I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Woohoo! Mine, all mine!!!
I'm first! I'm first! I'm comfortably well-upthread!
...
Impeach the Grant Melting Sapsucker, Delay!
I think Atrios is a total sellout with all these open threads. I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to post in them.
Articulate America: AhhhhhhhhhhWAhhhhhh.
Bush answering questions: AhhhhhhhWahhhhhh
George W. Bush: Worst. President. Ever.
Thersites: I will not ahhhhhhhhwahhhhhhh.
Eleventeenth!
Impeach the Grant Melting Sapsucker, Delay!
I believe the full scientific name is Yellow-Bellied Grant Melting Sapsucker, Elaine.
I'm one better, Ripley, I'm ahhhhhhhwahhhhhh!
So there.
Sue meeeeeee.
Na ga Ahhhhhhwaaaaaahhhhh.
(maybe she's was trying to say something about drilling in the Arctic?)
"Woohoo! Mine, all mine!!!"
Eli
If NTodd sees that, he's gonna get all pissy.
I feel like in Monty Python's Holy Grail, the cave scene where they read on the wall..."Arghhhhhhwahhhhhhh" and then argue about the pronounciation.
Rejoice, Dear Hearts! The thread is open before us.
-
Some of you just need to grow up and be mature like me.
(maybe she's was trying to say something about drilling in the Arctic?)
Eli |
Glad to see she's kept up on the news.
Maybe today is talk like a pirate day.
Arghhhhhhwahhhhh.
Or talk like a parrot day. About the same, I suppose.
Thers, you blog whore!
Fortunately, I've posted my own Open Thread to counter those amongst you who would cast aspersions upon Atrios for his lively and entertaining open threads. Who are you to tell Atrios to post a thread devoted to debate on open threads?
I will not ahhhhhhhhwahhhhhhh.
You will never see me post in an Eschaton open thread! This I swear!
Woohoo! Mine, all mine!!!
Tiny Eli, dancing around enormous pearl.
Worst. President. Ever.
Indeed!
Chris, I may be an old fart, but I still am not a yellowbellied grant melting sapsucker.
This is a good thing, as Martha would put it.
Worst.Ahhhhhhwaaaaaahhhhh.Ever
Arghhhhhhwahhhhh.
You should have seen an MSNBC reporter doing the reposrt on this. He was trying to say it as she would have. It was so fucking funny, just demented.
No, no, no, no. 'Oooooooh', in surprise and alarm.
Fuck ahhhhwaahhhhh.
I keep having this picture in my head that big oil and the GOP have bit off more than they can chew. They begin drilling big time in the ANWR and a few months later the entire continent sinks. Then we have no jobs, no savings, no retirement, no medical, no rights and to top it off we all have wet socks.
I can take no more of this. I pass the baton on to the rest of you for the night. I'm sure I'll have enough rest by the time Hal Turner is arrested or his manhunt has begun.
You should have seen an MSNBC reporter doing the reposrt on this. He was trying to say it as she would have. It was so fucking funny, just demented.
scout prime
Was it that Kerry Sanders nitwit? It sounds like something he would feel compelled to do on camera.
Woohoo! Mine, all mine!!!
yesssss precioucssssss all mine yessssss not the tricksy wingnutsess.
Night, Seebach!
Somewhere on the other side of the wall is poor Terri screaming with horror because she has seen the videos of her on TV.
Noooooo!
This is like a horror movie. "That can't be meeeee! Ew. Gag me with a spoon! Nooo!"
"Ahhhhhhwaaaaaahhhhh"
I take it I missed something again.
But... first...
"The International Energy Agency is to propose drastic cutbacks in car use to halt continuing oil-supply problems. Those cutbacks include anything from car-pooling to outright police-enforced driving bans for citizens.
Fuel "emergency supply disruptions and price shocks" - in other words, shortages - could be met by governments. Not only can governments save fuel by implementing some of the measures suggested, but in doing so they can also shortcut market economics."
"The report goes on to suggest a whole series of measures that could be used to cut back on fuel consumption. They are cutting public-transport costs by a certain amount to increase its usage while simultaneously dissuading car use.
Then more radically the idea of going further and cutting public-transport costs by 100%, making them free to use. Car-pooling, telecommuting and even corrections to tyre pressures are also suggested.
But the most hardline emergency proposals come in the form of drastic speed restrictions and compulsory driving bans. Bans could be one day in every 10 (10%) or more stringently on cars with odd or even number plates. They would be banned from the roads on corresponding odd or even days of the month (50%)."
Vas Deferens
I'm not sure. He was bald, glasses I think, late 40'ish???
EkCenTrik--makes you wonder why the BP/Amoco explosion has gotten so little airplay.
And the wet socks thing. Ick. I can't handle wet socks. Ever.
The price of grandstanding might be getting tarred with blame as the last person to let down the politically- manipulated- until- they- went- insane parents.
Daddy Schindler (according to CNN): "[Bush] has put Terri through a week of hell and our family through a week of hell by not acting. He has to come up to the plate."
140,000 soldiers in Iraq could have told them that there is a big difference between coming up to the plate and photo-ops.
I'm not sure. He was bald, glasses I think, late 40'ish???
scout prime
wait a minute.....
It is amusing how the GOP leaders do sound an awful lot like Gollum. "I will not negotiate/argue with myself" Bush keeps saying.
"Yes, we's hates this, we's do".
You should have seen an MSNBC reporter doing the reposrt on this. He was trying to say it as she would have.
scout prime, no, please.
EkCenTrik--makes you wonder why the BP/Amoco explosion has gotten so little airplay.
And the wet socks thing. Ick. I can't handle wet socks. Ever.
There was a wet socks explosion?
(Sallyh: Wet Socks Mommie Dearest)
EkCenTrik--makes you wonder why the BP/Amoco explosion has gotten so little airplay.
I don't wonder for a minute.
Well is the fact refineries have not really been developed an expanded in the last several years still a valid concept in the shortage situation?
Sarah Deere
YES please. He sounded so stupid.
Putting people through hell is a Bush family tradition. It is the only talent they have.
And the wet socks thing. Ick. I can't handle wet socks. Ever.
Especially when they are wet from something other than water.
Via Josh Marshall, from the Miami Herald:
Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.
Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called "a showdown."
In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.
"We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in," said a source with the local police.
"The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene," said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. "When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off."
Can you believe this shit?
140,000 soldiers in Iraq could have told them that there is a big difference between coming up to the plate and photo-ops.
Oh, Jeebus Christ cooking ramen on a hot plate that's good! rofl
Huey, that was fuckin priceless, man.
(Sallyh: Wet Socks Mommie Dearest)
Eli--nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! No wet socks!!!
I love the Arcata EYE police log column.
And you will too.
Guaranteed! 100% Schavio-free!
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called "a showdown."
The fuck?
jesus land:
Just out from the Miami Herald ...
Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.
...
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called "a showdown."
In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.
http://
www.talkingpointsmemo.com...3_20.php#005249
Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Is that like the State Police? Straight from Jebby? If so, he got kicked in the potatoes *again* tonight!
Whats the definition of an ultra conservative?
Answer: Braindead.
Man, you can buy ANYTHING on eBay!
Genuine unaltered screencap of http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20050318/NEWS/503180384/1016/FEATURES07 (found via Google News)
You might have to reload the Times-Argus page a few times to bring up the ad seen in the screencap.
the first bill sent to the House is DOA.
I will not negotiate with myself.
not gonna do it.
precious.
The Arcata eye is fantastic.
Well is the fact refineries have not really been developed an expanded in the last several years still a valid concept in the shortage situation?
The problem lies more in that most of our refineries were built between about 1950-1965 (or there abouts), and expected to have a life of 30-40 years.
Instead, we are pushing refineries beyond there life expectancy which reguires continuous OSHA (and other) testing for corosion, etc.
In effect, our refineries right now are like driving volvo's with 300k miles. Well built, but how frigg'n long can you expect something to last?
Hahaha News: CNN
Exhibit showcases art of medical quackery
Friday, March 25, 2005 Posted: 9:36 AM EST (1436 GMT)
A Maxfield Parrish poster from the late 1800s for No-To-Bac anti-tobacco gum is among the works on exhibit.
PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- For hundreds of years, the flamboyant sellers of patent medicines relied not only on exorbitant claims and theatrical presentations to push their panaceas, but also employed accomplished artists to create advertisements for their too-good-to-be-true elixirs and gadgets.
"Quack, Quack, Quack," a new exhibit at the Philadelphia Museum of Art, showcases the prints, posters and pamphlets that guaranteed everything from "animal magnetism" to cures for "the indiscretions of youth" -- and were the precursors of today's spam e-mails and late-night infomercials that also promise the moon but rarely deliver.
"Quacks have been around forever and they're still with us," said William H. Helfand, a longtime collector of medical art and ephemera who organized the show and wrote the accompanying catalog.
It might be hard to understand how anyone would believe some of the claims -- a magnetic wafer that cures sterility? -- or who would think it was beneficial to have "sweet blood." But though the ads might induce some self-satisfied laughter at the naivete of our forebears, the sales of diet pills and no-effort exercise contraptions show we still aren't immune to the charms of magic potions.
"As much as I can laugh up my sleeve when I look at these, I'm not entirely skeptical either; I still think things go better with Coke, though it's probably just the caffeine," said curator John Ittman. "Things that say they'll make us feel better or look better have a strong appeal."
Obviously, the writer hasn't seen any recent TV commercials pushing miracle cures that make you throw up and get covered with boils and turns your eyes red....
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called "a showdown."
And they accuse us of being "un-American"?
Assholes.
"Putting people through hell is a Bush family tradition. It is the only talent they have."
Elaine Supkis
Seriously, what have the Bushes ever done? No intellectual tradition. No scientists. No writers. No philosophers. No physicians. No engineers. None of them produce a single thing of value. All they do is steal money and shuffle it around. And while they do it, they harm everyone who touches them.
The Rethugs in Congress are still in shock that the country bitch slapped them for getting involved in this freak show at all.
Ah, to be a cop in a nice, quiet FL town. Where the good folks go about their business every day and there's no crime. A delightful haven, far removed from the hustle and bustle of Big City America.
"So, Ang... anything happenin today?"
"No, Barn... just another beautiful day in our beautiful town. Oh, there's a tour bus comin by round 3. Looks harmless"
"I'll keep an eye on 'em, Ang... you know, give em directions to Mavis' diner and what have ya"
FDLE
not really the Staties, (that would be the FHP, or the Capitol Police) but more like the State FBI. sort of.
They aren't building new refineries because they know they will be useless in less than twenty years.
Take what you will in Dylan's words from 39 yrs ago:
The peddler now speaks to the countess who's pretending to care for him
Sayin', "Name me someone that's not a parasite and I'll go out and say a prayer for him"
But like Louise always says
"Ya can't look at much, can ya man?"
As she, herself, prepares for him
And Madonna, she still has not showed
We see this empty cage now corrode
Where her cape of the stage once had flowed
The fiddler, he now steps to the road
He writes ev'rything's been returned which was owed
On the back of the fish truck that loads
While my conscience explodes
The harmonicas play the skeleton keys and the rain
And these visions of Johanna are now all that remain
Meant something to me tonight.
The Schindlers are really messed up and Delay, Frist, felon Randall Terry and others are responsible. The woman's dad keeps going out to t.v. cameras to howl about Jeb Bush and judges and etc. He should be at his daughter's side, saying goodbye, holding her hand, etc.
The wingnuts have gotten him so worked up he cannot do the grieving he needs to do. They are preying on this needy, sad couple.
First! Woo hoo!
クソ！
Sally, you left out "bankrupt everyone who trusts them".
anyone else notice the absence of brownshirts tonight? Good Friday!
I blame jeb!
日本語ができるの？？すげぃな～
This FDLE thing was more elegant in the original German. Schutzstaffel or something like that. Wore black, to distinguish themselves from the brown shirts.
Ol Jebbie was fixin to have him a Night of the Long Knives, as required by the Culture of Life.
Anymouse, first what?
I did, Elaine. Mea maxima culpa. An important point.
Speaking of refinery explosions...
There was an article on CNN yesterday, I think, that said 2 "groups" had claimed responsibility but the FBI found "not evidence of foul play."
I wonder what the insurance people will find...
You should have seen an MSNBC reporter doing the reposrt on this. He was trying to say it as she would have. It was so fucking funny, just demented.
I believe it was Pete Williams. I just couldn't believe they did the segment straight faces.
It reminded me of Dory talking like a whale from Finding Nemo.
Insane beyond belief.
Hueyplong, it is"Night of the 8" Cuts"
Fortunately, I've posted my own Open Thread to counter those amongst you who would cast aspersions upon Atrios for his lively and entertaining open threads.
I myself have pioneered the tradition of closed threds, where NONE are allowed to post. Bwahahaha.
You should have seen an MSNBC reporter doing the reposrt on this. He was trying to say it as she would have. It was so fucking funny, just demented.
Please, Mr. Stewart, flame it at high heat for posterity.
They aren't building new refineries because they know they will be useless in less than twenty years.
Elaine Supkis
Sounds to me as though you might be ascribing to capitalists a level of foresight (i.e. beyond immediate profit) that may rather exceed the reality.
fourlegsgood
You saw it too???
That was just too much. I hope Jon Stewart gets it.
real shame all this schiavo stuff has to happen during a full moon. just exacerbates it.
Coming in November 2006: The Bush Administration Series Finale. Be there!
Scarborough is SUCH a prick.
Elaine reminds us that when people say there are no winners in this travesty, they're wrong. Somewhere, right now, JimmyJeff is saddling up a hard right Republican in a DC townhouse, finally out of the spotlight and making a living again.
have already promised self: tomorrrow, do nothing but sit on front porch in comfy clothes (alas, no comfy chair), smoke, possibly drink, feed birds and squirrels, and eschew human beans and their endless travails.
Sirius Radio - Hair Nation
Kiss - Shout It Out Loud
into
Red Rider - Lunatic Fringe
The message is a little confusing, yet I feel called to action.
Another victim in all this horseshit are the hospice workers. They perform a thankless service, often with grace and compassion.
Mrs. Ibrahim--do you notice that we don't have to keep spraying the Glade in here to cover up the displeasing aroma? It's been positively delightful.
I just finished baking some chocolate cake (Mr. Delilah Aerosol Chicken respectfully requested).
The really sad point to all this is people still think it is about whether Terri lives or dies. Unless they are intimately attached to her plight, none of us, and by that I mean the public have a say. It is one of those incredibly personal moments in a life that all visitors are not welcome. But here we are, she is the topic of almost any conversation, people relate how they feel, what they have gone through and eventually decide if she should live or die. The folks in D.C. are simple bastards, cold, cynical or totally insane. We are once again, as a public pitted one against the other over something that is never ours to argue. And the media, if things settle down and a balance is struck in the public once again, I feel need to be called to task for enabling what amounts to mass hysteria. They are no longer news organizations as I think Kos commented on in a recent post, they are simply marketing groups for their own bottom line. They above our legislators have failed the public trust. I really want to see the day when some of our choice personalities are called to task and put on display.
Thers, you bastardero! Not only have you posted your Closed Thread thread, you've wedged a Canadian quarter into the Comment slot.
I curse your Closed Thread. And may well counter your Closed Thread with a "posting an open thread is hard...it's hard work" Open Thread.
Progressive religious leaders provide the smack down:
Ignoring or rejecting so many other humanitarian pleas, when our legislators take time off from cutting the budget to promote a feeding law designed to address the plight of a single human being, they turn President Bush's 'culture of life' into a parody."
-- The Rev. Dr. Forrest Church, All Souls Unitarian Church
"If we really cared about defending human life, we would immediately fund a national health insurance program to protect the 18,000 Americans who die every year for lack of health care."
-- Rabbi Steven B. Jacobs, Kol Tikvah Congregation
"Would this same Congress return for a special session to appropriate the billions of dollars that we've already promised to AIDS victims to ensure that they live?
-- Sister Maureen Fiedler
http://story.news.yahoo.com/
news...avo_case126_xml
Bwahahaha news:
Schiavo Case Tests Priorities Of GOP
By Shailagh Murray and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, March 26, 2005; Page A01
A week after their unprecedented intervention in the Terri Schiavo case, Republican congressional leaders find themselves in a moral and political thicket, having advanced the cause as a right-to-life issue -- only to confront polls showing that the public does not see it that way.
"How deep is this Congress going to reach into the personal lives of each and every one of us?" asked Rep. Christopher Shays (Conn.), one of only five Republicans in the House to vote against the Schiavo bill.
Republican lawmakers and others engaged in the debate say an internal party dispute over the Schiavo case has ruptured, at least temporarily, the uneasy alliance between economic and social conservatives that twice helped President Bush get elected.
"Advocates of using federal power to keep this woman alive need to seriously study the polling data that's come out on this," said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, who has been talking to both social and economic conservatives about the fallout. "I think that a lot of conservative leaders assumed there was broader support for saying that they wanted to have the federal government save this woman's life."
The counter revolution starts!
I really want to see the day when some of our choice personalities are called to task and put on display.
EkCenTriK
That is the largest of all the infected pustules we need to lance.
Meanwhile CNN International is doing thoughtful analysis on the effects of the Kyrgystan revolution on the region.
What must the world think of us???
Bobby Schindler, Terri's brother, is on Scarborough (the 1:00 AM rerun) is implying that Michael is somehow responsable for her heart attack.
The fracas over congressional involvement has taken many GOP lawmakers by surprise. Most knew little about the case and were acting at the direction of their leaders, who armed them with the simple argument that they just wanted to give Schiavo a final chance, and that they wanted to err on the side of life. But because of the rush to act and the insistent approach of the leadership, Republicans had no debate about whether their vote could be seen as federal intrusion in a family matter, or as a violation of the separation of powers between the judicial and legislative branches. Both issues are concerns of many voters responding to polls, and of some legislators themselves.
Republican leaders knew from the outset they were entering new and possibly rocky terrain. DeLay said that he told Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) two weeks ago, "We have to do something for Terri Schiavo," but that the chairman was reluctant because, as DeLay recounted, "we don't have a precedent for doing private bills in these matters, and he didn't want to violate that precedent."
The majority leader's response to Sensenbrenner: "Be creative."
One senior GOP lawmaker involved in the negotiations, who did not want to speak for the record, said that DeLay, who is fighting ethics charges on several fronts, faced considerable pressure from Christian conservative groups to respond to pleas by the parents of the brain-damaged woman to intervene before her husband, Michael Schiavo, removed the feeding tube that kept her alive. The lawmaker said that DeLay "wanted to follow through" but added that many House Republicans were dubious and suspected that the leader's ethics problems were a motivating factor.
I just finished baking some chocolate cake (Mr. Delilah Aerosol Chicken respectfully requested).
Argh!
Cannot wait to get back into my house, with the new stove and oven and make my perfect baklava (which got me hired on as the baker at the local Middle Eastern restaurant)... It's been so long!
Frustration.
More hahahaha....talk about a bunch of ahhhhwahhhh dumbbells.
Republican concerns grew, the senior House GOP lawmaker said, as a succession of federal judges, some of them conservative appointees, rejected Congress's entreaty. "A lot of members are saying, 'Why did you put us through this?' " said the lawmaker, who agreed to recount the events on the condition that he not be named.
There has been similar grumbling in the Senate, where the Schiavo effort was led by Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), a former transplant surgeon who is retiring in 2006, presumably to run for president; Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), a conservative Catholic who also may harbor presidential ambitions; and freshman Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.).
Aides to other Republican senators said there was little discussion of the matter outside that group. "It definitely would have gone down differently had it actually been considered," a senior aide to a moderate Republican senator said.
whine snivel whine..."we are sinking in the polllllls!"
Elaine reminds us that when people say there are no winners in this travesty, they're wrong.
Elaine is keeping a distance from the truth of the matter. IOW's she is full of crap. In all honesty, the Shiavos have prevailed. The key word being honesty.
Found at Kos, but direct to Steve laying some smack down, good smack...
Goodnite moonbats.
Don't wanna be an American idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new media.
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mindf**k America.
- Green Day
"Most knew little about the case and were acting at the direction of their leaders, who armed them with the simple argument"
That says much.
That reminds me, I do have to get the new Green Day album Real Soon Now!
In all honesty, the Shiavos have prevailed. The key word being honesty.
brickbat
Michael and Terri Schiavo.
Huh?
And now Randall Terry is on screen.
Wow! Scarborough is just Pricks on Parade tonight!
Waiting for the Hitchens smackdown later on. If it's good enough, I might even send a bottle of decent scotch to Hitchens.
Hadenough--nice to hear from people who truly do the work of God.
That reminds me, I do have to get the new Green Day album Real Soon Now!
It is excellent. Enjoy.
I think that a lot of conservative leaders assumed there was broader support for
Yeah because everyone beleived the bogus exit polling of voters saying they based vote on moral values.
Well guess what Washington most of america is not Xian nutjobs.
If that realization comes out of this mess then something good has happened.
English schools:
Nearly half of teachers have suffered from mental illness
By Richard Garner, Education Editor
23 March 2005
Nearly half of the country's secondary school teachers have suffered mental health problems due to worsening pupil behaviour, a survey has revealed.
The research, by the Association of Teachers and Lecturers, on 300 secondary school teachers, showed that abuse at the hands of pupils had left 46 per cent taking antidepressants or facing long lay-offs from school through stress.
One teacher told researchers he had been assaulted 10 times during 18 years in the profession and had suffered two breakdowns. He said he had been on antidepressants for more than three years as a result.
The survey also revealed that 72 per cent of teachers had considered quitting their jobs because they were worn out by some pupils' persistent disruptive behaviour, such as threats, swearing, locking teachers out of classrooms, vandalising school property, letting down car tyres, stealing keys, throwing eggs at staff and spitting at them. One in seven (14 per cent) said they had suffered actually bodily harm from pupils.
However, in many of the cases, the school had turned a blind eye to abuse and failed to exclude the pupils involved.
Dear Lord! Where the hell is the modern day Martin Luther King, or even half a King.
Stop posting like 25 paragraphs from the articles you don't know how to link to.
It is amusing that the GOP "lawmakers" (sic) all thought the "talking points" were more than just parrot talk!
When caught, they all fall back on the "I don't know anything which is why I interfered" routine.
Old Hat, sorry about you being cranky.
Bed time always fixes even the biggest annoyances.
Good question - WHERE THE FUCK IS GEORGE BUSH?
George, where are you? The NATION NEEDS YOU!!!!
Fuck you, fuck De Lay, fuck Frist... and fuck you pissant hellmutts that won't leave people alone to let then live and die on their own terms. fuck you with hot death.....
Feed a hungry child, shelter a homeless person, treat a sick person, help a person with a mental disorder, give a vet some help...
No? Fuck you to hell and back, you fucking sellout whores... God will piss on your souls when you die.
End rant
chris/tx>> Thanks for the link. One choice quote:
Oh yeah, someone raised this point and it needs to be repeated. When are the Schindlers going to ask people to behave peacefully? When are they going to ask no one to use violence?
More to the point, when will Jeb or Dubya speak out against violent reprisal?
We have so much more of this to go through, I'm afraid.
Evil white men and women - w/apologies to decent white men and women everywhere - will do whatever they can to impose on the rest of us.
Goddess, we have earned your antipathy. We will all pay for the transgressions of the few because we have not stopped them, I'm afraid.
Let's assume this ends as it must. Michael Schiavos has a private service for his wife.
Meanwhile, Randall Terry & Co. stage some giant public "funeral" for the "murdered" Terri. They ask both Bushes to attend.
Let's say Chimpy is dumb enough to go.
I can think of about 2000 sets of parents who would wonder why he never attended any of their sons' or daughters' funerals, you know, the ones in which someone gets handed a crisply folded flag.
On open threads, what are the rules? Anyone? Want rules?
Want thread nannying? I am very good at that. We can all vote on what the rules will be and then ruthlessly enforce the rules.
Ahem.
Stop posting like 25 paragraphs from the articles you don't know how to link to.
Old Hat
Stop using the indicative!
/irony
Bed time always fixes even the biggest annoyances.
Figure out how to post links so everyone can see the super obvious, super not-obscure NYT and WaPo Page A1 articles you're posting in their entirety without having to scroll for five minutes.
Bush laughs at funerals. He even couldn't pull a sober face during the 9/11 funerals at the National Cathedral.
From what I am listening to Randall talking about is basically a premise to destroy the judiciary.
Hmm, I wonder, if he were in a point of litigation in his personal life and was awarded a large sum of money and if his opponent said what he said about the judiciary, would he be as ready to defend his opponent's "rights"
Old Hat, hate to be so obvious, but did you notice people took various parts of what I posted and commented on it.
Going to the article to do this is harder than lifting from the forums which is why I do what I do. If you hate it, sorry. Start your own blog.
"Oh yeah, someone raised this point and it needs to be repeated. When are the Schindlers going to ask people to behave peacefully? When are they going to ask no one to use violence?
More to the point, when will Jeb or Dubya speak out against violent reprisal?"
Well, to expect that, you have to assume they don't want to see violence...
By the way, Old Hat's Authentic Indian Name is:
Richard Slushy Fiddlehead
ripley, yes.
At open comment blogs, it is pretty free wheeling. I know that one day in the past, I irritated Old Hat who has been rather sour about my existence ever since.
This is so sorrowful, it makes me weep and wail and tear my hair.
BUT.....ain't gonna change anything unless all the posters here vote me down. Then I go away.
whoo hoo.
Andrew - Another choice quote from Gilliards post:
But Bush has never spread political risk. He has always heaped it on and expected to be rewarded in the end. There has never been a downside for this. But there is now. If Judge Greer or Michael Schiavo is harmed in any way, that turd is going to land right on the doors of the White House and Congress. They unleashed this madness and the idea that they could escape it is unlikely.
Vas Deferense,
Ya just gotta love the whole "Turn about is fair play" meme.
These A-holes need to admit that they have lost the battle. And the war.
read earlier posts. oh, please don't demean birds by linking them w/the Cockroach Delay (and here I demean the cockroach).....
This fuckstick Scarborough needs to have his dead Congressional aide case reopened yesterday. I can't *stand* his oily perversion of the facts dribbled so santimoniously from than alien slot under those dead insect eyes of his.
When will Jeb use the "Nuclear" option and actually impregnate Terri Schiavo?
Posted on Fri, Mar. 25, 2005
Fla. officials' attempt, fail to seize Schiavo
By Carol Marbin Miller
Knight Ridder Newspapers
MIAMI - Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo wasn't to be removed from her hospice, a team of Florida law enforcement agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted - but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Miami Herald has learned.
Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.
For a brief period, local police, who have officers around the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called a showdown.
In the end, the state agents and the Department of Children and Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.
"We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in," said a source with the local police.
"The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene," said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. "When the Sheriff's Department, and our department, told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off."
The incident, known only to a few, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in state law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.
Participants in the high-stakes test of wills, who spoke with The Miami Herald on the condition of anonymity, said they believed the standoff could ultimately have led to a constitutional crisis - and a confrontation between dueling lawmen.
Now Sarah, the cockroach is a noble creature, willing to live among us, the giants and feed off the scraps we leave.
Wait, nevermind, that comparison was too close wasn't it.
I would like to say that I vote for no censorship on this blog. I'm willing to be irritated as opposed to dealing with censorship.
On Scarry county: a protester is going on her 9th day without food so she could identify with Terri Schiavo.
You saw it too???
I did. I wonder if a producer made him do it. He looked distinctly uncomfortable.
Elaine, I hate it too. Post a link and a graph or two, that's enough. I promise we'll go read the articles.
Should I be surprised if Pinellas Park goes up in flames?
These protestors are volatile
Going to the article to do this is harder than lifting from the forums which is why I do what I do.
Yes, it's so very, very time consuming to "point" and "click."
If you hate it, sorry. Start your own blog.
Awww, snap!
Here is how to post a link. Swap { and } for < and >.
{a href="http://tinyurl.com/5c4v3"}Voila.{/a}
Voila.
Participants in the high-stakes test of wills
And that's what it boils down to... who wins...
Terri Schiavo has become a damned rawhide that two dogs fight over.
Ba'al rest her soul, I hope she's dead inside. Because these people are raping her - body, heart and soul...not to mention her memory oin this earth.
Yes, it's so very, very time consuming to "point" and "click."
Aren't you the very one who complained about the laborious process of having to scroll past four or five paragraphs of text?
Introspect, my friend.
Right Ripley
I bet she would be mortified by what is happening.
Fuck off, Elaine.
You are hanging around here simply to to have your spew endlessly debated and disected. Get a grip. You are too self absorbed.
Who's going to be the one in that party who finally decides they're all better off without Tom DeLay, and just pitches his pasty venal ass over the cliff?
Fuck off, Elaine.
No need to be rude, Peter Dappled Hamstring.
EkCenTriK,
as I said, I demean the cockroach.
Delay is human, the most horrible of all, apparently, when you look at what we've done and continue to do.
Oh, heavens to murgatroid, WTF is the matter w/us....
Time to Die Bitch...Time to Die.
As if the circumstances surrounding Terri Schiavo could not get any more suspicious, the Center for Reclaiming America has uncovered evidence that Pinellas-Pasco County Circuit Judge George W. Greer accepted a campaign contribution from the law firm of Michael Schiavo’s attorney only one day after "Terri’s Law” was declared unconstitutional by a Pinellas county court.
This appears to establish a clear conflict of interest between Judge Greer and the best interests of Terri Schiavo.
Judge Greer has been responsible for establishing "the facts” in the case of Terri Schiavo. Sadly, he has dismissed or ignored testimony from 33 physicians (15 neurologists) who are willing to testify that Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state and can improve, he has refused to allow the Florida Department of Children and Families to conduct a criminal investigation of Michael Schiavo, he has refused to honor a subpoena from the U.S. Congress, and he has blocked virtually all efforts from the Schindler family to save the life of their daughter.
It must be getting late. What strikes me now is that this person was in fact a person who lived a life, and now the entire country knows her only as a gaping human-like thing being videotaped making reflexive movements like some kind of grotesque perversion of Weekend At Bernie's.
Isn't this what should truly be called "pornography?"
As soon as a week from now, people will recoil at the mere thought of this circus.
Maybe I need a shower before bed.
I'm not afraid to die, I just don't want to suffer.
But if I were in that state, I'd pull the Patrick Swayze "push a penny around" thing and I'd come back and cockpunch De Lay and Frist.
And all those sanctimonius fuckers on cable TV.
And I'll bet Jeebus would hold my spot in line while I did it.
Very bad ChakaKhan, I like it.
pjb, see today's Miami Herald op-ed on Schiavo. They have nothing good to say about the way it has been handled.
Hahahahaha.
Wowie! OK, old guard, how many postings tonight were people putting up text from articles?
Eh? Try counting them. We have other examples here on this thread.
Ahem.
IF YOU HATE THIS get Atrios to post a rule about it. Then enforce it. I really don't care if some of you hate me, plenty of people hate things, there is much to hate in the universe.
Hate is healthy, ask Big Brother!
You are hanging around here simply to to have your spew endlessly debated and disected. Get a grip. You are too self absorbed.
She repeats herself a dozen times in a thread until someone pays attention to her.
She and Incognito are easily Most Irritating in the Non Troll Category.
Wow! Hitchens bitchslapped Scarborough up one side and down the other!
Can't wait until after the break!
Go Hitch!
She repeats herself a dozen times in a thread until someone pays attention to her.
What was that again, Richard Slushy Fiddlehead?
I kid!
Dumb thing to argue about, kids. Trust me on this.
And good morning, rob.
Just finished watching Now, which I fell off of once Moyers retired. It was quite good tonight, however.
Warren on the Bankruptcy legislation. Great footage of Durbin asking, during the hearing, where the banking and CC industry were? Apparently, having spent 100 million of campaign contributions, they didn't have enough left for cab fare.
There was a Harvard economist who's written about Galbraith too. Very interesting.
Just finished watching Now, which I fell off of once Moyers retired. It was quite good tonight, however.
Warren on the Bankruptcy legislation. Great footage of Durbin asking, during the hearing, where the banking and CC industry were? Apparently, having spent 100 million of campaign contributions, they didn't have enough left for cab fare.
There was a Harvard economist who's written about Galbraith too. Very interesting.
Old Hat is now Old Fart? Wow.
Fucking namestealing piece of shit posts bullshit with no understanding of the world outside its tiny, simple mind.
And all those sanctimonius fuckers on cable TV.
You just know when someone goes and gets violent in this circus....these sanctimonious fuckers" will be looking around at everyone but themselves for someone to blame. And wringing their hands say, "How could this have happened".
But it will give them a hot story for a week.
The scum
" Hitchens bitchslapped Scarborough"
Damn, the good stuff always happens after I step away or turn off the tube.
A history: some time ago, I posted something pretty innoculous (cause I joke a lot) that irritated Old Hat.
Since that day, he has been irritated. I suppose he wants to run me off the forums by being nasty.
Midnight is a great time for food fights, right, Oldie?
Dumb thing to argue about, kids. Trust me on this.
Yeah, well, Rorty, Wittgenstein, and Feyerabend actually spent an entire weekend conference in Barbados debating the proper ettiquette for posting excerpts in comments threads.
Anyway, good night and good bye, sorry to joke or post information.
Alas, poor yorick, I didn't know ye at all.
Lay off Elaine. She's OK.
She spews a fine rant, and this here SubGenius appreciates a fellow practicioner of the art of the rant.
I usually scroll past enormous text posts (no offense, Elaine), esp if it's italicized.
I've read Elaine's original comments and I respect her as a commentor. She certainly brings more facts and leads to the discussions than I do. (they are facts, aren't they?) 
We all have our place here, being freethinkers, eh? Save your rage for BushCo, friends....
Elaine can be quite strident and even at times seemingly delusional, but to compare her with incogdrama isn't really fair.
We all have our moments.
Having said that, Elaine, the polite thing to do is to provide a paragraph and a link.
Geez, I almost sounded like Dr. Neal CLarke Warren for a second there.
OK, looks like I have to hit the web and find out how to get a bottle of single malt to Hitchens. He even got a pretty good cockpunch in on Buchannan.
None of us have to die. We can all live forever. It doesn't have to be this way. Terry doesn't have to die. God doesn't want any of us to die.
Elaine can be quite strident and even at times seemingly delusional, but to compare her with incogdrama isn't really fair.
I heard he's gay.
Geez, I almost sounded like Dr. Neal CLarke Warren for a second there.
gob Edwin Titanium Fireweed
Yes, but we all must trust the wisdom of one with such a potent Authentic Indian Name!
He even got a pretty good cockpunch in on Buchannan.
Chris Tucker
And looked a little waxed while doing it. I especially like the fact he slammed Scarface for quietly nodding to the Rethug and yelling over Hitch's every fourth word.
Hey Vicki, how about if we get Jeff Gannon to review a tape of Terri to see what he thinks about this vegetative state?
Oh, damn, he is so busy showing his ass on his web site he probably can't do it.
Since her parents claim she has been saying (just today) that she wants to live , Jeff could get her into the White House to ask the Prez some really soft questions.
Vicki for Chrissakes there is a fifteen year history of examinations, testing, reports, medical testimony and legal haggling.
I heard he's gay.
Old Hat
Not sure if he's gay, but he's *hella* anti-hetero.
No writers. No scientists. No engineers. No philosophers. For a moment there, I thought someone was talking about the Kennedys.
And even more anti-bi.
No writers. No scientists. No engineers. No philosophers. For a moment there, I thought someone was talking about the Kennedys.
Whitcomb
Except for that pesky Pulitzer Prize.
Hitchens has sucked bushco cock for far too long to send him a bottle of single malt for taking the correct side of one slam dunk dispute.
Send him booze when he's been doing it for longer than a week or two.
Next: whining about emoticons
(by the way, if you visit other forums, you will see pretty quickly that my style of posting is common, not rare. Unless this is now "the Freep Republic".)
I will end with this: every day, posters complain that Atrios puts in only links (which sometimes fail!) and no commentary or any explanation about what the link leads to...this abbreviated form can be irritating, but this is his blog, so I never said anything)
What some of us do here, is put up quotes (geeze all four or five paragraphs, the HORROR!) and often, other posters show relief and happiness for this action.
Some of you hate this! Wellllllll.....there are many things I dislike. Seldom do I whine about them.
God doesn't want any of us to die.
Well, he's sure doing a piss-poor job of stopping it from happening all the damn time, isn't he?
Hitchens has sucked bushco cock for far too long to send him a bottle of single malt for taking the correct side of one slam dunk dispute.
So with you on that, Fireweed.
Hitchens championed this idiotic war. He's gotta do a LOT more than this to work his way back to humanity, in my opinion.
Archangie, that ain't Vicki. It's that old fuckstick namestealing pusstain.
Breaking News! Local Police Force Jeb Bush To Back Down: Police Showdown Averted
americablog.blogspot.com
And will someone please turn off the fuckin Charles Krauthammer SuckBushCock machine?
Christ, what country does this guy think he lives in?!?
Programming note, on BookTV/c-span2:
On Saturday, March 26 at 3:30 pm EST
The Turbulent Decade: Confronting the Refugee Crises of the 1990s
Sadako Ogata, Gen. Wesley Clark, Dana Priest
Description: From the John W. Kluge Center at the Library of Congress, a panel discussion on the world refugee situation during the 1990s. The panel was held in conjunction with the release of former United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Sadako Ogata's new book, "The Turbulent Decade: Confronting the Refugee Crises of the 1990s." With Ms. Ogata on the panel is former Nato Supreme Allied Commander of Europe Gen. Wesley Clark. Gen. Clark worked closely with Ms. Ogata when both were high-ranking officials during the crisis in Kosovo in the early 1990s. The discussants also address the current global climate and the potential for future refugees. The panel is moderated by Washington Post staff writer Dana Priest.
Author Bio: Sadako Ogata was the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees from 1991 to 2000. Ms. Ogata currently serves as president of the Japan International Cooperation Agency in Tokyo.
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Clark shows what leadership could be.
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God doesn't want any of us to die.
Well, he's sure doing a piss-poor job of stopping it from happening all the damn time, isn't he?
The First Tenet of any religion that actually looks at the nature of this world is "God is One Lazy Ass Sumbitch!"
Send him booze when he's been doing it for longer than a week or two.
gob
Actually, he seems to speak much more sensibly when he's in his cups.
Terri Schiavo tried to say "I want to live" when her tube was removed. The motion said Schiavo was asked to repeat that phrase and responded: "AHHHHH" and "WAAAAAAA."
Heh.
Did you see the tape of the guy clapping two inches away from her eyes trying to get her to blink?
Just gotta laugh sometimes.
"God doesn't want any of us to die."
As my da used to say, Life: a condition with a mortality rate of exactly 100 percent.
Also, I am a fast typist.
This is a tool which I use, a lot. It gives some advantages to my posting since I can rattle on and on easily, it isn't hard to do, it is certainly more fun than being a secretary (yech) typing business letters.
If some posters hate to read text, we could petition Atrios for dual threads! One could be for goofy, short stuff (I do that pretty well) and the other for information and discussion.
Those here who want one sentence jokes will be happy and us fast typers can be happy, too. One wouldn't have to see the other in operation. Good solution?
Any takers?
I will be happy to e-mail Atrios and ask him if he wants the forums to be one liners only.
Night, all. I'm going to try something monumentally stupid tomorrow morning on my road bike.
Elaine, you might want to check my Open Thread, wherein I lambast those who lambast Atrios for his open threads.
Or some such thing....
Paul Wolfowitz is:
Mark Buttery Flea.
Just gotta laugh sometimes.
Old Hat
The election cycle and Nov. 2 was just the trailer. Now we're viewing the feature preesentation.
As my da used to say, Life: a condition with a mortality rate of exactly 100 percent.
Tell that to Drag Queen Jesus(TM)!
Vas, I'm a JFK fan and you're right on the Pulitzer--except that, for historical accuracy, let's remember that "Profiles in Courage" was ghosted by Ted Sorensen.
Sally, that's weird that you should type that. Are you Irish?
I ask because I was listening to Tonic tonite and they have a song, "Irish", the lyrics are "I said to my da"...
rorschach,
No shit. I don't mind a man's religion, but I gotta admit...the vast majority of it makes no sense to me. I once got thrown out of Sunday school for asking such a question, and when I was told it was "all a part of God's plan", I said, "Well, maybe he needs a new plan, because this one isn't working."
They didn't not appreciate my opinions on the matter.
And PS -
Life is a sexually transmitted disease
Whitcomb,
Well, let me ah, say, ah, this about that....
Ripley--I'm US born, but my parents are natives of Belfast, West Side, Short Strand.
Hitchens has sucked bushco cock for far too long to send him a bottle of single malt for taking the correct side of one slam dunk dispute.
'zactomundo. He buys into the neocon 'anti-Islamofascism' nonsense, and now only realises that the Jebo-fascists come with the deal? Fucking idiot.
Vas, you need to have more faith in the resiliency of the Great Silent Majority.
rorschach,
No shit. I don't mind a man's religion, but I gotta admit...the vast majority of it makes no sense to me. I once got thrown out of Sunday school for asking such a question, and when I was told it was "all a part of God's plan", I said, "Well, maybe he needs a new plan, because this one isn't working."
They didn't not appreciate my opinions on the matter.
Why doesn't that surprise me?
And: Good question. That whole "God's in His heaven, all's right with the world" and "Whatever is, is right," bullshit never satisfied me. Not a whit.
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease"
Ripley
My da would have appreciated that little addendum 
Pseudo:
the neocon 'anti-Islamofascism' nonsense
You know, you say that with such disdain, it's almost like you think you're right.
Who wants to bet on how long it takes for the Schindlers to come out with a book?
Terri Schiavo has become a national joke. Not the person, the cause. It's so sad to see her used in this way, don't you think?
Rory
You know, you say that with such disdain, it's almost like you think you're right.
Let's all agree to ignore Romeo Belgian Crab.
I don't mind a man's religion, but I gotta admit...the vast majority of it makes no sense to me...
Backslider
None of the literal fundie stuff makes sense. The Red Sea parting and Ark stuff, most of it really, were, to me, morality tales to get the heathen biotches in line and be productive citizens. A guy didn't *really* build a huge leaky raft and put the complete planetary zoo on it. Bartcop had a good riff when he said that you can tell some people that as the earth cools, it's tectonic plates shift, sometimes displacing enormous amount of water. To others, you have to say "Big Wave Hungry!".
"That whole "God's in His heaven, all's right with the world" and "Whatever is, is right," bullshit never satisfied me. Not a whit."
rorschach
My da got smacked--hard--in Catholic school in the late 30s for asking why if God was good, why were people getting shot at in his neighborhood?
Never could get it myself.
Well, Toby, look at the facts.
Muslims believe in their religion. Some of them get a little hyper and do bad things to "non-believers" because of their zeal.
Xtians believe in their religion. Some of them get a little hyper and do bad things to "non-beleivers" because of their zeal.
Who's right and who's wrong?
rorschach,
I don't mind "whatever is, is", but don't go saying it's all down to one entity and then say that entity's a kind, benevolent being worthy of worship and total subsurvience to. Or at least don't say it and expect me to swallow any of it. For what it's worth, I think the same thing of the concept that humanity is the "pinnacle of evolution" and that it's all here just for us, science or religion. Makes me wanna say, "You've never really noticed the number of cockroaches in this world, have you."
Who wants to bet on how long it takes for the Schindlers to come out with a book?
Old Hat
The Pope ain't waiting. He keeps telling anybody who will listen that he's ready for his big Jesus closeup.
Open threads hhmmph... I crave structure. It gives me a framework to channel my creativity.
Plus I don't want to read what you people are saying; no offense.
"Who wants to bet on how long it takes for the Schindlers to come out with a book?"
Old Hat
I'm guessing that someone in Hollyweird has already started negotiations for the made for TV movie.
My da got smacked--hard--in Catholic school in the late 30s for asking why if God was good, why were people getting shot at in his neighborhood?
Never could get it myself.
In Belfast? In the 30s? Who could doubt the benevolence of God as an Irishman in such circumstances?
/sarcasm
(PS "Easter 1916" is among my favorites (though Yeats himself is not), and I teach it whenever possible)
Peeperkorn: no one will make you read what we say. Ever. Or hold it against you that you won't.
Ripley:
Who's right and who's wrong?
The Christians are right because their genius comes from their natural inclination to protestantism. That is, Christians are more pluralistic and, therefore, more likely to respect minority rights. If a few of them are nutty, there are many more who are not.
And also Jesus was tolerant whereas Mohammad was not.
Surely there are some "Xians" in here who have nothing to do with the Randall Terrys of the world.
rorschach,
I don't mind "whatever is, is", but don't go saying it's all down to one entity and then say that entity's a kind, benevolent being worthy of worship and total subsurvience to. Or at least don't say it and expect me to swallow any of it. For what it's worth, I think the same thing of the concept that humanity is the "pinnacle of evolution" and that it's all here just for us, science or religion. Makes me wanna say, "You've never really noticed the number of cockroaches in this world, have you."
Damn right.
Whatever is, is. That's the place in which to reside, in my opinion. Hard place to get to. Harder to stay in.
And anyone who uses the phrase "pinnacle of evolution" doesn't have the first fucking clue about what evolution is all about. Because one thing it isn't, is teleological.
The Xtian history is not nearly as loving and "pro-life" as folks like to advertise.
Crusades? Fought over a hunk of rock... and saved at the last moment by the "discovery" of the "tip of the lance". Oh, surely Jeebus smiled on those Knights of Templar in their shiny double-wide tents....
Witches? Xitanity doesn't even mention witches but "burn the witch!" anyway... crazy womenfolk....
As to "whatever is, is", that goes back a wee further than Xtianity... Zen, Buhddism, Hinduism, Confucianism...
But yay, a popular myth that lets us hate people and tells us to prosper against the Creator's words but still get into happyland when we die!
more postings by these schiavo protesters, i guess they are unsuccessfully trying to impeach judges
http://www.geocities.com/Gordon_...don_Watts32313/
hmm link is actually
http://www.geocities.com/Gordon_
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gordon underscore watts
To seek for peace by way of war is the same as to seek for chastity by way of fornication.
- Anonymous theologian of the first century
Rory, you anti-Irish bastardero! Yeats and Guinness are the.. and U2... are the best things to ever... ok and James Joyce, picky... are the best... ok and George Bush... are the best things to ever come from Ireland !!!
"A natural inclination to protestantism" is not indicative of genius. For the record, the Catholic Church is the largest single denomination in the world.
Mohammed did preach tolerance. He also deeply respected the intellectual traditions. The Middle East never had an 'Enlightenment' because they never needed one.
There are indeed many, if not most, followers of Christ in the world who are doing what is prescribed--teaching, ministering to the sick, the poor, and the disenfranchised, feeding people, and caring for the least among us.
Protestant Christianity is a relatively modern tradition, and thus far, the impact that has been observed is significantly less than positive. The Catholic Church has much to answer for, and much has been done in its name to destroy civilization, as well as uplift it. I see no such parallels in some of the more radical Protestant divisions (Pentacostalism, Evangelism, Scots-Irish Presbyterianism, Calvinism, the Southern Baptist Convention all being notable examples).
To seek for peace by way of war is the same as to seek for chastity by way of fornication.
- Anonymous theologian of the first century
More succinctly: Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
i was watching msnbc earlier and I heard Michael Schiavo's lawyer say this latest appeal includes a reference to "a man with an electronic machine that can read thoughts then translate them to electronic speech"
...I'm totally not kidding either
What occurs to me concerning the question of Christianity versus Islam is one of age. Dig it, Islam is something like 1300 or so years old, right? What was happening in Christianity back in the 14th century: the Inquisition, the Crusades, massive papal corruption, all sorts of meddling with governments, shutting down "heretical" groups like the Knights Templar.
Maybe religions have adolescences and growing pains.
Ripley, GWB is not Irish. The family actually claims to have Plantagenet ancestors in their family tree, who were most assuredly English.
"But living, at its longest
Is just a short trip to the grave
So you might as well go ahead and enjoy
What you can along the way
'Cos if a doctor said you were going to die
Wouldn't you do as you pleased?
Well, listen here brother,
Life's just another
Terminal Disease"
Mike Cross, Uncle Josh
To seek for peace by way of war is the same as to seek for chastity by way of fornication.
A modern interpretation
EJ--was that John Edward? He made some claim to be able to connect with her soul.
The Christians are right because their genius comes from their natural inclination to protestantism. That is, Christians are more pluralistic and, therefore, more likely to respect minority rights.
You're kidding, right? Seriously...
Unless you actually believe what Jesus said (assuming he actually said it) and disregard the Old Testament.
Sallyh/Delilah Aerosol Chicken
I think I see someone making the mistake of engaging Petzold, a k a Romeo Belgian Crab.
Rorschach--my bad.
The Christians are right because their genius comes from their natural inclination to protestantism.
LOL!
Sally, I was kidding with the GWB, of course... the Irish have the fuckin balls to kick that pissmonkey out before he ever got started, I believe...
And they make Guinness....
a man with an electronic machine that can read thoughts then translate them to electronic speech
That machine is real.
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement--the same fine folks who tried to intimidate Black Floridians into not voting.
Rorschach--my bad.
Sallyh/Delilah Aerosol Chicken
I'm not one to scold. I'm just warning you that you'll get nowhere.
So says Wallace Trivial Chocolate.
Now I've got it straight:
Christopher Hitchens "sucks cock" because he supports the war in Iraq.
Charles Krauthammer sucks "Bushcock," if I recall correctly, because he had the audacity to write a column arguing to put the feeding tube back in Terri Schiavo. Did it occur to any "wise man" here that Krauthammer, because he's a physician who's in a wheelchair, might not be so quick to pull the plug on Terri Schiavo?
Maybe he thinks, Jesus!, the bastards will come after me some day if I fall in a bad way, or if the nurse doesn't like the results of my bedpan, or if I start costing my family or the government too much $$$ to stay alive.
You don't have to agree with Hitchens on Irag or Krauthammer on Schiavo. That's not the point. You don't have to be a Tom Delay clone or buy into "Dr." Bill Frist's diagnosis of Schiavo by video.
Here's the point:
Can someone here post anything longer than 20 words--that is, besides newpspaper articles? Does anyone here actually debate anything? And maybe, just for variety's sake if no other reason, could we try using "fuck" and "asshole" maybe every 10th word instead of every fifth?
A modest proposal, I suggest.
NTodd--I baked chocolate cake tonight...homemade (Mr. Delilah Aerosol chicken respectfully requested).
a man with an electronic machine that can read thoughts then translate them to electronic speech
That machine is real.
Whitcomb--this isn't a classroom. It's more like a bar.
Yes, there's also a machine that reads my cock's thoughts and then attracts hot, sexy, single women to me.
Well, it's in the test phase right now. But the government thanks you for your tax dollars.
And maybe, just for variety's sake if no other reason, could we try using "fuck" and "asshole" maybe every 10th word instead of every fifth?
Who the fuck are you? Clay Aiken?
I'm so sick of the loony fundies turning every issue into a wedge issue and us at each other's throats. I didn't want to know about Terri Schiavo. That was a family matter and none of my business. Now I know all about her and her condition. At least now Americans can see what's going on with the religious whackjobs. They've been operating under the radar of most Americans since the beginning. That's how they got so powerful.
...could we try using "fuck" and "asshole" maybe every 10th word instead of every fifth?
Fuck you, you cocksucker.
Whitcomb--
And while complaining about the length of posts, you managed to post a very long post without making a single point, other than that you don't like short posts.
Rather a waste.
Clay Aiken...that's funny.
Waaah! I can't find sober, rational debate at a blog comment section in the late night/early morning hours! Waaah!
Waaah!!!
Al Swearingen is the tops.
Charles Krauthammer sucks "Bushcock,"
it's true. "the hammer," as i affectionately like to call him, does in fact suck "bushcock."
Incog, if anything positive can emerge from this--and it's difficult to see how much that is positive can--it could be that people are waking up to see how they've been manipulated by a vocal, radical, but small group of noisemakers.
I invented a machine that reads my chihuahua's thoughts and translates them into electronic speech, but I don't know Spanish.
I'm trying to start a new religion without the negative aspects of any of the old ones. It would be called Echidneism and the acolytes would be called skin-shedders. So far I only have a few commandments but I have plenty of time to develop more. People so like commandments.
The first commandment: Chocolate ice-cream is a sign of divine love. Enjoy it.
The second commandment: (I stole this from some other religions): Love thy neighbor as thyself. Note that you must love thyself, too. No self=flagellation allowed. You are all created by me on purpose and you are all wonderful once you finish your spiritual development.
The third commandment: Love the animals, the trees and the rocks, too. You never know how you might reincarnate. Besides, the rocks especially are on a higher plane of spirituality than you lot.
I'm stuck here, because I don't like commandments very much.
My hatred of CNN is bottomless, I think that it's a toss up between them and DeLay as to whether which one has exploited the Shiavo mess more. May they both wind up in a dark pit with angry mergansers soon.
Whitcomb, I never said anything about Krauthammer and Schiavo.. I just asked if someone could pull him off Bush's cock. [redact - "weiner"]
He's a fuckin [redact - "crazy"] partisan hack and should not be paid to have his quackery published in newspapers.
Oh, now I've got it straight. There's a "war" in Iraq? No, my friend... Mission Fuckin [redact - "wowsie!"]Accomplished, baby!! We kicked some major fuckin [redact - "troublesome"] Iraqi ass! Now they're fuckin [redact - "finally"] free!
Sallyh, I'm heartened by the polls saying an overwhelming majority of Americans think Bush and Congress should butt out.
Love thy neighbor as thyself. Note that you must love thyself, too. No self=flagellation allowed. You are all created by me on purpose and you are all wonderful once you finish your spiritual development.
Dangerous one, that. Because that last bit about "once you finish your spiritual development" seems to require some amount of self-flagellation early on, which complicates the whole loving neighbor as self thing...
Anyway...
Saw an amusing little touristy "Cajun Ten Commandments" thing whilst on honeymoon, and two stand out:
Don't be kilt nobody.
Don't be wantin yo neighbor's pirogue.
Words to live by.
Echidne--they're great commandments. But as subnodes of commandment 1, can we include chocolate candy, chocolate cookies, and chocolate cake? (I saved a piece for you, BTW, since I made some tonight.)
This has to be one of the creepiest things I have ever seen:
http://tinyurl.com/3pcfw
[For those who don't feel like clicking through, it's a nifty little AP graphic walking newspaper readers day by day through the "Final days of death from dehydration," with helpful little arrows pointing to body parts on an anonymous little woman-cartoon, telling us at what stage the legs get all bloated up, kidneys cease to function, and "toxins cause respiratory organs to fail." Thanks, AP! Without this handy little chart, I would never have known, for instance, that "between Days 5 to 10... there may be no discernible change in movement" in a brain-dead body.]
I, for one, am glad that I live in America.
Because I can snatch a sweet ride on the internets, come to this verrücktes Haus and say swears.
Seriously... we're pretty fuckin lucky, one and all. And Ba'al shine a light on us....
Incog--as am I.
But as subnodes of commandment 1, can we include chocolate candy, chocolate cookies, and chocolate cake? (I saved a piece for you, BTW, since I made some tonight.)
Mmm. YES! See how the commandments are already getting better? Cooperation is the solution.
And rorschach, you point out a possible problem, but I don't believe in the self-flagellation route to spirituality. Even Buddha decided that it was a mistake after he tried it. Moderation is the way to go, though I get into trouble with deciding if "moderation in everything" means moderation in moderation, too. In which case one should get vomity-drunk once in a while, just to stay moderate.
Al Swearengen has got a thumb up his butt and the entire area of his fucking asshole is now one gigantic fucking throb.
But Al showed more compassion toward Rev. Smith than these fundie fuckers have ever shown toward Ms. Schiavo.
Specifically, when I am condemning first class, top of the shelf power whores to the pit of mergansers, I'm talking about a particular duck with a serrated bill for proper-small-chunks-of-flesh pecking ability. I'm talking about the red breasted merganser
sallyh:
Protestant Christianity is a relatively modern tradition, and thus far, the impact that has been observed is significantly less than positive.
Gibberish. Xianity's been sectarian from the start. And when you are always breaking away from each other, that's when you get the kinds of intellectual refinements that make for true independence of mind and purpose.
Islam is a kind of spiritual communism. It's inimical to the individual in lots of ways, especially if that individual is a woman.
And, at least in most ways, Xianity has recently found the decency to not take itself too seriously. It has adapted well to the secularized society. Which is why we need to secularize Islam, too, in as many places as we can so as to guarantee that the infection takes hold.
The Christians are right because their genius comes from their natural inclination to protestantism
It took fifteen hundred fucking years for protestantism to kick off, Toby. I don't think that fucking well counts as a 'natural inclination'; nor do the majority of Christians, who aren't actually fucking protestants.
Moderation is the way to go, though I get into trouble with deciding if "moderation in everything" means moderation in moderation, too. In which case one should get vomity-drunk once in a while, just to stay moderate.
I've always been of that latter point of view, my own self.
But, ya know, if you're only wonderful once you've finished the development, it means you've gotta kick yourself in the ass now and then to get moving on that (oftentimes the universe lends a hand, it is true).
Echidne--it's okay to not get vomity-drunk, so long as one always appreciates a delicious wine, no?
And also Jesus was tolerant whereas Mohammad was not.
Surely there are some "Xians" in here who have nothing to do with the Randall Terrys of the world.
Toby Petzold
1) Mo and all muslims acknowledge jesus as one of their own.
2) It isn't exactly honest to claim all this xian goodness while simultaneously ignoring their long distinguished history of atrocities and racism. ... AND you don't get to whine about the evils of those bad widdle islamofascists with ignorant blanket statements.
3) muslims have historically treated jews far FAR better than have xians. I'm unclear on your definition of tolerance. Stop illegally invading and manipulating mideast politics ... maybe they'll treat you better.
4) acknowledge your xian taliban fundamentalists, AND their terrorists. AND the zionazi collaborators. they are exactly the same, no better, no worse, no more, no less numerous, and no more representative than the islamofascists you wet yourself over. we'd all be better off if they'd just kill each other off.
... but don't think your terrorists are holier than the others.
Rorschach--I will not engage Romeo.
Islam is a kind of spiritual communism. It's inimical to the individual in lots of ways, especially if that individual is a woman.
You ever watch 'The Magdalene Sisters', Toby? Any experience of, say, Ireland until the last decade or so? Or Portugal?
Or are you just content to pull vapid generalisations, based upon zero understanding of religious history, out of your Lone Star Asshole?
Echidne--I will, however, never be moderate in my love for animals and the earth around me.
Islam is a kind of spiritual communism.
And now is the time in which we laugh.
(oftentimes the universe lends a hand, it is true)
Does it ever! I never wanted to be a political snake goddess. The universe pushes and pulls us until we are shaped anew. It's not pleasant, but the commandments are not for the universe, only for people.
What time is it on the West Coast?
Xianity's been sectarian from the start. And when you are always breaking away from each other, that's when you get the kinds of intellectual refinements that make for true independence of mind and purpose.
It's more like what happens when the various factions see through the charade and want the ability to exploit the peasants themselves.
midnight, a few past.
Furthermore you will notice that red breasted mergansers have a sexy name and a daring duck doo'
Romeo is bleeding nonsense...
I started to form my own religion once, but immediately went into a loop of contemplation over "There shall be no imperatives."
If you've had one mystic union with God, you've had them all.
Christianity - or rather, Christians - doesn't take itself too seriously? Hoo boy...we are talking about the same religion that has adherents that wanna stifle scientific debate because it challenges their beliefs, put up meaningless stone tablets on the taxpayer dime, and who'll allow just about any transgression from someone who tows the party line, right? This is the same Christianity that counts guys like Falwell, Robertson, Moon, Terry, Dobson, Donahue and other assorted sweeties in its ranks.
Christianity can't take itself too seriously, because it's a thought, a concept, an ideology...in other words, it's not a person. Now, some people who follow the Christian religion - whether it's just lip service or not - take themselves and their religion waaaaay too seriously.
But then again, as a general rule, human beings take themselves way, way too seriously. As a group, we actually believe it's all here for us. We really need to get over that.
Thanks, sallyh. Yes, it's ok to enjoy wine and not get really drunk, but it's good to have a few adventures into excesses at some point, always remembering the second commandment.
If you've had one mystic union with God, you've had them all.
Heh, pentimenti. This is like saying that if you orgasmed once...
Does it ever! I never wanted to be a political snake goddess. The universe pushes and pulls us until we are shaped anew. It's not pleasant, but the commandments are not for the universe, only for people.
What time is it on the West Coast?
Just into Holy Saturday, the day of Drag Queen Jesus!
And yes. When I think of the pushes and pulls I've had from standing on the edge of the Crescent City Connection contemplating jumping, to the most glorious wedding day, just 12 days ago, to the best person ever, I am dumbstruck.
JERRY FRIGGIN' SPRINGER???!!!???!!!
Is AirAmerican completely insane?
Giving that low-life lout a show is drops its hard-earned credibility to nil overnight. This is supremely idiotic.
Curiously -- it's also the fatal mistake made my Democratic Party itself over the last several elections. The thinking seems to be: we have the base supporters in our back-pocket, they're not going anywhere ... therefore we can get rub our wanks in their face and they'll accept it. Hello?????? Wake up fast. You are about to margnalize yourselves into dead air.
Shit, I can't hyphenate or shorten my true name anymore, ladies and gentlemen I present:
Let us love one another, eh?
What a privilege it is to come here, so late in one day, so early in another, and still find those of like minds.
Gosh, you all are so terrific.
I am grateful for all of you, whether we agree or not.
Sleep well, when you lie your heads down.
Peace - no bedbugs, and very sweet dreams.
S. Remarkable Jumper
And, at least in most ways, Xianity has recently found the decency to not take itself too seriously. It has adapted well to the secularized society.
I can't even start commenting on that comment. Fuck's sake, lad, look around this great country. Not take itself too seriously? Adapted well to the secularized society?
My dad told me, "You don't talk about politics or religion". Now people are talking and the ugly, ugly truth is exposed.
Yes, let's talk about politics. But religion is a man's own business and faith. The government has NO place siding with religion OR denying a man his religion OR condemning a man for his religion.
The government also has no place pushing any man's religion OR using a man's religion to gain votes.
Curiously -- it's also the fatal mistake made my Democratic Party itself over the last several elections. The thinking seems to be: we have the base supporters in our back-pocket, they're not going anywhere ... therefore we can get rub our wanks in their face and they'll accept it. Hello?????? Wake up fast. You are about to margnalize yourselves into dead air.
ThomPayne
We'll keep the base. We need the rednecks. Hence, springer!!!! ... and his thugs.
JERRY JERRY JERRY
This is the same Christianity that counts guys like Falwell, Robertson, Moon, Terry, Dobson, Donahue and other assorted sweeties in its ranks.
Toby appears to believe that some kind of low-church happy-clappy Anglicanism is representative of modern Christianity. Um, not in America, that's for sure.
Pentimenti--I'm with Echidne. Chocolate can (and should) always be an imperative
...it's also the fatal mistake made my Democratic Party itself over the last several elections.
Wake up fast. You are about to margnalize yourselves into dead air.
Concern troll.
Toby appears to believe that some kind of low-church happy-clappy Anglicanism is representative of modern Christianity. Um, not in America, that's for sure.
pseudonymous in nc
Ironically, that's how its done in the rest of the civilized world ... like in France.
Christianity hasn't been too nice to those like me. It's been ofter lethal. It's caused our murders in the past and still does. Everybody who kills a gay person always claims the bible is against gays.
Romeo is bleeding nonsense...
...but not so's you'd notice
Xianity has recently found the decency to not take itself too seriously.
First of all, it's "Xtianity."
Beyond that, I have to agree. I love the self-deprecating attitudes of Revs. Phelps and Falwell...
If we're so marginalized, why were the last 3 election cycles stolen by the repukes?
But then again, as a general rule, human beings take themselves way, way too seriously. As a group, we actually believe it's all here for us. We really need to get over that.
I've said, we are the saddest species.
Oooh, look at man. We can't protect ourselves from one carnivorous animal on our own. Yeah, we should be "in charge" of the fucking planet. We do so much to make the earth a better place... I can't believe an Intelligent Designer had all this in mind... but thanks for the mercury, God!
We need a good swig off the humble bottle, baby... but quick!
I wonder at times if the young age of our republic has something to do with the infantile perception we as a nation have of religion. Europe went through this for centuries and now appears to be quite rational about the whole concept.
Ripligula--does that mean 'large boots'?
Giving that low-life lout a show is drops its hard-earned credibility to nil overnight. This is supremely idiotic.
You'd be surprised. Springer got out of the news-anchor business and into the circus business because he regarded the ambulance-chasing, pool-of-blood live reporting tendencies of network news to be morally abhorrent.
This week's cable-news travesty proves him right, and not for the first time.
I've heard Springer speak, and was impressed by his argument. He created a show that is based upon the consent of those who take part -- compare it to the grotesqueries of Maury and Jenny Jones and all the other daytime idiocies, and it comes off pretty fucking well. Anyone who appears is given a list of possible themes, and they have to put a check mark next to every one before the cameras roll.
He has no illusions about the 'purpose' of the show, unlike other hosts: it's a human circus, and he's the ringmaster. Except that his circus animals aren't coerced.
You really think 'my husband is in love with a transsexual horse' is more low-life than the stuff going on in Florida right now, courtesy of every fucking network and cable news organisation?
Nobody gives a shit about the damage done to gays by Christianity for centuries, though.
...it's also the fatal mistake made my Democratic Party itself over the last several elections.
Wake up fast. You are about to margnalize yourselves into dead air.
Concern troll.
Keith
Exactly. I mean, it's not as though absurd bodybuilders and pro wrestlers have had electoral success, right?
So, if the Dems accept Springer, we are doomed. DOOMED!
Size 11 but I'm a poor old man waiting to move to my cabin in the hills.
Surf bum meets mountain man.
Saucy wench!
Pseudonymous--not to mention, it's sometimes amusing in its crassness. And Steve is HOT.
Nobody gives a shit about the damage done to gays by Christianity for centuries, though.
Incog/Two Dogs Fucking
Are you saying you don't care? or that you aren't a body?
If we're so marginalized, why were the last 3 election cycles stolen by the repukes?
Incog/Two Dogs Fucking
And if we're so marginalized, why is Tom DeLay so worried we're out to destroy his career, er, the conservative movement?
Are you saying you don't care? or that you aren't a body?
rorschach
I'm the only one who cares about what is bloody obvious.
I think the lure of the possible is more potent than imperatives. And that applies to chocolate too.
And if we're so marginalized, why is Tom DeLay so worried we're out to destroy his career, er, the conservative movement?
It's the victimization thing. They run the freaking world and cry about how the big bad libruls are persecuting them. Sheesh!
Some pictures of my weight loss.
Samir, you look fantastic!
And yes, you're much cooler than Jared.
Incog, I think that you've got it in reverse. Man created god in his own image, most likely, and so the holy books always say what people of that era believed to be the way to run a society.
So I blame people for the killing of gays or of blacks or of women as witches or of any other group that has been picked for scapegoating, not the religions directly.
Any coincidence that Texas reaps the benefits of the F-16's being sold to Pakistan and India?
Pakistan's Order Lifts Lockheed F-16 Plant
Check out the last paragraph of the article, you gotta love this kind of logic:
Despite the concerns Indian officials expressed yesterday about news of the sale to Pakistan, the analyst said the prospect of both countries buying F-16s is a positive. "Two countries that have F-16s have never fought a war."
F16's for everybody!
Pentimenti--you won't get any argument from me there.
Gratuitous Indian Naming:
Samir=Dudley Handmade Conifer
Warren Terra=Bruce Duplicate Moth
Pentimenti=Dennis Glandular Chocolate
If we're so marginalized, why were the last 3 election cycles stolen by the repukes?
A.) I'm talkling about AirAmerica marginalizing itself into oblivion by fucking over those who have supported them through this first very rough year. Our reward for standing by them them and demonstrating that Liberal Radio is a viable medium? We get saddled with a scummy clown that play to the lowest common denominator, tarnish their credibility and prove what the Repugs said all along: That it can't survive without cheap gimicks.
B.) The comparison was apt: Just as the DNC ignored the wishes of the rank-n-file to shaft Howard Dean and promote their preference, the odious John Kerrey, (and suffered the predictable consequences), so likewise is AirAmerica alienating its core supporters thinking that we will stick by them because it's the lessor or two evils. Pah! I will drop them like a hot turd after April 1st.
JERRY FRIGGIN' SPRINGER???!!!???!!!
Is AirAmerican completely insane?
When I heard Maddow announce this the other day, I started composing a post in my head for The American Street, where I rites straight comment sometimes. The post was going to slam AA for hiring someone who made millions running a freak show. Then it occurred to me, that I basically do the same thing in Jesus' General. The freaks might be congresspeople, archbishops, pastors, and rednecks, but they're still freaks.
That said, I still think Springer exploited a lot of ignorant impoverished people, and I have no respect for him because of that.
I've found myself switching between Unfiltered and Morning Edition since Winstead got the boot. I'll probaby do less switching after April First and just listen to NPR.
I heard this week that a Catholic Cardinal asked that parishoners not read 'The DaVinci Code.' How the mighty have fallen.
Please keep with the indian names. I'm quite enjoying them.
I cannot bring myself to go back to NPR after they fired Bob Edwards in (yet another) misguided attempt to pump up the ratings by racheting down the brains. That and the fact that NPR just fired a reporter just because they delivered a story that was not approved by MOMA ... nevermind that it had the virtue of being true.
I guess it's back to BBC, Deutsche Welle and Qito Equador. Time to break out the shortwave until the satellite folks realize they are missing a great market.
"Two countries that have F-16s have never fought a war."
There goes the NPT. This term's just gettin' started.
Hey Central Scrutinizer. Missed your comments when you weren't around.
Man created god in his own image,
Yes, this latest scam has proven that we use our gods to feed our egos. Rather a poor way to treat a god, no? Of all the assholes that have asked to be raptured in this only Terry Shiavo truly needs and deserves it.
Tom De Lay is trying to cover his conniving ass. He's a fraud and a thief and everyone in America knows it, so he's using Terri Schiavo to deflect the heat.
He's a fucking piece of shit and deserves to die NOW. Not tomorrow, NOW.
Watched an interesting documentary today on how which books constituted "the Christian Bible" were chosen. There were quite a few candidates.
My thoughts were:
(a) my, how things could have been different of the "Life Of Adam And Eve" was chosen, instead of "Genesis".
(b) more generally, do the Protestant Fundies realise that the "Bible" they spout about so much is the complete product of a political process within the Catholic Church circa 400 A.D.?
Thanks Sallyh!
more generally, do the Protestant Fundies realise that the "Bible" they spout about so much is the complete product of a political process within the Catholic Church circa 400 A.D.?
Aussie Bob
No. They believe it was all finished within a few years after Jesus' death.
where I rites straight
Jesus, that's embarrassing.
cannot bring myself to go back to NPR after they fired Bob Edwards
How proud the "conservative movement" must be for ushering in the return to yellow journalism. Which is a totally necessary condition for them to be able to rule. (They are incapable of governing.)
The end of abundant, affordable oil is in sight, and the implications are colossal. About now in our hydrocarbon phase of human history, we have pulled out of the Earth approximately half of the available petroleum (crude oil and natural gas). The other half still in the ground is harder to extract and may not - as assumed - fuel the global economy or even provide a transition to another phase…
This means that the next tough oil shortage, even if it is not acknowledged as a post-peak oil extraction phenomenon of diminishing supply, will cripple the globalized economy. Understanding of both the economics and social dynamics of collapse is rare, and even when it is present there is an absence of taking into account the "market factor" in ushering in collapse…
Despite the need to be prepared for imminent, final energy shortage - which could happen now or in several years at the latest - people persist in focusing too much on the likely date of the passing of the peak. It is already clear that the oil industry and OPEC numbers on oil reserves are suspect.
The scenario I foresee is that market-based panic will, within a few days, drive prices up skyward. And as supplies can no longer slake daily world demand of over 80 million barrels a day, the market will become paralyzed at prices too high for the wheels of commerce and even daily living in "advanced" societies. There may be an event that appears to trigger this final energy crash, but the overall cause will be the huge consumption on a finite planet.
The trucks will no longer pull into Wal-Mart. Or Safeway or other food stores. The freighters bringing packaged techno-toys and whatnot from China will have no fuel. There will be fuel in many places, but hoarding and uncertainty will trigger outages, violence and chaos. For only a short time will the police and military be able to maintain order, if at all. The damage that several days' oil shortage and outage will do will soon wreak permanent damage that starts with companies and consumers not paying their bills and not going to work.
After an almost instant depression seizes the modern industrialized world, and nation-states break down, the frantic attempts of people to feed themselves, stay warm and obtain fresh water (pumped presently via petroleum to a great extent), there will be no rescue. Die-off begins. The least petroleum-dependent communities will survive best. These "backward" nations will be emulated by the scrounging survivors of the U.S. and the rest of the "developed" world, as far as local food production will be tried - in a paved-over, toxic landscape by people who have lost touch with the land...
The prospects of mitigating peak oil or avoiding collapse are almost nil. U.S. petroleum demand in 2004 grew at its strongest rate in five years. In December the daily consumption of refined oil was 21 million barrels in the U.S, a quarter of world use. The U.S. leads the industrialized world in population growth, part of a domestic policy to assure more car and oil sales…
… The Earth cannot, as of the world oil peak in extraction, give up ever greater quantities of black gold. Most of the world exporting companies are now reducing extraction rates due to fewer discoveries and depleted fields. Oil production in 18 producer countries has passed its peak and is declining faster than previously thought: at about 1.14 million barrels a day.
"International Energy Agency figures put the total spare capacity of all 11 countries in OPEC at just 330,000 bpd (down from 6 million bpd in 2002). Conventional Saudi spare capacity is zero... An IEA report from August 2004 indicates Saudi Arabia needs up to 800,000 bpd of newly discovered oil each year just to offset declining fields and maintain its current production level." [Al-jazeera] - This can't happen, so watch for the ensuing energy crisis.
The world needs to produce another 2,723,530.2 barrels per day by the end of 2005 just in order to stand still…
Petroleum is the Great Leveler, in the sense of "leveling" or flattening oil civilization. But petroleum will also be the Great Leveler in terms of equalizing everyone: People will go through a final, grasping petroleum grab with whatever funds and connections they have, before the attempt fails for good. Then all people will have no choice but to work together or perish. Until then, we have skewed values: for example, when a kindly old lady drives to a shop and has her charitable concerns, the use of oil makes her a killer of the planet and she is not pursuing a sustainable form of transportation. Meanwhile, a mean old man who scowls at little children who walks to the shop might be a much more valuable citizen in a practical fashion that matters to the world.[3]
I guess it's back to BBC, Deutsche Welle and Qito Equador. Time to break out the shortwave until the satellite folks realize they are missing a great market.
Thanks for reminding me. Sirius carries the BBC full time and Deutsche Welle part time along with Radio China, Radio Budapest and some others. I believe Deutsche Welle is on at the same time as Unfiltered, so I can choose between it and the BBC.
And you'll never convince them it wasn't. Facts don't matter to them. Anyway, I think Terri Schiavo will linger and expire on Easter Sunday and will become a martyr. And Michael Jackson will commit suicide. Don't know where that came from but thought I'd throw it in there.
An oldy but goody from the Gospel of Phillip:
'The world came about through a mistake. For he who created it wanted to create it imperishable and immortal. He fell short of attaining his desire, For the world was never imperishable, nor, for that matter, was he who made the world. For things are not imperishable, but sons are...'
One of the Gospels that didn't make the final cut.
So, open thread and all... here's a complete turnaround...
Anything making you happy right now?
In all honesty, I'm tired of the daily crapfest they're putting on for us "regular folk".
What's making you smile tonite?
"Two countries that have F-16s have never fought a war."
The 'two countries with McDonalds' line now being obsolete.
I've never heard Springer's radio show, but an ad link to it on someone's blog made me curious enough to go to his site. It looks like he takes a totally different approach there than he does to the circus he runs on TV.
Of course, he'd just about have to.
That being said, I think his rep from TV will probably make for an uphill battle to get AA's listeners to actually, ummm, listen to him and see what he's like, rather than pre-judging him.
One of the Gospels that didn't make the final cut.
My wife had no idea about the non-canonical gospels until... two months ago. They're the best ones, along with all the mad stuff from the early church fathers.
Haysoos fooking Keyrist Jeb Bush Leads the Charge of the Light Brigade! And to think that I didn't think that he was as stupid as his stupid brother!
upbeat guy, the only hope is to move near an Amish or Mennonite community.
Here's Sirius schedule for the World stations. The BBC isn't listed because it has it's own channel
UN Radio
Vatican Radio
Radio Slovakia International
China Radio International
RRadio Sweden
Radio Prague
KBS World Radio (Korea)
Radio Polonia
Radio Budapest
Radio Netherlands
Israel Radio
Channel Africa
Radio Sweden
Radio Australia
Voice of Russia
Radio Canada International
Radio Romania International
RTE Ireland
Deutsche Welle
from the Gospel of Thomas:
'His disciples said, "When will you become revealed to us, and when shall we see you?"
Jesus Said, "When you disrobe without being ashamed and take up your garments and place them under your feet like little children and tread on them, then [you will see] the son of the living one, and you will not be afraid."
We need a news station that isn't sensored by the Buschists.
I've blessed Tom DeLay
But if you move near such a community, be careful what you might say because they're easily offended. They're the way human beings used to be and took anything else another human beings says seriously.
Upbeat, if Iraq was online, and OPEC wasn't controlled by the US oil corporations, there would be enough oil for everyone.
I'm trying to wrap my mind around the fact that Jeb Bush sent in state troopers and agents to confront the local troops guarding the hospice. And the local troops enforced the judge's orders. The jebtroops backed down. Am I alone in thinking that this was a historic showdown? Help me out here, outrage overload makes the brain wary and weary.
They also gossip endlessly amongst each other which is a mostly forgotten human pastime. They don't have many other distractions.
Am I alone in thinking that this was a historic showdown? Help me out here, outrage overload makes the brain wary and weary.
BruceUncontrollablePronghorn
I think it was contrived and didn't happen.
We get saddled with a scummy clown that play to the lowest common denominator, tarnish their credibility and prove what the Repugs said all along: That it can't survive without cheap gimicks.
Have you heard any of Springer's shows yet? I've listened to a few here in Denver, and though I detested his tv show, I must admit his radio shows have been fairly intelligent, decidedly left, and not a freak in earshot (at least not yet).
"Two countries that have F-16s have never fought a war."
The 'two countries with McDonalds' line now being obsolete.
pseudonymous in nc
Two countries that have F-16s that have bombed each other's McDonalds have never lived in peace.
I think I would be fine in such a future if it got down to it because I grew up on a farm and "haven't lost touch with the land." And growing up on a farm where you raised everything you ate for a family of 8 is not the same as having a couple patio tomatoes in pots on your back porch, folks. Anyway, I hope it doesn't get to that but it looks unavoidable.
I think it was contrived and didn't happen.
Incog/Two Dogs Fucking
Well, the story is Knight-Ridder, and if it was contrived by Jebco, it doesn't paint a flattering portrait.
Incog: But if you move near such a community, be careful what you might say because they're easily offended.
So, use of the word "gumbo," for example, should be considered off-limits.
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Human beings don't like to accept it, but like everything else on this planet, from bacteria to rabbits, you give a species the best reproducing conditions, which our species has had for the last 100 years because of oil, there is a population explosion. It took human beings 100,000 years to reach 1 billion people in 1900. One hundred years later, that number leaped to almost 7 billion. That increase was due to cheap oil. For every 10 calories you eat, 7 now comes from oil, incuding fertilizers, farming and transportation fuel costs. That's about to end. Like bacteria, you remove ideal growing conditions, and there's a 99% population crash. That's what we can expect, too.
So, use of the word "gumbo," for example, should be considered off-limits.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Not really. You just have to be careful as an outsider not to get off on the wrong foot or you will never rectify it.
After Catholic high school, I burned some college credit trying to make sense of the trinity and that old/new testament Jeckel/Hyde God-thing and the rest of the canonical cluster-fuck that people have been trying to make sense of for the past 2k years.
It all fell together when I realized there has pretty much always been this split between the lefty/ephemeral/egalitarian/squishy-spiritual beliefs, and the righty/orthodox/hierarchical beliefs. The Bible made sense as a product of that political struggle between the two where the orthodox wins. The last two thousand years has been dominated by the orthodoxy, but they are slipping. I think we probably get to witness their last hurrah and comeuppance. Because they are really screwing the pooch right now.
For every 10 calories you eat, 7 now comes from oil
That's not to say you couldn't get your calories from somewheres else. Mmmmmmm..... peeps.
You'll all be crapping in your own rice paddie before this is over.
I just can't figure how so many people have believed this plonk.
"Look, I have a book that says it's so. Don't read the first couple chapters cuz they'er kinda boring. But Jeebus loves you! Are you saved yet?"
"Why, yes, after hearing your heartfelt and moving testimony, I've decided in the last 30 seconds to devote my life to Sky Dude. Thanks, fellow Xian! Who knew it was so easy?"
"That's what I said, too! You really Are saved by the blood of the lamb, newfound Xian person! What's your name again?"
Incog: Not really.
Okay... did the liquor stores close for Good Friday where you are, Incog?
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"Dude, don't say pigfucker in front of Jesus."
- Stan Marsh
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Okay... did the liquor stores close for Good Friday where you are, Incog?
This is factual. Ridiculing it because it's frightening doesn't make it false or this danger go away.
American mainstream media never covers Global Warming. You have to go to British news sources. That doesn't make Global Warming less real. Same with Peak Oil. Just because you don't hear anything this important discussed in our media doesn't mean it's not happening.
So, open thread and all... here's a complete turnaround...
Anything making you happy right now?
In all honesty, I'm tired of the daily crapfest they're putting on for us "regular folk".
What's making you smile tonite?
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your post, a drumstick ice cream, my son,finding out and the irony of me listening to Clay Aiken while old hat kind of makes fun of him.
I lurk here a lot and it seems like some of the "popular kids" here are getting a bit snippy and mean spirited at times...I hope it doesn't last. It's become somewhat of a drag to read at times.
regards,
HAS ANYONE BOTHERED TO THINK ABOUT THE FAMILIES OF THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE HOSPICE THAT ARE DYING? I THINK THE NEWS TRUCKS NEED TO LEAVE--ALONG WITH PROTESTERS WHO ARE NOT RELATED TO ANYONE THERE...READ THIS AND WEEP.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
worldl...4893284,00.html
From the Associated Press
Protests Outside Schiavo Hospice Chaotic
Saturday March 26, 2005 7:46 AM
By JILL BARTON Associated Press Writer
PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (AP) - Jennifer Johnson, barefoot and in her pajamas, ran to her grandfather's bedside once a hospice worker said his death was moments away.
She got there - one minute too late.
Johnson said the chaos outside the hospice where Terri Schiavo is dying kept her from saying goodbye. When Johnson arrived, a police officer demanded identification; she had none. And after a hospice employee cleared her, another officer halted her for a search with a metal detector.
The delays lasted three to four minutes - the last of her grandfather's life.
``It's a terrible, extra obstacle to put in front of a family. ... Everything is about Schiavo,'' Johnson said. ``It's all about her and in my family's case, it cost us dearly.''
Woodside Hospice has 70 patients besides Schiavo, whose parents are desperately trying to have her feeding tube reconnected. Dozens of protesters have arrived from across the nation since the tube was removed March 18, and at least 15 have been arrested, prompting a police barricade around the facility and unprecedented security.
Family members visiting patients must pass through a police checkpoint to park, then show identification outside the door before another security screening inside. They also must walk by scores of signs decrying Schiavo's ``crucifixion,'' ``torture,'' and ``starvation,'' plus navigate around hordes of media who have been camped outside.
``To have to maneuver through all of this and have a hostile environment outside when all they want is peace and quiet and to enjoy those few days they have left with a loved one is a horror,'' said Dr. Morton Getz, executive director of Douglas Gardens Hospice in Miami.
Getz said many people with a family member in a hospice have to make the same excruciating decision that courts have made for Schiavo.
``It's causing a lot of grief and questions in their own mind on whether they did the right thing,'' he said. ``It's unconscionable to have a family member to be near the end stages of life and to get there, you have to walk through signs that say, 'Murderer.'''
Most protesters direct their signs and their chants against the courts and Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, who insists she would not want to be kept alive artificially.
But walking through a hostile environment can only add stress to what's already an emotionally draining situation.
``It probably has the same psychological effect on the residents' families as it does on someone who is walking into an abortion clinic and facing signs and aggressive behavior,'' said Elizabeth Foley, a Florida International University law professor who specializes in bioethics.
Over the past few days, as Schiavo's parents' attempts to have their daughter's feeding tube reinserted repeatedly failed, signs outside the hospice have grown more desperate. Doctors have said Schiavo would probably die within a week or two of the feeding tube being removed.
Messages compare Michael Schiavo to Scott Peterson, convicted of killing his wife and unborn child in California, and John Evander Couey, who allegedly murdered a 9-year-old girl in Homosassa.
One woman in a wheelchair regularly moves up and down sidewalks in front of the hospice yelling in a megaphone, ``We're disabled, not disposable!'' and ``Terri is a person, not a vegetable!''
Relatives of hospice residents say the clamor - intended to rattle Michael Schiavo - rattles their patience.
``It's a real pain in the neck,'' said Bill Douglass, whose mother-in-law is a resident. He said the only consolation is that she is ``oblivious'' to the outside scene.
Police and hospice officials say they are trying to minimize the intrusion on hospice residents and their families, and that the security measures are meant to protect the privacy and safety of all residents, not just Schiavo.
But Johnson, 24, said her 73-year-old grandfather, Thomas Bone, was restricted from moving freely around the hospice grounds during his final days. He died just hours after Terri Schiavo's feeding tube was removed and protests intensified.
``They've taken away hospice's greatest quality, that it is peaceful and serene and quiet and calming - and it's not fair,'' Johnson said.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2005
It's always perilous being the messenger....
quote from me:
"finding out and the irony of me listening to Clay Aiken while old hat kind of makes fun of him."
Doh! I decided not say what i found out that made me smile, but was not bright enough to delete the whole section...
regards, homerette
Some of the wing nut protesters outside the hospice are also wearing Kerry purple-heart band-aids.
We're circling the drain...
Sirius Radio online is making me relatively happy right now. I haven't given up on America but Christ, some people in this country....
Seebach was asking on the previous thread about which AOL name white supremacist Hal Turner was trying to identify. Turner is now possibly trying to 'liberate' Terri Schiavo.
Anyway, pulled a cache of his front page, here's the info:
ATTENTION AOL OPERATIVES:
PLEASE SEND TO ME THE SUBSCRIBER NAME AND ADDRESS OF AOL USER KNOWN AS: "ABSOLUTELYNOGAME"
Either send the info by anonymous remailer to my e-mail box HERE
or mail the details to:
Hal Turner
[cut]
Turner's current web page states: Web Site Updates Temporarily offline.
I am traveling to do something important.
I hope the police are aware of this.
How can you misinterpret "gumbo"? Everyone with any class knows gumbo is a wonderful thing, as is etoufee and jambalaya. Cajun food kicks ass...
Ooooh, he's like a top-secret-agent type secret agent man!
AOL members can't get a name/address via AOL. Unless there's treachery afoot.....
Morning all.
The story of the showdown between the sheriffs and Jeb's blackshirts is indeed scarey stuff.
I guess that would be like a New York State Trooper confronting a New York City Policeman. My money would be on the police.
This thread has crabs.
Incog: This is factual. Ridiculing it because it's frightening doesn't make it false or this danger go away.
Easy for you to say! (especially since I haven't the faintest idea what you're trying to say)
I mean, really -- I'm supposed to take warnings about some group of easily offended folks from a guy who went abso-fucking-apeshit ballistic over someone else daring to mention gumbo? I wish I could laugh.
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Ripley, it's over, man. We have serious issues that we need to focus on as a country and we're gripped about Terri Schiavo and Michael Jackson if not Martha Stewart's house-arrest ankle bracelet last week.
JP, your gumboism isn't welcome here!! You're an anti-gumbite!!
What is this "gumbo" you speak of?
Ripley, it's over, man. We have serious issues that we need to focus on as a country and we're gripped about Terri Schiavo and Michael Jackson if not Martha Stewart's house-arrest ankle bracelet last week.
And Fox earns another paycheck...
I knew Gumbo; I worked with Gumbo. You, sir, are no Gumbo!
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Jeffraham Prestonian, it's not important that you or anyone on this board take serious anything I write. I don't care. I write about some things because it's interesting and I want to put the subject out there.
So, the hour being late, I decided no more beer for me. It's coffee now...
Who's awake?
It does piss me off ya'll have no idea about gumbo. Gumbo isn't just a goddamn recipe. It's a fucking way of life.
Backslider: How can you misinterpret "gumbo"? Everyone with any class knows gumbo is a wonderful thing, as is etoufee and jambalaya. Cajun food kicks ass...
You just have to kind of read it to believe it (that's Barndog's first mention of gumbo in that thread, btw; Incog responds thusly, and it went off the rails after that). Just the next 50-odd posts from the link, down.
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I love gumbo... I was a wee lad, meandering thru NO with my parents, one summer. I chose gumbo because it had the most ingredients. And spicy, oh baby!
JP, the scary part of your post, to me, is that both of your links pointed to comments regarind gumbo... and cats with worms...
Is it me? Is it the commentors? Or was it your html targets?
Lo, these questions weigh heavy on our minds tonite....
We've still passed Peak Oil and you're going to starve to death probably in the dirt worse the Terri Schiavo.
Jeffraham Prestonian,
No. I don't think I will, on second thought. Something tells me I won't enjoy it, and I want to think nice thoughts only when I think of gumbo.
"regarind? what he hell was that??? In my defense, I hadn't drunk any of the coffee yet...
Another one, yeesh... I give up and will now simply be a good listener as you all regale me with wit and wisdom.
Well? Go on... regale me!
I don't like Yankees instructing me about Louisiana cuisine. It pisses me off. It's carpet-baggerish.
Hell, Incog, like we don't get it up here...
"You ain't Had chicken, til..."
Morning Ripley - You don't need to read the famous gumbo threadette. Suffice it to say it was a tempest in a stewpot. Frankly, I was still chuckling when I finished my morning commute.
Why JP wants to stir the pot this morning is puzzeling.
Just something about a Yankee explaining anything about Louisiana cuisine just gets under my skin. I can't help it. It's born and bred in me. And I don't care if you don't understand that. You never will, like many other things, obviously.
Ripley: Lo, these questions weigh heavy on our minds tonite....
Shorter version: Incog mentioned that his cat was eating popcorn. Me and Barndog traded comments about what our cats would eat that seemed unusual. Bardog mentions gumbo as one of those foods. Incog goes histrionic, acts as if the mere mention of the word is a personal affront to his heritage, and even this morning, insists that he's being lectured on what constitutes gumbo, when such a thing only occurred in the terribly confused mind of one Incog.
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Quiltsquito: Why JP wants to stir the pot this morning is puzzeling.
Just to discourage completely unnecessary hissy fits, and perceived slights that are entirely imaginary.
I guess I'm tired of the lashing out that Incog does so often, and at all the wrong targets.
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Just don't lecture me about proper gumbo. My creole people have been in Louisiana cooking said gumbo for 600 years. That's all. You all don't even know how gumbo started, lecturing me.
You say gumbo, I say gumbo... It's a creole standoff...
Since I have no gumbo at hand, I'll make do with frozen pizza. In Chicagoland, we like it baked... in Sheboygan they eat it frozen. Who am I to judge?
From Buzzflash link
"http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/26/politics/
26delay.html?pagewanted=1&adxnnl=1&
adxnnlx=1111831292-AbEPhXS5niFY/vKdE+YNjg">NY Times article critical of Delay. With just 13% of the public in favor of congressional intervention in the Schiavo matter, it is no wonder all the pols are running for cover.
I also heard that Randall, et al., called for a massive turnout of right to lifers to protest in Florida. Apparently only a couple of dozen have responded. I still have this awful feeling that this is going to end badly. If I don't turn on the news and don't read blogs will it all just go away?
Incog: Just don't lecture me about proper gumbo.
Find the post where anyone did this, and you'll never hear me utter the word again -- I swear!
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I know how to link. I really do.
Here you go.
600 years? Incog, you know very well that fire was only invented in 2001 when Bush took office.
Btw, you forgot your "praise Bush" in your comment. The hour being late, you may get away with it. But be careful, brother...
Oh, and praise Bush (that should fuck up the google-ing, shouldn't it?)
Monrning, Quilty
I agree - this Schiavo debacle will be ugly, no matter the outcome...
morning all.
what's the news? is she dead yet?
that situation is bad, and going to get worse when she dies. i am afraid for the husband.
What's making you smile tonite?
Ripligula
The fact that the Mayan calender stops in 2012...and right before he was vaporized, the Cancer Man told Mulder that the Final Invasion begins on 12/22/12.
Hee-hee-hee!
Amen that, her eyes...
But there will be books to write and movies to be made and god damned if Anyone's gonna get in the way of Fox on this. There's money in that woman!
Jeffraham Prestonian, I don't like a Yankee believing he can make better gumbo than a native like myself. Ya'll just stick to boring bland mince pie up there and leave Louisiana cuisine to us. K?
Good thing I didn't tell you I made Jambalaya.
Morning everyone.
Today: no news is no news. Due to popular demand, no one will ever post the news here again!
So we will talk about....shit.
Isn't this enlightening!
Morning her eyes -
Yup it is going to go down poorly. I am so glad the dems have been keeping a low profile on this. They will manage to spin it being Clinton's fault anyway.
Echidne:
Let's make chocolate a sacrament.
Elaine - do you ever sleep?
BTW - I like your posts. They scare me sometimes, but they are always worth a read.
Incog: I don't like a Yankee believing he can make better gumbo than a native like myself.
Dude, read slower.
NO
ONE
EVER
DID
SUCH
A
THING
If they did, I'm sure I could find it in those comments, but I can't, and neither can you. You took offense for no reason. You do this a lot. Pardon me if I get offended by your insanely low threshhold for taking offense, but I think you need serious help, man!
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Mornin, Elaine
Let's go away to some place... a cabin in the mountains... a tranquil beach...
Huddled masses, my ass...
The appointment of George Bush's leading hawk as head of the World Bank was heading for a crisis over his relationship with a senior British employee.
Influential members of staff at the international organisation have complained to its board that Paul Wolfowitz, a married father of three, is so besotted with Oxford-educated Shaha Riza he cannot be impartial.
Extraordinarily, they claim she played a key role in pushing the 61-year-old Pentagon official into the Iraq War. And the row comes amid claims that Wolfowitz's wife Clare once warned George Bush of the threat to national security any infidelity by her husband could cause.
A British citizen - at 51, eight years younger than Wolfowitz's wife - Ms Riza grew up in Saudi Arabia and was passionately committed to democratising the Middle East when she allegedly began to date Wolfowitz.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
pages...in_page_id=1770
I know, I know. It's The Mail but thought this could be my Satruday Morning Tom Cat Blogging
Good morning, it's a IAT day for me.
Mornin, Elaine
Let's go away to some place... a cabin in the mountains... a tranquil beach...
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Well, her eyes, I guess we're not invited. Humph, I've never been so insulted in my life. Why, I may just have to take offense at that. What are we, chopped liver?
Pentagon won't try soldiers
Short analysis of article: only rogue soldiers tortured and they did it in every prison camp across the planet and we don't give a fuck, now the pretence of punishing these "disobedient" soldiers has collapsed. Ho hum news.
What's making you smile tonite?
Ripligula
The plane didn't go into the ocean, could you imagine the paperwork?
yes, everything gone wrong since 1932 has been the fault of clinton somehow.
amazing how much power that man has.
Elaine's posts scare me every day, but i read them all because i want to be prepared, and she teaches me much.
ETP, you did the worse crime at Atrios' threads: you quoted articles. More than one paragraph. A number of the old timers here last night got all pixied up over this crime. They want SHORT postings so they can do the real business here: snarking.
I happen to love reading sections of articles just as you posted here. I hope other readers speak up about this because I was tremendously ticked off last night to be attacked for this. Gads.
Good thing I didn't tell you I made Jambalaya.
Barndog
I never cared much about jambalaya. Have at it. But creole gumbo, and that's not cajun gumbo, and there is a big difference, I take seriously. I'll not cotton to any Yankee lecturing me and they don't even know the difference or how it began.
Lol Quilty One
The hello was for Elaine, the invitation was for everyone. Sorry about that.
Though, I guess if everyone came with me I'd be right back to the damned huddled masses. And I'm not buying a cabin that big, you damned huddled freeloaders!
EPT - I saw that yesterday. I wonder if she was the one who convinced Wolfie that our soldiers would be met with flowers and candy. I bet if we dig a little we can find a connection between her and Chalabi. That guy has his dirty mitts in every thing that has gone wrong in Iraq.
We know Chalabi was one of the main orchestrators of the invasion. It is not a stretch to think Wolfie was set up by this crew.
The Pope is dying and the NYT is too delicate to say so
He clings desperately to power with his fingernails, like all previous popes, can't depart the throne but must die sitting on it. Like Franco.
And to think, WWIII was started because a middle-aged man couldn't keep his fly zipped. Infuckingcredible. If this was a movie I would say it was too contrived.
quilstquito. hmmm yes. very insulted indeed. we are not chopped liver. we will not be treated as such.
and we aren't vegetables either.
you and i, quilstquito, could find our own little haven, and invite DWD.
Hey, we can build a BIIIIG cabin. Sort of like a hotel. Skiing in winter and water sports in summer.
Incog: I'll not cotton to any Yankee lecturing me
Well, Ahab, when you see that whale, be sure to get a snapshot, 'k?
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And jambalaya isn't cajun, by the way. Neither is gumbo.
Goofy article making snarky fun of the Bush WH 'Ask the Whitehouse' site
But creole gumbo, and that's not cajun gumbo, and there is a big difference, I take seriously.
AHA!!!!!!! I knew it.
I knew it. My style comes from the Acadian, not the Creole culture of cooking. Although your people have some fine ass dishes too.
Though, I guess if everyone came with me I'd be right back to the damned huddled masses. And I'm not buying a cabin that big, you damned huddled freeloaders!
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DWD was proposing that we all go off and live in the woods or something, and create our own village. Sounded too much like a commune type of thing for my taste.
We considered a Canadian commune back in the early seventies when we were still sweating Mr. QL's draft status. After spending a week there, I told Mr. QL that Switzerland was looking mighty fine. Glad it never came to that.
I work with a woman that grew up in Haiti and France. She speaks Creole..
That's it, really... just thought I'd throw that out there..
Oh yeah, she is drop dead gorgeous and her accent makes me want to... errr.. work even more productively and increase the profit margin of my division, every day...
I never knew that was a crime Elaine. Guess it's a clean cop. Who's got the cuffs?
I hope Sully isn't trolling just now. If so, I was only joking about the cuffs.
Quiltsquito, interesting idea. I'll bet you're on to something I'm wondering if the British press will give more details on this affair, U.S. "press" probably won't.
Since I'm already caught, have you read Frank Rich, increasingly one of the few reasons to read The NYT?
That bullying, stoked by politicians in power, has become omnipresent, leading television stations to practice self-censorship and high school teachers to avoid mentioning "the E word," evolution, in their classrooms, lest they arouse fundamentalist rancor. The president is on record as saying that the jury is still out on evolution, so perhaps it's no surprise that The Los Angeles Times has uncovered a three-year-old "religious rights" unit in the Justice Department that investigated a biology professor at Texas Tech because he refused to write letters of recommendation for students who do not accept evolution as "the central, unifying principle of biology." Cornelia Dean of The New York Times broke the story last weekend that some Imax theaters, even those in science centers, are now refusing to show documentaries like "Galápagos" or "Volcanoes of the Deep Sea" because their references to Darwin and the Big Bang theory might antagonize some audiences. Soon such films will disappear along with biology textbooks that don't give equal time to creationism.
James Cameron, producer of "Volcanoes" (and, more famously, the director of "Titanic"), called this development "obviously symptomatic of our shift away from empiricism in science to faith-based science." Faith-based science has in turn begat faith-based medicine that impedes stem-cell research, not to mention faith-based abstinence-only health policy that impedes the prevention of unwanted pregnancies and diseases like AIDS.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/2...f3c523b&
ei=5070
i have a much easier solution...we secede from this mess and create our own country. treason be damned. you voted for this asshat, you don't get in. simple. you voted for this moron, you fight his war. you voted for this moron, you lose your ss. in our country, we will put back the rights taken away from us. cabin be damned. we need a new country.
Wu is mad at Hu and this mad stuff can have a bad down side for us like WWIII type stuff:
BBC news:Taiwan rallies against China law
Taiwan is venting its frustration at China's anti-secession law
Hundreds of thousands of people are attending a mass protest in Taiwan against China's anti-secession law passed earlier this month.
The law allows China, which sees Taiwan as a breakaway province, to use "non-peaceful" means to stop any move by the island towards independence.
Senior politicians urged their followers to join the protest.
The island's government has been heartened by broad international criticism of China's new legislation.
Joseph Wu, who heads Taiwan's Mainland Affairs Council, the body responsible for the island's dealings with China, says it is an attempt to remind the rest of the world that Taiwan feels it is under threat.
"We also want to show to the Chinese side that we are angry over the Chinese action and we want to let the Chinese side know that the law has dealt a severe blow to the prospect of peaceful negotiations in between Taiwan and China," Mr Wu said.
Cajuns are stupid white trash who came down here from Canada and settled among the orginal French creoles and took to calling our cuisine their own.
It never ceases to amaze me how sex plays such an integral part in world affairs. I wonder, if all prohibitions were lifted would we all be fucking like bunny rabbits. Would anything ever get done. I bet we would just come up with a whole new set of prohibitions. Hey, it started with Adam and Eve and hasn't stopped yet.
Cajuns were the orginal carpet baggers.
I am glad posters today want parts of articles here. I LOVE READING YOUR SNIPPETS! Seriously do.
Really and honestly. I skip much of the chat to first read the snippets of articles
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Think of Ann Veneman as the Paul Wolfowitz of food policy.
Just as Wolfowitz used his position as the Bush administration's deputy secretary of defense to spin whacked-out neoconservative theories into the justification for an illegal and unnecessary war, so Veneman used her position as the administration's secretary of agriculture to spin equally whacked-out theories about the genetic modification of food and free trade into disastrous policies for farmers and consumers.
And, just as Wolfowitz is being rewarded for his missteps and misdeeds with a prominent new position as president of the World Bank, so Veneman is also moving onto the world stage, as the likely nominee to be the next executive director of the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF).
http://www.madison.com/tct/opini...d=33377&
ntpid=0
Fuck 'em if they bleed, let Jeebus heal 'em...
Sure, they'll say Christain Scientists aren't really Xians... but Pat "Miracle Man" Robertson can avert hurricanes... and Benny "$25 a soul" Hinn can cure ailments and Ayatollah Jerry "I'll kill a man if he hits on me and tell god he died" Falwell should be able to stem the flow of good Xian blood.... right?
I'm being snarky, of course... I wouldn't let most people bleed to death...
Jambalaya, a Cajun/Creole dish, is perhaps the most versatile main dish the South has to offer.
Huh. That's interesting.
Gumbo has an African heritage.
True story: many years ago when China was first opening up to Americans, my father had a heart attack when he arrived in Beijing so the government whisked him off to a hospital that was a secret one for government officials only.
The State Dept in America was closed because it was a holiday weekend here.
But my mother had someone in the government there call me and he told me to call "Dr. Hu" at the hospital.
So..."I want to talk to Dr. Hu, please."
"Who"
"Dr. Hu"
"How spell name?"
"H--u"
"No understand spelling".
Me...OH MY GOD.
I called a Harvard professor who spoke Chinese and he managed to run down Dr. Hu and make contact with my mother who said, "What took you so long".
Cajuns were so stupid, when the local French asked them where they were from, they mumbled, "Acadian" which is in Canada. But they slurred it so badly, people here thought they said, "Cajun." And it's been a nightmare ever since.
Incog, Cajuns were deportees.
Ah, Arcadia!
A key part of the BBC article:
Some observers say the march is a clever move by the Taiwanese government to focus the efforts of its more radical pro-independence supporters on street protests rather than on drawing up new anti-China legislation which might, in the long term, cause more damage to cross-Strait relations.
This is utter March hare madness. Staging big street protests doesn't calm things down, it ups the ante.
Evidently, Hu is even more pissed at Taiwan now.
I love starting the day by reading news. My mother is the biggest news addict I've ever known. Despite being dirt poor on a farm on a road that used to be closed for three months during mud season we always had two daily papers, two weekly ones, news magazines, and the radio was always on for the news. She still is addicted but, unfortunately, my sister has cable and she's got CNN on a lot. Though she's beginning to see through it.
Buzzflash is like my morning paper, before I get the morning paper. They've got a lot of links to smaller papers with good articles which won't ever be picked up by the big papers.
Now, it's time for chores.
I wish everyone a good morning.
Elaine -- Stop the gumbo lecturing, damn you!
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BBC news that you won't see here:
Moves to quell Kyrgyzstan unrest
Volunteer police hope to prevent another night of looting in Bishkek
Kyrgyzstan's new leaders have taken steps to restore order after widespread looting in the capital, Bishkek.
The city seemed tense but calmer, with sporadic shooting, as police patrols fired in the air to deter looters.
Former opposition member Kurmanbek Bakiev, named as acting president, appointed an interim cabinet and said fresh elections would be held in June.
Meanwhile, deposed leader Askar Akayev accused the opposition of staging an "anti-constitutional coup".
Seems that "democracy on the march" can be rather violent. I see more and more civil wars breaking out. This includes Iraq, of course, the heart of the civil war spreading.
Key sentence here:
Mr Akayev's administration was swept from power amid protests sparked by elections last month, which were widely seen as fraudulent.
OK. Lesson. Bush and Condi think that democracy is RIOTS caused by FAKE ELECTION RESULTS.
I agree at this point. It may come to this in the end, here.
Gumbo lectures:
First you cook, then you eat then you speak Cajun and learn how to play the banjo in that order.
Incog will give lessons.
i saw this news on Kyrgystan only a very brief story on thurs, and nothing since. i wondered if it had any significance for us, and was that why the press was so mum about it.
please excuse my ignorance to most foreign matters. i find enough to worry about in this country without taking on the problems of the world. on the other hand, we are not an island after all, and everything other countries do affects us all.
Incog, you know I love ya like a brother that I've never met but whose text I've read online.. (I've got nothing but love - partly cuz I'm that kind of guy and partly to piss off the freepers since they think liberals are hateful).
Have you thought about buying a heavy bag and working off some of that "pissed off" juice? Maybe Tai Chi? Maybe e-mail me or Someone and vent and get some weight off your soul? There are plenty of friendly ears here, but your usual wit has gone lost in the glare of your rage, lately.
I know I can't understand everything in your Life right now but here I am, trying to understand and help as I might.
Today, the NYT has a wonderful article about how our soldiers are beloved in Iraq and all is pretty peaceful, kids playing, etc.
14 minutes ago:
Car Bomb Kills Two U.S. Troops in Baghdad
By EDWARD HARRIS, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A car bomb struck a U.S. military patrol Saturday in the Iraqi capital, killing two U.S. soldiers and injuring two others, and a Marine died in action in a restive central province, the military said.
Elaine, you know nothing of the banjo! Nor do I...
I don't know what that means but it seemed terribly relevant as I was typing it...
you are a good soul, ripley.
Interesting about the escape tunnel from the prison camp.
I remember Stalag 7. the movie about brave Americans escaping from a Nazi camp. *cough cough*
I had a creole woman who worked in my 'shop' in the Marines. It was completely enlightening, and really spiked my curiosity onto creole/cajun quisine.
What really stuck me was, when she would get pissed off, and start bitching and cussing in that weird dialect.
Sir, I do NOT know that banjo, either in person or bibically.
her eyes
we have a base there and the Russians have a base there.
Oy vey - it is really way too early to think about a drink.
Quilty, that's where you're wrong. Oh so wrong...
Playing the banjo is another unique experience. Never gotten into the fingerpicking style of guitar. I've always been a flatpicker - or, someone who picks fiddle tunes or the like on the guitar. Sort of like Doc Watson or Tony Rice.
Once I picked up the mandolin and played it for a couple years, I just felt the banjo was the next right move. Or, in my case, left.
It's a totally cool instrument.
Titan has most deaths among Iraq contractors, U.S. figures show
Thu Mar 24, 8:29 PM ET
Local - San Diego Daily Transcript
Titan Corp. (NYSE: TTN - news), the largest supplier of translators and linguists to the U.S. military, had at least 131 personnel or subcontractors killed in Iraq (news - web sites) since the March 2003 invasion -- the most for any contractor, according to the Labor Department (news - web sites).
Related Quotesn (Elaine notes: stocks went up!)
TTN
HAL
18.22
42.06
+0.06
+0.18
The dead numbered 15 in 2003 and at least 116 in 2004 and 2005. Halliburton Co. (NYSE: HAL - news) units had the second highest level of dead -- 61 -- including 26 employees and 35 subcontractors. An Iraqi subcontractor for Environmental Chemical Corp. that cleans up ammunition sites had the third highest death toll -- 22.
More job openings for Americans!
quiltsquito...it is noon time somewhere...
So, I opened the blinds on the slider to let the early morning light in.
Which means I probably have to put some pants on now. Oh, this "society" we live in....
good morrning.
I heard the dove today! No crocuses though.
Morning fellow freethinkers
Anybody know how much Sirius radio costs and how difficult it is to install in a home.
Oh, and I saw a V of geese last week, anyone else?
Hey DWD - don't read upthread, we were talking about ya.
Anybody know how much Sirius radio costs and how difficult it is to install in a home.
I offer you this:
http://www.sirius.com
It might have all the info you need
And good morning to all
Oh, and I saw a V of geese last week, anyone else?
el
me too. and two fat robins. and a cardinal. which i'm told means hope.
I'm on a pretty nice high right now. MSU nicely beat Duke last nite.
The nicer thing for me was, watching all the basketball pundit's 'God', Coach K from Duke - get outcoached by Tom Izzo from MSU.
MSU, Illinois & Wisconsin - 3 of the Final 4??? Happened not too long ago, when the Big-10 put 3 teams in the final 4. Believe it was 1999 or 2001.
Oh, and I saw a V of geese last week, anyone else?
Geese have been flying around us most of the last week. I usually see a flight in the morning, or at least hear them.
The Miami Hearld reported Jeb tried to use cops to snatch Terri. Buzzflash had the url but, increasingly, this means having to register so I didn't read it.
Anyone got it? (This is why I post segments of articles here, many require registering)
morning DWD. welcome to another day in bushworld, but don't worry. you are safe here.
Anybody know how much Sirius radio costs and how difficult it is to install in a home.
$350ish, depending on yer subscription plan.
I spent $150 for the home receiver and $50 for a home docking station and $150 for a year's subscription (you can do it monthly for MUCH less -- and that's probably smarter). I play it through my own FM radio (you can specify the frequency). The antenna works fine in the middle of my living room (damned if I know how), but it can be picky. They recommend mounting it outside if at all possible. Signals okay, but flakes out occassionally.
I'm not totally happy with SIRIUS (Alan Colmes on the Liberal Channel? WTF????), but it is certainly better than local Limbaugh drones.
And get SIRIUS -- not XM. XM is tainted by Clear Channel ... the people who helped screw up broadcast radio. No reason to think they won't do the same to satellite if they get half a chance.
Holy Mudflap, Batman!
As usual, one of the funniest bloggers...
her eyes, no cardinals yet, Marblehead. Although the cats took a toll on them last year.
I did see where some guy in North Carolina offered $250,000 on Michael Schiavo and another $50,000 on one of the judges.
So now it can be said: The GOP are enablers of terrorisum. We knew you could do it, guys.
God knows I am not going to start this day off by trying to correct Elaine but on the gunbo stuff - FIRST, you make a roux....
anyone see Shultze Gets the Blues?
I expected to have fun, sorta a Lennigrad Cowboys experience, instead it was wonderfully moving.
The Miami Hearld reported Jeb tried to use cops to snatch Terri. Buzzflash had the url but, increasingly, this means having to register so I didn't read it.
Anyone got it? (This is why I post segments of articles here, many require registering)
I'm registered. Here it is:
Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.
Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called ``a showdown.''
In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.
''We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in,'' said a source with the local police.
''The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene,'' said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. ``When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off.''
The incident,known only to a few and related to The Herald by three different sources involved in Thursday's events, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in Florida law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.
Her Eyes,
I don't actually believe anyone living in a major metro area is safe. We have set ourselves up for a disaster. What is so sad is that it did not NEED to be like this.
Here on the West coast of Michiga, I do not overly concern myself with threats from far away. But the conservatives are certainly vexing. Hell, caught Pat Buchanan on TV last night advocating kidnapping the poor veggie from the hands of the evil judiciary. (That is one step - and a damned small one - from absolute fascism.
Bush Showdown Continued:
CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS
Participants in the high-stakes test of wills, who spoke with The Herald on the condition of anonymity, said they believed the standoff could ultimately have led to a constitutional crisis and a confrontation between dueling lawmen.
''There were two sets of law enforcement officers facing off, waiting for the other to blink,'' said one official with knowledge of Thursday morning's activities.
In jest, one official said local police discussed ``whether we had enough officers to hold off the National Guard.''
''It was kind of a showdown on the part of the locals and the state police,'' the official said. ``It it was not too long after that Jeb Bush was on TV saying that, evidently, he doesn't have as much authority as people think.''
State officials on Friday vigorously denied the notion that any ''showdown'' occurred.
''DCF directed no such action,'' said agency spokeswoman Zoraya Suarez.
Said Bush spokesman Jacob DiPietre: ``There was no showdown. We were ready to go. We didn't want to break the law. There was a process in place and we were following the process. The judge had an order and we were following the order.''
Tim Caddell, a spokesman for the city of Pinellas Park, declined to discuss Thursday's events.
el are u in marblehead, ma?
Bush Showdown Continued:
SHELTER FOR SCHIAVO
The developments that set Thursday morning's events in motion began the previous afternoon, when the governor and DCF chief Lucy Hadi held an impromptu news conference to announce they were considering sheltering Schiavo under the state's adult protection law. DCF has been besieged, officials say, by thousands of calls alleging Schiavo is the victim of abuse or neglect.
Alerted by the Bush administration that Schiavo might be on her way to their facility, officials at Morton Plant Hospital went to court themselves Wednesday, asking Circuit Judge George Greer, who ordered the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube last week, what to do.
''It's an extraordinary situation,'' said Beth Hardy, a hospital spokeswoman. ``I don't think any of us has seen anything like it. Ever.''
Greer signed an order Wednesday afternoon forbidding DCF from ''taking possession of Theresa Marie Schiavo or removing her'' from the hospice. He directed ''each and every and singular sheriff of the state of Florida'' to enforce his order.
But Thursday, at 8:15 a.m., DCF lawyers appealed Greer's order to judges at the Second District Court of Appeal in Lakeland.
That created the window of time to seize Schiavo. When DCF filed its appeal, it effectively froze the judge's Wednesday order. It took nearly three hours before the judge found out and canceled the automatic stay, shortly before 11 a.m.
Administrators of the 72-bed hospice, who have endured a withering siege of their facility by protesters since Greer ordered Schiavo's feeding tube removed on March 18, declined to discuss Thursday morning's events in any detail.
''I don't really know, or pretend to know, the specifics of what is going on behind the scenes,'' said Mike Bell, a spokesman for Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, which operates Woodside.
Bush Showdown Continued:
DCF INTENTIONS
According to sources, DCF intended to take Schiavo to Morton Plant Hospital, where her feeding tube had been reinserted in 2003 following a previous judicial order allowing its removal. But hospice officials were aware that the hospital was not likely to perform surgery to reinsert the tube without an order from Greer.
''People knew that taking [Schiavo] did not equate with immediate reinsertion of the feeding tube,'' a source said. ``Hospital officials were working with their legal counsel and their advisors, trying to figure out which order superseded which, and what action they should take.''
Hardy, the hospital spokeswoman, said she does not believe the hospital was made aware Thursday morning that DCF and state police planned to bring Schiavo in. ''We were not aware of that three-hour period,'' she said. ``It's not a discussion we even had, really.''
George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney, said he does not think DCF officials knew of the window of opportunity they had created until well after they filed their appeal.
''Frankly, I don't believe when they filed their notice of appeal they realized that that gave them an automatic stay,'' Felos said. ``When we filed our motion to vacate the automatic stay . . . they realized they had a short window of opportunity and they wanted to extend that as long as they could.
``I believe that as soon as DCF knew they had an opportunity, they were mobilizing to take advantage of it, without a doubt.''
Herald staff writers Phil Long and Marc Caputo contributed to this story.
There you go.
right, her eyes
Thanks a million, Big Daddy Mars, for putting up the entire article!
well, i ask for news, and then i once i get it, i want to slit my wrists.
i almost want to ask what's next, and then i'm afraid to hear it.
Thanks a million, Big Daddy Mars, for putting up the entire article!
No problem. It's important enough to know what the hell is going on down there.
That article is linked all over the web. Kevin Josh et al. I hope it hits the mainstream press BIGTIME. That is batshit crazy!
God knows I am not going to start this day off by trying to correct Elaine but on the gunbo stuff - FIRST, you make a roux....
b0313 | Email | Homepage | 03.26.05 - 7:34 am | #
You will roux the day you wroux that, lb0313!
"Roux roux roux your gumbo gently down the stream, merrily merrily....yum."
el--been to the beaches there a few times, absolutely gorgeous. good harbor my fave.
ah, Elaine, I okra known better...
That article is linked all over the web. Kevin Josh et al. I hope it hits the mainstream press BIGTIME. That is batshit crazy!
As I said up stream the FBI nabbed a guy who offered money on Michael Schiavo and one of the judges. So I think it's time for Herr Bush to crawl outta the Crawford Bunker and do something about these terrorists who are threatening private citizens and federal judges.
Or, maybe he'll wait untill after he'd had a drink. Or two.
"everyone wants to go
up to heaven
none of them wants to die
I don't know why?"
- Peter Tosh
Correct, DWD.
The implications of the article are astonishing. We are witnessing the collapse of our legal/law enforcement system due 100% to zealots wanting to use a person as a political football.
Today at TNR Online: Xenophobia and the Republican Right
Okay Freethinkers, do you realize what that article actually says? That is the grounds for impeachment as specified in the Constitution of the United States.
This case has been decided by not only the Supreme court of Florida, but by the Supreme Court of the United States. Jeb Bush (with his brother's complicity - if you believe he would try this without White House approval, you are hopelessly naive) sent his "soldiers" to break the law. To confront the judiciary with the executive branch. This is unprecedented in our history.
Take it from there. AMazing. (And before my second cup of coffee. If this is not SCREAMED from everywhere, we truly are lost)
I'm reading blogs and they're all lathered up that Bush Must step in and Terri Must stay alive... and all I can think is, "and then what?"
I've said it before... a 98.6 degree piece of meat with fluids running thru it isn't Life. She's not a science project, she's not a blue ribbon for Jesus, she's not a victory over Roe v Wade, she's not a cause celebe' for an agenda, she's not a medical miracle or a religious miracle waiting for a soundtrack and movie rights.
If there's anything close to awareness left in her, I can't believe she'd want to stay here in that state. I'm not a religious man but god bless her and take her away from this circus of political and media masturbation.
her eyes, give a shout if you come up, can go to Crowninshield island at low tide, great view all the way up the coast from there.
Although now that trustees of reservation got their paws on it, charge admission (!!) and the tourists have found out about it.
Jebby dances the fundie dance.
He can't afford to take a chance.
If a "holy" crackpot
Sez shit, he must squat.
It's a fucking Repuke romance.
el--will do!
okra? Okrahoma! where the wind comes sweeping down the plain....
I filet a song coming on....
... seriously, go see/rent 'Schultze gets the Blues'
http://www.rollingstone.com/
news...ion=6.0.12.1059
In a way it's facinating to watch an entire nation, or at least a large segment of one, descend into collective madness. In a way.
But on the whole, it's fucking scary.
.
Lime Rickey!
You're so fine you blow my mind!
Lime Rickey! Lime Rickey!
Ugh...it's too early for Toni Basil.
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There are 2 headlined articles at the Miami Herald main page. One is about the Schiavo case, the other one is there for irony purposes, I assume:
A federally funded watchdog group is investigating the recent deaths of four disabled Floridians amid an aggressive campaign by the state to cut millions of dollars from programs that provide medical care for disabled people in community settings.
Ugh...it's too early for Toni Basil.
Depends if you like her toasted with a touch of cream cheese. Then she's fine.
spork_incident: just saying that to someone here, great minds think alike.
In a way it's facinating to watch an entire nation, or at least a large segment of one, descend into collective madness. In a way.
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But the whole nation hasn't. As I mentioned up-thread, the right-to-lifers put out a call for massive demonstrations. All they could muster up was a few dozen. The other patients and their families in the facility are getting ticked off. This is being driven by a handful of well known, hardcore whackjobs. that we are having a constitutional crisis because these people have managed to convince those in power that it would prove beneficial is what is so completely freaky about the whole deal. Will our country descend into fascism because of Randall fucking Terry. It may happen.
It's the curse of the iron lung. They've "re-defined" Life for us.
And the fucking pig whores in the media are...... beyond fucking description or redemption.
It's disgusting on a cellular level.
A federally funded watchdog group is investigating the recent deaths of four disabled Floridians amid an aggressive campaign by the state to cut millions of dollars from programs that provide medical care for disabled people in community settings.
Oopps! Well, I guess with what Jeb is paying to keeps this freak show going, a few more "disableed Floridians" can expect to see their lives cut short a lot sooner than expected.
The Bush Brothers. When you Absolutely, Positively need the Biggest Fuckups in the World.
her eyes sez:
just saying that to someone here, great minds think alike.
I'm gonna refrain from posting more until the caffeine seizes my soul. I nearly posted the whole Miami Herald article but luckily refreshed before doing so and saw Big Daddy was doing so.
For now, I remain,
Anton Watermarked Ram
Ugh...it's too early for Toni Basil.
Depends if you like her toasted with a touch of cream cheese. Then she's fine.
Big Daddy Mars | Email | Homepage | 03.26.05 - 8:08 am
It's always too early for Toni Basil. Now knock it off, or I'll drag out that video of Shopping A To Z.
'Morning, moonbats!
what's this tunnel you're talking about?
Mornin, brother Thomas
I'm reading blogs and they're all lathered up that Bush Must step in and Terri Must stay alive... and all I can think is, "and then what?"
Good morning. Ripley, I must agree. It's as if death itself has become a sin. They've forgotten that when your time has come, there's nothing that anyone can do about it, much less Jeb Bush. And here's hoping that we don't let them forget how W and Jeb failed them in their hour of need.
After all, you can't say something is "murder" and then pretend that court sanctioning makes it okay.
Sometimes I guess, early in the morning when my mind is clear, more than I should. That article above is the most frightening thing I have ever read about my country.
The governor and president are required by law and oath to uphold the Constitution. They just broke that oath. In the end it matters little if they did not succeed. For in breaking oaths and failing to uphold the Constitution there is a different standard for compliance. It is not like they were thieves on the way to rob the bank and were caught. That is different for you have to prove criminal intent. In this case just acting upon an action they KNOW to be against the oath of office they took is enough.
Children, this is beyond serious into criminal and treason.
"Anybody know how much Sirius radio costs and how difficult it is to install in a home."
Runs about $150 for a receiver and dock. Easy to hook up to a stereo, either with line in jacks(best) or FM attenuator. Subscript runs about $11 a month.
You'll freaking love it. 2 Liberal channels, sports out the wazoo, music, music, music. Was jamming to the Vault in the shop yesterday, reliving my childhood.
We need a TV preacher to cure Terry. Do you know any good ones?
'Sup, Ripley.
Atrios. The worst blogger ever. Period.
"I'm reading blogs and they're all lathered up that Bush Must step in and Terri Must stay alive... and all I can think is, "and then what?""
There must be thousands of people like Terri. Why are they only focusing on her? There's so many, each of these fundy nuts could adopt their own to take home and show off, but I don't think that's gonna happen.
DWD -- we need to find a brave Congressman to hammer (no pun intended) on an impeachment charge. And we need that person to drag up everything else that Chimpy's ever done. And, if asked why all that stuff was never mentioned before, say, "The Republican Congress would obviously never let such a series of charges go through. But now the Republican Congress has been shown to be out of step with the country's mood, the people's best interests, and the laws of the land."
Every day in GOPland, people's lives are terminated because no one wants to pay the bills. Not just Baby Sun Hudson, murdered in his crib by Texan law.
As I said a week ago, and was blasted for this, this circus is in our favor! It cements the idea that everyone deserves health care and I hope we can ride this pony.
A federally funded watchdog group is investigating the recent deaths of four disabled Floridians amid an aggressive campaign by the state to cut millions of dollars from programs that provide medical care for disabled people in community settings.
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So is that what this is. A carefully orchestrated event to distract sheeple from their murder of the disabled?
DWD
from Knight Ridder
The incident, known only to a few, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in state law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.
Participants in the high-stakes test of wills, who spoke with The Miami Herald on the condition of anonymity, said they believed the standoff could ultimately have led to a constitutional crisis - and a confrontation between dueling lawmen.
"There were two sets of law enforcement officers facing off, waiting for the other to blink," said one official with knowledge of Thursday morning's activities. In jest, one official said local police discussed "whether we had enough officers to hold off the National Guard."
"It was kind of a showdown on the part of the locals and the state police," the official said. "It was not too long after that Jeb Bush was on TV saying that, evidently, he doesn't have as much authority as people think."
State officials on Friday vigorously denied the notion that any "showdown" occurred.
The Department of Children and Families "directed no such action," said agency spokeswoman Zoraya Suarez.
Said Bush spokesman Jacob DiPietre: "There was no showdown. We were ready to go. We didn't want to break the law. There was a process in place and we were following the process. The judge had an order and we were following the order."
Tim Caddell, a spokesman for the city of Pinellas Park, declined to discuss the event.
The developments that set Thursday morning's events in motion began the previous afternoon, when the governor and DCF chief Lucy Hadi held an impromptu news conference to announce that they were considering sheltering Schiavo under the state's adult protection law. The department has been besieged, officials say, by thousands of calls alleging Schiavo is the victim of abuse or neglect.
Alerted by the Bush administration that Schiavo might be on her way to their facility, officials at Morton Plant Hospital went to court Wednesday, asking Florida Circuit Judge George Greer, who ordered the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube last week, what to do.
"It's an extraordinary situation," said Beth Hardy, a hospital spokeswoman. "I don't think any of us has seen anything like it. Ever."
Greer signed an order Wednesday afternoon forbidding the department from "taking possession of Theresa Marie Schiavo or removing her" from the hospice. He directed "each and every and singular Sheriff of the state of Florida" to enforce his order.
But Thursday, at 8:15 a.m., DCF lawyers appealed Greer's order to judges at the Second District Court of Appeal in Lakeland.
That created the window of time to seize Schiavo. When DCF filed its appeal, it effectively froze the judge's Wednesday order. It took nearly three hours before the judge found out and canceled the automatic stay, shortly before 11 a.m.
Administrators of the 72-bed hospice, who have endured a withering siege of their facility by protesters since Greer last Friday ordered Schiavo's feeding tube be removed, declined to discuss Thursday morning's events in any detail.
"I don't really know, or pretend to know, the specifics of what is going on behind the scenes," said Mike Bell, a spokesman for Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, which operates Woodside.
According to sources, DCF intended to take Schiavo to Morton Plant Hospital, where her feeding tube had been reinserted in 2003 following a previous judicial order allowing its removal. But hospice officials were aware that the hospital wasn't likely to perform surgery to reinsert the tube without an order from Greer.
"People knew that taking (Schiavo) did not equate with immediate reinsertion of the feeding tube," a source said. "Hospital officials were working with their legal counsel, and their advisers, trying to figure out which order superseded which, and what action they should take."
Hardy, the hospital spokeswoman, said she doesn't believe the hospital was made aware Thursday morning that DCF and state police planned to bring Schiavo in.
George Felos, the attorney for Schiavo's husband, Michael, said he doesn't think DCF officials knew of the window of opportunity they had created until well after they filed their appeal.
"Frankly, I don't believe when they filed their notice of appeal they realized that that gave them an automatic stay," Felos said. "When we filed our motion to vacate the automatic stay ... they realized they had a short window of opportunity and they wanted to extend that as long as they could.
"I believe that as soon as DCF knew they had an opportunity they were mobilizing to take advantage of it, without a doubt."
DWD, evidently you have never read the Constitution. What part, phrase, sentence...exactly.. have the President and his brother not upheld?
Yeah, it's a big contest between all 2,978,527 American bloggers. And blogs are all official too, so they have some special rules to follow and must always make all readers happy at all times, day and nite.
Hey, nutty idea - start your own blog, Smarty McSmart! Then, instead of whining about how much the blog(ger) sucks, you can do something about it for someone that cares.
"I believe that as soon as DCF knew they had an opportunity they were mobilizing to take advantage of it, without a doubt."
lb0313
So it's like the judges are the adults slapping the hands of very naughty little boys.
Hereafter known as "Bruce Flammable Gorilla".
Filk, I guess maybe it IS just me. But to send troops to defy the duly adjudicated order of the state and federal judicaiary seems to me to be the essence of treason.
Honestly, this is so frightening it is almost beyond comprehension. You have to think about what it means I guess. The Brothers Bush were placing themselves ABOVE the law. When you conspire to bypass the law you are committing treason. DAMN! People, please wake up and consider this.
Sorry for repeating BDM's post! I plead early am
my point is that, batshit as it is, they were exploiting a legal 'wrinkle'....
... ah hell, it's Terri they are exploiting
The Miami Herald has quite a scoop there. I wonder if the other news outlets will pick up on it.
DWD, You keep repeating the lie, the moonbats on this site will be happy to agree...
Morning, Folks.
This whole Schiavo madness is brought to us courtesy of the "Right to Life" groups trying to be consistent. Of course, they're not completely consistent or they'd be against the death penalty, which they're not.
Any further news on the racist dude who posted a suggestion involving storming the hospice and truck bombing it, then left a cryptic comment on his web site saying he was going on a trip?
...the moonbats on this site will be happy to agree.
Since it's dawn, can't we at least be morning doves?
Any further news on the racist dude who posted a suggestion involving storming the hospice and truck bombing it, then left a cryptic comment on his web site saying he was going on a trip?
The word on him is that he's somewhere. Probably Florida. We can only hope he steps infront of a gas truck and tastes his own blood.
this ltte is so perfect and succinct:
To the Editor:
It is ironic that many of those who fight to keep Terri Schiavo alive through the wonders of modern medicine would be among the first to limit the study of science in our classrooms.
Nancy R. Tag
New York, March 25, 2005
my point is that, batshit as it is, they were exploiting a legal 'wrinkle'....
... ah hell, it's Terri they are exploiting
lb0313
And all this time I thought "law and order" Rethuglicans hated people exploiting legal technicalities. Jeb Bush wasn't violating a court order today because of a legal loophole, which obviously shows that Jeb Bush was GUILTY of violating the judge's order! Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! (trial? only trial we need is in the court of public opinion. *snort*)
DWD -- not just you. But I think the bastard's been committing treason since Cheney's secret energy task force meetings. The rabid monkeys have the keys to the zoo, and it's about damn time to break out the fire hoses and clean up this shit. Fortunately, this whole awful episode has brought that to light in such ways that even Faux News can't hide it.
How long that lasts... ehhh. That, unfortunately, may be another story.
Meanwhile - the blogger who finally managed to get into a WH briefing said he got the pass because somebody talked to somebody. I still want to know which somebody talked to somebody to get Jimmy/Jeff his pass. We know he was doing someone in the WH, we just don't know who.
Meanwhile, Wolfie, going through a midlife crisis, starts up an affair with a woman who is hellbent on democratizing the ME. Probably has some connection to Chalabi. Is this how WWIII gets started? Cause he couldn't keep his pants zipped.
Meanwhile, two more soldiers died today because the Iraqis love us so much.
Meanwhile, oil is over $55. a gallon and climbing. This results in a massive tax increase for all those who drive to work or heat their homes with oil.
And so on. This is just the tip, my friends.
Why do the songs from Caberet keep reverberating in the background of my mind.
Right - Nazi Germany wants you, asshole. I don't respond to trolls as a rule, so this will be brief. Ask yourself this question, if the law means nothing to them: when will they come for you?
All, I could give a shit for a wrinkle in the law. That is bullshit and you know it. The law was clear and explicit and trying to couch your treason in the guise of "wrinkles" is total and utter bullshit and needs to be called the same. The law was clear and they chose to conspire to break the proper judgement of the courts of the state of Florida and the United States of America. This is treason. Simple and damning as it is.
I suspect we're in for another day of requests for emergency hearings and appeals.
The legal fees for the past week must be just staggering. I predict some serious fund-raising by the right-to-life organizations to cover those costs.
bkny -- beauty. I'd frankly be just fine with shipping 'em all off to their own little Theocracy of Moronistan, and see how long they last before they chop themselves to pieces over doctrinal foofrah. To quote Emo Phillips:
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge,
about to jump off. So I ran over and said "stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
He said, "Bapt