I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
If there's no prostitute on the panel, it doesn't count.
Number One!
-eric Revolutionary
Damn. Sloppy seconds.
Probably sixth, by now...
print journalists no longer control what stories are deemed important
So, does this mean Mrs. Chalabi is marginalized?
Yeah, really, no JimmyJeff Gunkanterannon?
If I print a page off of Eschaton, does that make Atrios a Print Journalist?
(ducks and runs for cover)
Is this even fodder for debate? The news media shills for the propaganda Rove dishes out. (Check and see where ANY US military deaths have been reported for the last few months...and don't hold your breath for the totals).
But, the complicity is apparent on ALL fronts. Read this through...and then figure out where there are any loopholes in the argument. The chart is only a sample.....
Democracy Redefined!
I'm guessing Anal Anna Marie was booked.
print journalists no longer control what stories are deemed important
Imho, they haven't done, for probably 20years...
Editors have always seemed to control what went into the paper (illusion); but latterly the reality is that it has been the ad-sales side which was the final arbiter, along with the publisher--or his wife...
It occurs to me Mr. Goldsten is whistling past the graveyard where Katherine Graham is buried.
Wanna marginalize bloggers, journos?
Do your fucking job.
Yeah, but did they serve decent coffee and pastry?
"gentlemen, we got to protect our phoney balogny jobs... harrrumph..."
The Gov.
focus
I made a comment similar to your point on call-in show with Frank Rich about a year and half ago... he got a little agitated and dismissed the entire notion.
Silly Frank. (Great writer though)
That's pretty funny.
Wake up and smell the coffee print guys.
Can you give details, please, Atrios? Specifically, why does Wolff feel the industry is doomed? Right or wrong, Wolff is a smart guy and usually a good read.
I think blog readership still has a long, long way to go before it threatens printradioteevee. That day can't come soon enough...
What evidence did Goldstein have that demonstrated that the situation is not as bad?
Speaking of print media sucking, check out this WaPo article on DeLay's "fuck you" to the courts. Here's a sample:
DeLay's comments reflected the frustration and anger that some conservatives say they felt when no judge or justice was willing to act in response to congressional legislation, which President Bush flew home from Texas to sign last week, calling on the federal courts to review the case, which has been handled by Florida courts.
Is it just me, or does this paragraph make it sound like DeLay's comment was totally reasonable under the circumstances? The whole article is just a festival of wankery.
I've read lately that newspapers are moving more toward charging for access to internet content. That seems inevitable -- I quit subscribing to dead trees about a year ago, and imagine a lot of other people have as well.
But if they start charging for everything, it's going to be a drag for news-search junkies.
Shorter Guckert: 7" cut
Wolff's position is, roughly, that no one gives a shit about news anymore and they certainly aren't interested in paying for what they can get for free. If you make your website subscription only you marginalize your publication so much that eventually advertisers don't care about you anymore. And, the average newspaper reader gets a bit older every year, meaning that once all these people die it's all over.
Were the national press club's top two go-to bloggers there too?
Guckert: Ass fucking! Ass fucking!
Wankette: Ass fucking! Ass fucking!
Shorter Atrios: print journalists no longer control what stories are deemed important
Well, if that's the case, it ain't cause of bloggers. It's because of who owns the newspapers, magazines, cable networks and whatnot. Whether it's choking off stories on Montasero (sp) or wasting time for the past two weeks on Almost Dead People, they're the ones who're deciding what's "news", not anyone actually concerned with informing the populace. Whatever effect the blogosphere is having on mainstream media - indeed, if any at all - I gotta think it's still way too early in the game to make a solid decision one way or another.
Way it looks to me, half the time, bloggers spend more time in internet slap-fights, either with members of the punditocracy or other bloggers.
Thanks, Atrios. I always enjoy hearing what Wolff has to say.
Wait a minute - a panel about journalism and blogs and shit and no boobs? Y'all can't do that - I thought anal sex, large breasts and booze were always the topics for those things.
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Tena, well, maybe Woot wasn't available. 
I'm fascinated by the fact that newspapers are only now coming to terms with this newish form of broadcasting. Evidently there was a facade of 'let's all embrace the new methodology' that has not been backed up by much. Interesting.
Just on the radio - Pope dead.
the msm is sweating bullets. they know that they are whores. and they know that we know it. crew of fucking dinosaurs.
and we are the comet that takes them out.
fuck em.
Dammit, they keep raising the bar.
First you had to have your own blog.
Then it had to be popular.
Now you have to be invited to sit on a panel.
*sigh* I'll never catch up.
Thanks for expanding on what Wolff said, A-man. Care to flesh out what goldsten was saying?
A fable for newspaper publishers:
Once upon a time, travel agents sued the airlines who had threatened to reduce the 6% fee paid for booking flights. Nobody remembers whether or not they won the lawsuit...because travel agents were replaced by orbitz, travelocity, and other websites.
Moral of the story: Think strategy, not tactics!
Would it be possible for major news organizations like The New York Times and Washington Post to shift to a content provider role with the printed version serving as a declining advertising sideline for local markets.
The Times, for example, has an enormous number of underutilized reporters who don't appear in print that often, but have their beats. If they can boost the quality of the reporting and the knowledge level of their reporters, a broader role as a detailed information provider for all variety of media outlets and producing far more copy than would fit in a daily newspaper seems to be one possible avenue for survival.
For example, BNA (Bureau of National Affairs?) appears to have made this a profitable business, and competition would be appreciated by consumers of their information services.
Care to flesh out what goldsten was saying?
it's a little harder to flesh out. he was mostly (as he put it) "sweeping up the dung" from what duncan and wolff said. i.e. defending mainstream journalism as basically okay. while he did acknowledge some of the problems with modern journalism, he basically thinks that there is still a place for the paradigm of the objective traditional journalist and that u.s. newspapers are not complete failures
(sorry i'm late to this discussion. i had somewhere to go after the panel and just got back now)
news industry is doomed --boy I certainly hope so
Aaron Brown should have his tongue ripped out for using the phrase the Culture of Life inconjunction with the death of the Pope --who never used that phrase
Print journalists are important! As long as they print Republican talking points verbatim and ask Democrats gotcha questions.
Thanks for responding, upyernoz. Glad to have the fuller explanation.
Print journalists are important! As long as they print Republican talking points verbatim and ask Democrats gotcha questions.
But, but, but. . .that's Lil Russ' job! Is it allowed for print reporters to encroach on the territory of Press the Meat?
TJ, way upthread....
DeLay and particularly Santorum have been singled out by the most conservative judge on the 11th circuit court of appeals in Atlanta for comment to wit....."In the political realm, repeated instances of hypocrisy can become consistency."
My translation of that is "consistent hypocrisy is consistent hypocrisy, and being the House majority leader or the third ranking memeber of the GOoP side of the Senate does not change this lamentable fact"
Atrios, give 'em hell! The MSM has let America down, and is still failing, miserably.
I wrote "memeber" in talking about Santorum....this had to be a slip as your friendly boilerman would never attack Santorum for say gay marraige would lead to man/dog sex....would he? I think Santorum's meme about "puppy love" will haunt him for the rest of his hopefully short political career.
News doomed?
I don't think so, but until standards allow for opposing opinions to be freely expressed on more than just the editorial page, and the clunk letter column, and propaganda can lead to a form of sanction against a paper or other media outlet, nothing will change in the news industry.
It's not when you buy a paper that you're actually paying for content. That $.25 to $1-whatever basically pays for the paper it's printed on and distribution. The actual editorial cost is paid by the advertisers. I thought the internet was cheaper-just a thick "pipe" and some servers-compared to a huge press and massive distribution network...
"Wanna marginalize bloggers, journos?
Do your fucking job."
Really.
"Print journalists"? What print journalists?
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