I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
The Pope is responsive?
Oh yeah, there's that attack on Abu Ghraib think too.
18 casualties? Culture of Life, right.
Uh oh.
Did anyone really think the Iraqis would not extract some revenge for all the abuses? And we didn't hear the worst of it.
They did, I bet.
...and if they're reporting 18 casualties now you know it's going to be alot worse than that.
Fuck Bush!
The magic continues...
Nothing but Papal death-watch on the "news" networks.
When does Michelle go to pick up our fallen soldiers' guns and fight for God and the Republican Party?
The prayers are working! Don't you see they are making him better! Oh the power of prayer! Keep Pope Alive! Keep Pope Alive!
Atrios,
you may want to specify what you are talking about. The pope being responsive is now at the top of the page. I think you were referring to the 18 US service people killed .
Yeah. You should probably chnage the title of the link. The wankers will probably go all wingnutty if they think you are upset about the Pope being responsive
Holy shit. EIGHTEEN more die in vain.
WASHINGTON - A group of 40 to 60 insurgents attacked the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq late Saturday in a well-coordinated assault that inflicted 18 American casualties, U.S. military officials told NBC News.
First we sink "The Bitch."
And now, we're about to sink "The Bastard."
Then THEY come up with this!
http://tinyurl.com/4pth4
When will they realize that for every Dan Rather, Eason Jordan, Jayson Blair, Tom Daschle, Nancy Pelos...oops, that was for next election cycle.
Another one of THEIRS will die of natural causes!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!
We'll teach them yet!
And remember, when they say "eighteen casualties," they are misusing the term. They mean eighteen dead. Just imagine how many real casualties there are, how many maimed soldiers are now going to be shipped back in the night, when no one is there to see the cost of this war.
The wankers will probably go all wingnutty if they think you are upset about the Pope being responsive
They're already wingnutty.
In the meantime, nothing but wall to wall coverage of "the pope is still sick" on cabloid news.
Fox breaking news: Terri Schiavo cremated!
I also don't understand what "Shorter Panel" was all about. Were you on a panel somewhere, Duncan, with Wolff and Goldsten?
Fuck is right. On both counts: the pope and Iraq.
I'm surprised it took them this long to attack Abu Ghraib, actually.
Pray for the Pope! He's dying! 18 service people? Yeah, like I'm going to crawl on me knees for them...
Anyone notice one of the other headlines...
"DeLay wants panel to review role of courts"
The situation in Iraq is improving...for the insurgents.
Sufficiently fortify our troops or GET THEM THE HELL OUT OF THERE.
You can not be pro-life and pro-war at the same time.
All this week, as the repugs mourned about Terri, I wondered how an American serviceman in Iraq would
feel about such rapt attention to Terri, and yet the seemingly indifference to our soldiers and Marines dying there.
And when praying for the Pope, it is well to remember he was against the war in Iraq.
Pray for the Pope! He's dying! 18 service people? Yeah, like I'm going to crawl on me knees for them...
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That's not the real news.
It's the fact that the insurgents now feel confident to attack in groups of 50 people on a major American institution.
They're already wingnutty.
Wingnuttier?
Wankiest?
PS fourlegsgood, I've always admired your handle .
The Pope... What won't that guy do to get a little attention???
MSNBC finally giving time to the attack reports; casualties possibly up to 20.
Anyone notice one of the other headlines...
I did. What a wanker. He is the most arrogant son of a bitch ever.
I wish a meteor would strike him.
Come on. We should be thanking God for this day....a fucking dead Pope and 18 Americans!!!
I wish a meteor would strike him.
I vote for a meteor made of santorum.
Breaking News: The Pope was poked with a stick, and did not appear to enjoy it! Oh yeah, and some people died in that war-thing! Terri Schaivo is still dead!
"DeLay wants panel to review role of courts"
That slimy scumbag. Like the *non-partisan* panel that reviewed intelligence leading up to the war?
What a fricking joke.
I ,was upset about the pope being responsive.
I smell a NEW Pyramid Forming....
Give me an A..."A". Give me a B..."B". Give me a U..."U". Give me a space...."SPACE". Give me a G..."G".
Oh well, you losers get it.
Here's the problem...you are still fighting a 1700-style (Viet Namese) war of attrition, where body count means something.
Fact is..it doesn't anymore, because we (The Good Guys...you remember us, right...speak the same language, share the same culture...come from many if the same states. You know...the people y'all - or yous form the northeast - so derogatorily call 'Murkins) can't fight the way wedoid in Viet nam...nor, would we want to.
For those of you into body counts, wait 'till you see their dead (alot) compared to our wounded (a little).
In the mean time, feel free to go fuck yourselves.
The pope is responsive? Liddy Dole sure got there in a hurry!
...and you can scroll down and learn all about The Apprentice and April's fashions. Ah, "news".
Richard - "DeLay wants panel to review role of courts"
Somehow, I don't think Delay is necessarily going to get what he wants. Federal judges aren't really known for their tolerance of having their jurisdiction and decisions questioned, except by higher courts.
I'm not sure why we constantly lament the resignation of Eason Jordan ...as the CEO of CNN he shepherded it to it's current Faux-lite state and took what was once a world wide ENG service straight what the Repugs now call " 2nd only to Fox in it's sympatheic tone "
Fill me in , what am I missing ? So , he said something out of line at a conference and then buckled to demands to quit . So what ? Was he the new head of the corp hired to drag it out of it's complicit malaise ? If not , he was just the latest seat warmer to allow it's grim slide toward irrelevance and dishonesty. Why is his departure seen as 'one of ours' going down ? Was he ever one of 'ours' or was he not just another CEO playing happily to the admins ghastly fiddle?
Help ? What part did I miss ?
Except for the fact that what he said later proves to be true ...I don't see the tragedy...
It's the fact that the insurgents now feel confident to attack in groups of 50 people on a major American institution.
Didn't we just hear that the Americans had returned control of the prison to the Iraqis?
Hmmmmmmm.
Bush: "Bring 'Em On"
Why didn't they attack the prisons where Lynndie England and Charles Graner are housed? They are the ones responsible for the torture after all ... right?
Bring 'Em On
Bring 'Em On
Bring 'Em On
Bring 'Em On
Bring 'Em On
and what's up with Vicky ? Vicky , what's up with you ?
Anyone notice one of the other headlines...
"DeLay wants panel to review role of courts"
Yeah, I posted a link to the WaPo article on this 2 threads down. It's total bullshit, but the article makes it sound like his comments and request are totally reasonable.
That's not Vicki.
Why no pie...that just makes them easier to kill. In classic insurgent methodology, it's a last ditch effrt at trying to make something good happen despite the overwhelming odds against you.
You remember, kind of like when Ketchup "saluted" his sycophants during the Democratic Convention last summer.
No way is that Vicki.
This "casualty" thing is confusing -- as is the apparent definition of what constitutes an "insurgent attack."
Listening to NPR the other day, during the Morning Edition leadoff news readings, there was a brief bit about US troop pullouts, where it was suggested that troop numbers could be reduced if the number of insurgent attacks "continue to decline." This was on the word of "officials" who said the number of attacks was down.
Not ten minutes later, there was a Morning Edition "report" based on actual on the ground reporting, where it was clearly stated that the number of attacks was steady or increasing.
Wheeeeeee.
It doesn't sound like Vicki - more like a santorum-covered troll.
A.Scott,
listen to Eli and TJ. It ain't the Vicki you know and avoid because of infecetious diseases.
Fact is she's way LESS coherent than I am anyway.
you are still fighting a 1700-style (Viet Namese) war of attrition, where body count means something.
First, who are "you"?
Second, I was unaware that the Vietnam War was waged in the 1700s. Seems more recent, to me.
Third, quit calling yourself "Vicki."
PS fourlegsgood, I've always admired your handle .
Thanks. You have excellent taste. 
yeah , Eli ( and Hi!) the fake Vicky thing occured to me as I hit send. Unfairly early in my day after equally unfair late night ....
PS: " You hafta have a lota hard bark on you to come down here like this ..."
cause it's a lousey rainy day and it's been too long ....
Hiya A., and good not-morning.
AFP reports 20 "wounded."
Third, quit calling yourself "Vicki."
I wish whatever it is would put the crack pipe down. It's making my head hurt.
If you're going to troll please, short, coherent sentences. ALL CAPS ARE FINE as long as we can figure out what the fuck you're saying.
And any name stealer has to at least make an attempt to be entertaining and to at least try to imitate the style of the stealee.
See also, various Ted Smith trolls. They're funny because he's so easy to parody.
Thersites,
Your first mistake is listening to potential scenarios on NPR of all completely bullshit and devoid of common sense on National Security sites.
For realistic national defense potentialities listen to Fox. It's just as partisan as NPR, but has found a niche.
If you want to know what time of year is best for tapping maple sap for production of maple syrup, listen to NPR; It's "really neat." "Yeah...really neat."
For realistic national defense potentialities listen to Fox.
OK. Now that was funny 
BTW the US is holding 16 thousand Iraqis, one half in outdoor prison camps and hundreds under 18. Three times the prisoner population in November 04.
I vote for a meteor made of santorum.
Only if it's flaming at a temperature of at least 1000 degees and has a mass of at least a ton.
The idea is that he be obliterated.
I dig those "national defense potentialities" on Fox.
That's not Vicki.
Nope. It's me.
Remember how you taught me to use TinyURL?
And how I like to steal Vicki's name?
Oh, and how I am psychotic, schizophrenic, and obviously off my meds (once again) today?
(Hate to ask this on a serious thread, but who else guesses they were serving massive quantities of espresso at that panel Atrios participated in today?)
real Vicki ( and sorry for the typo on the name 3 times) I was reading it , thinking ok, Vicki we know and love has finally eaten a big wad of aluminum foil and lost her mind ...then I got it ...as I said , still waking. Yes, it is a Santorum-smeared troll desparately attempting to get our attention to obfuscate the piles of corpses we are making world-wide in the name of freedom . What's funny is , they distract us briefly and our core beliefs only get more galvanised, more angrily informed and sharpened . The trolls , like other Repugs and Drones on the right , consistantly act in contradiction of thier own self interest. Thanks stinky troll for reminding me , and re-inspiring a full day of pissing off the religious right .
and thats all I have to say about that .
It's the fact that the insurgents now feel confident to attack in groups of 50 people on a major American institution.
Concur.
No, wait, isn't it just an act of desperation?
Pope dead. Again.
so they inflict that high number of casualties on their first attempt -- i suspect this was a test and with that many thousands in custody, it's only a matter of time before the insurgents are successful.
Reuters is reporting 20 US troops wounded.
WASHINGTON - A group of 40 to 60 insurgents attacked the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq late Saturday in a well-coordinated assault that inflicted 18 American casualties, U.S. military officials told NBC News.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, could not immediately provide a breakdown on the number of dead or wounded.
Alright, Eschatards, get out the napkins. Looks like you've come all over yourselves, again.
So more of our kids just paid the price for the greater glory of Jesus, George Bush and Imperial Neoconia.
Might have been worth it if they'd been, say, in the same country as and within a thousand miles of the people that actually attacked us on 9/11.
But hey, let's forget all that. Freedom is on the march!...right through our children's hospital beds at Walter Reed and right over their graves.
Get them out of there, you ghouls.
Get them the fuck out of there.
Pope officially dead.
OK, Hohrshack is off HIS (note - caps used as a method of highlighting a specific word) meds.
The 1700s and actually into the 1800 hundreds Na[poleanic-style warfare is where the Wars of Attrition found their niche. Back then, Europe had a mercantile economic system. If you wanted it, you had to take it from someone else.
Unfortuantely, our military leaders during Viet Nam...you remember McNamara and the whole DEMOCRATIC Johnson Administration...thought the same way.
There could only be so many VC, the more we kill, the colser we are from ultimate victory.
The problem was both Russian and (even worse) Chinese support to the North. The last thing we wanted to do was fight the Chinese again by coming close to their border (ala the Yalu).
OK, now, get it?
No, wait, isn't it just an act of desperation?
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Kind of reminds me of that scene in Animal House where Peter Riegert has about 15 cops on top of him and he's saying "OK. NOW YOU GUYS ARE MAKING ME REALLY MAD".
The pope is dead.
For real this time.
WASHINGTON - A group of 40 to 60 insurgents attacked the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq late Saturday in a well-coordinated assault that inflicted 18 American casualties, U.S. military officials told NBC News.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, could not immediately provide a breakdown on the number of dead or wounded.
Alright, Eschatards, get out the napkins. Looks like you've come all over yourselves, again.
Um, no. We are actually AGAINST Americans dying and killing in Iraq for no fucking reason at all.
Try to keep it straight there, little one.
Just Another Terrorist Organization Gone Terminal on Itself: "High-stakes freaks like David Duke and Manuel Noriega and John Poindexter and 'Redrum' Rumsfeld would be sipping pina coladas poolside, along with Gordon Liddy and Oliver North and Tommy Franks, shacking up together as one big delusional and happy family in a single - albeit monstrous - Mandalay Bay-like existence all tucked away forever, with a fully stocked open bar and satellite TV beaming Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous reruns and overflowing platters of tropical fruit and Don Ho yodelling Tiny Bubbles behind the Hawaiian organ and hordes of tanned topless servants lapping the grease and shards of meat from their fat fingers while others comb at the thin hairs on the backs of their necks, insulating them from all the struggles of the outside world."
[ New Photo of Jeb "Fredo" Bush available ]
This pope thing is starting to really feel like Mike Palin and Terry Jones are writing it ....
" I fink the popes dead "
" nah ,'es only pining'
' He's bleedin Demised "
" nah, nah, 'es resting"
fourlegsgood,
For really real, or "Fox News" real?
Vicki--You manage to combine the pedantic with the ridiculous. Well done!
The Pope had really died.
The pope is dead.
For real this time.
I'm going to Barnes and Nobles to buy a copy of Voltaire.
I'm going to read it in honor of the Pope's death.
has really died.
The pope has just come back to life.
And when praying for the Pope, it is well to remember he was against the war in Iraq.
But also remember that he didn't do a damn constructive thing about it, like urge Catholics not to vote for the administration which started the war. (Whereas it's a-ok for a Colorado Springs bishop to state that Catholics who vote for pro-choice, pro-gay marriage politicians like John Kerry "jeopardize their salvation" and will be banned from Communion until they have "recanted their positions" and confessed their sin.)
The Catholic Church's priorities are clear. Don't kid yourself.
driftglass, the vatican has announced it- he died at 2:37 pm EST.
No he hasn't. He's still in "serious" condition according to Google News.
driftglass,
It's interesting that some pogue who lives in his basement would know better than the entirety of the Legislative and Executive Branches of Government.
Even more interesting still is your intense desire for Terri Schiavo's death because it's what her husban...er, I mean, what she wanted. This demonstrates intense inconsistency with what the vast majority of soldiers in Iraq want and are willing to sacrifice.
We're willing to sacrifice our lives in order that the Iraqis may have their freedom.
Fuck you as the idiot who understands nothing byond itself.
Sorry Thersites, that takes three days.
The Pope was getting better. Then he died.
Nice reporting there, guys.
With apologies to the real Vicki:
Ladies and gentlemen, you're in the middle of a "Ignore the Moronic Brownshirt Fucks Million Dollar Weekend!"
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Remember, if it's not throwed, it's not good!
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blog_id=538049
The pope is alert, talking... no wait. Died again. Hold on.
The Pope died at 21:37 Rome time. Spanish Cardinal Camerlengo Eduardo Martinzez Somalo made the announcement. A second official, the Maestro di Camera, removed his pontifical ring, whereby the Pope is recognized as officially deceased.
The pope has just come back to life.
Quick!! don your helmets!! he'll be after your brains!
And didn't we all just read that glowing report about how the US soldiers were not taking the brunt of the attacks anymore? I guess they spoke too damned soon.
The pope is dead.
For real this time.
Yup.
There's a "Pope Dies" banner up at MSNBC, not at CNN yet. I don't have control of my TV at the moment.
CNN says he is dead and he is also still responsive.
(where's a stick when you need one?)
The pope has just come back to life.
Thersites
D'oh! But then he died again...
Folks, I'm over here in Brussels cracking up. It's happening. Just bear with me a few more posts before I implode completely and am straightjacketed, medicated, and permanently hospitalized. You see, I am seething with a psychotic anger. My doctors have tried to quell it with therapy, drugs, and shock treatments, but it doesn't seem to work. They keep telling me to relax, that I've got all three branches of the government and the media and that I should be as happy as a clam. But for some reason, that's not good enough for me. I wish I knew why. I continued to be obsessed with Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, Nancy Pelosi, and Dan Rather. I continue to burn with rage at the thought that there people somewhere on this planet who just won't come to heel and get with the radical Republican agenda. I won't stay on my meds voluntarily and thus, the need for involuntary hospitalization. I am, at heart, a Stalinist thug. But you already knew that, didn't you?
There's a "Pope Dies" banner up at MSNBC
How festive....
So while US and Iraqis are dying, the brave war-enthusiasts at LGF are planning their big meetup in Oakland on the 15th April. Iron Fist plans on buying two 'California Legal' knives as soon as he arrives.
They're hoping for trouble with some 'moonbats', who as groupthink would have it, are every bit as dangerous as Iraqi insurgents.
This might be a good time to remind everyone not to feed the mindless, too stupid to live, trolls.
Feeding them only makes them fatter and stupider than they already are.
This has been a public service announcement.
You may resume your previously scheduled snark.
Oh, I forgot, there's a war going on with sentient young men and women getting killed. Not a fraction of the coverage as for Mrs. Schiavo, though. (does it bother anyone else how all those teary "sympathisers" kept calling her Terri as if she were a close friend?)
what driftglass & rorschach said.
No more blood for neocons' wet dreams.
Trolls suck.
Does this mean that the psychic John Edwards can now communicate with the Pope? If so can he asked him how the Polish sausage is up there?
And here's why i enjoy posting under the names of regulars:
That's not Vicki.
Nope. It's me.
Remember how you taught me to use TinyURL?
And how I like to steal Vicki's name?
Oh, and how I am psychotic, schizophrenic, and obviously off my meds (once again) today?
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Because all you "Free speech for me and not for thee'ers like to do the same thing.
Fact is, yous taught me this neat game. Now, suck it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
The Pope died
Nur-al--dammit. I was seven hours off. No cleaning up on this dead pool pour moi.
So while US and Iraqis are dying, the brave war-enthusiasts at LGF are planning their big meetup in Oakland on the 15th April. Iron Fist plans on buying two 'California Legal' knives as soon as he arrives.
Be kind of funny if Fisty were instantaeously transported to an inurgent training camp in Iraq holding his two knives.
There's a "Pope Dies" banner up at MSNBC
How festive....
You're just being morbid. That's Latin for "Pope Days." It's a sort of carnival, doncha know.
(does it bother anyone else how all those teary "sympathisers" kept calling her Terri as if she were a close friend?)
I think it bothered anyone that isn't a certified, raving wingnutter.
The death of the Pope clearly indicates the imminent defeat of the Iraqi insurgency.
Good afternoon!
I'm at work this afternoon, and I thought I'd check in. I see my name is being stolen. What a bore.
Just so y'all know that I'm here in the ether, not posting vile stuff.
God speed. And "Fuck" is the right title for this thread.
On May 24, 2004 Bush promised to tear down Abu Ghraib as a symbol of the new Iraq.
Now almost a year later we have suffered at least 18 casualties. This is LITERALLY Bush's fault.
Atrios please remind your readers that Bush promised to tear those walls down.
So while US and Iraqis are dying, the brave war-enthusiasts at LGF are planning their big meetup in Oakland on the 15th April. Iron Fist plans on buying two 'California Legal' knives as soon as he arrives.
Does anybody know any Oakland-area recruiters? Hear those guys are having trouble meeting their quotas...
On the radio - Pope dead.
RIP, Karol W.
The pope is dead again, no wait...
It's a sort of carnival, doncha know.
Do they have dancing dogs in costumes and cotton candy?
CNN's website still says the pope is dead and responsive.
The Vatican says Pope John Paul II has died.
homepage for CBC link
The pope has just come back to life.
Did he see his own shadow?
Wow. That namestealer "Vicki" had me, like, so totally fooled.
Since when has Bush ever kept a promise?
Worst. President. Ever.
Seriously, if I see any commentary from fundie wingnuts on the Pope's death, I'll vomit. The Pope's policies were frequently wrongheaded and outdated, but the fundoids don't have the decency in the lot of them that JPII had in his entire body.
I have a question.... if the Pope is so beloved of god, how come all the catholics are so feverishly praying for his soul?
Seems like he'd have an automatic "in" to me.
Did the attack at Abu Ghraib set prisoners free?
Any American soldiers taken hostage?
Seriously, if I see any commentary from fundie wingnuts on the Pope's death, I'll vomit.
Oh I don't know. I'd rather enjoy seeing Jack Chick on TV commenting on the Pope's death. Somebody book him please.
Well, the Pope is dead. I hope no one had any hope of watching anything on network TV for the next couple of days.
FourLegs--it's customary to do so.
Because all you "Free speech for me and not for Thee'ers...
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
Pay attention to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Pay attention to ME DAMNIT!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!
I'm a big crybaby! Pity me, damnit! Pity me!
Don't ya just know the networks are pissed that the pope didn't have the decency to die during US prime time?
Hmm, guess sending Liddy Dole over there to orally stimulate the pope was not the cure I thought it would be. Hope it was at least palliative.
The Pope is dead.
Let this be a lesson, kids -- heroin and motorcycles don't mix.
The pope has actually passed away? CNN Web page had him with a high fever and responsive.
Requiescat in pacem, JP.
sally, I know, I'm just being ironical.
Because it is a kind of weird practice when you think about it.
Why don't they pray for the poor or something the pope actually cared about?
The pope is seriously dead
We're willing to sacrifice our lives in order that the Iraqis may have their freedom...
You honestly expect us to believe you are somewhere in combat?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Wipe off the Cheetohs from your keyboard, go enlist or STFU.
I'll pay a quarter mil for pictures of the pope getting his head hammered. Half a mil for footage.
http://rampagingpms.blogspot.com/2005/03/thursday-
hunk-bloggingyour-vote-counts.html">The hunk is far less interested in the state of the pope than in the nature of the next pope. We need another Pope John XXIII.
Ekcentric, he's really dead.
The vatican has made a public announcement.
Stick your head out the door...bells are ringing in every catholic church in town.
Why don't they pray for the poor or something the pope actually cared about?
OK. OK.
I'll go masturbate then say a prayer for the sperm I killed.
Interestingly, I read last night that the cardinal of milan is still considered in the running.
It's probably too much to hope for- but he's a pretty moderate guy.
well, those tags didn't work, it'd seem
Yes, the fake vicki really has the american peoples' best interests at heart, which is why he's behind the boy king 1000%. We've freed over 100,000 iraqis from their miserable lives, we must be winning since there are more of them dead than us. It doesn't seem to bother this idiot that we are giving up our own democracy to "bring it to others". Freedumb is on the march.
One of my daughters asked -- how do they select a new Pope? I know there's a vote of some kind, but are there nominations, or a short list, or what?
"The Pope was getting better. Then he died."
Back when I was in a med field, you wouldn't believe how often you'd see nurse's notes like this right before the person offed. "Patient reports feeling much better today"...then poof.
"The pope is seriously dead"
--Agitprop
As are the American casualties at Abu Ghraib.
Fucking war. I hate it.
Oh, and Veeta, get the jet ready. We're going to be in the funeral. How much did that knightship cost?
Better get good seats for that kind of money.
Breaking News
Bush appoints Richard Pearl as the new Pope. Joe Lieberman remarks, "the president once again displays his command of foreign policy."
Developing...
Stick your head out the door...bells are ringing in every catholic church in town.
That's funny.
I live in the south. There are only fundie churches in my earshot.
Okay, now ABC is saying there's been no official announcement. Sorry, now I'm confused, I just saw an archibiship saying a mass would be said tomorrow morning for him.
Maybe ABC fired all their interpreters.
Silleigh--they have an official period of mourning (I think about 9 days or so.)
Conclave has to meet no sooner than 15 days after the death of the Pope but no later than 20.
Did they remove the papal ring? If they removed the ring, he's really dead.
I know there's a vote of some kind, but are there nominations, or a short list, or what?
The cardinals meet and vote. They keep voting until someone gets a 2/3's majority of the ballot.
This was quite a unique type of Pope.
If you read any of his books or encyclicals from "Humanae Vitae" to "Crossing the Threshold of Hope," you'll see that this man truly lead his faithful in the valuation of life.
Tonight, I'm praying for all Eschatonians, not just those of you who are Christian, but for each of you, that Go will reveal himself to you in a real and unmistakeable way.
Please use John Paul II's passing as a time of reflection and renewal or bridge-building in your personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
And please pray for God's will to be done in the decision of the Holy See as to succession.
Personally, I'm pulling for Cardinal Francis Arinze, BUT...God's will.
Sallyh: I read somewhere in the past few minutes that the ring was removed.
Both MSNBC and CNN websites have stories up now, it looks like.
sallyh, I heard they removed the ring.
I assume they hit him on the head with the hammer too.
OK, Cnn.com has him dead for good now, with a picture of him looking more like yoda than JPII.
"Patient reports feeling much better today"...then poof.
Isn't there also something about an increase in appetite near the end?
This pope watch reminds me of the bring out your dead scene from Holy Grail .... "I'm not dead yet...I feel happy..."
Ding dong, the pope is dead.
That's the image I'm getting.
Anyone know anything about the selection of the next pope? I understand that in the past the process garnered a lot of attention among Catholics and that a lot of them will know something about the policies of the leading contenders.
I just worked on a film about a Conclave ( election of the holy c) and I learned the whole process is incredibly political . Stances are challenged and in some cases there have been fist fights. In 1400's ,Piccolomini started a row by suggesting the next pope belive in God !( not kidding )
Any of the faithful know where to find out more aboout who's on deck ?
Hopefully this one won't kiss the ground and walk on women .
Ding Dong! The Pope is dead.
Which old Pope? The Wicked Pope!
Ding Dong! The Pedophile-protecting Pope is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Gay-Bashing Pope is dead.
He's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below.
Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Misogynistic Pope is dead!
As Mayor of the Vatican City, In the County of the Land of Rome, I welcome you most regally.
But we've got to verify it legally, to see
If he is morally, ethic'lly
Spiritually, physically
Positively, absolutely
Undeniably and reliably Dead
And he's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.
Then this is a day of Independence
For all the freethinkers and their descendants
If any.
Yes, let the joyous news be spread--
The silly Old Pope at last is dead!
Stick your head out the door...bells are ringing in every catholic church in town.
Nur al-Cubicle - 3:21 pm
Ding dong the Pope is dead?
Tonight, I'm praying for all Eschatonians, not just those of you who are Christian, but for each of you, that Go will reveal himself to you in a real and unmistakeable way.
Who's "Go"?
Aside from this my name stealer's actually more polite and literate than I am.
Maybe I can get him to go to my girlfriend's parents house and fill in for me.
Please use John Paul II's passing as a time of reflection and renewal or bridge-building in your personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
I have a personal relationship with Christ? does that mean he's gonna come do my laundry or take me out for a beer?
Coolio!!
I think Richard Perle would made a fine pope, especially because he would be in a dress, and Lowry and other young conservatives would not have to unzip his pants before sucking him off.
Tonight, I'm praying for all Eschatonians, not just those of you who are Christian, but for each of you, that Go will reveal himself to you in a real and unmistakeable way.
I love that game!
Ok, I've now gone back and read the thread. 18 casualties could mean wounded but the sloppy way the maladministration uses it could be dead. And we'll never see any count on innocent Iraqis caught in the crossfire. Fuck fuck fuck fuckity fuck.
Unlike some here, I didn't hate old Karol, but the death of a sick old man is no tragedy. What's going on in Iraq is a tragedy and a travesty. Fuck Bush sideways with a chainsaw!
CNN
Pope John Paul II has developed a high fever and remains in a very serious condition,...
Well,I guess his temperature should start going down now.
Please use John Paul II's passing as a time of reflection and renewal or bridge-building in your personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
I have no, nor do I ever want a personal relationship with JC. I would never try to impose my religious beliefs on you.
Please use John Paul II's passing as a time of reflection and renewal or bridge-building in your personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Please don't advise anyone else. It's a real turn-off.
And please pray for God's will to be done in the decision of the Holy See as to succession.
God's will? Right.
And correction Ronjizz, at last count it was a couple million freed from Saddam's plastic shredders.
Read he history. Visit the people. Then speak.
In the interim, GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Fuck
msnbc:
WASHINGTON - A group of 40 to 60 insurgents attacked the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq late Saturday in a well-coordinated assault that inflicted 18 American casualties, U.S. military officials told NBC News.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, could not immediately provide a breakdown on the number of dead or wounded.
Fortunately, it appears they're using the actual definition of "casualty" rather than the one they've been using for the past couple of years, so 18 casualties are hopefully not 18 dead. I do wish the media would be consistent on this.
-Atrios 2:21 PM
You shouldn't have masturbated after posting that.
Isn't there also something about an increase in appetite near the end?
Cancer patients often rally a day or two before the end, sitting up, eating, chatting...
It's rather unnerving.
This cannot be happening. Attacks on Americans are down. US casualties are down. The AIF are on the run. We just captured Zarquwi's #2 man for the 17th time this year.
And correction Ronjizz, at last count it was a couple million freed from Saddam's plastic shredders.
"Plastic Shredders?"
Didn't we buy him good, metal shredders back in the 80s?
"Isn't there also something about an increase in appetite near the end?"
Dunno about that, pie. It was just wierd reading stuff like that so much. Guess the light at the end of the tunnel was a train.
All this Pope stuff seems so wierd to me. I remember in jr high a teacher asked me, 'is the Pope Catholic' and I had no clue whatsoever.
"that Go will reveal himself..."
And whom may I ask is this "Go"?
Sounds like a swinger to me.
Ignore the trolls and name stealers.
They're just pissed that the pope has pushed Terri off the front pages.
Oh the humanity! all that bile and no where to put it.
As I speak, here in the UK we have your Jerry Springer, on "Stars in their eyes" doing an Elvis impression. I kid you not. He is dressed up with the wig and everything.
'Wise men say, only fools fall in love' My head explodes!!!!!!!!!
Isn't there also something about an increase in appetite near the end?
I've heard that a terminal patient will sometimes rally briefly, and may request a favorite food or something like that. In my stepmom's case, she rallied when she found out that her kids were all due in the next day; she appeared to be well on the way out before that, according to the hospice provider who accompanied her home.
We just captured Zarquwi's #2 man for the 17th time this year.
And whom may I ask is this "Go"?
Just remember that Go is Og spelled backwards.
Ignore the trolls and name stealers.
I like my name stealer. It's about time I actually got one.
Then again, I could be a name stealer. You simply don't know.
Folks, don't forget: This weekend only, for a limited time, Eschaton is hosting a Special Edition "Ignore the Moronic Name-Stealing Brownshirt Fundie Fucks Million Dollar Weekend."
Thank you.
fourlegs, I have seen that happen more than once.
silleigh, exactly.
My dad did exactly that.
Our priest warned us that it might happen, so we were prepared, but it was strange.
I've just found a new name to steal...Pie.
Pie, if you weren't so hateful, I'd have never stubled on to you.
TJ--we need to get a sponsor for the later segment. I'll look.
I'd have never stubled on to you.
You'd never what?
Oh, dear.
Right now I'm praying for the Pope's soul as he gets ready to cross that threshold from this earthly world into paradise.
OK. I can't parody my name stealer that well.
For anybody who's curious about why they're praying for the Pope, doesn't everybody spend some time in Purgatory and don't prayers shorten it?
What do I know but this is what it says in Dante.
In the Pope's case, he's probably got enough people praying for him to speed him up the mountain really quickly but they still have to go through the motions.
And oh yeah. Fuck Bush.
PS - SWR, that was too good a post for me to continue stealing on you.
Maybe at some point in the future though.
Eschatonians
Not bad, but I think I prefer Atriots.
Eschaton regular = atriot
dKos regular = kossak
Temple of GW Bush regular = templar
Purgatory? Is that like Texas?
Is anyone else but me thinking that w and his neocon friends have just gotten bored with Iraq. I mean they have almost all moved on to other things and Rummy seems to be the only one paying attention to the war. And if he could, I bet he would bail out as well. We're just doing a holding action now it seems. And nobody talks about it. Just vague promises that soon the Iraqis will take over defense of their own country from their own citizens. It just doesn't make sense.
PS - SWR, that was too good a post for me to continue stealing on you.
Which one?
Can I steal my own name now?
I mean my God. You liberals are just happy that this good man has passed on and gone to be with Terri in Heaven.
Aren't you?
"..an increase in appetite near the end?"
Reminds me of the end of a pregnancy. You're so damn heavy and tired all the time. Then, six or seven hours before your start having contractions, you start painting your house, sanding sheetrock, scrubbing your kitchen floor and bleaching the caulking on the bathtub.
Now the cable blonde procession to Rome starts. Someone in another blog said that the Fox/MSNBC/CNN blondes will have wild sex parties in Rome for the next 2 weeks, while covering Pope's funeral. Cover Pope's funeral for 4 or 5 hours and have sex for 10 hours.
This will never do. MSM got two weeks out of Terri's demise and only two days for the Pope.
Move Falwell to the front of the queue.
Since when has Bush ever kept a promise?
He promised his wealthy friends and backers that he would cut thier taxes and...
Eschaton regular = atriot
Wrong.
Eschaton regular = eschatard
Is anyone else but me thinking that w and his neocon friends have just gotten bored with Iraq. I mean they have almost all moved on to other things and Rummy seems to be the only one paying attention to the war.
The assministration is preoccupied right now, preparing for this summer's invasion of Iran, as Seymour Hersch and Scott Ritter have been warning for months.
Please use John Paul II's passing as as a time of reflection and renewal or bridge-building in your personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Except that Catholicism does not advocate a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ." That is an invention of the evangelicals and fundamentalists. You know the churches. The ones that that preach, "Jesus wants you to have TWO Jet-Skis, TWO SUVs, and TWO off-road vehicles." The ones that tell their flocks to rise up against "activist judges" who uphold the Constitution. The ones who somehow reconcile a "culture of life with the death penaly.
My dad didn't rally at all - he just went to sleep and died. His hands were up on his chest, near his chin - I've read that often patients who are not quite conscious signal the end by a kind of knitting motion with their hands. My dad's body bore that out.
Now the cable blonde procession to Rome starts.
I have to admit that Chris Jansing has a face that almost looks like it could have been lifted from a Renaissance painting.
It was pretty fitting to see her looking somber in front of the Vatican.
But Keith Olbermann's newly found solemnity is kind of weird.
This is not on CNN - it is not on Yahoo News either.
Here's the whole Papal Succession thing for those interested.
http://tinyurl.com/3v8do
Again, what strikes me as odd is the desire most of you have for anyone, not only The Pope, Terri Schiavo or even The Unborn, to die as quickly as possible.
That alone drives a lot of people to the Repulican Party.
Why would I want a personal relationship with some SOB who kicked the bucket 2000 years ago? I mean, agreed that he did rally on the third day, sat up even. But that was it. You want to have a personal relationship with a dead man, that's a listing in the DSM-IV.
Thank goodness for the Food Channel and PBS, which is now airing a segment about Zingerman's in Ann Arbor.
Hmmmmm. Corned beef.
Purgatory? Is that like Texas?
spinoza - 3:38 pm
Purgatory is a little north of Texas metaphorically speaking.
Again, what strikes me as odd is the desire most of you have for anyone, not only The Pope, Terri Schiavo or even The Unborn, to die as quickly as possible.
You do realize sir that Terri Schiavo was being prepared as the Bride of John Paul in Heaven.
That's why we wanted the Pope to die quickly. Terri's waiting for him at the heavenly alter.
Dear Catholic,
You are a dumbfuck, who has read neither the Bible nor the Catechism, which says develop apersonal relationship with Jesus Christ AND read the Bible.
Fortunately, I am forgiven for calling you the dumbfuck that you are.
Now, either read them or "Shut the Fuck Up."
You're just being morbid. That's Latin for "Pope Days." It's a sort of carnival, doncha know.
Here I figured Bush would appoint Novak the next Pope. Someone who would get off all that commie "social justice" stuff and start fighting terra.
4LG, it does seem strange, but appears to be true in a lot of cases.
You often hear anecdotes about people apparently managing to put off death until something important they've been waiting for has happened, such as a family wedding. I've also heard, but can't back it up, that people who are ill commonly let go right after their birthday comes around.
It was hard for my stepmom to go probably because she was worried for a long time about my dad being able to take care of himself. He found, after she passed, that at some point she'd gone out and bought a black suit in his size, black socks (none of which he owned previously at this point in his life) and a new tie. Making sure he'd have something to wear to her memorial. He found out only upon going through his clothes, wondering if he even had a dark jacket to wear. The suit pockets were still baste-stitched shut, and the socks still had a sticker on them.
That's why we wanted the Pope to die quickly. Terri's waiting for him at the heavenly alter.
And may the heavenly altar too. She is waiting for the reintroduction of a "feeding tube".
I've read that often patients who are not quite conscious signal the end by a kind of knitting motion with their hands.
Yes. That's what my mother did. And she didn't rally at the end either.
I mean my God. You liberals are just happy that this good man has passed on and gone to be with Terri in Heaven.
Aren't you?
SWR
Happy? We accept the fact that he lived a long, long productive life and that it was his time to die.
As a youngster, I was taught the Catholic Catechism, and that our life here is nothing. Our life with God is what counts. "Why did God make you?" "God made me to be happy with him in heaven." That's what I was taught.
So if the Pope is happy with God in heaven, shouldn't we be happy?
Or is your question framed so that you can feel superior to those who are not tearing out their hair and keening over the death of the Pope?
Just wondering.
This is going to sound pretty bigoted and anti-Catholic (kind of like Rex Mortram in Bridehead Revisited) but I've never quite understood the whole Catholic idea of the "Resurrection of the Body".
Does it really happen?
And if it does, do I get my 25 year old body or my 80 year old one?
Does Terri get her fat 18 year old body. Her nicely slimmed down and newly anorexic 25 year old body or her brain dead drooling for the cameras body?
And no, I'm not a namestealer. What name stealer would quote Evelyn Waugh?
Chronic hatefulness is forgivable? Go figure...
Again, what strikes me as odd is the desire most of you have for anyone, not only The Pope, Terri Schiavo or even The Unborn, to die as quickly as possible.
I wish prolonged suffering on nobody, no matter what I may think of their politics or personality.
This Pope ...
--Anti war: good
--Presided over 30-year child sex abuse scandal: bad
--Went to Poland and super-charged the Solidarity movement: good
--Was anti-condom: bad
--Criticized BushCo for Iraq: good
--Met with Austrain President Kurt Waldheim: bad
--First Pope to visit a synagogue: good
--Never told his worldwide flock to lay off gays: bad
--First Pope to visit a mosque: good
I don't know if this is the real Pie or not, but their can be no desire for death because death happens naturally. You cannot stop death from happening. If you are alive you will one day die. What really suprises me about the Republicans trying to keep Mrs. Schiavo alive is that they were going directly against the will of God. You cannot submit to the will of God on things you like and ignore it on the things you don't like. You must truly submit to the will of God in total.
No, wait, isn't it just an act of desperation?
NTodd
Eh, it's just a few dead enders... Oh and remember you don't fight a war with the army you want, you fight it with the army you have!
And if it does, do I get my 25 year old body or my 80 year old one?
Sorry, everybody gets a body that looks like Buddy Hackett.
Ooooohh,
I wonder if SNL will resurrect Fr. Guido Sarducchi (sp?) for another game of "Find the Pope innada Pizza" (phonetic spelling).
I haven't seen that one since the original cast!
Actually, this pope behaved deplorably in retrospect. The man had access to every scientific mind on earth and the repository of the most comprehensive collection of modern thought in the world (there is No book you can't get in the Vatican Library) and he maintained a blind adherence to the most draconian power structure imaginable. Regardless of the march of time, his values remained rigidly in support of policies that in context permitted dreadful suffering. Refusing to permit contraception, even in the face of rampant HIV spread in catholic countries, was unforgivable. He cannot plead ignorance, but rather must be seen as a place holder for nothing more than the institution, far removed from its Christian source. That he did not insist that Priests accused of buggery be made to stand trial makes him again complicit in another corrupt circle of pain that has destroyed countless lives.He weilded power beyond any elected official ,and refused to let his faith progress.
I am certain he was held in warm esteem by his flock, and that's valuable in some sense I guess, but in modern terms, he was an embarrassing anachronism
that said , I feel sad for those now in loss and mourning.
Or is your question framed so that you can feel superior to those who are not tearing out their hair and keening over the death of the Pope?
Truthfully.
I stole my name stealers name and wrote a meta troll parody of what a right-wing troll would say and I wound up being a right wing name stealing troll stealing my name stealer's name which was my own.
Isn't there also something about an increase in appetite near the end?
Cancer patients often rally a day or two before the end, sitting up, eating, chatting...
It's rather unnerving.
fourlegsgood
Anyone see the opera "La Traviata?"
Violetta rallied at the end (sang a very difficult aria) then collapsed in a heap. Consumption.
but in modern terms, he was an embarrassing anachronism
Catholicism, for the most part, is an embarrassing anachronism.
SWR,
I'm so confused.
Dear Catholic,
You are a dumbfuck, who has read neither the Bible nor the Catechism, which says develop apersonal relationship with Jesus Christ AND read the Bible.
Fortunately, I am forgiven for calling you the dumbfuck that you are.
Now, either read them or "Shut the Fuck Up."
I don't think you're right on this one, Pie.
Or is your question framed so that you can feel superior to those who are not tearing out their hair and keening over the death of the Pope?
Nahhh, he's just being an asshole.
Listen people, the pope in heaven doesn't want you to feed the trolls.
(there is No book you can't get in the Vatican Library)
Bet they don't have the authorized of the spice girls, or how to cook roadkill...
Sorry, everybody gets a body that looks like Buddy Hackett.
spinoza | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 3:49 pm | #
Damn. If I become Jewish, can I have Brad Pitt's body in heaven?
I don't exactly know what Protestants believe but I'm assuming the more primitive variety of evangelical thinks your body's resurrected in some way.
We never talked about it in Lutheran Sunday school. They just said shut up and work on your coloring book.
Sarducci.
In Italian "ci" is pronounced CHEE.
and "chi" is pronounced KEY.
Monica, that's not our Pie.
But our psy-ops are going GREAT!
Mr. Praline: This is an ex-pope.
Cancer patients often rally a day or two before the end, sitting up, eating, chatting ...
True. Have seen it with my own eyes. My mom. Very confusing, as I was a little kid and thought, "Oh! She's getting better!"
On another note ... how is there a NATIONAL Shrine to the Immacuate Conception in D.C.?
Look a pics of Bush with Pope. Bush looks like a moron. Of course he will go to the funeral, despite the fact that JPII explicitly criticized Bush over Iraq. Bush has to shore up his hardliner Catholic base, after all.
ABC News reports Pope still dead.
Listen people, the pope in heaven doesn't want you to feed the trolls.
Does Thomas Aquinas have a discussion of trolling anywhere in his Opus?
I suppose there's a lot of talk about false prophets and such.
The ultimate name stealing troll. Setting yourself up as a savior when you're really the devil.
I stole my name stealers name and wrote a meta troll parody of what a right-wing troll would say and I wound up being a right wing name stealing troll stealing my name stealer's name which was my own.
Okay, who had the aspirin last?
If I become Jewish, can I have Brad Pitt's body in heaven?
Since when do Jews believe in an afterlife?
Really, I don't care that Bush is supposedly 'praying for the Pope' or thinks he 'respected human dignity.' Bush's opinions in this matter count for nothing, and should be treated as such.
A.Scott,
Spot on. The ban on artificial contraception was made by a very human pope. Jesus says nothing about it in the NT.
just checking the internets to see if anyone noticed they took 5 minutes out of the popewatch (80+ years old, it had to happen sometime) to let us know there were 18 casualties at abu grahib.
i'm not so sure about atrios' fortunate remark though. guess that would depend on the casualty.
culture of life, lovely.
and "chi" is pronounced KEY.
And "Fuck Bush" is pronounced, "Fukka dat Bush up dah cloaca with a corn cob."
Psychics tell us that everyone has a perfect 30 year old body in the afterlife.
Of course they're full of shit, so what do they know?
Since when do Jews believe in an afterlife?
I didn't know if they did or not. Most Jews I talk to say maybe but that they really don't know.
Thanks, fourlegsgood. That didn't read like Pie, but I had to respond because I'm sick of people thinking death is something you can run away from or stave off. It just happens.
Psychics tell us that everyone has a perfect 30 year old body in the afterlife.
Is this 30 years old in the Middle Ages or 30 years old in the days of health clubs, botox and plastic surgery?
I mean, without modern dentistry, you can lose an awful lot of teeth by the time your 30.
There's a "Pope Dies" banner up at MSNBC
How festive....
Thersites
These are the same people who did the "mission accomplished" them for Chimpy McFlightsuit, so we can't really be sure if he's in fact dead.
Father Guido Sarducci says this is a vatican city publicity stunt designed to get the Pope on-a-da-Wheaties box ... stay tuned.
Psychics tell us that everyone has a perfect 30 year old body in the afterlife.
can i have Selma Hyaks?
Terri's waiting for him at the heavenly alter.
SWR - 3:44 pm
Bummer. He should have opted for the 70 virgins as he exited from life.
Monica A,
Insanely naive and a simply wrong framing of the situation.
Everyone dies. However, medical science has learned ways to prolong the inevitable (hence the increase in life span over the last couple hundred years). In the case of catastrophic injury, medical science has enabled us to prolong life so that hope exists for the intervening years. That hope is that either physical/mental/medicinal therapy can help, or medical science will achieve a breakthrough that can help.
For the potential neurological breakthroughs, go see Scientific American Mind. They are happening every week.
Now, to argue that medical/scientific progress is counter to God's plan would make you a 7th Day Adventist.
Being a Seventh Day Adventist is OK...unless you want to go to Heaven.
So, fact is, the Pope lived as long as a body can.
Terri Schiavo lived as long as her scum-bag, adulterous "husband" wanted.
Does Thomas Aquinas have a discussion of trolling anywhere in his Opus?
Summa Trollologica?
I've also seen animals do the last day rally. My sister's 18 year old cat had been going downhill steadily for months. Then she decided she wanted to go out and walk through grass on a nice sunny day. I guess it was her last chance to enjoy the world. Shadow died the next day. I'm glad I was there to see her last hurrah.
Back on topic, The Independent's Robert Fisk current article is headlined "The US forces, like the Crusaders before them, are prisoners in their own fortresses: Sitting in Saddam Hussein's palace they can stare over the parapets but that is as much as most will ever see of Iraq"
Unfortunately, it's pay per view only, but looks like it would be an interesting read.
Bummer. He should have opted for the 70 virgins as he exited from life.
Do lesbian nuns count as virgins or technical virgins?
I'm not sorry John Paul II has died, if in fact he has. He was terribly sick. Terribly. He couldn't talk last time he made an appearance.
That's why I am happy for Terri Shiavo that she finally was released from the prison of a completely non-functional body and a completely artificial" life."
What I don't understand is why some people want to make death into a enemy. It is part of who each and every one of us is. No one gets out of here alive.
Look a pics of Bush with Pope. Bush looks like a moron. Of course he will go to the funeral, despite the fact that JPII explicitly criticized Bush over Iraq. Bush has to shore up his hardliner Catholic base, after all.
Catholic
Actually they're gonna send Cheney in the ski parka again ... even tho it's April
And for any smart ass trolls out there I've lost a 40 year-old to a seizure, a 26 year-old cousin to murder and a 59 year-old grandmother to stomach, liver, and brain cancer all within the past 6 years.
erri Schiavo lived as long as her scum-bag, adulterous "husband" wanted.
Pie
Dear Name Stealer,
What's your feeling about Rudi Giuliani?
I wish the media would, I dunno, cover this. The Pope's death is important but, a darned organized attack on Abu Grhaib, when we've been led to believe that the insurgents are nothing but car bombers and snipers, seems kind of, I don't know, important.
Dear Lord, now we have to listen to Bush eulogize the Pope and go on about the Culture of Life again????? (not that 18 or 20 new Iraqi casualties have anything to do with a culture of life. . . )
Really, I don't care that Bush is supposedly 'praying for the Pope' or thinks he 'respected human dignity.' Bush's opinions in this matter count for nothing, and should be treated as such.
What sallyh said.
storming is the fate of all bastilles eventually.
"Terri Schiavo lived as long as her scum-bag, adulterous "husband" wanted."
--Pie
Lighten up, Francis.
Bush's opinions in this matter count for nothing, and should be treated as such.
In this matter? In any matter.
What an idiot.
bring back maxwell's silver hammer to prove he's really dead:
'knock three times...'
hel-looooo, anybody ever hear the expression: 'positively medi-evil'?
argh.
a nun said this to me when jp visited the US and kissed the ground upon deplaning:
'did you hear the pope got it wrong -- he kissed the ground and walked on the women?'
spinoza; Actually ,and I have this from good inside sources , they ( the vatican Library) have the Spice Grils Limited DVD ( never released in N. America ) AND the full color tour book signed by Meatloaf...no , really !
This is the fuckin Vatican we're talking about ...they don't even look at Zappa re-releases...they have the big rolls of original Tape man !
I also hear that Waaaay in the back , just past the big crate holding the Arc of the Cov. they have 2 copies of the Japan Bootleg " Bay City Rollers" on eight track ...
we are talking quality for the ages here ...
Culture of Life is actually spelled "culture of White Li(f)e."
Hey it's my favorite Olaf glad and racist.
Good morning from your "Brothers" in Arms Olaf!
No one gets out of here alive.
Speak for yourself. I'm getting the Disney treatment and will live forever...
Pseudo-Pie,
It maybe naive, but it is simply a fact of life. There is nothing you can do to prevent death. How can you in all good consciousness keep someone alive who is will never recover only to satisfy you desire for them to be alive. To Every Season.
Oh he'p me Lawdy, SallyH is at it ag'in 'bout White Life!
What Orwell forgot in his famous line: "...It was the only time I witnessed a man paid to lie save for a journalist..."
He forgot religious leaders, whom with every line of the mythos, hatred, and prejudice they spread promote a world of lies.
I regret the death of John Paul II as a man, a fellow human being, an idealist who thought his way was correct; I do not mourn what he dressed in, what he enacted in his role in life.
Now let the media circus begin; hopefully a new Pope will be elected so FOX and its fascist allies can get back to the Michael Jackson trial on time.
18 dead or wounded in Iraq? If only they know how page 47 they really are here in 'Support the Troops' land...
"Speak for yourself. I'm getting the Disney treatment and will live forever..."
Could you make it the Bugs Bunny treatment? Disney is satanic.
Monica A, you're absolutely right. Most Catholics are praying for the Repose of the Soul and a God inspired succession.
I forgot what you were even on about in the first place.
Oh he'p me Lawdy, SallyH is at it ag'in 'bout White Life!
Pie | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 4:04 pm | #
Name stealing Pie.
As much as I enjoy your act, and as annoying as I find the real Pie, you have to learn a thing or two about trolling.
For example, you still have VickieStein@aol.com as your e-mail address from when you were stealing her name.
Clear your cookies and turn off autocomplete. Both have been the downfall of many an otherwise skilled troll.
Not so fast fellow Moonbats.
Senator Nine-lives-oops-Now-Eight-Now-Seven, Unicatbomber Fristina has just reviewed seven seconds of video tape of the Pope's body being taken to the Vatican Mortuary for prep.
Senator Frists-Of-Fury reports the Pope is, "Lookin' good! Responsive and Very Perky!"
So the Pope's got that going for him.
Could you make it the Bugs Bunny treatment?
What, you want me to dress up like a girl bunny?
This just in:
FOX poll shows 98% of dems hate Catholasism
Already they are broadcasting the pictures of naked GIs in pyramids
on Al Jazeera
Since Iraqis are humane, they will not use the dogs.
The Arab world is amused that GIs are not well-hung.
The small size explains US hostility towards better endowed Iraqis.
Fucking A gag.
The preznit is about to speak.
I hope he swallows his tongue and chokes on national tv.
Or else spontaneously combusts.
i wonder if any of the insurgents have purple fingers? - those soldiers are sitting ducks over there while colonel coward prepares to don his made-for-fundie TV cossack and eulogize and parasite off the man who prayed that he would not make this bloody fraudulent war- evil prick knows no shame...
What's your feeling about Rudi Giuliani?
And Newt Gingrich?
"What, you want me to dress up like a girl bunny?"
NTodd
Well, would you rather be blown up over and over like Wile E. Coyote?
Could you make it the Bugs Bunny treatment? Disney is satanic.
sallyh - Damn, you stole the thought right out of my head!
Someone better tell the BBC about the Pope. This is its headline:
Pope begins losing consciousness
No mention of the Abu Ghraib attack.
fourlegsgood - Ooh, either one would be good, but spontaneous combustion would be great!
Come on George, burst into flames.
In the past "insurgents" rocketed and attacked the prison because of rape and torture.
They should have torn the damn thing down way back when.
Damn.
He hasn't spontaneously combusted yet.
Further proof that there is no god.
Tena You Ignorant Slut!
You are simply too stupid for me to waste my educated opinion on.
Go study neurotherapy and cognitive science.
In about 12 years, come back and we can discuss.
Until then,everyone thinks YOU sould sucumb to death's sweet embrace.
98% of dems hate Catholasism
I can't hate it. I don't know what it is.
In the past "insurgents" rocketed and attacked the prison because of rape and torture.
If you attack a prison, does that mean you "hate freedom"?
Liberals are responsible for the death of Pope John Paul II.
Clear your cookies and turn off autocomplete. Both have been the downfall of many an otherwise skilled troll.
There ARE skilled trolls? I haven't seen any.
Was he just wearing blush?
"The preznit is about to speak."
--fourlegsgood
I sure as hell am not going to listen. He has nothing, nothing I want to hear.
bush to speak on pope's death soon. Wonder if he is gonna tell us how much the fundies hate catholics.
Actually, now that I think about it, his color was probably just high because he finds death exciting.
fourlegsgood - Ooh, either one would be good, but spontaneous combustion would be great!
Come on George, burst into flames.
Flames beginning at the pants, working their way up.
4:11 isn't me. I was watching television with my husband. Is this Pseudo-Pie, Tena, Vicki name-stealing me? This was so unexpected. I like to thank God, my heavenly father. Next my family (couldn't have done it without you mom and dad.) And finally, all the princes and princesses of Eschaton. You are truly the wind beneath my wings. God bless.
Well, would you rather be blown up over and over like Wile E. Coyote?
Why, yes...oh, you said "blown up"...
You are simply too stupid for me to waste my educated opinion on.
Good. Don't.
Bush is an idiot and should never ever speak in public again.
Get lost fake Pie, or at least develop a personal relationship with spellcheck.
Fuck a Bunch of Name Stealing Trolls!
On the other hand. Bush has been acquitting himself rather well lately.
M
There ARE skilled trolls? I haven't seen any.
Wile E. Odysseus | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 4:12 pm | #
I have noticed that the America's Memory/Ted Smith/Fake Pie style of troll tends to think he can use sheer posting volume to compensate for wit and insight into the trollees' style of writing.
Yes, you can get people to pay attention to you if you post 24/7. A genuinely skilled troll posts once and then watches people fight.
Alas, trolling is a lost art.
Monica A - don't worry - this one doesn't even try to hide it. Everyone can tell the difference.
For one thing, it can't spell.
Bush orders flags to half-mast?
Nevermind the 1535 dead American soldiers. Nevermind the dead journalists and aid workers trying to do something good in the midst of Bush's playground machismo-fest. Nevermind the dead coalition troops that were sent to Iraq because Bush is a fucking B-movie bully.
Weep, weep, America! Terri and John Paul are dead!
It's fucking pathetic....
bush to speak on pope's death soon.
Oh, the Masonic bretheran among our founding fathers and 19th century Presidents would be hi-fiving at a pope death. Who cares what Bush farts, er says, anyway.
This was so unexpected. I like to thank God, my heavenly father. Next my family (couldn't have done it without you mom and dad.) And finally, all the princes and princesses of Eschaton. You are truly the wind beneath my wings. God bless.
BWA-hahahahahahaha!
Tena,
I'm sorry for the 4:11 post by the troll using my name. Until the pest goes away I've logged off as of 4:15.
Actually, now that I think about it, his color was probably just high because he finds death exciting.
fourlegsgood
Mark Crispn Miller said the only time W seemed engaged during the '00 debates was when he talked about executing the guys who dragged that man to death in Jasper, TX.
"Ding Dong! The Pope is dead.
Which old Pope? The Wicked Pope!
Ding Dong! The Pedophile-protecting Pope is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Gay-Bashing Pope is dead.
He's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below.
Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Misogynistic Pope is dead!
As Mayor of the Vatican City, In the County of the Land of Rome, I welcome you most regally.
But we've got to verify it legally, to see
If he is morally, ethic'lly
Spiritually, physically
Positively, absolutely
Undeniably and reliably Dead
And he's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.
Then this is a day of Independence
For all the freethinkers and their descendants
If any.
Yes, let the joyous news be spread--
The silly Old Pope at last is dead!"
This pretty much sums up why most American voters hate liberals.
I'm glad you fucking jerkoffs are still enjoying your little circle jerk.
Just saw a report with John Paul's last words:
"... and yet, Falwell still lives."
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Bush's fly was at half-mast
Karl just got through blowing him (up)? for the speech.
Alas, trolling is a lost art.
Indeed. Where are the trolls of my youth? The ones that could handle a blade without slicing their tiny pee-pees' off?
Sad really. Another native american craft lost to industrialization and, well, stupidity.
I'm glad you fucking jerkoffs are still enjoying your little circle jerk.
Don't you go to hell for that under Catholic doctrine?
It *is* sex that doesn't lead to reproduction after all.
"...so 18 casualties are hopefully not 18 dead."
funny to see Liberals pretending to care.
Bush orders flags to half-mast?
Oh fer fuck's sake. Hold on, I'll summon Jefferson from the dead and give him a rocket-launcher. Didn't a certain pope condemn secular Constitutions 150 years ago? That bull hasn't been retracted.
Carlos,
Do you?
funny to see Liberals pretending to care.
Well I do care but I still have to know.
If the insurgents attacked a prison, does that mean they "hate freedom"?
Monica A - don't apologize for something a troll said. I knew it wasn't you.
Go and don't worry about it.
A genuinely skilled troll posts once and then watches people fight.
SWR,
You speak of legendary trolls, the likes of which we have not seen here lately.
Troll quality here has sunk so low that the meta-trolls usually out-perform them.
Maybe Karl should fire the current crop of trolls and hire the meta-trolls.
A genuinely skilled troll posts once and then watches people fight.
hat. Give the devil his due...
You are the wind beneath my skirt.
The Catholics were so supportive to my family in Europe during the holocaust that I don’t feel bad that they have taken over the TV from the fundamentalist Christians. My family was always amazed that the Catholics were able to say; those dirty Jews are hiding right over there, in so many different languages.
Soon enough, Wile E. They're being outsourced but you can barely detect the accent now.
Wile E. -- perhaps current troll quality has something to do with overseas outsourcing.
Is it true that you remain married forever in the after-life?
i find it interesting that the news that scrolls on the bottom of the screen on CNN,FOX,MSNBC is gone.
Troll quality here has sunk so low that the meta-trolls usually out-perform them.
Not to pat myself on the back, but I trolled my own name stealer and got more responses than he did.
My little "you liberals are angry the Pope is in heaven with Terri" remark was subtle, witty, not like the angry "that's why people hate liberals" remarks the real trolls are using as opposed to the troll trolls.
But I still think that nostalgia for old trolls gone by is often misleading. There were bad trolls back in the old days. We simply remember the good ones.
Just saw a report with John Paul's last words:
"... and yet, Falwell still lives."
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Barry from Alaska
The world has lost a champion of freedom
Sputter! Authoritarianism and infallibility. We've suspected all along that this is what Bush thinks freedom is.
Didn't a certain pope condemn secular Constitutions 150 years ago?
Leo XIII, IIRC.
Of course, he was doing his best to stave off the unification of Italy.
Didn't the Church come to terms with that later, if only through the Concordat with Mussolini?
JPII had two PhDs. How could Bush feel any affinity with him at all?
JPII had two PhDs. How could Bush feel any affinity with him at all?
They both need help to screw in a lightbulb?
Then again, JPII also packed leadership positions with hardline conservatives, so I can see how Bush would feel some affinity with that.
hat. Give the devil his due...
Backslider
Nah, hat is dumber than a box of rocks.
Eugene Whitetrash used to be able to stir up a pretty good argument because Eugene sometimes had something to say worth arguing about.
I sure Bush has several honorary doctorates.. At least 2 or 3 from Bob Jones University.
Ripley and Silleigh,
Word.
And you owe each other a Coke.
Is Heaven club med 24/7?
Is it true that you remain married forever in the after-life?
Ooh I hope so; that means I get 3 husbands for eternity. I think that would work out just fine.
Just saw a report with John Paul's last words:
"... and yet, Falwell still lives."
I thought it was regret over missing the NCAA semifinals tonight.
They both need help to screw in a lightbulb?
Say, how many Popes does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
None. The room turns around the bulb and not the other way around you friggin' heretic!
Soooo, Bush gets on the air within a matter of hours for the Pope.
Red Lake, MN? 10 dead, many wounded... response takes 5 days.
Screw in a lightbulb?
The pope doesn't screw!
I still don't understand why hat keeps putting quotation marks around "atrios". I mean, I understand why originally - the whole nonesense Sullivan raised about the A-man's "annonimity" - but, hell, even the other trolls make sure their specific references to "Duncan", like they've learned his true name and thus have power over Atrios. But hat does do the classic trolling technique of posting then splitting. No one pays attention anymore, I guess.
Critical Mass | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 4:30 pm | #
Hands up bike riding fiend!!!
I sure Bush has several honorary doctorates.. At least 2 or 3 from Bob Jones University.
Critical Mass - 4:28 pm
Is one of those a PhD in creationism?
the only time W seemed engaged during the '00 debates was when he talked about executing the guys who dragged that man to death in Jasper, TX.
Its true. Inoticed the same thing. The only time he was truly interested in what he was talking about was when he talked about the exectution of James Byrd's killers. It really stood out to me as being really creepy and disturbing.
The Pope doesn't screw!
I do now!
And you owe each other a Coke.
Great Minds Buy Each Other Cokes.
(Now, is it disrespectful in any way that we have just ordered pizza here, and that we in fact ordered it from Papa John's?)
Vulture news: the pope died of OLD AGE.
Geeze. Amazing.
Oh he'p me Lawdy, SallyH is at it ag'in 'bout White Life!
Pie | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 4:04 pm | #
Is this how you write dialogue for your Best Selling Historical Novels™? Because it's kinda hackneyed, ya know.
At least Bob Herbert last column was about how so called Christian Bushie likes to ignore the problem - NO problem to Bushie and his ethical administrative flock - what are a bunch of dead military man to that liar? Bush protects everyone of his loyalist but not the lowly foot soldiers and CIA members.
The two retired officers have lent their support to an extraordinary lawsuit that seeks to hold Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ultimately accountable for policies that have given rise to torture and other forms of prisoner abuse. And last September they were among a group of eight retired admirals and generals who wrote a letter to President Bush urging him to create an independent 9/11-type commission to fully investigate the problem of prisoner abuse from the top to the bottom of the command structure.
Big Oil would have been happier if Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld took fall seeing as how unpopular Western oil companies are getting in Mideast.
Ripley,
Bush is typical of someone who has been caught being late with his homework. He will be johnny on the spot for a while and then dribble back to his old ways.
Red Lake, MN? 10 dead, many wounded... response takes 5 days.
Well to be fair, they could see this one coming far enough in advance to start sneaking the Antabuse into his Wheaties and get him dried out sufficiently to talk in public without sounding like Foster Brooks.
So I wander in after a coupla days to see multiple- r*b is here. Dandy.
FWIW, Karol Wojtila, before he was a priest, was a writer and poet who fought the Nazis as part of the Polish Underground.
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"Soooo, Bush gets on the air within a matter of hours for the Pope.
Red Lake, MN? 10 dead, many wounded... response takes 5 days."
--Ripley
He's got an opportunity to say something about the 18 causualties at Abu Ghraib. Oh, fuck that, they're not the Pope.
Hands up bike riding fiend!
Dontcha mean "Bike riding TERRORIST," son?
As of 4:24 ET the front page of the CNN website still has no mention of the Abu Ghraib assult. But fear not, there are still stories on Terri Schiavo's autopsy, Students download in dorms, and the Final Four.
Joy!
"My little "you liberals are angry the Pope is in heaven with Terri" remark was subtle, witty, not like the angry "that's why people hate liberals" remarks the real trolls are using as opposed to the troll trolls.
But I still think that nostalgia for old trolls gone by is often misleading. There were bad trolls back in the old days. We simply remember the good ones."
No, go fuck yourself. Your fucking circle jerk buddy just completely made fun of a man's death, a man largely responsible for the downfall of Communism (which is you're probably still longing for), and a man who is revered by millions. So no, we aren't trolling. We're telling it like it is. This site is nothing more than a bunch of angry, screeching, under-medicated liberals whining and bitching as if they have nothing better to do. So go fuck yourself asshole.
Red Lake, MN? 10 dead, many wounded... response takes 5 days.
There are lots of Catholic voters out there and he'll need them in the 06 Congressional elections.
"...so 18 casualties are hopefully not 18 dead."
funny to see Liberals pretending to care.
FWIW, Karol Wojtila, before he was a priest, was a writer and poet who fought the Nazis as part of the Polish Underground.
There's no question that the Catholic church was instrumental in helping the Poles maintain their national identity against Hitler, then Stalin.
But this is the United States not Poland and the kind of social conservatism/nationalism that often looks noble when it allows a small, weak nation to keep a sense of itself becomes obscene when a superpower adopts it.
JPII was simply not qualified to help lead the Catholic church into some kind of relevence in the USA and that's why it's not suprising that they're losing people to the Evangelicals.
I sure Bush has several honorary doctorates..
i myself have heard bush being nominated many times at Fuck U
"This was obviously a very well-organized attack and a very big attack," he said.
Makes me wonder how many of these guys were trained by American forces in the early days of rebuilding the Iraqi army.
Does anyone speak Italian?
The word "Papa" can mean "Daddy" or "Pope," depends on which syllable you emphasize.
Does anyone know which way the emphasis goes when saying "Pope?" Is it PApa -- or paPA?
I suspect the first, but if anyone knows ....
This site is nothing more than a bunch of angry, screeching, under-medicated liberals whining and bitching as if they have nothing better to do. So go fuck yourself asshole.
Another victory for Eschaton | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 4:35 pm | #
Maybe in ten years you can tell your grandkids how you mourned your beloved "Vicar of Christ" by spewing anger on a leftish/secular website.
Fie on you and your self-indulgent spew.
Old Man,
Yes, James Byrd.
I drew a blank on his name, sad to say, and decided not to take time to find out what it was before clicking the "OK" button.
Since Bush creeps me out in general, to the point that I can't watch or listen to his speeches (unlike Reagan and Poppy, whose speeches I could listen to), I hadn't particularly remembered that moment, IIRC, until I read the Bush Dyslexicon when it came out ayear or two after the debates.
(This thread is now two hours old; with no javascript, I can't see the comment count. Remind me to never again make small, slightly smartassed comments about Atrios and espresso, please.)
TOMFS54 - There are lots of Catholic voters out there and he'll need them in the 06 Congressional elections
Yeah, Native Americans don't vote Repug as a rule. Why should Bush acknowledge those deaths in a timely manner?
Worst. President. Ever.
JPII was simply not qualified to help lead the Catholic church into some kind of relevence in the USA and that's why it's not suprising that they're losing people to the Evangelicals.
Might have been a bit more welcoming to liberation theology, too. Wouldn't have hurt.
a man largely responsible for the downfall of Communism
you wouldn't say that to mickey reagan's face... haha trolls are even angry in sadness -fucking insane
In Heaven there is no beer.
That's why we drink it here.
a man largely responsible for the downfall of Communism
So the Pope (or is it Reagan) gets the credit for the downfall of Communism.
Does either also have some responsibility for the corrupt gangster state that took it's place in Russia?
Or do they get a pass on that one?
This post is nothing more than an angry, screeching, under-medicated troll whining and bitching as if they have nothing better to do. So go fuck yourself asshole.
That mirror's a bitch, ain't it?
And no, I don't care that the pope is dead. Was he supposed to live forever like a damned vampire? Christ, the man was 84 yrs old.
Bush does have an honorary degree from Sam Huston Institute of Technology.
Good old S.H.I.T.
Come on..you knew this was coming
Well, just a damn minute - while John Paul II, in his former incarnation, did fight the Nazis in Poland, it is also true that the Church didn't do much to fight them otherwise. And some in the Vatican did help some Nazis get out of Germany when the end came. At least, that is what I've read in more than one place.
Gita Sereny talks about that in a couple of her books on the Third Reich. There was also an expose of it in Vanity Fair maybe 3 years ago, now.
Does anyone know which way the emphasis goes when saying "Pope?" Is it PApa -- or paPA?
I know a little Italian. Enough to say that it should be PApa.
Just as the island in the Bay of Naples should be pronounced CAPri, not CaPREEE as it is in this country.
But that's judging more from the usual practice of emphasizing the first syllable of two-syllable words in Italian, so I could have it wrong.
Robert - Might have been a bit more welcoming to liberation theology, too. Wouldn't have hurt.
*sigh* yes, indeed. Thinking on that kind of went backwards.
SWR sez:
JPII was simply not qualified to help lead the Catholic church into some kind of relevence in the USA and that's why it's not suprising that they're losing people to the Evangelicals.
Oh, no disagreement here. As a part-Pole and a student of the county's history I wanted to stick in there that he did a great job killing Nazis. That's always a good thing.
But as Pope he, in many ways, took the church back to pre-Vatican II days. And his obsession with making the Hitler-sympathetic Pius XII (or XIII?) a saint was especially disturbing considering his first-hand knowledge of the Nazis.
full disclosure: I'm not RC.
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Chaos in Iraq...not in the news.
Army of One---that is all who will be left.
So the Pope (or is it Reagan) gets the credit for the downfall of Communism.
Actually, I have seen some pretty good arguments that the TV show Dallas did more to accelerate the fall of communism than the Pope or Reagan.
I've been studying on this all day, and while I'm certainly not a Catholic - hard to be that and a Southern-Baptist-turned-agnostic at the same time - I think JPII did some interesting stuff in regards to the Catholic Church as a whole. He made steps towards healing schims and disputes with Islam, Judaism and even the Eastern Orthodox church. For the most part, he was relatively sceince friendly, too. If I recall correctly, Stephen Hawking wrote of an annecdote where he and several other respected theoretical physicists met with the pope and discussed possible spiritual ramifications of what said physicists were studying. Basically, Hawkings said he was cool with the whole stuff of the cosmos thing as long as they don't go saying "Well, that's what God's address is" or "Well, that about wraps it up for God, doesn't it." For what it's worth, most serious scientists really don't fool with the idea of faith that much. Also, if I recall correctly, he said evolution wasn't contradictory to God. And hell, he even got around to letting Gallileo off the hook.
That being said, I definately have strong issues with his stances regarding contraception, women's rights and gay rights. Still, within the context of the Catholic Church as both a governing body and as an institution, you can really only ask for so much, ya know? But again, I'm not Catholic, so it really doesn't have any bearing on me one way or another what he says, cause I don't pay attention to preachers anymore.
And you know who else I've been studying on? John Paul I. That poor bastard...apparently a sweetheart of a cat who just wasn't prepared for the job ahead of him and basically got the gig because he was the safest choice (different camps - liberal, conservative, Italian versus international pope, and so forth) they had at the time.
Robert - Might have been a bit more welcoming to liberation theology, too. Wouldn't have hurt.
Well it was the inability to adapt your methods (or the lack of willingness to care) to different places.
The Communists were the oppressers in Poland.
In Latin America the situation was a bit more complex. Dogmatic anti-communism simply didn't apply. The men who shot Oscar Romero weren't Communists. The men who shot Jerzy Popiełuszko were.
Apparantly dry, itchy, flaky scalp is bad for the environment. Hippies the world over "bummed" at news.
In Heaven there is no beer.
That's why we drink it here.
MisterX | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 4:40 pm | #
"Last night I dreamed/That I passed from the scene/And went to a place so sublime.
"Oh, the water was clear and tasted like beer, but they turned it all into wine."
-- Tom T. Hall
Ladies and gentlemen, may I remind you that you're in the middle of a "Ignore the Moronic Name Stealing Troll Moronic Brownshirt Fucks Million Dollar Weekend!"
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I have noticed that the America's Memory/Ted Smith/Fake Pie style of troll tends to think he can use sheer posting volume to compensate for wit and insight into the trollees' style of writing.
*pats SWR on the back*
Well done; just wandering by as I occasionally do, and was about to say "Fuck me, is that insane asshole STILL at it nearly 6 months after I stopped posting?!", but I'm glad to see at least one person recognises the style again... It's not Rob, guys and gals, I reckon it's STILL The Poster Formerly Known As America's Memory. Let's go through the AM checklist, shall we?
Pretending to be skilled in multiple disciplines, but effective in none? *check* (Indeed, laugh mightily at someone who tries to lecture you all on History, but doesn't realise that the Napoleonic Wars happened in the 19th, not 17th/18th Century... the 17th Century is the 1600's, you cretin! Bua ha haaa!)
The misogyny and Pie/Tena/Vicky obsession? *check*
The hours long obsessional posting? *check*
The endlessly shifting claims to his ideological leanings? *check*
The namestealing, to the point where he starts forgetting to change secondary details? *check*
The pathetic attempts to claim he's only copying you, when he first started name stealing nearly 4 years ago now? *check* (Hey, ha ha ha, remember that time he tried to claim I'd posted some insane nonsense, but he linked to a post he'd made under my name... and he forgot to check the email/homepage which clearly showed it was him? )
And on and on the dance of madness goes... Christ almighty AM, don't you have anything in your life worth doing more than this? Dont you even get just a tiny twitch of guilt when you realise you've spent so many, many years on this pointless obsession?!
Oh well, he'll still be here in another 6 months, no doubt, still doing the same tired old things: So best not to waste any more thoughts on him I guess; Heaven knows I've been too busy enjoying my own life to give him another thought. Hope you Eschatonian guys and gals are all well... and see you whenever again!
I know a little Italian. Enough to say that it should be PApa.
That's right. paPA is daddy, PApa is big-hatted holy daddy. Same spelling.
"Carlos"-troll = Useless Timewaster™
We care more than you, fascist. Go play with your Freeper buddies and their toy soldiers.
*ptew*
And BTW, A Public Service Announcement: Daylight Savings Time ends tomorrow, so don't forget to set your clocks ahead one hour.
Please also set your calendars back to 1453.
Backslider,
JP I showed potential of becoming another John XXIII, a real reformer. And then he died mysteriously.
Go figure.
When the news broke about the troops in Iraq not having sufficient personal or vehicle armor Bushboy was running around the USA giving his spiel for "tort reform."
Rumdum dismissed any questions about an armor shortage with the idiocy, "You go to war with what you've got!"
Pentagon spokespeople afterward alleged that it takes time for the manufacturer to gear up to add to the armor inventory.
"Not so!" said the manufacturer. All we need is an order from the DOD and armor could be produced and shipped forthwith!
While all of this was going on Bushboy continued his "tort reform" crusade. Meanwhile more US soldiers died or were dismembered due to a lack of armor.
But when the Religious Right called Bushboy back to DC to "save" the long braindead Terri Schiavo, the depraved moron came running and mumbling his "culture of life" mantra as he signed the Gooper stooge Congress legislation to intrude the federal government in a state's rights and family rights issue.
Synonyms for "hypocrisy:" Bushboy, DeeeLay and Gooper!
Since Bush creeps me out in general, to the point that I can't watch or listen to his speeches
Know what you mean. He rubbed me the right way from the start, & after the 2000 campaign I couldn't stand hearing his voice anymore. The last speech of his I sat through was the SotU in 2002, the stupid "Axis of Evil" speech which the final straw for me. No redeeming value as a person or as a leader whatsoever.
Wile E. Odysseus & Warren Terra
Grazie, grazie...moulti grazie.
Tena sez:
Well, just a damn minute - while John Paul II, in his former incarnation, did fight the Nazis in Poland, it is also true that the Church didn't do much to fight them otherwise. And some in the Vatican did help some Nazis get out of Germany when the end came. At least, that is what I've read in more than one place.
See my response to SWR.
I have no patience with the apolgists for Pius XII. And I don't much like the RC church as an institution (yes, they do a lot of good work, but as Jeffers mentioned JPII's crushing of Liberation Theology was not good...among many other things.)
Oh, and you women have the devil in you. JPII said so so it msut be true. [/snark]
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Yeah, Native Americans don't vote Repug as a rule. Why should Bush acknowledge those deaths in a timely manner?
Exactly. I am convinced the man is a sociopath.
why are they quoting a 1st lieutenant in that msnbc article? isn't there someone higher ranking they could talk to?
Hey, the Pope died. Oh, wait. I guess everyone already knows that. Time to leave the television off. It's going to be back to back Pope history for the next couple of...
Backslider, I think John XXIII was the best pope in modern times.
SWR -
How'd'ya do the Polish "w" (Popie?uszko)?
I wanted to spell "Wojtila" correctly but didn't have the energy to figure it out!
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Please also set your calendars back to 1453.
driftglass - you have such wit. I'm glad you're around. I loved your post that gilliard pulled out of comments last weekend and posted. I picked it up and posted it at F-D - it was stunningly funny and true.
Dr. Pendent,
Yeah, that's been said, but from what I understand, he spent so little time on the job (just 33 days or something close), that's just suposition. I think that stems from his problems with the contraception deal when the whole Humanae deal was being kicked around. There's been a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding his death - a lot of stemming from a lack of an autopsy and a suspiciously quick embalmbing - but best I can figure is the dude was simply too sick for the job, and it was way too much for him.
Still, he seemed like a sweet dude. First pope to chaff somewhat at all the pomp and majesty of the papal throne, not wanting to ride in the tricked-out cart or wear the big post-hole digger hat. Like Mr. Rogers became pope, just a good-natured type of cat.
-- Tom T. Hall
Backslider
Haw haw! That's great!
Hey, America's Nemesis! Good to see you again! I miss your highly instructive troll dissections. All the best to you and yours!
Weird, I thought "atrios" had abandoned his we-care-for-the-troops schtick after the election?
They're just a bunch of redneck Jesus-loving redstaters, you know. The people you and your flock so love to hate so much.
Backslider - "post-hole digger hat"
Best description I've ever seen for it.
"hat",
Lighten up, Francis.
Verily I say unto thee. The death of the White Pope is a sign of the End-times. The hour of judgement is at hand.
"they're just a bunch of redneck jesus loving redstaters, you know."
-hat
check the casualties by state, moron.
a man largely responsible for the downfall of Communism
So the Pope (or is it Reagan) gets the credit for the downfall of Communism.
Does either also have some responsibility for the corrupt gangster state that took it's place in Russia?
Or do they get a pass on that one?
SWR
A good deal of the credit for the downfall of Communism, IMHO, should go to a man who died a couple of weeks ago, the late George Kennan. He persuaded the Truman administration to adopt containment as a strategy for dealing with the Soviet Union, and Truman's eight successors through Bush pere never substantially departed from that policy down to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the break-up of the Soviet Union.
Kennan intended containment to be largely political in nature; he never urged large-scale military interventions in the Third World or massive arms build-ups, so I wouldn't blame America's missteps in waging the Cold War entirely on him.
I guess, SWR, to answer your question about whether Reagan or John Paul II won the Cold War, that we need to follow more closely what the telescreen is telling us.
Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
Another rude, disrespectful and policically calculated move by Bush. He should have waited until the ceremony taking place outside the vatican was over before making his public statement. It was only another 30 mins.
Istead of being respectful he decided to take advantage of the fact that so many people's attention was focused on the coverage of the Pope's death. He decided it would be a great time to be seen by a much larger audience than normal. So he didn't wait. The networks were forced to divert coverage for a few mins from the Pope and the Vatican to him.
It's not like it was even neccessary for him to make a public statement anyway. God, I hate that man.
Backslider, I think John XXIII was the best pope in modern times.
mike in pr | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 4:55 pm | #
Not having any faith-type dog involved in this particular hunt, I wouldn't presume to make any judgement calls on that topic. I just think Church history's interesting (especially around the turn of the first millenium or so).
However, that's the Vatican II guy, right? Yeah, he got a lot of stuff done, and between him and JPII, the Catholic Church heirarchy's up to almost the mid-twentieth century. It's just my own particular stroke on the matter, but seeing as I don't put much stock in organized religion in the first place, I'll take the good with the bad as far as it goes.
At 2.30 am don't forget to set your clocks back. If you're at the bars, you'll have an extra hour of drinking.
EUUUUGHH! Someone just (s)hat!
the fact is there aren't enough redneck jesus loving redstaters to staff an army. you aren't a majority. you just whine really loud.
The Communists were the oppressers in Poland.
In Latin America the situation was a bit more complex. Dogmatic anti-communism simply didn't apply. The men who shot Oscar Romero weren't Communists. The men who shot Jerzy Popiełuszko were.
Actually, broadly speaking (as we are here), the situation was essentially the same in either place: oppression of the poor and marginalized.
Liberation theology was about recognizing that God was among the people. Not exactly a radical idea, seeing as it goes back to Moses, if not to Abraham. I can think of many political reasons why it was not seen as the same struggle in Poland as in Latin America. None of them, however, are really valid in light of the critique of political systems in liberation theology.
My Protestant bent wants to blame it on Catholic sympathies to power structures, but then, any Protestant church that gets a chance to run things, takes it with both hands, and does just as bad a job. Liberation theology is about reversing that trend. Which, basically, is why institutions don't like it.
Given the choice, IOW, Protestants would have done no better by it.
Oh, and I want to see some real controversy over the the selection of the next Pope. Indeed, I want a good old-fashioned schism. A Pope in Rome and a Pope in Avignon.
France could use the attention.
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At 2.30 am don't forget to set your clocks back. If you're at the bars, you'll have an extra hour of drinking.
How I wish DST worked that way...
Nice caption to go with the report of attack on Abu Ghraib:
A group of Iraqi girls smile at U.S. Army rangers who setup a checkpoint in West Baghdad, Iraq, Saturday, April 2, 2005. A car bomb exploded Saturday in central Iraq, killing five people, including four police officers on patrol, while gunmen killed an education official in Baghdad. A U.S. Marine was killed in Ramadi, the military said (AP Photo/Jerome Delay)
What would we do without our crack msm who so ably frost the shit pie that the "Iraq War" is?
So the Pope (or is it Reagan) gets the credit for the downfall of Communism.
Does either also have some responsibility for the corrupt gangster state that took it's place in Russia?
Or do they get a pass on that one?
well, Bush is getting a pass for the "non-state" in Iraq, so....
Seems to be that on balamce JPII did more good than harm during his life and that is something to respect.
JPII is reall the only Pope I've known. Being 12 and not Catholic I never gave the Pope any thought until the old Pope died and they got a new one, and then the new one died.
I'm moved by his passing because he was a part of history and whatever else he may have failed to do, he was on the right side of many of the geopolitical changes of the past 25 years.
Both Pope John XXIII and President John Kennedy died in 1963. Since then it's been all downhill for chuch and country.
"I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth."
John Paul II simply didn't care about liberating poor people in Latin America. At the same time he was a champion of freedom in Poland and the rest of Europe he was refusing to see Oscar Romero. There are a lot of people who saw his turning Romero away, literally at his door, an invitation to his killers.
America's Nemesis - I have missed you so much. The trolls have been atrocious lately. They must have gotten wind of the fact that you weren't around.
I thought that Afghanistan "won the cold war". Seriously - the Soviet Union got bogged down in Afghanistan and had to spend a fortune there (sound familiar?).
The cold war was over the moment it was clear Japan and Germany recovered economically.
"I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth."
And then we took that sword away from him, and we showed him how to do it right! [/Zappa]
Does either also have some responsibility for the corrupt gangster state that took it's place in Russia?
No thats Bush I who gets the "credit" for that. After Bush's term is over (or preferably after he is impeached in the spring of 2007) I hope that no member of that family EVER holds State or National office ever again.
But that's judging more from the usual practice of emphasizing the first syllable of two-syllable words in Italian, so I could have it wrong.
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you got it right. and note it is Il Papa. Irregular.
Tena,
Thanks. Gilly noodged me (several times) into opening up a little place of my own. A few sticks of furniture, simple bachelor-cooking, trance-techno-cowbells on the stereo.
Whoever mentioned it above, Humanae Vitae was written by Paul IV. It was a disaster but Paul IV was actually a much better pope than he is generally given credit for. It is tragic that he is remembered for this one foolish capitulation to the conservatives.
Cardinal Ratzinger tells us that there is no sex in heaven. But that we will always remain either men or women, whatever we happen to be on earth. Which to me sounds like a really bum deal. That's why I intend to go elsewhere when I die, probably planet Pluto.
“Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon....the cup of the wine of the fierceness of God’s wrath"
spork_incident - A Pope in Rome and a Pope in Avignon.
And one of has to be a woman.
Holy shit, this psycho (america's nemesis) is still around? i thought he had swallowed some sleeping pills or something... and still accusing all passersby of being americas memory. jeezus h christ.
spork_incident - A Pope in Rome and a Pope in Avignon.
And one of has to be a woman.
Two Popes: No Waiting.
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Don't let Cardinal Ratzinger put you off of heaven. Some of us think he has been doing all he could to make life hell here.
I'm not up on my JP I conspiracy theories. In fact, I'm so behind the times that the one I'm most familiar with linked his death to the scandal in the Banco Ambrosiano. I'm sure that's not what the kewl tinfoil hatters are talking about any longer.
But...how the hell did they get the Pope to die just at the right time to distract from the Abu Ghraib attack?
Come on George, burst into flames.
Flames beginning at the pants, working their way up.
Prince Georgie screaming like a girl and flailing about like Pee Wee Herman!
What a pleasant mental image
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/0.../
03baghdad.html
Iraqi Politicians Complain of Flaws in Interim Law
...but they all had purple index fingers? Doesn't that mean the election was successful?
one of them has to be a woman.
driftglass - great looking blog, seriously. I'm glad you set up housekeeping.
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever"
Both Pope John XXIII and President John Kennedy died in 1963. Since then it's been all downhill for chuch and country.
Cybernetic Ghost of Xmas Past
Is this the part where you start calling him "Nemmy"?
Echidne - Cardinal Ratzinger tells us that there is no sex in heaven. But that we will always remain either men or women, whatever we happen to be on earth. Which to me sounds like a really bum deal. That's why I intend to go elsewhere when I die, probably planet Pluto.
Well, if I don't make it to the 2d circle of Hell with the rest of the lustful, I'm going with you.
I'm not up on my JP I conspiracy theories. In fact, I'm so behind the times that the one I'm most familiar with linked his death to the scandal in the Banco Ambrosiano. I'm sure that's not what the kewl tinfoil hatters are talking about any longer.
Wile E. Odysseus | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 5:12 pm | #
That was in one of the Godfather movies, wasn't it? I forget the most recent theory...I think it's he was whacked - poisoned, most likely - because he wanted to radically change Church positions on abortion and birth control. I don't think that's it, though. From what I've read most recently, JPI was in pretty poor health when he got the nod and complained of feeling unwell the day before his death, including symptoms of or leading to a heart attack.
Or perhaps it was The Clenis...
So is that Incog posting all the religious mumbo jumber? I doubt it.
spork_incident - A Pope in Rome and a Pope in Avignon.
And one of has to be a woman.
Two Popes: No Waiting.
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driftglass
Hey, when the Blackadder was deposed as Archbishop of Canterbury, the decree was signed by all THREE Popes.
I think we should hold out for no less.
Anyone ever been to Avignon. Incredible place. Best onion soup ever.
Is this the part where you start calling him "Nemmy"?
no, this is the part where he starts posting five page meandering diatribes on the nature of trolling and its many antidotes. also remembrances of flame wars he's had with like 9 different guys who he amalgamates & imagines as one idealized "nemesis" -- symptomatic of paranoid schizophrenia. what a nutball. flame on, kook!
Hey, when the Blackadder was deposed as Archbishop of Canterbury, the decree was signed by all THREE Popes.
I believe that should be the Baby-eating Archbishop of Canterbury.
That was in one of the Godfather movies, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was in III.
the pope. a nice enough fellow... but always pontificating.
Cardinal Ratzinger......
I find no reason to refer to these people using titles.
no, this is the part where he starts posting five page meandering diatribes on the nature of trolling
Well America's Nemesis - (blessings be upon him) certainly rang someone's bells.
hee hee.
The main reason the USSR no longer exists is because for the first time in Communist Russia history, they had a man at the head of government named Gorbachev, who wouldn't order the Red Army to crack-down on their satellite people's who were rebelling in Poland and E. Germany.
Raygun was just standing around at the time taking pee, but of course, the Goopers have ridiculously claimed all credit for the fall of the USSR to the affable idiot.
Hmmm...it's gonna be all Pope all the time for a few days. Be a great time for GWB to declare martial law, suspend the Constitution, disappear the few (name one) Dems left in Congress with spines, reveal that the Repug leadership are all alien brain suckers from the Crab Nebula, etc etc.... CNN will just crawl it across the bottom of the screen once, while some blonde newsbabe flashes her nipple shield, and their journalamistic duty will have been done.
From what I've read most recently, JPI was in pretty poor health when he got the nod and complained of feeling unwell the day before his death, including symptoms of or leading to a heart attack.
Backslider,
I don't doubt that you're right that it was natural causes. Thanks for bringing me up to date on the conspiracy theories.
I'm sure Faux would say it was the Clenis™.
JP I showed potential of becoming another John XXIII, a real reformer. And then he died mysteriously.
I seem to recall reading that he died because he did not take his heart medications. He was in Rome while the medications were where he had been cardinal. Seems silly but that is what I remember. Anyone else remember this?
Tena & driftglass:
Pope Joan II !!!
Wile E. sez:
Hey, when the Blackadder was deposed as Archbishop of Canterbury, the decree was signed by all THREE Popes.
I'm a little rusty on Papal history but I seem to recall that during the Great Schism there were three Popes (briefly).
Or am I conflating Blackadder with reality? Wouldn't be the first time.
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At 2.30 am don't forget to set your clocks back. If you're at the bars, you'll have an extra hour of drinking
Nope. Spring forward, Fall back.
Set the clocks forward one hour at 2:00 am tonight!
Just dropped by to say that. No namestealers, please.
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Haven't read the whole thread, so this has probably already been said, but we won't get 24 hour coverage of whether those wounded are going to die. The wackos who worried so much about Ms. Schiavo won't spend 5 minutes worrying about these deaths. And Bush, who if he truly tried to err on the side of life would have let the UN inspectors finish their jobs before going to war, won't rush back from Texas to the WH to attend to these wounded soldiers nor will he attend any of their funerals. Culture of life my ass.
There are more than a few priests and nuns who call him "the Rat". I don't have much contact with the levels above that.
It is very unlikely that he will be elected. Even a lot of Cardinals resent his efforts in centralization of church authority. This papacy will not be remembered for democracy. If the Cardinals make the mistake of electing him there will be a major schism.
Or perhaps it was The Clenis...
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Of course. Wasn't he studying at Oxford during that time. Oxford, the Vatican, hey they're both in Europe. He could snuck over and whacked the pope and still have been able to take his early morning class.
Back to Avignon. I stood in front of the palace at about 11:00 p.m., it was deserted. I actually felt a rush turmoil and felt couriers rushing delivering important messages, leaving a whoosh in their wake. Maybe it was too much wine and onion soup, but no other place actually transported me back in time.
I was in Avignon several summers ago.
It's a charming little town, and the old Church, which was once the "other" home of the Pope during the schism, is heavily visited.
I didn't have soup because it was summer, but I enjoyed the bread.
The main reason the USSR no longer exists is because for the first time in Communist Russia history, they had a man at the head of government named Gorbachev, who wouldn't order the Red Army to crack-down on their satellite people's who were rebelling in Poland and E. Germany.
So good it had to be said again. Not one American in a hundred remembers Gorbachev. But they should.
Meanwhile, the movement to put St. Ronnie of the Drool on Mt. Rushmore--what ever became of that?
The main reason the USSR no longer exists is because for the first time in Communist Russia history, they had a man at the head of government named Gorbachev, who wouldn't order the Red Army to crack-down on their satellite people's who were rebelling in Poland and E. Germany.
Excuse me, was it not the case that he couldn't very well order the Red Army to crack down since the Red Army was bogged down in Afghanistan?
Hey, when the Blackadder was deposed as Archbishop of Canterbury, the decree was signed by all THREE Popes.
I believe that should be the Baby-eating Archbishop of Canterbury.
I think that was the Baby-eating Bishop of Bath and Wells, to whom the Elizabethan Blackadder owed money, and whom he fended off by drugging and having paintings made of the Bishop in a compromising position.
I was talking about the first one, whom his father made Archbishop so the dying would stop giving their lands to the Church and give them to the King instead.
All this just in time for made for the upcoming television Revelations movie.
Meanwhile, the movement to put St. Ronnie of the Drool on Mt. Rushmore--what ever became of that?
the bitter Dr. Pedant |
they had to abort- they couldn't find a material dense enough for the head...
Anyway, onto more important things.
Michigan State -v- North Carolina.
Go Spartans! (hey, I gotta root fer my alma mater)
Hecate. Modern Pict
I suddenly imagine you as naked, painted blue, and clubbing a Roman over his head.
Umm, I might not post for several minutes.
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Tena,
You may be right. To me the point is that St. Ronnie the Dismal had precious little to do with it.
You may be right. To me the point is that St. Ronnie the Dismal had precious little to do with it.
He had enough trouble remembering who he was.
I thought that Afghanistan "won the cold war". Seriously - the Soviet Union got bogged down in Afghanistan and had to spend a fortune there (sound familiar?).
Tena |
The Soviets were actually able to fight the Afghan War comparatively cheaply...if your ignore the deaths and injuries. The reason was half of Afghanistan shared a border with the Soviet Union. It's that fact that made even attempting that war thinkable. They simply drove there. It's also the reason a European war was the only feasible war they could fight.
The Soviets would never have accomplished the logistics required for fighting a war half way around the world like the US/Iraq War. Soviet troops are historically poorly equipped. The single largest cost of the US/Iraq war is one word ...shipping!
The Afghan War did not break the Soviet bank. It would have been only a small part of the Soviet Gross National Product.
"So Karl, who we going to appoint as the new Pope? Got any ideas?"
"Mr. President, um, there's going to be some difficulty with that."
"What do you mean difficulty? Juanita, get me Bill Frist on the line. We're going nuklear, I've had it with these liberulz blocking my appointments."
"No sir, its not that. You see, the Vatican is a soverign country, we don't have any influence on who they choose to be their leader."
"Soverign country, no shit? Hell, my ranch is bigger than that postage stamp. Why I'd bet I could take over that place just using one platoon from the Baylor ROTC. Juanita, cancel that call to Frist, get me Tommy Franks, and the Preznit of Baylor. Then get me Paul Bremmer, I've got another job for him."
St Ronnie, Choker of Jelly Beans.
Does the Pope really have two PhDs? What are they in? And does Jimmy Carter have one in Physics?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I'm a little rusty on Papal history but I seem to recall that during the Great Schism there were three Popes (briefly).
Or am I conflating Blackadder with reality? Wouldn't be the first time.
Wouldn't be the first time for me, either. I think you might be right, though.
I wish we could still have Antipopes. I suppose Martin Luther took care of that possibility, however.
America's Nemesis - I have missed you so much. The trolls have been atrocious lately. They must have gotten wind of the fact that you weren't around.
Would that this were so... it would indicate that our pal still had some tenuous grip on reality; but alas, from what I can see, he's still trolling to the same insane level as he used to years ago; I can recall one 17 hour trolling session, a Malkin thread if I remember correctly. No, despite claiming once that he only reacted because I personally treated him badly (just as he does upthread with regards to name stealing and you guys (again) in fact) and he'd calm down if I left him alone, he's doing all this purely under the influence of his own warped and alienated personality... I've been gone months now, and he still can't stop. Whether you respond to him or not, he's going to keep on at it... his childish little broken mind won't let him stop.
Which is a shame, because like all people who piss into the pool if they aren't allowed to play there themselves (Yes, I'm looking at you Putzold), he's ruining the atmosphere for everyone. Personally, I'd have had registration up and running months ago; But oh well, Atrios' boards to do with as he wishes... but what a sad, sad person you must be, to think there's anything clever about being able to Troll, when Atrios largely doesn't bother trying to stop you!
Anyway, to part on a happier note, look for much reduced Labour majority in May's UK General Election... which will leave Blair dependent upon the left wing "Awkward Squad", thus no more Neo-Liberal jingoistic adventures for him. Bush is going to have to win The War Against Domestic Unpopularity all by himself this time... And as we can see, whilst his policy of Schiavo Security not Social Security is dropping his popularity faster than Bugs Bunny disappears into his hole during rabbit season. Which I believe is cause enough to indulge in a litee (Daffy Duck)Woo hoo! Woo hoo!(/Daffy Duck)
The Pope is dead. Long live Galileo.
He had enough trouble remembering who he was.
Too right. When his son Michael graduated from h.s., St. Ron the Dolt didn't know who he was. His own son.
This was in the Seventies. Before we were lucky enough to have him as President.
The fall of the USSR can be attributed to many things - Gorbachev, JPII, the financial drain of Afghanistan, the economic success of West Germany, etc.
What gets overlooked is the living standard behind the iron curtain was so far behind the West. With the lock down of the press behind the curtain, it's not a poor living standard unless you can see that people on the other side are living much better.
Television was brought to the masses (inc third world countries) in the late 70's. The first show that was syndicated world wide with a weekly viewers of a billion or more was "Dallas". These people behind the iron curtain did not tune in to watch JR and Sue Ellen, they tuned in to see how Americans lived. They saw nice houses and cars, paved streets, glass encased skyscrapers, plenty of food without rationing, nice clothes, and a general lack of poverty.
Seeing that the people in the West lived a much better life was the beginning of the end of the USSR and the communism ideology.
Late to the party, so I'm guessing
that at some point on the thread
a troll accused us of being glad
about the raid on Abu Ghraib.
I'd be delighted to be wrong, of course.
Today there is an "air show" taking place from the Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base here in Fort Worth (the old Carswell Air Force Base).
As these jets fly over my home I am wondering...Who the hell is paying for these fighter jets to do loops in the sky? Are my tax dollars going to fund this kind of "entertainment" while people are dying in the Iraq war?
If this is being sponsored by an independent corporation, then why is a national air base being used for this kind of activity...and at what cost or benefit to the public?
Now that my ears and head are splitting from hours of airforce acrobatics; I am wondering if anyone else has any info on this or even cares...
I know it is a tradition to have the air show...and it seems like these people have a career doing this, as this extensive schedule shows, "coming to a national air base near you!"...
http://aeroflt.users.netlink.co....wdate-
world.htm
...but I found myself highly irritated by the reality of it while also reading the current news of possibly more casualties in Iraq.
Hi America's Nemesis! We've missed you!
Does the Pope really have two PhDs? What are they in? And does Jimmy Carter have one in Physics?
Jimmy Carter does not have a Ph.D. I am sure that he has several walls worth of honorary degrees. I don't think JPII had a Ph.D. I don't know if the pope accepts honarary degrees.
I suddenly imagine you as naked, painted blue, and clubbing a Roman over his head.
Umm, I might not post for several minutes.
Uh, me either; now.
Pres Carter has a BS in Nukleer Engineering US Naval Academy. No PhD in Physics.
The Pope...?
Entertainment and Propaganda,
There's always money for war, hadn't you noticed? It's only children who go hungry, never our military.
The CAtholic Church already has its own cable news network
how many times can Rymond Flynn talk about how long he has known the pope
Bill Calhoun and Pat Buchanan should be banned.
I understand this is going to go on all weekend --
Agent Orange - Ok, it didn't break the Soviet bank. However, since so much of the Red Army was there, there wasn't much left to fight against uprisings in Europe.
Anyway, I couldn't agree more that St. Ronnie the Brainless had next to nothing to do with it (as if the entire Soviet Union would go down that quickly.) And I do credit Gorbachev with a lot. He was responsible for perestroika, was he not? I liked the guy, based on what I knew about him I thought he was very intelligent and progressive, from a Russian standpoint.
You may be right. To me the point is that St. Ronnie the Dismal had precious little to do with it.
See, I heard it was Brave, Wingnut Bloggers what brought the USSR crashing down...to the utter shock of the CIA, Reagan/Bush Administration, Etc. (Hey, who the fuck knocked down the wall I was leaning on?)
Brave, Freedom Fighting Basement Brigade Keyboardistas hammering away on the Hammer and Sickle day and night. Trench warfare that went on and on and on, until one day a suspicious letter surfaced.
Font was scrutizined.
Punctuation was deconstructed...
... And The Wall Fell.
Yes, steve simels, and we were also accused of being glad that the Pope died (he was only 84 and in terrible health) and Mrs. Schiavo (who was not really here at all).
It was all too silly.
That's why I intend to go elsewhere when I die, probably planet Pluto.
Echidne - are you taking reservations?
And who won the dead pope pool? And has anyone started the 'white smoke' pool?
steve simels - I'm so glad to see you because I have been wondering (well, I'm always glad to see you just because you're you) as I go around singing old Velvet Underground songs, what happened to Nico?
Now Bush has turned up at St. Mathew's in D.C. It's all about him isn't it?
Have I mentioned today how much I hate that man. And, yes, I used the word hate.
Bush talking about the moral leadership of the Pope --why didn't his head explode
Raymond Flynn saying Bush should send Laura and the Big Dickhead to send a message to CAtholics everywhere --I thought he did that when he ran backi to the Whitehouse to satisfy his spiritual leader Father Frank Pavone
I'd be delighted to be wrong, of course.
steve simels | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 5:39 pm | #
No delight for you:
You shouldn't have masturbated after posting that.
Duncan Black's Conscience | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 3:30 pm | #
Weird, I thought "atrios" had abandoned his we-care-for-the-troops schtick after the election?
They're just a bunch of redneck Jesus-loving redstaters, you know. The people you and your flock so love to hate so much.
hat | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 4:57 pm |
"...so 18 casualties are hopefully not 18 dead."
funny to see Liberals pretending to care.
Carlos | Email | Homepage | 04.02.05 - 4:19 pm | #
Speaking of the Pope, does anybody
remember an odd
Catholic cable show from
the late 70s? It was out of somewhere
in the boonies, and it was run by one
of those traditionalist Catholic groups
that broke with the church after Vatican II. Lots of conspiracy
theories (they thought J2P2 was an
agent of Satan, essentially) and
riveting in a trainwreck sort of way.
I used to get up early on Saturday
mornings to watch it.
They're just a bunch of redneck Jesus-loving redstaters, you know. The people you and your flock so love to hate so much.
hat
Vermont has the highest per capita casualty rate, asshat.
Pretending to care
at least we go through the motions
you don't give a crap at all
your president had to be embarrassed into raising the death benefit, making sure troops had proper equipment and not charging for meals will in the hospital
If we are pretending then we are doing a better job of demonstrating concern for the troops then all your crocodile tears
Reagan didn't win the cold war, but his brand of free market ideology certainly lost the peace.
I haven't had tv on for weeks, but I see CNN's homepage is all pope. Good grief. I'm sure that on the sad day when the Dali Lama dies we won't get this kind of coverage.
thank god I have three or four episodes of Deadwood to watch. There won't be anything else on for days.
(ass)hat posted twice? What's up with that? The rabbit gets teeth?
They're just a bunch of redneck Jesus-loving redstaters, you know. The people you and your flock so love to hate so much.
hat
Vermont has the highest per capita casualty rate, asshat.
Nockles
No one has a lower rate than the Republican chickenhawks. Including the trolls here.
Of course, in the end (!) there's always Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All For You.
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Hecate, Modern Pict I went so far as to put out the Trader Joe's black lentils this morning, but then went off and left them on the counter. No lentils for you today! However, Monday or Tuesday should see them sent.
Since they were on the counter tho, I just went ahead and made soup.
steve - did you see my question? Do you know whatever happened to Nico? I never heard anything.
Of course without Gorbachev the Soviet Union would not have been allowed to disintegrate so quickly. Gorbachev today is absolutely hated by conservative and older people of the Soviet Union. They believe without him the Soviet system could have continued.
The motivation for those feelings is just how bad life in the former Soviet republics is for many average people and pensioners. I believe male life expectancy in Russia today is only age 56!!! That puts them around Ethiopia in that statistic.
Knowledge of the extent of HIV-AIDS in Russia is still being hidden. Alchoholism, always a problem, is as bad as ever.
It's all become a very economically segregated society which is exactly what the Communists always feared would happen...and they were right.
"Come on George, burst into flames."
Hell, I'd settle for bursting into song. Any public meltdown would do it for me.
Of course the press would either praise its brilliance or ignor it, so I guess burst into flames would, after all, be the way to go.
Tena:
Nico fell off a bicycle in Ibiza in
'88. Apparently she had a cerebral
hemorrhage, but didn't get medical
care in time and died.
Might have been drug related, but
I'm not sure.
CNN has NOTHING on the attack in Iraq.
What is wrong with them?
OK, silly question.
No one has a lower rate than the Republican chickenhawks.
For the Chickenshit Chickenhawks so loved the World that they gladly sacrificed, well, everybody else's begotten sons and daughters for the Great Glory of their...OK, why are we there again?
...OK, why are we there again?
Didn't they come up with something about nerve gas and al Queda just this morning?
"(ass)hat posted twice"
No, I reposted his comment and the comment's of Carlos and Duncan's Conscience to show that Simels was correct in his hypothesis that a troll(s) had acccused us of really being happy about troop deaths.
. I'm sure that on the sad day when the Dali Lama dies we won't get this kind of coverage.
Hecate - I'm sure that is true, and there's no excuse for it whatsoever.
QL - we watched last Sunday's Deadwood last night. I have never laughed so hard in my life as I did at one point in that show. I won't spoil it for you, but damn, that Al has one hell of a burden - the people he's responsible for keeping sane when he's least able to.
...OK, why are we there again?
To stop communism, silly!
Back in 1978, I had a hand-made t-shirt that said:
THE
POPE
SMOKES
DOPE
...
That's all I got.
"... but damn, that Al has one hell of a burden..."
To paraphrase
"You mean, you'll go in through the taint?"
Do you think the 24/7 CNN Catholic religion show is getting to the Guns-for-God groups and the evangelicals? there is a pretty good movie on A&E. How come Ann Coulter has an adam's apple? Couldn't she afford the shaving off procedure?
Hey - Another Victory for Eschaton -
Main Entry: eschaton
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: end of the world, end of time, climax of history
Etymology: Greek for `last'
Source: Webster's New Millennium™ Dictionary of English, Preview Edition (v 0.9.5)
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Dear lord, I sincerely hope you're comin' cus we really started somethin'
-Elvis (who's not left the building)
Thanks, steve - I just never heard anything at all and it was driving me crazy.
I didn't google her, I guess I could have. She was so beautiful - couldn't act and couldn't sing, but hardly mattered. I remember the endless sequence in Chelsea Girls of Nico painstakingly cutting her bangs.
"i don't doubt that you are right that it was natural causes."
-wile e. oddyseus
with popes, poison is considered a natural cause.
steve simels sez:
Nico fell off a bicycle in Ibiza in
'88.
Please tell me you meant "'98". I swear it was more recent than 1988.
.
Carpbasman - No, it was the doctor, (QL, cover your eyes) when he fell on the bed and said: "Thank you for saving me!" over and over.
Mr. Tena and I were just dying laughing. Just dying.
Tena sez:
Al has one hell of a burden
It seems that it has passed (literally).
Oh, Al, I wouldn't know the word "cocksucker" without you...
.
Carpbasman - I'm still laughing.
Between Trixie and those two idjits who work for Al and the doctor and everything Al's gone through and they were all so relieved and thanking him and he was half dead...
It was one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen.
fwiw, for those disgusted with the pope-athon, mediabistro has running commentary on the cable/net coverage. they seem to think it's a good thing (and are critical of cbs for going to ncaa). anyway, they are soliciting comments if you are in the mood to make yours known:
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/
"As I'm traveling back to Baltimore today, send Pope coverage notes, observations, kudos, and critiques to tvnewser@mediabistro.com, or use the tip box."
I've always loved Brad Dorif (sp?) But this is the very best thing he's ever done. Same with McShane. The guy who's doing Deadwood is so out there when he talks about the show, but he is one hell of a director. The performances he's getting out of that cast is superb. Uniformly superb. That show just keeps getting better and better.
are superb. I keep having agreement problems and I'm very embarrassed by it.
look for much reduced Labour majority in May's UK General Election... which will leave Blair dependent upon the left wing "Awkward Squad", thus no more Neo-Liberal jingoistic adventures for him.
Would that it were true, Mr Nemesis, but the 'unexpected' resignation of many safe-seat Labour MPs, and the parachuting of Blair toadies into their constituencies, is likely to ensure that the awkward squad ain't going to have as big a squeeze on Blair as many would like. (The reduction of seats in Scotland will also knock out a few old-Labourites.)
But, we can hope. And since Rev Blair is actually a closet papist, we can always say a few ave-marias in the hope that the conclave will elect Pope Tony I.
That show just keeps getting better and better.
"Mr. Wu" remains, and probably ahall remain one of my favorite hours of television.
pseudonymous - But, we can hope. And since Rev Blair is actually a closet papist
Reading that was an "aha" moment for me. There was something I couldn't quite get about Blair and I think you just told me what it was.
I still have copies of Nico's The Marble Index and Desertshore. Perhaps the first Goth records ever made. (I'm a big John Cale fan.)
There's a fine documentary about her, NICO/ICON, which has been shown on Sundance.
And yes, she died in 1988.
There was something I couldn't quite get about Blair and I think you just told me what it was.
He's taken communion at Cherie's church before, although the new cardinal archbishop put a stop to it. He's officially Anglican high-church; she's RC; the kids go/went to the Brompton Oratory, in keeping with the post Vatican II line that 'we don't mind if your spouse doesn't convert, as long as we get the kids.'
All the gossip suggests that once he's out of Number 10, he'll convert. And that's fitting, since no-one brought up Catholic trusts a convert. (vide: Robert Novak.)
pseudonymous - Nobody trusts a convert - this is so true. English Catholics have such a strange and different thing going on that it fascinates me.
On the Abu Ghraib attack......"Ya think they are telling us to leave?" "ya think?"
On the pope, I have to take the Benthamite position of "The Eternal Philistine" and drag out my aging David Peel and The Lower East Side albums and play "The Pope Smokes Dope."
But I agree with the CNN story, in that whoever follows John Paul II, will have a crisis in direction, a crisis from JP2's hyper conservative internal policies, and a hell of a tough act to follow.
I just checked the Times, CNN, and Washington Post homepage.
Only the Post even bothers to mention the attack.
its a shame the pope is dead. but its not like he is really that important a guy---and its ridiculous for the media to be obsessing over him.
Carpbasman - Mr. Wu was giving us hysterics in that last episode, too. That whole thing "San Francisco" with big arms charade he did cracked Mr. Tena and me up.
Help! I'm hangin' by a thread!
This is going to sound pretty bigoted and anti-Catholic (kind of like Rex Mortram in Bridehead Revisited) but I've never quite understood the whole Catholic idea of the "Resurrection of the Body".
Does it really happen?
Billmon wrote extensively about this last week quoting from a biblical historian. It seems the contemperanous
writings from other cultures (or Christian/Jewish for that matter) during Jesus's time did not record any crucifixion or resurrection.
All that was apparently made up 200 years later. But there was some reference in a Greek book about a Jesus guy in Jerusalem who got very sick and he was nursed back to health by some women. Then he went on to teaching, the book said.
Two hundred years later this story got magnified in both extremes - death by Crucifixion and resurrection.
English Catholics have such a strange and different thing going on that it fascinates me.
There are lots of different strands: there's the middle-class Oxford Catholics, who look to Cardinal Newman, and are more like high-high-church Anglicans; then there's the working-class parishes, the fruit of Irish immigration (with a bit of Italian and Polish influence, too).
It's a very different thing to American Catholicism, which seems very much built upon a kind of sclerotic O'Reilly-ite suburbanised hierarchy. I went to a wedding at the Newark basilica a couple of years back, and it stank of the New Jersey suburbanite social-climber thing.
One of the big differences, I think, is that Catholic schools are actually part of the state system, for the most part. And there aren't really many Catholic colleges. So British Catholicism is more like that in Canada (or France, for that matter) than the American version.
I remember reading a great book called 'Growing Up Catholic' that had a pitch-perfect run-down of who sits where in church. Oh, and my dad built a back gate to our garden when I was a kid, so that we could escape whenever the parish priest came by on his bike.
To Eric, W-A-Y upthread.
the first Model T did not appear until 1909. The little 2.7 liter [3 and 3/4" x 4"} engine could get 20 to 25 miles per gallon using the old 20 octane or so gasoline of the time. Some improvement was made if you added some Benzol, which is Sulfur free Benzene to the 10 gallon tank that was under the driver's seat.
I saw the highly critical report on the fuel economy issue, and am left astonished that some modern V6's cannot surpass the gas milage of some V8's of my heyday including the 260 Ford, the 287 American Motors, and the 283 Chevy!
You may now return to "popewatch."
Bush does have an honorary degree from Sam Huston Institute of Technology.
Good old S.H.I.T.
Come on..you knew this was coming
Critical Mass |
LOL Dan Rather went there also!
Well, just a damn minute - while John Paul II, in his former incarnation, did fight the Nazis in Poland, it is also true that the Church didn't do much to fight them otherwise. And some in the Vatican did help some Nazis get out of Germany when the end came. At least, that is what I've read in more than one place.
Gita Sereny talks about that in a couple of her books on the Third Reich. There was also an expose of it in Vanity Fair maybe 3 years ago, now.
Tena |
Now Tena there was a POW camp for Germans here. So unlike the Japanese detention camps.
Anyways an old facility had a catacombs in it... friend got some Nazi memorabilia out of it...
Officer's daggers, ensignia ranks.
We had a Synagogue here as well. When all of the Illinois folks were migrated for steel work someone started vandalism campaign on their place of worship. 
Wheter it or not you observe, you can at least respect the Grounds they call Holy.
They moved off, closed the temple, and the Masons lodge not long after that.
I don't follow in deed or word as they see, but no one should limit their fellowship. Do no harm to others.
Hey all,
Just back from a meetup with the wonderful NYMary Three hours that passed far too quickly.
GWPDA,
NxNW Is not scheduled in this neck for about 40 minutes, Is it already going in AZ?
p in nc,
It depends on the parish you go to.
I agree that the church in America is creaky, sclerotic, and in need of some internal repairs, but I also contend that the church has been brutally savaged for its internal scandals by Bush Base protestants for cheap and dirty political gain.
The spirit of internal activism that was the touchstone of Polish, Italian, and Irish parishes, seems to have waned as the depression era/WW2 generation has died off.
And that is why I think we see the social climber element that was always there become more visible. church weddings have always been a show-off event, and I have made extra money driving a classic 1932 Packard 8 for wedding parties, to carry the bride and groom.
However, my wife and I were not married in church and we have been together nearly 35 years, few of our friends are still on the original partner.
It isn't the size of the wedding, nor the reception, nor the ring, nor the parish, nor the tux and gown that makes a successful marraige. So, when I read about lavish weddings, I have to laugh a little....even Charles and Diana failed, and that was a REALLY lavish wedding.
Damn, what a "book."
You may return to popewatch now.
Mr. Murder - forgive me, but I didn't understand a word of that comment.
The only part I may be clear on is about the German POW camp - there was one for officers not far from where I live. I worked for for a lawyer who had been an OSS officer and who worked out there.
whoever follows John Paul II, will have a crisis in direction, a crisis from JP2's hyper conservative internal policies, and a hell of a tough act to follow.
Exactly. As I mentioned last night, Pat Buchanan (of all people) hit the nail on the head, by saying that JP2's personal hid a wasp's nest of doctrinal tensions, especially among young Catholics in Europe and the rest of the developed world who ignore the teachings on sex and contraception.
JP2 got away with being reactionary because he built up a decade's worth of political/religious capital among the younger generation. His successor inherits the religious equivalent of a post-boom recession. Charismatic protestantism -- esp. Pentecostalism -- is already taking huge chunks out of the Catholic base in Latin America, Asia and even Africa.
I can't help but think the diocesan cardinals know that. Which is why we may very well be surprised by who emerges from the conclave in a few weeks' time.
I've sold a few copies of this comic book in my store over the last decade.
About once a year, this one wag comes in and asks "When's Pope John Paul III coming out?"
Ha ha.
I also contend that the church has been brutally savaged for its internal scandals by Bush Base protestants for cheap and dirty political gain.
Oh, I don't doubt that for a second. During the election, I heard there was a war of words going on between the two big RC churches in town, with many people switching across from the one doing everything short of handing out Bush stickers.
boilerman10,
Someone remembers everything. Sometimes two someones.
David Peel: I like marijuana
You like marijuana...
...OK, why are we there again?
Didn't they come up with something about nerve gas and al Queda just this morning?
flory |
No flory, it was an exceort of a story the woman for WaPo who said the 'CIA is to blame for Iraq' made.
Her recommendations come from a Yale memer...
The attempt to blame the CIA is by a man and woman who shoveled Bush's horseshit lies about Oilraq several time over, especially the VX gas to Al Qaeda lie...
The USA makes VX and has the largeat known supply. They claimed America got rid of all stores, and WaPo corrected that malfeasance...
Remember- when the CIA is to blasme meme is said by Barton Gellman or by Dafna Linzer, those two writers have yet to be fully called out for previous lies and Bush slants they helped develop...
I brought that up as a reminder, they'll recirculate the meme soon enough- the Green Zone crew always recycles trash.
I beat them to it, and made it relevant to the attempted slander of the CIA that Bushco needs done right now.
casuality
causality
haloscan never lets you get away with nuthing
Tena I had two window loading for lag, sorry.
Yes we had a POW facility here. From what I have seen in other fields of work, from St.Louis to Memphis was a pretty concerted network of OSS relocations.
An old plumber used to do work for two facilites in St.Louis. It was unusual no paths crossed. Two entire distinct high rises of immigrants.
One of Jewish refugees. The other Nazi expatriates. The plumber could speak some German, and referenced the POW facility here. Others who lived here verified that half of the claims.
The other side of the coin, at another job, a call for a former St.Louis resident confirmed the other end of the story.
He migrated to the other city years later but was a longtime resident. He had full insignia tattoos on his chest, quite unusual. Had years dated for them, the hawks/ealges crest and logo.
Was kind of strange to verify a Nazi expatriate's existence who lived in the same facility the plumber had described.
Anyways he's deceased. Most of his remaining family was born here. Time to move on. You can't judge them for his past.
Greek orthodox neighborhood as well.
Cardinal Ratzinger tells us that there is no sex in heaven. But that we will always remain either men or women, whatever we happen to be on earth.
How the hell would he know?
Welcome to Club Asia.
FWIW, Karol Wojtila, before he was a priest, was a writer and poet who fought the Nazis as part of the Polish Underground.
While I can recognize that his supporters find much to respect and admire about JPII, it is my strong belief that any good he accomplished was far outweighed by his medieval attitudes towards women and birth control, which set the Church back decades and have had disastrous results throughout the world, particularly with respect to Third World starvation and the spread of AIDS in Africa. (And let us not even get into the thousands of lives that were destroyed by the Church's policy of shuffling pedophilic priests from parish to parish--a tactic JPII never condemned.) So, sorry, but color me not impressed with his good deeds.
(And let us not even get into the thousands of lives that were destroyed by the Church's policy of shuffling pedophilic priests from parish to parish--a tactic JPII never condemned.)
No, let's do get into that. It's important and relevant. Even before his death he was never really made to account for his inaction and indifference to this matter.
"WASHINGTON - A group of 40 to 60 insurgents attacked the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq late Saturday in a well-coordinated assault that inflicted 18 American casualties, U.S. military officials told NBC News."
But Preznit Jerkoff is much, much too busy with Schiavo and the Pope (like Pickles' black mourning outfit?) to comment on the people he sent off to die in the war that he lied the US into.
hahahahahaha!!! some bimbot on the nancy grace show said that the new pope will be chosen by the holy spirit, and no politics would be involved.
And when praying for the Pope, it is well to remember he was against the war in Iraq.
But also remember that he didn't do a damn constructive thing about it, like urge Catholics not to vote for the administration which started the war. (Whereas it's a-ok for a Colorado Springs bishop to state that Catholics who vote for pro-choice, pro-gay marriage politicians like John Kerry "jeopardize their salvation" and will be banned from Communion until they have "recanted their positions" and confessed their sin.)
The Catholic Church's priorities are clear. Don't kid yourself.
TJ
Bottom line: he had nothing but contempt for women and gays!
I 've always loved the shit about being "excommunicated:" and "banned from taking communion."
Errrr - how are they going to stop you?
Do they have church police standing at the communion rail?
PUH-leese. As dumb as sending someone to hell for eating meat on Friday!
Cardinal Ratzinger tells us that there is no sex in heaven. But that we will always remain either men or women, whatever we happen to be on earth.
There's no sex in hell, either, Ratz Ass.
That's where YOU're going!
I say we invade Abu Ghraib. We can't let Saddam's torturers continue to ply their trade without fear of reprisals.
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