I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
first!
God nose all.
The media just will not go there.
Cowards.
Of course they cloak themselves in religion. Their corporate masters demand it because of the drop in ratings, which cause a revenue drop in ad sales.
What the fuck? This is news?
What I want to know is whether or not this collection of seditious, treacherous, traitorous, terrorist fuckwitz are under surveillance by Homeland Security operatives, and if not WHY THE FUCK NOT...
People have to find the stones, cajones, nuts, casaba melons, etc - to stand up and fire back at the hypocisy. You can't be afraid. Quasi-religious people are not a threat. They like to try when confronted, but they are easily beaten down.
I've been sayin' that for a couple years now.
Holy crap; is he drunk?
The people who attended this convention, conference, whatever it was, should have their names registered w/the CIA and FBI.
They are potential terrorists.
Just because they are lily-white does not mean that they do not intend harm to the Republic.
Schafly - my gawd, is she still alive - should be singled out immediately.
Their statements are inflammatory and, actually, treasonous.
AT least, these are hate crimes w/incitement to violence.
Anyone - ANYONE else, especially those of us on the left - who made such statements, would be on a flight to Gitmo, now.
Gonna have to stand and fight. Hate to say so, hate even more to have to do it, but, do it we must.
To think otherwise is delusional. These peoople aren;t going to quit.
I want to know which House members (aside from DeLay) and aides to which senators attended. I think they should be publicized -- and that we should spend next week calling them. Does anyone know?
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad, but Mr Millbank fails to mention that these nuts ain't any nuttier then mainstream Conservatives that have been in the public eye for a loong time. Coulter, Rush, Savage, etc.
They ARE mainstream.
BINGO
What gets me is that not only will the media just not go there, it is going in the other direction. All this pious claptrap coming out of pundits is gag inducing.
New Frank Rich up at www.nytimes.com. All about Schiavo, the Pope and the Culture of Death. A excerpt:
We don't know the identity of the corpse that will follow the pope in riveting the nation's attention. What we do know is that the reality show we've made of death has jumped the shark, turning from a soporific television diversion into the cultural embodiment of the apocalyptic right's growing theocratic crusade.
jdw, the are not mainstream. I lived for 2 yrs in a very small town in Arkansas, whose name would make you laugh. There were idiots, but there were also people of deep Christian faith who had sense and decency.
They would no more countenance this shit than they would deliberately run down a dog in the road.
There really are good people everywhere who know bearshit from buckwheat.
What we are fed by the corporate media ain't necessarily so.
A lot of this is smoke and mirrors.
SD
This is a good quote from one of the most dangerous:
"Next, Michael P. Farris, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association, said Kennedy "should be the poster boy for impeachment" for citing international norms in his opinions. "If our congressmen and senators do not have the courage to impeach and remove from office Justice Kennedy, they ought to be impeached as well.""
Michael Farris is a A-list Dominionist who runs the Loudoun County VA Madrasas known as Patrick Henry College, whose bold mission is to take over the goverment of the US--That's no shit. PHC students are interning in the White House and at the CIA. Farris aparently has the ear of the Chimp.
People like Farris need to be fought at every turn, or we are soon going to find ourselves fighting these fucking Dominionist Wackoes for our lives.
If pie were here, would we have "Key Line pie?"
Okay, I'm headed back to the silly thread.
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I want to know which House members (aside from DeLay) and aides to which senators attended. I think they should be publicized -- and that we should spend next week calling them. Does anyone know?
Res Ipsa Loquitor - 7:45 pm
Res, dahlin...
this is one of the reason why 1) the internest is such a vital resource (because such information as you suggest can be easily gleaned and widely shared) and 2) the internest is doomed...
i did some loud talking in a bar a couple of years ago. a representative of a law enforcement agency gave me a phone call the next day. he asked about my reported comments. i told him that i had meant every word of it. i also told him that i expected him to join in the effort to overthrow the republicans if they suspended the constitution....or i would have to consider him a traitor.
the conversation kind of wound down after that.
i am sure that my name is on a list somewhere.
Sarah, unfortuntaly you are correct. It is a pain in the ass dealing with fanatics but they must be confronted as publicly as possible. Cornyn and DeLay can lickolay.
After federal courts spurned a request from Congress to revisit the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said that "the time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior." Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) mused about how a perception that judges are making political decisions could lead people to "engage in violence."
"The people who have been speaking out on this, like Tom DeLay and Senator Cornyn, need to be backed up," Schlafly said to applause yesterday. One worker at the event wore a sticker declaring "Hooray for DeLay."
The conference was organized during the height of the Schiavo controversy by a new group, the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration.
Rabid fundamentalists to the core who do NOT represent the views of 70% of Americans.
But no, Homeland Security and the FBI won't investigate them.
Welcome to the American Taliban. Their owners also own Homeland Security and the FBI. From a Great Society to this, an Ownership Society.
And getting smaller all the time, if we're to believe the trade balance.
i am sure that my name is on a list somewhere.
i think the simple fact that we post here puts all our names on a list somewhere.
Atrios:
If you're too fucking bored to proof and format your posts, why don't you find someone who's interested in communication and get them to do your typing for you? Your crypticism is bordering on boredom.
...this is one of the reason why 1) the internest is such a vital resource (because such information as you suggest can be easily gleaned and widely shared) and 2) the internest is doomed...
Woody G, honey ...
I've been clicking around today and can't find names. If you do -- or if anyone else does -- please let me know. And I agree with you about the internets. It is way too democratic a medium to allow to last in the current environment.
How ironic is it that "Rainmaker" is a pisser?
Rainmaker | Email | Homepage | 04.09.05 - 7:55 pm | #
FOAD
Dan - I call assholes out all the time in the bar. I've gotten into screaming matches with wingers - to the point of being surrounded by 5 or 6. I don't fucking care and I don't back down.
I had one asshole threaten to call the Sheriff once. Then, I reached into my wallet and pulled out his card. See, the (now former) Sheriff used to work with my Father, when he was just a young rookie on the Department, ions ago.
I even gave him my name, and told him to say hello for me when he called.
Don't back down from the fuckers.
internest
WGG, love it. Want one. Suspect I am building one, twig by twig.
RIL - Try here.
Atrios- the Enron thread overlooks the terror trail on Unocal/Chevron and Ken Lay's buddies at Arthur Andersen.
Pig meets lipstick.
Taliban got millions with Colin Powell's blessing, he did the bidding of Condi and got egg on face.
Ahnold is no different, the Enron laundered cash found some similar shared names in the Oil inudstry for the mideast and asia/south america.
Petroleum World.Com had Powell's visits to South America listed at one time. Kinda funny he was meeting a group that included the deposed Afghan King on 9-11, he was in exile in a South American OPEC state at the time...
The money trail is still there and hot.
There really are good people everywhere who know bearshit from buckwheat.
What we are fed by the corporate media ain't necessarily so.
A lot of this is smoke and mirrors.
SD
Sarah Deere
These good people need to, as they say in those parts, tell the truth and shame the devil.
Tom DeLay is part of the Enron terror laundering ring. Milosevic no less. Wes CLark also fought Al Qaeda in the Balkans, and DeLay opposed fighting in the Balkans, as did all of the Repiglicans.
i hear you barndog! you sound like my kind of guy.
what do they say...a brave man dies once. a coward dies a thousand deaths.
i don't shut up for shit.
SD: "jdw, the are not mainstream."
Oh I disagree and disagree bigtime, SD. Where are the conservatives disavowing these kooks? Nowhere! Hell, even supposed Liberals think we need to think things over instead of saying these people are whackalooons hell bent on turning the us of a into a loonie bin.
These people are mainstream. Freaking DuLay is the freaking leader of the House, fer crissakes. They are not derided as loons and crackpots, but instead have millions of followers. They are published columnists in major papers. Name me ONE, ONE! LW whackaloon that enjoys that level of mainstream access. Name me ONE LW whackaloon that publically called for the assasination of a SCOTUS judge in the wake of Gore v. Bush.
There is no outrage about these people and no press examination because they are used to these nuts because they are everywhere and for decades they and the left stayed silent and poohpoohed them.
Rabid fundamentalists to the core who do NOT represent the views of 70% of Americans.
Well, if the majority is too fucking lazy to do anything about it, it really doesn't matter now, does it? I see a lot of progressives in love with that Margaret Mead quotation about not doubting how a small, dedicated minority can change the world, because indeed, it's the only thing that ever does. It's meant to be uplifiting, of course, but there's an obvious sinister flipside to it, and you're seeing it with the religious nuts in this country.
Check this shit out:
http://www.phc.edu/
They have one building and a couple of dormatories, yet they tought themselves as "YOUNG AMERICA'S FOUNDATION NAMES PHC AS ONE OF THE NATION'S TOP TEN CONSERVATIVE COLLEGES". Bullshit.
These are the folks that need to be exposed, as they are no differnet than a muslim madrasas in Peshawar.
But anything done with religious motives is OK. Just ask Osama bin Laden -- did anything bad happen to him?
We don't know the identity of the corpse that will follow
i've been thinking about this and my money is a whole new angle for reality tv -- a live death watch and peter jennings will be the one and only contestant. you could see them gearing up for it after the news broke this week.
Why aren't these folks on universal, terror-watch no-fly lists?
No non-white person--nor any prog/lefty of any color--who made the same kinds and character of pronouncements as these theofascist mutherfockers would escape prison for utterances of similar treasonousness resonances against the Constitution...
Arrest, indict, and put on-trial every last crapulent one of these shit-oozing slime-moulds...
wow...those "activist" judges.
Got too many Marines in my family (including myself) to stand and let some fuckwads spew shit in my face.
And, I'll always provoke them into taking the first punch, so that way I defended myself as they get carted away to the hospital.
I have no mercy anymore. Too old for that shit.
Barndog,
Time to take a good shit on these bastards.
Arrest, indict, and put on-trial every last crapulent one of these shit-oozing slime-moulds...
WoodyGsGuitar/Happy Desperado | Email | Homepage | 04.09.05 - 8:05 pm | #
thank you WoodyGsGuitard.
thank you. well said!
It's probably so obvious I can't see it, Res Ipsa Loquitor, but how does one navigate to Frank Rich from the NYT home page?
Thanks. 
gorilla on Jerome Corsi, who is neither swift not a vet nor an Iranian expert, but wants you to know about the scary swarthy man with the mushroom clouds in his eyes.
you are definitely my kind of guy barndog!
Barndog you are a good man.
Just the very idea of a liberal who can kick their ass must totally fuck with their minds...
I am convinced that the press will not go there, not because these freaks are mainstream--they most assuredly not--but because they are beholden to the corporate masters who pay their salaries.
Someone this morning suggested referring to these individuals as heretics. I wholeheartedly agree, because they certainly are.
BTW, for more good stuff, visit TJ's blog at Welcomed to Gilead
I don't know what it means, but there is tremendous significance in the far right quoting Josef Stalin with approval...
Here's how I paraphrase one of his more memorable statements: "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is Republican policy."
But that's just me...
"Got too many Marines in my family (including myself) to stand and let some fuckwads spew shit in my face."
Proving once again that the heretics and traitors have no knowledge of the honor of the Corps.
We don't know the identity of the corpse that will follow
I'm giving two-to-one on Billy Graham...He's just a senescent corpse-in-waiting, at the moment, but he'd be GREAT FUNDIE tv...
i'd rather it were the ever-unctuous Jerry Falwell or the slithery, viprous Pat Robertson...Dodson, buried in an avalancvhe that wiped out the Family Values Center and the rest of Colo. Sp. west of I-25, would be good, too...
just sayin...
.
This was no collection of fringe characters.
Just what Strom said when he was picking mites out of my crotch before eating them (and then me, heh heh).
-Liddy Dole
GOD©
ah, what i did to that fucker outside that cafe during the height of the monica lewinsky madness...well let me just say that i still smile and feel warm inside when i think of it!
bet i am in his nightmares still! lol.
To think otherwise is delusional. These peoople aren;t going to quit.
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 04.09.05 - 7:44 pm | #
Kiddo, as somebody said on an earlier
thread,
the delusional is now mainstream.
"I think one reason (and there others) for this is that by cloaking their wingnuttery in religion they shield themselves from criticism."
Call them what they are, Traitors. Come on lets stop splitting hairs. They want to overthrow the United States and form it to something else, well, sounds like a bunch of traitors undermining the rights and freedoms we enjoy.
i'd rather it were the ever-unctuous Jerry Falwell or the slithery, viprous Pat Robertson...Dodson, buried in an avalancvhe that wiped out the Family Values Center and the rest of Colo. Sp. west of I-25, would be good, too...
The more their deaths look like an Act Of God, the better. Although I suppose it could be spun as God being unable to wait for their holy company and enlightened counsel for one second longer...
"You little scumbag! I've got your name! I've got your ass!
You will not laugh! You will not cry! You will learn by the numbers. I will teach you.
Now get up! Get on your feet! You had best unfuck yourself or I will unscrew your head and shit down your neck"
These good people need to, as they say in those parts, tell the truth and shame the devil.
HoneyBearKelly
If good people do, and the MSM doesn't report it, does anyone outside of the left blogsphere of cyberspace hear?
If good people do, and the MSM doesn't report it, does anyone outside of the left blogsphere of cyberspace hear?
I fear word of mouth is pretty much all we've got.
Name me ONE LW whackaloon that publically called for the assasination of a SCOTUS judge in the wake of Gore v. Bush.
well, to tell the truth, i seriously thought about it...
indeed that was the act at the center of another of my more notorious schemes, TAFFWY™ (TakeAFascistFucktardWithYou)
Iknow Iknow...say no more, say no more, but she's a goer, right, a goer? knowaddeyemean? knowaddeyemean?
Say no more, say no more. Nudge Nudge Wink Wink.
Try praying for such people even if you do not. To immerse self in the language and mindset is the best way to win an argument in persuasive and sincere manner.
Barndog
Cadres, compadre...
just sayin...
.
Hell, it's our duty to set these folks straight.
A good part of the problem is that the Right's rank and file aren't getting any real feedback--just these nutcases and their cheering sections.
I fear word of mouth is pretty much all we've got.
then we need to get busy. i've been talking and talking and talking about the fucktwits to just about anybody that will listen.
of course, people think i'm crazy as a loon, but i don't care.
if i can open one person's eyes, it is worth it.
A good part of the problem is that the Right's rank and file aren't getting any real feedback--just these nutcases and their cheering sections.
I'm not sure that's entirely accurate - I think they just tune everything else out as being insufficiently patriotic & holy.
BTW, is it blogwhoring if you promote your own blog and blogpimping if you promote others' blogs? Just looking for the distinction.
BTW, is it blogwhoring if you promote your own blog and blogpimping if you promote others' blogs? Just looking for the distinction.
I believe so, yes. I'm still a rank amateur at both, tho.
BTW, is it blogwhoring if you promote your own blog and blogpimping if you promote others' blogs? Just looking for the distinction.
Sallyh -8:22 pm
is it the difference between Pandora and Pandarus?
just askin...
.
If you're too fucking bored to proof and format your posts, why don't you find someone who's interested in communication and get them to do your typing for you? Your crypticism is bordering on boredom.
Rainmaker | Email | Homepage | 04.09.05 - 7:55 pm | #
Atrios needs to stop blogging and pass the torch to some more deserving blogger, someone who is less like prime time TV, and more like fine literature.
Obviously, that person is Rainmaker
Sallyh,
you have it correct, precise even, the difference between whoring and pimping that is.
OT:
The Pentagon has been accused of smuggling wounded soldiers into the US under cover of darkness to avoid bad publicity about the number of troops being injured and maimed in Iraq. The media have also been prevented from photographing wounded soldiers when they arrive at hospital.
Records show that flights from military bases in Germany arrive in the US only at night. Officials say this is purely the result of flight-scheduling pressures and is not a deliberate tactic to minimise detrimental publicity. They also say that by leaving Europe later in the day soldiers are given a better chance to sleep well the night before.
But many campaigners believe otherwise. Just as the Bush administration has banned the media from taking photographs of the coffins of American troops killed in Iraq as they arrive in the US, opponents say it is now trying to cover up the number of wounded.
Fuckers.
since we're on the subject, can someone tell me what "blogrolling" means?
40 minutes to Snake King!
"You little scumbag! I've got your name! I've got your ass!
You will not laugh! You will not cry! You will learn by the numbers. I will teach you.
Now get up! Get on your feet! You had best unfuck yourself or I will unscrew your head and shit down your neck"
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/jacket1.html
click on the link for the soundboard
Pseudonymous in NC--traitors and heretics. If they can have talking points and message discipline, so can we.
I love the smell of implosion in the morning.
Do these knuckleheads even remember that it was their saint Raygun that chose Justice Kennnedy?
Blogroll = links to other blogs
Word of mouth.
True enough. But what of the decent- and unwired? I wonder how many mom and pop types out there in the sticks wonder at the madness, shake their heads, and do as they have always done.
They live day to day, harming none, helping where they can. They don't believe in Bobo or Bobo's America, they don't trust Bu$hCo or even their local politicians, who are also crooked (albeit on a much smaller scale).
No, their voices are not of use to us, because their voices are not raised.
They see no point in it.
But their votes are, when they can vote.
Word of mouth. Keep talking, your voice will be heard. What you say is important, so don't be careless.
Traitors one and all. They should all be unmasked. If the MSM has balls, they would begin talking about this big time, otherwise, in the end, they will be identified as enablers. Of course if they are willing participants, it becomes perfectly clear.
Blogroll = links to other blogs
kent, Excessive Wanderer
________________________
I heard someone say one time, "I just blogrolled you." ????? ?????
40 minutes to Snake King!
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 04.09.05 - 8:25 pm | #
Proof there's a god, babe!!!!
Do these knuckleheads even remember that it was their saint Raygun that chose Justice Kennnedy?
Kennedy also voted to stop the FL recount, thus delivering us Fredo.
Her Eyes,
Since there is no danger of being accused of Blog Whoring, (book whoring? Well . . .) Atrios and other bloggers keep a list of bloggers on their blog. When a blog is blogrolled, it means that it has been linked to by other blogs. My problem with blogs is that there are so many good ones and so little time with working and all. Honestly, I love to read the General and Riverbend and Attaturk and and and
I was reading on a wetlands thread the other day and a young woman running for port commissioner answered a question by quoting the bible, saying "god gave dominion over the animals to man".
He didn't say wipe them out
So that's a dominionist, huh?
Barndog ...
Wish we had more liberal politicians like you, i.e., a smart guy who doesn't take shit from anyone.
Snake King tonite, babysquito.
Keep in mind what they accuse their enemies of doing. They have consistently shown that their accusations are very nearly what they are doing or intend to do themselves.
Speaking of Riverbend, she has a new post up, and a link to a site with a bunch of pictures from the demonstrations in Iraq - Here.
After getting hot under the collar all afternoon about these theocratic nincompoops, who should show up at my front door but two well dressed Jesus freaks. We politely ignored the doorbell, the music was playing, we assumed they'd go away. I look out the window, and they're walking across the lawn to a secondary door, then started in knocking on that one. I killed the music, went outside. "How're you doing?", one said.
Several expletives later they were on their way. Normally I'm quite polite while getting rid of unwelcome canvassers, but boy did they have bad timing, not to mention poor boundaries and a cultish glaze in their eyes.
hi DWD!
so what you are saying is that if you visit a blog from someone else's blog, you blogrolled them?
all this whoring and pimping and rolling.
almost sounds, well, downright naughty!
My problem with blogs is that there are so many good ones and so little time with working and all.
So so true. I have a few that I read religiously (my day is not complete without a fresh installment of holden's obsession with the gaggle, ferinstance) and I try to visit the others that I like at least once or twice a week, with special attention to all the Atriots.
steve simels ...
yo. Walked from -- get this -- Houston and Broadway to 92nd and Park today. Feel like I'm going to keel over. Go to Lincoln Plaza and see "Look at Me." It's really good.
Oh I disagree and disagree bigtime, SD. Where are the conservatives disavowing these kooks?
jdw, most people, honestly, want to live their lives without controversy. Period.
Thery simply wamt to live. They want their cars to work, their machine machines not to go on the fritz, their children not to be called to the principal's office. They hope their lawns don't get moss. They hope their marriages last. They want their hairlines not to recede, they want their erections to stay firm.
They are ill-prepared for gout, for diverticulosis, foir alopecia.
They wish their parents would live forever, that their families are not visited by cancer. They believe that herbicides hold many amswers.
They mainly want to get up in the morning, secure, go to work (to a secure job), and to come home to children doing well, a wife (or husband) willing and able to have sex. They hope their children will be able to go to school without it costing too much, and they hope those same kids will be able to move away and support themselves within a relatively reasonable ampount of time.
Like...what? Most of us...???
her eyes - Scroll down on Atrios' site, and look at the left sidebar under "Blogs" - That is Atrios' blogroll. It is kinda saying, if you like my blog, then you will probably like these.
RIL - Left you a link upthread for who attended the fundie fest.
Kennedy was nominated after the Bork fiasco. Conservatives always felt that the seat rightfully belonged to Bork and that Kennedy was a moderate whom Reagan nominated for a quick confirmation after the bloody Bork wars.
No, if you "blogroll" someone you put them on your blogs blogroll (I've sometimes seen people refer to adding smeone to there favorites as bogrolling.)
As in, rainmaker's just cheesed off that, even after repeated emails, Atrios won't Blogroll her.
No, the owner of the blog who listed you is the blogroller. (I think it is short for enrolled)
I am doing okay. Up to my eyebrows in plumbing this day. Why did the son of a bitch who owned this house before put a washer under the bolt to the flange that holds the toilet down? Dumbass. Now I am trying to either remove the flange or cut the bolt off since it is rusted and corroded beyond redemption.
I was thinking of dime-sized holes and increased it (in my mind) to six inch size holes. That way there can be no question of where.
Ba'al's post about their intentions frightened me right to the marrow.
Crackpot--large dogs and garden hoses work well, too.
RIL - Left you a link upthread for who attended the fundie fest.
chris/tx ... Got it! Thank you.
Res:
That's a hell of a shlep -- I salute
you!
Nice day for it, at least.
BTW: How's Mr Not Res feeling?
How are people actually listening to these nuts quoting Joseph Stalin as basis for legislative process? And how brave, Miss Schafly, using the execution of juveniles as a rallying point. Bleah.
And the article Atrios cited mentioned something I find very interesting: that Kennedy was a Reagan appointee. And yet these people beatify Reagan. Can Kennedy have changed that much since he was apointed?
I agree with someone my mother says, who grew up during the LBJ/Nixon years: "These aren't like the Republicans that I grew up with. They'd never countenance this."
My dog's hearing is going, so she didn't even get off the couch to bark until after I'd finished snarling.
DWD,
I respectfully request that you look at my home improvement question in the open thread below. I need advice, man!
If "they" come and get us, I just hope we all end up in the same place. One helluva party.
I want filkertom to design a shirt which says: STFU about Jesus.
I said it last night, I'll say it again. I have many good things to say about religion. I hate, hate, hate Brand Jesus.
The rejection of Bork by the senate was the beginning of the religious right's war on American democracy. After his defeat Bork wrote a book entitled SLOUCHING TOWARDS BETHLEHAM which is a bible of religious wingnuttery.
Conservatives always felt that the seat rightfully belonged to Bork
Ain't that the fucking truth. Anytime I skim a judicial thread at FR, they are bitching about Bork getting passed over, how things would have been different, blah, blah.
we are not as separate from the "others" as we think. That is, as we have been driven to believe.
Lotta people just want to go along to get along, and have no interest in the wingnuts' agenda.
It's just that most people don't want to put out the energy to fight, so they will "go" w/the clear winner.
Guess we all had better stand, fight, and holler about it, eh?
mer...yes, party on!
"So that's a dominionist, huh?"
magnolia 04.09.05 - 8:30 pm
No. For an interesting primer go to TJ's blog and click through the links at "Meet the Dominionists." His page address is in my URL.
Why do we keep acting as if the media is independent but just cowardly or unaware. It isn't, it's complicit.
I think it speaks volumes about Dana Millbank to write that right wing extremists calling for violence against judges appointed by Reagan are neither lunatic or fringe.
Why do we keep acting as if the media is independent but just cowardly or unaware. It isn't, it's complicit.
cs | Email | Homepage | 04.09.05 - 8:46 pm | #
Truer words never spoken.
NYMary,
Just spent a week at my sister's house in Chicago. She has pergo flooring in her kitchen. It seems very nice. Wears like iron, easy clean-up and so on. Looks like wood by wears like tile I guess. (I prefer ceramic tile, but that is a costly investment.)
So, I think it is fine. In my experience it certainly is.
Michelle Malthead is hosting Hearland and she's dwelling on the Vast, Left Wing Conspiracy. Guess they're setting the tone for '06. Fuck.
steve simels ...
Thanks. I'm tired for sure.
Not-Mister is a lot better. They took him off the IV anti-biotics on Thursday, which made him happy because he said they were so harsh he could smell them coming out of his pores. He still has to take it easy for a while, which is fine with him, because he has one of those nine zillion cable channel packages that gives him access to every sporting event occuring in every corner of this planet.
Thanks for asking.
NYMary,
(sorry wrong thread. I am just resting betweeen bouts with the mini hacksaw and was not paying attention.)
"This was no collection of fringe characters."
Precisely. And contrary to "atrios"'s lies, all these people did was to call for a particular judge's impeachment.
If calling for someone's impeachment is an indication of radical lunacy, then what does that make "atrios" and his ilk?
Heartland
"Why did the son of a bitch who owned this house before put a washer under the bolt to the flange that holds the toilet down? Dumbass."
--DWD
I remember when we moved into the house we live in now my husband commented "the plumbing was done by trolls." Ha, that was at least 12 years before the internets.
P.S. I'm sorry about your plumbing problems.
Slouching Towards Bethlehem was published in the good economic times of the Clinton 90s.
In it, Bork basically said it would require another Great Depression to force America back to its "moral" roots.
It was like he was laying out the Dominionist and Opus Dei joint plan to ascendency.
Dick Cheney put it into action.
DWD - You need a Saws-All, you can retire the hacksaw.
I don't have cable, but I watch at my mom's house occasionally. We need a nationwide movement to cancel cable service. Either set a series of dates for participants to call in and cancel their service. Or better yet, just stop paying the bill and turn the damn thing off.
chris/tx,
When I worked as a professional carpenter, we called the Sawzall the "Rambo saw."
If calling for someone's impeachment is an indication of radical lunacy, then what does that make "atrios" and his ilk?
And if they'd called for a 'final solution' to deal with Kennedy and other judges, that would be fine, eh, hat?
What a stupid cunt you are.
Sawzall is a brand name of reciprocating saw manufactured by Milwalkee heavy duty tools.
Don't argue with a carpenter.
I love hat. I knew he'd take the bait. I decided not to put out the full Stalin quote, assuming one of our monkeys would defend it.
The full Stalin quote which the guy was quoting from was:
"Death solves all problems: no man, no problem."
One does not appeal to Stalin's approach to dealing with "problems" without knowing exactly what is being said.
NYMary -
The REAL saw is a chainsaw. Only used in demo work and timber framing.
Barndog/NYMary - Ah, I was spelling it like it sounded, never seen the word in print. My Dad was a master carpenter, and my brother is a master electrician among a hundred other talents. So I was raised in the, we don't need no stink'n help to fix anything. But the Sawzall was certainly one of the great advancements in tools, along with all the nail/staple guns.
"Why did the son of a bitch who owned this house before put a washer under the bolt to the flange that holds the toilet down? Dumbass."
--DWD
probably cuz the ring onto which the the toilet proper attaches to the 4" plumbing hub had cracked and the closet bolt wouldn't hold without the washer...
as you're about to discover, replacing the retaining ring is a pretty messy chore...
sorry pal...
I want filkertom to design a shirt which says: STFU about Jesus.
I want a t-shirt with tena's slogan on it:
"I have Jesus Fatigue." or alternatively, the rude pundit's version will work: "I am Christ Weary." Either one would work as a tee shirt, doncha think? I've been telling tena to add it to the first draft shop, but, alas, she is too busy.
replacing the retaining ring is a pretty messy chore...
Yeah, I would not do it right after eating, and you probably want to wear a breathing mask if the toilet has not been off it's seat in a decade or more.
ORDER #227 BY THE PEOPLE’S COMMISSAR OF DEFENCE OF THE USSR
Moscow, 28 July1942
The enemy feeds more and more resources to the front, and, paying no attention to losses, moves on, penetrates deeper into the Soviet Union, captures new areas, devastates and plunders our cities and villages, rapes, kills and robs the Soviet people. The fighting goes on in Voronezh area, at Don, in the Southern Russia, at the gates of the North Caucasus. The German invaders are driving towards Stalingrad, towards Volga, and want to capture Kuban and the North Caucasus with their oil and bread riches at any price. The enemy has already captured Voroshilovgrad, Starobelsk, Rossosh, Kupyansk, Valuiki, Novocherkassk, Rostov on Don, half of Voronezh. Some units of the South front, following the panic-mongers, have abandoned Rostov and Novocherkassk without serious resistance and without order from Moscow, thus covering their banners with shame.
The people of our country, who treat the Red Army with love and respect, are now starting to be disappointed with it, lose faith in the Red Army, and many of them curse the Army for its fleeing to the east and leaving the population under German yoke.
Some unwise people at the front comfort themselves with arguments that we can continue the retreat to the east, as we have vast territories, a lot of soil, many people, and that we will always have abundance of bread. By these arguments they try to justify their shameful behaviour at the front. But all these arguments are fully false, faked and working for our enemies...
http://www.mishalov.com/
Stalin_2...n_28July42.html
Ironically apropos 
About a year before I retired (abeit medically), I finally broke down and bought a finish nail gun.
Step Dad was a Master cabinetmaker, but mostly he is a screaming abusive asshole alcoholic. He can't even hardly pick up a cigarette with his hand now, from using a bad hammer stroke for so many years. Kept telling me when I was learning the trade, that my hammer stroke was going to be my demise too.
I can still drive 16D's with a tap and 1 swing, with a 23oz Estwing. All in the wrist, baby. All in the wrist.
But the Sawzall was certainly one of the great advancements in tools, along with all the nail/staple guns.
chris/tx - 9:03 pm
pneumatic framing is the bane of carpentry...everything is stick-framed, toenailed, and shot threeor four times; instead of being framed through the plate, into the studs...
it's only about a third as strong, and it's messy, and it Just Ain't Rite, gawddamit...
i will agree that the sawzall, along with the worm-drive skilsaw, and a brace of cordless screwguns, are advances that have 'improved' the craft...once upon a time, everything was nailed, and not only studs and joists...there's little as impermanent as a nailed deck outside, fer instance...
now, cuz of the screwguns and improved materials in screws (and the square-head screw itself), we nail almost nothing that's gonna be exposed to the elements...
just sayin...
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Ah.... the old shitter flange replacement.
That's a fun job. Call a plumber. You won't regret spending the money.
But many campaigners believe otherwise. Just as the Bush administration has banned the media from taking photographs of the coffins of American troops killed in Iraq as they arrive in the US, opponents say it is now trying to cover up the number of wounded.
No one on this board hates the Bush Crime Syndicate more than I do but I don't believe they have anything to do with flight arrivals. I have never taken a military air flight that did not leave or arrive in the US in the middle of the night.
Ah!!! Welcome, members, all, of the Shitter Flange Replacement Brigade, I salute you!!! You have gonne where few have noluntarily ventured, and returned, albeit damaged and resentful. Drink a strong cup, and take a dee breath in the memory of those who never returned, swallowed by the all-consuming 4" hub!!
Wasn't Bork's book Slouching Towards Gomorrah?
& hat is too dumb, too funny.
"Why did the son of a bitch who owned this house before put a washer under the bolt to the flange that holds the toilet down? Dumbass."
We came home after being away for Thanksgiving to find water spreading out from the sump pump drain. It turned out that the previous owner had put a valve in the sump pump output line and left it closed. I have no idea why anyone would put a valve there.
He was supposedly some sort of engineer.
The REAL saw is a chainsaw. Only used in demo work and timber framing.
Barndog --9:01 pm
i just spent $90 to have my 1970 Skil Model 77 (aluminum chassis) reconditioned. You couldnt't buy half the saw today for twice the money...i have dimmed the lights of a small village ripping damp 2x6s on a saw horse...
WGG - I did some roofing in college around '79, and we used one of the early staple guns. Anyway, a tornado came through and peeled off the whole roof of shingles in a big sheet.
Barndog - My dads specialty was as a master cabinetmaker as well. One time his friend came over and was telling my dad about his beautiful cabinets he had made. After my dad showed him the cabinets he built for our house, the guy went home, tore his out and started over. Those cabinets are over forty years old now, and all still swing true. He was a big believer in glue, clamps, and letting everything dry overnight.
You got that right, WGG. I had a guy I worked for, that went and cut the hose on the guns one day. He walked up to the wall the FNG's were nailing off, and promptly kicked all the studs off the bottom plate.
He said "until you fuckers can learn how to nail with a goddamm hammer and a pouch full of 16's, you won't be using that compressor anymore. You just cost me about $100 in materials and $300 in labor. Tear that son-of-a-bitch down, and do it right".
okay, if I have a cheaply built, new construction house and I want to get rid of the wretched carpet and replace it with X, what do you guys recommend X should be, within serious fiscal constraints...?>
Great story:
When my daughter was maybe nine, she was working in a scene shop with me building platforming. She took some time lining up the surface to the frame, and getting the screwdriver bit on the drill sorted out. An elderly fellow, mistaking her care for lack of knowledge, came over and said "Oh, honey. Let me show you." She obediently handed him the gun and watched as he laboriously installed one screw. She smiled sweetly at him as he said "Now you try."
Then proceeded to install four screws in about twenty seconds.
I love that kid.
That's what the Busheviks are: cheap, cheatin, toe-nailin, corner-cuttin, charlatan, no-talent, mutherfuckers
pneumatic framing is the bane of carpentry...everything is stick-framed, toenailed, and shot threeor four times; instead of being framed through the plate, into the studs...
it's only about a third as strong, and it's messy, and it Just Ain't Rite, gawddamit...
What about those factory built trusses, are they better or worse than roof trusses built on site?
I sold my Milwalkee worm drive circular (left-handed) right after I stopped working. I must have bought that 20 years ago.
Talking about dimming a city block full of lights when ripping 2x6's...
And the FIRST TIME I took it on an apt. framing job with me and let some ASSHOLE USE IT, they cut the fucking cord. Did I come un-fucking-glued.
I made the crew foreman go to the dealer and buy a new fucking cord.
I took it back, and taped the other one up. Only nicked the insulation. But, I made my point. LOL Beer money is a premium when yer a carpenter, dammit.
Pre-engineered trusses are for SHIT. Stick build on site whenever you can.
You carpenters gonna weigh in on my flooring question downstairs?
okay, if I have a cheaply built, new construction house and I want to get rid of the wretched carpet and replace it with X, what do you guys recommend X should be, within serious fiscal constraints...?
Sarah Deere -- 9:26 pm
there now dozens of different pergo-like laminate flooring materials. They're not really all that difficult to install, if you have any skill with a table saw...prices are going down a lot on the materials...
you probably have friends or acquaintances who've installed the stuff...
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Sarah,
There's a flooring discussion in the open thread.
Oh, and another thing - whatever you do, don't let anyone talk you into using them fucking ignorant "I" beam 2x2 & plywood floor joists. Those are even more worthless than engineered trusses, even with the cross bracing.
Use 2x12's and if it's a long house, a solid steel "I" beam with steel jack posts to support it, if you have a basement. Do not scrimp on the framing of your house. You will regret it later, trust me.
"So that's a dominionist, huh?"
magnolia 04.09.05 - 8:30 pm
No. For an interesting primer go to TJ's blog and click through the links at "Meet the Dominionists." His page address is in my URL.
jimmiraybob | Email | Homepage | 04.09.05 - 8:46 pm | #
Thanks Jimmiraybob and TJ
NYMary
That statement will resist water damage from everyday spills and damp mopping when water is promptly removed says it all. What they are saying is "the first time the dog spills some water out of her and you don't notice it right away you will have a problem."
I wouldn't touch anything with a weasel word statement like that.
... dog spills some water out of her bowl and you don't notice it ...
NYM:
i go with some of the opinions alrady appended to your inquiry, dahlin...
Real wood is always best...
(the other)Dr.J's correct that you should eschew laminate in the proximity of possible water exposure, as it will delaminate...
there are some very real-wood-looking composition tiles that look like in-lay, for kitchens...
pergo-like laminates are good for places that do not get real heavy, bearing furniture loads, too...
that's my experience, anyway
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thanks for the reference, jimmyraybob.
re: flooring. Thanks, guys (and gals)
God, I hate carpeting and being poor, equally.
But not nearly as much as I hate wing=nuts and the BFEE.
SD
Use 2x12's and if it's a long house, a solid steel "I" beam with steel jack posts to support it, if you have a basement. Do not scrimp on the framing of your house. You will regret it later, trust me.
My father once worked with a guy who built houses as a second job. My father said that he built them with no interior load bearing walls just in case you later wanted to remodel. Of course the fact that he was the grader at the local sawmill and could pick out the lumber he wanted helped.
Key line? Key LINE? Shite. I was sure that said Key Lime.
I only come here for the pie.
I saw the caption to this post and thought I saw, "Key Lime"
Yummmmm!!
I don't know what it means, but there is tremendous significance in the far right quoting Josef Stalin with approval...
Roddy McCorley
One of the propaganda names of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution was calling the opponents of the chaos, Chinese Kruschev's: revisionists of the Stalinist ideals.
That the Busheviks would be quoting Stalin is hardly surprising to me.
I thought it said Key Lime, too!!!
(and began to salivate...)
A couple more things, then I'm off to bed (damm rheumatoid) - ___league is right... engineered trusses require shitloads of bearing walls to support the load, because they are flimsy.
And, for the record - every square inch of Pergo in my home is glue-seam. That snap-lock shit is as cheap as it comes.
Saws-All! Oooh-Oooh-Oooh!
I thought the key line was that one fundie citing Stalin approvingly.
Small home improvement ditty since everyone is going on.
Been working this house bit by bit since purchase a year and half back. Time to work on the garage walls, really in bad shape. First thing to do is pull off the many 2/4's the owner had put up in various places to hang tools, hoses, bikes, ladders and such. Since this was on sheet rock and the guy only used heavy nails, I was working carefully with a block of wood and a small pry bar to prevent denting the sheet rock.
1. Not a single nail was in stud. I ended up pulling them by hand once I realized there was no resistance.
2. Three were placed vertical on top of studs and he still managed to nail through to the outboard of the stud.
I am surprised in the 38 years he was in the house, his stuff didn't come crashing down at some point.
Truly amazing.
Guess I'm really hungry. I keep reading the title "Key LIME"
If it were not for Christian Charity, 83% of the writers here would not have been allowed out of puberty.
Thersites is correct (IRC) about the title of Bork's book
in regard to a (much earlier) thread where the question of daily mass came up I offered the following (long after the thread wasd dead, but I see some of the same posters & questioners here)
"Mass" is just the word (from the dismissal of the service) that became the common name for the service deriving from the Last Supper, the Holy Communion or the Lord's Supper, now frequently referred to by the name "the Holy Eucharist" (an eastern name that avoided the baggage of the western arguments)
Some Anglo-Catholic parishes will have daily mass (viz., St. Mary the Virgin in NYC) -- we certainly do in the monastery
Mass is NOT part of the Divine (aka "Daily") Office -- all professed monks are bound to the recitation of the office but not all monks are priests -- BTW RC canon law specifies that a priest should preside at the celebration of the Eucharist "from time to time"
Generally speaking parishes (as opposed to monasteries) in the Eastern Churches do NOT offer daily mass because the parish clergy are married & priests are not allowed to celebrate the "Liturgy" (i.e., "mass' etc.) if they have had intercourse with their wives the night before (see Levitical purity codes)
If calling for someone's impeachment is an indication of radical lunacy, then what does that make "atrios" and his ilk?
hat
True and Great Americans. Defenders of the Constitution of the United States from the Busheviks (like hat) and their brand of Stalinist political demagoguery that seek to destroy all of the great things that America's Founding Fathers (and Abigail and the women) stood for.
This is a product of the commercial media. This media cannot sandwich between the credit card commercials any references to what amounts to information. Thus, they elect the "outrage de jour". Example: the current bankruptcy bill. Congress can only enact this legislation where there is a blackout of news on the bill. As a person from the reddest of red states, I can attest to this phenomenon. Sessions is a major sponsor of this legislation and Alabama files the fifth largest number of bankruptcies in the country. How does he get away with it? He is secure in the knowledge that no media that will address his contintuents will address the egregous nature of this legislation because they run financial services industry advertising as their principle means of revenue.
Alas, America.
Regarding the outrage that these "patriotic Americans" feel at the Supreme Court's increasing tendency to consider the attitudes of foreign nations in reaching some of their decisions, perhaps they should ponder this passage by James Madison in Federalist Number 63:
"An attention to the judgment of other nations is important to every government for two reasons: the one is, that, independently of the merits of any particular plan or measure, it is desirable, on various accounts, that it should appear to other nations as the offspring of a wise and honorable policy; the second is, that in doubtful cases, particularly where the national councils may be warped by some strong passion or momentary interest, the presumed or known opinion of the impartial world may be the best guide that can be followed. What has not America lost by her want of character with foreign nations; and how many errors and follies would she not have avoided, if the justice and propriety of her measures had, in every instance, been previously tried by the light in which they would probably appear to the unbiased part of mankind?"
Reminds me of the 'IMPEACH EARL WARREN' billboards you could see on a leisurely drive down South, not so long ago.
They typically were pockmarked with bullet/shotgun holes, having been used for target practice by God-fearing, Commie-hating rednecks.
These goddamn "christians" sure are a bloodthirsty bunch, aren't they? I often wonder which Bible they read. Obviously not the New Testament of Jesus Christ.
We fought a war to get rid of the Taliban, now it's time to declare war on the Talibaptists. Who are even worse.
I guess I'm just getting old.
Forty years ago these whack jobs would not have received any coverage whatsoever. The Birchers from that era got little coverage and what they got was contemptuous. They were reduced to putting up billboards that most people laughed off.
For that matter 90% of the Republicans in today's Congress couldn't have been elected dogcatcher.
This is what we've been reduced to.
History matters.
This is the legacy of the Reagan years.
It's civil war, with the legislative branch attacking the judiciary, and everybody loses.
"As many OF noted..."? "OF noted...?" WTF????
The xian "fringe" has mestasticized, unchallenged by our pusillamious media, for over a generation now, infesting the corridors of power with their medieval sensibilities and desire for Dominion. Now it seems periously close to running the country. The theos' volatile mixture of boldness, ignorance, and hypocracy is really captured in the Stalin quote.
Two things here: First, anyone who is truly afraid of these people, and who has NO INTENTION of going gently into that good night, should be a Second Amendment absolutist.
Second, read Simon Monteforie's "Stalin: Court of the Red Tsar" for further enlightment on the midcentury Soviet atrocity state. From reading that, I was confirmed in the belief I always had about Stalinism: how its operating principles -- fervert devotion to absolutes of right and wrong, which are profoundly inimical to both common sense and human decency; belief in terror as a tool to purge society of the undesirable elements that stand in the way of paradise -- are indistinguishable from the MO of the Schlafy's and DeLay's of our unfortunate times.
Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration
"Judeo-" Christian my ass. There's nothing "Judeo" about these nutcases. They'd be the first ones to make us convert or ship us off to the camps.
"Judeo-" Christian my ass. There's nothing "Judeo" about these nutcases. They'd be the first ones to make us convert or ship us off to the camps."
THANK you, deja pseu. I noticed that name too. Just a nod to the Schindlers, whom they'd ship off in a red hot minute were they not their current "issue."
(Issue=yet another excuse to attack and destroy the Constitution)
Interesting time for this discussion in light of the prominence of Christianity at the moment following the death of the pope
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What's great here is the same guy who is so approvingly quoting Stalin cites Kennedy's supposed "Marx-Lenin influence" as a reason to oppose him. What I want to know is, how do these people manage to have their heads not exploding constantly from the sheer cognitive dissonance?
Nathan Newman has been posting some really fascinating and thought provoking stuff about the filibuster and the judiciary. On the judiciary he basically argues that the courts are not what many liberals think they are - protestors of minotiry rights. He details several egregious examples of the US Sup Ct undermining minoroty rights and undermining legislative efforts to protect minority rights.
...links below...
Supreme Court - Mob Rule Central
http://www.nathannewman.org/log/...es/
002504.shtml
Why progressives should support ending the filibuster
http://www.nathannewman.org/labo...ve/
002456.shtml
What I want to know is, how do these people manage to have their heads not exploding constantly from the sheer cognitive dissonance?
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Paradox-absorbing crumple zones.
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I found interesting that the Post chose not to publish the names of the House members who attended the conference, nor those of the Senators who sent their aides to attend. The public needs to know what kind of positions their elected officials espouse. Failing to reveal the names of those who expressed their support for violence against judges simply offers them political cover that they do not heed more help obtaining.
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