I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
HEY FUCK BUSH AND ANYONE WHO EVEN LIKES HIM A LITTLE
DWD...amen
Frankly, they'd prefer to stone women who engage in sexual activity, but if that's not an option, then, sure, they'll settle for cancer.
Ultimately Bush will equal Hitler because they will have the same legacy: every bad guy is, with or without grounds, a new Dumbya; he will be a kind of iconic political nadir; whoever you don''t like will be compared to him; his special punishment in Hell will be fodder for humorists; the idea of him getting cloned and restored to power will fire satirical imaginations, etc.
I has a feeling the fundies would be upset by that vaccine. Damn, just once I wish these people would disappoint me and use common sense.
I hate these people. WTF is the MATTER w/them?
They would rather people (women) die???
Culture of Life, my Aunt Susie.
I want to grab them by the throat.....
(they can call it the Christian States of America, or whatever, I don't care)
That'd be convenient, they can keep all their monogrammed stuff.
Outfuckingrageous!
Anybody know about this vaccine? Can it be given before puberty, say as part of the constellation of vaccines given to infants?
That may subvert the rhetoric from the culture of death folks.
In the US, for instance, religious groups are gearing up to oppose vaccination, despite a survey showing 80 per cent of parents favour vaccinating their daughters. “Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV,” says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council
Oh fuck, fuck fuckity fuckity fuck!!!!!!!!!
I CANNOT STAND THESE PEOPLE!!!
I had a feeling. Whatever.
They're saving them to death.
(they can call it the Christian States of America, or whatever, I don't care)
That'd be convenient, they can keep all their monogrammed stuff.
Because, heaven knows, until we got contraception and abortion and this vaccine, no one ever had sex before or outside of marriage.
Yes, they did.
If they're a culture of life, I'm an American Idol. Or a psycho killer. Or a giant flying fire-breathing turtle with tusks. Or a thin guy. Or any of a gazillion other things I'm not.
No, that disease is the punishment for fucking.
So of course the fundie shitstains are against it.
We need to be rid of these assholes, permanently. They've demonstrated they're incapable of playing nice. Deport the lot of them.
Live our way or die, so sayeth the Talibornagains.
(I don't remember who here came up with Talibornagains, but I really like it)
I don't get it. What does early vaccination have to do with sex?
before anyone else remembers: George Carlin said, "the only time Christians care about life is before birth or after death."
Christian States of America (CSA)
Hmmmm where have we seen that on belt buckles, muzzle loaders and other southern equipment and dress.
Oh yeah, Confederate States of America. Wow, they do not even need to design a new logo. Bet they have a lot of left over inventory still in mothballs waiting for the day the south rises again.
Hecate, it's the old joke about "How did they decide what the Missionary Position is?" If I recall early religious studies correctly, the bugaboo got stuck in the head of a few whackjobs like St. Augustine that sex (and almost anything else that was physically pleasurable) was a distraction from what you should be thinking about, i.e., God.
I encountered a preacher on the diag of the University of Michigan, oh, twenty-five years ago, thereabouts, who went through all of the standard symptoms of megalomania to describe how we should be towards God. When I pointed out that this was in fact a known and diagnosed mental disease that anyone would be put away for, he literally excused it by saying, "Well, yes, but here it's all right, because he is God".
They're fucked in the head for love of their stupid invisible superhero.
Might I suggest Pitcairn island as a location for the CSA. I suspect their numbers will dwindle when they realize they can't mess with their first cousin, spit on the sidewalk and tacos are too furrin.
K&Y -- word.
We need to be rid of these assholes, permanently. They've demonstrated they're incapable of playing nice. Deport the lot of them.
Gary Frazier | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 7:14 pm
I'm for it. The worst of them are demonstrably traitors to pretty much everything the United States stands for. I don't consider people like Frist, Randall Terry, Jerry Falwell, and Rummy Americans at all. They're some evil mutation that call themselves Americans, but work as hard as they can to undermine the whole thing.
No sex, ok?
Alright, no sex for gal young 'uns. That's almost as good. If you have any questions, please see your preacher or, if absolutely necessary, your priest.
Could we make a distinction here. I feel a bit for the average Christian who does operate in good faith with the rest of the sane world. Can we deliniate between the fundie god versus the other Christians' god. I know too many people who are sane and Christian to feel good about insulting them by simple association.
filkertom,
Reminds me of Asimov's great line: Most gods have the morals and the manners of a spoiled child. Whatever sick version of Yehova these perverts believe in could use some instruction from a spoiled child, IMHO.
Might I suggest Pitcairn island as a location for the CSA. I suspect their numbers will dwindle when they realize they can't mess with their first cousin, spit on the sidewalk and tacos are too furrin.
EkCenTrik | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 7:18 pm
I always liked Allen Sherman's suggested Perpetual War Zone -- rope off Greenland, and let warring clans, countries, and corporations have it out up there, with anything from sticks and rocks to nukes. Anyone attempting to initiate hostilities outside the Zone will be parachuted naked into it.
I don't get it. What does early vaccination have to do with sex?
Fundie children do *NOT* ever even think about premarital sex.
Therefore, to have them vaccinated would be to encourage them to do so.
As Hecate pointed out - its all us liberals fault. We just had to get started with contraception and abortion and AIDs drugs and all the rest of it.
What creates people like this?
What makes them so bone-deep mean?
So certain of their own infallibility?
How does this happen...? And why are we so hard-pressed to shove them back into the cages in which they should be permanently encased?
No kidding - really. I do not understand.
"...the citizens of Wingnuttia, who truly should be given their own homeland somewhere..."
All right, here's the first five buck donation for that... who else is in?
Give 'em some land in the Middle East somwhere... that should keep 'em busy for quite a while.
Actually, never mind, that wouldn't be fair to the current inhabitants.
...
Hey, I'VE GOT IT! MARS, BITCHES! The Christian States of MARS!
Of course because they're so worried about abortion they'll get right on that poverty thing, right?
Might I suggest Pitcairn island as a location for the CSA.
Should work. I seem to remember reading about lots of sexual abuse on Pitcairn recently? The fundies should feel right at home.
Alright, no sex for gal young 'uns.
So who do the old perverts have sex with then?
I will probably shoot the thesis of my continuing essay but here goes: Listen, people, we have to keep this discussion as simple as possible. People are so woefully ignorant that they are incapable of discerning the truth. In the elementary school we are called upon to do programs several times a year: the tried and true rule is to KISS. (Keep It Simple, Stupid)
When talking to these wingnuts, just keep your thoughts simple and ask them how they feel about such a thing. I was just discussing this with an obvious Bush supporter. I asked her, "How are you enjoying your economy since the election? Have you noticed how the stock market is enjoying record highs and wages for CEOs have never been better?" She looked aghast and then started telling me about how her company was laying off workers right and left.
Point made. Nothing about nuance: simply ask the right questions.
"Do you believe that we should throw away our Constitutional rights?"
"Do you think that we should be doing more for our soldiers - both in Iraq and once they get home?"
"Do you believe that someone else should be making the most painful personal decisions for your family?"
By forcing them to consider, not the theoretical but the tactile and real events in life; we can win. If we couch the debate correctly, there is no way the moderates can align themselves with the nutcases. KISS and pass the word. Keeping it simple will work.
Reminds me of when the voters in Ok turned down a special bill to increase funds for breast cancer. I voted for it
and asked one of the fundies why he voted against it? 'Cos men don't get breast cancer, ' was his reply.
There have been so many wars against women. Many men are terrified of the sexual power women gave over men. They want to control everything.
Could we make a distinction here. I feel a bit for the average Christian who does operate in good faith with the rest of the sane world. Can we deliniate between the fundie god versus the other Christians' god. I know too many people who are sane and Christian to feel good about insulting them by simple association.
EkCenTrik
EkCenTrik,
I often make this mastake and tar them all w/the same brush.
You are correct, in my opinion. There are decent and sane and honest Xians. Unfortunately, their voices are either mute or too soft, which is why I get pissed off at them.
If the principles of their Christ are worth anything, they need to stand on their hind legs and be heard.
What makes them so bone-deep mean?
Fear. They're living in a world they honest-to-the-sky-being don't understand. And they're almost smart enough to know they never will. So they fall back on certainty - not truth but certainty. It gives them a measure of comfort.
Hecate -- I tell ya. When I was a gamer, my chosen system was RuneQuest (now HeroQuest, at http://www.glorantha.com), and it's steeped in a game-world filled with gods, spirits, etc., etc., that are dealt with in almost excruciating detail. Emphasis is on the place of the gods in people's lives, what the gods get from worship, and what they give in return.
Goofing with that game since, what, 1978 has taught me more about the needs, drives, motivations, and tactics of religions than anything else. And, the biggest thing it taught me is that, in between god-wars, most gods are basically hoarding their turf and dealing spitefully with competitors.
I've never seen anything in the "real world" to convince me otherwise.
'have' not 'gave'
No kidding - really. I do not understand.
Sarah Deere
"I suspect self-perceived notions of victimization coupled with extreme guilt over their own actions" They transfer some of that with the view if the temptations were not bandied about, they would not have succumbed.
Hey I want to visit Mars Mister X, don't ruin it before I get there.
Hecate, I thought I had heard Pitcairn has actually been abandoned recently since all of the scandals and a few other issues.
kei & yuri,
Yeah, I'm sure they'll get to it any minute now. First, they had to eliminate the estate tax for some reason.
Antarctica.
They can have Antarctica.
It's big enough for all of them, and they're too dumb to survive very long on their own.
K&Y -- I suspect they're not gonna be happy until they get us to Fritz Lang's Metropolis. And, of course, they won't be happy then, either.
What is it about them, that they can't leave people alone!?
And just where do they think young women are getting this virus? From sexually active men, that's who. A woman could be a virgin until her marriage but if her spouse isn't, she is vulnerable. I guess that's her "appropriate" punishment in their Old Testament universe for marrying someone who "slipped" ?
Very upsetting.
I'm with flory. They're so afraid of death, their entire religion is based around it. Add the cannibalistic elements, and you've got some weird shit.
If you want to have sex, you deserve to die. I seem to remember that's in the Bible somewhere, right? Or was it in the Dead Sea Scrolls...
Pharmacists who think that they are working for Jesus should lose their licenses.
rawstory.com talking about clint curtis on their brand new i radio station
Add the cannibalistic elements, and you've got some weird shit.
Eating the heart of your enemy makes you strong.
talking to clint curtis. sorry
Alright, no sex for gal young 'uns.
So who do the old perverts have sex with then?
flory
That's where the preachers and priests thing comes in. I could probably throw in rabbis and babas etc, but it's mostly preachers and priests I hear about. Often. Repeatedly. Like, a pattern.
Get the fuck away from my bloody reproductive system! When I want you to play with it I’ll call you. Until then, hands off!!!!!
Fuck this shit!!
(very pissed, again)
They can have Antarctica.
Oh sure - just give away the penguins homeland. Where do the tuxedoed ones go? 
NTodd -- the craziest thing about their whole freakin' gig is that we are all going to die. Can't avoid it, can't do much more than postpone it. And then all-powerful, all-knowing, all-merciful* Big Juju decides what your fate will be for the rest of eternity.
If Big Juju is so damn omniwhatever, why don't they just let people live their own lives, and he'll judge 'em after they're dead... unless they're not sure he's so infallible after all? Or not even sure he exists to give 'em the karmic smackdown? Don't they trust the wisdom of their own chosen overlord?
* for sufficiently obsequious values of you
People like Bush, (who is too stupid to know better) have no idea what they have unleashed on the world.
"Yea, I 'll pretend to be a Christian, and they all vote for me…. he he he"
These people are no different from the Taliban. The only thing that stops Pat Robertson from putting 75% of the USA on the top of a bonfire is the law. And that is why they have to get all their activist judges installed.
They are so riddled with guilt, hatred, and inadequacy that their only release is to feel power over weaker people.
I am still waiting for the decent Republicans to stand up to them. But I now think that their minds are so mushed with Sunday morning bullshit that they will just go over the cliff with them.
"You are correct, in my opinion. There are decent and sane and honest Xians. Unfortunately, their voices are either mute or too soft, which is why I get pissed off at them."
That is what I do not understand to a degree. In my mind, the core components of this fundie movement is actually small by percentage. It seems smaller the more we go through time. But they insist on representing a much larger body of people. Those people must realize they are being hijacked by simply not being involved or speaking up. Their passivity allows them to be hit with that broad brush. And if things go to far, once the smoke clears, they will be on the wrong side of the line.
My suspicion is that between a backdoor process in the churches, a lot have been co-opted without understanding it. (ala promise keepers and their church cells). The other process is an over simplified view that if someone says they are christian, then they must be like all christians. Hence if we flog "these christians", we are flogging them all.
I think a lot of the liberal and democrat dialogue needs to get much more specific and make sure it is noticed.
Oh sure - just give away the penguins homeland. Where do the tuxedoed ones go?
Fuck 'em if they can't fly.
Can we spell
S-E-X-U-A-L-L-Y R-E-P-R-E-S-S-E-D
kids?
These whack-jobs are diagnosable!
They can have Antarctica.
Oh sure - just give away the penguins homeland. Where do the tuxedoed ones go?
flory | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 7:33 pm
There's gotta be a Fred Astaire movie set around here somewhere....
we are all going to die
Filk, that's just crazy talk.
“Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV,” says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council
The woman who is raped, of course, was probably "asking for it".
The woman whose cheating husband gives her HPV probably wasn't a good wife, and her husband obviously isn't a good Christian if he's screwing around anyway.
QC:
but it's mostly preachers and priests I hear about.
Well, with the priests its mostly boy young-uns, but otherwise - exactly.....
I am still waiting for the decent Republicans to stand up to them
Sorry to invoke Godwin, but those who kept waiting for the decent Germans to stand up to Hitler were sorely disappointed....
S-E-X-U-A-L-L-Y R-E-P-R-E-S-S-E-D
How do you pronounce that? "Fucking batshit insane"?
OT Komissar Chesthair
Cockburn on Coke
screwing up India
as much trouble as oil will give us, water is going to really go crazy.
NTodd,
The pony's in the mail.
"...I want to grab them by the throat
Sarah Deere"
Sarah, I would like to grab them by something far more sensitive.
Yay!.
More batshit fuckwads. Like there wasn't enough already.
we are all going to die
Isn't that "Whoopee - we're all gonna die...."?
I'm in a musical time shift since that last thread.
The pony's in the mail.
Whoohoo! I'd better get the paddock ready...
Instead of vacinating men to prevent women from contracting that disease, I suggest that we castrate every single male Fundie all over the world, and many, many other problems can be solved at the very same time.
Susan.... that's where you ease a slipknotted rope over the area in which you are referring too, and attaching it to a 4x4 diesel truck.
Hop in, floor it and have fun. Make sure it's full of fuel when you start. Helps out alot if the subject is handcuffed and/or hogtied.
as much trouble as oil will give us, water is going to really go crazy.
Yes, it is. Some days, I know just how Cassandra felt.
"...I want to grab them by the throat
Sarah Deere"
Sarah, I would like to grab them by something far more sensitive.
susan
--
I'm not able to grab them without puking, but if you sucker punch them down, I'll shoot them.
wadda ya think?
Consider this
Those with brains will safeguard their children properly regardless. This covers many thing from the subject of this thread to simply providing a bit of knowledge, wisdom and real parenting. Now if you teach only abstinence, and will likely not provide real information on sex, sexual biology and relation ships in general, where do you think you will see the biggest increase in sexually transmitted diseases and teen births.
Stinky sez:
her husband obviously isn't a good Christian if he's screwing around anyway.
This should read: "her husband obviously isn't a good Christian if he gets caught screwing around anyway."
.
I suggest that we castrate every single male Fundie all over the world...
Sallyh is sharpening her boning knife...
Ba®ndog - um, as a guy all I can say is 'ouch.'
Fundies are a cruel lot. During Prohibition, when people were dying or being blinded or sickened by bad liquor, the Fundies used these unfortunate examples in Sunday sermons, a "that's what you get when you break God's law" type shit.
Which was real effective...
Sallyh is sharpening her boning knife
Sounds like it is now a deboner knife.
flory - heh, you said 'boning'. Hehheh.
I still have that rusty chainsaw available...
This is very much on-topic:
"
A report to the UN human rights commission in Geneva has concluded that Iraqi children were actually better off under Saddam Hussein than they are now.
"
here
if we laugh we will never stop laughing and people will think it's for the wrong reason
I'm with The Liberal Avenger: If a pharmacist decides "on moral grounds" that they can't fill a prescription, they have no fucking business being a pharmacist.
Terminate their livihoods, and let these maggots face the consequences of their fundie faith.
People like Bush, (who is too stupid to know better) have no idea what they have unleashed on the world.
sally | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 7:34 pm
I think you put your finger on it. Hypothesis: There are two kinds of people in the world -- those who look at the Big Picture, and those who look at a part of the Big Picture and think they're looking at all of it.
Everyone is in both categories at some point -- for example, it's a lot easier to relax and look at fun things to do when this month's bills have been paid; to be more specific, if you've called in all your favors, taken back your bottles for deposit, sold a few books on eBay, and you're still $50 shy of the credit card payment, that can fill your world.
We, as progressive liberals, tend to focus on a Big Picture of helping people who cannot help themselves. Repubs tend to Darwinian economics, old-school Golden Rule, i.e., who's got the gold, etc. At the largest perspective, we are trying to level the class structure, and they are trying to emphasize it, with themselves at the top of a pyramid.
The big difference, besides we think of ourselves as trying to help those who need help the most and they (I presume) think of themselves as encouraging everyone to help themselves, is that we are willing to look ahead to all the possible effects, pro and con, of their and our actions. I really think they don't do the same -- they look at their plans' advantages, and either don't care about the cause-and-effect as long as they've got their pieces of the pie or write off any disadvantage and detriment to those less fortunate as an example of Only The Strong Surviving.
It has been noted elsewhere the contradiction of many Repubs being against science but for a Darwinian economic model, but I really suspect that their willful ignorance of their own social/political activities as evolutionary features, i.e., affecting the future of the species, will come back to haunt them. Unfortunately, it will also haunt us.
Like I said, just a hypothesis.
Jerks! Jerks! Jerks! I can't understand the religious right. What is wrong with them? Why are they so stupid in the head and in the heart?
I still have that rusty chainsaw available...
Reminds me of Heathers: fuck me gently with a chainsaw!
Never you mind J. "Mary" Hoover.
.
we are all going to die
Filk, that's just crazy talk.
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 7:35 pm
Hey, you got a line on immortality treatment? Sign me up. 
"...I want to grab them by the throat
Sarah Deere"
Sarah, I would like to grab them by something far more sensitive.
susan
--
I'm not able to grab them without puking, but if you sucker punch them down, I'll shoot them.
wadda ya think?
robinhood
Deal.
In a conflict informed by both Hobbes and Malthus, life itself is a weapon...sex is a weapon of oppression when only the culturally privileged will have the resources to control their own sexuality. the poor, the ignorant, the immigrrant, the addict, the rest will oppress themselves with children, poverty and disease...hard to rebel, revolt, when you cant draw breath without wheezing ashtmatically, while hobblin around on diabetic feet...
d-fuckin-uh
.
Isn't that "Whoopee - we're all gonna die...."?
I'm in a musical time shift since that last thread.
flory | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 7:39 pm
An' it's One! Two! Three! What're we fightin' for?
Oh, yeah, urging teens to be abstinent is just as effective as telling them to "just say no to drugs."
Are these people from the same planet or are they alien mutants from the Roswell crash?
Please remind these tight-asses that Christ hung with prostitutes and tax collectors and hardened sinners of all sorts.
"Whited sepulcres", that's what He would call the theocrats.
OT
Dinner was: garlic bread, salad in a vinegrette liberally laced with garlic, humis, and red wine.
Hmmmmmm. I really felt like garlic tonight.
OnT:
The problem with letting them spread their diseases amongst themselves is it never stays contained in one population. Remember all the straights who thought AIDS wasn't a problem because only gays caught it?
Hey, you got a line on immortality treatment? Sign me up.
Okay, send me 25 bucks via PayPal and I'll tell you my secret.
if you can stand it, bobo is writing about sex.:
April 17, 2005
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Public Hedonism and Private Restraint
By DAVID BROOKS
ou see the febrile young teens in their skintight spaghetti strap tank tops with their acres of exposed pelvic skin. You hear 50 Cent's ode to oral sex, "Candy Shop," throbbing from their iPods. You open the college newspapers and see the bawdy sex columns; at William and Mary last week I read a playful discussion of how to fondle testicles and find G spots.
You could get the impression that America's young people are leading lives of Caligulan hedonism. You could give credence to all those parental scare stories about oral sex parties at bar mitzvahs and junior high school dances. You could worry about hookups, friends with benefits, and the rampant spread of casual, transactional sexuality.
But it turns out you'd be wrong.
The fact is, sex is more explicit everywhere - on "Desperate Housewives," on booty-quaking music videos, on the Internet - except in real life. As the entertainment media have become more sex-saturated, American teenagers have become more sexually abstemious.
Teenage pregnancy rates have declined by about a third over the past 15 years. Teenage birth and abortion rates have dropped just as much.
Young people are waiting longer to have sex. The percentage of 15-year-olds who have had sex has dropped significantly. Among 13-year-olds, the percentage has dropped even more.
They are also having fewer partners. The number of high schoolers who even report having four or more sexual partners during their lives has declined by about a quarter. Half of all high school boys now say they are virgins, up from 39 percent in 1990.
Reports of an epidemic of teenage oral sex are also greatly exaggerated. There's very little evidence to suggest it is really happening. Meanwhile, teenagers' own attitudes about sex are turning more conservative. There's been a distinct rise in the number of teenagers who think casual sex is wrong. There's been an increase in the share of kids who think teenagers should wait until adulthood before getting skin to skin.
When you actually look at the intimate life of America's youth, you find this heterodoxical pattern: people can seem raunchy on the surface but are wholesome within. There are Ivy League sex columnists who don't want anybody to think they are loose. There are foul-mouthed Maxim readers terrified they will someday divorce, like their parents. Eminem hardly seems like a paragon of traditional morality, but what he's really angry about is that he comes from a broken home, and what he longs for is enough suburban bliss to raise his daughter.
In other words, American pop culture may look trashy, but America's social fabric is in the middle of an amazing moment of improvement and repair.
The first lesson in all this is we shouldn't overestimate the importance of the media. People like 50 Cent may produce hit after pornographic hit, but that doesn't mean his fans want to lead the lives he raps about. It's make-believe.
What matters is reality. The reality is that we have a generation of kids who have seen the ravages of divorce, who are more likely to respect and listen to their parents and their ministers, who are worried about sexually transmitted diseases and who don't want to mess up their careers.
Second, it's becoming clear that we are seeing the denouement of one of the longest and increasingly boring plays on Broadway, the culture war.
Since the 1830's, we've witnessed the same struggle. One camp poses as the party of responsibility, lamenting the decadence of culture and the loss of traditional morality. The other side poses as the army of liberation, lamenting Puritanism, repression and the menace of the religious right.
No doubt some people will continue these stale kabuki battles on into their graves: the 50's against the 60's, the same trumped-up outrage, the same self-congratulatory righteousness, the same fund-raising-friendly arguments again and again.
But today's young people appear not to have taken a side in this war; they've just left it behind. For them, the personal is not political. Sex isn't a battleground in a clash of moralities.
They seem happy with the frankness of the left and the wholesomeness of the right. You may not like the growing influence of religion in public life, but the lives of young people have improved. You may not like the growing acceptance of homosexuality, but as it has happened heterosexual families have grown healthier.
Just lie back and enjoy the optimism.
Ah, this is nice. Cooking out, having a beer, watching the sunset, laptop and wireless connection up & running...
Grillin', chillin', wingnut despisin'.
Scha-weet.
Pretty simple argument to me: you are bound by license to perform a state regulated service. Depending upon that state's regulations - it seems clear that the state, corporation under which the licensee is employed, or the individual license holder should be held culpable for the withholding of properly prescribed medication. If not, in which case - all of the above.
Pretty blatant discrimination if you ask me.
EkCenTrik | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 7:42 pm
That's very good advice but, as a parent, the thing I worry about is that as they get older I am not the only one they get their knowledge from. I can bring up my kids to be knowledgeable about the world beyond what they get from the mass media, to be informed about sex and comfortable in their bodies, and to be curious and tolerate rather than afraid of people who are different etc. But then they go to public school, where teachers they respect and believe will teach them Intelligent Design and Abstinence.
The one thing that makes me really want to leave this country is not the religious stupidity per se - I can simply ignore it - but the thought that they can feed this nonsense to my kids. It would break my heart to have my children come home believing this stuff.
Fuck 'em if they can't fly.
That's exactly how it's going to work, actually.
OT
I can almost feel the first kernel of corn about to pop. And then, the drum roll.
April 17, 2005
In DeLay's Home District, Rumblings of Discontent Surface
By RALPH BLUMENTHAL
SUGAR LAND, Tex., April 16 - Patricia Baig, a substitute teacher with a comfortable inheritance, paid $2,776 this week to call for Representative Tom DeLay's resignation.
Ms. Baig, 57 - who identifies herself as a fellow Republican of Mr. DeLay, the House majority leader, and is one of his constituents - took out a full-page advertisement on Wednesday in the 62,000 copies of the weekly free Fort Bend Southwest Sun. It urged demonstrators "who want ethical reform" to rally against Mr. DeLay's scheduled keynote speech Saturday night to the National Rifle Association in downtown Houston, "to protest the actions of Representative DeLay and ask for his resignation," while adding her gun-owner's caveat: "This is NOT a protest of the N.R.A.!"
Hunh?
Oh. Right. We won't vaccinate against polio because it could result in a license to swim. Or measles - a license to stay out of school. Or chicken pox! Young girls might scratch themselves!
Jesus Christ in the Foothills.
oldwhitelady -- dunno. I was raised to help people when they needed help, and to leave 'em to themselves when they didn't, and not hurt anyone or let them get hurt if you could do something about it. I think it's a simple, straightforward, and very good way to live, and I don't see what the problem is with "An' It Harm None, 'Do What Thou Wilt' Shall Be The Whole Of The Law".
"of parents favour vaccinating their daughters. “Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV,” says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council, a leading Christian lobby group that has made much of the fact that, because it can spread by skin contact, condoms are not as effective against HPV as they are against other viruses such as HIV."
Check out the line that says because it can spread by skin contact
No need for sex to infect another person,
Doc, I'm having that recurring dream again in which life is normal and I don't live in a fascist state. What's wrong with me doc?
If I recall early religious studies correctly, the bugaboo got stuck in the head of a few whackjobs like St. Augustine that sex (and almost anything else that was physically pleasurable) was a distraction from what you should be thinking about, i.e., God.
Not St Augustine, who had his fair share of all sorts of sex before converting. St Paul, though, for sure.
But these fucking harpies at the Family Research Center and Concerned Women of America and other wingnut cesspools really do need to buy vibrators very very soon.
I'll bet that stem cell research would lead us to a genetic therapy that cures conservatism...
Security moms are sacrificing their daughters on the alter of the GOP.
Jerks! Jerks! Jerks! I can't understand the religious right. What is wrong with them? Why are they so stupid in the head and in the heart?
oldwhitelady
Because they're scared. They're afraid that without God, or without the government enforcing their morality, they might actually have to think for themselves and take responsibility for their own actions.
Seems to me they're pretty insecure about their Jesus if they need the government to enforce His laws.
ou see the febrile young teens in their skintight spaghetti strap tank tops with their acres of exposed pelvic skin.
Is it wrong for me to feel all tingly after reading a Bobo column?
There was a "liberal" propaganda flick as well done and and awful as any beatific nat'l navel-gaze by Eisenstein, called Crisis, which laid out the standard "America is perfect but 3rd worlders are incapable of democracy schtick." (The most sympathetic secondary character and only non-primary non-Hispanic was the head of the American oil company in the Latin American dictatorship. Rrright). It's worth finding and watching: Jose Ferrer and Cary Grant. Anyhoo, it centers around a physician who while on vacation performs a desperately needed surgery on the dictator. Hippocrates and all that.
Archangel -- remember the Shakers? Liberal/progressive in a surprising number of ways, but celibate. There are now about a half-dozen of them left in one village in Maine.
Those who ignore the real world are destined to die off in it.
"Jerks! Jerks! Jerks! I can't understand the religious right. What is wrong with them? Why are they so stupid in the head and in the heart?
oldwhitelady"
Oh I understand the religious right's leaders. They have used a version of Christian religion as a fig leaf, to hide their real agenda.
And that is.........The transfer of wealth to the richest 10% of the people. They want to recreate feudalism. Where the rich man in his castle, and the clergy in the church ruled the world.
And they have been very successful too. They can now mobilise a vast army of people to vote against their own interests.
Check out the line that says because it can spread by skin contact
No need for sex to infect another person,
Blue Dragon
--
right!!!
these fucking harpies at the Family Research Center and Concerned Women of America and other wingnut cesspools really do need to buy vibrators very very soon.
Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy! You want people to conserve energy and then admonish them to buy devices that require batteries or AC...
pseudonymous -- thanks. I'm still remembering something about Augustine, though. Maybe he went wild-eyed after conversion. Murfle. Have to Google up a copy of the Confessions....
exposed pelvic skin.
Jeeze, doesn't that just scream Third Degree Burn?
Well, it's already 97F here and according to the White Guys Burn Index, anybody white exposing pelvic skin (what the hell is pelvic skin?) is gonna be sorry real fast - time to burn is approximately 17 minutes.
Archangel -- remember the Shakers? Liberal/progressive in a surprising number of ways, but celibate. There are now about a half-dozen of them left in one village in Maine.
And for the record, Shakers are no relation to Quakers. Just sayin'.
"Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV,": the viciously stupid bitch said.
You fucking fascist bitch. Fuck you lady -
I don't believe this fucking shit - I want to strangle that woman with my bare hands and I've never felt like that before.
You fucking cunt we are talking about cancer.
somebody lead me to Bedlam now, please.
"Oh, yeah, urging teens to be abstinent is just as effective as telling them to "just say no to drugs.""
Well one day, Fundie Mom and Dad posted a thou shalt not have sex notice on the fridge. Later, after their teenagers developed 5 grandchildren before senior year, Fundie Mom and Dad realized their error and made sure to use a highliter on the "Thou Shalt Not" portion of the notice. They also taped it to the fridge with transparent tape since the magnet hid part of the message. Witht hat, they knew that they had done their best and their kids had been told with reinforcement of the message (Fundie Dad tapped on the note that same day as each child passed by the fridge coming in from school). They did their best, what more is there?
God-damn, this shit eventually wears me down, makes me tired.
No kidding.
sally -- word.
throbbing from their iPods.
NTodd:
Bobo said 'throbbing'...
And the answer is "Yes".
They can now mobilise a vast army of people to vote against their own interests.
sally
--
You are so right.
I thnk my head is exploding again.
This "abstinence is best" crap is the new "let them eat cake."
By the way, where does one go to have one's sexual license renewed, and does it cost extra for the chauffeur's version?
Just wondrin'.
GWPDA
17 minutes? Heck I don't even expose my pelvic skin that long in the shower.
Hugs, Tena. They're psycho slimeball assholes, every one of them. Don't let 'em get to you.
I think we must first stop calling them Christians. These people are not Christians.
If women are all allowed to die from cancer, how will they make more little wingnuts?
his special punishment in Hell will be fodder for humorists;
Ah, the best part of Little Nicky-the pineapple...
Security moms are sacrificing their daughters on the alter of the GOP.
Bluto W Bush
They're also sacrificing their own reproductive health, their ability to decide for themselves when and if to have a baby, and their right to keep private medical decisions within their family and out of Tom DeLay's latest political whim.
Maybe it's going to take some Republican-leaning stay-at-home-moms to get their Pill prescriptions thrown away by an overzealous wingnut pharmacist.
EkCenTrik, I'm pretty sure that was more than I needed to know.
flory - I thought so, which is why I'm glad I'm not tingling or anything.
[whistling]
I think we must first stop calling them Christians. These people are not Christians.
ακι | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:03 pm
Not Christians, not Americans. Traitorous heretics.
Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy! You want people to conserve energy and then admonish them to buy devices that require batteries or AC...
Solar powered.
Patience, my droogies, patience. This is 'here's the rope, have some more' time. They always overreach, always. Maybe, just maybe God willing, they are finally going over the line. (They did for everyone else ages ago but you people are weird) Let them run with it. Fall 2006.
Archangel -- remember the Shakers? Liberal/progressive in a surprising number of ways, but celibate. There are now about a half-dozen of them left in one village in Maine.
Shame.
I love Shaker furniture
Ah, what was pelvic skin again?
Oh nevermind.
the bugaboo got stuck in the head of a few whackjobs like St. Augustine that sex (and almost anything else that was physically pleasurable)
I hope Mr Brady's reading this. I've been telling him for years it's meant to be enjoyable.
If women are all allowed to die from cancer, how will they make more little wingnuts?
If you start young enough, you can pop out 5 or 6 before the cancer gets you.
Goddamn. I am in tears, certainly not unique to me, these times.
But, fuck me. What has happened to us?
I know this shit has been around forever, since we first crawled out of the slime.
But, cripes.....why now? Why are people like Bush and DeLay et al allowed to even live, much less have power over people?
All I want is my small little life. I consume so very little.
Yet, I hemorrhage to the point that I wonder if I can sustain it.
“Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV,” says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council, a leading Christian lobby group that has made much of the fact that, because it can spread by skin contact, condoms are not as effective against HPV as they are against other viruses such as HIV.
“Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful, because they may see it as a licence to engage in premarital sex,” Maher claims, though it is arguable how many young women have even heard of the virus."
Notice this fascist twat says NOTHING about MALES!
Where's illogicmonky, I need to vent.
Hugs, Tena. They're psycho slimeball assholes, every one of them. Don't let 'em get to you.
filkertom
--
Yea! Groovyness to you both!
(sigh)
Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy! You want people to conserve energy and then admonish them to buy devices that require batteries or AC...
Solar powered.
flory
or kinetically-powered like them new watches they got
back and forth and back and forth...
Solar powered.
Solar powered vibrators? Now *that* would be a hell of a trick.
Finny -- you had me, up till the last two words. I want some of these assholes impeached, charged with treason and sedition, and thrown in the clink. Frist is demonstrably trying to undermine the Constitution, and you could get DeLay on charges on both the federal level and two different states (Florida, for the Schiavo circus, and Texas, for pretty much everything he's ever done). I no longer trust the electoral process. They own it, they rigged it, and they're gonna try to bludgeon us out of existence with it.
They must be stopped, any time and any legal way we can stop them.
Quentin - "By the way, where does one go to have one's sexual license renewed, and does it cost extra for the chauffeur's version?
Just wondrin'."
Arthur and I agreed that because he's actually got his license as a result of having been vaccinated against rabies and other stuff, he is now allowed to go crazy and foam at the mouth. See? The state dictates.
OT: A reminder for the cinephiles, it's Jean Renoir night on TCM. First up in a few minutes is Grand Illusion.
I think we must first stop calling them Christians. These people are not Christians.
ακι
we already came up with the term "crossworshippers."
"Traitorous heretics."
Filker, absolutely, they are traitors to the Flag. These people pound everyone else as attempting to destroy the country and constitution. Yet, examine their actions and they look like a fifth column effort to remove democracy and the constitution as the basis for this country. I do not use that word lightly, they are traitors, performing treason, crimes against the citizens of this country. Name them nothing more, nothing less. Another distinction I think liberals and democrats need to start making. I was raised in the belief that my dad's service was preventing this type of person from harming this country.
Sarah Deere, robinhood -- lots of hugs to you too, ladies.
Heh. That's something else the wingnuts will never understand -- real family. Family of the heart.
Eli - yeah, that's what I was thinking: masturbation in broad daylight! Whoohoo! 'course, instead of batteries you could use a big capacitor or something to store the solar energy (I had a solar watch based on the same principle, minus the sex part).
k&y - I think you're on to something, and I'd be willing to invest in developing your concept further.
You want people to conserve energy and then admonish them to buy devices that require batteries or AC...
Solar powered.
Nuclear vibrators. Bunker-busters, if you will. the perfect gift for the unfulfilled wingnut woman in your life.
I love Shaker furniture
Terry C
And they do a nice American melody motif.
the Shakers are playing the Quakers
tonite at the uline arena.
EkCenTrik -- indeed. And, as they've done so successfully with other issues over the past several years, they've convinced people to vote against their own interests -- in this case, their very freedom.
One of these days the fuckin' press corps is gonna go out to the ranch in Crawford to watch Dear Leader symbolically ride a horse through a peasant's cabbage patch.
Solar powered vibrators? Now *that* would be a hell of a trick.
A little imagination, please.
masturbation in broad daylight!
Did you mean to put a comma after "broad"?
Its cover all the bases backlash power grab time.
But we gotta be strong! We can flip out here but when the shit hits the fan and we need to educate people we need a clear head.
(she says as her head explodes, again)
Hang in there! Its a tug of war. It will be hard. Read Howard Zinn, he will inspire you.
I love Shaker furniture
Terry C
And they do a nice American melody motif.
QuentinCompson | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:11 pm
"Simple Gifts/Lord of the Dance" is one of the simplest, most beautiful melodies I know. The Copland version always brings me to tears.
or kinetically-powered like them new watches they got
fyi, i had one of those 35-40 years ago...i think mebbe even made by Timex? something pretty proletarian, iirc...
you could always tell somebody wearing one, cuz once in a while everybody who wore one would almost unconsciously, give their wrist a twitch...
it's sorta the flick of the wrist that dislodges the 4th ace or the derringer up the sleeve...ya know the one i mean, im sure...
Holy Shit!
"Airplane!" is on WGN.
That's something else the wingnuts will never understand -- real family. Family of the heart.
filkertom
filkertom, you got that right.
Thanks for reminding me re: the real source of Hope.
SD
Oh shut up. Your tantrum over the return of the adults has grown tiresome. Moral values = back. God = back. Freedom and Liberty = back. Leftist lies = OUT! Liberal media = OUT! Class warfare = OUT! Gays = OUT! God favors Bush and true Americans far more than he favors you leftist scum.
Tena,
No fair. There's a waiting list to get into Bedlam. No cutting in line!
One of these days the fuckin' press corps is gonna go out to the ranch in Crawford to watch Dear Leader symbolically ride a horse through a peasant's cabbage patch.
It'd definitely have to be a symbolic horse...
Hang in there! Its a tug of war. It will be hard. Read Howard Zinn, he will inspire you.
robinhood | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:12 pm
Ah, I knew I liked you. Good ol' Zinn. One of the finest voices of our time.
the Shakers are playing the Quakers
tonite at the uline arena.
We will totally kick their asses.
Did you mean to put a comma after "broad"?
I left the punctuation-entendre up to the reader.
Does this asshat know what it is like to die of cervical cancer? Does she care?
May she suffer from boils on the bottom forevermore.
Take the last train to bedlam...
One of these days the fuckin' press corps is gonna go out to the ranch in Crawford to watch Dear Leader symbolically ride a horse through a peasant's cabbage patch.
filkertom
filkertom, the sonofabitch doesn't ride. Afraid of horses.
His "ranch" was a pig farm before he bought it.
The fuckwad.
Liberal hatred will not fly. Most Americans want strong leadership, moral values, and a unbiased media. You pile on Tom Delay when you have Ted Kennedy, and those Clintons. Most are also Christian and are sick of secular hatred. You are only going to marginalize even more True Americans, and the Heartland is sick of you. What you call fascism the rest of us call grownups in charge and liberty. Frist has the right idea.
Ç€ń‡®ĺ! §ç®µ‡!ń!z€® -- "Airplane!"? What is it?
It'd definitely have to be a symbolic horse...
Well, he could probably ride one of them stick horses without falling off...WalMart horse ride, too tuff.
God favors Bush and true Americans far more than he favors you leftist scum.
Dental fillings making noise again, are they?
filkertom,
It's like a big tylenol with wings.
Does this asshat know what it is like to die of cervical cancer? Does she care?
May she suffer from boils on the bottom forevermore.
Echidne of the snakes | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:15 pm
Forgive me, dear -- you know I agree with you completely -- but, when I read the first sentence, the very first thing I thought was, "Well, no, not personally...."
"Teenage pregnancy rates have declined by about a third over the past 15 years. Teenage birth and abortion rates have dropped just as much."
I love how they go back 15 years so they get to use decline under the Clinton years to hide the current dismal policy.
Speaking as a member of that Leftist Scum you mentioned. I am a citizen of the United States of America and I believe in my country.
You hate that don't you.
Moral values = back. God = back. Freedom and Liberty = back. Leftist lies = OUT! Liberal media = OUT! Class warfare = OUT! Gays = OUT!
Spats for the guys = IN! Skirts for the girls = OUT!
Also: ketchup is the new Worcestershire, and white is the new black.
SD -- hope is what keeps us going, what motivates us. The biggest problem with it is that with hope comes despair. The biggest strength of it is that we know things can be better.
It is my sincere hope that Chimpy learns to ride a horse.
In prison.
- Time to go eat the purple artichoke I just steamed. Whole Foods bought the entire harvest of them, it said in the paper today. They are heirloom artichokes, it said.
Ciao, Moonbats. I love y'all. Sweet dreams.
Echidne:
May she suffer from boils on the bottom forevermore.
I hope Ba'al is listening.
SD:
His "ranch" was a pig farm before he bought it.
Still is.
Ç€ń‡®ĺ! §ç®µ‡!ń!z€® -- looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
His "ranch" was a pig farm before he bought it.
Still is.
Kind of an inversion of ownership.
Tena -- mmmm. Artichokes. Enjoy, dear!
Most Americans want...a unbiased media.
Which is why people watch Fox...
You pile on Tom Delay...
Where there's smoke, there's fire: House of Scandal.
I voted for it
and asked one of the fundies why he voted against it? 'Cos men don't get breast cancer, ' was his reply.
This is how fucking stupid HE is - men most certainly DO get breast cancer!
His "ranch" was a pig farm before he bought it.
The fuckwad.
Sarah Deere -8:15 pm
i don't think they even bought the fucker...
i think they merely leased it, and rented everything they needed to make the place plausible...
Plausibility is the key...
ever since i heard Poindexter telling the Senate/House commmittee his job was to provide Reagan with 'plausible deniability'.... what a lapse! I thought his own folks would silence him, but worse luck...
anyway, that was my fucking epiphany.
it shoud be broadcast at the top of every evening "Newz" broadcast...
truth is no defense against plausibility...
.
Gays = OUT!
Well, no. Not if you morans have your way.
The Copland version always brings me to tears.
filkertom
Me, too, or at least goosebumps; but then, Copeland's had my number for many years.
Come to think of it, if I ever met aWol or the Bugman, that's what I wish I could say: all the brass on the planet playing Fanfare for the Common Man, FFFF!
"God favors Bush and true Americans far more than he favors you leftist scum"
You speaking for God now?
God = back. Freedom and Liberty = back. Leftist lies = OUT!
Delicious! Wingnut mr. blackwell is such a bitch!
Can we get a bumper sticker that says "Leftist Scum & Proud of It!"?
His "ranch" was a pig farm before he bought it.
Still is.
Kind of an inversion of ownership.
Like in Animal Farm?
Oh sure - just give away the penguins homeland. Where do the tuxedoed ones go?
Google Stealing A Nation, A Special Report by John Pilger
Like in Animal Farm?
Yeah, but with dumber pigs.
His "ranch" was a pig farm before he bought it.
Still is.
Just call him Shrub Napoloeon.
This is how fucking stupid HE is - men most certainly DO get breast cancer!
Terry C | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:20 pm
Nah. REAL men only get lung cancer, and only 'cause they smoke twenty fuckin' packs a day. If they get bowel cancer, it's 'cause their three pounds of red meat per day wasn't cooked right, so it's their wives' fault.
Or something.
Ya'll know this is a parody troll, right?
Bobo writes:
"...booty-quaking music videos..."
booty-quaking music videos
booty-quaking music videos
booty-quaking music videos
I like the way he says that!
I, for one, am all in favor of booty-quaking music videos!
GO GO BOBO!
You speaking for God now?
ακι | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:21 pm
They think they do. That's the really scary, or medically treatable, part.
Hecate,
Shut up. I need to vent.
America Has Freedom
Fuck you to the wall.
I am in no mood for your fucking bullshit. Get out of here bedore I (and others) do you harm.
Eli - all pigs are dumb but some are more dumb than others.
REAL men only get lung cancer, and only 'cause they smoke twenty fuckin' packs a day.
Since I lost one of my lungs, I cut my smokin' in half.
America Has Freedom
Fuck you to the wall.
I am in no mood for your fucking bullshit. Get out of here before I (and others) do you harm.
MisterX -- I suddenly want to write an old-school disco number, "Bobo Got Da Booty", with the Earth Wind & Fire horns an' everything.
Fanfare for the Common Man may be THE most beautiful piece of music ever written. I heard Copeland conduct it years and years ago at Wolf Trap under a starlit sky.
People like Bush, (who is too stupid to know better) have no idea what they have unleashed on the world.
sally
http://syntallic.blogspot.com/
20...ic_archive.html
It is my sincere hope that Chimpy learns to ride a horse.
In prison.
-- filkertom
Well, I just want him to learn to ride bareback in prison.
Heh, heh...
Fuck you to the wall.
Sarah, dear, language!
Please, no whacking each other, friends. That's what parody trolls are for.
Real or parody, it's best to ignore it.
"Ya'll know this is a parody troll, right?
Hecate"
Doesn't matter, hurtful words are hurtful words.
Well, I just want him to learn to ride bareback in prison.
My wish is similar, yet... opposite.
Bobo writes like he has porridge on his fingers.
ακι ,
Vent away, sweetie, but you're venting to a fake troll.
Bush's 'so called' ranch, is a classic example of the filth that is the news media.
Have you seen one report on prime time about how Bush only uses the place bas a backdrop for his holidays?
Have the media dared to tell the people that Bush only rents the place?
Have the media dared to tell the people about 'strong George's' dislike of horses?
Tells you all you need to know about the scum media.
I gotta have dinner.
Hang in there and read Howard Zinn. He will remind you that you are not powerless. Struggle has always been. We can do it if we organize and educate.
(this is me smiling at you!)
Please, no whacking each other, friends. That's what parody trolls are for.
And solar-powered vibrators.
Toonscribe -- thank you. I believe you have just inspired a shirt. I've gotta get a few new ones together anyway, but... I don't believe that anyone's speculated on Chimpy's prospective circumstances behind bars.
How does George W. Bitch sound?
Bobo writes like he has porridge on his fingers.
hee hee. Yup.
And cheese mold on his brain.
Hecate
You've totally blown the mood now.
Fuck calling it the Christian State of anything. As a Christian, I don't anything to do with these nutrolls.
Just call the new country what it is--Wingnuttia.
What the hell is the matter with that. Perfectly good name. No sense being wasteful.
Agreed?
On a more serious note, go back and re-read the first couple paragraphs of Bobo's screed. Then think about the imagery being used by the middle aged white nerd when talking about teenagers.
A little disturbing, really.
Liberal hatred will not fly. Most Americans want strong leadership, moral values, and a unbiased media. You pile on Tom Delay when you have Ted Kennedy, and those Clintons. Most are also Christian and are sick of secular hatred. You are only going to marginalize even more True Americans, and the Heartland is sick of you. What you call fascism the rest of us call grownups in charge and liberty. Frist has the right idea.
America Has Freedom
And I hope someone close to YOU gets cancer!
"Bush only rents the place"
Didn't know that.
But I did know he acquired it close to his beginning Presidential run.
And solar-powered vibrators.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:28 pm
I always wondered why there was a li-i-ight over at the Frankenstein place....
Too bad your hatred for the USA eats you whole, liberals. The rest of us have no time for you. WHen it is time for tall trees to be cut, we will go DOOR TO DOOR and do it in person. You scum have nowhere to hide.
Fanfare for the Common Man may be THE most beautiful piece of music ever written.
I love it (even ELP's version!) and Copeland in general, but I have to put Russian Easter Overture higher in terms of beauty (second only to Beethoven's Ninth in my world).
America Has Freedom....seek help!
"Ya'll know this is a parody troll, right?
Hecate"
Doesn't matter, hurtful words are hurtful words.
EkCenTrik
Yep - a dumbass is a dumbass!
OT, but adorable -- Former Ziegfeld Girl Returns To The State At Age 101
Hey, you got a line on immortality treatment? Sign me up.
filkertom
http://www.imminst.org/about/
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/CYBIMM.html
http://www.cryonics.org/book1.html
Terry C
Hey! .. want to clarify that a bit.
Stupid liberal faggots. You will all be culled like the subhuman scum you are and sent away. Stop polluting our city on teh hill, and blaming the USA for everyone. You embolden terrorists with your hate. Now go away.
WHen it is time for tall trees to be cut, we will go DOOR TO DOOR and do it in person. You scum have nowhere to hide.
Our dog and my wife wielding her shotgun and/or .45 will be at the door to greet you (and she is an excellent shot--no fucking joke).
But I did know he acquired it close to his beginning Presidential run.
EkCenTrik,
Construction on the "ranch" wasn't even finished until after the 2000 election.
Looks like the real deal to me.
Maybe really christian Christians should start calling themselves "Jesusists."
Seems like a lot of shit started to go downhill once this "Christ" business got into it.
How does George W. Bitch sound?
-- filkertom
Sounds good to me.
Eli -- Now that you mention it, I guess I do want Georgie-Porgie to learn to be ridden bareback.
Could we please get back to the topic at hand: solar-powered vibrators?
Too bad your hatred for the USA eats you whole, liberals. The rest of us have no time for you. WHen it is time for tall trees to be cut, we will go DOOR TO DOOR and do it in person. You scum have nowhere to hide.
America Has Freedom
Yeah - talk, talk, talk!
Big words, little balls!
WHen it is time for tall trees to be cut, we will go DOOR TO DOOR and do it in person. You scum have nowhere to hide.
Does anyone have a clue what this is supposed to mean?
we did this months ago and stopped because Tena couldn't tell who it was.
NTodd -- thumbs up on all of 'em. I've got a few too many candidates for Most Beautiful Music Ever Written, but Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto #2 is high on the list, as are Beethoven's 7th and Franck's Sonata in A for piano and violin (especially if you find one of the versions with Rampal or Galway playing the violin part on the flute).
Embolden terrorists?
Nuts. We were trying to enbiggen them.
filkertom - An Okie, Phi Beta Kappa, Ziegfield Girl who's still got great gams?
Damn! My Pippel!
{True Confession - Mama came -that- close to running away with Sally Rand when she appeared in Tulsa in the '30s...},/i>
Could we please get back to the topic at hand: solar-powered vibrators?
Your hand, maybe.
Anyone want to bet how fast Georgie abandons the "ranch" once he's out of office? Nothing in these people's lives is real; it's all for show. Just like Laura's glazed smile on her plastic surgeried face.
MisterX -- I suddenly want to write an old-school disco number, "Bobo Got Da Booty", with the Earth Wind & Fire horns an' everything.
filkertom
Dude, write it, and they will come!
I was thinking more Adam Ant/Desperate But Not Serious-Era, but you're the expert...
America Has Freedom...sticks and stones wil break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
Can you understand the definition of
P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N?
Does anyone have a clue what this is supposed to mean?
I think it's a plug for his landscaping company.
Just read the link.
oh. my. gawd.
Death by cervical cancer is nasty and painful and slow. Why parent or gaurdian of a young woman would not march her right in to the doctor's office for that vaccine is beyond me.
Years ago I developed invasive cervical cancer. Welcome to Planet Cancer. Of all the women in the support group I first joined, I am the only one still alive. And that only because my doc and I decided to go for the thorough surgery at a very early stage.
It wasn't fun giving up my ability to have kids in my mid-thirties, but it was neccessary.
If I had a daughter, I'd demand the f*cking vaccine for her! Travel outside the country even, to get it. Anything to protect her from such a fate.
Why do the TheoCons hate their daughters?
(Rhetorical question, that.)
filk - what, no Rach 3?
And Luddy's 7th rocks.
WHen it is time for tall trees to be cut, we will go DOOR TO DOOR and do it in person. You scum have nowhere to hide.
Does anyone have a clue what this is supposed to mean?
flory | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:34 pm
I think it means Happy Hour's in full swing at the Wi-Fi hot spot across the street from the frat.
So did anyone read any further on Light of Reason's blog? Did you know the author is suffering a major, ongoing financial crisis that will probably force an end to the blog in a few months (as well as forcing the author's cats to find new homes)?
Help him out!
"Could we please get back to the topic at hand: solar-powered vibrators?
NTodd"
O’Riley is bound to do a 1 hour special on it.
“ se what those environmentalists have dreamed up now”
Wind powered vibnrators have a bright future, methinks.
Stupid liberal faggots. You will all be culled like the subhuman scum you are and sent away.
Come and get me, cunt!
I'll be glad to e-mail you directions.
(Are you really willing to stake your LIFE on the ASSUMPTION that folks like us DON'T have or know how to use GUNS?
Ya feel lucky, punk?)
"Does anyone have a clue what this is supposed to mean?
flory"
A call to the feds notifying them of what looks like a terroristic threat.
Meanwhile, down in the prison somewhere, an inmate is yelling "But I was just a Parody Troll, P-A-R-O-D-Y. Got it?
Sorry sir this is a parody prison as well.
flory - I knew I could count on somebody here to pick up on my double-entendre!
Wind powered vibnrators have a bright future, methinks.
Would give "blow me" a whole new meaning...
GWPDA -- true story: In one of my mom's last nightclub-singing jobs, she opened for Sally Rand, age 74. Weirdest damn thing I'd seen in my life to that point.
OT:
Guess what tomorrow, April 17, is?
Blogwhoring at it's finest.
Terry C
Hey! .. want to clarify that a bit.
EkCenTrik
Dude! Not you!
The dickheaded troll.
Never you, my friend.
Probably too complex a topic for your beady little, can we even allude to it's existence, brain.
No, that disease is the punishment for fucking.
Some of my family of origin actually believe this.
May they ....
.
Eli, Filk:
Thank you. One of you is undoubtedly right.
Would give "blow me" a whole new meaning...
Shit, I was going to use that joke. Damn your eyes (which you don't even have)!
filkertom - Brother! There's just something about old broads and the show.... Mummy didn't throw in with Sally tho - her Daddy made her finish college and -then- she went to NY to be in the theatre....
NTodd -- y'know, I've never actually heard Rach 3, although I have heard it's superior. I know 2 has "all the hits". (We were talking "most beautiful", which would leave out my actually favorite Rach, the Variations on a Theme by Paganini.)
Christian Telemann's Beethoven's 5th is gorgeous. They play it slowly. Too damn many people make their reputations on playing Beethoven too frickin' fast, and it screws up the drama of the music. In my humble opinion. I'll always prefer Brendel to Arrau, and Arrau to Serkin, on the sonatas for that reason.
No, that disease is the punishment for fucking.
I thought children were the punishment for fucking.
Eli - all pigs are dumb but some are more dumb than others.
NTodd
reminds me of my buddy who likes to say "all thoughts are limited but some thoughts are more limited than others"
what were we talking about?
NTodd:
Not a tough bet with this bunch. I probably beat Eli to it by 5 seconds.
"You will all be culled like the subhuman scum you are and sent away."
Can I be sent away to Hawaii for a couple of weeks?
I could use a vacation.
GWPDA -- Oh yeah. One of the biggest applause moments on the DVD of Pippin is when Martha Raye comes out.
Mom nearly destroyed her voice with smoking, but she quit years ago and has been singing regularly with her church. She ain't what she was in her early 20s, but she's pretty darn good.
That's right -- you're out in Phoenix, aren't you? She's in Fountain Hills.
Sadly, it's hard to see a backlash in the future when the elections are rigged.
i'll just stick with the old-fashioned coal fired vibrator, thank you
Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto #2 is high on the list,
"It shakes me
it quakes me
it makes me feel goose-pimply all over."
- Marilyn Monroe,
"The Seven Year Itch"
fyi, i had one of those 35-40 years ago...i think mebbe even made by Timex? something pretty proletarian, iirc...
you could always tell somebody wearing one, cuz once in a while everybody who wore one would almost unconsciously, give their wrist a twitch...
it's sorta the flick of the wrist that dislodges the 4th ace or the derringer up the sleeve...ya know the one i mean, im sure...
WoodyGsGuitar/Happy Desperado
Yes, Woody, that is the watch my Great Aunt Wiggy gave me for graduating high school - a Bulova as it happens, and one that even now is being cleaned and pressed over to the jewellers who are kind enough not to refer to it as 'antique' or 'vintage'. Used to be referred to as a 'nurse's watch' cause it was big enough to see and had a second hand.
I always know when it's time to have it cleaned because, um, it, um, -stops- in the night. It either means it is getting full of Arizona dust and grit or, um, I'm dead. Self-winding does require some kind of movement. However.
i'll just stick with the old-fashioned coal fired vibrator, thank you
gary in fl | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:45 pm
I might have one o' them new-fangled Model A crank ones laying around....
What creates people like this?
What makes them so bone-deep mean?
Well, SallyH, a certain amount of meaness is neccessary to species survival in the wild. Unless your species is willing to multiply itself like bunny rabbits. The Theocons are employing both methods.
.
i'll just stick with the old-fashioned coal fired vibrator, thank you
gary in fl
"Coal-fired"? Why, you young rascals! In my day they were all STEAM-POWERED. With hand-carved wooden gears, by cracky!
"Wind powered vibnrators have a bright future, methinks."
Do you realize the deaths that will occur? The humanity of it all!!!
All those people on a Friday or Saturday night wandering dark streets with their finger in the air, looking for a breeze.
The slaughter will be unprecedented.
With hand-carved wooden gears, by cracky!
Good thinking. Otherwise rust could be a problem.
One of my friends-list folks on LiveJournal just posted a link to a debunking of Rapture beliefs by a female Presbyterian minister. Written back in 1987. I'll go over it tomorrow, but... anyone more knowledgable than me (which would be, like, anyone, but especially Hecate, Echidne, and RMJ) care to have a go?
All those people on a Friday or Saturday night wandering dark streets with their finger in the air, looking for a breeze.
Some of those aren't fingers.
I might have one o' them new-fangled Model A crank ones laying around....
because it can spread by skin contact, condoms are not as effective against HPV as they are against other viruses such as HIV.
Does this mean we should avoid shaking hands at the Church of Christ ice cream social?
""Wind powered vibnrators have a bright future, methinks.""
Of course, it will begat new euphemisms.
Whatjadoing? "Flying a kite"
And then there are all those people singing "They call the wind Mariah". Man this is just not going to work folks.
However, I do see a new attachment opportunity for the IPod.
When I Was A Boy
Copyright © 1997 by Frank Hayes, Firebird Arts & Music (BMI)
When I was a boy our Nintendo
Was carved from an old Apple tree
And we used garden hose to connect it
To our steam-powered color tv.
But it still beat that ancient Atari
'Cuz I almost went blind, don'tcha know,
Playing Breakout and Pong on a video game
Hooked up to the radio.
And we walked twenty miles to the schoolhouse
Barefoot, uphill both ways,
Through blizzards in summer and winter
Back in the good old days.
Back when Fortran was not even Three-tran
And the PC was only a toy
And we did our computing by gaslight
When I was a boy.
When I was a boy all our networks
Were for hauling in fish from the sea--
Our bawd rate was eight bits an hour (and she was worth it!),
And our IP address was just 3.
And you kids who complain that the World Wide Web
Is too slow oughtta cut out your bitchin',
'Cuz when I was a boy every packet
Was delivered by carrier pigeon
And we walked twenty miles to the schoolhouse
Barefoot, uphill both ways,
Through blizzards in summer and winter
Back in the good old days.
Back when Fortran was not even Two-tran
And the mainframe was only a toy
And we did our computing by torchlight
When I was a boy.
When I was a boy our IS shop
Built relational tables from wood,
And we wrappered our data in oilcloth
To preserve it the best that we could.
And we carried our bits in a bucket,
And our mainframe weighed 900 tons,
And we programmed in ones and in zeros
And sometimes we ran out of ones.
And we walked twenty miles to the schoolhouse
Barefoot, uphill both ways,
Through blizzards in summer and winter
Back in the good old days.
Back when Fortran was not even One-tran
And the abacus? Only a toy!
And we did our computing in primordial darkness
When I was a boy.
All those people on a Friday or Saturday night wandering dark streets with their finger in the air, looking for a breeze.
You know how to whistle, don't you? You just....
The thing that "America Has Lost Its Freedom" doesn't get is that, even if he did succeed in killing all the people smarter than him (I'm guessing this would be at least 250 million out of the 280 million people in the country, infants included), he'll still be stupid.
Killing the smart people won't make you any smarter; in fact, it's probably a really good way to shorten your life by several decades. Because without the smart people who make things work, you'll soon be living in a cave and roasting whatever small rodents you can catch over an open flame. And that's assuming that you're able to find matches or a lighter, because a guy who can't even make sparks jump when he rubs his two brain cells together won't be competent to start a fire in any other way.
"All those people on a Friday or Saturday night wandering dark streets with their finger in the air, looking for a breeze.
Some of those aren't fingers."
Damn that's tall. Proceed with authority Sir.
ακι -- aiee.
haha, I just read this at another site. I'd link it , but you have to register to get in:
'What are the differences between Heaven and Hell?', a young Zen monk asked an aged Buddhist priest who was renowned for his wisdom.
'There are no material differences,' replied the old monk.
'None at all?' asked the puzzled young monk.
'That's right. Both Heaven and Hell have a spacious hall with a big pot in the centre in which noodles are boiled, giving off a delicious scent,' said the old priest. 'The size of the huge pan, the number of people sitting around the pot and the bowl of sauce placed in front of each diner are the same in both places.'
'The odd thing is that each diner is given a pair of meter-long chopsticks and must use them to eat the noodles.'
'To eat the noodles, you must hold the chopsticks properly at their ends,' the old monk told the young Zen monk.
'In the case of Hell's kitchen, people are always hungry because no matter how hard they try, they can't get the noodles into their mouths,' said the old priest.
'But isn't it the same case for the people in Heaven?' the junior monk inquired.
'No. They can eat because they each feed the person sitting opposite them at the table. That's the difference between Heaven and Hell,' explained the old monk.
(they can call it the Christian States of America, or whatever, I don't care)
That'd be convenient, they can keep all their monogrammed stuff.
Eli
CSA? Confederate States of America?
WHen it is time for tall trees to be cut, we will go DOOR TO DOOR and do it in person. You scum have nowhere to hide.
America Has Freedom
yeah, you would cut trees.
Figures.
Ignorant asshole.
filkertom
Yeah, the name of the last one made me pee a little.
ακι -- aiee.
I'm pretty sure some of those were modified joy buzzers.
Come to think of it, *all* vibrators are joy buzzers...
However, I do see a new attachment opportunity for the IPod.
EkCenTrik | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:50 pm
The Virtual Sex Machine.
PLEASE DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK if you think you might be offended. It is a real commercial site for a real sex toy. You have been warned.
i'll just stick with the old-fashioned coal fired vibrator, thank you
gary in fl | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:45 pm
I might have one o' them new-fangled Model A crank ones laying around....
"Coal-fired"? Why, you young rascals! In my day they were all STEAM-POWERED. With hand-carved wooden gears, by cracky!
MisterX | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:48 pm | #
"Wind powered vibnrators have a bright future, methinks."
Do you realize the deaths that will occur? The humanity of it all!!!
With hand-carved wooden gears, by cracky!
Good thinking. Otherwise rust could be a problem.
Eli
""Wind powered vibnrators have a bright future, methinks.""
Of course, it will begat new euphemisms.
Whatjadoing? "Flying a kite"
And then there are all those people singing "They call the wind Mariah". Man this is just not going to work folks.
However, I do see a new attachment opportunity for the IPod.
EkCenTrik
Sure is easy to get the boys stirred up on this blog.
And Hecate.......
S Ty
Brilliant. Thank you for sharing that with us.
damn, jennifer, i'm still laughing. excellent.
S Ty -- I like that one a lot. Thanks.
However, I do see a new attachment opportunity for the IPod.
The iPud?
filkertom
Wow. She even looks you in the eyes.
Oh, filkertom, do you know what you wat when you deal with Girl Presby Ministers? They're so tough they make the Angels cower behind the Throne. They're Theology is so precise they make aged Rabbis of Great Learning and Muftis of Great Faith fall behind, and Speakers of the Assembly (cf Benny Weir & Captors) bow down.
DO NOT MESS WITH GIRL PRESBYTERIAN MINISTERS. They are not only wildly entertaining, theologically, their taste in shoes is frequently too chic to stand (vizBarbara Haddon at my Mummy's graveside funeral - when I looked down and saw, 'neath her robes, the cutest pair of open toed, open backed, clear pumps with multi-colored polka-dots, well, damn....).
Hecate - would you make sure to light up a bit of that pinon soon, so that you can identify it when your neighbours burn it again? It's been bothering me since last year when we couldn't identify it...
Filker
Just this one passage can make a person run away quickly
"as noted, our supplier for the gearbox/transmission assembly is behind schedule on production. this is partly due to a last minute upgrade of the design on our part."
"Tall trees" refers to our towering intellects, which are as the mighty Sequoya compared to the diminunitive bonsai representing the intellect of America Has Lost Its Freedom and his ilk.
And he admits it with every post.
However, I do see a new attachment opportunity for the IPod.
The iPud?
Eli | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:57 pm
You are hereby issued one (1) smack upside the head with a wet fish.
*SMACK*
"Sure is easy to get the boys stirred up on this blog."
Flory, you have shamed me.
filkertom | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:49 pm | #
thanks for that. now i'm going to go through and read it all and wonder if i've condemned my self to an eternity of damnation for my backsliding ways.
no i'm not.
Flory, you have shamed me.
Weakling.
I think Am Has Lost is parody? It seems that's the only kind of trolling we get around here these days - that's a good thing.
So sorry about what you had to go through, Quinn. I was lucky enough to have precancerous cells removed about two years ago, and that was scary and painful enough. After that, and watching my aunt die from cervical cancer when I was a child, I wouldn't wish such a thing on anyone. People who oppose a vaccine under the pretense of "personal responsibility" can go to hell. Hugs to all.
Time for more raspberry pie.
'What are the differences between Heaven and Hell?', a young Zen monk asked an aged Buddhist priest who was renowned for his wisdom.
'There are no material differences,' replied the old monk.
S Ty,
It's been yarons since I first saw/heard that bit of wisdom. Thanks for reminding me.
I work in the field and cannot wish cancer in any form on anyone.
If there is a vaccine that will keep your daughters from getting this vicious disease, PLEASE PLEASE take advantage of it now.
Do NOT wait.
SD
Eli
I didn't say it took. She tried, I was just noting the fact.
Hell I haven't blushed once today in this conversation. Which is a record.
ακι, that wasn't even the one I was originally thinking of. There's one, the Sinulator (same caution -- don't click if you can't deal with it), has extremely modified IM software or something similar so that person A at his or her computer controls a, erm, device at person B's computer.
I swear, the things people will do to avoid having actually talking to a girl....
Wha? - could be, though we've seen many real trolls around here that are every bit as stupid and delusional.
I always liked Allen Sherman's suggested Perpetual War Zone -- rope off Greenland, and let warring clans, countries, and corporations have it out up there, with anything from sticks and rocks to nukes. Anyone attempting to initiate hostilities outside the Zone will be parachuted naked into it.
Yes, but that wouldn't be fair to the Inuit. Or the Home Rule Danes.
Flory, you have shamed me.
EkCenTrik
Why am I not buying this?
Time for more raspberry pie.
We have pie?
That is what I do not understand to a degree. In my mind, the core components of this fundie movement is actually small by percentage. It seems smaller the more we go through time. But they insist on representing a much larger body of people. Those people must realize they are being hijacked by simply not being involved or speaking up. Their passivity allows them to be hit with that broad brush. And if things go to far, once the smoke clears, they will be on the wrong side of the line.
EkCenTrick? Remember how Germany came under the control of the Nazis? It's the very same mechanism at work right here, right now in the good ol'USA.
Never thought I'd live to see it.
Sure is easy to get the boys stirred up on this blog.
flory
Hey, I'm only interested in the subject from a technical aspect, purely as a design element, uh, thingy... and um...
ducks, runs from room
.
"I swear, the things people will do to avoid having actually talking to a girl....
filkertom"
Its the computer age, fortunately I was not in I.T. nor owned a computer when I first met my wife.
I think Am Has Lost is parody? It seems that's the only kind of trolling we get around here these days - that's a good thing.
Wha? | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 8:59 pm
The really scary thing I saw -- and I haven't been around much this week, so I may have just hit the right thread a couple of times -- was that Ted Smith seems to have toned down his act. If this turns out not to have been the case, let me know.
OT: A reminder for the cinephiles, it's Jean Renoir night on TCM. First up in a few minutes is Grand Illusion.
JeffCO
Jeff, is there a serious classic movie blog, do you know? I love all those international movie directors - Eisenstein, Luis Buneuel, Satyajit Ray Akira Kurosawa, Orson Wells, Godard, Traufaut, Chabrol, Fellini, Vittorio De Sica and so on.
Anyone who is interested in this stuff:
http://www.aswatalislam.net/
Disp...me=Jamal_Badawi
Can't vouch for any of it, as I haven't read any of it.
The really scary thing I saw -- and I haven't been around much this week, so I may have just hit the right thread a couple of times -- was that Ted Smith seems to have toned down his act.
Paging Tena (either one)...
Anyone attempting to initiate hostilities outside the Zone will be parachuted naked into it.
Yes, but that wouldn't be fair to the Inuit. Or the Home Rule Danes.
They got penguins up there too, don't they?
Talking about "most beautiful" art music is hard. I would put the Russian Easter Overture in the class of "most beautifully orchestrated", like the opening of Daphnis and Chloe Suite #2 by Ravel (my personal favorite) "The Open Range" from Billy the Kid by Copland, and the end of Ein Heldenleben by Richard Strauss, with the most perfectly orchestrated E flat major chord in all music.
Rachmaninoff could write really nice tunes, but there are others I like more. Schubert is still the best, too many pieces to list. I would list some renaissance composers as best tunesmiths, such as Josquin des Prez, but people would think I was nuts.
I personally enjoy "most beautiful moments" from a lot of pieces, like some mentioned above. Sometimes its hearing a lovely melody by Mozart that, when it returns at the end, is accompanied by a new and equally beautiful melody.
flory - nope, they got puffins. No penguins in the north.
'But isn't it the same case for the people in Heaven?' the junior monk inquired.
'No. They can eat because they each feed the person sitting opposite them at the table. That's the difference between Heaven and Hell,' explained the old monk.
S Ty
That would be the difference.
SD
If this turns out not to have been the case, let me know.
Hi, filkertom! I saw that you extended a hand to him.
Did he reciprocate?
The really scary thing I saw -- and I haven't been around much this week, so I may have just hit the right thread a couple of times -- was that Ted Smith seems to have toned down his act. If this turns out not to have been the case, let me know.
filkertom
I haven't been around much this week either, but I haven't seen him or Toby putz-holster in awhile. LIke I said, this is not a bad thing.
Yeah, I've been wanting to ask, yet afraid to invoke... wha hoppen to the Ed-Tay Ith-Smay troll? I don't want him back, I'm just wondering if he finally got some help or was banned or whatever.
"flory - nope, they got puffins. No penguins in the north.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 9:06 pm | #
'But isn't it the same case for the people in Heaven?' the junior monk inquired.
'No. They can eat because they each feed the person sitting opposite them at the table. That's the difference between Heaven and Hell,' explained the old monk.
S Ty
That would be the difference.
SD
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 9:06 pm | # "
I glanced quickly at those comments and became incredibly confused for a moment.
My wish is similar, yet... opposite.
Eli
Isosimilar?
flory - nope, they got puffins. No penguins in the north.
So we're displacing penguins in the south and puffins in the north.
Why do liberals hate flightless birdies?
GWPDA,
Thank you for the lovely incense; that's it! Wonder how my neighbors got pinon out here in the East?
I'm saving the rest for Beltane, which is coming up soon and is at my house this year. My favorite holiday!
Come autumn, I'm going to send you some sage and rosemary from my garden. Do you like dill or basil or parsley? I'll have those sooner. And, woad, and black nastursiums, and black violets, and thyme, and wormwood, and nightshade, and ....
MisterX, shush.
I haven't seen Schwa? either - I kind of wish I would, though. It seems that whenever I walk into a thread that he's shitting all over, he high-tails it out of there. It's like we're never in the same room together. His name is so close to mine, that I sometimes fear he's some kind of stupid alter-ego of mine. Kind of like a "fight-club" scenario but with Ben Shapiro instead of Brad Pitt.
It freaks me out. I don't want my alter-ego to be Ben Shapiro!!
MisterX, shush.
pie
This is me shushing.
Sorry.
Pet theory, the issues are getting a wee bit too obvious and deadly. Schiavo changed a lot fo things. It is hard to argue for the conservative side when they are busy doing a hostile take over of the country and restoring the spanish inquisition in steps.
Sorry.
No apology necessary. It's just that whenever its name is mentioned, it appears.
I think puffins actually can (and do) fly.
I'm not too terribly worried about the penguins, either, because I bet they can outsmart the fundies.
Well, now that the pope is dead, he is being replaced by...A NAZI
Fresh from Culture of Life News!
I'm not too terribly worried about the penguins, either, because I bet they can outsmart the fundies.
I'm with you.
Hecate, I'd bet your neighbors smuggled in some pinon, the same way Henry Kissinger used to smuggle in certain varieties of beer and Schramsburg champagne. It's funny - that really is the clearest simulacrum of pinon I've found - and I can't get any pinon firewood here at all. Woody can, I know, but not down here. So I burn that stuff in my mesquite fires and it's pretty close to being in la Tierra Encantada - when, in the Fall, you open your door and the odor teases at you til it's in your genes.
I? I like everything - but if someone were to send me large quantities of tarragon, that would be a very good thing. I can't seem to grow it here.
If this turns out not to have been the case, let me know.
That's Ted's MO. Play nice until people relax a bit, then jump right back to full asshole mode.
It's just that whenever its name is mentioned, it appears.
pie
I know, as soon as I posted that, I cringed and thought "What have I done?"
But, trolls can't read Pig Latin can they?
I'm not too terribly worried about the penguins, either, because I bet they can outsmart the fundies.
Good point.
Re: Wingnuttia
i recall the matter having been hashed out previously, and being in the passing-by mode, i did not comment then; but now, it occurs to me as id did then that the proper description of matters wingnutty is/was "wingnutiae", como 'minutiae', i.e., that of trivial or minute importance...
or did somebody already think of that?
But, trolls can't read Pig Latin can they?
You can stop after 'read'.
And also, I think God like penguins a lot more than fundies.
WGG:
I believe that was thoroughly discussed upthread.
But, trolls can't read Pig Latin can they?
The trolls, lately, can't read much of anything.
Jerks! Jerks! Jerks! I can't understand the religious right. What is wrong with them? Why are they so stupid in the head and in the heart?
oldwhitelady
Because they're scared. They're afraid that without God, or without the government enforcing their morality, they might actually have to think for themselves and take responsibility for their own actions.
Seems to me they're pretty insecure about their Jesus if they need the government to enforce His laws.
Stinky
George Bush said something lately that eluded his nonbelief in God, something happened that "helped him have more faith in God."
They're actually atheists, and if they can force the rest of us to believe this massive dream they've dreamt, it'll make everything OK.
pie -- dunno. That thread was nearing its lifespan; he might not have seen it, and I can't remember which one it is to check.
How's the house-selling going?
Hey, we already have our own homeland, it's called the USA.
Busy. It's a pain to keep the perfect house.
Reality - bingo. Their "faith" can't stand any questioning or challenging because it consists wholly of what others have told them to believe.
No belief system co-opted without examination can withstand scrutiny.
so pie....get out and take Atriosland with you....
That thread was nearing its lifespan; he might not have seen it, and I can't remember which one it is to check.
I checked it long after you were so gracious.
Nada.
Pie -
We're trying to sell ours now and have the same problem. If the realtors CALLED before they came over, maybe we wouldn't have to keep it clean all the time.
Rude.
Busy. It's a pain to keep the perfect house.
Eeeesh. Is that a scary concept?
{says she, looking around her decidedly unperfect living room}
pie - I watched that "Designed to Sell" show on the Gluing Channel the other night and thought of you. Hope it goes quickly.
I don't envy those male penguins who stand erect, with an egg their feet, through the howling, hellish antarctic winters
go read frank rich
The hair shirt is the new thong.
Ba®ndog - um, as a guy all I can say is 'ouch.'
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 7:44 pm |
Heh heh heh heh FINALLY -- A use for a damn HEMI ....
OT - Fresh FUBAR from Bush's Folly
Arms Equipment Plundered in 2003 Is Surfacing in Iraq
By JAMES GLANZ
Published: April 17, 2005
KIRKUK, Iraq, April 16 - Equipment plundered from dozens of sites in Saddam Hussein's vast complex for manufacturing weapons is beginning to surface in open markets in Iraq's major cities and at border crossings.
Looters stormed the sites two years ago when Mr. Hussein's government fell, and the fate of much of the equipment has remained a mystery.
...
Interviews with people who identified themselves as arms dealers or members of the resistance in Baghdad, Falluja and other Iraqi cities indicate that a parallel black market operates in the explosives looted from some of the same sites. In fact, sketchy descriptions by members of the Iraqi resistance suggest that the arms market is also a highly developed enterprise with brokers, buyers and looters who have stockpiled their products, including artillery shells, mortar rounds and Kalashnikov rifles. One former Iraqi army officer who said that he had joined the mujahedeen said that in Sadr City, for example, a few trusted brokers would take prospective buyers to weapons caches that ranged in size from a few rounds buried in a garden to whole rooms of ordnance. If the broker and the buyers agreed on a price, the buyers would arrive a day or two later with a vehicle to drive their purchases away. The broker and the stockpilers would have worked out their respective cuts in advance.
etc.
Hey, we already have our own homeland, it's called the USA.
Right | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 9:20 pm
Ours too, dickweed.
Puffins. Puffins inhabit the island of Greenland. Maybe your errant Kitiwick will go there in summer. No swimming birds, they're in the Southern hemisphere.
something about Augustine, though. Maybe he went wild-eyed after conversion. Murfle. Have to Google up a copy of the Confessions....
filkertom
He did exactly that. Augustine is also the one who came up with the whole shitload idea of orginal sin. gawddamn him.
Sorry. Not a fan of "Saint" Augustine of Hippo. Not at all. He's got a lot to answer for. Original sin, the shining city on a hill, ...
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Hey, we already have our own homeland, it's called the USA.
Right -- 9:20 pm
funny that's MY country. I fought for it and i don't recall seeing you, fighting for it that is...
mebbe you were in the TANG?
if you want to try to evict me, please e-mail me when you hit albuquerque, and you can give it a try...
be sure to bring a box in which to send your effects to NOK...
c'mon, bubba...
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pie -- shrug. I made the gesture; I won't get in his face again unless he gets in mine or one of my friends. In particular, of course, Vicki. Especially now.
"They're actually atheists"
Well, they are definitely not Christians...
You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]
So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]
If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. [Matthew 19:21]
The Bible itself is our best weapon against these people, yet no one dares to use it publicly.
I watched that "Designed to Sell" show on the Gluing Channel the other night and thought of you. Hope it goes quickly.
One of my sisters just told me she watches that show and thinkks of me, because I'm so organized.
I hope so, too, Jennifer. Missing my husband.
Wha? - could be, though we've seen many real trolls around here that are every bit as stupid and delusional.
Jennifer
I think they drink their own bath water.
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
Penguins do NOT go in the water with their eggs. EVER. The potential hatchling would die.
Please people, don't go infofundie on us, read first, make assumptions never.
In particular, of course, Vicki. Especially now.
Especially now? What?
Reality Check Bouncer-
Did somebody say that they did?
Hey, we already have our own homeland, it's called the USA.
Right -
I thought YOU people called it "ze fatherland."
"Not to love Der Fuhrer IS a great disgrace", and all that shit!
QC:
Equipment plundered from dozens of sites in Saddam Hussein's vast complex for manufacturing weapons is beginning to surface in open markets in Iraq's major cities and at border crossings.
I wish I had a nickel for every lefty blogger and/or pundit who predicted exactly this.
so pie....get out and take Atriosland with you....
Right
Sure - as if you have the stones to make us leave this country.
I think not.
Like all trolls, freepers and power wussies, you sure do like to TALK tough.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar | Email | Homepage | 04.16.05 - 7:52 pm
Oh. The full version --
On a rubber crutch Good Friday afternoon in the cold hard RAIN.
Sorry, Gary, I thought you wrote "water", not winter.
pie -- here.
From what I have heard "The One Who Can Not Be Named" has been banned.
I could be wrong tho
pie - The Gluing Channel? Try this instead. The Extreme Makeover for the Piestewas and the Navajo Nation Veterans' Office. Nice. No gluing, but beautiful country. The land was paid for by one of the Palm Springs tribes.
The Bible itself is our best weapon against these people, yet no one dares to use it publicly.
They have an answer for that too-"even the devil can quote scripture!"
These people need to be not only stopped but wiped from the face of the planet.
Vicki, I wish I were closer.
Hugs.
The Other Sarah
Eh?
Define it as they define us.
Ask the simple question, what is the difference between the fundamentalist god and the God of Christians?
Your view of God is new to many people, do you think your god should supercede the God of the traditional Christian community?
I've gotta take care of a couple of things on this side, and then get some sleep. Good night, fellow freethinkers! Never give up, never surrender.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opin...omment-
opinions
This guy is a nut, different from our nuts but a nut none the less. OT but I had to share.
filkertom
I appreciate a good Galaxy Quest reference.
Dean's characterization of the issues involved in the Schiavo case is of course twisted beyond all recognition. But his comments bring two thoughts to mind. First, I very seriously doubt that the Schiavo case will be an issue either in 2006 or in 2008. Second, why is it it that when a minor Republican staffer wrote that the Schiavo case was a "great political issue," it was a scandal that was reported in every newspaper in America, whereas, when the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee says, "We're going to use Terri Schiavo" in the 2006 and 2008 elections, the response is a yawn? I'm sure there must be a reason why Dean's comment is different, but offhand I can't think what it is.
Dean has a unique ability to put his foot in his mouth, from which the Republicans will continue to reap benefits as long as Dean holds his present position.
Didn't this thread begin with religius whackjobs? I know some peope assume that I am (& maybe they're right) but I am certainly a different kind of religious whackjob from the Repukes (honest) -- there are even some sane cardinals -- here is my own favorite (although he has about as much chance of election as I do -- & I'm an Episcopalian)
Walter Cardinal Kasper
• "Faith does not mean a believing-to-be-true of wonderful facts and sets of beliefs that have authoritatively been put before us."
• "Dogmas can certainly be one-sided, superficial, bossy, dumb, and rash."
• Christ "presumably did not call himself either Messiah or Servant of God or Son of God and probably not Son of Man either."
• The dogma that Jesus is "completely man and completely God" is able to be superceded.
• Kasper writes "that we must call the many miracle stories in the Gospels legendary."
• Although Kasper admits Jesus performed healings: "On the other hand, with some probability one need not consider [the] so-called natural miracles as historical."
• The Resurrection of Jesus is "no objectively and neutrally ascertainable historical fact."
• Regarding the oldest account of the Easter event (Mk 16:1-
, Kasper comments "that here we are not talking about historical characteristics but [linguistic] means of style which are to get people's attention and create excitement." Other New Testament factual claims about the Easter and Ascension accounts, too, are mere "means of style" for Kasper.
• Statements about the immanent Trinity or about the pre-existence of Christ are, according to Kasper, "not direct statements of faith but theological statements of reflection."
• Kasper also speaks of the "Resurrection of each individual at death." Hence "any talk of life after death is misleading." In addition, any talk of heaven, hell, and purgatory is "a very inappropriate, indeed misleading way of speaking."
• By the "not very fortunate expression 'infallibility of the Church'" is meant "that the Church . . . cannot definitively fall back to the status of synagogue and cannot deny Christ definitively."
• The dogma of the Church's universal mediatorship of salvation, clothed in the words "extra ecclesiam nulla salus" ["no salvation outside the Church"], which is most important for ecumenical conversations, Kasper calls a "most misunderstandable phrase.”
Uh, how come we aren't out on a Saturday nite? Are we socially incompetent, or impovershed?
Bush has a unique ability to put his foot in his mouth, from which the Democrats will continue to reap benefits as long as Bush holds his present position.
Republicans are soooooo stupid.
Uggghhh...namestealing troll. That's enough for me, I'm going to catch the Iron Chef.
I see our cut n' paste guy from powerline is back, posting under atrios' name this time.
cut n' paste minds they have.
The land was paid for by one of the Palm Springs tribes.
Hmmm. Wonder which tribe that might've been.
Uh, how come we aren't out on a Saturday nite? Are we socially incompetent, or impovershed?
Old. Thanks.
Are we socially incompetent, or impovershed?
Old. Thanks.
Hell, I just hit the trifecta!
I like the cut n' paste mind idea. Their mind is a buffer, one that needs to be constantly refreshed.
None of the above.
It's one night out of thousands.
Geez.
D'ya suppose it gives the troll some kind of feeling of being important and/or interesting to use Atrios' name?
I see our cut n' paste guy from powerline is back, posting under atrios' name this time.
chris/tx
Yeh, and dumbdoc failed to give us the second thing that came to his mind (which apparently can't deal with that level of complexity)and to change his home page indicator.
Moron
>a href="http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/
0415piestewa15.html">The San Manuel tribe as it happens. A nice thing to do.
GWPDA,
I am going to try tarragon this year, just for you! Course, I'll have to try it out in chicken salad first just to make sure that it's ok.
Hi, Prior! Who do you think they will elect? Whoever it is, it won't be a woman.
Catch you all later.
"Uh, how come we aren't out on a Saturday nite? Are we socially incompetent, or impovershed?"
Married.
And Older.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is contributing a 4-minute videotape to the program. Is it wrong for a politician to associate with religious leaders who are advocating a political position? I can see worrying that a particular group has a lot of political influence, but that is ordinary politics, not a reason to silence people who are speaking out on matters of public concern and who identify with or are motivated by a particular religion. And Frist agrees with them in opposing filibustering judicial nominees. He's not obligated to shun them because of their religious affiliation.
So what is the response from Democrats?
"Our debate over the rules of the Senate and the use of the filibuster has nothing to do with whether one is religious or not," Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, said at a news conference with Senator Harry Reid, the minority leader from Nevada. "I cannot imagine that God - with everything he has or she has to worry about - is going to take the time to debate the filibuster in heaven."
The first sentence of that statement is simple disagreement about the basis for opposing the nominees, and of course, one would expect people like Durbin to say they are not discriminating on a religious ground. That second sentence subtracts from the credibility of the denial, however, because it's little more than a mockery of religion.
Democrats seized on Dr. Frist's participation in an effort to portray Republicans as intolerant extremists. "In America, we are in a democracy, not a theocracy," Mr. Reid said, urging Dr. Frist to back out of the event. "God does not take part in partisan politics."
I don't see the sense of this statement. Religious people fighting for a cause they believe in do not make the government a theocracy. Many prominent and highly respected political activists -- notably Martin Luther King, Jr. -- have operated from a religious foundation. It's nothing new, and it doesn't deserve to be demonized. There's a tone of mockery toward religion in what Durbin and Reid are saying, as they twist the Council's political activity into the idea that God is somehow debating about or participating in partisan politics. I'm sure that draws easy laughs and gasps from people who scoff at religion, but it's quite unhelpful.
There's an important and serious argument going on now about who should be on the federal courts. The Senate Democrats are using the filibuster to block a small number of the nominees, ones they consider way too deeply embedded in social conservatism and thus at odds with the moral values they represent. The socially conservative Christians want these people on the courts because they want their moral values expressed through courts. It's a very important stand-off, but making it all about religion is a distraction. A person's fundamental moral beliefs play a role in his or her decisionmaking, even if that person is a judge and is trying mightily to follow orthodox interpretive methodology. So the Senators are right to fight about the nominees the way they do, and they will have to work out this issue of majority rule and the filibuster device. But these recent comments by Durbin and Reid are offensive, inflammatory, and manipulative.
Well, I not out on a Saturday night because I am a monk & I am supposed to be working on a sermon for tomorrow --
What's your excuse?
These recent comments by DeLay and Frist are offensive, inflammatory, and manipulative.
Jesus Christ! Walter Cardinal Kasper would be called heretical by Marty Luther.
I'm sure you're not putting me on, PA, but with ideas like that, Kasper must wear the glasses with the rear view thingies.
This is the only place I have even been on the interent or prior in which a member of the community can simply say:
"Because I am a monk".
I love the diversity here.
Hecate - I lent this to pie, but she's holding it close to her vest - so here it is, from my all time favorite Phoenix chic delicatessen, The Duck (and Decanter) - this is why we need tarragon. (I know the original says thyme. They meant tarragon.) It's why I'm growing leeks. (http://www.duckanddecanter.com/Recipes/Recipe%
20Salad.htm)
DELI TURKEY SALAD
1-1 Ľ lb whole turkey breast
Ľ medium-sized leek - sliced
1 ˝ cups sliced celery
Ľ cup chopped walnuts
1 tsp granulated garlic (or to taste)
1 tsp dried tarragon
4 ľ -5 cups˝ to ľ cups blue cheese dressing (or to desired consistency)
Slice and julienne turkey breast. Using a knife, cut turkey into ˝ inch cubes. In a bowl, combine cubed turkey, celery, walnuts, and leeks. In another bowl, combine dressing with spices and mix thoroughly with a wire whisk. Combine dry ingredients with completed dressing and mix well to coat..
Serves 4-6 (2-2 ˝ pints)
Dean has a unique ability to put his foot in his mouth, from which the Republicans will continue to reap benefits as long as Dean holds his present position.
"atrios"-troll
Heh heh heh.
So, Dean scares you trollies, huh?
Veddy interesting.
Way to go on that whole Schaivo thing, by the way. Good move. See y'all in 2006!
Heh heh heh.
Facwe it, troll. You couldn't come up with those adjectives by yourself.
Your dear leader, preznitwit georgie bush, only has one adjective in his pathetic vocabulary.
And his use of it is laughable.
GWPDA,
Sounds wonderful!
incompetent,impovershed and Old. Thanks.
Prior A,
STILL fussing with that sermon?
My favorite sermon was delivered by a kid on Children's Day at the church I attend.
"Jesus just wants us to behave like he taught us, which means we should love each other and not kill each other. Amen."
Amen, indeed.
I lent this to pie
I just haven't made it yet.
The tarragon is about four inches high.
"When it is time for tall trees to be cut..."
The blood will flow like rivers to the sea.
Your heartland is empty. Do not invite misery upon yourselves.
Well, I not out on a Saturday night because I am a monk..
Uh, huh. Wasn't it some monks somewhere who invented that bubbly wine stuff?
Mister X,
Yeah, Dean scares them big time and they're too stupid not to let us know it. Hit them with the chair, Howard!
Your heartland is empty. Do not invite misery upon yourselves.
Yawn. Get a life.
pie,
Do you grow it from seeds or seedlings? Where do you get it?
Those are translations from a German text but it really is from Kasper (former student of Hans Kung) -- well, the citation from mark is supposed to be an 8 followed by a ) rather than a smiley face with sunglasses
I'd like to see him -- a chance of regaining some thinking people in the First World for a Christianity for grownups -- the Third World is moving to magical pentecostal stuff anyway (some of the African stuff is kind of scary)
Hecate wants to know who I think they will chose -- I suspect it will be someone who nobody outside the RC Church has ever heard of (Albino Lucciani? Karola Wojtyla?) -- probably with ties to Opus Dei or the Legionnaires of Christ -- BUT I would like to see Kasper or Danneels or Cassidy -- decent grownups who would like to clean house
The trouble with appointing only company men who say nothing but the company line is that you never know what anyone really believes! After all, John XXIII came from someplace!
Hugs to Charlotte Smith (nee Beavers). May you and all whom you love never come any closer to cancer.
GWPDA:
Yum.
And look what the Duck charges for a lousy tablespoonfull!
DELI TURKEY SALAD
Turkey breast, walnuts, celery, leeks, blue cheese dressing, herbs
6.95
Lordy, you should try their Swedish Brisket.... Oh, my, my.
THE HOT ONE
5 pounds Beef Brisket, trimmed
1 1/2 teaspoons cinnamon
1 1/2 teaspoons nutmeg
1/2-teaspoon ginger
2 1/2 teaspoons salt
1/4-teaspoon pepper
1-teaspoon garlic
1/2-cup dark brown sugar
1 large onion, sliced
1 cup dry red wine
1 bay leaf
Combine spices; rub into all sides of the trimmed meat. Place into a pressure cooker. Add wine, brown sugar, onion, and bay leaf, Cook under pressure for 40 minutes. Cool and skim off the fat. Slice meat and reheat in its own sauce. Serves 6 to 8.
I have no ability to think for myself so of course I have to cut and paste large chunks of text-- and hope part of it is true.
Do you grow it from seeds or seedlings? Where do you get it?
I have it planted on the south side of the house. And even here, in MI, it's come back every year. Right next to the lavender, the chives, and the sage.
I don't know, does this qualify as a Separation of Church & State:
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the
things that are God's. [Matthew 22:21]
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is...
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
As Howard would say:
"YEEEAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGHH!"
HAW HAW HAW HAW!
Oh God, Prior, I hope it's not someone with ties to opus dei. Those people are seriously weird. And you know when I call someone weird, they must be, well, pretty weird.
atrios...I don't fucking think so. Try harder, troll.
four hundred and forty-one comments BAH! Fie upon ye all if there is no new, "tc"-less thread! Ten seconds to an OT Palestine reference!
We are also selling herbs at the kitchen store. One that I will be buying and transporting is orange thyme. The flavor is amazing.
Oh crap, GWPDA, now you're gonna make me dig out the pressure cooker?
I heard just the last few minutes of an NPR story on Opus Dei a few days ago. What little I heard sounded like "what happens when Capitalism Meets Catholicism."
It didn't sound pretty at all, especially the part about a young woman who joined and was assigned the job of cooking and cleaning for the men at one of the houses of the Order.
orange thyme
I've heard of lemon, but never orange. Where do you get the plants?
I have it planted on the south side of the house. And even here, in MI, it's come back every year. Right next to the lavender, the chives, and the sage.
Ahhhhhh.... I've got some dill I'm nursing and hopeful that it'll last a season. But as much as gardeners natter about French countryside and hot summers, it just doesn't really work with Phoenix.
Dinae --
I like the kid's sermon, but I suspect that some people might want a tad more elaboration
In fact, that is pretty miuch what all my sermons come down to -- have to throw in some quotations from the Church Fathers (or Gandhi or Eckhart or the like) -- flesh it out
FWIW, Dean doesn't scare me -- he certainyl would be a better preznit than the current occupant (though I still regret his leaving the Episcopal Church over a bike path -- better than some theological heresy, I suppose)
Mister X beat me to it!
tarragon, butter (unsalted), calvados, chicken breasts.
heaven on earth.
no kidding.
Then, rissoto (Julia'a), and lovely green vegetable (asparagus is ideal).
SD
Where do you get the plants?
An herb farm near Ann Arbor.
They're at the farmer's market there every week.
Well, I'm outta here.
Be well. Sleep tight.
GWPDA:
I have *never* been able to get dill to grow. Northern CA should theoretically be perfect for it, but it always lasts about a month for me. I think that particular herb goddess hates me.
Prior,
I meant that Dean scares the wingnuts, such as our cut and past troll. Didn't know that he'd left the Episcopal church. Must have been some bikepath!
Time for the tall trees to be cut
A signal used by the Hutus to renew their attack against the Tutsi
In One World
David Rovics
[In One World in SPANISH]
In 1948 I fled my village
The Stern Gang drove my family from the lands
We ran into the desert
Where I've spent these decades living by my hands
Life in Haifa wasn't easy
But so much better than this hellhole with the soldiers and barbed wire
And the closures, and the hunger
The humiliation and the checkpoints, the machine gun fire
And each day I wonder after Haifa
The home that we abandoned when the Zionists had won
Is there a family with a child
Does it's father love it as I loved my only son
Before the soldiers shot him down
Riddled him with bullets in his back and in his head
Home in Haifa, in my house
Does someone's father know the pain there is in an empty bed
In 1960 I fled my country
Left the Tigris River for this foreign place
I had to leave home, I didn't want to
But they were rounding up the leftists and the papers had my face
And my son, a student leader
On the streets of Baghdad was nowhere to be found
So I walked through the mountains
Just the shirt upon my back, knowing not where I was bound
Now here I am, this town of Haifa
In this little house, but at least I'm still alive
And each night I wonder how is Baghdad
Would I recognize my friends if any did indeed survive
It took a long time, but I made a home here
And I wished my son could be here in this town upon the shore
I was with my wife, it was the Sabbath
When an old Arab couple knocked upon our door
We asked them in, gave them tea
For that's what you do with strangers, and we could see they meant no harm
They told their story, we told ours
Us of our life in Baghdad, them of their family farm
And of this house, which they once lived in
Where once they raised a family, long before their hair turned grey
Of their son, and the troopers
And of ours, who we cry for every day
So much in common, so much gone bad
So much running, and never coming home
You can hear the cards falling down
See the faces of the children, forever forced to roam
And here we were, in this house
Fearing that tomorrow would be just like yesterday
So much resentment, so much at stake
And I really don't remember who was the first to say
In one world
In one village
In one home
Let us live together
Dinae --
I like the kid's sermon, but I suspect that some people might want a tad more elaboration
Prior, what more should there be...??
Mister X beat me to it!
dave
Sorry, dave, forgot to credit you! I apologize for stealing such a great all-purpose troll-stomping phrase!
All this talk of food has made me very hungry. Time for dinner.
Later, lovely moonbatteries.
flory, no, no pressure cooker is really necessary. I do believe I just put it in the oven at a nice low heat for a long time and it was more than fine. Better than fine. Swedish!
flory and GWPDA,
Don't know what kind of dill you're growing but the heartiest I've found is Grandma Eink's dill. You can get it from Seed Savers. Dill needs a bit more water than herbs such as rosemary or thyme.
Xianity for grownups, Prior? You sure the world is ready for that?
(or is it more like desperately in need of that?)
Xianity for grownups, Prior? You sure the world is ready for that?
(or is it more like desperately in need of that?)
Robert M. Jeffers
How about Xianity For Dummies? That would help.
Prior,
I meant that Dean scares the wingnuts, such as our cut and past troll. Didn't know that he'd left the Episcopal church. Must have been some bikepath!
Hecate
The UCC claims Dean, now.
Even as it unclaims me.
Apparently Dean and I are providing some kind of cosmic balance. Who knew?
The Other Sarah
Eh?
GWPDA, Irate Scholar
That one was in reference to the comment susan made involving the diesel.
And ... ahem ... appropriate 'treatment' for fundie wingnut males.
And as for hitting 'em with the chair --
Hit them with the TRUCK!
How about Xianity For Dummies? That would help.
MisterX
Lorelpus, MisterX, isn't there enough of that already?
Q: How did the scientist solve the problem of constipation?
A: He worked it out with a pencil.
Q: What's the difference between a truck-load of babies and a truck-load of ball-bearings?
A: You can't unload a truck-load of ball-bearings with a pitch-fork.
Q: Whats the most popular pick up line in a gay bar?
A: "May I push in your stool?"
Q: What goes: plop! plop! fizz!
A: 2 babies in an acid bath.
Q: What do they call a leper in a hot tub?
A: Stu
Q: What's the difference between an oral and a rectal thermometer?
A: The taste
Q: What did one gay coroner say to the other gay coroner?
A: "Whaddya say we run out back and suck down a cold one..."
Q: What's brown and sitting on the piano bench?
A: Beethoven's last movement
Q: What did the leper say to the prostitute?
A: Keep the tip.
Q: Why does Helen Keller have yellow legs?
A: Because her dog is blind too.
Q: Why do farts smell?
A: So deaf people can enjoy them too.
Q: What is grosser than gross?
A: Having a dream about chocolate pudding and then waking up with a spoon in your butt
Q: What do you call an eleven foot long urine stain?
A: Line dancing at the retirement center
Q: What do you call a vegetarian with the runs?
A: Salad Shooter
Q: What's grosser than gross?
A: When a midget walks by and says your hair smells nice.
Q: How do you make a cat go "woof"?
A: Douse it in gas, strike a match, and then WHOOF!
Q: What does a lonely gay guy do when he is horny?
A: He shits in his hand then jerks off.
Q: How do you embarrass an archeologist?
A: Give him a used tampon and ask him which period it came from.
The best dill patch I ever saw was in the house behind mine, some years ago - where it literally was a weed. It had taken over the strip of ground on the owner's driveway - like fifteen feet worth of dill, six feet tall.... It was a weed! So, using Mammoth Dill from Heirloom Acres, I'm trying to mimic the location and the lack of attention - so far, it's doing not bad, growing along the fenceline, in between the bermuda grass and the bougainvillea. I try not to watch it, and any water it gets is something that banks off the geraniums next to it....
Dill needs moisture and more shade than most herbs. It's wonderful on cucumbers with a light vinegary dressing. Also wonderful on fish and on eggs and...
Calms the tummy, too.
Dill needs a bit more water than herbs such as rosemary or thyme.
What does rosemary need in terms of light and water? I tried to grow it in a pot on my windowsill (north light) and it died almost immediately.
Haloscan is eatting my posts! (O well, not like it's the first time)
Not everyone supportive of Opus Dei is necessarily completely whacko -- the Legionnaires of Christ are actually worse (founder is still alive -- been fending off accusations of molesting boys for years -- JPI protected him)
The bike path -- well, Governor Dean wanted to put in a bikepath & part of the proposed route traversed property owned by the Episcopal parish where he attended & they wouldn't allow the bike path -- so he joined the Congregationalists (which is really more "New England" anyway)
I don't know, does this qualify as a Separation of Church & State:
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the
things that are God's. [Matthew 22:21]
I always took it that way.
As well as figurin' it meant God doesn't care about your money! Which is pretty much why Jesus told the rich man, in Luke's gospel, to give it all away.
(sigh)
SD
The best dill patch I ever saw was in the house behind mine, some years ago - where it literally was a weed.
That reminds me of the four foot rosemary bush I have growing in the patio. That puppy started as a very weak seedling I bought because I felt sorry for it.
One of the many nice things about rosemary is that it thrives when it is ignored, which is pretty much how I garden.
The bike path -- well, Governor Dean wanted to put in a bikepath & part of the proposed route traversed property owned by the Episcopal parish where he attended & they wouldn't allow the bike path -- so he joined the Congregationalists (which is really more "New England" anyway)
Don't try to put new carpet in the sanctuary, either.
Know of one church that lost a lot of people over that one.
Oh, Res, rosemary - rosemary needs a lot of sun, direct, fullbore sun, six hours a day if it can get it. Not filtered. I have a lovely shrub next to the front door, facing east - when people come in they brush against it the rosemary and the scent is delightful. If I let it, it'd grow to cover the whole entry. Full sun tho.
Hecate, I can't find your "Grandma Eink's dill".
I would bet that Bush has never read Luke.
Res,
Rosemary likes strong sun and sandy, kind of poor, dry soil. It's difficult to grow in pots, for some reason, but it can be done. If your window gets cold, you may want to move the pot a few inches more inside.
You know the old line: Rosemary, that's for rememberance? Well it turns out that rosemary contains a chemical that is good for memory!
I don't know, does this qualify as a Separation of Church & State:
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the
things that are God's. [Matthew 22:21]
I always took it that way.
As well as figurin' it meant God doesn't care about your money! Which is pretty much why Jesus told the rich man, in Luke's gospel, to give it all away.
All right then, bigshot Mr. Theology:
"For the children of this world are wiser in their generation than the children of light. Wherefore make unto yourselves friends out of the mammon of iniquity so that when you die they may receive you into everlasting dwellings."
This is one of the most difficult texts in all the Scriptures to interpret properly. let's see if you can do it with resonant assurance.
GWPDA,
I'll dig up the link on Monday and email it to you. Seed Savers has lots of heirloom varieties and Grandma Einks is one of them.
Diane, Hecate, pie -
My .49 pot of Basil from Target.
BTW -- IIRC there actually is one of the books "________ for Dummies" about Christianity --judging by what I've seen of the other titles, it is probably pretty good
Ther,
Wow. Where is that written?
We've grown rosemary pretty well, but you have to be sure not to grow any new batches from the cuttings of the originals. NEVER grow rosemary from cuttings.
GWPDA & Hecate ....
Well that explains it. I get a good amount of light in this apartment, but not a lot of sun. So it was unhappy.
Are there any herbs that will grow in here?
OK, here's the fallacy:
If you have a religion that says that not belonging to it will send you to Hell for all eternity, why in the world would you want to regulate the behavior of unbelievers?
If the youngster is a filthy Commie atheist, or a drugged-out New Age hippie, or a wild-eyed Islamofascist, or better yet, a dirty Jew--that's enough to send them to Hell right then and there.
So why try to keep them from having sex?
So why not ban the vaccinations only for believers? Then those assured of going to heaven won't be tempted to throw away their salvation.
Seems to me all this emphasis on sexual behavior smacks a little too much of works as opposed to faith, n'est-ce pas?
Seems to me that the author of that most difficult text was indulging in a little sarcasm.
Wherefore make unto yourselves friends out of the mammon of iniquity so that when you die they may receive you into everlasting dwellings."
Oh, pooh, Thers, you old RC, you. That one's easy. Invest your money wisely so that you don't have to move in with the children.
"Could we make a distinction here. I feel a bit for the average Christian who does operate in good faith with the rest of the sane world. Can we deliniate between the fundie god versus the other Christians' god. I know too many people who are sane and Christian to feel good about insulting them by simple association.
EkCenTrik"
Thank you, Ek - I mean, I understand where "Christian trashing" comes from - it's actually "whack-job fundy trashing" and I share many of the same feelings (though I'm working on tolerance of different opinions - but that's hard for me). Can you all just call them Fundies or theocratics, or just find a term for the friendlies among us - folks like me who don't read the Bible literally, who follow the teachings of Christ, who embrace progressive values (in my case, feminist, pro-choice, anti-death penalty, anti-war, anti-poverty pro-gay-rights, etc...)to underscore the fact that although we think of ourselves as Christians (something the Fundies would dispute, as they think we're burning), we're not wingnuts?
"Christianity for Grownups" has a nice ring, but it's a lot to type... and lacks a nice label for us.
As for most beautiful music ever, the Copland should surely be up there, along with the Rach and the Beethoven, but I'm partial to Barber's Knoxville, Summer of 1915, or the trio prayer in the first act finale of Mozart's Don Giovanni. I guess it's a soprano thing...
As an amateur beer maker, I decided to plant hops on my back yard... big mistake. Hops is an INVASIVE WEED. It was like a bad '50s Sci-Fi movie. Everywhere you looked there were little "fingers" of hops poking up. The main plant would send out 6-7' long horizontal shoots into the yard, then begin growing upward and grabbing anything in it's path. I swear I could hear it grow at night. Brrrr.
And the smell was rather pungent and the pods were itchy. Related to hemp/marijuana, IIRC...
GWPDA, Time for pesto!
Thers, Why can't you grow from cuttings?
You aren't seriouly expect to apply formal logic to religion are you?
"For the children of this world are wiser in their generation than the children of light. Wherefore make unto yourselves friends out of the mammon of iniquity so that when you die they may receive you into everlasting dwellings."
This is one of the most difficult texts in all the Scriptures to interpret properly. let's see if you can do it with resonant assurance.
As I mentioned in the comments at my blog, my dear Thersites: it's a joke.
You know, Irony. Often useful in humor.
You might have heard of that. Even Jesus used it.
The mustard seed? The cedars of Lebanon? A joke.
Stop by the blog and ask, I'll explain it to you sometime.
Thers's text is the punchline to the parable of the dishonest steward which nobody has ever been able to make any sense of!
If Bush ever tried to read Luke his lips would get tired (I do not believe that the man is a reader -- not to shock anyone or anything)
Luke is RMJ's favorite because it is the most revolutionary socially -- I am more of a John kind of guy myself
Thers, Why can't you grow from cuttings?
Because then you'd be growing the original rosemary's babies.
Herbs are pretty much all "weeds", which is hwy they tend to be so easy to grow.
To those who are religious, why do you all insist that everyone agree w/you??
Why not lead from example rather than from edict?
Never have understood that, never will. Result is that I fear and resist you.
You aren't seriouly expect to apply formal logic to religion are you?
ακι
Aquinas did it. Who do you think returned Aristotle to Western philosophy?
Res, I'll tell you the same as I told watertiger.
Onion and garlic sets are your salvation. Onion sets can be obtained from most nurseries or online - all they need is a biggish pot, some sun and water, and you'll have spring onions in a matter of a couple of weeks. Either pull them or just take the tops. With garlics - go to the store, find some 'old' garlic cloves that look as tho they're sprouting - they are. Plant them, two or so inches deep - again, they'll sprout the most magnificent ribbons you'll ever have. Pick those ribbons, chop them for pasta - magnificent..... Otherwise - pots of parsley and pray.
Res,
Well you could try dill.
Think plants that are more leafy and less woody. They ones with woody stems tend to be from the Mediterranean and want lots of sun.
Because then you'd be growing the original rosemary's babies.
Remember that BIG WROUGHT IRON CHAIR FROM LAST NIGHT?
It's coming to see you....
Thers,
Ouch; I walked right into that one, didn't I?
Howdy, neighbors.
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No, wait, isn't that the bogus quotation from Isaiah from Pulp Fiction (a great movie about redemption, BTW)
The Dishonest Steward does have a weird punchline about mammon & the friends of this world -- no one gets it
Why not lead from example rather than from edict?
Never have understood that, never will. Result is that I fear and resist you.
Sarah Deere
Boy, I second that!
Thers, Why can't you grow from cuttings?
Because then you'd be growing the original rosemary's babies.
Thersites
You had to ask, didn't you?
Luke is RMJ's favorite because it is the most revolutionary socially -- I am more of a John kind of guy myself
I'm working on a comparative study of Luke and John. I'm convinced John had a copy of Luke, or that it was very influential on John, because of the anointing. I'm also interested in John's ironic use of the semeia; but having grown up among the "are you saved" crowd who think John 3:16 is the beginning and end of the gospels, I just can't warm up to it.
Hecate, that was the damnedest basil I ever did see. Under a ramada, all I did was put it into the ground. NOTHING else. And it grew and grew and grew and grew.... And then, one morning, the temperature dropped....
I do miss the spa that it was next to tho. If I ever get work again, I'm going to have a spa.
Diane, Hecate, pie -
My .49 pot of Basil from Target.
GWPDA
OoooOOoooOOooo
I am truly humbled! And I also vote for pesto...lots and lots of it.
The Dishonest Steward does have a weird punchline about mammon & the friends of this world -- no one gets it
Because everyone always thinks Jesus was dead serious and deathly dull.
I say the answer is "irony." After all, when you know mustard was a weed, and consider some of the parables from Luke (the lost sheep, the lost coin) that we find so "cute," you have to scratch your head and say, with Dom Crossan: "But how is the kingdom of God like that?"
Boy, I second that!
MisterX
Thanks. Oftentimes, I despair.
It is too late for me!
G'nite all -- enjoy your Saturday night!
See you in the morning (after I have delivered my sermon)
Sarah Deere -- Sorry I overlooked your offer Re: Curly's DVD last night... sleep deprivation, whew boy.
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Hey - before you go, Prior? Your little petrified coral is now sitting on the inside fountain in Arthur's room. Next to the bloodstone, the amethist and the agates. Pretty! Burbling!
Nighty-night.
Why not lead from example rather than from edict?
Sarah Deere,
WORD!!
Ouch; I walked right into that one, didn't I?
Indeed. I am almost ashamed of myself...
Clean, lavender-scented, sheets upstairs.
FUCK YOU ALL. DOT COM. I MEAN THAT. THE ORIGINAL FREEDOM FIGHTERS KNOW WHO THEY ARE ALL.
I say the answer is "irony." After all, when you know mustard was a weed, and consider some of the parables from Luke (the lost sheep, the lost coin) that we find so "cute," you have to scratch your head and say, with Dom Crossan: "But how is the kingdom of God like that?"
Nertz. It is a text which might seem to the casual observer at variance with the lofty morality elsewhere preached by Jesus Christ. But the text is specially adapted for the guidance of those whose lot it was to lead the life of the world and who yet wish to lead that life not in the manner of worldlings. It is a text for business men and professional men. Jesus Christ with His divine understanding of every cranny of our human nature, understood that all men are not called to the religious life, that by far the vast majority are forced to live in the world, and, to a certain extent, for the world: and in this sentence He designed to give them a word of counsel, setting before them as exemplars in the religious life those very worshippers of Mammon who were of all men the least solicitous in matters religious.
You know, you got the goods on JC, hey, let the uniniated into the joke. You got the inside track on what the fuck JC meant w/all his parables?
Hey, 'splain, Lucy. Let us all into the inner circle. No reason not to, right???
You got the goods? You got the fucking message???
Share it, motherfucker. Save us all.
However....if all you have to iffer is that we have to die, horribly, as Christ allegedly did, before we have legitimacy, then...you know... fuck you, because that has no relevance for the life we're all living now.
SD
To those who are religious, why do you all insist that everyone agree w/you??
Why not lead from example rather than from edict?
Never have understood that, never will. Result is that I fear and resist you.
Sarah Deere
And when, precisely, have I done that?
And as for this:
You know, you got the goods on JC, hey, let the uniniated into the joke. You got the inside track on what the fuck JC meant w/all his parables?
Hey, 'splain, Lucy. Let us all into the inner circle. No reason not to, right???
You got the goods? You got the fucking message???
Share it, motherfucker. Save us all.
However....if all you have to iffer is that we have to die, horribly, as Christ allegedly did, before we have legitimacy, then...you know... fuck you, because that has no relevance for the life we're all living now.
SD
Sarah Deere
I simply have no idea what you're talking about.
He designed to give them a word of counsel, setting before them as exemplars in the religious life those very worshippers of Mammon who were of all men the least solicitous in matters religious.
Thersites
Yeah. That's it. He was givin' them an out for the "health and wealth" gospel.
It's all so clear now!
(Ashamed)
That's Fr. Purdon's sermon from "Grace." Probably the most cutting satire of Irish Catholicism still going.
RMJ,
You and I are natural enemies.
Period. word.
SD
Sigh. Can we just send 'em all to Texas and let them form their own Christian Republic. Then they leave the rest of us alone. (My Apologies to any of you from TX)
RMJ,
You and I are natural enemies.
Sheesh. That's a bit much.
RMJ,
You and I are natural enemies.
Sheesh. That's a bit much.
Thersites |
No, it isn't.
(Ashamed)
That's Fr. Purdon's sermon from "Grace." Probably the most cutting satire of Irish Catholicism still going.
Thersites
No, I am. But thanks; I thought I was going nuts there for a minute, or that it was past my bedtime.
Sarah--Jesus commands me to love my enemies. So consider yourself to be whatever you want to be.
Well, I'd love to stay and be your enemy tonight, but I've got to be up in the morning.
Well, I'd love to stay and be your enemy tonight, but I've got to be up in the morning.
Robert M. Jeffers |
Uh huh
You want to talk about it sometime without being a smart ass, let me know.
SD
A pharmacist of conscience sees a bald, middle aged man walk up to the counter of the pharmacy.
The customer hands him a perscription for a combination of antiretroviral drugs.
The pharmacist of conscience sees the perscription and turns to the customer.
Pharmacist: "I'm sorry but we can't fill this perscription."
Customer: "Why? Is there something wrong with the perscription? The doctor's phone number is on the slip."
Pharmacist: "No. I just can't fill out the perscription."
Customer: "Can you direct me to a pharmacy that has the drug and can fill the perscription?"
Pharmacist: "No. I won't do that. I'm sorry but that is all."
Customer: "No wait. Why won't you help me? Did I do something? Say something?"
Pharmacist: "No. I think it would be best if you left."
Customer: "No. I think you owe me the courtesy of an explanation. I haven't done or said anything rude have I? I demand you give me an explanation!"
Pharmacist: "No. Please leave or I will have to contact the police."
Customer: "Will you please just explain why you won't? Is that too much to ask for? Why? Why? Won't you help me? Why?"
Pharmacist: "Cause you're a faggot and I'm not going to encourage your lifestyle! You have aids because god is punishing you! Now leave!"
Customer: (stunned) "Wha? I'm not gay? Why would that matter anyway? I'm not gay. Look! I have my wedding ring! See?!"
Pharmacist: "Lying isn't going to help you. Please go."
Customer leaves. Files lawsuit. ACLJ and others help the pharmacist. Call this a cultural issue in the press. An attack on christians and people of faith who do not wish to perpetuate immorality and sin.
Customer's lawyers go to court and present evidence. Turns out the man's wife died in a car accident a few years earlier. He almost died himself but contracted aids via a tainted blood transfusion resulting from the accident.
This is why these people can't be allowed to have even the slightest control. I don't care if we have to start a shooting war. Our freedom is at stake.
MYOB(Iron Charioteer)'
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People "of faith".....
enough said.
People "of faith".....
enough said.
Sarah Deere
Curse you, Sarah. For some reason I now have George Michael going through my head. Aaaaaagh!
Tom - Daai Tou Laam
Sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (really!!!)
Not everyone who is religous is arrogant enough to belive that they've got all the answers or even most. Some of us just hope that we are pointed in the right direction. There is absolutely no evidence that we are all supposed to believe the same things, though I've got no problem with insisting that everyone remain civil about it. Basic civility and fairness require that everyone have a degree of humility and the consequences of incivility and injustice are the opposite of morality.
I don't believe that anyone who insists on everyone pretending to believe the same things they pretend to has any faith. That's why they become so frantic when they come across someone who is honest about it. They're afraid that they might blow their cover and they might have to come clean, most of all to themselves.
I've been listening to Eugene Ysaye tonight, never really had before. He was rather shockingly modern and a much better composer than I'd thought before. All excited and staying up late. See. I can learn new things.
EPTropy |
In my "world", we live, we die, just like the lilles of the field.
I am so sick and tired of those who believe otherwise, and of those who believe that humans are more important (and more privileged) than other species.
Sorry, but some of us DO know we have the answers and are not the wuzzyfuzzy liberal relativists who change like teh wind. Our principles come from God and the Bible. America did too, but liberal lies try to pretned they do not. Evolution is another lie, as is socialism and class warfare. Turn back to God, USA, or you will reap what you sow.
America Has Freedom |
oh, fuck you, no kidding.
Jesus.
Bite something, quick. Hard.
Soon he will be calling us "libtards."
Begone, back to Yahoo with all the other
pre-pubes.
Atrios,
I have to laugh. These creeps think they'll stop sex in the red states?!
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sure they will. The stupid fucks!
There is on a per capita basis probably as much sodomy, as much fornication, fellatio, lesbian experimentation, and plain old carnal capers in a shit hole like Alabama as there is in Kansas, or Wyoming, or Vermont.
C'mon, the only possible thing to come out of this fantastic mumbo-jumbo nonsense is the rise of the most incredible display of hypocrisy since the later Victorian era!
Cervical cancer will be addressed and cured if possible, wingnuts approving or not!
Never seen you before Pist.
Nice to meet your idiocy.
Don't know youu either Wu, but I'll take it as a compliment.
You a friend of "America Loves Freedom?"
Or do you just miss being called a "contard?'
America--
Truly, you are good, but you are just starting to cut and paste stuff. No kidding, get some fresh material.
Two days in a row I see this stuff. Great, now the real trolls are going to think they can get lazy and not even have to use the three remaining brain cells that they have to comment with.
Not good, man. Not good. Lazy troll work hurts the whole community.
Your mother and I are disappointed in you, son.
I think they drank the water meant for us.
Sarah Deere, I can understand that, especially in the presence of such trollish and invincible ignorance as Am-fay shows.
To "know" something you have to be able to demonstrate its truth objectively even to rational people who aren't emotionally disposed to accept it. This does not include trolls who are not rational people. There is nothing in religon that can be demonstrated objectively. It is subjective and very prone to error. That's where the humility comes in.
Give them Florida, then wall it off from the rest of the country.
Do x-tian republicans dream about vaginas with teeth?
Ah, food and gardening .... I'm impressed...
Stuff like this makes one wish for a disease that doesn't harm women and doesn't show on the outside, but is only contaigeous during sex and makes the dick to rot and drop off.
Then we can start talking about a punishment from God, and possibly snigger about the horde of GOP senators with dicks in advanced states of putrification, wailing for medication.
Christianity IS a death cult. Think about it, what other religion has as it's basic tenet the idea that for others to be "saved" a man had to be horribly tortured and nailed to a couple of pieces of wood? To hardocore Christians/Catholics death is seen as a good thing. Life in the here and now doesn't matter, people exist only to die and be with the good lord Jeebus. It doesn't surprise me that male christians would rather have their daughters risk dying of cancer rather than take a vaccine which might free them of such worries and allow them to enjoy earthly pleasures including sex. Since Christianity is partriarchal in nature, by not allowing such things as this vaccine, it's a means of keeping the womenfolk in line while adhering to whole cult of death/die to be truly saved idiocy which is at the core of their "belief" system. It would appear these people don't even live in the same century as the rest of us.
"The only time Christians care about life is before birth or after death."
Thanks for the quote, kei & yuri! And your site ROCKS!
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urgent correction for Helga:
we do not have a site, and nearly anything could be in our "homepage" at any time. Think of it as the last interesting thing we saw, worthy of a kind of link of the day thing. Usually it's nutcase evangelical underground cartoonist Jack T Chick, Normal Bob Smith or "if Americans knew."
Also, that quote is not ours, it's from George Carlin.
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