I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Ooh, all for mena.
Nah. Too easy.
Flat world metaphors. Feh!
Let's discuss Tom Delay's hometown banning smelly folks from their public libraries.
Honestly, Atrios. Respect?
Really?
Hah! you snooze, you looze, GWPDA!
sure, why not? we've already abandoned evert other semblance of reason.
I much preferred Matt Taibbi's review of the book. Or whatever the reviewer's name is. It was loverly writing and full of pissiness.
Say it again and say it loud, Freidman sucks and he ain't proud.
Creepy...like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Only with mustaches.
Brooklyn lager. Marketing paper. No Hitchikers.
did ya ever go up in an airplane and look down and the world looks kinda flat? Ain't that deep?
Geesh... I just got through the first page and saw "Global Crossing"... *snicker* If the global economic playing field is level, then why did the US government stop the sale of Global Crossing out of bankruptcy to a Hong Kong based telecom?
And don't get me going about International Direct Dial pricing in the US... *grumble grumble grumble*
(feedback squeal)
Thomas Friedman, your Lexus has been repossessed. Please pick up your olive tree in the lobby on your way out.
That is all.
OK, Moonbats. I was told Bill the snake Maher would have our man Gannon on his show on HBO at 10:00 PM. What am I missing here? Was hoping for a drunken live blogging of the event.
Ooh, all for mena.
You may be right. Then again, I may be crazy.
Hah! you snooze, you looze, GWPDA!
Story of my life as a hypothyroid.... As a group, we don't move awfully fast - and we're always on the lookout for a nice flat rock in the sunshine.... Mmmmmmm.....toasty..
Say it again and say it loud, Freidman sucks and he ain't proud.
bigvic |
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Add a little backbeat to that, and we could have us a dancehouse hit!
Mmm... pissiness...
My kids are going to be sewing Nikes for a living.
(As the saying goes, "The pissiness of America is pissiness"...)
mena,
May I have this dance? Hahahahaha.
I would much rather click a linky and find a kitty.
Its past ten Philly time and no kitties. WTF?
Are they boycotting Dr. Black?
(As the saying goes, "The pissiness of America is pissiness"...)
Indeed! I never got that one before. 
well hell bigvic
is that 10 eastern?
that gives me time to get to the drunken part
What do these people add to the public discourse? what am I missing?
I prefered David Rees' comics takedown to Matt Taibbi's more precise jabs at Mustache Man. but that's just me.
Fareed? assholular toady:
Then came the fall. What happened? Like so much of the aesthetic ruin of American life, the martini was hollowed of its beauty by modernism.
The truth is that a cold breakfast and a hard day's work would kill Tom Friedman. Remember that the next time he tells you that losing your job isn't so bad.
OMG. I'm surfing for the Gannon interview only to find an HBO show where they are discussing/showing real live DICKS. I am not kidding.
Atrios,
If it is an empty set then we are truly doomed.
There simply MUST be some honorable Republicans out there.
I must be of a different generation, but if this is a youth of anything but the most well-to-do/preppy/repugnant type I don't want nothing to do with kids:
"It's your senior year in college. You walk into a New York bar with friends. It's a swell place--a gleaming bar, rows of twinkling glasses, the buzz of jazz and conversation mingling softly. You decide to order a martini. The bartender nods appreciatively. You smile and settle onto the bar stool. A Cole Porter tune wafts through the air."
Yes, when I was in college my friends and I went to NY(how?) and hung around trendy bars playing Cole Porter drinking martinis. What a pompous asshole.
Now, a case of Goebel, some rightous bud, a few ludes and some Zep? Them is my people.
Did the kitties run off with that drunken kittie that lives in the alley?
bigvic,
That would be 11:00 pm eastern time.
*snicker* From the review:
"""'It is the creation of this platform, with these unique attributes, that is the truly important sustainable breakthrough that has made what you call the flattening of the world possible,'' Microsoft's chief technology officer, Craig J. Mundie, told Friedman."""
Wow. I expect a bunch of buzzword bingo from Microsoft, but this looks like Catbert's handiwork.
real live DICKS
Cops?
I had a lefty history prof in college who used to narrate for us his arguments with conservatives.
My prof: "I have no objection to conservatives if they're intellectuals who can write."
His conservative nemesis:" Yes, but you don't think there's been an intellectual conservative who can write since Burke."
(That'd be Edmund Burke, author of Reflections on the Revolution in France.)
OMG. I'm surfing for the Gannon interview only to find an HBO show where they are discussing/showing real live DICKS. I am not kidding.
bigvic | Email | Homepage | 04.29.05 - 10:40 pm | #
So, how can you be sure it's not Maher and Gannon?
friedmans books are much ado about nothing
Bigvic - do we know whose?
Central,
Thanks. Damn. I wanted to go to bed by then, but Gucky will have to keep me up a little longer. Oy. Also, I hate that jerk Maher keeping me up. Creep Magna Cum Laude.
Where are the kitties??
..but Gucky will have to keep me up a little longer.
That's what Rove said....
" Yes, but you don't think there's been an intellectual conservative who can write since Burke."
And his point would be?
..but Gucky will have to keep me up a little longer.
That's what Rove said....
Gucky and a case of viagra - maybe.
So, how can you be sure it's not Maher and Gannon?
Hahahahahaha. Well, the dicks I saw were liver spotted and not actually 8"'s and cut, so sue me. Heh.
Help!
Dr. Black is trying to turn our ears FLAT!
What do they say about assuming? Friedman definitely makes an ass out of hissef here.
"""These Indian techies were doing what was their comparative advantage and then turning around and using their income to buy all the products from America that are our comparative advantage. . . . Both our countries would benefit."""
Buying what? All the products made in America? What products?
Dr. Black is trying to turn our ears FLAT!
You don't want to mess with the Flat Ears Society.
"Well, the dicks I saw were liver spotted and not actually 8"'s and cut, so sue me. Heh."
Liver spotted dicks? Bigvic, you watched long enough to see that you be very lonely.
flory,
I think the point was that conservatives who put real thought into their positions and articulate them well are few and far between.
Or, as John Stuart Mill said, "Not all conservatives are stupid people, but most stupid people are conservatives."
Okay I'm a little surprised by all the knee jerk against the metaphor. Today I got a call from a security firm called Buckeye Security (I live in Ohio and the firm is obviously regional). The call was routed through LA (according to caller ID) and the voice - I ended up getting two calls today - was obviously Indian. My brother-in-law is from India so I know the accent from my in-laws. The people who used to do that job probably lived in a rural area of Ohio the way a lot of phone banks were just a few short years ago.
Lawyers overseas are doing research when domestic firms are closed for the night. Manufacturing is done in China for shoes or jeans that were just a few years ago done at a midwestern state near you. IT work has been done for years around the globe.
I haven't read the book and doubt I will because I don't find Freidman particulary interesting or insightful but come on...the world is getting better at educating toward first world need fulfillment and they do it cheaper.
Combine that with America making it harder to be a magnet for the best talent from other countries to come here and well...the world is getting flatter.
Gucky sez.... If I make your erection last more than 4 hours, call your doctor and scream, UNCLE!
"Buying what? All the products made in America? What products?"
brittany spears cd's?
WHat time is Bill Maher on and will anyone here be live-blogging Gucky's appearance?
Zakaria media whores for Friedman?
How original.
Self-protecting, self shilling, and self congratulating to the last. That's our Main Stream Media.
"flat earth" is a metaphor for ignorance, provinciality, inaccessibility of the farthest reachest of the globe. In no way does "flat earth" represent "easy global communications and trade."
Okay I'm a little surprised by all the knee jerk against the metaphor.
My problem isn't so much with the metaphor as with the fact that he packaged up a bunch of stuff that's pretty much common knowledge by now, and acted like it was a great brilliant revelation...
did ya ever go up in an airplane and look down and the world looks kinda flat? Ain't that deep?
tom freidcicle -10:34 pm
pretty much that happens when all you do is look in one direction: Straight Down...
that gives me time to get to the drunken part
ErinPDX
Start guzzeling now. You can Do it. It's HARD WORK, but we liberals are up for it.
Got to the end of this steamin' pile o'...
"""The largest political factor is, of course, the structure of global politics. The flat economic world has been created by an extremely unflat political world. The United States dominates the globe like no country since ancient Rome. It has been at the forefront, pushing for open markets, open trade and open politics."""
Actually... no. The US has been bullying other countries to accept US goods and US IP laws without much in return.
Check FTA's for Australia and Thailand for issues with generic pharmaceuticals, especially AIDS drugs.
Check the latest bullying of Hong Kong on Open Skies airline agreements, where Hong Kong would allow complete access to US airlines but the US would give nothing in return to Hong Kong.
That ain't open markets, open trade or open politics. Just thuggery that tends to make the rest of the world see the Busheviks as little men worthy of a few offerings to the White Tiger.
'pretty much that happens when all you do is look in one direction: Straight Down..."
Ah... excuse me sir, it works better if the shade is up.
Tom- I'm curious as to why you are where you are. Do you work for a multinational or are you off on your own?
My sig. other has a chance to work abroad and is tempted as it sounds like the company in question might be doing something and at present he's sitting on his ass collecting checks. No wonder our companies aren't productive.
damnit.. heh
From the link: "Now," [Bill] Gates says, "I would rather be a genius born in China than an average guy born in Poughkeepsie."
This average guy born in Poughkeepsie begs to differ. What the hell does Bill Gates know about geniuses? Is he telling us that in all those shoe factories, etc. there are no geniuses? All Chinese geniuses automatically gain the necessary education at the same time as class disparity in China
is rising drastically? Or do Chinese geniuses automatically hit the lottery when born in adverse circumstances.
(I will say that I'm glad I don't live in Poughkeepsie, with its atrocious class and race disparities, anymore.)
flory,
I think the point was that conservatives who put real thought into their positions and articulate them well are few and far between.
Hell, they are non-existant
" In no way does "flat earth" represent "easy global communications and trade."
At one time it did, but can't mataphors change? The answer is: if you are a brilliant and deep thinker like TF and you are in a plane and notice the world looks flat and can then tie that into global use of technology...why yes, yes, you can change a metaphor.
And that's why you will remain a lowly blogger. You have no vision, or friends like Fareed.
"flat earth" is a metaphor for ignorance, provinciality, inaccessibility of the farthest reachest of the globe. In no way does "flat earth" represent "easy global communications and trade."
Atrios - 10:54 pm
well said, A; d'accorde...
but i believe the implicature that renders this metaphor objectionable is the implicit assertion that there is no longer any but "meritocratic" advantage...that the playiong field is, indeed flat...which is so laughably untrue as to defy repartee...
the world is getting better at educating toward first world need fulfillment and they do it cheaper.
carsick
Where is King Leopold? He might have a few things to say about the world fulfilling first world needs.
Okay Atrios I see your point but isn't it possible he's just using a play on a familiar phrase or words and showing that it's exactly the opposite of its original meaning?
By the way, I still think the catch phrase for your site should be, "Reality Dunkin' Black Coffee."
flory,
I think the point was that conservatives who put real thought into their positions and articulate them well are few and far between.
Hell, they are non-existant
the point i was trying to make in a sarcastic and completely ineffectual way. Oh well. 
OOps, menat to use this quote by Atrios :"flat earth" is a metaphor for ignorance, provinciality, inaccessibility of the farthest reachest of the globe."
Zakaria's wrong about martinis, too. Extra dry martinis are the thing.
northsylvania - I'm here for LOVE!
Though this is definitely an interesting place to live at an interesting time in history.
flory,
Not to worry. You made a very good point.
There simply MUST be some honorable Republicans out there.
ErinPDX
Yes - in the history books.
ok big vic
half bottle red gone is that enough?
need more to stomach the 3 inch cut boy
tv in other room
will come back later with highlights
shit, the Great Depression was interesting, doesn't mean I'd have wanted to live through it
Ooooo, Tom, I miss King Leopold!
And I didn't mean to diss your aggregator function, earlier. We do appreciate it!! But the freepers et al. made it sound like they were finding advertisers and such. That's all I was bemoaning. I just want somone to pick up my ebay bill for crappy 70's music magazines.
I don't think that honorable conservatives get the good jobs. They are buried somewhere because they are not extreme enough or good enough liars.
It's years since I had a really good debate with a conservative, and by "good" I mean a polite and rational one where I felt no need to slow down my own thinking to make it fair. Sorry, but this is true however nasty it sounds.
Zakaria's wrong about martinis, too. Extra dry martinis are the thing.
Redleg
Extra dry martinis are not martinis. They are "gin, straight" even if you plop an olive into it.
Good grief, the Philistines really have taken over, haven't they?
sure, friedman's various points are also objectionable, but his metaphor is fucking horrible...
Maybe he meant "Level Playing Field Earth" or some such shit.
That's the best reason to be anywhere at any time. Enjoy.
ErinPDX,
The former Republican governor of the state of Michigan, William Milliken, gave Kerry a strong endorsement before the election. I voted for Milliken, but at this point I will never vote for another.
WHat time is Bill Maher on and will anyone here be live-blogging Gucky's appearance?
Res Ipsa Loquitor
Sadly, it is on at 11:00 EST. I'm gonna try to stay up to help live blog it as long as I can keep my eyes open. I'm exhausted.
With all the fundie crackpots trying to send us back to the 15th century, is it any wonder people in developing nations are becoming better educated in math and science than Americans?
Now we're selling their wares for slave wages at Wal-Mart while their scientists are writing our computer code and second-guessing our doctors.
There simply MUST be some honorable Republicans out there.
ErinPDX
Yes - in the history books.
Stinky | Email | Homepage
I've said this before, but I think
the last one was Elliot Richardson.
Alas!
Echidine,
I know what you mean.
Used to debate with these guys and sort of shake in my boots because I'm also a pragmatist.
But now, they have no facts to support them whatsoever.
sure, friedman's various points are also objectionable, but his metaphor is fucking horrible...
Won't read the book, but read the article. The whole thing sounded really forced.
I have a suspicion that if some nobody had submitted that manuscript to a publisher, they would have been laughed at.
You know, I'm turning militant. I started a wishy-washy middle-of-the-road type of goddess who just wanted to be friends. Four years of Bushit and I'm getting into some real combat training.
Kicking those bags with Bush's head on them is great!
(Confidentially, I refuse to pollute my mind with Friedman - he is a wanker and piss-poor thinker. Flat earth indeed: Kind of like the furrows of thought that have never creased his brow.)
Well, okay, he's an ass....but that being said, I like my martinis wet too. Is that bad?
Ivory-billed woodpecker blogwhore!
Even with all anecdotal evidence used in the article, it still manages to disprove its central point.
There is the example of the illustrator who had to move into "illustration consulting" to remain competitive. Well, does that mean no Asian could ever compete as an illustration consultant at that same dime on the dollar?
The issue, to me, never was the likelihood of US firms finding cheaper labor outside the US. The issue is why our government is satisfied that the 2% of the population who are corporate executives are fat and happy and the rest have much bleaker career futures than their counterparts from thiry years ago.
Here's some useful anecdotal evidence: When the woman told Shrub she had three jobs to keep her family alive, the smacktard said "That's fabulous! Only in America!"
" They are "gin, straight" even if you plop an olive into it."
Nonsense. As is contention that a martini must be made with gin vs vodka.
Any college boy that pretends sophistication by hanging in a martini bar listening to Cole Porter with his yuppy scum friends is a douchbag of windbagery.
sure, friedman's various points are also objectionable, but his metaphor is fucking horrible...
That dimwit is totally and completely unreadable anymore. He and Broder have completely lost their minds and need to be cut off. Cal Thomas, too. Has-beens, all.
shit, the Great Depression was interesting, doesn't mean I'd have wanted to live through it
sunzoo
Blogwhore of one of three of the posts on Interesting Speculation on Yuan Revaluation. (current buzz suggests in the next week, but...) This one is from a piece by ABN Amro's Eddie Wong.
All the usual US White Elephants are there... trade deficit, manufacturing base, inflation, interest rates. And the fact that the US government is being careful to try not to get what it publicly demagogues over.
If Friedman meant to use the "flat earth" idea by making it sarcastic he failed. He shouldn't have tried it in the first place if he wasn't certain that the majority of his readers would get his point of view. You can't run away with an idea if nobody follows.
Besides, the flat earth term is so strongly attached to anti-scientific beliefs and stubborn ignorance that it would take an extremely skilled writer to pull something like that off. Friedman is not an extremely skilled writer.
I'm with you DWD. I'm just not willing to spend my friday night tlaking about friedman.
Real time is starting....
A-hole Bill Maher on now.
I'm gonna try to stay up to help live blog it as long as I can keep my eyes open
Thanks for the public service bigvic, some of us don't have cable.
You know, I'm turning militant. I started a wishy-washy middle-of-the-road type of goddess who just wanted to be friends. Four years of Bushit and I'm getting into some real combat training.
Kicking those bags with Bush's head on them is great!
Echidne of the snakes | Email | Homepage | 04.29.05 - 11:12 pm
Ditto
why do I just tune out the reports of car bombs and dead american soliders now?
eh, another day, another bucket of blood on Bush's hands. so what's new?
If I woke up to another 9/11 tomorrow I'd probably turn off the TV, roll over and catch a few extra hours of sleep. I mean really, who's gonna show up?
OK, that's funny--he's holding the hand of a Saudi.
Of course, the jokes are wooden.
Friedman's "flat earth" = Disney's "It's a Small World after All"
And it's about as intellectually stimulating.
Well, crap! I can't even blogwhore correctly.
[hangs head in shame]
Just go to the homepage link. [sniff]
Hey DWD
Don't feel bad
in the 80's I voted for repug
wine box grope her ass packwood
for the record, I prefer a very dry martini (though it's more important to not leave it on ice too long than to reduce the vermouth component), but I still enjoyed the essay.
Or do any english verbs concerning friedman.
Maher on now....former white house
press correspondent Jeff Gannon on
soon....
Hi Res!
"A dizzy socialite trying to function in a real job. And then Paris Hilton's show."
By the way, for those interested in the martini question, I was taught as a youth that a good martini is one where you wave a bottle of vermouth in the vacinity of the martini glass of vodka. Gin works too but the same rule applies.
You know, I'm turning militant. I started a wishy-washy middle-of-the-road type of goddess who just wanted to be friends. Four years of Bushit and I'm getting into some real combat training.
Kicking those bags with Bush's head on them is great!
Echidne of the snakes | Email | Homepage | 04.29.05 - 11:12 pm
Ditto
ErinPDX | Email | Homepage | 04.29.05 - 11:16 pm | #
Ditto, ditto
"Friedman's "flat earth" = Disney's "It's a Small World after All"
You bastard.
But the freepers et al. made it sound like they were finding advertisers and such. That's all I was bemoaning. I just want somone to pick up my ebay bill for crappy 70's music magazines.
NYMary
Well if the aggregator can drive hits your way, those eyeballs are worth ad money. And definitely wanting to send eyeballs to everyone on the list. (and looking at a few others that aren't on the list yet, but there's this issue of time interfering with LOVE. )
Who's got the write up on blogads and how many eyeballs ya need to pay for "entertainment expenses"?
I have a suspicion that if some nobody had submitted that manuscript to a publisher, they would have been laughed at.
Eli
No Duh! That fool is embarrassing and then some. He has hit rock bottom.
Nonsense. As is contention that a martini must be made with gin vs vodka.
Imagine a rude raspberry in your general direction
Any college boy that pretends sophistication by hanging in a martini bar listening to Cole Porter with his yuppy scum friends is a douchbag of windbagery.
jdw
THAT comment is absolutely right on, and was deserving of being posted again.
I think Mrs. Atrios saw the picture of poor Wiley last week -- ears pinned back -- and said "no catblogging this week for you, Mr. Atrios!"
"Friedman's "flat earth" = Disney's "It's a Small World after All"
You bastard.
jdw
And unhappily I've got a new Disney as a neighbour. If it was such a fuckin' small world, why didn't they just stay in Anaheim?
I used to make martinis for my late daddy. He liked two jiggers of gin, one-half vermouth, one-half water, two olives and a shit-load of ice. I don't know if that's "wet" or "dry," but that's the way he liked 'em.
Walmart...your source for cheap plastic crap
Wal-Mart alone last year imported $18 billion worth of goods from its 5,000 Chinese suppliers. (Friedman doesn't do the math, but this would mean that of Wal-Mart's 6,000 suppliers, 80 percent are in one country -- China.)
and so does factcheck.org
Friedman is not an extremely skilled writer.
Understatement of the year.
BTW:
Has Backslider been around lately?
I need his expertise......
Tlazolteot,
Buck up, old man. Buck up. Thisss ought to be fun. We shall see.
hey, steve simels.
Have you had a few adult beverages?
" I was taught as a youth that a good martini is one where you wave a bottle of vermouth in the vacinity of the martini glass of vodka."
See, Fareed tho, insists you are a cretin because he's got the one- and only one- way to make a martini correctly. Never mind if you don't like gin, and never mind that since he defines a martini as a 'mixed drink' it doesn't mean you have to put a shitload of vermouth into it.
And never, never mind that you aren't as hip as he is to be hanging in a freaking NY martini bar while in college. What a posing douchbag.
Friedman is not an extremely skilled writer.
Understatement of the year.
Yes. That's my official style. What I really think of him:
He is a bloody poisonous dingleberry who probably was born from some violent fucking between a spore of black death and George Bush's smegma. He writes as if he has a giant rotting prick for each of his ten fingers.
That's my unedited opinion...
"So, I talked to a gaunt cabbie in Delhi, and he told me the world is flat. Hmmm, I thought, there is a book there. And I was right. I am now richer than last year."
I heart Echidne.
Steve S.,
I have not seen Backslider in weeks. Maybe some other geek can help you? Backslider is cool, don't mean to imply that he is a nut. He's not.
Am I just blind? or is this not really Friday?
cause I don't see no kitties.
Schumer sounds pretty good, almost Dean-ish.
Same here, mena,
And definitely wanting to send eyeballs to everyone on the list
Ewwww. Gross.
Thanks, dude, but what the hell am i gonna do with a pile of detached eyeballs?
He is a bloody poisonous dingleberry who probably was born from some violent fucking between a spore of black death and George Bush's smegma. He writes as if he has a giant rotting prick for each of his ten fingers.
Now, see - its stuff like this is why I want to be adopted.
Even if 4lg gets the big bedroom.
Any college boy that pretends sophistication by hanging in a martini bar listening to Cole Porter with his yuppy scum friends is a douchbag of windbagery.
I read that sentence and immediately thought of Tucker Carlson. Now we know how he spent his college years.
ok, FLG.
I'm sorry folks, I've recycled these cats three times today. But since Atrios didn't do his duty, this is for FLG.
Smile.
Backslider's been making guerilla visits to overnight threads, but not here for a good serious visit in a while.
My problem isn't so much with the metaphor as with the fact that he packaged up a bunch of stuff that's pretty much common knowledge by now, and acted like it was a great brilliant revelation...
My problem is that he's a pretentious ass who makes assinine arguments and has a laugh that sounds like a burro braying.
4leggers,
Go upthread to see some really good kitty's by Dave. Reall beauties. There's a grey I would kill for.
Something seems to be missing tonight. Should I let the cat out of the bag?
Am I just blind? or is this not really Friday?
cause I don't see no kitties.
Oh no - maybe we're stuck in a groundhog day-type thingy.
Eternal thursday.
Bill Maher show
Schumer interview
"if you run away from the issue, they (R's) win.
Dems are holding firm on judges and ss
they are united
are winning public opinion
standing firm"
Schumer sounds pretty good, almost Dean-ish.
NYMary
How so? Schumer is the one in the Senate sponsoring the bill on Chinese Yuan Revaluation or slapping tarrifs on the products, neither of which will do the things that Schumer should really want for the US working class.
You're not blind 4lG. Atrios is performing a Pavlovian experiment on us.
jdw
Why "Sack O'Hammers" ?
Am I just blind? or is this not really Friday?
cause I don't see no kitties.
Can't show you kitties, but I can show you a rather cure gallery of severed heads.
Damn, that last post was a nightmare of typos/spelling errors. Ha.
Thanks, sistas. Flory, you can have all of the basement. With your own entrance!
Oh no - maybe we're stuck in a groundhog day-type thingy.
Eternal thursday.
flory
Nah. It's Saturday. Late morning already.
jdw, feral lib:
Loverly kitties.
Thanky.
I hope I never write a book about the success of a small business's niche marketing called, "The Moon is Made of Cheese" or you guys will rip me a new one as I struggle to say it was a play on words to help sell books.
Schumer sounds pretty good, almost Dean-ish.
Don't fall for it. He's just quick to the mic on certain issues.
Here's an interview with Nobel laureate Wole Soyinka.
Soyinka, who turned 70 last year, is in Cambridge to be honored by Harvard University's W.E.B. Du Bois Institute. In an interview yesterday, Soyinka, who has braved death many times in his native, turbulent Nigeria, says that for all of our technology, Americans are now among the most insular and least curious people in the world.
''The basis of it is a lack of an integrated exposure to other societies. This is one of the most insular societies I've ever encountered anywhere. And I'm not talking just about ghetto kids. Professors . . . parents . . . legislators. It's across the board. That is something you do not find to that extent in the rest of the world."
"Why "Sack O'Hammers" ?"
'Cause he's dumber then dirt. Or a sack of hammers, as you prefer.
I read that sentence and immediately thought of Tucker Carlson. Now we know how he spent his college years.
Toonscribe
Yes - still trying to fit into Daddy's ascots, too.
Night Moonbats. See you with the morning crew. Eli, You done good, thanks.
Echidne: You are on it tonight! 
bigvic: Thanks! Just starting my blog, trying to drum up some interest. I think a wet martini may be in order.
Thanks, dude, but what the hell am i gonna do with a pile of detached eyeballs?
Thersites
You obviously haven't watched a bunch of Cantonese eat a whole fish.
Thers:
Have you considered counseling?
sorry. wiley peed on the USB port and then Gizmo clawed the lense.
Kitties will return in one month's time.
jdw
Oh
Is that a common saying? Never heard it myself. Here, we are not very creative, dumbo and dufus work well and are interchangable.
Our version of your orange guys usually has the nickname of Sunkist Tornado.
I hope I never write a book about the success of a small business's niche marketing called, "The Moon is Made of Cheese" or you guys will rip me a new one as I struggle to say it was a play on words to help sell books.
carsick
Jesus made the moon out of cheese so we'd have enough snacks to get us through to the Rapture.
'Cause he's dumber then dirt. Or a sack of hammers, as you prefer.
jdw |
===
But inside he's just special.
FeralLiberal: what a beasuty!
You obviously haven't watched a bunch of Cantonese eat a whole fish.
Mmmm. Crunchy fish eyes. The only thing I miss about being a vegetarian.
"The Earth is flat, but there are political humps."
So sayeth Friedman.
Political humps?
I suppose that would mean a US soldier getting the death penalty for murdering two colleagues, but a whitewash for US soldiers who execute Iraqis with a single coup de grace bullet to the head, or who kill Italian secret ops guys who are trying to protect a "leftist" journalist.
In the flat World (with humps) we examine our consciences, find them clear and move on to more atrocities without punishment.
There's babyblogging at the home page.
In an interesting cross-pollination, it's also 5-year-old blogging, since he was the photographer.
Is Male Whore Gucky up yet?
sorry. wiley peed on the USB port and then Gizmo clawed the lense.
Kitties will return in one month's time.
Atrios
At least they're not forging prescriptions or doing Da Butt dance.
bad kitties.....
'Nite all..
They're ripping into the black Republican, pretty viciously.
Maher show
House toby
"so you say that a couple making 150K each is RICH?
what fucking planet is this black repug man on?
Fuck him
In the flat World (with humps) we examine our consciences, find them clear and move on to more atrocities without punishment.
give it time. sheesh! so impatient.
My problem is that he's a pretentious ass who makes assinine arguments and has a laugh that sounds like a burro braying.
Can't argue with that. He is a professional antagonist. Bullshit artist of the highest order.
Night Moonbats. See you with the morning crew. Eli, You done good, thanks.
My pleasure, DWDude!
'The basis of it is a lack of an integrated exposure to other societies. This is one of the most insular societies I've ever encountered anywhere. And I'm not talking just about ghetto kids. Professors . . . parents . . . legislators. It's across the board. That is something you do not find to that extent in the rest of the world."
Karin
Thanks for the link, Karin. There was a letter to the editor of the South China Morning Post from an American father here trying to explain to his children why they don't move to the U.S.
This was the explanation... especially since we get plenty of US culture and news without actually having to stuck in the middle of it with no way out.
Flory, you can have all of the basement. With your own entrance!
Thanks, mom. I promise I won't have any wild parties while you're away.
Much.
Karin: I was listening to a CBC radio program last night, and they were interviewing the guy who Boosh just selected as our new ambassador to Canada. The guy admitted that he hadn't even been there in, like, 35 years, and it was obvious that he knows absolutely nothing about Canda at all. I was so embarrassed...but of course, that is a familiar feeling over the last 4 or so years....
Atrios, I think you're letting Friedman's other 9859656895689596 horrible metaphors cloud your judgement. The flat earth one is actually kinda good.
Tom - Daai Tou Laam
nice blog. look forward to reading it...
"Is that a common saying?"
Guess not! Frank is very lovable and has his charms. He's just stupid. Dumbest critter I ever owned.
Including a turtle.
wiley peed on the USB port and then Gizmo clawed the lense.
Man, the fame has gone to their heads. Isn't that what Val Kilmer was supposed to have done on the Dr Moreau set?
Maher
"now he's the guest that won't leave"
(re bush)
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
s Male Whore Gucky up yet?
Res Ipsa Loquitor | Email | Homepage
Not yet....but wait!!!!
sorry. wiley peed on the USB port and then Gizmo clawed the lense.
Atrios
Couldn't you have at least drawn some stick figures and scanned them?
WHo's the black Republican on Maher?
jdw - Pippin (who is sitting on top of my monitor as I type) Thanks You!
Karin: I was listening to a CBC radio program last night, and they were interviewing the guy who Boosh just selected as our new ambassador to Canada. The guy admitted that he hadn't even been there in, like, 35 years, and it was obvious that he knows absolutely nothing about Canda at all. I was so embarrassed...but of course, that is a familiar feeling over the last 4 or so years....
Tlazolteotl
After the last US Ambassador to Canada, former Gov. Paul Celluci (R-MA), I think the Canadians are thoroughly prepared for ignorance incarnate.
Kitties will return in one month's time.
Atrios
==
See? I'm telling you, he got a grant.
Maher's playoff analogy is *perfect*.
sorry. wiley peed on the USB port and then Gizmo clawed the lense.
Kitties will return in one month's time.
Atrios | Email | Homepage | 04.29.05 - 11:35 pm | #
Dude, you might want to leave them cats the hell alone, if that's the case. Maybe they're trying to tell you something.
Res,
Lieutenant Govenor of Maryland--didn't catch the name.
He's outclassed.
Thanks jdw- actually I saw your kitties earlier and they're awfully cute.
Res:
Barring an act of god, I should be
able to e-mail you an MP3 of "Judy
is a Punk" in about fifteen minutes.
Wow, he peed on the USB port? Zulu would be in some serious trouble at our house if that happened.
G'night guys. NYMary, Rosie looks as gorgeous as ever. I am not looking forward to the emergence of BigGirlBlogging. Say hi to backslider for me if he does show up.
Hey, Backslider! Long time no see! steve was looking for you.
In an interesting cross-pollination, it's also 5-year-old blogging, since he was the photographer.
Whew!! I was a little worried there - given the earlier pictures by the 5-yr old.
here's Ian...he does backflips, but only on Tuesdays:
Nice!
"sorry. wiley peed on the USB port and then Gizmo clawed the lense.
Kitties will return in one month's time.
Atrios"
Is that when you can afford a new camera lens, or when you let them back in from the garage?
I think his name is Michael Steele
Bah. Bring on the penis head!
NYMary,
Whatever it was, I didn't do it. I was at church at the time, swear on my mother's grave.
Atrios is 'punishing' the cats by not posting their pictures. Hmmmm. I always assumed ours would consider the picture the punishment.
Bowser the wonderdog would be *thrilled* to be dogblogged, but never holds still long enough...
whoa! backslider's here. hey, dude. we miss you around these here parts.
Matthew,
Hoo, boy. Your cat is a fluffy little pumpkin. I mean that in a good way.
Martin Short says snake handlers are Bush voters.
He's probably right.
Bless your little rock and roll heart, steve simels...
Backslider,
I think he had a seriously obscure music question.
But what *have* you done?
Magic underpants!
Hey there, Backslider. Did we just bring you up out of the ether?
I believe in magic underpants. They're the ones the gnomes keep taking. Why else would they?
As for this:
sorry. wiley peed on the USB port and then Gizmo clawed the lense.
Kitties will return in one month's time.
I see. Kitties were bad so you punish US.
Are you turning republican on us or sumpin?
"If you believe in magic underpants or snakebiting, I'm sorry, you're not that bright."
The woman in the middle is embarrassingly inane.
Everytime I see this guy Steele, he looks unreal.
"Atrios is 'punishing' the cats by not posting their pictures."
Nah, the cats wanted copyright and full residuals. Right now it's a stalemate until Atrios meets with their agents and grovels.
"Connoisseurs suggest simply allowing a ray of sunlight to shine through the bottle of Noilly Prat before it hits the bottle of gin."
My Dad loved Noilly Prat and Martinis and Scotch.
He would make the same kind of joke about 'dry ' Martinis.
But like me, after I developed a taste for them, believed A Martini, by definition, is Gin and Vermouth.
You don't put Vermouth or Gin in it, IT ISN'T A MARTINI!!!!
Knew a bartender that said if a customer ordered a very dry Martini, she would give them straight Gin!
That's not a Martini, was my point.
We went round and round.
If you don't like Martinis and would rather have straight Gin, than just say so, just don't call it a Martini!
Don't know why this pisses me off, but it does.
Some quality Gin and Vermouth like Noilly Prat at 4 to 1 is great.
.
"You taste just like your dad."
I see. Kitties were bad so you punish US.
Are you turning republican on us or sumpin?
Word.
If we're gonna go a whole month without Atri-kitties we need some official Friday guest-kitties on this here blog.
Gannon's on.
Backslider:
If you've got a minute....need
your help.
I'm making a comp CD for my watering
hole whose theme is "The Rolling
Stones Play Chuck Berry."
(Both songs Chuck wrote and songs
the Stones learned from him)
I think I'm forgetting a song or
two, so if you can help me, I'd
appreciate it.
Here's what I've got so far (not
in this order)
1. Bye Bye Johnny -- studio, EP, 63
2. Bye Bye Johnny - live, Madison
Square Garden, 71
3.Route 66 -- studio version, first
album
4. Route 66 -- live, Decembers
Children
5. Carol -- live, Get Your Ya Yas
6. Carol - studio, first album
7. Around and Around -- studio
8. Down the Road Apiece -- studio
9. You Can't Catch Me -- studio
10. Let It Rock - live 71 (Spanish
Sticky Fingers)
11. Little Queenie - live (Get Your
Ya- Yas)
12. Dont' Lie to Me (studio, Metamorphosis)
Four Legs,
here's Ian...he does backflips, but only on Tuesdays
Jeff Gannon has ticks.
PENIS HEAD!!!!!!!!
UGH. Gannon is praising the Minuteman project.
Oh. My. GOD.
He IS a dick with ears.
Holy shit. And he totally take himself seriously.
What a human fucking trainwreck.
C'mon bill, ask him about the billions of visits to the WH, who was he blowing? WHO??????
Why on earth would anyone ever say "no disrespect" to "Jeff Gannon"?
My cats wouldn't think about urinating anywhere but the litterbox.
In fact, Dramba can spend the whole day outside, and the very first thing she does when she comes in is head straight for the box.
That's the main reason I choose to have girly cats. Male cats can be so..... unpredictable.
Tom DTL - oh, no doubt the Canadians will be very nice about it, as they always are. But I was still horrified. I didn't catch the guy's name, they were interviewing him from Columbus, S.C. though. And the worst thing was that he wouldn't answer their questions at all! Kept saying "well, I can't get into anything of substance until I'm confirmed." He wouldn't even hum a few bars of "Oh, Canada" just to be a good sport!
I don't give a shit what he thinks about the Minutemen!
WHO WAS HE FUCKING INSIDE THE W.H.?????
Gannon....
I want a side shot...is his nose
growing?
He's denying, not the "allegations," but their "relevance."
Lots of allegations....
What an ass.
This is just fucking embarrassing. I'm actually cringing for the guy.
How can ya be such a douchebag?
Bill Maher has a pussy.
Jeff Gannon 'doesn't know the answer' as to why he was given a press pass.
UGH. Gannon is praising the Minuteman project.
Ahnuld blew his chances at re-election this week by praising the program - twice.
Bye, bye latino vote.
Maher keeps yelling at his audience for being liberal.
But he's asking about the entry/exit times.
You know, I'm turning militant. I started a wishy-washy middle-of-the-road type of goddess who just wanted to be friends. Four years of Bushit and I'm getting into some real combat training.
Kicking those bags with Bush's head on them is great!
Echidne of the snakes | Email | Homepage | 04.29.05 - 11:12 pm
Ditto
ErinPDX | Email | Homepage | 04.29.05 - 11:16 pm | #
Ditto, ditto
Hoyt C. | Email | Homepage | 04.29.05 - 11:18 pm | #
Moonbat caves at night are dangerous places.
He's being coached. He keeps looking off to the side.
Claims he was at t-ball games.
"That's what reporters do."
Bwa HA HA HA HA HA HAHAH AHHAH AH AH!!
I read Fareed's piece and I think he really was using Friedman as a vehicle to make his point that America has to change with the world. He thinks more globally than most of us.
I like Fareed alot. I don't like people who like the administration.
My life as a 'male prostitute' is irrelevant to being a journalist.
why doesn't Gannon look into the camera?
Gannon is praising the Minuteman project
Of course, he loves the idea of a Man a Minute.
sorry. wiley peed on the USB port and then Gizmo clawed the lense.
Kitties will return in one month's time. Hahaha. Atrios is a tough Daddy.
BTW this stupid Maher interview with our man Gannon is obscene.
Maher does keep mentioning what would have happened at the Clinton White House.
"Usually, the way it works, is people become reporters before they prostitute themselves." WTF!!
Flory, we shall see.
If the Governator plays this hand strong enough he will guarantee reelection. The polls speak overwhelmingly for securing the borders.
Why couldn't Maher use the phrase
"male prostitute?"
what a sad, sad man. jeff gannon too.
Flat earth
flat tax
flat head
flatulance
they just go together.
Claims he was at t-ball games.
Uh huh.
Wink, wink.
Okay, let's get out the photos from t-ball games at the WH and see if guckert was at any of them.
"sorry. wiley peed on the USB port and then Gizmo clawed the lense.
Kitties will return in one month's time.
Atrios"
I knew it! Wiley really was ticked off about the pulled back ears last week. I thought his expression looked a bit mean. He got his revenge!
Martin Short: "You are a nice man, Bill. Not enough people say that. In fact, no one says that."
Of course, he loves the idea of a Man a Minute.
{{{Ding, ding}}}} The Friday winnah!!!
agave
I agree with you completely regarding a martini. By definition it must be gin and vermouth. If you leave out the vermouth, you're just swilling gin from a martini glass. If you replace the gin with vodka, then you are not having a martini, you are having a vodka martini -- a hybrid species of "with vermouth" drink.
Disclaimer: The above statement is in no way meant to cast aspersions on those who like to swill gin either from a martini glass or some other container. The gods know I've swilled a lot of gin straight up in my time.
Thanks for ignoring the cocksucking troll.
"this stupid Maher interview with our man Gannon is obscene."
& judging from comments apparently not in a good way
"Usually, the way it works, is people become reporters before they prostitute themselves."
I should note: Gannon said this, not Maher.
This moron, bullet head Gannon is such a jerk. What a fucking rip-off.. I watched this stupid program for THIS? Rip off. Angry.
ether:
If the Governator plays this hand strong enough he will guarantee reelection. The polls speak overwhelmingly for securing the borders.
Pete Wilson found out what happens when you piss of the latino vote.
NOT a good move.
gannon was having a tea bag game not a t-ball game
if dems don't vote for ahnold he won't get reelected
Now this Maryland weinie is defending black homophobia.
Back to the kitties.
Duncan. The cats won't know you aren't photographing them for a month. Nor will they care.
We, on the other hand, may jump through the internets and throw a major hissy fit.
I mean seriously... we gotta deal with this SS bullshit, and rethug bullshit, and delay, and more crap every day.
It's the least you can do to ease our pain.... give us a little pussy.
soooo was Gannon paid for that appearance?
Aren't T-ball games for children? I shudder to think of Jeff bringing his 8" bat to a t-ball game on the south lawn.
Zakaria...he cocksuka.
Troll, he BIG cocksuka!
"You're asking for tolerance for intolerance."
Dear Minute Man Project.
I thought I would drop you a line, informing you of a wonderful endorsement I have just seen. Your project is making a difference obviously. Jeff Guckert, Reporter, Male Prostitute and White House Shill has giving you glowing Kudos. Keep up the good work, when you can impress a man of such weighty credentials, you know you are doing something right.
Sincerely
A citizen who will not be joining your little boys club.
Does Michael Steele have freaky mutant earlobes?
Claims he was at t-ball games.
Where they don't have pitchers.
steve simels,
Only one I can think of off my head is "Come On", which the Stones did on...hell, one of their early albums. I'm pretty sure it's on the singles collection; if not that, then the second Hot Rocks collection definately. That's all I can think of off-hand, though.
"so you're asking for tolerance for intolerant people?" Yes, he was...
Okay, let's get out the photos from t-ball games at the WH and see if guckert was at any of them.
fourlegsgood
I'm pretty sure I don't wanna see Gannon's bat being swung around at balls placed on a pedestal.
bigvic:
This moron, bullet head Gannon is such a jerk. What a fucking rip-off.. I watched this stupid program for THIS? Rip off. Angry.
If it helps any, your sacrifice means those of us on the west coast don't have to bother staying up to watch.
Thanks.
Completely different positions between the Governator and Wilson.
Ahnold is simply saying he is for a secure border, that's hardly kicking the children of illegals out of school.
Are you for an open border?
flory ... How did Ahhhnald get Latino votes to begin with? Was everyone out there temporarily insane?
This Republican is not getting an easy ride, even from Maher.
"While hierarchies are being eroded and playing fields leveled as other countries and people rise in importance and ambition, are we conducting ourselves in a way that will succeed in this new atmosphere? Or will it turn out that, having globalized the world, the United States had forgotten to globalize itself?"
The answer is FUCKING YES YOU PIECE OF SHIT!
" If you leave out the vermouth, you're just swilling gin from a martini glass."
Nonsense. Vermouth is very strong, and all it needs to add to gin or vodka is a hint of its presence.
Granted, this is a taste thing but there is no need to overpower the drink anymore then it's necessary to put in 12 olives or put a half a cup of sugar in a cup of coffee.
soooo was Gannon paid for that appearance?
Would a true prostitute do anything gratis?
There is truth in Friedman's musings and Fareed's take on it. Check out this article on the BBC website.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south...sia/
4447833.stm
"You're asking for tolerance for intolerance."
That's exactly fucking right.
This Republican is not getting an easy ride, even from Maher.
He's fucking annoying me.
I wish I was there so I could bitch slap his evil ass.
Mr. Wu:
Tom Friedman?
t-ball games?
so he admits to stalking young boys?
WTF??
steele will supposedly be running for senate when sarbanes retires.
"Does Michael Steele have freaky mutant earlobes?"
Yes. And you know what they say about tall black men with freaky mutant earlobes...
...they become neo-con cocksukas
I'm having growing pains.
"You're asking for tolerance for intolerance."
I beleive the philosopher Jesus said something similar.
The Friday cat blogging has an important psychological function. It lets us deflate our week's pain over living in near-Gilead and it lets us extend a gentle tentacle towards someone else. Not having cat blogging will mean...bad things. Not threatening at all. Just saying.
I'm pretty sure I don't wanna see Gannon's bat being swung around at balls placed on a pedestal.
Well, me neither.
But it would be fun to demonstrate what a fucking liar he is.
Again.
Res:
Lost your e-mail address...
Got Judy is a Punk for you.
If it helps any, your sacrifice means those of us on the west coast don't have to bother staying up to watch.
Thanks.
flory
Thank your lucky stars you didn't waste an hour of your time over this non interview. Hoo, boy. I really hate Maher.
RIL:
How did Ahhhnald get Latino votes to begin with? Was everyone out there temporarily insane?
Very good question. Its the same phenomenon that got Jesse, the Body, elected. People vote for the character, not the person. Then they get to know the person. Career over. Ahnuld's polls are dropping faster than Chimpy's.
so who saw h2g2?
steve simels ... I'll email you straight up. Thanks!
steve simels,
Only one I can think of off my head is "Come On", which the Stones did
on...hell, one of their early albums. I'm pretty sure it's on the singles collection;
if not that, then the second Hot Rocks collection definately. That's all I can think
of off-hand, though.
Backslider --
thank you, that's the one I
couldn't come up with!!!!
4lg,
He's standard issue dumbass republican, with talking points and such. He seemed surprised that people disagreed.
nu thread, please
But it would be fun to demonstrate what a fucking liar he is
Unless of course "t-ball" is just a Gay Republican code word for ?
"You're asking for tolerance for intolerance." I beleive the philosopher Jesus said something similar."
Hey, isn't that Dubya's favorite philospher?
Now he's blathering about the election. Typical Maher fuckface shit. "You've got a problem when the biggest balls in your party belong to someone named Teresa."
Unless of course "t-ball" is just a Gay Republican code word for ?
sword fight!
Nonsense. Vermouth is very strong, and all it needs to add to gin or vodka is a hint of its presence.
Well, I didn't say you had to drown the damn drink in vermouth, only that some vermouth, even if it is just a "hint" (and what unit of measure is a "hint"?), must actually be poured, dripped, or even eyedroppered into the gin. If there's no vermouth to gin contact, you don't have a martini. And God help us all if the little martinis aren't born. What will the children drink?
I just posted the video of Jeff Gannon's appearance on 'Real Time'. Enjoy!
Jeff Gannon Video Link
Well, with the notable exception of Martin Short, every person on that show could have been drowned in a river of virulent feces and no one would care.
"Ahnuld's polls are dropping faster than Chimpy's."
Yes, but people will still vote for the steroid chump. Even if Bushes reelection was rigged, he still got way too many votes from regular folks.
Blink
Blink
Blink
Blink
Blink
Blink
Blink
Dame weed done dried out my eyes!
One hour! Two-fity!
Blink
Blink
Blink
How did Ahhhnald get Latino votes to begin with? Was everyone out there temporarily insane?
Temporarily? No...
"Hello, Jeffy? This is T-Ball, do ya think you could come up ta the oval office and play a few innin's tonight?"
Me go beddy-bye.
Nighty-night, Liberal elitists!
Excellent Maher tonight, IMO. Took the Dems to the shed for lacking unity and being pussies. "When the person in your party with the most balls is named Theresa, that's not good."
From your lips to Reid's ears, Bill.
g'night, Res!
It's a lovely evening for debate.
Cheers,
"how did ahnuld get elected in the first place?"
here's my theory, for what it's worth:
americans dislike politicians because they believe that politicians are dishonest. so they vote for politicians who lie and claim not to be politicians, because they think they are more honest.
Off track, but, did you all see Mark Shields tonight with that little punk from the Nat. Review? Shit, Shields kept looking over to the little creep like he was looking for approval or something, maybe like he was afraid of the little twirp. What a sickening display of cowardice.
You know why Maher's a dick? Because he doesn't actually believe in or know anything. He pretends taking one set of talking points, or the conventional wisdom of one sort or another, for actual thought. He just disagrees for the sake of making himself seem independent.
And never mind being fucking consistent. One week he'll attack Democrats for being too passionate about resisting Bush, and the next he'll make fun of them for never "fighting back."
Wanker.
Arne = Ted Smith
Ignore the cocksucker.
Well, I was going to bed and then the cat started making funny throaty noises. And I learn from the teen that he has been sluggish since yesterday, but fine the day before that. Not grooming himself. Should I take him to the vet tomorrow or wait until Monday to see if he gets better? He's not puking and he's not peeing all over the house or anything.
Arne, is the earth flat?
i picked the wrong century to stop smoking pot.
"Well, I didn't say you had to drown the damn drink in vermouth, only that some vermouth, even if it is just a "hint" (and what unit of measure is a "hint"?)'
Sorry, I thought you were endorsing Fageek's 'correctness' with the vermouth as cited in his article:
"And it was made with two parts gin, one part dry vermouth, half a part sweet vermouth"
Overkill, imo. But to each his own.
"Ahnuld's polls are dropping faster than Chimpy's."
Yes, but people will still vote for the steroid chump.
Not necessarily. He ran a twofold campaign - immigrant makes good and clean up the special interests in Sacramento.
Now he's pissing off the biggest immigrant group in the state and it turns out the 'special interests' he's determined to fight are teachers and nurses.
Those ARE the regular folks who voted for him.
I'm waiting for Maher to pull a Dennis Miller. He's given chilling signs that he can potentially do that.
"Well, I was going to bed and then the cat started making funny throaty noises. "
Oh that don't sound good. Go first thing in the morning. Don't wait.
maher is a fuckstick, though.
i'll never book that wanker.
Any theories about who was coaching Gigi from beyond the camera?
Maher's getting pretty damn hostile to his audience's spontaneous reactions to lefty statements. Really snippy. Jon Stewart does it in a much smoother, jovial way. Maher looks actually pissed at the audience.
i think martinis should be made from barley and hops and served in a pint glass.
And I learn from the teen that he has been sluggish since yesterday, but fine the day before that. Not grooming himself. Should I take him to the vet tomorrow or wait until Monday to see if he gets better?
No, that's normal behavior for a teen.
Is he coughing? How old is he? Is he hot? Is he eating and drinking?
americans dislike politicians because they believe that politicians are dishonest. so they vote for politicians who lie and claim not to be politicians, because they think they are more honest.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:17 am | #
Olaf,
Your approach to the topic is hardly rational. I dabbled in political science in college and nowhere did I come across a theory like yours. It's just blue collar rabble.
Cheers,
Alright, I've got the scoop:
I was sitting on the train today coming home from school, next to a lady reading a brochure or a pamphelet written in Chinese. But I noticed the address on it was in English- and it said it was from Focus on the Family - focf.org
That's right- $82K-to-David-Duke Focus on the Family is distributing propaganda to Chinese American chruches!
You heard it here first.
.
"And never mind being fucking consistent. One week he'll attack Democrats for being too passionate about resisting Bush, and the next he'll make fun of them for never "fighting back."
Yup. Typical ploy: heads I win, tails you lose. BM always struck me as a nadiroid.
Pez,
I noticed that! I said to Thers, "If he wants to interview people without an audience, he needs to tape it beforehand." But it's not bad for people like Steele and Gannon to be booed. Or for Martin Short to be cheered. It's public response, which we get too little of.
i think martinis should be made from barley and hops and served in a pint glass.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:22 am | #
They call that beer, my simpleton friend. Some prefer martinis while others beer. There IS a difference, don't you agree?
Cheers,
David Dukes is getting money for his faith based?
NYMary just put the head on the nail.
Cheers,
Is he coughing? How old is he? Is he hot? Is he eating and drinking?
magnolia
No.
Two.
No.
Drinking, yes. Eating, less than usual.
I thought you dabbled in psych in college? Hint: taking an elective doesn't normally count as 'dabbling'.
Nonsense. As is contention that a martini must be made with gin vs vodka.
Oh, fuck. off. I bet you shake them as well.
(Vermouth in a little atomiser. Spray the inside of the glass. One part vermouth, six parts gin.)
jdw
Sorry if I came across too strong. We probably pretty much agree. My favorite, which is more like your "hint" (I think I was distracted by the image of the sun shining through the vermouth bottle to strike the gin and impart its essence) is the old trick of pouring a splash of vermouth over the ice in the shaker and then draining most of it off before adding the gin for the final shake. Very dry, but the gin and vermouth (albeit in very limited quantities) do commingle.
Maher looks actually pissed at the audience.
Pez | 04.30.05 - 12:21 am | #
He is trying to counter the echo chamber effect. I'm glad to see it. Our ideas are stronger. There is no reason to fear an equal playing field.
My inner Freud says Bill has issues, but I do like what he is doing with his show.
Was Gannon wearing three month old disposable contact lenses or what.
Blink.
Blink
Two fity! Cocksucka!
And so on.
Once again, I cite John Stuart Mill. Thoughtful of our troll to illustrate by missing wit, I think.
I'm off to bed. Goodnight, fellow moonbats!
"your response to the topic is hardly rational."
-ted smith
that's sort of the point, ted. thanks for the heads up on the whole beer/martini thing though.
You heard it here first.
.
Swan | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:24 am | #
Swan,
That's hardly a credible source.
Cheers,
Maher is a lot like Dennis Miller- in fact I remember a really pretentious article he wrote somewhere (Playboy? I forget...)ten years ago about how he'd like to be a liberal, but times required a grownup, Republican approach.
He'd like to be a libertarian but right now he's more scared of the fundis here than the fundis abroad (& Miller is the reverse).
He can't be trusted.
I dabbled in political science in college and nowhere did I come across a theory like yours.
Well hell, Olaf - he 'dabbled' and therefore knows all.
I guess he put you in your place!!!
that's sort of the point, ted. thanks for the heads up on the whole beer/martini thing though.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:28 am | #
It was a pleasure to explain it to you. I do have patience sometimes.
Cheers,
Better sleep with him tonight and decide in the morning. That'll be $85.00. Cash or plastic?
I guess he put you in your place!!!
flory | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:28 am | #
I appreciate the compliment flory.
Cheers,
"My inner Freud"
My spell checker came up with that one. I just drank to much vodka to correct it.
David Duke got paid like $82 K for his old mailing list from this buddy o' Frist's, this guy who runs Focus On The Family.
Perkins is his name, correct?
That mailing list has to be pretty extensive, if Perkins could only talk him down to $82,000.
Sorry if I came across too strong. We probably pretty much agree. My favorite, which is more like your "hint" (I think I was distracted by the image of the sun shining through the vermouth bottle to strike the gin and impart its essence) is the old trick of pouring a splash of vermouth over the ice in the shaker and then draining most of it off before adding the gin for the final shake. Very dry, but the gin and vermouth (albeit in very limited quantities) do commingle.
Toonscribe | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:27 am | #
Well Toonscribe, at least you're not an imbecile enough to belive that barley and hops are in martinis, like Olaf.
Cheers,
Arne don't do irony, do he?
Better sleep with him tonight and decide in the morning. That'll be $85.00. Cash or plastic?
magnolia
How about I buy you a drink at EschaCon? Thanks. I'm off to take care of him. See you guys tomorrow.
come on, ted. you can do better than that.
Arne don't do irony, do he?
And I thought "raise" and "raze" were the only homonyms that were also antonyms...
Where's Sallyh?
I just saw an ad for "Man-Thing" on the Sci Fi channel Saturday night. Who knew the Sci Fi channel would do an Ann Coulter bio-pic?
Night, Moonbats.
That entire Maher situation was a bust.
Peace out.
I hope he's okay, TJ. Like a frog in the throat or something. Possibly literally.
Arne don't do irony, do he?
flory | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:31 am | #
No. Rather I am a straight forward person. Is that aproblem for you flory?
Cheers,
Nightcha, vicula!
Overkill, imo. But to each his own.
jdw
Martini recipe:
1. Have a friend drive you to the liquor store for Bombay Sapphire, dry vermouth and olives.
2. Have friend drop you off with gin and olives.
3. Shake gin with cracked ice.
4. Have friend drive past house with vermouth, and then deposit bottle in nearest receptacle.
5. Pour gin into two martini glasses, two olives each.
6. Greet friend with fresh drink at the door once they've found parking.
White supremacists are running for school board positions, and state legislatures. It's scarry. I've been posting locally to warn the voters.
Night vic.
G'night bigvic.
Be well.
White supremacists are running for school board positions, and state legislatures. It's scarry. I've been posting locally to warn the voters.
magnolia | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:35 am | #
Magnolia,
Your efforts are wasted. Let them fall apart on their own merits.
Cheers,
Mr. Wu:
Tom Friedman?
flory
Ah, Tom Friedman...mustache tickle when he cocksuka...feed Tom Friedman to pigs
And I thought "raise" and "raze" were the only homonyms that were also antonyms...
Eschaton trolls - advancing the English language one idiot at a time.
careful not to get arnes rocks off- it thrives on subverting the thread- if it needs to speak, ask it about its gay teenage brad pitt posts... why?
Where's Sallyh?
I just saw an ad for "Man-Thing" on the Sci Fi channel Saturday night. Who knew the Sci Fi channel would do an Ann Coulter bio-pic?
Toonscribe | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:34 am | #
Odd, you see an add for man-thing and you think of SallyH. How insulting. I've seen her pics, she's portly and a bit homely, but your analogy just goes too far.
Cheers,
am i the only one who has seen the hitchiker movie, btw?
Arne is like God. So wise.
My inner Freud says Bill has issues, but I do like what he is doing with his show.
John Gillnitz
Oh come on, John! He completely gave Guckert a pass. No puns, but it was damn close to a puff piece. T-ball ? Who gives a shit about T-ball? Why did Guckert have access to the Plame documents? Why was Talon News whooly owned by a big money GOP donor? Maher let Guckert repeatedly refer to himself as a journalist. It's that kind of crap that has eroded any value at all in the fourth estate.
Maher's going over. He had Dennis Miller on last year and told Dennis "If I had your money, I'd throw mine away!" I'm not looking for a complete progressive agenda from Maher, but he's bought and paid for.
careful not to get arnes rocks off- it thrives on subverting the thread- if it needs to speak, ask it about its gay teenage brad pitt posts... why?
Trollminder | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:38 am | #
You do realize that I could sue you for libel? I studied law and am well aware of my rights. Are you?
Cheers,
Olaf:
How was it?
Arne is like God. So wise.
magnolia | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:40 am | #
Thank you Magnolia.
Cheers,
No. Rather I am a straight forward person.
Well, except for the name-stealing of a liberal blogger thing. Other than that...
(Or is the real Arne here tonight--if so, somebody's been using your name like JimmyJeff uses the free condom jar at the meat market.)
And here is Matt Taibbi on Friedman - not only funnier but cuts to the chase of Friedman's inanities:
http://www.nypress.com/
print.cfm...ontent_id=12841. You posted it earlier atrios but given this Zakaria atrocity ...
I like to smell my own poo
flory, it was pretty good. but there is some stuff in it that i don't remember from the book. i read it years and years ago and i'm not sure if they put new stuff in or if i forgot it. but it's worth seeing.
Okay- we'll take Friedman, but Langsetmo you have to send to the landfill- we pigs have our limits.
Ugh... Alright, well this thread is not looking so hot + I'm just stopping in at a computer lab w/ my bro here, anyway, so I don't think I'm going to hang out... Just wanted to mention my little experience today...
be well, all
Arrividerci
.
.
Ok - on all future threads I'm running a pool on how many posts it takes before the troll scares us with his legal training.
500 quatloo minimum.
remember whenever you engage arne that it trolls TEEN AGE BOY chat rooms and said it looked like brad pitt, now it critiques SallyH and hates Tena, Vickie, & pie... very interesting and VERY revealing
Agree with article. Wet martini's are delicious! I cried when I read this because I thought no one else liked them. I also put Triple Sec in margarita's and they are perfect. I heart (whatever the hell the writer of the article is). He's no snob, he knows what he likes.
am i the only one who has seen the hitchiker movie, btw?
Olaf glad and big
Getting a sitter next weekend. Don't give away the ending!
I think you'd have a hard time proving a case for libel via comments from an internet message board. Didn't do Donald Luskin any good, anyway.
You do realize that I could sue you for libel? I studied law and am well aware of my rights. Are you?
Lighten up Francis.
And before anyone asks, yes I am a psychiatrist.
olaf,
Is it worth the trouble or should I just wait until the DVD comes out?
"you do realize that i could sue you for libel?"
-ted smith
yeah, but could you win? i think not.
Helga Fremlin,
This Matt Taibbi line was TF in a nutshell:
"Friedman never forgets to name the company or the brand name; if he had written The Metamorphosis, Gregor Samsa would have awoken from uneasy dreams in a Sealy Posturepedic"
i'm recommending it, backslider. i was kind of apprehensive about it, but it really is pretty good.
Please send me a writ, Ted Smith, you goat-fucking philanderer. I shall frame it on my dartboard.
olaf,
Cool. I figure it'll be like the Fear & Loathing movie. Good enough for jazz long as I don't set myself up for too much (it is Hollywood and a movie, after all) and get good and cross-eyed beforehand.
yeah, but could you win? i think not.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:48 am | #
This coming from the retard that struggles to distinguish the difference between a beer and a martini.
Cheers,
And before anyone asks, yes I am a psychiatrist.
Eli
I studied under a professor who personally pulled stumps from Heidegger's front lawn!
Arne is a clam blogger. Don't be mean to him.
I studied under a professor who personally pulled stumps from Heidegger's front lawn!
It was just the one stump in his, ah, "front lawn".
Please send me a writ, Ted Smith, you goat-fucking philanderer. I shall frame it on my dartboard.
pseudonymous in nc | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:50 am | #
You can hide behind a keyboard, but not the confines of the law. Consider yourself warned redneck.
Cheers,
Maher always was and always will be about Maher. A whore of the first order. Consider: Mann Coulter is a friend and you know all you need to about him.
This coming from the retard that struggles to distinguish the difference between a lonely 50 year old man and a TEEN AGE BOY
pathetic- give me your ex-wife's phone number, maybe we can help?
Arne wants you to go to his for real blog. He's just a blog whore.
You know you spend too much time with computers when you just realized your beer is release 20 of DOS.
Consider yourself warned redneck.
Cheers,
Arne Langsetmo
Oh damn! I wanted to be the warned redneck on this thread.
I think you'd have a hard time proving a case for libel via comments from an internet message board. Didn't do Donald Luskin any good, anyway.
Backslider | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:45 am | #
You're clearly ignorant of the new field of internet law. Every post here leaves an electronic trail and I can hold anyone of you responsible for what you say. You think about that the next time you type, huh backlsider.
Cheers,
Olaf:
there is some stuff in it that i don't remember from the book.
The reviews I've heard/read all say the movie is more true to the spirit of the book than to the details.
ekcentric, ted smith can help you out if you are having trouble distinguishing beetween beer and other things. he did me a world of good. and before you ask, yes, he did dabble in political science in college.
Consider yourself warned redneck.
LOL. You ignorant slut. Even the goats think you're a needledick gobshite, Ted.
Arne is a bleeding heart liberal. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa!
his coming from the retard that struggles to distinguish the difference between a beer and a martini.
Arne - For anyone with an ounce of sense it was clear that Olaf's statement was deliberately facisious. If you didn't get that you're an idiot. If you did, you're a jerk. Which is it Francis?
it is true to the spirit, flory. and the casting was right on. zaphod is great.
What, no cats?
ekcentric, ted smith can help you out if you are having trouble distinguishing beetween beer and other things.
I can't distinguish between beer and kibble. Does he make house calls?
Ted Smith was actually the real life model for the fat, stupid dad in 'Family Guy'. They couldn't include his goat fetish on basic cable though.
For anyone familiar with the Chicago Tribune, Matt Taibbi's takedown of Tom Friedman makes him look like Bob Greene (before the whole statutory rape/resigning in disgrace thing).
OT: Just Bit-Torrented most of the new Beck--I'll be buying it this weekend. Totally rocks.
zaphod actually reminded me of shrub in a lot of ways.
Arne wants you to go to his for real blog. He's just a blog whore.
magnolia | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:55 am | #
The content may be a bit over your head, Magnolia. You're welcome to peruse though, but if you choose to comment, try to be intelligent or thoughtful. I find nothing more frustrating than wasting bandwidth on grade school comments.
Cheers,
Toonscribe-I'll be happily watching SciFi tomorrow night with my brother in law. We appreciate the quality
Olaf, let us just ignore mr. arne/ted/gordo/toby or whoever he is. He is not worth the labor. Watching him toss the law card out there just reminds me of the old days and fights people started for the hell of it. AOL PCLink IRC PeopleLink, it was all the same. Worthless.
Besides, on to more relevant matters, do they still make a Tres Equis?
zaphod actually reminded me of shrub in a lot of ways.
NYT reviewer said Rockwell was "riffing" on Bush & Elvis.
Hi, sallyh:
What, no cats?
The kitties were bad today. Led to 'puter damage.
They're being punished so we're to be left kitty-less for the next month.
tres equis, was that the dos equis dark? i haven't seen it around, but i haven't looked for it.
zaphod actually reminded me of shrub in a lot of ways.
The bit I heard on the radio, his speaking manner was dead-on shrub.
Flory--oh great. The kitties cause damage, so Atrios punishes us?
He's applying that good old Republican logic...
"I find nothing more frustrating than wasting bandwith on grade school comments"
Why do you post here then?
You're clearly ignorant of the new field of internet law.
eddie are you familiar with the provisions against trolling TEENAGE BOY chat rooms?
well, I see trolls abound. There are some people who just like to poke sticks in shit just to see the flies rise.
Who knows why.
Nothing else better to do, I suppose.
flory,
likely story, I think they held a revolt. The cats are political prisoners in a kennel in gitmo. Duncan is oppressing his cats.
Been busy downloading songs
illegally....
well, technically. I don't think
the Feds will prosecute.
Anyway, did I miss anything cool?
he does a lot of the shrubby face things too, flory.
No, I don't think libel laws work like that, and I don't think there's really such a thing as "internet law" in this context. To prove libel, no matter where it's done, you have to prove it damages one's character and reputation and, most importantly, money-making ability. Long and short, anyway, and none of that really applies.
And besides, I don't answer to anyone about what I say. I just say what I think is best to say.
LOL. You ignorant slut. Even the goats think you're a needledick gobshite, Ted.
pseudonymous in nc | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:57 am | #
You seem to know a lot about goats. It's that what you do in Dixie land? Fornicate goats?
Cheers,
zaphod actually reminded me of shrub in a lot of ways.
They do both have auxiliary heads...
Sallyh
"Quality" is one word for it.....
sallyh - Small recompense, but see my post at 11:30.
I find nothing more frustrating than wasting bandwidth on grade school comments.
Ummm...yeah. We noticed.
Oh shit, there's that irony thingy again.
So Rep Wu decides to fix his unpopularity for voting for the bankruptcy bill by attacking our wonderful Governor Ted Kulongowski.
Both dems. but Wu criticizes a deal Gov. Ted is making with the warm springs tribes for a casino in Cascade Locks, which is in the Columbia Gorge. This is not Wu's district but he is going to butt in anyway and sic Gale Norton on the deal, so he can get more money from his biggest contributing Casino Tribe, the Grand Ronde.
He is coming up for re-election and Grand Ronde doesn't want the competition, so he attacks our Governor. What a dick.
Olaf, that was my memory of it. I haven't had one since oh maybe 76-77. Well chilled it was perfect with Tex-mex.
Feral--awww, what a cutie pie!
And besides, I don't answer to anyone about what I say. I just say what I think is best to say.
Backslider | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:04 am | #
You seem to be backpedaling now backslider. It's obvious, you ignorant goat slut (nc term), that you know nothing about either topics. I have some homework for you. Google internet law and libel and come back to the plate when you know your head from your ass (nc term).
Cheers,
Oh, and our Governor is working with Portlands Mayor to buy PGE from Enron for the city. I love Portland.
yeah, ekcentrik. i have always thought that dos equis makes pretty good martinis.
Hiya, SD! Have you seen this?
Don't know much about it, but that's a hell of a price, might be worth checking out some reviews.
olaf,
More than one reviewer I've read has commented on the dim-witted-but-likeable-and-more-or-less-
completely
-without-any-real-power aspect of Zaphod and how it was, well...familiar.
sallyh:
Flory--oh great. The kitties cause damage, so Atrios punishes us?
He's applying that good old Republican logic...
Exactly what 4lg said, upthread.
Ek:
The cats are political prisoners in a kennel in gitmo. Duncan is oppressing his cats.
I think you're right. Yet more proof of latent Republican leanings in our Dr. Black.
steve s: you may be in trouble. Mr Langstremo is a legal eagle and may well not appreciate the irony and humor of your recent post. It may be in your best interest to seek legal counsel.
The alternative? Well, maybe you could ask him to return one of those movies...
magnolia, Wu is for certain a dick. Not real bright, either. I have no idea how he ever got elected in the first place.
SD
Every post here leaves an electronic trail and I can hold anyone of you responsible for what you say. You think about that the next time you type, huh backlsider.
Cheers,
Arne Langsetmo
He, heh, he said responsible.
That's so last century.
Nothing else better to do, I suppose.
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:04 am | #
Well add to the discussion rather than just whine you ignorant goat slut (nc term).
Cheers,
yeh, zaphod is a much cooler and self-aware version of Bush.
rockwell is a motherfucker of an actor. hats off.
I grow hops, soak them in vermouth, and then suck on them.
magnolia, Wu is for certain a dick. Not real bright, either. I have no idea how he ever got elected in the first place.
Jeez, I thought it was some weird Deadwood analogy...
Have a pleasant evening, batses--I'd stick around but this is my sister in law's computer, and I don't think she'd appreciate Arne's shit stench all over it.
Hmm was looking about...
There is an amber and a special dark lager. I have been enjoying the latter this week. I wonder if the dark was named the tres equis at one time. I have a friend at work who remembers it as well. I may do a little onsite research tomorrow.
steve s: you may be in trouble. Mr Langstremo is a legal eagle and may well not appreciate the irony and humor of your recent post. It may be in your best interest to seek legal counsel.
The alternative? Well, maybe you could ask him to return one of those movies...
nick carrawaaaaay | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:09 am | #
You misspelled my name, bufoon. I abhor incompetence.
Cheers,
magnolia, Wu is for certain a dick.
Wait - are we saying Mr. Wu cocksucka?
How am I backpeddling? I don't remember ever writing anything to the contrary. I admit to being no expert in internet law or libel (the latter beyond my journalism classes on the subject), but I'm still pretty sure to prove libel - which is pretty difficult in the U.S. - one has to prove damages. Who is being damaged here?
And why be so rude? Have I been rude to you?
Every post here leaves an electronic trail and I can hold anyone of you responsible for what you say. You think about that the next time you type, huh backlsider.
Cheers,clam blogger
I told you he was God. Just like the akashic records
Cheers,
Arne Langsetmo | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:07 am | #
Wow -- you really are a waste of
space amoral prick, aren't you?
Plus a putz that's been here before
under a variety of different names?
Run away.!!!!
Feral--awww, what a cutie pie!
Pippin thanks you, sallyh.
So does referring to one of my previous posts make me a postwhore?
'Night, Sallyh.
You're clearly ignorant of the new field of internet law. Every post here leaves an electronic trail and I can hold anyone of you responsible for what you say. You think about that the next time you type, huh backlsider.
Cheers,
Arne Langsetmo
Yeah, who's gonna give you the trail? Atrios? Blogger? Hotmail? Then are you going to sue the ISP to get the records? I don't THINK so.
Hear ye, hear ye! Arne Langsetmo guzzles baby batter by the bucketful. His favorite snack is the Tennessee toothpick and, due to his chemically disfigured member (from accidentally using paint stripper for a masturbation lube), his mother calls him Ol' Leather Dick.
Come get me, big boy!
night sallyh.
be sure you use the antibacterial cleanser.
eli - thanks!! I'll check it out (I seem to have 64 hrs to do so). Never ever have done an ebay. Always scared me. Still does. I'm such a fogie.
Have a pleasant evening, batses--I'd stick around but this is my sister in law's computer, and I don't think she'd appreciate Arne's shit stench all over it.
sallyh | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:12 am | #
You mean your sister with the lazy eye? Or is that you? No wait, you're the portly one with the thinning hair right?
Criticism is a two way street. Look in the mirror, fatty.
Cheers,
Anyway, did I miss anything cool?
nah, eddie haskells back and he may still troll TEENAGE BOY websites saying he looks like brad pitt... but he won't say why. he needs to study internet law on this subject.
"who is being damaged here?"
-backslider
i haven't seen any comments about ted that caused me to think any less of him than i already did anyway.
"buffoon" is the correct spelling...
typos don't faze me a bit...even if I make them.
Every post here leaves an electronic trail and I can hold anyone of you responsible for what you say.
Dude. I'll even post my IP for you.
192.168.0.1
Go at it.
Yeah, who's gonna give you the trail? Atrios? Blogger? Hotmail? Then are you going to sue the ISP to get the records? I don't THINK so.
Hear ye, hear ye! Arne Langsetmo guzzles baby batter by the bucketful. His favorite snack is the Tennessee toothpick and, due to his chemically disfigured member (from accidentally using paint stripper for a masturbation lube), his mother calls him Ol' Leather Dick.
Come get me, big boy!
joycamp, Quiet Dominator | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:13 am | #
Suit yourself, all I do is turn in the time and date and the server will be accessed by the authorities.
Cheers,
I think Ted Smith is drunk.
Wait - are we saying Mr. Wu cocksucka?
flory
flory...(groannnnnnnnnnn)
He is, IMHO, an opportunistic, insincere, not especially bright...well, the only word that comes to mind, here, is...fuck. As in the nominative case.
You're clearly ignorant of the new field of internet law. Every post here leaves an electronic trail and I can hold anyone of you responsible for what you say. You think about that the next time you type, huh backlsider.
Cheers,
Arne Langsetmo
--
Yeah, well fuck your ass.
You know Arne, I have been thinking that you may just need a bit of understanding. So, I offer this to you. If it applies, well then you have moved one step farther forward in life. If not, well disregard. I just thought it was relevant to you.
"Condyloma acuminatum is one of the most common sexually transmitted disease (STD) in the United States. Young adults aged 17 to 33 years are at greatest risk. Risk factors include smoking, using oral contraceptives, having multiple sexual partners, and an early coital age. In addition, individuals who have a history of immunosuppression or anal intercourse are also at risk.
Roughly 90% of all anal warts are caused by the human papilloma virus (HPV) types 6 and 11, which are the least likely of over 60 types of HPV to become cancerous. Anal warts are usually transmitted through direct sexual contact with someone who is infected with condyloma acuminata anywhere in the genital area, including the penis and vagina. Studies have shown that roughly 75% of those who engage in sexual contact with someone infected with condyloma acuminata will develop these warts within three months."
Suit yourself, all I do is turn in the time and date and the server will be accessed by the authorities.
Well let me get you started by calling right here right now for a Communist takeover of the United States government.
So which is it Francis, are you an idiot or a jerk?
And why be so rude? Have I been rude to you?
Backslider | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:13 am | #
Piss off, mate. I don't care for your condescending attitude.
Cheers,
arne 647-702-0198
Uh, oh. He called sallyh a mean name. Does that mean he's liable for libel under those internets laws?
So which is it Francis, are you an idiot or a jerk?
FeralLiberal | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:19 am | #
Is your mother's name Francis?
Cheers,
its name stealing and arguing with itself- textbook... eddie call mom
Uh, oh. He called sallyh a mean name. Does that mean he's liable for libel under those internets laws?
For some reason Ted does this act every Friday, threatens to tell his friends at haloscan to have us all banned.
It's one of two things:
1.) Ted is a daisy chain troll and the guy they use on Friday nights likes this routine.
2.) Ted isn't geting laid so he feels a special need to feel potent and important on a Friday night.
"is your mother's name francis?"
-ted smith
good one
please call me day or nite 647-702-0198
Flory-
I wasn't paying attention to Wu during the primaries but his republican opponent, Goli Ameri, an "iranian" woman seemed to be a real right winger.
Politics is hard for me to stomach with all the money and deals, but
it can provide us onlookers with full time "entertainment" these days
Wow, it really stinks like shit in here. Another Friday night on the Eschaton threads...
Sorry, SD 
But y'know those low hanging curveballs...
arne 647-702-0198
Go ahead and call. I have caller id and will track not only your name but your number. Harrassment charges are easily filed. I dare you.
Cheers,
my name is gordon and I am lonely call me love me please???????????
Stop it arne or I'm going to cut and paste all the droll things you say on your blog.
Be nice
Piss off, mate. I don't care for your condescending attitude.
Well, I can't help it if you find me condescending. That's your problem, not mine. I was just trying to be helpful, that's all. I really don't think you're actually in here for debate, as you stated earlier. But hey...however you get your jollies.
And I have done some googling, and I still don't think one can sue someone for libel because of what's said on a message board/chat room/email list/what have you unless it causes some sort of tangible damage (and even then, it appears to be a tricky thing). Then, of course, you've got the whole public versus private citizen thing, but I doubt that applies here. I'd be curious if there really was any basis in your claim, but I've yet to find anything. Do you have a specific case in mind where one nobody successfully sued another nobody for libel in a chatoom or comments board? When someone threatens me with legal action, I do like to be prepared.
My kids are going to be sewing Nikes for a living.
sunzoo
Fake Nikes. They're going to be the only kind anyone can afford.
What??? Who calling Mr. Wu cocksuka? I FEED YOU TO PIGS!!!
arne 647-702-0198
Go ahead and call. I have caller id and will track not only your name but your number. Harrassment charges are easily filed. I dare you.
ok.
you told me to.
Fake Nikes. They're going to be the only kind anyone can afford.
Most fake Nikes are made in the same factories, just after hours.
the genital area, including the penis and vagina. Studies have shown that roughly 75% of those who engage in sexual contact with someone infected with condyloma acuminata will develop these warts within three months."
EkCentriK | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:18 am | #
I want to thank you for sharing that personal experience.
Cheers,
Tell me something, Arne, o' ye of the fabulous legal education? Is it possible to libel someone who is posting under a fake name? We may "libel" your pseudonym, but in doing so, have we actually libelled you? How have we harmed who you really are if we and no one who reads this blog know who you are? We have, in essence, libelled a fictitious character that you have created, dipshit. Why don't you go pull your pud into your other hankie so they match?
SWR:
Or, combining (1) and (2):
"Ted is an (im)potent daisy that isn't getting laid."
yeah cum on call bitches 647-702-0198 cum and get me tough guys
I think the world would be a better place if Tom Friedman had his job outsourced...
Yeah, the come backs do sound a lot like Gordo now.
anre, why does your number answer "visa or mastercard?"?
must be a wrong number..
Stop it arne or I'm going to cut and paste all the droll things you say on your blog.
Be nice
magnolia | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:24 am | #
Droll? My blog is well thought and well writ. Do you have a blog magnolia? I'd actually rather not have your type at my blog anyhow.
Cheers,
Just curious. If I were posting on haloscan as "fartblossom" and somebody said something like "fartblossom is a communist" or "fartblossom is a pedophile islamofascist enabling tool" would I be able to sue that person for damaging the reputation of the name "fartblossom"?
647 is a Toronto area code,..
Tell me something, Arne, o' ye of the fabulous legal education? Is it possible to libel someone who is posting under a fake name? We may "libel" your pseudonym, but in doing so, have we actually libelled you? How have we harmed who you really are if we and no one who reads this blog know who you are? We have, in essence, libelled a fictitious character that you have created, dipshit. Why don't you go pull your pud into your other hankie so they match?
Toonscribe | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:27 am | #
That'll be for the authorities to decide.
Cheers!
Harrassment charges are easily filed. I dare you.
aren't you a responsibility guy, why not take matters into your own cum wet hands and be a man? oh yeah right the frivolous lawsuit thing... eddie go out meet a girl, you know hope floats
Oh well I guess I got put into my place. I will have to hide my shame.
Nah.
Meanwhile, lets get back to the conspiracy theory. I am trying to figure how the moose figure in with the cows and the morning doves and the squirrels. I think I missed one in there.
But lets talk about Skunks and how they can act like enforcers. I saw one running down the street the other night. I was trying to figure who his victim might have been. The scent of fear was in the air. Well it wasn't fear, but it was a definite scent.
bad example, swr. i'm pretty sure that fartbloosom actually is a communist and a pedophile islamofascist enabling tool.
What??? Who calling Mr. Wu cocksuka? I FEED YOU TO PIGS!!!
No, no...Mr Wu. Joke. Different Wu altogether.
No cocksucka at Eschaton.
Well, except for ArnTed.
Just curious. If I were posting on haloscan as "fartblossom" and somebody said something like "fartblossom is a communist" or "fartblossom is a pedophile islamofascist enabling tool" would I be able to sue that person for damaging the reputation of the name "fartblossom"?
SWR | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:29 am | #
Yes, so long as people know that you are fartblossom and you endure some sort of emotional or financial strain.
Cheers,
AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!
Rummy is giving the farewell address for Wolfie on cspan now.
Fucking sickening.
The motherfucker has been wrong about virtually everything........and he gets fucking promoted.
What the fuck is wrong with our country?
gordon is way more powergful than you bitches cum tell me to my face at 647-702-0198 you balless cock suckers
192.168.0.1
Go at it.
SWR
Hee hee!
Suit yourself, all I do is turn in the time and date and the server will be accessed by the authorities.
Cheers,
Arne Langsetmo
The authorities: "Now who posted what on the what when?"
gosh. i had no idea we were inflicting emotional strain on ted. we should stop forcing him to come here.
Yes, so long as people know that you are fartblossom and you endure some sort of emotional or financial strain.
Your honor. On the morning of Saturday, April 30th, 2005, the defendent, Backslider, did knowingly post the following:
Fartblossom. You stink.
What the fuck is wrong with our country?
Ted Smith.
Hmmm
What is strange about a 192.168.. address?
Arne, you don't want my type at your blog. I thought I type just fine.
so long as people know that you are fartblossom
Yeah, that's kinda the point, fartblossom.
fartblossom had a brain fart
Most fake Nikes are made in the same factories, just after hours.
pseudonymous in nc
That's certainly efficient. As Nike's customers get poorer and they have to decrease production the factories can shift over to making more fakes.
Arne, you don't want my type at your blog. I thought I type just fine.
magnolia | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:35 am | #
Your commentary at my blog is not welcome. Is that clear enough for you, Magnolia?
Cheers,
hey arne did ypu ever get any nibbles on theTEENAGE BOY website with that "i look like brad pitt thing" ?
No, no...Mr Wu. Joke. Different Wu altogether.
Ah...other Mr. Wu.
He kind of a cocksucka.
Ah, the magic of the marketplace. Brings a tear to your eye, don't it?
SWR,
And the beauty of it is, number one, I'd never say such a thing (not to anyone I didn't like, anyway), so it'd get laughed out of court. Number two, it's such a minor, petty little thing, the judge would probably throw something heavy at the plaintiff. I bet this guy's lawyer hates seeing him coming up the walk.
So why is Ted namestealing Arne, of all people? Seems like a really weird choice.
i've met lots of people who are always saying they are going to sue someone for this or that. none of them ever sue anyone.
Well then I guess I'll have to go read your blog and tell all my friends and you will be so popular and so angry at me.
The "invisible iron fist", I believe the econmists call it.
It really smells like a corn-ridden turd in here. Stop giving it Troll Chow
Arne why don't you fuck with me for I am the Gordon the one the only and you are my bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gay teenage brad pitt posts.
agent baiamonte likes young boys? or just prefers brad pitt types? Ted, fess up and give us the whole story. it's on the Internets, right?
the things you learn late night on these threads.
Sorry...I meant to say "Gordon," not Ted.
What a lunatic Gordon is. Did Arne hurt your widdle feelings by being several thousand times smarter and more interesting than you? Poor rabbit.
you would think the courts have more important things to do with their time
No, Arne. I don't think it's up to the authorities. I think it's up to you and your lawyer. I believe libel is a civil matter, not a criminal matter. They don't send the cops out to arrest people for libel.
Well then I guess I'll have to go read your blog and tell all my friends and you will be so popular and so angry at me.
magnolia | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:39 am | #
I've made it perfectly clear that you are not welcome to visit or comment at my blog. This thread acts as a vice to document my wishes. challenge them and you can face legal prosecution. Now, do you have anything else to say?
Cheers,
nick, even if the courts didn't have better things to do with their time, the lawyers do. nobody is going to take ted's silly libel suit.
It must be You Francis, you answered. So which is it, are you an idiot or a jerk?
you would think the courts have more important things to do with their time
Well, destroying religion and making everyone marry gay men gets tedious after a while. I'm sure those petty, minor lawsuits issued by the thin-skinned among us for insults in a chatroom go over like a treat in the Judges' Lounge, or wherever it is they go to laugh at people.
Completely ignoring it is the only solution.
Any acknowledgement that it exists feeds it.
Any questions?
Push-Button Publishing
Arne Langsetmo
Gender: male
Industry: Telecommunications
Occupation: Engineer
Location: Milpitas : California : United States
Do you believe that forks are evolved from spoons?
No. But sporks are sterile.
Interests
My girlfriend Kris SCUBA photography bicycles skiing politics law science kayaking
Favorite Movies
Paths of Glory Red Violin John Sayles Man Facing Southeast Lars von Trier Coen brothers The Last Wave Being There Dr. Strangelove Walkabout
Favorite Music
folk acoustic Celtic classical
Favorite Books
Gideon's Trumpet The Making of the Atomic Bomb A Man For All Seasons Disturbing the Universe Uncle Shelby's ABZs Make No Law
This dude is really scarry
Now, do you have anything else to say?
Yeah. Everyone knows it's you. And Arne, when alerted to the fact that you were stealing his name, seemed to feel more sorry for you than anything else.
Have fun relieving these magic moments on your deathbed, loser.
And to the rest of you, good night!
you would think the courts have more important things to do with their time
Yeah, I was thinking we must be at terror level 'whiter than white' if the 'authorities' have nothin' better to do than go chasing after the IP addresses of people who are mean to Eschaton trolls.
agent baiamonte likes young boys? or just prefers brad pitt types?
it seems teddy tries to lure TEENAGE BOYS to chat by saying he looks like brad pitt... the surrrounding verbage is clearly homoerotic, and thats great but why would teddy hunger after it especially on the heels of his divorce?
I don't think you can sue someone for reading a blog (or a webpage or what have you) that's made otherwise availible to the general public. I'm not even sure how that'd work. It's like suing someone because they read a poster you put up in the town square. I think you're just being silly, frankly.
nobody is going to take ted's silly libel suit.
but in the court of public opinion that is young gay boys with webcams Ted's legal ploy's will be seen as a blow for Freedom ™ in the War Against Dabbles and Drips and Drabs ©
I played a big band jazz chart called "Mr. Wu's Fabulous Pig" in the early 90's, is this the reference?
Phila, I loved your dark green piece. I shared it with my biodiesel upstart dudes in Astoria.
legal pro secution thats rich whore
olaf, I assumed since "Arne" had "dabbled" in the law, he would represent himself in court.
Seems like there is an old saying about that kind of thing...
were watching arne.............the botherhood
Phila, I loved your dark green piece. I shared it with my biodiesel upstart dudes in Astoria.
magnolia
Thanks! It seemed to kind of depress most folks, so I'm glad someone got a laugh out of it...
I shared it with my biodiesel upstart dudes in Astoria.
Good old Astoria! Puts me in mind of the Five-Star Pakistani Diner in LIC...those were the days.
There needs to be a name for this pyschopathology.
Remember when Gordo claimed to have been in Iraq and got caught in a big fucking lie?
Closest that little prick has been to the Middle East is the fucking Ohio Valley.
Oh, good, Eddie's back.
And people respond to him why???
Sleep well friends.
There needs to be a name for this pyschopathology.
I always thought dickweed covered it rather nicely.
I don't think you can sue someone for reading a blog (or a webpage or what have you) that's made otherwise availible to the general public.
Thersites sued me for posting on one of his closed threads. He won, too...the judge awarded him a half-eaten pack of Ricola cough drops that had been under the seat of my car for a couple months. Honey lemon.
masochism
There needs to be a name for this pyschopathology.
smithopherinia?
Don't feed 'em and they starve to death. That's their culture.
And President Stupid's wired moment, isolated, is up at Crooks and Liars. How handy!
g'night m'bats.
Ba'al must retire to his mysteries.
Oh, and Truth Patrol, if you see this, the pagan god schtick will be continued indefinitely for the sole reason that it pisses you off.
Thersites sued me for posting on one of his closed threads. He won, too...the judge awarded him a half-eaten pack of Ricola cough drops that had been under the seat of my car for a couple months. Honey lemon.
A victory to be savored.
Not so much the cough drops, tho.
What are we talking about?
Phila,
Shit, I don't even think I have any cough drops. Don't think I've bought any in years, come to think of it. I could be in real trouble, then. Maybe I'll get thrown in cough-drop-debtors prison. I do have some NyQuil, though, I think. Maybe that'll do.
the judge awarded him a half-eaten pack of Ricola cough drops that had been under the seat of my car for a couple months
And those were just the economic damages.
Thersites sued me for posting on one of his closed threads. He won, too...the judge awarded him a half-eaten pack of Ricola cough drops that had been under the seat of my car for a couple months. Honey lemon.
that's nothing, I once had to award him my testicular contents for the same reason . talk about embarrasing.
not feeding me is not the solution go to the dogsnot blog and tell me what a cocksucker I am.
What are we talking about?
Arne's contention that a fictitious character on a public comment space can sue for libel when other fictitious characters say mean things
There needs to be a name for this pyschopathology.
If Gordo had the imagination and the money, I'd think it was chloral delirium.
But as he doesn't...I think we're dealing a mix of aphronesia and aphanisis, with a touch of gynecomania.
And yes, I an a psychiatrist.
"that's nothing, I once had to award him my testicular contents for the same reason . talk about embarrasing.
sunzoo"
For whom?
arne its a political blog. got any politics?... all TEENAGE BOYS aside
worthless big word elitist sob's
Phila,
Shit, I don't even think I have any cough drops.
You better stock up if you're gonna tangle with Internet Tough Guys. 'Specicially when they're backed up by the Awesome Power of the Law.
How utterly pathetic.
Grow up - all of you. There's more to life than this silly shit.
Goodnight.
I thought I was gone but saw this and wanted to share.
The thing speaks for itself.
Texan shooting at cats allegedly hits man
Associated Press
EDINBURG A man who said he was shooting at stray cats has been charged with manslaughter in the death of a man shot while herding his sheep and goats.
Arne's contention that a fictitious character on a public comment space can sue for libel when other fictitious characters say mean things
flory
It's, like, totally postmodern. Or something.
Wheels within wheels, man.
Arne's contention that a fictitious character on a public comment space can sue for libel when other fictitious characters say mean things
Ah. The Dermot Trellis case.
What is strange about a 192.168.. address?
EkCentriK
Jeffrahan Prestonian is our resident techie, but even I know that is a subnet address within a firewall.
Evening, moonbats! Happy Friday-even without kitties. They'll be back. They always come back.
Tred Smith you suck
gordy, can you stop eddie haskell, you will gain much currency and a more tolerant hearing...
I played a big band jazz chart called "Mr. Wu's Fabulous Pig" in the early 90's, is this the reference?
sunzoo
No, Mr. Wu famous now!
Texan shooting at cats allegedly hits man
Associated Press
Let us know if you need help with the bail, A-man.
Sleep tight, watch your cornhole, good buddy,
It's, like, totally postmodern. Or something.
Post-postmodern. Almost neo-realism.
Or something.
ah, you all know me as a curmudgeon at heart. i think you also know that i hate the fascist bastids.
tell me, i had dinner the other night with a law school prof that told me that i was wasting my time being an anti-fascist.
having anything to do with blogs.
especially anti-bush blogs.
the prof professes to be a steadfast democrat.
i have heard this before from dnc, dlc acolytes, i think.
what is it about certain elements of the dnc, dlc which makes them want to be bushits?
is it the money? the access to power?
or have they always been republicans in disguise?
all ears,
I think we're dealing a mix of aphronesia and aphanisis, with a touch of gynecomania.
More like synesthesia with a touch of parataxis, or else an acute lapidiary escutcheon, I should think.
I was going to make a comment on the piece, but the comments have gone so far astray at this point . . . well, I'll forge ahead anyway.
Friedman's work (I haven't read the reviewed book, but from its description it appears to fit this comment) reminds me of Fukayama - remember the End of History (we're all liberal democracies now and we'll have to satisfy our urges for danger by climbing mountains and whatnot?). Both focus on a very specific slice of the pie, but leave one feeling that there are huge seething forces out there that they simply do not see.
More like synesthesia with a touch of parataxis, or else an acute lapidiary escutcheon, I should think.
Thersites
IN other words, he has a needle dick and fucks bugs.
Thanks for taking time out of your obviously packed intinerary to lay that little it of wisdom on the masses, there, Ted.
It's, like, totally postmodern. Or something
Social commentators will refer to the period immediately following 1-20-2009 as postmortem.
OK. well there was definitely a Mr. Wu whose pigs were the subject of a big band chart as least as far back as 1992 .. can anyone pick up the thread from here? What is it about a character named Wu and his apparently ravenous pigs ?????
that's nothing, I once had to award him my testicular contents for the same reason . talk about embarrasing.
I thought the purpose of my lawsuit was to PREVENT you from doing that...
Sheesh, whay a legal muddle.
albertc,
they just don;t want to know, period. Perhaps they are wealthy enough ...just enough to have something to lose. The most vulnerable of all.
I think they are, in fact, repubs in disguise, though they will not admit it.
Dems, true Dems, always go for the edge. Interesting, isn't it? There really ARE "two kinds of people."
SD
Geez-I don't know anyone like that.
A-political types might say that.
Grow up - all of you. There's more to life than this silly shit.
Goodnight.
Ted Smith
yes, grow up... but not bigger than a TEENAGE BOY with brad pitt looks.
IN other words, he has a needle dick and fucks bugs.
Well, yes. In the vulgate.
albertchampion
Some of us in accademia seem to think it is anti-intellectual to win.
But I say not only do I want us to win, I want us to win ugly, by playing even dirtier than they do, by destroying the lives of as many of them -- and their families -- as possible by dragging their names through the mud. And if we have to make shit up to do it, it will be fun, let's make up really good shit.
But that's just me.
By the way, I heard that Rupert Murdoch was financing al Qaida.
Ah. The Dermot Trellis case.
Thersites
There are eerie similarities.
I think we need to get him before he gets us. Let's see...
"Gordon the Magnificent drew himself up to his full height and smashed his brittle skull into the doorknob. Blind with the pain of it, he staggered onto the porch, missed a step, and was catapulted into a hedge full of thorny thorns covered in black poison and a good stiff dose it was too. But even in his thorny agonies it was the thirst that he felt most. His tongue was as crisp and black as a strip of burnt bacon...."
Huge seething forces simplified so we can hurry up and evolve. Fareed sees the big picture.
AC:
i was wasting my time being an anti-fascist.
having anything to do with blogs.
especially anti-bush blogs.
Honestly, I think part of it is fear. Blogs are a medium-and the netroots a community-they don't understand and over which they have no control. So they try to marginalize us as much as possible.
More like synesthesia with a touch of parataxis, or else an acute lapidiary escutcheon, I should think.
Thersites
I could really dig Thers' groove better if I didn't have to go get the heads up on what the cat's growlin' 'bout.
Big Daddy Webster gettin' page-turned tonite.
Well, you fucks set him off. Take the damn pledge, and he'll disappear. There's nothing there but ego and air. His very first post was the hook for the whole thread, thus easy to ignore. He has no imagination, and can't exist without you fucks. And I say that with all cocksucking regard for the regulars, good folks all. Or fucks.
By the way, I heard that Rupert Murdoch was financing al Qaida.
Ba'al
I read on the internets that W fucks goats. But who are you going to believe...the internets or Jeff Gannon?
More like synesthesia with a touch of parataxis, or else an acute lapidiary escutcheon, I should think.
Thersites
No you shouldn't. How can you ignore the obvious signs of anancasm? Such as, to wit, and notwithstanding: perseverative tendencies; ruminations; recurrent stereotyped fantasies; harping on subjects; overawareness of bodily functions; hair-splitting argumentativeness; and adherence to timetable-like routine in living?
Throw a bit of sophomania in, and you've got as pretty a picture of GTM as mortal hand ever limn'd.
But y'know those low hanging curveballs...
flory
well, yeah, it was BEGGING for it, I know
No need to be sorry at all. I loved it. Yer one of my faves, anyway.
I know I am wasting my time, except I don't know what else to do with it. I have enough anger in me to direct at fascists, or I could forgive them.
Fighting feels right.
It feels good. It is good.
Arne's contention that a fictitious character on a public comment space can sue for libel when other fictitious characters say mean things
Ah. The Dermot Trellis case.
Well, except that one's a classic and the other's.....Arne.
And I say that with all cocksucking regard for the regulars, good folks all. Or fucks.
ronjazz, relative moralist
dude, be like you are and let us be like we are... all trolls require different handling, you nay not be an expert... somethings require attention
He has no imagination, and can't exist without you fucks. And I say that with all cocksucking regard for the regulars, good folks all. Or fucks.
ronjazz, relative moralist
Hey, I've been pretty good lately! I've cut my troll baiting down to a bare minimum.
It's a shame, too, 'cause I'm such a master baiter.
His tongue was as crisp and black as a strip of burnt bacon
Is that enough or do you want some more, says the Pooka. But your man just lets out with the whingeing. Oh is that the shape of it says the Pooka. And so he lifts up your man and tosses him down on the points of the fence in the yard so that his guts are dragged all out of him by the sharpness and the cuts of the metal spikes and the tips of the rails in the fence.
thanks, Sarah.
now you've got me blushing.
It is off to bed for me. No interfering with the chambermaid or I will make it hot for you.
It's a shame, too, 'cause I'm such a master baiter.
Oy.
Trollminder, that's the attitude that lost us the last three stolen elections. You're going to go around being all nice and fair and reasonable, with some constructive criticism, and they're gonna come back at you with LAWYERS. And the AUTHORITIES. I believe you to be a theoretical expert who may need more seasoning in the field. I do enjoy your thorough consistency, though. Cracked me the fuck up, it did. Phila, you made me wake my wife up. You fuck. My sides hurt.
half-eaten pack of Ricola cough drops that had been under the seat of my car for a couple months. Honey lemon.
Now I'm going to sue you, too, Phila. For the sake of honey-lemon Ricolas. My dog Henrietta loves them. She stole a whole bag of mine once. She has an iron stomach, that one.
Is that enough or do you want some more, says the Pooka. But your man just lets out with the whingeing. Oh is that the shape of it says the Pooka. And so he lifts up your man and tosses him down on the points of the fence in the yard so that his guts are dragged all out of him by the sharpness and the cuts of the metal spikes and the tips of the rails in the fence.
Thersites
That's too short work you're making of him altogether. It's got too much of the soft feminine hand in it. Begob are you afraid of a bit of blood? This matter wants some drawing out and some consideration. There's time enough for the gutting when we've had a go at the quick of the nails and the boils on the neck, and seen the nose chawed off. And there's also a small matter of the 'pendycitis. I had an uncle who was roaring with the 'pendycitis a fortnight, with a fever on him that would roast a hen. Believe me or believe me not, now.
All this talk of the fever is thirsty work, begob.
Now I'm going to sue you, too, Phila.
That's crazy talk. You don't have to sue me...I'm one of your merest slaveys.
Phila, what does "begob" mean? To rephrase, when would you use it in writing?
Phila, what does "begob" mean? To rephrase, when would you use it in writing?
Echidne of the snakes
You'd use it in place of "by God," for turbulent and glowering masculine emphasis.
It appears to be bed time.
Night all.
Goodnight, folks. I'm going to go and drink some slippery elm powder now.
Drink it? I thought you were supposed to snort it?
Someone tweak Atrios to rip John Tierney a new asshole for his NYTimes column this morning. It's a wingnut fuckwit martini: dash of Safliar, and six parts Bobo.
Oh, one last thing. I just learned that a new company will compress your dead loved ones into diamonds, which you can have as a keepsake. They can color 'em in various ways, if you like.
I'm not sure what to make of this.
It's a wingnut fuckwit martini: dash of Safliar, and six parts Bobo.
pseudonymous in nc
Is this an old family recipe?
And red neck? I thought you were just a red coat!
Bush as Robin Hood?
I'm aghast, pseud. so much wrong with this... misleading innuendo that draws the unsuspecting Little Green Raelian in to his death... trapped in a cluster fuck that the Little Green Raelians are unable to comprehend.
And on the other side think of the possibilities... Condi as Maid Marian, Falwell as Friar Tuck, Cheney as Big Dick.
I've seriously grown to loathe George Noory. The sound of his voice now makes me want to hurl chunks.
Oh, one last thing. I just learned that a new company will compress your dead loved ones into diamonds, which you can have as a keepsake. They can color 'em in various ways, if you like.
I'm not sure what to make of this.
Phila
I wouldn't mind having that done with my remains, actually. I don't have any special desire to have my corpse buried in a coffin.
And red neck? I thought you were just a red coat!
Ah, so close but no cigar! The red coats had given way to khaki by the time my ancestors made the short trip eastwards across the Irish Sea a century ago. That's to say I'm at best a naturalised colonial master.
As the Duke of Wellington said, being born in a stable doesn't make someone a horse. Just as living in North Carolina doesn't make one a redneck.
Anyway, Tierney's column is such a masterpiece of dissimulation, he deserves a prize. Like a kick up the arse.
(Watching the CBC show on the American right-wing press right now. I really want to throttle Ann Coulter's scrawny AdamsAppled neck.)
Oh, one last thing. I just learned that a new company will compress your dead loved ones into diamonds, which you can have as a keepsake. They can color 'em in various ways, if you like.
This reminds me of some fantasy book where people were imprisoned inside stones like diamonds. Maybe Barbara Hambly's.
But one might build a necklace of the dear departed over time. Something to look forward to as one gets older? I think it's a bit sick.
Ah...
So I was thinking of colonial masters when you mentioned the Dimbleby name yesterday.
Though I was thinking of the younger Dimbleby rather than the one at the helm of the BBC inquisition.
But it was fun clicking through wikipedia and seeing the relations.
So what is the name of this CBC show? Should I look for a torrent?
Nah, it's online: The Fifth Estate: Sticks And Stones. Famous for the Coulter bare-faced lie on Canada sending troops to Vietnam.
But it was fun clicking through wikipedia and seeing the relations.
When something important happens in Britain that needs broadcasting, the cry of 'get me a Dimbleby' rings through the corridors.
But one might build a necklace of the dear departed over time. Something to look forward to as one gets older? I think it's a bit sick.
Not as bad as some Victorian mourning and grave customs, though. Damn, those people were mawkish.
Though as much as the last vestiges of my religious faith were last seen escaping around 2001, there's something to be said about 'dust to dust', and not dust to fucking bling.
well, i finally found an audiophile retailer that cares about his business...recognizes that the gear has to be available for auditioning and that source evaluation requires the elimination of as many variables as possible.
the store is whetstone audio in austin, tejas. the prop. is brian difrank. you can go to his website[whetstoneaudio.com] to learn more about his philosophy.
i drove over to austin yesterday from conroe so as to audition cyrus, naim, and rega source equipment. and my auditioning was indulged for 2 hours.
what i liked about the space was that all the gear was in one audition room: the environment was the same for each source.
my interest was in evaluating the naim cd5x, the cyrus cd8x, and the rega p3. my thinking was that the cyrus with the psx-r was going to be the "apple of my ear" based on the reviews in various brit buffbooks[what hi-fi, et alia].
i have a huge vinyl collection, none of which have been played for 5 years. principally because turntable space[sony japanese market only, 1970's vintage which orignally had an SME tonearm and a shure v15 cartridge. when the SME arm developed an irreparable short circuit, it was replaced by a rabco sl8e and a shure v15.3] became replaced by an hhb-cdr850 and a sony cdx-99es jukebox.
reading good things about rega turntables and arms, i thought that perhaps i would add that source to my system as part of my rethinking of how to best play all media.
i thought that if brian had his showroom set up as he purported to have it set up[which would make him unique in my experience] i would evaluate his gear this way.....
1. i am a jass buff. one of the players that i collect is art pepper. in the late 1970's, early 1980's, a japanese record company [yupiteru industry co. ltd] came to LA to record art. because of art's prison record, the recordings were released without any featuring of art. BUT ART WAS THE REASON FOR THE RECORDINGS. and they are great LP's...the zenith of recording and vinyl production.
i have all of those original vinyls [virtually unplayed, archival]. and i have the cd's of those recordings that were released within the last decade.
so, i thought that it would be educational to first play the vinyl on the rega P3, then to play my cdr[mitsui gold] of the cd-reissue. my cdr dupes are produced using a tascam cdr4000mk2.
a.] the vinyl was FUNK 'N FUN: BILL WATROUS QUINTET. YJ25-7024.
b.] the cdr was a mitsui gold dupe of the cd [TKCB-71588].
2. one pair of speakers was selected to air all sources. in this instance neat elite se's. listening position was identical for the entire audition session.
3. the first track of the vinyl - just friends - was played through cyrus gear using the rega P3 with a dynavector 10x5 moving coil cartridge.
astonishing! i had forgotten how great a great LP sounds. brian difrank was astounded by the quality of the recording and the impact of this vinyl, as well. it was as if you were at a good jass club in LA.
4. then we played the cdr of that session, that track, through the cyrus gear.
there was no similarity. the cyrus reproduction of the cdr was way too bright and seemed to avoid detail. i found it aurally uncomfortable. really didn't want to listen to the entirety of the track.
5. then we played the cdr in the naim. closer to the vinyl, but still off somehow.
6. then brian said, let's make oranges be oranges. let's use the naim with its separate power supply, he called it flatcap.
WOW! now the cdr sounded virtually identical to the vinyl.
hmmmmmmmmm.
7. ended the auditioning session listening to my cdr dupe of nancy lamott's my foolish heart cd.
a.] using the cyrus gear, way too brilliant. the substance of some great arrangements, and playing, are overwhelmed somehow. the intimacy of the performance is lost.
b.] using the naim gear, the cdr sounded just like the 1993 lamott performance at tavern on the green [i was there].
i don't think that brian difrank expected the deficiencies of the cyrus kit to be so audible. certainly i didn't. that was the gear that i was thinking that i would be acquiring.
what is more interesting is that both my cheap pioneer dv-578a and my pioneer-based hhb-cdr850 play these cdr's closer to the rega fidelity than the cyrus. and my dead naka cd2 was even closer to the vinyl.
but the naim cd5x and the flattop2 were indistinguishable from the vinyl as played on the rega p3 with the dynavector 10x5.
i have asked brian to give me all the specs on the cabling that he used. when i get it, i shall pass it on.
but as i heard it, the naim gear gets the vinyl LP sound dead on.
requiescat in pacem, art pepper. how i miss your presence on the jass stage.
turned into diamonds? Gee, that would be so much more than I have been worth whole and alive. Yet so much less than I would prefer to be, dead.
I'd rather be burned to a crisp and sent flying to the wind. Only better would be to be food for fish, dropped decaying straight from death into the ocean. Or, perhaps, turned under into a garden. Something useful, fer chrissakes.
how ya doin' albert c??
[The martini] was drunk by the most debonair men of the time: Cole Porter, Nick Charles (the Thin Man), F. Scott Fitzgerald, and FDR.
But Nick Charles (né Charalambides), was never the thin man. That description refers to the disappeared inventor, Wynant, for whom Nick reluctantly searches.
Two more quiblets. You get the impression that Nick would drink rubber cement or floor wax or 3-in-1 machine oil if martinis were not immediately, you know, handy. And the eggy bits of Scott Fitzgerald / debonair / martini run rather more toward scrambled than neatly poached.
Wikipedia articles for those unfamiliar:
David Dimbleby - the man who grilled Prime Minister Tony the other night while Furious George was being tossed softballs by the US press ho's.
Little Brother Jonathan
Colonial Master, Baron Fatty Peng, Chancellor for the Universities of Newcastle and Oxford.
oh, fiddle. Nick Charles would never consume rubber cement etc. Fliltcraft, whatchyou talkin'?? Also re: Fitzgerald.
You don't have an appreciation for/understanding of the Age, is my thought.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so, being closer to that Age than you, I bet.
good heavens, the only one awake. After this most especially hideous week.
O-Kay.
Time to crawl between mattress and boxsprings and suck my thumb and stay there for a while.
and mantra in head goes "fuckbushfuckbushfuckbushfuckbushfuckbushfuckbushf
uckbushfuckbushfuckbushfuckbush"
forever and ever, amen.
Cancel subscriptions to NYT.
The goons are self described 'Flat Earthers'.
To tell you the truth, maybe Ann Coulter was right but for self deluded reasons. The NYT hunted down Clinton and backed Bush. If anything NYT is the polite vanguard of the Radical Right.
Burn Mother****** burn.
Morning Mooonbats
As usual, Gore is windy, but right on the money.
Morning moonbats.
Rainy Saturday. Nice.
"Damn. I think the list of conservatives I can still respect is now the empty set."
You need to use i to chart my respect for conservatives.
I would agree on not taking "The Times". As Juan Cole has pointed out they have endorsed neo-McCarthyism on the campuses. The Times, they are a changed back to 1951.
EPTropy,
The problem is that when you build your argument on assumptions that are simply wrong: then whatever amount of thought or logical processing you do; you will never have anything but a lie.
Hey QL, thought maybe I was alone on a soft Saturday morning.
Have started to read Jeff Sharlet's article in Harper's (not Harper's Bazaar as I found out after I had paid $6.50 for a magazine that promotes lipstick and what not). Part of the way Pastor Ted managed to take over Colorado Springs was by assigning his robots to specific families and then have them pray for those families by standing in front of their homes, following them around, and it sounds like just generally intimidating them. Ten out of the fifteen families so targeted for "prayer" sold their homes and moved.
When his ministry grew out of his basement he got a store in a strip mall, then proceeded to halt all other business in said mall. He even hung up a banner that read "Siege the City for Me, signed Jesus." This isn't a religion, it is a cult. Why are so many will fodder?
I'm awake, it's raining, it pouring, Bush is still a cocksucka.
Morning to all.
"will" = "willing"
Morning DWD - nice not to have to run out this morning.
I wish they would throw softballs to Georgie. Those questions were more cotton balls than soft balls.
We will know that democracy has been achieved when we stop treating the president like a queen. Question time with full British style grilling would have several beneficial effects. First it might create a real opposition, something that we don't have with our ineffective "checks and balances". Second, it might produce smarter presidents since any idiots would be exposed for what they are. Third, it might make the proceedings in the congress interesting enough to watch at least once a week.
The Washington Press won't do the job of asking hard questions, it's in their interest to support the corporate party and to destroy any opposition to it. And their biggest interests after their salary and benefits is what parties they get invited to. They aren't going to risk those by bringing up anything, horrors!, controversial.
Dammit, Big Daddy. They said yesterday it was going to rain here in Michigan all day, and possibly snow.
Turns out it's going to be partly sunny and mid 50's. Guess the wife and I are taking the 5th wheel up north to our friend's campground, for it's maiden voyage tonight.
Grill some sammiches over the fire. Drink cold beer. Enjoy nature. Of course, this 5th wheel thing is entirely new to both of us. So, I guess it's now called 'leisure camping'.
Saturday mornings, with the chaos of the week behind us, are a lovely time to find a perspective for living again.
QL, it is funny how little random thoughts can start a cycle of consideration, isn't it? The other night, just before you left for the evening, you said, "I just want to make quilts!"
I know the feeling. There are really a great number of things I would like to do, but I end up not doing them for a variety of reasons. The main one is that there is neither time nor opportunity. While my writing has taken me far into my mind, I feel very strongly, that there are more journeys that I have ignored than accepted. That gives me a feeling of . . . not quite sadness: something a little more damning. I guess it is a feeling of being adrift without a center to find my way back to. I have four novels in various states of completion, I have always wanted to do a poetic version of the Arthur tale with a little better annotation to what we know historically. I would like to take guitar lessons. I would like to learn to cook a little bit better. I would like to experience the joys of creation in a number of areas.
Instead I am a teacher and that particular vocation simply robs my mind of the dexterity necessary for extending myself beyond the four walls and family. We all want something for ourselves. How we can best achieve such things is the reason for living.
Sounds a little heavy, doesn't it? I will listen to a little more Harry Chapin and think a bit longer.
Turns out it's going to be partly sunny and mid 50's. Guess the wife and I are taking the 5th wheel up north to our friend's campground, for it's maiden voyage tonight.
That sounds like a good time. Once it starts getting warm we'll be heading up into Southern Michigan to pick fruit and maybe buy some wine. I love it. I could use the downtime.
DWD - toss yer camping stuff into the vehicle and head to Baldwin. That's where we're going tonight.
G'morning, sunrise moonbats!
BaŽndog,
Gave up the camping stuff a few years ago when my boys could never get away to come along. I might be going back that way again though. My oldest is going to be a senior at MSU (SENIOR! ONE MORE FUCKING YEAR!) and my youngest is going to be a senior in high school. The time is coming for Mrs DWD and I to discover the world we left behind twenty years ago.
I like Baldwin. Have some ice cream for me and all.
You talkin' over by K-Zoo & PawPaw Big Daddy? That's where the good wine comes from in So Mich. I prefer the northern stuff myself.
Just like my maple syrup. U.P. variety only. Nice having friends spread out all over the state.
Morning Moonbats! No gardening for me; it's pouring rain.
Morning, NYMary. It is a beautiful day here in Michigan. The sun is streaking through the blinds and decorating the walls with shadows. (Clear morning sunlight also reminds me of how much I need to clean the old computer room.)
Morning Hecate, if the gardening is not available: how about coffee and conversation?
Instead I am a teacher and that particular vocation simply robs my mind of the dexterity necessary for extending myself beyond the four walls and family.
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Part of the reason I disliked teaching was the emotional toll dealing with 150 souls a day took on my peace of mind. I would come home drained with hardly enough energy to deal with my own family. Even after I realized that I couldn't reach each and every student, just dealing with the few I could reach hung me out dry. The student who comes in bruised day after day. Or the young lady who so conscientiously copied every note, and did every homework assignment without understanding one concept. The payback of occasionally sparking an interest just wasn't enough. Maybe teaching the younger grades, limited to one class is easier. I don't know, and have no desire to find out.
DWD,
Coffee talk sounds good! Quilt Lady,That and the low pay is what drove me from teaching to law.
The time is coming for Mrs DWD and I to discover the world we left behind twenty years ago.
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Speaking from recent experience, it rocks. The first few months were kind of strange. No lazy teenagers hanging around ready to pounce the question of what's for dinner before you even shrug off your coat. Or judging your every action and finding it wanting. Some nights Mr. QL and I will have a slice of cake and a glass of wine for dinner. We feel like guilty kids, as both our daughters have turned into food puritins.
You talkin' over by K-Zoo & PawPaw Big Daddy? That's where the good wine comes from in So Mich. I prefer the northern stuff myself.
I haven't hit the northern area yet. Since we're close to the south-west corner we usually don't get much further into Mich than the area around St. Julian's/Tabor Hill. But I'll have to snoop around and check out Paw Paw.
The problem with teaching - at least in my district - is what I call the Curse of Cassandra. In classical mythology Cassandra was cursed by the gods with the gift of foresight with the stipulation that no one would believe her. A particularly damning curse.
So, I look over my shining faces and see their futures as clearly as if they had maps etched on their foreheads. The problem is that statistics do not lie. Of my fifteen little girls, at least eight of them will have a child before eighteen. Of the 26 children in my class - at least half of them will never graduate from high school. They have the road to poverty and failure imprinted on them and it is damned difficult to change that map. But we do try. . . .
Hecate - I switched to being a paralegal, and now manage the entire office. Dealing with stressed out lawyers preparing for trial is easier than 150 middle schoolers. Sometimes, not by much, but at least I am not responsible for their well being.
Well, I still teach. What does *that* say about me?
Morning, reasonable people
It's 4:40 dark here on the Left Coast, but we're supposed to have a lovely (if coolish) day.
NY Mary - How is your daughter?
DWD,
Goddess bless you. Once when I was teaching sex ed, I was telling the girls how delaying pregnancy would let them have fun as young adults: get their own apartment, have a sports car, buy nice clothes. They looked at me like I had three heads. I realized that not even one of them had an older sister who hadn't had a baby in high school. They had no real world models of what I was talking about. Scary.
That Gore piece is excellent, QL. Wonder why it's not more widely published?
Oh wait, no I don't.
My fear for this time of togetherness coming is that I have become so strange in the last few years. I cannot abide television. If I try to watch, I simply see manipulation at work. Mrs. DWD still enjoys her tv shows and such. I hang about the computer writing and listening to music and seeing the wonder of the world.
She still likes to travel, I find it uncomfortable for lack of a better word. It is not so much that I do not like to see things, it is rather than I enjoy solitude and comfort more than I enjoy demanding time and discomfort. I hope that makes sense.
NYMary,
I think it says you're very dedicated and possessed with amazing patience!
LOS ANGELES - Prosecutors said Friday they were looking into out-of-state donations to mayoral candidate Antonio Villaraigosa, one day after the city councilman said he was returning $47,000 from workers of two Florida-based companies.
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Mayor James Hahn had asked the city Ethics Commission to investigate donations made to his rival by employees at Travel Traders LLC and S.E. Florida Investments, and said campaign laws might have been broken.
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QL,
My offspring are all doing okay. The older one is coping with the new rules for the rest of the school year, partly because I'm being a bit flexible. (Technically, she's not doing social stuff, but I let her go see the Hitchiker's Guide film last night.) We'll get her out of 9th grade okay.
Rosie, of course, is cute and fat and pink--and intrepid, which is a bit scary.
St Julio's is good, Big Daddy. If you can, try to get up to the Traverse City area during the summertime for fruit season. Grapes and apples, obviously are later on. Over by DWD in the Muskegon area, is a really good for fruit too.
Thanks, Hecate! I feel the very opposite of that, in fact. But then it's a grey day, and I have work to do.
Intrepid babies! I love them. My oldest is a very kind and happy and handsome kid. His brother has followed his daddy into the darkside of endless consideration. (If I had a choice, I would be happy and kind and handsome.)
One of the reason I teach is my endless search for children who do not fit into the mold very well. I always thought I was crazy when I was younger. School was an endless succession of traumas for me. WHen I find these poor lost souls, I take them under my wing and explain that it is perfectly acceptable to be "different." (Something our society does not do very well.)
Sounds like your children, NYMary, are following the DWD model for mental strife. Just remember to tell them that it is perfectly acceptable to be intelligent and circumspect: being a cheerleader is simply not for everyone.
Good Gravey!
tierney is a liar:
It's true, as Democrats love to point out, that the poverty rate among the elderly has declined from 35 percent a half-century ago to 10 percent today. But when you consider how much money is being taken out of Americans' paychecks - most workers now pay more to Social Security than to the I.R.S. - you're entitled to wonder why there are any poor widows remaining.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/3....html?th&
emc=th
Who'd a thunk it!
partly because I'm being a bit flexible.
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Exactly what I found to be the key. That and trying to convince them that there failings do not make them horrible people. My poor younger daughter still has a terrible time with organization, but has learned a few tricks for dealing with the inevitable lost keys and unpaid bills. She and her father have total admiration for her sister and me cause we find organization the easy part. On the other hand, daughter number 1 and I can't do calculus, something Mr. QL and daughter number 2 seem to be able to intuit.
salon has an interview with richard dawkins, an evolutionary biologist. he makes some really interesting observations about religion and the u.s. slipping back towards a theocratic dark ages. here's a passage:
"You are working on a new book tentatively called "The God Delusion." Can you explain it?
A delusion is something that people believe in despite a total lack of evidence. Religion is scarcely distinguishable from childhood delusions like the "imaginary friend" and the bogeyman under the bed. Unfortunately, the God delusion possesses adults, and not just a minority of unfortunates in an asylum. The word "delusion" also carries negative connotations, and religion has plenty of those.
What are its negative connotations?
A delusion that encourages belief where there is no evidence is asking for trouble. Disagreements between incompatible beliefs cannot be settled by reasoned argument because reasoned argument is drummed out of those trained in religion from the cradle. Instead, disagreements are settled by other means which, in extreme cases, inevitably become violent. Scientists disagree among themselves but they never fight over their disagreements. They argue about evidence or go out and seek new evidence. Much the same is true of philosophers, historians and literary critics.
But you don't do that if you just know your holy book is the God-written truth and the other guy knows that his incompatible scripture is too. People brought up to believe in faith and private revelation cannot be persuaded by evidence to change their minds. No wonder religious zealots throughout history have resorted to torture and execution, to crusades and jihads, to holy wars and purges and pogroms, to the Inquisition and the burning of witches.
What are the dark sides of religion today?
Terrorism in the Middle East, militant Zionism, 9/11, the Northern Ireland "troubles," genocide, which turns out to be "credicide" in Yugoslavia, the subversion of American science education, oppression of women in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and the Roman Catholic Church, which thinks you can't be a valid priest without testicles.
Fifty years ago, philosophers like Bertrand Russell felt that the religious worldview would fade as science and reason emerged. Why hasn't it?
That trend toward enlightenment has indeed continued in Europe and Britain. It just has not continued in the U.S., and not in the Islamic world. We're seeing a rather unholy alliance between the burgeoning theocracy in the U.S. and its allies, the theocrats in the Islamic world. They are fighting the same battle: Christian on one side, Muslim on the other. The very large numbers of people in the United States and in Europe who don't subscribe to that worldview are caught in the middle.
Actually, holy alliance would be a better phrase. Bush and bin Laden are really on the same side: the side of faith and violence against the side of reason and discussion. Both have implacable faith that they are right and the other is evil. Each believes that when he dies he is going to heaven. Each believes that if he could kill the other, his path to paradise in the next world would be even swifter. The delusional "next world" is welcome to both of them. This world would be a much better place without either of them."
hadenough,
I am impressed! You actually read that drivel? I read the premise, weighed it for a moment, discounted it as being wrong and moved on . . .
DWD,
Intrepid's good--it just means I need to vacuum more often and police the five year old to put his legos away.
When I taught high school, the kids called me the "freak" teacher, because I was beloved of the goth kids and misfits. I remember sitting with a set of parents and the principal and offering the shocking opinion that their son was okay, despite his lack of athletics and/or student council. They then whispered, "we think he might be ... GAY!" and my reply, "So?" kept me out of any such meetings for the rest of my time there. Oops.
Did I mention that this was a Catholic high school?
St Julio's is good, Big Daddy. If you can, try to get up to the Traverse City area during the summertime for fruit season. Grapes and apples, obviously are later on. Over by DWD in the Muskegon area, is a really good for fruit too.
I'm going to try and make a run up there this summer. I told my wife we should take a few days and hit the UP and just relax on the Straights.
NYMary, of all of the "things" I have to do as a teacher, the hardest for me is to act as an agent of socialization. Socialization is a large part of my job and trying to endlessly explain why a person should adhere to society's dictates is difficult.
bkny,
Thanks for tyhat. So good, it's worth repeating:
Bush and bin Laden are really on the same side: the side of faith and violence against the side of reason and discussion. Both have implacable faith that they are right and the other is evil. Each believes that when he dies he is going to heaven. Each believes that if he could kill the other, his path to paradise in the next world would be even swifter. The delusional "next world" is welcome to both of them. This world would be a much better place without either of them.
Oh, just caught the talking heads on CNN losing it big time after finding out the "missing woman case" they were whoring all day yesterday was nothing more than a runaway bride. Funny as hell; they looked like someone had just told them the Tooth Fairy was bullshit. Good thing there wasn't any real news happening yesterday.
Suckers!!!!!
Thank you for your answers.
bkny, I actually have a theory about why reason hasn't supplanted superstition. Click on my homepage link and read the third entry down.
The long and short of it is that as persuasion becomes more scientific (military and commercial research into how to make a person believe/desire something), it can still be implemented to promote superstition. In fact, an unscupulous person could perpetrate this scientifically enhanced persuasion to reduce popular awareness of empiricism and evolution, as there's nothing to give away the game. Which is exactly in superstition's and in the powerful's interest: take away the ability to resist the persuasion by eliminating the public's ability to divine its mechanisms.
In fact I probably described it better just now, so don't bother clicking on the homepage link.
Well, DWD, I think what you're doing is importnat. Those kids need someone to tell them (1) that there's not just one path to success, and (2) that teen pregnancy and dropping out of high school are not inevitable. There are lots of ways to succeed, lots of ways to fail. Overworked parents like to tell kids how easy they have it, but that's not true. Only the American government, at this point in history, is more dysfunctional than your average school. (and the bullies, who are now the student council, have taken over both).
here's another passage from the salon/dawkins interview:
How would we be better off without religion?
We'd all be freed to concentrate on the only life we are ever going to have. We'd be free to exult in the privilege -- the remarkable good fortune -- that each one of us enjoys through having been being born. An astronomically overwhelming majority of the people who could be born never will be. You are one of the tiny minority whose number came up. Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one. The world would be a better place if we all had this positive attitude to life. It would also be a better place if morality was all about doing good to others and refraining from hurting them, rather than religion's morbid obsession with private sin and the evils of sexual enjoyment.
Are there environmental costs of a religious worldview?
There are many religious points of view where the conservation of the world is just as important as it is to scientists. But there are certain religious points of view where it is not. In those apocalyptic religions, people actually believe that because they read some dopey prophesy in the book of Revelation, the world is going to come to an end some time soon. People who believe that say, "We don't need to bother about conserving forests or anything else because the end of the world is coming anyway." A few decades ago one would simply have laughed at that. Today you can't laugh. These people are in power.
People who believe that say, "We don't need to bother about conserving forests or anything else because the end of the world is coming anyway." A few decades ago one would simply have laughed at that. Today you can't laugh. These people are in power.
A few decades ago Asshole of the Interior, James Watt, said pretty much this same thing. When he was asked about conserving forests, his comment was something like, "The world's going to end in a few years, so why bother?"
With these religious nuts, it's either (A) God will provide, or (B) God's gonna call us all home soon.
I like the cover art; it's a nice picture of what I was taught in elementary school, and later found out to be false.
DWD,
"You actually read that drivel?"
Not any more. I wanted to give him a decent chance. If the times could print on shit instead of paper, they would.
Tierney: oy.
underwhelm,
dawkins sort of addresses your point:
So why do we insist on believing in God?
From a biological point of view, there are lots of different theories about why we have this extraordinary predisposition to believe in supernatural things. One suggestion is that the child mind is, for very good Darwinian reasons, susceptible to infection the same way a computer is. In order to be useful, a computer has to be programmable, to obey whatever it's told to do. That automatically makes it vulnerable to computer viruses, which are programs that say, "Spread me, copy me, pass me on." Once a viral program gets started, there is nothing to stop it.
Similarly, the child brain is preprogrammed by natural selection to obey and believe what parents and other adults tell it. In general, it's a good thing that child brains should be susceptible to being taught what to do and what to believe by adults. But this necessarily carries the down side that bad ideas, useless ideas, waste of time ideas like rain dances and other religious customs, will also be passed down the generations. The child brain is very susceptible to this kind of infection. And it also spreads sideways by cross infection when a charismatic preacher goes around infecting new minds that were previously uninfected.
You've said that raising children in a religious tradition may even be a form of abuse.
What I think may be abuse is labeling children with religious labels like Catholic child and Muslim child. I find it very odd that in our civilization we're quite happy to speak of a Catholic child that is 4 years old or a Muslim of child that is 4, when these children are much too young to know what they think about the cosmos, life and morality. We wouldn't dream of speaking of a Keynesian child or a Marxist child. And yet, for some reason we make a privileged exception of religion. And, by the way, I think it would also be abuse to talk about an atheist child.
NYMary,
I had a professor in college - years ago now - who explained that beliefs are always circular in nature. It is not the classic contiuum that is usually presented with varying beliefs on either end of the spectrum, but rather beliefs are circular. His example (showing my age here.) were the Black separatists and the KKK. If you examined their positions, they actually ended up having pretty much the same beliefs. Separate societies, an endemic hatred of the other, contempt for a larger society, unwavering beliefs in the correctness of their positions and so on. I think this is the same argument: the fundamental Islamist and the fundamental Christians have much more in common than they would believe possible.
Hurrah for Richard Dawkins!
Maybe he meant "Level Playing Field Earth" or some such shit.
Well, yes, that's what he meant.
That Tierney column has me irritated ...
What the hell is with this piling on the democrats? Democrats have not been in power in >5 years now. People are talking and writing as though democrats were oppressing them for hundreds of years, as though democrats never did anything right. As though democrats were intrinsically evil. Christ. Talk about kicking people when they're down. And talk about, as male whore JimmyJeff would say, being divorced from reality.
Morning Res,
Upthread I noted that if the premise of the argument is fallacious, then whatever you argue will also be false.
If you want to get technical about it, dems haven't really been in power since January 1995.
Extra dry martinis are not martinis. They are "gin, straight" even if you plop an olive into it.
There was a magazine ad in the early 70's: "The ultimate martini. Skip the vermouth." My boyfriend and I had a big laugh over that.
Fuck Tierney - he is lame - talking about SS is only about helping the poor - hey I pay TONS of money into SS - I expect to get paid when I retire...I ain't poor...
like I have already said - let the evil show their true sides - give them more rope...they will hang themselves!
Fresh morning thread above.
You know how Wolcott wrote a few weeks back that "only inertia" was keeping him from cancelling his NYT subscription? Well I think I'm going to cancel mine today. I only get Saturday and Sunday anyway and I can read what I want for free online without enriching the Sulzburgers any more than they already area. Fuck these people.
Nonsense. Vermouth is very strong, and all it needs to add to gin or vodka is a hint of its presence.
Yes, but that's just saying that a little goes a long way. That's completely different from leaving it out entirely.
BTW - totally dig the anti-religion rants on this thread - jeebusness is the slavery that ties simple people to their masters - pass it on!
jeebusness and greed have been the causes of war through history - humans are still only territorial pissing in that respect...we have barely evolved past our ape ancestry - it is only our thumbs which we have relied upon for these few millenia where we weren't up in trees scared of big cats..
but humans are like amoebas...most humans will be buiilt and grown into know-nothing laborers - all we are is an initial level of evolution where we rely on our reptilian brain in knee-jerk reactions to our environment - lash out at what you fear and then run away and hide...
A few decades ago Asshole of the Interior, James Watt, said pretty much this same thing. When he was asked about conserving forests, his comment was something like, "The world's going to end in a few years, so why bother?"
Big Daddy, "When the last tree is felled, the Lord will come back" is an apocryphal quotation, like the supposed "cannot quote" of Lincoln. Bill Moyers apologized to James Watt for using it.
The Salon interviewer could have asked Richard Dawkins, what about the people who believe in God and live lives of integrity and compassion. Dawkins would probably have an answer for that, but at least it wouldn't be a softball question.
With regard to the bug-eyed bride-on-the-run ... I just want to thank the god-fearin', hard-prayin', cultureless Red State religionists and their progeny for being so consistently entertaining. You ultra-white Georgians with a few bucks in the bank are a hoot.
And, yes, boyfriend sets off my gaydar, but it's only a low-level booping noise.
Somebody fuck me in my dogshit hole.
I wonder if Friedman realizes that a writer can write about globalization as easily from Dharfur as from New York, and at one tenth the cost?
To Whom It May Concern:
This book review only confirms what I have always thought about Fareed Zakaria. He is a double talking, mealy mouthed, sycophant.
Enough said.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey T. Stewart
Fareed does say that Friedman exaggerates a bit.
Slowly the number of jobs that can be outsourced is increasing. If your are an American software engineer, research engineer, accountant, or a chemist your jobs are already devalued. If you are a radiologist or even a surgeon you better watch out.
Friedman's metaphors suck- as does his tunnel vision focusing solely on CEOs and top corporate officials. But the phenomenon that he describes is real, and all middle class americans whether in the job market or about to enter it have to take note.
I wonder if Friedman realizes that a writer can write about globalization as easily from Dharfur as from New York, and at one tenth the cost?
Alan
Thank you Alan. Since the first time I heard Fried-man spouting this "globalization is GOOOOD for you" crap I have longed to be on the scene when his editors come to the realization you cite. And tell him so. And he looks around for what else he can do to make money, and survive.
There's a big wet kiss to Friedman in today's Times review by Joseph Stiglitz. But what do you expect? Times writers don't get bad Times reviews.
If the Times had any integrity, it'd do what the New Yorker does: abstain from reviewing books by its contributors.
Arne = Ted Smith
Ignore the cocksucker.
Possibly. Or possibly a well-sedated "Gordon the Muddleheaded". Not me, though.
Unless I'm commenting on an actual issue and from a leftist perspective and not "trolling" for debate or baiting the regulars here (or, as here, pointing out forgeries in my name), you can rest assured it's not me. Trust your gut, folks, if it purports to be a comment from me, and it ticks you off, it ain't me. Not to mention, I supply my real e-mail addy (appropriately and obviously spam-guarded) when I post (although nothing prevents the forgers from doing this as well).
I do note a relative lull in the forgeries here the last couple of days, though. That is, since I outed "Gordon the Muddleheaded" as the source of most if not all of it, and provided the Dogsnot admin's contact info.....
Cheers,
Olaf,
Your approach to the topic is hardly rational. I dabbled in political science in college and nowhere did I come across a theory like yours. It's just blue collar rabble.
Cheers,
Arne Langsetmo | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:23 am | #
E-mail addy for this forgery: "arne@langsetmo.com"
Sounds like the Haldon's starting to wear off or Gordon's starting to recover from his three day bender (or has gotten out of the hospital from his pistol-whipping from Geoffrey).
Ignore Gordon the troll, folks. Thanks.
Cheers,
Arne is a clam blogger. Don't be mean to him.
Hey!?!?! That was a nice clam (and possibly the first clamblogging ever). Do check the articles too (and my kitties) in the archives.
But feel free to pile as much abuse on the namestealing Gordon here as you like (or ignore him, as is your wont and preference). Sorry, he seems to have recovered from his three-day binge and has enough consciousness to hit the keyboards again.... And if you're so inclined, do remember to tell the admin of Gordon's execrable blogsite:
Domain name: dogsnot.net
Administrative Contact:
Geoffrey Burnham (admin@dogsnot.net)
+1.7817151424
Fax: +1.7817151424
23 Preble St
Gorham, 04939
US
what you think of Gordon's slimy antics.
Cheers,
Arne wants you to go to his for real blog. He's just a blog whore.
magnolia | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:55 am | #
Nah. My blog's not all that interesting; I don't have time to really keep on top of things and bring it up to the sterling standards of Rising Hegemon, Eschaton, Oliverwillis, Kos, Hullabaloo, Billmon, Mahablog, anonanon. I wish I did have the time. Feel free to visit if you're interested; there's a couple good articles there in the archives, but it's hardly something that needs or warrants a daily check. But I'm not blogwhoring (not that putting an homepage in the sig is such in any case).
Gordon just has shite'fer'brains, and hasn't the sense to not put my actual blogsite in his forged posts, which has put more than one person on to his antics, when they actually went to the site and saw that I wasn't at all like Gordon (thank goodness).
Cheers,
Sez Gordon, pertending to be me:
Criticism is a two way street. Look in the mirror, fatty.
ROFLMAO. Talk about projection, Gordon!!! Check this out, folks (warning: barf bag recommended; scroll to the one where Gordon's got the beer and is proudly displaying his fat gut).
That's your forger, folks. Pathetic, eh? Now you know why he's got hours to fill Eschaton threads with trolls....
BTW, folks: Small request again: when responding to Gordon the troll, please call him "Gordon" or "Gordon the Muddleheaded" (or "Ted" if you like). Try leaving my name out of it. Thanks, I'd appreciate that.
Cheers,
Sez Gordon, pertending to be me:
Criticism is a two way street. Look in the mirror, fatty.
ROFLMAO. Talk about projection, Gordon!!! Check this out, folks (warning: barf bag recommended; scroll to the one where Gordon's got the beer and is proudly displaying his fat gut).
That's your forger, folks. Pathetic, eh? Now you know why he's got hours to fill Eschaton threads with trolls....
BTW, folks: Small request again: when responding to Gordon the troll, please call him "Gordon" or "Gordon the Muddleheaded" (or "Ted" if you like). Try leaving my name out of it. Thanks, I'd appreciate that.
Arne is a bleeding heart liberal. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa!
magnolia | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 12:58 am | #
I prefer "hard core leftist", thank you.
Cheers,
Gordon pretending to be me: You misspelled my name, bufoon [sic]. I abhor incompetence.
Gordon's too stoopid to try and forge arrogant posts. Then again, perhaps he's not completely idiotic. He managed to get "abhor" and "incompetence" right (at least this time). Really pathetic, folks. ROFLMAO.
Cheers,
Gordon sez: Suit yourself, all I do is turn in the time and date and the server will be accessed by the authorities.
Well, well, well. Sure thing, Gordon. Why don't we start at savvis.net? They might have some interesting logs, eh?
Cheers,
,ITell me something, Arne, o' ye of the fabulous legal education? Is it possible to libel someone who is posting under a fake name? We may "libel" your pseudonym, but in doing so, have we actually libelled you? How have we harmed who you really are if we and no one who reads this blog know who you are? We have, in essence, libelled a fictitious character that you have created, dipshit. Why don't you go pull your pud into your other hankie so they match?
Toonscribe | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:27 am | #
Gordon has no legal education, period. He's full'o'shite. Which means he's probably pretty much ignorant of laws on identity theft and libel. Hell, while I haven't researched it, it would serve him right if the favourite resting spot for his brown nose, Dubya, has managed to make what he's doing a felony under the so-called PAtriot act's over-broad provisions. As for libelling him, no foul, no problem, but do me a favour and try and keep my name out of it. Refer to the troll posts' author as "Gordon" (I'm just trying to keep the Google hit count for "Langsetmo" for trash entries down a bit... thanks in advance).
Cheers,
So why is Ted namestealing Arne, of all people? Seems like a really weird choice.
Phila | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 1:38 am | #
I used to harass Gordon and Geoffrey over at Dogsnot for fun (word of warning: Gordon started editing the site files over at Dogsnot to change my actual posts over there into puerile comments, so if it looks too much like what Gordon's posting over here, it probably is). Got bored; it's such a sucky blog and filled with such stoopid stuff (and commentary) that it wasn't even amusing; too much like torturing ants (albeit evil ants). But I put in a token appearance at Dogsnot a week ago or so, and then Gordon went psycho and started this flood of "Arne" forgeries over here this last week or so.... I apologise for my indiscretion of poking a stick in the troll-cage, but the results are Gordon's responsibility entirely.
Cheers,
And Arne, when alerted to the fact that you were stealing his name, seemed to feel more sorry for you than anything else.
I'm not feeling sorry for the loser. If Gordon was just fat, stoopid, and a bore, that's NP, in my book. But he's a nasty and amoral guy, and a first-class azo as well, and that deserves calumny and derision. 2X4s around the head has such a nice (hollow) ring to it. Have at it, my friends; you have my encouragement (now watch, the crybaby is going to have to try to figure out some way of claiming that I threatened him with bodily harm without tacitly admitting he's been forging my name).
Cheers,
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