I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
wow
stupid haloscan.
hello....
(crickets)
Ah, but they're French!
So they're exotic! Unusual! Beguiling!
Freedom!
No, wait, that's not right.....
as well as having the same mix of cool/geeky/clueless/shy/bully/etc...
And they eat cheese!!
Atrios: Le Stalker?
Do they still have the obligatory Chipie backpacks?
(I once proposed putting a rifle's nest on our college library to take out the gaggles of French schoolkids chattering outside while we were revising.)
fuck bush and CNN
Fucking Frogs!
Fucking Frogs!
Don't you mean Freedom Toads?
hello....
(crickets)
Chirp, chirp. Hello!
Fucking Frogs!
NTodd
Thanks, I'll pass.
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
Damn fucking traitor Frogs!
mmmm....french girls.
and they rock in bed.
What is this crap on cspan right now?
eEt ils sont fous de la façon de vivre américaine! Paradoxe!
Ntodd--isn't it raining in VT?
"Fucking Frogs!"
they're younguns, remember?
fucking tadpoles.
But they sound so much cooler!
Here's a good line to start a conversation with the young french kids:
Bonjour, mes pieds, ils sentent du fromage.
Don't you mean Freedom Toads?
For the record, I would never Freedom Kiss a Freedom Toad unless I were sure it would turn into an American Princess.
mmmm....french girls.
and they rock in bed.
chicago dyke
I don't know about the bed part, but I'll say that the accent is damn sexy!
are they glued to cnn, which still has runaway bride as top story?
not to mention the #4 story is the towns anger over incident
(on the web anyway)
mmmm....french girls.
and they rock in bed.
Pfff - overrated for sure. Want to get rocked? You need a Spanish or Italian girl.
Vos enfants sont très beaux. Ils sont adoptes?
Combien pour la fillette
fucking tadpoles.
The tads are too fast.
Ntodd--isn't it raining in VT?
Yup, that's why I'm inside being a delinquent and loitering here!
Voulez-vous couchez avec ma fromage?--Kinky Friedman
A funny one from the Onion this week:
Onion
mmmm....french girls.
and they rock in bed.
Pfff - overrated for sure. Want to get rocked? You need a Spanish or Italian girl.
Gatchaman
WRONG,
Nothing like Thai women on discount!
Want to get rocked? You need a Spanish or Italian girl.
Gatchaman
I'm married to a Latina...now that's the shit!
Want to get rocked? You need a Spanish or Italian girl.
I think A-man has that covered.
Voulez-vous couchez avec ma fromage?
LOL!
forget latinas, french and italian and thai women..
you wanna get rocked in bed?
go for the
older woman.
just sayin'
Bonjour, enfants français. Dites vos parents, ce Président Bush est un cocksucker !
NTodd-
Je deteste le fromage francais! It's known as freedom cheese, or fromage de la liberte.
Voulez-vous couchez avec ma fromage?
brie or chedder?
older woman.
just sayin'
her eyes
Oh, yes. Yes.
her eyes - how old are you?
you wanna get rocked in bed?
go for the
older woman.
just sayin'.
hear hear.
her eyes:
I believe a few of the gentleman on this blog have done just that. Thers, rorshach, a few others.
un tres grand cocksucker!
Why are Senate Democrats so afraid of conservative judicial nominees who are African Americans, Hispanics, Catholics, and women? Because these Clarence Thomas nominees threaten to split the Democratic base by aligning conservative Republicans with conservative voices in the minority community and appealing to suburban women. The Democrats need Bush to nominate conservatives to the Supreme Court whom they can caricature and vilify, and it is much harder for them to do that if Bush nominates the judicial equivalent of a Condi Rice rather than a John Ashcroft.
Conservative African-American, Hispanic, Catholic, and female judicial candidates also drive the left-wing legal groups crazy because they expose those groups as not really speaking for minorities or women. They thus undermine the moral legitimacy of those groups and drive a wedge between the left-wing leadership of those groups and the members they falsely claim to represent.
Take Janice Rogers Brown, who won reelection to her state supreme court seat with a stunning 76 percent of the vote in one of the bluest of the blue states, California. Or take Priscilla Owen, who won reelection to the Texas Supreme Court with a staggering 84 percent of the vote in Texas. It is Brown and Owen who represent mainstream opinion in this country--not the Senate Democrats who have been using the filibuster to block their confirmation to the federal bench. If Brown or Owen were nominated to the Supreme Court, the record suggests she would win the ensuing national contest for hearts and minds. Best of all for conservatives, Senate Democrats would be forced by their left-wing interest groups to go down fighting these popular minority and female nominees. At a bare minimum, Republican Senate candidates would acquire a great issue for 2006.
Thus the driving force behind the Democrats' filibuster of conservative minorities and women is political--driven by a desire to protect the party's advantage with minority and women voters and cater to left-wing interest groups. Democrats are also driven in part by their odd belief that "real" African Americans and Hispanics and women cannot be conservative.
"Nous sommes desoles que notre president soit un idiot. Nous n'avons pas vote pour lui."
her eyes - how old are you?
in dog years?
OK, I have a horrible cold and the drugs just kicked in, so its nap time.
Til later, moonbats.
Voulez-vous couchez avec ma fromage?
Gitchee gitchee ya ya, na na....
Why are Senate Democrats so afraid of conservative judicial nominees who are African Americans, Hispanics, Catholics, and women?
Tell ya what: you show me which of the 206 Bush nominees who have been confirmed aren't African Americans, Hispanics, Catholics, or women, then we can talk.
Actually it's quite easy to caricature and vilify a House Nigger like Condi Rice.
The question is do you have the guts to do it?
Voulez-vous couchez avec ma fromage?
brie or chedder?
Gruyere, of course.
Les enfants français, avez-vous apprécié le beau plummage et l'affichage agressif nos nos chrétiens évangéliques ?
cocksucker par choix
in dog years?
Sure!
OK, I have a horrible cold and the drugs just kicked in, so its nap time.
Have sweet Nyquil-induced dreams...
Did someone just take a dump in the corner?
Gitchee gitchee ya ya, na na....
heeeyoooo mamalade.....
sorry. just had to sing for a moment.
puppets, he BEEEEG cocksuka! My pigs hungry!
Did someone just take a dump in the corner?
It was Jonah.
Did someone just take a dump in the corner?
I think The Corner always smells like that.
uh, those frogs been reported to the general?
Have sweet Nyquil-induced dreams...
oooooo ny quil (homer simpston drool)
Fucking Frogs!
NTodd
Thanks, I'll pass.
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
Rmj, Dynamic Swami
there is something wrong with that. ask little georgie. oh, thats right he's moved onto monkeys. nevermind.
this country is so fucked. and now i've been asked to report for jury duty in the middle of a major move. first off, no matter how obvious the defendants guilt may be, there is no way i could in good conscience proclaim another guilty. (philosophically, we are all guilty). and the irony of it all, i am expected to report to Bush Avenue on June 6th. to that i say Fuck Bush!!!
Did someone just take a dump in the corner?
A rather peanut- and corn-riddled one at that.
feel better, flory.
Did someone just take a dump in the corner?
A rather peanut- and corn-riddled one at that.
Buzz Bomb
Sounds like a K-Lo job.
4:00 in the far, far, west, as my norwegian MIL used to say. Time for a little nip.
I think The Corner always smells like that.
I thought I'd recognised the smell, been awhile since I went dredging in that fetid hole.
Garcon! Un petit chasseur et fromage, por favor!
I AM the Ugly American!
(Actually, I speak German. And Irish.)
au revoir frog lovers!
puppets,
you are so full of shit your name should be Brown.
Fortunately, the Troll Repellant Bat-Spray™ now comes in new, springfresh scent for masking fetid odors.
Pppffffffttttt!!!!
her eyes--
Were you volunteering?
(just curious)
you wanna get rocked in bed?
go for the older woman."
Yup. Nationality stuff is bs. It's like the old saying, judge ye not the color of a woman's skin, but the content of her purse. ($, that is...)
Prior Aelred--
nah... i was just sayin'.
my libertarian friend and i were just arguing, so i missed all the good stuff here, sob.
gotta run to the party now moonbats. i'll see if i can find the time to post pics later.
luv to y'all, deep and abiding hatred of all things boosh.
If the docweasel doofus is just catching on to the "nominate wingnuts and play the race card" strategy, it's about 14 years behind the times.
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you wanna get rocked in bed?
go for the older woman."
Yup. Nationality stuff is bs. It's like the old saying, judge ye not the color of a woman's skin, but the content of her purse. ($, that is...)
I would be willing to carry out a comprehensive study to settle this once and for all.
No sacrifice too great for the sake of Atriot harmony.
I lived in France for awhile. One impression I had was that French teenagers are more like theones here variety than the ones I have seen anywhere else (not that I have been everywhere in the world). Not quite sure why or if my perceptions are accurate.
I always love going off to see my Swiss relatives and being on the plane with all these kids in cowboy hats, babbling in Schwyzerdytsch...
A good John...always pays.
The problem with older women: gravity takes its toll.
i'll see if i can find the time to post pics later.
pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease.
The older I get, the more convinced I am that I was the clueless one, even though at the time I wavered between thinking I was too cool for words and hating every fiber of my being...
Would not want to be a teenager again for all the money in the world.
Not quite sure why or if my perceptions are accurate.
Ba'al
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I can offer only anecdotal evidence, but in my opinion, they all smell about the same.
ain't nothin wrong with a little junk in the trunk...
nature, accept it.
The problem with older women: gravity takes its toll.
When all you can get is the current Oldest Woman in the World, yeah.
I think the "puppets"-troll stinks like a cheese sandwich in a fish purse.
One impression I had was that French teenagers are more like the ones here variety than the ones I have seen anywhere else (not that I have been everywhere in the world).
I felt that way about the French in general, at least compared with the English. Wierd.
The problem with puppets is that they are controlled by strings.
speaking of older women....
Eli, I am willing to be your research partner in this Academic Quest for Knowledge. I have glasses and a clipboard, so we're set.
I thought all teenagers were cool,geeky,clueless,shy bullies.
speaking of older women....
DAMN YOUR EYES!
The problem with older women: gravity takes its toll.
puppets
speak for yourself, needledick.
watertiger-
Maybe, but methinks she is the only one with a penis in the family.
You do realize you're going to hell, don't you, watertiger?
that is the problem with puppets. they have no penises.
or backbone
or brains
and the list continues.
puppets
We actually oppose them because they are facists like you. Clarence Thomas is not dividing the Democratic base, bring that guy into the Third Ward of Houston and he would not live long.
On a slightly different topic, you are a fine argument for abortion. You remind me of what a shame it is when siblings marry. Sometimes KILLING BABIES, as you people like to call it, is a Good Thing. (And I used the word 'people' very advisedly in your case).
mena,
going? i thought i was the landlord.
speaking of older women....
Eeeewwwwww.... Why do you hate us, Watertiger?
puppets not only stinks, but is dead wrong, as usual. home-schoolin', it's what's for trolls. the only way repigs get minorites on board is to pay them.
The problem with older women: gravity takes its toll.
Hahahaha! Yeah, my mother-in-law is 85. She looks great and her not insignificant boobs are still in place.
The problem with some older men?
They need Viagra, baby.
Sad really.
that is the problem with puppets. they have no penises.
Well you could probably get some penetration from Pinnochio, esp. if he lies as much as any generic repug.
Jesus Fucking Christ watertiger, why'd you have to go and do that?
Eli, I am willing to be your research partner in this Academic Quest for Knowledge. I have glasses and a clipboard, so we're set.
Please tell me you have a Sexy Labcoat? If not, I may need to apply for a grant.
I felt that way about the French in general, at least compared with the English. Wierd.
The old Franco-American love/hate relationship. Old, bickering lovers. It's cute.
Both states are insecure with their status in the world, imperial, idealistic and romantic, basically secular and classless, produce great art, film, etc. We love their food and joie de vivre, they love rock and roll and Brad Pitt.
We have more in common with them that we like to admit, and they us. What's the Statue of Liberty if not a French love letter that made this country swoon?
Well you could probably get some penetration from Pinnochio, esp. if he lies as much as any generic repug.
spinoza
yeah, if i was willing to sit on his face!
going? i thought i was the landlord.
watertiger
Well then, carry on!!
I would be willing to carry out a comprehensive study to settle this once and for all
I'm in - I've seen you.
Woohoo!!!
One impression I had was that French teenagers are more like theones here variety than the ones I have seen anywhere else
Better fed, though.
I love it!
Come for the trolling--stay for the sex talk!
"Well, gee, I meant to just post and run--but they were talkin' about which kinda women were the best lays and...and..."
Yippee ti yi yay!
speaking of older women....
watertiger
Are you saying the Echo in question results from yodeling in the valley? Plus, I'm staying the hell away from that 'Little' modifier. Must procure.. more brain floss..
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Please tell me you have a Sexy Labcoat
Eli
You mean like this?
Please tell me you have a Sexy Labcoat? If not, I may need to apply for a grant.
==
Worry not, impartially methodical one, princess seams and everything!
Um...is Beltane today or tomorrow?
You mean like this?
I think that's a different study altogether. Puppets is desperate to get in on that one.
Jesus Fucking Christ watertiger, why'd you have to go and do that?
(impish smile)
Worry not, impartially methodical one, princess seams and everything!
The what in the what now?
What's the Statue of Liberty if not a French love letter that made this country swoon?
Do you believe how this fucking asshole of a preznitwit and his stupid little peons in Congrss tried to slam the French because they wouldn't support this total debacle of a war?
Fuck you, georgie. Hell on earth, pardner. That's what I wish for you.
tsk tsk such unresolved anger! why so bitter and twisted, atriosians?
okay, off to see Hitchhiker's Guide.
And I'm taking my gravity-defying breasts with me.
Um...is Beltane today or tomorrow?
If you have the right state of mind or a lot of cash, every day is Beltane.
flory - hope you feel better soon. This has been a tough year for colds/flu.
Need to learn how to shut down our own personal mucus factory!!
SD
The what in the what now?
Aren't you a little old to be asking that?
And I'm taking my gravity-defying breasts with me.
D'oh!
Lucky hitchhikers.
I kind of a Francophile, meself. But I'm partial to this bit of fun from Love and Death:
Sergeant: Imagine your loved ones conquered by Napoleon and forced to live under French rule. Do you want them to eat that rich food and those heavy sauces?
Soldiers: No...!
Sergeant: Do you want them to have soufflé every meal and croissant?
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And I'm taking my gravity-defying breasts with me.
Mars bitches!
NTodd:
Beltane is tonight.
I've got a bonfire to jump over...
Aren't you a little old to be asking that?
Oh, so *that's* what "princess seams" are...
why so bitter and twisted, atriosians?
I dunno. Why are you so bitter and twisted? The Dark Side of The Force taking its toll on your already corrupt soul?
And I'm taking my gravity-defying breasts with me.
watertiger
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Rock on Landlady!
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The what in the what now?
Eli
==
NTodd would have gotten it.
Please tell me you have a Sexy Labcoat
Eli
You mean like this?
Arf!
/Arfur
And I'm taking my gravity-defying breasts with me.
Mars bitches!
Possibly the teenagers are Quebecois rather than French.
why so bitter and twisted, atriosians?
I dunno. Why are you so bitter and twisted? The Dark Side of The Force taking its toll on your already corrupt soul?
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 7:46 pm | #
heh, you guys are the ones freaking out :p
penis cracks and plays on screennames? is that what passes for snappy repartee on a librule board? I expected more :|
Possibly the teenagers are Quebecois rather than French.
Check to see if Premier Poutine is accompanying them.
why so bitter and twisted
sez puppets.
You're not gettin' any, are you, little man.
So sad.
Just remember, more than a handful is useless.
penis cracks and plays on screennames? is that what passes for snappy repartee on a librule board? I expected more :|
then why are you still here?
"It is Brown and Owen who represent mainstream opinion in this country."
--
Amen.
Why won't liberals just give up and admit nobody agrees with them or likes them?
You're not gettin' any, are you, little man.
So sad.
Only thing sadder would be if he *was*.
Is there a date set for EschaCon?
puppets, we aren't bitter and twisted. we just don't like you.
penis cracks and plays on screennames
I think you need some salve for that.
penis cracks
Hmm, sounds like a problem with chafing to me.
Liberals, you are on the wrong sie of history.
Is there a date set for EschaCon?
Labor Day weekend, in Philly.
http://eschacon.blogspot.com
hi Jenny from the Blog--
how is your new kitty?
Your freedom depends on men like Bush to defend it. When nobody defends your right to be anti-American, what will you do then?
why so bitter and twisted, atriosians?
"Why so pale and wan, fond lover?"
But that would be like a Roundhead riffing on Cavalier poetry - naw.
Voulez-vous couchez avec ma fromage?--Kinky Friedman
He ain't Kinky, he's my governor!
Your freedom depends on men like Bush to defend it
We're fucked to the trillionth power, then.
heh, you guys are the ones freaking out :p
I know you are, but what am I?
Your freedom depends on men like Bush to defend it. When nobody defends your right to be anti-American, what will you do then?
No, our freedom depends on men like Kerry to defend it. You know, people who actually respond to our nation's call, then commit themselves to service when they get back.
i took an extensive amount of french in school, i had it for about 6 years in middle and all through high school, and i took it for a year in college.
i've been to quebec and have never understood a word they've ever said there.
i also met up with some french people from france when i went to the islands a while back, and i understood them perfectly.
and although they probably did a lot of wincing on the inside, they were gracious enough to speak with me in their language.
unlike the folks in kaybec. they spoke only english to me because my french is/was pretty painful to the ear.
if ever there was a guy who selected a perfect nickname it is puppet.
he/it stays right on message-like, well, a puppet.
who is pulling them strings puppetboy?
uncle karl??????
He ain't Kinky, he's my governor!
san antone rose
==
As Kinky himself said, how hard can it be?
Liberals, you are on the wrong sie of history.
May I axe, does anyone have some mace? Trolls really seem to be flailing about today. It's really sworded.
When nobody defends your right to be anti-American, what will you do then?
WTF?
Been to a Bush rally lately?
The problem with older women: gravity takes its toll.
puppets
Just this once I will break my No Troll Feeding rule: You, sir, are an idiot. You know not of what you speak. So why don't you just toddle off and have your mom make you some mac and cheese. Your poopy diaper is stinking up the joint.
Older women rock.
When nobody defends your right to be anti-American, what will you do then?
Freedom Is Not Free
Sounds like a certain holocaust fan needs to brush up on its Bill of Rights. Read. Enjoy. Learn stuff.
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who is pulling them strings puppetboy?
Well, given the string, "puppet" is ok, but I think a better name for this troll would be tampon.
I just got my new issue of Rolling Stone [yeah, I'm old, fuck off] and I have to read this about Larry the Cable Guy:
Describing Michael Moore as "three M&M's away from holy shit!" gets a better one.
Then he does a double-take: He spots something behind him. "Aw, those are my shadows," he says, relieved. "I thought a couple black guys were sneaking up behind me." Huge laugh.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/
story/_/id/7277749?pageid=rs.
NewsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion
Lovely.
I'm glad racist humor is popular across the god-fearing red-states.
(fake)Jesus loving fucksticks.
penis cracks
Hmm, sounds like a problem with chafing to me.
I recommend Jergens...
oui, oui.
Thanks, Eli! For some reason I thought it was Memorial Day.
Her Eyes - Oh my. That little kitty is just blossoming. For the first few days he couldn't even lift his head to look at me and when my cat approached him, gingerly, he would just get really small. He's had such a hard time in his life that he has no fight in him and is just expecting the worst.
But this morning, as a matter of fact, he woke up and shone his big green eyes up at me in gratitude for the good food and the attention I'm heaping on him. I think every day is going to bring another small miracle.
Touching him is a mystical experience.
*
I wonder if puppets is made out of rapier machete?
i've been to quebec and have never understood a word they've ever said there.
I appears the Quebecois don't seem to be able to communicate with the French and vice versa.
penis cracks
Hmm, sounds like a problem with chafing to me.
I recommend Jergens...
NTodd-Well, Jergens may be ok, but I would recommend Jeff Gannon.
Liberals got the hotter actors that's for sure.
Repugs got Schwazensteroid and Ron Silver.
Carpbasman - touche!
Jenny--so glad your kitty is blossoming. he needed someone just like you to care for and nurture him.
have you chosen a name yet?
I haven't found a name for him yet. He's black, very exotic looking, with large green eyes. He looks like a panther. I think he may be a Burmese.
I was toying with the name "Narayan" but, I don't know. It's kind of bulky.
If anyone has a good panther like name to suggest, I'm all ears!
*
JennyftB-
Glad to hear your cat is doing well. I may get a companion for mine, but since her previous owner declawed her, I will need to find another declawed cat to match.
her eyes -
wow. I posted mine before I read yours. We're freakily connected sometimes.
If anyone has a good panther like name to suggest, I'm all ears!
Bagheera?
how about baghera?
There is a bit in Marjane Satrapi's Persepolis mentioning mammary gravity defiance with ten-minute localized icewater baths, on waking and on retiring. Wouldn't this give you pneumonia?
I had a black cat that reminded me of a panther. I named it Panter.
wow. we are all eerily connected.
Conservative celebs: Shannon Doherty. Bo Derek. That skank on CNN who's sucking Rush Limbaugh's dick.
Stupid liberal sensitive fags talking about kitties, but making fun of abortion and the people Saddam killed.
Bagheera. I have never. ever. heard that word. What the hell is it? * I kinda like it, actually.
Bagheera. I have never. ever. heard that word. What the hell is it? * I kinda like it, actually.
The panther in The Jungle Book.
Moonbats - I have to say ciao. We're getting ready to start a DVD.
NTodd, RMJ - Mr. Tena took a pretty decent picture. I'll upload it and try to link it tomorrow.
So sweet dreams. (wry smile) you know the picture is the end of the fantasy. Or is it just the beginning of the real fantasy?
Hey, maybe I'll name him mammary gravity defiance -- it has a certain ring to it
We really should stay en garde for trolls, they seem to keep them pretty well staffed. Oh well, what katana guy do?
'night Tena! have a great evening.
The panther in The Jungle Book.
Oooh. Interesting. Yes, I'll ask him how he feels about that one. Thanks, guys.
Stupid liberal sensitive fags talking about kitties, but making fun of abortion and the people Saddam killed.
1) We don't make fun of abortion. We recognize it is intensely personal and want it to be safe, rare and legal.
2) We don't make fun of the people Saddam killed. Bush, however, makes fun of the people he killed.
Touching him is a mystical experience.
*
Jenny from the ßlog •
Oh, Jenny! how wonderful.
Bagheera is the panther from Kipling's the Jungle Book.
My best kitties, apart from Cecil the maine coon, who was in a class by hinself, have all been all-black boys. Everything about them is magical. Lucky you.
"Both states are insecure with their status in the world, imperial, idealistic and romantic, basically secular and classless, produce great art, film, etc. We love their food and joie de vivre, they love rock and roll and Brad Pitt.
We have more in common with them that we like to admit, and they us. What's the Statue of Liberty if not a French love letter that made this country swoon?"
Touche'! : )
That is too true for words. Their pride runs every bit as high as ours.
As for who the most beautiful women are, I was floored by how nice looking the women were in Kentucky while I was there for the Kentucky Derby. When you get right down to it though, I think Al Pacino summed it up best in "Scent of a Woman" when he was talking about how women were made - "God was a f*cking genius."
Just my two cents.
Enjoy, Tena!
Your freedom depends on men like Bush to defend it
So he snorts coke and goes AWOL. Yeah, we're screwed if our freedom depends on that fu$#-up.
We really should stay en garde for trolls, they seem to keep them pretty well staffed. Oh well, what katana guy do?
Depends on whether you'd rather cut more or cutlass.
But yeah, it's probably epees to foil them as often as possible.
I'll bet that they are all shiny and glowing with youth. And smell very fresh.
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So Freedom: Older women with smoker's voices and laugh-lines around their eyes or younger women who scowl and talk about Henry Miller and George Sand?
Thai take-out and Miles Davis on the stereo? or pasta salad and fresh bread, with Mozart?
Which works more often?
So sweet dreams. (wry smile) you know the picture is the end of the fantasy. Or is it just the beginning of the real fantasy?
It is just the beginning of a great adventure...
"I had a black cat that reminded me of a panther. I named it Panter."
--spinoza
I once had a black cat and I named him Pablo. I was in college and into Picasso.
I love black cats.
As for who the most beautiful women are, I was floored by how nice looking the women were in Kentucky while I was there for the Kentucky Derby.
Paging bigvic...
But yeah, it's probably epees to foil them as often as possible.
Eli
I understand the thrust of your assertion, but I don't practice it parry well.
mena -
I've never had a black cat before. This one seems to have very slow and deliberate movements, very panther-like. I wonder if that's common with the black ones in general? Or maybe it's the Burmese in him.
I do love the name Bagheera. What would I do without you peeps, anyway?!
"go for the
older woman.
just sayin'.
hear hear.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 7:06 pm | # "
The older men should not be dismissed, either. The blush of youth is one thing, but knowledge and experience are priceless.
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um ok.
There is a bit in Marjane Satrapi's Persepolis mentioning mammary gravity defiance with ten-minute localized icewater baths, on waking and on retiring. Wouldn't this give you pneumonia?
wootette | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 8:04 pm | #
No, but it would make me pretty fucking crabby, there by reducing the likeliehood of access being granted.
The older men should not be dismissed, either
word.
Freedom - Are you finished flinging poo yet?
You know, that's how apes dispute things - by flinging shit. I know that people of your low intellect think it's the height of wit and hilarity to watch monkeys throw excrement at one another, but I'm not aware of any problem, issue, or disagreement it has ever solved.
Besides, when your targets duck and dodge, the only one who ends up with shit on him is the flingee. That would be you, bro.
So perhaps you'll understand why we don't all genuflect in awe of your brilliance - we just can't stop snickering long enough at the poo you've got smeared all over your hands to muster up sufficient awe.
The older men should not be dismissed, either
I too would hate to be dismissed. I like my miss very much.
But yeah, it's probably epees to foil them as often as possible.
Eli
You and Carpbasman are razor-sharp tonight. I can't compete so I'll just say Fuchi Bushido! Ha!
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Paging bigvic...
Eli |
bigvic?
There's a certain scimitarry to cutting more and foiling often. I certainly sabre a good troll bashing.
Atrios is going to France?
Do you think he'll read the Paris Business Review while he's there?
According to Bill O'Reilly the economy there has collapsed.
mena--
Jenny--
i have two black ones. you've all seen shadow, but my other one, he is part siamese i think. he is very antisocial with the other kitties, and does NOT like having his picture taken.
bigvic?
Kentucky Atriette.
As for who the most beautiful women are, I was floored by how nice looking the women were in Kentucky while I was there for the Kentucky Derby.
I am a woman, so I don't know if my taste in other women counts, but some of the most gorgeous American women I have ever seen are the Cajun women from the Lafayette area--dark dark hair, flawless skin and incredibly gorgeous blue or gray or violet eyes. Suzanne Malveaux (CNN? MSNBC?) has that look. When I first moved to New Orleans, the girl who lived upstairs from me was from Lafayette and I was just in awe of how beautiful she was.
According to Bill O'Reilly the economy there has collapsed.
Really? They must have the mother of all booms going on, then.
black cats are entirely Lovecraftian to us: we suggest Kuranes, the dream-wanderer from "Iranon."
trolls...dey cocksukas...and eat poo...
my pigs eat dem!
bigvic?
Kentucky Atriette.
Eli |
Gotcha...
No, but it would make me pretty fucking crabby, there by reducing the likeliehood of access being granted.
genoasail |
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Pittsburgh has surprisingly attractive women. I never would have expected it, really...
Liberals got the hotter actors that's for sure.
Repugs got Schwazensteroid and Ron Silver.
Ann Coulter's boyfriend Ron Silver is on C-SPAN right now. I think I'd rather study than listen to him whine.
HoneyBear ... ONe night Hecate and I did a whole "Hot/Liberal" thing, e.g.,
George Clooney: hot, liberal
Tim Robbins: hot, liberal
Paul Newman: hot, liberal
Feel free to add to the list ...
"yeah, if i was willing to sit on his face!
her eyes"
haha...too funny.
Suzanne Malveaux (CNN? MSNBC?) has that look.
She is beautiful. Too bad she works for CNN and the Empire.
I'm pretty sure Kathy Lee Gifford is a Republican.
And she's hot, right, Freedom?
(snicker)
of course, ma has the most beautiful women in the world. and the most liberal.
just sayin'
"I am a woman, so I don't know if my taste in other women counts..."
If a woman says something nice about other women, that carrys more weight than anything!
I must say that the troll were rather trident today. Stilleto, its a good thing Ted hasn't been around shilately.
HoneyBear ... ONe night Hecate and I did a whole "Hot/Liberal" thing...
For a second I thought...never mind.
i've been to quebec and have never understood a word they've ever said there.
Too late, but I made the Poutine connexion so it's fair. My French teacher, Mme. Odile Paget, de Paris, temporarily exiled to US Grant High School, actually sneered and then threw out of class a poor guy who'd just arrived from Quebec, from Montreal, thinking he spoke French. He was mistaken. He was shamed. He was held up to all the ridicule it is possible for a red-haired Parisienne to muster. All I remember, truly was her spitting words like 'Patois' and 'Fol' and 'Stupid'. I don't think she enjoyed his Quebecois version of la belle langue.... Moi, de Calgary, I kept my mouth shut.
i think we should keep talking cat-speak.
the trools seem to loathe it.
Ron Silver was never more than a B-grade character actor.
And now he's a winger, and has Ann Coulter's dick in his mouth probably right at this minute.
her eyes - he sounds like Larrabbee, my half-siamese-if-you-please who was born on Father's Day in 1978 and lived for twenty years. Larrabbee wasn't mean to the others, but everyone knew to keep they're distance, and show proper respect.
And they're smart.
ta pa da ka
ti pi di ki
to po do co
tu pu du cu.
I do love the name Bagheera."
come here-a, Bagheera.
Kuranes - Lovely. Thanks, Kei & Yuri.
The sheep over at the old Harrington place have long eye-lashes and supple wool.
"Suzanne Malveaux (CNN? MSNBC?) has that look."
very hot. yum-a-licious.
Feel free to add to the list ...
Res Ipsa Loquitor
For the guys, chalk up Cameron Diaz and Susan Sarandon (also fits with the hot older women theme). And Janeane Garafalo.. mmm..
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Back to politics - what is the latest on the "Nuclear Option"? Are they going to go through with it?
You know what kind of women I like?
I like the kind of women that will go out with ME.
black cats are entirely Lovecraftian to us: we suggest Kuranes, the dream-wanderer from "Iranon."
kei & yuri
In the Lovecraft story "The Rats In the Walls", there was a black cat named "N*ggerman", but that one's RIGHT out.
My old black cat was named "Portia", my newer one is "Mehitabel"...
I really shouldn't be punning, I'm just trying to shield myself from Secured Transactions. I wonder how much wingnut plate mail Atrios gets in a day. I halberd the slightest idea.
Larrabbee wasn't mean to the others, but everyone knew to keep they're distance,
my two black ones hate each other. shadow will allow all the others to step on him, eat his food, steal his bed, etc., but if the other black one even looks at him, it is "hiss, growl and spat." this in turn, has soured the other black one on all the other kitties and he just turns his nose up at them.
he is the only one, however, who will play with you and not scratch you, or bite you, at least he won't bite too hard.
my newer one is "Mehitabel"...
MisterX
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Do you have a cockroach named Archy to go with?
The birds in my backyard are hungry, even though it's spring. I keep throwing sunflower seeds on the ground for them. Of course, the squirrel join in too. I love to look out the window while I'm working and see those lovely creatures.
OT: 23:52 London. British Prime Minister Tony Blair agreed in July 2002 to the participation of the UK in the invasion of Iraq led by the United States, according to a Foreign Office memorandum leaked to the Sunday Times.
The publication of the secret document will provide more ammunition to Mr. Blair's enemies just before the legislative elections next week.
The Prime Minister and his advisors discussed the question of the invasion of Iraq on 23 July 2002 during a foreign intelligence meeting presided by Sir Richard Dearlove. The memo says "military action under consideration by Washington is now inevitable. We should, in principle, act to engage the United Kingdom in this action.
"The CDS (Admiral Michael Boyce) should inform the US military that we are studying a series of options"... Admiral Boyce should prepare all the details necessary concerning the British military contribution."
Back to politics - what is the latest on the "Nuclear Option"? Are they going to go through with it?
Unclear, but they probably will. Frist and the Evil Ones have too much face at stake now. BTW, here's the radio address Cuomo gave today on the subject.
I had a very small, impish-faced black cat that I wanted to call Puck.
Then I thought of how it might sound when I was calling her into the house.
She was called named Ella Fitzgerald instead, usually shortened to Miss Ella.
(I once proposed putting a rifle's nest on our college library to take out the gaggles of French schoolkids chattering outside while we were revising.) pseudonymous in nc - 6:55 pm
That is so WGG!
um ok.
Older women, older men.
I think it was Ben Franklin who said that all cats are grey in the dark, and the older ones are more grateful.
Beltane is tomorrow, May 1. The church stole it from us for the Month of Mary and the Soviets stole it from the church for Workers Day. Find a maypole and dance!
I really shouldn't be punning, I'm just trying to shield myself from Secured Transactions. I wonder how much wingnut plate mail Atrios gets in a day. I halberd the slightest idea.
Man, there's a real opportunity to work breastworks into this thread, but I think I'll pass on it.
My mother used to have a black cat she called Max who passed away.
She now has a second black cat, guess what she calls it?
Find a maypole and dance!
Find a parade honoring workers and march!
Find a maypole and dance!
So do we get to do it nekkid?
Do you have a cockroach named Archy to go with?
mena
But of course! My mom read me those stories when I was about ten... I still have the books right here on my shelf!
OK, dammit, I know this is long, but...
the song of mehitabel
By Don Marquis, in "archy and mehitabel," 1927
this is the song of mehitabel
of mehitabel the alley cat
as i wrote you before boss
mehitabel is a believer
in the pythagorean
theory of the transmigration
of the soul and she claims
that formerly her spirit
was incarnated in the body
of cleopatra
that was a long time ago
and one must not be
surprised if mehitabel
has forgotten some of her
more regal manners
i have had my ups and downs
but wotthehell wotthehell
yesterday sceptres and crowns
fried oysters and velvet gowns
and today i herd with bums
but wotthehell wotthehell
i wake the world from sleep
as i caper and sing and leap
when i sing my wild free tune
wotthehell wotthehell
under the blear eyed moon
i am pelted with cast off shoon
but wotthehell wotthehell
do you think that i would change
my present freedom to range
for a castle or moated grange
wotthehell wotthehell
cage me and i d go frantic
my life is so romantic
capricious and corybantic
and i m toujours gai toujours gai
i know that i am bound
for a journey down the sound
in the midst of a refuse mound
but wotthehell wotthehell
oh i should worry and fret
death and i will coquette
there s a dance in the old dame yet
toujours gai toujours gai
i once was an innocent kit
wotthehell wotthehell
with a ribbon my neck to fit
and bells tied onto it
o wotthehell wotthehell
but a maltese cat came by
with a come hither look in his eye
and a song that soared to the sky
and wotthehell wotthehell
and i followed adown the street
the pad of his rhythmical feet
o permit me again to repeat
wotthehell wotthehell
my youth i shall never forget
but there s nothing i really regret
wotthehell wotthehell
there s a dance in the old dame yet
toujours gai toujours gai
the things that i had not ought to
i do because i ve gotto
wotthehell wotthehell
and i end with my favorite motto
toujours gai toujours gai
boss sometimes i think
that our friend mehitabel
is a trifle too gay
Sorry about the space, but I really like his stuff...
Her eyes - shadow doesn't want to be lower on the totem pole than the new one. He's the new baby, Still, it sounds as though he needs protecting. When I've had similar situations, I've found that massive, ongoing doses of reassurance can help, but you gotta have the time and the inclination.
Does the new little one have relatively big paws?
My mother used to have a black cat she called Max who passed away.
She now has a second black cat, guess what she calls it?
Snowball?
You know what kind of women I like?
I like the kind of women that will go out with ME.
Central Scrutinizer
They do have a certain je ne sais quoi, don't they?
I want to see our Stringey, for a little black cat...
She now has a second black cat, guess what she calls it?
carpbasman?
Jenny I'm glad your new kitty is doing so well. I was going to suggest the name href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arjuna">Arjuna but Bagheera is cool.
Other hot liberals:
Alec Baldwin
Bruce Springsteen
John Edwards
Susan Sarandon
Dave Matthews
Snowball?
Betamax.
damn I fucked up the tags as usual.
Sorry.
Then I thought of how it might sound when I was calling her into the house.
I had a friend years ago that had a dog he named "digger", because he loved to dig. He ended up changing his name to Deogee (D-O-G) after an interesting encounter with some kids in his neighborhood.
Other hot liberals:
my husband
Until a woman reaches her 30s you don't know whether you're attracted by her beauty or just her youth.
The birds in my backyard are hungry, even though it's spring. I keep throwing sunflower seeds on the ground for them. Of course, the squirrel join in too. I love to look out the window while I'm working and see those lovely creatures.
mer |
mer, I now have American Goldfinches!!! Bright yellow critters, gorgeous.
Sitting on front porch watching/feeding birds & squirrels is my slice of heaven on earth.
SD
carpbasman?
Nah, that's what the father of a childhood friend used to call me.
Mr. X: Actually, Lovecraft grew up with a cat named "Nigger;" he also wrote in his newsletter, the Conservative, that the great tragedy of the First World War was that the Teutonic and Anglo-Saxon races, the purest of the pure, were destroying eachother when they could be cooperating to conquer the Earth together. Of course he got swept up like Anaïs Nin in insipid anti-German "bayonet toss" nonsense, but later he really came out of it, married a nice Jewish girl named Sonia and demonstrated what she talked about as tolerance in particular and bigotry only in the abstract.
nite bats! hugs to everyone
She was called named Ella Fitzgerald instead, usually shortened to Miss Ella.
That before Eartha.
Alright, nose to the grindstone. Later winged lunar rodents.
Sarah Deere, I wake up early now to read Eschaton--before I start to make the almighty dollar to pay the bills. You and others here make me feel it's okay to still be an American.
Alright, nose to the grindstone.
Doesn't that hurt?
So do we get to do it nekkid?
Mais oui! Le mot juste est "skyclad."
Honeybear - Arjuna is a really fine name!
Here's an Indian (dots not feathers) poem I just found:
See the cat of the clouds, lapping on high
With flashing tongue
the moon-milk from the sky.
From Sanskrit poem by Yogesvara
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"I like the kind of women that will go out with ME."
Yes, the ones that find me attractive, intelligent and sexy I know have good taste. Even if they are lying.
While I like a woman with good taste, it's more important they taste good
Mais oui! Le mot juste est "skyclad."
Sounds good, if that means we get to do it nekkid... 
nite her eyes.
pie - yep, Miss Ella was 3 cats ago.
Then there was Gabby (decided she wanted to retire in calmer surroundings and left her people she'd been with 8 years to move in my place), then Hairy (who was not very smart, especially about the street), now Eartha.
Jenny from the Blog, maybe your cat is part Bombay? They were deliberately "designed" to look like panthers.
I have had two: Pandora and Tabitha.
They are the most amazing kitties.
I also have a cat named Gabby.
Does the new little one have relatively big paws?
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Jenny, that should have been addressed to you.
And Toujours gai, misterX!
Here's an Indian (dots not feathers) poem I just found...
(im)c-a-t(mo) / b,i;l: e
eecummings
Somehow my bandwidth held up to the end of this thread so I can actually post (amazing)
I'd just like to say (from the point of view of an aging celibate male whose sexual experience is probably comparable to that of the pope) that it seems to me that any woman who makes a serious effort to look good succeeds
(As the lady said, "You've either been in the monastery too long or not long enough.")
Prior A - I think I understand why many monks brew beer...
Prior Aelred,
You are so sweet.
Liberals. You have no concept of the sacrifices needed to keep our nation free.
Jesus, don't turn on CNN - "runaway bride" is still the top story. They even have a correspondent on the flight on her way home.
Why do our media hate America?
You have no concept of the sacrifices needed to keep our nation free.
I'd love to hear you tell me more, say...over drinks?
JftB,
My first, most wonderful cat was a black cat with green eyes, whose mother was a sealpoint Siamese and whose father was...maybe...the Burmese down the block. (Morning Wild, his mother, who had just had some bliss with her companion, Husky, another sealpoint, escaped for only 20 minutes, but had a split litter of two black w/green eyes, two tiger-striped with yellow eyes, and a perfect sealpoint with blue eyes--she was a busy girl).
My kitty's name was Jude, after the Beatles song. The children of the family who gave him to me named him.
He lived 19 years, 8 months, and 1 day, until he had to be put down, for his own sake. That was on Older Daughter Soprano's second birthday. She loved him, too. She used to take naps with her head on his tummy as a pillow. He loved that and would purr her to sleep.
He also chose Mr. Soprano for me.
Words cannot express how much I loved that cat.
Your new kitten is lucky to have you, and you to have him. Hold him and pet him a lot. It'll help him live longer.
Poor runaway bride. She'll find that facing 600 wedding guests is nothing compared to dealing with the media.
Fred Astaire is singing "The Way You Look Tonight" on TCM
Jennifer, my earlier comment to you about your day never made it. (Helloscan is a cruel mistress or male stupidity. I'm going with the latter.)
Anyway, nice to see you.
Night, all. Have a good one.
That's right Mr Free. Liberals have never had to whether the trauma of having their gardner called up for duty with the National Guard. If they did, they'd understand how much we've sacrificed to ensure that brown people receive punishment for their swarthiness.
weather
"I'd love to hear you tell me more, say...over drinks?"
--NTodd
I think we are closer to "A Boy and His Dog" than drinks. Although, I would perfer drinks.
Wapo:
North Korea lashed out today at President Bush for comments he made about the nation's leader at a news conference Thursday and said the North Korean nuclear crisis will never be resolved while Bush remains in office.
Bush is "a half-baked man in terms of morality and a philistine whom we can never deal with," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, according to North Korea's official KCNA news agency. The statement described Bush as the "world's dictator" who as president had "turned the world into a sea of blood."
[snip]
North Korea's Communist government portrays Kim as a near-deity, and the North Korean statement said it could not ignore such "slandering and cursing remarks." The statement noted that "no one can expect to hear reasonable words from Bush, once a cowboy at a ranch in Texas. His remarks often stun audiences as they reveal his utter ignorance."
Sweet! A parody troll. It must be the same guy (presumably) who always uses moronic, repetitive names like "Free lover of American freedom." You should get some kind of prize, really. I can't take much more cat-talk.
Avital -
I just looked up the Bombay cat. You know, I think my un-named kitty is one of those! Same eyes and expression. It's hard to tell yet, because he's still so messed up and skinny -- when he fills out a bit it will be most interesting to see what he becomes...
You have no concept of the sacrifices needed to keep our nation free.
Freedom Is Not Free
Hey, should we let Ba'al handle this one?
Remember, batties - Man-Thing comin' up on SciFi at the top of the hour!
Whatever knows fear.. burns at the Man-Thing's touch! Methinks ole' "Freedom's Just Fer Murkans What Thinks Like Me" would be char patties in no time flat.
Hmmm.. sacrifices.. fire.. hotties.. there's something Jungian goin' on around here. What it is, ain't exactly clear.
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Tybalt, the rat-catcher and king of cats...
I think we are closer to "A Boy and His Dog" than drinks. Although, I would perfer drinks.
I wouldn't want to eat him, that's fer sher.
JftB,
When Mr. Soprano was a child, his family had a black cat named Snowball.
Also, Mr. Soprano had a black cat named Ace when he was in grad school. (Mr. Soprano was in grad school--not the cat! Ace was a terrific hunter, but not much on writing papers.)
I'd never heard of Bombay cats. Now, I really want one! But Miss Thing would pee on the carpet something terrible if she found out that she's not the only cat in the world.
There is new Frank Rich up at NYTimes.com.
I think it's great that CNN has aired at least an hour of non-stop runaway bride coverage and hasn't even mentioned the "interrogatuion" shows the Defense Department put on for visiting politicians at Gitmo.
Hmmm.. sacrifices.. fire.. hotties.. there's something Jungian goin' on around here. What it is, ain't exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun over there.
Tellin' me, I've got to beware.
So how did Snowball react to Mr. Soprano's ducks?
pre, per, who the hell cares when I've had three glasses of wine? Not me.
Stop, French girls, what's that sound?
Who's the guy between Laura and POTUS? He looks like Leiberman, but its not....
Stop, French girls, what's that sound?
John Savage
Wheels of brie are nice and round..
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Tout le monde look what's going down.
Stop, French girls, what's that sound?
John Savage
Wheels of brie are nice and round..
Piaf makes a lovely sound.
CSN in French?
je ne suis pas une 'teenager', ou une ronde de brie, mais il est necessaire que je departe, maintainant. A demain, chers. Dormez-bien.
(Ou est la champagne? Ou est les peches? Donnez-moi, vite!)
I guess it's time to administer the screen cleaner once again....
i think it is the only nationality that is a verb and an adjective.
in this we can all be grateful for the verb, at least.
here's to good frenching all around
I'll be back later, with video catblogging. That's a threat and a promise.
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heh heh heh ... Rich:
But what's given the Schiavo case resonance beyond the Schiavo story itself is that it crystallized the bigger picture of Olympian arrogance and illiberalism on the right. The impulse that led conservatives to intervene in a family's bitter debate over a feeding tube is the same one that makes them turn a debate over a Senate rule on filibusters into a litmus test of spiritual correctness. Surely no holier-than-thou Hollywood pontificator could be harder to take than the sanctimonious Bill Frist, who, unlike Barbra Streisand, can't even sing.
meow
Alright, nose to the grindstone.
Doesn't that hurt?
Studying Article 9 certainly is painful.
Wheels of brie are nice and round..
They're big and round,
They're all around.
They're big and round,
They're all around.
...Bill Frist, who, unlike Barbra Streisand, can't even sing.
Stop, now what's that sound?
Jenny from the ßlog •
Granted this is a bit late, but Bagheera is a nice name.
My mother is in the scout movement (she is a cub leader) and her cub name is Bagheera.
plus some photos of my beloved kittens (who I miss a lot while I am at University)
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hope you wonderful atrios people enjoy!
why so bitter and twisted
sez puppets.
You're not gettin' any, are you, little man.
So sad.
pie | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 7:49 pm | #
Dude, I'm a musician, I get more ass than the toilet seat. Sure, _some_ are skanks, but hey, you do what you can I'm no prize pig me own self :D I'm always amazed when a girl wants to sleep with me, and the lovely women who I have deigned to give it up to a mutt like me. (like Groucho said, I don't want to belong to any club that would let me in, kinda like that).
I also have a high tolerance for getting shot down, probably in the 95% failure range, but I always beeline it for the prettiest girl in the club regardless, I've never been shy or had problem talking to girls (that's half the battle right there), I'm gregarious and slightly glib and I think kinda funny in a corny, self-deprecating way, sometimes we click, and I do thank God for that other 5% that doesn't tell me to fuck off.
I figure, every time I take a shot I increase my chances at success exponentially, as that Beautiful Mind guy said :D
Anyway I have a great girlfriend now so my whoredog days are over, but yeah, I was a hound in my younger days. (no, she's not a sock puppet)
If you want to hurl, check out Scott Shane's mash note to strong man Bolton.
"John Bolton, the U.N. nominee, is a conservative among conservatives who has long embraced the role of contrarian."
Apparently, "contrarian" is code-speak for "kiss-up, kick-down asshole."
That's the dadburn librul NYT for ya. Funny sidenote, they've got the Florida picture that Putzmold was having a fit about, insisting that it had to be photoshopped.
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I bet the sheriff ends up hooking up with the blonde chick who kicked him in the nuts.
Yes, I'm assuming we're liveblogging the Man-Thing...
Fielding ...
I was just about to put up the headline on that P.O.S.:
Never Shy, Bolton Brings a Zeal to the Table.
Eff the TIMES.
WOW
Totally off the subject here, but it just dawned on me....
If Mister George W Bush Junior now has the lowest approval ratings of any second term in the last 50 years, then that must mean his Shiavo Nite-Flite was more unpopular than a a stained blue dress.
Can we Impeach Now, Pleeeeease....
moonbootica,
The gray kitty has amazing eyes! I've never seen anything quite like them.
Well, hell.
Why *aren't* we liveblogging Man-Thing?
I just ran a bunch of names by the kitty and this is the one he responded to, with a tilt of his head and a look of recognition in his beautiful eyes. And the winner is......
Purusha.
He sees every single thing in the universe, but he has no eyes. Not the slightest sound, nor the faintest whisper occurring throughout the entire cosmos escapes his acute sense of hearing, but he has no ears. He is all wise, all knowing, but there's not a person around who knows too much of anything at all about him.
Maybe it's the purrrr sound in the name but he does really like it.
Soprano, what a wonderful story. Thank you so much for that.
moonbootica - Your cat pix are beautiful and inspiring, as usual!
And Hecate... "Miss Thing". HA HA!
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Why *aren't* we liveblogging Man-Thing?
Fuck, I didn't get the memo.
Central Scrutinizer don't let those cute eyes fool you lol she is a cheeky minx, when she does get over affectionate she usually nibbles fingers.
George and Heidi can both scale the kitchen now, since they are bigger and stronger.
George is a hoover, eats everything in site, and he wonders why he ends up feeling not very good! lol
James (Spongedob) and the Giant (Im)Peach...
Chimpy no!!!!
Democracy si!!!!
The blue dress is nothing compared to the magic debate hump...
If your kitty is a Bombay, prepare for a remarkable feline experience. They are incredible. They are more intrusive than most cats, but in a sweet way.
Most of them, even part Bombays, are obsessed with sparkle balls. I know many cats enjoy them, but Bombays should have a support group to deal with this. Tabitha also loves my keeshond, (like giant pomeranians) the only one of my four cats who can cope with her.
Heidi is a Lilac Burmese.
From an online profile of The Heap, 40s Golden Age predecessor of both Swamp Thing *and* Man Thing...
History: Baron von Emmelman was a WWI flying ace who was shot down over a swamp. Somehow he survived the crash, only to be transformed into a bog monster.
Powers/Abilities: Bog monster.
The blue dress is nothing compared to the magic debate hump...
Or the male whore inside the White House!
I bet the sheriff ends up hooking up with the blonde chick who kicked him in the nuts.
Yes, I'm assuming we're liveblogging the Man-Thing...
Eli
I bet the sheriff hooks up with the bearded guy in the hat. Whoops, not on Bravo, so maybe not.
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Burmeses are a great breed, very affectionate and have a mellow personality.
Burmeses are very trusting cats, in fact thats why some owners don't let them out otherwise they usually end up in a van or car cause they are full of trust.
Abyssians are lovely too! different and more imperial but George (the kitten not the dummy who leads America) is a big old softy at heart!
Most of them, even part Bombays, are obsessed with sparkle balls.
A 12-step sparkle ball program! I'll put Purusha on the waiting list...
I bet the sheriff hooks up with the bearded guy in the hat. Whoops, not on Bravo, so maybe not.
What a great intro for that guy.
"Can I help you?"
"Nope. (grabs sheriff's arm, looks intense and wild) But I can help *you*."
My stepgranddad used to breed show Burmese. Gorgeous. Looked like seals.
Is anyone else watching 'Man-Thing,' or am I the last cultural derelict here?
Well, hell, I should read the damn blog first
moonbootica,
Is George an Abyssinian? He's very handsome.
Eli,
Yup. The blonde and the sherriff.
Oh, sweet. I am *all over* the 40-foot mummy movie on the 14th.
Satellite Recorded Checkpoint Shooting
Maybe I'm the only one who missed it, but CBS News aired a report Thursday evening, discussed here by AFP, that the fatal encounter between the vehicle taking Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena to the Baghdad airport and American soldiers at a highway checkpoint was recorded by a satellite. American investigators relied on the recording in exonerating the soldiers who fired on the speeding vehicle.
Ms. Sgrena has said that the vehicle approached the checkpoint at around 30 mph, and the soldiers fired without warning. The satellite recording apparently shows that the car was traveling in excess of 60 mph. The AFP description of the recording is ambiguous, but seems to say that the soldiers saw the vehicle when it was 137 yards away--I haven't seen any explanation of how one can tell from the recording hwen the soldiers saw the car--and opened fire when it was 46 yards away from the checkpoint. If that is correct, the car would have reached the checkpoint in around a second and a half. So it seems hard to criticize the soldiers for concluding they couldn't wait any longer for the car to start slowing down.
And, I baked carrot cake while here in Phoenix...lots of carrot cake. Who wants?
puppets -
Why the hell are you still here?!
FUCK OFF YOU ASSHOLE.
And, I baked carrot cake while here in Phoenix...lots of carrot cake. Who wants?
*wave frantically*
frank rich is good:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/0.../01rich.html?
hp
Central Scrutinizer - yep George is an Abyssinian.
sallyh, pull up a chair!
This looks really, *really* bad.
Why the hell are you still here?!
FUCK OFF YOU ASSHOLE.
You just be grateful that *you* don't have to be an apologist for murder and evil.
Eli--lots of carrot cake for you. Hope you like cream cheese icing.
Now what the hell is this about a missing bride?
Hey, I did a parody of Man-Thing for Marvel's "What The--?" comic.
It contains one of my best lines:
"Kids! Don't try this at home unless nobody's around to stop you."
Related: My friend Al Weiss won a Wizard poll for "Most Suggestively Titled Comic" with his wonderful Steelgrip Starkey and the All-Purpose Power Tool.
I congratulated him, but I said that Giant-Size Man-Thing had it beat.
He had to agree with me.
puppets: more fuel for your argument here.
Central--this movie could be so bad, it's good. I need sufficient cast devourage, however.
moonbootica- thanks for the catblogging. I made my sig. other come in from watching TV to check them out.
I guess it's time to administer the screen cleaner once again....
Awwww, regardez le chat mignon...
Bombay Cats: "These cats have the Burmese purrsonality, which means they are very laid back, friendly, intelligent, and people oriented. Some owners describe them as "lap fungus" or "velcro" because they always want to be close to their people.{ As shown above } They will get along with most dogs and other breeds of cats. Because Bombays are so highly domesticated, they will not do well outside."
Moonbootica, George and Heidi are adorable, as usual. I've never been interested in abyssians before, but George just may make me a convert.
JftB, how did you come to be acquired by Purusha?
maybe the bride should of run off to Iraq *shrugs*
Now what the hell is this about a missing bride?
Hey now, just because I chose *not* to marry....
sallyh -
If you can stand it, check out the front page on CNN.com right now. The *bride* has her head covered with a ridiculously huge bright orange and royal blue blanket (how tacky).
Don't they make special head coverings just for these special occasions?
Puppets--if you'd have bothered to have read the Guardian, Le Monde and Le Figaro, you'd have gotten a very different take on the Sgrena story, one which seems to be more grounded in reality.
This looks really, *really* bad.
Central Scrutinizer
Actually, some of the direction and camera work isn't too bad. The script is teh suX0r, however.
sallyh - glad you aren't missing it. Hiya!
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Eli--lots of carrot cake for you. Hope you like cream cheese icing.
I don't think it's possible to go wrong with cream cheese anything.
I on the other hand am watching Warm Springs on HBO (Kenneth Branagh as FDR) and it's really good.
Jenny--so what is this? Adult women are no longer permitted to travel of their own volition?
Hey, puppets: fly off to Iraq and give us a report from the scene, you cunt.
Mellish--my brother in law and I consider Saturday nights on SciFi to be a cultural event. Cultural, of course, being very loosely defined.
Man-Thing is Yul Brynner from Westworld?
OT
This could be another ugly battle...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7692.../site/newsweek/
I don't know if anyone posted on it yet since the thread is getting long in the tooth.
New Wolcott up.
Hey, is this bald guy from Kung Fu or The Mummy Returns? We could play "name that horror movie cliche." I'll start with toothless southern guy in a motorboat.
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Buckeye -
I went to a rescue place and chose a beautiful Siamese mix (also very needy) but he had to be neutered. As I was leaving the place the volunteer steered me to a frightened, hiding and starved kitty way back in the corner. My heart went out to him and I found myself saying "yes".
I don't want three cats right now so I said goodbye to Mr. Gorgeous and prayed for him to get a good home. He was adopted the next day!
Cultural, of course, being very loosely defined.
Emphasis on "cult".
Halffasthero--I was reading that on TJ's blog the other day. If for NO OTHER REASON, a 13 year old should abort for health reasons. The health risks from a legal abortion as opposed to carrying a pregnancy to term in one so young.
Hey, he found the other sheriff!
Are minimal. Sorry, we've been on the booze cruise for an hour and a half now.
Damn. London Independent, via Wolcott.
A damning minute leaked to a Sunday newspaper reveals that in July 2002, a few weeks after meeting George Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, Mr Blair summoned his closest aides for what amounted to a council of war. The minute reveals the head of British intelligence reported that President Bush had firmly made up his mind to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein, adding that 'the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.'
Eli--you would define Saturday night SciFi viewers as a cult? Here, I thought we were just people with no lives, or without any energy to get them
Awwww, regardez le chat mignon...
Uh, monchie, as a proud feline-American, I think you'd better change that before people get the wrong idea.
How about Spanish?: "¡Awwwww, mira el gato lindo!"
As I was leaving the place the volunteer steered me to a frightened, hiding and starved kitty way back in the corner. My heart went out to him and I found myself saying "yes".
Jenny, you're such a sweetheart.
Seriously.
sallyh -
It's craziness. If you want some good laughs and insights go to the threads below. The whole thing is a laugh-riot, except that she did stage a kidnapping and call the police from a pay phone to report she'd been released. Not really the best way to approach a change of heart, IMO.
I hope she grows a set of balls real soon, though, 'cause she's gonna need them to get through the circus that's coming her way!
"Halffasthero--I was reading that on TJ's blog the other day. If for NO OTHER REASON, a 13 year old should abort for health reasons."
Politics and reality are two different things. I agree with you based on what little I know but the facts surrounding this politically spell trouble for her.
Here, I thought we were just people with no lives, or without any energy to get them
Or the means to suck out those of others.
Central S -
Thank you, kind sir. The feeling is mutual, of course...
Evening, freethinkers
The branch is coming from the INSIDE! THE INSIDE!!!
Halffasthero--when she develops complications--more than likely in a girl her age--I hope she sues the hell out of these bastards.
President Bush had firmly made up his mind to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein, adding that 'the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.'
If you read Maureen Dowd today, you'll never be mad at her again.
President Bush had firmly made up his mind to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein, adding that 'the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
Well now, ain't that sumpin'?
Anybody catch Tom Frank's "What's the Matter with Liberals" in this month's NY Review of Books?
"What man would do that?"
Foreshadowing!
Eli--that's the problem with us liberals. We lack that vampire trait.
"If you read Maureen Dowd today, you'll never be mad at her again."
I always liked Maureen Dowd's position's politically.
President Bush had firmly made up his mind to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein, adding that 'the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
Well now, ain't that sumpin'?
Man, that would be devastating if it were, you know, *reported*.
Eli--y'know, your play by play is better than the actual flick by a mile.
We lack that vampire trait.
I have most of the others, tho.
JftB,
That's, good. I was just beingnosy, wondering whether you went to a shelter or he showed up at your doorstep.
My calico is mostly likely to be put down on Monday. While I have another one still, and I think he'd like to be an only for awhile, I was thinking that I'll be making a trip to the Humane Society soon. Except looking out in the back yard tonight, I think the 'signal' has gone out, and the strays, and non-strays are starting to wander in.
Maybe I'm the only one who missed it, but CBS News aired a report Thursday evening, discussed here by AFP, that the fatal encounter between the vehicle taking Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena to the Baghdad airport and American soldiers at a highway checkpoint was recorded by a satellite. American investigators relied on the recording in exonerating the soldiers who fired on the speeding vehicle.
Yeah, a satellite recorded it, so it must show what they say it shows, right?
Just like all those satellite photos of "weapons sites" and "mobile chemical weapons factories" Colin Powell showed the U.N. showed ....uh, well, actually, just a bunch of buildings and trucks, which turned out not to be what they said they were.
I guess this satellite recorded proof explains why we still haven't let the Italians take a look at the car.
Ripley -
If you remember the Laverne & Shirley show, every time someone would say something disgusting, like "vomit", Lenny & Squiggy would come barrelling through the door, right on cue.
It was hilarious. And I think of this every time you make one of your perfect thread entrances.
Not that you are anything like vomit, of course...
Eli--please tell me you're not averse to garlic.
One can never have too much garlic.
Okay, maybe in a margarita, but damn little else.
Eli--that's the problem with us liberals. We lack that vampire trait.
sallyh | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 9:58 pm | #
Read the article in the NY Review of Books. It's devestating on the cultural tin ear of the Kerry campaign.
(Mr. Kool-Aid has *pants* now???)
Satellite Recorded Checkpoint Shooting
Um, just a detail...there was cloudcover.
Buckeye -
I'm so sorry about your Calico. That is deeply distressing.
Maybe you could let your other one be the *only* cat for a while. It might be nice for both of you, while your heart heals?
Eli--please tell me you're not averse to garlic.
One can never have too much garlic.
No, just sunlight.
I hope she grows a set of balls real soon, though, 'cause she's gonna need them to get through the circus that's coming her way!
Jenny from the ßlog
Yep, now that CoNN and company have gone into Schiavo mode, they're going to keep milking this story for way more than it's worth. If they just did the rational thing and dropped it, their poster girl Grace would look mega-stupid. Got to let her get in some more shots, dontcha know.
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"Mr. Kool-Aid has *pants* now???)"
I thought he wore tights myself...
I always liked Maureen Dowd's position's politically.
Halffasthero | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 9:58 pm | #
I've noticed that the New York Time's editorial page at least some mixture of left and right:
Left:
Krugman
Herbert
Frank Rich
Right:
Friedman
Tierny
Brooks
Kristoff
Dowd is more or less in the center. Sometimes she nails the right. Sometimes she goes off into annoyingland.
But what the Times needs is another woman columnist, and somebody with some depth (like Barbara Ehrenreich), not another lightweight like Dowd.
Did the blonde really just say "Gosh darnit" and storm off? They *really* need to work on their G-rated swear words...
It was hilarious. And I think of this every time you make one of your perfect thread entrances.
Not that you are anything like vomit, of course...
Hallo.
Eli--I confess I love sunlight. Sunlight is a wonderful thing. Regrettably, not so compatible with being a redhead. Praise the Goddess for SPF 30.
Yankee Sheriff knows kung fu!
Think it's an accident that the mining (or whatever) company's logo looks a lot like a swastika?
Actually, it's sort of rematkable that the French could get away with calling something the equivalent of "cute steak."
I think I need to get back to drinking. My brother in law makes kickass margaritas--I've only had 2 and can no longer feel the tip of my nose. God knows what else will go numb this evening, but I imagine my capacity to type should be severely diminished shortly.
Carrot cake's on the counter. We should probably be careful not to get so much bong water in the carpet this time.
Well, looks like you guys are headed for a very long thread this evening. Have a good one, you moonbats and moonbooticas -- I'm going to pet a kitty!
just going to jump in:
the edgar poe award for excellence in journalism of national or regional interest was just given to two journalists at the correspondents' dinner. went to two guys for a series on steriods in sports. can't help but think it's like giving the nobel in medicine to a guy who does tonsillectomies for a living.
all ready been posted, I'm sure (good IPA lowers the drive to read through too many comments)...Kids, whaddaya gonna do...
a father who remembers when he was a son...
Eli, in the original series, the bad guys' company was called F.A. Schist Constructiion.
Dowd is more or less in the center. Sometimes she nails the right. Sometimes she goes off into annoyingland.
I agree, SWR. What really aggravates me is that she can be so dead on as to make my day brighter. Today's column had that effect on me.
She nailed not only Chalabi, but also DeLay and Bushco policy.
But then she wanders off the map and really gets screwy. Like I said the other day, I guess it depends on what the medication of the day is.
"There's too many things alive out here."
"Yeah, and I'd like to remain one of 'em."
Eli, in the original series, the bad guys' company was called F.A. Schist Constructiion.
I'll take that as a "no" then...
the edgar poe award for excellence in journalism of national or regional interest was just given to two journalists at the correspondents' dinner. went to two guys for a series on steriods in sports. can't help but think it's like giving the nobel in medicine to a guy who does tonsillectomies for a living.
kmc | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 10:07 pm | #
Interesting that the right was all batshit angry over the Pulitzers for photojournalism.
Photojournalists tend to be apolitical adrenaline junkies. So their natural urge is to shoot whatever they see in Iraq, even if it's the truth. Writers tend to be more idealogical. So they censor themselves.
SWR ... Which Dowd? The one on Bolton from April 27th?
I agree, SWR. What really aggravates me is that she can be so dead on as to make my day brighter. Today's column had that effect on me.
Sounds cold but if we could get her a leftist boyfriend she'd be a powerful alley.
Any way we could fix her up with Viggo Mortenson or someone like that?
Hey, isn't the beefy redneck guy Gordon the Magnificent? I didn't know he was in the movin' picher business. I guess that makes Geoffrey the guy in the ear flap hat.
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"Dowd is more or less in the center. Sometimes she nails the right. Sometimes she goes off into annoyingland."
She is about where she needs to in that case. Both parties need to be called out when the need arises. As it stands now, the Republicans (in power) have gotten too long of a free ride where criticism is concerned.
Notice I said "in power." Just go to Jole Cole (for instance) and you will see what another part of the Repub party thinks. More Repub's like that and I would not have to worry about this country going to hell in a religeous handbasket.
Res Ipsa - Well duh! There were parts of the Bushevik brain trust (cf A.B. Normal from Young Frankenstein), that had their minds up to go to war with Iraq on Dec 7 2000... before Furious George was even sworn in to office.
Any way we could fix her up with Viggo Mortenson or someone like that?
Over LJ's dead body...
I guess that makes Geoffrey the guy in the ear flap hat.
The one who just fell down in his own shit?
SWR ... Which Dowd? The one on Bolton from April 27th?
Res Ipsa Loquitor | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 10:09 pm | #
The one on Chalabi.
The one who just fell down in his own shit?
Eli
What's the action-based equivalent of
Well, it's time to bid you a happy Walpurgisnacht and go off into a darkened cornfield and set things ablaze....
Lordy.
That's enough.
Nite all.
SWR ... Which Dowd? The one on Bolton from April 27th?
Res Ipsa Loquitor | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 10:09 pm | #
The one on Chalabi.
So, *not* the one who just fell down in his own shit...
Jftb,
Yes, I think that's what'll happen, Shadow will be the 'only for awhile. He's upset that I'm paying so much attention to Smudge, for which I inform him, 'yes I am, but she's dying and you're not.' And I'll have to remind him that he was a stray once too. But for right now, he'll be happy having all the lap he wants. And when it's time for another, it'll happen. I think the cats in the back yard are checking and assessing the situation right now. They'll make their move when they think the time is right. I'm a sucker and animals know it!
Seriously though the Thomas Frank article in the NY Review of books (What's the Matter with Liberals) is an absolutely must read.
He gets why the Swift Boat campaign destroyed Kerry in a way so few other people do.
Lordy.
That's enough.
Can we start calling the Bushies the bad-faith-based administration?
Uh-oh! Redneck in peril!
Can we start calling the Bushies the bad-faith-based administration?
Eli
How about the Bad Feith-based administration?
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How about the Bad Feith-based administration?
That would just be redundant.
OMG, is anyone else watching the correspondents dinner? Laura Bush is skewering Dubya. She's really funny!
Dowd is just right in my book. She must just climb into the rectums of everyone connected to Bush, and make hemmoroids feel comfortable. You can be certain that they all read her, but none would admit it. She doesn't miss a single point that I can think of. I consider her a real Hero. She speaks for me, that is for sure.
OMG, is anyone else watching the correspondents dinner? Laura Bush is skewering Dubya. She's really funny!
She creeps me the fuck out. Does she ever wipe that glazed over botox smile off her face?
OK, someone was dissing Kathie Lee Gifford earlier in the thread, but she does occasionally have some spine. Back in the '80s, when Kathie Lee was married to someone else, and was a 2nd tier singer on the Christian circuit, her marriage was in trouble. So it was arranged that she'd go to a famous (in Christian circles) counselor and he'd tell her and her husband how to set the marriage right.
His advice: Kathie Lee had to give up her music career and stay at home and become a mother. This was because her husband was supposed to be the breadwinner. Kathie Lee didn't go with this advice, but instead got a divorce and left the Christian circuit behind.
The counselor? None other than Mullah James Dobson, back in the days when he and Focus on the Family were HQ'ed in SoCal.
There are a lot of things about Kathie Lee Gifford that I don't like, but at bottom, she isn't entirely stupid, as she rejected the crap that the rest of the fundievangelical community has been sucking up for so many years. So at least give her that.
(Gleaned from her 1994 autobiography, which I actually read!)
OK, someone was dissing Kathie Lee Gifford earlier in the thread, but she does occasionally have some spine. Back in the '80s, when Kathie Lee was married to someone else, and was a 2nd tier singer on the Christian circuit, her marriage was in trouble. So it was arranged that she'd go to a famous (in Christian circles) counselor and he'd tell her and her husband how to set the marriage right.
Isn't she Jewish?
(Gleaned from her 1994 autobiography, which I actually read!)
Because that was in parentheses, I can pretend I never saw it...
Laura Bush is skewering Dubya.
Too bad you don't mean literally....
Laura Bush is skewering Dubya
Women like Laura Bush are the reason I hate white women.
Laura Bush is skewering Dubya.
Too bad you don't mean literally....
Probably the only skewering that goes on in that relationship.
Seriously though the Thomas Frank article in the NY Review of books (What's the Matter with Liberals) is an absolutely must read.
He gets why the Swift Boat campaign destroyed Kerry in a way so few other people do.
SWR
Got a link, or do I have to pay a visit to the newsstand?
Women like Laura Bush are the reason I hate white women.
Women like Laura Bush are the reason I hate women like Laura Bush.
I think we are closer to "A Boy and His Dog" than drinks. Although, I would perfer drinks.
[Jumps up and down]
Got an idea for a new SciFi movie - "Attack of the creepy guy in the Burger King mask." Oooh, scary! <Count Floyd>
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Got a link, or do I have to pay a visit to the newsstand?
Here it is.
Howdy, folks.
I'm just dropping in to blogwhore this post about one of the Neocons' current attempts to promote pre-emptive war against Iran.
I think it gives an unusually clear picture of how these folks operate.
Sweet! Cheers
Buzz Bomb ...
here.
I was the one dissing Kathy Lee.
Not because she's necessarily evil, but because she's insufferable, whatever good qualities she may possess.
I'm just dropping in to blogwhore...
Are you sure you can't stay for cake?
Women like Laura Bush are the reason I hate women like Laura Bush.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 10:28 pm | #
It's un PC to say it but she reminds me of every frigging WASPY stepford bitch in my family.
Maybe I'm pissed because I know how well her image resonates with women like my mother and aunts.
But I'd still rather be Kerry and not be President and be married to Teresa than be president and be married to that creature.
I just watched Laura's performance at the WHCAD. From the expression on Chimpy's face, I don't know that he was fully prepared for what she had to say.
Neither was Cheney.
FWIW, I just posted a blog entry at my homepage about it.
I don't really find Cedric all that funny.
Does she ever wipe that glazed over botox smile off her face?
Not tonight she didn't. But she joked about W going to bed at 9pm and she's watching "Desperate Housewives." If those women think they're desperate, they should try living with George. When he clears brush at the ranch it's known as the Texas Chainsaw massacre. How he tried to milk the horse. Even worse it was a male horse.
She got HUGE, but nervous laughs
I just today finished What's the Matter With Kansas? and returned it to the library. Had to wait about six months for it. Frank really nails the whole bass-ackwards nature of the conservatard movement.
Every hamlet seemed to have a son or daughter on duty in Iraq, and wartime loyalty to the commander in chief was in the air. Running through each of these issues was the sense that Bush was somehow more authentic than his challenger. In the city of Charleston, West Virginia, I was told by a conservative activist that
when you see those photos of [Bush] on his ranch down in Texas, with jeans and a cowboy hat, that's genuine. I was in Beckley when he was there a couple weeks ago, and that crowd, four thousand people, they loved the man. They loved the man. Personally... You can't manufacture that; you can't fake it. They love him. They connect with him, they think he understands them, and I think he does, too.
West Virginia had been carried by Bill Clinton, Michael Dukakis, and almost every other Democratic candidate going back to Franklin Roosevelt, but this time it went Republican by a convincing thirteen percentage points.
People have to let this sink in:
West Virginia had been carried by Bill Clinton, Michael Dukakis, and almost every other Democratic candidate going back to Franklin Roosevelt, but this time it went Republican by a convincing thirteen percentage points.
Kerry didn't lose because of the media. The election wasn't stolen. Kerry lost because he had a culturally tin ear.
SWR - You gotta figure that a dim bulb like GW doesn't really know the difference. Besides, as he himself revealed (several years after being "born again"), he and dear ol' Dad were still having lots of good private talks about "pussy". I'm pretty sure they weren't discussing Babs and Laura.
Stuff like this is why I've always liked Tom Frank:
For the 2004 campaign, Kerry moved to the center, following the well-worn path of the corporate Democrats before him, downplaying any "liberal" economic positions that might cost him among the funders and affirming his support for the Iraq invasion even after the official justifications for that exercise had been utterly discredited. Kerry's pallid strategy offered little to motivate the party's traditional liberal and working-class base, but revulsion against Bush was assumed to be reason enough to get out and vote. And besides, such an approach was supposed to protect the Democrat from the inevitable charges of insufficient toughness.
A newcomer to American politics, after observing this strategy in action in 2004, would have been justified in believing that the Democrats were the party in power, so complacent did they seem and so unwilling were they to criticize the actual occupant of the White House. Republicans, meanwhile, were playing another game entirely. The hallmark of a "backlash conservative" is that he or she approaches politics not as a defender of the existing order or as a genteel aristocrat but as an average working person offended by the arrogance of the (liberal) upper class. The sensibility was perfectly caught during the campaign by onetime Republican presidential candidate Gary Bauer, who explained it to The New York Times like this: "Joe Six-Pack doesn't understand why the world and his culture are changing and why he doesn't have a say in it."[3] These are powerful words, the sort of phrase that could once have been a slogan of the fighting, egalitarian left. Today, though, it was conservatives who claimed to be fighting for the little guy, assailing the powerful, and shrieking in outrage at the direction in which the world is irresistibly sliding.
when you see those photos of [Bush] on his ranch down in Texas, with jeans and a cowboy hat, that's genuine.
Sorry, as a native of these parts and an ex-country dweller, Bush belongs on that ranch about as much as Jacques Chirac.
SWR - You gotta figure that a dim bulb like GW doesn't really know the difference.
George W. Bush doesn't read Shakespeare and isn't curious -- that doesn't mean he's stupid. He's not.
Bill Clinton warned liberals and intellectuals about underestimating Bush.
Re Swamp Thing:
I'm getting a serious "Deliverence/Texas Chainsaw Massacre/Carnivale" vibe.
Maybe it's the Red Stripe.
"Maybe he is in the swamp. Maybe the swamp is in him."
TOW - she didn't really say that bit about milking a male horse, did she?
'Cause that sounds kinda like he was giving handjobs to a stallion.
Can someone with the car keys open a new thread?
sallyh,
good evening to you. you are a class act, and much, much more.
SD
Sorry, as a native of these parts and an ex-country dweller, Bush belongs on that ranch about as much as Jacques Chirac.
Why did people buy it?
Why did Bush take West Virginia by 13 percentage points and lose Connecticut?
Nice work, Philalethes. How soon until we hear the mantra of EMP.. EMP.. chanted on the Sunday morning yakfests, much like WMD was in the prep phase for chimpy's last shoot-em-up?
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Jennifer,
Oh yes, she said that.
SWR - Frank explained the why in his book about Kansas.
In a nutshell, people are stupid.
Sorry, as a native of these parts and an ex-country dweller, Bush belongs on that ranch about as much as Jacques Chirac.
I'm thinking Jacques Cousteau.
David - no shit!
Sounds like Santorum's been barking up the wrong tree with his concerns about "man on dog"...man on horse is where the real action is these days!
In a nutshell, people are stupid.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 10:41 pm | #
But who's stupider, Bush who understood this and realized how to exploit it or Kerry who just didn't fucking get it?
SWR ... The NY Rev of Books article just applies the "backlash narrative" he describedin WTMWK? to current events. Fine. The problem is, what to do about it? It's very powerful.
Did you notice Kerry in that committee meeting on Bolton that went haywire for the Repukes? At the end, things got out of order. Barbara Boxer was trying to get everyone back in line. Biden is damn-near pounding the table with his fists. And Kerry was in the corner sputtering, "This is outrageous! I've never seen anything like this! This is outrageous!" I just shook my head because it was so clear that he's not a street fighter. America wants a street fighter.
Guys like Reid -- who looks and sounds like someone's granddad (i.e., unassuming and unpretentious) -- are a start...
Two words: Stuffed Shirt.
Must. Avoid. In. 2008.
Fine. The problem is, what to do about it? It's very powerful.
Frank makes it pretty clear. Stop sucking up to your big donors and move to the left on economics.
The fact that you can raise cash over the internets is also a start.
Besides, as he himself revealed (several years after being "born again"), he and dear ol' Dad were still having lots of good private talks about "pussy". I'm pretty sure they weren't discussing Babs and Laura.
Jennifer |
Jennifer, unfortunately, there are a lot of Red State (and, unfortunately Blue State, as well) men who think along these lines.
We aren't quite *real* to them yet.
SD
I was scrolling thru the early parts of this thread. Damn, missed the sex talk. Can we start round two?
And yes, Laura really did make it sound like George gave a horse a handjob. She said at the beginning he didn't know what she was going to say, and from the look on his face he didn't.
Gonna be an interesting night in the White House...
I would just like to mention that the sheriff has hooked up with the blonde who kicked him in the nuts.
Thankew.
Ten U.S. soldiers killed in last 48 hours in Iraq
Saturday 30th April, 2005
Ten U.S. troops are dead as a result of bombing attacks from Thursday night through to Saturday.
At least 50 Iraqis, mostly police and Iraqi soldiers have also died as a wave of bombings have swept the war-torn country.
Four U.S. marines were killed and two others were injured when a truck carrying explosives was blown up on Thursday in Tallafar, 242 miles (390 kilometers) north of Baghdad.
Two more marines were reportedly killed by a grenade Friday near al-Deira, in Baghdad.
A U.S. soldier died when an improvised explosive device was detonated on Thursday night.
Two U.S. soldiers assigned to the 155th Brigade Combat Team, II Marine Expeditionary Force were killed Friday when a car bomb struck near Diyara. The Marines were based in Anbar province, west of Baghdad.
Also Friday, a separate car-bomb attack killed a U.S. Army soldier from the 1st Corps Support Command. Two other soldiers were wounded in the attack, which occurred north of Taji.
The three soldiers were evacuated to the theater hospital at Logistics Support Area Anaconda, where one died. The other two soldiers were being treated at the hospital.
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Officials confirmed the 12 car bombs that exploded Friday in the capital killed at least 50 people and injured more than 100 others.
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Just sayin'.
Kerry lost because he had a culturally tin ear.
SWR
Absolutely agree there, but that alone wasn't enough. Bush needed the SCLM to bring up such burning issues as fancy lunches, green tea, and what to have on your cheesesteak. They also did a mighty swell job of lending credibility to the swift boat kooks and mentioning "flip-flop" at every opportunity, while pumping up the fiction of Georgie-boy as a rootin' tootin' jes plain folks sort of feller.
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Two words: Stuffed Shirt.
Must. Avoid. In. 2008.
Richard Cody, the acting governer of New Jersey, is a pretty liberal guy.
A couple of shock jocks insulted his wife (and her feminist activism) and he came out with something like "if I weren't governer I'd punch you in the mouth".
His popularity shot up like you wouldn't believe, even among people like my father who voted for Bush and vicerally hated Kerry.
I honestly feel lied to by Kerry and the democrats. They came out of the primaries saying "we're going to hit the Republicans back" and they didn't. They stood there like deer in the headlights when the Swift Boat attacks hit.
Gonna be an interesting night in the White House...
Quite the opposite, I expect.
Unless Bulldog is sleeping over.
SD - Oh, that's a given, so that wasn't really even my point.
Bush hypocrisy and lies, as usual, were the point.
Two words: Stuffed Shirt.
Must. Avoid. In. 2008.
Feel the Joementum.™
Frank makes it pretty clear. Stop sucking up to your big donors and move to the left on economics.
Yes, I agree. I read the book when it came out. Need more people like Reid, though, too. The right person needs to say the words. Biden is obviously problematic for many reasons, but his is the right kind of regular guy oomph.
Puppets--if you'd have bothered to have read the Guardian, Le Monde and Le Figaro, you'd have gotten a very different take on the Sgrena story, one which seems to be more grounded in reality.
sallyh | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 9:48 pm | #
I think its really sad you take the word of foreign newspapers over our own servicemen. Do you ever get over the self-hate? Do you ever get over hating America first? If you despise our country, our servicemen and our government, not to mention about 51% of our citizenry, why do you live here? honestly? Why not go to a country where you are more in tune with the America bashing and you can get it straight and undiluted?
On a side note, I have a theory about GWB's low approval rating vs. Clintons during Monicagate: since Clinton at times had high 50's approval, its evidence Republicans have a higher respect for the office and the country, no matter who is sitting there, than Dems do. Dems have still refused to accept the outcome of the election and are still pissy and whiny, whereas the Republicans are the ones who are able to indeed "MoveOn©" and give respect to the fact that whoever is elected deserves at least a modicum of respect and approval, since he is our president. The bile and anger of the Dems seems to surpass even the hatred and blind meanness they felt towards Nixon. I'm amazed you learned nothing from the election: do you not concede that the hate and disrespect the Moore/Soros/MoveOn faction directed at George Bush backfired? If instead you had taken the tack: "he did a good job after 9/11, he handled the winning of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars much better than the doomsayers at the time predicted, but now let's go in a fresh direction and retire him with respect and gratitude to Texas. I suspect this might have actually won the election for Kerry, instead of the disrespect and condescension he showed for the man, who is after all, President of the United States.
You guys let your hatred blind you to the big picture.
Just sayin'
Clearly, they're desperate! We *must* be winning!
Two words: Stuffed Shirt.
Must. Avoid. In. 2008.
Feel that right there?
Yeah, that's a little something we call Joementum™, baby.
Absolutely agree there, but that alone wasn't enough. Bush needed the SCLM to bring up such burning issues as fancy lunches, green tea, and what to have on your cheesesteak. They also did a mighty swell job of lending credibility to the swift boat kooks and mentioning "flip-flop" at every opportunity, while pumping up the fiction of Georgie-boy as a rootin' tootin' jes plain folks sort of feller.
All true but Kerry also ran a bad campaign. He was clueless thinking the Vietnam Vet status would get him the White House, just completely clueless.
"Do you smell that? It is the perfume of my future."
Been gone -- for some reason, unable
to access Haloscan -- for a couple
of hours.
What have I missed, beyond the
obvious entertaining and enlightening
stuff?
I think its really sad you take the word of foreign newspapers over our own servicemen.
I come to conclusions based on as many sources as I can.
I don't think there's an "American Truth" and a "European Truth".
Accepting one version of an event because the American military is pushing it is just gutless fucking cowardly sniveling toadying fascism.
Go shove it up your ass.
Bush hypocrisy and lies, as usual, were the point.
Jennifer |
Agreed. Guess I was being my usual optimistic (unrealistic) self. You're wiser than I am/was.
SD
hey, uh...puppets?
Go fuck yourself with your phony "respect for the office."
If puppets closes his eyes and believes real hard, he will someday no longer be a wooden puppet and will be transformed into a real twat.
Go fuck yourself with your phony "respect for the office."
The problem is that the Democrats had too much fucking respect for the office and too much fucking respect for the troops.
Speak the truth as profanely and loudly as you can, and that Walmart shopping white trash horde of Bush voters in West Virginia will get wet between the legs for you as surely as they're wet between the legs for the Republicans.
The problem is that the Swift Boat gang hit Kerry and Kerry didn't hit back. They made him look like a loser.
SD - no wiser, just on a different page this time.
The bile and anger of the Dems seems to surpass even the hatred and blind meanness they felt towards Nixon.
Are you talking about the Nixon who wiped his ass with the United States Constitution?
Gracias!
Saturday Video Catblogging, and a heap o' gratitude gravy. Y'all rawk.
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I think its really sad you take the word of foreign newspapers over our own servicemen.
You flippin' idiot. Newspapers report the news. Servicemen shoot people, bomb things, and launch torpedoes. If I need a bunker destroyed, I'll call the Armed Forces. For news, I'll stick to newspapers. Thanks for playing.
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If you despise our country, our servicemen and our government, not to mention about 51% of our citizenry, why do you live here? honestly?
Dude. You don't even have the power to go to the bathroom on your shift at Walmart without raising your hand and asking permission.
What makes you think you have the power to say who gets to stay in the country and who doesn't?
If the General is still kicking around - I offer my condolences for your loss. I hope you will treasure the good times with Nala.
I always wanted to get two nearly-identical pets & name them Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. I may still do that
On a side note, I have a theory about GWB's low approval rating vs. Clintons during Monicagate: since Clinton at times had high 50's approval, its evidence Republicans have a higher respect for the office and the country, no matter who is sitting there, than Dems do.
I have a theory, too.
That most people realized Clinton was doing a good job as preznit, even though he was a shitty husband, and people are catching on that Bush is doing a shitty job all around.
Good christ, is that little shit still here?
Nice work, Philalethes. How soon until we hear the mantra of EMP.. EMP.. chanted on the Sunday morning yakfests, much like WMD was in the prep phase for chimpy's last shoot-em-up?
Thanks! That's exactly why I'm trying to spread this stuff around...I don't want to see it making it into the mainstream.
In my earlier post on the same subject, I mentioned that so far, these clowns have been rebuffed by the DHS...
puppets (whining) ... Stop being mean to Nixon! Stop it! Just stop it! You're being mean to the president!
Waaaaahhhhhhh!! Mommmmmmeeeeeeee!!!! They're being mean to the preznit! Make them stop! Make them stop, mommmmmmmeeeeee!
If puppets closes his eyes and believes real hard, he will someday no longer be a wooden puppet and will be transformed into a real twat.
The Blue Fairy's going to take one look at puppets sorry ass and light a match instead...
Why is anyone still trolling with this asshole? Hell, it is about as useless as tits on a bull. Let the troll be and they will go away for crying out loud
NYMary: Good christ, is that little shit still here?
Yep, I'm still here... pimpin' my cat.
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I bet the sheriff ends up hooking up with the blonde chick who kicked him in the nuts.
Yes, I'm assuming we're liveblogging the Man-Thing...
Well. I'm watching.
How funny is it listening to these australian actors trying to fake american accents?
Hiya, JP!
Is anyone else having trouble with the fact that everyone in the Man-Thing swamp movie is Australian? Or Kiwi?
Hey, JP - how's things in the new digs? All moved in and makin Curly comfy?
Actually though, honestly, people who were typing "Kerry in a landslide" and who are now blaming the media or Diebold for the election are more harmfull than these right-wing idiot trolls.
Yes elections need monitoring. Yes the media sucks.
But if you can't see why Kerry lost, you're blind and self-deluding.
Got an idea for a new SciFi movie - "Attack of the creepy guy in the Burger King mask." Oooh, scary!
Have you seen that SCTV skit "Shoot for the Stars with Bill Needle"? I swear that's where O'Reilly got his "Shut up!" schtick...
As for "bile and anger", my bottom line is that I hate liars - I couldn't really give two shits what letter follows their name. Clinton pissed me off royally when he didn't respond to the Lewinsky stuff by just saying, "that's none of your damn business."
And Bush pisses me off royally whenever he opens his mouth. If he ever tells the truth, it's because he gets tongue-tied and it slips out instead of what he meant to say.
You're the puppet of a liar. You're Bush's punk. He thinks so highly of you that he lies to you daily, and in return, you help him get away with it.
You are, in short, his bitch.
Puppets is still here?
You gotta be kidding......
How funny is it listening to these australian actors trying to fake american accents?
*Southern* American accents. Except the Yankee Sheriff, that is.
Apologies in advance, but -
Puppets: Please leave. No-one likes you. I doubt anyone here wants to hear about your life or your opinions. You have been nothing but rude while you've been here, and I'm asking you politely to leave.
steve simels ... Thanks again for the tune!
If you despise our country, our servicemen and our government, not to mention about 51% of our citizenry, why do you live here? honestly?
I don't live here, honestly. It's a fucking blog you little weasel. You seem to be the only one living here.
Hiya NYMary. Weather certainly suck today, didn't it?
If instead you had taken the tack: "he did a good job after 9/11, he handled the winning of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars much better than the doomsayers at the time predicted...
Sorry puppets.
We didn't say that because it wasn't true. BTW, go fuck yourself.
New Frank Rich column is up detailing the Republican's love affair with South Park. (Wonder what Dobson thinks?)
http://www.nytimes.com
Ripley: Hey, JP - how's things in the new digs? All moved in and makin Curly comfy?
Yeah, pretty much... of course, we need to sell more DVDs to stay comfy, but we're doing okay so far. We were playing shut-ins for a couple of days, almost... afraid that if we left the place for long, Lake Kitchen would reappear, soon to be the Waterfall in N131. The disgusting repair is ostensibly in place now, though, and dishes can now be washed!
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1.) Move to the left economically.
2.) Call for an immediate withdrawl from Iraq.
3.) Attack the Christian right. Don't coddle it.
It sounds counterintutive. Americans are very, very, very, very, very conservative people.
But it would work. Very conservative people respect bullies. Bully the right enough, and you'll win.
Is anyone else having trouble with the fact that everyone in the Man-Thing swamp movie is Australian? Or Kiwi?
Damn, I wish I'd been watching. I can pick out the diff between an Aussie and Kiwi in 2 words.
heh. MoDo:
Now, showing survival skills that make Tom DeLay look like a piker, the resourceful Thief of Baghdad has popped back up as one of the four deputy prime ministers and the interim cabinet minister controlling the one valuable commodity in that wasteland: the second-largest oil reserves after Saudi Arabia. [Chalabi] even has a DeLay-like talent for getting relatives on the payroll: a Chalabi nephew is the new finance minister.
Of course everything is perfect here! It's America and we can do no wrong. Just like in the USSR (when it existed) everyone there knew how wonderful it was and never, ever critisized their dear leader.
Their media always praised dear leader too and never did thorough investigative stories, because there was nothing to find.
Puppets, you would have LOVED living there.
hey, genoasail,
It did indeed. A good day to lay in bed and read, which I did, for a lot of it. But tonight we went to a nice party with smart, good people. Of course, the same snail slime is all over here. I'll attempt to ignore it.
Just like in the USSR (when it existed) everyone there knew how wonderful it was and never, ever critisized their dear leader.
They did all the time (in private).
Is anyone else having trouble with the fact that everyone in the Man-Thing swamp movie is Australian? Or Kiwi?
Um, yeah.
The swamp was nice and creepy though.
I can pick out the diff between an Aussie and Kiwi in 2 words.
Okay, I'll bite. Which two?
Res:
Mon plaisir!!!!
Puppets, you would have LOVED living there.
And we would have loved for him to live there as well...
I don't think Kerry was all that bad a candidate. The real thing that swung the election was that the media decided that Bush could lie with impunity. Given that and incumbency, I think Kerry came about as close as it is possible in our fucked-up republic as it may have been possible to come. That's what's really frightening. (Though I agree he should have fought back better in August.)
But post-mortems only get you so far. What can we build on? For one thing, we need to build on the energized base of new volunteers that pulled off the overall Democratic wins in the state races. Also, we need to fight to keep the energy of the small donations, which was an amazing positive story of 04.
Not into feeling negative tonight, really.
Okay, I'll bite. Which two?
Any two. I'm wicked good with accents, although it's an underappreciated skill and most people don't believe me at first. Too bad I never bet them money....
Damn, those are some lightning-ass credits there.
And we would have loved for him to live there as well...
Eli | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 11:13 pm | #
Has anybody read about how, during Stalin's purges, people listening to his speaches were all terrified to be the first to stop applauding?
It meant a possible trip to the gulag.
So politburo members would stand there clapping, clapping, clapping until they dropped from exaustation.
Wow.
Did anyone else notice how fast the credits rolled?
6-7 seconds tops.
They did all the time (in private).
Sure, but if they said it in public they were called traitors, or were arrested and disappeared. That's where we're headed, with help from people like out trolls.
MoDo is on c-span2 now, with Alterman et al.
oh, jeffraham, your catblog is loverly.
What can we build on? For one thing, we need to build on the energized base of new volunteers that pulled off the overall Democratic wins in the state races.
Fundraising over the internets is a big start. It let's you free yourself from the economically conservative Democratic fat cat base.
Any two. I'm wicked good with accents, although it's an underappreciated skill and most people don't believe me at first.
I know how to teach people Scottish acccents!
Remember that any Scotsman always has liquor on his breath while he's trying to weasel out of a check.
people like our trolls, I meant.
Sure, but if they said it in public they were called traitors, or were arrested and disappeared. That's where we're headed, with help from people like out trolls.
Most Russians I meet are sort of likeably smart and cynical. None of them have that dumbass credulous quality that so many 'Merkens have.
NTodd, you'd shudder at the sheer ugliness of my accent.
Remember that any Scotsman always has liquor on his breath while he's trying to weasel out of a check.
Anyone remember the Monty Python sketch about the famous Scottish poet whose poems were all either requests to loan him money or excuses for not being able to pay it back?
NTodd, you'd shudder at the sheer ugliness of my accent.
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 11:18 pm | #
My WASP ex girlfriend from elite Massachussetts liberal land never, ever, ever, ever, ever got tired of making fun of my Jersey accent. Ever. And it's not even that thick.
When I used to live in Seattle and people would find out where I was from the highest compliment they thought they could pay me was "well you don't have that accent".
Maybe they were just being nice.
"Can you lend me fifty pounds to mend the shed?"
MODO needs a lefty boyfriend?
"I will kiss the girl from Venus, for science."
Fundraising over the internets is a big start. It let's you free yourself from the economically conservative Democratic fat cat base
Yup. And that's what this noise about regulating the money raised online for campaigns, especially over blogs, is really all about.
MODO needs a lefty boyfriend?
Yeah. It's obvious she's really into writing about lightweight personal shit.
Fix her up with Viggo Mortenson or George Clooney and she's ours, forever.
Yep.
SWR,
I've got all the flatess of your midwestern vowels combined with a Long Islandish nasal twang. And I swear like a Jersey girl. It's a bad combination.
You'll have to wait until my mic comes. Then you'll get it in the podcast. Ugh.
Via Wolcott,
Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy...
The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.
Classified British government memo, dated 23 July 2002.
Holy fucking shit.
Good evening Freethinkers.
Cheers,
Not into feeling negative tonight, really.
Thersites
Me neither. Up for a little hackeysack?
SWR,
I've got all the flatess of your midwestern vowels combined with a Long Islandish nasal twang. And I swear like a Jersey girl. It's a bad combination.
I sound exactly the way Ray Liotta did in Goodfellas.
Fred Astaire is singing "The Way You Look Tonight" on TCM
GWPDA, Irate Scholar
You and I have the same great taste in movies!
I simply love Fred. My favorite song is from Follow the Fleet: Let's Face the Music and Dance by Irving Berlin
*sigh*
Shift change!
Up for a little hackeysack?
Wait, hold on....
(Inhales entire bong)
Kewl... up!
But it would work. Very conservative people respect bullies. Bully the right enough, and you'll win.
SWR
It makes sense. Part of the reason the Kerry campaign seemed so damned clueless at times was that the Bush campaign struck right at Kerry's strong points.
Altar boy and church goer? Anti-religious and subject to possible excommunication.
Hunter and NRA member? Out of control liberal who wants to take your guns.
War hero? We all know what happened there.
The right wing is just as vulnerable on religion. They've convinced themselves they're invulnerable on it. IMO a good, strong, LOUD campaign emphasizing "You don't represent me when it comes to religion" would be effective because they aren't prepared to fight the battle on those grounds.
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Yup. And that's what this noise about regulating the money raised online for campaigns, especially over blogs, is really all about.
Thersites
Ding, ding, ding!
I believe we have a winner!
Cheers,
Hey, Ted Smith!
When I used to live in Seattle and people would find out where I was from the highest compliment they thought they could pay me was "well you don't have that accent".
I talked with a woman in Calif. and she said, "You're in Chicago? You don't have a weird accent".
A lot of people tell me I sound Canadian. I don't get it...
I sound exactly the way Ray Liotta did in Goodfellas.
SWR
See I love that. But then, Thers is from Queens, so what do I know?
Most Russians I meet are sort of likeably smart and cynical. None of them have that dumbass credulous quality that so many 'Merkens have.
I go to school with this Russian kid who I nicknamed "The Liberal Karl Rove." He is smart, cynical, and sort of diabolical. He has a greater mastery of history and politics than anyone I've ever known. Whoever is running for president in 2008 should hire him NOW.
It makes sense. Part of the reason the Kerry campaign seemed so damned clueless at times was that the Bush campaign struck right at Kerry's strong points.
You have no idea how many pro-Bush yuppies I've knocked off balance simply by saying "OH FUCK. You're going to vote for a fucking born again Christian?"
I grew up in NYC, and my mother sounds like Laverne, yet I seem to have no accent whatsoever. I can't even put on a Noo Yawk accent, although I can do a pretty fair Cliff Clavin...
SWR: I sound exactly the way Ray Liotta did in Goodfellas.
As those who will soon receive the Curly DVDs will soon discover, I sound exactly like I type -- Eastern Kentucky Hillbilly.
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Ripley,
A lot of Chicagoans have a really weird thing with that A--sounds almost like an O. Chicohgo.
Thers is from Queens, so what do I know?
His parents are Gay?
(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
Okay, I'll bite. Which two?
'Yes' and 'no' are giveaways. For a Kiwi, they're 'yiss' and 'nye'. Completely different from the Aussie ones, and closer to the South African accent in some ways.
I talked with a woman in Calif. and she said, "You're in Chicago? You don't have a weird accent".
The new guy on Law and Order with his Chicago accent sounds pretty weird to be a NYC cop.
See I love that. But then, Thers is from Queens, so what do I know?
What 'hood in Queens?
The right wing is just as vulnerable on religion. They've convinced themselves they're invulnerable on it. IMO a good, strong, LOUD campaign emphasizing "You don't represent me when it comes to religion" would be effective because they aren't prepared to fight the battle on those grounds.
How about being fucking "tough on terror" for attacking the Republicans on their strengths? I think if Kerry had hammered on that a little harder, he would have kicked Bush's ass, connecting with the people or no.
Puppets--if you'd have bothered to have read the Guardian, Le Monde and Le Figaro, you'd have gotten a very different take on the Sgrena story, one which seems to be more grounded in reality.
sallyh | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 9:48 pm | #
I think its really sad you take the word of foreign newspapers over our own servicemen. Do you ever get over the self-hate? Do you ever get over hating America first? If you despise our country, our servicemen and our government, not to mention about 51% of our citizenry, why do you live here? honestly? Why not go to a country where you are more in tune with the America bashing and you can get it straight and undiluted?
On a side note, I have a theory about GWB's low approval rating vs. Clintons during Monicagate: since Clinton at times had high 50's approval, its evidence Republicans have a higher respect for the office and the country, no matter who is sitting there, than Dems do. Dems have still refused to accept the outcome of the election and are still pissy and whiny, whereas the Republicans are the ones who are able to indeed "MoveOn©" and give respect to the fact that whoever is elected deserves at least a modicum of respect and approval, since he is our president. The bile and anger of the Dems seems to surpass even the hatred and blind meanness they felt towards Nixon. I'm amazed you learned nothing from the election: do you not concede that the hate and disrespect the Moore/Soros/MoveOn faction directed at George Bush backfired? If instead you had taken the tack: "he did a good job after 9/11, he handled the winning of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars much better than the doomsayers at the time predicted, but now let's go in a fresh direction and retire him with respect and gratitude to Texas. I suspect this might have actually won the election for Kerry, instead of the disrespect and condescension he showed for the man, who is after all, President of the United States.
You guys let your hatred blind you to the big picture.
Why *aren't* we liveblogging Man-Thing?
Eli
Is it related to Mansquito?
I think if Kerry had hammered on that a little harder, he would have kicked Bush's ass, connecting with the people or no.
Kerry had to humiliate Bush, make him look like a loser. I remember before 9/11 that's the image most people had of Bush. I remember people speculating about how Bush seemed "gay".
JP, I was driving thru KY once and thought about stopping to see my sister.
I stopped in a small, country store and said, "How do I get to Vers-eye from here"?
"You mean Versayles?"
"Uhhh, yeah..."
I felt kind of dumb, not knowing how to pronounce the name of an American city, even if it was a French name.
Evening, free Moonbats,
Talking accents here are we?
Hiya, vicula! Didja see where someone was talking about how beautiful Kentucky women are?
I think if Kerry had hammered on that a little harder, he would have kicked Bush's ass, connecting with the people or no.
During the RNC protests, this yuppie Republican types were snearing at all of the little hippies with stuff like "oh I guess you don't have a job".
This big black guy just walked up to them and said "yeah faggot. Come one let's go."
They literally ran. I mean fucking bolted down the sidewalk.
Kerry needed to be that big black guy. He wasn't.
I think if Kerry had hammered on that a little harder, he would have kicked Bush's ass, connecting with the people or no.
The one who would have kicked Bush's ass was Dean. And what's more, that motherfucker knew it. Dean is not afraid. That scared the shit out of Bush and Rove.
Kerry needed to be that big black guy. He wasn't.
Maybe we can *draft* that guy.
Just read bobo's article for tomorrow.
He claims Reid offered to allow the SUPREME COURT nominations go through as part of the "compromise offer", not just some of the current crop of wack jobs.
Like many of us here, especially the women, I viewed Reid with great suspicion at the beginning, but have been impressed to date and admitted so.
But if bobo's source is correct,
I'm gonna go ape shit!!!!!!!!!
Dean is not afraid. That scared the shit out of Bush and Rove.
Dean lost because he got scared and complacent in Iowa.
The moment I knew he would lost is when Sharpton came on with that stupid "How many blacks do you have in your cabinet" remark and Dean looked like the proverbial deer in the headlights.
He got scared when he thought he could win.
John Dean has an overall excellent analysis of Plame, and said that Judge Hogan, chief judge of the district court that upheld the Miller/Cooper contempt judgement, recently upheld by the full appeals court, filed an affadavit, sealed, along with his decision, its contents known only to him and Fitzpatrick. Dean knows Hogan and said he was very conservative temperament-wise, and that the only hint that the judge has given was to say that in the course of the investigation the focus shifted, and that Miller and Cooper could be important witnesses.
From the panel that just now ended on c-span2.
Thers is Bayside, Res. You?
But if bobo's source is correct,
I'm gonna go ape shit!!!!!!!!!
I dunno, it would be a pretty serious breach of precedent for Bobo to be right about something.
I'm a little unclear how offering someone more than they asked for really constitutes a compromise, but then, I'm only a psychiatrist.
bwa ha haaa! my mom is 3ft away from me and dosint know im on the same blog that she is!!!!
Dean lost because he got scared and complacent in Iowa.
SWR, I respectfully disagee. Dean lost in IA b/c the corporate/consultant dems were scared he'd go left and b/c BushCo(TM) was just scared. So they painted him as a "nut" with the ever-present help of the SCLM.
Fitzgerald
Kerry needed to be that big black guy. He wasn't.
(Is Mr. T a Democrat? *Everyone* loves Mr. T!)
Maybe we can *draft* that guy.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 11:33 pm | #
You know when Clinton won the primaries?
Remember in 1992 in New York when Jerry Brown was making accusations about Hillary and Clinton was like "don't go jumping on my wife" and he looked as if he was going to punch Brown in the mouth?
That's why the Republicans hate Clinton so much. He's a smooth, oily politician but underneath it all you know he's not a loser.
Kerry came across like a fucking loser. That salute at the convention made him look like the band dork who gets his ass kicked at recess.
We just recognized the 7-11 in Albuquerque (as shown on CNN} that the Runaway Bride made her phone call from.
Poor thing. I can just imagine walking out of that bus station and looking around. Too bad she didn't have more money, she was soo close to Central Ave and a lot of cheap seedy motels. I lived in one for about a month. It would have been an experience she would have never forgotten. I don't reget it.
.
Ripley,
I didn't know there was a Versailles KY but I made a similar mistake asking directory assistance for a number in Versey Indianna. Hahaha. The didn't have one of those cities.
Dean is not presidential. A lot fire, spunk, and smarts--but not presidential. Kerry beat his ass on poise, confidence and "looking-presidential."
So is it going to be Spitzer and Clinton in 2008?
Well, I sound like I swallowed a dictionary: what does that mean?
As I understand the accent thing: there is a little crescent that extends throught parts of Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa where there really is no accent. Northern Michiganders are recognizable as are Southerners.
I'm trying some different for photos.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums.../
werefucked.jpg
*Everyone* loves Mr. T!
I pity the fool who doesn't.
Dean lost because he got scared and complacent in Iowa.
SWR, I respectfully disagee. Dean lost in IA b/c the corporate/consultant dems were scared he'd go left and b/c BushCo(TM) was just scared. So they painted him as a "nut" with the ever-present help of the SCLM.
Dean needed to very politely tell Sharpton something like:
"Al. I'm fully in support of hiring minorities but there are like three fucking black people in Vermont so don't be an idiot. And oh yeah, how much did the Republicans pay you to say that?"
Thers is Bayside, Res. You?
NYMary ... I'm in Liberal Elitist Manhattan, but Not-Mister-Res lives on the border of Woodside and Jackson Heights, so I am in Queens often.
I was driving thru KY once
Yeah, I did that too, once.
It was really fucking hard to get any traction.
hiya spawn.
Behave yourself or we'll tattle.
I've rec'd 2 e-mails from Ken Mehlman in less than a week.
Why are they pushing so hard for Judge Brown in CA? Sounds like they're trying to push some judicial activism in the blue states.
SWR ... LOL!!!!!!
It works altho I don't really the setup.
DWD-you're right. When we lived in CA, everyone would ask my wife "what part of the south are you from"--she's from Ohio.
mr.T for prez!!!!
mr.T for prez!!!!
"Stay in school! Get out of Iraq!"
But if bobo's source is correct,
I'm gonna go ape shit!!!!!!!!!
ErinPDX
Erin, IF true, we can lobby Reid starting NOW. Big time.
SD
I was driving thru KY once
Yeah, I did that too, once.
It was really fucking hard to get any traction.
Maybe you needed some new rubber.
I've rec'd 2 e-mails from Ken Mehlman in less than a week.
Asking you what you were wearing?
Hiya, vicula! Didja see where someone was talking about how beautiful Kentucky women are?
Hey Eli,
No I missed that but it is undeniably true. Hoo boy. And Louisville is the sister city of Mount Pillier (HA) France.
Eli,
On Mr. T's E True Hollywood Story, they noted that the cancer to which he fell victim was "ironocally, T-cell carcinoma." Oh, how I wish I were making that up.
sheesh only a few of you guys actually bring facts and decent debating points to the table. Most of you just yell names like gradeschoolers or desolve into frustrated impotent rage. The cold hard facts are, for over 10 years, since '94, other than getting Clinton elected (and accomplishing zero in the way of a liberal agenda) the Dems have been on a losing streak. The total hatred most of you seem to have for the majority of US citizens seems to pretty much explain it. Next you'll start losing religious blacks and Hispanics, like you have lost the Catholics. I realise you do despise religious people, but you ought to pratice some of your famous "tolerance" if you ever want to win another election or congressional majority.
Remember that any Scotsman always has liquor on his breath while he's trying to weasel out of a check.
Anyone remember the Monty Python sketch about the famous Scottish poet whose poems were all either requests to loan him money or excuses for not being able to pay it back?
Poet McTeagle
btw, all the skits are here:
alphabetical listing
Kerry beat his ass on poise, confidence and "looking-presidential."
Yes, that took us quite far.
Poise, confidence, and looking presidential are obviously not pre-requisites for getting elected. Just look at the jackass living at 1600 PA Ave.
I realise you do despise religious people, but you ought to pratice some of your famous "tolerance" if you ever want to win another election or congressional majority.
Jesse Ventura said:
"Religion is a crutch for weak minded people."
And he got elected in a hick Midwestern state without either major party.
puppets ...
tell it to one of your gorgeous Republican women.
The women of "SNL" (Pohler, Rudolph, and Dratch) are great.
Poise, confidence, and looking presidential are obviously not pre-requisites for getting elected. Just look at the jackass living at 1600 PA Ave.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 11:44 pm | #
At least he made a race of it--with Dean, we'd never even gotten out of the starting blocks.
I'll take that chill pill you prescribed, Eli.
Quentin - interesting info on Plame. But isn't Fitz also part of that investigation into a nonprofit org in chicago? judith chalabi miller supposedly tipped them off that they were to be searched the next morning....?
Poise, confidence, and looking presidential are obviously not pre-requisites for getting elected. Just look at the jackass living at 1600 PA Av********************************
you need paperless voting machines to get elected
NYMary ... How did you and Thers meet? You're not from Queens, right?
The women of "SNL" (Pohler, Rudolph, and Dratch) are great.
You forgot Poehler....
's Weekend Update partner, Tina Fey.
with Dean, we'd never even gotten out of the starting blocks.
I call Bullshit.
puppets:
If you're still here -- and if you
are, you're even more pathetic than
all of us here think you are --
then just blow me.
Okay?
Why are we even arguing about issues?
Just blow me.
It would make more sense than
anything you've ever posted or
will post.
I thank you.
PS: Please return my copy of
Al Pacino in Cruising.
The deluxe DVD restored version
if you can find it.
Say what you want--Dean was like Wallace in '68..Appealed to the core, but not the middle.
This accent discussion is interesting. Over the last few years as I've lurked and posted there's been a gradual enlightenment about various poster's personality, gender and location. I've often wondered what all of you looked like, but due to the limitations of text communication didn't really think much about vocal variations. I hope I can make it to Eschacon to add this dimention to many of you I only know through this blog.
At least he made a race of it--with Dean, we'd never even gotten out of the starting blocks.
Dean struck me as a little too half-assed. When he said "we need even-handedness between the Palestinians and Israelis" and backed down just as quickly, you get the sense he really didn't have a position on it, that he was riding the wave of leftist enthusiasm. Clinton would have said the same thing more diplomatically and would have thought it through too carefully to back down as soon as Joementum attacked him.
Dean was fine as a candidate but there was something about him that struck me as not really being there to win the White House.
Just look at the jackass living at 1600 PA Ave.
Res Ipsa Loquitor
Res, every day I do that. Every day I court a stroke, or at least weep and gnash teeth.
Just got back with the wife.
Went and saw Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy.
I never read the book.
Perhaps I should. It might have given this movie some perspective since the movie itself fails on so many accounts.
One thing I have to say.
Are there any brits on the board today?
Cause I need to ask some of you guys/gals "How the F*CK can you understand a F*CKING thing each other is saying?!?!?!"
The movie is rightfully cast with an almost all-british run of actors and actresses but for the life of me I couldn't understand a damn thing anyone was saying half the time.
The speed at which they spoke, the mumbling, the almost stutter-like sentences, it makes one cry in frustration.
What's worse is that I've seen some of these actors star in movies made by americans in america and I know for damned sure they don't *always* talk like they do in brit-only made movies.
I like most british fare, including Monty Python, The Young Ones, and some recent movies like Sawn of the Dead was good. But even then I couldn't understand a thing they were saying.
Now here's what's funny.
Mrs MYOB and I spoke about this after the movie. She mentioned a few of the ladies whom her company manages that were british. I made a joke that if british men talk that fast they must have tongues the ladies can't refuse.
She laughed cause according to the girls she spoke to british guys gain no advantage whatsoever from talking that fast.
Oh well.
The movie could be considered good since the time did fly while watching it. But it did seem like it was cutting a lot out and ended it with half the story still to be seen.
Out of 10 I'd give it a 6 at best, 5 at worst.
MYOB'
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Res,
Nothing's sexier than grad school. Arguing over the conference table is the best aphrodisiac.
Before retiring, I also sound like the recent Leonard Cohen. In fact one of my school children asked, as I had a little Cohen on, if that was me? Mrs DWD is not totally opposed to going to Eschacon - so perhaps.
But isn't Fitz also part of that investigation into a nonprofit org in chicago? judith chalabi miller supposedly tipped them off that they were to be searched the next morning....?
Why yes, you're correct. I've been wondering the same thing, if the Plame investigation has lead Fitzgerald into other areas of investigation. Sorta like when you pick up a rock and all kinds of crawly things start to scatter.
Waiting patiently... /drums fingers on the desk
Res, every day I do that. Every day I court a stroke, or at least weep and gnash teeth.
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 11:50 pm | #
Me too.
Lawn mowing helps.
Just ask GWDPA.
I call Bullshit.
Central Scrutinizer | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 11:50 pm |
Call it all you want-facts don't lie.
Nothing's sexier than grad school. Arguing over the conference table is the best aphrodisiac.
I'm going to save this just in case I ever decide to become a whore for the Republicans.
But I'm going to change it slightly:
Nothing's sexier than grad school. Arguing over the conference table in French is the best aphrodisiac.
You're never going to be President.
Quentin - interesting info on Plame. But isn't Fitz also part of that investigation into a nonprofit org in chicago? judith chalabi miller supposedly tipped them off that they were to be searched the next morning....?
ErinPDX
Not Judith Fucking Miller again. What did she stick her nose into this time?
*Everyone* loves Mr. T!
I pity the fool who doesn't.
NYMary
Who wouldn't love him after seeing this!
Oh, and the "puppets"-troll = Useless Timewaster™...
Damn, Quentin. I'm not getting that MoDo Alterman panel. I've got some schmuck from the Heritage Foundation.
Le bigvic, it is not her nose, it is her mouth, ya know?
SWR,
Mais oui! Bien sur!
I'll never be president. I openly admit that I've smoked dope. Plus, there's the whole lack-of-penis thing.
MisterX,
I got an error. But that better not have been D.C. Cab.
Call it all you want-facts don't lie.
What "facts" are those?
Dean had the sac to call bush on his lies, Kerry didn't.
Joe sixpack would have appreciated that.
Where do you get that Clinton was a great politician? The Dems lost both houses repeatedly under him, he only managed to beat 2 very weak Republican candidates, helped along by 3rd party challenges, and never won a majority, plus he accomplished virtually nothing during his 8 years that liberals can look back on and love- 8 wasted years. His major accomplishment was surviving scandals. Personally, if I were a liberal I'd have been furious with him for squandering the first Dem presidency in a generation with his immature, and perhaps psychopathological, lying and idiocy. He also probably sank Gore, despite your 'stolen election' ranting, Gore should have won walking away in 2000, instead he lost his own home state etc. Clinton was only good for Clinton. And Hillary continues to be a drag on the party. If a fresh face could break out of her shadow, you guys might have a chance at winning in '08. Instead, the media is going to focus on Hillary Hillary Hillary, and that woman will never be elected president. It sucks to be a Dem these days.
I got an error. But that better not have been D.C. Cab.
Maybe it was his turn as the Bearded Lady in Freaked.
SWR - Frank explained the why in his book about Kansas.
In a nutshell, people are stupid.
Jennifer
Actually, I think that a lot of people love to be lied to. They don't want the truth, they want a story that persuades and makes them believe. They want...razzle dazzle?
Give 'em the old razzle dazzle
Razzle Dazzle 'em
Give 'em an act with lots of flash in it
And the reaction will be passionate
Give 'em the old hocus pocus
Bead and feather 'em
How can they see with sequins in their eyes?
What if your hinges all are rusting?
What if, in fact, you're just disgusting?
Razzle dazzle 'em
And they;ll never catch wise!
Give 'em the old double whammy
Daze and dizzy 'em
Back since the days of old Methuselah
Everyone loves the big bambooz-a-ler
The cold hard facts are, for over 10 years, since '94, other than getting Clinton elected (and accomplishing zero in the way of a liberal agenda) the Dems have been on a losing streak. The total hatred most of you seem to have for the majority of US citizens seems to pretty much explain it. Next you'll start losing religious blacks and Hispanics, like you have lost the Catholics. I realise you do despise religious people, but you ought to pratice some of your famous "tolerance" if you ever want to win another election or congressional majority.
Facts? Sound like opinions, suppositions, assumptions, and predictions to me. But I don't see any facts.
there is a little crescent that extends throught parts of Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa where there really is no accent. Northern Michiganders are recognizable as are Southerners.
DWD
My understanding for the reason of this is that English was a learned language for so many of the people that settled in those areas. They were determined to speak properly and practiced the "classic American" pronuciations.
MYOB, I know what you mean about the accents. I never understand the first 5 minutes of any British films, but after that I seemed to catch on. Renting them was always a good option, after it was over I'd rewatch the beginning to see what I'd missed.
she was soo close to Central Ave and a lot of cheap seedy motels. I lived in one for about a month. It would have been an experience she would have never forgotten. I don't reget it.
I managed to get the "Presidential Suite" one of those places for about $20 a night. Not bad, except for the filthy mattress leaning against the wall in the hallway.
A friend of mine got a nasty case of foot fungus in one of 'em, though.
Driving through KY is undoubtedly more appealing than diving through it...particularly if you have a British tongue...
Actually, I think that a lot of people love to be lied to. They don't want the truth, they want a story that persuades and makes them believe. They want...razzle dazzle?
They also don't like to admit to having been scammed. Watching my father fall for that Swift Boat crap was a bit like watching some dumb tourist fall for the "I lost my wallet and need 20 bucks to get back home" scam at Penn Station.
People know Bush lied to them but admitting that means admitting they got scammed. And they won't do it.
Dean had the sac to call bush on his lies, Kerry didn't.
Joe sixpack would have appreciated that.
Central Scrutinizer | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 11:56 pm | #
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Joe sixpack is smarter than you think--Dean lost every primary, except two or three.
DWD,
Heh. But still, what is she up to in this investigation? I don't trust that scary rat.
"Hiya, vicula! Didja see where someone was talking about how beautiful Kentucky women are?"
Kentucky has the largest majority of fat, ugly, chain-smoking, poor-white-trash women in the country.
I never knew there existed a state where the official state color was camouflage, or the official decor' consisted of T-shirts with NASCAR or Jack Daniels logos.
I went into a Wal-Mart in Louisville and could not find a single good looking woman in the joint.
Now I know why they make Kentucky bourbon. It's used almost as much to help make them look prettier as it is to committ suicide once you wake up next to them the following day when. The men usually don't take showers mainly in hopes of scaring the local women off.
It's that bad people.
MYOB'
.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Dean manage to lose every single primary except his home state, ranking no higher than 3rd anywhere, and behind Clark and even Lieberman in several primaries? He was completely a media construct, his support among actual votes was a mile wide in December and about an inch deep. He would have been crushed in a debacle of McGovern/Mondale-esque proportions. If he couldn't win Dem primaries, where lefties predominate, how the hell do you figure he'd have won any electoral votes outside of New England?
Good evening Freethinkers.
Cheers,
[allegedly] Arne Langsetmo | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 11:22 pm | #
Hmmm, did Gordon just wake up from his three-day bender? Or did he just get released from the hospital after Geoffrey pistol-whipped him for being such an arse? Whatever. It's been a quiet couple of days here since I pointed out Gordon's ugly mug at Dogsnot and posted the admin address (Geoffrey Burnham's) for Dogsnot...
BTW, Gordon, there is no "langsetmo.com". Want to use a real address that will get you in trouble? C'mon, flirt with danger....
Cheers,
Once again Jesse Ventura won Minnesota as a third party candidate and he was the guy who said "religion is a crutch for weak minded people".
You can be elected if you despise religion. You just have to shut up about it and tell people it's none of their damned business if they ask you.
You'll lose the evangelical freak vote but you'll win the votes of people who would othewise despise you if you pretended to be religious.
Kerry didn't lose because of the media. The election wasn't stolen. Kerry lost because he had a culturally tin ear.
Uh, those three things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
I knew from the beginning that a) the SCLM would smear Kerry, as they do every four years, no matter who the Dems nominate (and as they most certainly did by promoting the Swift Boat Liars), and b) Kerry would have to win by a very wide margin in order to overcome electronic thuggery.
Remember, if the Dems nominated Jesus Christ for President, the Mighty Wurlitzer would be relentlessly pushing stories down our throats about how He allegedly had a kinky foot affair with a prostitute; how He turned a non-alcoholic wedding in Cana into a boozefest; and how, despite His claims to be a man of peace, He threw hard-working moneychangers out of the temple.
That said, I think Frank makes some important points about how backlash politics currently works, though he has no solution to offer the Dems. And he seems to ignore the role the Mighty Wurlitzer plays in promoting those backlash politics.
For example, Frank approvingly quotes a Republican operative who claims that people really like the Shrub's cowboy image. Bush as an authentic cowboy??? Gimme a break. The guy in the Village People is more of an authentic cowboy than the Shrub. It's such a transparently phony pose that an honest journalist, if one still exists, would have no trouble at all puncturing it. But the Mighty Wurlitzer has relentlesly pushed that phony image down our throats, and only those of us who, for whatever reasons, are relatively immune to propaganda bombardments and brainwashing can see through it.
Joe sixpack is smarter than you think--Dean lost every primary, except two or three.
PD
Not sure how that makes Joe Sixpack smart.
It's possible, too, that the media had a little something to do with it. Not everything, mind you, but a little something.
Joe sixpack is smarter than you think
Yeah, that's why they voted for bush.
MYOB--Assholes like you cost the election.
Eli ...
Christ, how could I have forgotten Fey? I'm a fool. All the men I know are nuts about her.
NYMary ...
I can think of something almost as sexy I was Not-Mister-Res' BOSS! heh heh heh!!!
For example, Frank approvingly quotes a Republican operative who claims that people really like the Shrub's cowboy image. Bush as an authentic cowboy???
No. He quoted some blue collar idiot in West Virginia, not a Republican operative.
The fact that you misread it proves him right.
Oh, and then after the election, some of us would be moaning about what a poor candidate Jesus Christ was.
...and closed captioning on dvd's is particularly helpful in translating English to American.
MYOB, looking for attractive women at Wal-Mart is like looking for virgins in a strip joint...females ones, anyways...
MisterX,
I got an error. But that better not have been D.C. Cab.
NYMary
Good lord, no! I'd never link to anything THAT crappy.
This is a link to Mr. T's sublime "Treat Her Right" video...
Heh.
For example, Frank approvingly quotes a Republican operative who claims that people really like the Shrub's cowboy image.
Too bad Babs let her cowboy grow up to be a baby.
Kentucky has the largest majority of fat, ugly, chain-smoking, poor-white-trash women in the country.
Jeepers H. Christmas. That was insulting. WTF part of town were hanging out in? You expect to find sophisticated, charming folks in WalMart? Puleeze.
MYOB--Assholes like you cost the election.
Oh bullshit. The Republicans despise the working-class more than the Dems do and they let people know it.
But the working-class simply respects people who despise them.
It really is that simple. Don't suck up to idiots. Treat them like dirt and use them like cheap whores.
And they'll fall in love with your big flight suit.
NYMary ...
I can think of something almost as sexy I was Not-Mister-Res' BOSS! heh heh heh!!!
Hubba hubba! Now there's a topic worthy of a Saturday night thread!
Oh, and then after the election, some of us would be moaning about what a poor candidate Jesus Christ was.
monchie b. monchum | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:04 am | #
No. I'd be laughing at the fool who thinks Kerry is Jesus Christ.
puppets:
we won the last four presidential
elections.
Deal with it.
MYOB: Now I know why they make Kentucky bourbon. It's used almost as much to help make them look prettier as it is to committ suicide once you wake up next to them the following day when.
Ashley Fuckin' Judd, biotch!
.
Joe sixpack is smarter than you think
Yeah, that's why they voted for bush.
Central Scrutinizer | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:03
You're right--"smarter" was a bad choice of words. But, Dean didn't appeal to Mr. Sixpack. Too squishy of a guy, even with the strong words. He just didn't look presidential.
It's possible, too, that the media had a little something to do with it. Not everything, mind you, but a little something.
Dean Scream, anyone?
MYOB--Assholes like you cost the election.
PD | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:03 am | #
Tough talk.
You gotta admire someone who talks tough on a computer.
Saying I cost the election?
I voted for Bush so what the hell are you talking about?
My side won dumbass!
MYOB'
.
Ashley Fuckin' Judd, biotch!
.
Jeffraham Prestonian | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:07 am | #
What about her?
MYOB'
.
Kerry's fatal mistake, IMHO, was letting Bob Shrum do anything more than hand out flyers for his campaign.
Shrum's a fucking DINO. Honestly, hiring him gave me some lingering doubts about his judgment.
The NASA bunny outfit, the windsurfing, the duck hunting disaster. That shit resonates with sound bite voters, and distracts voters' attention from the obvious fact that Shrub is the world's longest trainwreck in the White House.
They jumped to Carville at the last minute, but it was too late and goddammit that election was ours to win.
You've gotta factor in that they'll cheat with the voting machines, and that there is a lot of cognitive dissonance in the electorate, so there's absolutely no room for that kind of nonsense if you want to dislodge them.
But if bobo's source is correct,
I'm gonna go ape shit!!!!!!!!!
ErinPDX
Actually, one of the blogs I read recently (damn, who was it?) remarked that Reid only made the "compromise" suggestion to Frist so that the Democrats wouldn't look like obstructionists. Then Frist says "no way in hell" and is voila! outmanuevered by Reid and looks obstructionist as hell. Or some such.
Look, folks. Reid knows what he's doing. After all, he was the gaming commissioner in Nevada. He knows how to play hardball. I trust him...so far.
MYOB--Assholes like you cost the election.
Let's face it, Mencken was right about Democratic politics to a certain extent.
You have to realize that the majority of the American people are never going to be that smart, never going to think for themselves, then figure out how to fucking use that to your advantage.
Bush did that.
You can't go into an election with a tin ear than whine about how the media cost you the election. If you didn't know the media was going to be biased in June of 2004, you didn't deserve to win.
Hey Quentin, that was me asking Modo about the odds of Judy Miller going to the slammer.
They got my "YES!!!" and a bit later
my identifying Gucky by his nom de slut -- "Bulldog."
Dean was very impressive in person.
No. He quoted some blue collar idiot in West Virginia, not a Republican operative.
From the Frank artiicle:
In the city of Charleston, West Virginia, I was told by a conservative activist that "when you see those photos of [Bush] on his ranch down in Texas, with jeans and a cowboy hat, that's genuine..."
In my experience, "conservative activist" has often been a journalistic euphemism for Republican operative.
And there's nothing in the story that I can see that would indicate the guy is blue collar. But maybe I missed something.
White House Correspondents’ Dinner
I caught the last part of the dinner tonight, but unfortunately only heard the last few lines of Mrs. Bush’s speech. She evidently surprised everyone by giving the speech in the place of the President and her reviews were rave. The part I caught was excellent. I will have to catch the replay of the entire thing on C-Span.
Cedric the Entertainer was the featured comedian. He did a good job, and stayed away from anything really controversial. The most controversial line he had was about the first black Pope being passed up for the Hitler Youth Pope. When there was an audible pause, and maybe even a few groans, from the audience, Cedric said he didn’t come up with it on his own, he was only repeating what those in the room had said about the Pope.
I especially enjoyed his bit on Condoleeza Rice. She seemed to enjoy it pretty much herself. He talked about how much he liked her “soulful” name. He said it was almost like two different names. There is “Connie” who is the serious diplomat, then there is “De Leeza” who sits at home with her hair up in curlers talking to her girlfriends on the phone while watching BET. It was a very funny skit and Condi seemed to get a really big kick out of it.
If anyone caught the first part of the dinner on C-Span, which I unfortunately missed, please share your reviews in the comments section.
And they'll fall in love with your big flight suit.
SWR | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:
Do your homework and you'll realize why the south is all RED. Attitude, attitude, attitude.
Dean was very impressive in person.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I went into a Wal-Mart in Louisville and could not find a single good looking woman in the joint.
Well, you were in a Wal-Mart. I know if I were looking for good looking people anywhere in the country, Wal-Mart is the last place I would go. Kentucky, New York, Vermont, or California.
MYOB: What about her?
Would have been born in KY, 'cept for the stars in Mom's eyes, but was raised there, in my hometown, actually. Maybe that's why I have that incestuous lust for her.
.
Dean Scream, anyone?
Central Scrutinizer
I thought Kerry was a fine candidate, by the way. I don't think Dean would've done any better.
And I disagree with SWR, insofar as the media really are a huge part of it. If we had honest media, Bush never would've won the governor's seat, let alone the White House. I don't think the public is stupid, or too religious, or any of that. I think the people who are supposed to be informing them are greedy, lazy, incompetent, cynical, and scared in various measures.
I'm tired of seeing the people at the bottom get blamed for failures at the top.
Bush did that.
Rove did that.
And there's nothing in the story that I can see that would indicate the guy is blue collar. But maybe I missed something.
"Conservative Activist" in West Virginia? Sounds blue collar to me.
And why would a leftist writer like Tom Frank cover up for a Republican operative?
Remember, if the Dems nominated Jesus Christ for President, the Mighty Wurlitzer would be relentlessly pushing stories down our throats about how He allegedly had a kinky foot affair with a prostitute; how He turned a non-alcoholic wedding in Cana into a boozefest
Correct. The media whores acted like a single word Chimp said made sense and talked up GOP TP's about how BOLD and STEADY his LEADERSHIP was. Hahahaha. Meanwhile Kerry kept his dignity and beat the pants off Chimp in all 3 debates.
I was driving thru KY once
Yeah, I did that too, once.
It was really fucking hard to get any traction.
Thersites
Thers, you gotta try out the Astroglide. Just sayin'.
Now I know why they make Kentucky bourbon. It's used almost as much to help make them look prettier as it is to committ suicide once you wake up next to them the following day when. The men usually don't take showers mainly in hopes of scaring the local women off.
It's that bad people.
MYOB'
How are the men, MYOB'? Any better?
Jeepers H. Christmas. That was insulting. WTF part of town were hanging out in? You expect to find sophisticated, charming folks in WalMart? Puleeze.
Le bigvic | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:06 am | #
Here's where it all comes crashing down Bigvic.
It's a joke for crying out loud people!
My mother was born in Cumberland, Kentucky, down along the state line near Tennessee. I joke cause I've been there enough to say with all honesty that the women there are on average not that attractive. Most are indeed overweight and smoke far, far too much.
MYOB'
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Do your homework and you'll realize why the south is all RED. Attitude, attitude, attitude.
PD
Except that it's...uh...not.
I don't really know how much I respect the political sophistication of people who buy into the red state/blue state thing.
Well, you were in a Wal-Mart. I know if I were looking for good looking people anywhere in the country, Wal-Mart is the last place I would go. Kentucky, New York, Vermont, or California.
Carpbasman | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:11 am | #
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And everyone that shops at Wal-mart has the same vote as you. Attitude again!
I'm tired of seeing the people at the bottom get blamed for failures at the top.
Phila
Amen, dear (if I may address you thusly).
Call it all you want-facts don't lie.
PD
Methinks I smell the all too familiar scent of the "reasonable Democrat" troll. Claiming that Wallace represented the "core" of the Democratic Party in '68 is a standard piece of neocon revisionism.
Facts? Here's some facts. Truman represented the core in '48. Thurmond did not. Humphrey represented the core in '68. Wallace did not. Wallace represented the conservative wing of the Democratic Party, and thankfully we've become a bit more enlightened since then.
Really, this is the old "kiss the fag-bashers and fundie nuts" argument all over again. Fuck em.
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Correct. The media whores acted like a single word Chimp said made sense and talked up GOP TP's about how BOLD and STEADY his LEADERSHIP was.
That's because like all whores they get wet between the legs at a show of confidence and strength.
Kerry had a ton of money. He could have very easily hit back over the Swift Boat ads but he chose not to.
How are the men, MYOB'? Any better?
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:13 am | #
You like mullets?
Shirts with no sleeves?
MYOB'
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OT: Just jumping in, so I don't know if anybody else said it, but:
Some lines at DailyKos looked awful familiar, oh yeah, that's cause puppets took them from Powerline...
...without attribution.
If you see him before I do, tell him even his wingnut friends must consider him slime.
MYOB ... Did you really vote for Bush?
"Conservative Activist" in West Virginia? Sounds blue collar to me.
Believe it or not, there are actually people who work in offices in West Virginia. Even Republican Party offices. Even Republican front group offices.
I repeat, there is not a single indication in the story that the guy is blue collar. Show me one, and I'll admit it.
Methinks I smell the all too familiar scent of the "reasonable Democrat" troll.
Thanks, friend.
If you didn't know the media was going to be biased in June of 2004, you didn't deserve to win.
SWR | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:10 am | #
heh give me a break. Name one single negative story the MSM did on Kerry the entire election. They ignored the SBVT until the blogs made them pay attention, and then they only wrote about them to slam them, accuse them of being Republican shills and defend Kerry. The media has NEVER so backed one candidate, and they took a bath. The power of the big city papers and the alphabet networks will never recover. Bush faced an non-stop negative pounding from the mainstream media and still won easily, and led the last 3 months entirely.
Its funny how you guys chalk it all up to the stupidity of the American public. Keep that mindset, it will keep you out of power, and ultimately lead to the demise of the Dem party. It never occurs to you that perhaps the majority of Americans don't agree with your elitist, religion hating socialism and UN-loving/American blaming foreign policy ideas. You guys were smart enough to give up on gun control, lay off the hatred of America and give the public the idea that the Dems can actually defend the country, ala Truman/FDR, and you might get somewhere. The pacifist/blame America firsters (basically the MoveOn/Kos-atrios/Dean faction) are killing the party. And as a Republican, I love you guys
Amen, dear (if I may address you thusly).
Sarah, Phila's "dear" for all of us. (He's so easy....)
Jeffraham Prestonian | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:12 am | #
Where is your hometown?
As I note above my mother is from southern Kentucky, Cumberland to be exact. Coal miners all of them.
MYOB'
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Kerry had a ton of money. He could have very easily hit back over the Swift Boat ads but he chose not to.
SWR
I don't always agree with SWR, but on this he is spot on. Kerry shouldn't have needed polls or handlers to realize that this was the issue he had to throw down on. It would have been the defining moment of his victorious campaign.
I don't really know how much I respect the political sophistication of people who buy into the red state/blue state thing.
Stunning Nudibranch yesterday, BTW. There are some exceptions to that rule but I agree that the whole red/blue thing is way overrated.
MYOB', what's a mullet? Sorry to be so effing ignorant. Is it a fish??
No, not so crazy for shirts w/out sleeves.
Believe it or not, there are actually people who work in offices in West Virginia. Even Republican Party offices. Even Republican front group offices.
I repeat, there is not a single indication in the story that the guy is blue collar. Show me one, and I'll admit it.
You're grouping Frank in with the rest of the media and saying he's using a code term to cover up for a Republican operative.
The term is imprecise but your tarring of a very leftist writer with the same brush as you'd tar Chris Mathews doesn't speak well for your understanding of the issue either.
FWIW, I know plenty of people (who aren't Republican operatives) who buy the Bush is authentic line. It works. It's not just the media.
Mullets are not regional.
I live in a solidly blue state, but lots of folks in my hometwown, men and women, fixed their fashion sense in 1977 and have not shifted a whit. I know women who never stopped feathering.
Jesus was a pacifist. Or did you forget that part of the bible?
I don't always agree with SWR, but on this he is spot on. Kerry shouldn't have needed polls or handlers to realize that this was the issue he had to throw down on. It would have been the defining moment of his victorious campaign.
Pez | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:19 am | #
Kerry promised he'd do just that in the primaries and he didn't.
Quite simply, he lied.
What the hell is that high-pitched whine I keep hearing?
Skeeters?
MYOB', what's a mullet? Sorry to be so effing ignorant. Is it a fish??
No, not so crazy for shirts w/out sleeves.
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:20 am | #
Its the standard hairdo for aging, Pat-like lesbians- I mean the real life lesbians, not the lipstick lesbians so prevalent in popular mythology.
MYOB ... Did you really vote for Bush?
Res Ipsa Loquitor | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:17 am | #
No.
But it was a nice come back you have to admit right?
MYOB'
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Sarah,
A mullet is a male haircut, short on top, long in the back. Very popular among a certain segment of the population.
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/
I'm tired of seeing the people at the bottom get blamed for failures at the top.
That's an interesting take on the whole Guckert fiasco...
There it is again!
SWR: I think you tend to underestimate the power of War and how it magnifies the natural advantage of the incumbent. You and I know the whole thing is a misbegotten crock, but there is a great big chunk of America that reasoned, "We were attacked, we went after the bad guys, and we haven't had another major attack. Better not switch horses midstream."
And the OBL video on the edge of the election reminded people of what they considered Bush's best moment, and sent the undecideds toward Bush rather than the challenger.
Methinks I smell the all too familiar scent of the "reasonable Democrat" troll.
Yeah, same here. It's just so "obvious" that the "attitude" of people on Eschaton cost the Dems the election, because it's insulting to Red Staters and the working class and the religious. And the DNC pretty much took its platform from Eschaton comment threads, after all.
Calling Democrats treasonous and baby-killers and Saddam-lovers, on the other hand, is just dandy.
Personally, I'd rather be called stupid than evil. But as a liberal, I get to be called both by elected officials. Hooray!
I don't think the public is stupid, or too religious, or any of that
Phila, but how do you explain the popularity of TV shows such as "American Idol" or "Fear Factor", or any of the dregs of popular culture (not to say there are no redeeming qualities to some popular culture). Willful Ignorance seems to be a major factor in this, and even an enlightened media could only do so much to combat it.
No.
But it was a nice come back you have to admit right?
It definitely startled me. So, yeah. It was.
Going to bed, Liberal Elitists!
Bon soir, as they say in the country Repukes love to hate.
Phila's "dear" for all of us. (He's so easy....)
NYMary
NYMary
MYOB: Where is your hometown?
As I note above my mother is from southern Kentucky, Cumberland to be exact. Coal miners all of them.
Where Coal Meets Iron, home of the Fighting Paul G. Blazer Tomcats -- Ashland, KY. When I was growing up, and Armco Steel was still owned by Americans, population was around 36K. That's fallen to about 24K, now.
Home of Chuck Woolery -- even has a street named after 'im!
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Methinks I smell the all too familiar scent of the "reasonable Democrat" troll. Claiming that Wallace represented the "core" of the Democratic Party in '68 is a standard piece of neocon revisionism.
Say what you want--Dean was like Wallace in '68..Appealed to the core, but not the middle.
PD | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 11:50 pm | #
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Who said anything about a "Democratic" core--it was an analogy.
SD: Mullet.
MYOB', what's a mullet? Sorry to be so effing ignorant. Is it a fish??
No, not so crazy for shirts w/out sleeves.
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:20 am | #
Here ya go Sarah.
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/
http://www.mulletjunky.com/
http://www.ilovemullets.com/
The ugliest hair style ever invented.
When in combination with sleeveless t-shirts and camouflage pants you can expect it to draw as many flies as it does Kentucky women.
MYOB'
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Jesus was a pacifist. Or did you forget that part of the bible?
Ripley | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:21 am | #
He still kicked the money-lenders' asses when the time came.
SWR: I think you tend to underestimate the power of War and how it magnifies the natural advantage of the incumbent.
Partly true but partly not.
The Democrats made a huge mistake by buying into the uniform worship the rest of the country does (ie by nominating Kerry on the strength of his Vietnam service).
We still might have lost with another candidate but we would have done more to build a movement. We would have resembled Goldwaterites in 1964 and not the Demcrats in 1988.
All right, I have tomorrow's crossword up. I need a seven letter word for "total git; twat; regurgitates wingnut blog farts without attribution."
Second letter is a "u."
Sarah,
A mullet is a male haircut, short on top, long in the back. Very popular among a certain segment of the population.
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/
NYMary
Ohhh!!! I have always referred to it as the "whiteboy" haircut!!
Thanks!
Well, science can now be satisfied that after 700 comments, the conversation turns to mullets.
"It's a madhouse! A madhouse!"
(Shut up, Charlton.)
THERE! Did you hear that?
What the fuck is it?
Sarah,
Wow! Some horrifying links for you. Hope you get the whole "mullet" thing now!
I really would have loved to see Clark as the Republican nominee, but he would have had to do a lot of learning on the fly.
Because right now we are the Democrats in 1988, looking around for another clever politician like Clinton to save us from ourselves instead of building for the future.
I honestly hate fucking John Kerry. He lied to the activist base during the primaries. That "I'm going to hit the Republicans back" line was only a lie to keep us in the party.
Kerry knew he was going to lose and he wanted to run in 2004 so he could raise funds and build an organization for 2008.
All right, I have tomorrow's crossword up. I need a seven letter word for "total git; twat; regurgitates wingnut blog farts without attribution."
Second letter is a "u."
Thersites
pu pu platter?
Wait, let me count that again (darned English major brain! Only works on one side!)
And the OBL video on the edge of the election reminded people of what they considered Bush's best moment, and sent the undecideds toward Bush rather than the challenger.
nick carrawaaaaay
I guess I'm in the minority of folks who regarded that as damaging to Shrub. The one person on the entire globe who kicked the President in the balls and got away with it was giving him the finger three years later.
Boy hidey, did Laura Bush ever get off some zingers at the Dinner tonight (courtesy of Wonkette):
"The amazing thing is that George and I were just meant to be. I was a librarian who spent 12 hours a day in the library, yet somehow I met George."
"People often wonder what my mother-in-law is really like. People think she's a sweet, grandmotherly Aunt Bee type. She's actually more like Don Corleone."
"George's answer to any problem at the ranch is to cut it down with a chainsaw. Which I think is why he and Cheney and Rumsfeld get along so well."
OUCH
Er, as the *Democratic* nominee. No idea where that came from...
Phila, but how do you explain the popularity of TV shows such as "American Idol" or "Fear Factor", or any of the dregs of popular culture
Well, I hate to tell you, but I know a lot of liberals who watch crap like that for the kitsch value, or just because it's a relief to turn your brain off for an hour.
I'm not a mindreader, so I don't know what these folks are thinking. But I do know that if they're as stupid as everyone thinks, you can't really get angry at them for being malleable.
It's kind of like the Abu Ghraib thing. Do you blame Lyndie England, who's obviously dumb as a post, or do you blame the people who are actually in charge of things?
You're grouping Frank in with the rest of the media and saying he's using a code term to cover up for a Republican operative.
Frank's not covering up -- he's just using a convenient shorthand media term that includes both those who work directly for the Republican Party and those who work for it indirectly through Republican-friendly front groups, such as the Christian Coalition, whether as volunteer or paid employee. There's nothing sinister or dishonest about using that term.
And I've skimmed the article again and still see no indication that the guy was blue collar.
Look, I generally respect Frank and don't consider him a presstitute like, say, Chris Matthews or Little Russ. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with him 100%.
Kerry didn't lose because of the media. The election wasn't stolen. Kerry lost because he had a culturally tin ear.
SWR | Email | Homepage | 04.30.05 - 10:35 pm | #
Right, and also because the media never showed people that pic Atrios (or Attaturk or somebody) showed us last year of Bush in that wtf fur coat. And the pics of Bush rubbing people's heads, they couldn't have shown them as many times as Kerry on a windsurf board?
Etc.
Good night, boonmats (bon mots?).
Latest Curly Vid, for those who missed it earlier...
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Oh yeah, also 'cause how many ordinary voters were told that Lynne had written a lesbian western?
Or that thing about Laura and her car?
Look, I generally respect Frank and don't consider him a presstitute like, say, Chris Matthews or Little Russ. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with him 100%.
To me that article seems so dead on accurate I can't believe people aren't doing exactly what he recommends.
But that's just me. I know a lot of backlash types (I'm related to a lot) so maybe it's just my own bias.
NYMary,
The Mullet is the scariest hair cut ever. Second only to Darma's (and Gregg) dad with his 65 year old ponytail look. He didn't have the hair to pull that look off.
Reposted with the italics corrected:
You're grouping Frank in with the rest of the media and saying he's using a code term to cover up for a Republican operative.
Frank's not covering up -- he's just using a convenient shorthand media term that includes both those who work directly for the Republican Party and those who work for it indirectly through Republican-friendly front groups, such as the Christian Coalition, whether as volunteer or paid employee. There's nothing sinister or dishonest about using that term.
And I've skimmed the article again and still see no indication that the guy was blue collar.
Look, I generally respect Frank and don't consider him a presstitute like, say, Chris Matthews or Little Russ. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with him 100%.
"feathering"???
Jeesuz. What other fashion "musts" have I missed...?????
Personally I do not want a president who is culturally a man for all seasons. My preferences is of for a competent leader.
Its nice Bush is so shucky darns down home, but you do not win wars and guide nations by appreciating your constituent's gingham curtains.
Its the standard hairdo for aging, Pat-like lesbians- I mean the real life lesbians, not the lipstick lesbians so prevalent in popular mythology.
puppets
Pretty obvious you've never been in the right sort of gay bar. Some of the kittens I've seen blow your theory into pieces. Matter of fact, one of the regular commenters here would have you whimpering because you can't have her.
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Kerry knew he was going to lose and he wanted to run in 2004 so he could raise funds and build an organization for 2008.
SWR
You think Kerry would consider himself to be electable in '08? He'd have to be pretty deluded, IMO
'cause how many ordinary voters were told that Lynne had written a lesbian western?
Or that sweet little 'ol Laura killed her boyfriend?
The Mullet is the scariest hair cut ever. Second only to Darma's (and Gregg) dad with his 65 year old ponytail look. He didn't have the hair to pull that look off.
Oy. If I ever wear a ponytail, please shoot me.
RMJ, I loves ya, but isn't your hair too long to be a vicar?
Phila, but how do you explain the popularity of TV shows such as "American Idol" or "Fear Factor", or any of the dregs of popular culture
It's OK to have that non-serious programming, in fact it takes edge off. We've always had that fluff. Joanie used to love Chachie. The problem now is that there is no hard-hitting serious mainstream journalism out there to counter it. It's all fluff now.
Personally I do not want a president who is culturally a man for all seasons. My preferences is of for a competent leader.
I really wish we had a royal family here in the USA.
Then the fucking idiot proles would have something to be interested in instead of the religion or style of the president.
Can we find some descendent of George Washington and crown him king? Let him do the head of state crap and let the President actually govern?
What the fuck is HaloScan's problem?
Can't use Safari or Firefox to access HaloScan comments -- reduced to using Explorer, of all godforsaken fucking browsers.
What is up?
Nite, JP.
"partly true and partly not"
would you mind telling me which part is which?
You think Kerry would consider himself to be electable in '08? He'd have to be pretty deluded, IMO
Yeah, losing in 2004 seems like a pretty odd strategy to make yourself seem more electable in 2008...
Prele' vou humma humma!
To me that article seems so dead on accurate I can't believe people aren't doing exactly what he recommends.
And what exactly is he recommending? I'm sorry, but I just don't see any recommendations. Maybe I missed them...
You think Kerry would consider himself to be electable in '08? He'd have to be pretty deluded, IMO
Phila | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:34 am | #
Kerry's running again. I'm pretty sure.
I knew that was coming.
John 2:14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house a house of merchandise.
Doesn't say anything about Jesus kicking anyone's ass. Also, it doesn't say anything about torture, smokin 'em out, the PATRIOT ACT, extraordinary rendition, proud to be an American or nuclear weapons.
But what the hell would Jesus know, right?
Joanie doesn't love Chachi any more???
RMJ, I loves ya, but isn't your hair too long to be a vicar?
Thersites
Well, maybe...but only in the back.
I like to keep it real short on the top and sides.
Monica,
I'm using Firefox just fine. Must be something else. Sometimes it helps if you go to task manager and close out un-needed applications.
And what exactly is he recommending?
Move to the left economically. Talk openly about class warfare.
You think Kerry would consider himself to be electable in '08? He'd have to be pretty deluded, IMO
Phila
He'd also have to be pretty Reaganny, which is redundant, I realize. Kerry will be 65 going into the '08 season. He fucking had his shot.
2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house a house of merchandise.
What a liberal elitist that Jesus guy was!
Kerry's running again. I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, well, good fucking luck.
Maybe this time he'll lay down *before* the votes are counted.
Yeah, losing in 2004 seems like a pretty odd strategy to make yourself seem more electable in 2008...
I phrased that clumsily but I still think Kerry flat out lied to the Democratic activist base to keep them in the party.
He chose not to hit back on the Swift Boat campaign. I don't know if he thought it was because he thought he could win by watching Bush self-destruct or if he was just clueless or if he didn't think he could win.
I do know he lied.
You know who he really reminds me of.
Thomas Dewey in 1948.
That was wingnut stupidity to perfection, though. Let's bomb thousands of innocent Iraqis to death and mutilation while sacrificing thousands of our own citizen soldiers because Jesus drove the moneychangers from the temple. Then he tortured and humiliated them, knowing full well that would be the way to get them to love him. Then he blamed it on his disciples, cause they were tools and loyal. That's in the bible, no? I'll have to check with the General.
Don't worry Eli. Got the loaded pistol handy. I actually like long hair. But very few men can pull it off.
754 comments and counting ... nice-UH (as they say in Korea)
I used to work with a guy that had a dog named monchie b monchum...
What ever happened to Lloyd Dobbins?
Don't worry Eli. Got the loaded pistol handy. I actually like long hair. But very few men can pull it off.
Not me. Once the hair in the back starts curling around and tickling my ears, it's time for the buzz again.
757 this time! Hoo, boy, never been on one of the super duper Jumbos before. What kinda gas mileage this thing get, anyway?
I actually like long hair. But very few men can pull it off.
Funny, that's never been a problem for me...
You think Kerry would consider himself to be electable in '08? He'd have to be pretty deluded, IMO
Phila | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:34 am |
Kerr WILL be the candidate in 08--who else is going to compete on his level?
I actually like long hair. But very few men can pull it off.
Because it would fucking hurt.
I actually like long hair. But very few men can pull it off.
Le bigvic
Many men are spared the effort.
*sigh*
Move to the left economically. Talk openly about class warfare.
Right.
I can just hear the Mighty Wurlitzer propaganda/brainwashing machine tuning up in response to that one! By the time the day was over, it would have those not immune to its effects believing it's the Democrats who've declared economic war on the middle class and the poor.
been frozen out of Haloscan for
about half an hour....
apart from invective, what did I
miss?
...who else is going to compete on his level?
Uh... Wesley Clark?
I actually like long hair. But very few men can pull it off.
Well, that's probably for the best. I imagine if they could pull it off, you'd find it quite painful.
Uh... Wesley Clark?
God, I hope so.
But what the hell would Jesus know, right?
Ripley | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:37 am | #
quote me the part about Mother's having the right to kill unwanted/inconvenient babies as a means of birth control, please.
thx
I can just hear the Mighty Wurlitzer propaganda/brainwashing machine tuning up in response to that one!
While you're talking openly about class warfare, include the press.
Take a photo of Chris Mathews house and hold it up and say "this man's going to be all outraged I'm talking about class".
What class does he belong to.
Get a list of New York Times reporters and say "how many of them have kids in Iraq".
Otherwise, it's probably John Edwards, who needs some serious toughening up.
Wesley--Not even close. No money, no backing, no platform. It'll be Kerry from the beginning.
apart from invective, what did I
miss?
You missed on the 0-2 fastball in the bottom of the ninth, and Mudville is pissed.
Sorry Pez. In all honesty, I don't understand why men with thinning hair or that are bald fret about it. Most women I know don't give a rat's ass about a man's hair. Unless it's a Mullet cut.
Heh.
been frozen out of Haloscan for
about half an hour....
apart from invective, what did I
miss?
steve simels
Bush resigned to spend more time with Condi.
They discovered that Cheney's heart stopped in 1976.
Rumsfeld is the new Cryptkeeper.
Iraq never happened.
Cuba Gooding Jr. has been cast in the lead role of the Michael Powell Story.
I've had long hair for 50 years. I don't know why, but I suspect it's bacause repigs have a short-haired image, and I didn't want to be mistaken for one. I was called a fag a lot, especially during vietnam, but I was always happy that nobody ever called me a Republican. That would have pissed me off. Now, I'm happy if someone just calls me.
But enough about me. Fuck Bush and the trolls he rode in under.
Thers,
Hahahahahaha.
Otherwise, it's probably John Edwards, who needs some serious toughening up.
He's not OLD enough to run for Pres,--he could barley pull it off as VP
I don't really know how much I respect the political sophistication of people who buy into the red state/blue state thing.
Phila
I do; I don't.
If we need convenient tags, and I suppose we do, then Reds & Blues , or maybe Rednecks & Bluenecks, or something equally as cute and bumperstickery would do, but the States they are Purple. Full, largely, of Purple People. Except for the ones that aint.
Most women I know don't give a rat's ass about a man's hair.
Damnit.
And me with this full head of hair.
He chose not to hit back on the Swift Boat campaign. I don't know if he thought it was because he thought he could win by watching Bush self-destruct or if he was just clueless or if he didn't think he could win..
SWR
This goes back to an earlier comment of yours. He didn't hit back early enough and hard enough because he and his staff were so confident they'd be immune in the area of military service that they were caught with their pants down by the fact that a draft-dodging goofus would actually have the chutzpah to even enter into a discussion. He thought the whole "reporting for duty" bit gave him that point by default.
In a purely logical world, it would have. But Rove and his operatives didn't conceed it.
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I don't have a mullet. I have a Muppet.
Most women I know don't give a rat's ass about a man's hair.
Damnit.
And me with this full head of hair.
My back is completely bald. I am relieved to know this is not a problem.
Take a photo of Chris Mathews house and hold it up and say "this man's going to be all outraged I'm talking about class".
Oh, I'm sure that would have a powerful effect on all those who've been brainwashed by the Mighty Wurlitzer. Most likely, the Wurlitzer's Talking Point of the Day in response to that would be "The Democrats want to prevent you from having a house like Chris Matthews' someday."
Otherwise, it's probably John Edwards, who needs some serious toughening up.
He's not OLD enough to run for Pres,--he could barley pull it off as VP
PD | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:50 am | #
Except for being a Senator for about 2 years (actual time on the job and not campaigning) exactly what qualifications does Edwards have to be president? That was the first major blunder of the Kerry campaign, picking a total lightweight as his running mate. The result was, as things in Iraq got violent, Edwards dropped out of sight and Kerry paraded potential cabinet members instead to give his campaign gravitus. Edwards political career is over. He can't even get elected in his home state, as Kerry himself pointed out.
I've had long hair for 50 years.
ronjazz, relative moralist.
Old men with long hair is like old women in bikinis--they all look like "smacked-asses."
This goes back to an earlier comment of yours. He didn't hit back early enough and hard enough because he and his staff were so confident they'd be immune in the area of military service that they were caught with their pants down by the fact that a draft-dodging goofus would actually have the chutzpah to even enter into a discussion. He thought the whole "reporting for duty" bit gave him that point by default.
That was the problem. He was calculating about it. He didn't seem "authentic".
Somebody attacks your character, you get pissed off and you hit back, whoever it is.
When a shock jock in New Jersey mocked Richard Cody's wife, Cody physically threatened him.
His popularity shot up by like 20 points.
quote me the part about Mother's having the right to kill unwanted/inconvenient babies as a means of birth control, please.
thx
Or the part calling it murder.
It's really too late at night to be playing this game.
Oh, I'm sure that would have a powerful effect on all those who've been brainwashed by the Mighty Wurlitzer. Most likely, the Wurlitzer's Talking Point of the Day in response to that would be "The Democrats want to prevent you from having a house like Chris Matthews' someday."
And then you hit them back again. And you keep doing it. You consider the press to be your adversary and you fight it.
You might lose. But it's certainly better than the fatalistic crap you're pushing.
Old men with long hair is like old women in bikinis--they all look like "smacked-asses."
Cocksucker.
I like to keep it real short on the top and sides.
Rmj, Dynamic Swami
Worked for Gallagher...
Kerry's running again. I'm pretty sure.
SWR
Well, good luck to him in the primaries, is all I'll say.
I agree with you about the Swift Boat thing, though. He fucked that up pretty badly.
Still, he had an amazingly hostile press. And maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think it was the media's responsibility not to promote the lies of deranged scumbags like Jerome Corsi.
But he was weak in responding...no doubt about it.
Cocksukah!
He didn't seem "authentic".
"Authentic" politicians are those who have been designated "authentic" by the Mighty Wurlitzer.
Like an embarrassingly transparently phony "cowboy" named George W. Bush.
The problem now is that there is no hard-hitting serious mainstream journalism out there to counter it
But even if there was would it make that much of a difference? The information is out there now for those who are willing to seek it. I have had many an arguement with conservative aquaintences who when faced with fact after fact just get angry. They Don't Want To Know. I would hope that there are enough open minded individuals that would make a truly investigative media make a difference, but at times I have my doubts.
And maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think it was the media's responsibility not to promote the lies of deranged scumbags like Jerome Corsi.
The media's responsibility is to make money. That's the way they've always been.
Give them a show, they'll cover you. Yes, there are a lot of movement consevatives in the media, but most just seem like whores to me.
Smack them around and they'll fall in love with you.
Except for being a Senator for about 2 years (actual time on the job and not campaigning) exactly what qualifications does Edwards have to be president? That was the first major blunder of the Kerry campaign, picking a total lightweight as his running mate,
Tonight's poster child for deluded idiots
You moron. Dumbya had - what - 6 years as Governor of Texas, a post reknown for being a figurehead (as opposed to other states, where the Gov yields real power). Your hero Dick Nixon was a Senator for 2 years before Eisenhower tapped him for VP. Jesus, you are one stupid fucking troll.
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Central,
You are the exception to the rule. Women adore you and your hairy head. A trusted source told me so.
He chose not to hit back on the Swift Boat campaign. I don't know if he thought it was because he thought he could win by watching Bush self-destruct or if he was just clueless or if he didn't think he could win..
SWR
SWR, everyone on both sides was *stunned* at his silence. The opposition had just called into question the man's honor. It wasn't oblique. They fucking said "You are a coward, who planned your military achievements in advance with your connections, you were awarded medals under false pretenses and your bullshit in '71 killed young men".
How fucking clear did they have to make it?....Silence.
This was *his* issue and they stole it from him in broad daylight.
I only wanted him to be *partially* as articulate as he had been in testifying before Congress 33 years earlier, when *nobody* was indicting his right to those medals.
Uh... Wesley Clark?
God, I hope so.
Eli
Any seats left on that bus? ABB is not gonna apply in '08, folks. I really do think--and I have absolutely not a politically wonkish bone in my body--that if he wins the nomination, he's in. Well, with an actual free & fair election....OK, we're doomed.
"Authentic" politicians are those who have been designated "authentic" by the Mighty Wurlitzer.
No. Kerry was genuinely fake.
He won in the primaries by promising he'd hit back against the Republican attack machine, then he held back in early September.
It's not as if you didn't know it was coming. Kerry lied to all of us to keep us in the party because he arrogantly thought he could win by running a passive campaign.
And they turned him into Tom Dewey.
French teenagers can't be all that diff from teenagers anywhere.
Politics: if I vote for your bridge, then you have to vote for my hospital. I need this freeway rehab to get re-elected. You need this tax break for local businesses to make points w/your electorate. Let's you and me deal.
This is somewhat how it works, eh?
Nasty, isn't it? But it's a reflection of who we are, collectively, and I don;t know the way out of it. Maybe you guys do. Lots of people to please.
Smack them around and they'll fall in love with you.
SWR
See, I don't agree. That may be true of the chattering husks who actually write the stories, but it's the editors/ownere who call the shots. And in the case of NBC, it's General Electric, ultimately.
I know for a fact that some reporters tried to publish the truth about certain stories. I know for a fact they weren't allowed to.
quote me the part about Mother's having the right to kill unwanted/inconvenient babies as a means of birth control, please.
thx
Or the part calling it murder.
It's really too late at night to be playing this game.
Robert M. Jeffers | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:55 am | #
So your contention is that Jesus would have supported abortion? You might be confused about the context of the word "suffer" in "suffer the little children to come to me"
Its funny to see liberals tie themselves in knots trying to condone the indefensible. Mothers killing their own children in their womb is perhaps the most horrific, barbaric and selfish act imaginable. I believe future generations will see it as barbaric and heinous as slavery once was. Remember, Negroes were not seen as humans with rights or feelings or rights either at one time. Kind of like unborn babies now, you could kill a slave with impunity. It was the slavemaster's "freedom of choice".
SWR, everyone on both sides was *stunned* at his silence.
I kind of saw it coming but the level of passiveness stunned me.
Something was either broke in his campaign staff or he chose not to hit back.
I think it was the latter.
And, frankly, I think Kerry did pretty much the best he co uld, though I do think he fucked up re: Swift Boat shit.
I think Bush stole the election, and I firmly believe we better reclaim the voting system before 2006. Because it's bullshit.
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Well, that's probably for the best. I imagine if they could pull it off, you'd find it quite painful.
Thersites "
That is why I stopped wearing mine long, never could master getting out of a chair without incurring whiplash and intense pain.
So your contention is that Jesus would have supported abortion? You might be confused about the context of the word "suffer" in "suffer the little children to come to me"
He no more condemned it than he condemned prostitution.
Read the 4 gospels and get back to me in the morning.
I know for a fact that some reporters tried to publish the truth about certain stories. I know for a fact they weren't allowed to.
Phila | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:02 am | #
That's why you have an opposition party. If they keep hammering the truth home, the media's forced to cover it.
"Negroes"?
puppets is still here?
puppets, you've repeatedly refused to answer my question, so I'll ask it again.
which Bill Frist filibuster vote was it that sent the Democrats into such a fury? why has Bill Frist flip-flopped on the filibuster?
c'mon puppets, it's a pretty simple question. give it your talking points best, it's late, we need more entertainment.
Old men with long hair is like old women in bikinis--they all look like "smacked-asses."
Cocksucker.
Al Swearingen | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:56 am |
Was it your bikini or long hair that pissed you off?
You moron. Dumbya had - what - 6 years as Governor of Texas, a post reknown for being a figurehead (as opposed to other states, where the Gov yields real power). Your hero Dick Nixon was a Senator for 2 years before Eisenhower tapped him for VP. Jesus, you are one stupid fucking troll.
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Fielding Mellish | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 12:59 am | #
Reminds me of a chat I had out her in Calif. with a wingnut who said, about Tom Bradley, that 'being mayor of L.A. isn't really a qualification for being governor.'
LMAO, oh I see, you really need to have held down a powerhouse job, like spokesman for Death Valley Days.
SNL has been pretty weak for a while now, but I have to say, (for anyone watching) Hillary Swank does a pretty good job at comedy. She was really good tonight. OK, back to bitching.
Nixon had been in politics for much longer. Do some Googling and find out before you freak out. I'm beginning to see that freaking out, calling names and generally making an ass of oneself is an integral part of debating here.
Nixon was also an expert in defense matters and was already very active in foreign affairs and diplomacy, something even his detractors admit he excelled in as President. Name one thing Edwards did as Senator, besides run for President. Nixon was a national figure who also ran the Alger Hiss hearings (later completely vindicated by KGB files released after the fall of the USSR, much to liberal chagrin, the Red Menace was very real)
It's really too late at night to be playing this game.
HA!
Caught you.
If Jesus were alive today, everyone knows he would be writing some idiot wingnut blog, and we would all be Cutting and Pasting His Holy Posts.
OK, back to bitching.
Bigvic is *always* bitchin'.
LMAO, oh I see, you really need to have held down a powerhouse job, like spokesman for Death Valley Days.
fourmorewars
Hahahahaha. Yep, that was one good qualification for POTUS.
So your contention is that Jesus would have supported abortion?
That's not what RMJ said, and you don't know the first thing about Jesus.
Just FYI: He wasn't a big fan of hypocrisy, and he wasn't downright displeased with people judging and punishing "sinners."
He didn't seem to think they were qualified for the job, frankly.
If Jesus were alive today, everyone knows he would be writing some idiot wingnut blog, and we would all be Cutting and Pasting His Holy Posts.
I got the Holy Post Power!
WAS downright displeased.
Its funny to see liberals tie themselves in knots trying to condone the indefensible. Remember, Negroes were not seen as humans with rights or feelings or rights either at one time. Kind of like unborn babies now, you could kill a slave with impunity. It was the slavemaster's "freedom of choice".
puppets | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:02 am | #
A Republican congressman recently joked about nuking the population of Syria.
You choose to blink and look out the window when your puppetmasters are demonstrating their viciousness.
Oh, p.s., same Republican congressman was ignorant of the fact that there are 2 million Christians in Syria.
You choose to ignore how spectacular, and self-defeatingly stupid, your representatives are. Maybe 'cause you're even stupider?
Just a guess.
I like to keep it real short on the top and sides.
Rmj, Dynamic Swami
Worked for Gallagher...
Doozer, the Obtuse Caboose
I went for that, but had no choice about keeping it short on the top. When my coworkers started calling me "Ben Franklin" I decided to give it up.
Of course, Ben Franklin is one of my favorite rational secular humanist Founding Fathers, so it wasn't all bad.
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Jesus has a blog. There are ads for "Hair Club For Men" and the "Mary Magdalene Personals" and really great recipes and grooming tips. His links to Eye of the Needle Tax Shelters really came in handy a few weeks ago.
His post last week about running the moneychangers out of the temple was something great. jesus fucking rules.
If Jesus were alive today, preaching peace, love and tolerance, as well as helping the poor and needy the wingnuts would kill him all over again.
SWR, everyone on both sides was *stunned* at his silence. The opposition had just called into question the man's honor. It wasn't oblique. They fucking said "You are a coward, who planned your military achievements in advance with your connections, you were awarded medals under false pretenses and your bullshit in '71 killed young men".
I think Kerry did worse than just lose here.
He betrayed everyone who's involved in the anti-war movement in any way. He left open the door for the eliminationism of the extreme right (the Ann Coulter "we have to show them they can be killed" and the Charles Johnson "St Pancakes line).
If the USA keeps moving to the right and there's serious political persecuation (for example if we invade Syria or start a draft and they pre-emptively arrest anti-war activists) John Kerry is partly to blame.
Gee, can you tell I don't like Kerry? Hmm. Actually I don't really hate him. I think he's a decent politician but I think he's made too many compromises to stay in the elite.
You might lose. But it's certainly better than the fatalistic crap you're pushing.
I don't believe I'm fatalistic. I'm just describing the bizarre, irrational political/media reality we currently live in.
Now, I do believe that unless we recognize the basic problems and take effective action against them, we will not be allowed to have Democratic presidents or anything close to a Democratic majority in the Senate.
First, we have to develop our own loud and relentless instruments to counter the Mighty Wurlitzer. Liberal and left blogs, sites like Media Matters, and think tanks like the Center for American Progress are good starts, but a much more developed and much stronger deprogramming machine needs to be built.
Second, we must demand two things wrt electronic voting: a) a mandatory paper trail, and b) random audits of precincts, chosen by non-electronic means, wherever electronic voting machines are used, including optical scan; if there's a major discrepancy between the electronic vote total and the paper vote total in the audited precincts, a complete recount of the paper trail must be done.
And when those two elements are in place, maybe then we can start discussing the relative assets and liabilities of particular Democratic candidates.
Name one thing Edwards did as Senator, besides run for President.
Name one thing Bush did in his life, besides snort coke, drink like a fish, and run businesses into the ground.
You're right about Nixon. What's it got to do with Bush? What are Bush's political qualifications, other than being able to mouth pseudo-Christian pieties while executing criminals?
Nixon was also an expert in defense matters and was already very active in foreign affairs and diplomacy, something even his detractors admit he excelled in as President.
Nixon proposed to his advisors the 'madman theory.' I.e., that he should act in such a way that the Vietnamese (and, by extension, the thousand-nuke-loaded Soviets) wouldn't know what his next move was.
'Cause he could be, you know, crazy.
God damn! we're lucky we survived that incompetent's presidency.
I have always wanted to paint in Paris. I would even settle for spotty teenagers. How does it smell there?
Reminds me of a chat I had out her in Calif. with a wingnut who said, about Tom Bradley, that 'being mayor of L.A. isn't really a qualification for being governor.'
Well, after Reagan and the Governator, it's painfully clear that no political position above Dogcatcher has any actual requirements. A Dogcatcher, after all, must know at least something about catching dogs.
And when those two elements are in place, maybe then we can start discussing the relative assets and liabilities of particular Democratic candidates.
I agree with your suggestions but nothing's going to stop me from saying that Kerry ran a bad campaign. And nothing's going to make me trust him or people like him.
puppets ain't stupid. he knows all about Dredd Scott and it's judicial importance to "the Negroes." a very smart troll, that puppets.
Be interesting to see how the 'class warfare' meme would play out-- it really is hard to see how the corporate media would give that candidate anything like a fair shake. I'm not saying it wouldn't work-- but I am not as optimistic as Frank (what I've read of him in Harper's) that it would.
There's an acceptance now of the Golden Rule (them that has the gold rules) there wasn't back in the days of the New Deal. There is a cultural identification with the rich and connected that is stronger now than it used to be.
There isn't the momentum & cultural memory of all the socialist and populist movements of the 100 years preceeding the Depression, and now that 'communism is dead', no 'alternative' ghastly enough to scare the Man into accepting reforms of the system.
& who knows? Maybe without WW2, the New Deal would never have been more than a historical footnote like the League of Nations.
my dumb little theory, maybe it doesn't hold water, you guys poke holes in it (that would actually be encouraging), I'm going to bed
No. Kerry was genuinely fake.
Funny how I didn't see this scion of an old money family pretending to be a cowboy and then being dubbed "authentic" by the Mighty Wurlitzer.
So your contention is that Jesus would have supported abortion? You might be confused about the context of the word "suffer" in "suffer the little children to come to me"
He no more condemned it than he condemned prostitution.
Read the 4 gospels and get back to me in the morning.
Robert M. Jeffers | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:04 am | #
That's ridiculous. For the record, Jesus didn't condone prostitution, he merely said you should forgive sinners. He never said prostitution, adultery and fornication are not considered sins. For you to say that Jesus would have not condemned killing innocent unborn children is ludicrous. In fact, its probably the most evil practice in the world today. Mothers are supposed to defend the life of their unborn, even with their lives. For women to kill a child as a means of birth control is disgusting and barbaric. The "choice" part comes in when you spread your legs, girls. After that, its not just 'your body', its a human life involved. Jesus valued life above all things. I must agree that Jesus would probably have been on the side of Gandhi or the Quakers and eschewed killing in any circumstance, including executions. In the real world sometimes it must be done to save worse evil, I believe. But at least I'm honest and consistant. Jesus would have been against any war, including against Hitler or the Revolutionary War, or even the Civil War to free the slaves. But he also would not have been ok with abortion. Divorce yourself from your liberal absolutism for one second and admit that fact.
That's why you guys can't give President Bush credit for the smallest thing, you are absolutists and you can't give an inch for fear you you'll break the doctrinaire Dem dogma or something.
If the USA keeps moving to the right and there's serious political persecuation (for example if we invade Syria or start a draft and they pre-emptively arrest anti-war activists) John Kerry is partly to blame.
amen to that, brother.
Blogs are nothing more than a sounding board--the same SMALL number of people talking about the same thing. They do NOT bring more votes. Blogs are not the answer---getting from behind the damn keyboard is the answer.
If Jesus were alive today, he would walk into the Oval Office and start kicking furniture over and railing at George W. Bush, the most un-Christian being in these times.
He would be furious w/uncurious George for taking his name in vain.
Anyone who has read the words of Christ, anyone who has read - and understood - the Beatitudes - knows that W is an apostate, false *demigod* who needs to be purged from our midst. Now.
No. Kerry was genuinely fake.
Funny how I didn't see this scion of an old money family pretending to be a cowboy and then being dubbed "authentic" by the Mighty Wurlitzer.
monchie b. monchum | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:16 am | #
Kerry and Bush being fake aren't mutually exclusive.
I think Kerry (or maybe some of his advisors) told him to tell the activist base of the Democratic party what they wanted to hear and then run a stiff, right-wing campaign anyway.
Blogs are not the answer
Wow. Who knew?
Sounds like you're an absolutist, as well. And Bush doesn't deserve credit for anything. He's a liar, a fraud and a murderer - and he's ruining America for the majority of its citizens.
Why is Bill Frist a Flip Flopper on the Filibuster?
puppets, your thoughts?
Hey Quentin, that was me asking Modo about the odds of Judy Miller going to the slammer.
Bitchin'. I dug that; it seemed like a cool audience.
Ashley Fuckin' Judd, biotch!
Ruby in Paradise is often my favorite movie.
Mark my words--KERRY will be the candidate in 08
Anyone who has read the words of Christ, anyone who has read - and understood - the Beatitudes - knows that W is an apostate, false *demigod* who needs to be purged from our midst. Now.
apostate or heretic?
"A Republican congressman recently joked about nuking the population of Syria"
The moral compass spins wildly. As usual.
Blogs are not the answer---
Sure they are. We just don't know what the question is, yet.
I think Kerry did worse than just lose here.
Oh, I don't. I think he did probably as well as anyone human could have been expected to do. Anyway, I think it's a futile argument.
There's a good case to be made that the '04 election got a lot of people active at local levels. The energy needs to go into making sure that continues. '04 is over, anyway. Sights set on '06. Build the momentum, folks. 'Cuz the GOP is gakking it right now.
puppets ain't stupid. he knows all about Dredd Scott and it's judicial importance to "the Negroes." a very smart troll, that puppets.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:15 am | #
You seem to be making some kind of hay over my use of the word "Negros". In the context of the Civil War, which we were discussing, the word was commonly used for African-Americans or blacks or persons of color or Afro-Americans or whatever phrase you would prefer. There is nothing denigrating or racist about using the term "Negro" to refer to slaves in the 19th century.
Gee, can you tell I don't like Kerry? Hmm. Actually I don't really hate him. I think he's a decent politician but I think he's made too many compromises to stay in the elite.
SWR
The largest amount of damage he did was to fucking perpetuate the good guys on the defensive in a really pivotal period in this world.
I can't fucking forgive him for that.
He chose to lose to a brain-damaged frat boy.
He *is* a polished politician. And that is the vexing problem I have with him losing in '04.
Funny how I didn't see this scion of an old money family pretending to be a cowboy and then being dubbed "authentic" by the Mighty Wurlitzer.
monchie b. monchum
Amen. That phony cowboy act is beyond pitiful. Good lord, how goofy was all that media crap about who you'd want to have a beer with? Hell, I want a leader, not a dry farking drunken liar.
Am I bitching enough now, Eli? Hahahaha.
His post last week about running the moneychangers out of the temple was something great. jesus fucking rules.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
I've seen a couple trollwits bring up the moneychanger episode lately. Apparently they see it as some sort of costume version of World-Wide Wrasslin'. Kind of funny that they'd fixate on that episode and ignore the preponderance of cheek-turning and naked-dude clothing that goes on in that New Testament thang.
"Jeesus weren't no socialist - look at him flexin them mighty holy muscles!"
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"A Republican congressman recently joked about nuking the population of Syria"
There's something seriously wrong with the American people.
Actual conversation:
Me: The rebels just rammed a car bomb into a Marine barracks in Iraq. 100 people are dead.
Coworker: Oh My God. Holy Shit. Oh My God.
Me: Pssyyyyyyyyyych. They set off some car bombs but they only killed 40 Iraqis.
Coworker (looks genuinely relieved): Oh thank God. Don't mess around. Smartass bastard.
Me: Sorry. Just a little joke. (underneath breath) Die you evil Nazi bitch.
Blogs are not the answer
Wow. Who knew?
Phila
Twat?
Amen. That phony cowboy act is beyond pitiful.
No it wasn't. It worked.
Am I bitching enough now, Eli? Hahahaha.
That's bitchin' - there's a difference.
For you to say that Jesus would have not condemned killing innocent unborn children is ludicrous.
Well, he might've. But as God, he had the ability to do it. And he's pretty clear on the point that other folks don't get to horn in on God's racket...mainly because they're not without blame themselves. It takes a thief to catch a thief, as the saying is.
It might interest you to know that abortion has not always been considered a sin by Christian authorities. Ever hear of "ensoulment"?
But hell, you probably think the Rapture's in the Bible, too.
I've seen a couple trollwits bring up the moneychanger episode lately. Apparently they see it as some sort of costume version of World-Wide Wrasslin'. Kind of funny that they'd fixate on that episode and ignore the preponderance of cheek-turning and naked-dude clothing that goes on in that New Testament thang.
Not to mention the convenient overlooking of just who it was Jebus was kicking out...
The "choice" part comes in when you spread your legs, girls.
Exactly! This is the rhetoric that will sink the GOP. Keep it up!
Well, you stil have to admit, the Old Testament God sure kicked some major ass when the sitch called for it
He was a vengeful God and didn't take any shit. He'd just as soon turn you into a pillar of salt as look at you. He definately frowned on Sodomy (and Gomorrahmy).
Kind of funny that they'd fixate on that episode and ignore the preponderance of cheek-turning and naked-dude clothing that goes on in that New Testament thang.
It's also funny that they fixate on it while worshipping a pack of usurious moneygrubbers.
Maybe they read "moneychangers" as Jews.
I agree with your suggestions but nothing's going to stop me from saying that Kerry ran a bad campaign. And nothing's going to make me trust him or people like him.
Oh, I certainly wouldn't say Kerry ran a perfect campaign -- I agree with most of the comments about the lack of immediate and strong reaction to the Swift Boat Liars -- but I'd certainly argue that, with the possible exception of Clinton, Kerry ran the strongest campaign by a Democratic candidate in decades. And I think he ran a better campaign than the Shrub as well -- after all, for example, the Shrub lost all three debates.
But it certainly helps when you're the official candidate of the Mighty Wurlitzer. The Wurlitzer helps smooth over those rough spots while it smears your opponent.
Also, many of us would argue that Kerry would've won both the popular and electoral vote had there not been pretty obvious electronic thievery. (After all, just a month later, Ukrainians also discovered their election had been rigged when the leaked exit polls conflicted with the vote count. Difference was, Ukrainians took to the streets; Americans just sat there and took it.)
Maybe they read "moneychangers" as Jews.
Or librul elitists.
Or Iraqis...
There is nothing denigrating or racist about using the term "Negro" to refer to slaves in the 19th century.
puppets
With apologies to Walt W: "I sound my clueless racist yawp over the threads of Eschaton."
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The "choice" part comes in when you spread your legs, girls.
Exactly! This is the rhetoric that will sink the GOP. Keep it up!
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:27 am | #
The majority of Americans are NOT ok with abortion on demand or as a means of birth control. And interestingly, younger Americans are more pro-life than the aging hippie-feminist-socialists from the 60's still hanging around (but dying off yearly)
SWR,
I don't care what supposedly *worked*, the fucking phoney cowboy act IS beyond pitiful. Stop being needlessly combatitive. What's the point?
Fielding
holy muscle flexing? that is scary, but misreading and misunderstanding seems to be a detereminate characteristic of the fundies. Turn the other cheek: figurative. Eye for an Eye: literal. bad readers, one and all.
but what I want to know is why Bill Frist has Flip-Flopped on the Filibuster? puppets, your thoughts?
Also, many of us would argue that Kerry would've won both the popular and electoral vote had there not been pretty obvious electronic thievery.
The fact that it was close was totally due to the Democratic party's activist base. It had nothing whatsover to do with a stiff named John Kerry.
Kerry was just the figurehead. The Democratic party had an upsurge last year before the election and Kerry wasted it.
Bush Lied!!!
And I for one am shocked
Kerry and Bush being fake aren't mutually exclusive.
So how come one of them was dubbed "authentic" by the Mighty Wurlitzer propaganda/brainwashing machine?
I don't care what supposedly *worked*, the fucking phoney cowboy act IS beyond pitiful. Stop being needlessly combatitive. What's the point?
Le bigvic | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:31 am | #
That it's easier to whine about the media than it is to understand how to use them media.
Bush, quite simply, isn't as stupid as people think he is. He understands the mass of Idiot America in a way Kerry doesn't.
Bush's act worked. As ridiculous as it was, people liked it.
UTICA, N.Y. (Reuters/Zogby) - In a Zogby ``American Values'' poll respondents were asked to choose between the two statements, ``abortion destroys a human life and is manslaughter,'' or ``abortion does not destroy a life and is not manslaughter.''
The nationwide poll of 1,005 likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.2% showed that 51% believed that that abortion destroys a human life and is manslaughter while another 35% said that abortion does not destroy a life and is not manslaughter. Eight percent agreed with neither statement while 6% said they weren't sure.
By party affiliation, 37% of Democrats said abortion was manslaughter while 47% disagreed. Another 67% of Republicans said that abortion was manslaughter while 23% disagreed. Fifty-one percent of independents felt that abortion was manslaughter while 32% said it was not.
By gender, men and women's feeling were statistically the same - 51% of both men and women agreed that abortion destroys a human life and is manslaughter while 37% of men and 33% of women said that abortion neither destroys a life nor is manslaughter. While 7% of men and 9% of women agreed with neither statement, 5% of men and 7% of women were not sure.
What we asked:
``Please choose the statement that most closely resembles your own opinion.
On abortion.
Statement A. abortion destroys a human life and is manslaughter.
Statement B. abortion does not destroy a life and is not manslaughter.''
August 1999
A Zogby International "American Values" poll, released on August 26, 1999, showed the majority of Americans believe abortion is manslaughter, are opposed to tax-funded partial birth abortions, and that parents should be notified if their minor child seeks an abortion.
Abortion: An overwhelming majority of respondents (77.7%) said physicians should notify parents if an underage girl is seeking and abortion. Another majority, (52%) said they personally believe that abortion destroys a human life and is manslaughter while 36.1% did not believe abortion destroys a human life.
On the issue of partial birth abortions, 56.4% oppose partial birth abortions because it is murder except if the mother's life is in danger; 31.5% say it's up to the mother to determine.
Respondents overwhelmingly oppose (71% to 22.8%) the use of federal funds for partial birth abortions.
Zogby International Web Site, August 26, 1999 July 1999
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll revealed that over 70 percent of Americans think access to abortion should be limited to some circumstances.
The poll was based on phone interviews with 1,014 adults April 30-May 2. Responses indicated that:
16 percent of Americans think abortion should be illegal in all cases.
55 percent said abortions should be allowed only in cases of incest or to save the life of the mother.
27 percent said abortion should be allowed in all cases.
The poll also showed that the number of people who consider themselves "pro-choice" dropped from 56 percent three yrs ago to 48 percent today.
Those who considered themselves "pro-life" increased from 36 percent three yrs ago to 42 percent today."
Source: St. Anthony Messenger Magazine, July 1999 January, 1999
According to the Annual Survey of College Freshmen, only 51 per cent of freshmen believe that abortion should be legal, a decline of 14 percentage points since the beginning of the decade.
Abortion should be legal.
Total 50.9%
Men 52.5%
Women 49.5%
While this is a slight majority for the pro-choice side, college-aged people are typically more pro-choice than any other age group.
The survey, now in its 33rd year, is conducted by the Higher Education Research Institute, at the University of California at Los Angeles. It is intended to provide a look at how the attitudes and aspirations of college freshmen have changed over time. This year's report is based on the responses of 275,811 students at 469 two- and four-year institutions.
Copies of the report, The American Freshman: National Norms for Fall 1998, are available for $22 each, plus $4.79 for shipping, from the Higher Education Research Institute, 3005 Moore Hall, U.C.L.A. Graduate School of Education and Information Studies, Box 951521, Los Angeles 90095-1521. A Campaign for Working Families exit poll, conducted 3/10, surveyed 411 "actual voters"; margin of error +/- 5% (release, 3/11/9
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Ques: "Which of the following statements most closely reflects your position on the issue of abortion?"
Pro-life - 50%
- Should Be Prohibited In All Cases 16%
- Should Be Legal Only To Save Mother's Life 12%
- Should Be Legal In Cases Of Rape, Incest Or To Save Mother's Life 22%
Pro-choice - 41%
- Should Be Allowed At Any Time During Pregnancy 18%
- Should Be Legal For Any Reason, But Not After First Tri-mester 17%
- Should Be Legal For Any Reason, But Not After Second Tri-mester 6%
- Don't Know - 9%
Currently, abortion is allowed at any time during pregnancy, thus, only 18% of those surveyed agree with the current law.
I hope Kerry, had he won, would have not signed the Bankruptcy Bill, nor the Class Action legislation, nor would have been a party to the Schiavo debacle, and I hope he would have leveraged ANWR for some goddamned sane eneregy policy.
The last election seems to have meant more to us than it did our chosen Gladiator.
So how come one of them was dubbed "authentic" by the Mighty Wurlitzer propaganda/brainwashing machine?
Because the Republicans have a better organization, a more disciplined message, and the willingness to keep hitting the media until the media dances.
And interestingly, younger Americans are more pro-life
Yeah...in Fagville!
What nonsense. Seriously, pal...what do you think of the Church doctrines on quickening and ensoulment? What exactly do you know about Jesus Christ that St. Augustine didn't? Do tell.
It might interest you to know that abortion has not always been considered a sin by Christian authorities. Ever hear of "ensoulment"?
But hell, you probably think the Rapture's in the Bible, too.
Phila
And would probably turn to stone at the idea of Reincarnation as Christian church doctrine, so perhaps we shouldn't mention that one. Shhhhhh.
A six year old survey? That is the best you got?
I guess puppets is too much the coward to answer a direct question.
all that cut and paste outrage the other day was just to show us puppets is no novice when it comes to Control-C, Control-V.
why has Bill Frist Flip-Flopped on the Filibuster? seems like a pretty staright forward question to me.
puppets a coward. pass it on.
"Jeesus weren't no socialist - look at him flexin them mighty holy muscles!"
I read a magazine article, some years back, that was talking about the macho-ifying of Jeebus. It's high time people understood how strong he was, etc. They interviewed an artist who created a painting of a worn out Jeebus, sitting in his corner of a boxing ring.
Jesus Christ as a boxer. Can you dig that? I can't...
Although, "Jeebus H Christ in a boxing ring!" is kind of snappy.
I read a magazine article, some years back, that was talking about the macho-ifying of Jeebus. It's high time people understood how strong he was, etc. They interviewed an artist who created a painting of a worn out Jeebus, sitting in his corner of a boxing ring.
Noting new. See Elmer Gantry.
Following up on David Gelernter's excellent LA Times column on the Dems' Infantile American Principle...
Efforts to require valid photo ID upon voting--the horror, the horror!--continue to be stymied by the "Count Every Bogus Vote" lobbyists on the Left.
Playing the scare-the-poor-and-old-people card, Democrat governor Jim Doyle of election fraud-riddled Wisconsin just vetoed a measure that would have required voters to show government-issued picture identification at the polls. People in nursing homes and other home-bound regular absentee voters would have been exempted; IDs would be free for those who couldn't afford the $9 cost.
In Indiana, the ACLU is suing to stop a new voter ID signed by GOP Gov. Mitch Daniels. It requires residents to show a state or federal ID before they will be given a ballot. Those who do not have a driver’s license and can’t afford to pay for a state identification card can be issued a state ID for free.
As Gelernter and La Shawn Barber noted, GOP Gov. Sony Perdue of Georgia signed a similar bill last week over the objections of the civil liberties and civil rights establishment. And Californians are collecting signatures to put a voter ID initiative on the ballot; Democratic state lawmakers killed similar legislation eight times since 2000.
Keep these Democrat obstructionists in mind the next time they start braying about the need to protect the integrity of the electoral process.
All right. Puppies has earned the right to progress into Tobyland.
[Applause]
Puppets, you are stupid and ugly and nobody likes you.
Let it be proclaimed throughout Eschatonia!
RESOLVED: Puppets is hereafter only to be spoken to, or referred to as, a stupid, ugly, twat whom nobody likes.
[Huzzahs, etc.]
Try this one.
Currently, abortion is allowed at any time during pregnancy,
You fucking freak. It's allowed at any time to save the mother's life. You got a problem with that, huh?
Why do you people hate women so goddamn much?
To quote you, upthread: "Dude, I'm a musician, I get more ass than the toilet seat. Sure, _some_ are skanks, but hey, you do what you can."
I assume you used birth control in your days as a "hound"...but if it had failed, thank God the poor girl didn't have to ask your sorry ass for permission to pull the plug on your demon spawn.
I'm done talking to you. You're sick.
The minute reveals the head of British intelligence reported that President Bush had firmly made up his mind to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein, adding that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy".
No farking Duh. Too bad this news flash never made it into the fabulous press before the invasion began.
Eli, I get it now, I is bitchin'.
Hahahahahaha.
All right. Puppies has earned the right to progress into Tobyland.
Are you sure that's not redundant? They kinda seem like the same person to me...
And I use the word "person" very loosely, of course.
Can we please just find a homeland for evangelicals?
Maybe, OK I realize it's impolitic, but just seize some nation like we're doing in Iraq and let them witness there?
I'm just so weary of Jesus as Sly Stallone!
What ever happened to Lloyd Dobbins?
Wish I knew. After leaving NBC Overnight he went to SC to grow trees, IIRC. Damn that was a long time ago.
He's desperately needed in journalism, but these days who would hire him? He's much too reality based.
You kick ASS, Phila.
The first survey was recent, then the following ones were older. I'm showing a trend.
why has Bill Frist Flip-Flopped on the Filibuster? seems like a pretty staright forward question to me.
puppets a coward. pass it on.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:36 am | #
well first show me some evidence he flipflopped. I don't buy your thesis that he did. In fact, I am running accross literally hundreds of quotes from Dems CONDEMNING the filibuster, and now they defend it. Its Boxer, Byrd, Reid and the rest of DemCo that are the hypocrites here, sporty
Why do you people hate women so goddamn much?
To quote you, upthread: "Dude, I'm a musician, I get more ass than the toilet seat. Sure, _some_ are skanks, but hey, you do what you can."
You forgot the line about how they made their decision to have a baby when they "spread their legs"...
Pro-life - 50%
- Should Be Prohibited In All Cases 16%
- Should Be Legal Only To Save Mother's Life 12%
- Should Be Legal In Cases Of Rape, Incest Or To Save Mother's Life 22%
34% of 'pro-lifers' disagree with Jesus on abortion.
Explain.
Can we please just find a homeland for evangelicals?
Maybe, OK I realize it's impolitic, but just seize some nation like we're doing in Iraq and let them witness there?
Um, I got bad news, Pez. It's already happening...
Chew on this, puppets
The official poverty rate in 2003 was 12.5 percent, up from 12.1 percent in 2002.
In 2003, 35.9 million people were in poverty, up 1.3 million from 2002.
Poverty rates remained unchanged for Hispanics, non-Hispanic Whites, and Blacks, although it rose for Whites and Asians.
For children under 18 years old, both the poverty rate and the number in poverty rose between 2002 and 2003, from 16.7 percent to 17.6 percent, and from 12.1 million to 12.9 million, respectively. The poverty rate of children under 18 remained higher than that of 18-to-64 years olds and that of seniors aged 65 and over (10.8 percent and 10.2 percent, respectively, both unchanged from 2002).
From the most recent trough in 2000, both the number and rate have risen for three consecutive years, from 31.6 million and 11.3 percent in 2000, to 35.9 million and 12.5 percent in 2003.
These are "post-born" people that are already here. Where's your compassion again?
I seriously wonder what these Rapture clowns think about the fact that there aren't any paintings of it from, say, the Renaissance. You'd think it'd be a great subject for some of the painters back then.
Well, that's your typical 'change the argument to one I happen to have figures for" Democrat trope
Bush, quite simply, isn't as stupid as people think he is. He understands the mass of Idiot America in a way Kerry doesn't.
Oh, I've never thought of him as stupid. Evil, yes, but not stupid.
That said, it's Shrub's propagandameisters who truly understand how to brainwash people into idiocy. I don't believe that the mass of America starts out by being idiots. After all, it's the job of the Mighty Wurlitzer to turn Americans into idiots.
Green Day was right on the money when they sang:
Dont wanna be an American idiot
Dont want a nation under the new media
Hey can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind f*** America
Some of us are more susceptible than others to the "subliminal mind f*** America" This seems to have little or nothing to do with intelligence, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with how highly an individual values conformity.
Why do you people hate women so goddamn much?
To quote you, upthread: "Dude, I'm a musician, I get more ass than the toilet seat. Sure, _some_ are skanks, but hey, you do what you can."
You forgot the line about how they made their decision to have a baby when they "spread their legs"...
Oh, puppies doesn't hate women. He hates "girls."
What a stupid, ugly twat. No wonder nobody likes him.
I seriously wonder what these Rapture clowns think about the fact that there aren't any paintings of it from, say, the Renaissance. You'd think it'd be a great subject for some of the painters back then.
Does it show up in any form of artistic representation prior to the song by Blondie?
My vision of Jesus would slide more toward Izzy Kamakawiwo'ole than Tom DeLay. Maybe I'm out of the mainstream.
Ripley,
More up is down crap, if you ask me.
Jesus Christ as a boxer. Can you dig that? I can't...
Terrible. What a distortion of reality.
These are "post-born" people that are already here. Where's your compassion again?
Ripley | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:44 am | #
I've always wondered about people who argue with right-wingers about stuff like this, as if they need to validate themselves.
I wondered the same thing about Eric Alterman when he seemed compelled to prove that he was Jewish enough to criticize Israel when Cathy Young called him anti-semitic.
Same with Kerry and the Democrats. They seemed to want to prove how much they liked the troops and how 'Merken they are.
Sorry, but I've got nothing to prove to anybody. The question is, how do you win politically? What's your strategy? What did we do wrong and how to we correct it?
Bush, quite simply, isn't as stupid as people think he is..
SWR
As you know, I agree with many of your points. I still reserve the right to believe that Bush is nothing more than a useful tool. I readily grant that this may be a case of wishful thinking, but I got the feeling that he was selected for his unique blend of incuriousness and ego back when McCain's campaign mysteriously went into the drink at the time of the SC primaries in 2000.
I know you regard conspiracy theories with healthy mistrust, but I maintain that Bush is the perfect front man for corporate greedheads. There was absolutely nothing that would have recommended him in 1998 save an ability to project himself as jes plain folks, and they could have selected many others for the role. However, none of the others were as pliable as Fortunate Son.
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Phila, sounds like you pro-abortionists hate women:
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004...n/
04012901.html
Poll Shows Majority of Americans Believe Abortion Makes Women's Lives Worse
WASHINGTON, DC, January 29, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A new national poll indicates that the majority of Americans believe abortion makes women's lives worse. According to the poll, only 16 percent believe abortion generally makes women's lives better. Even among those who describe themselves as "pro-choice," less than 30 percent believe abortion generally improves women's lives.
I seriously wonder what these Rapture clowns think about the fact that there aren't any paintings of it from, say, the Renaissance.
Catholics tend to do the "megachurch" thing in a noticeably classier fashion.
Well, it's more a Trump-style "let's dip some shit in gold" fashion at times, but it's better than the silly rapture-sounding pop culture references on the megachurch billboards I drive by every day.
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You kick ASS, Phila.
Le bigvic
Nah. This is like beating up on a blind hemophiliac six-year-old. There's no glory in it.
Unfed trolls die. It's Nature's way.
Puppet, Jan 8, 2001 is still not May 1, 2005. This is what you cut and pasted earlier, minus of course the date and the somewhat suspect source.
Jesus Christ as a boxer. Can you dig that? I can't...
I'm gonna knock you out! Virgin Mary said knock you out! Virgin Mary said knock you out!
Hey, puppets is a twat. Has anyone else noticed that he is stupid and ugly and nobody likes him?
Man woman and child, are we going to have to wait until Atrios sleeps off the jet lag to get some new threads up in here?
Anybody got the keys?
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Well, that's your typical 'change the argument to one I happen to have figures for" Democrat trope
puppets | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:45 am | #
Who were you responding to? If to me, again I ask, since 34% of 'pro-lifers' suppport it in some form, it's your job to play Jesus' Scott McLellan.
Waiting for you Jesus-nuance.
Worthless scum.
Here you go is one from 2004, up to date enough for you??
http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/...ips.dbm?
ID=8087
New Poll: Majority of Americans, Blacks, Students Pro-Life on Abortion
While abortion advocates marched in Washington on Sunday, pro-life groups were touting the results of a new poll showing that a majority of Americans, including African Americans and students, are pro-life on abortion.
In a poll released Friday by Zogby International, a respected polling firm, a total of 56 percent agreed with one of the following pro-life views: abortion should never be legal (18 percent), legal only when the life of the mother is in danger (15 percent) or legal only when the life of the mother is in danger or in cases of rape or incest (23 percent).
Since abortions in cases of rape or incest or those necessary to save the life of the mother are extremely rare, that means a majority of Americans oppose approximately 96 percent of all abortions.
For the record, Jesus didn't condone prostitution, he merely said you should forgive sinners. He never said prostitution, adultery and fornication are not considered sins. For you to say that Jesus would have not condemned killing innocent unborn children is ludicrous.
Figured you'd snap at that.
There's a big gap between "condone" and "condemn." Whether Jesus would condemn abortion is open to conjecture. But because he didn't condone it, doesn't mean he condemned it.
Forgiveness sort of excludes condemnation, too. Hard to forgive and condmen, simultaneously. Unless forgiveness isn't really forgiveness, but just "don't do that again!" Which is a warning, actually.
Big gap between forgiveness and warning, too.
Puppets=the troll previously known as Ether.
Even among those who describe themselves as "pro-choice," less than 30 percent believe abortion generally improves women's lives.
puppets
Interesting wording, there.
I can't see why anyone would argue that "abortion generally improves women's lives."
That's not its purpose, for one thing.
Wow. I had no idea that Jesus would want my sister, who has been suffering from small strokes thanks to her body's failure to keep her blood pressure regulated (it's too low) and who just found out she's pregnant (unplanned) - I had no idea that Jesus wants her to die and leave the two children she already has motherless so she can continue a pregnancy that might kill her.
I don't recall Jesus ever saying anything at all about abortion, but then again, I'm not quoting from the New-N-Improved Testament that was pulled steaming from Falwell's ass.
Poll Shows Majority of Americans Believe Abortion Makes Women's Lives Worse
FUCKING HILARIOUS!!! WHERE'S THE FUCKING POLL????
I still reserve the right to believe that Bush is nothing more than a useful tool.
Every presidential candidate is a usefull tool, to a certain extent, partly because the president has to be an elected King.
Think of the president as the anchorman. Who are the real journalists.
Think about it. Every president in American history has been a White Anglo Saxon Protestant male (with the exception of one very elite and very WASPY Irish Catholic).
Are there really no Jews, no women, no blacks, no Hispanics qualified?
I personally don't even think a guy like Jon Corzine could be president because he has a beard and looks like an English professor.
You need that helmet head of hair, that stiff, WASPY look, that Ted Baxter idiocy.
We draw our presidents from a very narrow gene pool. Kerry won the primaries because he looked "presidential".
Dennis Kucinich never stood a chance because he's short and ethnic.
Bush, quite simply, isn't as stupid as people think he is. He understands the mass of Idiot America in a way Kerry doesn't.
Are you farking nuts? He has to be fed answers to questions. The dumbass can't articulate a simple sentence. He has to pay people to pimp his bad ideas. He's dumber than a box of rocks. Being a cunning rat bastard is quite different from being stupid. He is stupid.
Only 42 percent of those surveyed agreed with one of the following statements supporting abortion: abortion should be legal for any reason in the first 3 months (25 percent), legal for any reason during the first 6 months (4 percent) or legal for any reason at any time during the woman's pregnancy (13 percent).
"NARAL, Planned Parenthood and their comrades like to think they represent a majority of Americans," stated Carol Tobias, political director for the National Right to Life Committee. "However, the latest poll shows that their extreme position of abortion on demand throughout pregnancy is supported by only 13 percent of the public."
When asked to simply identify themselves as "pro-life" or "pro-choice," Americans said they were pro-life by a 49-45 percent margin.
With 49 percent calling themselves pro-life and 56 percent of Americans taking a pro-life position on abortion, some confusion exists about the labels used to identify both sides of the abortion debate.
Meanwhile, according to Holly Smith, director of youth outreach for NRLC, the Zogby poll found that 51.6% of 18-29 year-olds call themselves "pro-life."
I do love women, and I believe, as do a VAST majority of women, according to these polls, that abortion is harmful to women. You pro-abortionists seem to hate women by encouraging them to harm themselves by advocating abortions.
What's wrong with you women hating bigots?
racist coward puppets finally replies to a very simple question. wow.
So I guess puppets doesn't have any problem with Bill Frist flip flopping on the filibuster. I think it shows a moral relativism on the Senator's part. First he's for the filibuster, and votes to filibuster judicial nominees, but now he's against it? The Senate Majority Leader, a moral relativist, who would have thunk?
but how puppets can support such obvious moral cowardice in his leaders is the real question we should be asking. if Bill Frist is a flipflopper on the filibuster what else has he flipflopped on? will he flipflop on the radical extremists he's aligned himself with?
the last thing this country needs is more flipflopping. call Bill Frist and tell him we won't stand for his flipflopping on the filibuster. and tell him puppets sent ya.
This is like beating up on a blind hemophiliac six-year-old. There's no glory in it.
Nor is there glory in beating up on a stupid and ugly twat whom nobody likes. But the paths of glory lead only... well, you know.
Because the Republicans have a better organization, a more disciplined message, and the willingness to keep hitting the media until the media dances.
Bingo!
But what largely enables much of this is that the Republicans own almost all of the media. And what they don't own is usually owned by Democrats of the "Even the liberal New Republic" stripe, e.g., the Sulzberger family (New York Times) and the guy who owns the New York Daily News and US News and World Report and whose name escapes me at the moment.
Maybe they read "moneychangers" as Jews.
It's astounding--well, not really--how many modern Xians don't realize that Jesus, as Messiah, was not only a Jew, but The Jew, to those who bought his Messianic candidacy. "Zealous for the Law", and all that. He was pretty much offed by his own religious leaders, by way of the Romans, but why? Mainly because, as Messiah, he was more Jewish than they were. He wasn't out to start a new church, but to bring Judaism "back to the fundamentals", so to speak. All that won't hardly fit on a bumper sticker, though, and is way past the average American attention span.
Why, though, do those of us who basically give a shit about religion know more about it than those who ostensibly believe in it?
Oops, almost forgot; IANABS
Every presidential candidate is a usefull tool..
SWR
Bill Hicks had a bit where every President, after taking the oath, was ushered into a private screening room by the CIA, whereupon he was shown a JFK assassination film from an angle heretofore never seen.
And once the lights came back up he was asked, "Any questions?"
Here you go is one from 2004, up to date enough for you?
how do "the Negroes" feel about abortion, puppets? any data on that? what about the "foreigners"? have the "secular humanists" been polled?
Well, I have church duties early in the morning.
Don't spend all night pulling the puppet's strings, y'all.
It'll make you go blind.
I personally don't even think a guy like Jon Corzine could be president because he has a beard and looks like an English professor.
I personally think a nation run by English professors would be an Earthly Paradise.
I do love women, and I believe, as do a VAST majority of women, according to these polls,
Vast?! Whatever.
So, dude...which birth-control method did Jesus tell you to use while you were porking all those skanks?
crap
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:54 am | #
well I see its a waste of time replying to you since you ignored my answer completely and fabricated your own. I don't see you coming up with any quotes from Frist defending the filibuster, while I've come up with dozens from Dems condemning the filibuster while they were in the majority, and defending it now. You are on the wrong side here sporty.
I personally think a nation run by English professors would be an Earthly Paradise.
Kind of the liberal fantasy in "The West Wing".
But that show really bores me. Those people are all sooo solemn and sooooo unhappy and sooooooo uptight.
You know the White House is more fun than that, whoever's in office.
Puppets is an ugly twat whom nobody likes. And ugly.
Seems to me the problme with abortion is not abortion but the need for it. But then again, people such as puppet are willingly to leave people without the knowledge or tools to avoid that need. The view that "just don't do it" is all that is necessary is a nice little safety zone, discounting thousands of years of human history, cultural development, human nature, base instinct and the reality of life. But it is easier to take the view that it is simply the fault of the individual and walk away from real discussions and developing solutions that are not draconian and worthy of a enforced behavior. Sorry brat, its a fact, people until they have the underpinnings of humanity pulled out from their psyche are going to make mistakes, have exceptions and simply respond to being fucking human. But that isn't your problem, now scurry back to your Bible and find another self righteous piece if comforting pablum to triumphantly fling to us heathen masses. I would rather listen to RMJ trouble his way through understanding his area of specialty than your lockstep and unimaginative tripe.
(Shouldn't have had the beer, my typing sucks as it is)
You know the White House is more fun than that, whoever's in office.
So are English departments.
And you're assuming we could do worse on the policy front...
Puppet somewhat better, but I still don't get how 18% make a majority. You are logically Pro-choice if you support any form of abortion regardless of what limits you want to put on it.
But since it will make you feel better go ahead and demand that abortions should stop immediately. But make sure you put laws in place to stop those slutty rich girls from crossing borders to get an abortion. I dunno mandatory urine tests at all border crossings perhaps.
I do love women
But they think you are ugly and stupid.
Pissed Off
You mean those girls get to leave the cities without papers and a male family member in attendance/
So are English departments.
And you're assuming we could do worse on the policy front...
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 2:00 am | #
English professors are way sleazier than those boring souls in the West Wing.
I still remember my sophmore year of college when I went out of my way to chat up any male English professor while he was hitting on his students.
Used to piss them off. I stopped it when it started affecting my GPA.
Apropos of the Rapture, I was just poking around to see if any of these bozos had any explanation for why it's not discussed 'til 1830.
I found a great site that argued that the doctrine had been arrived at "inductively." Now, I'm well aware that induction has its pitfalls, but it doesn't deserve to be blamed for this kind of idiocy.
The guy went on to solve the problem nicely, I thought:
"It may come as a surprise to many Christians, but the doctrine of the Rapture is not mentioned in any Christian writings, of which we have knowledge, until after the year 1830 A.D. Whether the early writers were Greek or Latin, Armenian or Coptic, Syrian or Ethiopian, English or German, orthodox or heretic, no one mentioned a syllable about it. Of course, those who feel the origin of the teaching is in the Bible would say that it only ceased being taught (for some unknown reason) at the close of the apostolic age only to reappear in 1830 A.D. But if the doctrine were so clearly stated in Scripture, it seems incredible that no one should have referred to it before the 19th century. This does not necessarily show that the teaching is wrong, but it does mean that thousands of eminent scholars who lived over a span of seventeen centuries (including some of the most astute of the "Christian Fathers" and those of the Reformation and post-Reformation periods) must be considered as prophetic dunces for not having understood so fundamental a teaching."
Now you know.
I'm gonna go drink some booze now, and wash the taste of troll entrails out of my mouth. Good night, folks!
I personally think a nation run by English professors would be an Earthly Paradise.
Naw, better to have holier-than-thou Classics professors. Proper Grammar in the White House by 2012! Or else!
So, dude...which birth-control method did Jesus tell you to use while you were porking all those skanks?
Phila | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:58 am | #
Well it would be ungentlemanly of me to elaborate on the exact sex acts we indulged, but who said I was 'porking' them, are you so romantically put it. Maybe we were just sparking
For the record, I've never knocked anyone up, but if I did, I'd do the right thing and help raise the kid, financially, emotionally and in substansive ways. I wouldn't try to convince the girl to abort the baby for my convenience because it wasn't "wanted". That's just despicable, and the majority of Americans agree, whether you aging hippies like it or not. The country is getting more religious. I never said I myself was a practicing Catholic or any religion. I'm saying I respect people who are and I don't think they are superstitious fools or rubes or 'fundies' or whatever demeaning label you guys are using now. I think religion is a force for good in the world and I respect them for following the disciplines of their religions, and I believe that the Bible and religious traditions have a basis in our laws, and there's nothing wrong with that.
OK. Polls, polls, polls.
Should we keep abortion legal based on somebody's polls? Well, who is "somebody"?
The answer is no. We should not ask our government to do something based on a random poll without backing it up. Remember, the other day Jon Stewart ridiculed CNN for letting that RRR (Radical Religious Right) say on their show that gays are 11 times more likely to commit pederasty. Grossly untrue.
Here are the results of a self-poll that are based in reality.
100% of girls who wouldn't tell their parents about an abortion do so because of the hatred or embarassment or fear of retribution. Jesus would tell them to have the baby anyway and fly in the face of their parents like he did several times in the bible. Jesus did not respect his parents when it came to principles, i.e. When those principles hurt others.
C'mon America, I know not many people will read this late night (for most of you) comment, but this country needs to get over its hatred of sex, criminalization of sex, and resultant hatred of the young women in trouble in this country. Finger pointing, polls against abortion, and protests will not change the fact that sex is not punishable by death, which is what will happen to some young women if this is made illegal.
Stop the rhetoric, keep it legal, and put you money where your mouths are, people, the government needs to have its own Planned Parenthood operation, pushing adoption first.
Maybe, OK I realize it's impolitic, but just seize some nation like we're doing in Iraq and let them witness there?
Um, I got bad news, Pez. It's already happening...
Eli
Not for long. When the religious bigots get unmasked for what they really are, they seriously scare America. Think Shiavo/Justice Sunday.
In truth, no one should understand the legitimacy of judicial filibusters better than Bill Frist. On March 9, 2000, Frist participated in a filibuster of Richard Paez, President Clinton's nominee to the Ninth Circuit. When confronted about his vote late last year, Frist claimed he filibustered Paez for "scheduling" purposes. Not true. A press release by former Senator Bob Smith titled "Smith Leads Effort to Block Activist Judicial Nominees" plainly states that the intent of the filibuster was to "block" the Paez nomination.
Puppet Read then explain why Frist has Flip-flopped on the fillibuster.
well puppets might be ugly, and stupid, and none of the girls like him, but his real sin is his support for Frist's flipflopping on the filibuster.
First Frist voted to Filibuster, but now he wants to end the Filibuster. which is it Bill? and what's up with all this moral relativism?
Seems to me the problme with abortion is not abortion but the need for it.
You read my mind.
I think religion is a force for good in the world
I don't.
C'mon America, I know not many people will read this late night (for most of you) comment, but this country needs to get over its hatred of sex, criminalization of sex, and resultant hatred of the young women in trouble in this country.
I am so totally over my hatred of sex.
Nite Phila, good postings.
A White House Adrift
Gas prices, Social Security, Tom DeLay. What else can go wrong for Bush?
By Holly Bailey and Richard Wolffe
Newsweek
May 9 issue - George Voinovich is not your typical Bush loyalist. A self-styled deficit hawk, the former Cleveland mayor and Ohio governor is so frugal that he once fished a penny out of a urinal in the Statehouse. To the White House, his independent spirit should have come as no surprise: he split with his party over the estate tax in 2000 and he opposed the size of Bush's tax cuts three years later. Yet when it came to the prickly question of John Bolton's nomination as U.N. ambassador, the president's team assumed Voinovich would fall into line.
The warning signs were there if anyone had looked for them. About two weeks before senators were set to vote on Bolton's nomination, Voinovich "grilled" Bolton for an hour in private, according to officials familiar with the session, asking "tough questions" about allegations that Bolton sought to force out an intelligence analyst who disagreed with him. Yet in subsequent days, nobody at the White House asked the senator directly about Bolton. Others got the full-court press: Lincoln Chafee, the wavering Rhode Island Republican, took phone calls from Bush's chief of staff Andy Card and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. But the administration didn't contact Voinovich directly until he announced to the world that he wasn't comfortable voting for Bolton. As the explosive Senate meeting ended, Matthew Kirk, the president's Senate liaison, ran up to Voinovich to tell him, "We'll get you whatever you need."
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To some in Congress, those problems are a sign that politics are simply getting more costly for the president—a development that some inside his party think is long overdue. One Republican Senate aide said there had been "a lot of frustration for a lot of people" over the postwar management of Iraq, leading to "more assertiveness on Congress's role" on a range of issues. Others say the party has been surprised by Democratic discipline after their defeat in November, denying Bush any time for a victory lap. "The Democrats, in a lot of ways, haven't ended the campaign," says Ed Gillespie, the former Republican Party chairman. "That's new. Nobody anticipated it."
Not for long. When the religious bigots get unmasked for what they really are, they seriously scare America. Think Shiavo/Justice Sunday.
Jury's still out. They still have 18 months to deliberate.
Puppets is an ugly twat whom nobody likes. And ugly.
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 1:59 am | #
wow
never let it be said that atriosians aren't masters of logical and persuasive debating techniques!
You sir, have rebutted my poll figures and analysis with a rapier-like intellect and piercing perspicacity! My hat's off to you, The R-sites! May you graduate to the X-sites next!!!11
Well, I have church duties early in the morning.
Rmj, Dynamic Swami
Dang. Is Rmj trying to mess up the whole "you dang libruls hate Jeebus vibe?"
It may be fun to smack the inflatible troll-clown around, but as far as I'm concerned, when it brought up LifeSiteNews.com or whatever the hell it was, it jumped the shark. Initiate ignore mode.
On the other hand, SWR has brought up some interesting, provocative points and made a good thread out of something that started with "French Teenagers." One of the reasons I love Eschaton.
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"You read my mind.
Pitchforks and Torches "
And you could read my typos.
You mean those girls get to leave the cities without papers and a male family member in attendance
Did you know...
The Archbishop of Dublin in the late 1940s actually proposed making it illegal for Irish girls to leave the country for any reason before the age of 19? Came very close to doing it, too. He did manage to get tampons declared illegal contraband for two years, though.
Religious bigots hate women. It's a fact!
but this country needs to get over its hatred of sex,
Hmmm. Hadn't had that problem.
besides being a coward, a racist, and an idiot, it turns out puppets is also a virgin. what a surprise.
Nite, RMJ.
Peace.
I believe that the Bible and religious traditions have a basis in our laws, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Puppets, you freak, that would allow you to sell your daughter into slavery, stone adulterers to death, and perform abortions on your enemies. Read your book. Stop eating shellfish, and boycott Wal*Mart, they sell clothing made of two different types of material. FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU ASS.
Geez, puppy's "poll figures" are not relevant to the original point!
Stupid, ugly twat. No wonder nobody likes him.
sex with French teenagers, I would so hate that. with a passionate and searing hate.
sex with French teenagers, I would so hate that. with a passionate and searing hate.
More for me!
I found a great site that argued that the doctrine had been arrived at "inductively."
How funny is it that the same boobs who argue against the constitutionality of "right to privacy" and "separation of church and state" on the basis that these are derived are all too willing to resort to induction when it comes to fairy tales of Ragnarok?
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English professors are way sleazier than those boring souls in the West Wing.
Nah.
English professors are way sleazier than those boring souls in the West Wing.
Nah.
You think we weren't paying attention in the "weirdest place you've had sex" thread?
English professors are way sleazier than those boring souls in the West Wing.
Nah.
The ones I knew were. Well, some of them were.
Personally, I think studying English (or any type of "criticism") is a waste of time.
It's better to study theater or music or anything that teaches you how to create and not analyze.
Being a cunning rat bastard is quite different from being stupid. He is stupid
bigvic - He's worse than stupid, he's willfully ignorant. Stupid people can often be educated, willfully ignorate people refuse to be.
Just worked this up, very roughly...dedicated to puppets.
To open your legs
Oh women for shame!
You know there are dregs
Not worthy the name
Of men, they for whom
Your honor’s not worth
The tiniest sum
Men damned from their birth
To wander the world
With no deeper aim
Than how many girls’
Maids’ prize they can claim
They leave through the door
With the laugh of a hound
And say "you cheap whore
My faint charms put you down
And off now I go
As free as the air
Whate’er pain you go thro’
Is no part of my care"
Such scum doth exist
I’m sure you agree
You cannot have missed
Their semblance in me
sex with French teenagers, I would so hate that.
May it never happen to me while I'm sober again. Unless it's my way of bringing down the enemy's morale, in which case it's full speed America...
Not for long. When the religious bigots get unmasked for what they really are, they seriously scare America. Think Shiavo/Justice Sunday.
What the American public will put up with is exceeded only by what it will flat out ignore. I guess I'm with you on Shiavo, that got everyone's attention, but who watched the Sunday Funnies except the believers and a few curious agostics?
Puppets is the "undead" Ted Smith.
Puppets, you're party is in command now. "You have the conn" as they say in the Navy.
Drive the ship and stop worrying about the backed up toilets!
Are you worthy of the command you have been sniping for forty years?
My first comment from my actual house in three months!
And I have nothing to say... Except that I have the keenest eye for color in the universe.
I personally think a nation run by English professors would be an Earthly Paradise.
Thersites
"The horror! The horror!"
Mothers are supposed to defend the life of their unborn, even with their lives. For women to kill a child as a means of birth control is disgusting and barbaric.
This is the crucial thing in puppet's postings. He wants women to act in a certain way, in a way that he doesn't expect men to act. Women are supposed to be totally self-sacrificing, and if they have an abortion it is obviously for birth control. Something in puppet's background makes him view women not as people, methinks, but as mythological creatures that are supposed to do certain things that he wants them to do.
Pitchforks and Torches you are right the simple fact is there is only one choice and all the polls taken will not change that.
Morally there is only one choice make abortion safe, legal, and rare. And there is only one way to do that education. Telling people to "just say no" to sex is not the answer lying about sex and its consequences is not the answer. Telling the truth is and when people are educated about a subject they have this remarkable tendency to make the right choices for themselves.
Screaming abortion is murder isn't going to change the fact that there is a medical procedure called abortion. People will still seek them if they have to leave the country or do it in a back alley with a fucking coathanger. Abortions will happen regardless of whatever law is passed. And if it is made illegal again every fucking girl who dies because of something that could have been done safely in a hospital is the fault of those people who are screaming about abortion being murder.
I wonder if puppets can explain the following conundrum:
As the country has been growing "more religious" and now that the entire government is controlled by the more godly Republicans, the abortion rate has gone way, way, way up.
Using puppet logic, the reason is quite clear: Republicans and religion cause abortion.
pft Phila, the Nation? Where's some direct quotes, like I posted from Byrd, Reid, Gore, Biden etc. against the filibuster. What you have there is conjecture, not hypocritical statements.
Here, I'll help you. You defend this for me, unless you are a 'coward'. For the record, I have been posting this stuff for weeks and you have dodged the question.
Washington Times - Sen. Ken Salazar has backed off the position he took during his campaign last year that Democrats should not filibuster President Bush’s judicial nominees.
Republicans had been counting on Mr. Salazar, a Democrat from Colorado, as a key vote against the filibusters. His defection is a serious blow to the hopes of Senate Republicans who wanted more bipartisan weight behind their “nuclear option” to dislodge filibusters.
“Senator Salazar has made no decision on any judge,” spokesman Cody Wertz told The Washington Times when asked if Mr. Salazar still planned to vote against the filibusters.
However, during his campaign in centrist Colorado, Mr. Salazar said he favored an up-or-down vote in the full Senate for judicial nominees.
Mr. Salazar pledged during an interview with the Rocky Mountain News in Denver that he would not take part in the filibusters of judicial nominees.
“In a pre-election interview with the News editorial board, Sen.-elect Ken Salazar said he favored an up-or-down vote in the full Senate on judicial nominations,” the paper’s editorial board wrote Nov. 8. “We hope he sticks with that position even if his Democratic colleagues-to-be lean on him, as they are almost certain to do.”
Something in puppet's background makes him view women not as people, methinks, but as mythological creatures that are supposed to do certain things that he wants them to do.
That is definitely a mythological view of women. And cats.
And congrats, ror!
Thersites
That tends to shore up my view as a man, that our gender should have absolutely no input or control over a woman's body.
Look at it this way, has anyone suggested any governance regarding sperm count, whether we have maintained a proper level of such and did we spill seed for no purpose other than pleasure.
Hell these bastards are so dry they will likely not provide any good reading material beside Golf and Field n Stream at the mandatory evaluation centers.
Though I have seen a few folks who would likely find the Golf magazine provocative. Thems weird folks.
apostate or heretic?
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
Mrs, I chose apostate. Perhaps I should have said heretic???
Here's more, simple googling will get you hundreds:
Over the weekend, former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell unceremoniously inserted himself into the debate over judicial nominations, and his stance against the limiting filibusters were greeted uncritically in mainstream media.
In this weekend's coverage, this is how Mitchell characterized his time as Senate Majority Leader vis a vis the filibuster:
Mitchell said: “Our system of checks and balances is in place for a very good reason. It works. It protects all Americans.”
“During the six years that I served as Senate majority leader, Republicans often used filibusters to achieve their objectives,” Mitchell said. “I didn’t always agree with the results, but I accepted them and we were able to work together on many important issues.”
But here's Mitchell on December 2, 1994, speaking to CNN's Bob Franken, reflecting on his tenure in his final days as Majority Leader:
Mr. FRANKEN: You became majority leader in 1989, which raises an interesting point. You were almost unprecedented in your ability to overturn the Senate tradition of seniority then and move past everybody, but Senate traditions die very hard here, to the point that there are many people who feel that the Senate, frankly, is obsolete. Do you think that in some ways it is?
Sen. MITCHELL: No, I don't think the Senate's obsolete. I think that the previous restraint that senators had exercised with respect to the rules had vanished, and as a result, the rules are being abused in a way that obstructs and prevents action. That wasn't intended by the men who started this country and wrote the Constitution. I think we should have reform, but I don't think the Senate's obsolete.
Mr. FRANKEN: Well, you're talking about the filibuster.
Sen. MITCHELL: Yes.
Mr. FRANKEN: And the view that many people have is that the popular will can be overly thwarted by use of the filibuster, and you're saying that was demonstrated this year. Why do we need the filibuster anymore?
Sen. MITCHELL: The Senate is unique among legislative institutions in the world, in part because of two rules - one, the unlimited right of debate, which can become a filibuster, and the unrestricted right of amendment.
I think we should keep them, but we should limit the opportunities for their use much more than is now the case. To give you an example - not just an example - to cite some facts to illustrate the need for this, in the entire 19th Century, there were only 16 filibusters, one every six and a half years. In most of this century, they occurred less than once a year. In this Congress just concluded, there were 72 times that we had to file motions to end filibusters.
Mr. FRANKEN: But what is the purpose of a filibuster? What constructive purpose does it serve?
Sen. MITCHELL: It can prevent precipitous action. It's intended to permit a longer time for consideration. Like all things in life that serve a useful purpose, it can be abused, and it was abused in this Congress. I hope the next Congress doesn't act in the same way.
Mr. FRANKEN: But, Senator, when the law is written, one of the things that's always significant is it's written in a way to avoid abuse, or else it isn't written. Here you have a procedure that is inherently available for abuse. Do its advantages outweigh its disadvantages anymore?
Sen. MITCHELL: I think we should keep it, but I think we should limit and restrict the opportunities for its use so that we keep the good and prevent the abuse.
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Sen. MITCHELL: Now, I don't want to be defending the filibuster and I don't want to be defending the obstructionist tactics that the Republicans used in this past Congress. But I think the appropriate course is to say that we retain those provisions which make the Senate the unique institution it is, but we reform them in a way that doesn't lend itself to abuse of those procedures, as occurred in this past Congress.
We couldn't agree more, Senator.
"The horror! The horror!"
Rmj, Dynamic Swami
To which the perfect reply is: "Don't Panic." I've long thought that Heart of Darkness and Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy" were naturals to be taught together...
Personally, I think studying English (or any type of "criticism") is a waste of time.
It's better to study theater or music or anything that teaches you how to create and not analyze.
Uh, false dichotomy. Good artists are of necessity good critics. Otherwise they would have no way of knowing what is worth taking from those who have gone before in whatever genre they have chosen, and what should be rejected. Also, good criticism IS creative.
And never mind that nobody would have any comprehension of any sort of art of the past without developing at least basic critical skills.
I wonder if puppets can explain the following conundrum:
As the country has been growing "more religious" and now that the entire government is controlled by the more godly Republicans, the abortion rate has gone way, way, way up.
Using puppet logic, the reason is quite clear: Republicans and religion cause abortion.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 2:20 am | #
yeah, I've heard liberal bloggers spurt that myth.
Got any actual figures to support it?
rorschach
Pretty cool on the abode. You can run around in your underwear anytime you want now eh?
My first comment from my actual house in three months!
Ror! Finally. Congrats, and rest in peace in your own home for a change. Whew.
Thank you, Eli!
The gas should be turned back on tomorrow, yielding ms. roschach's first hot jacuzzi bath in our refurbished house. And our cats are moved back in and getting used to it...
All is right with the world.
Well Phila, what about it? Are you too "cowardly" (your words) to defend this hypocrisy?
Leahy's Hypocrisy Over Filibusters
If you read Senator Kyl's floor statement from earlier today, you'll remember him discussion Clinton's judicial nominees, Berzon and Paez. Here is what Senator Patrick Leahy said regarding these nominations back in October of 1999 (courtest of the Congressional Record, p S11793-S11799). Emphasis will be added.
I look forward to working with the majority leader to fulfill the Senate's duty to vote on the nominations of Judge Richard Paez and of Marsha Berzon. These are nominations that have been pending for a very long time.
This debate is about fairness and the issue that remains is the issue of fairness. For too long, nominees ... have been opposed in anonymity, through secret holds and delaying tactics--not by straight up-or-down votes where Senators can vote for them or vote against them.
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They have been forced to run some kind of strange in-the-dark gauntlet of Senate confirmations. Those strong enough to work through that secret gauntlet and get reported to the floor are then being dealt the final death blow through a refusal of the Republican leadership to call them up for a vote. They should be called up for a fair vote. They may be defeated--the Republicans are in the majority; there are 55 Republican Senators; they could vote them down. But let them have a fair vote, up or down. Let all Senators have to stand up and vote aye or nay, and be responsible to their constituency to explain why they voted that way. Unfortunately, nominations are being killed through neglect and silence, not defeated by a majority vote.
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So I ask, again, for the Senate to fulfill its responsibility to vote on all the judicial nominations on the calendar; vote for them or vote against them. We can vote them up or we can vote them down, but after 44 months or 27 months or 20 months, let us vote.
Leahy spoke about the Senate fulfilling its duty and being fair to nominees by letting them be voted on instead of being held up... sentiments he's long since forgotten. The major difference between Clinton's nominees and Bush's nominees is that Clinton's nominees were never filibustered, and they are sitting judges today.
I guess for Democrats, fairness only counts when it is a Democrat's nominees waiting to be given an up-or-down vote.
4morewars, I liked your poem. Here is mine:
Puppets
is stupid.
And ugly.
And nobody
likes him.
[Vers libre]
Well done, Ror-no longer-shack!
Fuck, I figured it out.
I'm gonna make big bucks being a TX Tow Truck Guy.
The competion is fiesrce.
But what is better than sitting in some gas station parking lot waiting for the scanner to start me flying.
Kinna boring when I get there and there is already 12 tow trucks, but still, I can do it better, and next time I'll be the one.
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And I have nothing to say... Except that I have the keenest eye for color in the universe.
rorschach
Yo, rorshach! *waves*
Fry: "So, I really am important? How I feel when I'm drunk is correct?"
Nibblonian 1: "Yes. Except the Dave Matthews Band doesn't rock."
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I call myself paying attention, but I did not realize that Ted "Arkansas Project Perjury Suspect" Olson had recently taken over Matthew Cooper's contempt defense. Veddy interistink.
And Max Boot just made an utter RW zealot fool of himself at the LA Book Festival thing on c-span2. Cocksucka.
4morewars, I liked your poem.
me, too.
SD
The gas should be turned back on tomorrow, yielding ms. roschach's first hot jacuzzi bath in our refurbished house. And our cats are moved back in and getting used to it...
Welcome home!
PARTY AT RORSCHACH'S!
I want to see the cats in the jacuzzi, especially.
731? This is some serious thread we got here.
Thersites
That tends to shore up my view as a man, that our gender should have absolutely no input or control over a woman's body.
Not exactly a message heard around the world, is it? Good lord. Look at the time. Must shove off in a moment.
rorshach,
Bad news is that when Shrub looks at your image, he still sees a pony.
rorschach
Pretty cool on the abode. You can run around in your underwear anytime you want now eh?
EkCentriK
Oy. I can see the finish line, but I ain't there yet.
Don't get me started on the fact that my conractor lost half of my fucking blinds...
That tends to shore up my view as a man, that our gender should have absolutely no input or control over a woman's body.
Um, when you say "absolutely no input"...
The truth is, there are no statistics and no analysis of abortion numbers during GWB's presidency- this myth was based on extrapolation of data. Details here
http://callifeadvocates.spyblog....rchives/2004/
10
and here
http://66.195.16.55/nat886b.html
There was a point I sort of glossed over earlier. While I don't think Shrub is stupid, I certainly don't believe he understands the masses of Americans. He doesn't connect with the American public; the Mighty Wurlitzer, however, relentlessly tries to brainwash us into thinking he does connect. And on more susceptible people, particularly those who highly value conformity, that brainwashing works.
To truly connect with the American people, he'd have to possess some actual empathy...and the empathy gene was long ago bred out of the Bush Crime Family.
As much as I loathed the Reagan administration, Reagan himself did possess that empathy gene and used it to his political advantage. However, he was a walking, talking mass of cognitive dissonance who could never make the connection between his policies, which were toxically harmful to the great mass of the American people, and his genuine fondness for and empathy with the great mass of the American people. To a large degree, he solved this disconnect by truly believing in fantasy even when facts strongly contradicted that fantasy.
The modus operandi of the Bush Crime Family and its Mighty Wurlitzer subsidiary, however, is to cynically create fantasies for the masses to believe in, even if they don't believe in the fantasies themselves.
Don't get me started on the fact that my conractor lost half of my fucking blinds...
rorschach "
I didn't mean to hit a sore spot. um ... put a robe on guy.
Oh, here's a funny one: puppy's very pasted post proves that whatever about the Dems, the the GOP are hideous hypocrites!.
Stupid, ugly twat -- nobody likes you.
puppet if you agree with the senator then what are you babbleing about?
From your cut and paste:
To give you an example - not just an example - to cite some facts to illustrate the need for this, in the entire 19th Century, there were only 16 filibusters, one every six and a half years. In most of this century, they occurred less than once a year. In this Congress just concluded, there were 72 times that we had to file motions to end filibusters.
72 > 10 for those who cannot do math
Also:
Now, I don't want to be defending the filibuster and I don't want to be defending the obstructionist tactics that the Republicans used in this past Congress. But I think the appropriate course is to say that we retain those provisions which make the Senate the unique institution it is, but we reform them in a way that doesn't lend itself to abuse of those procedures, as occurred in this past Congress.
He is saying keep the filibuster, despite the abuse of it by the GOP. And yet somehow you think this equates to get rid of it?
Mr FRANKEN: So, is it true that puppets is stupid and ugly, and that nobody likes him?
Sen. MITCHELL: Though I'd be hard pressed to reduce the facts to such a simple paradigm, I'd conclude that on the whole, you are correct.
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puppets
More words, please.
not geeting your drift.
Fluff it out a little.
thanks.
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Actual figures? Try almost 15%, dipshit.
From an all time low in 2000 (from the time of Roe v Wade to 2000), abortion is up some 15%.
Here is but one confirmation of the data, in a piece by a "Christian ethicist", no less.
God is an American.
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QuentinCompson - Oh that Max Boot thing was great. He was shaking after the crowd booed him so much. What can you expect when you make the Jonah Goldberg "smacky-face" defense for Abu-Ghraib.
Moron.
Don't get me started on the fact that my conractor lost half of my fucking blinds...
I don't have them!
And please keep doing business with my subsidiary, Shyster, Shyster, and Flywheel.
Thank you.
Puppets
is stupid.
And ugly.
And nobody
likes him.
[Vers libre]
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 2:24 am | #
That, in response to my posting of legit articles, facts and analysis by others and myself, says more about you than it does about me.
You guys like to run on about what brutes and illiterate morons right-wingers are, but you are at least as bad. At least I debate in good faith and make points. Name calling and childish taunts will never convince anyone of anything. Kind of like how Moore/MoveOn/Whoopie Goldberg didn't win Kerry any votes. But you guys will never learn, lucky for the Republicans
He was a vengeful God and didn't take any shit. He'd just as soon turn you into a pillar of salt as look at you. He definately frowned on Sodomy (and Gomorrahmy).
Aside from the sadism involved in the lustful comment made, and quoted, above by "puppets," if this puppets really believes this crap, can we go ahead and declare the Lord of the Rings novels religious texts on the level with the bible to be used to form social policy, so long as we're going to cite ancient twisted stories from the most authored and retranslated piece of text in history?
I just can't see a difference in believing mythologies from 3 or 4 thousand years ago about a "god" (who happens to have the emotional temperament of a 12 year old based on old testament) who hurls fireballs at cities, and believing Sauron is out to ruin my day and get his ring back.
Unless "puppets" is capable of returning to the reality-based community, how can you have a rational political debate with someone who sounds like they're hallucinating?
And just what the hell is "Gomorrahmy"?
Thanks, Thersites. Yours, too, short and sweet, lol.
And thanks, Sarah.
Sweet Jeebus, puppets is STILL here? I hope you all haven't been feeding him...unless you are feeding him to Mr. Wu's pigs.
Don't get me started on the fact that my conractor lost half of my fucking blinds...
rorschach "
I didn't mean to hit a sore spot. um ... put a robe on guy.
EkCentriK
Robe on. Half of rooms, blinded.
rorschach: having spent the entirety of the past two days moving things back into house (except while seeing George Clinton or celebrating friend's PhD)--quite thoroughly drunk.
rorshach,
congrats on the remodel. hot water has important things to tell us.
got to go too. but please don't let the virginal enthusiasm of our cut-n-paste pal, puppets, supporter of Frist the Filibuster Flip Flopper, go to waste.
everyone knows the recent increase in abortions is directly connected to Frist's ownership position in HCA. more abortions means more money in Frist the FlipFlopper's pocket.
(who happens to have the emotional temperament of a 12 year old based on old testament)
Man, I was starting to think I was the only one who noticed that...
"Um, when you say "absolutely no input"...
Eli "
Eli, I was expecting that ahem comment.
But back to the serious side. When I consider the things some of these people want and then look at my wife, and try to imagine her living in the world they push for, my blood pressure rises. She is an independent soul, wise, mature and has handled herself in the world well. Imagining her fettered by the constraints of these psuedo religious views creates a sense of violence in me that I do not think these people comprehend. Abortion is just the handle of the frying pan they want to bang over our collective heads. It is the wedge issue that is difficult to speak of with any absolutes and not stray into paths that make you seem blood thirsty and irreverent of human life. I really do not think they care a wit for the issues of abortion except it gives them a seat at the table in dicussing human behavior and how they wish to influence it. An influence, which in my view is worthy of fighting to remove and ensure it does not rise again.
And just what the hell is "Gomorrahmy"?
I think it has something to do with paper-folding.
Wow, a new thread is badly needed. The walls of this one are smeared with troll feces.
Moore/MoveOn/Whoopie
Moore/MoveOn/Whoopie
Moore/MoveOn/Whoopie
Moore/MoveOn/Whoopie
I like the way that sounds!
Moore/MoveOn/Whoopie
Jennifer, if you actually _read_ that article, it only covers a few states number one, 2, the data is only up to 2002, and is incomplete at that. The writers are extrapolating data to make conclusions that may or may not bear out.
And the fact the guy calls himself a "Christian ethicist" means nada. I can call myself one as well, that doesn't make my opinion any more valid. The pieces I posted debunked that exact study quite convincingly.
However, I'll refrain from calling you a 'dipshit', even though you are misguided and ill-informed
With 49 percent calling themselves pro-life and 56 percent of Americans taking a pro-life position on puppets being stupid, some confusion exists about the labels used to identify both sides of the puppets-is-a-twat debate.
Meanwhile, according to Holly Smith, director of youth outreach for NRLC, the Zogby poll found that 99% of 18-99 year-olds think "puupets" is a "stupid and ugly twat, and nobody likes him."
rorschach,
So glad the family is back at home and happy. Good for you all. I'm off to bed. You brought some joy to a thread that was polluted with miserable, negative sour pusses or worse.
Peace out.
put your money where your mouth is!
Latest Gallup poll:
If you criticize the President, you will die. Realizing that, how would you rate the President's performance:
6% Did Terry Schiavo run off to New Mexico?
17% The Minutemen are doing God's work.
26% I cain't wait to vote for whoever the next Bush in line is.
51% Please, please make it stop.
Wow, a new thread is badly needed. The walls of this one are smeared with troll feces.
Buzz Bomb
No feed, no feces. It's Nature's way.
Nightcha, vickenstein!
I haven't had a chance to tell you all about the new pet.
He showed up on the kitchen porch before dark a few nights ago when I had a steak out on the grill. I figured he was attracted by the scent and was going to snatch it, so I went out to bring it in, and he hid under the porch. I put the scraps out after I had dinner, and the next morning they were gone.
He's been back every night since. Kitty doesn't much like him coming around but after she spits and hisses at him, she backs off when it becomes clear that he's paying her no heed since he's about 4 times as big as she is.
He's the tamest racoon I've ever seen. Doesn't run when I open the door; in fact, this evening, came right up to the door, stuck his nose in the tiny crack it was open, and gave me a good sniffing.
That's as far as that's going to go, since he is a wild animal and they're always unpredictable. It's kind of cool to have a semi-pet racoon, but I don't want him getting too close.
Kitty seems to have reached an uneasy truce with him - she objects when he first shows up on the principle of violated territory; then when he makes clear he's not leaving until he's ready, she just hangs out and watches him.
Of course, I'm calling him Rocky.
Sweet Jeebus, puppets is STILL here? I hope you all haven't been feeding him...unless you are feeding him to Mr. Wu's pigs.
Buzz Bomb | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 2:35 am | #
actually, its a tag-team effort
the original 'puppets' went to bed awhile back, but I took over for him. He was the dead-cat monger/musician :D I'm a nicer sort and I sort of like kitties, in fact I have one at my feet as I speak and since I only have on a sleep-T she keeps my feet warm
but I still like arguing with you guys!
The pieces I posted debunked that exact study quite convincingly.
Hee hee. No they don't. You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Oh wait, a stupid ugly twat whom nobody likes.
One last parting shot and I'm really gone.
I heart you for what you just typed, EkC. Peace on you. Over and out.
rory, when do you defend?
THERE IS NO GOD!
THERE IS NO MARTINI WITH OUT VERMOUTH!
This is all we must know.
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Brilliant reposte, The R-sites.
I guess I could respond "Yeah they do!" and win the debate by your lights :p
Go back to calling me ugly, its more your speed.
Jennifer, be careful of racoons, They're killers. They're cute, but they're...well, vicious. I get my BB gun out when they...visit.
I don't want them around.
THERE IS NO GOD!
THERE IS NO MARTINI WITH OUT VERMOUTH!
From vermouth to God's ears.
yeah, I've heard liberal bloggers spurt that myth.
Got any actual figures to support it?
puppets
Figures???? To support an obvious contradiction?
Puppets, you missed that one by a mile. No wonder America is in such trouble. Darwin was right....survival of the fittest. The Bushites are fittest at crooking the political system but that's all.
The rest they will fail at. The earth will eat them alive, probably take us (Those left of Hiter) with them.
puppets - While we're at it, perhaps you can explain why the omnipotent, omniscient God of the universe needs your help in punishing sin.
And then you can explain to Him why it is that you feel He's incompetent to sort it all out and mete out whatever punishments He may feel are appropriate at the time He feels most appropriate.
Because otherwise, buddy, your fetish for doing His work for Him smacks of an appalling lack of faith.
Jennifer
Be very very careful and make sure your Cat has its shots. I know it is fun to entertain your guest, but the chance of disaster is high. And it will make mince meat of your cat if they tangle.
Sorry to be a downer...
rory, when do you defend?
Thersites
I am finishing one degree this summer, and defending my PhD in English in the winter, if all goes well...
Moore/MoveOn/Whoopie
Ahh, another right-wing talking point that was relentlessly jammed down our throat by the Mighty Wurlitzer.
Yet at a gathering of right-wing leaders called "Remedies to Judicial Tyranny," one operative can approvingly quote Joe Stalin's modus operandi for solving the court "problem" -- "no man, no problem" -- and the SCLM says.......
Jennifer, I never said anything about punishing anyone. I said I think abortion is wrong and an evil practice. By your logic, we shouldn't oppose genocide, racism or any other injustice, leave God to sort it out. I do not participate in any organized religion, but I do try to oppose injustice when I see it, and killing the unborn, by my way of seeing it, is an injustice. So I oppose it, I vote for lawmakers who oppose it, and I vote for referenda that opposes it.
You are projected a bit, dear.
Sweet Jeebus, puppets is STILL here?
The Mighty Wurlitzer pays overtime for early Sunday mornings.
EkCentriK
thanks.
Going to bed now, sweet dreams to all, no bedbugs.
SD
Time to call it a night. Sleep well, fuzzy moonbats.
QuentinCompson - Oh that Max Boot thing was great. He was shaking after the crowd booed him so much.
firedoglake
Man, I don't think I've ever seen the BookTV crowd actually boo a speaker. I've got to catch the reruns.
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and the SCLM still says.... -- crickets chirping -- ...
Sweet Jeebus, puppets is STILL here?
The Mighty Wurlitzer pays overtime for early Sunday mornings.
monchie b. monchum | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 2:50 am | #
puppets has now become a composite figure, comprised of 2 people who share a computer, the original of which is now asleep.
I however carry on the battle! Hit me with your best shot, I'm twice the man puppets is and I don't even own any testicles!
Sarah - yes, racoons are vicious if cornered...or if anything really threatening gets in their way.
They don't really mess with cats though, they seem to realize that the cats can't hurt them and the cats are smart enough to realize that they'll get the short end of the stick if they actually engage the racoons beyond complaining.
But no, I don't plan to let him get close enough to bite or scratch. And kitty's shots are always kept up-to-date just in case she decides to do something stupid and push her luck. But even without our regular visitor, she would still come into contact with them pretty regularly - they're all over the place in my neighborhood.
They're extremely cool animals, and this one has the curiosity of a cat. I can't help but be intrigued by any wild animal that recognizes when a particular human is not a threat. Still yet, wouldn't want one in the house!
However, I'll refrain from calling you a 'dipshit', even though you are misguided and ill-informed
This coming from someone who takes as fact mythological stories from several thousand years ago about physically impossible phenomena. Hey "puppets"! A couple weeks ago I parted the Pacific and walked to Maui. Then I was lazy on the way back and just walked on the water. An orca snatched me out of the water and ate me, but I came back to life a couple of hours later with a massive headache. Then the tooth-fairy whisked me off to the Fortress of Solitude for a little R&R.
Same level of believability, no?
Kind of like how Moore/MoveOn/Whoopie Goldberg didn't win Kerry any votes. But you guys will never learn, lucky for the Republicans
The Rethugs are spending 5% of Gross Domestic Product using credit. Deficits. About 15-16% of GDP was spent in Bush's first term, and another 20-25% depending on how much they stole from the Social Security trust fund in the 2nd term.
Does anyone think that this reckless path will be curtailed if the Republicans win in 2008??
Nobody will be lucky if the economy is in the toilet. Luck will be a thing of the past. We can't sustain this, period.
Puppies posts some obvious crapn for anyone with a brain, and demands respect. Uh, no.
Stupid, ugly, widely disliked twat.
My sweet calico kitty of seven years was killed by a racoon. When they find food they become territorial. They will maul cats to death for food and night time territory.
I however carry on the battle! Hit me with your best shot, I'm twice the man puppets is and I don't even own any testicles!
Are you Anne Coulter?
Does anyone think that this reckless path will be curtailed if the Republicans win in 2008??
Nobody will be lucky if the economy is in the toilet. Luck will be a thing of the past. We can't sustain this, period.
Pitchforks and Torches | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 2:54 am | #
well, by your logic the Dems might take over right as everything turns to ka-ka!
You should tank this next election and let the Republicans reap what they sowed, in that case- hey I have an idea! Run Kerry again!
Ted
I believe there is actually scheduled bus service when the waters are parted. You could have save your feet a lot of hardship.
Good night, y'all. And thanks for the support!
Well nite folks, have a good Sunday.
I however carry on the battle! Hit me with your best shot, I'm twice the man puppets is and I don't even own any testicles!
Are you Anne Coulter?
Pitchforks and Torches | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 2:55 am | #
Ha, don't I wish! But this is enormously fun, I've had a ball arguing with you guys, but you should know, I'd be a freak if I were as much an absolutist as some of you are, I mean, just because I am admittedly a Republican doesn't mean I'm going to defend every Republican politician or every wing of the party and all its works, any more than each and every one of you can defend anarchists and communists and Hispanic separatists and every other facet of the Democrat party. You guys seem loathe to grant anything or you lose points or something. I don't feel diminished if I admit that I don't agree with 100% of the agenda of the right. I vote for the party that most reflects my thinking. FOr instance, I disagree with the censorship leanings of some parts of the Republican party. On the other hand, I don't own a gun and I'd never have one, adn I don't really care about gun rights. And I hate cigarettes and support any cig bans they want to make. So I'm a mixed bag. I do respect and support the President and think that the Iraq war was necessary and a good thing in the long run, and its kind of amazing its bearing fruit already in Lebanon and I suspect in Iran, Syria and elsewhere soon too. i think it will all happen quickly and unexpectedly like the fall of the Soviet Union.
Well I'm getting a little tired and I might go to bed, unless anyone else has anything to thrust at me
meatpuppet - Number one, I'm not your "dear".
Number two, you make an asinine inference about letting God sort out what are clearly crimes with victims who can demonstrate clear losses.
If someone murders someone else, he has stolen their life, however much remained of it. When someone steals someone else's property, he has stolen the fruits of their labor. When someone intentionally rapes or injures another person, he has clearly physically harmed them.
When a woman has a first trimester abortion, she is terminating a potential life, not a de facto one, since something like 1/3 to 2/3 of all conceptions spontaneously miscarry.
You can't demonstrate clear damages to a potential human being. You can only demonstrate clear damages to an actual human being, i.e., one that already lives and breathes.
Everything already IS ca-ca. We're in a useless war and it's sapping us, we've got the middle class losing good-paying jobs to Asia, and we're divided much worse than ever. Those in power are trying to destroy the Constitution as well. Subversion is hell.
unless anyone else has anything to thrust at me
(*sitting in back of the class, stifling Beavis-and-Butthead laugh*)
Heh-heh.
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Oh, so now you are arguing first trimester? So you are not an abortion absolutist? Well, we might actually find common ground somewhere in between, but it seems that pro and anti only believe in conception to birth policies.
I'm NOT an absolutist. I think the morning after pill or the RC-100 or whatever would be an acceptable comprimise. Of course there is a time when its only a bundle of cells. But in return, grant me that 2nd trimester is barbaric murder (have you seen sonograms? Don't tell me that's not a person)
Raccoons have opposable thumbs.
Please do not feed the trolls.
Puppets, I'm glad you're so smug. But you need to watch the movie Shindler's List and pay attention to the scene where the Nazi shoots the enslaved Jewish worker just because she wasn't working properly.
This is the kind of world Coulter wants to live in, this is what you support. I wish you could live it... on the slave side.
magnolia - Sorry about your kitty. Mine have always co-existed peacefully with the racoons by giving them wide berth. I have, however, seen cats and racoons dining peacefully side-by-side in dumpsters. Perhaps it depends on how adamant the cats are about defending the territory and the food. I do call her in when he shows up though, just in case. But like I said, she's certainly had lots of encounters with them already since they're all over the place around here.
Everything already IS ca-ca. We're in a useless war and it's sapping us, we've got the middle class losing good-paying jobs to Asia, and we're divided much worse than ever. Those in power are trying to destroy the Constitution as well. Subversion is hell.
Pitchforks and Torches | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 3:02 am | #
All wars are 'useless' but some are necessary. I think this war is going to be the catalyst to change the Middle East and Arab countries and sow the seed of democracy there. None of you mention Afghanistan much, but by and large its a success. WWII sapped us too, but it served the greater good. Come on, look this week more mass graves unearthed. Do you not think Arabs deserve democracy? Do you not think Saddam was dangerous and a brutal murderer? The Iraqis, even though worse off in the short run, are better off being free.
Blacks in America went through TERRIBLE times for over 100 years after slavery, but does that mean the Civil War was not worth it and they would be better off enslaved? Hey, they were comfortable, they had jobs and a roor over their heads, right? But freedom has a price, and sometimes the price is blood. They seem content to pay it, our soldiers on the scene are content we are winning decisively.
I trust them, I respect them, I support the war. Only a fool would wish for a war. But I support force where necessary, and thank God America has the overwhelming force in the world today.
Notice how those victimized and brainwashed by the Mighty Wurlitzer mindlessly parrot phrases like "Democrat Party," despite the fact that party's official name is the "Democratic Party."
You know, it's no accident that a religious cult notorious for its brainwashing techniques -- the Moonies -- is an integral cog in the Mighty Wurlitzer.
America needs some deprogrammers...badly.
You can't demonstrate clear damages to a potential human being. You can only demonstrate clear damages to an actual human being, i.e., one that already lives and breathes.
Well put point, Jennifer. Unfortunately, people in LaLa land (like puppets) can't see the distinction. You just can't debate with people who hold a clump of stem-cells otherwise known as a blastocyst as just as alive as a sentient self-aware human, simply because a string of text from four thousand years ago says so. Since believing in ridiculous fantasies is now unquestionable and unassailable, I hereby proclaim my belief that an ice cream shitting taco is the creator of the universe, and it commands me and all of us to ban the eating of both ice cream and tacos. This would include "puppets." Don't like that, "puppets"? Too bad. My beliefs say this is true.
Remember the pro-life motto: We care deeply for children...Right up until the moment they're born.
Puppets, I'm glad you're so smug. But you need to watch the movie Shindler's List and pay attention to the scene where the Nazi shoots the enslaved Jewish worker just because she wasn't working properly.
This is the kind of world Coulter wants to live in, this is what you support. I wish you could live it... on the slave side.
Pitchforks and Torches | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 3:07 am | #
Untrue PF
In fact, you and your ilk seem content with Saddam to still be in power, enslaving the Shia and Kurds and raping, murdering and mutilating at will while devastating his country. After unselfishily liberating it, we're rebuilding it, and I believe its in our interest to foment democracy in the Mid-East. It will have a domino effect as other citizens see Iraqis voting and enjoying freedom, and they will begin to throw off the tyrants: see Egypt, Lebanon, Iranian students (who are supporters of the US!) etc.
But in return, grant me that 2nd trimester is barbaric murder (have you seen sonograms? Don't tell me that's not a person)
Feeble intellect. Poor troll doesn't understand that the shape of a human isn't what makes something human. If the brain is so non-formed that it has less instinctual capability than an ant, it isn't a person. It's no more than a potential person, in fact little more of a potential person than a zygote.
After unselfishily liberating it, we're rebuilding it, and I believe its in our interest to foment democracy in the Mid-East.
Then why are we supporting Israel?
Well sorry Ted, but despite your obvious gift for ESP, you have misread my beliefs. As I have stated, I am not an absolutist and I have mixed feelings and unresolved opinions on first trimester. I would not oppose the morning after pill or the RD-100 (sic?) pill. I do oppose the dismemberment of a 2nd trimester plus infant, and especially late term abortions. Also, I am not a practicing member of any organized religion, so you are also tarring me with an inaccurate brush there, hun. You like to rail against the straw man (or girl) where he doesn't exist. Save your bile for Jerry Falwell. In fact, you hard core lefties might be shocked to know the majority of Republicans are not fundamental born again Christians. I was raised Catholic, for the record, although I am officially lapsed for about 3 years (since hs anyway)
As I have stated, I am not an absolutist
As you have demonstrated repeatedly, you most certainly are.
Clean sheets. (Don't tell the fucking trolls.)
What exactly has been rebuilt?
Not the water or sewer systems. Not the electrical grids. A whole lot of money has been spent, and most of the country has a few hours of electricity per day.
Our "unselfish" liberation involved Bushco giving away assets formerly owned by the Iraqi government, i.e. the Iraqi people, to American corporate interests.
We tortured at will at Abu Gharib, just as Saddam before us. Done in your name, meatpuppet. I know you're the type who's ok with barbarity committed in your name but I'm not ok with it.
Last but not least, this was no war to bring democracy to the Iraqi people, as Iranian spy and multi-million dollar embezzler and documented liar Ahmed Chalabi's continuing prominent position, with US support, in the Iraqi puppet government attests.
Oh, and also...as the bombshell British intelligence report makes clear. The war was about nothing more than Bushco's determination to take over an oil-rich country and use the warmongering as an election tool.
And hey, don't you love the way the tough-talking Bush caved to the terrorist's demands by taking the troops out of Saudi Arabia?
Feeble intellect. Poor troll doesn't understand that the shape of a human isn't what makes something human. If the brain is so non-formed that it has less instinctual capability than an ant, it isn't a person. It's no more than a potential person, in fact little more of a potential person than a zygote.
Ted | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 3:14 am | #
How do you know what an unborn baby thinks, or feels, or realizes? How do you pinpoint when it becomes a human? By your logic hitting a pregnant woman in the stomach and killing her unborn baby is simple assault, not murder.
Really, your absolutist positions and knee-jerk antithesis to anything the you mote the Republicans stand for smacks of fanaticism as bad as any Bible-thumping snake-handler. I thought you were supposed to be rational reality based people? You don't see any humanity in a sonogram of a baby clenching a human finger, or sucking its thumb, or even smiling or cooing? You don't feel any protectiveness or responsibility to help that helpless being? I certainly do. Do you really revel in the growing perception you are a member of the "party of death" that give human life, whether unborn, or flawed, or very old and ill, no value at all? You all seem to have plenty compassion for murderers condemned to die. Why not for innocent life?
All wars are 'useless' but some are necessary. I think this war is going to be the catalyst to change the Middle East and Arab countries and sow the seed of democracy there.
Beware the "great foreign policy visionaries," for their forebearers (Hitler, Mao, Napolean, the Romans, etc) have taught us all valuable lessons in humility before the unpredictable consequences of actions involving millions of people and countless different interests.
After unselfishily liberating it, we're rebuilding it, and I believe its in our interest to foment democracy in the Mid-East. It will have a domino effect as other citizens see Iraqis voting and enjoying freedom, and they will begin to throw off the tyrants: see Egypt, Lebanon, Iranian students (who are supporters of the US!) etc.
See above. And might I just add a chuckle at the word "unselfishisly" [sic]. I think our (at least) 11 permanent military installations in Iraq being contructed might prove to be quite useful for our interests (if you believe in empire, that is).
But I support force where necessary, and thank God America has the overwhelming force in the world today.
Until the entire developed planet unites to snuff us out to stop our marauding rogue actions. Thanks for contributing to that end.
And hey, don't you love the way the tough-talking Bush caved to the terrorist's demands by taking the troops out of Saudi Arabia?
I'm not exactly sure why you absolutists can't see that the Saudis are a democracy and our alley.
Liberal blindness never ceases to amaze me.
But y'all keep it up. I'm enjoying this.
Mothers are supposed to defend the life of their unborn, even with their lives. For women to kill a child as a means of birth control is disgusting and barbaric.
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Some women want to defend the lives of their born. They want medical care, food, shelter, great education, jobs, the opportunity to think independently. You want them to feel unentitled to these things?
Jennifer, hun, you are woefully uninformed. Its not surprising, you probably rely on U.S. newspapers or network news for your information. If I could suggest:
Chrenkoff: http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/20...aq-part-
24.html
Belmont Club: http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/
Mudville Gazette (a soldier just returned from Iraq)
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/a...ves/
002551.html
Iraq the Model (people who live there)
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
or any of these fine blogs (they are not all sunshine and light, they cover both sides:
http://www.roadofanation.com/blogs.htm
read these and learn, hun, things are improving, just as they did in Asia and Europe after WWII. Rome wasn't built ina day, but its getting better all the time. Its not news when things go well
Some women want to defend the lives of their born. They want medical care, food, shelter, great education, jobs, the opportunity to think independently. You want them to feel unentitled to these things?
I think the reason y'all liberals in the democrat party can't understand why it's more important to defend the unborn than the post born is the fact that y'all can't see that possibility is more important than reality.
Y'all can't see that an unborn baby can be anything. But a born person can't.
But keep it up. I'm not an absolutist like y'all and I'm enjoying this.
And hey, don't you love the way the tough-talking Bush caved to the terrorist's demands by taking the troops out of Saudi Arabia?
I'm not exactly sure why you absolutists can't see that the Saudis are a democracy and our alley.
Liberal blindness never ceases to amaze me.
But y'all keep it up. I'm enjoying this.
Puppets | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 3:24 am | #
hey, if you are going to pretend to be me, at least use spellcheck. I can spell "ally" for gosh sakes
Plus you don't capitalize 'puppets', he's a modest sort
another tip if you are going to impersonate me, I don't use the word "ya'll" which I'm sure you equate with some sort of slack-jawed yokel. I'm a Yankee originally, although I currently reside in the Southland.
Please do not pay attention to the name stealers who are probably liberals in the democrat party who are under the delusion that we conservatives are all fundamental christians with no intellectual thought.
They do not know the rules of debate and stoop to personal attack.
But please keep it up. I'm enjoying this.
Condescending pricks!
Well, whoever the cowardly person is who won't debate facts with me but instead is posting using the handle I've been using, you sir are without courage and afraid to either espouse or defend your own opinions, and have to resort to misstating mine and putting extremist words in my mouth. So, you have lost the argument apparently, and have resorted to lies and misrepresentations. Is this how liberals all operate, or are you a weak link?
I'm not your "hun" either.
We've been there 2 years now, and they still don't have electricity or running water most of the time. I'm not really interested in the feel-good stories of soldiers giving candies to Iraqi kids, and I don't watch TV news other than BBC on occasion. The local opinion journal calling itself a newspaper was cancelled several years ago.
Two years and the electricity and water still doesn't work. Oil production has slowed to a trickle.
So don't point to a few school buildings that have had a coat of paint slapped on them (poorly, if I recall from previous reports about Bechtel's sloppy but highly priced work) and tell me there's a rose garden growing out of my ass.
By your logic hitting a pregnant woman in the stomach and killing her unborn baby is simple assault, not murder.
Feeble intellect. The poor troll doesn't understand the distinction between a womam's dominion over her own body, and that of a third party who chooses to end her pregnancy without her consent.
How do you know what an unborn baby thinks, or feels, or realizes? How do you pinpoint when it becomes a human?
Fetuses don't "think" or "realize." They have almost no cortex. Far less, in fact, than Terri Schiavo had left. What they have is a template for brain creation, with only the rudimentary parts somewhat completed, not even enough to run the lungs properly. Human brains aren't even close to complete until a toddler is about 3 years of age.
Humans are the least mentally and neurologically developed of all mammals at birth precisely because our brains are eventually so relatively large that they have to begin far less developed to fit through the birth canal and not be destroyed. You could far more easily convince me that an unborn colt (already able to stand right out of the womb) is sufficiently capable of self-awareness to be considered viabally "alive."
Our "unselfish" liberation involved Bushco giving away assets formerly owned by the Iraqi government, i.e. the Iraqi people, to American corporate interests.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 05.01.05 - 3:23 am | #
I'd agree with those on the right (AND left) who scoff at the notion that Saddam & friends were 'holding' those major assets in the name of ordinary Iraqis. But I agree Bushco did their damnedest to give them to U.S. corporations, who, however, as Naomi Klein pointed out, were reluctant to take them, because of the well-established international law Bushco was ignoring, which said law might come back to bite said corporations in their fat asses.
But I see from another comment that you and I are arguing with someone who calls Saudi Arabia a democracy.
God what a spectacular waste of our breath.
Remember the pro-life motto: We care deeply for children...Right up until the moment they're born.
That's 'cause they're innocent in the womb. Once they're born they are tainted by "original sin." Then, when they get a little older they start thinking about sex and stuff, and sometimes even having it. Which means they should just go straight to hell anyway, so fuck 'em.
The above is a name stealer who is not able to debate my intellectual thought with real facts and not opinionated opinions. That's why he accuses me of name stealing.
That proves that y'all is just demcrat liberals who believe we are absolutists and fundamental christians.
I do not stoop to such low levels of unintellectual debate, preferring instead to debate with my intellectual thought.
I am besting you with my ideas and you are resorting to the cowardly and base level of name stealing my name.
But I am enjoying this so ya'll keep it up.
Well, if that is you Jennifer I have lost all respect I did have for you, not-withstanding your name calling and angry attitude, I was enjoying debating you, but you seem to have run out of actual ideas or thoughts so now you post as "Puppets" spouting platitudes and ridiculous statements that in no way reflect my own feelings. Disappointing, I thought you liberals prided yourselves on intellectual thought and debate of reality based opinions. Disappointing indeed, but eye-opening.
I'm not exactly sure why you absolutists can't see that the Saudis are a democracy and our alley.
Saudi Arabia is a "democracy." Do we really need to hear more from this troll to demonstrate how ill-informed it is?
I guess for some "Murkans," like our troll here, democracy consisting only of voting for your local town mayor (male voters only please!), while have a tyrannical royal family hoarding trillions of dollars and beheading dissidents is "democracy."
Fine. Go live there. Hope you don't like to drink.
I am not going to continue to argue with name stealers who do not deal in real facts but instead deal in biased opinions.
I am above such low levels of unintellectual discourse preferring instead to explore real ideas with my mind and not my opinions.
But I am in fact enjoying watching y'all democrat liberals who can not debate facts properly with reality.
Keep it up.
is the fact that y'all can't see that possibility is more important than reality.
At least they admit that reality isn't so important to them.
Well its quite easy to see which is the 'real' inheritor of puppets screenname, because you sir, are an illiterate who can neither spell nor compose a grammatically correct or coherant sentence. Besides the fact you are sloppy enough to mistype my screenname.
So I carry on, secure in the thought I am still u