I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist. Wankers.
Forest.
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Oh, but for the trees!
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gump
... and thanks, Eli, for the purchase. 
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I hope you're happy George.
Well, I kinda had to now, din't I?
Was really just a matter of when...
How depressing. And typical of the reign of the American version of Louis the XVI.
The real horror is to come; VA hospitals are already overburdened...NOW had a good piece about that Friday night. The recently walking wounded are already out walking our streets, feeling ignored, betrayed, and helpless. Soon, their numbers will increase tenfold. A hundred-fold. War drives people out of their freaking minds...haven't we learned anything?
FUCK CHENEYRUMSFELDRICEBUSHPERLE!!!!
What percentage BushCo's Mental disability?
I've been hearing that better body armor is causing the wounded to come back alive rather than dead but with permanent injury like this. Their torsos are protected from blasts but concussions still damage their brains...
Theonly answer to these problems:
More tax cuts
and
Accept Jesus.
Now shut the fuk up.
Move on, nothing more to see here.
So, WHO is it that supports our troops???
THEY support them when they are killing brown people.
WE support them from enlistment to retirement, or as much as we are allowed to support them by the party of personal responsibility.
The soldiers knew the gig when they volunteered, right?
this is a good place to repost a segment of seymour hersh's democracy now interview. we can't even begin to comprehend the horrors that these soldiers are left to live with:
"And then, later the mother calls me back, and we became friends. This happens a lot to people in my business. You get to like people. And she says, you know, one thing I didn't tell you that you have to know about the young woman, when she came back, every weekend, she would go and get herself tattooed, and eventually, she said, she was filling her body with large, black tattoos, and eventually, they filled up every portion of her skin, was tattooed, at least all the portions you could see, and there was no reason to make assumptions about the other portions. She was tattooed completely. It was as if, the mother said, she wanted to change her skin."
Just like the last war in Iraq, these people are just so many spent shell-casings to Bushco.
Are you surprised?
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Well, this is a sickening thing to read on a beautiful Saturday afternoon. Should email...someone. Who? Should do something...what? Damn them, damn those damn Bushies.
bkny, I remember that bit from Hersh's article. It sends cold shivers up my spine.
Eli: Well, I kinda had to now, din't I?
Was really just a matter of when...
Hey, maybe I should put audio clips in later versions, giving a shout-out to all the non-customer homies... 
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Oh, stop your whining, fellow liberal hand-wringers. Put a yellow ribbon magnet on your SUV & everything will be OK.
This is 2005.
Words speak louder than actions.
And magnetic symbols speak loudest of all.
P.S. Support Our Troops!
You've got to stop the bullet,
It's a soldier's job they say,
so then you stop the bullet,
and then they stop your pay!
Echidne -- i know what you mean. the first time i heard the story of the female soldier who had fondled her breasts, stuck her fingers down her pants, and wiped menstrual(presumably simulated) blood on the prisoner she was interrogating, i just wonder what she must think about as she lay in bed at night.
So, WHO is it that supports our troops???
THEY support them when they are killing brown people.
WE support them from enlistment to retirement, or as much as we are allowed to support them by the party of personal responsibility.
Yeah, the Republicans are pro-troops in much the same way that they're pro-life:
*very* selectively.
There is much more to this story. Those VA ratings are usually very generous, and the law places the burden on the Army to show the condition is NOT what is claimed. It's a sad story, but there's a piece missing. Trust me on that. A 30 percent disability rating for the condition described would be minimal. I hope someone will follow up on this.
I read a speech Sy Hersh gave recently - someone linked to it in comments - and it was so damned sad.
He told a story about how after My Lai, when he was investigating it, he went to see one of the soldiers who had been there. The guy's mother met Hersh outside the house and said to him: "I want you to understand one thing: I gave the military a good boy and they gave me back a murderer."
Hersh went on to talk about having gone to see one of soldiers who had been a guard at Abu Ghraib. He talked to the woman's mother first. The woman came back from Iraq so depressed that she left home and her fiance and her town and went to a small town where she has a menial job and is basically trying to hide from the world and herself.
So this is what thanks of a grateful nation is.
Karen, it's really more about protecting society from very angry, very compartmentalized, very confused, well-trained efficient killers.
Whatever help they need, we should give to them. It's in our own best interest.
Another ruined generation - that's what we'll be getting back from the ME.
And the military lies and lies and lies about what they've been exposed to. A soldier from Texas came back from Afghanistan with Creutzfeld-Jacob - mad cow disease.
The army dishonorably dishcharged him for discipline problems when the fact of the matter was that his brain already was full of holes. His family had to fight to get his record cleared.
You know, it's one thing to send our children and loved ones off to war to protect and defend American. It's altogether another thing to treat them like this administration does while they are there - inadequately equipped - and when they come home, damaged. There's just no excuse for this,
WTFWJD
It's real patriotic to put that magnetic ribbon on your computer.
(right next to the hard drive)
I think poor Richard should run for office as a democrat.
We could pull a "Max" on him. We love making and destroying cripples
SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!
fuckers.
i saw today that the Army is now trying 15 month enlistments to get more warm bodies in uniform. Seems to me that:
1- They are really hoping that thousands of young fools forget all about that pesky "stop loss" thingy that makes the actual period you sign up for moot.
2- They are hereby renting a sort of soft, gooey body armor for the "real" soldiers.
The party of personal responsibility.
The party of no accountability.
This is too depressing.
15 months, 15 years. Who in his/her right mind are going to sign up now? I don't think this is going to work for them.
It's real patriotic to put that magnetic ribbon on your computer.
(right next to the hard drive)
It takes a surprisingly strong magnet to damage a hard drive. I know; i've tried.
i also used to but firecrackers in various places to see what they would do.
But never animals; i was not a young Republican.
Please ignore the close proximity of the words "firecracker" and "but" in my last post. It was a typo.
i also used to put firecrackers in various places to see what they would do.
For those of us who grew up on military bases outside of town, that amounted to a friday night out. A good time, though.
A good friend of mine is a Desert Storm vet, a marine 2nf Lieutenant who was on the 'Highway to Hell.' He says there are only 3 members of his unit are still alive, and all are sick. He was diagnosed with leukemia three years ago, and under VA cancer treatments until someone noticed that he didn't actually have leukemia, but instead had a low-grade parasitic infection, probably of Persian Gulf origin.
The treatment made him sicker. He was homeless for five month, and still suffers from paralyzing headaches. He's not much for Veteran's administration medicine, but has no choice.
We are not taking care of our fighting men, and the Republican congress should have this failure tied around their necks....
Well, as someone said here months ago, the VA is not to make the soldiers feel good, it's is to make the ppublic feel good.
Why are we not surprised? Perhaps it's due to the valant service to the country performed by George and his children, or perhaps, Lindbaugh, or Hannity, or Santorum et.al.
These bastards. When we protested the war, they called us all kinds of names, now that they 'got their war on', they want it perfectly sanitized. Don't expect any exposes on netowrk news. Don't expect any outrage from the NYT's Tierney or Brooks. No, just give me my tax cuts please. Here's a true story...
A friend of mine is an eye doctor and surgeon. He has a small practice and his wife is the office manger. She told me that one of their friends/colleagues (an eye surgeon, in his 50's) was sent to Iraq. he has called their office asking for any all eye medicine that they could find, to call their rep's for supplies because they don't even have enough eye drops over there. She said the drug companies supplied lots of stuff in the beginning, but now that it's going on so long, well hell, lets just forgot about it. Rumsfeld has woefully underarmed, supplied our troops. He and his entire crew should be in jail.
and with the military base closings, they're also closing down Walter Reed. Allegedly opening new hospitals in the suburbs and retrofitting Bethesda.
fucktards.
Can we now all agree that they are definitely conservative, but not compassionate in the least?
A soldier from Texas came back from Afghanistan with Creutzfeld-Jacob - mad cow disease.
Other this is an error, a bad bad coincidence, he was in Afghanistan a looooong time eating a diet rich in the brains of ill bovines, or this is some VERY bad new form of CJD. The usual incubation time is given in years.
It's disgusting. The whole administration should be beaten, impeached and jailed. But as D.K. said, there's much more to this story. Too bad all I can do about it is whine.
BTW, here's a link to NOW.
Harry Reid, who, just days after calling President Bush a "loser" in front of a group of students, did the previously unthinkable: he slandered a judicial nominee by referring to a "problem" disclosed in the nominee's confidential FBI file--without, of course, referring to what the "problem" might be. This is really breathtaking; did Joe McCarthy ever stray this far over the line? Not that I can recall.
What's that smell in here?
did Joe McCarthy ever stray this far over the line? Not that I can recall.
This is correct. He consistently stayed well over on the crazy side of it.
Harry McCarthy, what a silly loser you are. that smear was widely discredited 2 days ago. get a fresher script, troll.
Harry McCarthy, what a silly loser you are. that smear was widely discredited 2 days ago. get a fresher script, troll.
Sometimes Google doesn't yield the freshest results for cutting & pasting.
Desert Oven just seems to get hotter,
For those who return from the slaughter;
Their pain they believe,
Chimp will gladly relieve,
But that's not how he treats cannon fodder.
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Go Harry Reid! Keep calling Bush what he is - a loser.
We loves you for it, Harry. You and Howard Dean both.
We like the language, we like the fight and the Repugs and the media can go fuck themselves, as Cheney so eloquently remarked to Patrick Leahy on the record.
Time for every single Democrat in Congress to stand up and tell Bush he is a Loser and a Dickhead. Soonest - please.
Well, as someone said here months ago, the VA is not to make the soldiers feel good, it's is to make the ppublic feel good.
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It was not always thus. My dad was a CO during WWII (Quaker) and did alternative service. He was ill for quite awhile, and the private insurance ran out. The VA looked for ways to cover him, and he wound up getting very, very good care. Of course, this was back in the seventies before the conservatoids started with their smaller government crap. And there's the rub. Just as younger women don't remember what is was like before the pill and Roe, younger people really don't remember when government was considered a part of the solution. After all, we are only as strong as our weakest link (hackneyed, I know, sue me). When we are all banded together we suppport that weak link and not so much pressure is put on it. Kind of like quilting. Look what we have now with everybody is looking out for number one. Health care in tatters. Prisons full to overflowing. Educational system worth shit. Infrastructure crumbling. To say nothing of wingnuts who want to control my body admitting to fucking mules.
bastards
What a depressing post. I don't think even seeing a magnetic ribbon on someone's SUV will cheer me up now.
Harry Reid, who, just days after calling President Bush a "loser" in front of a group of student
Truth hurts, doesn't it, halfwit?
LEWWWW-ZUR
Both you and Georgie-Peorgie.
Oh, Harry MaCarthy, go be a good boy and enlist to be cannon fodder in your loser's war.
I guess it would be bad manners for those of us who opposed the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq as silly and senseless to say "told you so" to the canon fodder, whose friends and family were the most gung-ho of Chimpy's fan base.
I am enraged. I have personal experience recovering from a brain injury, so I know what it's like, the migraines, the inability to walk more than a few feet without collapsing, the short-term memory loss, etc. I'm mostly recovered, my brain injury was mild, but I am not the man I once was.
But when I read the bit about how he's considered less than 30% disabled, I blew my stack. A brain injury patient might be only 10% disabled, but that happens to be the 10% that runs the other 90% of your body. I know people like doctors who voluntarily gave up their licenses even with very mild brain injury disability, for fear that even a 1% disability (i.e. a memory loss) could prove fatal to a patient if it occurred at a crucial moment.
Brain injury called "the invisible disability." Apparently the Bush administration and the VA will hope their shabby treatment of these disabled veterans will not become visible enough to inspire outrage. Too late, I am outraged.
We loves you for it, Harry. You and Howard Dean both.
I'd like to hear a little more from Howard, actually. I think the last time I saw any quotes from him in the news was when he was saying we needed to rethink our approach on abortion...
I was real psyched about him as DNC chair, but unless he's whispering in Harry's ear, he's been a disappointment.
Jeez, I sound like a concerned troll or something...
bir-Thank you. Very eloquently written.
Harry McCarthy, what a silly loser you are. that smear was widely discredited 2 days ago. get a fresher script, troll.
Sometimes Google doesn't yield the freshest results for cutting & pasting.
How humiliating must it feel to learn that you're getting your wingnut smear alerts three days late. Wingnut Command must not see you as an A-List drone. You're at best in the Legion of Substitute Trolls. Just sad.
While Republicans nickle and dime our troops literally to death, they waste billions of dollars enriching Halliburton and on a missile defense system that doesn't work and would be of dubious value even if it did (not to mention the tax cuts for Paris Hilton). They are an obscenity.
Fuck, I'm looking forward to Harry Reid standing up and calling Bush a dickhead.
And I would be ever so grateful if the rest of the Dems in Congress would stand up and add their own comments to Reid's.
The troll is spamming the threads with this nonsense and doesn't realize that it doesn't bother most of us to have Harry Reid tell it like it is. He can go much further, AFAIC.
Harry Reid - try Liar. That one works really well. Say it with me - Liar. Use that L word next time, Reid.
It's so relaxing grazing with the eschaherd. No need to think critically, no need to think at all. Just chew the grass and move with the herd.
ql in ny -- just give 'em a tab of ecstasy and they'll be ok:
02/18/2005
Traumatized soldiers on Ecstasy.
Ecstasy trials for combat stress
David Adam, science correspondent
Thursday February 17, 2005
The Guardian:
American soldiers traumatised by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are to be offered the drug ecstasy to help free them of flashbacks and recurring nightmares.
The US food and drug administration has given the go-ahead for the soldiers to be included in an experiment to see if MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstasy, can treat post-traumatic stress disorder.
Scientists behind the trial in South Carolina think the feelings of emotional closeness reported by those taking the drug could help the soldiers talk about their experiences to therapists. Several victims of rape and sexual abuse with post-traumatic stress disorder, for whom existing treatments are ineffective, have been given MDMA since the research began last year.
Michael Mithoefer, the psychiatrist leading the trial, said: “It’s looking very promising. It’s too early to draw any conclusions but in these treatment-resistant people so far the results are encouraging.
“People are able to connect more deeply on an emotional level with the fact they are safe now.”
He is about to advertise for war veterans who fought in the last five years to join the study.
According to the US national centre for post-traumatic stress disorder, up to 30% of combat veterans suffer from the condition at some point in their lives.
And I was pissed before I got here.
At least Toby kieth is gonna be performing live for the troops (just heard on my teevee)
"That makes ME feel better". /tard
Has anyone mentioned this yet?
From Apian at Daily Kos:
Congressman John Conyers has sent a letter to Gonzales asking for a special prosecutor to investigate violations of the War Crimes Act in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.
from the letter:
Second, there is an obvious conflict of interest. A special counsel is necessary not only because high-ranking Administration officials, including Cabinet members, are implicated, but also because you personally, and the Department of Justice generally, may have participated in this conspiracy to violate the War Crimes Act. It has been confirmed that the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel, and you yourself as White House Counsel, encouraged the president to withhold Geneva Convention protections from Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay detainees. If the conflict of interest provisions in your regulations mean anything, it is that when the Attorney General may have contributed to the abuses that were committed, the Department of Justice has no business conducting the investigation and should instead turn to a special counsel.
The letter is signed by 50 members of Congress.
The letter is signed by 50 members of Congress.
Only 50?
"I guess it would be bad manners for those of us who opposed the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq as silly and senseless to say "told you so" to the canon fodder, whose friends and family were the most gung-ho of Chimpy's fan base."
--Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
I really don't think the "cannon fodder" knew what they were getting themselves into if they inlisted before the invasion of Iraq. They are having to do as they are ordered.
Ugh. This is too depressing.
Post this on the bulletin board of every high school in the country. Hey, kids? This is how Rumsfeld's *new* military takes care of its own.
inlisted = enlisted, damn it.
This is how Rumsfeld's *new* military takes care of its own.
It's like Bush budgetary policy in general: Waste lots of money on sexy crowd-pleasers that don't actually address the problems at hand, while nickel-and-diming anything that might actually aid the needy.
Bastards.
Something I wrote years ago.
Still relevant today.
Dammit!
the War Crimes Act has been violated, and only 51 members of Congress are asking for a Special Independent Prosecutor? Where are the rest of the Democrats?
Bush is indeed a Liar, but using the label War Criminal for him and his toadying minions seems much more accurate.
Remember when the oil was going to pay the entire cost. Maybe the war would run us $2-3Billion. Well, their asking for even more. This only, what a few weeks after the congress passed an emergency spending bill.
Fuckers. When will people start seeing a connection between the war in Iraq and our roads collapsing. Or the lack of health care. Or the shortfall in Social fucking Security.
When will people start seeing a connection between the war in Iraq and our roads collapsing. Or the lack of health care. Or the shortfall in Social fucking Security.
Not until the shortage of oil causes Hell to freeze over.
Of all the threads to get trolled, they have to pick one about returning wounded.
No respect for real sacrifice. None at all.
"Thanks" for showing us what cowardace looks like.
Yo Escaturd -
You're on the wrong board, dumbshit. The unthinking, brainless, cud-chewers are over at Little Goofy Fuckers.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
It's so relaxing grazing with the eschaherd. No need to think critically, no need to think at all. Just chew the grass and move with the herd.
see what happens when you call up the name of the Legion of Substitute Trolls.
hearing their mighty band of Powerline Assrocket MaxiMortals described thusly demands an instant retort, and Legionairre eschaherd is ready to answer the call.
"...shortage of oil causes Hell to freeze over."
--Eli
I don't know about hell freezing over, but I agree about the shortage of oil. Coming sooner than we expect.
Troll, what the fuck do you know about thinking critically? We were here thinking critically about the war before it began, and came to the conclusion it would be an awful clusterfuck?
Fucktard.
It's worse. All of our soldiers are going to have these problems from the depleted uranium they breathe over there.
See these stories.
Horror of USA's depleted Uranium http://www.vivelecanada.ca/
artic...050429121615724
Weapons of Self-Destruction http://www.vanityfair.com/commen...15roco04?
page=1
What Is Depleted Uranium? http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/...ws/
19news02.htm
A Scientific Perspective http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/...ws/
19news03.htm
A Military Perspective http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/...ws/
19news04.htm
A Survivor’s Perspective http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/...ws/
19news05.htm
In this article from USA Today, the repukes basically admit lying to get their programs passed.
Thomas gave no assurance that he'll be able to get what he wants. When witness Eugene Steuerle of the Urban Institute said members of Congress should be “honest” and raise the retirement age, Thomas said, “Being honest and getting enough votes are sometimes two different things. I'm trying to operate in that limited world.
What the hell is wrong with CBS News? You’re not going to believe their headline on a story about the Islamist riots in Uzbekistan: U.S. Ally Fires On Its People.
Because after all, that is the kind of thing that US allies do, isn’t it?
Lots of happy details in this news story:
Over the past 10 years, Waple has worked on 21 soldier disability cases. He won four. David Sheldon, a Washington lawyer, said the Army Physical Evaluation Board is the toughest one among all the service branches from which to get a fair hearing. "They have a boots-on-the-ground mentality," he said. "You are a soldier. You have to buck up and go on with your life."
Yeah, buck up. What's the matter with you?
The number of cases heard by the Army Physical Evaluation Board has increased steadily since 2001. The board heard more than 14,000s case last year - up about 5,000 from 2003. Officials said the increase is because of the war in Iraq and mobilization of thousands of reservists and National Guard soldiers.
And those numbers are going to continue to rise.
Christ.
"Cpl. Richard Twohig was injured in May 2003, a few weeks after major combat ended in Iraq. He was a team sergeant in the 1st Battalion of the 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment. He was thrown off a Bradley when it made a sharp turn. He was diagnosed with post-concussive syndrome with intractable headaches and a mood disorder with depressive symptoms."
I wondered why the newsobserver article failed to describe the nature of his injuries. Somehow I don't think body armor would have helped.
re the iraq supplemental -- remember the beating kerry took when he stated that the iraq pricetag was $200 billion (at that point, i believe it was $180b).
i remember very distinctly watching lou dobbs in his smug, piggy way berating kerry for exaggerating the costs.
"All of our soldiers are going to have these problems from the depleted uranium they breathe over there."
Whee, faith-based science. Remember folks, it's the evil "wingnuts" who are anti-science.
once again, whingey wingers, tell me about the moral values of this beloved leader of yours and his minions. Fuckin' Pigs!
Think I need to cheer myself up this evening and rent "Judgement at Nurenburg," imagining Rummy and Chimp and Cheney in the places of the Nazis...not too fucking hard.
Nighty nighty, and don't let the pusillaminous trools bite! (Which they do.)
Saddam spies 'offered to help Chirac get re-elected'
By Francis Harris in Washington, Henry Samuel in Paris and David Rennie in Brussels
(Filed: 14/05/2005)
Saddam Hussein's spies planned a wide-ranging scheme to bribe members of the French political elite in the run-up to the Anglo-American invasion, including an offer to help fund President Jacques Chirac's 2002 re-election campaign.
No, the Left isn't in bed with the world's worst criminals. Why would anyone think that?
What the hell is wrong with CBS News?
Nada, namestealer.
"Somehow I don't think body armor would have helped."
--hat
I don't think it would have either. But not being sent to Iraq might have.
That bid failed, according to Iraqi secret service papers seen by The Daily Telegraph, when Mr Chirac's aides allegedly said they did not need the cash.
pie | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 4:20 pm | #
Not me.
Hey, troll, got an actual link for that Saddam article?
interesting -- drudge is highlighting 2 stories on 'the power of nightmares'. it's playing at cannes tonight.
Excuse me fake pie, but do you really have to have all the photographs of Rummy shaking Saddam's hand in the 80's trotted out again?
And Bush is in bed with the head of Uzbekistan and the head of Pakistan, not to mention his best bud, Bandar of Saudi Arabia. Bush is also allied with the government in Darfur which is busy busy busy committing genocide in Sudan.
No, the Right isn't in bed with despots of the worst odor all over the planet. Not at all.
fake pie forgot to give you the next paragraph from the Telegraph story:
That bid failed, according to Iraqi secret service papers seen by The Daily Telegraph, when Mr Chirac's aides allegedly said they did not need the cash.
personally, I thibnk all the "good faith and credit" the Chinese Communist Party extended to George Bush is a much more telling story, as reported on B1 of yesterdays New York Times.
Iraqi secret service papers seen by The Daily Telegraph
The Daily Telegraph? Hahahahaha.
I got the link - I googled it, since I noticed that their excerpt didn't say anything about Chirac actually *accepting* any Iraqi money.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/
...xportaltop.html
Here's the link to the Conyers letter at Kos.
pathetic pie clone -- the daily telegraph? jesus, you are too stupid to live.
There is no hell hot enough for these people.
And my fellow americans make me furious- because they turn their eyes from these inconvenient truths.
Bastards. All of them.
but I'm sure fake pie doesn't really care that Hu Jintao has more direct power over the American economy than Alan Greenspan.
fake pie: desperate to move up and out of the ranks of the Legion of Substitute Trolls.
Excuse me?
I thought these people just disappeared off the face of the earth after they came home! I mean, that's what all the MSM outlets say, isn't it?
I am a disabled Vietnam Vet (friendly fire) and suffer from PTSD. I find myself now trapped between two Nightmares. The one I have when I sleep, the other one when I wake up!
No wonder so many of us turn to the pistol under our bed! Don't fret about me though, I'm heavily sedated and waiting for the next post.
Whee, faith-based science. Remember folks, it's the evil "wingnuts" who are anti-science.
Gee hat. Since depleted uranium is so safe, why don't you get your pasty ass over to iraq?
Prove us wrong, why don't you. And better yet, you can help alleviate dear leader's recruiting problem at the same time!! A two-fer!!
Otherwise, shut the fuck up, you odious excuse for a human being.
fake pie: desperate to move up and out of the ranks of the Legion of Substitute Trolls.
Mrs. Ibrahim, I bow in your general direction. That was very well done.
According to the series of Iraqi intelligence service memorandums uncovered by investigators working for the energy committee of the US House of Representatives, the Iraqis identified a group of politicians and businessmen close to Mr Chirac.
Manufactured hogwash. They have zero credibility.
When Nicholas Berg was decapitated and his death videotaped by Michael Moore’s Iraqi “Minutemen,” his father promptly blamed the President and went on a speaking tour for the Stalinist group International ANSWER.
But Berg’s sister appears to be made of stronger stuff, and in a letter to the Philadelphia Inquirer she puts the blame squarely where it belongs—on the “holy warriors” and on their enabling useful idiots in the media:
Some things are unforgivable. What Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his many accomplices did to my brother Nick is unforgivable. It was not an act of war; it was a cold-blooded, premeditated heinous crime. To call it anything else suggests that it is an acceptable act of war, an acceptable response to America’s military action. It is not.
The world would be a better place if al-Zarqawi was no longer in it. He is pure evil. I don’t think someone like him is capable of any human feeling anymore. The only way to keep people like him from harming thousands of other people is to eliminate them.
Before this happened, I did not comprehend the magnitude of his evil and of people like him. But to experience the heinousness of what he did to someone as good and as innocent as my brother has totally changed my perspective. I don’t know how to respond in a humane way to such inhumane acts. I don’t think a humane response is necessary.
What the media did to my family is also unforgivable. They made the worst week of my life infinitely worse. Decision-makers in the media need to make more humane decisions about what is a story and how they get it. Someone should have thought of a shocked, astounded and grieving family when they made those decisions. They spoke of their sympathy for us, but not once did they think the sympathetic thing to do would be to stop harassing us and allow us to grieve in peace.
Sara Berg
Virginia Beach, Va.
Only 50?
Eli | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 4:05 pm
Correction: Apian's diary said that Conyers will be sending this letter. He suggests that if you don't see your reps name on the letter to email him or her and ask them to sign on to it.
OT - but you've got to see this story about Frist!
OT: Bush Justice Dept. now parroting the Red State/Moonie Times line on Reid and "secret" FBI info.
Ooops! That's what happens when you live in a bubble, guys.
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Well Ms. Berg certainly had a mental breakdown, and who wouldn't, with what happened. She forgets, as her father did not, that her brother would not have been where he was if not for this administration's phony fucking war based on lies lies lies and more lies lies lies.
Lies killed her brother.
fake pie forgot to give you the next paragraph from the Telegraph story
That's because the trolls think we're as dumb as they are.
That's what makes them so much fun!
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The FBI sent Reid a written reprimand. Watch the fundies spin this. Ugh.
Fake Pie, are you a good Christian? If so, why do you break the commandment about not bearing false witness?
Lies killed her brother.
Tena
Yep, and they cut his head off too.
Unbelievable Leftist fuckwit apologia for murderers. You truly are too stupid to live, Tena.
Stoooooopid!
wes, read this. You'll feel better.
The fundies are lying pieces of shit and are always caught in their lies.
The FBI sent Reid a written reprimand. Watch the fundies spin this. Ugh.
wes | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 4:35 pm | #
This is so nothingberger. Reid should send the "reprimand" back with copies of Levin, Stabenow, and Hurt's articles.
Only the trolls will fall for this one.
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Lies killed her brother.
Tena
Yep, and they cut his head off too.
He runs! He hides! Wheeeee!
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Hey, Phil, how do you know who killed Berg? Were you there? Did you see the faces of the murderers?
Yesterday morning someone posted that he had woken up in a good mood, and why not. It was spring, payday and Friday. Hey can't get much better than that. Then he came here and saw posts from me, DWD and someone else, and his good mood evaporated. I felt kinda bad about that, and spent a fair portion of my free time yesterday thinking if maybe it is time to lighten up. But if we don't document the attrocities, who will. We really can't just pretend this obscenity isn't happening. We are absolutely under assault. We now know what happens when the inmates run the asylum.
Phil = unbelievable Rightist fuckwit apologia for Bush.
Asshole.
well, besides Bush's lies, the other thing that killed Nick Berg was the lyiang liars who supported his criminal fantasies. So we can also lay the blame for Berg's death at the doorstep of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, etc.
Why Dick Cheney killed Nick Berg is one of those questions only History will be able to answer.
Phil = unbelievable Rightist fuckwit apologia for Bush.
Asshole.
pie | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 4:43 pm | #
Yes, but that one murder was of a white man, don't you get it?
All those thousands of brown bodies don't matter to our trolls from Crackerstan.
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Hey, Phil, how do you know who killed Berg? Were you there? Did you see the faces of the murderers?
pie
pie, I feel sorry for you. You would be funny if you weren't so pitiful.
That last slice of bull shit from fake pie could only be bought by the lowest bottom feeding moonie/little green fucktard in the septic tank.
Yeah, sure bet Chirac was terrified his stance against the invasion would cost him amongst a populace solidly against the war.
And we can add, Iraqi intelligence, hahahahaha. Even more politically co-opted -- and not coincidently -- ineffectual than ours.
Thanks real pie, that was a good link.
We've all stepped over Vietnam vets sleeping on the sidewalk, or in the doorway. Everyone knew what to expectthis time. Those who favored this excellent military adventure were willng to accept this outcome from the start, regardless of WMDs, democracy, the Baath party or Freedom Fries.
Speaking of trolls and their laughable gullibility, The Sting is on TCM.
How appropriate.
I'm off to the market to lay in supplies of much needed junk food for tonight's Live Mummyblogging.
Diet Coke for the caffiene, chips and dip, maybe even cookies.
I'm actually considering reviving my ancient Mac PowerBook 165c so I can Mummyblog from the comfort of my couch, feet up, and looking directly at my TV.
And who says that that the internets isolates people!
Yeah, sure bet Chirac was terrified his stance against the invasion would cost him amongst a populace solidly against the war.
And we can add, Iraqi intelligence, hahahahaha. Even more politically co-opted -- and not coincidently -- ineffectual than ours.
Remember when "the French" were supposed to have given the Bad Guys French passports?
In what darkest corner of the trailer park did that one go over?
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Phil, take your pity and stick it where the sun don't shine.
You're pathetic.
well, besides Bush's lies, the other thing that killed Nick Berg was the lyiang liars who supported his criminal fantasies. So we can also lay the blame for Berg's death at the doorstep of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, etc.
Why Dick Cheney killed Nick Berg is one of those questions only History will be able to answer.
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She aims. She shoots. She scores. We gotta winner here folks.
Judging by how nobody thought the chimpster was important enough to notify that the country was under attack, I would say these guys deserve most of the blame. Obviously, w is nothing but a tool.
they're also closing down Walter Reed
Too close to the media.
Not that our media has noticed the thousands whose lives are permanently altered.
I'll say it again: if religion is the opiate of the people, this media is surelythe carbon dioxide.
These trolls are sorry sacks of crap. Can't publish lies under their own names...
I know an Army Doctor who treated a lot of these injuries in Iraq, and trust me, the wounded aren't the only people traumatized by the injuries. In past wars, a soldier nearby an explosion was almost sure to die, but with today's body armor and fast medical treatment, they can often survive. Surviving is good, but the injuries sustained can be exceedingly gruesome.
Judging by how nobody thought the chimpster was important enough to notify that the country was under attack...
Once again, Bush has proved to be the dispensable man.
First The Pet Goat, now this. We really don't need him for much, do we?
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I've never known who actually killed Berg. It's never been settled who those hooded people were.
The setting looked very much like Abu Ghraib, as someone pointed out long ago. I don't generally ascribe to conspiracy theories but as far as I know, there's never been a definitive final answer on that one.
This is sorta weird, the poster above is right. He's at 30 percent? My old man's a Nam vet, and he got part of his left leg blown off by a claymore (wiped out his entire tank platoon, too), and he was 25%. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if the military beauracracy played with the numbers. After all, a soldier who can't be sent to fight is no good to the government.
Just a public service announcement folks...
Please don't feed the trolls.
They aren't worth your time.
I didn't know the media killed Berg. Also, what do you mean by Stalinist? Believing in a centralized Communist government with collectivism, propaganda, and the glorifiction of the leader?
This reminds me of the treatment the VA gave to the returnees from Viet Nam who were suffering myriad illinesses. Agent Orange problems were ignored for years. My husband was diagnosed with lung cancer brought about by the exposure to Agent Orange in 1996. It was originally missed for about 3 years because the tumor was masked by asbestos which coated his lungs.
When the VA was first contacted, they denied his claim. Thru friends who had gone thru this problem before, we then contacted the VFW, our wonderful congressman (Evans, D-IL 17) and the local VA case worker. With this 3-pronged attack, in less than 4 months he began collecting VA benefits at 100% service-connected. He had been given 1-3 years and lived 2 yrs & 11 mos from diagnosis to death without having to worry about financial hardship.
Every time we went to the VA for his checkups, we encountered vets from Viet Nam & the Gulf War with problems stemming from their services. Almost all of them were denied benefits upon initially filing. Those who followed up though usually had some or a lot of success in getting their benefits. Unfortunately, many failed to follow up. I firmly believe the government sets the system up this way to save money, knowing that the majority will just shrug their shoulders and move on after being denied. Its a dirty rotten crying shame!!!!!!!!!!!!
hey, what about the magnets? aren't they helping?
fuck'n americans, shallow, stupid assholes.
imagine that, dead and wounded in a war. which wouldn't be so bad if the goddamned thing was actually doing anything to protect us from terrorism. gas on a fire, what would you expect from a bush?
Remember when "the French" were supposed to have given the Bad Guys French passports?
In what darkest corner of the trailer park did that one go over?
You know what pisses me off? I can hardly find decent french wine anymore at my local grocery store. They don't carry much anymore because the rubes won't buy anything "frenchified".
Feh. A pox on all of them.
The U.S. military has a looooong history of doing this sort of thing to its personnel.
And they just can't figure out why people don't want to join up these days! (/snark)
Also, what do you mean by Stalinist? Believing in a centralized Communist government with collectivism, propaganda, and the glorifiction of the leader?
Hysterical Woman
thank you for picking that one up; I was hoping someone would.
Who killed Berg?
White chairs like Abu Ghraib, indeed. Same paint. Hairy arms- with blonde hair on one of the "terrorists".
Death squads are an old tactic of Black Spot's.
He even brought in some private contractors he'd worked with before to help.
If not Berg- then many others.
Staff Sgt. Samuel T. Castle, the father of a one year old boy, was killed in Iraq on Wednesday. Castle's wife will be flying home from Iraq to attend the May 21 funeral.
Frickin' unbelievable.
If the administration's plan is carried out, the number of American troops in Iraq would be reduced from more than 130,000 soldiers and Marines to 30,000 or fewer by this fall [September, 2003].
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the poor bastard...
if he'd just have had the foresight to have a couple of pieces shot off, or been blinded, then he'd have gotten his 30%...
problem with his injuries is that they're too easily faked...the military command is shot through with lifers whose life work it is to spot a malingerer...NOBODY gets a free ride on THEIR watch...
So it's tough shit for poor Cpl Twohig! too bad he wsn't REALLY injured...
I'm off to the market to lay in supplies of much needed junk food for tonight's Live Mummyblogging.
I just checked out the listing for that film.
It's not even rated with stars. I think I'm frightened at how bad the film is actually gonna be.
The good news is that Army of Darkness is on right afterward.
kyork,
I think you're right about the system being set up to discourage vets from using it. A whole lot of vets I've known have told the same story - especially Nam vets, who rarely seem to want to dwell on the issue much - and actually, my old man's story with the VA sort of gives it proof via an exception to the rule. Both my parents have wills of steel and both are the type that when they decide something's gonna get taken care of, it by God gets taken care of. Plus, my dad's laid-back, calm and easy-going, while my mother has the personal prescence of a rather chatty tornado that carries pictures of it's nieces and nephews.
My parent's health care is completely covered by the VA. He's now rated at 100% disabled (mainly because his respiratory problems were caused by Agent Orange, which also played hell with his diabetes), so they get taken care of, which is definately to the VA's credit. The folks that work there are good folks, cause you definately don't do that sort of doctorin' to make the big bucks.
Unfortunately, it's a government program that, for one, actually helps people who really need help and, for another, isn't making someone a shit-ton of money in the process. So, of course, our elected officials cut funds to it fairly quickly when crunch-time comes. They need another cost-of-living pay raise and their buddies need more tax breaks, after all.
Some of these thread trolls likely work for private contractors to the D.o'D.
Or directly for the FBI.
Or maybe both.
Hey, FBI trolls, how do you like the fact the private contractor trolls are making over $100,000/ year.
But you know exactly how much they're making, don't you?
And it's a worm in your undercover belly, isn't it? That and the knowledge of what's really going on...
And you freeper trolls- how do you like the fact they're entering your address in their database now, too, for posting here?
Live Mummyblogging<
I'll tell you about my mummy.
Leon
Surviving is good, but the injuries sustained can be exceedingly gruesome.
Johnny - 4:52 pm
Read/see Dalton Trumbo's "Johnny Got His Gun"
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Gulf war 1 was a walk in the park compared to Gulf war 2. And yet Timothy McVeigh was from gulf war 1. So was the Washington sniper.
I can only imagine the damage that is going to be done by 150,000 returning soldiers, many of whom are completely fucked up.
But never mind, The Chimp will be sitting on his rocker on his front porch telling his grandchildren what a great President he was.
weldon burger - regarding that link, there's something that has been driving me crazy lately and that's that the military sends both parents of infants and small children to Iraq, to combat.
I know all the arguments about women in the military, but this is just wrong. The government should not be sending both parents of children into war together.
I don't care that it's a volunteer army. This should be policy. I'm appalled that it isn't and nothing ever gets said about it. This is just not right.
You know what pisses me off? I can hardly find decent french wine anymore at my local grocery store.
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Now that's carrying democracy too far. Sorry just couldn't resist. This is such a sad thread. I do understand what you mean about displaced anger and all.
does anybody know the email contact for jonah the doughboy:
May 13, 2005, 10:05PM
Texas soldier dies after explosion in Iraq
Associated Press
RESOURCES
Current time in Baghdad: 1:03 a.m. Sunday
HUGHES SPRINGS — A 26-year-old soldier from northeast Texas who was serving a second tour in Iraq was killed in an explosion this week.
Staff Sgt. Samuel T. Castle of Naples died Wednesday from injuries suffered from an improvised explosive device in Al Asad, the Department of Defense said Friday. He was assigned to the Army's 327th Signal Battalion, 35th Signal Brigade, Fort Bragg, N.C.
...Della Castle Payne, 44, of Hughes Springs, said that she last heard from her son on Mother's Day by phone and e-mail.
"He was pretty upbeat," she said tonight. "He said, 'Mama don't worry about me. I'm coming home. I'm coming home.' But we never thought he'd be coming home this way."
...Both Samuel Castle and his wife, Nicole, a soldier in the 51st Signal Battalion, were sent to Iraq at the end of November, leaving their 1-year-old son, also named Samuel, with her parents. The soldier also has a 6-year-old daughter, Mia, who lives in Dallas, Payne said.
Payne said the funeral is expected to be May 21, but they have not yet set a time. She said the soldier's wife and his 19-year-old brother — who followed him into the military and is also serving in Iraq — would be coming to Texas for the funeral.
Tena ...
Yeah, it's appalling and heartbreaking and just generally insane. I wonder if the mom will have to return to her unit after the funeral leave.
I can only imagine the damage that is going to be done by 150,000 returning soldiers, many of whom are completely fucked up.
oh that so nails it on the head. we've only begun to see the needle and the damage done. but you know "what's the difference?"
hi on war. did i mention, stupid, shallow, fuck'n americans?
don't forget some of those completely fucked up soldiers are gonna be cops, patrolling your streets, with a gun. i don't care i live in a state where i'm permitted to shoot if i feel threatened, and i have always felt threatened by cops.
every cop's a criminal, and all the sinners, saints.
"Support the troops"????
Tell that to the scumbuckets in power who use them and throw them away like used Kleenex once they've served their purpose....whatever the hell that was!
Apparently, this asshole subscribes to the James Dobson school of discipline:
"WINTHROP HARBOR, Ill. - Krystal Tobias loved to pick dandelions with friends and was excited to learn how to fish - until she screamed at the sight of the worms, mourners recalled Saturday at the funeral for the second-grader killed with her best friend last week.
The Rev. Michael Brown urged the more than 300 family, friends and neighbors gathered at a small Baptist church to focus on helping one another cope with the girls' deaths rather than venting their anger.
"We're not here to condemn. We're not here to judge. We're not here to criticize," he said. "We're here to help."
Tobias, 9, and Laura Hobbs, 8, were found stabbed to death early Monday in a park near their homes in Zion. Authorities on Tuesday charged Hobbs' father, 34-year-old Jerry Hobbs, with first-degree murder in the slayings, saying he confessed to beating and stabbing the children on Mother's Day.
Prosecutors said Hobbs told them he became angry because his daughter refused to obey his order to leave the park and return home. He attacked Tobias when she came to the defense of her friend, prosecutors said."
"He was pretty upbeat," she said tonight. "He said, 'Mama don't worry about me. I'm coming home. I'm coming home.' But we never thought he'd be coming home this way."
bob dylan
John Brown went off to war to fight on a foreign shore.
His mama sure was proud of him!
He stood straight and tall in his uniform and all.
His mama's face broke out all in a grin.
"Oh son, you look so fine, I'm glad you're a son of mine,
You make me proud to know you hold a gun.
Do what the captain says, lots of medals you will get,
And we'll put them on the wall when you come home."
As that old train pulled out, John's ma began to shout,
Tellin' ev'ryone in the neighborhood:
"That's my son that's about to go, he's a soldier now, you know."
She made well sure her neighbors understood.
She got a letter once in a while and her face broke into a smile
As she showed them to the people from next door.
And she bragged about her son with his uniform and gun,
And these things you called a good old-fashioned war.
Oh! Good old-fashioned war!
Then the letters ceased to come, for a long time they did not come.
They ceased to come for about ten months or more.
Then a letter finally came saying, "Go down and meet the train.
Your son's a-coming home from the war."
She smiled and went right down, she looked everywhere around
But she could not see her soldier son in sight.
But as all the people passed, she saw her son at last,
When she did she could hardly believe her eyes.
Oh his face was all shot up and his hand was all blown off
And he wore a metal brace around his waist.
He whispered kind of slow, in a voice she did not know,
While she couldn't even recognize his face!
Oh! Lord! Not even recognize his face.
"Oh tell me, my darling son, pray tell me what they done.
How is it you come to be this way?"
He tried his best to talk but his mouth could hardly move
And the mother had to turn her face away.
"Don't you remember, Ma, when I went off to war
You thought it was the best thing I could do?
I was on the battleground, you were home . . . acting proud.
You wasn't there standing in my shoes."
"Oh, and I thought when I was there, God, what am I doing here?
I'm a-tryin' to kill somebody or die tryin'.
But the thing that scared me most was when my enemy came close
And I saw that his face looked just like mine."
Oh! Lord! Just like mine!
"And I couldn't help but think, through the thunder rolling and stink,
That I was just a puppet in a play.
And through the roar and smoke, this string is finally broke,
And a cannon ball blew my eyes away."
As he turned away to walk, his Ma was still in shock
At seein' the metal brace that helped him stand.
But as he turned to go, he called his mother close
And he dropped his medals down into her hand.
did i mention ....
Oh, stop your whining, fellow liberal hand-wringers. Put a yellow ribbon magnet on your SUV & everything will be OK.
You mean those fucking ugly ribbon magnets THAT ARE MADE IN CHINA!
Backslider. Just make sure if anything happens to your dad your mom files immediately for benefits. If he should die before her, she is eligible for 1/2 the monthly amount of his current benefits. This sustained me until I was eligible to file for SS benefits 2 years after my husband's death. Now with these 2 incomes I am living at the rate my husband was able to support our family at while he was working.
What really bugs me is that there are so few people who really personally know the hidden effects of war on the human psyche. That is where I think the Iraq war reminds me so much of the trauma suffered by the Viet Nam returnees. They have seen and done things that will remain with them for the rest of their lives, even with all the help they can get. It is the tragedy of war and not understood by almost all of our politicians!
Tena ...
Yeah, it's appalling and heartbreaking and just generally insane. I wonder if the mom will have to return to her unit after the funeral leave.
Not that I'm unsympathetic to the man's suffering, but he knew what he was getting into when he signed his life away on the dotted line.
I can see that the man was injured in what some could say was a non-'directly' combat related injury. Although I may be incorrect in my interpretation. This could be tainting the impression those on the review boards have of his case.
But again, he knew what he was signing up for. More importantly, many of those who rushed off to Afghanistan and Iraq did so on some half-assed, foolish notion that they were fighting evil and the terrorists responsible for 9/11. I would love to know if Mr. Twohig believed that Saddam was responsible for 9/11 or was colaborating with Osama like so many of those who went over seemed more than willing to believe.
If it hadn't been for vietnam we would never know what a quagmire is.
If it hadn't been for Nagasaki and Hiroshima we would never know what the destruction and misery of a post-atomic war looked like.
Without Gulf War 1 we would never know about the various gulf war syndromes and other mysterious illnesses that result from the various methods of modern warfare such as depleted uranium tank shells.
And without this obvious case of soldier mistreatment we would never be aware of the desires of our beloved christian government's to treat our sons & daughters, fathers & mothers, brothers & sisters as cannonfodder who are expendible; merely tools used to enrich our nation's connected corporations.
And without this war and the results of it those kids now graduating from highschool whose fathers and mothers voted for Bush, would probably be enlisting and running off on their fool crusade.
To which we now know is not the case.
So perhaps we should look at the silver lining; the brighter side of this trajedy.
Knowledge and wisdom so seldom come to us without pain. That and recognizing that until that time we had been stupid fools.
I am greatful for this quagmire and the suffering these people are now experiencing if for no other reason than to teach us yet again, this same valuable lesson America continuously seems to forget.
MYOB'
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They don't carry much anymore because the rubes won't buy anything "frenchified".
Feh. A pox on all of them.
four legs good | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 4:59 pm | #
Darwin at work. A myocardial infarction on both their double-wides.
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kyork,
No kiddin'. My old man's just now got to where he can deal with Vietnam, I think. For years and years, he had absolutely nothing to do with anything concerning it or the Marines. These days, despite his rapidly failing health, he's working with the Moving Wall, talking to young Marines in the academy via email, going to Corps reunions, the whole nine yards. His health has always been shaky (after Nam, he was caught in a major industrial accident that killed 250 people and left him horribly scarred), but it's gotten much worse lately. He can't be as active as he used to be - used to work on cars, go hunting and fishing, do carpentry, etc., though his health was too bad for him to work a regular job - so it kinda helps fill the void. It's also nice to see him dealing with what, in retrospect, partly caused a lot of personal problems after the war. I won't go into details, but I probably don't have to.
On the flipside, my grandfather served in the Navy during WWII. He never saw action, though; instead, he was a radio instructor stationed on battleships in the Pacific. His respiratory system is completely screwed up and it's been traced back to paint and abestos on said ships. He gets dick from the VA.
I'm a pacifist by nature and well-read enough to know that, as a general rule, them fighting the war aren't the ones who'll benefit the most from it. However, it's partly how the military treated my old man and my pappaw that kept me out of the military. Neither me or my brother served, and we're the first males in my dad's family who didn't. Some folks have thought the old man would be disappointed in us because of that. He ain't, though, believe you me.
I've never known who actually killed Berg. It's never been settled who those hooded people were.
It is, however, settled that a body would have to lie three days or more for the severed head not to bleed,
so the dubbed screams are just another part of the trailer park's fantasy world.
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What exactly are we doing in Iraq now?
What exactly are we doing in Iraq now?
Winning, like we always are.
MYOB,
We've had over 10,000 years of recorded human history, and we've gotten as far as bunker busters and depleted uranium. We still haven't figured out that them that call the loudest to fight the battles are generally them that stand to not lose anything by it. Almost a hundred thousand dead in Iraq, ours and theirs, and it's still okay since one guy is out of a job (which we put him in, more or less, in the first place). We've got dinaglings like Michael Medved complaining that Hollywood isn't doing more to give war, death and destruction for someone else's political gain a pretty shine.
I don't know if we've learned a damn thing apart from learning how to ignore unpleasentness (like a totally destroyed infrastructure and mass destruction) as long as it happens to someone else.
A little OT: In my work I have run into three veterans, each with different times and types of service. All three are brain-damaged from something that happened to them in the service, and the veterans, their family and friends do not know what happened to them. All three have cognitive defecits. One has an "anger control" problem, and one talks like an automaton. One recently died, seemingly from malpractice committed by his VA doctor. This is very disturbing-I do not know what happened to these people, but I am beginning to believe our government is capable of anything.
floridasally,
Well, this is the government that gave black soldiers syphallis, fed LSD to unsuspecting folks, and exposed soldiers to dangerous levels of radiation, all "to see what would happen", and bold-facedly lied about things like the Gulf Of Tonkein, Kuwati incubators, the explosion of the Maine and the reasons why we should invade Iraq. This is also the same government that outlaws pot but subsidies tobacco and alcohol.
I.F. Stone was right.
Every day is a constant battle to keep the evil, and the stupid people from vinning.
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And they wonder why I feel tired.
Backslider-
I.F. Stone! A great American, and an astounding researcher.
"Rumsfeld has woefully underarmed, supplied our troops. He and his entire crew should be in jail.
diogenes | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 3:42 pm | # "
Rumsfeld ought to be on a scaffold, with a rope around his neck, waiting for the drop. He's a war criminal, as is Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, a whole host of characters.
"Oh, Harry MaCarthy, go be a good boy and enlist to be cannon fodder in your loser's war.
jules | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 3:55 pm | #"
With the problem the recruiters have, there will be plenty of room for Harry the troll.
The VA has been used as a political football forever. Nixon appointed VA directors from his list of political cronies and pals. Most of these bozos knew jack about health care and even less about running hospitals. That's why, during the 70s, there were reports of rats in Bronx VA.
The Army Fitness Boards determine if one is fit for duty or not. It is up to the VA to make the determination of how much disability is warranted. Just firing off your medical record guarantees that it will be a loooong time before you hear something official. The evaluators have to see documentation for every condition claimed. If it's not there, it didn't happen. That is why it is incumbent on the patient to make sure each and every complaint is documented. Not having documentation is similar to asking for a refund without your receipt, to be simplistic.
All of the veteran's service organizations, like the VFW, DAV, VVAW, have case workers that can assist in preparing an application.
I respectfully suggest that all of you how are outraged write a letter to your congress critter and senators. It should take just about as much time as making a blog entry.
I concur with Been There:
If you have been wounded in Iraq, document everything. Who, what, where, when and how. Names, addresses of witness, where treated and by whom.
Someone above claimed the VA disabilty boards are somehow more liberal than Fitness Boards. After dealing with the VA for 38 years, I've yet to see a liberal VA Adjudication Unit. I've seen the reverse, New Hampshire is infamous for claim denials, foot dragging and remans from the VA Appeals Boards.People move from NH just to get their cases before another board.
A case in point, my own claim, regarding the length of my stump. In 1967 I was measured incorrectly by a E-3 Corpsman. He measured it incorrectly. The VA never gave me an examination that included a measurement.
While I worked for the VA, a DAV rep called my attention to the examination criterion and I was measured by the Head of VA Orthropaedics for all of New England. His measurement upheld that the initial measurement was wrong and I deserved a 80% rating.
The New Hampshire VA disability board rejected my findings out of hand. They would not believe their own people. And this was something you could SEE, could be realized by just looking.
It took a change of venue to set things right and that is just wrong.
You're right Backslider.
That is a lesson we or the world has yet to learn.
In this one case though I am talking about the lessons each person in our military, their families, and those who care that a complete stranger loses an arm, a leg, an eye, both, or in this case permanent cranial injuries.
Bush may not have learned a lesson, military personel are learning it day after day.
War is hell. People shouldn't volunteer for something that involves this unless they are prepared to pay the price of that duty.
MYOB'
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MYOB you sound like a fucking arm chair warrior telling every complaining soldier to buck up and quit their whining, they only got what they should have expected. What about depleted uranium? We've dropped it by the ton over there and yet if you had some in your garage men in hazmat suits would come and remove and require you to foot the bill for getting rid of a hazardous substance. Think the powers that be will do that over there? Not bloodly likely. But hey, it's the soldiers own fault.
Weird - all of a sudden, I'm getting all this spam shit in German.
I'm just deleting it, unread!
fuck'n americans, shallow, stupid assholes.
could you at least separate the government from all americans? because I'd say that a majority don't support what our government is doing.
you sound like wingnuts who lump all muslims together for condemnation.
MYOB you sound like a fucking arm chair warrior telling every complaining soldier to buck up and quit their whining, they only got what they should have expected
Has anyone seen the latest atrocity of a commercial?
This kid is sitting there with his mom talking about how "someone is winning to send me to college."
The military is STILL using that lie as bait - and the sad thing is people are still falling for that lie.
They're so far into this uber-patriot trip, too, that they just can't see that they are being used and then thrown away.
I'm sorry = WILLING, not winning.
Support the troops... because your government sure as hell won't.
It's so relaxing grazing with the eschaherd. No need to think critically, no need to think at all. Just chew the grass and move with the herd.
eschatard | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 4:00 pm |
stand down trollshooters, it's just a trollbot, completely automated. word for word copy of a trollbot posting that has appeared here about once a day for the past week.
seriously, i'm curious about the code behind this piece of software. maybe we could use it for our own purposes, or figure out a way to bounce it back to its source with a nasty worm attached.
and in the unlikely event it's an actual human [sort of] - it's just poor retarded little 8 year old billy who's real excited he learned how to press Ctrl V on his mommy's keyboard.
Whee, faith-based science. Remember folks, it's the evil "wingnuts" who are anti-science.
hat | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 4:18 pm
only a fucking shit-eating, blood-drinking parasite would say "whee" in the comments of this post, of all posts.
you're not a human being, hat. you're just a fucking shit-sucking worm.
it'd be sad if it wasn't so boring.
Unbelievable Leftist fuckwit apologia for murderers. You truly are too stupid to live, Tena.
Stoooooopid!
Phil | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 4:38 pm
i love these people. now i understand why they thought it was possible for a human being to live without a brain.
phil - that's short for philip, isn't it? in greek that means you love horses. just like your dear leader, huh?
are you ever going to face a fucking reckoning when your masters get their necks stretched in the hague.
No whining here.
I believed the entrance fee to the Marine Corps is wanting to be a Marine more than being alive. Giving your all.
I just want my govenment not to squander my sacrifice and hold up their end of the bargain.
People, the sad fact is THE TROOPS LOVE BUSH! THEY LOVE RUMSFELD! THEY LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE BUSH REGIME! No matter how much they and their families get fucked over, they'll still swear allegiance to Dear Leader and piss on those who opposed this war from Day 1. As horrible as it is to say, I can't really sympathize with these people. It's not like it was with Viet Nam vets, most of whom were just kids dragged off the street and put into uniform. No, the current crop of GI's are VOLUNTEERS; they wanted to go to Iraq; they wanted to shock and awe people who have done nothing to them simply because they worship a different God. They would still be killing a haji for Christ if it were not for their wounds. Sorry, just because now they're beginning to see just how much the "support the troops" bunch has collectively fucked them in the ass, is no reason why anybody should feel for them. They bought into the Bush regime bullshit, they did so willingly, and continued to do so right up until they caught a bullet or shrapnel, so sorry, I'm fresh out of give a shit. By the way, I would feel this way even if it were a relative of mine. If said relative was strutting around talking like SGT Rock, expecting us to kiss his ass because he's willing to kill innocent people for our so called "freedom" then I'd just chalk this one up to karma if that relative comes back with a piece of shrapnel in his head. Sorry to sound so harsh, but that's just the way it is. When the media starts devoting more time to the treatment of the 100.000 plus Iraqis killed or maimed, then I'd be more than happy to turn my attention to the plight of war vets, but that's just not gonna happen, is it?
The reality is that a lot of troops (like my husband, a guardsman who's in Afghanistan right now) don't like Bush. If you want to help troops that have come home with PTSD and other mental issues, support Operation Truth. They're sending a delegation to Wshington next week to push for more funding for vets. They're the largest Iraq/Afghanistan vets organization in the country. Help them out!!
Here's the link: http://www.optruth.org
But they'll still vote GOP. Fuck 'em.
I am so bloody tired of it - I care - you care - it does not matter.
Is that a frist? My god....
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