I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
holy fucking christ.
Fuck.
This could really degrade our special operatioanl capabilities, more than it already has.
Commentator Brett pulls their skirt up a little:
I find the Bible verse interesting. The King James translation is "The Kingdom of Heaven suffereth violence, and the violent bear it away," which is where Flannery O'Connor got the title of her amazing novel (I just reread it this week, so the verse was fresh in my mind). The FORCE website is using the New International Version, which is an evangelical translation.
The old revised standard: the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.
It's anybody's guess what Jesus was talking about (if he actually said those words). The commentaries have all kinds of interpretations.
Judging by the FORCE website, I'd say it's pretty clear: stupid violent people have stolen Christianity.
Posted by: Brett at May 10, 2005 05:06 PM
An eminently reasonable conclusion.
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If there is a President Hillary Clinton is 2009 (moderate though she is), worry about a military coup at some point.
Maybe Wesley Clark isn't a bad idea - at least he is on the wavelength of the military at some level.
Of course, Pope Ratzy will make his life hell as a candidate (Clark is Catholic).
Time to pack our bags folks. I need to know what country will take a middle-aged woman. Damn, that was scary.
Between the fundies evangelizing the Air Force Academy, and now this - I really worry that they've targeted the military as their best way to permanent power.
Who won't try to make our candidates lives hell.
Just remember, at least our folks are sane!
Jeepers...New Zealand's looking better every friggin' minute...
Jesus sprayed the oncoming Roman soldiers with about fifty rounds from his automatic peace-maker. Several Romans fell, wounded, but there were just too many. The Prince of Peace popped another clip in and began firing again. His aim was true but the Romans just kept coming.
"Jesus!" Jesus said. "I'm fucked."
OM fucking G,
More killin for Krist. Keep it up wingnuts. You scare America.
My favorite Bible verse is Executioner 4:20:
"And Jesus said to them 'Yea, I bid you to kill everyone with extreme prejudice and Automatic Weapons, because if they're not with Us they're against Us."
Christ Killers.
or
Christ's Killers.
Between the fundies evangelizing the Air Force Academy, and now this - I really worry that they've targeted the military as their best way to permanent power.
flory, the fallen
This Violent Jesus mixed with Rambo is indeed scary. I see it simply breeding more disaffected, anti-social wingnuts a la Tim McVeigh.
And you notice on their 'who are we' page, they have special 'mens events' but nothing just for women.
They're also targeting the military schools and ROTC so they get the future brass brainwashed early.
Ooooooh. Forceful men!
It sounds like a bunch of closet cases, a large proportion of whom lie about their service.
The mentality of the people that would find that kind of thing appealing frightens me to death. Boy Howdy, I guess you cannot underestimate how truly batshit crazy some folks are.
And you notice on their 'who are we' page, they have special 'mens events' but nothing just for women.
Well, yeah, because women are the ones these nutcases need to come home to so they can beat the shit out of them, or worse.
flory,
Soldierin' is HARD work! Little wimmen can't be soldiers in trenches cause they might get deseases of something. Newt tells us so.
Maybe Wesley Clark isn't a bad idea
Got that right.
Clark criticizes planned base closings
5/14/2005, 7:30 p.m. ET
By CARYN ROUSSEAU
The Associated Press
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark said Saturday that the Pentagon's plan to close military bases around the country and reorganize troops will isolate the military from the American people and the rest of the world.
Clark said the plan to pull U.S. forces back home from abroad and centralize bases takes jobs away from smaller towns.
"We're losing influence abroad when we bring those troops home, and we lose the interaction with America when we create these super bases," Clark said in a speech to the Arkansas Associated Press Managing Editors Association.
snip
Clark, a former NATO commander who unsuccessfully sought the Democratic presidential nomination last year, said it worried him to see the military planning to close national guard armories. He said shuttering bases and moving jobs from smaller cities shatters an important connection between the military and civilians.
"Small communities lose sight of the armed forces," he said. "I like for the Army and the armed forces to be representative of the people they protect, not an elite organization."
Clark also voiced his concerns about Bush's nomination of John Bolton to United Nations ambassador, calling Bolton "somewhat of a bully."
"He's going to have a very tough time in the United Nations," Clark said. "When you come in with that much overhang, with all this reputation against you, it's that much more difficult. And all that's known in the United Nations.
"Personally, I don't like bullies," he added. "Just because you outrank somebody doesn't mean you don't respect them and their judgment."
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2006, 2006, 2006
2008, 2008, 2008
"Republic of Gilead", here we come. No, seriously. All my dystopian nightmares now seem very possible. Who said a lifetime reading science fiction was a wasted life? I know never to break open the meteorite that falls behind my isolated farm, never try to negotiate with the space aliens, and that the fascists are gonan get their thousand-year Reich/Galactic Empire.
Strange the dude seems to be aiming down. Is he in action killing midget terrorists, or just getting some R&R executing some groveling atheists?
Dang, read it. Here's the plan: Manly men drop from the sky in parachutes and thousands of skater kids with "piercing's" {sic} rush over to hear FORCEFUL TRUTH!
OT: Just reading this old Nightline transcript and marvelling at the fact that our mainstream media used to be comfortable saying things like this:
Ted Koppel: Governments lie.
They do it all the time.
And, much as we’d like to believe otherwise, the U.S. government is no exception.
There were times when we may have believed otherwise.
But after Vietnam and Watergate, we know better.
Still, unlike most countries in the world, when our government lies to us, there tend to be consequences:
Congressional hearings.
Special prosecutors.
Investigative reports.
And, unlike most countries in the world — in which there’s no real expectation that the truth will out — Americans really do believe that sooner or later, however painful the truth may be, those who know it will ultimately tell it.
Before this program is over tonight, we will have told you what we’ve uncovered over the past few months, working with Newsweek magazine, about this country’s war against Iran.
It wasn’t a full-scale war.
It was certainly never a declared war.
But the United States did so much to ensure that Iraq would not lose its war against Iran that the Reagan and Bush administrations became allies to Saddam Hussein.
And when a U.S. ship accidentally shot down an Iranian passenger plane, the U.S. government covered up the truth, to prevent that alliance from becoming fully known.
It was another July 4th weekend, four years ago, almost to the day, that an American warship, the USS Vincennes, shot down an unarmed civilian airliner over the Persian Gulf.
It was a terrible accident.
Indisputably a case of mistaken identity.
Granted, there was no love lost between the United States and Iran.
But the U.S. Navy does not deliberately target a civilian Airbus.
There were 290 men, women and children who died on that plane.
Less than 13 years ago, just 4 years after the events in question, an ABC News production was reporting that the U.S. government -- essentially the same government then in power -- had lied about the events surrounding the murder of 290 innocent civilians.
How far -- in the wrong direction -- we have come in these last 13 years.
I wanna try me sum a that skydiving/evangelizing for Jeebus. Hoo boy.
What say we skip the apocalypse and just go straight to the post-apocalypse?
But the U.S. Navy does not deliberately target a civilian Airbus.
Indeed, it punished the captain responsible with an excellent medal.
If you mouse over the "Purpose" picture, the tool tip reads "Christ is Love"
Just can't make this stuff up.
I was always disturbed by the militancy of the "Battle Hymn of the Republic."
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored,
He has loosed the fateful lightening of His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on.
Gosh my dear, departed father wasted his opportunities. I spent my whole childhood looking up as he parachuted to the ground. If only he had delivered FORCEFUL TRUTHs when he landed instead of letting some lucky little kid carry his equipment, and tousling his hair.
Truly the greatest visual perversion of Christianity I've ever seen. 
Well, isn't that just special... Guns 'n Jesus.
So, when do they start executing people, and what demographic group goes first?
Kneel before Christ, muthafuckas, or I'll bust a cap in yo ass!
Um...actually, I got the impression after going through the whole site that what we are dealing with are pimply faced, fifteen year old wannabes.
It dovetails nicely with the 'flushing the Koran down the toilet' story out of Gitmo, doesn't it? Good ol' Jerry Boykin setting that example.
That's one thing you can say about the SAS: they're not going to pack their Bibles on undercover missions.
Central,
Executioner:4:20 is a moving Bible passage about machine gun Jesus. It is why I am born again. I will KILL KILL KILL for Krist.
Okay, let me lay down an alternative translation of Matthew 11:12, one that shifts the meaning rather dramatically from the NIV version these soldiers are apparently using:
"From the time of John the Baptist until now Heaven's imperial rule has been breaking in violently, and violent men are attempting to gain it by force." (Scholar's Version)
Not exactly the idea of soldiers with guns "imparting faith in Christ." More like violence is to be expected as a response to the presence of Heaven's imperial rule, and yet violent men cannot gain that rule by force.
I know, I know, it's all a matter of interpretation. 'Scuse me while I go chew some nails. This kind of idiocy just drive me nuts!
Ok folks try this on for size.
If you are going to have a military coup where do you want the Army?
The National Guard is being destroyed so no help from them.
Bring all the armed forces back into this country and then it is a slam dunk.
Onward Christian soldiers:
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/o.../n/
onwardcs.htm
Um...actually, I got the impression after going through the whole site that what we are dealing with are pimply faced, fifteen year old wannabes.
Diane- My God! Do you mean this is being run out of the white house?
If you mouse over the "Purpose" picture, the tool tip reads "Christ is Love"
Just can't make this stuff up.
J Edgar
Love is tough.
That's why soldiers for Christ have to carry big guns.
How far -- in the wrong direction -- we have come in these last 13 years.
wtfwjd?
Well, we did have 8 good years. I'm greatful for that.
Diane- My God! Do you mean this is being run out of the white house?
spinoza
Beer on the keyboard, the monitor, and (somewhat miraculously)the wall behind the monitor.
Kneel before Christ, muthafuckas, or I'll bust a cap in yo ass!
NTodd
You mean kneel before the Prince of Peace and turn the other cheek, or....
Kneel before Christ, muthafuckas, or I'll bust a cap in yo ass!
NTodd
You mean kneel before the Prince of Peace and turn the other cheek, or....
Ah, we could just whip out the Nail Gun Of Virtue and big bad Machine Gun Jesus would run away, crying like a baby.
RMJ,
I think most reasonable people would be inclined toward the interpertation you offered. These violent, machine packing christians don't fit the bill.
Well, the Pakistanis just denied that anyone was killed by a predator inside the country, and that the so-called "senior member al-Qaeda" was not even in Pakistan.
So, to recap, the guy the Bushies captured wasn't the "the #3 man in al-Qaeda", the Bushies didn't kill another "senior al-Qaeda with a predator", and nobody can find the bodies of the "more than a hundred insurgents" the military claims they just killed in 'Operation Matador'.
Talk about the Polit Bureau.
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Kill them all, and let their god sort them out?
Nobody will do anything until it gets so bad, so distressing, by then it will be to late
I got the impression after going through the whole site that what we are dealing with are pimply faced, fifteen year old wannabes.
That's more to do with the site's designers than the people behind the FORCE Ministries thing. It's based out of La Jolla, and after the pastor realised that UCSD was not such rich pickings, he turned his attention to the navy base.
(Clark is Catholic).
General Clark is a Presbyterian (Presbyerian USA - United Presbyterian).
#5 "Thou Shalt Not Kill"
More here.
I was always disturbed by the militancy of the "Battle Hymn of the Republic."
The woman who wrote it later became a leader of a 19th-century feminist pacifist movement, and (kind of) originated Mother's Day as a day of peace commemoration.
the Bushies didn't kill another "senior al-Qaeda with a predator",
They also claimed this was the guy who "could lead them to Bin Laden" so why would they want to kill him?
That's more to do with the site's designers than the people behind the FORCE Ministries thing. It's based out of La Jolla, and after the pastor realised that UCSD was not such rich pickings, he turned his attention to the navy base.
pseudonymous in nc
Pseudo,
I checked out the site you linked to in a later post.
Yikes!
I clearly misunderestimated this story.
That Jeebus was a baaaad mother
Somewhat OT:
Liddy Dole's auxiliary nipple has two dots that insects interpret as the eyes of a predator. She has never had a mosquito bite within half a foot of her auxiliary nipple.
from an article, Batesian Mimicry in Senators' Body Parts, Journal of Senate Zoology.
cnn.com:
Marines said Saturday they "successfully completed Operation Matador," a week-long hunt for insurgents along the Syrian border that left nine Marines and more than 125 insurgents dead.
Separately, the U.S. military and Iraqi authorities reported a slew of violence that included bombings, shootings and beheadings."
This "Separately" thing says it all.
as an x born again brother, of a born again x marine, i can appreciate the sentiment in this advertisement. no i can't.
well, as krishnamurti was fond of pointing out, more people have died in the name of god than for any other reason. please, god, no god, find out for yourself. oops, too late. "who cares, we'll all be dead"
did i mention W is a moral fuckwit?
Man, the meek are fucked. They're NEVER going to inherit the earth now
...now that's a bumpersticker!
two comments in one, from the link. and a sad, amen.
they hijacked jesus. i hope it's all true. jesus, is gonna be one pissed off mother fucker.
“They say, ‘I’m going all the way with Christ,’”
snip
“It was like the Lord was saying, ‘This is intimacy with Me, and it’s just beginning,’” he said. “I’ve felt a closeness with God. That’s the most amazing thing He’s done.”
Keep it zipped, sailor. Whoever above said 'closet cases', you're right.
I clearly misunderestimated this story.
I'm not sure, actually. That pastor's church has a website which isn't particularly snazzy, and they got some other people to do the site for the SEALs-for-Jebus thing. So you've probably got a bunch of pimply geeky designers with Flash templates and a military stock photo CD.
Though one assumes that Pastor Greg and his Christian soldiers gave it the thumbs up. And the notion of SEALs parachuting into school grounds and then saying 'Hi kids, let me tell you about Jesus' is just a bit fucking scary.
did i mention W is a moral fuckwit?
Man, the meek are fucked. They're NEVER going to inherit the earth now
For such a holy man, Bu$h has a poor knowlege of the works of Jesus. The entire GOP tore up the Sermon on the Mount. Bye bye peace. Bye bye poor folks...
Nail Gun Of Virtue
"bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve."
sorry, that song repeats in my head a lot these days.
"bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve."
Ah, Trent Reznor makes good.
holy fucking christ.
Yeah.
This and the Air Force Academy stuff sends it over the edge.
Military indoctrination and religion.
Doubly brainwashed.
But they sin, nevertheless.
Sex and killing are fun!!!!
Facts aren't important to me. I prefer to follow the eschaherd.
Re: Christian Soldiers
To quote G.Gordon Libby in a somewhat similar context:
"Aim for their fucking heads..."
just sayin...
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15 minutes to 42' Mummyblogging! Woohoo!!!
. And the notion of SEALs parachuting into school grounds and then saying 'Hi kids, let me tell you about Jesus' is just a bit fucking scary.
pseudonymous in nc
Don't you love that British style of understatement?
Facts aren't important to me. I prefer to follow the herd.
You need to get out more, troll.
I had the misfortune to be reminded of GW Bush during a Pentecost service this evening. "Those who only recognize Jesus as a teacher do not have the Spirit" reminded me of Bush remarking Jesus was his "favorite philosopher."
About those superbases and the Rustbelt to Sunbelt shift -
Base Plan Would Alter Military Landscape
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -- Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is proposing to close and shrink hundreds of bases to create a leaner, more cost-effective force. If accepted, the plan would alter the domestic military landscape and greatly affect the four services branches and communities that are home to the installations.
The plan promises to shift troops and jobs from the Northeast to the Sunbelt and the West, and it would consoldiate scores of Reserve and Guard sites across the map. Mergers throughout the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps would create super-sized multipurpose bases.
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Under the plan, bases in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Alabama would add thousands of troops, with affected communities gaining at least 35,000 total new jobs -- and an economic shot in the arm. The Pentagon estimates job creation or loss on bases by changes in the number of uniformed, civilian and contractor jobs. For jobs off base, the calculation is made on the basis of changes in the military presence.
Bases in Colorado, Nevada, Oklahoma and Texas -- where land is cheaper and plentiful -- would see increases, too.
Both regions would absorb troops from other domestic bases set to be closed or reduced, and from Europe and Asia, where about 170,000 U.S. troops and their families are stationed. They will be returning home as the Pentagon adjusts its worldwide presence.
In the United States, "the military is moving south, it's moving west," said Loren Thompson, a military analyst with the Lexington Institute, a think tank in Arlington, Va.
Europe’s most liberal city is becoming a very dangerous place to be gay.
WHEN the editor of one of America’s leading gay magazines visited the world’s gay capital a fortnight ago, he assumed that he would be safe.
But as Chris Crain, editor of the Washington Blade, was walking hand in hand with his boyfriend near one of the gay districts in Amsterdam, two men standing on a street corner spat at his face. He stopped to ask why, was called a “fag” and suddenly the two youths turned into seven.
Surrounded, Mr Crain was kicked to the ground by the gang and ended up in hospital with a broken nose and badly bruised face.
His attackers were Moroccan youths, blamed by Dutch gay rights groups for a disturbing rise of gay-bashing, as conservative Islamic culture clashes with Dutch liberalism.
For the first time, the Amsterdam Tourist Board has issued a warning to gay visitors to be careful in the city. In the first country to legalise homosexual marriage, gays are increasingly fearful of holding hands in public. Some have been chased out of their houses and middle-class gays are moving to rural areas for safety.
Oy.
To be honest, I find the comments at the tinyrevolution site much more interesting. They've got the Life of Brian meme down pat....
And it's true, that guy does look kinda...neat....not that there's anything wrong with that....
#5 "Thou Shalt Not Kill"
I always wondered why that one did not rate higher.
And the piece involving Clarke above had me wondering if one of the reasons they wanted to insulate the military from the public might be to make it easier to use them against it.
/chills
"15 minutes to 42' Mummyblogging! Woohoo!!!"
--Eli
Previews have already started.
Europe’s most liberal city is becoming a very dangerous place to be gay.
Link?
i>Jumpin for Jesus
coupla years ago, i recall, the Nat'l Guard in Okiedom were in the habit of dropping into rural junior highschools and doing 'pretend' martial law lockdowns of the school grounds...
not making this up...can't find the cites, but i am sure of it...
Oh, hell. Now I have another reason to be afraid for my nephew in the Army. Not only might Chimpy and his minions send Jack to Iraq, but the christofascists might bust his ass for being a Pagan.
Hey, troll, link.
Now.
fakepie... we read Vaara, so we've got heard all the best local info on Europe's most liberal city and gays.
Too bad trolls are blocked from reading info outside the usual radical right agitprop sources.
the guy who "could lead them to Bin Laden" so why would they want to kill him?
____league
Do what to Bin who now?
the guy who "could lead them to Bin Laden" so why would they want to kill him?
____league
Do what to Bin who now?
MisterX
Ya mean, the guy was a Club Med booking agent?
we read Vaara, so we've got heard all the best local info on Europe's most liberal city and gays.
As if Amsterdam would be a problem
What a joke the trolls are.
Little naive shits.
If you are going to have a military coup where do you want the Army?
The National Guard is being destroyed so no help from them.
Bring all the armed forces back into this country and then it is a slam dunk.
'Bout time somebody noticed that.
And if there was a better training ground for death squads and killer private contractors than Iraq, I don't know where it would be.
Europe’s most liberal city is becoming a very dangerous place to be gay.
I found it.
here
Please. Will the religious among us do something about this? These are *your* loose cannons and wheels.
Thanks.
one of the reasons they wanted to insulate the military from the public might be to make it easier to use them against it.
/chills
kent - 8:55 pm
i've said before that i think the Guard and Reserves are being so extensively used in Iraq and Afghanistan is to get 'em used to seeing anyone their commanders call insurgents or terrorists --which is what the fascists will start fo call their opposition here at home--as the enemy and firing on orders...
(chills......)
Hmmmm, the produce of Fallen angles and Human women........into a 42' foot mummy.
Oh my god "since the dawn of man......."
Please. Will the religious among us do something about this? These are *your* loose cannons and wheels.
Thanks.
Sarah Deere
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Why should we "do something about it"......we heartily approve >:D
Speaking of military base closings, Olberman put up a big map last night of the net winners and losers. It was a virtual red state/blue state map. Even the bases that close in the south had net gains in other areas. I hate BushCo. And just how the hell can we operate a military with most of the East coast having their bases closed and ditto for closing bases in California?
That's one thing you can say about the SAS: they're not going to pack their Bibles on undercover missions.
Sigh. The secularism and reduced military influence of postwar European societies would be very welcome right now in Jesustan America.
The Navy Seals have long been disporportionately Mormon and other evangelical groups.
oops. here
Did you say Jeebus was a bad mother - Shut your mouth!
Evening, batties!
Is this the wrong thread for comments on really cheesy CGI effects?
Nice rubber body parts as well.
This could represent a nadir even for SciFi.
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15 minutes to 42' Mummyblogging! Woohoo!!!
Sallyh and I have a champagne and cake party planned for left coast viewing.
So none of you right coast viewers better ruin it for us.
"I said I wanted my son preserved - not turned into a simpleton."
Oh Nooo! A 42-foot neocon!
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42-Ft Fielding Mellishsquito - *sigh* rolls eyes heavenward
They're all downstairs... now SCOOT! Lemme know if you kids need more pretzels!
Go play with the kids on the next thread, you mummified mansquitos!
I despise Christers who haven;t a fucking clue what they're talking about or idolizing.
They need to read the gospels, then think a bit.
bigvic:
damn you!!!!
another shattered allusion
the BRAC is political?
DAMN YOU, BRAC!!!! DAMN YOU!!!!(shakes fist emphatically at uncaring spheres)
--which is what the fascists will start fo call their opposition here at home--as the enemy and firing on orders..
They have been laying the foundation for that scenario for a coupla decades now, but I most certainly, receive your drift.
That or the extensive use is an attempt to just destroy the intitutions so they can be remade in another image.
Boobs and Mummies call.....
My gun is bigger than his gun.
And the special forces have been getting knocked around in these last two Bush crusades almost as much as the regular forces.
Which translates into the fact that special forces are only as strong as the bullets they can avoid.
MYOB'
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Why should we "do something about it"......we heartily approve >:D
Avestus
NOT.
You biblioidlatrist mother fucker.
Wait, I typed that wrong:
NOT
You biblioidolatrist mule fucker.
Sorry for the mistake
Diane, glad you corrected that... 
Although why we are wishing this shit on mules, I dunno....
Woody,
the BRAC is political?
Ummm, darlin' I don't even know wht BRAC stands for. Help?
Sorry for the mistake
Diane
HAH HA! I like the cut of your jib, lady.
Now I gotta go wipe beer off my monitor...
Choir: We're marching, marching to Shibboleth,
With the Eagle and the Sword!
We're praising Zion 'til her death,
Until we meet our last reward!
Men: Our Lord's reward!
Women: Zion! Oh happy Zion!
O'er wrapp'd, but not detained!
Men: Lion, f'rocious Lion!
His beard our mighty mane!
Women: At First and Main!
Men: Oh, we;ll go marching, marching to Omaha,
With the Buckram and the Cord!
Women: You'll hear us "boom" our State!
Men: Ha, ha! As we cross the final ford!
Women: The flaming Ford!
Choir: Zion! Oh mighty Zion!
Your bison now are dust!
As your cornflakes rise
"Gainst the rust-red skies,
Then our blood requires us must
Go ...
Men: Marching, marching to Shibboleth,
With the Eagle and the ...
Women: The Buckram and the Cord!
Men: Sword! Praising Zion 'til her death!
Women: Ha, ha!
Men: Until we eat our last reward!
Women: The flaming Ford!
Choir: Zion! Oh righteous Zion!
There is no one to blame!
For the homespun pies
'Neath the cracking skies
Shall release the fulsome rain!
Tenor: Shall release!
Men: Shall release!
Soprano: Shall release!
Women: Shall release!
Choir: Shall release the vinyl rein!
Choir: Shall release the vinyl rein!
Andrew
What, and then at that point they throw 45s into the crowd? Cool.
Thank you, Sarah and Mr. X. I am just so tired of these thumpers stealing my religion, making it the butt of jokes around here (and justifiably, given the recent news).
All I can say is "May God have mercy on your soul, because I have none and I intend to stomp your testicles into pate."
I guess the old saying about "every soldier in a foxhole believes in god" thing just went on crack. Or meth, with the current crowd. Somehow I don't think Jesus would approve of torture and killing innocent civilians to grab some oil is a worthy cause.
BRAC=base realignment and closing committee
sorree
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BRAC = Base Realignment And Closing
(IIRC; AKA, musical chairs played amongst the pork-barrel, log-rolling set.)
Sigh. The secularism and reduced military influence of postwar European societies would be very welcome right now in Jesustan America.
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And look at what it has made them. Soft, weak, stupid, too lazy to even breed, and being overrun by an Islamic flood of immigrants. Europe is doomed.
Woody,
Ah-ha! Well, it is sickening what Rummy is proposing with Shrub's blessing. A big fuck you to states that didn't vote for Dear Leader and subtle blackmail that it's "my way or you're fucked." My head hurts.
What is so amazing to me is how they have so peverted the message of Jesus. It's breathtaking. I don't think they have really understood the Gospels. After all, it's the "Good News"--not a warlike message.
>i>One True Thing
one true thing: soldiers do NOT fight for God or Country, freedom, liberty, mom, the girl next door, or their 58 Chevy (well, maybe a little bit for the Chev).
They fight for their lives, and the lives of their buddies.
It's been a true thing since folks began recording their thoughts on such matters...
Diane - Wow. Again with the beer spraying.
That's the first time I ever saw "testicles" and "pate" in the same sentence. Yikes!
Ah. Ignore the Useless Timewaster™.
Thanks!
Europe is doomed.
Avestus -- 9:39 pm
rather, you are doomed...to eternal fistfucking in the ass by Bobby Knight...
Europe will clean our clocks, in the coming ceentury, according ot Lester Thurow, anyway
"May God have mercy on your soul, because I have none and I intend to stomp your testicles into pate."
Hahahahahahaha. You're gonna make the baby Jeebus cry.
No troll feeding, please, unless you know a way to feed them to the mummy or whatever.
Europe will clean our clocks, in the coming ceentury, according ot Lester Thurow, anyway
WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka...)
But then at the end, ChinaIndia comes in and scoops up all the marbles...
After all, it's the "Good News"--not a warlike message.
BronxVoter
Well, that was then. Bush is the new lord and savoir. Just ask the loony tune fundies, the dumbest of the dumb. They finally found someone dumber than themselves to worship.
I am with Diane -- don't you wish this was a parody site (like Landover Baptist)?
I am reminded of "Full Metal Jacket" -- DI: "I want this head to be so clean that the Blessed Virgin Mary would be honored to take a crap in it! You do believe in the Blessed Virgin Mary don't you, Joker?"
The religious status of Wesley Clark seems confused -- he was raised Presby (with a name like Wesley?) but attends Mass with his RC wife & seems a self identified papist (IIRC from the campaign as he went spectacularly streaking through the sky for an instant before the stick came done & hit no one)
I grew up in the home of some of these thumper crazies and I have to admit that I always thought they'd remain on the fringes of American society, occasionally annoying, frequently amusing, never a threat.
Boy, was I wrong.
I don't know whether to apologize or throw up.
Hahahahahahaha. You're gonna make the baby Jeebus cry.
bigvic
No, I don't think so. Jesus was capable of temper tantrums.
He referred to the Pharisees and the other assholes ripping off the poor and defenseless in Israel as "Whited Sepulchres" and pointed out their 'future' as something less than the pleasant 'rapture' that the current Pharisees predict.
While he might have been a pacifist, he sure as hell wasn't a passivist.
Damn, but the religious reich make me angry.
Pope John Paul II started a seminary on the Vatican grounds.
Many of the graduates are highly educated and highly brainwashed.
Many of these young Christian soldiers are American.
They are the future of the catholic church in Amerika.
They would highly approve of the genocide for christ.
Kill the heathens!
Bring on the rapture!
Good point Diane. I agree.
These poor, abused Christians! So persecuted by phantom secularists. Puuuleeease. Those itiots are free as the wind to whorship in their churches, pray and act like jackasses any time anywhere in this country and they just keep howling. Fuck them. They can do as they like but they CANNOT make me follow. They ain't the boss of me.
Over thirty years ago I served in the US Navy -- this Bible beaters were around then & everyone thought they were crazy, but the brass liked them because they would carry out orders without question -- sadly, they seem to have stayed in & moved up the chain of command & now they ARE the brass -- this is seriously scary
MrX...
for a variety of reasons, many of them 'dogmatic', i don't see a china-india raproachemnt in the imagineble future...if anything, it may come down to a nuclear landwar in south asia, with resultant devastation around the globe...
"this" = "these"
Seriously -- I need a secretary to post for me
WGG --
I suppose if there is nuclear war between India & China we will side with "our ally Pakistan" who will certainly be using its nuclear weapons against India -- which is the only democracy of the bunch (not that we actually care about democracy -- abroad or at home)
Diane,
What you said. Jesus was a pacifist--and a man of conviction. And a flawed character. Much like Gandhi and MLK, our modern day "Christs".
Avestus said: "Europe is doomed." It occurs to me that an alliance of Europe (they might have to expel perfidious Albion first) with Russia and China--maybe add India as well--would have the educational, industrial, scientific, economic, and military clout to kick our neocons' chickenhawk-feathered butts up between their shoulder blades. I would normally consider such an alliance unlikely, but since the administration of Emperor Doofus Maximus seems hellbent on alienating the entire rest of the planet--excepting, of course, our good friends the Israelis (the fine folks who sank the LIBERTY, lest we forget)--it just might happen.
Re: These Godly Warriors
you DO know, don't you, that they'd shoot your lights out, without a shred of remorse, singing praises, and doing orisons if they were convinced it was approved by 'God'???
You KNOW that, don't you?
OK,
I've calmed down a bit. Thanks Bigvic and Prior A.
I know that we all do and believe what we think is best.
What concerns me is that in this country religion is now the litmus test for everything. I don't want a government that is "Christian". I want a government that is truly democratic as defined by the US Constitution. Is that so hard? Or so bad?
I still want to gut me a fundy, though
http://www.belief.net/story/136/
...ry_13636_1.html
BELIEFNET: So how would you describe yourself now?
CLARK: I'm spiritual. I'm religious. I'm a strong Christian and I'm a Catholic but I go to a Presbyterian Church. Occasionally I go to the Catholic church too. I take communion. I haven't transferred my membership or anything. My wife I consider ourselves---she considers herself a Catholic.
BELIEFNET: And you do as well?
CLARK: Yes.
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Reading over that interview, I would say that Clark is simply a very ecumenical Christian.
[Sarah Vowell is on c-span2 - "Assassination Vacation"]
Diane, you rock.
Said it all better than I could have, fer shure.
The truly scary part: They hear voices and think it's "god" talking to them.
And they have guns.
I was criticized for posting "Be a patriot ... burn a church" here and I admit that it was an extreme, if ironic, attempt at a political statement.
But, if I keep posting it, one of these days, no one will think it's that extreme, I'm guessing.
Seriously -- I need a secretary to post for me
Prior Aelred
Dear one, if anyone did a spell check of my posts, they'd pass out. I suck as an editor, too.
QuentinCompson --
Thanks for the clarification on Clark -- obviously I DIDN'T recall correctly -- you must admit that his answer is little confusing to those who prefer strong boundaries
Clark is also strongly pro-choice
bigvic --
Thanks for your kind words -- BTW -- where's my pic?
Diane -- I've been pissed ever since the Reagan years when I became ashamed of the term "Christian" -- I certainly never felt that way under Carter (the last President who let his religious convictions interfere with how he acted in office -- not always & not always a bad thing)
Avestus said: "Europe is doomed." It occurs to me that an alliance of Europe (they might have to expel perfidious Albion first) with Russia and China--maybe add India as well--would have the educational, industrial, scientific, economic, and military clout to kick our neocons' chickenhawk-feathered butts up between their shoulder blades. I would normally consider such an alliance unlikely, but since the administration of Emperor Doofus Maximus seems hellbent on alienating the entire rest of the planet--excepting, of course, our good friends the Israelis (the fine folks who sank the LIBERTY, lest we forget)--it just might happen.
Kid Charlemagne
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LOL! You must lay in bed and masterbate to fantasies about the "bad old USA" getting it's comeuppance. You princesses are a laugh riot, with your fetishizing of a doomed socialist backwater as it tries to flounder to some kind of future other than the one that demographics has doomed it too.
I don't know whether to apologize or throw up.
megisi
Please get yourself to a toilet! Heh. These fundies come and go. They pop up in the extreme throughout history. Then truly good poeple shame them back to the rocks they crawled out from under. They regroup to come back for another inquisition.
Excuse me while I try to comb my hair, which is currently standing on end.
My take is that China and India might very well be the world powers in the next ten years, and their interests are not aligned at all.
Both are closer to the sources of energy (as now exist) and both have the populations to support any drives toward hegemony.
I think Mr. Bush and his cohorts may be too stupid to recognize this.
Hey, guys. Attaturk put up a new, non-mummy movie thread. Bless him!
The only Navy Seal I've ever known returned from a tour in Vietnam with three objectives -- smoke dope, drink beer and fuck. The lively and skinny blonde he'd met somewhere (and for whom I lusted) and the pound of Southeast Asian pot he'd smuggled back from Nam pretty much took care of two goals; the weekly keg parties he threw at his grandparents' abandoned Kansas farmhouse seemed to fuffill the other (there was a real Dazed and Confused quality about those keggers, down the hothead the decked a stoned me for no reason).
I haven't seen the guy in 30 years, but I don't think he's gone over to this force.
Prior,
Thanks for your kind words -- BTW -- where's my pic?
Would you please try and wrestle my camera equiptment from my daughter's friend's house? I guess I'll have to ground her till I get it back. It will be SO worth the wait, I promise. Hahahahaha.
I hope you're right, vic, but this smells different to me. They have quite the swerve on right now.
MrX...
for a variety of reasons, many of them 'dogmatic', i don't see a china-india raproachemnt in the imagineble future...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka...)
Agreed. I just couldn't decide which one would be around (and in power) later in this century... China or India.
Your welcome, Prior, and you're right about Clark's blurry boundaries, as that interview covers his Methodist, Baptist, Jewish, Presby and Catholic tributaries.
Pro-choice, very progressive economics and as enlightened foreign policy/natsec chops as can ever be elected prez.
The only Navy Seal I've ever known returned from a tour in Vietnam with three objectives -- smoke dope, drink beer and fuck.
Oh, a college boy, eh?
A high school classmate of mine went into the SEALs -- heard he recently made admiral (VERY unusual for SEALS) -- he was a really nice guy -- a genuine jock who was not a hot dog -- don't know if he likes to torture brown people for Jeebus
There was a "Get Your War On" cartoon (I think) about the false "Jeebus" that the wing-nuts worship -- the punchline was, "When the real Jesus hears about this, he's gonna be pissed!"
Use the Schwartz, Luke.
"Lord, give me these men."
(snicker)
What a riot! Let's hope they are as macho as their midi files. Sounds like this rough 'n tumble Jesus platoon will be right up the closeted right wing alley...or, is that poopchute?
Avestus, it's "masturbate", not "masterbate". Thanks for adding to the Everest of evidence supporting my opinion of the intelligence of the average troll. I might be more impressed with the arguments of trolls if more of them could spell polysyllabic words correctly.
By the way, the USA is not bad, merely the alleged human beings currently running it (off a cliff). If the USA does decline, it will be because of the consequences of right-wing policies. I did not say "conservative" because the dominant faction in today's American Right cannot be called conservative in any traditional American use of the word. I actually miss the real Republicans--remember them, the folks who distrusted huge budget deficits and messianic foreign policies?
This stuff is especially scary in light of Tony Perkins recent op-ed in the post where he tries to assert that the Bush 10 are being filibustered for their faith. Of course he does this by asserting that all religious people would agree that the bible is an "absolut authority," which seems to indicate that the only religion he seems to consider a valis one is christianity. Here's the full quote:
"Judge Charles Pickering was questioned about a statement he made as the head of the Mississippi Southern Baptist Convention, in which he said that the Bible is an "absolute authority" for human conduct -- a standard that just about any religious person would hold."
That is what the majority of Christians are thinking right now! Thank you for bravely and accurately posting the truth.
"Europe is doomed"
Yeah... what we need is a disciplined corps of square-jawed, firm-buttocked, gun-totin' Killers for Krist to land on the beach at IJmuiden and kick some raghead ass!!!!
Then they could pop over to the Eagle on Warmoesstraat and receive special homage from the grateful liberated citizens of Amsterdam.
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