I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Revealed: how an abortion puts the next baby at risk
By Michael Day
(Filed: 15/05/2005)
Having an abortion almost doubles a woman's risk of giving birth dangerously early in a later pregnancy, according to research that will provoke fresh debate over the most controversial of all medical procedures.
A French study of 2,837 births - the first to investigate the link between terminations and extremely premature births - found that mothers who had previously had an abortion were 1.7 times more likely to give birth to a baby at less than 28 weeks' gestation. Many babies born this early die soon after birth, and a large number who survive suffer serious disability.
We will pay for having harmed - that, uh, would be, SLAUGHTERED - the people of Iraq.
We will. Keeps me awake every goddamned night.
That is, rather obviously, not pie.
Back to the subject. "Rather than employing the classic rebel tactic of provoking the foreign forces to use clumsy and excessive force"
Is this guy mired in his own backassedness? Guess so.
FIRST!
(This counts as actual first because troll posts don't count.)
Fuck off, namestealer.
A heads up, Gore Vidal is on Bill Maher's show tonight.
OT
Back of the rack,
The track transition between "Back in the USSR" and "Dear Prudence" on the White Album was entirely fabricated in post production, but is one of the finest pieces of record engineering decision making I've ever heard.
A French study of 2,837 births -
citation? And, yes, I am fully aware that this is not pie.
MisterX - well, true enough but that would make you THIRD.
Nyah, nyah, nyah.
We should abort name stealing trolls.
I imagine the skies over Chimptopia are a lovely shade of punk.
Or maybe we should prematurely ejaculate name stealing trolls.
Bennett is a tool. A whanker and a spanker and a jerker and a lurker urker. Ug.
can you even imagine the mean streets of Iraq,I cant
via democrats.com
A liberal came upon a genie and said, "You're a genie. Can you grant me three wishes?" The genie replied, "Yes, but only if you're feeling generous enough to share your good fortune." The liberal said, "I'm a liberal. I'm always happy to share." The genie said, "O.K., then, whatever you wish for, I'll give every conservative in the country two of it. What's your first wish?" "I would like a new sports car." "O.K., you've got it, and every conservative in the country gets two sports cars. What's your second wish?" "I'd like a million dollars." "O.K., you get a million dollars, every conservative gets two million dollars. What's your third and final wish?" "Well, I've always wanted to donate a kidney."
Nyah, nyah, nyah.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar
CURSES! Foiled again! shaked fist impotently at sky
"It clearly makes sense to the people who are doing it," said Dr. Loren B. Thompson, a defense analyst at the Lexington Institute. "And that more than anything else tells us how little we understand the region."
Duh. Really? Huh. Go fucking figure.
I'm...astonished. We don't understand the region.
No shit, Sherlock.
It's almost too difficult to grasp how stupid these people are. What did they think would happen when they stood down the Iraqi army and had 300,000 unemployed men? Faced with an unwanted, un-asked-for occupation by foreign invaders?
Or maybe we should prematurely ejaculate name stealing trolls.
Elaine Supkis -10:18 pm
i rather imagine they take care of that odious little chore all by themselves...
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Thanks, Attaturk! I hate bad movies. Peace.
The insurgents in Iraq are showing little interest in winning hearts and minds among the majority of Iraqis...
James Bennet
He could have substituted the phrase "US electorate" for "insurgents in Iraq" without sacrificing a chinchilla of truth.
When you have "flowers in your mind", as so many of our so-called "planners" did instead of brains, it's always a surprise when they wilt and turn black...
my dad was a combat surgeon in WW11, my mom says he was NEVER the same after 2 yrs of that butchery.
cgreen, I always love the genie jokes.
Thanks Attaturk, was having a hard time keeping up in the Mummy threads.
On topic. The mess in Iraq is truly beyond my understanding. I'm thinking even if we leave, which we probably won't, the killing will continue.
Faced with an unwanted, un-asked-for occupation by foreign invaders?
M |--10:20 pm
invaders without the simplest understanding of their region, culture or values?
invaders without compassion or imagination?
with hundreds of rich ammunition and arms dumps all over the landscape?
with a history of abandonment by those very invaders?
invaders who want nothing better than to get into their sisters' burqas?
gee, i dunno...
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bigvic - 'Shadow of a Doubt" on TCM. Thornton Wilder, Alfred Hitchcock, Joseph Cotten....
Night all.
There are mummies with more awareness than Bennett...
my dad was a combat surgeon in WW11, my mom says he was NEVER the same after 2 yrs of that butchery.
sittinpretty, I don't believe anyone could be. One can't go through something like that without a signifigant transformation. It would weigh heavy.
SD
Sorry, bigvic. I should have called the mummyblogging threads open threads but they would have been full of mummyblogging anyway.
great bouts of depression 20 yrs out
my dad was a combat surgeon in WW11, my mom says he was NEVER the same after 2 yrs of that butchery.
sittenpretty
Word.
My old man was an LTJG on a destroyer in the South Pacific. He told me that most of the time he didn't think he would see stateside ever again.
That shit irreversibly alters young men.
And it's a lesson known only to those who are commanded to endure it.
Not many of those who command others to do it.
shadow of a doubt is a great metaphor for the unlikely packaging of pure evil. It was hitches (not hitchens) fave
"We will pay for having harmed - that, uh, would be, SLAUGHTERED - the people of Iraq. We will. Keeps me awake every goddamned night."
Sarah Deere
Go to sleep, Sarah Deere. A recent more thorough study by the UN reveals that between 18000 and 29000 civilian deaths in Iraq. Assuming that a great many of these were killed by the insurgents, then maybe 13000 of 26000000 civilians have been slaughtered - about 1/20th of one percent.
So you can sleep soundly that when it comes to slaughtering civilians, we really suck at it.
'Shadow of a Doubt" on TCM. Thornton Wilder, Alfred Hitchcock, Joseph Cotten....
GWPDA, Irate Scholar
Oooh, one of my faves... that whole "Do you know the world is a foul sty?" speech that Cotton gives to his innocent niece... brrrr... I'm getin' goosebumps here!
I just realized - today makes a year since I switched blah3 to its current software setup.
Does that count as a birthday?
No matter. I'm gonna go drink stuff to celebrate! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
great bouts of depression 20 yrs out
sittenpretty
I have no trouble beliving this completely.
This is why wars should be fought by the people who declare them.
They want to do this shit? Fine - do it. Leave the rest of us out of it.
I'm so sorry about your dad. What a terrible burden for him. It always is, for the decent folks.
Pez - My Pop and Mum both ended up in the CBI theatre - Mum as a Red Cross worker was one of the first who brought into India the boys who'd been in Japanese prison camps. Pop, climbed g-d telephone poles to ensure communications along the Burma Road. Nothing but hell, every day, always. Forty years later, they couldn't really talk about it, not really. They could feel it, but they couldn't talk. War. And that was for a war that we absolutely, no doubt, absolutely had to fight. This one? Screw it. We're killing our selves.
Even the well intentioned of our forces in Iraq are not well prepared. One of these objected to man making his small daughter carry something while he walked. Soldier forced man to carry the load while the soldier carried the daughter. The great white man cometh and inflicteth his culture upon the natives type thing. No clue as to how the man felt or will respond when he is free to do so. Also, white soldier = ok to bully Iraqi man
Iraqi man = not ok to bully daughter. ok? ok!
Oh. Right. Also: IGNORE the Useless Timewasters™!
Thanks!
next to the scandal of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib, no other aspect of the American military presence in Iraq has caused such widespread dismay and anger among Iraqis, judging by their frequent outbursts on the subject. Daily reports compiled by Western security companies chronicle many incidents in which Iraqis with no apparent connection to the insurgency are killed or wounded by American troops who have opened fire on suspicion that the Iraqis were engaged in a terrorist attack.
Gee-wiz! Ya think killing innocent childern, fathers, mothers, etc. has no impact on the freedom loving Iraqis? My farking head hurts. How dumb do these nuts think we ARE?
So you can sleep soundly that when it comes to slaughtering civilians, we really suck at it.
leftisright |
Please, go away. Now.
18,000-29,000 civilians dead mean nothing to their relatives? One death is too many when we went into this war.
"without sacrificing a chinchilla of truth."
ummm maybe the word you're looking for isscintilla...
But maybe not, Hmmm I kinda like the sound of that, the chinchilla of truth...
Moonbats,
Bon Nuit!
ich muss Schlaffen gehen...ganz lange Tag morgen...
tchussi!
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So you can sleep soundly that when it comes to slaughtering civilians, we really suck at it.
So we should do more more of it?
You germ.
we really need to put a stop to this endless slaughterNOW, Im not drunk.this war is an ignominious crime against humanity
Pez -
Agree on 'USSR/Prudence.'
Another one is the space between 'Good morning, Good Morning' and the 'Pepper's Reprise' on 'Sgt. Pepper's.' The barnyard sounds go on, to be hushed up by a bark from Harrison's lead guitar, then the count into the song, and Lennon's semi-whispered 'Bye...'
It's stuff like that that headphones were invented for.
...Forty years later, they couldn't really talk about it, not really...
GWPDA, Irate Scholar
Good hearted humans die to some degree when they witness the unspeakable torment that people joyfully inflict on others.
And yet, they learn how to continue to contribute to the common good.
These were wonderful people who stepped into the breach in the 30's and 40's when the world was convulsing around them, and their progeny needs to do better by them.
No, you're more like cancer.
We should abort name stealing trolls.
Elaine Supkis
I'm having that abortion even as we type.
The insurgents are silly and stupid. No wonder we're winning! In fact we're winning so decisively that we won over two years ago!
stranger,
Oops. I forgot all about the second side of Abbey Road.
One really needs to listen to those songs collectively as if they were one track.
So you can sleep soundly that when it comes to slaughtering civilians, we really suck at it.
leftisright |
Please, go away. Now.
Sarah Deere
Sarah,
Testicles...pate...ya think?
My Mom still has a very hard time talking about growing up in Germany during the Second World War and being bombed, having friends killed, having her brother maimed and dying, starving and scavenging food and firewood, etc., etc. Helluva childhood.
War hurts EVERYONE.
Period.
When we count the costs of war we seldom include the costs for the next generations. Fathers and now mothers coming back broken. Then passing their pain on to the children. I know what I speak of here.
Good hearted humans die to some degree when they witness the unspeakable torment that people joyfully inflict on others.
And yet, they learn how to continue to contribute to the common good.
These were wonderful people who stepped into the breach in the 30's and 40's when the world was convulsing around them, and their progeny needs to do better by them.
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pez,you always make me laugh.tonight,I want to do something definitive and bold to stop the madness
.... to be hushed up by a bark from Harrison's lead guitar...
stranger
Wah, anhh!
then maybe 13000 of 26000000 civilians have been slaughtered - about 1/20th of one percent.
America's new ad campaign?
"America: We're Not As Bad As Hitler!"
No, I don't think that's going to work...
Just trying to help you sleep, Sarah Deere. You said you were having troubles. I've pointed out how your worries were unfounded.
A little thanks would be enough.
"One death is too many when we went into this war." --mer
But millions tortured and murdered under Saddam was just fine? Oh, you mean AMERICAN deaths? Or maybe you're thinking deaths under Saddam were probably justified and/or accidental, while Coalition forces - under orders to slaughter - killed civilians intentionally.
Can you please clarify, mer? I want to understand your thinking processes.
Freedom is not effortless, it doesn't survive long unless defended from those few who would deny it. Your freedoms were hard earned, and sometimes people die so that others - like you, and like 99.95% of Iraqis - may live free.
Perhaps you think those lives were wasted.
Nite Auntie GWPDA,
That is a group of actors worthy of mention. 'Shadow of a Doubt" on TCM. Thornton Wilder, Alfred Hitchcock, Joseph Cotten....
Goddess Echidne of the snakes,
You are a dear, and thanks for not making the rest of us suffer through that awful movie.
And to think that all of this carnage is brought to us courtesy of lies and deception.
I'm sorry, but like Sarah, I'm ashamed.
The stupid insurgents are killing more people every day! That only shows how desperate they are!
Note the no-lose approach, btw. If insurgent (Hersh points out that we should use a different word -- "insurgent" implies that we've already won and the "insurgents" are refusing to accept reality) attacks taper off: they're growing weaker every day! We're winning! If attacks increase, that only shows that the insurgents are becoming progressively more desperate! We're winning!
.... to be hushed up by a bark from Harrison's lead guitar...
Wah, anhh!
That's what I'm talkin' about!
The solo on 'GM, GM' is one of Harrison's best in the Beatles context. And it's almost as though he recorded those two tracks straight through, because he cooks on the reprise, too.
Seraphiel
You missed my point, of course.
My issue was with the word "slaughtered." Anyone who argues that we "slaughter" Iraqi civilians is either a liar or a fool.
Who here dares to be the next liar/fool?
Go on, don't be shy.
Ignore the Useless Timewaster like he conveniently ingnores the other places in the world that have very bad dictators that slaughter people that we don't invade to give them Democracy because they don't really have anything we can use.
Ignore it like that.
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So, what will victory in Iraq look like? It is not possible, but when dear leader decides (if he does) that the time has come to significantly reduce the numbers of troops there, once again victory will be declared. Of course if Bush never reduces troops before leaving office, the Democrat elected in '08 will certainly reduce numbers.... at least we can hope. And as far as us "understanding" Iraqi culture, just imagine the fundamentalist muslims as republicans, I think we can all relate....
and like 99.95% of Iraqis - may live free.
You stupid asshole. 99.95% of a diminishing population, which includes women and children.
Live free?
Don't be ridiculous.
In October, before the war started in March - but apparently after the Chimp decided to go to war - I received the manuscript from my Brother in Law that eventually turned into my book. While the airwaves were full of the call to arms, I was feverishly writing the story of a simple family and their experiences during WWII. I can tell you absolutely that the contrast could not have been greater. I wrote the story, feeling every deprivation the Germans meted out while these fools were calling for a war without reason. No dissenting voices were allowed to be heard. Instead we were bombarded endlessly with images of the glory of war. Well, as I wrote, I felt the glory of war and it was terrible.
I have no use for people who seek to kill others for reasons that are not sufficient. I believe history will judge the American harshly for this action. And I believe that is just.
then maybe 13000 of 26000000 civilians have been slaughtered - about 1/20th of one percent.
That is probably the stupidest troll remark I have ever heard. Gee,and less than 3000 people died in 9/11, an even smaller fraction of the U.S. population. Why all the big upset? OBL sucks even worse at killing innocent civilians.
leftisrigh, so why are we not in Sudan? Why are we not in Zimbabwe? Why are we not doing something about the horrible human rights violations in Saudi Arabia?
Isn't the freedom of the Sudanese worth the same as the freedom of the Iraqis?
Well, we probably need to be in Africa as well then.
My issue was with the word "slaughtered."
You, like others of your ignorant ilk, don't know the meaning of the word.
I think Swopa and others berating Bennet on this article are perhaps missing the bigger significance of the article. This is, to my knowledge, the first high profile story in the MSM that points out the (what should be) obvious fact that the US doesn't know who they're fighting, why the insurgents are fighting, or how to stop them. Just stating such an obvious fact is a big step forward. Whether or not Bennet is himself similarly clueless, he is right, it would seem, that those leading the US effort in Iraq are clueless as charged; or else the MSM has simply not found out from them the answers to the above questions and relayed them back to us. So for all of the faults with Bennet's article, the main point is on target, long overdue, and really important to get out.
War hurts EVERYONE.
Period.
MisterX
Fathers and now mothers coming back broken. Then passing their pain on to the children. I know what I speak of here.
So, so true. Generations of families in Iraq and the US will suffer for this nightmare. It never seemed to occur to BushCo that our country fought back when our rulers became unbearable. Democracy cannot happen when we decide "time's up, dictator!" Fuck.
nobody in this country could even imagine,the sights the smell,the sounds of horrible violent un deserved death in the mean streets
Sorry for feeding it, it was just such a supremely idiotic remark.
leftisright , the "point" is on top of your head. If you are serious, you are deluded. If you are just a troll, you are unconscionable. Go away. I have precious few manners left, and you tempt me to disregard those few.
Diane, yes, pate. You nailed it.
bigvic: I take it you mean when our country decides "time's up, dictator!" - I believe that democracy here will only happen when we the people tell GW "time's up, dictator!" - like in '06 when we take back the House and start impeachment hearings.
leftisright,
Do you enjoy war?
Do you revel in the irreversible damage across generations that war necessarily precipitates?
Is it *always* the only solution to roll M1Abrams through a country?
There is no other way to get what you want?
And what is it that you want?
I heard *nothing* in the public forum from powerful Republicans in the 90's about the need to re-invade Iraq immediately after Poppy's Tie A Yellow Ribbon Desert Storm campaign took care of *all* the threats emanating from that country.
Until his drunk-ass son, who is own parents thought very little of his political acumen, said, "Let's get it on!"
Really, at long last, what the fuck is it that you fucking parasites want?
You're sucking the US nation host dry, down to a fucking husk, and you're still wanting more!
Fuck off, already!
I believe history will judge the American harshly for this action. And I believe that is just.
DWD
I agree. I just hope the guilty are punished this round.
Yikes! "Testicles" and "pate" again. Pardon me while I don my cast-iron codpiece...
You missed my point, of course.
Nah.
You just didn't have one.
ScottA, that's true. If Iraq were a 12-step program, I guess we're getting to step 1, where the U.S. admits it is powerless to control Iraq, and the war has become unmanageable.
Pez, you rock.
then maybe 13,000 of 26,000,000 civilians have been slaughtered - about 1/20th of one percent.
We seemed to get pretty upset when 3,000 out of 290,000,000 were killed. According to leftisright losing only 1/1000 of one percent should not have bothered us at all.
Of course this kind of comparison is ridiculous anyhow. One death is one too many.
Talking about "slaughter", how many agree with this statement?
An average of 43,200 Americans are slaughtered on our roads and highways every year.
Do you believe this appropriately characterizes the situation? If not, how do you think it should be phrased?
What's that annoying whining sound?
Pez, you rock.
pie
Word.
SD
So, we've royally screwed up in Iraq, causing thousands (at the very least) of unnecessary deaths. What do we do now?
How about we meet with the UN and admit that and ask for help. Of course, I would suggest that someone other than Mr. Bolton be present.
We withdraw our troops, to be replaced by UN peacekeepers comprised of soldiers from those nations who knew we screwed up to provide temporary security.
Civil war? Perhaps. How is that different than what is going on now?
Humiliation for the US? Perhaps. How is that different that what is going on now?
Oh my, it is extremely stupid? Isn't it?
It's time to get after the sonofabitch who started this in the first place.
I wonder how leftisright feels when one of its family is killed by a terrorist or drunk driver.
- I believe that democracy here will only happen when we the people tell GW "time's up, dictator!" - like in '06 when we take back the House and start impeachment hearings.
I won't be satisfied till GWB, the Dick and Rummy are hauled off to the Hague in chains. I want justice, nothing more.
Somehow car accidents seem different to me than getting killed by a suicide bomber. Of course, maybe it's just me.
Just got here after almost more
than a day.
Can somebody give me the short
version?
By the way, this is really me,
in case that's an issue.
Define "definition".
Devine divination.
Which reminds me, I really hate "deveined" shrimp. They cook differently.
I hope that will bring about the Ignoring. The fact that it has been dead wrong on every issue it has raised. Not deluded, nor biased. Merely completely stupid.
who would the Iraqi factions trust now? King Abdullah,hes not exactly his fathers son though
Hey Steve. Good to see you. We have a particularly stupid troll but the concensus is that we are getting screwing up in Iraq. As if that were a surprise.
"Do you believe this appropriately characterizes the situation? If not, how do you think it should be phrased?
leftisright"
What's that annoying whining sound?
MisterX
MrX, I don't know, but it seems to be getting fainter...and fainter...I don't hear it so much any more.......which is pleasant, not to hear it.....
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steve simels! It's always "really you".
Just another Satday Nite in the City of the Dead.
For the record, I think instead of "chincilla" of truth you mean "scintialla," or trace, of truth.
Nonetheless, I think "chinchillas of truth" is a lovely image, and I'd love to set them on the Bush admin and wingers in general. If Ashcroft was scared of calico cats, just think what these little rodents of truth could do.
Hey,me too. What Steve said, I just started skimming.
Which reminds me, I really hate "deveined" shrimp. They cook differently.
MisterX |
Oh, no! Never de-vein shrimp until they've been cooked!!!
Really. Truly!
DWD:
Does it have a familiar odor?
Oh great, now we get spam. I wonder if this is an indvidual event or whether someone has figured out how to spam threads as if they were addresses.
It is just stupid, like TV. I just ignore it
Oh, no! Never de-vein shrimp until they've been cooked!!!
Really. Truly!
At least, leave the shells on.
Good night (again), all. Sweet dreams.
Old Joe Goldner just threw a curveball at my head. Doubletake. Hahaha.
Does James Bennet seriously fucking think that Che Guevara would consider Iraq to have a legitimate government??
If the insurgency is trying to overthrow this regime, it is contending with a formidable obstacle that successful rebels of the 20th century generally did not face: A democratically elected government. One of the last century's most celebrated theorists and practitioners of revolution, Che Guevara, called that obstacle insurmountable.
"Where a government has come to power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality," he wrote, "the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted."
And again I must ask you:
Dear GWB,
Time's UP, fucking unelectd dictator.
Have we told you how embarrassed you have made us? You have. Have we told you you are the worst installed punk-assed dictator this country has ever seen? Well, you are. What a fucking disaster on wheels.
I've been reading a few other blogs and I've noticed people complaining about getting a ton of German spam. I'm starting to get a bunch of it too. Anybody else?
Sarah Deere - You're right, I don't hear it any more. Cool
And, wow, "Joe Goldner", that's some stinky spam ya just pooped in the middle of this thread! Begone, foul creature!
Oh, no! Never de-vein shrimp until they've been cooked!!!
Really. Truly!
At least, leave the shells on.
Good night (again), all. Sweet dreams.
pie |
pie speaks absolute truth, shrimp-wise. The goddess's OWN Truth.
Oh, great. One of those nights where no one will say hi.
I'm changing my name to Dr. Nick.
The byline for that piece says everything: 'Washington'.
'night, pie. sweet dreams your own self.
hi, mena!
Nite, sweetie pie! Peaceful dreams.
Hey Mary! And goodnight pie, i see.
Dumb question:
How bad was the mummy movie?
Mansquito bad, or just crappy.....
Here's a wacky thought: Asymmetrical warfare should lack symmetry.
Thank you, I'll be here all week.
mena,
Have I told you lately how much I adore you?
Kiss kiss.
Whoa, Steve, did you let a spammer in behid you? I gotta Increase the effectivesness of my Internet Prescence.
I had dinner in West Viginia the other evening with a close relative, a strange and crazy bisexual in the Army Reserve. Busted out of Regular for pot years ago. Not so much gung-ho on the war as trusting of the Establishment. Couldn't defend one aspect of the conduct of this ridiculous bullying excercise, nor any defense of the bosses. I said I was ashamed of them. "I am, too. that's why I don't want to go, and hope they don't call me. This isn't about dieing for your country."
Freedom is not effortless, it doesn't survive long unless defended from those few who would deny it.
And which regiment are you in? The 101st Fighting Keyboardists?
hi, mena!!!
hi, steve!
For the record, I think instead of "chincilla" of truth you mean "scintialla," or trace, of truth.
Yes, that is an Eschatonian privilege that I picked up from WGG.
Mansquito bad, or just crappy.....
I can't watch that shit, so don't ask me. 2 minutes of that crap and my eyes glaze over.
Oh, by the way 
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May 14, 1970 - Lest we forget
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Oh, no! Never de-vein shrimp until they've been cooked!!!
Really. Truly!
Sarah Deere
Hell, I never devein shrimp! I figure it's an easy way to get your vegetables!
(see, the shrimp eats phytoplankton, and that builds up in it's digestive tract as "shrimp poo", but I consider it "salad")
Almost Completely Off Topic: I literally have over 800 recipes that involve shrimp. And I've made a great deal of them to varying successes.
And then that fucking "Forest Gump" movie came out.
Sheesh.
mena: hi!
tonight's Eschatic activities: enthusiastic mummyblogging w/many of the usual suspects on lower threads
this thread is your average generally anti Iraqi adventure thread with a couple of irrelevancies.
I felt robbed by that flick, and I'm not even into women's underwear as a film fetish. I can only imagine the pain felt by those who have one.
So, are we being told again that things are going just swimmingly in the ME?
Please. That is just so old.
Hi, NYMary!
Escheisse
no, no German spam.
I think we all agree the mummy movie was worse than Mansquito, crippled as it was by the lack of wings.
On the plus side, I won a million dollars by calling the heroic death of Robert Wagner, so that's something.
Oh, kisses back to you, sweet bigvic!
What are you all talking about today? I had the nicest chat today with a very literate fellow who builds wooden boats. A hater of boosh and all things repub. We fell upon each other llike old friends. It's always good to meet new people who are sane.
I am getting German spam.
And again I must ask you:
wtfwjd?
none of what has been done so far.
"Why didn't they just turn it off? That's what I did when Forrest Gump started running."
-- John Waters, on people who rent "Pink Flamingos" after seeing "Hairspray" and subsequently call the police to compain about the filth
Hi, Mena.
And we can't tell you about the Mummy movie, steve, we're watching "Shadow of a Doubt" on Turner Classics. Joseph Cotten and Theresa Wright, and Hume Cronyn.
To be fair, Bennett faced a double deadline of finishing his mummy script.
I am getting German spam.
mag
There's some horrific German/WW2 joke in there somewhere, but I'm not looking for it...
"Do you enjoy war?"
No, but it is interesting to understand war as it has been waged through the ages and today. The more we understand it, the more we can mitigate it horrible side effects.
"Do you revel in the irreversible damage across generations that war necessarily precipitates?"
No. Instead I feel proud in the overwhelming positive effect on human history when a just war is waged and won - defeating global fascist ambitions. Wounds heal. Oppression is endless.
"Is it *always* the only solution to roll M1Abrams through a country?"
No, that is only a last resort. What you don't seem to understand that there are in fact times when military force is justified. The justifications may be debatable, even among those on the same side.
"There is no other way to get what you want? And what is it that you want?"
What? To have MIAbrams rolling? Of course not. What a silly accusation.
"I heard *nothing* in the public forum from powerful Republicans in the 90's about the need to re-invade Iraq immediately after Poppy's Tie A Yellow Ribbon Desert Storm blah blah blah..."
You weren't listening. Just as you weren't listening throughout 2002 when numerous rationales for resorting to military confrontation were put forth and voted upon by Congress.
"Really, at long last, what the fuck is it that you fucking parasites want?"
I'll tell you, if you promise to pay attention this time.
Well, speaking for myself, I want much less political rancor going on while our nation is in the process of making the hard but necessary choices to ensure the continued spread of freedom.
Neither I nor anyone can "silence your dissent" - you all have dissented your hearts out at literally everything the government in power has done. And you're free to continue to dissent. But I have this idea that if some of the readers here get a chance to hear some reasoned "counter-dissent" - some disagreement - then they like Sarah Deere, hopefully, might sleep better and live happier lives.
I think far and away the most troubling and outright false aspect of the worldview on display here is characterization of Republicans, or The Right (or anyone we disagree with) here. You guys somehow find a way to praise yourselves for your intelligence, tolerance for differences, and ability to engage in reasoned debate - yet I see precious little of this in practice. Any thoughtful person who has come to different conclusions on the pressing issues of the day is treated by all as a subject of ridicule, profanity, scorn and insults.
"What I want" is to see some of you come back into the the universe of reason and humanity.
Does this fucking explanation fucking help you to fucking understand, fucker? Fuck! Fuck fuck fuck!
And again I must ask you:
wtfwjd?
none of what has been done so far.
Sarah Deere
Fake Jesus tripe. I detest phoney *religious* types that call for death and destruction. Very anit-Christ-like.
I realize this is OT, so
forgive me:
Does anybody here have a copy
of "Plants and Birds and Rocks
and Things" by the Loud Family?
Great title, obscure great band.
I'm interested in trading something
for it.
And now, back to the mummy thread.
Already in progress.
You know, this Bennett fellow sems to be pretty confused about what insurgency is and what it does. I humbly recommend to him Franz Fanon's In the Fifth Year of the Algerian Revolution, which is as good a study of insurgency as I've ever seen.
Oh, right, the wingnuts hate Fanon. Guess they're doomed to remain ignorant.
Mister X - it was a rather stark statement but someone asked above if anyone else had been getting German spam.
And this is the part on Sprockets where we dance.
Hey Everybody!!
No german spam, but, since my surname is norwegian, I often get email from unknown folks entirely in swedish or norwegian.
Usually, I just get the wacky Viagra spam, from, say, Peculiar J. Numbnuts.
Hey! I just got my first piece of German spam!!
Oh, by the way -
May 14, 1970 - Lest we forget
-
QuentinCompson
Quentin, I am ashamed to my marrow not to have known about this.
Mea summa culpa.
No, but it is interesting to understand war as it has been waged through the ages and today. The more we understand it, the more we can mitigate it horrible side effects.
War's "side effects"?
You get ridiculed because you are not engaged in "reasoned debate"; you're ridiculous.
A hater of boosh and all things repub. We fell upon each other llike old friends. It's always good to meet new people who are sane.
mena
Heh. We had a discussion about carpenters (think Jesus) at our Drinking Liberally group last week. They seem to have a divine profession. Carpenters, that is.
Quentin - I have a terrible feeling that Kent and Jackson State are more, and not less, likely to occur again.
I have been thinking about this all day – especially after attending a lecture by Don Sylvan last night, where he talked about what makes terrorists tick. One terrorist approach is the organizational type, where leaders entice people to join and then use loyalty to persuade them to stay and participate. This is NOT like a cult.
Dr. Sylvan went on to say that ~ 70% of organizational members do not approve of the terrorist acts that the organization condones. Hamas is this type of terrorist group. They run soup kitchens and I envision the terrorist acts as perpetrated by their well-armed equivalent to our PACs.
Reasons for committing terrorist acts range from righteous individuals committed to perpetrating symbolic acts against the hegemon, to those doing it for the glamour, respect and prestige because, you know, ‘chicks dig it’. Probably the most powerful reason is economics. The economic situation absolutely correlates to the level of violence encountered. There are probably as many reasons for people becoming suicide bombers or insurgents as there are seconds in the day. I think our main problem is figuring out appropriate responses to the exponentially expanding shitstorm of blowback we encounter. As J.S. says, it’s a whole lot of Mess-o-potamia.
It's almost bizarre, hell, it it bazarre to see that kind of reporting. Recognizing the problem of Vietnam and yet blaming the rebels for not learning the lesson...
Oh my.
More OT:
Has anyone here read Confessions of an Economic Hitman?
What did you think? Was it believable?
wtfwjd? -- yes, at least my friends who are in a position to know say so.
steve,
I have some Loud Family, but it's not where I thought it was. Give me some time to look for it; I might.
Can we say the beginnings of a Civil War?
Oh, by the way -
May 14, 1970 - Lest we forget
-
QuentinCompson
Yeah. Soul searching.
I busted in on some threads last week about Kent.
There was *some* civil unreat in each case, and we can't come to the table to resolve differences if the table is on fire.
But in Kent's case, the table was smoldering in the corner days before when the Guard said "OK, cool", then wheeled and fired into the campus blue, hitting any and all within 60 to 700 feet away.
The immediate Guard PR was that "a sniper had fired upon us". Neither a 4 month Hoover FBI inquiry, nor a John Mitchell Justice Department inquiry, nor any local and state criminal or civil inquiry found any such thing.
At Jackson State, a *mob* of 100 non-antiwar, but anti-bigot people were cornered in front of a dorm. A schload of state troopers and city cops kept crowding them closer and closer in an inexcusable tightening of tension, until a "bottle was smashed", or a "pistol was fired from a dorm room" (neither was substantiated).
The cops then unloaded 500 shotgun, pistol and rifle rounds into the crowd and the dormitory's outer wall.
I'll repeat that.
The cops then unloaded 500 shotgun, pistol and rifle rounds into the crowd and the dormitory's outer wall.
They picked up their spent shells before determining if an ambulance neede to be summoned.
Pez, wasn't trying to criticize. As I said, I love the image of rodents of truth out to inflict justice on rightwing liars. Sometimes I just can't resist the urge to correct usage for the record.
Maybe we need a Chincillas of Truth brigade to counter Bush lies. Flyers, posters? Letters to papers and Congress critters. Sign your name, and add Chinchillas of Truth. Should catch people's attention, and increase the chance that they'll pay attention.
Any good designers are welcome to the idea. I'll buy a T-shirt, but I'd most like a hat. I collect hats, and wear one whenever I go out.
"Yo! she witch!!
Let's go."
Oh wait. We're not movie blogging anymore are we.
Bummer.
I felt robbed by that flick
Oh, I dunno. I thought it was everything I expected, and more...
Will Ferrell on SNL. Might it actually be funny?
"Yo! she witch!!
Let's go."
Oh wait. We're not movie blogging anymore are we.
I thought you were talking to the troll!
We will. Keeps me awake every goddamned night.
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 10:14 pm | #
You're losing sleep, but Bush is sleeping like a baby. Or maybe he is haunted by the needless deaths of thousands of unarmed men, women and children?
"My conscience hath a thousand several tongues,
And every tongue brings in a several tale,
And every tale condemns me for a villain." Richard III
Seen on a bumper-sticker today, a riff on Patrie, Famille, Travail
Annoy a Liberal
Work-Succeed-Be Happy
If it weren't for the invaders, there would be no insurgents.
Rather than employing the classic rebel tactic of provoking the foreign forces to use clumsy and excessive force and kill civilians, they are cutting out the middleman and killing civilians indiscriminately themselves
I think that there has been quite enough of "clumsy and excessive force". Is this reporter encouraging more?
Nite, good Moonbats. It's been fun.
Peace out.
leftisright.
I have to conclude that you are young. I read this:
"What you don't seem to understand that there are in fact times when military force is justified. The justifications may be debatable, even among those on the same side."
and, I think, this is a young person in the thrall of his/her first philosophic hard-on. This is a oyung person who has grasped one idea, one notion, and, liking it, has not tested or challenged it.
War is not abtract. Death is not abtract.
Please, learn humility, listen, learn, question - absolutely questtion! We old farts don't know everything, or even much of anything - but we do know a few things worth knowing.
Just don't come stomping in among us in your big, muddy boots expecting us to be dumb as stumps.
Sugar, you have miles to go, and much to study.
When I say I lose sleep over the slaughter this country has committed in Iraq, I'm no idiot. I know ehereof I speak, and my guilt is not just some outfit of the moment I slip on to feel fashionable in. You insult me when you interpret otherwise. I know you didn't think that's what you were doing, but you were.
I do have a brain, dear.
Anyway...sometimes you do yourself as many favors as not by listening before proclaiming.
Bedways be rightways for me, friends and fellow moonbats. Rest well, and don't keep Thers up too late!
Night Mary, I am off shortly as well.
Shit. That high-pitched whining sound is back.
Later, bigvic-gator!
Goodnight bigvic. and NYMary. That's what I get for coming in late. I'm running out to pick up some hamburgers for the crew, but I'll be right back. I can hardly wait to hear whether the mummy did it.
Bloody New Age Tamurlane in central Asia mows down 500 protesters but since there is a US base in the country, this is okay. Tamurlane pulls out the "Islamic card" to suppress legitimate protest.
Goodnight, moonbats!
Later, bigvic-gator!
In a while, Misterx-odile!
Goodnight, NYMary.
Goodnight, DWD-boy.
Goodnight, Moon.
Goodnight, everybody.
Everybody, everywhere-- good night.
Andrew Sarris has a great essay on "Shadow of a Doubt" detailing all the doubling parallels between uncle and niece Charlie--the shared name is only the most obvious.
Sarris talks more about visual motifs, shared tastes and antipathies. I'd link but it doesn't seem to be online.
There are so many great scenes here, like the little sister explaining why it's OK to cut recipes out of library books.
You're losing sleep, but Bush is sleeping like a baby. Or maybe he is haunted by the needless deaths of thousands of unarmed men, women and children?
Didn't Bush recently say that he enjoyed being President? He appears to have absolutely no understanding of suffering or any empathy for anyone. I think he sleeps just fine.
He appears to have absolutely no understanding of suffering or any empathy for anyone.
That's a common symptom among sociopaths.
Oh man, Alfred Hitchcock knew how to do suspense.
Oh well, if everybody else is
putting on their jammies and
retiring...
Talk to you guys in the morning!!!
Sleep well......
boshie i fear is never awake,he is sleepwalking through our decline
portia and _league. Bush is not human. He is a media creation, as he himself has admitted.
He is not real.
He is...what? Sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Later, bigvic-gator!
In a while, Misterx-odile!
Karin
HAH! For some reason that just doesn't sound right...
If Bush said he enjoys being president, then he has proven both of my hypotheses about him--he hates the job and he's a pathological liar.
and now ,my own golden slumber..niteall
Hi y'all. I had a long day, so just stopping in to bring you a song that 'splains the state of the world today:
http://gbresume0.tripod.com/
site...USEIGOTHIGH.mp3
Have a great weekend.
Will Ferrell on SNL. Might it actually be funny?
wtfwjd? | Email | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 11:36 pm | #
The Jeopardy skit was excellent. I find those to be so hilarious!
That is, rather obviously, not pie.
Ugh. Don't wingnuts ever choke on their mouthfuls of bs?
des
He is...what? Sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Sarah Deere
Yes. Ron Susskind said that they create their own reality - but history will not look kindly on this maladministration.
I doubted a poster above who claimed that chinchillas were rodents, so I looked it up. Yes they are, but minks are in the weasel family. I guess they're closer in my mother's closet than in taxonomy.
"That's a common symptom among sociopaths."
There appears to be a pandemic of it lately amongst the Republicans.
Fuck. Unity and solidarity seem like such easily understood concepts with blazingly apparent benefits.
Democrat to break ranks, unveil retirement bill
Sat May 14, 2005 04:27 PM ET
By Caren Bohan
WASHINGTON, May 14 (Reuters) - A Florida Democratic congressman plans to unveil next week a proposal to bolster Social Security finances, in a break with his party's rejection of a White House push to revamp the retirement system.
The proposal by Florida U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler would raise taxes on those making more than $90,000 a year, with a goal of relieving expected financial strains on Social Security as the baby-boom generation retires, a spokeswoman said. Wexler is to unveil the plan on Monday at a luncheon in his district.
etc
--------------
It's not a question of whether I would support Wexler's idea. It's a question of training, discipline and sacrifice winning wars.
Bleh.
Blueberry cake, anyone?
sallyh:
I'm totally confused - How did you already watch 42' mummies when it just started on the left coast?
And did you save me any cake?
FREEP THIS POLL ON FILLIBUSTERS!!!
http://www.cnn.com/
Bottom of page.
Flory--we have satellite and get it at the same time as the east coast.
Of course I saved cake for you!
portia, I hope *history* disembowels this maladministration.
And lays it bare.
Well, looks like most of us want to keep the filibuster.
g'night, John-boy
...or not
I think Wexler should have the party's approval before he presents this. I might like his plan, but he's breaking ranks, which is not something he should do right now.
SarahD, I'd like to see history flay this administration, and then keelhaul it. And I'd like to watch.
And yes please, Sallh, I'd love some cake.
Did the mummy do it, or was it the butler?
sallyh, oh, yes, thanks. Just made a cup of decaf, and the cake will go wonderfully with it.
Perhaps we should bombard Mr. Wexler's office?
Heh. Will Ferrell's hosting SNL, and just appeared on stage with the musical guest in full-on gyrating cowbell mode...
I thought you were talking to the troll!
I'm not speaking to any trolls.
I just hooked up my new DVD deck, which seems to work delightfully well.
Why is everyone going to bed so early? did the mummy tire them out?
And to whoever was wondering if Bush sleeps at night, sorry, but he sleeps just fine.
He thinks jeebus made him president and that everything is hunky dory. I still hate him.
There's a reason I call it Kinfucky (with apologies to any and all lovely Kentuckians who might be here):
Bill Introduced in Kentucky House to Make Most IV Fertilization Illegal
4Legs--did you get cake?
I doubted a poster above who claimed that chinchillas were rodents, so I looked it up. Yes they are, but minks are in the weasel family. I guess they're closer in my mother's closet than in taxonomy.
Draco
I was raised by wolverines, by the way.
Just sayin'.
portia, I hope *history* disembowels this maladministration.
I hope some kind of natural disaster disembowels everyone in this administration. For real.
Though I'd be satisfied with spontaneous human combustion.
So, who are y'all rooting for on The Apprentice, "Book Smarts", or "Street Smarts"?
I'm rooting for bees. Lots and lots of angry bees.
MisterX--but you don't allow Missy and Master X to keep them as pets, do you?
4Legs--did you get cake?
I did, and it was delicious!!
Now I'm baking some oatmeal chocolate chip cookies.
I'll even share.
I wonder if Jacob Silj will make an appearance on Weekend Update...
What the FUCK does AssRocket advocate then? Nuking ALL of IRAQ?
AssRocket needs to Celebrated Diversly.
"I'm rooting for bees. Lots and lots of angry bees."
Eli--think we could get Scifi interested in the concept?
I'm rooting for bees. Lots and lots of angry bees.
I'm rooting for mansquito to come and bite donald trump's head off so I don't ever have to see his awful combover again.
Eli--think we could get Scifi interested in the concept?
I think it would be impossible not to.
Heh. Will Ferrell's hosting SNL, and just appeared on stage with the musical guest in full-on gyrating cowbell mode...
Eli
There's no reprising the original.
It's like, well, the Rutles.
I'd love some blueberry cake, especially if they're wild blueberries.
"Now I'm baking some oatmeal chocolate chip cookies.'
oooh!!!
Post your recipe at Madame Poissoniere's!
evening, freethinking moonbats. what's shakin?
Karin--they're fresh and organic, but not wild, alas. Wild blueberries best. Enjoy.
SNL - John Bolton
Does it occur to you that the Bush administration nominates a fuckin' asshole as UN ambassador because they consider the UN a joke and so they nominate a joke for the position?
Eli--think we could get Scifi interested in the concept?
I volunteer to write the script.
It's about how evil genetically engineered bees menace the set of a reality show. They were created by an evil troll who is obsessed with fake tits and combovers.
The day will be saved by a handsome cat named Sam, who, after being liberated from the evil monster nTodd, swoops in to chase away the bees.
Afterwards, everyone has cake.
So, who are y'all rooting for on The Apprentice, "Book Smarts", or "Street Smarts"?
I'm rooting for bees. Lots and lots of angry bees.
Next season I hear one of the contestants is an Ent.
Eli, 4Legs--I stipulate that the bees must be carnivorous and win at the end. This should be easy, since by then we will have found the genetic markers that make people into Republicans.
Post your recipe at Madame Poissoniere's!
Since it's so short, I'll post it here.
Go to store, buy bag of Betty Crocker cookie mix.
Dump in bowl, add egg, oil and water. Mix and spoon onto cookie sheet.
Cook.
Eat.
Yummy!!!
MisterX--but you don't allow Missy and Master X to keep them as pets, do you?
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
Good lord, no! They're my parents. Sheesh.
Man, you Anti-Rodentials are all alike!
Wolverines: We Rub Our Stench On You Personally
Carnivorous bees would be the bees', um... knees.
The Sci-Fi network tells us this is the 20th anniversary of "Highlander."
Who knew?
Carnivorous bees would be the bees', um... knees.
Eli
Jus' drive 'em all into the Astrodome and turn the cooler on.
4Legs, Eli--can we work Sam the Action cat in? Sam really is a leading man type.
"What you don't seem to understand that there are in fact times when military force is justified. The justifications may be debatable, even among those on the same side."
and, I think, this is a young person in the thrall of his/her first philosophic hard-on. This is a oyung person who has grasped one idea, one notion, and, liking it, has not tested or challenged it.
I would be just too easy to say the same of you. You give no reasons for this semi-erotic put down, but rest in the assumptions of you own intellectual superiority. In fact, I’ve been following current events since 1972 and informally studying history since 1982. I used to be a pacifist, until I’d absorbed enough history to realize how dangerous pacifism would be if widely adopted.
War is not abtract. Death is not abtract.
But to be understood, one can use abstractions to put these otherwise personally and emotionally wrenching occurences in to perspective. Allah help you if you are unable to rise above the heartbreak to understand the more fully the natural human forces that underly conflict and loss. I don’t know war personally, but I’ve read quite a bit on it out of intellectual curiousity. I do know death personally, including senseless death. Don’t lecture me, missy!
Please, learn humility, listen, learn, question - absolutely questtion! We old farts don't know everything, or even much of anything - but we do know a few things worth knowing. Just don't come stomping in among us in your big, muddy boots expecting us to be dumb as stumps.
That’s the most troubling part. You guys AREN’T dumb as stumps. Yet here you are saying what you’re saying and acting like your acting – seldom questioning your own orthodoxies and presumed “truths.”
Why am I here? I don’t know – I guess I’d spend a few keystrokes of my time headfirst into the lions’ den to see if I can make a point. I know I’m not going to make a whiff of difference, but at least I’m trying to do what I think is right and good.
When I say I lose sleep over the slaughter this country has committed in Iraq, I'm no idiot. I know ehereof I speak, and my guilt is not just some outfit of the moment I slip on to feel fashionable in. You insult me when you interpret otherwise. I know you didn't think that's what you were doing, but you were.
I was using your comments as an example of the senseless hyperbole and misinformation so casually tossed about here – unchallenged and uncritically accepted. I don’t know squat about you, and wouldn’t presume to.
One more thing, Sarah Deere, sometimes you do yourself as many favors as not by listening before proclaiming.
Eli, 4Legs--I stipulate that the bees must be carnivorous and win at the end.
Okay, alternate ending.
The carniverous bees take over the world, but the good eschatonians escape in an alien space craft we discover while playing softball at EschaCon and make our escape to a pristine world orbiting around a G type star in a far away galaxy. The planet has ponies!! enough for everyone!! and a mineral in the soil makes them sparkle!!
The bees didn't want us anyway. They only like the taste of crazy people.
Then we eat cake. And cookies! and chocolate covered strawberries!
Does it occur to you that the Bush administration nominates a fuckin' asshole as UN ambassador because they consider the UN a joke and so they nominate a joke for the position?
Bgno64
Seriously, I don't understand the reason behind the Bolton nomination. Does Bush actually believe that he is the best choice? He lacks the qualities of a true diplomat.
I don't buy the "he's a tough guy and the UN needs to be reformed" line.
LeftisRight
Go fuck yourself -- and then die you warmongering motherfucker.
I found out this afternoon that my 29 year old second cousin died in Iraq about two weeks ago. That branch of the family tree is now officially extinct.
So, LeftisRight, you can take your crap-filled rational for war and stuff it up your ass. You and the other uber-patriots of the 101st Keyboarders had better never speak where I can reach you -- unless you sign up, you cowardly dribble of spunk, and die for what you claim you believe is a worthy cause in which other people should die. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
4Legs, Eli--can we work Sam the Action cat in? Sam really is a leading man type.
Did you not read my original treatment?
Madame!! pay attention!!
Or Superdome.
I'm Dome-deficient.
Toonscribe, my god. I am sorry for your loss.
I used to be a pacifist, until I’d absorbed enough history to realize how dangerous pacifism would be if widely adopted.
(Shakes Head)
Oops, 4Legs, I meant that one for Eli.
Pez, that wouldn't work.
The bees will naturally flock to where the most republicans are.
So they'd only go to a superdome if there was a monster truck rally occuring.
I know I’m not going to make a whiff of difference
"Whit" of difference, dumbass.
Toonscribe, I am so sorry.
My best friend's grandson is in Iraq. We hope he will be home in August, we hope, yet we fear, daily.
I am so sorry for your loss.
SD
sally, okay.
Toonscribe, I'm so sorry.
My cousin's kid is there now, piloting helocopters.
Everytime one goes down I die a little until I find out it's not his.
/cursing, slamming fists upon keyboard/
ok, so it's about a marshmellow balrog, and i can't seem to make a live link work no matter how hard i try today. sigh. anyway, it's from aint it cool news and it's a contest, the winner are really funny; but haloscan hates me and i can't make any of my links work. i'm sorry.
Toonscribe--I am so very, very sorry for your loss. My deepest condolences to you and your loved ones.
Thanks, mena.
He was the only grandchild of my father's only sibling. He was on his second tour in Iraq.
But to be understood, one can use abstractions to put these otherwise personally and emotionally wrenching occurences in to perspective. Allah help you if you are unable to rise above the heartbreak to understand the more fully the natural human forces that underly conflict and loss. I don’t know war personally, but I’ve read quite a bit on it out of intellectual curiousity. I do know death personally, including senseless death. Don’t lecture me, missy!
"Death!?
Whadda y'all know 'bout death?"
Tom Berenger's pre-eminent performance.
Hey, tissue-stain, Platoon wasn't just a bitchin' comabt movie.
And send a copy to your Co-mandateMander in Chief while you are still a civilian.
I am sorry for your trouble, Toonscribe.
I found out this afternoon that my 29 year old second cousin died in Iraq about two weeks ago.
Toonscribe,
That's terrible. Sorry for your loss. I hate this war. My heart breaks for all the families who have suffered from this kind of grief.
Bummer about your cousin, Toonscribe. I'm sorry. My son returned safely from al Anbar recently, but a couple of his close buddies did not make it back.
LeftisRight, plenty of mercenary outfits need the services of true believer retards like yourself, so hie thy ass off to Eyerack, home of the greatest strategic blunder in US history, and do your share.
QC, Army, US, 69-71
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Hi big brother!! Like your movie treatment. You forgot to mention that there will be no trolls on Planet Eschaton.
sallyh - thanks for saving me some cake. But I have this whole bottle of champagne I was saving for us to share while mummyblogging. Do you still want some?
I'm having fun reading you guys mummyblogging while I watch the movie.
Thanks, everybody.
I didn't even know he was back in Iraq.
Sigh. The rabid warmongers make me ill.
I'm sorry, Toonscribe.
"semi-erotic put down,"
are you out of your FUCKING mind?????
apparently so.
Be gone. I'm done with you, you little fuckwad.
Flory--but of course, but now, we toast Toonscribe's cousin, and offer our blessings to him and his family.
Leftisright, if you're still here, you may leave now. This is a fucking wake and you're not invited.
What's going on tonight?
"semi-erotic put down,"
are you out of your FUCKING mind?????
Well, okay, that one kinda was.
Toonscribe, that is awful. Truly.
God-damn this administration that has put so, so many in harm's way.
Again, I am so sorry.
Allah help you if you are unable to rise above the heartbreak to understand the more fully the natural human forces that underly conflict and loss.
"Natural human forces"?
Where are you buying this stuff? Did you keep the receipt?
It's a bit moldy. I wouldn't eat it if I were you.
"Underlie," by the way, though "underly" has its charms.
The Bolton nomination was Georgie's way of thumbing his nose at the UN and the world. I can hear his chuckling when he first thought of the absurd idea. Almost as funny as that skit about looking for the missing WMDs in his office. It seems that he can do anything he wants and get away with it. It is a mad, mad world, isn't it?
I'm also sorry to hear about the death of Toons' second cousin - Toons must be devastated.
I'm also sorry that he cannot appreciate his second cousin's decision to join the military and defend freedom. I'm sorry Toons will forever see his second cousin as a victim and not a hero. Such hatred will take years off your own life, Toons.
I'll go eat shit and die now. I have a movie to watch with the Mrs. Try some sleeping pills, Sarah Deere.
toonscribe - I'm so very sorry about your cousin. He was much too young to die and you have every right to be furious at morans like leftisright and their glib cheerleading for this obscenity of a war.
Toonscribe, what a terrible thing to happen. You have my condolences also.
Leftisright, if you're still here, you may leave now. This is a fucking wake and you're not invited.
And Toby Putzold - you're stupid and ugly and you never were invited.
Toby has Google fired up and is ready to start lying.
Go away, Toby.
Oh? Pissed off that someone brought a mirror into your wretched opium den so that you'll have to see what you look like?
but now, we toast Toonscribe's cousin, and offer our blessings to him and his family.
Ok, I've poured champagne for everyone. Grab a glass and I'd like to offer a toast to toonscribe's cousin.
May his soul be forever at peace.
Don't y'all nauseate yourselves with all your pissing and moaning?
Toonscribe, I am so sorry for your loss.
Bush and the neocon cabal are truly evil for having started this war. I detest them with every fiber of my being.
May his soul be forever at peace.
Best thing about Heaven: No Republicans.
Actually, that might be the definition.
Unfed trolls DIE. Get the picture?
I'm also sorry that he cannot appreciate his second cousin's decision to join the military and defend freedom.
"Defend freedom"?
What, in Iraq?
Not a single dead American in Iraq has increased, nor decreased, American freedom by a whit or ounce.
Sorry, that's the simple fact of the matter.
no, Eli. It wasn't *erotic*.
At least, that was not my intent.
But...I forget....men think differently, and I was insulting by bringing genitals into it.
My bad.
I was going on the old, sexist line that men think with their nuts.
Apologies.
SD
My God, I just saw a local plumbing commercial so incredibly bad, I thought it was a sketch...
I'm also sorry that he cannot appreciate his second cousin's decision to join the military and defend freedom. I'm sorry Toons will forever see his second cousin as a victim and not a hero. Such hatred will take years off your own life, Toons.
Why the fuck can't you understand that 450,000 ordinary young US citizens died in WWII and 62,000 died in Korea and 58,000 dies in Vietnam and they weren't *each one of them* Alvin York, or Audie Murphy.
Some were firing their weapons at the oncoming enemy. Some were trying to get some rest. And some were taking a shit.
They all died. With or wihout medals.
They all died.
I was just messin' with ya, SD. It is my way.
"defending freedom and spreading democracy"...if only it was going to work out that way.
my sympathies, Toonscribe...and deepest thanks, as well. We appreciate the sacrifice your cousin made in our name even though we don't believe he was well-served by his leaders.
I was going on the old, sexist line that men think with their nuts.
Not after Diane stomps them into pate.
(Don't y'all dare feed these motherfucking trolls.)
I'll drink to that.
From Bennett's article:
Instead of saying, 'What's the logic here, we don't see it,' you could speculate, there is no logic here," said Anthony James Joes, a professor of political science at St. Joseph's University in Philadelphia and the author of several books on the history of guerrilla warfare.
No logic?? Is he talking about the reasons for starting the war, or the insurgents?? Neither was logical. It seems the insurgents and the administration are both illogical.
LeftisRight
Don't you ever tell me how I'll see my second cousin, you smarmy sack of shit. He didn't die defending freedom. He died because he wouldn't desert his men. He was offered a training assignment here in the States after his first tour, but turned it down because he didn't want to leave his friends in the lurch when they were going back into the shit. It's not about freedom. It's about keeping faith with the guys in your company. I wish he'd made a different choice, but I can understand that it was the one he felt he had to make if he was going to be able to live with himself. Strange phrase -- "live with himself" -- but you know what I mean.
Neither was logical. It seems the insurgents and the administration are both illogical.
Probably, but I bet the insurgents have a better plan. By default, really.
Goddammit! There's "testicles" and "pate" again!
*runs from room, clutching "the Mrs.", as it were...*
I don't see anything illogical about taking up arms to defend your home. I imagine I would do the same.
eli, I know. That's cool. I'm trying to be pc. I;m an idiot.
I wanted to stomp that little fucker into dust, so was compensating.
Toonscribe,
Your cousin is now resting in peace.
The goal is now for you to find some.
I hope you do.
"He died because he wouldn't desert his men. "
Which proves he was a real human being.
I wanted to stomp that little fucker into dust, so was compensating.
I can't blame you for that. Still better to just ignore them, though - even when they address you directly.
MYMary said something similar earlier, but I'd like to beat Bennett upside the head with my copy of "Peasant Wars of the Twentieth Century".
Neither was logical. It seems the insurgents and the administration are both illogical.
The insurgents' plan is to blow shit up and kill people. And there is no particular reason to believe that they can be prevented from doing so.
The administration's plan never made a lick of sense, militarily. You just can't have an occupation AND a liberation. This is why the BS about "bringing democracy" is so fatuous. You want an open society, or you want to crush an absurdly well-armed insurgency? One or the other, boyos.
We're so fucked...
The insurgents' plan is to blow shit up and kill people. And there is no particular reason to believe that they can be prevented from doing so.
Wait, I thought that was *our* plan.
I'm so confused...
I don't see anything illogical about taking up arms to defend your home. I imagine I would do the same.
mena
Mena, your comments are great, but here, "defending" is destruction. They're not defending anything. They're bitter, formerly well-off, corrupt Army cliques who are angry as hell that their gravy train was derailed.
THAT is logical... but few dare to think that way in Bushland. This admin never does anything wrong, never angers anyone, never hurts anyone. Their actions have no consequences for themselves.
It goes with the territory.
Good evening? What cheery news do you have for me?
Phila--no cheery news, but we've got cake and champagne.
Toonscribe - I am sorrowed to hear of your loss.
RIP
.
Phila--no cheery news, but we've got cake and champagne.
Sallyh
Huh. And here I am having pesto pasta (made with roasted pumpkin seeds!) and a bottle of vitamin water.
First Lt. William A. Edens, 29, of Columbia, Mo., and the others died when a roadside bomb struck their Stryker armored vehicle Thursday in Tal Afar, 90 miles east of the Syrian border, the Army said.
Edens was a 1993 graduate of Mehlville High School, where he was on the water polo and swimming teams. He graduated in May 2003 from the University of Missouri, where he had been enrolled in the Reserve Officers Training Corps, and was sent to Iraq in October, according to friends and Army spokesmen.
"He was a great guy who was proud to be in the Army and serve his country," said Chris Luppens, a Mehlville classmate who was best man in Edens' wedding in August 2003.
Luppens said Edens' wife, Christy, is from St. Louis. On Monday, Luppens spoke for their families.
Luppens said Edens worked for a few years in St. Louis after high school and then attended Moberly Area Community College, where he was student body president and active in theater. He then transferred to Missouri.
He graduated from Mizzou with a degree in Russian and a minor in military science. Stefani Engelstein, an assistant professor of German, said Edens "was a great person to have in class, a man with a fantastic sense of humor who always had the class in stitches. He was proud to be in the Army and thought it was important to serve his country."
Nicole Monnier, an assistant professor of Russian, said Edens included her on an e-mail several months ago about his service in Iraq. "He felt he was doing something important over there, what he was doing with the Iraqi people. He had a real sense of mission," she said.
Monnier also remembered his dimples. "He was a charming, nice-looking blond guy with a pair of dimples that could just about get him anything."
Edens was assigned to the Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division from Fort Lewis, Wash. The Stryker is an armed, eight-wheeled vehicle that has a crew of two and can carry nine soldiers.
Killed with him were Sgt. Eric W. Morris, 31, of Sparks, Nev., Spc. Ricky W. Rockholt Jr., 28, of Winston, Ore., and Pfc. Robert W. Murray Jr., 21, of Westfield, Ind., the army reported. Their identities were made public Monday.
Luppens said that funeral arrangements were pending and that burial would be in Jefferson Barracks National Cemetery.
Toonscribe,
That's horrible. I'm so sorry.
Goddamn BushCo to hell.
Yeah, I'm so sick of the "We're spreading democracy" bullshit. Like spray painting of buttering toast or something.
a bottle of vitamin water.
Phila
Wha tha'?
Drop a One-A-Day and slurp from the garden hose.
P&T, I'll have to defer to your apparent knowledge of who's doing what in Iraq, since I haven't been. Like Eli, I thought we were actually doing an awful lot of the destruction over there. But it's really moot when you consider that none of this was happening before we went in, isn't it? We are responsible whether we like it or not.
Toons,
Such a goddamned waste.
Toon--I suspect this will be of no comfort to you, but I salute your cousin, as he would have been more concerned with those who died with him than with himself.
Wha tha'?
Drop a One-A-Day and slurp from the garden hose.
Pez
Eh, it was on sale, so I bought a few. I kind of like it...it reminds me of Gatorade, which I refuse to buy for a number of reasons.
It's not a health-conscious purchase by any means.
Wait, I thought that was *our* plan.
No, we don't actually have a plan. We're just fucking around and hoping stuff happens that's good. Of course, that involves a lot of dying and blowing shit up.
We're fully to blame? Essentially yes, Mena. The insurgents are doing the destroying for us.
Think about that. Maybe that was the Bush plan all along.
I've never been known to think inside the box.
"Drop a One-A-Day and slurp from the garden hose."
Reminds me of my first trip to Puerto Vallarta. We were told to only brush our teeth with the bottled water provided. We were fine with that, until we were walking behind the resort one day to head into town, and saw one of the staff pouring water from a hose into the hotel bottles.
We were more amused than anything.
When I think of all the chickenshit bullyboys I see harassing anti-war protestors - to say nothing of our own trolls - and consider the fact that these fucking amoral parasites live while Toonscribe's cousin dies...well, it makes me angry.
I've said it before, but if I could push a button and make all of these fuckers trade places with the brave people who are over there, I wouldn't hesitate. Too bad it'd take an act of magic like that to make these pricks put their money where their mouth is.
I hope they all spend ten years dying.
Toonscribe - That was good to read, even knowing the ending.
I am so very tired, and I am full of sorrow.
Goodnight.
a lot of dying and blowing shit up
Speaking of which:
Revealed: Israel plans strike on Iranian nuclear plant
Uzi Mahnaimi
ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans for a combined air and ground attack on targets in Iran if diplomacy fails to halt the Iranian nuclear programme.
The inner cabinet of Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, gave “initial authorisation” for an attack at a private meeting last month on his ranch in the Negev desert.
Israeli forces have used a mock-up of Iran’s Natanz uranium enrichment plant in the desert to practise destroying it. Their tactics include raids by Israel’s elite Shaldag (Kingfisher) commando unit and airstrikes by F-15 jets from 69 Squadron, using bunker-busting bombs to penetrate underground facilities.
The plans have been discussed with American officials who are said to have indicated provisionally that they would not stand in Israel’s way if all international efforts to halt Iranian nuclear projects failed.
etc.
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Unsurprisingly, Seymour Hersh seems to be on target.
Think about that. Maybe that was the Bush plan all along.
No, I don't think so. They wanted to capture the country intact, the better to extract its resources.
You're correct that our goal is to break up the country, in my opinion. Wehave been inciting civil war since we got there. You seem more sure than I am of who is actually doing what.
Unsurprisingly, Seymour Hersh seems to be on target.
I'm surprised he doesn't seem to be *a* target.
It was about oil, world domination, revenge, and cock waving, but it didn't work out too well.
It was about oil, world domination, revenge, and cock waving, but it didn't work out too well.
Well, except for the revenge and cock waving part.
"Unsurprisingly, Seymour Hersh seems to be on target."
When Seymour Hersh speaks, I shudder.
Links for the troll (not "live" because Haloscan won't allow it):
-- 70 to 90% of Iraqis held by coalition forces arrested "by mistake":
http://www.dailystar.com/dailyst...ystar/
21552.php
-- Coalition forces kill twice as many civilians as do insurgents:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/kr...ton/
9753603.htm
-- Over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the invasion two years ago:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/
2...casualties.html
-- Since Iraq only has 24 million people (http://www.prb.org/Template.cfm?Section=PRB&
template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&
ContentID=9534) to the US' 295 million (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&
oi=answers&q=http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/
factbook/fields/2119.html), the impact of 100,000 dead civilians in Iraq is like if 1.25 million American civilians were struck dead.
Any questions?
(Well, glory be -- it livened up the first three URLs. Didn't work that way the first time I tried it.)
Maybe that was the Bush plan all along.
I don't think there ever was a Bush plan. They wanted things, and thought they could exercise brute force to solve all the problems involved in getting them.
Didn't work.
Mena, from what information we do actually get, and from what I read online from Arab news sources (often more detailed than US Media), both sides are destroying Iraqi society.
They're doing it to us, too, if you noticed, dividing, bankrupting (soon?), fomenting hatred.
It's the only consistent theory I can offer, is that Bushco wants anarchy, so they can pick up the pieces and profiteer.
"the Bush plan"
we havew GOT to stop buying into the fiction that GWB has any *plan* at all.
He is NOT REAL.
He is a MEDIA CREATION.
He has NO thoughts, no plans, no ideas.
NONE.
Think about that. Maybe that was the Bush plan all along.
OK, we've suffered 1,600+ young lives, 20,000 maimings, tens of thousands of "host country" wet work, and I have yet to decipher the Bush plan.
Not the neo-cons'think tank "vision" of Middle East utopia.
The mother fucking Commander-in-Chief's plan as to what the fuck he thought he was doing when he unleashed the horrible beast.
I want that small-minded man to, by himself, explain the whole schmere to us, without Unka Dick, without McClellan rambling about bike rides.
Be a man, Mr. President, for once.
We've ridden your pitiful little, "Hey, I'm a Cowboy!, You can be, too" Crawford theme park ride, and we want our money back.
I don't think there ever was a Bush plan. They wanted things, and thought they could exercise brute force to solve all the problems involved in getting them.
Didn't work.
Thersites
No, it didn't, but from the reactions of Rumsfailed and Bush, they're not privy to the entire plan. They need to be in the dark so the real plan can be followed through.
Well, maybe not Thersites, if creating chaos was part of the plan. Thay've certainly made a bundle and covered a lot of tracks with their "method".
"They" have, even.
"Well, maybe not Thersites, if creating chaos was part of the plan. "
A popular theory in B-schools right now is 'creative destruction.' Consider.
I think the plan is, "No matter what bad shit happens, Unka Karl will find a way to spin it in a positive light that makes Bush look like a strong, decisive war preznit boldly confronting terror and spreading democracy."
(although in practice, it's more like confronting democracy and spreading terrorism...)
I think we may be agreeing, P&T.
A popular theory in B-schools right now is 'creative destruction.' Consider.
They're right-sizing the Iraqi population!
OK, we've suffered 1,600+ young lives, 20,000 maimings, tens of thousands of "host country" wet work, and I have yet to decipher the Bush plan.
As Bush put it:
"see, We fight the terrorist over there so that we don't have to fight them over here." What bs.
Pax Americana.
"(although in practice, it's more like confronting democracy and spreading terrorism...)"
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
A case of Rice A Roni for Eli!
Actually, the plan was to start an unnecessary, illegal, immoral war on false pretenses and it worked.
they (BFEE) are the ultimate carney.
They want everything that can strip from us while we are looking at some other walnut half.
Don't let us kid ourselves. It's about money, pure and simple.
WE'd like to believe it's something else, like ideology. Because that's where we would wage arguments of this magnitude
You know? I don't think so. I think they only thing these fucking criminals believe in is money, which they are making off of us, hand over fist.
My only question is whether the sole purpose was to make Bush look like a tough guy war preznit and ensure his re-election and consolidation of power, or if oil pillage & Halliburton profiteering were part of the plan as well.
Watching Star Wars Ep IV...anyone notice how much the Republicans sound like Jawas?
Dear insurgents....
We know you're pissed off. We'd be too, but you're not pure by any means. Your heros Saddam, Uday, and Qusai were not exactly perfect Moslems. They drank, they stole, they indiscriminately murdered, just like you probably do.
The Americans and Brits you're killing and maiming are for the most part, young men and women, some of whom are idealistic.
Keep your bombs going, you'll make yourselves feel better. BUT let it be known, the people you hate the most are untouchable, you'll never hurt them. You're just killing the cannon fodder.
Your society is going to have to go into a real war with you and remove you. The Americans won't be the ones with that power.
Eli--i think to a certain extent Bush is a willing vessel. Read the PNAC's 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' if you haven't. This is a 1998 doc that talks about the need to control the ME. It makes my blood run cold.
History is full of Big Dreams that got away from their dreamers and turned on them, & I think that is how history (if we manage to see it written) will treat the Neocons' Less Than Excellent Iraqi Adventure.
I think they genuinely believed they could run Iraq in much the same way they run *this* country, with promises half-kept at best, and Rove could PR any problems under the rug.
I think different factions had different goals, but the neocons really did have flowers in their minds.
The later "flypaper theory" is just making the best of a bad bargain.
Other factions were interested in oil, that is, controlling the source of it, thereby denying it to competitors.
I fully believe the people who now control the gov't have had as their plan the goal of making as much money as possible off of this country.
Hard to believe, right?
Hey.
Why is that so hard to believe....???
A whole lot of people are deeply venal. White collar crime has burgeoned. Be not surprised.
Sarah, their acts are Godless. I think they're atheists... the worst kind, they worship money instead. Agreed.
Hmm, you'd think some thugs have noticed the US military's effectiveness when it is wielded by President Stupid.
Doctor Reports Seeing 500 Bodies as Violence Flares at Uzbek Border
By Bagila Bukharbayeva Associated Press Writer
Published: May 15, 2005
Uzbekistan (AP) - An estimated 500 bodies have been laid out in a school in the eastern Uzbek city where troops fired on a crowd of protesters to put down an uprising, a doctor said Sunday, corroborating witness accounts of hundreds killed in the fighting.
etc
I don't buy the neocons as dreamy democratic idealists; I think that was all smokescreen for dreams of blood and domination.
I fully believe the people who now control the gov't have had as their plan the goal of making as much money as possible off of this country.
Hard to believe, right?
Not at all.
Those that control the money have the power.
I hope Iraq ultimately shrugs off the US of A. I doubt that it will be able to, but I admire them for trying.
I don;t know wtf pitchfork and torches is talking about.
from the reactions of Rumsfailed and Bush, they're not privy to the entire plan. They need to be in the dark so the real plan can be followed through.
I don't think there is a "real plan," either. There is no dark evil mastermind here. There are lots and lots of people and groups with competing plans and interests behind this invasion. They range from pious loons to hard-nosed profiteers. That's the reason the invasion and "reconstruction" was so botched & bizarre: everyone had a piece, and nobody had the final say.
Future historians will tell some truly amazing tales of how one of the most astonishing debacles of American foreign policy was perpetrated.
Meanwhile, we have to live through this shit.
I think P+T's point was that the 'insurgency,' as painted by our castrated media, was that the situation is far more complex than it is displayed to us, and that all the wrong people are getting hurt.
We've ridden your pitiful little, "Hey, I'm a Cowboy!, You can be, too" Crawford theme park ride, and we want our money back.
Pez
You won't get it back, Pez. The regime sees you as the kid who was the only one who barfed, a crybaby.
The rest of the riders need to barf before the ride gets shut down.
P&T, what makes you think the insurgent's heros are Saddam and his sons? If they are Islamists, certainly not. And their are dozens of groups, with different ideologies and goals. Not to mention black ops.
They range from pious loons to hard-nosed profiteers. That's the reason the invasion and "reconstruction" was so botched & bizarre: everyone had a piece, and nobody had the final say.
I think Thersites has nailed it.
And with that, I'll say goodnight. You guys and gals have been a big help tonight. "Thank you" to you all. Peace.
Did anybody else see the SNL Smigel cartoon tonight. The genie rescues these kids but then tortures and humiliates his captive and throws a tantrum screaming he has to impress his dad. Pretty biting satire.
who was it that brought up Max Headroom the other night...???
You know, George W Bush should be placed in the stocks. He should be publically humiliated. It is the only fitting punishment for what he's done, because it is the only thing that would mean anything to him.
Thanks Sallyh. Eloquent and correct.
And why the fuck won't the Commander-in-Chief receive the remains of his 18 year old soldiers shot through the eye at Dover?
Fucking salute the fallen man in public, you fucking putz!
You fucking putz!
It is the only fitting punishment for what he's done, because it is the only thing that would mean anything to him.
That, or having Daddy (or maybe Mommy) denounce and turn his back on him.
Toonscribe, goodnight.
All the very best to you and yours.
SD
Nightcha, Toonscribe. Condolences again, inadequate though they may be.
make no mistake, we aren't talking *idealists* here-- they had a coldblooded, pragmatic plan to maintain hegemony-- but it's still just a fantasy.
Got a phone call, and I see the discussion continues. Sigh, all any of us has is a more or less informed opinion. Meanwhile, the consolidations also continue, robbing us of even more.
I know you all have moved on to other things, but I'd just like to say that watching the Pacific engagement of 42' mummies is a complete hoot with your critical narrative as accompaniment.
Taking a break just now while the broadcast catches up with the liveblogging.
Toonscribe--dona nobis pacem.
Sigh, all any of us has is a more or less informed opinion.
The only consensus is that unless total failure *is* the plan, the plan is a total failure.
And if you do not learn to master your rage...
And their are dozens of groups, with different ideologies and goals. Not to mention black ops.
Karin
Bennett actually makes a point, which appears correct, that there is no logical goal here.
The Islamists are there, no doubt, but the trouble is from many different factions. My estimate is that the 300,000 unemployed former Saddamites are causing the most trouble.
Islamists would advertise their goals. Right now, there's only scattered information about any "jihad"-type idealism. It would seem that bitterness is the major impetus behind the bombings.
"And if you do not learn to master your rage..."
Controlled rage is what distinguishes us from the right wing.
I'm not saying they were idealists, Eli, they wanted to invade for their own selfish reasons, but I think they did buy into Chalabi's con. They thought they could get the oil AND a state friendly to Israel.
You know the saying, "you can't cheat an honest man."
I know you all have moved on to other things, but I'd just like to say that watching the Pacific engagement of 42' mummies is a complete hoot with your critical narrative as accompaniment.
I think the Bush Plan was to capture the 42' son of a fallen angel and, uh, prevent the building of a housing complex, or something, like, see a structural engineer in just her bra.
Yep.
Yup.
Miserable Failure.
Worst. President. Ever.
Since what Thersites just wrote almost made sense to me at first reading, it must be time for bed for me.
Goodnight you all. Rest easy.
"I think the Bush Plan was to capture the 42' son of a fallen angel and, uh, prevent the building of a housing complex, or something, like, see a structural engineer in just her bra."
Even that would be a stretch for the Chimp on a Bicycle.
Pitchforks, I AM AN ATHEIST.
Y' know...???
although, really, I am JERUSALEM, too.
Sarah--take it easy, P + T is a good guy, and he's not using atheism as a slur. He's simply saying the motivations may not be religious.
although, really, I am JERUSALEM, too.
It looks good on you.
No insult intended, Sarah. What I was referring to is that the "Christian" president doesn't follow his own philosophy. I've got ultimate respect for athiests, but not his hypocrisy.
True atheists with an ounce of decency wouldn't use a religion to kill and maim and profiteer.
They thought they could get the oil AND a state friendly to Israel.
The level of self-delusion required is simply staggering.
Bennett actually makes a point, which appears correct, that there is no logical goal here.
What do you call logical, for the Iraqis to say, well, the US is too powerful to fight, let's just concede and let them do whatever they want with our country? Is that what we would do if we were invaded? Human nature doesn't work like that.
Making Iraq so ungovernable that American companies can't extract oil and turn a profit on it, while the American public turns against the war and eventually forces the US to pull out, sounds like a logical plan to me.
Okay, Pitchforks. Sorry and apologies for my hair-trigger temper!! (and thanks to you, too, sallyh...you have been more than kind to me and watchful of my immanent transgressions! I appreciate it very much.)
SD
I love the bar scene at Mos Eisley. Kind of like being here
Making Iraq so ungovernable that American companies can't extract oil and turn a profit on it, while the American public turns against the war and eventually forces the US to pull out, sounds like a logical plan to me.
If the immediate goal is simply to drive the US out, then pretty much all you have to do is keep sowing chaos & death until the military or the public can't take it anymore.
After that, well, it's probably civil war, and won't that be fun.
Quentin, I knew immediately who this person was. Immediately!!! WHy is Sibel still gagged/silenced?????
Sarah, that lovely Easter message you wrote...I saved it. It made me think about things. You've got the right ideas and hopefully not to flatter you too carelessly, I notice what you write. Your contributions are appreciated.
So Thers - you're saying one of the three sequels will take place near Baghdad, or somewhere a little north, east or west?
No, civil war won't be fun.
Then people here will sit smugly and say, those darn Middle Easterners, they've been fighting for thousands of years, guess they just don't know any better.
Off-topic. I was reading Daily Kos, via Salon's blog wrapup, about Bushie's not being informed of the "attack" on DC until way after, and how that shows he's not really in charge, etc, etc.
My question to you all is this. . .
Who will replace this pretty profound cult of personality that is W? Like Clinton before him, he seems to have a teflon charm, just for the right instead of the left. Can they really pull it off in another election? Is there anyone even capable?
just curious
Freaken chickenhawk wingnut apologists...the capacity for rationalization and delusion is amazing.
Fredo could decide to invade Denmark tomorrow, and these clowns would be singing hosannahs about his vision of American liberty.
Fuck you, apologists.
Here's a few predictions for you...feel like wagering on any of them?
When Chimpy's term is up in 2008, bin Laden will still be at large.
We will still have over 100,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistant.
Over 2500 American troops will have died over there.
"Insurgents" will still be disrupting the Iraqi infrastructure and new "government."
Tony Blair will be out of office, and American troops will account for over 98% of all the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Over 60% of the US will think that we should not have started the war in Iraq.
W will leave office declaring victory in Iraq.
Ah, Pitchforks...thanks so much. What a kind thing to say.
Thank you.
SD
I'm not saying they were idealists, Eli, they wanted to invade for their own selfish reasons, but I think they did buy into Chalabi's con.
They bought into Chalabi's con to the extent he was telling them what they wanted to hear. That there was a ready made government-in-exile that would step in after the military industrial complex had made all it could off the 'war' and they wouldn't have to worry their beautiful minds about peacekeeping or nation building.
Damn, it's 2 AM! Good night, all.
After that, well, it's probably civil war, and won't that be fun.
Considering,
[a] the paucity of troops and resources we have dedicated to the task, compared to the amounts required to stabilize and rebuild a country, and
[b] the imminent failure of the "government" ( continuing ) to make itself a factor
a passable civil war might not have to wait until we pull out. Sometimes I think that this is happening now, in various flavor combinations up and down the latitudes.
Who will replace this pretty profound cult of personality that is W? Like Clinton before him, he seems to have a teflon charm, just for the right instead of the left. Can they really pull it off in another election? Is there anyone even capable?
With a compliant media, *Gilbert Gottfried* could be a heroic, resolute, devoutly Christian cowboy and no-one would think twice.
Ok, way fucked up. So I'm channel-surfing (Adult swim's schedule appears a bit off, the first block was supposed to be done at 1...) and on my local WB station, I come across "Eye for an Eye".
At first, I think it's just another people's court clone, like the Judge (insert name here) shows.
However, the steel half-cages for plaintiff and defendant, the name plaque declaring the "judge" to be "Extreme Akim", and such raised an eyebrow... and apparently, the way disputes are resolved here is for the parties to fight it out in a ring. Whoever wins... wins.
Are we sure we're in the 21st century?
After that, well, it's probably civil war, and won't that be fun.
Eli
The sooner they hand off the reigns, the better. After that, whatever the Iraqis do of their own volition will be looked upon as necessary. We've done our damage, we need to get OUT and let them get on with their lives.
Yes! Frank Rich, "How Gay Is The Right."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/1...%2dEd%2fOp%
2dEd
He doesn't go far enough. Phila's list ought to be front and center in the discourse. But, it's a start.
Here's to hoisting the cynical facist hypocrits on their own petard.
(and for the record, I *love* Gilbert - I just don't think he'd play well in middle America without a lot of help)
The sooner they hand off the reigns, the better. After that, whatever the Iraqis do of their own volition will be looked upon as necessary. We've done our damage, we need to get OUT and let them get on with their lives.
I look forward to hearing the Republicans attempt to explain how the new Shi'ite theocracy is a good thing for the US and democracy.
Okay, better call it a night so I'll be all fresh & rested for softball tomorrow.
Anyone who wants to play softball at EschaCon, *please* RSVP at http://eschacon.blogspot.com .
There's a lot of heat under collars tonight.
Mai Tai's for everyone!!!!
P+T--I'll take a mai tai!
In honor of our home brewed religious extremists, let us toast the hun with Mai Tailiban's.
Of course for those of a more evil and violent side, Haji Wallbangers will be in order.
And for the president, a Roy Rogers of course.
And for our head of the DOD, a Rumsfeld Rickey.
EkCenTrik--Shh! don't let Lime Rickey hear you!
Yes, me, too, a mai tai!!!
and, then, to bed.
Wonderful, sweet dreams to all.
Thank you all for being here. What a privilege to share comments and thoughts w/you all.
SD
Sallyh
oops, a bit tired, was not thinking.
With a compliant media, *Gilbert Gottfried* could be a heroic, resolute, devoutly Christian cowboy and no-one would think twice.
Eli
And with that, the human show is over. Somebody, if you please, get the ethereal lights on the way out.
EkCenTrik--I was enjoying your Kanji translations and characters. 'Wind Change' would actually be suitable in terms of your nick...just be careful around chili
Hungry and sleepy?
He who sleeps, dines.
Sallyh
Ah .. will do .
(Mental note: scratch that handle)
Took me a sec to do a smiley, switched from the pc to the mac and I am looking for keys again.
And with that, I have realized that mai tais, cake, champagne, mummyblogging, housecleaning, errands, grading and political discontent have all left me tired, and will be there the next day.
Sleep well.
Have a good eve Sally
Sallyh,
Fantasize exotically in your slumber.
Hey Ek,
How's that LCD treating your eyeballs?
Pez
Getting settled in. I am still fiddling with adjustments. I have solved the brightness issue so I don't feel like I have to wear shades now.
But man, my work crt still looks like a dog now.
But man, my work crt still looks like a dog now.
EkCenTriK
Once you go LCD, you never go...
Wait, I've screwed something up there.
"i used to be a pacifist until i'd absorbed enough history to realize how dangerous pacifism would be if widely adopted."
-leftisright
that has to be the most ludicrous statement i have read in years.
So I guess Dennis Miller is the new voice for men's Loreal wrinkle reducer.
Ha ha ha ha ha .......
Max, your kidding right?
that has to be the most ludicrous statement i have read in years.
Olaf glad and big
leftisright is a child with access to a computer and the internet.
If he only knew what went before him, and what faces him.
i'm assuming that when he uses the term "pacifism", he means "never fighting anyone over anything", which of course would be a bad thing. but it isn't pacifism.
Max, your kidding right?
EkCenTriK
No shit. I recently saw on TV that husk of a once centered man shilling some sort face cream to make, in the ad, a beautiful man, "beautifuller" by rubbing some jat of slime on his face daily.
Dennis Miller knows he is become the sum total of everything the first 45 years of his existence regarded as repugnant.
Really sad to watch.
Not Elvis sad, but sad.
It sure sounded like him.
pacifism only exists as a method of resistance. there is no way to even be a pacifist without actively engaging in resistance.
This moonbat is headed to bed, but first must point out that Attaturk blew the title of this thread, which should of course read "For those of not wrapped up in mummies . . .
I just shat my pants.
OT but damn amusing
Blowhard challenged!
Via
So I guess Dennis Miller is the new voice for men's Loreal wrinkle reducer.
Ha ha ha ha ha .......
That was him.
My, but he's fallen far hasn't he?
Karma catches up with some faster than others.
With a showdown over judicial nominees looming, Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas could be one of several Republicans to oppose stripping the Senate of its traditional power to filibuster.
Ha fucking ha!
He's not quite as stupid as he seems.
Well, he's MUCH more stupid than that, but you catch my drift.
Monday morning, i will flush the holy bible down the toilet and report it to the local news affiliate.
So, the reason we are losing is that they are not fighting fairly. So, not to worry because everything is OK then. Now I even understand the bungling chimp's mind. Of course, a better way to do things is to have Cheney drop nukes on all of those foreign sounding places.
I supported this war when it started.
I'm not proud of it, but I did.
I believed the Bush administration when they claimed that Saddam was only a couple of years away from acquiring nuclear weapons, and I believed that if he did so then sooner or later there would be a nuclear exchange with Israel.
I just couldn't conceive of the possibility that Powell was flat out lying to the UN when he presented the evidence of Iraqi WMD possession. I naively assumed that there was no way the Bush administration would expose itself to the risk of invading and then not finding any WMD, therefore they must have had definite proof of WMD existence that they weren't sharing with us for security reasons.
I believed all the tales of rape-rooms, plastic shredders and massacres, some of which have turned out to be lies. Some were true.
I believed them when they said that the Iraqi people would welcome the invaders as liberators. I thought the warnings of a mass insurgency and quagmire were "defeatist".
I bought the whole thing hook, line and sinker. I just couldn't believe how stupid I had been when I finally admitted to myself that it was all lies.
I'm not a US citizen, so I didn't vote for either Bush or Kerry, but I advocated the war any time the conversation topic came up.
I was wrong, and I'm really sorry.
I look forward to hearing the Republicans attempt to explain how the new Shi'ite theocracy is a good thing for the US and democracy.
Easy: "The Iraqi government is just the kind America will have when we're done."
Hmmmm...I don't read the Bennett article as truly "rosy". He does say that the insurgents aren't winning, but he doesn't go far as to say that means that America is winning. What he seems to be saying is that America doesn't understand the insurgency, a point with which I totally agree.
Anybody own the "Left Behind" computer game?
All this Iraq shit won't matter when the rapture comes.
I'm appealing my non-conviction for bad behavior in a bathroom. You ain't gonna get rid of me that easy.
So I guess Dennis Miller is the new voice for men's Loreal wrinkle reducer.
Ha ha ha ha ha .......
If you want to get rid of those annoying wrinkles, use VIAGRA.
This site really sucks fucking dick.
Feith on 60 minutes.
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