I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Go back to Yurp, ya filthy commie!
That is...Stay There!
onehandle
If you don't like it here, you are very welcome to leave.
Hey Duncan - have you tried the library?
Things are cool, Atrios. We're as goofy and outraged and wandering off-topic as ever--and will be here when things settle down.
Y buenos tardes a tu tambien, Senor "A".
Hmmmm, what is "A-Man" in Espanol? "Senor A"? "Hombre de A"? "El A"? "EL Gran A"? Back to remedial Spanglish class...
____league
Mr. Black knows I'm kidding.
It's come to the attention of the Central Committee that the Internet site known as "Eschaton" is seriously deficient in manifesting an attitude of fawning, uncritical and worshipful adoration of Great Leader.
The folowing questions must therefore be asked:
a) Why do you hate America?
b) Why are you objectively pro-terrorist?
..
{{{waves!}}}
Hi, Atrios! Go have a nice nap before lunch. Or after lunch. Or during lunch. Vacations are very nice things.
onehandle
Sorry.
The moronic trolls leave me just abit irritated these days.
Ah, si, Senor Negron
todos es como se pareces...
via con dijos...
.
Matt damon! Matt damon matt damon matt damon mat damon!!!
More questions for the trolls:
What is your model? What are your p values? What is your confidence interval? How large was your sample? How was it conducted? What criteria did your research have to meet? What was your null hypothesis?
____league
No problem. First time I was ever "frist" and I blew it on a dumb joke. Next time I see Atrios, I'll let him spill his martini on me.
I wish to God I was in Barcelona.
Enjoy yourself, A-Man. You've earned it.
Ah, si, Senor Negron
todos es como se pareces...
via con dijos..
No siree, no Gypsies in this palace...
Ph34R
You ask the trolls seven questions. The average troll might understand one of those questions. However, the troll would be unable to answer that question.
Liberals can't wait to use their Nazi like dissent stifling techniques in the Senate. They are objectively anti-Freedom.
sorta wonder if I'd come back, 'twas me over there...
but this *is* home, for all it's faults...better to make the best of whatever's to come.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Co...05/
641kyjkk.asp
Hitchens slams Galloway...
Matt Damon has quite a spectacular ass -- on full view in The Talented Mr. Ripley.
You ask the trolls seven questions. The average troll might understand one of those questions. However, the troll would be unable to answer that question.
"*What* is your favorite color?"
"Red, no yell- AAAIIIEEEE...."
Atrios - just enjoy Spain and don't worry about it. Attaturk, Avedon and Echidne have been doing a terrific job in your absence.
You're missed; but the guest bloggers are great.
Why are liberals only for balance if it tips 100% onto their side? No wonder they hate the resurgance of traditional Christian values, Bush and the war. Not to mention judges who interpret law, not make it from the bench the way liberals and socialists do.
Let's hope the Afghans blew all their money on Newsweek subscriptions and have nothing left for the NYTimes.
Abuse Inquiry Bogged Down in Afghanistan
By TIM GOLDEN Published: May 22, 2005
Despite autopsy findings of homicide and statements by soldiers that two prisoners died after being struck by guards at an American military detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, Army investigators initially recommended closing the case without bringing any criminal charges, documents and interviews show.
Within days after the two deaths in December 2002, military coroners determined that both had been caused by "blunt force trauma" to the legs. Soon after, soldiers and others at Bagram told the investigators that military guards had repeatedly struck both men in the thighs while they were shackled, and one of the detainees had also been mistreated by military interrogators. Nonetheless, agents of the Army's Criminal Investigation Command reported back to their superiors that they could not determine any clear responsibility for the detainees' injuries, military officials said. That view was also expressed by military lawyers at Bagram, including one who served as the legal adviser to soldiers at the detention center, according to confidential documents from the investigation obtained by The New York Times.
"I could never see any criminal intent on the part of the M.P.'s to cause the detainee to die," one of the lawyers, Maj. Jeff A. Bovarnick, later told investigators, referring to one of the deaths. "We believed the M.P.'s story, that this was the most combative detainee ever."
The investigators' move to close the case was among a series of apparent missteps in an Army inquiry that ultimately took almost two years to complete and has so far resulted in criminal charges against seven soldiers. Early on, the documents show, crucial witnesses were not interviewed, documents disappeared, and at least a few pieces of the evidence were mishandled.
While senior military officers at Bagram quickly heard reports that several interrogators had abused detainees, they also failed to file mandatory reports of possible misconduct or take other actions that would have alerted military intelligence officials in the United States, the documents show.
Three months later, part of the same military intelligence unit was deployed to Iraq, where it later took charge of interrogations at Abu Ghraib prison. The captain who led the interrogation operations at Bagram, Capt. Carolyn A. Wood, was found by a high-level military investigation last year to have applied many of the same harsh methods in Iraq that she had overseen in Afghanistan.
More here.
David E - Do we know for certain it's Damon's ass and not a body double?
Just asking - haven't seen that movie all the way through so I haven't seen the ass in question.
Onehandle
The other day I was "frist" on an open thread (from a dial-up connection). The only thing I could immediately think of was "I can't resist. Frist."
Spain has a history of socialism and appeasement of agressors. They would rather fight to get free health care then spread freedom in the middle east. Well, that's OK because we can do that ourselves, without the one worlders bossing us around and asking for sensitivity. Wehn you want something DONE, get America's Team!
Abuse Inquiry Bogged Down in Afghanistan
By TIM GOLDEN Published: May 22, 2005
ABout time. We need to stop being pussified by the rest of the world. God has a special mission for the USA and He will not be pleased if we bow to the Saracens and the Secular Interests currently in charge of our media. The bias must stop.
... "blunt force trauma" to the legs ...
would have to be a pretty horrible way to die since it would probably not be quick.
David E - Do we know for certain it's Damon's ass and not a body double?
I prefer "bubble double"...
Liberals can't wait to use their Nazi like dissent stifling techniques in the Senate.
Yes, if we can just stifle the dissent of the majority party in the Senate, then we will have captured complete control of the government. It will only strengthen our control of the White House -- oh, wait.... Well, how 'bout our control of the House of Reps. Oops, no, we don't have that either. Well, after the Supreme Court handed us the 2000 election -- huh, you mean they gave it to the Rethugs? Oh, yeah. Gee, I guess we liberals are having a hard time installing our one-party state. How you guys doing on the Neotard side?
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Readers strike back:
Ask Heywood
The bad faith of a majority of the left is instanced by four things (apart, that is, from mass demonstrations in favor of prolonging the life of a fascist government). First, the antiwar forces never asked the Iraqi left what it wanted, because they would have heard very clearly that their comrades wanted the overthrow of Saddam. (President Jalal Talabani's party, for example, is a member in good standing of the Socialist International.) This is a betrayal of what used to be called internationalism. Second, the left decided to scab and blackleg on the Kurds, whose struggle is the oldest cause of the left in the Middle East. Third, many leftists and liberals stressed the cost of the Iraq intervention as against the cost of domestic expenditure, when if they had been looking for zero-sum comparisons they might have been expected to cite waste in certain military programs, or perhaps the cost of the "war on drugs." This, then, was mere cynicism. Fourth, and as mentioned, their humanitarian talk about the sanctions turned out to be the most inexpensive hypocrisy.
Your days of liberal bias in legislating and the media will soon be over. We have the goods on you and YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED..... the public is not interested in your Chomsky Moore Boxer allegations of our country that are all lies. They tune your hatred out.
Hitchens slams Galloway...
Ph34R
Oops, he's gonna spill his drink on him!
That library suggestion was brilliant!
Spain has a history of socialism and appeasement of agressors.
General Francisco Franco still dead. Spain remains a Monarchy, successor state to the Spanish Empire..... Developing.
I was wondering if "Hurray USA We Love You" was a parody troll or not. After that 1:37 pm post I think it probably is a parody. Unfortunately, one can never be sure.
David E - Do we know for certain it's Damon's ass and not a body double?
You mean, "booty double"?
Podcast whore (repeat): Bush talks about a more lethal military and winning the war...
We're as goofy and outraged and wandering off-topic as ever
Speak for yourself. I am always the soul of calm and never, ever wander OT.
I was wondering if "Hurray USA We Love You" was a parody troll or not.
I think you are mixing this troll up with the I Love My Mommy troll.
Unlike the traitors and weaklings who hang out here, patriotic Americans are willing to unconditionally trust the actions of President Bush and our military, because they realize that God is sitting on the shoulders of every one of them, guiding and directing everything they do.
God is sitting on the shoulders of every one of them, guiding and directing everything they do.
Including 'Rods from God'!
I was wondering if "Hurray USA We Love You" was a parody troll or not. After that 1:37 pm post I think it probably is a parody. Unfortunately, one can never be sure. - ____league
You think it's a simply a coincidence that Team America was released on DVD and Hurray USA appears? You can pretty much see the strings....
BTW, perhaps it's one of those subliminal cognitive processes, but every time you post I fill in the blank in your handle with Human.
Don't, don't you want me?
You know I can't believe it when I hear that you won't see me...
The right never wants to acknowledge that in the end Saddam Hussein could have been bought off (and toward the end of his reign he was signaling his willingness to let that happen) and that, if creating democracy in the Middle East was in any way a primary goal of our venture, sending Saddam into exile was the least disruptive of our options.
Saddam gone? good goal
Removal by force? stupidfucking idea with faults visible from a mile away.
You'd think some people would be getting tired of being scared stupid but apparently they *like* it that way.
"Speak for yourself. I am always the soul of calm and never, ever wander OT."
I can get you with cake and ponies every time.
Mr. Bush's wife, Laura, at the start of a Middle East goodwill tour designed to show a softer U.S. face, acknowledged that her country has an image problem in the region but insisted that the prison abuse that occurred at Abu Ghraib was an exception.
"And people in the United States are sick about it. They're very sorry that that's the image that people in the Arab world got of the United States," she said
No you aren't. I doubt there is a single Republican voter who could accurately be described as "sick about it".
"Punching the air with their fists in glee and chanting USA, USA", would have been a more accurate description than "very sorry".
Someone should introduce Laura to some Americans.
every time you post I fill in the blank in your handle with Human.
I always fill it in with 'Justice'.
Hitchens slams Galloway...
Having seen the worst Christopher "John Barlycorn must lie" Hitchens can do, I've got no fear for Mr. Galloway.
Christopher "Clinton stole my date" Hitchens only really goes after those who can't hit back. Now that Mr. Galloway is back dealing with important matters he would probably be loath to waste any more time on Christopher "I have no drinking .......................broblem" Hithens and the besotted hypocrit knows it.
I swear I closed that tag.
Liberals hate freedom so much you can smell it.
every time you post I fill in the blank in your handle with Human.
Big!
parody trolls, get funny or stop trying.
I can get you with cake and ponies every time.
Now, what would you like to talk about?
Ponies with cakes?
NTodd--try the brioche and strawberries. Diane says the mimosas are pretty good, too.
NTodd had a golden comment last night... will maybe fish it up and repost in a few.
I dunno, Duncan, the kids have been jumping on the bed, but so far nobody's been hurt.
Speaking of which, about half a mile from me, still in the old part of Phoenix, they never got around to re-zoning themselves, so it's all horse property. Not ranches or anything, but big enough so you can keep three or four horses or equivalently sized things. The other day tho, standing at the fenceline, watching the traffic, were two new baby burros (burritos), still fuzzy. The previous horses were visible some distance back, but the burros sure did want to come out and play.
Always good to appear somewhat mysterious.
atrios can you respond to email?
re: Hurray USA We Love You
I think we might have a Trollbot, possibly a mod of one of those AI conversational programs.
It sounds mechanical to my ears, as if you dumped a the last couple years of output from the Corner into one end and the bot assembles random strands, and spews them out.
just an idea.
Liberals should not be considered human. They forfiet their rights when they support murder, corruption and state control over private property. We will deal with the liberal problem soon enough.
Sittenpretty--sent you email.
Galloway and the rest of Britian are happy we're stuck with Hitchens. He's an embarrasment to them.
Hitchens was part of a debate shown on cspan shortly after Gulf War II started. It was the first time I'd seen him speak. (I'd heard of him and knew he was a writer.) As soon as he said "my good friend Ahmed Chalabi" I knew he was an idiot.
Haven't paid attention to him since.
Our freedom did not come without sacrifice. If liberals are not willing to make sacrificies, they do not deserve it, or the protection of their nation in time of war. Use the coastal elites as human sheilds.
You notice he goes out of town and they change "his" email address.
"Liberals should not be considered human. They forfiet their rights when they support murder, corruption and state control over private property. We will deal with the liberal problem soon enough."
Comedy gold, all the more amazing when you consider it doesn't write its own material!
NTodd--try the brioche and strawberries. Diane says the mimosas are pretty good, too.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
Not exactly brioche and strawberries, but before the security guard kicked me off the computer last night (not as weird as it sounds, but I like the way it sounds, so leave it at that), I was going to say that your chocolate chip cookie recipe at Chez La Poissoniere inspired me to consider submitting my recipe for petit pains au chocolat.
Just a matter of assembling all the info now....
NTodd--try the brioche and strawberries.
After Dr. Frist gets finished next week can we have tear gas and barricades for dessert?
I long for the days of action and the site of a million people in the streets.
I think we might have a Trollbot, possibly a mod of one of those AI conversational programs.
Programmed by someone with only a theoretical grasp of the langage apparently.
Yes, it does sound robotic.
sight
Liberals should not be considered human. They forfiet their rights when they support murder, corruption and state control over private property. We will deal with the liberal problem soon enough.
Can I suggest the following steps to help you with your liberal problem:
1. Buy a .357
2. Load it.
3. Put it in your mouth.
4. Pull trigger repeatedly.
Thank you.
nick carraway,
i think the problem is much more complex than Saddam's merely leaving into exile.
The question remains the same as in Gulf War 1: As Cheney asked, wisely, in its aftermath, if we went into Baghdad then (and gotten rid of Saddam), what do we do next?
No good answers existed.
I think it was inevitable that there would be some degree of serious civil violence in the aftermath of Saddam's leaving, even if it were a voluntary exile.
Who would take over? What would happen to the Baathists? What would be the role of the Shiites? Kurds?
I do agree that trying to get rid of Saddam in theory was a worthy goal, but I think that even an exile plan would have had to have a tremendous amount of comprehensive negotiations with all the diverse parties behind it, and I don't know if that would have been possible considering the hostile conditions in Iraq.
Of course we agree that we had no business going in there in the manner that we did and lord knows what the heck the outcome will be of our insane exercise.
NTodd had a golden comment last night... will maybe fish it up and repost in a few.
Must've been that damned namestealer. I never settle for gold when platinum will do.
Ponies with cakes?
Oh man, that would be like I died and went to, well...I guess I'm going to Hell, but if they have ponies with cakes there, I'll love it!
I am not a parody troll, or any kind of troll. I am a true-blue patriot who admires and believes in President Bush and detests liberalism, and I am here exercising my rights of free expression as an American citizen. However, someone who apparently thinks he's being clever is appropriating my handle and posting slightly over the top comments in an obvious effort to make me look foolish. Typical of liberals to stoop to that level of dishonesty.
kent
Good hypothesis but I thought the wingers at the Corner knew how to spell or is WFB not watching them closely enough.
on't-day alk-tay to the ollsquito-tray.
It's kind of interesting how traitorous Clinton has become in the eyes of the Old Glory romanticizing Rethugs.
But, I can't recall any Scaife-backed "investigative journalism" that has revealed that his grandfather ever saw the need to launder Nazi money.
That dubious honor belongs solely to the current occupant of the White House.
On the Internet, troll and trolling are slang terms used to describe:
1. A person who makes posts (on newsgroups or other forums) that are solely intended to provoke responses from others either Socratically or to cause annoyance or offense.
2. A post that is intended to incite controversy or cause offense. (Many posts may inadvertently cause strife as collateral damage, but they are not trolls.)
In essence, a troll is a definition for one who is believed to be insincere in their actions to stir up controversy, or are so inflammatory in their actions that they produce ill effects in the community. For many, the term has negative connotations and is often applied as an insult, while at the same time may be considered a badge of honor by individuals, or "troll organizations." Sincere but controversial or naive posters are often mislabeled as trolls. Many people new to the art of posting to internet forums may forget their manners, assume 'champion roles,' or otherwise may get carried away with a pseudoidentity and its perceived social anonymity.
The response of someone accused of trolling can vary widely from hurt indignation to verbal abuse, raising the stakes with inflammatory remarks maligning the motivation of the accuser.
Trolling is often described as an online version of the breaching experiment, where social boundaries and rules of etiquette are broken. Self-proclaimed trolls often style themselves as Devil's Advocates or gadflies or culture jammers, challenging the dominant discourse and assumptions of the forum they are trolling in an attempt to subvert and introduce different ways of thinking. Detractors who value etiquette claim that true Devil's Advocates generally identify themselves as such for the sake of etiquette, whereas trolls often consider etiquette to be something worth trolling in order to fight groupthink.
Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal.
"I was wondering if "Hurray USA We Love You" was a parody troll or not."
A click on the homepage link argues for a real troll. They are so easy to parody, but anyone who links to the Free Republic news website is probably a true believer.
Ponies with cakes?
Do you cover them with icing? How do you get them to hold still long enough?
Oh man, that would be like I died and went to, well...I guess I'm going to Hell, but if they have ponies with cakes there, I'll love it!
C'mon you've never seen a pony with paniers? Whadya think's in there, pies? Puff pastry? Cookies? Nah, ponies always carry emergency cakes, just in case.
I was going to say that your chocolate chip cookie recipe at Chez La Poissoniere inspired me to consider submitting my recipe for petit pains au chocolat.
Which I initially partially read as "little chocolate pants"...
Always good to appear somewhat mysterious. - ____league
Or, perhaps, to cultivate Fascination?
Keep feeling fascination
Passion burning
Love so strong
Keep feeling fascination
Looking learning
Moving on
Maybe it's just me. I just got tickets for a Lost 80's show later this summer with the fabulous (dubious?) lineup of: Real Life, Dramarama, Missing Persons, Flock of Seagulls, English Beat, and Devo! Tickets: $19.80. The chance to revel in lost youth: priceless.
Does anyone hear live in or near the Nashville area?
I was going to say that your chocolate chip cookie recipe at Chez La Poissoniere inspired me to consider submitting my recipe for petit pains au chocolat.
Oh, baby! Someone here is always making me hungry. STOP IT. At least until I whip up Auntie GWPDA's chocolate sour milk cake.
It's kind of interesting how traitorous Clinton has become in the eyes of the Old Glory romanticizing Rethugs.
But, I can't recall any Scaife-backed "investigative journalism" that has revealed that his grandfather ever saw the need to launder Nazi money.
That dubious honor belongs solely to the current occupant of the White House.
Was money being made? That's all that matters. Who cares if that money maybe helped gas some Jews in the '40's? It's that damn FDR who was the real problem!
Good hypothesis but I thought the wingers at the Corner knew how to spell or is WFB not watching them closely enough.
____league,
You may have a point there, I just noticed that its homepage is to Freeper land, so pour in a couple months of that place into one end..........
Hitchens depends on what once passed as a boyish face and a fluid delivery of oily phrases. His voice, itself, has some fine qualities but a good instrument can be used to play garbage and his is only used for that purpose.
He's never been particularly trustworthy and while he has many who pity him for his wasted potential and his self-destruction he also has many who hate him for his two-faced spitefulness. And only a few of them are the rich and powerful.
He is able to make a valid point, such as when he pointed out that Mother Teresa's admirerers wanted her judged by her reputation instead of the results of her actions, but he doesn't seem able to act except out of pettiness and an increasingly desperate attempt to rise in the world.
As Slow Turtle once said, "You know what rises to the top of a melting pot, don't you? Scum,".
"I was wondering if "Hurray USA We Love You" was a parody troll or not."
They're a parody of anyone rational. No more need be said.
Very scholarly, s.
Laundering Nazi money is nothing to laundering Saudi money for the family that destroyed the twin towers and convinced Bu$hCo to murder hundreds of thousands of people- including Americans- in Iraq.
And don't the hooves give you indigestion no matter how much icing you put on them?
Hurray
I am calling your bluff. Which of these posts are not you. 1:31, 1:33, 1:36, 1:37, 1:40, 1:45, 1:54, 2:00, 2:04.
kelley b., not Pony Cakes, but Ponies With Cakes. Pony Cakes would be awful. Gluey.
I do agree that trying to get rid of Saddam in theory was a worthy goal, but I think that even an exile plan would have had to have a tremendous amount of comprehensive negotiations with all the diverse parties behind it, and I don't know if that would have been possible considering the hostile conditions in Iraq.
Not to jump on you, but "ridding the world of evil" is also a "worthy goal," at least in theory.
But before my government or my church, or any other institution of sufficient power to muck things up badly by pursuing a foolish goal, tried to set that into action, I want a bit more practical explanation of the foreseeable outcomes, and a bit more consideration of just what in the hell made 'em think they could do it.
Bush started off blurring the lines between 9/11 and Iraq, and ended up with vague threats of WMD that didn't materialize. He was left with the "getting rid of Saddam was a good theory" defense. And it's still not even a good theory. No more than Don Quixote's theory that he could return to an imagined world of chivalry and romance just by acting like it existed.
When it didn't exist in 16th century Spain, and in fact had never existed at all.
Castles in the air, in other words, are all well and good. Just don't try to move into them.
Again, no offense, but some ideas just aren't really defensible, even in the abstract.
OK.Im gone for the day,must take mind off worries...will go paint an old bamboo sofa celedon green and make new pillows in my favorite,morrocan (perish the thought style) a la the alhambra
C'mon you've never seen a pony with paniers? Whadya think's in there, pies? Puff pastry? Cookies? Nah, ponies always carry emergency cakes, just in case.
Oh. I always thought it was brownies and Irish coffee.
Oh. I always thought it was brownies and Irish coffee.
No, you're thinking of the little Shetland ponies. Different group - the ones I know about are
I was wondering if "Hurray USA We Love You" was a parody troll or not.
Nope, it's an authentic asshole. This is the only one so stupid that it can't think beyond generalities and is therefore mistaken for a parody every single time it posts.
To sum up (for the 46th time) "Patriot God Centered American" and its infinite stupid nyms - real troll. Face of the enemy. Merkin Patriot - parody troll. Pretty clever, actually.
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Which I initially partially read as "little chocolate pants"...
Eli
That's for after dinner.
In the "adults only" section of the website.
kelley b., not Pony Cakes, but Ponies With Cakes. Pony Cakes would be awful. Gluey.
Ponies and cakes, are we talking about an eight year old girls birthday party?
And GWPDA,
where exactly do the ponies get their "emergency" cakes?
also, I predict a gluten pun will have been made by the time this comment hits the wild.
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s, I see trolls in entirely functional terms. For our purposes they are right wingers who don't add any useful information, who aren't funny, who seem to want to disrupt substantial discussions on important issues and who want to discourage liberals from using the internet to further their aims.
Although I assume that some of them are in the employ of Republican Ratfuckers that isn't a particularly interesting issue anymore. That they have been uniformly unsucessful in this effort is. And we should be crowing about our endurance.
ones I know about are Painted Ponies.
rmj:
I want a bit more practical explanation of the foreseeable outcomes
In other words, you want the fantasy of omniscience to be real. It's childish, really. Isn't it enough to know that what we took for stability in the Middle East was nothing of the sort?
The liberal Left has been too willing for too long to abide anti-democratic forces in the Muslim world. Which makes them just as culpable as cynical oil men.
JeffCo, I'd go just for Devo. Sounds like fun.
Marcos: I'm not trying to say exile *would* have worked. But when you consider how much farther we set the country back by bombing it farther back into the past, and how much of our current problems stem from being unable to rebuild the infrastructure it seems clearly the better option. It's hard to see how it could have gone worse than the plan they did follow.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar, thank you for the answer this morning. Seems you can't escape the pollen, though the mold must be less.
I've never met a donkey I didn't like but haven't gotten along with ponies at all. Too highstrung for me.
OH MY GOD!
The religous right is under attack!
Praise the Lord, james watt crawled out from under his rock to tell us:
The religious left's political operatives have mounted a shrill attack on a significant portion of the Christian community. Four out of five evangelical Christians supported President Bush in 2004 -- a third of all ballots cast for him, according to the Pew Research Center. Factor in Catholics and members of other conservative religious communities and it's clear that the religious right is the largest voting bloc in today's Republican Party.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...5052001333.html
It's 1982 all over again!
Not to jump on you, but "ridding the world of evil" is also a "worthy goal," at least in theory.
I thot we needed Evil so we could know what Good was...
The big reason the republicans give for NEEDING to use the nuclear option is "judicial activism." Given that that's their cover story, it occurred to me that dems could trump this rhetorical winning hand by proposing alternate judicial nominees acceptible to BOTH repubs and dems while at the same time challenging republicans to withdraw support for the controversial judges replacing them with those compromise nominees who would be acceptible to at least 60 if not more senators and thus avoid the necessity of resorting to the nuclear option. Of course Bush nominated and renominated the controversial 7, but if republicans in the Senate move their support to a bipartisan compromise, those nominees cannot win anyway.
I think this tactic would place the onus on republicans to explain why this idea wouldn't be acceptible, given their strong desire for judges who do not legislate from the bench and in the face of this dangerous anti-constitutional situation RE the use of the nuclear option. With a little work in determining which judges to put on such a list, and with verbal commitments to support them from both dems and republicans, dems could take the high ground for good on the issue.
Perhaps the dems could even pick republican, pro-life judges who have demonstrated a respect for stare decisis and not legislating from the bench, even though their own personal beliefs may be at odds with following established precedent.
I think this would be a strong defensive power move right now which would help cement public disapproval with the use of the nuclear option and box republicans in to either put up or shut up.
hadenough--yeah, I read that. Sickening. Why they gave him print space, I'll never understand. Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Our freedom did not come without sacrifice. If liberals are not willing to make sacrificies, they do not deserve it
You first.
I'm sure there's a Army recruiting station reallt close by.
I thot we needed Evil so we could know what Good was...
I thought we needed Evil so Republicans could keep getting elected.
Read that however you want.
Stupid. Ugly. Nobody Likes Him.
Hey, now. Must not be a lot of problems in Washington, 'cause it looks like the gov'ment's got something else to keep them busy:
U.S.: No billboards in space
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The U.S. government does not want billboards in space
Great last line:
"Large advertisements could destroy the darkness of the night sky (for astronomers)," regulators said.
Unlike, say--cities.
So, once again:
Billboards in space--bad. Weapons in space--totally Star Wars, dude.
kent, I see you're not familiar with the western custom of emergency bakery supply. This may help.
Adios, Atriots, I've got to go watch my 10-year old daughter's Ann Arbor United team kick a bunch of wealthy Wrepublican kids around the soccer field.
Just remember, if you can't say anything nice, keep it surreal.
May the Farce be with you!
That they have been uniformly unsucessful in this effort is. And we should be crowing about our endurance.
EPTXoloitzcuintle
Just proves how stupid they are. They are free to believe all the lies and bullshit the GOP pumps them full of, but their failure to sway us from reality and buy into their bullshit party is proof of how useless they are. I refuse to be provoked by morons and make good use of my scroll key.
too willing for too long to abide anti-democratic forces
There hasn't been a fascist dictator of the past hundred years who has not enjoyed the support and patronage of American Republicans. The list of dictators in moslem countries who have been the target of liberal condemnation is 100%. It was Alan Simpson who balled the American press out for telling the story of Saddam's war crimes against Iran and others. As Mr. Galloway pointed out his record of non-support for Saddam is considerably better than American Republicans who sold him the means to commit his war crimes.
Again, no offense, but some ideas just aren't really defensible, even in the abstract.
Rmj, Wandering Aengus
I pretty much agree.
My attempt was only to point out that a Saddam exile wouldn't solve many of the problems confronting Iraq today. There would still have been much blood spilled in the aftermath, I believe.
There were no good solutions, and we should have kept the inspectors in and stayed the fuck out.
James Watt. Big dome, still nothing inside.
The liberal Left has been too willing for too long to abide anti-democratic forces in the Muslim world.
General Pinochet. Fransisco Franco. Mussolini. Ngo Dien Dhiem. Sani Abacha. Robert Mugabe. Papa Doc Duvalier.
Pot. meet kettle.
stain free next door.
In other words, you want the fantasy of omniscience to be real. It's childish, really. Isn't it enough to know that what we took for stability in the Middle East was nothing of the sort?
And what we have now?
Don't be so arrogant as to put words in my mouth. My statement would more properly conclude with: "In other words, a more honest and thorough discussion of the likelihood of the situation we have right now. Iraq is Lebanon on a larger playing field. You will recall, Petzold, that Israel did the same thing a few decades back: invaded Lebanon for the sake of Israel's "stability." They finally withdrew, having stablized nothing, and having turned one of the most stable and civilized countries in the area into a free-fire zone.
Gee, sounds like Iraq today.
The purpose for going into Iraq was not because it was "a good idea to rid the world of Saddam Hussein." That became the line after the fourth report concluded Iraq really didn't have the WMD the UN said they didn't have. Gee, where's your crystal ball now, Petzold? So the "theory" suddenly became "the good idea," when it was never a credible theory in the first place.
Hell, by that reasoning we should march on Syria, Iran, and North Korea tomorrow morning! The world will definitely be 'better off' without those dictators in power. Well, in theory, anyway.
What's that? What do we do then? Hell, son, I don't have a crystal ball! We can't stand around waiting for perfect foresight! We've got dictators to overthrow! We've got anti-democratic forces to not abide!
Freedom is on the march!
The religious left's political operatives have mounted a shrill attack on a significant portion of the Christian community.
How is it a group with so much power is victimized so much?
Oh, yeah--they lie like fucking dogs.
Rapture came and went, James. Fuck off and die.
Thanks GWPDA,
I see clearly now.
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you can't escape the pollen, though the mold must be less.
We're actually out of pollen season here in Phoenix - when it gets hot like this most things die. Mold? To have mold you must have moisture. WE HAVE HUMIDITY LEVELS OF 8%!
I do have a lot of geckos tho.
The liberal Left has been too willing for too long to abide anti-democratic forces in the Muslim world.
That's an interesting assertion. Please send me your pamphlet so I can learn more.
There were no good solutions, and we should have kept the inspectors in and stayed the fuck out.
Marcos
Well, now that it turns out they were right about everything connected to WMD, we have to fall back on the "theory" that it was "good" to replace Saddam. Like Petzold wants us to do.
I'll retire to Bedlam....
Wonderful dissection and pathology post, RMJ!
It just doesn't matter the smokescreens that these Rethugs trolls spew.
Our 43rd President's grandfather and our 41st President's father helped bankroll the Nazi's ability to exterminate millions of Europeans and hundreds of thousands of WWII American soldiers.
And that turd is tarnished beyond all shinability.
It's hard to see how it could have gone worse than the plan they did follow.
nick carraway
agreed.
OH MY GOD!
The religous right is under attack!
After watching "Revelations" last night, I say "good!"
I refuse to be provoked by morons and make good use of my scroll key.
bigvic
That is a valid way to deal with them. Sometimes, though, I've found that going for the jugular works too. It's fun sometimes, with some of them, at least.
Some of them are as humorless as those old Margaret Dumont charecters. Those you use for your straight lines.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere,
That watt article was an absolute waste of letters and white space. Of course they will give one of the religious left a chance to reply. Hah!
How is it a group with so much power is victimized so much?
Oh, yeah--they lie like fucking dogs.
Seems to me any group who is afraid of science, reproductive freedom for women and equality for minorities is completly stupid and hateful enough to be a perfect match for a dumbass like Shrub and his corrupt minions.
My post in another thread on Ritter, Hitchens also knows curve ball.
He uses a lot of references to Hussain Kamel, and Hitchens is the "outside source" used to verify stories for Judith Miller.
Hitch was Miller's source. She used Mylroi to source leads from the same person as a flimsy corroboration.
Ritter knows curveball, so does Hitch, parallel everything they've done on a timeline.
Anyone with nexus capability care to connect the dots for us?
Very scholarly, s.
Toby Petzold
Gosh, pumpkinhead. You always get this impressed by copy n' paste from wickipedia? The E kicking in a little early today?
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How is it a group with so much power is victimized so much?
It's their psychological makeup. Conservatives think they are being treated unfairly, that they are the victums of the greatest injustice in the world, that they are being done wrong when they don't get their way in everything all of the time and if someone, somewhere has something they want but can't take.
Conservatives are your typical spoiled rotten, two-year-old terror. I've known a few of that species when they were two. They're Republicans now.
There hasn't been a fascist dictator of the past hundred years who has not enjoyed the support and patronage of American Republicans. The list of dictators in moslem countries who have been the target of liberal condemnation is 100%.
Ours is a record to be proud of. The wingnuts know no shame.
2:30 is driving in for her lesson. See you later, friends.
bigvic - don't forget the additional information about Auntie Margie's Canadian Sour Milk Chocolate Cake I sent you last night.
GWPDA,
Thanks for the update. I'm glad I read the new and important info before baking. I'm going to the market soon. Perfect weather for baking, too.
I am not a parody troll, or any kind of troll. I am a true-blue patriot who admires and believes in President Bush and detests liberalism, and I am here exercising my rights of free expression as an American citizen. However, someone who apparently thinks he's being clever is appropriating my handle and posting slightly over the top comments in an obvious effort to make me look foolish. Typical of liberals to stoop to that level of dishonesty.
Hurray USA We Love You | Email | Homepage | 05.21.05 - 2:04 pm | #
Hurray
I am calling your bluff. Which of these posts are not you. 1:31, 1:33, 1:36, 1:37, 1:40, 1:45, 1:54, 2:00, 2:04.
____league | Email | Homepage | 05.21.05 - 2:10 pm |
Guess it must have left for Iraq.
Robert Fisk reported all the Bagram abuse stories within weeks of the first reports that it was turning into a torture centre. He noted that local warlords (aka mob bosses) were shopping 'terrorists' for cash and prizes, and that people were being picked up for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Beaten to death by fucks who slept under a confederate battle flag.
The conservatrolls always say 'And you wonder why Democrats don't win elections?' The obvious response is 'And you wonder why the rest of the world thinks of America under Bush as a hypocritical pariah?'
And I'd be curious, once our host returns, to see if he's noticed any difference in how his Spanish hosts feel about the US, now that they've changed their government and seen 51%-dumbfuck America vote to keep its own.
And I'd be curious, once our host returns, to see if he's noticed any difference in how his Spanish hosts feel about the US, now that they've changed their government and seen 51%-dumbfuck America vote to keep its own.
Yeah, me too. That made it a lot harder to separate America-the-government from America-the-people.
Conservatives think they are being treated unfairly, that they are the victums of the greatest injustice in the world, that they are being done wrong when they don't get their way in everything all of the time and if someone, somewhere has something they want but can't take.
Well put. The Dems need to speak the simple truth to "the people" the same way Moyers does. "The only thing conservatives loathe more than liberals is the truth."
I am calling your bluff. Which of these posts are not you. 1:31, 1:33, 1:36, 1:37, 1:40, 1:45, 1:54, 2:00, 2:04.
____league | Email | Homepage | 05.21.05 - 2:10 pm |
ok, i'm totally tech stupid. but i gotta know, what do you need access to to determine it's the same person?
bkny
I think you need the IP address from which the comment was sent. I think Atrios either has it or can get access to it if he wants. Email addresses and homepages don't mean anything since you can type in anything you want when you comment.
____league -- thanks.
don't know if this has been noted here yet, but the des moines register had an op ed yesterday about the downing street memo:
Published May 20, 2005
Iraq-war inquiry still needed
By REGISTER EDITORIAL BOARD
Is it the "smoking gun" that proves President Bush misled the nation into war?
Not quite. But it should be enough for Congress finally to see its duty and launch a formal, independent inquiry.
What's come to be called the Downing Street Memo seems to confirm what opponents of the Iraq invasion suspected all along: that the president decided early on to overthrow Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, then tailored the intelligence to fit the preconceived course of action. The memo caused an uproar in Britain just before the recent election but has received little attention in the United States, except as a hot topic in the blogosphere.
The memo, published by the Times of London on May 1, consists of secret minutes of a British cabinet meeting in July 2002, eight months before the U.S.-British invasion of Iraq. The minutes include a report on talks in Washington: "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."
The memo said that "the case was thin" for military action in Iraq.
Two investigations in the United States concluded that the Bush administration did not pressure intelligence agents to change their assessments about Iraq to fit the administration's point of view. But both reports - one by the Senate Intelligence Committee, one by a presidential commission - ducked the next question: whether the administration exaggerated or made selective use of the available intelligence to justify an invasion decision that had already been made.
Perhaps it doesn't matter. The lack of uproar in this country over the Downing Street Memo suggests that the public is more interested in completing the mission successfully than in rehashing how it began. Indeed, that's where the focus should be.
Still, it's important to establish the truth of how the United States came to invade a country that posed no threat to us. It's important for the historical record and for better decision-making in the future. Congress, which authorized the invasion at the president's request, has an oversight responsibility to inquire and to report to the nation.
Speaking of filibusters:
The way I understand it the GOP leadership is proposing a vote to not so much to change the rules midstream because they are not getting their way (the spoiled brat method of governing), but to declare that the filibuster is in fact unconstitutional. They base this on "by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate" meaning only an up or down vote by the full senate would qualify. Well…
Shouldn’t every member of The Senate remember this little gem:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God. – Senate Oath of Office.
So, what happens if any of the current Senators EVER held up a nomination in committee in any way, including the old blue slips or denying a nominee a vote in committee?
Now if the Senator in question agrees on the elimination of the filibuster for any nomination, not just judicial nominations, based on the idea that the filibuster is unconstitutional, that Senator has just admitted that, under their own logic, they have violated their oath of office. Shouldn’t that mean by extension they are now required to leave the Senate for violating that oath? If they do not is this not an admission instead that this has nothing at all to do with The Constitution and everything to do with a crass partisan power trip by a bunch of spoiled brats?
Just asking.
Well the judge in Cali is important, most likely they wanted to give her broader determinance over Western states for voting scandals that will be necessary down the road.
Clyde - I suspect that if they change the rules to do away with the filibuster the changes won't be retroactive. The whole constitutional argument is bullshit any way.
I hope we've got better techology in our ballistic missile defense program for distinguishing between warheads and parody warheads.
Otherwise, the California real-estate bubble is in trouble...
Well the judge in Cali is important, most likely they wanted to give her broader determinance over Western states for voting scandals that will be necessary down the road.
Mr.Murder
well put, mr. M. those voting "improprieties" are certainly coming, particularly with arnold in office overseeing our conversion to serfdom.
that judge is nothing more than yet another judicial nutcase waiting for her close-up.
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