I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Yessssssssss!
-- Napoleon Dynamite
Supposedly there is a "NOOOO!" in each of the Star Wars movies.
KKhhhaaaaaaannnnnnn!
I hated the first hour, then it wasn't too bad: as long as anyone other than McDarmind wasn't speaking. I give it 3 out of 5.
Not gonna see it until it comes out on DVD in December.
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I have to say, I'm terrified to see this film. Half the people I hear from say they laughed out loud when they weren't supposed to; half say it's brilliant.
NYMary, I'm with you. I really loathed the first two, and since a movie in NYC costs $11, I'd rather spend the money on lunch.
Has anyone seen the new moveon commercial with Frist as the evil empire? I've tried to find it online but have been unsuccessful. Any help? I saw it while watching the Capitol Gang.
what? 9-11 was an inside job?
It's the most brilliant comedic piece i have seen since "The Life of Brian."
I laughed through most of it this morning.
i am so fucking bored with Star Bores... I guess I'll go see it next weekend cuz it's Memorial Day... but really, I think Lucas sucks and so did the last two Star Bores movies. I love eye candy too but I can't forgive the shitty dialogue and wooden acting. I heard clips on NPR and it sounded like more of the same...
Saw it last night- blows up real good, but I and every guy around me let out some version of disgusted chuckle at the "You're beautiful... because I love you" dreck. R2 and 3PO had more chemistry.
Wouldn't it be great if people took to heart the analogies between the neocon warmongers and the Empire? Maybe we'd see Bush approval drop below 40%.
Pope Ratzinger is the Evil Emperor
looks like him
thinks like him
will stop at nothing to control the universe
Eye candy is one thing, but sometimes a movie is just tough to watch. Personally, I have trouble with the contemporary jerky-swoopy cinematography, a la Gladiator and Moulin Rouge. It makes me queasy, despite the delectable presences of Russell Crowe and Ewan McGegor.
Maybe they should dub it in Japanese?
I watch a lot of anime. "Nandetooooooo!" is what someone always says when they are surprised by defeat. Heh.
you can hear bradblog via rawstory.com live.
I loved Star Wars in the first go around. But I was like 13. Back then I liked lite beer, chef boy-r-dee, and the bee gees. I guess my tastes have changed.
Der Emperor ist der Ratzi Pope.
Siegen, Sterne Kriegen!
The NOOOOOO! and the funny walking that took place around the NOOOOOO! -- almost ruined the first three movies for me
Funny, but sad that Lucas is so out of touch that he is willing to ruin the first three which were pretty damn cool
I'm not reviewing the Star Wars movie as bad, and granted Peter Jackson had a great book to work with, but my God, there is a HUGE difference in how Jackson handles dialogue and how Lucas does it...and Lucas definitely suffers in comparison.
R2 and 3PO had more chemistry.
Well, that makes perfect sense.
I had a boyfriend once who insisted that the nastiest song in the world was "You Are So Beautiful To Me," because of the clear implication that everyone else apparently thinks the subject of the song is a dog.
Btw, new anti-namestealing device in use on my blog (@homepage).
Still, do not let that stop you from ordering Curly DVDs, if you'd planned to do so. 
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I watch a lot of anime. "Nandetooooooo!" is what someone always says when they are surprised by defeat. Heh.
In Star Wars anime, it would be "Artoo Nandetoooooo!"
No, Dude, the first ones are still actually kind of okay. I think actors were still willing to act in them, not understanding that he didn't want that.
I loved Star Wars in the first go around. But I was like 13. Back then I liked lite beer, chef boy-r-dee, and the bee gees. I guess my tastes have changed.
that's because they were fun movies. My only complaint was the muppet nonsense in Return of the Jedi.
Today in Troy, NY, Hillary Clinton did the RPI commencement speech and four VERY PASTY and VERY VERY FAT drunk freepers were demonstrating against her.
Gads, together they could probably win the Sumo Chump of the Year awards sitting down.
Well, that makes perfect sense.
I had a boyfriend once who insisted that the nastiest song in the world was "You Are So Beautiful To Me," because of the clear implication that everyone else apparently thinks the subject of the song is a dog.
Are you saying it was really about Artoo?
gotta run, dinner beckons
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I had a boyfriend once who insisted that the nastiest song in the world was "You Are So Beautiful To Me," because of the clear implication that everyone else apparently thinks the subject of the song is a dog.
Santorum's favorite song, eh?
SPOILERS
I hope I don't ruin this for anyone, but here are the three surprises in Star Wars III:
Pope Ratzinger is the Evil Emperor
Condi Rice is Darth Vader
And the Bush twins are the product of her and George Bush's neoconservative love
Bye, Jeffraham.
Now see its discussions like this that make me determined to see the movie and make up my own mind.
I had a boyfriend once who insisted that the nastiest song in the world was "You Are So Beautiful To Me," because of the clear implication that everyone else apparently thinks the subject of the song is a dog.
Sure, but you try singing "I Am Stunned By Your Natural Beauty"
Bye, Jeff! No popping off wingnuts, ya hear?
Condi Rice is Darth Vader
And the Bush twins are the product of her and George Bush's neoconservative love
TRAINED APE
N000000000000000000000!
Daniel Okrent bids us all farewell, but not without having a final, sloppy, unsupported and inexcusible
wank.
Any help? I saw it while watching the Capitol Gang.
Steve
I saw part of Capitol Gang and had to switch it off cause Novacula made my skin crawl. Was it good? The Move On ad, I mean.
Happy Al Franken's Birthday, moonbats!
Here's my fresh bloggy present for the future Senator from the great state of Minnesota (well, not specifically for him, but I'd like to think he'd enjoy it all the same):
Readers strike back:
Ask Heywood
The next chapter in the Newsweak saga of manufactured outrage:
Red Cross Lied, People Died!
Right with you, Attaturk. I hated the last two, but found this one watchable because it wasn't assaultively stupid, like those last ones. (That is, no Gungans, no Jar Jar stepping on his cock and winning the battle, no space diner with a short-order cook alien.)
That is, it wasn't assaultively stupid until the line you reference. And that it was being intercut with the birth scene, which was almost as bad. (Hello? OB-GYN droid?) And then Jimmy Smits's line.
Dear God, the last five minutes needed help.
Well, JeffCO, it was partly a performance thing. He was particularly offended by the pause. "You are so beautiful..... To me." I think that's where he thought the insult was.
We just hit 108F.
THAT'S ENOUGH NOW, THANKS, YOU CAN STOP.
I'm gonna go get into the deep freeze and close the door. Call me when it's November.
Sorry to ruin the movie for you, but the truth is sometimes scary.
Das tut mir leid ... Bush ist ein Katzenjammer
Auf wiedersehen, jungen!
you want bad dialogue? Sci Fi channel right now. "The Abyss."
Mary Elizabeth Mastroantonio talking to Ed Harris while he plummets toward the bottom of the sea trench...
Now THAT'S bad dialogue!
I'm not gonna say anything, because the Star Wars series is such a fucking Sacred Cow, especially on the internets. Someone always gets their panties in a twist when I offer even mild criticism of the films. (And I even like a couple of them.)
Having said that, I'll probably go see this, but not for a few weeks. Not until after the crowds of diehards (those of the twisted panties, above-mentioned) have fucked off elsewhere.
"VERY PASTY and VERY VERY FAT drunk freepers"
That doesn't narrow it down much. I though most freepers were pasty, fat, and either drunk or in some other way mentally incapacitated.
You are so beautiful..... To me."
...but everyone else thinks you're a double-bagger..."
Just didn't parse well.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Co...05/
641kyjkk.asp
Hitchens administers a well deserved beating to Galloway.
NYMary:
That's what I keep debating. Where those movies good, or did I just have a higher tolerance for schmaltz?
I still like watching them now. But my enjoyment comes mostly because of my memories of waiting 10 hours in line at the Egyptian theater on Hollywood blvd.
Mary Elizabeth Mastroantonio talking to Ed Harris while he plummets toward the bottom of the sea trench...
She gets a lot of bad dialogue. Ever see "The Perfect Storm?" Bad movie. Bad dialogue. Mary Elizabeth has to say things like, "Get out of there, Bobby! You're heading right into the belly of the monster!"
The novices & I are planning on seeing The Revenge of the Sith tomorrow afternoon (when we can actually have time to go to a movie without disrupting the regular schedule) -- they are excited -- I am going along for a sense of completion (& it's gotta be better than the last two)
For me a big difference betwen the first trilogy & the prequels is that Han Solo added genuine light hearted humor in the first three flics -- the 1st two prequels didn't seem to have any light heartedness & no (intentional) humor
OH. MY. GOD. I am going to be sick.
Take a look at this.
So how was Zell Miller in his new starring role?
Galloway whipped Coleman's ass and he flattened war-bitch Hitchens real good.
Willie the Groundskeeper is nuts on much, but God bless him for telling those screwheads on Capitol Hill off ... if only our Dems had the stones to drop bombs like that.
watertiger --
The Abyss was such a disappointment -- we thought it was going to be about a convent (is Eli around?)
Res, that's gotta be a joke, right? Please tell me its a joke?
It's okay, Res - go down a bit and locate the article about Marilyn Lewis, founder of the all time best place there is, Hamburger Hamlet.
Home of 'Those Potatoes.' And a lobster bisque that only angels can replicate. And the Chop Salad. Not to mention, the Caviare Burger which got me from Palm Springs to Phoenix, driving a new New Yorker, without fear or surrender.
There's always a happy ending, if you look hard enough.
Screw the NY Times and Santorum ... they are a day late and a dollar short on the Kiss-the-Conservatives-Ass trendline
Take a look at this.
Notice the animal-themed tie.
Santorum on marsupial?
The Abyss was such a disappointment -- we thought it was going to be about a convent (is Eli around?)
Yes, but I'm having nun of it.
Not gonna see it until it comes out on DVD in December.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I'll wait till it hits the $5 bin, if ever. I think George Lucas needs a new hobby. Look at all the great SF out there crying to be on film. I'd actually comb my hair, put on a clean T-shirt, and go out to a real the-a-ter to see The Left Hand of Darkness (or something as good) if they made it. But whadda we get? Return of the Son of Star Wars Episode 215, or whatever it is.
Of the 4 people I/ve talked about SW with this week, only one plans to see it, and even he is doing it just because it's Star Wars, and not really expecting much.
Heresy, I know...
For me a big difference betwen the first trilogy & the prequels is that Han Solo added genuine light hearted humor in the first three flics -- the 1st two prequels didn't seem to have any light heartedness & no (intentional) humor
Exactly, Prior A! And (though I wouldn't expect you to get this necessarily) sex appeal! I mean, Lucas took the sex out of Liam Neeson and Ewan McGegor. I didn't think that was possible.
KANEEEDAAAAA!!
TETSUUOOOOOOOOO!!
sorry
Go here, click listen live and get your Sasha on.
Does the Times describe in gruesome detail his fetus-love?
That bastard is wack -- I pray to God they run that nutjob
Having said that, I'll probably go see this, but not for a few weeks. Not until after the crowds of diehards (those of the twisted panties, above-mentioned) have fucked off elsewhere.
I think movies like this one work better when you see them with a big crowd of, um, twisted panties. It's also several orders of magnitude better than the last two [F(1,9
=8.25, p
Res, that's gotta be a joke, right? Please tell me its a joke?
WHich? The Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio dialogue from "The Perfect STorm" or the fact that the NYT is whoring itself to Dominionists A-FUCKING-GAIN with a magazine cover story on Senator Man-on-Dog?
WHo is "Willie the Groundskeeper?"
Res Ipsa,
I just uncontrollably, spasmodically hurled up my lunch. Thanks.
Sweet Jeebus, I hate that creep. Pennsylvania - do not fail us next year.
Fuck the NY Times.
When did the Times Mag have this shit stain of an article written? Its the christers who have convinced a majority of americans that congress ought not be in the hands of the christofascists any longer. I know journalisming is hard, but lets try to keep up, hmm?
I invited Pennacchio to EschaCon, FWIW.
Yes, but I'm having nun of it.
Oh, God, here we go.
Groundkeeper willie -- aka the Scotsman George Galloway
Groundskeeper Willie:
http://www.thesimpsons.com/chara...acters/
home.htm
Dude--
That is no joke -- Li'l Ricky's appearance was mentioned on a earlier thread today
One can only hope that the article makes it clear that evolution must be true (since Ricky hasn't moved along very far)
Oh, God, here we go.
Sorry, it's just habit.
I think movies like this one work better when you see them with a big crowd of, um, twisted panties. It's also several orders of magnitude better than the last two
Maybe so...but I'm afraid I'm still a little traumatized by having gone to see the re-release of The Empire Strikes Back, and watching people literally run laps around the inside of the theater, waving plastic light sabers and screaming with excitement.
If I start now, I can be in the Springs by oh, 9.30. The Hamlet is open til 10. or maybe 11. on Saturday.
Bye....
Eli,
Don't make me go all Catholic School on your ass. I spent 12 years under the nuns, and I own a yardstick (their weapon of choice).
galloway comment was a response to "perigord" praising Hitchens for drinking a fifth and running his flap off for the weekly standard
NYMary ... You won't believe this, but I just watched my first two episodes of "The Simpsons" last week. Now I have to start renting the videos.
Don't make me go all Catholic School on your ass. I spent 12 years under the nuns, and I own a yardstick (their weapon of choice).
As a Jewgnostic, I've kinda at a disadvantage in the vocab department here. You Catholic types have a surplice of terminology to throw at me.
I like Galloway as Groundskeeper Willie, though he has significantly less hair.
Newsweek responsible for global warming.
Developing...
Perfectly good stats joke for Sallyh ruined by smiley tags!
I also think seeing it on a big screen with proper digital projection is a completely different experience than watching it on TV. On the upside, Hayden Christiansen manages to make Mark Hamill's performance in the first one look brilliant, no easy task.
Not to give anything away, but while Ewan McGregor is fighting General Grievous, his robe falls open to reveal the ornate Japanese calligraphy inked on his light saber (for the Peter Greenaway fans). 
Hey, Prior A,
Nice to type with you again. It was brought to my attention that I was name stolen a few nights ago. Nothing bad, but if you caught it, some 14 year old apparently stole my name and made wierd comments to you. I think you were gone, but just in case you weren't, it was not me. Peace.
Not to give anything away, but while Ewan McGregor is fighting General Grievous, his robe falls open to reveal the ornate Japanese calligraphy inked on his light saber (for the Peter Greenaway fans).
Oh, JeffCO, you're trying to make me go see it, aren't you?
bin laden is still evading us? how exactly are we looking for this guy? did we put out a bowl of muslim food under a box with a stick holding it up?
...(is Eli around?)
Prior Aelred
Well, he's definitely not a square...
Oh, and I've been wondering; where's the Present Aelred, anyway...?
Sorry, it's just habit.
You think you're so superior...
Personally, I have trouble with the contemporary jerky-swoopy cinematography, a la Gladiator and Moulin Rouge. It makes me queasy, despite the delectable presences of Russell Crowe and Ewan McGegor.
NYMary/Lissadell
Word.
I wanted to murder someone when I saw Chicago. If you're going to fucking film choreography let us see the damn dance moves you moron!!!!
You think you're so superior...
So sexton-y it hu-urts...
Don't make me go all Catholic School on your ass. I spent 12 years under the nuns, and I own a yardstick (their weapon of choice).
As a Jewgnostic, I've kinda at a disadvantage in the vocab department here. You Catholic types have a surplice of terminology to throw at me.
Eli
Hahahahaha. I went through 12 years of catholic school hell, too and am married to a Jewgnostic. Small world.
bin laden is still evading us? how exactly are we looking for this guy?
We're not looking for him, because we know he's dead. He's been dead since Tora Bora.
Res --
I used to see The Simpsons only when I would visit my parents or my old college roommate, but our two new novices are fans, so the past several months the three of us have been watching The Simpsons after Sunday Compline -- I haven't seen a bad one yet!
(With all due repsect to Hecate & others who disapprove of the boob tube -- a sentiment with which I am largely in accord)
Good evening, Moonbats!
If I may inject a note of gravity: I've been thinking about EschaCon, coming down from the sheer bloody panic of seeing what they're doing at Kos. I think our best bet is to take advantage of our own skills, mostly. So, anyone here have any issue they'd like to address to the group? We can do a bunch of little breakaway sessions, I figure.
You think you're so superior... -watertiger
I think you jumped the gun.
Actually, although the storyline does fit in fine with the post-Vietnam era, to say there aren't blatant swipes at BushCo is just silly.
"He's got the Senate and the courts!"
Buckaroo Banzai is the greatest movie ever.
That is all.
bin laden is still evading us? how exactly are we looking for this guy? did we put out a bowl of muslim food under a box with a stick holding it up?
Stan
LOL!
Hey, O'Really? could help out with some Falafel, ennit?
a la Gladiator and Moulin Rouge
"Moulin Rouge:" worst. movie. ever. Thoroughly unwatchable.
So, anyone here have any issue they'd like to address to the group? We can do a bunch of little breakaway sessions, I figure.
Well, if anyone is really terribly interested in Check 21 or check imaging in general...
So sexton-y it hu-urts...
Was just parson that sentence and found it was wanton.
Y'know I have never seen Buckaroo Banzai. Or the first Highlander, either. Everyone says those movies rule. Guess I gotta put 'em in the Netflix queue.
NY Mary -- nice link ...
In Willie-speak: Norm Coleman is a pampered, prissy-clothes wearing, plastic-surgery-stretched nancy-lad who can't get his wee lips off George Bush's arse long enough to fight back against Willie
And Chris Hitchens is a custard-bellied, gin-soaked, noodle-headed fancy-girl from Oxbridge who wouldn't know a just war if one bought him a round of Scotch
I know journalisming is hard, but lets try to keep up, hmm?
Not gonna happen. Too HARD.
Okay, Atta, you've seen Star Wars -- but, have you seen Grocery Store Wars?
http://greatscat.blogspot.com/20...ort-
supply.html
Also, Steve, I'll brb with the link for the moveone video . . .
Was just parson that sentence and found it was wanton.
Well, I'm mostly just deacon around, really.
bigvic --
Fortunately, I was absent -- sometimes ignorance is bliss (for instance, I spent all day thinking Jeffraham was okay -- of course, I happened to be right)
You guys are amazingly joyless. I understand how a lot of people look forward to hating Star Wars because it's something all the cool kids do now--so God knows I'm used to it--but the amount of self-congratulatory hipster elitism on this thread so far is just astonishing.
And the level of perceived victimization ("i'm so brave because i'm standing up to the tiny minority of star wars fanboys") is almost Republican in tone.
You don't like Star Wars? Who really cares? You don't understand Star Wars? That's too bad. But don't be proud of that. If you give it a chance, you'll find it emotionally compelling, visually entertaining, with a simple and effective liberal message that hits viewers a lot more clearly than the more subtle ones of the original trilogy did. You'd think at least some of you could appreciate the value of that in a country dominated overwhelmingly by right-wing discourse. Too bad.
Here it is:
http://greatscat.blogspot.com/20...e-
republic.html
Well, I'm mostly just deacon around, really.
Why altar your behavior now? An apse in judgment?
As in Ep II, Yoda stole the show. Lucas can't write dialogue to save his life, making Emmy-caliber actors like Sam Jackson and Natalie Portman cardboard cut-outs of their former selves. He should have let Kevin Smith (or, even better, Timothy Zahn) write the dialogue. How cool would it have been to have Jackson's alter-ego Jules Winnfield (from Pulp Fiction) bust up Palpatine? Or seen Anakin and Padme engage in some Chasing Amy-style banter?
Having said that, the saber duels were pretty sweet, and it put closure on the series. the "Thrawn" trilogy should have been made, IMHO, though.
B+ at best.
I rest my case.
Why altar your behavior now? An apse in judgment?
Pew! Don't be so nave!
Prior A ... I could tell I was going to get addicited. I guess I will just start at the beginning and work my way through the seasons. Not sure why I never watched. My sibs are fans, as is Not-Mister-Res and many, many other pals.
and Rick Santorum is a fetus-cuddling, dog-buggerin', chickenhawk-enablin', Hitler-analogizin' conservative pansy-fig-newton who needs to relocate to Northern Virginia to find hisself more horses to milk ... aye, damn yer eyes man.
Willie's finally gone.
We're not looking for him, because we know he's dead. He's been dead since Tora Bora.
Res Ipsa Loquitur -8:54 pm
are you QUiTE sure of that?
i mean, of course that the spectre of the 6'4" dialysis patient scampering around the pakistani fothills dragging his kidney machine on a separate donkey has always been the most hilarious image of the Afghan Conquest...
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HAAAAAA love me some GWPDA
Buckaroo Banzai is the greatest movie ever. That is all.- MisterX
I'm still waiting to see him take on the World Crime Syndicate! One of the most quotable films of my experience too!
"I've been ionized. But I'm ok now."
"Buckaroo, you forgot your thruster. -Why don't you hold onto it for a while? - Anytime"
"Home is where you wear your hat... I feel so break-up, I want to go home."
Norm Coleman is a pampered, prissy-clothes wearing, plastic-surgery-stretched nancy-lad who can't get his wee lips off George Bush's arse long enough to fight back against Willie
And Chris Hitchens is a custard-bellied, gin-soaked, noodle-headed fancy-girl from Oxbridge who wouldn't know a just war if one bought him a round of Scotch
Norm Coleman is a pampered, prissy-clothes wearing, plastic-surgery-stretched nancy-lad who can't get his wee lips off George Bush's arse long enough to fight
Hoo Boy, that's so good I'm going to break my emoticon rule. 
Folks Daniel Okrent takes a shit all over Krugman and Dowd.
Don't read this if you have high blood pressure.
I know somebody posted the link above but it's just the kind of thing that makes you go "huh?".
You Catholic types have a surplice of terminology to throw at me.
Its really just convent-tional.
Well, if anyone is really terribly interested in Check 21 or check imaging in general...
Eli
Is this in a sexy Catch Me If You Can sort of way?
BTW --
I understand tyhat The Simpsons did a take off on Star Wars ("all that rises must converge") -- anybody here see it? Know if there is a link to a transcript available online?
I have to admit that I loved Star Wars (first movie I saw after spending a year & a half in the monastery) & The Empire Strikes Back (both on big screen theaters) -- for me it has been downhill from there...
I suck at tags.
Pew! Don't be so nave!
You're lucky I don't beat you to a pulpit. Now be a dear and get me a slice of preach pie.
are you QUiTE sure of that?
He's dead, Woody G.
"Witness"
They gotta name for the winnahs in th world...
i wanna name when i lose...
They call Alabama the Crimson Tide;
they call me Deacon Blues..."
and that's about all there is to say about it...
So much to comment on here.
Galloway vs. Hitchens? Galloway tore Hitchens a new one and Hitchens is desperately trying to get back at him. And let's don't forget, Hitchens still calls Bill Clinton a "rapist." Galloway is right, he badly needs another drink, his hands are shaking!!
Santorium on the cover of the NYT magazine. EEEEEK! Is this "Believer" going to tell us all why we should take our dead fetuses' home for the kids to kiss? What a whack job!
You don't like Star Wars? Who really cares?
You appear to...not that I really care.
who needs to relocate to Northern Virginia
No thanks very much just the same but no.
and Rick Santorum is a fetus-cuddling, dog-buggerin', chickenhawk-enablin', Hitler-analogizin' conservative pansy-fig-newton who needs to relocate to Northern Virginia to find hisself more horses to milk ... aye, damn yer eyes man.
You forgot spooge-gargling, trout-fondling, scum-sucking bottom feeder. Just sayin' . . .
But, good God! What an age is this, and what a world is this! that a man cannot live without playing the knave and dissimulation.
Samuel Pepys
(referring to Charles II)
So they thought they had problems
Charles II was another one of my favorite characters in history
Prior A,
I only loved the first Star Wars movie as well. Haven't even seen most of the others cause they seemed too contrived.
You can find the Simpsons on Comedycentral.com.
Hmmph, don't get your vicars in a twist.
I'd rather have my testicles deep-fried while still attached to my body than sit through The Phantom Penis again.
Having said that, Empire still rocks ass.
Shorter Daniel Okrent:
"I'm a dick."
I asked my 14 year old (classic rock fan/atheist/hater of Bush)if he wanted to go see the new Star Wars and he said "Do I have to?" This is the same child who saw the video "Amerikkuh - we stand as one" (whatever that bag of shit was called) and commented "that is so wrong" I told him we were probably going and he said "can I stay home?"
I got an 8 and an 11 year old so I'll be going sometime. I saw the other 5 might as well see this.
Is this in a sexy Catch Me If You Can sort of way?
Um, probably not. But if anyone can offer any ideas on what kind of check fraud to expect in an image-enabled world, we bankers would be very grateful...
Don't everyone raise your hands all at once.
I take full responibility for starting the pun wars (hangs head in shame)
Sorry, Hecate. Functionally, he's already yours.
I'd rather have my testicles deep-fried while still attached to my body than sit through The Phantom Penis again.
Whoa.
You're lucky I don't beat you to a pulpit. Now be a dear and get me a slice of preach pie.
Sermon's mitre censertive tonight...
Moulin Rouge, worst? Ever had the misfortune to sit through "Sleepless in Seattle? Road House? Anything with Patrick Swayze in in?
Gosh, Patricia Heaton will probably start a film career now.
and now for something completely OT
http://www.big-boys.com/articles.../
armyrillo.html
RE the thread right below: so this is what the money that formerly financed my proteomics grant is now being used for.
(Yes, I am bitter.)
Um, probably not. But if anyone can offer any ideas on what kind of check fraud to expect in an image-enabled world, we bankers would be very grateful...
I wish to god I knew what the hell you were talking about.
Folks Daniel Okrent takes a shit all over Krugman and Dowd.
My fantasy ...
The Guardian, which was planning a U.S. edition about two years ago, finally decides to go ahead with it. They hire Krugman, Rich, Herbert, MoDo and Gretchen Morgenson away from the pukey NY Times. They hire Wolcott. They hire Sid Blumenthal. They do journalism. They kick the Pinch Sulzberger and the rest of the NYT down West 43rd and out into Eighth Avenue, where it is flattened by one of the vile double-decker buses packed with Repuke Red State tourists that clog our city. Then, every dog in the neighborhood comes and pisses on its corpse.
Two words for those who have seen that scene. Jazz Hands.
Shorter Daniel Okrent: "I'm a dick." -Steve(NS)
I hate reducing people to genitalia (though that presumably is better than reducing people's genitalia), but that was exactly what I thought after reading that piece.
You're lucky I don't beat you to a pulpit. Now be a dear and get me a slice of preach pie.
Now, now. We kneel to be nice to each other.
got an 8 and an 11 year old so I'll be going sometime. I saw the other 5 might as well see this.
Wtlodge40 |9:06 pm
hll bubba, it means more to you than to them; take the mrs, getta babysitter; od on popcorn & pepsi...enjoy!!!
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Oh, and I haven't seen the next Star Wars movie yet. Probably will see it even though George Lucas clearly blew the series a long time ago. I must have closure.
But why-oh-why didn't he just hire a real writer?
And will you hate me if I confide that I liked "The Abyss?" I did. I'm sorry.
Sermon's mitre censertive tonight...
Sorry. Psalmtimes I just get too spirited.
I wish to god I knew what the hell you were talking about.
You & me both.
I have to admit that I loved Star Wars (first movie I saw after spending a year & a half in the monastery) & The Empire Strikes Back (both on big screen theaters) -- for me it has been downhill from there...
Prior Aelred
Yup, I'm on that Elitist Bus, too. The Cool Kids Special...
On a field trip to the Museum of Natural History, where our farking brains won't melt!
And they don't sell $12 candy bars, either.
One thing that is interesting
is the now famous line of
"Either your with me or your my enemy"
Is a shot of Anakin from the back .. you don't actually see his lips when he says the line.. almost like it could have been ADDED after the fact.
I actually enjoyed the movie
I saw "Revenge of the Sith" last night and pretty much enjoyed the heck out of it.
It ain't art, but it doesn't aspire to be, it's just 2 hours of escapist entertainment.
And maybe it's just me, but I thought the acting seemed lots better than in the previous two films.
Well, at least the cheesy Sci-Fi movie is starting off with a sex scene, so that's something...
I take full responibility for starting the pun wars (hangs head in shame)
Prior Aelred
's ok, prior A. We've discovered that pun wars are a very effective trool repellant.
well, the Descent starts off with female orgasm (allegedly not faked) and a barking dog, so Santorum can't be too happy.
I also think seeing it on a big screen with proper digital projection is a completely different experience than watching it on TV. On the upside, Hayden Christiansen manages to make Mark Hamill's performance in the first one look brilliant, no easy task.
I remember hearing the Christian Bale was once considered for the role of Anakin, which would've been like super awesome. And it would be a Velvet Goldmine reunion of sorts between Bale and MacGregor.
Not to give anything away, but while Ewan McGregor is fighting General Grievous, his robe falls open to reveal the ornate Japanese calligraphy inked on his light saber (for the Peter Greenaway fans).
Bwahahah. The time I saw The Pillow Book and Ewan went full frontal, I remarked to one of my friends that, "I could've gone my life without seeing Obi Wan's lightsaber".
Moulin Rouge, worst? Ever had the misfortune to sit through "Sleepless in Seattle? Road House? Anything with Patrick Swayze in in?
Mrs. Doubtfire.
Only movie I ever walked out of in the middle of it.
I feel so break-up, I want to go home."
is that not a line from the song "Sloop John B.?
I take full responibility for starting the pun wars (hangs head in shame)
(In voice of Luke Skywalker to Obi-Wan)
You fought in the Pun Wars?
And we have full frontal burning...
Cool! Dude just got his head vap-o-rized by lava coming out of his well! Suh-weet!!!
So regarding the thread below, if one were fertile, and liked sex, could one make a lot of money propagating fetus's. oooh creepy.
evening, freethinkers. drive by posting here most likely, but it's a SW thread so of course i have to chime in. lucas sucks, in a lot of ways that are easy to point out. like so many american filmmakers, he's unsophisticated and predictable.
i don't care. it's his luck to be one of my 'formative cultural moments' rather his products are, and i'll forgive him for anything b/c the childhood memory is so strong. i'm not alone, i know this and i suppose take comfort in it, even as i understand and rationally agree with all the reasons people have listed here that the recent (all of his?) movies kinda suck.
that said: i pine for the day when a hollywood producer comes to truly understand the value of sci-fi. what are the adjusted top grossing movies of all time? mostly, epic historical fiction or sci-fi. that says something to me. people are united in one thing perhaps: their desire to become more than they are, even if only for a moment in fantasy/fic. given that, the real 'great stories' out there are those that posit great challenge, difference, and adventure and the fictional/fantasy setting allows for the best of that. there are about 1000 sci fi or fantasy books i can think of that would make the best movies if given the attention to detail P. Jackson provides and the $ and directorial freedom lucas enjoys.
my list (not in order) starts something like:
hyperion/endymion
cryptonomicon and/or diamond age
any octavia butler or s. tepper
cs friedman 'in conquest born'
vinge's "deepness in the sky" and "fire upon the deep" as a series/trilogy
etc.
i hate that so many producers/gatekeepers in hollywood are so cowed/stupid/poorly read/unvisionary. i prefer fanfiction these days for those reasons, honestly. i enjoy and desire passion over money any day.
And will you hate me if I confide that I liked "The Abyss?" I did. I'm sorry.
gayle
I LOVE the Abyss - bad dialogue and all.
I also watch Roadhouse every chance I get.
So I have my own definition of 'so bad they're good'. Sue me.
Blue Dragon,
Yep.
Mrs. Doubtfire.
Parenthood. When Steve Martin began his own descent into bad movies...
JeffCO
How about:
LIZARDO:
"Sealed with a curse
Sharp as a knife
Doomed is your soul
And damned is your life!"
BUCKAROO:
"Buh buzz off!"
And my favorite:
"Lithium is no longer available on credit."
.
See how the main sail sets...
sady, we ain't got no captain
You're complaining about a different "Mouin Rouge" that the biography of Toulouse Lautrec with Jose Ferrar, right?
I saw it a long time ago & remembered very little -- then saw a parody of it on SCTV (called "Lust for Paint") & everything I could remember was in the comedy routine -- certainly better than their average skit (& I miss Bob & Doug Mackenzie)
I feel so break-up, I want to go home."
is that not a line from the song "Sloop John B.?
Yes, but imagine John Lithgow saying it in a thick Italian accent.
Actually, "Sloop John B" is oddly appropriate for that particular movie...
and the rednecks go after the PhDs...
Oh no! Rednecks!
"Let's get 'em!"
well, THAT was an exciting chase scene...
I could watch "barfly" over and over and over. Why?
Speaking of Greenaway, I have to say that The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover has to be one of the most overrated, pretentious pieces of crap I've ever seen. I'd sooner sit through back-to-back showings of Phantom Menace than ever see 1 minute of that movie ever again.
Eli--is this on Scifi? (perks up)
I liked The Abyss, too, although I didn't care for the director's cut.
Since then, Cameron has disappeared up his own ass.
Good choices, CD - but maybe not so filmable. Have you read any A.A. Attanasio?
nah, magnolia. It depends on fertilization conveniently outside the bod.
Oh no, phD's let's go get 'em
Sorry. Psalmtimes I just get too spirited.
This habit we've got into of tonsuring posters must stop.
Just tuned in to "The Descent"... out of shape smelly guys running through the woods with rifles?
Is this a documentary about ordinary life in upstate New York?
"and the rednecks go after the PhDs..."
Remember, only in the movies do the rednecks win in the end...
We hope.
run. Run. RUN! Fast-moving lava flow!
BlakNo1...I think Greenaway specializes in overrated and pretentious pieces of crap. See e.g., "The Belly of an Architect."
It's probably been mentioned already but the status of women from "A New Hope" to "Revenge of the Sith" has gone waaaaaaaaaaay down.
From Carrie Fisher blasting her way out of the Death Star to Natalie Portman lying in bed dying of childbirth.
I could watch "barfly" over and over and over. Why?
Cos it's a damned good movie, unlike the one I just lambasted.
Eli--is this on Scifi? (perks up)
Of course!
Um, what happened to the rednecks? Did they vanish into a red hole or something?
of course pHD's are highly acidic
Uh-oh! The city is collapsing!
Okay, so this movie is a cross between "The Core" and "Volcano," is that it?
Speaking of Greenaway, I have to say that The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover has to be one of the most overrated, pretentious pieces of crap I've ever seen. I'd sooner sit through back-to-back showings of Phantom Menace than ever see 1 minute of that movie ever again.
Oh, be fair.
Prospero's Books was much worse.
... that's red state, not red hole...
You fought in the Pun Wars?
Thersites
Shouldn't that be Punic Wars?
Whoa, it's a Matthew Modine lookalike.
And there's the Science Babe.
Prior A ...
I am talking about the Baz Luhrman one, where Ewan McGregory says (over and over and over again), "It's about love!"
I wanted to tear my own hair out.
Eli--I'll check it out at 9. The daughter is adamant that she get to watch 1 Hit Wonders on VH1.
Where did I go wrong?
So I guess we are liveblogging 'Descent' tonite?
Methinks this calls for a new thread.
I understand tyhat The Simpsons did a take off on Star Wars ("all that rises must converge") -- anybody here see it? Know if there is a link to a transcript available online? -Prior Aelred
Here's a list of all the references made to Star Wars on the Simpsons - not as many as to Citizen Kane or The Godfather, but quite a few. I think the episode you mean is the one where Mark Hamill guest-starred. More than everything you could want to know about it is on this page. There was also a DVD released this week with this episode and three others with Star Wars refs.
Not lithispiric thicture, or whatever the hell he just said..
Speaking of Greenaway, I have to say that The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover has to be one of the most overrated, pretentious pieces of crap I've ever seen. I'd sooner sit through back-to-back showings of Phantom Menace than ever see 1 minute of that movie ever again.
Oh, be fair.
Prospero's Books was much worse.
Drowning By Numbers *did* have that scene with Juliet Stephenson and the popsicle...
And there's the Science Babe.
... aw, thanks, you are too kind.
The "Noooo" was the single and only thing that I basically cringed at. But, I'm in the minority (at least here), in thinking the movie (esp that second half) really was surprisingly moving. I mean, I knew what was gonna happen but... I dunno.
None of the things that ticked me off in TPM and AOTC were in Sith. I mean it wasn't fabulous dialog but niether was this doozy "Governor Tarkin, I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board."
But pretty much all the dialog ran rings around TPM and ATOC.
3PO was just his normal prissy self with no "What a drag!" lines, Jar Jar was quite, poodoo free, and rare. and I was personally kinda overwhelmed by it. In the Star Wars universe, that's Something I haven't felt since...
Really, it's just the "Noooo". I didn't like that at all. It's too frakkin cliche. I just saw Mr. Krabs do it on Spongebob. Geez!
When Lucas tweaks it for the DVD, I give him permission to change that to just a primal scream. THAT would work, I think.
Otherwise...
Prospero's Books was much worse.
Really? I would've seen it at some point, it seems interesting. But, if it's worse than Cook, eeek!
These do NOT look like PhDs. They are not nearly irresistably sexy and witty enough.
From Carrie Fisher blasting her way out of the Death Star to Natalie Portman lying in bed dying of childbirth.
And that's so twisted because Portman is so much better than what's her name in the elaborate bronze slave getup; of course, just to be pedantic bastards, we could point out that what you're saying is that actually, it's going up (because this is segment three not six).
))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
kei, action-packed mentalist, and yuri, monolithic fishmonger X
Eli--I'll check it out at 9. The daughter is adamant that she get to watch 1 Hit Wonders on VH1.
Where did I go wrong?
It's like you're talking gibberish all of a sudden.
nah, magnolia. It depends on fertilization conveniently outside the bod.
NYMary/Lissadell
That is convenient.
The daughter is adamant that she get to watch 1 Hit Wonders on VH1.
Where did I go wrong?
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
You didn't. That show is a hoot!!
Cultural iconoclasm at its best.
"Speaking of hot - who's *this*?"
Brilliant!
Moulin Rouge, worst? Ever had the misfortune to sit through "Sleepless in Seattle? Road House? Anything with Patrick Swayze in in?
obviously, you've never seen "men of honor" or "getting even with dad."
"shadows of the empire" would have been one badass movie.
So I guess we are liveblogging 'Descent' tonite?
Good lord, I hope not. Thread killer.
chicago dyke--
I am with you on hyperion/endymion -- some truly great stuff (althogh I thought the bit about Jesus putting his DNA in the bread & wine at the Last Suppoer would have been better left out) -- very thought provoking & deep but with sex & violence -- what's not to like?
My favorite is David Gemmell, but he is more fantasy than sci-fi -- but fantasy with a difference
Luke Perry ain't aging all that well, is he.
"That would explain where the lava came from..."
(At diagram of middle of entire earth in cross section)
No shit. Lave comes from underground. Where did you get your degree, doctor? Liberty U?
Flory--but...but...I want to see heads explode and cities get leveled!
I thought the bit about Jesus putting his DNA in the bread & wine at the Last Suppoer would have been better left out)
What, were they out of mayo?
Gosh, Patricia Heaton will probably start a film career now.
EPT
I fucking hated Raymond, his whiny wife and his mother most of all. She was an ad for matricide.
If Bin Lauden was dead wouldn't the Bushies have made hay of it as a win against the terrorists?
So there's no "proof" they've never worried about that before.
"What, were they out of mayo?"
I KNEW there was a reason I hated mayo (except for the good stuff on pommes frites in Belgium)
I am with you on hyperion/endymion -- some truly great stuff (althogh I thought the bit about Jesus putting his DNA in the bread & wine at the Last Suppoer would have been better left out) -- very thought provoking & deep but with sex & violence -- what's not to like?
Dan Simmons. Great plots, great concepts, but kinda crappy prose and dialogue... Still not as bad as Harry Turtledove, tho.
These coal-industry, GE commercials with sexy people mining coal to the tune of "16 Tons" are pretty freaky creepy.
Selling your soul to the company store never seemed so... HOT.
I agree with Woody.
---Hell bubba, it means more to you than to them;---
Always take time to enjoy your children.
Ray Romano was really funny when he appeared on eps of Dr Katz. I watched 5 minutes of a Raymond ep before I had to switch it off for fear of vomiting.
I once recommended Bukowski's Post Office to a postal worker friend. It became the must read among the city's post office staff. The city library had some kind of rare edition, which one of these postals ripped off.
JeffCo --
Many thanks
My fantasy ...
The Guardian, which was planning a U.S. edition about two years ago, finally decides to go ahead with it. They hire Krugman, Rich, Herbert, MoDo and Gretchen Morgenson away from the pukey NY Times. They hire Wolcott. They hire Sid Blumenthal. They do journalism. They kick the Pinch Sulzberger and the rest of the NYT down West 43rd and out into Eighth Avenue, where it is flattened by one of the vile double-decker buses packed with Repuke Red State tourists that clog our city. Then, every dog in the neighborhood comes and pisses on its corpse.
Res Ipsa Loquitur
From your lips to God's* ears
*insert your favorite empowerment source.
Thersites--that commercial bothers me. C'mon, that song is so anti-corporate it's not funny. did someone bother to listen to the lyrics?
What observations are you making in your current experiment?
Is that WORF?
Clean sheets for the non-Sci-Fi watchers...
Uh-oh, Luke Perry and Science Babe have... History.
Oh, good one.
"Parenthood. When Steve Martin began his own descent into bad movies..."
Oh, that was bad. And his remake of "Cheaper by the Dozen" marked rock bottom for him. A rancid movie, just awful.
A shame because the original (not the Lucille Ball version) was very good. Based on a real-life story and quite poignant. I hate it when Hollywood does bad things to good movies-- twice!!
Prospero's Books was much worse.
Really? I would've seen it at some point, it seems interesting. But, if it's worse than Cook, eeek!
It's dreadful. Even more self-indulgent and visually overdone than, well, The Phantom Menace.
The Wachowski brothers got a case of Lucasitis after The Matrix... They make a great piece of pulpy scifi, and then they start believing all the fan hype, and all of the sudden the work must be important and they drain all the fun out of it.
I saw it a long time ago & remembered very little -- then saw a parody of it on SCTV (called "Lust for Paint") & everything I could remember was in the comedy routine -- certainly better than their average skit (& I miss Bob & Doug Mackenzie)-Prior Aelred
SCTV is also out on (very expensive) DVD collections (Deepdiscountdvd.com is the best online site to get it), but TVLand has also been running the original episodes on Friday nights. I loved Lust For Paint! Last night they ran the first Canadian episode- with Captain Combat and Gunny Rabbit.
I will also stand up for Baz Luhrmann - I thought Moulin Rouge! was brilliant and a stunning reworking of the Hollywood musical format, the Lady Marmalade skankfest video excepted.
Barfly is a great movie! That one and Leaving Las Vegas I can watch a hundred times...
Yeah, but is that WORF?!
What, were they out of mayo?
Thersites
I'm going to go to Hell for the mental picture this caused.
Flory--but...but...I want to see heads explode and cities get leveled!
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
Patience, my child. Remember 40 hours next weekend.
This movie isn't bad enough to be fun.
These coal-industry, GE commercials with sexy people mining coal to the tune of "16 Tons" are pretty freaky creepy.
Selling your soul to the company store never seemed so... HOT.
Thersites
Bingo Thersites
Eli --
I liked Turtledove's Videssos books & the World War series (with the aliens landing in the middle of WWII), but I suspect that a ghostwriting machine has been in use ever since
The Wachowski brothers got a case of Lucasitis after The Matrix... They make a great piece of pulpy scifi, and then they start believing all the fan hype, and all of the sudden the work must be important and they drain all the fun out of it.
The philosopy part of it just metastasized and took over. And it wasn't even *real* philosophy (I watched Reloaded with a PhD and he confirmed that it was gibberish)...
I had a case of bad underground gas once.
FLEXTURE!
Eli--they always do. Supposedly it legitimizes the inevitable sex that occurs.
What's wrong with meeting a hot guy and just saying, I like you, let's do it? It seems that unless there is some kind of history, there's no sex in these things!
I liked Turtledove's Videssos books & the World War series (with the aliens landing in the middle of WWII), but I suspect that a ghostwriting machine has been in use ever since
Haven't read the Videssos - I like the Worldwar series, it's just that he has kind of a tin ear.
What observations are you making in your current experiment?
Uh, that made-for Sci-Fi Channel movies are kinda crappy?
Oooh, when Luke Perry says "subduction zones," it's DAMN sexy.
I have to say that these people have better department meetings than we do.
"It's like this jelly doughnut. Jelly's gotta go somewhere. Lotta jelly down there."
BEST GEOLOGICAL METAPHOR ever in crappy science fiction movie! Why can't there be an oscar for that!
If Bin Lauden was dead wouldn't the Bushies have made hay of it as a win against the terrorists?
No. He's worth more "alive" (as a boogeyman) than dead.
That IS Worf!
I'd rather have my testicles deep-fried while still attached to my body than sit through The Phantom Penis again.
If that was the one with The Big Race, and Jar-Jar, I picked up my guitar and started banging onm it, while following (?) the video after about 15 minutes, and kept it up through most of the movie, so I have no real idea what it was actually about. I bet there are those who sat through it in the theaters who are in the same boat.
I do remember something about a rather large Jewish Bumblebee, and the aforementioned Big Race (I went on Elvis Alert right about then), but other than that, ZZzzzzzzz...
Yes, Tiger. That's Worf.
We never got Ray on Katz and in fact thought he should get out of things dependent on his voice since it was so damn annoying. In fact in general we didn't like Katz.
Oh yeah, that whole "talk pretty, say nothing" section with The Architect, egad!
Thersites--I meant the one where you're the the PI on whiskey toxicity! Data, dammit!
Your departmental meetings can't be any worse than ours...the best thing i can say for ours is that our chair hates them and keeps them short.
Oh no! The bridge!
Hot Worfing Action!
That jelly doughnut line was worth the price of admission for me already.
3 terrabytes? Big fucking deal.
Oh yeah, that whole "talk pretty, say nothing" section with The Architect, egad!
God, I fucking hated that. It was the whole explanation of the entire raison d'etre of the series, and it made no bloody sense!
Also, what would have happened if Neo just tried to kill him?
That jelly doughnut line was worth the price of admission for me already.
I wouldn't mind a jelly donut right now.
So, the PhD halfwits just boosted a supercomputer, that looks a lot like a regular server?
SWR, and there were so many good female characters in A New Hope, weren't there? Let's see, there was Princess Leia, and there was . . . .
Another reason why I never got into the whole Star Wars thing.
She's always dreamed of building a giant phallus?
oh is that the movie made from that cheesy jeff long book? (the descent)
not that theres anything wrong with cheesy sci fi.
"Not the same woman that looked up to you all those years ago"
Imagine Luke hears that a lot.
Ring of Fire? I always thought that was the after effects of a too-hot curry the night before.
I completely missed the jelly donut bit, was probably making fun of something else. Oh well...
Extinction-level event!
Dun dun DUN!!!
Eli --
Videssos is a sort of fake Byzantium -- kind of my thing -- he takes certain bits of history & adapts them -- quite fun if you are in on what's going on
I wish theyd make a movie based on "the prisoner". I have no idea what the movie would be about, but I had no idea of what the original series was about either
Speaking of bad sci-fi moves.... Do not EVER pay money to rent "Alone in the Dark." THe kind of movie that is so bad you hate the clerk at the check out counter for not only not warning you as you check it out, but for even putting it on the shelf to begin with.
It's Ed Woodesque, but with a bigger budget.
"drunk?" that's all you have to say about that hitchens piece? weak.
Ooo, cool! Sci-Fi's running a bad movie marathon on Memorial Day weekend!
How come everyone from republicans to democrats are making accusations of "fascism" and "nazi" Is it really in the air like they intuit it, or are the repukes just using it as talking points, to steal the language?
I wish theyd make a movie based on "the prisoner". I have no idea what the movie would be about, but I had no idea of what the original series was about either
Can the series really be improved on, tho?
I wish theyd make a movie based on "the prisoner". I have no idea what the movie would be about, but I had no idea of what the original series was about either
Well, there's the reality series, renamed as "The Bush Administration"...
I'd rather have my testicles deep-fried while still attached to my body than sit through The Phantom Penis again.
It's still about acting.
First Series:
Alec Guiness
Harrison Ford
James Earl Jones
Second:
Hayden Christianson
The Guy from Trainspotting
Natalie Portmann
It's not that Natalie Portmann or the guy from Trainspotting are bad actors but they're younger and were probably dominated by Lucas.
In the first series you had veteran actors who would put in a good performance even though the script sucked.
I'm afraid they would totally screw up the Prisoner. I love that series.
mmmmm... jelly doughnut
Well, there's the reality series, renamed as "The Bush Administration"...
"Reality"???
I'm watching "Our Fathers" on Showtime--on the Cardinal Law/pedophile priest scandal.
It might be hard to make a bad movie out of this, but it's even more powerful than I expected.
To coin a phrase, Jesus Christ.
It's not that Natalie Portmann or the guy from Trainspotting are bad actors but they're younger and were probably dominated by Lucas.
In the first series you had veteran actors who would put in a good performance even though the script sucked.
Not sure Harrison Ford could really be described as a "veteran actor" when he was in Star Wars...
It ain't art, but it doesn't aspire to be, it's just 2 hours of escapist entertainment
And actually, it's--to me, anyway--a bit like the Boston albums; However many there were, they all added up to one huge fucking album released in parts, or--if you prefer--one incredibly huge song infinitely subdivided. The last bits not all that much different, or better, or worse, than the first. It's just that you get tired of it after a while.
Also too, my willing suspension of disbelied tends to work in "fool me once..." mode, and, as my Grandma used to say, ":enough is enough, and too much is also".
Obtuse enough for ya?
Data, dammit!
Should I enable my emotion chip?
Hecate--
I am with you on The Prisoner -- I suppose it is available on tape or DVD these days, but I haven't seen it since it was on the telly -- it came up the other night (a week ago?) -- I loved it -- of course, I AM Number Two!
"Print that. Look at this."
he's so bossy!
I wouldn't mind a jelly donut right now.
watertiger -9:35 pm
how about a jelly roll?
oooh, ominous. "This is about to get a lot worse..."
Not sure Harrison Ford could really be described as a "veteran actor" when he was in Star Wars...
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With him, it was more about being the basic Marlboro Man/Cowboy. Easy to do in a movie.
And I also saw him interviewed about it. He thought the script was awful and he was showing how he had to try to save all the lines.
The Science Babe is disappointing me...
How come everyone from republicans to democrats are making accusations of "fascism" and "nazi" Is it really in the air like they intuit it, or are the repukes just using it as talking points, to steal the language?
For the Repukes: it's projection.
For the Dems: it's pointing out reality.
Dude! Lava tubes!
And apparently solid rock isn't an obstacle.
Good to know.
oooh, ominous. "This is about to get a lot worse..."
Uh-oh. Cause it already sucks pretty badly...
he was showing how he had to try to save all the lines
"Kid, I've been from one end of this galaxy to the other..."
magnolia, considering that the Republicans welcomed many Nazis and allies of the Nazies through its Nationalities Council, they should not be allowed to try to pin the Nazis on the left.
Alan Dulles was the lobbiest for Farben, for creeps sake. The Republicans loved Der Furher before Pearl Harbor. They loved Il Duce becuase he "made the trains run on time (another Luce lie,from what an old Italian I used to know told me). They didn't like the "Japs" though. But their dislike of them was only skin deep.
magnolia,
The wingnuts think they are being really smart by stealing legit Dem accusations of Fascism and Natzi-ism and turning it on us, despite any legitimate backup. The Dems are for freedom and liberty and the GOP wants to butt into our most private AND public lives and tell us how to think, talk and behave. Which party is trying to control? HA!
Prior Aelred,
They probably are on DVD; I'd like to watch the whole thing in order again. I always thought it was about the fact that there are no good guys and no bad guys in the world of politics and about keeping your sanity and integrity in a world meant to undermine both -- but maybe I read too much into it. You're No. 2???? WHO IS NUMBER ONE?
Kid, I've been from one end of this galaxy to the other..."
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Alec Guiness could have read from the phone book and put in a good performance.
he was showing how he had to try to save all the lines
Man, how I loved SNL's Star Wars auditions, especially "Walken".
re #6: A&E did a set (as with the Flying Circus, with inforgivable menus probably) for like $120ish or individually.
SWR's lists strikes us as strangely argued: both old and new had a sprinkling of excellent (or "real" actors) in a mix of nobodies. We still argue over why blank wooden doll Harrison left annoying idiot Hammill behind, since they both suck.
Lesson One : How to run a husband out of the living room.
Put on a DVD of "Shall We Dance"
Isn't there something in the Geneva Conventions covering this sort of abuse?
The Science Babe is disappointing me...
Indeed. What's with all that shirt-wearing?
I can't listen to Worf without waiting for him to pull out one of those Klingon axes...
The wingnuts think they are being really smart by stealing legit Dem accusations of Fascism and Natzi-ism and turning it on us, despite any legitimate backup.
Don't forget racism! Poor, poor Janice Rogers Brown and Miguel Estrada!
Why do Democrats hate the noble Americans of color?
Alec Guiness could have read from the phone book and put in a good performance.
100% agreement.
Read the book. (It actually is better than the movie.) It's chock full of all those great anti-Bush lines you've been hearing about. My favorite, "It's morning in the Republic!" (Spoken by Palpatine in his address to the Senate.)
Before Pearl Harbor? Hell, after the war, Ford sued the US Army Air Corps for destroying his property and won millions. His property in this case was a working Nazi tank factory.
We still argue over why blank wooden doll Harrison left annoying idiot Hammill behind, since they both suck.
Harrison Ford's not a great actor but he's fine for the roles he plays.
The Trainspotting guy's actually a good actor. I don't know what happened in Revenge of the Sith. His timing was just horrible.
Definately on DVD - I have it.
okay, one of the phds is going to cark it.
"Raymond" wasn't all that bad. I didn't watch it regularly or anything but it was hardly the worst thing on TV. Someone above mentioned they hated the Mother. Too bad. I thought she was the best thing about the show. Oh, well.
Patricia Heaton destroyed her reputation with her embarrassing and nationally televised "Please don't starve Terri Schaivo to death!! Waaah!!, Waaah!!", crying rant. Damn, if the show wasn't going off the air, anyway, it would have had to after that debacle.
Caught the women who played the Mom on "Real Time" one night. What a hot shit! Maybe that's why I liked her character!
Alec Guiness could have read from the phone book and put in a good performance.
100% agreement.
Who is more foolish? The Foley, or the Follis who follows him?
Okay, that's a *little* better...
Running with the bulls?!
oy vey.
Lesson One : How to run a husband out of the living room.
Put on a DVD of "Shall We Dance"
Isn't there something in the Geneva Conventions covering this sort of abuse?
My wife once got mad at me because I didn't notice she put new dust ruffles on the bed.
I thought it was completely unfair to expect a husband to even know what the hell dust ruffles are in the first place.
What are dust ruffles? Are they good with dip?
I think they still dig each other!!!
Poor Ewan McGregor, he is now stuck with the moniker "The Trainspotting Guy".
Hahaha!
Hecate...
"You are Number Six!"
"I am Number Two!"
(Number Three has just been captured again by Army Rangers...)
okay, one of the phds is going to cark it.
Usually, yeah.
The Prisoner is the greatest TV series ever.
And, yes, it's all avaialable on DVD, as is all of the Secret Agent series, too.
GEEK CONFESSION: For the last ten years, I have dressed up as Number 6 for Halloween. (If I ever get a Guy Fawkes mask, I will dress up as V from "V For Vendetta".)
What are dust ruffles? Are they good with dip?
Do they have dust ridges?
Thersites,
dust ruffles merely act as a screen to hide all the shit one slides under the bed.
Dust has nothing to do with it.
(Number Three has just been captured again by Army Rangers...)
If he's not completely bald, with little glasses and a constipated expression, then they've got the wrong guy...
Best Danny Boyle movie: Shallow Grave.
Fucking great.
They loved Il Duce becuase he "made the trains run on time (another Luce lie
A-farking-men. Having the trains run on time is a poor trade off for liberty. Same bullshit the reThugs push about how we haven't had a terrorist attack since 9/11 thanks to the great *leadership* of GWB. Hahahahaha. Before that dunce, there was NEVER an attack on mainland American soil. What utter morons they think we are. The are less than half right.
Yes, but imagine John Lithgow saying it in a thick Italian accent.
Laugh a-while you can, Monkeyboy!
Best line in a SF movie, ever.
In the first series you had veteran actors who would put in a good performance even though the script sucked.
SWR
Actually no. Lucas specifically wanted unknowns.
The only thing Harrison Ford had done was American Graffiti and he was originally hired just to do readings with the other actors. He talked Lucas into giving him the role.
Alec Guinness was specifically hired to give the movie some respectibility and gravitas.
And here we thought the Trainspotting guy was that guy who would start a fight by tossing a glass mug over his shoulder into someone's face.
What is the origin of trainspotting? Does it refer to something about watching the veins?
Rhyming slang for vein-blotting?
GEEK CONFESSION: For the last ten years, I have dressed up as Number 6 for Halloween. (If I ever get a Guy Fawkes mask, I will dress up as V from "V For Vendetta".)
I have a No. 6 button, just in case I need to avail myself of that particular option.
Usually I just draw on some chest hair and put on a bunch of 70s clothes...
Yes, I do have a DVD monkey on my back. You usually can pick up The Prisoner box set at Costco (though dvdpricesearch.com is where I look for the best deals). I've been working through the episodes again, almost up to Fall Out.
Re: Shall We Dance - I hope you mean the Japanese film (which was very good), not the Hollywood one.
Best Danny Boyle movie: Shallow Grave.
that was a SICK movie! loved it!
dust ruffles merely act as a screen to hide all the shit one slides under the bed.
How? Like, holograms or something? What the hell are you talking about?
Alec Guiness could have read from the phone book and put in a good performance.
Ever see "A Handful of Dust?" Creepy Alec GUiness.
Alec Guinness was specifically hired to give the movie some respectibility and gravitas.
James Earl Jones had waaaaaaaaay more gravitas than Hayden Christianson.
And Lukas just wasted Samuel Jackson. Even he sucked.
Best Danny Boyle movie: Shallow Grave.
that was a SICK movie! loved it!
I really enjoyed the interview sequence.
"Alec Guiness
Harrison Ford
James Earl Jones"
I'll give you Alec Guiness and James Earl Jones.
But Harrison Ford? This guy hasn't been good in a movie since "American Graffiti."
Wooden, wooden, wooden.
They are also one more reason for the wife to go shopping for bedding.
JftB,
I find Shallow Grave beyond creepy, especially Christopher Eccleston.
OK, Geekazoyd question of the night, for you Mac-ites; Why would 2 freshly burnt Mac CDs, one done in Windows with Transmac, the other Toasted in an emulated mac, one HFS, the other HFS+, both instantly crash any Windows machine they touch? This has got me befuzzled.
Hey, in Revenge Of The Sith, after Anakin puts on the Darth mask for the first time, whose voice does he have?
watertiger -
It was gorgeous cinematography too, wasn't it? The garish tones of the flat, and remember that shot where light filters through the holes in the ceiling where the crazy roomate has himself sequestered...
Usually I just draw on some chest hair and put on a bunch of 70s clothes...
I once went as Mitchell & Mary went as Torgo.
Want to know if we fooled around in costume?
Thought not...
I am so stoked for Batman Begins.
I just wish the Batmobile wasn't such an ugly fucking travesty.
Hey, in Revenge Of The Sith, after Anakin puts on the Darth mask for the first time, whose voice does he have?
Bob Golthwaite's. Believe it or not.
But Harrison Ford? This guy hasn't been good in a movie since "American Graffiti."
Wooden, wooden, wooden.
The whole sexual tension thing with Carrie Fisher was at least believable.
I literally cringed when Natalie Portman and Hayden Christianson were talking to each other.
We still argue over why blank wooden doll Harrison left annoying idiot Hammill behind, since they both suck.
Harrison Ford has aged really well.
Mark Hamill.....didn't.
(Yeeesh - have you seen him lately? There's a reason plastic surgery was invented.)
The Prisoner is the greatest TV series ever.
And, yes, it's all avaialable on DVD, as is all of the Secret Agent series, too.
GEEK CONFESSION: For the last ten years, I have dressed up as Number 6 for Halloween. (If I ever get a Guy Fawkes mask, I will dress up as V from "V For Vendetta".)
... do you know you can stay at the place in Wales were it was filmed?
And it's the best Mardi Gras comstume ever. Esp if you can get the big white weather balloon to follow you
Want to know if we fooled around in costume?
Wouldn't it be easier out of costume?
NYMary -
Christopher Eccleston = psycho roomate?
What the hell are you talking about?
Ideally, the dust ruffle should reach the floor, thus hiding from view the underneath of the bed.
That's what the hell I'm talking about.
And now I'm going to pressurize some stabilizers.
I literally cringed when Natalie Portman and Hayden Christianson were talking to each other.
Haven't seen the new one, but I remember feeling acutely embarrassed during their scenes in the second one.
Harrison Ford was good in Witness.
I literally cringed when Natalie Portman and Hayden Christianson were talking to each other.
What, so you DON'T think sand is coarse?
(Yeeesh - have you seen him lately? There's a reason plastic surgery was invented.)
Mark Hamill drove his Beemer off a freeway after "Star Wars" came out. He was trapped in his "Eight is Enough" contract and couldn't get out to film "Empire," so allegedly, he got into his car "impaired" and that's why his face looks so much different in the second movie.
The deep-core drill only has two asses!
It's of no use to me, I'll have to burn the mantle.
Eli
Agreed on the Batman flick. If he is as good as he was in Equilibrium, should make up for the Kilmer and CLooney years.
oh oh I remember one
The Remains of the Day
Who are (were?) Mitchell & Torgo?
You know, I have this feeling that this mission isn't going to go according to plan.
"drunk?" that's all you have to say about that hitchens piece? weak.
I suppose weak describes the piece just about as well as drunk. Or you could use badly-reasoned, vituperative, jingoistic, or full of unsupported innuendo. The possibilities are endless!
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All this wierd corporate fascist stuff going on with Hitler rising in power and the butler is oblivious.
If Bin Lauden was dead wouldn't the Bushies have made hay of it as a win against the terrorists?
Of OBL's croaked it, we're better off if nobody knows about it, nodameen?
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RE: Trainspotting. Makes no sense in the film. In the book it's a metaphor.
Here's the scene: Renton and Begbie are out for a night of drinking. They wander into Leith Central Station, an abandoned train station, given over mostly to the drunks and homeless. They piss, and an especially nasty old drunk wanders over to them "Trainspottin', eh?" he says, and after he leaves, Begbie reacts violently, as per usual. As it turns out, the old man is Begbie's father.
See, watching the trains come and go (trainspotting) is the sign of a completely empty life. Watching the trains come and go in an abandoned train station... well, you can draw your own conclusions.
WaterTiger, I thought he had been hit by a drunk driver? One way or another, yep his face IIRC was pretty much completely reconstructed.
Harrison Ford has aged really well.
Mark Hamill.....didn't.
If you didn't really have to do anything else after turning, what, 30...
I don't think Mark cares too much, is all I'm saying.
I once went as Mitchell & Mary went as Torgo.
Miiiittttcccchhhhh-eeeellllllll!!!!
Actually, IIRC, Mary mentioned that here once. Come to think of it, that dust ruffle comment seems familiar too. Dooo-doot-doot Dooo-Dooo-doot-doot... (meant to evoke the haunting Torgo's theme)
ooh, a dig at the military industrial complex!
ooh, a dig at the military industrial complex!
So to speak.
watertiger --
No -- Luke's face looks different because he got rebuilt after being attacked by that abominable snowman! -- don't you remember?
Well, to be fair, Hammill got in a pretty serious motorcycle accident in what, 1980? So some of his aging is scarring.
Plus, he has a sense of humor about himself. The Star Wars Guys and Dolls on The Simpsons was a hoot.
Redoubt, Alaska?
Is that like Intercourse, Pennsylvania?
No -- Luke's face looks different because he got rebuilt after being attacked by that abominable snowman! -- don't you remember?
Hmm. Maybe that was the whole reason for that scene?
Timmeh!!!
You know, I have this feeling that this mission isn't going to go according to plan.
That's what Colin Powell said...
Didn't stop him from signing on, either.
Harrison Ford has aged really well.
Way better than Micky Roarke. Saw a photo of him recently that would scare an ocelot. A freakshow of a face - plastic surgery courtesy of the Marquis de Sade.
ooh, a dig at the military industrial complex!
Anybody get the sense they rewrote the script really fast to make it look like an anti-Bush movie.
Then you'd generate some controversy and give people over 20 a reason to see it.
I'm betting there were a lot of cute fuzzy animals that wound up on the cutting room floor in the editing.
Well i don't know if obl is dead, but people loved him, so he would be martryed and that would cause almost as much trouble as Newseek did.
vIs that like Intercourse, Pennsylvania?
I don't visit there as often as I'd like...
James Earl Jones had waaaaaaaaay more gravitas than Hayden Christianson.
True. But he is only a voice in the first trilogy. And he was a last minute addition when the guy inside the Vader suit had a voice too high and squeeky for the role.
WT - I wasn't talking about Hamill in the second movie, but about him now. He looks like he's about 75, his jowls are so droopy.
Surgery, dude.
Oh no!
*Magnetic* lava! That's, like, not even fair!
CUTIE PIE????
Bush supporters ARE severely brain-damaged. As I've said before, they think Preznit Jerkoff is all that because he is dumber than a stump - like they are!
And THIS chicken-hawk is speaking at Annapolis???? WTF!
"Bush gets mixed reception at Christian college
By Caren Bohan2 hours, 20 minutes ago
President Bush on Saturday championed faith in American society, but ran into some criticism as courted his Christian base in a commencement speech at a Michigan college.
"We need to support and encourage the institutions and pursuits that bring us together. And we learn how to come together by participating in our churches and temples and mosques and synagogues," Bush told graduating seniors at Calvin College, a Christian liberal-arts college.
The college describes itself as a "center of faith-anchored liberal arts teaching and scholarship," and Bush has aggressively sought to reinforce his support among religious conservatives who helped deliver him a reelection victory in 2004.
But anti-Bush ads that ran in the local newspaper, protests outside the event and buttons worn on graduates' robes made clear that many students and faculty objected to Bush's policies.
"We believe your administration has launched an unjust and unjustified war in Iraq," said a letter signed by about one-third the college's 300 faculty members and published in Saturday's Grand Rapids Press.
"As Christians, we are called to be peacemakers and to initiate war only as a last resort," it said.
The letter criticized economic policies that it said favored the wealthy over the poor, and faulted Bush for mixing religion and politics and exhibiting and "intolerance" for others' views.
It cited "conflicts between our understanding of what Christians are called to do and many of the policies of your administration."
The letter followed an earlier ad by students, alumni and faculty who said they were troubled that Bush was to be the commencement speaker.
Bush's speech emphasized community service and he urged graduates to volunteer. "This isn't a Democrat idea. This isn't a Republican idea. This is an American idea," he said.
Some graduating students wore buttons that said "God is not a Democrat or a Republican."
A few dozen protesters gathered outside, carrying signs that read, "Conservatives and moderates reject extremism" and "Thou shalt not torture."
But there were also many Bush supporters, with placards that said, "We love Bush" and "Cutie pie."
Bush, a Methodist, often talks of the importance of faith in his life. Some critics see this as crossing a line between religion and politics.
Bush said his emphasis on religion does not make him intolerant of those who do not share his beliefs.
"I don't condemn somebody in the political process because they may not agree with me on religion," he said.
Calvin College is the venue for one of two commencement speeches Bush will be delivering this year. He is scheduled to speak at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis on Friday."
Where are the hot pockets and gratuitous Q.E.D. hacking remarks? If they are going to rip off another movie, they should do it right.
Um, why didn't they just use the rockets in the first place?
Come to think of it, that dust ruffle comment seems familiar too.
Possibly. I tend to repeat myself. Possibly.
Solid rock! Oh no! Whatever you do, don't run into the solid rock with the giant fucking drill bit!
NYMary we once thought that too but "trainspotting" really is an English slang term long pre-dating the flick, used in many other places including an early Python sketch ("camel spotting"). Was Trainspotting the best film of the Nineties?
Anybody get the sense they rewrote the script really fast to make it look like an anti-Bush movie.
Did you notice the "W" on the side of the reporter's vasn before?
Maybe they realized just who the hell were the only people watching their movies... That mummy stuff from last week might have tipped 'em off...
Nothing wrong with that.
""drunk?" that's all you have to say about that Hitchens piece? weak.
perigord"
I thought we had moved on to movies and TV, perigord, but since you brought it up:
Galloway blasted Hitchens for his notorious drinking habit. So no, it wasn't me, it was Galloway. And it was pretty damn sweet.
Hitchens is full of shit. His "I'm really a Socialist" line becomes utterly translucent if you read him regularly. He's a sycophant for the neo-con hard right. Oh sure, he's also an atheist, but that just makes him sorrier when you think of who he's teamed himself up with on every other issue. I couldn't care less if he's a drunk or not. But apparently, a lot a people in his home country are onto him.
"But anti-Bush ads that ran in the local newspaper, protests outside the event and buttons worn on graduates' robes made clear that many students and faculty objected to Bush's policies."
Hmm beginning to sound like another place, another time.
My kids bought me a DVD player for Mother's Day so I am stocking up on stuff I like and making a list of must-haves.
I just won "Ed Wood" on e-bay - the one with Johnny Depp. I love that movie!
So far I have:
"Caddyshack"
"Some Like It Hot"
"Sunset Boulevard"
"Funny Girl"
"Of Human Bondage" (with Betty Davis)
"Zelig"
"The Producers"
"The Odd Couple"
"House of Wax" (1953 - Vincent Price)
"Annie Hall"
JftB,
Yeah, he was the psycho roommate. Also Jude in Jude the Obscure. I heard a rumor he was supposed to be Arther Dent, too.
This administration goes on much longer, I'm going to take to the ceiling tiles myself....
Was Trainspotting the best film of the Nineties?
No, that was The Cutting Edge.
Was Trainspotting the best film of the Nineties?
Exotica
In the Name of the Father
I go back and forth between those two.
Yeah, he was the psycho roommate. Also Jude in Jude the Obscure. I heard a rumor he was supposed to be Arther Dent, too.
Wasn't he also Dr. Who for, like, five minutes? I think he was also in Elizabeth. Er, so to speak.
Does the PhD's ship have dust ruffles?
Solid rock! Oh no! Whatever you do, don't run into the solid rock with the giant fucking drill bit!
Eli
Wouldn't have fazed Buckaroo one bit.
Is Middle-Aged Government Lady hitting on the feeble PhDs???
Mickey Rourke then...
Mickey Rourke now.
Trainspotting was one of the best films of the nineties. But it was an amazing, astounding book. I teach it whenever I can reasonably manage to fit it onto a syllabus.
Wouldn't have fazed Buckaroo one bit.
He had kind of a different approach. More zen, less confrontational.
Was Trainspotting the best film of the Nineties?
Hell no! Both Pi and Goodfellas blow it away.
I think Science Babe is hiding something.
...the skating movie? Are you mad?
Wild At Heart is also way better than Trainspotting.
I have a No. 6 button, just in case I need to avail myself of that particular option.
Eli
The incredibly cool (and sympathetic) MissusX sewed some white piping around the edges of a thriftstore suitjacket for me... add a colorful brolly, and you're all set. But that would be telling.
... do you know you can stay at the place in Wales were it was filmed?
And it's the best Mardi Gras comstume ever. Esp if you can get the big white weather balloon to follow you
lb0313
Yes, very cool place, always wanted to visit. I belonged to the Prisoner Appreciation society, so I have prop Maps of the Village, Village newspapers, etc. I know where I can get a big white weather balloon...
Harrison Ford: Worst screen kisser. Ever. Watch him making the smoochie face in Blade Runner and try not to laugh out loud. Ditto any Indy Jones kissing. Hilarious!
Mark Hammill: Best. Joker voice. EVER!
Well, I'll stand up for the Boyle/Hodge team generally, and I think Trainspotting had great acting.
Topsy Turvy shared a lot of actors with Trainspotting, and is also a great 90's film.
...the skating movie? Are you mad?
As a hatter, I'm sure.
Hell no! Both Pi and Goodfellas blow it away.
BlakNo1 | Email | Homepage | 05.21.05 - 10:13 pm | #
Didn't Dances with Wolves beat out Goodfellas for Best Picture?
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Silence of the Lambs was pretty good also.
Science Babe is throwing the Giant Drilling Phallus into reverse and pulling out...
"But anti-Bush ads that ran in the local newspaper, protests outside the event and buttons worn on graduates' robes made clear that many students and faculty objected to Bush's policies."
Hmm beginning to sound like another place, another time.
EkCenTriK
We need MORE of that!
My kids bought me a DVD player for Mother's Day so I am stocking up on stuff I like and making a list of must-haves. -Terry C.
Special edition of Stripes coming out next month, to go with your Caddyshack DVD. Please enjoy this 25% off coupon for (evil corporate) Border's, good till the end of the month. Their DVD prices suck (usually full MSRP), but they do have a good selection. (For the record, I buy my books at the honorable indie bookstores.)
I am watching this in a small window on the PC, and for all the world they look like Baseball Catchers.
I just came out of Revenge of the Sith.
I didn't even hear the "Nooooooo" that you are all talking about.
The movie was a fine Opera - and like all opera I do not go for the acting or the dialog but for the entire emotional effect. On that level the movie worked remarkably well.
I think Luca's redeemed himself from Attack of the Clones with this film and I enjoyed it wooden dialog and all.
Oh, BlakNo1,
No way. Wild at Heart is as exercrable as Laura Dern's vomit. Convenient, when a movie provides its own metaphor. But then I don't really like David Lynch.
5000 degrees Celsius? Does it go that high?
Science Babe is throwing the Giant Drilling Phallus into reverse and pulling out...
A-MON!! A-MON!!
Didn't Dances with Wolves beat out Goodfellas for Best Picture?
Ordinary People beating Raging Bullin 1980 is a bigger travesty, but that's still pretty bad.
Exotica has incredible monments but we cannot get past this desire to start kicking Atom Egoyan in the crotch and never stop.
(One of the pet shop owner's "accidental dates" is Billy Merasty, the indigeonous nineties CBC icon who was in a kind of "Different World" called "Liberty Street," and more importantly hosted this awesome early-morning bit on short films from around the world. Nice stuff. What the hell happened to him?)
i haven't read all the posts here so forgive me if i'm being redundant, but didn't the scene in question seem a laughably poor homage to frankenstein? btw, how does one do italics in haloscan?
Well, THAT was a Major no.
5000 degrees Celsius? Does it go that high?
There is no limit to the hotness!
Ooh, I think someone just fell into the abyss. Sweet!
Did they just lose contact with the Drildo?
Did Worf just say "Dr. Quest"?
Rod McKuen was on this trip?
Dances with Wolves also beat out The Grifters for every award.
Man, I hate it when they breach my coolant...
I was very underwhelmed by Trainspotting. I thought it was trying too hard.
Well, I'll stand up for the Boyle/Hodge team generally, and I think Trainspotting had great acting.
His current film Millions is again visually stunning, with a sweet story and a great child actor performance. Plus, cameos by lots of saints!
Dances with Wolves also beat out The Grifters for every award.
And then there's 1988, when Eight Men Out wasn't even *nominated*, and Working Girl *was*. That's when the Oscars officially jumped the shark for me.
I once recommended Bukowski's Post Office to a postal worker friend. It became the must read among the city's post office staff. The city library had some kind of rare edition, which one of these postals ripped off.
When I worked in a bookstore we had to keep Bukowski's books behind the counter, because they got ripped off constantly. Eventually we just stopped carrying them and only ordered them per customer request.
"Wild At Heart is also way better than Trainspotting.
BlakNo1"
To each his own, BlakNo1, but I have to disagree with you here. "Trainspotting" was far better than "Wild at Heart."
I'll admit I'm not a big Lynch fan, but actually, his last movie was really good. What was that called, anyway? The one where the one brother goes off to find the other brother on a lawn mower? That was really good.
I was very underwhelmed by Trainspotting. I thought it was trying too hard.
The dead baby scene was pretty intense.
[i]italics[/i]
Substitute < > for [ ].
And then there's 1988, when Eight Men Out wasn't even *nominated*, and Working Girl *was*. That's when the Oscars officially jumped the shark for me.
Marisa Tomei instead of Judy Davis. Feh.
pa: WITHOUT THE NUMBER NINE
TO BE ITALICIZED
also bold, replacing "b" for "i," and link, replacing first item with and then .
He had kind of a different approach. More zen, less confrontational.
Eli
First there is a mountan, then there is no mountain, then there is?
Wait, that would be Donovan Banzai...
Wait, that was uncalled for. I sowwy.
Re "trainspotting"
From what I understand, there is a rabid group of hobbyists in the UK who "spot trains". That's it. They hang around stations or crossings and record when and where they see different engines and trains. I think its understood in the UK that this is perhaps the dullest and most futile of all "sports".
Seriously.
btw, how does one do italics in haloscan?
(i)wording(/i)
replace the parens with < and >
I'll admit I'm not a big Lynch fan, but actually, his last movie was really good. What was that called, anyway? The one where the one brother goes off to find the other brother on a lawn mower? That was really good.
The Straight Story. He's made one or two since then, actually.
I like him mostly, although I *hated* Wild At Heart. But their is something solipsistic and annoying about his imagery and stories that don't really mean anything or go anywhere. Yeah, it's creepy and cool, but it's all style & no substance.
Give me Wim Wenders any day - I think of him as Lynch's non-evil twin...
You should all take part in this little slop poll on Sen. Chambliss's website. Just to screw with him
It's on the right hand side of the page.
http://www.chambliss.senate.gov/
...FTOKEN=77599859
Julia Roberts winning over Ellen Burstyn made me want to hurl as well. I know Ellen already has an Oscar, but still.
gayle,
"The Straight Story"?
Marisa Tomei instead of Judy Davis. Feh.
Mira Sorvino doing a bad Marilyn Monroe impression.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
DAMN YOU NUMBER NINE
alright try this:
[shift,]i[shift.]TO BE ITALICIZED[shift,]/i[shift.]
i-italics
b-bold
breaktext-smaller broken-off thing
link: [shift,]a href="URL"[shift.] link itself [shift,]/a[shift.]
First there is a mountan, then there is no mountain, then there is?
Wait, that would be Donovan Banzai... Wait, that was uncalled for. I sowwy. Doozer
Wear your shame like heavy ions.
Did he just say "drop load #2"?
and not laugh hysterically?
Mr X--that does sound English.
If you can drive a tank, you can drive a Drilldo!
Did they just lose contact with the Drildo?
Ding, ding, ding!!!
We have a winnah!!!
Punstakes officialy closed for the day.
explain Donovan Banzai!
Doozer: Windows (AFAIK) CD's are based on the ISO 9660 standard. Unless you use Toast or MacImage or another program that incorporates 9660 data into the header track, a PC won't be able to read it.
And of course causing Windows to crash is about as difficult as getting flashpaper to burn.
And yes, I'm a Mac bigot.
SWR -
Damn. Exotica. Atom Egoyan is on my top ten best list for that film alone.
all style & no substance.
A perfect description of Trainspotting, thanks!
If you can drive a tank, you can drive a Drilldo!
Drilldo Diggins.
I love Tolkein...
"The Straight Story. He's made one or two since then, actually. . .Give me Wim Wenders any day - I think of him as Lynch's non-evil twin..."
Eli
Thanks, Eli. "The Straight Story," that's it! Had no idea he made anything after that.
And Wim Wender's is a master!
When next you pee, pee because of this.
I'm prepared to be flamed now, but my pick for worst film of the century is ...
Requiem for a Dream.
Total crapfest.
*
Ohhh boy.
http://www.scifi.com/onair/scifi.../scifipictures/
Check out the pic for "Hammerhead: Shark Frenzy".
Nah, BlakNo1, read the book of Trainspotting. There's quite a lot to it, actually. And you'll see the movie differently.
Give me Wim Wenders any day - I think of him as Lynch's non-evil twin... -Eli
I am a big Lynch fan, but ahh, Wings of Desire, one of my alltime favorites. How can Peter Falk not be an angel? Paris Texas, The End of Violence, Faraway so Close...
Still waiting for Until the End of the World on DVD, the perfect format for the ten hour director's cut.
Jenny, I couldn't possibly disagree with you more. Ellen Burstyn was amazing in that movie. Jennifer Connelly should get some kind of award for being brave enough to take that role. I would show that movie to anyone regardless of age who thinks cocaine is cool or fun.
I am . . . bored . . . by The Descent, so instead, I give you Peter Cushing...
Still waiting for Until the End of the World on DVD, the perfect format for the ten hour director's cut.
My girlfriend's all-time favorite movie until Amelie came along. I really dig it as well, but she doesn't seem to believe me, because she doesn't know anyone else who likes it...
"I'm searching... I'm searching..."
Faraway So Close is a great flick. One of the best images of the crucifiction ever done (and with bungees!), certainly better than Mel's mindless whitewashed "hisstory".
...the skating movie? Are you mad?
Are you calling me... A FIGGA SKATA?
I am . . . bored . . . by The Descent, so instead, I give you Peter Cushing...
Or maybe Max Shreck...
My girlfriend's all-time favorite movie until Amelie came along
I knew I liked Codename V.
holy shit, everyone needs to pee because of this. After all, we are all brack people. Keep it strong.
City Of Lost Children is another 90s movie that shits all over Trainspotting.
holy shit, everyone needs to pee because of this. After all, we are all brack people. Keep it strong.
Respect!
Best movie of the '90s?
That would be Miller' Crossing of course.
I knew I liked Codename V.
Me too! Good thing, that.
That would be Miller' Crossing of course.
Ooo, that's a good call - I was thinking maybe Big Lebowski, but Miller's Crossing rates for the Albert Finney scene alone. You know the one.
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City of Lost Children is incredibly awesome. Darius Khondji (?, cinematographer) actually like had everyone in it heavily made up with white powdery stuff and then shot them with terrible light to create the golden old-photo effect.
Okay, so this movie also rips off The Abyss, which makes it even more pathetic.
City of Lost Children is incredibly awesome. Darius Khondji (?, cinematographer) actually like had everyone in it heavily made up with white powdery stuff and then shot them with terrible light to create the golden old-photo effect.
The lesser-known Delicatessen is quite brilliant as well.
KEEP ON FAITH!
ALWAYS MASTURBATE NEAR YOUR STRONG BLACK...IS IT A PANTHER? IT LOOKS AWFULLY TIGRISH, EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR...
RESPECT!
The lesser-known Delicatessen is quite brilliant as well.
Absolutely, great stuff!!
WT - unfair!!
Give your friends some warning - please...
Ooo, that's a good call - I was thinking maybe Big Lebowski, but Miller's Crossing rates for the Albert Finney scene alone. You know the one.
Eli
I think that movie is flawless... Albert Finney is magnificent (and I never use that word), Gabriel Byrne (sp?) is fantastic, as are all other actors, the dialogue makes me tear up just listening to it, the story is completely absorbing.
And, yes, "The Old Man's still an artist with the popgun." (or whatever the line is)
Anyone here seen that one about the cigars with all the talent in it?
Any Jarmusch fans in the house?
Anyone here seen that one about the cigars with all the talent in it?
Are you talking about Smoke with Harvey Keitel? If so, yes.
Anyone here seen that one about the cigars with all the talent in it?
Smoke? Yeah. Was kinda disappointed, really.
It was okay, nothing amazing.
Anyone here seen that one about the cigars with all the talent in it?
I think that was called "Smoke" with Harvey Keitel, William Hurt and others. But I didn't see it.
"Hot" is a metaphor, right?
Other great '90's films - Proof (with Hugo Weaving and a young Russell Crowe), Kieslowski's Blue, White, and red trilogy and The Double Life of Veronique, most of Almodovar's stuff, Das Boot, Run Lola Run, Breaking The Waves (what can I tell you, I like Dogme). And ditto on City of Lost Children and Delicatessen (still not on DVD).
One of the absolutely creepiest performances I've ever seen is Marina de Van in Ozon's Regarde La Mer (See the Sea). If you've got kids and want to be disturbed, rent it today! Actually, her In my Skin is also pretty damn creepy all around. She's like a French Juliette Lewis.
holy shit, everyone needs to pee because of this. After all, we are all brack people. Keep it strong.
Somehow I was expecting "Retain the religion" or something more...Engrish.
Yeah, but old Jarmusch. Night On Earth, not Dead Man.
Other great '90's films - Proof (with Hugo Weaving and a young Russell Crowe), Kieslowski's Blue, White, and red trilogy and The Double Life of Veronique, most of Almodovar's stuff, Das Boot, Run Lola Run, Breaking The Waves (what can I tell you, I like Dogme). And ditto on City of Lost Children and Delicatessen (still not on DVD).
Wow, I thought I was the only one who had seen Proof. Good stuff. Das Boot was awesome but, IIRC, 1983.
City of Lost Children and Delicatessen (still not on DVD).
That is a travesty.
(maybe even '81 or '82)
Night On Earth and Ghost Dog are his best. Down By Law is wonderful too.
Kieslowski's Blue, White, and red trilogy and The Double Life of Veronique
JeffCo, Kieslowski was great and of the trilogy, Red was my favorite. I also agree with your comment upthread about Wenders. Paris, Texas, Wings of Desire, all of them.
I'll put Cassavetes "Husbands" in that category too. Lightweight compared to Red and Wings of Desire, but Cassavetes fits in that same category of genius filmmakers. Loved nearly all of his films.
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You want it in Engrish?
Any Jarmusch fans in the house? -BlakNo1
Oh yeah- love most of his stuff: Stranger Than Paradise, Down By Law, Dead Man, and Ghost Dog especially. Mystery Train and Night on Earth were okay. Missed Year of the Horse. Coffee and Cigarettes (the new one) didn't do much for me- some of the pieces were excellent (Cate Blanchett's in particular), but overall I was a bit bored.
Actually, I'll retract my comment about "Husbands" being lightweight. It was groundbreaking, renegade American filmmaking. I don't think there's a Casssavetes film I didn't like, and I've seen all of them.
Eli - you are correct sir! Maybe I was thinking of a re-release or something. Or simply had a temporary anal-cranial inversion.
Yeah, I like Down By Law, too. I just thought the whole William Blake thing in Dead Man was too cute by half.
I've only seen the bits of Coffee that had been made a while back. The Tom Waits/Iggy Pop sequence is great.
If Aussie camp counts, then I'll throw down for Priscilla Queen of the Desert and Muriel's Wedding!
pbg; I wasn't expecting XP to read the CDs, but to just crash immediately seems a bit odd. I have the Jaguar CD set also, and they don't do it. All are burnt on the same machine, too. Strange.
I always wanted to like Jarmusch, truly, but his films were a bit off. I couldn't help thinking of him as a poseur. But what do I know?
Priscilla is hilarious.
NO MORE FUCKING ABBA!!!
JftB,
He's an acquired taste, no doubt. Think character, not plot.
Weird... all the trolls must have masturbated themselves to sleep.
Could it be... Star Wars?
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The Fugazi song "Cassavetes" is too awesome, though.
Oh, I like Muriel's Wedding. So few films really deal with women's friendships with each other. That's why, despite everything, I'd go to the mat for TheTruth About Cats and Dogs.
Re: Jarmusch, actually i think it's the hair. Cassavetes reminded me of Altman- Short Cuts is a great 90's film.
I quite love Night on Earth & Mystery Train. Mystery Train was the first movie I ever "bought" as a tape.
NYMary -
Believe me, I'm big on character! Saw Dinner with Andre about 12 times, for example. Maybe it's my age, and Jarmusch was for a slightly younger set. I just felt he was repeating something that had already been done before, and better. To me, he had nothing to add.
I have crazy taste in films, as Eli can tell you. I scared him with my love of the final scene in The Night Porter. And hey, I thought Exotica was incredible. I'm highly twisted in my likes and dislikes!
Cassavetes reminded me of Altman- Short Cuts is a great 90's film.
Bleagh. Hated Short Cuts. Altman's too cutesy to direct Carver.
Altman is excellent, loved Short Cuts.
Jenny - but do you have the My Dinner With Andre action figures? And I'll not diss anything with Uma or Janeane, let alone both!
Speaking of twisted feminism, how about Catherine Breillat's Romance or the necrophilia classic Kissed?
Yea! BlakNo1 and I agree.
Loved Short Cuts too.
Eli- you didn't even like Julianne Moore's 'short cut' for that film?
Ha ha. My Dinner with Andre action figures? What do they do, fold their napkins?
Hey, JeffCO, you probably saw that little talky film called Mindwalk, with Liv Ullman as I recall. I think the characters were walking around discussing "The Tao of Physics". I was pretty blank on it when I saw it in the theater, but I'm wondering if I should rent it to see what I missed... any recommendations?
Eli- you didn't even like Julianne Moore's 'short cut' for that film?
Well, that was something, anyway. But I have a pretty short fuse when it comes to Altman. It's like he's right next to me, elbowing me in the ribs and saying, "Aren't I clever?"
My Dinner with Andre action figures were an MST3K joke, as I recall.
I really liked My Dinner With Andre, and my mother *raved* about Mindwalk. She has kind of a thing about Liv Ullman.
I saw Mindwalk on video, a bunch of pretentious yuppies having a forced conversation.
My Dinner with Andre action figures were an MST3K joke, as I recall.
And I believe there was a My Dinner With Andre arcade game in a Simpsons episode...
My Dinner With Andre arcade game
"Tell me more, tell me more!!"
I really liked My Dinner With Andre
Eh.
I liked mine better.
The action figures were a joke on Letterman a long time ago IIRC. Yes, I actually like talky little films like Mindwalk- it's based on Fritjof Capra's The Turning Point BTW - but I'm not sure how good a film it is. Along those lines, Waking Life is an interesting animated take on lucid dreaming, and of course What the Bleep... would be the current Mindwalk. I'll try to think of some others.
Waking Life was pretty good, Slacker was better. I'm looking forward to seeing what Linklater does with A Scanner Darkly.
My Dinner with Andre action figures were an MST3K joke, as I recall.
That is pretty funny. I saw a lot of MST3K but don't recall that one!
I must've been in high school when I saw Liv Ullman in Bergman's "Scenes from a Marriage". The film was magnificent, but the thing that really struck me was how beautiful Ullman became as the film progressed. As an actress she had the ability to become entrancing right before your eyes. She started out as a very *plain Jane* and then blossomed and became ravishing.
That was the first time I was aware of such a transformation. So many foreign actresses have that capacity. You notice it with the Brits, too. Not our usual American kind of beauty, something deeper that comes out with the unfolding of the character.
Anyway, it was the first time, in my callow youth, that I noticed it. With Liv.
It would seem that discussing film keeps "them" away.
You might be interested in this website for "spiritual cinema."
Dang - I got the MST3K ref wrong? Guess I'm eating crow. Things like that drive me out of my mind (I better footnote that as a line from Lou Reed's Satellite of Love, which I was just listening to last night).
Also, completely off the film topic, but with several MST3K neuronal crossings, if you haven't seen the series Freaks and Geeks and you're a person of a certain age (as are many around here), by all means hie thee on out to the rental store. That's some high quality entertainment that is. The audio commentaries are hilarious- some are done by the actors in character, others by fans.
JeffCO -
Thanks for the link. I'm in a mood for *spiritual cinema* these days. Hmm. And I know why...
Night all!
It would seem that discussing film keeps "them" away.
BlakNo1
Discussing anything but them keeps them away...
Ullman is magnificent. And if you haven't seen the Bergman trilogy (before her time) Through a Glass Darkly, Winter Light, and The Silence, they have a lot to say about God and religion, though in a distant, Nordic fashion. I got to see them as part of a film series a year or so ago, but there is a DVD set out there.
Yeah, I guess that's enough Farm Film Report for me too. This is Big Jim McBob signing off.
Ah, the NOOOOOO moment... Saw it today. My 12 year old son leaned over to me and said "cliché moment".
The Padmé scenes suck. Less kissing and more killing!
A.
people locked into star wars are living in the past, kinda like america. it used to be really great but now it's just coasting on it's reputation.
those last two sucked and this one wouldn't have to be very good to be hailed as magnificent. the bar's been lowered as it were, kinda like expectations from bush.
use the force luke, before the force gets used on you.
haha, that scene/line had to be parody... wasnt it?
god i hope so. it was so bad it's hard to imagine even that actor performing that badly...
Worst. Line reading. Ever.
just saw it! loved the movie! didn't see the last 2 though. i am no star wars fan.
"so this is how democracy ends! with thunderous applause." fucking a right!
i thought that lucas nailed it there.
that scenario is just a few years in our future.
Yeah, people in our theatre laughed, too. It really is cliche. Detracted from a decent movie - though I think the critics who say it is better than the first two are suffering from seriously lowered expectations.
The Vader voice was provided by JEJ, true to the original. However, two decades of Bell/Verizon work have changed the man, and he's no longer up to par. Nooooooooo!!!!! indeed.
You guys give a cue to "eye candy" (LIGHTSABER BATTLES!) while acknowledging the terrible dialogue and acting on the part of Natalie Portman and Hayden Christiansen (WHY THE FUCK was he cast in the first place? Lucas originally casted Leo DiCaprio to be the Teenybopper Padawan, and DAMN could that boy act.)...
But I never saw a single mention of how John Williams does it again with his spectacular score. Recycled themes abound, but they are arranged in such a smooth and beautiful fashion, moving me to tears. Yes, right there in the theatre. And extra kudos to the horn player and the rest of the brass section!
I had been waiting almost 19 years of my life for this. And this isn't fanwanking either.
Ditto everyone on the "thunderous applause". When I was watching, I couldn't help but wonder if the Bush Crime Family is actually going to pull an Order 66 on the Democrats.
I was reminded of this scene from Monty Python And The Holy Grail.
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT: Right, I'll do you for that!
ARTHUR: You'll what?
BLACK KNIGHT: Come 'ere!
ARTHUR: You'll what?
BLACK KNIGHT: Come 'ere!
ARTHUR: What are you going to do, bleed on me?
BLACK KNIGHT: I'm invincible!
ARTHUR: You're a loony.
BLACK KNIGHT: The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you!
Come on then.
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's other leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT: All right; we'll call it a draw.
That "nooo... etc." was the nail in that movie's coffin.
That whole scene was rushed, among other things... many other things.
Id like to give George Lucas a little tip:
TAKE YOUR MILLIONS AND HIRE A FUCKING WRITER FOR YOUR MOVIE, YOU CRETAN.
Thank you.
That will be all.
George Lucas must be surrounded by Yes Men who tell him that his script is awesome. (younglings?)
I'm afraid that for a couple of minutes there, even the gorgeous Natalie Portman looked bad.
Damn you George for making her say "I'll go ahead and fix up the baby's room". Damn you.
So true, Lucas is a poor writer. Take a look at The Empire Strikes Back. One of the reasons that worked so well is that the script was mostly written by Leigh Brackett, a veteran who also wrote the script for the Bogey classic, The Big Sleep.
All Lucas needed to do was to hand a loose synopsis over to a great writer. It's such a shame that despite his millions his ego he still can't accept that he's not a good writer.
What I also can't understand is how his direction became so stilted? American Graffiti is a film filled with soul and humour, although rumours abound that Coppola (who produced) took over the direction of the actors..
In the battle between Obi-Wan and Anniken, I was reminded of the battle between Arthur and the Black Night. Hilarious.
I saw it but still have no idea what you are talking about.
Ok, I just watched the end again, and think that the reference is to Vader. What the hell is wrong with that?
Seriously, you Star Wars nerds and your damn film critiques. It is fucking Star Wars! Give it a rest. It's a good movie despite what you think about what you may have done differently in your dreams of writing the "best star wars movie ever".
I think Quint on Aint it Cool called that moment 'Simpson-esque' in its parody level.
I think we could have done without the 'mammy' reach for the heavens. Hopefully this will be changed for the dvd.
Re "trainspotting"
From what I understand, there is a rabid group of hobbyists in the UK who "spot trains". That's it. They hang around stations or crossings and record when and where they see different engines and trains. I think its understood in the UK that this is perhaps the dullest and most futile of all "sports".
Seriously.
MisterX |
I can one-up it. Someone here has train caboose collection in their yard.
Also a train that likely inspired Johnny Cash to sing is in another local ginner's town. His uncle was the engineer for the line, my great greandfather was a conductor for it.
As for trainspotting, how about years of Model Railroader issues to pore over as kid?
An in-law also does hiring for a railroad company- he left one as they started a downsizing campaign on people he employed.
Until they sped trains up people used to hop the route here to get back and forth to mainstreet.
They go 45 mph nowadays... kind of hard to catch on like so.
I once recommended Bukowski's Post Office to a postal worker friend. It became the must read among the city's post office staff. The city library had some kind of rare edition, which one of these postals ripped off.
When I worked in a bookstore we had to keep Bukowski's books behind the counter, because they got ripped off constantly. Eventually we just stopped carrying them and only ordered them per customer request.
His words are manna from the gods, friend... he should become patron Saint of slackers.
I have paid my George Lucas tax, went to see the movie with low expectations but hopping for a little entertainment.
My main criticism of this movie is not how boring and numbing the action and acting sequences are, I don't think the Simpsons could do a better parody of it. But the lack of sense of humor, it could have used some Harrison Ford type character to light things up.
So I think master Yoda should get the oscar for best actor in this one.
I did appreciate Lucas inclusion of the "you are either with us o against us", "only the dark force talks in absolute terms".
Wild at Heart was good, it was ambitious.
It can't hold a candle to True Romance.
As for the Cage efforts of the time- Raising Arizona did more for for emotion.
you Star Wars nerds and your damn film critiques
???
Seriously? Because I read through this thread and there were some pretty snooty, mean-spirited posts about "Star Wars nerds". Also, a lot of mention of arthouse stuff with people feeling greatly relieved about how superior their taste in feeelms is to those oh so amusingly bashable, Star Wars nerds (as so many seem so eager to have a titter over).
Has it occurred to anyone that many of the stories about fans appearing in the press have more than a whiff of "Hey, look! Over there! Scott Peterson! Michael Jackson! CHILI FINGER(OMG)!!!" I'm sure all the rarified-air-breathing, we're-not-elitist-at-all kool kids here could never be snookered into participating in a media-manufactured distraction, though. Nuh-uh, no way, that stuff's only for the rednecks...
I'm not saying over the top obsessiveness isn't worthy of a joke or two, but c'mon! How is the Star Wars fanbase any different from sports fans? There are plenty of face-painting, dress-up types in that sub-culture. Christ, those people have television channels, magazines, movies, collectibles; they even have bars dedicated to and celebrating their obsessive interest. Somehow, though -- with their collectibles, player-name let's pretend jerseys, stat-memorizing, tailgate parties, and logo-emblazoned beer bongs -- they're lovable eccentrics, while us Star Wars dorks are subhuman trogs for doing exactly the same things.
I like all kinds of movies, for all kinds of reasons, but I don't bring my love of Brunuel movies into Roger Corman discussions, or seriously attempt to compare out-there weirdness like the Cremaster Cycle to conventional series' like the Godfather movies. That's just so laughably pretentious! I really just do not understand the motivation in the way some people go out of their way to be mean to people just out to have a good time.
That's just so laughably pretentious! I really just do not understand the motivation in the way some people go out of their way to be mean to people just out to have a good time.
Star Wars Dork
Hey, I'm a Star Wars nerd myself. I was just commenting, rather inartfully I guess, about Star Wars nerds and their film critiques. Seems like their are an entire cadre of people who think that they know more than Lucas and could have done a much better job making his film.
"Oh, the writing is terrible, oh, the bad acting, oh, the cliches, etc." Its a damn sci-fi movie, and a good one. Critiques of the acting and direction just strike me as silly considering what the film is and from whom the critiques are coming.
Oh yeah, evvverybody does it better in their own minds. It's a curious thing that so many fans feel that somehow, they "own" Star Wars, and so many detractors feel the need to compare it with hyperserious filmaking. It seems to strike a nerve in everyone.
Well, sorry you were the launching pad for my tirade. I stand by my frustrations, though.
Smithers, for trying to kill me, I'm giving you a five percent pay cut!"
"Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Ha ha ha ha! The...part...of....Darth Vader...has been...played...by...William...Shatner.
Overall, I loved this movie and just had a lot of fun. It seems to have that Flash Gordon, Kurosawa feel of Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. It's essentially a retelling of Faust and Macbeth.
The dialog, of course, is stiff and wooden, but Star Wars was the same way. Poor Lucas can't write romantic dialog to save his life; but by now, you have to make your peace with that fact. Given his limitations as a filmmaker, he does have a vision, and he has crafted an excellent picture.
Oh, and just so everyone doesn't forget, Dick Cheney is really the man in charge, 9/11 was an inside job, and Bin Laden works for the Bush family. And there's probably something nasty buried deep in Patriot Act 2. You know American democracy is FUBAR when George Lucas starts making political statements.
Mansquito rules!
All others must bow before the
"squito."
Remenber they were able to make a piece of crap for far less money.
How about Obi-Wan's line -- "Only a Sith speaks in absolutes."
Uh, help me Obi-Wan, but isn't that an absolute?
My Dinner With Andre Action Figures were a joke from the end of Waiting for Guffman, the Christopher Guest classic.
I was checking my watch. Boring, cluttered, overflowing with distracting and soulless CGI cartoons. Terrible, laughable dialogue. Bad acting. Bad directing. Seeming ignorance of the most basic requirements of genre filmmaking (why should we care about the secondary and tertiary characters when the director can't be bothered giving them personalities, or even letting us tell them apart?). The first prequel was shit, the second was shit with sprinkles, this was shit with sprinkles and whipped cream. What a waste of time.
Chalk most of this up to the summer i spend working in a video store when i found out Samuel L. Jackson was going to be cast as a Jedi Master
MACE WINDU-FIELD: I'm here on behalf of your friend and business partner, Master Yoda... You do remember Master Yoda, don't you?
JJ BINKS: Me-sa remember...p-p-p-please, yousa gots to be understandin' - wesa be enterin' into this with-a the bestest of intentions
MW: Best intentions? Please, allow me to retort [Draws LIGHTSABER and Impales EWOK sleeping on couch]...Oh, I'm sorry, Did i break your concentration? Now, Let me ask you a few questions...you cool with that?
JJB: y-y-yes...
MW: What does Yoda look like?
JJB: what?
MW: I said 'What does Yoda look like?'
JJB: What?
MW: What system are you from?
JJB: What?
MW: 'What' ain't no system i ever heard of, do they speak Basic in What?
JJB: What?
MW: BASIC, MOTHERF**KER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
JJB: Wh-wh-What?
MW: [pointing LIGHTSABER at BINKS] say 'What' one more time, one more goddamned time, i dare ya, I DOUBLE DARE YA...NOW THINK!...What does Yoda Look like?
JJB: He... he-sa small
MW: And?
JJB: He-sa green...
MW: Does he look like a bantha?
JJB: Wh-Wh-what?
MW: [Swings LIGHTSABER, slices off BINKS' right arm] I said, DOES HE LOOK LIKE A BANTHA???!!!'
JJB: [gasping in pain] n-n-no!
MW: Then why did you try to ride him like one?
JJB: No, No! We-sa never..
MW: Oh, yes you did...OH YES YOU DID!!!
And it's funny, for all the cracks people made about the allegedly non-existent sex lives of Star Wars fans, it's the people who go to such elaborate lengths to crap on the movies who sound like they need to get laid.
It's a movie and a summer movie at that - just like the other five in the series...it's meant to be big and bombastic and no one ever really intended any of it to be haute-fucking-cinema... so do try to have a little perspective and allow those of us who might enjoy a few hours of juvenile escapism to have our fun while it lasts, mmm-kay?
jedi's make mistakes too:
1-going to arrest chancellor with not much help
2-telling anikin you dont trust him to help in arrest and then leaving him alone
and the biggest
3-obi-wan neither kills nor saves the dismembered anikin/darth. had he saved him and escaped there would have been no more darth, they could have cleansed him of the dark side influences, and the princess may not have died of of childbirth/broken heart.
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