I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
sweet
Conyes. I really know next to nothing about him. Anyone?
go forth?
ConYers.
dammit.
"We're late again, Bullwinkle!"
Conyers has been around for decades, Sarah. I like him a lot.
Okay so I was third - how about getting this up the amazon list?
May 27, 2005.
This could be tastier than pork loin.
There isn't another planet to move to, is there?
God, this is fucking heartbreaking. Just to contemplate what we lost in 2000, what we failed to regain in 2004. Shit.
Are we too little, too late? Will the neocons, having planned all this for decades, and, being the Undead, able to go completely without sleep so they may plot, plan, and execute 24/7, will they be able to completely destroy this country?
That is, certainly, One of the Questions.
Calls for a drink.
heh.
ConYers = Patriot
What a clusterf***. Do you think this book really captures what happened in Ohio? I'm not generally a conspiracy theorist, but that was the fishiest state election I've ever seen (and yes, I include FLA in that assessment).
http://asilentcacophony.blogspot.com
...mother of Jesus can this be true and known but just ignored?
"...the abuse and manipulation of electronic voting machines and the arbitrary and illegal behavior of a number of elected and election officials which effectively disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters in order to change the outcome of an election."
Hear, hear, Sarah Deere.
They fucking stole it, I don't need to read this to confirm it.
And Conyers district covers Detroit, where there's a big AfroAmerican and ArabAmerican population. So Conyers can afford to be very outspoken, and he is.
Central--we've known this for a while. And it can be substantiated mathematically.
Incrediburgerable.
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did they really have to get Gore Vidal to write the intro? What, was Michael Moore not available?
And it can be substantiated mathematically.
And it was, I just can't remember which pocket I put the link in.
Wow, click on the book and read some of the reviews so far. This needs to be made into a bestseller. People on the right and LEFT cannot keep ignoring these stolen elections.
Jeffraham--I've learned to love pig. I've learned late in life that it comes in forms other than a boiled roast. Now I love how versatile it is and how well it lends itself to good eating.
And how could anyone close a shop that features barbecue and pies?
avedon proves that guestblogging is a Good Thing. Sarah D: buy or rent this book now. everyone who doesn't fully understand what's really going on with the machines.
OH. NM. MD. GA. FL. TX. CA. NH.
i have read more than five reports that i trust on the problems in each of the states listed. i've been following this issue online since 2000, with the fervor of a slightly unbalanced person. it's true: a lot of accusations are hard to prove by the Old American legal standard. and yet: the patter, if you care to look for it, isn't so hard to perceive.
we don't have fair, honest, or properly tallied elections anymore. the extent of the problem is national. it's NOTHING like the stories you've heard about WA or old Chicago. it's everything like you've heard about on a sci-fi show.
there are some names to dogpile/google. i won't list them now as i'm not at home and don't have access to my files. but believe it, as dozens of election workers do: american voting is as Stalinist as it could possibly be.
SAIC is a good start. find out who there are, where they come from, and what they do.
What's most frightening is that 59 million Bush voters will have an chilling effect over the lives of six billion. That's .0098% of the population or just under 1% telling the rest of the world what they can do with their lives.
Imagine just what they'll do to us.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shit.
I don't even want to hear about Ohio unless they're going to rescind the fucking inauguration, damnit!
I always thought the Ohio numbers dubious.
Ohio (a rust belt state to be sure) only increased her population numbers by 70,000between 2000 and 2004 according to US census - There were a million more votes cast in Ohio in 2004 than in 2000 - these new votes cast split down the middle according to the Ohio totals leaving the repubs on top.
500,000 new republican voters in 2004 than in 2000? This amounts to a small army of people - who saw them? where is the evidence of long lines in republican counties that voted at rates of over 70% of registered voters?
Please comment.
P+T--the statistical community is pretty well convinced that many of those 59K votes were not given by voters.
will they be able to completely destroy this country?
More Mai Tai's, Sarah.
P&T - and the majority of that measly 1% have no fucking clue what's going on.
OK, they are stealing elections. What do we do? What CAN we do? If, as I suspect, the Dems have been suborned in sufficient numbers to render the party insignificant, what do we do except pull the blankets over our heads and dream of waking up from this dystopian nightmare?
Power, alas, we ain't got.
Jeffraham--as for the boiled pig, my mother grew up in Belfast.
new thread, more music
http://mp3.spb.su/cgi-bin/mp3sen...t_be.mp3?
id=288
Sorry, make that 59M.
The time to care about Ohio was when we had candidates who would "fight until the last vote is counted!"
They didn't.
On to 2008. Choose more wisely next time.
No more Diebold mandates for me, thanks. I've already had more than enough.
OK, they are stealing elections. What do we do? What CAN we do? If, as I suspect, the Dems have been suborned in sufficient numbers to render the party insignificant, what do we do except pull the blankets over our heads and dream of waking up from this dystopian nightmare?
Go here and read
before she went nuts/deliberately imploded to make the issue look without merit: bev harris. i'm spelling it wrong (help me out here people) the abrahamson clan. Dominionists and RMScaife. the NH democratic primaries: hand counted vs machine (dean/kerry: hc=21/22 m=12/~30); the GA 02 roster from Clealand to various other races; TX "1818" and three judicial races; CA during ahnold's run and some outlyer counties; FL (jeebus do i have to even say it); dm counties in OH in 04; the list goes on.
chicago dyke,
On election night, I was following a site (Cspan?) that was adding up the tally as it came in. It was neck and neck for the first hour or so, then the votes for Kerry stagnated while those for w continued to accumulate. This was in Kansas. I suppose it could have been the rural vote coming in after the urban vote had been tallied, but it still seems suspicious to me.
Who's tending bar? Can I have one of them purty umbrellas in my glass, please?
Sallyh: And how could anyone close a shop that features barbecue and pies?
Especially one that had a papier-mβchι pig's head mounted on the wall, with a brass nameplate, proclaiming him to be "Nostrildamus."
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Go Avedon! Sign the petition, moonbats, if you haven't already. The more signatures the more we get to mock and embarrass Boosh.
des--here you go! It's pink, can you deal with that?
loggin off, beloved moonbats. my girls are here and it's time to go 420.
love to you all, and fuck boosh. see you in hart plaza tomorrow. i'll be in orange and blue.
What went wrong with Ohio were all the divorces that women caused there.
See, there were so many women-caused divorces there that the male victims became obsessed dysfunctionals and basement-ridden deadbeats. Thus they were not able to get out and vote last year for George Bush and make that enormous, gigantamongo margin of victory even larger. They were too busy trolling gay teen chat forums.
I know this from personal experience.
Racist fake liberals!™
Have a nice day.™
Smokie dokie, Chicago. Try not to have too much fun. 
1 a.m. for the East Coasters: on SciFi, Webs!!!
Giant purple spider people take over Chicago! It's a don't miss!
Sallyh: Jeffraham--as for the boiled pig, my mother grew up in Belfast.
I guessed the right Isles, but wrong island. 
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des--here you go! It's pink, can you deal with that?
Aww, I love you Sallyh! Yeah, that's about all I can deal with tonight.
Oh, look who's back, the official venereal disease sent by our new country, the United Syncophants of Amnesia.
"My name is Ted, and one day, I'll be dead, yo-yo. Teeeeeeeeeeeeed, oh Teeeeeeeeeeed, fighting off danger!!!!"
Jeffraham--as a hillbilly, are you a Scots-Irish boy?
And Conyers district covers Detroit, where there's a big AfroAmerican and ArabAmerican population. So Conyers can afford to be very outspoken, and he is.
Hell, he's a red blooded American, period. I get your point, but ALL Americans should be appalled.
Sallyh: Jeffraham--as a hillbilly, are you a Scots-Irish boy?
On Dad's side, English, back to 1521. Mom's side was too hard, so I gave up.
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Hoyt,
You misread the nature of my despair. We KNOW the election system is jiggered. But no one will listen. Our voices are drowned out, shouted down, marginalized or otherwise silenced.
My fear is that as a democracy we are already dead, and i don't believe in reanimation.
i guess my question was sort of rhetorical, sort of a last gasp of fading hope. i need a straw to clutch but I don't see any.
Damn, i am so friggin' depressed.
We still have some Snickers cake from last night, and some cinnamon raisin bread (homemade).
cd, hart plaza?!? Get out! Orange and blue, I'll be looking for you, so if some strange brunette woman walks up to ya and calls you cd you know who it is! lol
Must be time to remind folks that Sen. Clinton has introduced S450, the "Count Every Vote Act of 2005."
The trick will be to get it out of committee, but if you want to read the PDF version of the text, go here.
(Or just go to Thomas and look it up.)
I'm not sure I have the stomach to actually read this book.
We know they stole the fucking election.
I fucking hate these people. Hate them.
but ALL Americans should be appalled.
*Appalled*?
I'm amazed I'm still fairly sane.
Oh, look who's back, the official venereal disease sent by our new country, the United Syncophants of Amnesia.
I never leave. I have to wait by the computer in case anyone orders a copy of my book, The 91% Factor: How My Ex-wife Caused My Divorce By Withholding Sex, so I can print out a copy on my inkjet to ship.
Ballots or...
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We still have some Snickers cake from last night, and some cinnamon raisin bread (homemade).
Is the peach cobbler gone already?
Must be time to remind folks that Sen. Clinton has introduced S450, the "Count Every Vote Act of 2005."
Yes, our future POTUS! WOO-HOO!!!
When the real Ted comes back, hit him in the face with a Bible for me.
I'm beyond appalled. I'm not even depressed. i'm just pissed, and happy as hell that LA uses optical scan (we wouldn't certify voting machines).
I think I would like an umbrella too.
It might make me feel a little better about the death of my tv.
We won't get local peaches here for several more weeks. When we do, I'll make fresh peach shortcake for everyone. With real whipped cream.
Peach cobbler?!?!? Oooh!
Four Leggers--two umbrellas for your drink, a big slice of cake, and part of a cinnamon loaf for tomorrow.
Hell. I'm goin to Chicago....Hey that could...naa
four legs good,
Your TV died?
Damn, I was gonna eat that.
Late Friday FVC™, including the earlier clip, Curly's Girlfriend + RiverBlog and Aggressive Birdwatching, for those who missed it earlier.
Yeah, but it's rerun season! Duck season! Rerun season! *BLAM!*
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Central,
Word! I cannot believe there isn't farking rioting in the streets! There should be. A friend and I went to a hometown Hall Of Justice protest a while back to protest Frist on a cold Sunday afternoon. There were over 200 there to protest Rev. Frist. Folks are getting angry, I tell ya. I'm mad as hell!
Did I just read a giant purple spider takes over Chicago?
so, now what, dears?
All these things being true.
What's it gonna take?
I have women friends that I have known for 30+ yrs. Whever one of us made a Bad Choice of Men, and the woman in the throes of agony confessed All to Us, we would say, "How many boxes?"
That meant, how many boxes is it gonna take to get this asshole outta your space, outta your life.
So...how many boxes is it gonna take?
Too many?
SD
Jeffraham--like my Mikey, Curly is a Fantasy Birder
I trust that Harry and Nancy will take up Conyers' cause within the next 8 months. I don't think they will have much of a choice, if they want to keep their job. What we need to do is pressure them into doing so. Electronic voting needs to be verifiable. That's so difficult, it may easier to increasing the amount of election workers and processing votes via paper ballots.
Des--yes, in ~45 min!
Where are Eli and Mellish? They're supposed to liveblog this stuff!
When the real Ted comes back, hit him in the face with a Bible for me.
That would be assault by paper. I could sue.
Would anyone like to buy my book, The 91% Factor: How My Ex-Wife Turned Me Into A Gay 17-Year Old Brad Pitt Lookalike?
Racist fake liberals!™
Have a nice day.™
Sallyh: Jeffraham--like my Mikey, Curly is a Fantasy Birder
The more I learn about cats, the more I'm convinced that they're highly inbred, and that there are perhaps only seven of them, personality-wise -- the rest are virtual clones of those seven.
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Sarah D--maybe we need to buy out every Staples in every neighborhood?
I'm beyond appalled. I'm not even depressed. i'm just pissed, and happy as hell that LA uses optical scan (we wouldn't certify voting machines).
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
Sally, here in Hawaii, we use scanned paper ballots in 100% of precincts. We also have a solid Democratic majority, with two Democratic Senators and two Democratic reps. 100% representation.
Doesn't this speak volumes?
bigvic,
Recently, people have been listening to my rants instead of running away from me. An aquaintance that has been a bush supporter told me a few days ago that he wishes Kerry had won the election.
I told him that he did.
OK, they are stealing elections. What do we do?
We can DEMAND that all elections be verifiable. If they insist on using these stupid electronic machines there must be a paper print out of the vote that the voter can check and then deposit in a sealed ballot box, a random, statistically signifcant number of which are counted by hand to ensure the machines are accurate.
Without transparency and verification no election can be considered legitimate.
There should also be a constitutional amendment that says that ALL the votes should be counted and a "intent of the voter" standard should be applied wherever possible.
The problem with all this is that Right is no longer ashamed to admit that they don't believe in "counting all the votes" or having independently verifiable vote counts. The Dems (as usual) have been asleep at the switch for far too long on this issue.
John Conyers is the coolest politician in the world
Conyers. LOL!!! What a pathetic nutball. Having his name on a report is a surefire way to make sure it isn't taken seriously. I can't believe even losers like the Dems have any use for that clown. The man actually oozes anti-credibility. You would have to be in a psychotic level state of total denial to think that Conyers can help anybody's cause.
Can someone buy the troll a life, preferrably on another planet?
Where are Eli and Mellish? They're supposed to liveblog this stuff!
Ohjeez, that's a precedent I don't think I want to set on a FOUR-DAY SCI-FI MARATHON, ya know? Was tempted to comment on the end of Alien Lockdown & the beginning of Alien Fury, as they were both hilariously cheesy.
Currently fixing a *very* late dinner with Alien Fury on pause, so I might start the purple spider people movie a bit late.
though you may hate to hear it, there hasn't been a fair election in this country in your lifetimes. at any level.
don't you love the fact that the democraps as a party have refrained from yelling about the election scam, have refrained from trying to clean it up.
now, why might that be? because they all hope that someday soon they can pervert the ballot box to their advantage.
you want democraps? hmmm, seems to me that they are just another species of replithugs.
gangsters and thieves, all of them.
until a way is found to defenestrate the lot of them, we are just inmates in their gulag.
oh, better accommodations and food than gitmo, to be sure, but slaves to the pols and their puppeteers, we are, to be sure.
Thank you for ignoring Festus.
Jeffraham, got your cd but can't open. WAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Can you help a techno-aborigine?
SD
There isn't another planet to move to, is there?
Pitchforks and Torches
Now that Bu$hCo, fresh from their victory in Freedom on the march in Afghanistan and Iraq, want to weaponize "space", you are correct.
P+T--we have 2 Dem senators, more D than R reps, and a Dem dominated state legislature. It does indeed speak volumes.
John Conyers is the ranking member on the Judiciary Committee and knows about procedures involved in impeachment. He participated in the watergate investigation.
At Johnconyers.com you can sign a letter to launch an investigation for impeachment. All they want is 100,000 but it would look good if there were millions of letters.
Downing Street Memo won't go away. Conyers is on it.
I'll be back in a few. I'm going out for a smoke to enjoy a particularly lovely sunset.
Evening, Bats.
With two brazenly stolen Presidential elections and some stolen races in the 2002 elections, I'm not feeling a lot of confidence for 06 and 08. How do we squash these fucksquitos?
"Can someone buy the troll a life, preferrably on another planet?"
Mars, bitch!
Oh sure, Eli. I'm here in time for the purple spider and you're going to be a 'little late'. :p
I keed, I keed!
Des and Eli--we've still got ~40 min. till purple spiders.
Sarah Deere: Jeffraham, got your cd but can't open. WAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Can you help a techno-aborigine?
Maybe not, unfortunately. Did you mean DVD, or was it the CD that was corrupt?
If it's the DVD, it is likely your player. I've seen two DVD players that could not open DVDs I have burned, and they've both been older (one a Daewoo; the other, Panasonic); all the newer ones -- even the cheapies -- have had no problem with them.
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Toons--we keep talking. Support Conyers.
Getting Ahnuld out wouldn't be bad, either
How do we squash these fucksquitos?
2006 seems up in the air at this point, but by 2008 the economy (or lack thereof) will decide the outcome.
Yeah, yeah, that's if Diebold's not a factor by then.
Sarah Deere -- I will, of course, issue a full refund if your player can't play the DVD.
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I know most of you (prolly all of you) are not as big of a nerd as I, but if you go to Conyer's Blog and donate $50.00, he'll send you an autographed copy of the book. I'll be sitting by my mailbox, anxiously awaiting my copy. (I know I need to get a life)
Have you ever noticed that the right-wingers always claim black representatives lack credibility?
I fucking hate these people. Hate them.
four legs good
Me too. Like Central said, appalled is not a strong enough word. These rat bastards are tearing up the entire country. That doesn't sit well with me. Naturally that fact makes me anti-American. Hahahahaha.
Sallyh
Unless the state gets Diebolded, I think Ahnold has shot his manly wad. Not many people are buying into his schtick anymore. The man's a walking pile of corruption.
Have you ever noticed that the right-wingers always claim black representatives lack credibility?
I'm almost positive that pointing this out makes you a racist. Gimme a few minutes to call Unka Karl and get the details...
In honor of the Purple Spider that ate Chicago:
http://mp3.spb.su/cgi-bin/mp3sen...ater.mp3?
id=795
Have you ever noticed that the right-wingers always claim black representatives lack credibility?
One rare exception is their National Convention on a Presidential Election Year. Then they are like that old friend that comes over and walks in the kitchen door without knocking.
Looks like Conyers get trolls too...
Rep Conyers,
First you proposed a bill to study the reparations due blacks in America. Now, stunningly, you are going to propose a bill that will call for recognition of the Koran. We are expected to recognize as sacred a book that would actively seek to destroy America and that plainly spells out that Christian and Jew are to be killed in speading Islam. I have to wonder what part of patriotism and dedication to American values you were not taught.
But you have prompted me to act. I had a copy of the Koran. It met the end of a propane torch today. I would no longer have it in my home. I should have burnt it a long time ago along with my voter registration card as you people are so out of tocuh with what is needed to save our culture and our Nation that I have to think of alterior motives. Perhaps you have many muslims who vote for you. Have you the nerve to ask, in return for your bill, that they come to the State House and take a pledge to support America and the Holy Bible? I don't think you do.
Stephen Walsh,
NC
Can someone buy the troll a life, preferrably on another planet?
I don't understand why you all don't like me. After all, I only litter the threads with posts of cut&pasted segments of psychology journals, blast everyone here as being less liberal than moi, after having written a book from "A Republican Perspective" which I self-publish on my inkjet, and no one buys, probably because the evil women are plotting against me (and making me gay).
Anywho, remember when I started this whole racism schtick? It was when someone made a joke about Sun Myong Moon eating dog. Gawd, that was like four months ago. I have OCD.
Racist fake liberals!™
Have a nice day.™
Toons--over in your neighborhood, did you hear about the drama club having to change its posters because ONE STUDENT, a Bush supporter, objected to the caricaturization of him??? It's in the Daily News, if you're curious. I think it was at Taft.
Crazy is *on* the bus, Hoyt...
We are expected to recognize as sacred a book that would actively seek to destroy America...
Yeah, OK.
Many events in Ohio during the election were disturbing, and I don't doubt lots of fraud went on, but we don't know whether the election was stolen. The most recent analysis, esp. with the model Febble developed on dailyKos, suggests that the Edison/Mitofsky explanation for the discrepancies between the exit polls and the tallied vote was actually more on the mark than the US Count Votes people thought.
Sarah Deere -- Still not sure which you meant (DVD or CD), but again, IF the DVD won't play in your home player... do you have a PC with a DVD drive + player software?
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Crazy is *driving* the bus, Eli...
Magnolia,
Isn't it sad that Conyers is seen as "radical" for questioning the ethics of BushCo? My head hurts, again.
Crazy is *driving* the bus, Eli...
Too true, too true...
Purple spiders?
A-wha?
Hoyt C--who is this loser Walsh of whom you post?
2006 seems up in the air at this point, but by 2008 the economy (or lack thereof) will decide the outcome
Greenacres has been using low interest rates to pump up the real estate market and keep the economy rolling. Too bad rates of return on income properties have sunk to less than 9%, when five years ago many areas were 14% rates of return.
We are screwed. What the 9% means is that values are incredibly high, far too high for incomes to suppport
We're in for it maybe next year, maybe late this year, and none of us are ready. I was fooled, thought the correction would have happened last summer. Not.
Greenacres has been using low interest rates to pump up the real estate market and keep the economy rolling
Referring to Greenspan as "Greenacres" is racist. I don't know how yet, but when I do, I'll get back to you.
Racist fake liberals!™
Have a nice day.™
The hysterical fairy is killing my, my whatever I can't even think tonight beyond music and purple spiders!
Crazy is *driving* the bus, Eli...
Problem is that Crazy is blind, deaf & stupid as well as batshit crazy.
P+T--that 9 percent coincides very nicely with the real rate of unemployment.
Youn's is bummin me out, again. I may have to make gumbo!
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We are expected to recognize as sacred a book that would actively seek to destroy America...
It's already well on the way, and it's called the Bible.
I'm not so worried about the bubble in real estate. Unlike Tech stocks with runaway PE ratios, houses are real. People need homes. At worst it will be regional. The big hurt will come in the ripples through the other sectors. Once it begins it might be a good time to trade an lever up.
Rob, so your saying the only time exit polls are not accurate, IS WHEN G.W. BUSH WINS??? Stop trying to rationalize, do I need to list all the evidence. I read that crap on Kos, doesn't hold water, compared to the analysis at US Count Votes.
"Youn's is bummin me out, again. I may have to make gumbo!"
But will you share?
Damn des, now I'm having flashbacks of driving around in a '69 Camaro, smoking 10 bucks an ounce mexican weed.
Not that that's a bad thing....
Sallyh
I hadn't heard about the Taft drama club thing. I'll try to check it out. Fortunately, I'm closer to El Camino HS -- the one that's always winning the academic decathlons. Two more years and my son will be in high school. He's extremely smart, but prone to be lazy. He just started reading one day when he was 5 while playing a video game and by the time he was in the third grade, was reading at a high school graduate level according to the tests.
Sallyh: But will you share?
Absolutely! You have my address. I'll keep it in the 'fridge til you git here.
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Okay, here's a question:
At a certain point, the discrepancy between real votes and fraudulently tallied votes becomes unsustainable (unless Zogby et al. are co-opted as well). I think we were pretty close to the threshold in 2004 - what is the margin of real votes that we need to make an election truly unstealable?
Youn's is bummin me out, again. I may have to make gumbo!
That's anti-Creole racism!
Racist fak- aww fuck it. Impression trolling is tedious. No pun intended.
Maybe I could hook up the troll from my blog with the troll here, and they could like. . . dance away in the light of the full moon?
Sallyh I think I need another one of those drinks for my purty umbrella. lol
Jeffraham--does some nice whole wheat bread go well with it? Fresh berries? Chocolate cake with peanut butter cream icing?
Damn des, now I'm having flashbacks of driving around in a '69 Camaro, smoking 10 bucks an ounce mexican weed.
Not that that's a bad thing....
Question: What was your favorite deseeding album cover?
"what is needed to save our culture"
A work completed I presume. This sentiment is always one that keys in with me. Define the culture and I end up thinking that if it can be done succinctly, it is a dying or already dead culture. My culture, as insular as I can be, is the one that moves around me, grows and changes. Diversity is what keeps this culture, for lack of better definition, the American culture alive and dynamic. These people, whoever they may be, are defining themselves as something static and dead in my eyes. And the fact that American culture is transcending into a global one must gall these people to the point of distraction. May they be agitated to the day they take their last breath.
Even Arnold Ziffel is smarter than Greenspan, he should be exiled to Pixley.
Sallyh: Jeffraham--does some nice whole wheat bread go well with it? Fresh berries? Chocolate cake with peanut butter cream icing?
Damn, I feel like I just got a shot of Viagra!
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This thread is sounding alot like the inside of my head does, stuff the governor usually does not allow to pass to the keyboard in polite company.
At my place, being so, the governor was given the day off.
Yep, we was robbed, and for the third time.
This time around we pretty much capitulated because we are reasonable and intellegent folk who have difficulty in presenting supposition as fact.
Ow well, I had a brilliant and depressing post in mind along with some whoreing
more whoring
OK slipped into shameless maudlinese.
nighty night friends.
Many events in Ohio during the election were disturbing, and I don't doubt lots of fraud went on, but we don't know whether the election was stolen.
Oh, really? Hahahahaha. Fuck. The SOS set up a partisian basis for counting and recording votes, screwed voters in heavily Dem precincts and all is well? Right. OK. I'm going to bed. Too much madness does that to you.
..What was your favorite deseeding album cover?
The White one.
Question: What was your favorite deseeding album cover?
I use Live Dead
Eli, good question. The difference between the unmassaged exit polls and the "official" vote count was over 5%. Under normal circumstances 1% is considered extremely high. 2% is unheard of. 5% is virtually impossible.
I think we were pretty close to the threshold in 2004 - what is the margin of real votes that we need to make an election truly unstealable?
Eli | Email | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 12:47 am | #
I think you're right on that one. Remember the news stories about how rattled the Bushies were during the early part of the day on election day. I thought at the time it was because they had planned to steal a certain percentage of the vote in certain states and they were afraid it wouldn't be enough.
I am Ted Smith
Would please post a link to johnconyers.com as a big favor to me. I can't get my linker to work and I think it is rediculous to ignore the fact that Bush is blatantly in violation of his oath of office by ignoring his duty to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. And I know you love America.
Night kent. sweet dreams.
..What was your favorite deseeding album cover?
Pink Floyd's "A Nice Pair"
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Court of the Crimson King
You guys could afford album covers?
Hoyt and Eli--exit polling computational methods are actually pretty precise. We can get it within the tenth of a point range. In molecular genetics, it's a shitty measure, but in exit polling, it's damn decent.
Would please post a link to johnconyers.com as a big favor to me.
John Conyers.com
There, you racist fake liberals.
I'm getting a second wind.
Have a nice day.™
China's bird flu outbreak worse than thought
Hold onto yer ass peoples.
Many events in Ohio during the election were disturbing, and I don't doubt lots of fraud went on, but we don't know whether the election was stolen.
Maybe not. But it is amazing, and disgusting, that even the most obvious steps to make elections more trasparent and credible haven't been taken, much less seriously discussed:
Getting rid of obviously partisan election supervisors, like Blackwell and the loathesome Harris;
And
Making sure that all precincts have the same access to plentiful and working equipment.
IMHO these come even before paper ballots and so on. Until these reforms happen nobody has any right to complain about conspiracy theories, because nobody has done anything to give anyone any confidence that they're serious about totally fair elections.
Damn des, now I'm having flashbacks of driving around in a '69 Camaro, smoking 10 bucks an ounce mexican weed.
Not that that's a bad thing....
I was gonna say what's wrong with that.lol
hell, Jeffraham, I don';t know. Email me, maybe? When you have the chance. I don't want a refund, but I would like to see this thing. And I KNOW it's my ignorance that prevents it!!!
SD
I also used the fold out Firesign Theater one with the red car and the airstream. Wonder why I can't remember the name?
Hoyt and Eli--exit polling computational methods are actually pretty precise. We can get it within the tenth of a point range. In molecular genetics, it's a shitty measure, but in exit polling, it's damn decent.
So perhaps this is a cultural question rather than a stats question: At what point does the discrepancy become so great that a majority smells a rat, not just us paranoid libruls?
Or great enough to be deemed worthy of significant media reportage, ha ha ha...
Question: What was your favorite deseeding album cover?
bill | Email | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 12:49 am | #
Rush 2112
Sgt. Pepper. Duh.
Deep , beautiful twilight now.
Many events in Ohio during the election were disturbing, and I don't doubt lots of fraud went on, but we don't know whether the election was stolen.
Maybe not. But it is amazing, and disgusting, that even the most obvious steps to make elections more trasparent and credible haven't been taken, much less seriously discussed:
Getting rid of obviously partisan election supervisors, like Blackwell and the loathesome Harris;
And
.....hjard as it to imagine, we may well yet have something to thank GWB for. Peeling the films from our eyes.
At what point does the discrepancy become so great that a majority smells a rat, not just us paranoid libruls?
Saddam got 100% of the votes in his last election.
Oh wait - album cover - it was the ELO Discovery
.....hjard as it to imagine, we may well yet have something to thank GWB for. Peeling the films from our eyes.
I fear that massive backlash is our only hope.
Sarah Deere: hell, Jeffraham, I don';t know. Email me, maybe? When you have the chance. I don't want a refund, but I would like to see this thing. And I KNOW it's my ignorance that prevents it!!!
It's certainly not ignorance -- if you put it in your DVD player, and it doesn't play, then it just doesn't work with your player. That's entirely possible, as I've seen it, myself (the Daewoo I mentioned previously was one that I still own, but no longer use, precisely because of this). The DVD itself is the same format as any DVD you would buy -- only the manufacturing process differs, so it's not clear to me why some players have problems with the discs, but they do, indeed.
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I think the exit polling went slightly askew when the pollsters were telling voters "You voted for Bush? Whadja vote for that asshole for, you shithead?!"
Right. Under penalty of some absurd proposed wingnut law I have no choice but tot turn the lot of you in for suspected smoking of Marijuana.
Sarah Deere -- The only remedy may well be... try it on a friend's player, or buy a new DVD player for yourself. 
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All this talk of album covers has given me a serious case of the munchies. Pavlovian reaction, I assume.
Or great enough to be deemed worthy of significant media reportage, ha ha ha...
Eli
Well first of all you've got to challenge it. The Repubs are still challenging the Washington State governor's election. Our swiftboat captain couldn't wait to concede.
Will someone please explain the purple spiders to me? PLEASE?
Yes, I am whining, but I assure you it is being done in a very manly fashion.
OT:
Analysts behind faulty Iraq intel rewarded
Shrub is like Tony Soprano without all that "Feds give a rat's ass" overhead.
until a way is found to defenestrate the lot of them, we are just inmates in their gulag.
There it is.
Alot of people here dont like Albet CHampion.TO me,he has been right every single time he has posted.
We are in a pickle and there is only dill to drink.That or kool aid.
What are we to do?
There is nothing we can do.It is out of our hands other than by force.
The revolution is demanding action.
Rush 2112
LOL, I keep forgetting you're not old, oldwhitelady!
Thersites is wearing his kilt again.
Right. Under penalty of some absurd proposed wingnut law I have no choice but tot turn the lot of you in for suspected smoking of Marijuana.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Email | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 1:02 am | #
No sir, it was in the past - "youthful indiscretion", if you will.
(watertiger made some comment about "youthful indiscretion" on another blog, earlier.) I liked the term... so I stole it!
Here's a strange little detail to discuss: Remember on election night, around eight or nine Eastern (approximately), when the White House did an "unprecedented" thing by allowing the media into the WH for an impromtu news conference?
Doesn't it seem like the vast majority of people who would've seen Chimpy's plea to the nation would likely have voted (were there really millions of registered voters who were sitting around, debating whether or not to vote, then saw Chimp make his plea and rushed to the polls?)?
Strange...
Thersites is wearing his kilt again.
In a very manly fashion.
Never mind the pumps, they are manly as well.
Sargent Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
LOL, I keep forgetting you're not old, oldwhitelady!
des | Email | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 1:05 am | #
Well, now, I'm a lot older than you, kiddo.
Thersites, on sci-fi tonight, a giant purple spider is going to eat Chicago! Or, take over city hall. Not sure which.
jeff, I have a relatively (2-1/2 yr old) computer w/HUGE memory.
I can try it work, however.
Please know that I am old and truly computer-ignorant. I'll see if one of the kids can help me!
Regards,
SD
Thersites is wearing his kilt again.
mena
Utilikilts
I wonder how many beers one has to chug to go bowling in a pair of utilikilts?
Should I be concerned about the bird flu if I live in a rural area that is populated by a good many poultry houses? I was thinking that the distance from other people would be an advantage, but...
Btw, disregard my misuse of the "angry frownie" emoticon. I meant to use ,
Sarah!
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Isn't it sad that Conyers is seen as "radical" for questioning the ethics of BushCo? My head hurts, again.
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Yes Bigvic
If you saw and heard JC speaking he is sooo not radical. He's doing the work while most others are covering their asses. I guess not thinking of yourself but what the constitution represents then that is pretty radical these days. Radical is a GOOD thing.
No sir, it was in the past - "youthful indiscretion", if you will.
Of course. You can explain that to your interrogator in Room 101 at Gitmo.
" Convention night Goodness
First Al Gore gave an inspiring speach while kicking dumbassed Dauphin in the nuts with a velvet sock. And then Carter came on and proceeded to slap dubya with the velvet glove before putting it on his iron fist and hitting him in the solar plexus, you know, in the way an 80 year old southern gentleman can kick you in the nuts, and you strangly feel compelled to thank him for the priviledge."
Ahh to think of the days that I thought an unstealable margin would march to the polls.
That was a fantastic convention.
Why did Bush and Rove make an afternoon visit to Ohio on election day?
Utilikilts
Wow, Cargo Kilt!
Liveblogging on 'Webs' starting now!
watertiger's "youthful indiscretion" comment was made here. This post is therefore strictly informational and not at all a blogswhore, though if you have not seen the story it relates to, you might wanna. Just saying.
"Question: What was your favorite deseeding album cover?"
Mars Hotel
Here's a strange little detail to discuss: Remember on election night, around eight or nine Eastern (approximately), when the White House did an "unprecedented" thing by allowing the media into the WH for an impromtu news conference?
Doesn't it seem like the vast majority of people who would've seen Chimpy's plea to the nation would likely have voted (were there really millions of registered voters who were sitting around, debating whether or not to vote, then saw Chimp make his plea and rushed to the polls?)?
Strange...
Dr. Cb,
Remember...*decades* of planning, scripting, charting. They never sleep, they have EVERYTHING worked out. Every day, some new horror, the worst reserved for late Fridays. They own the media. They frighten everyone who doesn;t agree w/them, because they can destroy them.
This is EVil Incarnate.
Do not doubt it.
Well, now, I'm a lot older than you, kiddo.
well you wouldn't know it by your picture, missy.
That was a fantastic convention.
So good it made them declare Orange Alert.
I resent the implication that I may be "suspected of marijuana use". I didn't think I'd left any doubt.
on sci-fi tonight, a giant purple spider is going to eat Chicago! Or, take over city hall. Not sure which.
EEEEK! When!
This is terrible news. The situation must be closely monitored from Moonbat Central.
jeff, no worries.
SD
Hold it in, it's Columbian. snork
Thersites
Terrible news is if there is a convention of Utilikilts in town, city eating purple spiders are simply an annoyance.
Sarah Deere -- Easier to try it on a friend and/or neighbor's player... that would likely show you that the disc is OK, but your home player -- for whatever unexplainable, yet verifiable reason! -- can't deal with it.
The PC route is not so bad, unless your PC isn't set up to recognize a standard DVD, and the automagically start up the already-installed DVD player software. One drag about watching on a PC -- PC monitors have better resolution than TVs, so the PC monitor can point up the flaws in digital video much better than TVs can (ironically, perhaps).
We'll get you the video in some form, one way or another...
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Remember...*decades* of planning, scripting, charting. They never sleep, they have EVERYTHING worked out. Every day, some new horror, the worst reserved for late Fridays. They own the media. They frighten everyone who doesn;t agree w/them, because they can destroy them.
This is EVil Incarnate.
Do not doubt it.
Sarah Deere
Your probably right, but you know what will do them in?
They're own hubris, and the gotcha' is....they're really fuckin' stoopid.
Kent, I agree about the convention. In retrospect it was actually Wes Clark's speech that I found most galvanizing.
Just watched The Verdict. Best line:
"Concannon's a good laywer."
"Good lawyer?! He's the prince of fucking darkness."
I likes me some Charlotte Rampling ca. 1982.
Kent, I agree about the convention. In retrospect it was actually Wes Clark's speech that I found most galvanizing.
Serious question. What speech made them raise the terror level. I'm not even joking about this. What day was it? I keep thinking it was the day Obama spoke but I could be wrong.
I likes me some Charlotte Rampling ca. 1982.
Mmm...
oh, dear, Jeff, we won't worry about it. I'll try it on some other 'puter, and I'm sure it will be fine.
I just can't get over the longing to want my computer to act like a toaster....
Intellectually, I KNOW better, but....
....they're really fuckin' stoopid.
Ummm...I hate to break it to ya.Theyr're the one holfing all the cards.I 'm not sure I'd call that stoopid.Evil?Yes.Stupid definatley not.
We are so fucked.
Doubly so because we think they're stupid.
"I resent the implication that I may be "suspected of marijuana use". I didn't think I'd left any doubt."
Backslider, we're happy we don't have to suspect you
This would not be the film called "Webs," would it?
Ooooh, it looks like some security guards are our heroes. perhaps a mistake; nobody really minds if security guards are eaten by giant purple spiders from another dimension.
Jeffraham-Sarah Deere and I stayed up for hours worrying about you going ballistic on fellow human beings one night. Turned out it was the crazy trolls.
Well, now, I'm a lot older than you, kiddo.
well you wouldn't know it by your picture, missy.
des | Email | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 1:11 am | #
That picture was about 5 years ago
Here is a current one...Don't know if link will work, though.
2 weeks ago
"This is like quantum physics!"
Only because you can't add, dude.
Backslider - whsssssssssssss....
Doubly so because we think they're stupid.
smalfish | Email | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 1:19 am | #
Of course they're stupid but so are most of the American people.
I'm feeling bitter these days with the realization that the war on terror and the war in Iraq is just going to be replaced by anger over immigration.
I'm serious. That's all most of the slightly right of center to conservative people I know can talk about.
When I try to make it fucking clear about how much money we're wasting in Iraq their response is "but Mexicans can get drivers licenses now".
It's pissing me off.
Sarah Deere: I just can't get over the longing to want my computer to act like a toaster....
WhoaWhoaWhoa.
Do you not have a home DVD player? If so, maybe I'm missing the important bits, here.
If you do have a home DVD player, try putting the disc in that instead of your PC, and let me know if we have Bingo.
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To the gentlemen at the bar: do three guys together really have the capacity to be so stupid?
Your probably right, but you know what will do them in?
They're own hubris, and the gotcha' is....they're really fuckin' stoopid.
Hoyt C.
Hoyt, I don't think they're stupid. I don't necessarily think they're intelligent (I don't), but they ARE *cunning*.
It's been pretty effective, so far.
They take our jobs and fuck our women.....
Sci Fi's running Alien Lockdown right now -- to be followed by Alien Fury. We don't want no stinkin' aliens. We want purple spiders -- now!
They're own hubris
And do they have hubris in spades or what?
Their key weakeness is what has been their key strength: the religious right.
In pandering to the fundamentalists they have gone way out of the mainstream first with the Schiavo case and now with the stem cell issue.
Both of those issues hit way too close to home for far too many people for the crazy fringe that runs the Republican agenda to be ignored by even the most wilfully ignorant middle American.
Jeff, I have a PC w/DVD player, into which I placed what you sent me.
It has both CD AND DVD player.
SD
(Ah, the ACRONYMS!!!)
To the gentlemen at the bar: do three guys together really have the capacity to be so stupid?
Sallyh, La Poissoniere | Email | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 1:21 am | #
Dear God, woman, you have no idea. I'm amazed I made it to 25, personally.
It's pissing me off.
I on the edge of tears again.
This has brought back the feelings I had right after the theft.
Toons--we have satellite here; are you a cable household?
magnolia's propaganda ministry: Jeffraham-Sarah Deere and I stayed up for hours worrying about you going ballistic on fellow human beings one night. Turned out it was the crazy trolls.
So I hear! Yeah... I read back through that crazy shit, and it's heartwarming to think so many of y'all freaked out enough to e-mail and buy Curly DVDs that weekend -- kinda makes me wish the trool wouldn't have given up so easily!
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A short history of 'Merkin politics
1950s: All commies all the time
1960s: All hippies all the time
1970s: All niggers all the time
1980s: All commies/Japs all the time
1990s: All Clinton's penis all the time
2000s: All Aye Rabs all the time
2010s: All Mexicans/Chinese all the time
Jeffraham--don't even say that stuff in jest! I barely slept that night! Big sis worries!
I on the edge of tears again.
This has brought back the feelings I had right after the theft.
I'm telling you. I was talking to this nice old lady. She was disillusioned with Bush.
Because he's not hard enough on immigrants.
She's sick of Arabs. She needs a new hate.
The situation must be closely monitored from Moonbat Central.
Sorry, but I'm busy right now.
You're on yer own..
kinda makes me wish the trool wouldn't have given up so easily!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
You stinker!!!!! 
Jeffraham, but they had so little respect for you, they thought you would actually say those things. Others knew better.
Sarah Deere: Jeff, I have a PC w/DVD player, into which I placed what you sent me.
Okay, just so I'm clear ('cause English is my second language -- my native tongue is Silleighese!): The ONLY DVD player you have is in your 'puter, is that correct?
If so, I can point you at a player, I think (you may already have one... we'll think about that in a minute).
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Serious question. What speech made them raise the terror level. I'm not even joking about this.
Cast thy mind into the dark backward and abysm of time...
It wasn't a specific speech. Remember how reports from Pakistan emerged a week prior to the convention saying that a fake warning would be given during the convention to raise the terror levels? And then this actually happened? And then how every single media punditoid shrugged their shoulders and said, "quite a coincidence!"
It was a plan conceived in advance, they got caught and did it anyway, and this was considered OK, all good fun.
Wheeeeee.
They take our jobs and fuck our women.....
The spiders from another dimension?
I read 'Handmaid's Tale' by Margaret Atwood recently. It seems like a pretty plausible scenario these days.
It wasn't a specific speech. Remember how reports from Pakistan emerged a week prior to the convention saying that a fake warning would be given during the convention to raise the terror levels?
If I were Barack Obama though and I wrote my autobiography, I'd entitle the chapter that describes me keynote speech like this:
Chaper 2: The Keynote Address. So Good it Raised the Terror Alert.
Sallyh
Alas, I am cable. So does this mean I'll have purple spiders in three hours. Bummer. I was hoping at some point to, you know, actually go to bed. But I hear this sleep thing is over-rated.
The purple spider movie is every single bit as dumb as you would expect -- and dumber.
oldwhitelady, you don't look old in that one either! You look like that elf princess from LOTR, you know, the blonde haired one, princess of the forest or whatever? Are you're ears pointy? :D
Okay, I'm on a bit of a lag on Webs here, but a coupla thoughts...
1) Richard Grieco! Awesome!
2) If you find a portable nuclear generator that's been abandoned for 15 years, DO NOT TOUCH IT.
You don't think they're stupid? Do you think John Kerry could have used "Bring 'em on" or "Mission Accomplished" to win the election? Do you think either one or both of those statements were stupid? Do you think starting a war based on lies and greed is stupid? I could go on and on. The reason you think they're smart is because the Democrats are spineless and stupider!
Alas, I am cable. So does this mean I'll have purple spiders in three hours. Bummer. I was hoping at some point to, you know, actually go to bed. But I hear this sleep thing is over-rated.
I only caught the end of Alien Lockdown, but it wasa pretty fucking hilarious.
Eli--there's your hot science babe!
des - thanks - elf princess, huh? That's funny! 5 years and many lbs added... no, no pointy ears
It was a plan conceived in advance, they got caught and did it anyway, and this was considered OK, all good fun.
TO me,this puts 9/11 back into a light tthat shows they knew and planned it.
There can be no other explanation anymore.
I dont believe a word from this administration or the fucking media.If you want to go on believeing 9/11 was an honest deal,go ahead,but to me this is now in play again.
Should I be honored? Naa
Thou shalt not steal mr. name thief forshame. I'm going to bed. Any other asshat borrowing my oh so clever name ain't me.
Nighty night
So stupid as what...?
You want I should round up two other guys and see how stupid we can get?
Won't be pretty. Darwin Award stuff.
The reason you think they're smart is because the Democrats are spineless and stupider!
And the media never calls them on anything.
Eli--there's your hot science babe!
Haven't gotten there yet! I expect I'll be caught up around the 45-minute mark or thereabouts.
Sallyh: Jeffraham--don't even say that stuff in jest! I barely slept that night! Big sis worries!
Aw, but... see? bill had a point -- I know y'all are far too smart to fall for this trooldrool stuff, if you pause for a moment. Y'all know my net connection is only occasional these days, and so when I don't answer your e-mail ASAP, it's likely I'm offline, completely, for some lengthy amount of time -- as much as a day or two, even.
But your concern is valid, so, in an attempt (far from perfect -- witness the "pie") to keep that from happening
in the future, I set up the Bulletin function on my blog to let y'all know when I'm online, vs. not online.
Please, don't worry about me -- it is safe to assume when someone is spouting completely crazy, out-of-character bullshit using my handle, it ain't me.
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Well, obviously, I got nuthin tonight. I've mostly been trying to keep up, but it's good to be back here and hear all your voices. I'll check in tomorrow. Shine on you crazy diamonds.
Whee!!! Cobwebby urban wastelands are fun!
The purple spider movie is every single bit as dumb as you would expect -- and dumber.
Yes, but that's what makes it perfect!
The reason you think they're smart is because the Democrats are spineless and stupider!
Yes. But I tend to think the lapdog media is a bigger problem.
But then, choose your poison!
Alert! 'Dinocroc' tomorrow night!!!
My life is complete.
Well, at least till I think about how things are out in the world.
Oho! One of the "bill"s is prob'ly the same namestealin' asshole who stole my name last weekend, eh?
As if I care. Namestealers are only good for keeping the royal penis clean, IMO.
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Ooo, she's like a hot *ninja* science babe! AWESOME!!!
Why can't the spiders attack Crawford?
"Dinocroc" sounds like fun. - It's on cable, though, right? DRAT!
I guess I shouldn't be so hard on the Dems because of the corrupt media, but if we had some smart Dems they'd find a way to get the message out. They're getting better at it. Things are definitely better now than 6 or 8 months ago.
Um, is there a reason wooden stakes appear to be the weapon of choice against the spider people? Are they confusing them with something else?
Ooo, cool! Giant hair-eating spider!
GI Bill--are you saying that, if you put a group of guys together, one should take the collective IQ, divide by the number of guys present, and then divide in half again, resulting in the actual collective IQ?
Things are definitely better now than 6 or 8 months ago.
Too fucking late.
Those dems sold us up the river long ago.
THey have partaken of the kool aid as well.
Seems the only one who is clean is Conyers.What good is that?One honest man against the entire congressional caucus?Sure.
If this book doesnt awake a sleeping giant,I'm afraid there is no hope.
GI Bill--are you saying that, if you put a group of guys together, one should take the collective IQ, divide by the number of guys present, and then divide in half again, resulting in the actual collective IQ?
Unless they're Atriots, of course.
Or not.
GI Bill--are you saying that, if you put a group of guys together, one should take the collective IQ, divide by the number of guys present, and then divide in half again, resulting in the actual collective IQ?
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
Hey, I resemble that remark!
The purple spider movie is every single bit as dumb as you would expect -- and dumber.
Thersites
Sir, you taunt me with the sublimeness of it dumbitude.
Do the spiders truly eat Chicago? One of my favorite things as a young pre-Toonscribe was to keep a running list of all the cities eaten by various creatures -- Reptilicus: Copenhagen; the Black Scorpion: Mexico City; the Giant Behemoth: New York; some fucking giant squid I can't remember the name of: San Francisco -- ah, the list went on and on. I was hoping to give Chicago its second mention on the list after the grasshoppers got it in that Peter Graves movie. There was another movie where Chicago was destroyed by giant slabs (not a fast-moving flick -- and doesn't count on the list because a slab is not a creature), but I can't remember the title -- think Richard Denner (or Denning?) played the scientist in that one. I grow old. I think the mind is failing.
This purple spider movie raises some interesting questions about Chicago municipal government.
First, what procedures does one follow to conduct multi-dimensional-portal experiments in the downtown area? Does this go through the University? (cd maybe could answer this.) What's the permit process like? I am currently led to believe that this is the entire basis of the Chicago economy, opening portals to evil spider dimensions. What's the profit motive there, though? Baffling.
Also, can one really walk into a handy downtown Chicago armaments shop and purchase an "arsenal" with only a driver's license and cash? Given the city's lamentable history of gangsterism, they might want to close this loophole. Just a suggestion.
des - thanks - elf princess, huh? That's funny! 5 years and many lbs added... no, no pointy ears
Yeah, you got that surrounded by light thing going on in that picture. lol I'm not that young, anyways. I'll be 32 in November.
G'night, moonbats - gotta get up and go to work in a couple hours. Have fun, but not too much fun!
oldwhitelady,
Afer seeing that pic, I have to ask: Why do you call yourself that?
I'll be damned if I'm gonna start calling myself "Old Central Scrutinizer".
Apparently The Mark is terribly important to the anti-spider freedom fighters...
G'nite, youngcaucasianlass!
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I'm not that young, anyways. I'll be 32 in November.
Kids these days.....
des - 32 is young. I think you look younger in your picture. However, there is a saying, "Never trust anyone over 30."
des - 32 is young. I think you look younger in your picture. However, there is a saying, "Never trust anyone over 30."
Funny, I don't trust anyone *under* 30...
Sarah Deere -- I've e-mailed you the ultimate DVD troubleshooting guide (which consists of the questions: "Your only DVD player is in your PC [yes/no]").
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This is one bad movie tho.
Night Jeffraham! night Curly!
Central Scrutinizer - explanation as told to my blog
and now - good night, my friends.. I really need my sleep.
Oh, I'm still here for a few... just wanted to send owl off, appropriately.
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Okay, Jeff, I screwed that one up. It was OWL going to bed...night OWL!
I was hoping to give Chicago its second mention on the list after the grasshoppers got it in that Peter Graves movie.
The Beginning of the End. Hee hee. Graves has a great line in that -- the giant locusts mutated from eating his atomic grain, and at one point he says "I can't help feeling partially responsible."
"Never trust anyone over 30."
lol but that's for if you're what, 13?
why do the spiders have to eat hair?! There could be a spider in the house when I try to go to sleep . . .
"Kids these days....."
A 32 year old could conceivably be a kid of mine. Granted, I'd have only been 18, but it does happen.
Apparently The Mark is terribly important to the anti-spider freedom fighters...
See why it's so smart to get an ugly cheap tattoo? Huh?
Apparently they are in a parallel universe where electricians are worshipped as GODS!
If anyone knows of a parallel universe infested with friendly kittens where bankers are worshipped as gods, please give me directions.
oldwhitelady,
OK, I'm better now.
These anti-purple-spider warriors look suspiciously like the cast of 21 Jum Street.
G'nite, elf princess, good nite mena!
why do the spiders have to eat hair?! There could be a spider in the house when I try to go to sleep . . .
I totally thought of the hair-eating first. Tell 'em, Sallyh!
Goodnight Moonbats..
I leave you with the inspiring words of my 89 year old Ukrainian grandfather, "No lika 'da Booooosh!"
Nightcha, OWL & Hoyt!
des
At not yet 32, thou art but a mere pup. I prepare in July to slip into 54 as though it were a comfortable pair of well-worn jeans.
des considers herself old? Hay-sus! How old is that pix on your bloggie?
I don't care -- send me bathwater!
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And mena!!
If anyone knows of a parallel universe infested with friendly kittens where bankers are worshipped as gods, please give me directions.
It's called LasVegas, Eli.
Sallyh,
A friend of mine was a grandmother at 31.
And yes, I live in Kansas.
mena left? Where was I?
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It's called LasVegas, Eli.
I think they only worship *rich* bankers...
I have a cousin in the NYC electricians' union, and trust me, these clowns are not NEARLY as strange as actual electricians.
"I must kill... the queen. I must kill... the queen."
ANyone keeping count fo the number of products that get a plug in the "film"?
So far I havent seen a one.Must be that Low Low budget.
Ads?We dont need no steenken ads!
Are they trying to *hot-wire* the interdimensional portal?
I don't trust anyone over 8, personally. That's about the time society, the school system and the media has triple-whammied the wonder out of kids.
Thanks for your company, moonbats. I should get some sleep, I don't know what time my friends are going to drag me out of bed in the am -- but they damn well better bring expresso!
G'nite! Watch out for the spiders.
"You must be very strong."
"I don't know how else to be."
Eli totally thought of the hair eating first.
But I came up with the hagfish idea.
Eli, what's tomorrow's lineup? I need to plan my day around my preferred flicks.
Btw, Sallyh's backhoe driver has apparently made it to my fiber trunk as well, as I can no longer reach my bloggie. So... the bulletin may not be effective (or, as effective as usual), since I can't get to it to tell everyone that I've gone offline -- which I kinda plan to do in the next 20 mins. or so, as I'm tard.
"Tard" is hillbilly for "tired," btw.
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Nightcha, desbat!
"You must be very strong."
"I don't know how else to be."
Eli's in wonderland.
Here's a strange little detail to discuss: Remember on election night, around eight or nine Eastern (approximately), when the White House did an "unprecedented" thing by allowing the media into the WH for an impromtu news conference?
Doesn't it seem like the vast majority of people who would've seen Chimpy's plea to the nation would likely have voted (were there really millions of registered voters who were sitting around, debating whether or not to vote, then saw Chimp make his plea and rushed to the polls?)?
Strange...
Dr. Cb, Raising eyebrows
I don't remember this. Bush campaigned on election day? Isn't that illegal?
Sallyh: Eli, what's tomorrow's lineup? I need to plan my day around my preferred flicks.
Sweetie, have I not shared TitanTV with ye, yet? For those who dig TV, this is better than sex... well, perhaps not. It's pretty good, though.
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I don't trust anyone over 8, personally. That's about the time society, the school system and the media has triple-whammied the wonder out of kids.
I don't trust 'em under 8, either. Get peed in the eye by a 7-month-old...
Sallyh,
I'm saying that it's Friday night, end of a tough week, start of a long weekend, large quantities of libations... I'm not sure I can forecast results by algorithm. I'm just being intuitive here.
What the fuck do electricians know about "nuclear cores"? And why are experiments involving nuclear power conducted in downtown Chicago office buildings?
Chicago is a weird city.
what's tomorrow's lineup? I need to plan my day around my preferred flicks.
Fangs is next
Deep Star six is on at 8 AM
Leviathan at 10
Spiders at noon
Gargantua at 2
Sabretooth at 4
Snake head at 6
Dinocroc at 8
Deep shock at 10
And THreshold at midnight.
All times CST
Jeffraham, thanks!!!!
One honest man against the entire congressional caucus?Sure.
smalfish, better one than none.
it is safe to assume when someone is spouting completely crazy, out-of-character bullshit using my handle, it ain't me.
Jeff, good to know, I DID worry!!!!
Jeffraham, but they had so little respect for you, they thought you would actually say those things. Others knew better.
bill
No, bill, it's not that I disrespected him, I just worried. These are harsh and cruel times.
Jeff, I'll check email tomorrow!!
Sleep well, all, sweet dreams, the very, very best.
XXOO/SD
Birthday parties with cool jazz... life in a dimnsion ruled by evil giant purple spiders...
Gimmee a minute.
Get peed in the eye by a 7-month-old...
Been there. Done that -- or rather, had it done. But when they're 11 years old you can embarrass the hell out of them by telling the story.
Sabretooth, Snakehead and Dinocroc. I am so there. Not much will get done tomorrow afternoon.
Okay, it's nearly ONE in the A-mizzle, here in GnashVegas...
Given that I may be starting a job soon (assuming I can get past that EMIT screen... heh!) that has a start time of 7:00, I might could head to the hizzy, now.
G'nite -- love y'all (especially Sallyh, though).
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Thersites,
Use it to your advantage in future arguments. You know that point when you've basically said all you can say and nothing's left but the insults? Just say, "Young lady/man, may I remind you that, at a certain time in your life, you peed on me."
You really can't come back from that one.
What Went Wrong In Ohio. Fairy tales for frustrated Democrats. Not even John Kerry believes it. But please, keep up with the delusion. Its fun to watch.
I think Richard Grieco and Hot Ninja Babe are gonna hook up!
I have an uncanny instinct about these things.
I don't trust anyone over 8, personally. That's about the time society, the school system and the media has triple-whammied the wonder out of kids.
Backslider
My granddaughter is 10, and still with me (that's "with" not in the literal sense).
I have Great Hopes for this child.
Have permission from her parents to have the big Sex Talk with her soon.
Suggestions most certainly welcome.
Thanks for ignoring the idiot.
Nightcha, Jeffro!
So how do they know that a new portal won't take them to a planet infested by bears or giant roaches or something?
Dinocroc. Roger Corman allowed access to digital technology.
The gods shudder.
The gods shudder.
With delight.
And anticipation.
"So how do they know that a new portal won't take them to a planet infested by bears or giant roaches or something?
Eli "
Cuz if it did, the creators of sliders would sue 'em.
Smalfish--thanks for the lineup! All PDT playing time are displaced by
Not even John Kerry believes it
You can bet your ass he knows and believes.Trouble is he is too much of a puss to do anything about it.
And are;nt you just one fine upstanding American,when you can let even the hint of election fraud slip by you teeney fucking brain.Its people like you that are letting this country rot from within.You have no ambition or desires.ALl you know how to do is follow blindly into the darkness.I hope you fucking stumble into that abyss you call a life with nothing but your fucking conscience,because it will never let you live guilt free,when the truth hits you smack in you toothless head.
"The gods shudder."
What do you think they do on Saturday afternoons, anyway?
All right! I'm finally caught up! Just in time for a Vagisil commercial!
Huzzah!
Sarah--when it comes to sex, the truth works best.
I'm waiting for the regime's policy to dictate that we were all deposited by the stork.
Eli--I wasn't going to say anything, but don't you think Condoleeza Rice always has this look that says, it really itches down there?
Just in time for a Vagisil commercial!
I didnt see vagisil.I saw some stupid commercial about ab slimming.But no vagisil.
Did they demonstrate proper techniques?
G'night y'all.
Remember, the trolls only hold the power that you give them.
Be well.
You really can't come back from that one.
I dunno. He's just 5 and can already outwit me astonishingly often.
If you're serious about parenting, the ONLY thing you have going for you is patience. Gotta take the long view.
Got to like your kids, too. Astonishing the number of grownups who only look at their kids as problems. My spawn are funny as hell, good-looking, and a riot to hang with.
don't you think Condoleeza Rice always has this look that says, it really itches down there?
She makes ME itch down there...
it really itches down there?
Does Condi have jock itch?
I dunno. He's just 5 and can already outwit me astonishingly often.
I'm just gonna walk away slowly from that one.
So how do they know that a new portal won't take them to a planet infested by bears or giant roaches or something?
Nobody even noticed the Evil Manatee invasion of Saskatchewan.
Yum,black blood!
Hey!That guys not dead!
GO back,go back and kill him proper.
She makes ME itch down there...
I'd think twice before telling anyone that...
Ann Coulter might be the carrier.
Great, now we have two pandemics to worry about. Or at least some of us do.
All right, Hot Ninja Babe is really handy with an axe!
Hot nija babe and electrician dude will be sole survivors.
Mark my words.Case like above.I'm really good at the knowing.
Thersites--agree with you on liking your kids. Mine is so much fun, and with the exception of her Adventures with Methamphetamines, she's always been a delight to be around, and we're very close.
Weird part? She was invited out with friends tonight. Told her friend, nah, I'm gonna hang out at home and barbecue and watch movies with the parents.
Got to like your kids, too.
Thers, unfortunately, not all do.
I adore both my g 'kids. They are wunnerful, and I SO enjoy their company!!! I consider myself lucky.
Sallyh, yes, the Truth About Sex. Easier believed in than said. I will try to do my best w/respect to it.
Finally going to bed! Have had trouble getting there and getting real sleep once there, this week!!! Feels pretty good, right now.
Best to you all.
What Went Wrong In Ohio:
The Conyers Report on the 2004 Presidential Election
Introduction by Gore Vidal
BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nightcha, SD!
BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grand Moff Texan | Email | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 2:25 am | #
Namestealer.
Would someone kindly divert a purple spider to devour the namestealing troll?
Being dispatched by a hot ninja babe is too good for him. Heck, even an electrician's overqualified.
How do they have such nice haircuts in the evil spider future?
How do they have such nice haircuts in the evil spider future?
Well, we already know the spider queen likes to eat hair.
Maybe they have an... arrangement.
How do they have such nice haircuts in the evil spider future?
Better yet,how is it,in every movie someone always knows how to make a bomb?I would probably blow myself up if I was to even attempt it.Yet every movie like this one,amatures all know how to make effective bombs.
What gives?
Better yet,how is it,in every movie someone always knows how to make a bomb?I would probably blow myself up if I was to even attempt it.Yet every movie like this one,amatures all know how to make effective bombs.
You've obviously never gone to electrician school.
I have four cats and a dog helping me watch the spideys.
One thing I like about this movie is its egalitarianism. In this world, you are a halfwit electrician with a dopey haircut. In the Other Dimesion, you are the Chosen One.
If I ever get stuck in some dimesion where Ultimate Evil in the form of some malignant tuna or hamster or other can only be defeated by invoking absurd puns, I pray that Eli will by my side.
If I ever get stuck in some dimesion where Ultimate Evil in the form of some malignant tuna or hamster or other can only be defeated by invoking absurd puns, I pray that Eli will by my side.
My worry is that we won't be allowed to use puns, for fear of giving away our location to the Queen Hamster.
Funny how GM can make a commercial that touts its trucks ability to not flip over.Yet on the highway today,I saw allstate or statefame telling me that trucks DO flip over,and I ought to buckle up.
Whos telling the truth?
At least there's some cast devourage. It's the only thing that redeems this film.
My worry is that we won't be allowed to use puns, for fear of giving away our location to the Queen Hamster.
Touche...
Okay, timeout, timeout.
Did the Queen Spider have BOOBS???
Whos telling the truth?
Joe Isuzu.
At least there's some cast devourage. It's the only thing that redeems this film.
Not enough...
Egad! Ray is being eaten by the cast of Fame!
Eli--I confess, boobs are not the sort of thing I pay much attention to. You've seen your own set, you've seen them all.
("I saved enough to buy this island... And all the fish.")
Now why did the black guy get eaten and the white kid got to live?
Well, now that the last of his electrician buddies is toast, I guess Richard Grieco might as well stay and help to rebuild Spiderworld.
Speaking of hamsters, anyone ever fire up their computers for the Hamster Dance?
I once went into the lab and synched all the computers to it. That was actually work, so I haven't done it since.
Eli--I confess, boobs are not the sort of thing I pay much attention to. You've seen your own set, you've seen them all.
Yeah, but ya gotta admit they're kinda incongruous on a giant fucking spider...
Did the Queen Spider have BOOBS???
Yeah, she's eaten about six of them so far.
Speaking of hamsters, anyone ever fire up their computers for the Hamster Dance?
I have an MP3 of the techno remix...
I once went into the lab and synched all the computers to it. That was actually work, so I haven't done it since.
Math people are so weird.
Thank GOD I'm in the humanities.
Asian bird flu expected to kill 100's of millions worldwide, destroying the global economy as bans on travel and shipments of goods are halted.
What is Bush doing?
Not a motherfucking thing besides Guckert.
Thank GOD I'm in the humanities.
Oh the humanity!
Thersites--yes, but I'm guessing we have better betting pools.
Latest pool? Date of Bush's impeachment. Current total of pool = $200.
Thank GOD I'm in the humanities.
Oh yeah. You blend.
I dont buy the fact that Jared lost all that weight by eating subway sandwiches.
In fact I dont believe he was all that overweight.
The wing nuts know the election was stolen but they don't give a shit. They can win any other way even with the fundie vote.
Or rather: Know they can't win any other way.
Thersites--yes, but I'm guessing we have better betting pools.
Ours our great, but then nobody can agree on the meaning of the signifier.
Clean sheets. Of sorts...
Yowza--I don't even know that the CDC is even permitted to post anything on the extent of the real threat, but statistically speaking, it looks pretty horrible. I've done some epidemiological vectoring, and this is one ugly fucker.
BTW, we will probably end up with 10X the amount of the current pool by the end of summer.
Asian bird flu expected to kill 100's of millions worldwide, destroying the global economy as bans on travel and shipments of goods are halted.
That shit scares me. They're talking in terms like it is going to happen. I'm going into full lock-down mode then. I hope we have enough stores by then. I plan to do a lot of canning over the next year and purchasing food that will keep.
Sorry - way behind but,
Phil Ochs, Tape from California
back cover best.
You guys and your giant spider boobs...
I just saw an actual great flick- Layer Cake (aka L4yer Cake). No arachnids per se, but it did have Colm Meaney (whom you also would not want to find crawling up your leg). If you are a fan of British gangsters or enjoyed Snatch, Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels, or Sexy Beast you'll enjoy this.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled schlockfest, already in progress.
Another cool thing about that house we're moving into is that it has a generator that immediately kicks in if the electricity gets cut off like in a storm. It runs on natural gas.
String is going to love hiding in the huge azelea beds there. Nothing will ever catch her.
It also has two fireplaces with natural gas starters and a way to put firewood through from the outside through a trap door. Not the attachment I'm in but the main house.
I know ya'll are sick already of hearing about this house.
I wonder about labeling the republican party as fascist. Certainly there are parallels to fascism. There is the rampant corporatism and the addiction to symbols (such as car magnets). But I wonder if it is not more accurate to compare the republicans and particularly the neocons to the mid twentieth century communist Soviets. To put it another way, the republican party of the 21st century is a Stalinist party. It is a party that demands loyalty to the party that supercedes loyalty to the nation.
And it is a revolutionary party. Today on the Majority Report show on Air America, Janeane Gerafolo (sp?)wondered aloud why Grover Norquist was an admirer of the Bolshevik revolution. She offered a very complicated tinfoil explanation of why that was true. But I think the explanation is very simple. Grover Norquist is a revolutionary who wants to overthrow liberal democracy. He is a soulmate to and admirer of the absolutism of the Bolsheviks. He is looking to establish the same degree of party absolutism in America in the early 21st century as Stalin was able to establish in Russia in the late 1940s and 50s.
This is what we are up against, the Busheviks of the 21st century have replaced the Bolsheviks of the 20th century. It has damn little to do with Christianity per se, but Christianity is being used as a wedge tool to accomplish their goals. These folks are playing for keeps. There is a reason that they are demonizing liberals. They are trying to overthrow the age of reason that liberalism was built upon.
They are the bastard children of the military industrial complex. Ike was a good soldier and true patriot for warning us about them, the only hope we have is to overturn their rotting scheme to turn us into a nation that cares for nothing but our precious military expenditures. When they blow shit up in Iran, we should take names and numbers and keep track of the media. It's our job to never give these assholes a minute to gloat about their own imagined power. It may soon be our job to bring them down if they continue to shit on our constitutional laws.
I know ya'll are sick already of hearing about this house.
No way!
Sounds like a dream to me.
Nope Incog, I love hearing about other peoples abodes, the art of living begins at home.
Sounds like a dream to me.
Central Scrutinizer
The best part of it is that bayou within walking distance with fish I wouldn't be worried about eating.
I'm going to catch, clean and freeze so much fish...
I'll also be able to get out and work with my hands. I can't do anything here and it's been frustrating with everything that's been going on.
Twelve-mile Bayou is a major bayou here so I'm sure it has woppers in there.
Another Bruce- Krugman made exactly that point in the introduction to The Great Unraveling, by way of Kissinger's doctoral dissertation. I heard him talk about it last year on his book tour prior to the election, and he was not optimistic (and sadly correct). He stressed the point that these guys are very motivated to retain power, no longer simply because of the spoils or the power itself, but because as soon as somebody else gets control, all the shit they've done and been hiding is going to start surfacing.
Personally, I have no belief they plan to surrender power and will do more and more to hold on to it. Bush, Frist, Delay, and so on are replaceable - the system they have entrenched will go on with new figureheads. It's just a big whack-a-mole game till a sizeable chunk of the populace decides to start participating in the government shaping their lives. That's the sad part- revolutionary powers beget more revolution eventually, and they're rarely peaceful.
Nope Incog, I love hearing about other peoples abodes, the art of living begins at home.
Another Bruce
The kitchen there is larger than here but I will probably be using my sister's stove. It's one of those big six burners with gas. I forgot to check and see if my stove was gas or electricity. I like cooking with natural gas better than electricity.
I love my house Incog, it's small, only 600 sq ft on the floor design. But it has a loft, skylights, hardwood floors, and a good funky back porch and a big yard that makes it seem like a big space. My cat Gretchie is pretty happy since I moved here from apartmentville. Things grow really fast here in the northwest, But I love the challenge of trying to keep up with it. I get a lot of joy out of planting flowers and pulling up broadleaf weeds. I wouldn't trade it for the world. (Actually, it is the world!)
My twin and her partner are excited about the 5 of us are creating our own version of a family. Fuck off fundies and try to stop us. I'm going to teach her son everything my dad taught me.
But I love the challenge of trying to keep up with it. I get a lot of joy out of planting flowers and pulling up broadleaf weeds. I wouldn't trade it for the world. (Actually, it is the world!)
Another Bruce
Yeah, I know what you mean. I can't wait to get started with the flowers and everything. It looks daunting right now. It's mostly all gone to seed and dry. We're below normal rainfall here for some reason. My sister was concerned wanting help. They seem over thier heads when you start looking at it and what needs to be done. It's huge, over 10 acres.
Incog -- what kind of fish are in the bayous?
It's daunting. There's like a wild vine growing up the front of the main house, daunting.
Incog -- what kind of fish are in the bayous?
LaMar
Here we've got catfish, white perch, which get about a foot long, and brim which get about 8 inches long. Since this bayou is off Cross Lake, it's stocked because people fish it so the catfish will probably be Blue Channel Catfish, which are better eating.
Are the white perch and brim good eating too?
Are the white perch and brim good eating too?
LaMar
Yeah, and I also forgot to mention bass.
Jeffco, the challenge is to try to describe what's happening without trying to sound like a nutcase. It's not easy, because they really do control not only the voting machines, but a lot of the election commissions as well. While I understand that we (as liberals that believe in liberal democracy) got complacent and allowed a certain extent of this to happen, I am really amazed at the extent of planning they did to get to this place, it was a long-planned stealth attack on liberalism that they would not dare fight in the light of the day.
So here is our challenge, and I think we should be smart enough to handle it. How do we foil the rigged voting calculations? I don't think that we should do it by rigging the vote in our favor, although that is one way of doing it. I think we find a way of catching their own hand in the cookie jar, and cutting it off so they have to wipe with their right hand.
Those four fish species are what's mostly eaten here. Some eat gar but they have too strong a fish smell and taste for me.
Thanks for the lesson.
My fish knowledge is limited to the Pacific NW and the Great Lake states.
I like cooking with natural gas better than electricity.
You and me both( and probably most people). You can control the temperature of a gas flame much easier than an electric burner. I think that's one reason people like to barbeque so much. Ya get to cook over an open fire.
Jeffco, the challenge is to try to describe what's happening without trying to sound like a nutcase.
I'm sick of trying to explain what's going on and people think you're from another planet. Try telling anyone the election was probably stolen and see what happens.
My fish knowledge is limited to the Pacific NW and the Great Lake states.
LaMar
I like this bayou drains off the city's water source so the water is strictly regulated as far as what is allowed to go into it all around its shore. Anyway, what sort of fresh water fish do you guys eat there?
My fish knowledge is limited to the Pacific NW and the Great Lake states.
LaMar
Yeah but that's a pretty wide extent of fishing knowledge. My brother is a fishing guide in the midwest, and I love the seafood here in Seattle.
We don't have trout here.
I like white perch the best. They get really meaty on the sides. Of course, you have to descale them which is kinda messy with scales flying everywhere, then you take your filleting knife and take it right down the bone on both sides. The fillets go in a large bowl covered to the top with water and then frozen. The gut pile goes in the garden.
Anyway, what sort of fresh water fish do you guys eat there?
Perch, walleye, bass, pike (when it's big enough) catfish, sunfish. That's the upper midwest, where I'm from.
String is going to get plenty of raw fish soon.
Yeah but that's a pretty wide extent of fishing knowledge. My brother is a fishing guide in the midwest, and I love the seafood here in Seattle.
Another Bruce | Email | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 3:57 am | #
Yes! Puget Sound area seafood.
Lived in Tacoma years ago. Favorite thing was to ride my bicycle down to the Point Defiance Boat House Cafeteria.
opened face crab sandwich, $1.69. yummm
The old boat house burned down and the new one is just not the same.
pike (when it's big enough
I think pike are what we call gar here. They seem too fishy tasting to me. Maybe they're different there. They get huge here, up to 150 lbs.
We have perch too called Sun Perch. They're solid bright red and get about 8 inches long and fat. I forgot those, too.
I'll see if I can find a pic of some of these.....
Pike is good fried fresh after catching. After that it's really only good for soups.
I think pike are what we call gar here.
Maybe, I'm not enough of a fisherguy to know. The pike are called "northern" up in Minnesota-Wisconsin. So I don't know if that means that they are a northern fish. They are a long bodied snake like fish with lots of sharp teeth that put up a hell of a fight and generally have to be caught at 9 pounds or more to be worthwhile eating.
This is a Blue Perch which is a Sun Perch that is bright red.
They are a long bodied snake like fish with lots of sharp teeth that put up a hell of a fight
Yeah, it's the same species as gar.
think we find a way of catching their own hand in the cookie jar, and cutting it off so they have to wipe with their right hand.
No, despite the vast evidence to the contrary, I choose to continue to believe that lying, cheating, stealing, and generally screwing over everyone you perceive as not your own (and not a few of your own as well) comes to its own reward. No point in our slouching down that road as well. Unless one is willing to become them, there is no beating them at their own game.
It's also hard to talk about the general public going along with all this without sounding elitist or somehow removed from them. That's another talent of the amoral; they will use the language of Christianity or Nascar or Toby Keith if it gets them a way in to somebody's head without a single concern that they could not give a rat's ass about any of it. No point in trying to copy that either; every leftie that tries to be other than who he or she is jumps right into the 'phony' stereotype. I still have the dents from slapping my forehead at every boneheaded gaffe Kerry and Gore made along those lines.
Leaving aside engaging the nonvoters, I do think there is a vast middle that is happy to be swayed and led- this is a republic after all. Clinton could connect with people without being phony- that's not because he's a centrist, it's because he's genuine, warts and all. Bush may be a true sunovabich, but he must honestly believe he's God's gift to the US of A, and that counts for a lot with a lot of people.
When the left generates an articulate and unabashed liberal who is both politically and media savvy, we'll have a fighting chance. Dean is almost that, but he's too old school, i.e., bad on TV. There were people ready to hit the streets in 00 and 04, but what can you do when your own leader rolls over? Kick him out and find somebody that won't screw us over when it counts. Wish I knew somebody like that.
The old boat house burned down and the new one is just not the same.
I hate hearing these stories, up in Seattle we just this last winter lost a place called "Charlie's in Shilshole" A great basic cheap place with good food and brew and a deck that you watched the sun setting over the Puget Sound and on the Olympic Mountains from. It's almost impossible to find waterfront relaxation spots that you don't have to worry about the size of your wallet.
This is a Blue Channel catfish. They taste much better than a Mud Cat which half head and has a strong fat layer and fishy smell. Here's a pic of an Alligator Gar.
That alligator gar is not the pike I used to fish but it's probably in the same family. It has a longer snout than the pike.
Although I haven't fished in a loooong time (being vegetarian), I used to enjoy it a great deal. Mostly lake fishing for northern pike and catfish, but some trout fishing as well. The pike were always the most fun because of the fight. I suspect sitting out with a hookless line would be at least 80% as enjoyable.
I've nothing against fishing for food, but since I wouldn't be doing that the whole catch and release thing just wouldn't work for me.
Incog, I think that's the perch we call "Sunfish" or "Sunnys" except that I remember the sides of the fish having a golden color.
Here's a White Perch, my favorite fresh water fish.
JeffCo, I haven't fished for years for the same reason. When I stopped eating fish I stopped fishing. But it was interesting. One big pike took my rod...
White Perch has a flaky texture and mild flavor like Orange Roughy and are about the same sized fillets. I don't know why they're not grown commercially.
Incog, I'm too lazy to href a nothern, but google "northern pike" and you will see a fish that is related, but not quite the same as a gar.
JeffCo, for the record, I don't want to play the republican power game, but I want to bust them and bust them bad. I don't want them to ever dare again to fuck with our country and our constitution.
I think the worst thing about the pike was when it was hooked deep. We had a set of curvy locking surgical pliers we'd use, but even with those sometimes those pointy little teeth would take a chunk of flesh. Hard to blame them though.
Here's a Northern Pike. It looks just like ours but ours are greener in color. I can't eat them. I don't know about Pike, but Gar here tastes really fishy.
I think the worst thing about the pike was when it was hooked deep.
I hate when any fish is hooked deep. I convinced they feel the pain. I just want to quickly unhook them and throw them on ice. I hate pulling out a deep hook.
Gar here are spotty like that but more green and about 6 feet long.
The Northern pike is close but not quite what I used to fish for in Europe. And yes, they bite if you let them, which really was fair.
I think the worst thing about the pike was when it was hooked deep. We had a set of curvy locking surgical pliers we'd use, but even with those sometimes those pointy little teeth would take a chunk of flesh.
Hell that brings back memories, I remember as a nine year old kid I had about a seven pound northern that nearly pulled me off the boat. My dad made me pull a hook out of the back of its throat. He held its mouth open for me so it wouldn't bite off my hand.
And fuck yeah, fish feel pain. Worms and bacterial cells feel pain. It's a basic motivator of life.
I remember the first (and only) time I boiled a lobster. I had heard that they don't feel pain because they have no nerve endings. Guess what, the second I put the poor sucker in the pot he wanted out. Did you know that lobsters have soulful eyes that can penetrate your heart? The lil' fucker's soulful eyes ruined my dinner. I deserved at least that.
The Northern pike is close but not quite what I used to fish for in Europe. And yes, they bite if you let them, which really was fair.
Echidne of the snakes
They didn't have a strong fishy taste to you? These here taste like eating the skin off a salmon.
The lil' fucker's soulful eyes ruined my dinner. I deserved at least that.
Another Bruce
I can't throw a 100 year old lobster off in the boiling water but I don't have a problem boiling crawfish.
Northern pike have teeth like pointed little razor blades.
don't try a lower lip hold like you would on a bass.
I can't wait to get started on that house and yard. We have all the energy. We're all in our mid-thirties and are a little scared being overwhelmed but we can handle it.
They didn't have a strong fishy taste to you? These here taste like eating the skin off a salmon.
Not straight from the sea, but if you waited even a day, yes, the taste got stronger. My mom makes a really good fish soup out of pike. Though many people like it fried even when it's not like a second from the water.
Another Bruce- yeah, I know you weren't advocating criminal malevolence, and I too have those fantasies of taping the whole crew being perp-walked down Pennsylvania Avenue and watching it over and over. (I only recently taped over election night '92!) But I think we are in a losing proposition reacting against the culmination of a thirty-year effort by the rightwing forces to dominate society. They have captured the minds, if not the hearts, of mainstream America, even if temporarily.
We have got to stop playing catch-up and start getting out in front of the curve. I don't know whether the Dems are up to that, but it's been bugger all getting a viable third party going, so for now that's what we've got to work with. Reid is at least showing some signs of life, and Dean seems to be following through on taking it to them state by state.
The point is, they are not the great and powerful Oz- or maybe the point is they are, in fact, nearly all humbugs. Don't forget, they have failed in most all of their social agenda, however much they threaten to push large segments of the population back into closets, kitchens, alleyways, or other positions of subservience. There is a backlash to be sure, but the kids today for the most part are uninterested in many of the conservative concerns. One of the talking heads the other day was suggesting that the fact that gay marriage was ever controversial will seem incredible in a few decades, much as the separate water fountains look to us today (well, most of anyway). Here's hoping.
Incog -- thanks again for the great fish info and best of luck on your house.
Though many people like it fried even when it's not like a second from the water.
Echidne of the snakes
Blacks and Cajuns deep fry what's called "Gar balls" which is some concoction of the Gar meat like a croquet.
Blacks and Cajuns deep fry what's called "Gar balls" which is some concoction of the Gar meat like a croquet.
Yes, my mom used to make "fishballs", like meatballs, but made out of pike and deep-fried. Interesting how the solutions are similar all over the world.
Interesting how the solutions are similar all over the world.
Echidne of the snakes
Yeah, it is. And probably much of it brought over from the Old World.
Native Americans didn't do a lot of deep frying.
Time to go out and fix the front steps. The rain dislodged the bricks though they were loose before, probably.
Good luck with the house, Incog. It will be fun and lots of work, too. And String will love the raw fish.
Good luck with the house, Incog. It will be fun and lots of work, too. And String will love the raw fish.
Echidne of the snakes
OK, I'll probably be dropping off from posting as much as I have in the past couple of years, at least during the day. I have tons of work to help with it there. Just writing it's "daunting" doesn't nearly describe it.
It's not like it's falling apart. The place is solid. The appraiser said the place should have been appraised at half a million, and that's huge for Shreveport. The heirs orginally asked for $380,000 but didn't want to fool with it and didn't care and settled for $250,000. It's impossible to describe what an amazing place it is.
We have got to stop playing catch-up and start getting out in front of the curve.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, and I wouldn't even be particularly worried about these humbugs if it weren't for two things. 1. The Voting machines and 2. The media.
My first suggestion is that there has to be a way to demonstrate fraud *if it exists* The problem is that there is no known non-circumstantial way to prove that it does or it doesn't exist. Part of the problem is that large segments of our population don't bother to vote at all. That 45% of the population that doesn't vote affects the possibility for electoral fraud in a profound way. If you have total control of the process, you can always claim that there was more or less turnout.
Some have suggested that the only way to prove electoral fraud is to have the numbers prove to be so awful that they have to be false. But if you can manipulate the numbers, you can always make the margins "less awful". Some have suggested that the voting machines have been rigged in such a way that the republicans will almost always win the close races. In fact, Bush won 9 of the 10 most closely contested races in the 2004 elections. Even thought statisticians can prove this to be a near statistical impossibility, it is still not proof of vote fraud.
At this point, this is the only thing that makes sense to me. Talk about vote fraud, to your neighbors, friends and family, and be ready to predict how it will happen and call them on it when it does. Be ready for them to regard you as insane. But be calm and rational when you explain what is going on. And don't change your tune until things get better.
As for the media, get ready to replace them by talking to your neighbors, friends and family, they are mostly worthless to us now.
"...mother of Jesus can this be true and known but just ignored?"
Along with many other things, yes.
AS long as we're talking conspiracy theories, mine is that there was a systematic and orchestrated effort for republican voters to seek out exit pollsters and report that they had voted for Kerry to throw off the results. Maybe even for pre-election polls as well.
Sounds crazy and something that pervasive could not be kept quiet; but honestly, I have not really heard any more plausible explanations.
Most of us have agreed that our candidate and our campaign sucked; even though we worked our asses off.
It's easy to say let's learn from that and don't repeat the mistakes, but, meanwhile, the Fourth Reich takes the country into the dumper. My dream is that we had a mulligan back to June, 2004 with a chance to redo.
Two words people > Paper ballot. and without there is NO such FREEDOM
Without it, nobody knows anything and there isn't any proof of anything.
And remember, it was that bitch Hillary Clinton who tried the hardest to keep that paper ballot from being a reality in 2004.
Hillary didn't want a paper ballot until 2006, and because Hillary fought so hard against such a measure - you Dems may NEVER see a paper ballot ever.
This is why there is NO WAY that I'm ever going to vote for that bitch Hillary.
The party of Clinton is every bit as corrupt as party of Bush and a vote for Hillary is same as a vote for Bush. Both presidents LIED to us about this war and both them are still lying to us about this war.
I worked hard in Oregon to get Kerry elected (Dean would have been my choice). Many progressives here in Portland get angry with me when I won't scream that the election was stolen with them. With all of the evidence being gathered it is probably true that the election was stolen. However, even the reliable exit polls that our side keeps pointing to says that Kerry defeated the worst and most dangerous president this nation has ever seen by a mere 3%. That is a giganctic disgrace for the whole nation. The election could not have been stolen if the margin was 15 or 20% which it damn well should have been.
That tells me that this fucked up nation deserves the wrath of the world. We deserve the idiot that we have now as our leader and we deserve to lose our position as Urtle the turtle of the world.
After the neo-cons completely destroy the economy maybe, just maybe, people will then wake up and we'll usher in a progressive era in the next decade and we'll all get a new deal.
I am all for demanding verifiable election results but until our fellow brain dead citizens wake up it is not going to happen.
There is a saying in the Arab world, "Before things can get better they will have to get a lot worse." This fat happy nation living on a sea of unsustainable debt and driving SUV's while bitching about the cost of gas needs to get kicked real hard in the nuts to wake up. That day is fast approaching.
I believe that something went wrong in Ohio, but not in any other states, although I always have a suspicion about Florida. I don't think anything went wrong in a state like New Mexico, though, even though it went Democrat in 2000 and 1996.
Do these idiots who vote for Bush who have their heads shoved up their asses actually think the world likes our asshole president? Because the world doesn't, and it's getting harder every day to live with that notion because of Bush.
Has anyone pointed out that Mark Crispin Miller's parents published this book? I think that's groovy, but the center and the right could easily use that fact to militate for dismissal of its points.
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