I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Does anybody really care who's first?
Really?
being frist is important though...
no reason Krugman *should* put up with cheap shots like that from Okrent
Have at it and enjoy thy firstness as thou wisheth.
Eh I liked Okrent while he was talking baseball, but my money is on Krugman to whup his ass big time.
Frith!
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wtlodge--sucker's bet. Okrent made a serious miscalculation when he took on the professor.
No one said it? I will: FUCK BUSH
"wtlodge--sucker's bet"
Yep. And it will be fun to watch, won't it?
Okrent is toast.
Canteen boy on SNL...
Some people just don't know when to quit, eh?
Okrent's such a dumbass.
Thank you DWD. I second the thought -
Fuck Bush!
Wtlodge--it will rapidly become apparent that Dr. Krugman can do math and Mr. Okrent cannot. Within, say, the first 15 seconds.
Cue the trolls.Theres no way they can pass this thread up.
"Fuck Bush"
"I'm especially glad the children were here to hear this. Not only was it authentic ......"
smalfish -- Bring 'em on! I can ignore with the best!
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This is the equivalent of
Leonard versus Duran.
Duran Duran.
Those were some great fights!
I hate America because all the kids in school would beat me up and the whores would laugh at my 1.75" erect micro-dick.
"I hate America because all the kids in school would beat me up and the whores would laugh at my 1.75" erect micro-dick."
Escellent Lush Rimjob impression
This is the equivalent of
Leonard versus Duran.
Surely you don't expect a "no mas!" from Low-Rent? These assholes don't admit defeat. If he were standing in a puddle of his own piss, he wouldn't admit defeet were wet...
Exhibit A
I hate America because all the kids in school would beat me up and the whores would laugh at my 1.75" erect micro-dick.
Cmon troll,whats your take?You want to suck ol danny boi off,you know you do.
We wont tell anyone if you say yes.
Well instead of waiting for the trolls you could clikc on the link and read what some of the people said in their letters to Okrent.
"the only question is, Is the Times liberal or ultra-liberal? The latter is correct."" And in the end, you signed off with style, class and wisdom.""Thank you for your great contribution." and on it goes.
Hey I bet Okrent is a nice fella - really. I also bet he really did have a tough job. However, he remains full of shit.
When discussing economics, Krugman should be required to cite every number related to the ecomony, then make entirely objective sense of them on our opinion page. Anything less is selective partisanship, and below the standards of the NYT
I hate America because all the kids in school would beat me up and the whores would laugh at my 1.75" erect micro-dick.
W? Is that you?
Okrent is a fool. He's already humiliated himself with that magnificent opus, why keep rehashing it?
What's laughable is how this listing of the letters only posts letters favorable to job Okrent has done -- except for Krugman's challange & 1 letter claiming the Times is ultra-right. Okrent seems to be trying to "blog" by posting letters but doesn't quite get it by editing the letters to only publish those favorable towards him.
Does he really think those reading the letters are so stupid?
Okrent is a petty sonofabitch. I remember what he did to that reader who sent Nagourney an admittedly nasty private email last year. (He published the guy's name and city--despite repeated pleas from the letter writer to not do so). The poor guy--and his family-- got a string of harassing phone calls and emails from a bunch of cowards on the Right who took their cue from Okrent. Scared the guy's kids. Which is exactly what Okrent wanted. Sonofabitch. I'll be cheering when Krugman wipes the floor with Okrent's ass.
Two full web pages of letters - most of them kissing Okrent's ass?
He got to edit the letters section this week, didn't he?
"Anything less is selective partisanship, and below the standards of the NYT"
NYT - the home I believe of Judith "I was fucking right" Miller?
This is what pisses me off - Krugman has to cite but Miller doesn't?
When I've read krugman he gives enough information so I usually can find the source. I admit he should try to give sources to the paper - why not it's good scholarship. I wouldn't mind that. Hey maybe if Okrent had asked Miller for her sources her nonsense would never have made the paper.
Had I heard Okrent Bitching about Miller helping Bush lie us into a war I'd have more respect for him as the impartial protector of New York Times readers. I didn't. Gee - why is that?
Oh I forgot - supporting Bush isn't partisan - it's American (FUCK YEAH)!
SNL best of Alec B
Schweaty Balls bit is on
Stop talking about your penises.
There are ladies lurking, and why don't the trolls at this blog know how to debate?
"While it's true that, unlike the foreign correspondents Dexter Filkins and Steven Erlanger, you don't actually face the possibility every day of being shot in the line of work, the public editor has a near-impossible job."
i can't believe a person actually wrote that...
4truth--I'm totally tired of hearing Okrent whine. It's all he's done from the start.
It will be interesting to see Byron Calame's take, if he has one. He inherited a pile of dogshit left by Okrent, and his response may show what he's made of.
Krugman: believable, citable, has creds.
Okrent: self-serving asshole.
What else is new....??
Sonofabitch. I'll be cheering when Krugman wipes the floor with Okrent's ass.
nwgal | Email | Homepage | 05.29.05 - 12:22 am | #
I'll be cheering, there, right along with you!
PK does not take such charges lightly.
Okrent is going to rue the day that he decided to pretend that he understood economic data.
"I'll be cheering when Krugman wipes the floor with Okrent's ass."
It will be a very short debate.
I don't know Okrent is a mighty fat ass, Paul Krugman isn't really that big of a guy, it may take him longer than you think to wipe the floor....
PK does not take such charges lightly.
Okrent is going to rue the day that he decided to pretend that he understood economic data.
def
def, word!!
When I met Okrent years ago, he was a well-regarded book editor and a very respected baseball savant. Taking on the Times ombudsman job seems to me to be one of the dumbest career moves since Colin Powell decided to be Bush's Secretary of State. I wouldn't want to carry the analogy too far (as far as I know, no Sulzberger is as blindingly dumb as your average Bush), but in both cases they sure fucked up their reputations.
If brains were muscles, Krugman would be a WWF wrestler, and Okrent would be the proverbial 98 lb. weakling.
"Don't harm me!"
Okay, really gotta run this time, but thanks for engaging me, you engagers, you! 
It's getting past my bedtime, and Curly will need 15 minutes of separation anxiety treatment before I schnooze...
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Okay, predict the biggest gaffe Okrent will make. I say he mentions Luskin.
Oh, almost forgot -- Sarah Deere -- I did a little riff on WinMediaPlayer at the end of the last thread which may help. Let me know!
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Okrent defense: But I said Safire lied about the Hussein/Al queda link in the same article.
"I don't know Okrent is a mighty fat ass, Paul Krugman isn't really that big of a guy, it may take him longer than you think to wipe the floor...."
foo 05.29.05 - 12:31 am
Baseball bat. Or facts. Whichever...
nitey nite jeffy
Night, Jeffraham. Pet Curly pour moi.
jeffraham I saw that, Will try tomorrow, I have made a point of doing NOTHING AT ALL all day long
Willbe responsible, responsive, etc tomorrow.
(It's, as we all know.... "another day")
Paul Krugman is an economist and professor who makes his "real" living by numbers. To claim he "fudges" his numbers is to attack his reputation as a professional. It is the equivalent of alleging a surgeon is incompetent at anatomy, a lawyer unversed in the law.
It is tantamount to slander. And to do so the way Okrent did it is childish, churlish, cowardly, and inesxcusable. What truly amazes me is that the NYT published the column without forcing Okrent to be specific (he was vague to the point of vacuity) or allowing Krugman an immediate rebuttal just below the column.
Krugman deserves more than the opportunity to "address this matter further on the Public Editor's Web Journal." He deserves a full retraction and apology from Okrent, or a solid basis for the charges, with opportunity for rebuttal by Krugman on the same page at the same time.
RMJ--while I doubt Princeton will pay Okrent much mind, it is true that if you're a prof, all you have is your rep. If you can't trade on it, you're royally screwed.
But... Okrent *said* he was just impersonating an opinion columnist, so it's just fine! And look how well it proves his point! Brilliant!
Wanker.
Rmj, fully and completely agreed. You have there an excellent letter to the editor, please! send it along to the NYT. It's ready to go!
Sallyh--it's not "real" damage, not to Krugman, but it should be treated as such, regardless. Especially when the paper you write for allows such baseless and unfounded (Okrent has yet to publicly give a basis for his charges) complaint allows its publication.
The NYT didn't think: gee, we should let Paul and Maureen, and even Bill, know? Maybe they have a response?
Outrageous. They wouldn't do that to a politician, but their own employees? Okrent, after all, is not offering opinions at that point; he's stating it as fact, as what he, the Public Editor, had to put up with.
Publishing it in the first place is inexcusable.
Sallyh--it's not "real" damage, not to Krugman, but it should be treated as such, regardless.
It's slander whether or not anyone believes it, right?
Eli--it is slander, IMHO, but proving damages would be next to impossible. It doesn't quite rise to slander per se, which would mean damages were implied (no showing of actual damages necessary), so it's not a legal case worth pursuing.
But as a professional economist and Princeton professor, and as a regular columnist for the NYT, Krugman deserves much better than he got from the NYT editors. Were I him, I'd be telling them to find someone else for their Op-Ed page.
To my ever lasting annoyance, I started the whole "frist" thing. But I started with "frist" and it later mutated to what it is now.
rather, I started with "first."
Um, I think "first" was started over at /.
yes, it is, in fact, slander.
God, I hate living in the Bush Years.
(As I hated living in the Raygun years, and the Nixon Years).
This is not to say the dems elected and having served in the interim yrs were 100% better. They were not. But at least it wasn't 100% destroy/destroy/crush/annihialate all the goddamned time.
We actually had some constructive moments, when we built up rather than tore down.
Lord, have mercy, was that refreshing!!!!
But what if Okrent is now boning up for his debate via a conference call with Donny Luskin and Mickey Kaus and Bill O'Reilly?
Krugman is doomed 
And then moved over to fark. and many years later, the "first" virus jumped here.
OH this is going to be fun!
Okrent has NO IDEA of how seriously Krugman can throw shade!
Rip his fucking throat out, Paul!
First of all, wouldn't writing be libel not slander? And you'd have to prove Okrent knowingly lied. Any competent defense lawyer would make the jury read Okrent's columns and ask "Isn't it plausible my client is too stupid to know what he was talking about?"
Krugman deserves much better than he got from the NYT editors. Were I him, I'd be telling them to find someone else for their Op-Ed page.
Rmj, Wandering Aengus |
Absolutely NOT. He needs to be there to hang in there and be the hair in their shirt.
We libs can't just get all princess-and-the-pea miffed, pick up our toys and go home every time things get rough. We better learn to stand the-to-toe with these SOBs and make our points. No kidding.
David E--it was fun to listen to Krugman take out Michael Tanner on 'Fresh Air' one day. Krugman didn't even have to lift a finger to decimate the Cato Institute liar.
Krugman is doomed
Doomed to rip Okrent's tiny testicles from his body and shove them down his throat?
Yeppers.
Isn't it plausible my client is too stupid to know what he was talking about?"
Draco"
HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Sarah--as a respected academic, if Krugman bailed, it would not be simply a matter of taking his toys and going home. It's a little more serious than that, and believe me, he'd have a lot of ammo before he moved on.
Sallyh, I would never expect Krugman to bail, what have I said (and forgive me, I have imbibed)that has implied that???
I am a major Krugman fan. I think Okrent is a completely asshat.
SD
Paul rules. Fuck the haters
Sarah--Editor and Publisher seems to think so, too
OT, because I'm sick to death of even thinking about Daniel Fucking Okrent....
Venezuela accuses US of new destabilization campaign
Meanwhile, the United States also instigated Venezuela's military to rise against the government, backing it with media propaganda and financing, said Rangel, who described Washington as a "terror exporter."
Central--shit, are there any governments left that we don't plan on fucking over?
Sallyh,
No.
Unless they haven't got the gojuice.
Christ on a salt bagel, I think we need cake. Badly.
Didn't Okrent specifically name Luskin as someone he had gotten to know in the public editor job? Or was it that Luskin praised Okrent for listening to his criticisms? I can't remember; it was one or the other. But there's some kind of tie between the two, and that was the first thing that sprang to my mind when I saw that offhand swipe in the farewell column.
Okrent is just one of many proofs that Krugman is slumming, writing for that chicken-shit, cage-lining, right-wing, soul-stealing rag. Paul, and we, deserve much better. Even the old NYT wasn't really the Times we've been told about. It's a symbol of the establishment, and reflects the establishment. Now, take a look at the Establishment. Need a barf bag?
luis posada....
now, there is the string on the tampon. pull it and watch the blood flow.
a bush family retainer since the 1950's. probably a member of the bushit-assembled assassination team that exterminated as many of the kennedy's as they could eliminate.
and surely a bushit-operated assassin. from multiple attempts on fidel. to being involved in those other hits..torrijos of panama; rene schneider, carlos prats of chile; and who knows how many others who were unwilling to suck the bushies' dicks, kowtow to the evil empire.
this is one of the gangsters that reveal the lie that is the bushit posture on anti-terrorism. it is the bushits and the united states that are the world's terrorists.
and on this memorial day weekend, never forget that it is those fools who doff the uniforms and kneel to the monsters running this country who are our real enemies. the gangsters couldn't effect their murdering unless the staunch and leal citizens of this country acquiesced.
if you think this too strong a sentiment, just reflect upon this. several days ago, there were demonstrations in houston concerning the halliburton annual stockholder meeting. you didn't see any coverage of the houston police dept[cossacks] riding down the peaceful demonstrators did you?
those who were there know who the enemies of freedom were and are. and they wear these hpd uniforms.
and then you must consider the mayor of houston who has manipulated his press very well. bill white. in the same guard unit as george walker bush. says he is a democrat. ran as a democrat. won as a democrat. but quite frankly, he is just another fascist bastid.
oddly enough, ralph nader got it so accurately. most of the time, republicans = democrats. and vice versa.
death to all fascists. hah. hah. hah.
I was on the phone most of the evening with a friend that is an RN, and she called to urge me to stock up on canned goods and water in anticipation of the Avian flu. She's writing a paper on the subject, and she's terrified.
FWIW, she's not prone to wearing tinfoil hats.
Whoever could'nt see this comming, is not very attentive.
Shut bases could get nuclear waste
Closed military bases could become repositories for nuclear waste under a little-noticed section of a spending bill that was passed by the House this week, exacerbating the fears of local lawmakers who are fighting the scheduled closure of four of New England's biggest bases.
Sallyh...yes! Cake! Now!!! Please...
Central--she's right. We've done models of it, and it looks to be pandemic. The economy will grind to a screeching halt over this.
Going to bed....
Talk to you guys tomorrow......
Sarah--I just mixed up some shortcake biscuits, and I've got fresh whipped cream and strawberries from the strawberry farm.
BushCo logicat its finest:
The main target of the US-financed campaign is Venezuela's state-run petroleum company PDVSA, Rangel said, adding that a second target is the country's poor, to whom the United States is providing assistance.
An alliance of oilmen and the poor: wait til the venezuelans hear how well it"s worked in tecas>
Leonard versus Duran.
Duran Duran.
Attaturk |
More like The greatest meets Raging Bull(shitter).
Sallyh, I'll have, if I may, an extra-large portion!!!
SD
John Avarosis of Americablog is on CSPAN right now.
Thanks, Res.
The main target of the US-financed campaign is Venezuela's state-run petroleum company PDVSA, Rangel said, adding that a second target is the country's poor, to whom the United States is providing assistance.
Slap the cabal in the face,buy citgo gas.
Sarah--0f course. And they'll be up in six minutes. Sometimes, you need it fancy, and sometimes, you just need it fast. We're going for fast here.
I am so disgusted by this cabal.I am ready to emigrate.Too bad thats not a real option as of yet.
Smalfish--wish I could. Not available in LA.
What about my chickens? They are my pets. No Avian Flu please.
Smalfish--wish I could. Not available in LA.
Citgo not in L.A.?
Sallyh, fast is good, this time. I am hungry.
Smalfish--never have seen it. Unocal, Shell, Chevron and Arco BP are about all that's left.
Pandemics. Is it not about chickens now? It is jumping from human to human? You would think Fox would love to be scaring the heck out of us on the terra box
I just mixed up some shortcake biscuits, and I've got fresh whipped cream and strawberries from the strawberry farm.
Oh goody! I just got back from poker night, and am famished.
No Avian Flu please.
I agree,but its not up to us.
Prepare yourselves.May not happen this year,but surley not too far in the future.
What about my chickens?
magnolia,
From what I understand, there's an available vaccine for poultry. When this puppy mutates.....
Your chickens are on their own.
Krugman is handling this correctly, IMHO.
But he wouldn't be out of line to raise one hell of a stink. Does the NYT really thing people are going to pay to get the Op-Ed online so they can read Tierney and Brooks? Krugman has leverage, and I wouldn't be averse to seeing him use it on the NYT editors a bit here.
This is beyond the pale.
NTodd, me first.
NTodd, me first.
Hmph. Fine.
You would think Fox would love to be scaring the heck out of us on the terra box
Nope,wont happen.It will probably just appear out of thin air on our news channels.It is not in the intrest of the cabal to have it come out that theres a pandemic comming.
They would rather have us dead that rise up against them for not doing anything about this in terms of preperation.
But then again.They would rather have us dead.Period.
Somebody give this man some strawberry shortcake so he'll settle down and go to bed.
Hmph. Fine.
Get in line, pokerboy.
NTodd, but you can be second.
RMJ--I'll happily give you strawberry shortcake. But why would you want to leave us? (I keed, I keed.)
Sarah, your extra large serving is ready.
Get in line, pokerboy.
Somebody save me a piece! I'm more tired than hungry at this point, and the dog is annoyed that I've still got lights on. Goddnight/goodmorning. I'll have my cake for breaky.
NTodd--sometimes you have to take turns. Ever heard of that, take turns?
RMJ--I'll happily give you strawberry shortcake. But why would you want to leave us? (I keed, I keed.)
I don't, lovely baker and fish lady.
But it's already Sunday where I am, and I have to get out of bed in the morning.
Bonne nuit, mes amis.
And it's already
NTodd,
Trout says "goodnight" to Cairo.
(He's such a smooth operator)
Magnolia--influenza is one of the few viruses that crosses species. This particular strain is extremely virulent, and there are more infected birds in China than originally anticipated (~2X more at present).
Speaking of countries we'll be taking over soon, I just read that swiftboat scum Jerome Corsi is now the chief spokesman for the Iran Freedom Foundation.
Wonder if the "ragheads" know about his freeper postings?
sallyh...delicious!!!!!!!!!!! Exactly what I needed!!!
Thanks so very much. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm. (licking whipped cream off fingers, having neglected to pick up itensil...)
'Nummers.
SD
Mmm... Strawberry shortcake...
Since the shadowy and mysterious Codename V. is still recovering from vacation, it falls upon me to provide a href="http://multimedium.blogspot.com">synopses of the Sci-Fi creature features this weekend.
Being an ombudsman is hard work.
First they come for the pitbulls and I don't have a pitbull.
Then they come for the chickens. (sounds like science fiction)
Mmm... Strawberry shortcake...
(hrmf)
Since the shadowy and mysterious Codename V. is still recovering from vacation, it falls upon me to provide a synopses of the Sci-Fi creature features this weekend.
influenza is one of the few viruses that crosses species.
What's the proper term for that? Nootropic? It's been bothering me for hours now.
Venezualan chickens of mass destruction are to blame for the pandemic. We are obliged to invade, and guess what--they have oil! The liberation of Benezuela will pay for the liberation of Iraq.
Magnolia--ah, but the chickens are already sick.
Sallyh-do they know if the influenza infects all birds.
Must say, fortified and rejuvenated by sally shortcake, I feel better and can say.....they overreach now, but, at some point, balance tips, as it always does. And the universe rights itself.
This may not be in time for you and me. I hope it is in time for our children and g'children.
he stated it was his opinion- it couldn't be libel
slander would have to establish intent
if he says it and presents nothing to back it up one can omnly assume the implied intent was to do damage to his name and standing, even more so as it applies to his livelihood and career as mentioned in context
he's entitled to his opinion, but putting it in print and getting paid for it is different. unless he waives pay for the piece he is really opening self to a different level of scrutiny and has a standard or minimum to uphold
Okrent, just sign you check over now, and keep running your mouth you pathetic lemming
Zoonotic is the term you're looking for, Central.
Magnolia--potentially, it can, but in many species, as carriers. Ducks carry the virus and don't become ill from it, making it all the easier to transmit it to humans without them being aware of it. The duck population in Asia is huge.
Eli--how is your young lady? Is she visiting this weekend?
Eli--how is your young lady? Is she visiting this weekend?
Pretty good, aside from a mild case of Plague. Just got done with a couple of weeks of hiking and camping and general roaming, and trying to recover her equilibrium.
Your chickens are on their own.
Central Scrutinizer
Chickens are great barbecued with fava beans and a nice Chianti.
Thanks Sallyh,
Google just told me I was a dumbass, and just when I was acknowledging that fact, haloscan ate my confession.
Following Pixie's lead, I blame Eli.
Sallyh-would you have any reason to believe this is overblown or statistics are cooked?
Magnolia--if anything, it's underreported.
Given a forum, Krugman will win decisively... what rationale could be behind Okrent's backhanded attack in the first place? Carelessness, at his level? Impossible to imagine, I would say, if lies weren't our daily fare. I remind myself that the voice of reason hits print and is duly smashed flat every day in this media setting. But Krugman knows that. He has a few tricks up his sleeve that will pertain directly to this challenge, I'll warrant. Still, if his main thrust offends unthinkers' prejudices, he loses at the national level. On which plane, then, does he choose to stand?
Incog-I thought maybe you could hide Francine, Mimi and Ginger in your bathroom till this blows over? They're not any messier than any other chickens.
FTR, statisticians are not tinfoil hat types--if anything, we veer in the opposite direction. The disease clusters of avian influenza that have been seen are very disturbing.
"Following Pixie's lead, I blame Eli."
We all blame Eli.
We all blame Eli.
*I* blame Eli!
Go down on, er, down with Eli!!!
Vaccines for humans and poultry have been developed but then it mutates rapidly. Sounds fishy.
Eli, Monsieur is making up for making me suffer through 'Pretty Woman' earlier. We have the original 'Tremors' on DVD and are now enjoying with our strawberry shortcake.
Magnolia--every year new vaccine has to be developed because influenza is such a mutable virus. It's the reason for its durability.
I love tremors. Well, I love Kevin Bacon.
oh christ on a carrousel. Avian flu, another killer that we have neitrher the resources nor the will to combat. It's misery 100% w/GWB in office.
Not that deaths would not occur under less venal preznits. But, under GWB, we are fucking screwed. None of us here has enough money and/or power to be *worth* saving.
However, I know in my heart and vitals that we will ultimately prevail, until the pendulum swings again. But at least we will right it for a while.
Special thanks to MS Sallyh for her wunnerful cakes, for her wisdom, and her compassion for us all.
Sweet dreams, all.
We have the original 'Tremors' on DVD and ...
You lucky, lucky bastard.
I thought maybe you could hide Francine, Mimi and Ginger in your bathroom till this blows over?
I'm going to build a chicken house with a wire roof, too. Do you get any fresh eggs from yours?
Sallyh-would you have any reason to believe this is overblown or statistics are cooked?
No this is the real deal.
Health officials have been warning the worlds a pandemic was a reality,they just could'nt say when it would happen.
It appears that in China more than 100 people have died this month alone.But if you go and look you wont find that information on any news outlets.Stricly underground is the information these days.
The Chinese,Vietnamese,the Tia government and Koreans are all mum on the subject.Even WHO is in the dark on alot of the information.Yet there is enough public info to make this a legitimate worry.
Magnolia--Tremors has creatures! Ain't life grand?
OK-Sallyh, these mutable viruses. How common are they? Aren't they a new phenomenon?
Night Sarah.
Sleep well.
Point one: most of America don't have any idea.
Point two: can we now accept that Daniel Hackrent's status proves that the NY Times is a corporate paper, not a liberal one?
Smalfish--only reason I got any data at all is because my CDC database password from my old institution was never revoked (nor were any of my database privileges, I'm happy to say.)
Tremors is a very excellent B-movie, or possibly a B-movie tribute.
CDC database password from my old institution was never revoked
Oh wow.You are the Man....uhh,WOman!
Magnolia--nope, been around since the Big Bang. A virus has but one motivation, and that's to survive. Survivability is directional proportional to the capacity to adapt.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
I read I smoke,I am informed.
Incog--your farm sounds wonderful! You're going to have the most fabulous food in the world!
I was thinking of you tonight. I made carne asada on the barbecue. We have some real Mexican grocers in San Fernando, and the homemade sauces are fantastic.
Yet there is enough public info to make this a legitimate worry.
Yeah, it's not a matter of "if" but "when".
You can get hens to start laying without a rooster by just building a box with some straw in it, then put a couple of eggs from the store, and they'll start laying eggs with them.
Smalfish--my permissions don't allow me to get to certain areas, but apparently along with my email and library accounts, all my database logins are still alive and well.
Central--current models would predict ~18 mos, based on available data (which is extremely incomplete, but does not bear ignoring.)
Incog-I get the best tasting fresh eggs.
I have 3 buff orpingtons. They are the color of butterscotch. Ginger, lays teeneys. She is the biggest chicken, has one reddish brown eye and one green one but can't get the egg thing right. The size of her eggs vary, but never full size and they never have a yolk.
The one she laid today was a very small egg, with a smaller egg inside that one. She has a sweet docile personality.
I get two eggs a day during the warmer months. Usually my dog gets one and I put one in my smoothie.
Smalfish--I also read, I also smoke, and I also learn so much from everyone here.
Incog,
Yeah, but get a rooster anyways. Just remember to collect the eggs everyday.
..current models would predict ~18 mos...
That's what my friend said.
Chickens?
I need to start spending more time here again. Lately it seems I never have a clue and am terrified to ask for fear of the response.
Lately it seems I never have a clue and am terrified to ask for fear of the response.
So what... are you chicken?
There a website called the chickencoop, I think, that is hosted by a guy who answers every question you can think of about chickens.
There are chickens that roost in trees. Leghorns, i think.
There are chickens that lay blue eggs, and banties of course.
If bird flu is'nt enough,maybe this will be enough to raise the hair on the back of your neck
The anthrax vaccine given to service members requires six doses plus an annual booster shot. Airola had taken the shot before, so the slight lightheadedness she felt after leaving the doctor’s office was nothing for her to get worked up over. The next day, though, while serving as honor guard at a funeral, she nearly passed out. She spent the rest of the week in bed, suffering from an immobilizing combination of muscle weakness, abdominal cramping, sore joints, and vertigo.
The military and the government hate our troops.
But to those testifying before the subcommittee, it was not an entirely sufficient catalyst. What is urgently needed, they insisted, is a set of extensive product-liability protections that would shield companies that manufacturer bioterrorism countermeasures -- specifically, vaccines -- from punitive lawsuits.
Why do I bother reading the news?I get so perturbed by accounts that should make any american raise their face to the moon and howl,but none do.
Central--is your pal a public health nurse? They're generally well trained in following disease vectors. I was trained by a pharmacologist, so I'm not great in the area of epidemiology, but I understand the models reasonably well.
EkCenTrik--why do you feel you don't have a clue? You easily have more of a clue than 95 percent of the US public. And certainly more of one than I do.
Central Scrutinizer
Yes, and thank you for inquiring. Can you blame me, I see Incog discussing raising chickens with SallyH and Eli is being blamed for something again and he is talking about Tremors. And then there is the mutable viruses and pandemics theme in there as well.
On the other hand, it does seem like a typical Atrian thread.
Smalfish--the anthrax vaccine was never safety tested in conventional premarketing trials. Our soldiers, sailors and Marines are all guinea pigs.
The NYT is, unfortunately, no longer the respectable newspaper it once was. A person of PK's stature, intelligence and ability should move to the Washington Post. Okrent should look for work at Fox News where he will be more compatible considering the IQ level and journalistic ethics of their employees.
EkCenTrik--we're predictably unpredictable
Sallyh
Actually on a serious note, within the environs of here, not the world, I do frequently feel a bit clueless by exposure to many of the fine and well informed folks here, including yourself. But I hang in there listen, put my two cents in (about what it is worth) and expand my brain cells a bit more each time.
Our soldiers, sailors and Marines are all guinea pigs.
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All the more reason for pretend wmd.
--is your pal a public health nurse?
Yes, she works at a local University and is working on her Masters degree. She's more than concerned about this, and having known her for 20 some years, I have no reason to doubt her opinions on this matter.
EkCenTrik--at the current rates of inflation, I think my opinions are worth ~.000002
What is most disturbing about the avian flu is that there will be in all likelihood no preparations made by the US government whatsoever. The social and economic fallout will be tremendous.
Just imagine if no one is able to attend work or school for a week in the US, and consider the effect.
Just asking, but there have been reports on a certain radio program I frequent, of many microbiologists dying or disappearing under suspicious circumstances.
EkCenTriK,
Yeah, you miss a coupla days and it takes a while to catch up.
I'm bustin' my ass here to do just that.
Ya'll sell yourselves short.Dont do it.Your special in your own right.
Magnolia--yes. And getting information has been extraordinarily difficult. (You wouldn't believe the shit that flies around on medlistservs.)
krugman vs. okrent
the most lopsided match since juan cole vs. jonah goldberg
Is the guy on Cspan the model for John Redcorn?
Renato--Krugman can phone in his performance and still beat Okrent exerting himself with everything he's got.
Wassup everyone?
I see someone was namestealing me earlier.
What an asshat.
4Legs--I made strawberry shortcake tonight. Want some, do you?
CS
I had to back off, I still lurk quite a bit, but I run in and out, real time life has been interrupting things here lately. But I also realized I had spent a three day weekend almost glued to the chair and had to break stride for a bit.
And I also noticed most of my comments come off to me as sort of jingoistic rants. I need a bit of recycling I guess.
And dang if these folks don't find new things to talk about. Cramming to catch up is a real pain.
And Sally, your opinions and comments are worth far more than your perceived value.
I see someone was namestealing me earlier.
OmiGOD!
That wasn't you?!!
CS I just tuned in, I see your point.
The way illness is characterized by this most pervertedly Calvinistic regime, it would be their assumption that those who became ill would somehow deserve their fate. Illness, instead of being treated as sets of naturalistic phenomena, are now being looked upon as individual moral failure.
At times, I think 3/4 the posters are namestealers.
Okrent is a whiny-ass titty-baby.
Holy shit, he spent the last year complaining about how tough his job was and trashing the readers who dared to complain.
I hope Krugman beats the shit out of him in print.
The NYtimes should be ashamed of themselves for printing Okrent's bullshit.
Magnolia--what's truly shameful is that many, many medicines are tested on soldiers and veterans. A lot of clinical testing goes on in VA hospitals, and informed consent is, to say the least, sketchy.
That is namestealers and trolls.
Magnolia--there have been times such as that. However, most everyone knows when it's the genuine article or a namestealer.
Me, I think I just stole my own name, so if you see me saying things that are typical of my patter, well it might not really be a name stealer being me, but me being me, so just thought I would forewarn everyone.
Sally
I think it is a way for them to remove their responsibility to feel compassion or guilt. By blaming the patient, they begin to absolve themselves of any further actions. I imagine when they cannot pull that stunt, they have a mess of internal conflicts going on. Except for the truly sociopathic ones.
sally, I am actually having brownies and vanilla ice cream.
Want some?
4Leggers--sure!
EkCenTrik--well, we do have a sociopath in charge at the WH.
Me, I think I just stole my own name...
I thought I was the only one who did that!
I can't think straight anymore so,
Goodnight Moonbatters...
Something has been puzzling me about this nyt change. A young man on another forum I go to said he learned on Fox news that the Fox empire had purchased the NYT. Does anyone know if that could make sense?
I tried to google but couldn't get anything?
Nite CS
Night Central!
g'nite central scrut.
I think I will kick off myself and head for bed.
Nite folks.
4Leggers--did you catch Friday Samblogging? NTodd's gone to bed--we could make the grab now
All right all right all right. Enough is enough. I have one pointed question for the New York Times--- WHAT the hell is the government threatening you with to keep you under thrall? What is it? Do they have Okrent's mother under house arrest? Did they threaten to cut off his lipitor?
I will NEVER understand why NYT caved in to the underworld.
Nite Mary Ellen.
Vaccines for humans and poultry have been developed but then it mutates rapidly. Sounds fishy.
That would be evolution, and everyone knows that evolution doesn't exist because the Rethuglicans said so, and anyone who disagrees....can go and die of a mutated flu virus...
4Leggers--did you catch Friday Samblogging? NTodd's gone to bed--we could make the grab now
I just saw it.
Yesterday I was busy checking out new TVs on these here internets.
Still haven't bought a Tv. I decided to wait until the painters come next week.
Back to the avian flu- at least my institution takes these things seriously. Generally they offer fllu shots cheap to all faculty, staff and students. If it was a serious strain I'll bet they'd require it. They don't really fuck around much.
Vaccines for humans and poultry have been developed but then it mutates rapidly.
All viruses mutate rapidly. That's why we all get the flu each year- it's always a little bit different.
When the mutation is large, then lots of people die. Fortunately those large mutations don't happen very often. Unfortunately the bird flu is one that we're not prepared for and will kill a bunch of people if it really gets out there.
You know, this Krugman thing is really pissing me off.
Who the fuck does the times think they are?
why can't we ask scotty - wtf-the guy with the answers
I mean ask scotty about what preparations we are making for the avian flu.
Generally they offer fllu shots cheap to all faculty, staff and students.
I just can't believe the Republicans would ever have a shortage of cheap shots.
Having heard about the microbiologist disappearances over a year ago, it indeed seems disturbing.
I read a blog somewhere, forgive me for forgetting where, but the writer hypothesized that the biologists were saying no to the powers that be. The writer also conjectured that the biologists may have been asked to find pathogens that were race-specific in their targets.
Sci-fi, yes, but given the level of hate we're experiencing from the Bushites, it would be no surprise if they were looking into such a project.
I hope the Krugmeister uses hickory wood for the rotisserie.
As for the skewer, a maple baseball bat would be nice.
oh god-well I hear heaven is a much nicer place-although I do kindda like it here.
Oh I wish i had been born a reptilian so i wouldn't have to die.
Lotsa vitamin C
I'll pay an admission for this one.
Pitchforks and Torches
thanks PT
I'll pay an admission for this one.
freelixir
50 cents please
Experts say the Hubbert Oil Peak is here, today.
Avian flu?
Guess what. The Great Die Off will be tons worse. Especially if oil mad America starts WWIII. And this is what it is all about: nuclear war and oil. We have the nukes and we want the oil.
And all the stupid things going on in America today are just so much gloss because we want to live in la la land even as our rulers scream for the world to disarm so we can invade them all.
And the accounts deficit for America this year is going to be a nasty trillion+ dollars. This is our deficit with the planet. We can't run a trillion dollar deficit for more than five years.
This means we will be bankrupt in 2010.
From the WaPo..
The Bush administration has launched a high-level internal review of its efforts to battle international terrorism, aimed at moving away from a policy that has stressed efforts to capture and kill al Qaeda leaders since Sept. 11, 2001, and toward what a senior official called a broader "strategy against violent extremism."
The shift is meant to recognize the transformation of al Qaeda over the past three years into a far more amorphous, diffuse and difficult-to-target organization than the group that struck the United States in 2001.
2 years to train in Iraq against our soldiers, bitches!
See ya later Bin Laden, you lucky sumbitch!
OK, Now I'm REALLY leaving.
christ, bet danny boy was sending desperate emails to Mr. Trend Macrolytics begging for help.
wanker
Americans want answers
Congress sends letters that aren't answered
Scotty McClellen is the wall that we have to tear down to get the answers from the stupidest sociopath on earth in the WH
And we vote by computers.
gimme a break
Most people want to evade these harsh realities. We think, all we have to do is have an election and voila!
All will be well. It is too late for that. Now we should be pushing for complete retrofiting of America to work with the future no oil culture. We have to do so much and now the window of opportunity is sliding very rapidly close.
The games our government is playing is so sad to watch. One and only one Congressman stood up a mere month ago and for the first time, uttered the words "Hubbert Oil Peak". He pleaded for action concerning this matter. Just discuss it, he said to an empty chamber.
Virtually no press reported this speech. There were no editorials in any papers of note.
Now it is here, officially. As my blog points out tonight.
This is all so sad. So many people, fat today, are going to starve to death in the future. Our economy will collapse. Our desperation for the declining oil, our attempts at recovering our money from Saudi Arabia will bring WWIII.
Playing games is OK. But it won't save anyone. And the coming storm...look at Africa today. This is us tomorrow. The Dafur stuff in Sudan: men on horseback using primative weapons driving off people from their wretched villages and farms, an old old story told a million times for the last 5,000 years....coming back to life.
into a far more amorphous, diffuse and difficult-to-target organization than the group that struck the United States in 2001.
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Yeah-mankind that uses up "their" resources
Elaine-what congressman?
Elaine-did you just wake up?
who owns the nyt?
http://www.corporate-ir.net/irey...&
item_id=713601
Perusing the thread, I gather that Danny-boy is relying on Don Luskin's [he and his one semester at Yale] insight and analysis in the "de-bunking" of Paul Krugman.
I pretty much relate everything in life to a Simpson's episode or scene. Here I'm reminded of the episode where they tell the story of Hamlet, and Moe sides with Ralph. Ralph prepares for his battle with Bart [Hamlet] by stabbing himself. Moe says "Boy did I bet on the wrong horse" . . . Okrent will be uttering this when he gets his clocked clean after Luskin's "ingsight" falls under the weight of its idiocy.
If you want to see chickens au naturel go to the Hawaiian island of Kauai.
A couple of decades ago they had a hurrican that overturned every goddamn chicken coop on the island.
It was raining chickens.
Nowadays, wherever you go you see mother hens with little chicks tucked under their wings.. yes (you giessed it)... crossing the road like there was no tomorrow.
You see roosters facing each other off, but only with feathers, not fighting to the death.
You WILL see chickens fly. Only a few yards, up onto a branch, but hey!, that's chicken flyin' enough for me.
Truly a beautiful sight. Chickens, chickens everywhere, but not a bwaaaaaaarkkk! to drink.
Even if you do not like chickens, go to Kauai. Even for this tired old beach bumb from australia, it's a very, VERY beautiful place.
Bwaaaaaaaaarrrkk!
P.S. Mind the Kauai sharks, DO visit Hanaea Bay and go Kruggers!
Elaine, buy stock in potato futures.
P.P.S. Not white chickens, not brown chickens, but rainbow chickens, just like The Big Guy up there intended them to be. They've regressed to their natural colorations, they've taken to the trees and the valleys and the forests... they're Chickens again, as Nature always designed.
So profits are up but they reduce staff by 190.
Aussie Bob
You sure are in a good mood. My chickens are butterscotch, and I keep all roosters away from them.
I've heard about the wild chickens of Hawaii and actually it sounds pretty cool, but my 3 girls are well behaved.
Rainbow chickens in trees. There is a heaven.
I think Elaine might be right about the future. Neo-medieval only with large parts of the land despoiled and unuseable. The present day population size can't be sustained without relatively cheap fuel. Just preventing the plagues that are sure to be coming requires mechanized transportation.
But what I really wanted to say was that even some of those in the media who I usually respect are making idiots of themselves praising the Okrent boy. The man's parting shot at Krugman, the exposure of that guy's personal information, the lousy job he's done representing the readers. He's a fraud.
Without the supporting examples to back himself up, Okrent has comitted a prime journalistic sin himself. One suspects that he didn't do it because he doesn't have a personal history with Krugman. This was a very personal and cheap shot.
Okrent = coward. Simple as that. If you wait until your coat's on and you're half-way out the door, you've a yellow streak the size of Kansas.
Were I him, I'd be telling them to find someone else for their Op-Ed page.
If I were him, I'd suspect that's what they were trying to do and deny them the satisfaction of running me off. I suspect that's the case.
They got PK by accident. They wanted him as a dotcommentator and ended up getting a cold eye on imperialism and its discontents. Ooops.
Didn't someone once write that Daniel Okrent was to public editors what Basil Faulty was to hotel owners? Okrent hated the readers just as Basil hated most of his guests. Both sucked up to the rich, the poor. Only Basil is funny and became a cult figure.
Okrent is just a sack of shit.
So this bastard Okrent was feeding the surprisingly inept Donald "stalker" Luskin all along! Which, if that is the case, might explain the "surprisingly" part; Luskin couldn't defend his ludicrous distortions because he hadn't researched them, he was merely reciting them.
I wanted to write a letter:
"Dr. Mr Okrent. I'm tired of your repeat insults directed towards your readers and am frankly glad to see you leave. Good bye, and don't let the door hit you on the way out."
Folk wisdom recommends not bringing a knife to a gun fight. Okrent is effectively bringing a slingshot to a nuclear war.
Speaking of "selective" - how about the NYT for selecting a fucktard like Okrent to be their ombudsman -- oh excuse me "public editor" -- in the first place?
"using the standard data in the standard way"
Yes, but since he wasn't sucking off Bush, it was 'biased.'
Corporate whores like Okrent are simply worried about pleasing their noisiest cutomers. If they're unhappy with the truth, Okrent is unhappy with you.
And round and round it goes.
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