I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Just a Matter of Fact comment.
Whoa.
And Joe Watkins aware and astute follow-up?
WATKINS: Congresswoman Holtzman, what do you think? Do you think that Felt is Deep Throat?
Cause that's OK when Republicans rat out Republicans.
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Well, with the crowd he hung with, who'd be surprised?
Of course he could have asked:
WATKINS: Congresswoman Holtzman, what do you think? Do you think that Felt is lucky to be alive?
How many people did Nixon order killed?
How many people did any of our presidents order killed?
dead, like so many others.
Wait, sorry, it should be
"Do you think that rat bastard Felt is lucky to be alive?"
Of course he didn't end up dead. That was the NIXON administration. Comparatively speaking, he was a GOOD president.
(Isn't that what all the 'wingers are saying?)
And I'm sure if you ask Buchanan et al., a reluctance to murder individuals (as opposed to whole populations) was Nixon's great moral failing as a leader....
Luckily the Bushies have no such silly scruples!
Good morning, moonbats!
As watertiger said below, how much more can I procrastinate before starting laundry....
Wow, nasty conservatives target and intimidate a 92-year-old man with veiled threats to kill him.
The GOPs "Culture of Life" rears its very ugly two heads.
How many people did any of our presidents order killed?
Including foreign civilians?
a grapefruit lobbed over the plate, and the left strikes out looking again.
bj, as you can see, i can procrastinate for a good long time...
How many people did any of our presidents order killed?
David Ehrenstein
George W Bush - 100,000 and counting.
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Well, Nixon probably would have killed him, but Woodward and Bernstein would then have announced that Felt was deep throat and there could have been, back in those days, inconvenient questions. Nowadays, the Republicans would just slime Woodward and Bernstein for somthing silly and irrelevant, but the press would, as they now do, pick it up and amplify it until the issue wasn't whether or not the president ordered Felt killed but whether or not Woodward and Bernstein had parking tickets or something,
If it wasn't for Mark Felt, President Nixon could have killed everyone in Cambodia before the Pol Pot did.
Greets, all. Horrific, innit, how casually the "culture of life" talks about snuffing stoolies?
"WATKINS: Congresswoman Holtzman, what do you think? Do you think that Felt is Deep Throat?"
"Duh... I dunno!"
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Is anyone surprised anymore that these people don't think there are, or should be, limits--legal, moral or any other--on their power, or that they owe obligations to any other human or animal life on the planet?
They must be fought.
Eagleburger sounds like a man who took steps to avoid the crosshairs. Must have worked, so far.
Well, too bad Crossfire is no longer able to hurt america.
Another great Deep Throat RePug spin was that if the Left was to laud Mark Felt as a hero then Linda Tripp should be awarded the same kind of praise. We're doomed!
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Nowadays, the Republicans would just slime Woodward and Bernstein for somthing silly and irrelevant, but the press would, as they now do, pick it up and amplify it until the issue wasn't whether or not the president ordered Felt killed but whether or not Woodward and Bernstein had parking tickets or something,
Hecate
And Rove would go after WaPo and threaten to blow out its kneecaps, at which point the publication would capitulate and issue a "Nevermind!"
Woodward and Bernstein would be fired.
Well, too bad Crossfire is no longer able to hurt america.
and what's all this about Judy Ruffruff leaving CNN? Was watching the teebee at the gym yesterday afternoon, and they had some stupid "Goodbye Judy" show on.
How many people did any of our presidents order killed?
Well, Jeb Bartlett had the Qumari foreign minister killed. Does that count?
Is anyone surprised anymore that these people don't think there are, or should be, limits--legal, moral or any other--on their power, or that they owe obligations to any other human or animal life on the planet?
They must be fought.
ProfWombat
They only need repeated validation like a 52%/48% "mandate", and staged public meetings where they're adored!
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Eagleburger obviosly made the mistake of telling the truth.
Impeach Nixon!
err...
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bj: As watertiger said below, how much more can I procrastinate before starting laundry....
Mine's in the dryer, as I type. Ah, there's nothing like the scent of laundry, freshly dried in a coin-op gas dryer... it reeks of poverty, no? 
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Linda Tripp should be awarded the same kind of praise
Moral relativism, anyone?
They'll keep it up until everything is equal and then nothing will have any significance whatsoever:
"Bush killed 100,00 innocent people? Well, Clinton once squished a cockroach!"
Okay, poorly said, but I've only had 1 cup of coffee this morning and no breakfast as of yet.
JP,
I gotta schlep my laundry down 4 flights of stairs, down the street, and around to the next block to get it done.
and what's all this about Judy Ruffruff leaving CNN?
The wattles on her neck were frightening the children.
"Another great Deep Throat RePug spin was that if the Left was to laud Mark Felt as a hero then Linda Tripp should be awarded the same kind of praise. We're doomed!
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Agent Orange | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 11:25 am | # "
Yes. let's tap about Linda Tripp. The more we discuss how the right ried to bring Clinton down because of a consensual blwo job, the more people will get nostalgic for the good old days of peace and prosperity.
I say we give the old mare a parade, conmplete with dancing cigars, blue-dress-clad marching drag queens, and a giant, leaky balloon efigy of Starr's doughy mug.
It should be a national holiday.
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I gotta schlep my laundry down 4 flights of stairs
We used to have to do that; last year we moved to a building with an elevator and a laundry room!
Ah, big city luxury!
It's the little things in life....
blogwhorage
Japan's largest daily newspaper -circulation a mere 10 million - asks when is a war crime not a war crime
"I gotta schlep my laundry down 4 flights of stairs, down the street, and around to the next block to get it done.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 11:30 am | # "
Is that where the best river rocks are?
watertiger: I gotta schlep my laundry down 4 flights of stairs, down the street, and around to the next block to get it done.
I've got it easy, then -- I just have two half-flights, and less than a block. Plus, a wash is only $0.75, a dry, $0.50.
The bummer is that I have a perfectly good, nearly-new washer and dryer... no hookups in my condo. So, the former host has the w&d now.
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My cable was out last weekend so I was watching old videos and one was All the President's Men. At the end they have the scene where Woodward tell Bradley that Deep Throat says their lives are in danger.
It made me wonder if that wasn't what was on the 18 minute gap...talk of "hitting" someone????
take a moment to look at the number of former c.i.a. directors who have died in canoe accidents in the potomac river or cheasapeake bay. alone.
some folks just have bad luck....
-J.T.
Good morning, moonbats!
Just checking in before I head down to the Grand Rapids Festival of the Arts, the largest all-volunteer festival inthe country.
Sounds to me like Eagleburger's comment is blunt and honest.
Which reminds me... how do you keep cat hair out of laptop keyboards?
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Eagleburger always seemed to me to be relatively sane. Novak continues to burrow deeper in to the slime.
Hey, Vick!
That Troubles Malone sure can sing, can't she?
____league: Eagleburger always seemed to me to be relatively sane. Novak continues to burrow deeper in to the slime.
Did you catch Jon Stewart's rap on Novakula, Buchannon and Liddy, slammin' Felt as a traitor? Oh, it was great fun. I found the video on Crooks & Liars, via des.
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Hey Filks!
Blissing with us?
Tripp = Felt ?
Blowjob = Murderous Lies to War ?
Micheal Moore = Ann Coulter ?
Apple = Orange ?
Repugs sure aren't thinking people.
A couple of days ago, the WSJ (which I usually can't stomach) wrote an editorial suggesting that Felt should have either quit his job at the FBI or confronted Nixon with what he knew ... I wrote to them and basically told them that they are fucking idiots.
I've never understood why the laundry room is directly off the bedroom. That's where you take your clothes off and that's where they're going back to when they're clean. Why are laundry rooms always down in the basement?
Which reminds me... how do you keep cat hair out of laptop keyboards?
You don't. It helps to soak up the V8 juice when you spill it over the keyboard.
Vicki -- still up in the air. I probably won't know until that very week, but I will let you know by then. Biggest consideration is money, with secondary being a medical thing (nothing dire or complex, just time-consuming and uncomfortable) that I have to have done this summer.
"Why are laundry rooms always down in the basement?
Hecate | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 11:39 am |"
to contain catastrophic washer failures.
Vicki sez:
Grand Rapids Festival of the Arts.
Michigan has Arts?
[I keed]
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Why are laundry rooms always down in the basement?
What's a basement?
I've never understood why the laundry room is directly off the bedroom. That's where you take your clothes off and that's where they're going back to when they're clean. Why are laundry rooms always down in the basement?
Hecate
So when a hose bursts or a laundry tub floods it doesn't ruin your carpeting. Kinda' the same reason garage floors are always one step down from the first floor. No oil or gasoline or car wash water gets in the house.
Just sayin'
Funny you should mention laundry. 
Jeffraham,
Tell the cat to get its own computer.
"Which reminds me... how do you keep cat hair out of laptop keyboards?"
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--Jeffraham Prestonian
This isn't very high tech, but I use post-its curled with the sticky side out and slide in between the keys. Gets dust out too.
a laundry tub floods it doesn't ruin your carpeting.
What the hell's carpeting?
Thinking is Unamerican.
My idea is the 18 minute gap in the tapes was Nixon and Haldeman discussing wacking Felt. Too tinfoil??
But it had to be something Really bad if Nixon erased it......
Hecate: I've never understood why the laundry room is directly off the bedroom. That's where you take your clothes off and that's where they're going back to when they're clean. Why are laundry rooms always down in the basement?
When I used to hold a mortgage on a nice little starter home (just a few blocks from where I reside, now), the laundry hookups were in a cubby, right outside the master bedroom suite. Of course, jri has a point about washer failure -- the one and only time I've been in a Wal-Mart to actually buy something in the last ten years was when the supply hose to my washer burst at midnight, and it's tough to get a Wet-Vac anywhere else in GnashVegas at that hour.
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My idea is the 18 minute gap in the tapes was Nixon and Haldeman discussing wacking Felt. Too tinfoil??
But it had to be something Really bad if Nixon erased it......
scout prime |
Wow good guess!
formerrepub: Tell the cat to get its own computer.
He has his own, but... we're talking about second-hand hair, here.
mer: This isn't very high tech, but I use post-its curled with the sticky side out and slide in between the keys. Gets dust out too.
Eloquent! They's some smart mofos, here, fo' sho'.
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I'm sure John Mitchell would have been happy to do it, barehanded.
Jesus - the Nixon alumni association - the fucking Undead...
What's a basement?
When I was looking for a house to buy I wanted a good basement to put a darkroom.
I love the house but the basement is...short.
Also, more space for bookshelves.
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Filk ~
Weekend Pass is $ 67, and paking/camping is $ 13 or $ 17, I think.
I truly hope you can make it ~ both Barndog and I would enjoy meeting you and playing some music with you. However, I understand your concerns, and wish you the best regardless of whether or not you can make it.
It is a gas, though!
I'm sure John Mitchell would have been happy to do it, barehanded.
Ha...Mitchell and Liddy....Murder Incorporated!
Hmmm. I say, hmmm. God, I haven't been up that way in about five years. I'd likely stay at a hotel in Cheboygan, rather than camp -- although I can sleep in the van if need be. I really have to think about this, because I don't have a gig that weekend, and it would be fun.
Hmmm.
What was the followup?
MYOB'
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In Calgary, we had rumpus rooms.... In Phoenix we have a little thing called concrete.... Dark rooms? I could build another little house on the back, maybe. Laundry's in a closet of course, backing on to the kitchen water line. Which is the real reason that laundry rooms tend to be in places like 'basements' - they're as close as possible to the main water lines of the house, mostly because washing machines belt out a whole hell of a lot of water at very high pressure.
Spork_Incident,
Yeah, who'da thunk there were arts in Bland Rapids?
By the way, anyone care to adopt a 16 year old? She's listening to Weezer at full volume and I think my head's about to explode.
June 2002
On tape 342, President Nixon and his chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman are meeting in the old Executive Office Building on June 20, 1972, just three days after the Watergate break-in. As the two men talk, their conversation is suddenly replaced by 18.5 minutes of silence broken only by electronic-sounding clicks and hisses.
The NARA project to recover any speech that may or may not be present on the "18 1/2-Minute Gap" of Watergate tape 342 is expected to take at least 18 months. Over the next 12 months, NARA will conduct an extensive series of tests to evaluate the ability of potential contractors to recover sounds in the erased area without damaging the historic tape.
ron and monica and hal turner's friend and colmes will keep the partisan yellfest alive
By the way, anyone care to adopt a 16 year old? She's listening to Weezer at full volume and I think my head's about to explode.
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 11:54 am
Ooh-whee-ooh, I look just like Buddy Holly... Oh-oh-ohhh, and you're Mary Tyler Mo- *ahem* I mean, dang whippersnappers! Whatever happened to Paul Anka?
"Oh Michael, Presidents and Senators don't have people killed."
Gimlet
Thanks...guess if it was so soon after the break-in it can't be talk of whacking Felt.
Oh well.
Filkertom,
The have day passes available, too. I forget the cost ~ maybe $ 30 or $ 35 each. Camping on the Bliss grounds is ~ well ~ primitive. I plan on doing the hippie stink thing for the weekend because it is what it is ~ limited showers, no electricity, etc.
Great art at that music fest. Better than Hiawatha or Wheatland. Lots of the Harbor Springs and Petoskey artists attend and sell their wares.
I'm bringing a car full of teenagers ~ I'll be looking forward to hooking up some adults after the 4 hour trip! (Interesting how "Mom, can I bring a friend?" has turned into a caravan...)
Ooh-whee-ooh, I look just like Buddy Holly
That was EXACTLY the song...
Vicki -- ahhh. No, if I show up, I'll likely have to stay offsite -- I'm neither that young nor that spry anymore. Bathrooms are our friends.
"Oh Michael, Presidents and Senators don't have people killed."
bcf
Don't ever ask me about my business, bcf.
"Which reminds me... how do you keep cat hair out of laptop keyboards?"
--Jeffraham Prestonian
This is your lucky day my little man. I have right here, today only, just the thing this job requires - A nifty new invention of mine "The hair net for kitties and mature cats" only 19.95
What? Sounds like Republican S.O.P. to me...
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By the way, anyone care to adopt a 16 year old? She's listening to Weezer at full volume and I think my head's about to explode.
I think you are punished enough.
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"Oh Michael, Presidents and Senators don't have people killed."
bcf
Don't ever ask me about my business, bcf.
Mikey C
OK....Kay I'll let you ask this one time....
"Oh Michael, Presidents and Senators don't have people killed."
"Oh. Now who's being naive, Kay?"
OK....Kay I'll let you ask this one time....
Is it true?
Is it true?
Annie Hall
La ti deee
La ti deee
"May their first child be a masculine child."
Judy Woodruff will not be missed. Course they'll probably give all her time to Wolf.
Lawrence Eagleburger is a whacko himself. He named his kids Lawrence, Lawrence, and Lawrence.
I am not making this up.
Judy Woodruff will not be missed.
That's not true. I will miss the one my son refers to as "Mushroom Head."
"May their first child be a masculine child."
It's good to hear from Luca Brazzi.
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Whups! Real life. Gotta go, y'all. Have an excellent day!
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
Out for now.
http://www.alternet.org/story/14399
I saw "Bay" Buchanan on C-Span.
Looks like her brother Pat in drag - NOT an attractive women (as if any on the right are).
Same old BS - railing against illegal immigrants in front of an audience of her fellow fascists.
I guess they call her "Bay" because that's what she does whenever she sees a full moon. Eeeecccch!
Linda Tripp was jealous because Bill Clinton wouldn't let her anywhere near HIS cock.
God, when John Goodman portrayed that cow on SNL, he was prettier than she was.
She's had two major plastic surgeries done on her face - she needs to sue the doctors because it hasn't made any difference.
When Howard Stern found out she was getting married again, he said "To a HUMAN?"
What is it with right wing women? They are all bow wows.
For some reason, now that old Felt has come clean, I can't get too concerned about something from over 30 years ago.
Why are we concerned about Felt possible getting killed then when we have young adult Americans getting killed for a complete pack of lies in Iraq, right now?
On Fox news, they had Liddy on, and he was asked essentially, "Should Woodward and Bernstein have feared for their lives at the time?" To which Liddy replied "No, definitely not, because if anyone had gotten that order, it would have been me, and I didn't get that order."
Head shot. If only they would have had enough will.
I have heard that Bush would like to nuke the bejeezus out of Iran. I guess it is another 'culture of life' thing.
I was amazed when I heard this as Eagleburger never commits himself so much in what I remember. It just more thoroughly convinces me of how dangerous that administration was and how we can multiply that 100 times about the one we are mired in now.
Nixon leaves jewbashing comments on, edits something else... hmmm.
Unless he discussed the 'Kissinger solution' as a way to shift blame for policy decisions...
What was Eagleburger thinking. Remember, this all happened because these guys couldn't even carry off a "second rate burglary." You have to laugh. Who woulda dunim in? G Gordon?
"For some reason, now that old Felt has come clean, I can't get too concerned about something from over 30 years ago.
Why are we concerned about Felt possible getting killed then when we have young adult Americans getting killed for a complete pack of lies in Iraq, right now?
boilerman10"
I love how the powers that be decided they're not going to prosecute.
Gonzalez says it "was a long time ago."
Hell, they have young Iraqis to torture.
As to murder being an option, it appears murdering a hundred or so in an airline crash is precedented, for the right situation (cf: E. Howard Hunt's wife Dorothy's death by commercial airline crash in Chicago, where the crash site was immediately taken control by (literally) many dozens of FBI agents who had to have been en route some time before to be there in extremely large numbers before other authorities, and with Nixon swiftly appointing one of the plumbers, Emil Krogh as head of the FAA to handle the later investigation).
G. Gordon Liddy himself jokingly said he was going to kill his boss (who didn't take it as a joke), seriously suggested Jack Anderson be assassinated and volunteered for the job, and then offered to go to a corner certain to be himself assassinated to aid the coverup. Seems Liddy, a student of Hoover's as an FBI agent, and assorted Germans, thought this a standard option of the state.
Even though I was moderately aware when this all was going down (a college sophomore, war protestor, and an avid consumer of anything anti-Nixon), I didn't know that Watergate created a climate of fear in official Washington. Jim Hougan's book 'Secret Agenda' about those days strongly makes that case, and cites the 'heart attack' deaths of two associates of Jim McCord employed where he worked ('ex'-CIA, he had set up a private contracting shop for black bag operations) within a couple of days apart as some of what official Washington knew that scared them so much. Additionally, with few thinking it a coincidence, Hoover himself died 'by heart attack,' his body unautopsied and quickly cremated (iirc), and his extensive private blackmail files seized.
As to what Nixon was discussing that was so hot, there are clues. When Haldeman went to Helms to have the CIA wave off the FBI, Nixon instructed him to say that the president fears this would re-open old scabs of the Bay of Pigs, dark things the agency should prefer remain buried. Helms heatedly yelled he had nothing to worry about concerning the Bay of Pigs, gripping the arm rests of his chair so hard his knuckles turned white. But he shortly reversed himself with acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray-- he had already told him there were no national security issues, to go ahead with the probe, and after Nixon's warning, he told Gray to back off.
Haldeman explained in his memoir 'Witness to Power' that he later figured out that whenever Nixon spoke of 'the Bay of Pigs thing' he was referring to the JFK assassination.
The connection to the 18-1/2 minute gap was a 'follow the money' lead that potentially tied those supplying the funds used for paying the millions in hush money to those funding JFK's assassination. The slush fund held in Mexico had been funded and originated with 'the Texans' and Mossbacher, later to become a leading money man for Bush 41 and his Commerce Secretary (with possible additional funding from graft to Nixon from Shah Pahlavi and Phillipine strongman Marcos).
References to both 'the Texans' and Mossbacher occur in the early part of the conversation, before the gap.
A refreshing moment of candor.
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