I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
first! Fuck Bush!
Ad creator charged with molestation
EDINBURG — A man who made national news in 2000 by producing an anti-Al Gore television ad featuring his stepdaughter is now charged in Hidalgo County with multiple counts of molesting the girl and another young relative.
Carey Lee Cramer, 43, pleaded not guilty to six counts of aggravated sexual assault, two counts of indecency with a child by sexual contact and one count of indecency with a child by exposure. State District Judge Noe Gonzalez arraigned Cramer on Wednesday in his 370th state District Court room.
Margret Carlson just pissed off NoFacts and he snarled at her. She might be tired of this gig, Capital Gang is Novak's show.
That reminds me - I need a minute with Peggy Noonan.
Fuck Me!
Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine? Does he make house calls? I've got this gangrenous limb that needs attention, but I've avoided dealing with it because of the co-pay...
WooooooooHoooooooo.
That is all.
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No. They’re going to blame us because we didn’t wear little flag lapel pins and slap yellow ribbon magnetic stickers on our SUV’s...
Ssshhhh... Don't tell the Iraqi insurgents that that's all it takes to bring the world's only remaining superpower to its knees...
Afternoon, freethinkers.
The storm has passed, the power's on again, the sun is shining and I've taken out the garbage. What a crazy weekend! or something...
No. They’re going to blame us because we didn’t wear little flag lapel pins and slap yellow ribbon magnetic stickers on our SUV’s...
He's right. The Great Backlash Narrative™ Frank described in "What's the Matter With Kansas" will be pimped by the Right Wing Noise Machine™ to a degree that will make Clinton Got a Blow Job™ look like it was perpetrated by a bunch of pikers.
Well, I wouldn't mind taking credit for ending a senseless, unwinnable, illegal, immoral clusterfuck of a war. If I could do it as easily as by not putting a stupid piece of plastic shit on my car, well, I'd be happy to do that.
But, the point's well taken. Our "defeat" will be blamed on the left because we said this was a bad idea to start with and didn't cheer loud enough. It's kind of like the abusive spouse who announces he's going to make a million dollars going into business with his loser brother and selling time shares. His wife trys to tell him why it won't work and that they don't have the thousand dollar "initial investment," but he goes ahead anyway. Then, when the whole thing fails, he complains that it's because she never "supports" his efforts.
TBogg's take was great.
As for taking the blame after this shit ends, I can't wait for that to happen.
I, for one, will have a field day when those lil' wussies start trying to pin this debacle on the left.
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a mindless idiot in the early '80's about Kent State. His take was that the student protestors threw rocks at the Guardsmen and therefore, were at fault.
I offered to give him a bag of rocks, a real big bag with lots of good throwing rocks, and I graciously, would take an old 20 gauge single shot shotgun loaded with bird shot and we would throw down. He didn't like the odds.
Same shit, different day.
Oh you can already feel it, the backlash.
I'm sorry the enlightened Canadian (commenter #11) hasn't been told that Americans don't think or act monolithically and that,in fact, many of us *are* as frustrated and angered about the war as he is. And, we're trying to be heard.
I hope when he gets to Europe and sees the "fashions" and "SUV"s there, too, he's not too devastated.
"No. They’re going to blame us because we didn’t wear little flag lapel pins and slap yellow ribbon magnetic stickers on our SUV’s..."
Of course that's correct, they're already blaming us, calling us traitors and threatening to kill us. What a bunch of fools blinded by greed and hate.
Well, if it comes down to killing and they come for me, at least I'll take a few of them with me first.
Then, when the whole thing fails, he complains that it's because she never "supports" his efforts.
Hecate |
Ya see we're losin 'cause you liberals are actin' like losers. If you act like winners like us NeoCons who make our own reality then we'll win.
Anyway. It's all Clinton's fault!
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He's right. The Great Backlash Narrative™ Frank described in "What's the Matter With Kansas" will be pimped by the Right Wing Noise Machine™ to a degree that will make Clinton Got a Blow Job™ look like it was perpetrated by a bunch of pikers.
I doubt we're pulling out of Iraq any time soon.
And by the time we do, it will be after 10 years and after 50,000 people have been killed.
There's no way they'll try a stab in the back myth after that.
Oh...wait...
Nevermind.
Hecate sez:
Our "defeat" will be blamed on the left
They're already setting-up the "stab-in-the-back" idea.
The classics never age.
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BTW When I said it was Clinton's fault, I meant DeWitt Clinton, early Federal era Governor of New York.
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The Editors do have an amusing prose style and do bring up lots of fascinating absurdities.
Not so much as Tom Friedman, but pretty good, still.
No. They’re going to blame us because we didn’t wear little flag lapel pins and slap yellow ribbon magnetic stickers on our SUV’s...
Ssshhhh... Don't tell the Iraqi insurgents that that's all it takes to bring the world's only remaining superpower to its knees...
OMG, do we have a Magnetic Ribbon Gap?
Well, if it comes down to killing and they come for me, at least I'll take a few of them with me first.
The great majority of these pussilanimous little blowhards only talk that shit. Bust 'em in the nose and they'll fold up like a cheap tent.
I think there is a lot more truth to the Poor Man than any of us would like to believe. The trick is: DO NOT ACCEPT THE GUILT. TURN IT BACK ON THEM, THEY ARE THE FOOLS WHO BELIEVED WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID WTF?
The great majority of these pussilanimous little blowhards only talk that shit. Bust 'em in the nose and they'll fold up like a cheap tent.
Billy B | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 7:58 pm | #
What about 150,000 angry, returning vets still pissed about the fact that you "didn't let them finish the job"?
"Afternoon, freethinkers.
The storm has passed..."
--Ripley
I wish.
So, what do we do? I, for one, was never for this war, but I don't have access to the "air waves" and wouldn't be a very good speaker even if I did. Could we change perception now, before the whole mess comes tumbling down?
In all fairness, we still have our "Freedom Fries". Thank you Mr. President.
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DO NOT ACCEPT THE GUILT. TURN IT BACK ON THEM, THEY ARE THE FOOLS WHO BELIEVED WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID WTF?
Or better yet, feed 'em their own dicks.
DO NOT ACCEPT THE GUILT. TURN IT BACK ON THEM, THEY ARE THE FOOLS WHO BELIEVED WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID WTF?
That would be possible if you had a Democratic party willing to come out against the war.
But Kerry "stabbed us in the back" by backing down when the Swift Boat attacks started.
And Dean is keeping his mouth shut about the war right now.
NY Times had an article the other day on how parents are to blame for low military recruitment, because they don't like the access No Child Left Behind has given the military to our nation's high schools.
Yeah, it's the parents. Those freedom-hating parents.
During Clinton we had a lot of terror attacks.
On our soil?
there hasn't been another terror attack on our soil.
So...?
Thersites
So we are safer now than under Clinton.
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The American Experiment is fucked. In retrospect, we did pretty damn good for over two hundred years, but should have paid more attention to that old saw about democracies being endangered when 'they' can 'vote themselves benefits'. As is often the case, by the time you notice it, it's too late.
Richest Are Leaving Even the Rich Far Behind
When F. Scott Fitzgerald pronounced that the very rich "are different from you and me," Ernest Hemingway's famously dismissive response was: "Yes, they have more money." Today he might well add: much, much, much more money.
The people at the top of America's money pyramid have so prospered in recent years that they have pulled far ahead of the rest of the population, an analysis of tax records and other government data by The New York Times shows. They have even left behind people making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
Call them the hyper-rich.
They are not just a few Croesus-like rarities. Draw a line under the top 0.1 percent of income earners - the top one-thousandth. Above that line are about 145,000 taxpayers, each with at least $1.6 million in income and often much more.
The average income for the top 0.1 percent was $3 million in 2002, the latest year for which averages are available. That number is two and a half times the $1.2 million, adjusted for inflation, that group reported in 1980. No other income group rose nearly as fast.
The share of the nation's income earned by those in this uppermost category has more than doubled since 1980, to 7.4 percent in 2002. The share of income earned by the rest of the top 10 percent rose far less, and the share earned by the bottom 90 percent fell.
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Nice graphics, you should click on them. I wish some talented graphist would make an animated version, showing change over time for both income and wealth distribution. Show the squeeze.
Not that it matters really, since we are already in the toaster thanks to President Stupid and his bloodsuckers.
'S ok, US hegemony had it's drawbacks anyway.
The poor man is correct.
The failure is clearly the fault of the left and our inablility to clap loud enough.
What about 150,000 angry, returning vets still pissed about the fact that you "didn't let them finish the job"?
I knew a lot of vets from Viet Nam and I didn't hear a lot of that. Mostly the vets would not even talk about time "in country". Too god damn painful for most.
They're already setting-up the "stab-in-the-back" idea.
Good. Let 'em try that tack. Because they'll end up falling on their own sword. Polls show that most Americans don't think the war was worth it, and all that needs to be said is that it was all King George's idea in the first place.
Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine? Does he make house calls? I have this cyst.
And, you know, I just have this image of Mustafa, wild-eyed radical Moslem, sitting in his little bombed-out house, staring at his destroyed crops. Mustafa says to himself, "Well, I'd sure like to get the mofos who did this to me. I'll starve to death this winter. What do I have to live for? Should I become a suicide bomer? Hmmmm, let me go on the internet and see if the liberal blogs show an insufficient amount of support for George Bush. If they do, that's it, I'm strapping on the dynamite."
I knew a lot of vets from Viet Nam and I didn't hear a lot of that. Mostly the vets would not even talk about time "in country". Too god damn painful for most.
This is going to be different. Those were draftees. And the army was still more or less apolitical.
These are going to be volunteers who spent time in the new fundy, dominated armed wing of the Republican party.
So we are safer now than under Clinton.
Karl |
Please provide the comparative number of deaths and injuries and we'll continue the discussion from there.
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So we are safer now than under Clinton.
No we're not. We're in much more danger under Bush.
What about 150,000 angry, returning vets still pissed about the fact that you "didn't let them finish the job"?
I imagine the majority of those vets would just like to come home and be with their famillies.
They're not the problem.
Good. Let 'em try that tack. Because they'll end up falling on their own sword. Polls show that most Americans don't think the war was worth it, and all that needs to be said is that it was all King George's idea in the first place.
Except for the fact that the Democrats are going to fall all over themselves me tooing the Republicans when they start it.
They're going to do everything possible to distance themselves from the war.
Christ I've been dead over 150 years. Now what did I do?
These are going to be volunteers who spent time in the new fundy, dominated armed wing of the Republican party.
Well then, to steal a line from the Bush Boy, let 'em Brang It On.
Well then, to steal a line from the Bush Boy, let 'em Brang It On.
And what happened after Bush said that?
Well then, to steal a line from the Bush Boy, let 'em Brang It On.
And Kerry's already worked that stupid fucking line to death.
He spent the entire primary race saying "I know something about air craft carriers, blah, blah, blah. Bring em on".
Well then, to steal a line from the Bush Boy, let 'em Brang It On.
And what happened after Bush said that?
Freedom marched.
Hey anyone know a good surgeon? I've got a 300 pound carbuncle on my ass that needs removing.
The Frog on Gordon the
The majority of those fighting this war, as is always the case, are young people - 19-23 years old. They're not part of the armed wing of the Republican party. I hope you'll re-think the implications of connecting in that way, those soldiers to the policies that took them to Iraq...
This is going to be different. Those were draftees. And the army was still more or less apolitical.
These are going to be volunteers who spent time in the new fundy, dominated armed wing of the Republican party.
Hey, don't let reality get in the way.
Most of the soldiers in today's "volunteer" army joined up for educational benefits or other reasons.
Are there some wacko fundies in the millitary? yes, absolutely. But to paint the entire millitary with such a broad brush is just stupid.
These are going to be volunteers who spent time in the new fundy, dominated armed wing of the Republican party.
SWR
There's a reason all the photo ops are with active duty troops but none are with veterans. Don't even think of snapping a pic of a flag-draped coffin or showing an image of a fallen soldier on TV.
That doesn't play into the wingnut narrative.
SWR sez:
And what happened after Bush said that?
The Iraqi islamofascistcommies were crushed.
Oh, wait...
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And what happened after Bush said that?
One of the funniest posts I've ever read on this board was after Chimp mouthed off and the Iraqis responded in kind.
I think it went something like:
"We are bringing it on as requested.
Signed,
The Iraqis"
Seems to be a bunch of intellectually risible cheap shots.
I can understand its appeal to "atrios".
they're not part of the armed wing of the Republican party. I hope you'll re-think the implications of connecting in that way, those soldiers to the policies that took them to Iraq...
Not a chance. SWR never lets reality of experience get in the way of a good rant.
Are there some wacko fundies in the millitary? yes, absolutely. But to paint the entire millitary with such a broad brush is just stupid.
Ah it's Mr. "Nixon wasn't Such a Bad Guy After All".
No. You don't let reality get in the way.
I've already run into one returning vet who just got finished doing time for assault for breaking some kid's jaw (because he made a 9/11 joke).
Don't think you've seen the last of that.
Not a chance. SWR never lets reality of experience get in the way of a good rant.
This from the guy who was defending Nixon one day before Mark Felt came out as Deep Throat 
Or better yet, feed 'em their own dicks.
I think we should find something more substantial.
Just saying.
Geez, what did Nixon do Now??? I thought we had a little talk with him....
Fuck you SWR, I never in my life defended Nixon and you know it.
Somehow you think insisting that chimpy and co are worse criminals than Nixon means I think Nixon's crimes weren't substantial.
Really, you have difficulty with logic, don't you?
Yesterday when the false hijack alarm was broadcast from a commercial jet, the Secret Service was ready to whisk Chimpy away. How come he didn't go to the White House roof and yell, "Bring 'em on!"
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Ah it's Mr. "Nixon wasn't Such a Bad Guy After All".
No, it's Mr. "Chimpy and his merry band of thugs are worse guys."
Really, it's not that difficult to understand.
Are there some wacko fundies in the millitary? yes, absolutely. But to paint the entire millitary with such a broad brush is just stupid.
four legs good
Four legs, I see your point, but you should check out the May issue of Harper's Bazaar that talks about rampant fundamentalist Christians taking over the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. Articles have also appeared on Reuters and AP if you want to google it.
There are documented cases of religious discrimination and harassment at all levels of the academy, targeting cadets that were not "born again" fundamentalist Christians.
It's pretty eye-opening stuff.
they're not part of the armed wing of the Republican party. I hope you'll re-think the implications of connecting in that way, those soldiers to the policies that took them to Iraq...
This kind of me too "support the troops" mentality is what got 1600 of the troops killed.
It's what got Bush re-elected.
Most soldiers are very, very, very right wing. Don't kid yourself. And many are potentially violent.
If we pull out in a year or so (and we won't), it's going to be very different from the Vietnam era draftees
Ewwwww... someone (s)hat!
May 23rd, 2005 → High Tide of the Neoconservative Movement.
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How come he didn't go to the White House roof and yell, "Bring 'em on!"
He was off somewhere cowering in a fetal position.
Seems to be a bunch of intellectually risible cheap shots.
heh. How long did you sit around and try to think up that moronic phrase?
Trying to be one of the gang?
No, it's Mr. "Chimpy and his merry band of thugs are worse guys."
Really, it's not that difficult to understand.
four legs good | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 8:17 pm | #
Nope. It's Mr. I Didn't Study History Because My Mouth is Full of Boomer Nostalgia Guy.
You were hiliriously wrong on your defense of Richard Nixon. But hell, your friends Pat Buchanan and Chuck Colson are working the airwaves for you. Congrats.
There was a difference between Richard Nixon and George W Bush. Bush had a plan for getting out of VietNam that worked.
Still dead after all these years.
"Risible" makes me think of ribs - the barbecued kind.
How come he didn't go to the White House roof and yell, "Bring 'em on!"
How come he hid in a bunker all day on 9/11?
Most soldiers are very, very, very right wing. Don't kid yourself. And many are potentially violent.
No offense, man, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Can I suggest some librium?
There are documented cases of religious discrimination and harassment at all levels of the academy, targeting cadets that were not "born again" fundamentalist Christians.
It's pretty eye-opening stuff
Four Legs Good doesn't believe in studying history so he doesn't understand how culture changes over time.
For him, it's very simple. 60s good. Present Bad. Things never change. Everything will play out the way they did in the mid-70s (including probably disco).
This kind of blindness is what scares me, really scares me.
Nixon actually did some good (the EPA), out of a certain ethic which also encompassed fantastic (but it must be said entirely commonplace by real American standards) evil, and a lot of disapproval of him is cartoonish.
Stinky, I know about all that.
For what it's worth, I think a lot of the fundamentalism is among the officer corps, which is really dangerous.
But it's unfair to paint every soldier as a wacko right wing fundie.
One of the guys who cleaned my vents last week got out of the army right before they imposed the stop-loss orders. (Just in time he said).
He said when he was in, there was lots of grumbling and bitching about chimpy. He said the rank and file HATES him.
No offense, man, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Yes I do. I actually know soldiers. My family actually has people who serve in the military. I actually meet people who aren't on university campuses.
If you think the troops are going to act like your little Stalinist/Popular Front Idealization of "The Working Man" you are sadly, sadly deluded.
SWR, lighten up.
Are you old enough to remember Nixon?
While Nixon was bad, 4LG is correct. Tricky Dick was a saint compared to the Bush junta.
He said the rank and file HATES him.
In your fucking dreams.
What's the percentage of active duty military personel who voted for him?
It's easily over 70%.
Four Legs Good doesn't believe in studying history so he doesn't understand how culture changes over time.
Oh shut the fuck up.
You don't know anything about me.
You're the one with the simplistic views here.
SWR, what's up with the belligerence?
Seems to be a bunch of intellectually risible...
Blah blah blah Clinton got a blow job blah blah Christmas is under seige blah blah blah Liberals hate money Blah Blah Liberals caused us to lose Iraq Blah Blah Blah George Soros is Jewish blah Whoopi Goldberg's not Jewish blah Paul Newman's half Jewish Blah blah blah Something about negroes Blah Blah Atrios' real name is Duncan blah blah
While Nixon was bad, 4LG is correct. Tricky Dick was a saint compared to the Bush junta.
I'll talk to some dead Chileans and Cambodians about that.
Or better yet, I'll talk to Pat Buchanan.
Haven't you been fucking watching him over the last few days?
Do you really think the old Nixon crowd is better than the Bush crowd?
Oh wait, a lot of the left loves Pat Buchanan. Sorry. Silly me.
Stop being a jackass, SWR.
Though the "disco" bit was pretty funny.
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Oh shut the fuck up.
You don't know anything about me.
You defended Richard Nixon.
What's more to know. You don't study history.
Are you old enough to remember Nixon?
He is not.
He was lecturing me about what republicans were like in the 70's the other night.
I don't know how many of you read the rather eccentric BartCop, who's great one minute on the Busheviks' loot'n'scoot strategy in Iraq, then complains that Dem "doves" are costing the party elections.
But he's back from vacation and has this timely quote from Mrs. James Carville:
"I don't know what the talking points are yet. My personal opinion is that he's a traitor."
--Mary Matalin, on Deep Throat
My question--why is MM out of the talking points loop?
I hate to but in, but what is this supposed to mean?
I actually meet people who aren't on university campuses. - SWR
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SWR = paid for by the GOP
May I suggest a few minutes of mandatory "quiet time" for some of us.
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Yes I do. I actually know soldiers. My family actually has people who serve in the military. I actually meet people who aren't on university campuses.
Well, I'm a retired army officer, so I have a bit of experience there too, and I still think you don't know what the fuck you're saying. Go back to your "Soldier of Fortune" magazine, or whereever else you get your theories.
One of the guys who cleaned my vents last week got out of the army right before they imposed the stop-loss orders. (Just in time he said).
One of the guys who cleaned my vents last week
Yeah. Like you're really going to be honest with the guy who's paying you to do odd jobs.
Jesus Christ.
How come he hid in a bunker all day on 9/11?
Because, my dear Hecate, the Chimp is a "virtual" badass. He's real good at playing dress-up.
Remember this?
Georgie Peorgie, Pudding and pie
Kissed the girls and made them cry (or retch)
When the boys came out to play
Georgie Peorgie ran away.
That's the chimp in a nutshell.
Didn't defend Nixon.
The fact that you're so incredibly dense that you took my argument that Bush is worse than Nixon just demonstrates your inability to reason.
Grow up.
Bust 'em in the nose and they'll fold up like a cheap tent.
Billy B -7:58 pm
Me? I'll bust a cap up their asses...
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Nope. It's Mr. I Didn't Study History Because My Mouth is Full of Boomer Nostalgia Guy.
Hmmm..... forgive me, but it's Dr. I did study history because I have more sense than not. So where's the protectionist stuff coming from? I mean, it's nice to go into a twist at the realisation that historical study is largely ignored but still....
Well, I'm a retired army officer, so I have a bit of experience there too, and I still think you don't know what the fuck you're saying.
I don't know one ex military man who had anything but contempt for John Kerry and who didn't buy into the Swift Boat campaign without criticism.
ril/ blah blah blah
not only are we bluish
WE ARE GEORGE SOROS
figure that out bitches
8 months into his presidency the plan al quaeda had perfected under Clinton, when national security was an afterthought, was carried out. There have been NO attacks on American soil since, unlike the Clinton years when such attacks were frequent. We are safer under Bush than we were under Clinton.
Do you really think the old Nixon crowd is better than the Bush crowd?
How old are you, SWR?
Re: Deep Throat Revelations
Did I miss him or was John Dean noticeably absent from the Deep Throat blabberfest. He seems very anti Bush, long ago suggesting Bush should be impeached.
Just wonderin'.
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Yeah. Like you're really going to be honest with the guy who's paying you to do odd jobs.
Oh, right.
The guy really had a motive to lie.
For the record, the guy worked for a big company.
Look, you come here day after day and lecture everyone about your conclusions. Try listening to people who actually lived through that history for a change.
And quit making blanket conclusions about people who disagree with you.
Well, that too is bullshit. I know many who knew the Swiftboat phonies for the cons that they were. And now I'm done chatting with you because you are obviously unstable.
"I don't know what the talking points are yet. My personal opinion is that he's a traitor."
--Mary Matalin, on Deep Throat
My question--why is MM out of the talking points loop?
She doesn't *sound* like she's out of the talking points loop...
Me? I'll bust a cap up their asses...
And then you go to jail.
This is not addressing the issue. This is what I'm worried about. People living in a fantasy world.
that's not SWR. We've seen the quote at 8:27 before, and it's pretty silly considering how both sides marshalled their pet or stock vets to put in appearances. Of course, "SWR" doesn't "know" them.
So we are safer now than under Clinton.
Yeah, I feel a shitload safer.
Try listening to people who actually lived through that history for a change.
You actually sound just like the vet I met who did time for busting some kid's jaw for making a 9/11 joke.
To him, I had no right to talk about Iraq because I wasn't there.
Did I miss him or was John Dean noticeably absent from the Deep Throat blabberfest. He seems very anti Bush, long ago suggesting Bush should be impeached.
Just wonderin'.
No, he was out and about. I saw him on Olbermann several nights last week.
Incidentally he wrote a book last year about chimpy called, "Worse than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George Bush."
Since he was in the middle of it, I'll take his word for it.
May I suggest a few minutes of mandatory "quiet time" for some of us.
Agent Orange - I'm going to go iron. It's the right thing to do.
Incidentally he wrote a book last year about chimpy called, "Worse than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George Bush."
Since he was in the middle of it, I'll take his word for it.
But did he study history?
I know many who knew the Swiftboat phonies for the cons that they were.
What percentage of active duty military personel voted for Bush?
Call me a name stealing troll if you like but this question has a non-idealogical, hard answer.
It's a number. You can't spin a number.
Tricky Dick was more liberal domestically than Clinton. Now granted, he was a completely paranoid stark raving mad asshole, but he was more liberal domestically than Clinton.
8 months into his presidency the plan al quaeda had perfected under Clinton, when national security was an afterthought, was carried out. There have been NO attacks on American soil since, unlike the Clinton years when such attacks were frequent. We are safer under Bush than we were under Clinton.
truth |
Please review the terroist attacks on US soil and include the number dead and we'll go from there.
BTW The 9/11 attackers learned to fly commercial jets in the very state where the President's brother governs. Hhhmmm. I wonder...
I don't know one ex military man who had anything but contempt for John Kerry and who didn't buy into the Swift Boat campaign without criticism.
I know several.
QuentinC @8:04--- my poor crazy drunken "Creator", Mr Fitzgerald, has one quibble with that NY Times article: Hemingway was the real life victim of that putdown-- and stuck it on Fitz (in Snows of Kilmanjaro{?}), mainly because Ernest was a bullying prick, and he could get away with it because at that time, Fitz was a nobody. Ask Max Perkins.
& now back to your regularly scheduled War Between the Generations
when will the irony cease?
...okay, we're sorry about that.
I don't know one ex military man who had anything but contempt for John Kerry and who didn't buy into the Swift Boat campaign without criticism.
SWR
Uhhhh... maybe your sample is skewed, because I can think of four ex-servicemen that I know right off the top of my head that were wholeheatedly on Kerry's side. Guys with Purple Hearts all of them. But maybe my sample is skewed...
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Just as an aside, I don't think that busting people's jaws over a joke, no matter how inappropriate, is very civilized behavior.
I'm sure it's lapped up and applauded my many on the Right but it's pretty juvenile and anti-social, if you ask me.
Now - back into the breach, lads !
8 months into his presidency the plan al quaeda had perfected under Clinton, when national security was an afterthought, was carried out. We are safer under Bush than we were under Clinton.
truth |
No, that's bullshit. As are you - bullshit, an idiot, a prevaricator, and a dipshit.
Want some more?
"I don't know what the talking points are yet. My personal opinion is that he's a traitor."
--Mary Matalin, on Deep Throat
My question--why is MM out of the talking points loop?
She doesn't *sound* like she's out of the talking points loop...
Maybe she was talking about Nixon?
8 months into his presidency the plan al quaeda had perfected under Clinton, when national security was an afterthought, was carried out. There have been NO attacks on American soil since
8 months into Bush's preznitcy a memo titled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike Inside US" made no ripples in an administration that put off anti-terror action until 9/10/2001.
In contrast, during Clinton's tenure we saw the successful prosecution of the WTC93 bombers, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, and the thwarted Millenium Plot. Since 9/11, we've seen anthrax attacks at home and an all-time high of terrorist attacks (and deaths and woundings as a result).
Anybody who says we're safer under Bush is objectively pro-terrorist.
I can be there in a week.
I know several.
four legs good | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 8:33 pm | #
OK. No anecdotal evidence.
How do the numbers of the 2004 election break down in terms of active duty military personel?
DWD --- "Do not accept the guilt" -- I never have, and my reward has been that many, many Vietnam-era vets have told me that it was pro-war types at the VFW halls that made their lives miserable when they came home. To a man, every vet I've gotten to know over the years told me they felt supported by their anti-war peers when they got back. Not that we tried to turn them against the war, just that we gave them space to be . . . I know all my friends talked endlessly about wanting to do the right thing by guys coming back -- no questioning, no blaming. And so many have told me they were received in that spirit. I'm quite proud of many in my generation for that . . .
I'm late to the thread and reading upwards--the current SWR is a name-stealer, no? Or is it?
OT:
I'm sure you'll all be shocked to hear that the wingnut who lives across the street from me, who on Memorial Day chopped down half of his thirty-year-old yew hedge, still has done nothing about the huge pile of dead branches. Monday, I'll call the county sanitation department and say I'm Ms. Wingnut and need the branches carted away. Along with all the lawn furniture in the back yard, which we now no longer need. 
While Nixon was bad, 4LG is correct. Tricky Dick was a saint compared to the Bush junta.
Billy B -8:23 pm
Beg to differ:
there is (imho, naturally) absolutely no diffeernce between what Nixon tried (and Reagan, too, attempted, with the connnivance of Ollie North, Poindexter, and the rest)), but at which he got tripped up, and what the Busheviks have done, except that the Busheviks brought it off.
of course, they've had lots more practice, and had the voting machines in their pockets, too...
the Clinton years when such attacks were frequent.
Bullshit. There was one al Qaeda attack on US soil under Clinton.
BTW The 9/11 attackers learned to fly commercial jets in the very state where the President's brother governs. Hhhmmm. I wonder...
Agent Orange ,/i>
Shorter Agent Orange: I GOT NOTHIN'
I just found out that my cousin's son got called up for Iraq.
He's in the Reserves. He has to go in a couple of weeks.
His Dad was in Iraq I.
Shit.
I knew George Bush. George Bush was a friend of mine. George Bush was no Dick Nixon.
Just as an aside, I don't think that busting people's jaws over a joke, no matter how inappropriate, is very civilized behavior.
I'm sure it's lapped up and applauded my many on the Right but it's pretty juvenile and anti-social, if you ask me.
Now - back into the breach, lads !
And this guy was none too subtle about the fact that he was perfectly willing to do the same to me.
I was actually afraid talking to him, and I don't scare that easily when it comes to getting into a fight.
This guy was deadly serious.
OK. It's only one person. But if you want to know where my anger's coming from it's the way this guy was so fucking smug about it and that everybody else in the room was too afraid to question a troop to call him on it.
Yes, it's anecdotal evidence. But yes, it was also pretty disturbing.
But hey, it doesn't count. I don't have a right to an opinion if I wasn't at Woodstock.
Bullshit. There was one al Qaeda attack on US soil under Clinton.
The Old Man From Scene 24
Oklahoma City wasn't terrorism?
Busted.
Oh wait, a lot of the left loves Pat Buchanan. Sorry. Silly me.
Oh right, you've heard me hear day after day defending fucking delusional Pat Buchanan.
Eli, apparently John Dean didn't study history either.
But I have it on good authority that he gets his kicks biting the heads off peeps.
Bombast!
[ bombast. ]
Bombast.
Totally OT, but does anybody know what I said that pissed off Jennifer last night? I swear it was either a namestealer, misattributed, or misinterpreted, but I don't know what I posted that she was upset about.
Gore on c-span now, from Johns Hopkins address 5/26.
I'm sure you'll all be shocked to hear that the wingnut who lives across the street from me, who on Memorial Day chopped down half of his thirty-year-old yew hedge, still has done nothing about the huge pile of dead branches. Monday, I'll call the county sanitation department and say I'm Ms. Wingnut and need the branches carted away.
Good plan!!
al Qaeda attacked us regularly under Clinton. They used the al Qaedan mind meld techniques, that failed, but their agents did stay in Holiday Inns and peed on Gideon's Bibles frequently.
Bodies fill the fields I see, hungry heroes' end
No one to play soldier now, no one to pretend
Running blind through killing fields, bred to kill them all
Victim of what said should be
A servant 'til I fall
Soldier boy, made of clay
Now an empty shell
Twenty one, only son
But he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
Do just as we say
Finished here, greetings death
He's yours to take away
Back to the front
You will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
You will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
You coward
You servant
You blindman
Barking of machinegun fire, does nothing to me now
Sounding of the clock that ticks, get used to it somehow
More a man, more stripes you bare, glory seeker trends
Bodies fill the fields I see
The slaughter never ends
Soldier boy, made of clay
Now an empty shell
Twenty one, only son
But he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
Do just as we say
Finished here, greetings death
He's yours to take away
Back to the front
You will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
You will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
You coward
You servant
You blindman
Why, am I dying?
Kill, have no fear
Lie, live off lying
Hell, hell is here
I was born for dying
Life planned out before my birth, nothing could I say
Had no chance to see myself, molded day by day
Looking back I realize, nothing have I done
Left to die with only friend
Alone I clench my gun
Soldier boy, made of clay
Now an empty shell
Twenty one, only son
But he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
Do just as we say
Finished here, greetings death
He's yours to take away
Back to the front
You will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
You will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
You coward
You servant
You blindman
Back to the front
(Courtesy, James Hetfield)
fake SWR, everybody knows there is a nominal majority of rightists in the military, largely because they get promoted and because they are absolutely unapologetic about bullying. That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of quiet liberals trying not to get marked, or reasonable undecideds, or "paleocons" pissed off out of their minds at Bush's crew. But then being a troll you went and offered something noone here would accept as evidence: numbers from the (a?) stolen election where every reasonable person knows votes were "corrected," largely with that attitude ("oh, I'm sure this guy wanted to check this box") and others ("golly, I just cannot make out this black gguy's ballot").
Oh right, you've heard me hear day after day defending fucking delusional Pat Buchanan.
You approvingly quoted John Dean when he said "the Nixon crowd was a bunch of pikers compared to this crowd."
Talk to 50,000 dead Chileans some day.
Isn't it just possible Dean is trying to play down his role in a criminal conspiracy?
And yes, a lot of people on the left like Pat Buchanan. The one good thing about Mark Felt coming out is that they're getting to see what he really was.
I just found out that my cousin's son got called up for Iraq.
He's in the Reserves. He has to go in a couple of weeks.
His Dad was in Iraq I.
Bummer.
My cousin is still there, flying S & R.
Fucking blows doesn't it?
Mornin' moonbats,
It's like Rumsfailed in Singapore preaching about American exceptionalism. It's surrealistic in a Tedly kind of way to listen to Rumsfailed blame everybody but his team for the failure to control the situation in Iraq.
To paraphrase:
"It's al-Jazeera's fault. Even an American watching al-Jazeera all the time would hate America. I don't wake up in the morning thinking that America is what is wrong with the world."
Well Mr. Rumsfailed - it isn't America that is what is wrong with the world, it's 'Murka, the bizarro creation of the Busheviks and Faux News and the Morans of the world. 'Murka, where the bullies are the kewl kids and the football players are fragged and used as propaganda.
Bullshit. There was one al Qaeda attack on US soil under Clinton.
The Old Man From Scene 24
Oklahoma City wasn't terrorism?
It was homegrown terrorist, not AQ. But please, do keep on moving the goalposts and forgetting the McVeigh and Nichols were convicted.
How many anthrax attackers have been nabbed? Why is global terrorism at an all time high? Riddle me that, fuckwit.
Thank you for noticing!
Timothy al Mcveighda?
I was al-Queda?
But hey, it doesn't count. I don't have a right to an opinion if I wasn't at Woodstock.
You have a right to an opinion, but the sign of mature discourse is actually listening to other people and adjusting your opinions when they're wrong.
It's called learning, son.
Try it sometime.
Yes, but did he pee on the Gideons?
And, you know, I just have this image of Mustafa, wild-eyed radical Moslem, sitting in his little bombed-out house, staring at his destroyed crops. Mustafa says to himself, "Well, I'd sure like to get the mofos who did this to me. I'll starve to death this winter. What do I have to live for? Should I become a suicide bomer? Hmmmm, let me go on the internet and see if the liberal blogs show an insufficient amount of support for George Bush. If they do, that's it, I'm strapping on the dynamite."
Hecate | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 8:06 pm
don't know whether to laugh or cry or both.
this makes me think of that documentary that was on public tv the other night about the guy who went with his mother to the place in vietnam where his father was killed in the war. one of the things they kept focusing on was the faces of happy, laughing children, who seemed to be doing just fine even though we didn't save them from communism.
i'm prepared to settle for a failure to "win" in iraq if it means a failure to destroy iraq and its people. i think we need to really strap our big boots on and get ready to fight to prevent an invasion of iran or environs. the Bushitburo have a lust for bloodshed that can't be sated, but only excised.
Why is global terrorism at an all time high?
What is your model? What are your p values? What is your confidence interval? How large was your sample? How was it conducted? What criteria did your research have to meet? What was your null hypothesis?
When you can answer those questions, come back and talk to us.
there is (imho, naturally) absolutely no diffeernce between what Nixon tried (and Reagan, too, attempted, with the connnivance of Ollie North, Poindexter, and the rest)), but at which he got tripped up, and what the Busheviks have done, except that the Busheviks brought it off.
I defer to the master. I loved your "bust a cap in their ass" line, kono.
I hated Nixon with a purple passion. I was on the streets screaming about the SOB back in the day.
He was truly a monster.
That being said, I watched a documentary on the Watergate deal recently and in comparison, it was not that big a deal compared to Ronny Reegun and the Bush horseshit.
Of course, you are dead nuts on when you talk about the practice they've had. They have gotten better at it.
And more arrogant. That will ultimately be their downfall, IMHO.
Oklahoma City wasn't terrorism?
Busted.
truth |
Conflating Timothy McVeigh with al-Qaeda...man you were already on thin ice and you just took a bath. SPLASH!
BTW Was the bombing of Fort Sumter an act of terrorism and should the Confederacy be considered a known terrorist organization? Just wonderin'.
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I wasn't at Woodstock. I was at Altamont. I wanted a refund but it was free.
Oklahoma City wasn't terrorism?
It wasn't an al Qaeda attack dipshit.
It was carried out by an all-American, God fearing Conservative Republican.
I don't know one ex military man who had anything but contempt for John Kerry and who didn't buy into the Swift Boat campaign without criticism.
SWR
of course, you never met me: ex-military, Nam vet, who had no contempt whatsoever for John Kerry--at least not until AFTER he didn't contest the Bushevik election thievery...
so please enlarge your sample, or simply consume fecal matter and quietly perish...
You have a right to an opinion, but the sign of mature discourse is actually listening to other people and adjusting your opinions when they're wrong.
It's called learning, son.
Try it sometime.
OK. Nixon was a great guy. I was wrong.
Thanks Dad.
Thank you for noticing!
You're welcome!!
I don't have a right to an opinion if I wasn't at Woodstock.
SWR
How you expect anyone to repond to you when you throw shit like this out there is beyound me.
Go sleep it off or whatever.
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And he did pee on the Gideon Bibles, let's not forget that.
--Bullshit. There was one al Qaeda attack on US soil under Clinton.
The Old Man From Scene 24
=Oklahoma City wasn't terrorism?
Busted.
pravda
See, the daleks really are not capable of talking. They sing on and on about a "free exchange of ideas and spirited debate," and the closest they come is moving goalposts (OMFS24's point is valid for AQ, but he was not informed that suddenly we're talking about all terror). Which now that we think of it should include school shootings and family murders, which are still happening...but hey we're not being fair.
OK. Nixon was a great guy. I was wrong.
Okay.
We're done.
Nixon was a crook and you're a moron.
Mornin' moonbats,
What I like about Tom is he posts from the future.
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I agree with him. All crime is political. Pee on that and smoke it.
al Qaeda attacked us regularly under Clinton. They used the al Qaedan mind meld techniques, that failed, but their agents did stay in Holiday Inns and peed on Gideon's Bibles frequently.
To be fair, they were peeing in the potted plants, but the AC came on and created air currents that just so happened to blow the piss onto the Bible. Totally an accident.
You approvingly quoted John Dean when he said "the Nixon crowd was a bunch of pikers compared to this crowd."
Wow, SWR, that is damning. 'course, if you'd bother to read Worse Than Watergate, I think you would understand that BushCo, which has thus far killed 25,000 Iraqis, supported coups in Venezuela and Haiti, destroyed the domestic economy and is trying to do even more evil things, is objectively worse than Nixon. Condemnation of Bush is not exoneration of Nixon.
Geesh, are you partying with Incog or what?
Seems to be a bunch of intellectually risible cheap shots.
I can understand its appeal to "atrios".
hat | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 8:13 pm
word from the Master.
the "laff quotes" make me think of that chris farley character, the motivational speaker guy who never washes his hair.
Of course, you are dead nuts on when you talk about the practice they've had. They have gotten better at it.
And more arrogant. That will ultimately be their downfall, IMHO.
We can only hope.
bumper sticker:
"NIXON, better than Bush"
-J.T.
$LG
Yeah it blows.
I know alot of vets who were very much for Kerry BTW
rest assured this is the 'real' SWR- he's tends to use a broader brush than usual when it comes to boomers (I was born in 1967, by the way, so don't bust my chops on that) and the military mindset in general.
He's making the same mistake most of us do at some point or another: taking his personal experience and making it into The Secret of The World.
If all crime is political, only collectivism can reduce crime!
Did I miss him or was John Dean noticeably absent from the Deep Throat blabberfest. He seems very anti Bush, long ago suggesting Bush should be impeached.
Just wonderin'.
He was on Franken this week.
-Why is global terrorism at an all time high?
=What is your model? What are your p values? What is your confidence interval? How large was your sample? How was it conducted? What criteria did your research have to meet? What was your null hypothesis?
When you can answer those questions, come back and talk to us.
truth
umm, by any standards they are happening now more often than they were before the "GWOT," as everyone including you knows. But the racism behind flypaper thing is, it's happening in Bali or Pakistan, not here.
of course, you never met me: ex-military, Nam vet, who had no contempt whatsoever for John Kerry--at least not until AFTER he didn't contest the Bushevik election thievery...
I meet Vietnam Vets Against the War types. They exist. But I feel that they're the minority and I don't feel they represent the people in the military now.
Maybe there's a lot of reluctance among active duty troops to speak up.
Maybe their families are holding their toungues because they "support the troops".
But I am honestly worried what's going to happen if we pull out of Iraq in the next two years and the stab in the back myths gear up.
And I was responding to the guy who said "they're all just chickenhawk cowards". I'm not afraid that Glenn Reynolds is going to come beat me up or that Charles Johnson is going to run me over with a bulldozer.
But you'd be a fool to deny that there is going to be violence if we "lose" in Iraq. Or that a lot of that anger's going to be used for domestic repression.
And you're a fool if you think there's going to be a backlash from the left when Iraq falls apart.
Why is global terrorism at an all time high?
What is your model?
Don't ask me, dipshit. Ask the State Dept.
and lives in a van down by the river?
BTW Was the bombing of Fort Sumter an act of terrorism and should the Confederacy be considered a known terrorist organization? Just wonderin'.
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Agent Orange
Shorter Agent Orange: I got Nothin'
When you can answer those questions, come back and talk to us.
truth |
Why has the State Department ceased publishing its annual Review of Worlwide Terrorism?
Because terroism has grown under Bush.
Why did they only include 9 months of data in their final tally and were caught by a couple of Stanford Professors (no doubt America hating)in that lie?
Cause they thought they'd get away with it.
And "truth" do your duty in a few years when you turn 18, enlist. The war will still be going on. Good Luck.
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Whoops...4LG that is
global terrorism is at an all time high because we now know that all crime is political. But the Bush House doesn't want us to know that.... aaaaeeeeyyyooiiiii!
wush vs nixon
EPA.
period.
What I like about Tom is he posts from the future.
Me too.
Geesh, are you partying with Incog or what?
I think Incog, who is a Gulf War I vet, would kick this poseur's ass for his nonsense.
I seem to remember that Incog didn't find the swift boat assholes particularly persuasive either.
Shorter Agent Orange: I got Nothin'
Shorter truth: I got even less than nuthin'.
Bullshit. There was one al Qaeda attack on US soil under Clinton.
The Old Man From Scene 24
Oklahoma City wasn't terrorism?
Busted.
truth
Thees trrrruth, she ees, how you say, delusional, yes?
She has delusions of trrruth een eets leetle heead, yes?
Even I, El Gato Negro, a cat frrrom a farrr away Espagna know that, how you say, Oklahoma ceety, thees was thee worrrk of, how you say, Fasciisti, yes?
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I am sorrrry, everrrytime I say thees worrrd, I get masseeve hairrrballs.
so.
I theen thees one, thees "trrrruth" she ees muy loco en la cabeza, no?
Bush is a pantywaist. I am a heavyweight....discuss
He has to go in a couple of weeks.
His Dad was in Iraq I.
Shit.
scout prime -8:37 pm
oh, shit indeed...i'm so sorry...i don't pray, but you have my best hopes and wishes for his safe return...
shit
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rest assured this is the 'real' SWR- he's tends to use a broader brush than usual when it comes to boomers (I was born in 1967, by the way, so don't bust my chops on that) and the military mindset in general.
He's making the same mistake most of us do at some point or another: taking his personal experience and making it into The Secret of The World.
nick carraway | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 8:47 pm | #
Do you really think there's going to be a backlash against Bush from the left when Iraq falls part?
Isn't this just the "After Hitler Us" line the German Communists were using.
Oh wait. I can't talk about the German Communists. I wasn't around in the 30s.
But seriously. The passivity worries me. When Iraq falls apart, we're going hard to the right, not left.
should the Confederacy be considered a known terrorist organization? Just wonderin' - Agent Orange
No, they were traitors to the United States of America.
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How do the numbers of the 2004 election break down in terms of active duty military personel?
I'm not sure voting patterns in 2004 among active military members are totally reliable predictors of attitudes towards the war of returnining Iraq Adventure vets. for one thing the only numbers I saw were for the whole military, not for just Iraq servicemembers. Also, I've also seen numbers suggesting that while the military did go largely to Bush, there is also a surprising amount of worry about the conduct of the war. Finally career military are largely GOP but not necessarily the grunts.
SWR, Shut the fuck up.
You are either a troll or an easily impressionable child.
So you met a right wing nut who busted a guy who told a 9/11 joke, big deal. Try drinking in another bar.
I think Incog, who is a Gulf War I vet, would kick this poseur's ass for his nonsense.
I agree. I was just snarking on SWR's apparent drunkeness, which nicely parallels Incog's rants. Both can be reasonable unless they've been partying. Then they're both just annoying. 'specially SWR, what with all his crap about analog vs. digital photography (worse than charley!).
By the way SWR (no P values on this one either but think about for ten seconds) criminal violence, especially murder, always increases after a war. It's not something that will be stopped by asking leftist military still in to get their careers blown off like misplaced turkey-peeking heads so you feel better about their demographic visibility.
$LG
Hey!! I wish that were me.
But I spend all my time on a liberal, elitist college campus, dreaming of Woodstock and boogying to discos tunes, so I have no time to make money.
Because terroism has grown under Bush.
What is your model? What are your p values? What is your confidence interval? How large was your sample? How was it conducted? What criteria did your research have to meet? What was your null hypothesis?
When you can answer those questions, come back and talk to us.
I think Incog, who is a Gulf War I vet, would kick this poseur's ass for his nonsense.
So you're saying that most vets *are* likely to beat up a civilian for having an opinion he finds obnoxious.
I agree. As I said, I've met at least one vet who claims to have busted some kids jaw for making a 9/11 joke.
And you're saying a drunken, gay, depressed leftist would beat me up because he was a vet.
You're saying that vets are more violent than non vets.
Eli--You're quite right to point out that I was too naive to properly interpret the statements of Mary Matalin.
When she said she was out of the loop on talking points but considered Mark Felt a traitor, I focused on the "out of the loop" rather than the doctrinaire talking point.
Maybe she was floating a new trial balloon meta-talking point about how all the goopers arrived at the "traitor" conclusion independently. I'll defer to your judgment.
Sorry--in the future I'll try to be more negative and cynical.
WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka...)-- Hang on to your respect for Kerry.
"NIXON, better than Bush"
That is like saying AIDS is better than cancer.
Hey, truth -
You've really stepped off into the shit, ain't you? These folks here are runnin' you ragged. You might want to think about tucking your fucking tail and getting the fuck out.
Or not. I am enjoying the feeding frenzy.
RESOLVED: All crime is political, therefore all crime is terrorism and all terrorism is crime.
Should we....
A: use the crime control model to combat terrorism?
B: use the combat model to control crime?
debate
'specially SWR, what with all his crap about analog vs. digital photography (worse than charley!).
Aha!! all is explained.
Thanks WGG
SWR
My brother-in-law was a Viet Nam vet and in NO way a Vietnam Vet against War.
But he was totally against the Iraq War from the get go. And he hates Rumsfeld like no one I have ever seen. And voted for Kerry.
Sorry--in the future I'll try to be more negative and cynical.
Always a safe bet, dude.
I agree. As I said, I've met at least one vet who claims to have busted some kids jaw for making a 9/11 joke.
And we once came across this marine (unusually tall guy) who boasted about going to gay bars to start shit. So fucking what?
What is your model? What are your p values? What is your confidence interval? How large was your sample? How was it conducted? What criteria did your research have to meet? What was your null hypothesis?
You don't take a fucking poll to count the number of people killed in terror attack you fucking idiot.
So you're saying that most vets *are* likely to beat up a civilian for having an opinion he finds obnoxious.
No, SWR, that's not the case. When one takes the tone you are taking, the receiver often gets defensive to the point of counterattack.
Pee values? quran or gideon?
So you're saying that most vets *are* likely to beat up a civilian for having an opinion he finds obnoxious.
Sigh.
Apparently our children really aren't learning.
You don't take a fucking poll to count the number of people killed in terror attack you fucking idiot.
In Bushworld we do
Do you really think there's going to be a backlash against Bush from the left when Iraq falls part?
no.
the machine will blame the left, as it always does when their fantasies fail...
the talibangelists will incite their flocks to violence, i am certain of that.
there will be vigilantism, violent jingoism...because of course the 'loss' in Iraq will be accompanied by another terror attack on the homeland...for which the left will also be blamed...for the same reasons...
then there will be no left in Murka anymore...
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And we once came across this marine (unusually tall guy) who boasted about going to gay bars to start shit. So fucking what?
kei & yuri | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 8:55 pm | #
"Four Legs Good" made my point for me.
He said:
I think Incog, who is a Gulf War I vet, would kick this poseur's ass for his nonsense.
He's living vicarously through a man he thinks would beat me up because he was a vet.
Now Four Legs Good is an asshole but I have no doubt he's on the same side as I am politically. Yet even he buys into the idea that vets are violent. And he likes that idea.
Now imagine what a wingnut in "red" America is going to think when Iraq falls apart.
Someone tell me when it's safe to come back from "vacation."
My Public Editor slapped the shit out of me and my ass hurts.
Because terroism has grown under Bush.
What is your model?
The State Department's, asshole.
When Iraq falls apart, we're going hard to the right, not left.
I'm genuinely curious as to why you think German Communists are more germane than the American experience after Vietnam...
No, SWR, that's not the case. When one takes the tone you are taking, the receiver often gets defensive to the point of counterattack.
Billy B | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 8:56 pm | #
And how "defensive" do you think most vets and most conservatives in "red" America are going to be when Iraq falls apart?
OT, but really important...
Nachos are still delicious!!!
Also, I've also seen numbers suggesting that while the military did go largely to Bush, there is also a surprising amount of worry about the conduct of the war. Finally career military are largely GOP but not necessarily the grunts.
This is right on. I'm a retired Army officer and a life-long Democrat, and I was in the minority, but most officers aren't "True Believers" in the sense that they fiercely Republican or Democrat.
Also, the point suggesting that most enlisted personnel are Democrats is also right on.
Also, I completely agree with Sally's last point 
Yet even he buys into the idea that vets are violent. And he likes that idea.
No, and no.
You haven't got a fucking clue.
I'm genuinely curious as to why you think German Communists are more germane than the American experience after Vietnam...
Right now most people on the left are operating under a fatal assumption.
They think that if Iraq falls apart it's going to discredit Bush, that people are going to swing to the left.
That's the fatal assumption the German Communists made, that Hitler would discredit the German right, that all they had to do is sit back passively and watch it happen.
You cannot imagine what a beautiful, gentle color of pink the western sky just turned behind the pine trees.
The State Department's, asshole.
Thersites
Shorter Thersites: nada
Anybody have anything Fun to talk about this evening?
I've got Brahms clarinet quintets on, just finished a tasty salad and recently discovered there are naked ladies on the internets.... hundreds of 'em!
Now imagine what a wingnut in "red" America is going to think when Iraq falls apart.
SWR |
That's easy. It was the fault of disloyal liberals and an irresponsible liberal media.
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If vets are so violent, how did so many of them manage to stay out of prison when they got spit on repeatedly after coming back from 'Nam. Maybe they are really quite docile.
You're saying that vets are more violent than non vets.
Dude, you really need to work on the reading comp and then Logic 101. Regardless, don't bogart whatever it is you're smoking...
Also, I completely agree with Sally's last point
Me too.
but most officers aren't "True Believers" in the sense that they fiercely Republican or Democrat.
Have you read "The New American Militarism" by Andrew Bacevich?
He makes the argument that most of the officer corps is becoming more and more attacted to the Evangelicals.
The Air Force Academy scandal would seem to bear this out.
I know one of them was brave enough to spit on Jane Fonda.
Dude, you really need to work on the reading comp and then Logic 101.
He's apparently too busy misreading history.
No time!!
truth,
Where are your values punk? How about putting them into action by heading down the recruiting office?
What? Oh I get it. You support the war provided you don't have ot fight it. Well that is a very macho stance.
Pathetic.
You cannot imagine what a beautiful, gentle color of pink the western sky just turned behind the pine trees.
Hecate |
Probably the result of volcanoes in Guatemala...or somewhere like that.
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka...) "no.
the machine will blame the left . . .
there will be vigilantism, violent jingoism . . . then there will be no left in Murka anymore . . ."
This is why the machine must be taken down first. There must be no doubt of the absoluter perfidy of those in power.
I've got Brahms clarinet quintets on, just finished a tasty salad and recently discovered there are naked ladies on the internets.... hundreds of 'em!
Ripley
Beautiful! I am listening to Arthur Rubinstein play Brahm's Piano Trio No. 3.
I love Brahms.
That's the fatal assumption the German Communists made, that Hitler would discredit the German right, that all they had to do is sit back passively and watch it happen.
Uh, Hitler did discredit the German right when he lost the war. You're looking at the wrong point in history.
The State Department's, asshole.
Thersites
Shorter Thersites: nada
Now that's what I'm talking about: the Bush State Dept is so full of shit!
Jeez, I think I need to call rural metro. My monitor is starting to smoke.
Dude, you really need to work on the reading comp and then Logic 101. Regardless, don't bogart whatever it is you're smoking...
What's to comprehed.
WGG said that he was going to shoot it out with whoever came to get him.
Violent fantasy #1.
FLG was living vicariously through the idea that Incognito was going to kick my ass because he was a vet.
Violent Fantasy #2.
If people on the left are thinking this way, what do you think people on the right say in private?
Then we need Stalin to purge the officer corps.
SWR is a troll. He is using the old troll trick of pretending that he is on our side. But more left wing.
And how "defensive" do you think most vets and most conservatives in "red" America are going to be when Iraq falls apart?
"Red" America is a figment of the press' imagination. While there were a few states that went overwhelmingly for the Bush Boy, most states were pretty evenly split. I just got back from FL a week ago and while there, met a lot of folks that hated the Bushes. Even the guy that searched my bag at the Tampa airport hated Bush.
SWR - what is the deal with the take on "Iraq falls apart"? It's already fallen, my brother.
Uh, Hitler did discredit the German right when he lost the war.
Most of those German communists were dead by then.
I have always had violent fantasies about purging the officer corps. Disloyal fucks!
No, I haven't read Bacevich's book, but I've known him personally since 1981 when we were in the Cavalry in Germany.
I wrote piece on my blog about the Air Force Academy proselytizing scandal. (I taught there for 3 years). And yes, I've been out for over 6 years, so things may have changed - but I can't believe the trend is as marked as you suggest - I still have a lot of friends in the Army, and this is not an issue with them.
Shorter Thersites: na...
____P^ ____P^ ____P^ ____P^*
(licking self disdainfully, leg up, tail towards troll)
I love Brahms.
That's too bad, truth, because I know for a fact that Brahms hates you.
Jeez, I think I need to call rural metro. My monitor is starting to smoke.
That might be a good idea.
OK--I guess the consensus is that we're dealing with the real SWR, whom I've never seen in anger mode before.
I'll add SWR-wise that I'm one of the few people here who actually has praised Pat Buchanan--he made some forceful cases for against the Iraq debacle from a conservative perspective. He was also in favor of an immediate and thorough draw-down of US overseas forces after to Soviets imploded.
Then he not only endorsed W, but happily hooked for the Swifties. A thousand curses upon him now and forever--I was hoping for some principled split on the right.
"Red" America is a figment of the press' imagination.
Yes. It is. So is "blue" America. I live in a "blue" state.
I walk a mile in any direction and I bet I'll count at least 100 black MIA flags.
Who do you think those people voted for?
I see very few displays against the war. And my congressional district went for Kerry by at least 70% to 30%.
i'd say about 1 to 5 % of the world's population doesn't hate Bush.
Ripley,
Really? Naked ladies? Did they see your profile and think you're cute and want to talk to you live? I get emails from them all the time.
I wrote piece on my blog about the Air Force Academy proselytizing scandal. (I taught there for 3 years).
Yikes!!
You probably taught all my cousins.
That's too bad, truth, because I know for a fact that Brahms hates you.
NTodd
Well, if that's true, I will throw on Tosca and turn it up to 10.
WGG said that he was going to shoot it out with whoever came to get him.
Violent fantasy #1.
I've read kono's stuff for a long time now, and I for one, tend to take the old boy seriously when he says he'll bust a cap in someone's ass.
Those people are living in a fantasy world. There are no living 'Nam era POW-MIAs
should the Confederacy be considered a known terrorist organization? Just wonderin' - Agent Orange
No, they were traitors to the United States of America.
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MisterX -- 8:51 pm
they're not mutually exclusive, i think...certainly Nathan Bedford Forrest was a terrorist, especially after the War...the James brothers? terrorists for the south? Quantrill?...
probably McVeigh was a traitor and a terrorist...
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but I can't believe the trend is as marked as you suggest -
FWIW, I hope you're right. I hope we get some kind of centrist coalition that's able to stabilize things when Iraq falls apart. I hope the military is still relatively apolitical.
I hope I'm wrong. I'm afraid I'm not.
I know several.
four legs good | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 8:33 pm | #
OK. No anecdotal evidence.
How do the numbers of the 2004 election break down in terms of active duty military personel?
SWR | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 8:34 pm |
IIRC, a poll suggested that 58% of the military supported Bush in the 2004 election.
Then he not only endorsed W, but happily hooked for the Swifties. A thousand curses upon him now and forever--I was hoping for some principled split on the right.
Fat chance, eh?
The man is a wackadoo, pure and simple. Listening to him babble on about how watergate lost us Vietnam is enough to make me want to bang my head on a wall. He should be in an institution, not on cable tv.
Well, Hecate, for only $19.95/month I can gain access to the rest of their websites, with stuff that's too hot for the main pages. Mmmm too hot... anyone else like Kool & the Gang?
anyhoo - I've got it pinned down to 12 or 16 likely candidates. Just a matter of determining whose hot stuff is hotter.... mmmm hot stuff...
Any Donna Summer fans here, btw?
Anybody have anything Fun to talk about this evening? - Ripley
OK. I dug into my RECORD collection today and remembered how frikkin' great Bowie's Rise an Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars is... I first heard this album in it's entirety on the local FM station's Midnight Album Hour while mopping the floor of a pizza joint back in 1977... quite an eye(ear?)-opener.
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George's Mom
most cancer is not fatal. swap the two and that is my point exactly. baron bunnypants is full blown aids.
-J.T.
Well, if that's true, I will throw on Tosca and turn it up to 10.
Tosca hates you too.
And forget about Ravel- he only has contempt for you.
Son. Of. A. Bitch.
My block has turned in to Rat-Freaking-City during the last month.
I just went to get some ice cream and a huge one ran right down the sidewalk on my way to Bway and then another fucker ran into the street from under a parked car on my way back.
I just got off the phone with Bloomberg's 311. SHIT! I hate rats.
The man is a wackadoo, pure and simple. Listening to him babble on about how watergate lost us Vietnam is enough to make me want to bang my head on a wall. He should be in an institution, not on cable tv.
Pat Buchanan has picture of someone doing something.
It's the only thing that explains why he still gets on the air.
The alternative is worse, that a lot of the country is closer to him, to Liddy, and to Colson than we think.
Uh, Hitler did discredit the German right when he lost the war.
Most of those German communists were dead by then.
Oh, touche.
Fresh thread for Sci-Fi Blogging would be appreciated...
Are we on?
Crimson Force is starting!
NTodd, I meant to tell you - I was going to use Working Class Hero in a podcast recently, too, but forgot about it.
Must be the times....
Is there a circular firing squad here? Is a troll succeeding? Are the speculations worth the ppaer they (aren't) written on?
Do we think that the invasion of Iraq was wrong & do we think the occupation should end?
Can we find some common ground here, Moonbats?
I mean, we've got Martians and C. Thomas Howell - how can this not rock?
My block has turned in to Rat-Freaking-City during the last month.
That sucks.
Where in the city are you (generally)?
Maybe they've baited the park again and the rats have moved into your block.
I was at USAFA from 93-96. When were your cousins there?
Crimson Force.
Oooooooooh scary Martian's. Am I gonna have to check under the bed for them too.
Mars Bitches 2037 ce.
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Man, that C. Thomas Howell is steely and decisive.
He'd make a great preznit.
"Bambi" is on ABC.
I don't think I ever saw "Bambi" when I was a kid. I sense that something terrible is going to happen here.
RIL,
That sucks. We've got rats in DC, too, both four-legged and two-legged. Foggy Bottom has always been the worst for the four-legged kind for some reason.
The alternative is worse, that a lot of the country is closer to him, to Liddy, and to Colson than we think.
Best argument for national healthcare I've heard yet.
Best possible outcome when Iraq falls apart.
Something like the fillabuster deal.
Centrists from both parties come together and stabilize things, put a lid on the "stab in the back" talk and reign in the extremists.
But I don't see anybody in the political center dealing realistically with Iraq. I don't see McCain doing it. I don't see anybody in the Democratic party doing it.
I see them calling for escalation.
Hecate--were I not happily married, I'd certainly bat my eyes in Ripley's direction
Bowie's Rise an Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mar
Ahhhhhh. Got my first culminating blow job from Miss Melody Tremblay listening to Ziggy on an 8 track in Melody's 1968 Rambler Rebel.
Also took her to see the Ziggy concert in early '73. The next day the POW's from Viet Nam came home.
I will throw on Tosca and turn it up to 10.
Turn it up to 11, nimrod.
Oh shit,
They got them a Russian. Can't bode well, and
"everything is spiking, my readings are totally scrambled"
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You cannot imagine what a beautiful, gentle color of pink the western sky just turned behind the pine trees.
Hecate -- 9:00 pm
well, yeah, dahlin, i can, and i envy you its calm beauty...we had a pastel sky last night...sunset's still 90 minutes off here tonight...
but it was such a glorious day!!!
cool!!! crystal clear, 80, max, and breezy, but not killer windy...you could smell the mixture of the wild tea roses and honeysuckle all along the ditch this morning...
have a glorious evenin', goddess...
Res Ipsa Loquitur
Bambi...OMG I cried and cried for weeks
Wow! That was close!
Was that what was supposed to happen?
Where in the city are you (generally)?
I'm up by Columbia. We have had the occasional one, for sure. But there has been a definite increase over the last few weeks. I talked to a couple of people in my building and we're all just calling 311 today. There's no new construction around, so I don't know where the bastards are coming from. They're fucking BIG.
Ravel hates my guts. I piss him off every time I try to play the third movement of Sonatine.
Crimson Force is starting!
Holy shit, I almost forgot, thanks!
Well, I can't live blog with you guys, I have to put my place back together.... but I'll be watching and be with you in snarky spirit.
Hey sally- sad news.... Max the cat apparently disappeared before I could go pick him up.
We're hoping he'll turn up tomorrow. Bummer, eh? 
I mean, the hard right is delusional on Iraq.
Do you say anybody at all in the center or on the left confronting them?
Reid and the Democrats fought Bill Frist on the courts.
I don't see any of them fighting Bush on Iraq.
How do you go from being silent on it for fear of an electoral backlash to this backlash against Bush from the left.
I don't see it.
Billy B, won't Melody Tremblay be in for a shock next time she googles her own name. hehehe
I was going to use Working Class Hero in a podcast recently, too, but forgot about it
Lennon's or Tin Machine's?
Wow, political-economic arguments on Mars.
RIL
Study for the bar. DON'T WATCH BAMBI. IT WILL MAKE YOU CRY. TRUST ME ON THIS.
Tosca hates you too.
And forget about Ravel- he only has contempt for you.
four legs good
What about Sibelius? Can I play him? Or Rachmaninoff's second in C minor?
Nice Landing, lucky them they picked the smooth spot, and a nice precipice, with a view.
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I saw "Bay" Buchanan on C-Span last night.
Looks like her brother Pat in drag - NOT an attractive women (as if any on the right are).
Same old BS - railing against illegal immigrants in front of an audience of her fellow fascists. That entire family is SO one-note.
I guess they call her "Bay" because that's what she does whenever she sees a full moon. Eeeecccch!
...a poll suggested that 58% of the military supported Bush in the 2004 election.
I'm sure they are pleased with their choice.
The grunts throughout all of the branches liked Runsfeld's sort of in your face attitude, however that act has worn thin.
The officers never liked him, and rightfully blame him for how FUBAR things are.
When he tossed the Powell Doctrine out like so much garbage he lost many of them. They know that Iraq did not need to happen in the half-assed way it has happened.
So far, shitty special effects and lame dialogue...we're on schedule!
Study for the bar. DON'T WATCH BAMBI. IT WILL MAKE YOU CRY.
And studying for the bar won't?
Those people are living in a fantasy world. There are no living 'Nam era POW-MIAs
Nick Dixon
Marine Corps VietNam era friends of mine all agree. The people who perpetuate the MIA stories have "other issues".
One told me even if they were 110% sure that a Marine was killed they would record it as MIA if they couldn't get the body out. That way the survivors would get more and extended benefits than if they reported him KIA and the body unrecoverable.
Something to that effect.
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Good old ZyCorp, subsidiary of Halliburton.
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good reading over at msnbc concerning bolton and the deceptions leading up to Iraq
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8099747/
While I wish I could live blog Sci-Fi, I am inexpressably happy about these s'mores I'm consuming.
4Leggers--I'll burn a candle for Max to return to you tonight!
Well... with great deeds come great risks.
That's very funny.
I really hate those bastards! too much power in too few hands!!!
That one was pretty good.
Tosca hates you too.
four legs good
For those of you who don't know, Tosca is an opera written by Puccini.
From the comment I am pretty sure four legs had no clue.
they're not mutually exclusive, i think...certainly Nathan Bedford Forrest was a terrorist, especially after the War...the James brothers? terrorists for the south? Quantrill?...
probably McVeigh was a traitor and a terrorist...
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka...)
Good points... and naturally add the post-war Klan to the list of terrorist organizations.
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Jeff Fahey!
Government agent infiltration! And only 9 minutes in!
Oh, WGG, there's nothing like honeysuckle.
What about Sibelius? Can I play him? Or Rachmaninoff's second in C minor?
Jan says you're a gunky. And if you can't play the Rach 3, you're no better than my cat when he runs across the keyboard...
RIL
Study for the bar.
Hecate ... I'm trying, but it's just too overwhelming at this point. Does this happen to you? The project you are facing is so big that you just shut down? This happened to me this week. I could not keep up with the BarBri schedule so I stopped trying. Now I am behind.
Tomorrow is graduation (and a party). I think I have to get through that and then (hopefully) I will settle into this.
As for "Bambi" I can tell that it will freak me out. My dad took me to see "Snow White" when I was little. He fell asleep and woke up to find my hysterical because she was in that fucking glass coffin. I am still not over it.
NTodd--we still have pineapple upside down cook. Have you been a good enough boy for a second slice?
FLG
has a beast and it's gone missing?!?!
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I will throw on Tosca and turn it up to 10.
Turn it up to 11, nimrod.
NTodd -- 9:15 pm
Tosca's one of those it almost doesn't matter who's singin it...
fwiw: i worked as a set builder/stagehand for the Santa Fe Opera when i was a really still a boy, and Tosca was one of the shows that first summer I worked there.
they had an old, kidney-shaped, concrete pool around which were arranged rehearsal spaces, under the shade of pine trees. rose bushes everywhere. everywhere you walked, there was yet another sterling voice declaiming some proud melody. the orchestra...
when i hear opera anymore, i have to mentally put on my black coveralls and hunker down behind a set, or in the wings...waitin for the lights to dim...
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One told me even if they were 110% sure that a Marine was killed they would record it as MIA if they couldn't get the body out. That way the survivors would get more and extended benefits than if they reported him KIA and the body unrecoverable.
Something to that effect.
Actually that's true. My dad (AF) said all the pilots in his wing had an agreement that they would report anyone who went down as MIA if they could get away with it.
The widows would get full pay that way.
"Bambi" is on ABC.
I don't think I ever saw "Bambi" when I was a kid. I sense that something terrible is going to happen here.
Res Ipsa Loquitur
When I was 6, my dad took me to see "Old Yeller"
At the end, they were getting ready to shoot the dog when he got rabies.
I carried on, screaming. My dad picked me up and carried me out of there.
When he got home, he said to my mom, "If I knew they were going to shoot a dog in this picture, I would never have taken HER!"
The people who perpetuate the MIA stories have "other issues".
But the MIA propganda would seem to me to indicate that it's the most visible, popularly supported political movement in the country.
There isn't a firehouse, a police station, a pizza place in Northern New Jersey that doesn't have some MIA symbol.
I personally don't think it's about the MIA issue at all. I think it's some general statement that "we'll support the military whatever they do" and "we hate Kerry" statement.
But it's everywhere.
Don't wear red, did Star Trek teach you nothing?
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This Mars spaceship has very loud doors.
"There might still be a way out of this mess!"
Lennon - I never picked up any Bowie or TM on disc.
Oh shit. Bambi's mommy is gone.
For those of you who don't know, Tosca is an opera written by Puccini.
From the comment I am pretty sure four legs had no clue.
Puccini, Paganini, what's the difference? Somehow this reminds me of the movie Crimson Tide (no relation to Crimson Force).
Seriously, SWR, the chair force academy's proximity to the midwest's center of religious wingnutism is the problem there. Reach out and touch the hand of God and all that. The Point and Annapolis don't have that problem. The centrists all know Colin Powell was right. You break it, you own it. We broke it, we own it. We will be there for awhile. Our policy could change, but I doubt it.
Eli and Todd, see the hot science babe?
Good points... and naturally add the post-war Klan to the list of terrorist organizations.
I take exception to that!
That's not a tetrahedron...
Eli and Todd, see the hot science babe?
And British, too!
It's everywhere? Northern NJ is everywhere? why did I ever leave?
I have two things to say.
1. Buchanen is a screwball. He reminds me of a gas tank with half a dozen rust holes.
2. I took day one of a two day 'Final Cut Pro' workshop today. I found it exhausting. Retaining abstract knowledge is hard on me. But once you have the basics down you probably can use it to good advantage. Yep, the 'final cut pro' advantage. It'll get ya the girl every time.
My dad took me to see "Snow White" when I was little. He fell asleep and woke up to find my hysterical because she was in that fucking glass coffin. I am still not over it.
Res Ipsa Loquitur
I loved how with Disney, he always sent the message that (a) a woman was nothing without a man; and (b) any woman with power was a bitch (the Queen, Maleficent - I thought Maleficent was COOL, etc.).
has a beast and it's gone missing?!?!
No, I was going to adopt a homeless kitty living by a friend's house but he's gone missing before I could go get him.
We're hoping that he's inside a neighbor's garage.
RIL--turn off Bambi NOW and switch to Scifi. I promise you will be crying all night if you continue.
Eli & Todd--2 hot science babes! Think we can expect a catfight?
sallyh - I couldn't eat another bite. Just demolished my 4th s'more.
kent - everything I needed to know, I learned from Star Trek.
"Me, Spock, Bones, Scottie and Lt. Redshirtowitz will beam down to this unknown and likely hostile planet..."
Opera is the Teri Schaivo of art forms.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD - PULL THE PLUG !
Man, with all of that TMP, this Mars occupation will easily pay for itself! Woohoo!
BTW, Evening, Batties! *waves*
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EDINBURG — A man who made national news in 2000 by producing an anti-Al Gore television ad featuring his stepdaughter is now charged in Hidalgo County with multiple counts of molesting the girl and another young relative.
KARMA, bitches, KARMA!
Eli & Todd--2 hot science babes! Think we can expect a catfight?
I don't think the second babe is a *science* babe.
OK
I see that there is a serious lag on me sattelite dish.
damn.
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Baloney. I'm a vet, my son's active duty, my father's a vet, etc., and we all voted against President AWOL and the ruin he has brought to the military services and veterans.
I would think that Bunnypants won the military vote by a smaller margin than 2000, at least to the degree that it were accurately reported. And I wonder how much vote suppression there was of troops in Iraq. I know there was some, through the uusual techniques of late processing, slow mail, and so forth.
A recent report issued by the National Defense Committee, a nonprofit organization that supports the U.S. military and encourages veterans to run for elective office, recently found that 25 percent of ballots cast by military personnel in the 2004 presidential election went uncounted. Incredibly, that rate of disenfranchisement could be even higher due to the fact that the study relied on voluntary disclosure of information from local election officials.
Paginini was in King Crimson?
It's everywhere? Northern NJ is everywhere? why did I ever leave?
Northern New Jersey is *slightly* more liberal than the country as a whole.
And the most visible political statement is support for the MIA movement.
What's it like in Dallas or Colorodo Springs or Atlanta?
Puccini, Paganini, what's the difference?
Oh, my. There is quite a difference.
Ravel hates my guts. I piss him off every time I try to play the third movement of Sonatine.
St. Janet the Naughty
Bit of a handfull, isn't it? I worked on Debussy's Masques all summer one year without playing it well enough to play.
Still haven't.
Marine Corps VietNam era friends of mine all agree. The people who perpetuate the MIA stories have "other issues".
Once the right wing sets up an industry around something like this there isn't any reasoning about it. The exploitation of people in denial over this issue is despicable.
Eli and Todd, see the hot science babe?
Gah! I don't get teevee out here in BFE. Though I'm thinking about getting satellite Internet access...
Sweet!!!
Mellish--come here and sit down, boy!
Oh kool!!!
Eyeballs bursting!!
That had to be the worse special effect ever.
Actually,
i knew right away that I wanted to be Malificent.
SWR, you may never convince those yahoos that the evil VC don't have our boys in slave labor camps, at age 50 and up. But you can have the facts.
http://www.miafacts.org/
Billy B, won't Melody Tremblay be in for a shock next time she googles her own name
Ripley,
Sadly, Miss Melody left us back in '88.
One of the loves of my life.
Okay, I got my eyeball-popping/head-exploding fix, I'm good for the weekend.
Sallyh--My mother was deeply hesitant to take me to Bambi when she heard that the early scene where hunters kill B's mother was famously traumatic to children.
She was then offended when I went through it dry-eyed, and bitched about my callousness for years.
Actually that's true. My dad (AF) said all the pilots in his wing had an agreement that they would report anyone who went down as MIA if they could get away with it.
The widows would get full pay that way.
four legs good |
I read an article a while ago that the US is still spending something like 100 million dollars a year (or was it 10 ?) looking for soldier's remains in SE Asia. They typically get parts from about 10 or 15 guys a year. Mainly investigating crash sites and rushed burials by villagers of US dead. It might have been New Yorker Mag about a year ago.
I remember the dollars amounts were really high. Oh well, I guess it's the right thing to do.
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I personally don't think it's about the MIA issue at all. I think it's some general statement that "we'll support the military whatever they do" and "we hate Kerry" statement.
But it's everywhere.
SWR
The same people with the ridiculous MADE IN CHINA magnet ribbons on their SUVs.
SWR, you may never convince those yahoos that the evil VC don't have our boys in slave labor camps, at age 50 and up. But you can have the facts.
I don't think it's about the MIAs. I think it's a statement of support for the right and for militarism in general.
I wish I could say I saw an equal number of "Bush Lied People Died" stickers.
But in suburbia at least, the MIA movement is very mainstream. Everybody supports it and visibly supports it.
We're hoping that he's inside a neighbor's garage.
I am hoping as well, and am very happy for you that you are ready for another friend.
I will send
oooooooh nasty eye bugging scene
good vibes of the cat finding kind down yer way.
Billy B - Well, hell. That certainly beats the shit out of mopping a pizza joint. But it was a very zen thing... me, the mop, the floor, the empty restaurant, all eight giant celing speakers cranked up...
BLANG BLANG
I'm an alligator
BLANG BLANG
I'm a mama-papa coming for you
I'm the space invader,
I'll be a rock 'n' rollin' bitch for you
Just wow.
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You have a nice solid hard core of crazed individuals in the good ol' u.s.a.
I'm pretty sure there are many, many W.W 1 veterans being held in Germany today.
Tosca's one of those it almost doesn't matter who's singin it...
Leontyne Price sure does it nicely.
She was then offended when I went through it dry-eyed, and bitched about my callousness for years.
LOL! Today they'd drag you to a shrink, screeching that you lack empathy and are certainly a serial-killer-in-training.
Off to swill some kind of whine with liberal elites, while explaining a recent (this puppy is a half hour old) entra-penurial idea, that involves relieving rich frat kids of their terribly hard earned cash.
But not to worry, I'll be back.
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Hammerhead Shark Frenzy!!!
We have something to look for.
Bambi Meets Godzilla is a wonderous film for children. At least it doesn't last long. About ten seconds. One of the shorted films ever made.
Hammerhead looks awesome!
Since composers have been brought up, here's something I've wanted to get off my chest for the past several days. George Rochberg was a composer who was not famous for his compositions but for his being one of the leaders in the "back to tonality" scam. His own compositions, both before and after his road to Damascus moment, are rather more modest than his reputation supports.
If he had kept quiet about it I'd imagine that he would be about as well known as Peggy Glanville-Hicks, A somewhat better composer.
Speaking of Viet Nam and the military, did you hear that Stallone is going to produce Rambo IV? Iirc, he has a family and they're kidnapped or some such...
I just don't know what to even think about that...
Yes, SWR, Ted Sampley, one of the biggest con artists behind the POWMIA cash cow, was behind the McCain and Cleland smear in 2000. He was almost connected to the swift boat clowns, but they dumped him quick, they knew he was bad press.
Draco--you made up for me. I was hysterical. My da had to take me out.
Mellish--come here and sit down, boy!
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
Doing laundry and my daughter's here, so more of a drive-by tonight. It's on in the background though, and I am always with you gentle SciFi batties in spirit.
They do seem to be hitting the halliburton thing pretty hard. C. Thomas Howell - neocon space explorer!
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OT: Potential replacement for Bolton.
20:47 Kuwait City. The Speaker of the Kuwaiti Parliament assailed US Ambassador Richard LeBaron for insisting that Kuwait adopt an anti-Iranian stance, and stated that the speech represented undue interference in Kuwait's affairs. A spokesman for Kuwaiti Foreign Minister Hamid Reza Assefi criticized the Defense Minister for having permitted the US Ambassador to give such a speech at a closed-door conference at Kuwait's military academy.
Stallone was stuck in school in Switzerland at the time. He wanted to enlist, but he couldn't get a flight out.
Paginini was in King Crimson?
No, you're confusing him with Bill Buford. Common mistake.
Have you ever watched Fantasia on 'slow?' there are all sorts of lurid depictions. i.e. ''nikkedness''
Yes, SWR, Ted Sampley, one of the biggest con artists behind the POWMIA cash cow, was behind the McCain and Cleland smear in 2000. He was almost connected to the swift boat clowns, but they dumped him quick, they knew he was bad press.
Did you see that guy from "Rolling Thunder" Artie Muller on MSNBC?
He's utterly, totally completely batshit insane.
And yet nobody called him on anything.
Edgar Varese was a tremendous influence on Frank Zappa.
they're not mutually exclusive, i think...certainly Nathan Bedford Forrest was a terrorist, especially after the War...the James brothers? terrorists for the south? Quantrill?...
probably McVeigh was a traitor and a terrorist...
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka...)
Good points... and naturally add the post-war Klan to the list of terrorist organizations.
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MisterX |
OK Now here's a tough one worthy of discussion. John Brown .... raid at Harper's Ferry and the other battles. Terrorist or non?
Terry - funny you should mention that about the Disney villianesses. They're still putting one in almost every new animated feature.
One of the "glued" tableaux I made with my friend was called "Temple of the Monster Women" because we kept finding so many montrous female happy meal figures. It actually turned out to be our most politically meaningful work, featuring vignettes of all the stereotypical evils (Eve and the apple, prostitutes, society matrons, witchcraft, etc) associated with the gender, while at the same time it featured mass media images of women and what they should strive to be...essentially asking which depiction of women was more monstrous.
Best of all, on the top tier of the pyramid, it featured decapitated Barbie heads on columns, flanking a Maleficent toy figurine.
When I put up my blog I might post some photos of it and the other pieces.
who's bill buford? 
"LOL! Today they'd drag you to a shrink, screeching that you lack empathy and are certainly a serial-killer-in-training."
You mean he's not???
I am sooooooooooo disappointed.
Mr. X -
I'm hip.
Actually, the climax was during the title cut. Sorry for all the lurid details, gang.
Moonage Daydream is about my favorite Bowie song. That, Queen Bitch, and Width of a Circle, where Mick Ronson does his best Jeffy Beck impersonations.
I take that back. Ronno was great. Influenced by Jeff, but he didn't impersonate. Translated, maybe.
Sumerian Cuneiform on Mars?
Good fucking grief.
Bruce Eberle is another one who's made a boat load of money off POWMIA thing.
I'd go with the Bernaise sauce, myself.
I'm not complaining about Stallone or his service(?). The MIA discussion made me remember the new movie.
Stallone was stuck in school in Switzerland at the time. He wanted to enlist, but he couldn't get a flight out.
All them colored folks took the last seats on the plane...
Sumerian Cuneiform on Mars?
Good fucking grief.
Where do you think the Sumertians came from?
And is the chickenshit guy supposed to be French? His accent is so godawful, I can't tell.
Did the production people not see any of the film sent back from mars rover?
No, you're confusing him with Bill Buford. Common mistake.
NTodd
Bruford? He is an astounding drummer.
Bruce Eberle is another one who's made a boat load of money off POWMIA thing.
Who gets the $$$ from the sale of those flags?
Jennifer I think the number of artists who make art with Barbie (saw, hack, drill, burn, 'adjust,' rearrange, etc..) must constitute a veritable subculture
Have you ever watched Fantasia on 'slow?' there are all sorts of lurid depictions. i.e. ''nikkedness''
Ah, the Pastorale...
who's bill buford?
Prog rock drummer. Member f Yes and King Crimson.
And is the chickenshit guy supposed to be French?
Beats me.
I'd go with the bernaise sauce too.
"i knew right away that I wanted to be Malificent."
Hecate--you don't suppose this influenced your career path in any way, do you?
Can we find some common ground here, Moonbats?
Prior Aelred -9:13 pm
i believe you know my sentiments in the matter, but allow me to rehearse them:
the invasion/conquest/occupation/rapine of iraq is a war crime of globally historical proportions, one which metastacizes in magnitude of Imperial murder every day it continues to attract a single shred of support from anyone.
to withdraw from Iraq is quite impossible for the busheviks, of course.
rather than to be forced to do so, they will resort to any and all low deeds, lies, and subterfuges. they will permit more of us to die, if by doing so they may incite more loyalty to their regime...
do not doubt that for a single microsecond...and take whatever measures you must in light of the information...
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That's why the myth of hippie spit prevails. It's a touchy subject, calling a vet on his claims. The SEAL and other elite units step in when the claims go from hippie abuse to rambo style stories of great feats of combat performed by cooks or people like Stallone, who don't preface their tall tales with, "Let me pitch you my script". that site I gave you has a link to Bo Gritz escapades, big phony war hero. He was the guy that actually did what they claimed Kerry did.
Okay, must go eat nachos.
4Legs--they couldn't afford a set designer, so they borrowed a high school drama club.
Dude, you should know better than to touch the mysterious glowing blue thing in the power cabinet...
Bruford?
Sorry, I have a cold.
He is an astounding drummer.
Finally, some common fucking ground between us.
Res,
Tomorrow is graduation (and a party). I think I have to get through that and then (hopefully) I will settle into this.
Congratulations! Par-tey! Chin up, old girl! You'll do just swell at the bar exams.
"Fantasia"'s a great stoner movie.
Errr, a friend told me.
Also "True Stories."
I haven't heard the Sumerian cuneiform on Mars before but close.
Teaching once at a summer art school I 'bunked' with a traditional watercolourist, mild mannered, etc... who one night suddenly began speaking of mathematical theories linking Egypt to structures on Mars.
that site I gave you has a link to Bo Gritz escapades, big phony war hero. He was the guy that actually did what they claimed Kerry did.
Why didn't Kerry simply call out the Swift Boat guys during the election.
Or have his people constantly pounding the media about the shady past of the Swift Boat guys?
Why? Why? Why?
He knew it was coming.
Was it just censorship by the media?
Edgar Varese was a tremendous influence on Frank Zappa.
Nick Dixon
On the cover of his first album Frank Zappa had quite a long list of composers who had influenced him. I think he must have listened to Luigi Nono a bit but don't remember if he was on the list.
A friend of mine says that Luigi Nono is the composer for people who would like to get their ears turned around the rest of the way from Frank Zappa.
Sumerian Cuneiform on Mars?
Good fucking grief.
where's ChiDyke? That's her specialty (sorta, errrr, ummmm)...
Bambi's mom was killed so early in the movie...I don't know how I sat through the rest of the movie. I just remember sniffling but jeez it must hve been for over an hour.
SWR
Do a google search or just read all the info at that site. That's Col. Joe Schlatter's site. He worked with Kerry on the issue. Very informative. Tons of real facts. Not myths con artist's nonsense
http://www.miafacts.org/
Wasn't Stallone teaching vollyball or something? And wasn't it a girls' school? That's the way I remember it.
I don't know if it was before he'd made that porno movie or not.
Hey, GWPDA, is your case on the calendar yet for trail? Please keep us informed of what's going on with the suit.
She got all that from Sumerian cuneiform?
Edgar Varese was a tremendous influence on Frank Zappa.
Mucho props to Nicky Dixx for the correct Zappa reference.
Since at least some of us are on the subject of Bambi, has anyone else noticed that Lion King is a rewrite of it? I Googled as much and got only a few bloggers/Amazon reviewers, no Frank Riches or Roger Eberts.
Harry Cohn, head of Columbia Studios, was mocked when the Gunga Din screenplay he turned down became a hit in '39. He said he already owned The Front Page, and he was, in a sense, right. Screenwriters Hecht/MacArthur had adapted the Kipling poem to fit the plot of their their proven hit.
Is there really a Luigi Nono? It sounds like one of Frank's goofs.
"it's not a little green man!"
"Fantasia"'s a great stoner movie.
Whilst in undergrad, my friends and I took acid and went to see Fantasia at the weekly on-campus movie-showing thing. We started off in the balcony, and ended up down in the very front row, staring up, utterly absorbed.
Two hours later, we were still going up. And as we were leaving, oddly enough, we saw two psych professors hanging out in the lobby, chatting and looking around.
Faculty NEVER came to these things.
And the prof whose class I'd taken looked straight at me and smiled...
you should know better than to touch the mysterious glowing blue thing in the power cabinet...
At the very least, you should wear an anti-static wrist strap. And a condom.
Trial -- not trail
FZ. we need guys like that today.
woody to add to your post I think at this moment of the environment falling apart quicker than we think they are also trying to destroy the past: iraqui manuscripts, etc...smashing the cradle of civilization with uranium coated shells, etc...
it's extrordinarily hideous. but that adide man did you see Paris Hilton's new video?
Do a google search or just read all the info at that site.
I'm reading it now. Very good site. It's interesting to see the actual beliefs of the people behind all those MIA flags.
Like this conspiracy theory.
Here's a bombshell story you haven't seen in the national media.
A highly-decorated Army Special Forces officer, now retired and running a POW search network from Bangkok, tells us that the Vietnamese army is itching to release 572 Americans, now being held in Laos camps.
The Vietnamese military, according to Major Mark W. Smith, fears being held responsible for war crimes should it kill the men, as the Hanoi politburo is urging.
Vietnam knows the Clinton Administration is on the brink of restoring full trade and diplomatic relations.
The POWs, held for two decades as "bargaining chips" and "trophies of war", are now being dumped into Laos, under the care of three Vietnamese divisions, which prop up the puppet government there.
It is these divisions which control the POWs - and wish to get rid of them, according to Smith. Smith made his revelation on July 13, 1994 on the AIM TV show "The Other Side Of The Story". He formerly headed a top-secret Special Forces unit based in South Korea, that in the early 1980's was tasked to search for American MIAs in Southeast Asia.
We met Smith when he was in Washington to speak at the annual conference of the National Alliance of Families, headed by Dolores Alfond of Bellevue, Washington. Her brother is an MIA. Both Smith and Alfond appeared on our TV show.
Smith's efforts seemed about to bear fruit in 1983, when he was promised the release of three Americans.
Then superior officials whom he cannot identify intervened, and he was abruptly stripped of his assignment and forced out of the army on trumped-up charges.
do not doubt that for a single microsecond...and take whatever measures you must in light of the information...
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yep
t's everywhere? Northern NJ is everywhere? why did I ever leave?
Northern New Jersey is *slightly* more liberal than the country as a whole.
And the most visible political statement is support for the MIA movement.
What's it like in Dallas or Colorodo Springs or Atlanta?
SWR |
I live in Southern NJ.
A friend of mine just sent an newspaper article about NJ being "the gayest state in the US" because of all of the gay folks in place like Collingswood, Asbury Park, etc.
I have a WINDOWS Q.... Somehow the bar that runs along the bottom of the screen that shows what windows I have open has migrated so it is running up the right side of my screen, i.e., vertically.
How do I fix this, i.e., make it run horizontally along the bottom again?
(I don'tknow how to work my own computer).
So, what? They flew to Mars to steal the sophisticated concept of circuit breakers?
ping
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Finally, some common fucking ground between us.
NTodd
You might not have thought it. I have a big Zappa collection by the way.
The wrist strap isn't anti-static, though. If it was it wouldn't work as a ground conduit to the chassis or some other ground.
Terrorist or non?
Agent Orange - 9:36 pm
i thought of that one, too
terrorist, si
traitor, no (with some rhetorical apprehension)
Sallyh,
I know for a fact that it did infuence my career. Do I want to be an idiot who gets all happy sweeping up after a bunch of dwarves or do I want to wear fantastic clothes and make magic potions? Hmmmmm.
Nope. It's Mr. I Didn't Study History Because My Mouth is Full of Boomer Nostalgia Guy.
Don't badmouth Boomers.
Res, you should be able to just click and drag it back to the bottom.
es
Just grab it and move it.
"Fantasia"'s a great stoner movie.
It's great stoned and sober. Fantasia 2000 sucks, tho.
Also "True Stories."
"This isn'ta rental car, it's privately owned."
Why didn't Kerry simply call out the Swift Boat guys during the election.
What do you suggest he should've done. Be specific. Do you really think that would've had any more impact than everybody else debunking the Swifties?
Baloney. I'm a vet, my son's active duty, my father's a vet, etc., and we all voted against President AWOL and the ruin he has brought to the military services and veterans.
Rock on, brother. Well done.
Man shot into space in casket decorated with Sumerian cuneiform.
"Carl had to do it. It was a life long dream."
"Now Carl is with the space gods."
Whilst in undergrad, my friends and I took acid and went to see Fantasia at the weekly on-campus movie-showing thing. We started off in the balcony, and ended up down in the very front row, staring up, utterly absorbed.
Star Wars, 1977, Cinema 150 (round theatre, over-sized, curved screen), purple pyramid LSD. Too fucking cool.
Melody T was there also.
Zappa was very much the kind of guy to find common ground between the left and the right. Wouldn't tolerate Tipper Gore anymore than he would wingers like Novak, today. And forget the fundies. He would chew them up.
Res Ipsa Loquitur: How do I fix this, i.e., make it run horizontally along the bottom again?
Grab it, drag it.
Easy-peasy.
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Wow a SG-1 ripoff with Dr. Who level production values.
You might not have thought it. I have a big Zappa collection by the way.
If you like Zappa, go over to iFilm and watch the video of him on "Crossfire" circa 1980. The usual wingnut suspects are there with Zappa, who comes off like the only sane person in the studio (which he was).
res you should be able to drag it bag
SCORE! I got his spear...
OW!
Hecate - that's why we always played with GI Joes instead of Barbies. GI Joe had all the cool accessories - dog sleds, ATVs, parachutes. You could play a real adventure with a GI Joe. All you could do with Barbie was put different clothes on her and hang around a pink house.
Zappa was very much the kind of guy to find common ground between the left and the right. Wouldn't tolerate Tipper Gore anymore than he would wingers like Novak, today.
Tipper Gore is not leftist.
Grab it, drag it.
Easy-peasy.
Done. Bless your heart, sir.
A friend of mine just sent an newspaper article about NJ being "the gayest state in the US" because of all of the gay folks in place like Collingswood, Asbury Park, etc.
Well, you can claim a "domestic partner" as an exemption on you NJ State Income tax.
But it's not Vermont or Massachussetts. And it's not NYC.
That's why I said "slightly more liberal". New Jersey tends to be about right in the center as far as politics goes. It's democratic because the Republicans have a bad organization.
But as I said, the MIA propaganda is everywhere. Maybe it's more wide spread here than the country as a whole, maybe they have a good organization. I dunno.
But it's a largely centrist state and the most visible political affiliation as far as I can see is with the MIA movement.
You don't find that even *slightly* disturbing?
sorry, click and drag it back
"Now Carl is with the space gods."
earl in toronto
Most men would give their right arm to be with the space gods for just one minute.
I have a big Zappa collection by the way.
Why Does It Hurt When I Pee?
The wrist strap isn't anti-static, though.
Yeah, sorry. Shouldn't try to edit mid-stream. Meant that you should touch something metal to discharge static. That way I'd have a series of three things. I'm big on odd numbers. I blame the Cabernet and slow dialup...
2001 was also a great stoner flick.
I recall the hippies in our small town. Front row. zonked on acid.
"the monolith man,the monolith.'
Speaking of Viet Nam and the military, did you hear that Stallone is going to produce Rambo IV? Iirc, he has a family and they're kidnapped or some such...
if that's true, it's just beyond fucking depraved.
al franken told of an encounter with stallone at some event. stallone asked franken about his uso trips to iraq and afghanistan and said that he'd been invited and wanted to go, but it was so dangerous he declined. franken's response, 'but you're rambo.'
Stallone was stuck in school in Switzerland at the time. He wanted to enlist, but he couldn't get a flight out.
Nick Dixon
Stallone supposedly had emotional problems. He attended a school here in my area, Devereux, for that.
After all, you have to be sane to be sent off to kill foreign folks.
Yup, the chickenshit guy *is* French...
Oh no the damn hunters are back
Tipper Gore is not leftist.
rorschach
I agree Rorschach, not to you and me, but try telling a Republican that.
Bambi's mom was killed so early in the movie...I don't know how I sat through the rest of the movie. I just remember sniffling but jeez it must hve been for over an hour.
scout prime
Hahahaha. I hear you. I remember my family laughing at me for Boo Hoo Hooing over the scene in "Dumbo" where he and mom met up while she was locked up for going mental.
And a *really* bad actor.
Oh no! They're being attacked by flubber!
Million Veteran March on Washington DC - 8 June 2005
Download this press release as an Adobe PDF document.
This march will inform the lawmakers in Washington DC and the American Public about the lack of adequate VA Funding, VA Performance and Veteran Benefits in General. All military veterans are encouraged to attend. Additionally, this March is opened to the Public and they are all invited.
(PRWEB) June 2, 2005 -- The purpose of this march is to bring to light the deep concern the veteran’s community has regarding the consistent under funding of the Veterans Affairs Health Care system.
Veterans have carried the message over and over to veteran’s organizations such as the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States, Disabled American Veterans, American Legion, Purple Heart Association and many others. Over the years, these organizations have been instrumental in gaining small changes and each year they are required to readdress the same.
The march will address the specific legislation requirements the veteran’s of this great country are planning to voice to the government. This will be conveyed by an organized march on the nation’s capital, Washington DC on June 8, 2005.
It is the veterans' intention to insure that the Congress, Senate and members of the Executive Branch hear them loud and clear. They no longer wish to tolerate the continued under funding of the VA Health Care system from this day forward.
This country owes veterans of the past, those who are serving now and those who will serve in the future, the very best of care.
Veterans and their supporters will ask the government to stop balancing the budget on the backs of veterans.
See you in DC!
See attached Discussion Paper By
Bobby R. Price, LT, USN (Ret.)
Desert Storm Veteran
and
Ms. Karyn Damian
US Army Veteran
Hecate--I remember the first time I read the story of Florence Nightingale (3rd grade). I know it's her nursing career that most know her for, but in this story, her father was really proud of her mathematical gifts and wanted her to pursue them. I wanted to be her!
Man, if we could sell these on Thinkgeek, we'd make MILLIONS!
Man, the Frenchis is going to get hit in the face with more balls than Elton John!
Why aren't we studying these myths every wingnut believes?
The Vietnamese, in Oriental fashion, kept the POWs as "spoils of war ... trinkets of ego." He told of one American, now demented, who was kept chained to a post in a village for the amusement of residents.
Dog Days have arrived in GnashVegas -- I think it got into the 90s today, 147% humidity... the lightning bugs are out in full troop strength tonight.
Sallyh -- I did pet Curly for you, earlier, but since the dumbass seems to like the outdoor sauna, I left his ass on the balcony tonight. He wouldn't come back in!
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Also "True Stories."
NYMary
True Stories is one of the greatest films ever made. Stoned or unstoned.
Shit, maybe I'll go watch it again. Sure beats listening to others talk about a movie they're watching...
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you may never convince those yahoos that the evil VC don't have our boys in slave labor camps, at age 50 and up
The same folks who believe to this day that the Viet Nam Debacle was winnable, had it not been for folks like John Kerry, Jane Fonda and the rest of those "unpatriotic" people who didn't want anymore of our soldiers killed.
I guess 58,000 dead wasn't enough for them.
Nicky Dixx -
Zappa would have had a field day with the Bush Boy. He would have put out about 5 albums by now.
He would have carved these assholes into mincemeat. All to cool jazz-rock with his monster guitar wailing.
God damn, I loved that guy.
imagine literally giving your right arm to be with the space gods for one minute.
what would they do with all the arms?
Your arm's off!
- no it isn't! 'Tis but a scratch.
"Martians. Great."
Angry dogs are after Bambi.
rather than to be forced to do so, they will resort to any and all low deeds, lies, and subterfuges. they will permit more of us to die, if by doing so they may incite more loyalty to their regime...
do not doubt that for a single microsecond...and take whatever measures you must in light of the information...
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar
Short of all out victory, their end came is clear. Keep talking and acting as if everything's OK. Let the critics continue to vocalize and associate themselves with defeat. After a slowly growing groundswell against the war, "give in" either by choice or getting elected out. When the condition spirals even lower it becomes the critics war and all things bad that happens is their fault. Remember when "we were in charge" everything was going "OK".
This is really really staring to look like the VietNam end game redux. That's something I never believed would happen but I now think it's inevitable.
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"Martians! Great.
Leather clad butch Martians! FABULOUS!
The Vietnamese, in Oriental fashion, kept the POWs as "spoils of war ... trinkets of ego." He told of one American, now demented, who was kept chained to a post in a village for the amusement of residents.
SWR |
ORIENTAL????
Furniture is oriental; people are ASIAN!
True Stories is one of the greatest films ever made. Stoned or unstoned.
Hells yeah.
If you like Zappa, go over to iFilm and watch the video of him on "Crossfire" circa 1980. The usual wingnut suspects are there with Zappa, who comes off like the only sane person in the studio (which he was).
Res Ipsa Loquitur
I'm not finding that page. Maybe it's their server or something. Thanks for the link, though.
Oh for God's sake...Now Bambi's protector got shot.
If this movie came out today, the NRA would be all over Disney.
Wouldn't tolerate Tipper Gore anymore than he would wingers like Novak, today.
Tipper Gore is not leftist.
rorschach -9:51 pm
no shit, pard...there wasn't a good, decent leftist within 100 miles of the Clinton administation at all, once Lany Guenier went down...
Nicky Dixx -
Zappa would have had a field day with the Bush Boy. He would have put out about 5 albums by now.
He would have carved these assholes into mincemeat. All to cool jazz-rock with his monster guitar wailing.
God damn, I loved that guy.
Billy B
Billy:
The only good things I got out of my marriage was my two kids and an appreciation for Zappa.
My ex turned me onto Frank AND to Monty Python.
I guess it wasn't a complete waste of 23 years.
I knew a priest who was in special ops in nam. behind enemy lines.
two men teams.
his partner captured watched him tied to a tree and skinned alive.
hiding in foliage sat still for days.
this guy became antiwar.
The same folks who believe to this day that the Viet Nam Debacle was winnable, had it not been for folks like John Kerry, Jane Fonda and the rest of those "unpatriotic" people who didn't want anymore of our soldiers killed.
Delusional though they may be, they control the national dialog. They get respectful treatment from the media. They've put their symbols and propaganda everywhere in mainstream America.
So maybe they're not so delusional. Maybe they're smarter than we are.
And what they are is a solid core of propagandists and agitators who are going to shift very easily over to the "stab in the back" myth that's going to come out of Iraq.
This seems unusually incoherent and bad, even for Sci-Fi...
"No. They’re going to blame us"
I agree they'll try. It's a crock of shit and we've got to call it a crock of shit every time. Every goddamn time!
"Your arm's off!
- no it isn't! 'Tis but a scratch."
When my husband says this, what it really means is, "I am near death from hemorrhaging and in excruciating pain."
rRes
That was scary. I probably quit sniffling at that part.
I don't recall being traumatized by Bambi. I think it was other things.
Zombies next week, landsharks the week after. Life is GOOD!
I agree they'll try. It's a crock of shit and we've got to call it a crock of shit every time. Every goddamn time!
BroD | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 9:57 pm | #
Haven't you noticed that every time someone mentions the Klan, some wingnut mentions Robert Byrd.
That's how relentless we have to be.
But we won't.
Make fun of the MIA people all you want. They're ability to organize makes the anti-war movement look like a joke.
truth ....
Here.
Eli--yes, but it's got humor value, and a blonde babe with a British accent. Just in case you hadn't noticed.
Terry - funny you should mention that about the Disney villianesses. They're still putting one in almost every new animated feature.
Remember Minn (?) in the "Sword and the Stone."
She was a powerful socereress so they had to make her look like an old hag.
The same folks who believe to this day that the Viet Nam Debacle was winnable, had it not been for folks like John Kerry, Jane Fonda and the rest of those "unpatriotic" people who didn't want anymore of our soldiers killed.
I guess 58,000 dead wasn't enough for them.
Terry C
Plus they don't know shit thing one about the Gulf of Tonkin "incidents" and how the US lies and exagerations fed by mindless ultra patriotism and super hawk conservative Republicans escalated this little civil war into a disaster. And they don't care. Remember the clarion call, "My country, right or wrong!"
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no shit, pard...there wasn't a good, decent leftist within 100 miles of the Clinton administation at all, once Lany Guenier went down...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar
Yep. I celebrated the night Clinton was first elected, and rarely thereafter during his administration.
And in re: Zappa, six words:
"Hey there people, I'm Bobby Brown."
I guess it wasn't a complete waste of 23 years.
Terry C
maybe lots of other good stuff too Terry
I agree they'll try. It's a crock of shit and we've got to call it a crock of shit every time. Every goddamn time!
Won't work this time. Just tell them if a bunch of peace activists, anti-military press types and liberals can stop them, they should stick to kicking the asses of world powers like Grenada and Afghanistan.
Make fun of the MIA people all you want. Their ability to organize makes the anti-war movement look like a joke.
SWR
You think THEY would be anti-war....not wanting anymore of our people to end up as POWs and MIAs.
Some people never learn!
This seems unusually incoherent and bad, even for Sci-Fi...
Any sex? Because Hot Science Babe on Hot Science Babe action makes up for all incoherence...
Eli--yes, but it's got humor value, and a blonde babe with a British accent. Just in case you hadn't noticed.
Yes, I noticed. I hope the Cylon/stormtrooper dude didn't kill the other one. She hadn't even taken off her shirt yet!
Good lord, there's some postin' goin' awn here, to-NIGHT!
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what would they do with all the arms?
A question for the ages. That's what I've never been able to figure out about the space aliens and the surgical removal of the cow asses. I'm supposed to believe these beings are advanced enough to travel to our planet, and yet they've not come up with a way to manufacture synthetic cow asses?
'Brown Shoes Don't Make It!!!"
I also enjoyed Zappa's 'Ruben and the Jets.'
Any sex? Because Hot Science Babe on Hot Science Babe action makes up for all incoherence...
Pfft. They may have killed one of them off already. Is hard to say.
"Hey there people, I'm Bobby Brown."
rorschach
"And I'm a miserable son of a bitch
Am I a guy or lady
I don't know which!"
Watching Michael Kinsley quoting George Michaels is fucking hilirious.
I think this one is more timely rorschach
can't afford no shoes.
*heh-heh-heh...*
Have you heard the news?
*(News? What news?)*
Can't afford no shoes
*(Get a good deal on tape)*
Have you heard the news?
*(News? Can't afford a paper)*
Can't afford no shoes
*(Hi-yo-hi)*
Went to buy some cheap detergent
Some emergent nation
Got my load
Got my load
That i stowed
Well, well
Hey lawdy mama,
Can't afford no shoes
Maybe there's a bundle of rags that I could use
Hey anybody,
Can you spare a dime
If you're really hurtin', a nickel would be fine
Hey everybody
Nothin' we can buy
Chump Hare Rama, ain't no good to try
Recession
Depression
Remember the clarion call, "My country, right or wrong!"
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Agent Orange =9:59 pm
i am hearing echoes today of the 'love it or leave it' crap, too.
that is the nature of my request, by the way: if you desire me to leave this, my country, please do it in person, that i may have the pleasure of declining with suitable emphasis...
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Jp, how goes it? Saunaville down there, eh?
I'm supposed to believe these beings are advanced enough to travel to our planet, and yet they've not come up with a way to manufacture synthetic cow asses?
Synthetic cow asses are cubic zirconia to the space aliens.
intergalactic space travel may be one thing but the mystery of synthetic cow's asses puzzled even einstein
I guess it wasn't a complete waste of 23 years.
Terry C
maybe lots of other good stuff too Terry
earl in toronto |
The bitch he left me for died of Hep C.
He left his family for a junkie.
"Hey there people, I'm Bobby Brown."
rorschach
"And I'm a miserable son of a bitch
I'm Rick James bitch
And now there's a forest fire in Bambi!
BTW --The Poor Man was excellent
G'night all you people who aren't kewl enough to go out on a Saturday nite!
Terry C--
I wondah, wondah; wondah, wondah...
Chris T--I'll be in St. Thomas for zombies, but landsharks in 2 weeks? I am so there!
One of Zappa's most hilarious, wickedest, most UN-PC (from a man that gave not one shit about offending any person, place, or thing) verses was from the song He's So Gay.
And no day
Is complete
Without some meat
In the seat,
He's so gay.
Yow, He's the Space Pope!
I spent the last day looking forward to watching "Hero" on Starz...
only to find out they are airing a horribly dubbed version....which is not in letterbox!!
I went over to the Starz page to complain. No email links, of course.
GRRRRRR!!!
It is simply not the same movie.
Eli--hot alien babe action!
"I'm gonna cover that girl in chocolate syrup...roll her on the White House Lawn."
ORANGE ALERT.ORANGE ALERT.ORANGE ALERT.
Pfft. They may have killed one of them off already. Is hard to say.
Then I can pronounce a verdict:
Worst. Movie. Ever.
Mr. X looks pissed.
You have to remember that all of frank's lyrics were written simply because people expected them. This is my all time favorite
Evelyn, a modified dog
Viewed the quivering fringe of a special doily
Draped across the piano, with some surprise
In the darkened room
Where the chairs dismayed
And the horrible curtains
Muffled the rain
She could hardly believe her eyes
A curious breeze
A garlic breath
Which sounded like a snore
Somewhere near the Steinway (or even from within)
Had caused the doily fringe to waft & tremble in the gloom
Evelyn, a dog, having undergone
Further modification
Pondered the significance of short-person behavior
In pedal-depressed panchromatic resonance
And other highly ambient domains...
Arf she said,
I think at this moment of the environment falling apart quicker than we think they are also trying to destroy the past: iraqui manuscripts, etc...smashing the cradle of civilization with uranium coated shells, etc...
If we can not unseat the military-industrial TheoCons from power soon, the best any of us may be able to do is harbor the knowledge of the past and what are about to become the secrets of science.
If they have their way, all knowledge they have no use for will become arcane.
Is there really a Luigi Nono? It sounds like one of Frank's goofs.
Nick Dixon
Absolutly, a great composer and a great leftist. His opera Itollerenza was famous for being the occasion for a neo-fascist riot.
Italy produced some of the best composers after WWII, not much played here but excellent music from Dallipiccola, Nono and Berio especially.
*heh-heh-heh...*
Have you heard the news?
*(News? What news?)*
Can't afford no shoes
*(Get a good deal on tape)*
Have you heard the news?
*(News? Can't afford a paper)*
Can't afford no shoes
*(Hi-yo-hi)*
One Size Fits All, my personal favorite. Plastic people isn't bad.
"I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little had changed
I am the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you
I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I am the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I am the slime oozin' out
From your TV set
You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help...no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold
That's right, folks.. Don't touch that dial
Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livingroom floor
I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go
He left his family for a junkie.
Terry C
ouch
Not allowed to watch Sci Fi movie have to watch stupidy real movie "Sideways" SUX wife won't let me watch Sci-Fi crap movie SUX boring grownup movie SUX.
Bambi Meets Godzilla is a wonderous film for children. At least it doesn't last long. About ten seconds. One of the shorted films ever made.
earl in toronto
And one of the funniest...I think it was the score.
Billy B, that was from Thangfish. It was a musical. Was produced for the stage once.
So, Marduk is like the Martian George Bush?
This is my all time favorite
Evelyn, a modified dog
What's with One Size Fits All?
Wow, it's Double Martian Indemnity!
Michael Kinsely:
"Do you think rock music doesn't excite sensualit at all?"
I have a hard time believing Michael Kinlsey's ever had sex.
I think this one is more timely rorschach
can't afford no shoes.
Perhaps, but "Bobby Brown" is my favorite Zappa ever. It just cracks me up, especially given the last few seconds of the track, when he chuckles and says, "I knew you'd be surprised."
Anyway, as far as timely songs are concerned, another I listened to today was Guthrie's "I'm Changing My Name to Chrysler," which is hilarious.
Trying to update it in my head, but "Halliburton" just isn't as easy to scan...
Worst. Movie. Ever.
NTodd |
Plan Nine From Outer Space is the worst ever.
Coppertone lied. People fried.
okay. sorry.
"Hey there people, I'm Bobby Brown."
rorschach
Oh god, I am the American Dream
With a spindle up my butt 'till it makes me scream!
What a hoot! My friends and I had those lyrics memorized...
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One Size Fits All, my personal favorite. Plastic people isn't bad.
truth
Hay-zooz Aitch Kreesto, truth!!!!
You got to have some good in you. I was about to say the same thing.
At the top of his game, Frankie was on One Size.
Perhaps, but "Bobby Brown" is my favorite Zappa ever. It just cracks me up, especially given the last few seconds of the track, when he chuckles and says, "I knew you'd be surprised."
"Thanks for Freddie, I'm a sexual spastic!"
One Size Fits All, probably my favorite. I like Thangfish, too. I forget the name of the song Billy B referenced, that's from Thangfish
You know, Zoot Allure's "The Torture Never stops" might be apropo right now.
Ripley: Jp, how goes it? Saunaville down there, eh?
Oh, yeah -- hot & sour soup, baby. Life is groovin' along... did a little VHS transfer job today for one of Diamond Dawg Dave Demay's latest stars... a guy who's being shopped around in the south's legal gambling establishments as an entertainer. I'll admit, the guy is very entertaining. I'm taking old VHS footage and turning into QuickTime™ for inclusion on a CD-E (or whatever the fuk those are called now).
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Jeez, what a lame fight scene.
Where's the leg-biting?
And one of the funniest...I think it was the score.
I have a hard time believing Michael Kinlsey's ever had sex.
SWR
I can believe it easier than I can believe Robert Novak's having it.
Protect the Space pope!
Coppertone lied. People fried.
Ted likes to fantasize that he's the coppertone puppy.
Good night. I'm going to fantasize that I'll sleep more than three hours tonight.
Something for Charle Johnson'r new venture: "pojamas media"
Some people's hot
Some people's cold
Some people's not very
Swift to behold
Some people do it
Some see right through it
Some wear pyjamas
If only they knew it
The pyjamas people are boring me to pieces
They make me feel like I am wasting my time
They all got flannel up 'n down 'em
A little trap-door back aroun' 'em
An' some cozy little *footies* on their mind
Po-jama people!
Po-jama people, people!
Lawd, they make you sleepy
With the things they might say
Po-jama people!
Po-jama people, people!
*Mother, Mary 'n Jozuf*, wish they'd all go away!
Po-jama people!
It's a po-jama people special...
Take one home with you & save a dollar today
Po-jama people!
Po-jama people, people!
Wrap 'em up
Roll 'em out
Get 'em out of my way,
You know, Zoot Allure's "The Torture Never stops" might be apropo right now.
truth
Oh, I love that!
The song, not the torture!
"There are monkey boys in the complex!"
Nick Dixon:
I used to walk around singing that but changing the words to "Reagan people."
zappa calling his kids 'Dweezil' and 'Moon Unit' gave him away for the deep down bourgeoise he was........
Um, did the bald Martian have a lithp?
Jeez, what a lame fight scene.
Where's the leg-biting?
Eli
"No heinie-biting!"
(from "Grease")
You got to have some good in you. I was about to say the same thing.
ANDY
Is there anything good inside of you
If there is, I really wanna know
Is there anything
Good inside of you
If there is
I really wanna
Know
Is there anything
Good inside of you
If there is
I really wanna
Know
Is there?
Is there any-thaaaang good inside of you
If there is, I really wanna know-woh-oh-oh-oh
Is there any-thaaaang good inside of you
If there is, I really wanna know,
really wanna know...
Something
Anything
Something
Anything
Show me a sign
If you don't mind
Show me a sign
If you don't mind
Do you know what I'm really telling you
Is it something that you can understand
Do you know what I'm really telling you
Is it something that you can understand
Do you know what I'm really telling you
Is it something that you can understand
Do you know what I'm really telling you
Is it something that you can understand
Andy de vine
Had a thong rind
It was sublime
But the wrong kind
Andy de vine
Had a thong rind
It was sublime
But the wrong kind
Have I aligned
With a blown mind
Wasted my time
On a drawn blind
Have I aligned
With a blown mind
Wasted my time
On a drawn blind
Oh ...
Billy B, that was from Thangfish. It was a musical. Was produced for the stage once.
Nick Dixon |
I bow to you Nicky.
I had the tune on the posthumous compilation "Have I Offended Someone?".
I also thought "Down in France" had a great line that Napoleon Murphy Brock sang: "And they PISS in the street!"
I can believe it easier than I can believe Robert Novak's having it.
Terry C
Oh, I can't let that one lie unanswered. Go look at NRO. Those kind have to come from somewhere.
By the way, now that I know it exists, I feel honor bound to point out that these posts are in no way connected to European Poker Tour blog.
Jeebus, I gotta put in the screens. These moths are fricken HUGE!
"No heinie-biting!"
(from "Grease")
No greasy heinie-biting!
Or heinie-greasing.
zappa calling his kids 'Dweezil' and 'Moon Unit' gave him away for the deep down bourgeoise he was........
earl in toronto |
Let's not forget "Ahmet" and "Diva."
Kinsley's a better debater than Zappa is.
Minute 13. Zappa's been pretty lame so far. He's letting Kinsely argue his position for him.
OK. He's heating up a bit now.
I agree they'll try. It's a crock of shit and we've got to call it a crock of shit every time. Every goddamn time!
BroD =- 9:57 pm
it's what's called a double bind: there is no permissible conclusion except that it costs those who proposed and prosecuted the war their 'face.' this they will never permit.
they have already established--for 40 years, nearly--the blame cycle, into which the placid, corporate media will delightedly enter and promulgate, for obvious reasons...
the war's success, once entered upon, is all that matters to those who permitted it to begin.
if it fails, they will relentlessly scapegoat the opponents.
citizens who protested the war, and demonstrated for its end, and complained of its cost in lives and tresure are already accused of 'treacherously' hindering the effort necessary for the war to succeed.
Plan Nine From Outer Space is the worst ever.
Fie! I am in love with every shot Ed Wood ever cut.
Dweezil was quite the guitar player. If you've ever heard Don Johnson's solo stuff, that's Dweezil on guitar. I think I have one of his songs around here on a tape. When you see that kind of stuff in a gas station, you don't ask questions - you buy!
speaking of film scores I'd love to get a CD from that movie, she travels and lives in different time periods..very haunting,,,floating angel at the end...
The song, not the torture!
Terry C
Undertsood.
And that does it. I am putting on Black Napkins and MS. Pinky.....LOUD.
i am hearing echoes today of the 'love it or leave it' crap, too.
that is the nature of my request, by the way: if you desire me to leave this, my country, please do it in person, that i may have the pleasure of declining with suitable emphasis...
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar
I did pick up a great T shirt during the run up to the war. It has an American flag superimposed over a map of the US and asks (in BIG Letters)
"Don't Like Free Speech? Move."
It drives my conservative pro Bush neighbors rather uneasey when I wear it. They're real "Clinton hater" Evangelical Christian types. Regardless it's a great pre-emption to the America love it or leave it crap.
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Kinsely thinks the "Dead Kennedys" are a "heavy metal" group
There are still thousands of hours of recorded music that have yet to be released, Billy B.
Plan Nine From Outer Space is the worst ever.
Nah, it's a tie between "The Day the Earth Caught Fire" and "The Pallbearer" with David Schwimmer...
Bambi Meets Godzilla is a wonderous film for children. At least it doesn't last long. About ten seconds. One of the shorted films ever made.
earl in toronto
I LOVE Godzilla movies - all those Japanese monster flicks.
I also love Ed Wood movies!
anyone remember that film.......I can't think of the actress......starts in France I think....garden of Versailles? is that it?
The way they're talking about Heavy Metal is exactly the way they talk about Rap today.
SCORE! She landed right on top of me!
"Love it or leave it."
"My country, right or wrong."
How 60s!
The fascist fucktards can't come up with anything new, can they?
OK, let's just cut to the chase:
Help I'm a rock!
Help I'm a rock!
Help I'm a rock!
Help I'm a rock!
Help I'm a rock!
Help I'm a rock!
Help I'm a rock!
Help I'm a rock!
Kinsley is not stupid. He is definitely not hip.
Tilda Swinton. That's the actress I think! Film must cover a couple of hundred years........she keeps showing up in different personas
Kinsley is not stupid. He is definitely not hip.
He's Kevin Drum or Matt Yglesias with a higher IQ.
But I still think he's a virgin.
Tilda Swinton. That's the actress I think! Film must cover a couple of hundred years........she keeps showing up in different personas
Orlando.
She wants me. I can tell.
"Finger licking good."
The song, not the torture!
Terry C
Undertsood.
And that does it. I am putting on Black Napkins and MS. Pinky.....LOUD.
truth |
Now you done it - I have to put on some Zappa.
"Pi-N-K-Y
$69.95 - give her a try!"
Plan Nine From Outer Space is the worst ever.
Not even in the top 5.
1. Monster A-Go-Go
2. DC 9/11: Time of Crisis
3. The Green Berets
4. The Phantom Menace
5. Attack of the Clones
G'night all you people who aren't kewl enough to go out on a Saturday nite!
Prior Aelred -10:03 pm
'night, padre...
peace
.
You know, Zoot Allure's "The Torture Never stops" might be apropo right now.
truth
Terry, my dear, that song showcased Frankie's evil genious - juxtaposing the torturous horror music to the screams of pain that morphed into orgasmic screams.
The first time I heard the tune I was really disturbed - and then I got the joke. Frank was a bitch.
6. Howard the Duck
7. The Color Purple
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"Tastes like chicken"
Looks like an orange.
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Saw a real good movie today.
Saw it years ago, and was determined to get the videotape if I could.
"Wicker Man" - Edward Woodward, Christopher Lee, Britt Eklund.
A fundie gets fried at the end of it.
Looks like an orange.
Looked more like a blue pear...
I can't believe I spent 20 minutes of my life watching a stupid old Crossfire segment.
But I will say this. Absolutely nothing has changed from 1987. You could have put that same stupid segment on Fox News and not missed a beat.
You know why Plan Nine isn't the worst film ever....
because Michael Medved made his name calling "Plan 9" the worst film ever, when he stole the Golden Turkey series from his brother Harry.
Just so you know..
love it or leave it
some conditions may apply
my country right or wrong
do not store in direct sunlight
Thersites: 2. DC 9/11: Time of Crisis
Never saw it, but I rilly, rilly wannu.
Is it true that Tim Bottoms played the lead? He's the guy that played Chimperor on "That's My Bush," which got ganked from Comedy Central the moment of 9/11.
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The Green Berets
Oh, please - I know Viet Nam vets who thought that was an absolute piece of shit when it came out.
I always thought John Wayne sucked anyway!
Worst movies?
"Mitchell!"
I did pick up a great T shirt during the run up to the war. It has an American flag superimposed over a map of the US and asks (in BIG Letters)
"Don't Like Free Speech? Move."
that'd be one i'd wear out pretty soon, i do believe...
Frankie and Bobby, that was actually called San Ber'dino. I don't see her name in the lyrics. I know I've heard it. Weird.
Reagan People. LOL! that's what he was talking about.
She lives in Mojave in a Winnebago
His name is Bobby, he looks like a potato
She's in love with a boy
>From the rodeo
Who pulls the rope on the chute
When they let those suckers go
He's a slobberin' drunk at the Palomino
They give him thirty days in
Well there's forty-four men
Stashed away in tank "C"
An' there's only one shower
But it don't apply to Bobby
You may think they're
Dumb an' lonely
But you're wrong
'Cause their love is strong
Stacked-up hair
An' a cheap little ring
They don't care
'Cause it don't mean a thing
Looka there...
They don't care
Best-est way that
They can feel-o
Out on the highway
Rollin' a wheel-o
He's her *Tootsie*
She's for real-o
Trailer park heaven
It's a real good deal-o
Real good deal-o
Real good deal-o
Real good deal-o
The rest of their lives
In
Gonna spend the rest of their lives
In
The rest of their lives
In
Come on with me
Come on with me
Come on with me
Down in
Just 60 miles, 60 miles
Down the freeway
They got some dark green air
An' you can choke all day
That's right!
Gonna spend the rest of their lives
Rest of their lives
Rest of their lives
Say now
Ain't talkin' 'bout Fontana
Ain't talkin' 'bout uh uh
Ain't talkin' 'bout uh uh
Ain't talkin' 'bout uh uh
Ain't talkin' 'bout the Redlands, no no
ZULCH is the auto works
I'm telling you
That's where they take
All the cars that they hurt
Come on and let's all go down to
Ooo-ooo
Ooo-ooo
Ooo-ooo
Let's-a go down down down
Down in
Wouldja b'lieve it
San Ber'dino
San Ber'dino
(*Got to call it*)
San Ber'dino
(*C'mere*)
San Ber'dino
etc., etc., etc.
The rest of their lives
In
Oh Bobby, I'm sorry you gotta head like a potato
I really am
But I still think he's a virgin.
SWR
Kinsley is *married with children.* HIS children.
You know why Plan Nine isn't the worst film ever....
because Michael Medved made his name calling "Plan 9" the worst film ever, when he stole the Golden Turkey series from his brother Harry.
Just so you know..
Nancy Richardson |
Michael Medved is a wanker!
"Unfortunately, the warriors believe in confrontation over diplomacy."
I think this movie is trying to make all kinds of political points, but it's just totally sucking at it...
nobody remembers the name of the tilda swinton film spanning a couple of centuries. eerie.
Blue pear, Orange, you say Tomato, I say..........
literally first thing heard when I got back.
$69.95 - give her a try!"
Terry C
A terrible sentiment, but when it's Zappa anything goes. We need more Zappa's.
Plan Nine From Outer Space is the worst ever.
* * *
Fie! I am in love with every shot Ed Wood ever cut.
Me neither. We found a box set the other day. Hard to resist.
"Not allowed to watch Sci Fi movie have to watch stupidy real movie "Sideways" SUX wife won't let me watch Sci-Fi crap movie SUX boring grownup movie SUX."
It really is more fun at the kids' table!
Some more nominees for Worst:
"Gigli"
"Bolero" (with that great actress Bo Derek)
nobody remembers the name of the tilda swinton film spanning a couple of centuries. eerie.
Dude, it's Orlando. I already told you...
I always thought John Wayne sucked anyway!
Big green, donkey dicks.
I haven't used that since junior high.
I think I remember why.
"Don't Like Free Speech? Move."
that's pretty excellent
BTW, did the Russian make this far?
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8. Napoleon Fucking Dynamite
9. Dark City
10. Forrest Gump
11. Signs
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make *it* this far?
Dude, it's Orlando. I already told you...
Eli
Eli right. i didn't catch that post. thanks.
love that film. my girlfriend hated it.
Oh no! Blonde British science babe is *gasp* a spy!
So, um, the chickenshit French guy died for no reason, right?
"Is it true that Tim Bottoms played the lead? He's the guy that played Chimperor on "That's My Bush," which got ganked from Comedy Central the moment of 9/11."
The only way I will watch this is if I am amply plied with expensive and delicious alcoholic beverages.
I work with a guy who often has John Wayne videos lying on his desk, not sure why he keeps them at work.
He also has, swear to Ba'al, a wood shadow etching of John Wayne in a cowboy hat on his desk. Total neocon wet dream. Bring up anything negative about Repubs and he changes the topic to how awful liberals are. Hasn't heard about the Ohio Workers Comp scandal (surprise) but then launched into a tale of how Guiliani sent back his campaign contribution when he dropped out of the Senate race.
"Mitchell!"
But...but...the "baby oil" scene!
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Tilda, mmmm.
Eli,
Orlando is based on the novel by Virginia Woolf, which was illustrated with pictures of her lover, Vita Sackville-West, dressed in both male and female clothes, as I recall.
Is it true that Tim Bottoms played the lead? He's the guy that played Chimperor on "That's My Bush," which got ganked from Comedy Central the moment of 9/11.
He certainly did.
The alternate title to that was "The Yee-Hah of the Will."
She lives in Mojave in a Winnebago
And I can't hear that opening line without my heart rate speeding up. LOVE that song!
The Green Berets
Oh, please - I know Viet Nam vets who thought that was an absolute piece of shit when it came out.
I always thought John Wayne sucked anyway!
Terry C -10:22 pm
it is within a chinchilla of being an hilarious self-parody of the typical John Wane gook kiler:
Worst.
War.
Flick.
EVAHHHH!!!
Some more nominees for Worst:
"Bolero" (with that great actress Bo Derek)
but Bo Derek (sob) had (sob) great (sob) rasta (sob sob) dreads
Woohoo!!!
Um, did you say something, Mar?
The Martian Love Dance!
Hubba Hubba!
WHOOO! Pryamid Power!
"You know, Zoot Allure's "The Torture Never stops" might be apropo right now.
truth"
Yup, we got one evil motherfucking prince.
Eli--stop drooling on the keyboard already. Yeesh!
>>Michael Medved is a wanker!
Well, take it from me, there are 3000 people who went to Palisades high school with Michael...and all of ushave harbored a deep and abiding hatred for him since he wrote: "What Really Happen to the Class of 65?"
And nobody I have encountered in the intervening years has ever been interested in dropping their loathing for him.
Orlando was based on a Virginia Woolf novel
He also has, swear to Ba'al, a wood shadow etching of John Wayne in a cowboy hat on his desk.
Have you told him that John Wayne was born with a girl's name?
I'm a little skeptical that "Think you can handle it?" is in the Martian lexicon of phrases...
but Bo Derek (sob) had (sob) great (sob) rasta (sob sob) dreads
technically it was just braided and beaded hair.
Senor Suavillo Stiletto
Hairstylist to the Stars
AAAAight, gang, I gots to go. My lovely daughter is kicking the old man's ass off the box.
Parting is such sweet sorrow.
(Is that a real poncho . . . I mean
Is that a Mexican poncho or is that a Sears poncho?
Hmmm . . . no foolin' . . . )
XXXOOOXXX to all the lovely ladies.
Manana, Atriots y Eschatonianz
I always thought John Wayne sucked anyway!
Big green, donkey dicks.
Word. He played a gun toting, one dimensional character every time. Fake tough guy. Who does that remind you of?
Tilda Swinton is 5' 11".
Just sayin'.
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Penguins in Bondage. The tortum never stops is originally part of the musical, too. Thangfish.
Why do the Wringers forget that the first bombing of the WTC was done less than 3 months after clinton took offfice.
THats like asking the manger of a baseball team to win now,without looking over his roster first.
Also the terrorism IS worse under bush "Buzzflash has a nice grapical representation. based on the Terrorism research center.
Heres Knoght Ridder " telling us why bush killed off the reporting of terror numbers.
Finally "Heres the WaPo telling us,that junior is changing strategies because of the morphing AQ threat.
Get bent if you dont like the messengers.Go an google it your self.
Have you told him that John Wayne was born with a girl's name?
Thersites
Lighten up, Francis!
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I couldn't say where she's coming' from,
But I just met a lady named Dinah Moe Hum!
She stroll on over, say look here, bum,
I got a forty dollar bill say you can't make me cum
(Y'jes can't do it)
She made a bet with her sister who's a little dumb
She could prove it any time all men was scum
I don't mind that she called me a bum,
But I knew right away she was really gonna cum
(So I got down to it)
I whipped off her bloomers'n stiffened my thumb
An' applied rotation on her sugar plum
I poked'n stroked till my wrist got numb
But I still didn't hear no,
Dinah-Moe Humm
Dinah-Moe Humm
Where this Dinah-Moe
Comin' from
Done spent three hours
An' I ain't got a crumb
From the Dinah-Moe, Dinah-Moe, Dinah-Moe
From the
I got a spot that gets me hot
But you ain't been to it
I got a spot that gets me hot
But you ain't been to it
I got a spot that gets me hot
But you ain't been to it
I got a spot that gets me hot
But you ain't been to it
'Cause I can't get into it
Unless I get out of it
An' I gotta get out of it
Before I get into it
'Cause I never get into it
Unless I get out of it
An' I gotta be out of it
To get myself into it
(She looked over at me with a glazed eye
And some bovine perspiration on her upper lip area
And she said...)
Just get me wasted
An' you're half-way there
'Cause if my mind's tore up
Then my body don't care
I rubbed my chinny-chin-chin
An' said my-my-my
What sort of thing
Might this lady get high upon?
I checked out her sister
Who was holdin' the bet
An' wondered what kind of trip
The young lady was on
The forty dollar bill didn't matter no more
When her sister got nekkid an' laid on the floor
She said Dinah-Moe might win the bet
But she could use a little ________ if I wasn't done yet
I told her...
Just because the sun
Want a place in the sky
No reason to assume
I wouldn't give her a try
So I pulled on her hair
Got her legs in the air
An' asked if she had any cooties on there
(Whaddya mean cooties! No cooties on me!)
She was buns-up kneelin'
BUNS UP!
I was wheelin' an dealin'
WHEELIN' AN' DEALIN' AN OOOOH!
She surrended to the feelin'
SHE SWEETLY SURRENDERED
An' she started in to squealin'
Dinah-Moe watched from the edge of the bed
With her lips just a-twitchin' an' her face gone red
Some drool rollin' down
From the edge of her chin
While she spied the condition
Her sister was in
She quivered 'n quaked
An' clutched at herself
While her sister made a joke
'Bout her mental health
'Till Dinah-Moe finally
Did give in
But I told her
All she really needed
Was some discipline...
Kiss my aura...Dora...
M-M-M...it's real angora
Would y'all like some more-a?
Right here on the flora?
An' how 'bout you, Fauna?
Y'wanna?
MMM...sound like y'might be chokin' on somethin'
Did you say you want some more?
Well, here's some more...
MMM, sure...listen
D'you think I could interest you
In a pair of zircon-encrusted tweezers?
MMM...tweezers!
Here, lemme sterilize 'em...
Gimme your lighter...
I couldn't say where she's coming' from,
But I just met a lady named
She stroll on over, say look here, bum,
I got a forty dollar bill say you can't make me cum
(Y'jes can't do it)
I whipped off her bloomers'n stiffened my thumb
An' applied rotation on her sugar plum
I poked'n stroked till my wrist got numb
An' you know I heard some,
Dinah-Moe
Dinah-Moe
Dinah-Moe
Dinah-Moe
How can The Green Berets really rank so low? After all, Mr. Sulu is in it!
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I also like the Tilda Swinton, but suspect she may be a space alien.
Yep, Thers, even told him Wayne never served in the military but you can't use logic and facts with these people. He immediately launched into Kerry's service record - pure Swifty talk.
They left that night, crunchin' across the Mojave Desert . . . their voices echoing through the canyons of your minds (POO-AAH!)
"ETHELL, wanna get a cuppa cawfee?"
( Howard Johnson's! Howard Johnson's!
Howard Johnson's! Howard Johnson's! )
"Ahhh! there's a HOWARD JOHNSONS! Wanna eat some CLAMS?"
The first noteworhty piece of real estate they destroyed was EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE . . .
And TO THIS VERY DAY, 'Wing Nuts' and Data Reduction Clerks alike, speak in reverent whispers about that fateful night when TEST STAND #1 and THE ROCKET SLED ITSELF . . . ( We have ignition! ) . . . got LUNCHED! I said LUNCHED! ( Lunched! ) By a FAMOUS MOUNTAIN-IN and his SMALL, WOODEN WIFE.
Billy the Mountain
[not STUDEBAKER HOCH, who can write THE LORD'S Prayer on the head of a pin!]
torchem?
Dinty Moore, Dinty Moore!
Absolutely fucking true: my brother broke his hip trying to get his picture taken with the HUGE John Wayne statue at the Orange County, CA airport. He fell off the plinth.
>He played a gun toting, one dimensional character every time. Fake tough guy.
Sorry, but that he will brilliant in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" and "The Searchers."
Of course, Ford is the only one who understood how to direct him.
8. Napoleon Fucking Dynamite
9. Dark City
10. Forrest Gump
11. Signs
12. Beaches
13. The Game
14. The Unbearable Lightness of Being
15. Forrest Gump
note to self: read the Virginia Woolf novel 'Orlando'
>Of course, Ford is the only one who understood how to direct him.
I lied. He was also excellent in "Red River."
Marion?
"You know, Zoot Allure's "The Torture Never stops" might be apropo right now.
truth"
Yup, we got one evil motherfucking prince.
jdw
Bush will be gone before we know it. Who will succeed him?
Hillary looks strong and the repubs are too dumb to give it to Condoleeza.
John Wayne was a racist, sexist jackass.
I liked Liberty Valance for Jimmy Stewart.
Maurice Micklewhite = Michael Caine
I'm not even going to try Jack palance or Charles Bronson
Wayne did a lot of good work.
Watch John Ford's "Cavalry Trilogy."
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She had that
Camarillo brillo
Flamin' out along her head,
I mean her Mendocino bean-o
By where some bugs had made it red
She ruled the Toads
of the Short Forest
And every newt in Idaho
And every cricket who had chorused
By the bush in Buffalo
She said she was
A Magic Mama
And she could throw a mean Tarot
And carried on without a comma
That she was someone I should know
She had a snake for a pet
And an amulet
And she was breeding a dwarf
But she wasn't done yet
She had gray-green skin
A doll with a pin
I told her she was awright
But I couldn't come in
(I couldn't come in right then...)
And so she wandered
Trough the door-way
Just like a shadow from the tomb
She said her stereo was four-way
An' I'd just love it in her room
Well, I was born
To have adventure
So I just followed up the steps
Right past her fuming incense stencher
To where she hung her castanets
She stripped away
Her ranchid poncho
An' laid out naked by the door
We did it till we were un-concho
An' it was useless any more
She had a snake for a pet
And an amulet
And she was breeding a dwarf
But she wasn't done yet
She had gray-green skin
A doll with a pin
I told her she was awright
But I couldn't come in
(actually, I was very busy then)
And so she wandered
Trough the door-way
Just like a shadow from the tomb
She said her stereo was four-way
An' I'd just love it in her room
Well, I was born
To have adventure
So I just followed up the steps
Right past her fuming incense stencher
To where she hung her castanets
She said she was
A Magic Mama
And she could throw a mean Tarot
And carried on without a comma
That she was someone I should know
(Is that a real poncho...I mean
Is that a Mexican poncho
or is that a Sears poncho?
Hmmm...no foolin' ...)
there's a cashier at the local yuppie grocery store who looks just like the young tilda swinton. I always want to say something to her or ask her a question and then I remind myself she's not orlando she's a kid working in a grocery store.
I'm not even going to try Jack palance or Charles Bronson
Nick Dixon
Charles Buchinsky.
I have one of his first movies: "House of Wax" (1953) with the great Vincent Price!
Martians are immune to sarcasm!
NYMary: He fell off the plinth.
I want this as my epitaph... no matter how obviously untrue it will most certainly be.
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Bush will be gone before we know it. Who will succeed him?
Donald Trump.
We get the government we deserve.
Don Henley
Penguins in Bondage.
Is that Roxy and Elsewhere? Love it when he tells Frank that the diploma needs to be shredded and smoked and that you get absolutely nothing with your high school diploma.
Being young was nuts.
Yep, Thers, even told him Wayne never served in the military but you can't use logic and facts with these people.
I wouldn't try, myself. I would keep softly crooning "Mar-ion. Maaaaaaaar-ion" to him whenever he walked by.
But then I'm a total bastard.
Oh, I mentioned Forrest Gump above again deliberately, because I want to stomp on that movie hard and make it cry. Then I'll pee on it.
BTW, any list of bad movies is incomplete without "Battlefield Earth."
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Plynth
Jeff Beck wrote that.
Was Paul Giamatti nominated for an Oscar for Sideways?
I once had the opportunity to go down to John Wayne's house to record some pick up lines for a trailer...
and I have to say, he was bigger than life, extremely pleasant to me and my partner, and a real gentleman.
I have a feeling the Duke, like Eastwood would have little use for what passes for "conservatives" today.
Well, take it from me, there are 3000 people who went to Palisades high school with Michael...and all of ushave harbored a deep and abiding hatred for him since he wrote: "What Really Happen to the Class of 65?"
And Nancy Richardson - there are around 3500 people who went to US Grant High School and never met Michael but still hated him, just 'cause he was in Pali and we thought he was incredibly out of it.
Sorry, but that he will brilliant in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" and "The Searchers."
Of course, Ford is the only one who understood how to direct him.
Nancy Richardson -10:31 pm
and even Ford didn't get it right every time...
John Wayne served in the military. The Hollywood battalion.
Bush will be gone before we know it. Who will succeed him?"
Not soon enough. Plus they'll leave a structure in place to thwart anything positive a dem might want to do, if one shoul win in 2008.
"Hillary looks strong and the repubs are too dumb to give it to Condoleeza."
Hillary will get her ass kicked halfway to Sunday. This is no time to run a sacrifice candidate ala Mondale. I mean this in the nicest way, but fuck Hillary.
16. Army of Darkness
17. Moulin Rouge
18. Forrest Gump
19. The Matrix
20. The Matrix 2
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So the black guy doesn't die? Wow, this really IS science fiction.
Henry Hathaway did well with Wayne in The Shepherd of the Hills, too.
Jeepers H. Christmas. It's ridiculous getting through these insanely long posts of limited interest.
Smallfish,
Great links. "Drift" on terrorism doesn't begin to define how badly Bu$hCo has blown the *war* on terrorism. He has egged it on with a vengence.
Was Paul Giamatti nominated for an Oscar for Sideways?
NYMary
Shockingly, he was not.
Loved TBogg's piece, just one thing: when one is speaking about the effectiveness of the Iraqi police force, I hope you never leave out the part about how the 'police force' is mostly Shiites/Kurds trucked in to be sicced on Sunnis, or vice versa. 'Police force,' my ass.
Thers reminded me of another bad movie, but a movie which Must be watched if we are to survive as a civilization.
Warriors
The lessons it contains must never be forgotten.
My mistake. performed by the jeff beck group written by stewart wood and hopkins
Plynth (Water Down the Drain)
I've woken up on mornings such as this
And thought exactly the same as I'm thinking now
Every night for a year I've slept alone
My cold damp room looks worse than me.
I got a fear of death that creeps on every night
I know I won't die soon but then again I might
Just like water down the drain I'm wasting away
And oh, doctors can't help. A ghost of a man, that's me.
I'm going far
Ah, ah, ah
And oh, water down the drain flows to the sea
The pattern of my life keeps a-hauntin' me
Like moisture from the ocean fills the sky
Comes on down to the ground as time goes by.
Ah, ah, ah
Please don't weep for me when I'm gone
Ah, ah, ah
I got a fear of death that creeps on every night
I know I won't die soon but then again I might
Please don't weep for me when I'm gone
Ah, ah, ah
A fear of death that creeps on every night
Plan Nine From Outer Space is the worst ever.
* * *
Fie! I am in love with every shot Ed Wood ever cut.
Me neither. We found a box set the other day. Hard to resist.
Silleigh
I just treated myself to the DVD for "Ed Wood" (with Johnny Depp) the other day.
I LOVE that movie!
Clean sheets. Attaturk. Up to no good, no doubt.
GWPDA,
I had a crush on a guy who went to Grant named Joe Lee...he was the essense of cool...
did you know him?
I mentioned Forrest Gump above again deliberately, because I want to stomp on that movie hard and make it cry. Then I'll pee on it.
Thersites
Wow, and I thought I hated that movie...
SteveNS,
That is a fucking crime. He's amazing.
Warriors
Not THE Warriors?
Hillary will get her ass kicked halfway to Sunday. This is no time to run a sacrifice candidate ala Mondale. I mean this in the nicest way, but fuck Hillary.
jdw
Don't agree - sorry!
Jennifer, the proper sci-fi term isn't "surgical removal. The term is "cored."
Hillary will get her ass kicked halfway to Sunday. This is no time to run a sacrifice candidate ala Mondale
I hope she is sincere about sticking to her Senate carreer for the time being. I thought the shit the wingers threw at Kerry was horrific. If Hillary runs, the disgust factor of negative ads will supress voting to the max. But that is the winger plan.
Was Paul Giamatti nominated for an Oscar for Sideways?
NYMary
Shockingly, he was not.
Steve(NS)
I LOVED him in Howard Stern's "Private Parts."
"You are the mother fucking anti-Christ!"
Looked more like a blue pear...
Yuri Olesha fan?
Oh, I mentioned Forrest Gump above again deliberately, because I want to stomp on that movie hard and make it cry. Then I'll pee on it.
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 06.04.05 - 10:36 p
have some of mine...'
i detested that film, from the first moment to the present day...
i couldn't have a relationship with a woman who thought it her favorite movie...
just couldn't
btw, hecate, the sunset tonight is the palest golden peach...
RE: Forrest Gump
By definition, almost, anyone who is here is unlikely to value a film in which stupidity is tied to morality. We just don't play that.
Warriors is a GREAT movie.
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bambi, isn't that venison veal?
-J.T.
Flies all green and buzzin',
in this dungeon of despair.
Prisoners grumble and piss their clothes,
and scratch their matted hair.
A tiny light, from a window hole,
a hundred yards away,
is all they ever gets to know
about the regular light in the day.
And it stinks so bad, the stones been chokin',
and weepin' greenish drops.
In the room where the giant fire puffer works,
and the torture never stops.
The torture never stops.
Slime and rot, rats and snot,
and vomit on the floor.
Fifty yoogly soldiers, man,
holdin' spears by the iron door.
Knives and spikes, and guns and the likes
of every tool of pain.
And a sinister midget, with a bucket and a mop,
where the blood goes down the drain.
And it stinks so bad, the stones been chokin',
and weepin' greenish drops.
In the room where the giant fire puffer works,
and the torture never stops.
The torture never stops.
The torture.. the torture..
The torture never stops.
Flies all green and buzzin',
in this dungeon of despair.
An evil prince eats a steaming pig,
in a chamber right near there.
He eats the snouts and the trotters first.
The loins and the groins is soon dispersed.
His carvin' style is well rehearsed.
He stands and shouts:
All men be cursed!
All men be cursed!
All men be cursed!
All men be cursed!
And disagree?
Well, no one durst.
He's the best, of course, of all the worst.
Some wrong been done, he done it first.
And it stinks so bad, his bones been chokin',
and weepin' greenish drops.
In the night of the iron sausage,
where the torture never stops.
The torture never stops.
The torture.. the torture..
The torture never stops.
Flies all green and buzzin',
in this dungeon of despair.
Who are all those people,
that he's locked away down there?
Are they crazy?
Are they sainted?
Are they zeroes,
someone painted?
And it's never been explained,
since it first it was created.
But a dungeon, like a sin,
requires not but lockin' in,
of everything that's ever been.
Look at her.
Look at him.
That's what's the deal we're dealin' in.
That's what's the deal we're dealin' in.
That's what's the deal we're dealin' in.
That's what's the deal we're dealin' in.
Penguins in Bondage was on Zoot Allures. But it may have been a foreign release I had.
This is the kind of Republican those guys were. An Eisenhower Republican. Thay would have no truck with these loons. Eisenhower is a liberal by their standards.
http://www.eisenhowermemorial.or...uments/
1147.cfm
RE: Forrest Gump
By definition, almost, anyone who is here is unlikely to value a film in which stupidity is tied to morality. We just don't play that.
NYMary |
On the other hand, "stupid is as stupid does" reminds me SO much of the idiot in the White House.
I just treated myself to the DVD for "Ed Wood" (with Johnny Depp) the other day.
I LOVE that movie!
Fucking phenomenal movie. Now where'd I put my sweater...
Eisenhower is a liberal by their standards.
Goldwater is liberal by their standards!
Fucking Joe McCarthy would be liberal by THEIR standards.
Who took my peanut butter? I was all set to make peanut butter cookies!
Thread bombers, please stay here. All others, come upstairs, please.
Fucking phenomenal movie. Now where'd I put my sweater...
NTodd |
"Let's hear you call Boris Karloff a limey cocksucker!"
Evening Moonbats! Miss anything? My God this is a long comments section!
"Penguins in Bondage was on Zoot Allures. But it may have been a foreign release I had."
Musta been, IIRC.
That's what's the deal we're dealin' in.
That's what's the deal we're dealin' in.
That's what's the deal we're dealin' in.
That's what's the deal we're dealin' in.
Terry C
Makes "Wonderful Whino" more understandable, at least.
Fucking Bush.
Fucking Joe McCarthy would be liberal by THEIR standards.
They are progressives.
Did anyone catch the press conference a couple of days ago? Once again....the nation was told we're WINNING in Iraq and making great progress.
The wimp reporters never uttered a sound of protest.
The lies were rampant and unrelenting ...and not a word from the media on the way we're all being duped.
If you're ready to take a bat to your tv set...read this and start screaming:
IS ANYONE LISTENING?
re: forrest gump
dee-dubta's like a president forrest gump...
what i really disliked about the character, and what i also see in the chimperor, is that they'll both do anything they're told, if told with enough with enough authority and urgency, without a moment's hesitation...
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"Penguins in Bondage was on Zoot Allures. But it may have been a foreign release I had."
It's on an album called "Roxy and Elsewhere"...and also on a concert video called "Does Humor Really Belong in Music?"
Hillary Clinton is extremely unlikeable.
I'm not right wing by any stretch of the imagination but boy I dislike her.
I'm not right wing by any stretch of the imagination but boy I dislike her.
WHY?
Yep, Thers, even told him Wayne never served in the military but you can't use logic and facts with these people. He immediately launched into Kerry's service record - pure Swifty talk.
Arrrrrrrrrrrreeeeaahhhggggggg.
Took a trip to visit a local assembly of moron america™ (Lowes) yesterday, and quite frankly the "double-take, vaporlock, somethings burning, while it figgers out if I's a nigger, wetback, or 'kayda" reaction is getting tedious.
While I generally respond with a smile and a howdy, in an attempt to move myself (in their mind, into the former categories-less threatening as it must be), It just gets old.
Rip,
Your'e right.
There is no arguing, anything, with the "faithful". Your workmate listens to HaniRush for soundbitic rejoinders. Simple Willfull Ignorance.
There should be no argument, simply Mock Them™. When it all said and done, we have been the mocked, and the mockers rode the Mighty Stallion, Moron Merica™ to a nearly complete control of every reign of power.
I have always rejected "Mocking", or any form, of coercive or, manipulative forms of Attitude Ajustment. Pandering to the lowest commen denomiator is just not my style, but Jebbus H Christmas, the gloves are off.
Mocking requires a cool head. You cannot engage until the outrage has subsided. Better yet recognise that they will not take anything you have to say seriously, because, in their mind, we are the "mindless monkeys", dancing to our "organ grinders", when the reality is:
We give a damn about ourselves, and everybody else.They only give a damn about their "own", or even worse, engage in familial combat, while wreaking havok on the world.
I guess I'll have to read that book about the kids stranded on that Island
for some background on the most effective approach.
As a start, I might suggest that you embrace the concept, of laughing at whatever they pull out of their ass, shaking your head, and walking away.
If you take them seriously, you "embiggen" them. And After all we do have the "wind of truth" at our backs.
They employ a tactic of "Stungun Stupidity" designed to create the "That is so wrong on so many levels...." response. It works, early and often, and we get nowhere.
Mock them, laugh (with pointing, when appropriate), and walk away shaking your head.
You are actually "right as rain", with the added bonus of your heart being in the right place.
The Thrall of acumen and nuance, has left the building. Pointing and laughing at the stalwarts, may inevitably sway an enormous number of the victims of "buyers Remorse Republ icans"
Disclaimer,
It's Ripley's fault. But seriously pardon for the inordinately long blogasm.........
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any list of bad movies is incomplete without "Battlefield Earth."
Call me wacked,but I really enjoyed the novel.
John Trovolta just had to make that shit movie because of his connection with L Ron Hubbard.Worst movie ever.Really cool novel.Fun anyway.
On the topic of Nixon vs. Bush: who was worse: Hunter Thompson said (something like) Bush Jr. makes *Nixon* look noble.
The Editors consistently say what I wish I would have said, consistently better put than I would have put.
My sense is that it's about the courage on one's convictions, as much as it's about the briliance of one's perceptions.
This is not a race.
kent: As a start, I might suggest that you embrace the concept, of laughing at whatever they pull out of their ass, shaking your head, and walking away.
And boy they HATE that!
I mean, how DARE you refuse to take these patriotic god-fearin' MURKANS seriously?
hi you do Kosovo?
oh i agree - Your convictions about truth and the spiritual needs of the world will cause you to consider seriously the alternatives offered by groups of historic mainstream Baptists who prece
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