I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
!Vivo el Medico Dean!
YEEEEEARGH!
Verbera, Medice, istos sella!
(Hit 'em with the chair, Doc!)
Not first.
Milk stallions, hey!
Si, y also, "meow".
ees time for poquito siesta de gatos, no?
so.
Be nice, Elaine...
Veni, Vidi, Bibi.
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You heteros can run but you can't hide from your crimes.
Now where did Hitler ever get ideas like this?
“All this was inspired by the principle — which is quite true in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.”
Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs is a slimy, hatemongering fuck.
Afleet Alex just romped home in the Belmont, for you fans of the gee-gees.
hey,
does escaton classifieds grab your browser and not let go unil you clear your cashe?
Looks like Incog's drinking again.
Elaine ... Do you really think Bush can be run out of office?
Sensenbrenner is a steaming pile of shit.
Looks like 'Observer' is still a cunt.
jesus?, no one's grabbed my browser in a long time.
But thanks for asking.
Afleet Alex just romped home in the Belmont, for you fans of the gee-gees.
Shoot. Completely forgot about the race.
Hi, Moonbats!
Posted late last thread, I'll repost for those interested.
A lot more on Zach (the gay kid who was sent to a reeducation camp) at peskyfly's and at Autogeocrat's digs.
Apparently the Love in Action leader once told one of his "patients" he'd rather he commited suicide than go back to being gay. It's some very sick creepy stuff that these people are up to.
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Public Service Announcement:
Let Incog natter on. No need to respond.
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[breathes deep]
Sensenbrenner is a steaming pile of shit.
I like the name the Kotex kid, personally.
Holy Shit. Holy Shit. The missing white girl is alive. They found her.
spork_incident, shut up.
You heteros can run but you can't hide from your crimes.
Yes, dear.
VERY sneaky, SWR....
So... who's worse? Heteros, or boomers?
Hetero boomers are the worst of the worst, of course, especially if they haven't signed up to go to Afghanistan.
SWR, not amusing.
I like the name the Kotex kid, personally.
I saw that this morning, if it pisses him off....it's perfect. 
In another controversial remark, Dean recently characterized Republicans as "pretty much a white, Christian party."
During an earlier event yesterday, Mehlman poked fun at Dean's comment. At a reception for him by the Republican Jewish Coalition, held at the Duquesne Club, Mehlman quipped: "Good afternoon, my fellow white Christians."
About 3/4 here don't give a shit that gays are suffering and about 4/5 of the hetero population doesn't either. Anytime there's ever a gay issue thread, about 3/4 here don't respond. How am I wrong?
How's that little apple tree. Did you get more?
ANybody watching the scifi movie?
Its not as bad as some,but boy its got a VERY weak premise.
Mehlman poked
I'll just bet he did.
Yes, dear.
NTodd
Yes, turd.
In another controversial remark, Dean recently characterized Republicans as "pretty much a white, Christian party."
During an earlier event yesterday, Mehlman poked fun at Dean's comment. At a reception for him by the Republican Jewish Coalition, held at the Duquesne Club, Mehlman quipped: "Good afternoon, my fellow white Christians."
Howard Dean was on C Span today pushing for a resolution at the DNC to apologize for lynching.
Ronald Reagan started his presidential campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi.
Nothing more needs to be said.
*passes steve a doobie*
NTodd sez:
[breathes deep]
The gathering gloom?
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Anytime there's ever a gay issue thread, about 3/4 here don't respond. How am I wrong?
M'dear, people aren't responding to you and your rants against heteros.
Looks like Incog's drinking again.
Observer
Fuck off and die.
I like the name the Kotex kid, personally.
I saw that this morning, if it pisses him off....it's perfect.
"Congressman Sensenbrenner, do you feel that the quotes from your recent remarks were taken out of Kotex, er, I mean context?"
*barely concealed snickering*
M'dear, people aren't responding to you and your rants against heteros.
NTodd
It doesn't matter if I'm here or not, turd.
Its not as bad as some,but boy its got a VERY weak premise.
Pray, tell.
The gathering gloom?
Watchlights fade from every room.
Incog-the kid has ignorant parents. His psyche will pay for it, if he survives.
NTodd:
See what I wrote in bold above. Please.
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[breathes deep]
The gathering gloom?
I was thinking something about a plasma pool, but I'm not entirely sure why...
Heh. Frank Rich:
Had the scandal been vividly resuscitated as the long national nightmare it actually was, it would dampen all the Felt fun by casting harsh light on our own present nightmare.
There's more.
all is as flowers in a flowering universe
It doesn't matter if I'm here or not, turd.
I see your moment of calm rationality has passed. Alas.
Look, I just know what I've observed the last 2 years and by many of the subltle bigoted comments by commenters here who think their bigotry isn't showing.
Bedsitters battle lament.
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Hecate!
Nice to see you!
A few lightning bugs out this AM but stil nothing like last year's swarm (I blame Bush)
If Howard Dean speaks for you, go sign the petition (that goes for the rest of you -- be real -- it's getting lots of trolls -- they fear him)
There are plenty of responses to gay threads.
OK. I lied. They found the missing white girl's body.
And it was exactly like I suspected...
At least the Freepers aren't secretive about their bigotry.
Elaine just drops in, makes a pronouncement that gets me all giddy , and then disappears into the internets.
Earlier today she said we could get Fredo out of office.
See what I wrote in bold above. Please.
I thought Incog and I had what you might call "a process" and finally reached a certain plane of understanding. My bad.
http://rivercitymud.blogspot.com/ is Autogeocrat's blog.
Pray, tell.
Two federal A=agents encounter Zombies on a desert highway years after the massacre of a chain gang.
At least it has Lou Diamond Phillips.
Yeah, someone's moody all right.
spork - careful, watertiger hates the Moodies.
Look, I just know what I've observed the last 2 years and by many of the subltle bigoted comments by commenters here who think their bigotry isn't showing.
Ô¿Ô
Hey suck it you fucking pansy, nobody calls our insensitivity hidden.
I think the Freeper ignorant bigotry is easier to dismiss but it's the bigotry that slips out from people you had respected that's harder to take and I've had about 2 years enough of it. Tena isn't a bigot but many of you are, that's just a fact and I'm an expert at spotting it.
Hi Res --
Thanks for the Frank Rich update
Now go back to studying
BTW -- the # of signatures of on "Howeard dean Speaks for Me" petition is up to 3767
Petition whoring: The "Dean speaks for me" petition is over 3,000 in less than 24 hours.
If this will help even an ioata to encourage our timid, back-stabbing Democratic Congresspeople to stand up for us against the Republican assault then it is worthwhile in my book.
Thanks, and please pass this on if so inclined.
"To: Democrats in U.S. Congress
Recently some Democrats in Congress have chastised Governor Howard Dean, Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, saying that he does not speak for the party.
We the undersigned have a simple message we would like to convey to you:
Howard Dean Speaks For Me
And, we respectfully request that you refrain from public criticism of your fellow Democrats and that you begin to speak for us as well."
http://www.petitiononline.com/De...n/
petition.html
Fuck of NTodd, and don't condecendingly refer to me as "m'dear", asswipe.
Why does haloscan put it's damn url into links like that?
At least it has Lou Diamond Phillips.
I know that one, and have just changted the channel.
Just in time for the Zopmbie on Zombie violence.
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Prior A ... What do you know about the Vicentiennes?
NTodd, why aren't you on a bicycle right now?
Hey suck it you fucking pansy, nobody calls our insensitivity hidden.
kei & yuri
Why don't you blow it out your ass you fucking weirdo breeder.
the # of signatures of on "Howeard dean Speaks for Me" petition is up to 3767
3242 at approximately 5:15.
Not bad.
"Have fun."
"Rock on."
"Keep it Real."
"Play nice."
...the expectations are getting pretty high around here.
Too. Much. Presh-AH!
Now one zombie is killing all the rest cause diamonds father is one of them.
How about that,one hero zombie.
Said zombie walks into the desert and fades away.
How fucking quaint!
NTodd sez:
spork - careful, watertiger hates the Moodies.
watertiger has gone off to the Theatuh. So long as she doesn't read this thread later I'm safe.
Justin Heyward for Poet Laureate!
[ok, that made even me a little sick]
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Fuck of NTodd, and don't condecendingly refer to me as "m'dear", asswipe.
I sure wish you would stop berating people here, hetero or not. Anyway, I'm glad we had our little chat the last couple days. Too damned bad it's easier for you to revert to your old, bitter ways. This is the last time I will ever engage you personally. Peace out.
3242 at approximately 5:15.
Not bad at all, I was #1561 sometime before noon.
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The Circus Maximus Syndrome
By JOHN TIERNEY
American mayors believe that a leader's prime civic responsibility is to build entertainment palaces for the masses.
breeder.
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Now that's a good one. I always like that slam. Kind of bigoted, but it always hit home with me.
Prior A ... I did 7 hours today. I think it's enough. I will do another 7 tomorrow.
Do you want to ask me a con law Q?
How the fuck does it happen that I'm the only genuinely decent and honorable person who ever posts on this blog? I just don't understand it.
NTodd, why aren't you on a bicycle right now?
A) Because I'm lazy.
B) BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING HOT AND HUMID.
C) Because I'm lazy.
I got moody when I got lectured by heteros who don't know shit but want to think of themselves as so superiorly englightened and tolerant. Fuck you and your "tolerance", while I'm at it. That term alone denotes there is something wrong that needs to be tolerated in the first place. I'm not "tolerant" of blacks. They have just as much a right to exist as I do. And no dipshit, I'm not drinking but that doesn't make what I write any less correct when I do.
ouch.
Oh, change 'C' to "because there are a coupla hotties frolicking in the pond right now.
More Rich. Sounds all too familiar ...
This is the kind of lapdog news media the Nixon White House cherished. To foster it, Nixon's special counsel, Charles W. Colson, embarked on a ruthless program of intimidation that included threatening antitrust action against the networks if they didn't run pro-Nixon stories. Watergate tapes and memos make Mr. Colson, who boasted of "destroying the old establishment," sound like the founding father of today's blogging lynch mobs. He exulted in bullying CBS to cut back its Watergate reports before the '72 election. He enlisted NBC in pro-administration propaganda by browbeating it to repackage 10-day-old coverage of Tricia Nixon's wedding as a prime-time special. It was the Colson office as well that compiled a White House enemies list that included journalists who had the audacity to question administration policies.
breeder.
I never liked that band.
How the fuck does it happen that I'm the only genuinely decent and honorable person who ever posts on this blog? I just don't understand it.
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ha ha ha ha
B) BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING HOT AND HUMID.
We had exactly 3 minutes of light rain, and the temperature is holding at a balmy 81 degrees.
Down from 90.
This is the last time I will ever engage you personally. Peace out.
NTodd
Like I fucking care?
SWR
Don't do that.
How the fuck does it happen that I'm the only genuinely decent and honorable person who ever posts on this blog?
You're a legend in your own mind?
breeder.
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Now that's a good one. I always like that slam. Kind of bigoted, but it always hit home with me.
But what if you're straight, but have absolutely no desire to have kids?
breeder.
I never liked that band.
SWR
Yeah, I never like the band, cracker, either.
It's not just you hetero's, it's those stupid Arabs sticking there asses up in the air.
Colson found God in prison (fucking God, always with the camera with the ladies' room) and then authorized a comic about it!
Sounds like someone had a long, hot day down on the farm... could be time for a nap.
Like I fucking care?
Apparently not.
And no, I'm not addressing Incog. This is a soliloquy.
But what if you're straight, but have absolutely no desire to have kids?
ELI WILL BE STOPPED.
Colson is despicable.
Yeah, Pie.
It's almost fucking tolerable outside. Except for the oppressive humidity. Now the south gable end of my house is near bare of paint, the siding is going to swell and warp all to shit. Doesn't help that it's on the last breath of life either.
Oh well. Have belt sander... will modify.
I think the real pie is responding to a parody incog.
How pomo!
It's not just you hetero's, it's those stupid Arabs sticking there asses up in the air.
Ô¿Ô
For Christ's sake would someone just sleep with him?
Oh well. Have belt sander... will modify.
Nothing like a man who knows how to use an electrical gadget.
Look, believe what you want. But I know that 3/4 here are anti-gay bigots the general population in this country is 4/5.
But what if you're straight, but have absolutely no desire to have kids?
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Then you'd be me
Res sez:
Colson is despicable.
Would Tweety & Co. understand that.
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From Frank Rich in the NYT:
The July 2002 "Downing Street memo," the minutes of a meeting in which Tony Blair and his advisers learned of a White House effort to fix "the intelligence and facts" to justify the war in Iraq, was published by The London Sunday Times on May 1. Yet in the 19 daily Scott McClellan briefings that followed, the memo was the subject of only 2 out of the approximately 940 questions asked by the White House press corps, according to Eric Boehlert of Salon.
Ah -- that 'liberal media' that Charles Johnson (the ponytailed fuck) keeps whining about.
Then you'd be me
Or me.
Hey guys! Great day today: spent a few hours in the set shop and now we're going to cook out.
Would Tweety & Co. understand that.
Not if he gets ratings.
We are having a nifty little thunderstorm here.
For each wimp we loose "cause Dr. Dean says something bad about people who call us traitors and godless
child molesting scum we recover two
active voters who are exstatic that
we are finally developing a spine.
Let Joementum go.One of our big problems is that some Dems on the
national level spend too much time playing "me too" with assholes that would exterminate us if they could.
Hit 'em with the chair.If you're not willing to fight get the FUCK out of
the way so we can elect someone who will.
Compromise with the Devil and you wind up burned.
BBLARSAFHLSD!!!!!
I know what I know despite your personal attacks on me and not my arguments.
Can I be magnolia rather than Eli? Though I have kids already, but I'm done now.
pie sez:
Nothing like a man who knows how to use an electrical gadget.
Oh, my.
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dave, you would be correct, sir.
I blame NYMary that the song "Murder or a Heart Attack" is stuck in my head all the time.
For Christ's sake would someone just sleep with him?
Doh! Don't bring up the C-word...
I think SWR is a very lame ass
Oh, my.
Geez, I even modified my post.
Oh well.
Kenosha Kid,
Feel free! It's a geat song about a lost cat.
NTodd has teamed up with a anti-gay bigoted troll from Freeperville against me personally. Says it all....
*Geat* should be *great*, obviously.
It's not about Beowulf.
Something to look forward to tonight.
Art Bell's voice is almost as good as sex, in some circles.
Res--
All I know about the Vicentians is what I Google -- they were fuonded by St. Vincent de Paul (who was a good guy -- wanted to help the poor -- founded an order of sisters who actively helped the poor rather than staying in convents)
Don't know what the modern guys are up to (don't know if I ever met one -- staying locked up in the monastery like I do)
Dean sigs at 3736 -- gotta go to recreation -- DV shall return after 8:00
NTodd sez:
Doh! Don't bring up the C-word...
Oh, no, not "cows" again.
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Boston globe
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WASHINGTON -- Faced with plummeting public support for the war in Iraq, a growing number of members of Congress from both parties are reevaluating the reasons for the invasion and demanding the Bush administration produce a plan for withdrawing US troops.
The House International Relations Committee on Thursday approved a similar proposal, 32 to 9, with strong bipartisan support. Sponsored by Representative Joseph Crowley, a New York Democrat who voted to authorize force in Iraq in 2002, the proposal represents the first time a congressional committee has moved to demand steps be taken so that US troops can start coming home.
More than 100 Democrats -- including 11 who voted for the war resolution -- have signed onto a letter to President Bush requesting an explanation of the so-called Downing Street memo, a British document that charges the administration planned to go to war even without hard evidence of the presence of weapons of mass destruction.
....
Representative Walter Jones of North Carolina, a conservative Republican who voted to authorize force, said his district is growing weary of a war that has cost the lives of more than 1,600 US troops and left more than 12,000 wounded.
''I'm hearing: 'How much do we have to do? We're giving blood. We're giving money. What is the final chapter for our involvement?' I think people are looking to the administration for an explanation, whether we have done all we can do," said Jones, whose district is home to 60,000 retired military personnel.
Jones said he felt misled by the administration on the reasons for the war because no weapons of mass destruction have been found. ''If I knew [then] what I knew today, I would not have voted for the resolution," Jones said.
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Speaking of the DSM, have I mentioned
http://www.johnconyers.com ?
Looks like Conyers is getting some support in the House.
Sign the petition.
For Christ's sake would someone just sleep with him?
kei & yuri
The only one he seems to be in love with is NTodd, and that ain't happening.
Ô¿Ô, feel free to fuck off and find a more welcoming crowd.
when bush is gone like a stale pudding whom will be left to sing his sweet lament?
Art Bell's voice is almost as good as sex, in some circles.
magnolia's propaganda ministry
I know what you mean. Art Bell and his topics are the only things that really interest me anymore. The rest is trash.
NYMary sez:
*Geat* should be *great*, obviously.
It's not about Beowulf.
*Therowulf*
Sorry, I was feeling a bit Saxon there.
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''If I knew [then] what I knew today, I would not have voted for the resolution," Jones said.
Why do the Republicans love Saddam Hussein so much?
Been a bad week to start scraping the house too. I must have sweat off 20 pounds or more Not like that didn't hurt any....
Gotta be done, and I'm certainly not paying someone to do it.
NTodd has teamed up with a anti-gay bigoted troll from Freeperville against me personally. Says it all....
Ô¿Ô | Email
I always find Incog rational and fair.
That being said,he did put me off drinking milk for about three weeks.
Dry brownies...Yuck!!
BBLARS....etc.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
Just took a dip in the pond. It might be 83F with 83% humidity, but the water is fiiiiiine.
To be fair, NTodd has shown no interest in sleeping with me, either.
I stay or go when I choose or Atrios chooses, not when a dumb troll or faux enlightened liberal says.
I think SWR is a very lame ass
You seem really obsessed with my ass.
But seriously, They did find the bodies.
Don't shoot the messenger.
I found me some good wine. It's called "Black Rabbit Red", made by Edgefield. The winery used to be the Multnomah County Poor Farm.
Way better than 2 buck chuck.
On a personal note, WHEEE! my car passed smog certification. Great news for this month's budget.
Rep. Conyers is going before the Congress on thursday to request a Congressional Investigation on the "Downing Street Minutes". Move-on.com has been working with Conyers in obtaining 500,000 signatures on a petition to take with him on thursday. As of 4:08 pdt the petition has 491,217 signatures. If you haven't yet signed, please do it now.
http://www.moveonpac.org/tellthetruth/
This could be the beginning of the end of our 5 year nightmare.
I am dumber than George Bush.
Or so the facts say.
''If I knew [then] what I knew today, I would not have voted for the resolution," Jones said.
distance
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): dis·tanced; dis·tanc·ing
1 : to place or keep at a distance
2 : to leave far behind : OUTSTRIP
heh heh.
BBLARSAFHLSD!!!!!
Be back later after rain storm and four hits LSD ?
NTodd has teamed up with a anti-gay bigoted troll from Freeperville against me personally.
Man, it seems only like yesterday that Incog forgave me for my alleged wrongs against him, and now he's inventing a conspiracy in which I teamed up with a Freeper? Wow.
To be fair, NTodd has shown no interest in sleeping with me, either.
That's terrible! Perhaps a nice backrub would cheer you up...
To be fair, NTodd has shown no interest in sleeping with me, either.
That's a lie!
From cake walk to meat grinder:
Now, the Army's latest desperate attempt to gain recruits is a shortened, 15-month enlistment policy. A 15-month enlistment means that soldiers will receive only basic and advanced individual training, but none of the team and unit training our premier soldiers traditionally receive. These recruits will be shipped off to war after only five months of training, deployed to units in combat where they know no one. These inexperienced soldiers will be at an enormous disadvantage and the casualties among them will be bound to reflect that disadvantage.
The 15-month enlistment is exactly the replacement policy the Army has proudly rejected since the Vietnam War. This flawed approach was instituted then because of the urgent need to replace casualties. We ended up with units of inadequately trained soldiers who didn't know each other and weren't fully cohesive teams. The result was high casualties among the newly arrived, inexperienced soldiers -- and it will likely be the result again. It would probably be better to maintain high standards and not reduce training time, even if this leads to temporary shortages.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...5061100174.html
No, the nazis-cons weren't wrong, they didn't misjudge, everything is going according to plan. The military industrial complex has big pockets. They are having no trouble stuffing $5 billion a month in them. If the best and the bravest, soon to be just the bravest, get ground up in the Iraq meat grinder, oh well, war profiteering is hell.
Incog, would you have a nice glass of wine with me?
magnolia's propaganda ministry,
Do the McMinamallinimen (how ever they spell it) own all of Portland yet?
And no, NTodd, there's no French maid costume.
Yet.
I'm just telling you uncomfortable truths in an effort to educate you better about a topic I know a great deal about. Sorry, if the truth hurts. Nobody here will ever convince me that NTodd honestly believes gays are not somehow a lower lifeform than he.
From cake walk to meat grinder:
The intermediary cakegrinder and meatwalk stages were... unusual, to say the least.
Gotta be done, and I'm certainly not paying someone to do it.
Ba®ndog
Every minute of prep work is well worth it. We painted our house in '98 - got the Paint Shaver, did linseed oil, got good paint, everything. It's lasted great. Our neighbor did a quick-and-dirty, and it was mildewed and peeling in two years.
Of course, doing it in summer is effin' insane, but . . .
Evening Moonbats. Is the pretender still President?
Now, the Army's latest desperate attempt to gain recruits is a shortened, 15-month enlistment policy. A 15-month enlistment means that soldiers will receive only basic and advanced individual training, but none of the team and unit training our premier soldiers traditionally receive. These recruits will be shipped off to war after only five months of training, deployed to units in combat where they know no one. These inexperienced soldiers will be at an enormous disadvantage and the casualties among them will be bound to reflect that disadvantage.
Time to revive some old terminology:
* Fresh meat
* Cherry
* Cheese dick
Incog, would you have a nice glass of wine with me?
magnolia's propaganda ministry
I can't, hun, I gotta go to work a little later.
your tax dollars at work:
Pentagon Funds Diplomacy Effort
Contracts Aim to Improve Foreign Opinion of United States
By Renae Merle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 11, 2005; D01
The Pentagon awarded three contracts this week, potentially worth up to $300 million over five years, to companies it hopes will inject more creativity into its psychological operations efforts to improve foreign public opinion about the United States, particularly the military.
"We would like to be able to use cutting-edge types of media," said Col. James A. Treadwell, director of the Joint Psychological Operations Support Element, a part of Tampa-based U.S. Special Operations Command. "If you want to influence someone, you have to touch their emotions."
He said SYColeman Inc. of Arlington, Lincoln Group of the District, and Science Applications International Corp. will help develop ideas and prototypes for radio and television spots, documentaries, or even text messages, pop-up ads on the Internet, podcasting, billboards or novelty items.
Treadwell's group was established last year and includes a graphic artist and videographer, he said. It assists "psyops" personnel stationed at military headquarters overseas. Col. Sam Taylor, a spokesman for the Special Operations Command, which runs the Army's Special Forces, Navy SEALs and other elite combat units, said the contractors might help the military develop commercials in Iraq, for example, illustrating how roadside bombs meant for soldiers also harm children and other innocent civilians.
I am watching Capital Gang. That mark shields is a shrill, biased liberal. O'Beirne and Novak are Great Americans. They stay the course when mealy mouthe libdem traitors talk wussy. Hooray for USA!
And no, NTodd, there's no French maid costume.
Yet.
Yeah, apparently there was a delay in shipping. Please let me know when it arrives.
The intermediary cakegrinder and meatwalk stages were... unusual, to say the least.
Eli
Isn't Smokey the bear that made meatwalky famous?
BBLARSAFHLSD!!!!!
Be back later after rain storm and four hits LSD ?
The Kenosha Kid
Break Bush like a rusty shotgun and
fuck him like Santorums dog!
I thought everybody had seen it....
The "topic" I know a great deal about is the reason Bush is frogged up in the White House right now raping the world. You would think you'd be eager instead of dismissive to know more about it in an effort to counter it.
NTodd and NYMary?
Damn liberal blue-state swingers.
Got pictures?
Nobody here will ever convince me that NTodd honestly believes gays are not somehow a lower lifeform than he.
Wow. Just. Wow.
Artist's rendition of what NYMary looks like in a French maid outfit.
JAC,
Yeah, Eli took 'em.
Hey, Anderson Cooper is one of the judges on this episode of Iron Chef.
Yeah, Eli took 'em.
And I'm not giving 'em back.
Break Bush like a rusty shotgun and
fuck him like Santorums dog!
I like mine better.
Hey, Anderson Cooper is one of the judges on this episode of Iron Chef. - pie
Let me know when Russert is the main ingredient.
Yeah, Eli took 'em.
And I'm not giving 'em back.
Eli
But you could share them with us, couldn't you?
Got pictures?
Alas, no. Thers accidentally broke my camera with a t-ball bat.
Let me know when Russert is the main ingredient.
bo
Ew. *Way* too much marbling.
Uh, sorry Kenosha Kid, but not even close. I wish I looked that good.
Thers is trying to convince me that I can do a 2600sf roof this summer, Barndog, THEN paint the house. His innocent confidence in my abilities is charming, if a bit annoying.
pie sez:
Hey, Anderson Cooper is one of the judges on this episode of Iron Chef.
Maybe he should do that permanently. It suits his talents.
.
Yeah, Eli took 'em.
And I'm not giving 'em back.
Was that you hiding in the bushes? Regardless, I've got a C-note for ya if you e-mail me the pics. I have a hunch they'll be best sellers at Winding Roads...
Time to revive some old terminology:
* Fresh meat
* Cherry
* Cheese dick
NTodd
Cannon fodder.
Nobody here will ever convince me that NTodd honestly believes gays are not somehow a lower lifeform than he.
Wow. Just. Wow.
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 7:28 pm | #
I don't quite see why you two are so obsessed with each other.
Incog just wants you to admit you don't totally understand what it's like to be gay. You just want him to admit that you're not a serious bigot.
It should be easy. I have black friends who think I'm a racist and Jewish friends who think I'm an anti-semite. I probably have a bit of both impulses somewhere inside of me I'm not aware of.
At the same time, they realize I'm not a hard core bigot and deal with it and I deal with the fact that they don't think I'm totally free from the prejudice I was brought up with.
People are human. Americans are all pretty much bigots to a greater or lesser extent. Just deal with it.
Do the McMinamallinimen (how ever they spell it) own all of Portland yet?
bo
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Yeah I know-A friend who likes that kind of place took me for libations. Couldn't pass up their $11.00 red, after the cute waiter gave me a sample. It was a weak moment.
But you could share them with us, couldn't you?
What's in it for me?
Instead of speaking out angrily and forcefully for the rights of gays and against the fundie and Freeper bigots, liberal hetero men shrink from being labeled a fag by speaking out. If that isn't some sort of bigotry in them, I don't know what is. And it makes you all look like 'girlie men' in the end.
REPORTER CHALLENGES DEAN; MSM HORRIFIED!
Some in the Washington press corps and on Capitol Hill are in a huff because Fox News Channel anchor/reporter Brian Wilson was too aggressive with DNC chair Howard Dean at his press conference with Sen. Harry Reid yesterday.
Awwwwww.
Wilson raised his voice. And he didn't wait his turn. And he didn't ask "substantive" questions. Translation: He didn't genuflect before the Democratic leadership or the Beltway journalistic elite, and he asked exactly what viewers wanted to know.
The "topic" I know a great deal about is the reason Bush is frogged up in the White House right now raping the world. You would think you'd be eager instead of dismissive to know more about it in an effort to counter it.
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Ken Mehlman?
What's in it for me?
Eli
You sound like an effin' Republican, always looking for an angle. Think of the greater good, the social compact . . .
or I'll slip you a coupla fiddies. That work?
Maybe he should do that permanently. It suits his talents.
I read an interview on the plane that was done with him, Christiane, and Wolfie.
She was the only one who actually discussed the need for a free media.
The other two were blah, blah, blah.
Break Bush like a rusty shotgun and
fuck him like Santorums dog!
I like mine better.
The Kenosha Kid
Only if it's Windowpane.......
And I'm right 'cause I started it.
So there!
Incog just wants you to admit you don't totally understand what it's like to be gay.
No he doesn't. He wants to paint me as a bigot.
Funny thing is, he's never once engaged me individually. He's never asked me about my background. He's never tried to tell me about his experiences.
He only engages in bigoted statements and sweeping generalizations and assumes he knows my inner person. I tried being nice, I tried being mean, I tried reconciliation. I've officially given up, but when I see such harsh words coming from a guy who has no understanding of my life, I get a bit upset.
Was that you hiding in the bushes? Regardless, I've got a C-note for ya if you e-mail me the pics. I have a hunch they'll be best sellers at Winding Roads...
I'm the bird! I'm the little bird!"
It should be easy. I have black friends who think I'm a racist and Jewish friends who think I'm an anti-semite. I probably have a bit of both impulses somewhere inside of me I'm not aware of.
Yeah, but that wouldn't prevent you from speaking out forcefully and stridently on behalf of their rights if they were threatened because you wouldn't be labled black or Jewish. Hetero males shrink from speaking out for equal right and no persecution of gays out of fear being labled gay. So the bigotry is much deeper.
Dean petition # is 3805 as of 5:23 mdt
or I'll slip you a coupla fiddies. That work?
Spoken like a true patriot, sir.
silence! - apt name.
and he asked exactly what viewers wanted to know.
What stoopid, ill-informed, non-thinking faux viewers *wanted* to know, ya mean.
You're hilarious.
So NTodd's the victim now?
Hetero males shrink from speaking out for equal right and no persecution of gays out of fear being labled gay.
You're wrong about at least one hetero male I know intimately.
So NTodd's the victim now?
Who said that?
Spoken like a true patriot, sir.
Eli
And on that note, to the strains of Victoria Williams and to the lovely bouquet of a good Bourbon, DCC and I bid you a good night and a Fuck Bush.
Enjoy your weekends, my friends!
Eli, that was pretty funny.
I'm the bird! I'm the little bird!
You're a loony.
GOP: The Pants Tent Party
Porn star candidate to attend GOP dinner
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The annual President's Dinner, a Republican Party fundraising event featuring President Bush, could get an extra dash of spice this year with porn actress and former California gubernatorial candidate Mary Carey planning to attend.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/
POLITICS...tion=cnn_latest
Poor melhman will be bored.
Some in the Washington press corps and on Capitol Hill are in a huff because Fox News Channel anchor/reporter Brian Wilson was too aggressive with DNC chair Howard Dean at his press conference with Sen. Harry Reid yesterday.
I saw that on C-SPAN earlier and it was a frenzied mob-scene against Dean's earlier comments about repukes. It was bizarre their screaming at him like their hair was on fire.
Eli, that was pretty funny.
One of my favorite SNL sketches of all time.
Wilson raised his voice. And he didn't wait his turn. And he didn't ask "substantive" questions. Translation: He didn't genuflect before the Democratic leadership or the Beltway journalistic elite, and he asked exactly what viewers wanted to know.
silence!
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A real journo would ask questions that the viewers NEED to know. Hell, I want to know everythings gonna be alright too, but Brain Wilson isn't going to make it so. Kick the arrogant scum out of my Congress.
You're a loony.
There were... a variety of charges.
I'm afraid of reporters. They weren't allowed in my Park Avenue building when I was growing. I'm a pampered ass, but I like to sound tough. My ego has really grown.
YEEEEEEEEEARGH!
Brain Wilson isn't going to make it so. Kick the arrogant scum out of my Congress.
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Or wherever he showed up yesterday throwing his weight around without a press pass.
She was the only one who actually discussed the need for a free media.
Amanpour has, in the past, indicated (read: said outright) her displeasure with the US media. I'd like her to really let go but she would never again work in this country.
Anybody remember Ashley Banfield? Hot Canadian hired for her hotness. Sent to Afghanistan at the beginning of the war. Unfortunately she turned out to be a decent journalist. Came back, gave a speech about how she was told to tone down the truth by her network? Demoted and, as far as I know, not even on US teevee anymore.
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Porn star candidate to attend GOP dinner
Happy birthday, Mr. President...
(No criticism of Marilyn intended.)
You're wrong about at least one hetero male I know intimately.
NTodd
That's just a statement from you. I've never seen that demonstrated here so I don't know what you do around your neighborhood, for instance. But I think it's safe to assume that most liberal hetero males don't speak out for equal rights and no persecution of gays out of fear of being labeled gay. You're not going to convince me otherwise.
YEEEEEEEEEARGH!
YEEEEEEEEEARGH
It just needs repeating.
Yeah, but that wouldn't prevent you from speaking out forcefully and stridently on behalf of their rights if they were threatened because you wouldn't be labled black or Jewish.
Well I can when it comes to blacks. Most blacks will never trust me (probably for good reason since my father's close to being a Klansman).
With Jews, I'm anti-Israel. Most of them will never trust me (even the liberal ones who are as anti-Israel as I am) because they'll always be asking themselves "why is this Christian dude interested in Israel at all".
I'm not so sure about gays. I have no idea how they think or why they think the way I do. I support gay marriage and I'm willing to do it pretty vigorously.
Of course if I were a Palestinian, I wouldn't trust me either. I'm anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian because I tend to be iconoclastic and hating Arabs became mainstream after 9/11. Who knows. When the 'Merkin people switch over from hating Arabs to hating Mexicans, I may start siding with the Israelis instead. I don't really like Arabs, to tell you the truth.
OK. I'm willing to admit all that. But I'm not from the middle-class and I don't teach at an Ivy League school.
So I have no illusions that I'm enlightened in any way. My class status or my self-image doesn't really depend on it. Call me a racist. I probably am. I don't really care.
Of course I used to. Back in the early 90s I used to walk on eggshells around blacks and Jews and gays. Then at some point, I realized it wasn't worth it.
With "Ntodd" I have yet to decide whether he's the typical upper middle-class liberal elitist who does't think you should dare question his enightened state of mind.
Or if he's just honest and finds you genuinely irritating whatever your sexual orientation. Who knows. Who cares. You two should just get a room.
Came back, gave a speech about how she was told to tone down the truth by her network? Demoted and, as far as I know, not even on US teevee anymore.
Hopefully, she'll be back. I wonder what she's doing now.
I admire her tremendously. That's courage.
I've never seen that demonstrated here so I don't know what you do around your neighborhood, for instance.
1) How the fuck would I demonstrate that here, exactly?
2) Of course you don't know what I do around my neighborhood because you made bigoted assumptions about me and never bothered to ask.
Anyway, the press conference with the screaming Fox News reporter was bizarre. It sounded like her/his tongue was hanging out and gagging screaming at Dean severe pain. Dean told them none of them would be setting the Democratic agenda.
I want to know when the MSM will start focusing on the progress in Iraq? I'd also like to know when they will start focusing on the World Series hopes of the Kansas City Royals. All they do is report wins and losses and how many games back the Royals are! But they totally ignored that the clubhouse has just been repainted!
Fuck Tex Sensenbrenner.
I'm afraid of reporters. They weren't allowed in my Park Avenue building when I was growing. I'm a pampered ass, but I like to sound tough. My ego has really grown.
I make it a policy to not respond or comment on trolls.
But...that was really, really, weak.
.
"Dean told them none of them would be setting the Democratic agenda."
I saw that. That quote was one of the best parts. I heart Dean more and more.
I'm afraid of reporters. They weren't allowed in my Park Avenue building when I was growing. I'm a pampered ass, but I like to sound tough. My ego has really grown.
Dr. Dean is a New Yorker?
I love him even more now.
You're not going to convince me otherwise.
Well, I guess the discussion's over then, isn't it.
Too bad, Incog. You come out the loser.
out of fear of being labeled gay.
I don't care if people think I'm gay. Well, let me qualify that. People already think I'm gay.
Does anyone know if CSPAN is covering the June 16 Downing Street Minutes events?
Check out the London Times Sunday edition - The Leak that changed minds on the Iraq war. Revelations about a cabinet office briefing paper discussing bombing that starte in August of 2002.
I'm afraid of reporters. They weren't allowed in my Park Avenue buildi...
blah blah blah clinton got a blow job blah blah 9/11 changed everything blah blah howard dean's mean blah blah something about negroes blah Marla ruzicka worked for the insurgency blah blah blah kerry threw his medals blah blah global warming is a liberal plot blah blah blah it's obvious that if we just wait a little longer that we will come to a place from which we will be able to see a place from which we can see a point where will get a clear picture of the fact that we have reached the turning point in iraq....
People already think I'm gay.
Welcome to my world.
out of fear of being labeled gay.
All straight guys are afraid of being labeled gay. The entire reason for being a straight guy is to prove you're not gay.
But I don't necessarily think people are going to think you're gay because you're pro gay. It's often a way of saying "see I'm so straight I've got gay friends".
NTodd is the typical liberal hetero male who wont speak out out of fear of being labeled gay. In the end, you let the hardcore bigots define the debate. SWR and Phila are the meaningless exceptions of hetero liberal males who will.
I loved my parents' Park Avenue apartment. There were no blacks living there. Then I became governor of Vermont, also no blacks there, virtually. I only feel safe around white people. I want to be governor of Maine.
HoneyBear ... He did grow up in NYC!
Res Ipsa Loquitur, you're going to be a fabulous lawyer. 
"it's obvious that if we just wait a little longer that we will come to a place from which we will be able to see a place from which we can see a point where will get a clear picture of the fact that we have reached the turning point in iraq...."
Res Ipsa Loquitur
Could you repeat that please? I was out of the room.
Welcome to my world.
C'est la vie.
Liberal hetero males who wont speak out are examples of soft-core antigay bigotry.
Do you think we can get Linda Tripp on the phone with Jimmy/Jeff Gannon/Guckert? Hell, it's worth a shot.
Thank G_d Mars is moving into Aries tonight. That should allow me to sweep all of you incredibly psilly people into nice tidy piles and then sort you out.
Or at the very least, insist in the hot summer days, that everybody goes down for a nap sometime between noon and 3.30pm. You're all over tired, working too hard and too stressed.
Now, stop it. Go drink something. Or eat something. Better than anything, sit down and be quiet.
Criminetlies.
I loved my parents' Park Avenue apartment.
I lost a brother during the Viet Nam war.
Howard Dean
Fuck off, troll.
ah ... the "liberals are racists" meme ...
soft-core antigay bigotry
I find all soft core to be a little boring, but I guess the point isn't to pay attention for all that long...
Lay of the land report #1
This afternoon we did the annual pilgrimage to the open houses for the graduating seniors. Usually this consists of the hockey team. In an effort to keep the world informed of the thoughts of Muskegonites on politics, here are a couple of observations:
Russ - who runs a large office furniture manufacturing concern in Grand Rapids is pissed at the war. He says he never wanted us in there and we had best get out now.
Tom - the local owner of a string of title companies is pissed at the Terry Shrivo case. He stated, emphatically, that the government had no business intruding on a private matter.
John - local manufacturing executive with three sons of draft age believes that the draft is coming, but will not allow his hockey playing sons to go - he will send them and keep them in Canada.
Jim - local business owner just hates Bush. His sister in law is on the Republican national committee and he was asked to see the president when he came to Muskegon. Even after an up close and personal visit: he hates him.
So, among the Republican types in my sphere, Bush is not very popular and bordering on a pathological hatred - something I understand very well.
GWPDA,
I passed steve a doobie. He must have just lit it.
What happened to "have fun"?
...boy, you go try to do some w*rk for an hour...
ah ... the "liberals are racists" meme ...
Of course they are All Americans are racists.
Where the conservatives go wrong is thinking that if they point out examples of liberals being less than enlightened then it absolves them of their own racism.
There's the logical fallacy.
soft-core antigay bigotry
I find all soft core to be a little boring, but I guess the point isn't to pay attention for all that long...
Even Spiderbigot? I heard that one was quite good.
trolls are scared of the good doctor.
Oh look, another deranged wingnut waxing hysterical.
:::yawn:::
GWPDA:word. Keep your eye on the prize and remember who the enemy is . . . .
Holy crap, Derek!
The briefing paper, for participants at a meeting of Blair’s inner circle on July 23, 2002, said that since regime change was illegal it was “necessary to create the conditions” which would make it legal.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...1650822,00.html
DWD, that is great news.
I'm more of a Bob, Carol, Ted and Bigot sort of person. Ted and Bigot have some hilarious, arousing scenes together.
I don't know if there are any conservative republicans in the traditional sense lurking here, but these wingnut trolls waxing hysterical is what you stand for?
The DSM isn't getting the attention it should from the MSM. We need Linda Tripp to call Jimmy/Jeff right away.
Is it to late to discuss the worst song of all time? Or maybe biofuels?
NYMary, this is what they were hinting at earlier in the week? Good: not rationalize that away MSM!
Is it to late to discuss the worst song of all time? Or maybe biofuels?
Should I blogwhore the monkey economics again?
But does Jimmy/Jeff have an unlaundered blue dress?
NTodd is the typical liberal hetero male who wont speak out out of fear of being labeled gay.
Hey, I dug up an old blog post for you.
And again, what do you know about my background? Come on, man, engage me instead of making bigoted assumptions about me. You can do it. There was a glimmer of that yesterday. Remember?
"The briefing paper, for participants at a meeting of Blair’s inner circle on July 23, 2002, said that since regime change was illegal it was “necessary to create the conditions” which would make it legal."
There have been rumblings about this for a few days now. The evidence keeps piling on. I'm waiting until June 16. I hope more is revealed then.
I lost a brother during the Viet Nam war.
Howard Dean
I am entitled because my brother died in Viet Nam. 59,000 others also died, but I am more important.
The briefing paper, for participants at a meeting of Blair’s inner circle on July 23, 2002, said that since regime change was illegal it was “necessary to create the conditions” which would make it legal.
Rut roh.
The plot sickens.
A Horse with no name.....hands down, unless Bush is attempting to milk it, then it would be a horse named Jimmy/Jeff.
Come on, man, engage me instead of making bigoted assumptions about me.
Why do you care if he thinks you're anti-gay or not?
wait a little longer that we will come to a place from which we will be able to see a place from which we can see a point where will get a clear picture of the fact that we have reached the turning point in iraq....
Res Ipsa Loquitur |
The light at the end of the tunnel is
the headlight on an incoming train.
Hi Res Ipsa!
I may need to hire you.
Wadda ya know about labor law?
NYMary - thanks.
Go Sunday Times!
Read the article, DWD. The Times of London think Bush is going down over this.
The briefing paper is certain to add to the pressure, particularly on the American president, because of the damaging revelation that Bush and Blair agreed on regime change in April 2002 and then looked for a way to justify it.
There has been a growing storm of protest in America, created by last month’s publication of the minutes in The Sunday Times. A host of citizens, including many internet bloggers, have demanded to know why the Downing Street memo (often shortened to “the DSM” on websites) has been largely ignored by the US mainstream media.
Even Spiderbigot? I heard that one was quite good.
It was really cool how Spiderbigot could shoot a web from her ass, and it would only stick to queers and darkies. The sex scenes with other bigots was boring: only missionary style.
Ad hominem 101: This is a required course for all trolls. It will teach you the most important fallback "argument" when you "got nuthin'." 4 cr.
Of course they are All Americans are racists.
I don't know if all Americans are racist but I think we all have our prejudices to varying degrees. That's only natural. We do have a tribal past.
How the fuck does it happen that I'm the only genuinely decent and honorable person who ever posts on this blog? I just don't understand it.
Incognito is the only genuinely decent and honorable person who ever posts on this blog.
Why should that be difficult to understand?
All hail incognito!
In fact, from now on, I'll think of this as incognito's blog. Fuck that homophobic Atrios.
Have fun with your blog, incognito.
And remember, not just anyone can be brave on the Internets.
See y'all.
NYMary,
Doncha just wish we could get that kind of stuff out here in the land of democracy?
Sean, Thank Derek. This is.... bad for Blair and Bush.
Fucking April?!?
Our challenge for a pluralitic society is to strive for inclusiveness and equality for all. We don't have any other choice.
Why do you care if he thinks you're anti-gay or not?
I hate lies. I hate them. I hate people making assumptions about me.
Jesus, you sound like my shrink: "I wonder why you want to be accepted by everybody and worry about what people think?" I'm working through it, though. God bless Vitamin P.
I am entitled
Walk in his shoes, troll.
No, that's impossible. That's your fucking problem.
You're missing the empathy gene.
I don't really like Arabs, to tell you the truth.
SWR - (a little late) How could you make a stereotype statement like that? It sounds small minded, like someone saying people from Arkansas or somewhere are all hicks.
Rumblings:
More in Congress want Iraq exit strategy
A bipartisan group of House members is drafting a resolution that calls on the administration to present a strategy for getting the United States out of Iraq, reflecting an increasing restlessness about the war in a chamber that 2 1/2 years ago voted overwhelmingly to support the use of force in Iraq.
...
Representative Walter Jones of North Carolina, a conservative Republican who voted to authorize force, said his district is growing weary of a war that has cost the lives of more than 1,600 US troops and left more than 12,000 wounded.
...
Jones said he felt misled by the administration on the reasons for the war because no weapons of mass destruction have been found. ''If I knew [then] what I knew today, I would not have voted for the resolution," Jones said.
http://www.boston.com/news/natio..._exit_strategy/
Incognito is the only genuinely decent and honorable person who ever posts on this blog.
Why should that be difficult to understand?
All hail incognito!
In fact, from now on, I'll think of this as incognito's blog. Fuck that homophobic Atrios.
Have fun with your blog, incognito.
And remember, not just anyone can be brave on the Internets.
See y'all.
monica_nyc
Kinda dumb to respond to a name-stealer as responding to me.
You know I caught part of Spiderbabe last night. Good god.
Isn't Walter Jones the inventor of Freedom Fries?
I like to get the DVDs, because a lot of them come with multi-angle bigotry, and bigot commentary.
NYMary, so the London Times is doing the work that the American Press refuses to do.
The London Times? Aren't they sorta conservative?
You know I caught part of Spiderbabe last night. Good god.
Awesome, wasn't it?
In fact, from now on, I'll think of this as incognito's blog. Fuck that homophobic Atrios.
And I never suggested anywhere that hetero was a bigot. Don't put words in my writings, bitch.
Hey, you lovely moonbats, what in the hell have I missed this past week?
[last night it got down to 24 here - hard freeze. Been snowing up high since yesterday, and it's not exactly warm now. I love it!]
I don't know if all Americans are racist but I think we all have our prejudices to varying degrees. That's only natural. We do have a tribal past.
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I find that a real meme running through a lot of right-wingers' logic is that if they can prove that liberals are as bad as they are that somehow justifies what they do.
Thus, if they can prove that Howard Dean grew up privilaged, that means that any questioning of privilage is hypocritical.
I don't quite get this. But maybe it's because (while I'm an atheist) I believe in the concept of original sin. I just assume everybody's corrupt and that idea of having a brain is to work against it. You will fail. But if you're trying to justify your own sin by appealing to other peoples' corruption, then you're not acknowledging your own sin.
But it's essentially the reason I'm not a conservative anymore. Conservativism is trendy and mainstream right now so it tends to attract a lot of people who assume that "if everybody's doing it" then it's OK.
Walter Jones probably took a peek-a-boo at the latest polls.
Howard Dean's brother died in Viet Nam. Nothing else matters. We must treat Howard Dean like a special person.
Oh, and he's a democrat, too.
Why the hell didn't anyone take Paul O"Neill's claim seriously? Jesus, Bush was planning war from the very first fucking cabinet meeting, and hell he told his damned biographer about in in 1999. What the fuck are we waiting for. Bring on the resolution of inquiry. Every damned day from here on.
Kinda dumb to respond to a name-stealer as responding to me.
No, it is you, incognito, and you are the reason I won't bother hanging out here.
Enjoy your blog.
hetero = Atrios
I guess some of you will jump on that mistake in my spelling to attack me, now.
The London Times? Aren't they sorta conservative?
pie
When were you born?
Stooooooopid!
SWR - (a little late) How could you make a stereotype statement like that?
Because I'm an American. And I'm a racist.
I support the Palestinians against he Israelis but I like the Israelis more than I like the Palestinians since the Israelis are whiter and closer to me culturally.
I'm not saying it's right. I'm just acknowledging my own bigotry.
pie,
Yes, usually. They're probably just aching to bring down Blair, which is part of what this is about, I assume. Other than the fuckwittage about Iraq, he's usually pretty good. So I don't know what's going on. It's a lot easier to replace a PM than a president, though. I don't expect old Tony to be around much longer.
Evening Moonbats!
Howard Dean's brother died in Viet Nam. Nothing else matters.
What sacrifices have you made for your country?
Huh?
Enjoy your blog.
monica_nyc
Good, you don't really add anything worthwhile except arguing with the trolls, endlessly, if you believe that's worthwhile, bitch.
Wadda ya know about labor law?
hi, flint.
I don't know a thing about labor law (and I'm not allowed to give legal advice at this point, anyway). But if you need someone I worked for a guy -- very reasonably priced -- who's done a lot of that stuff. I also had a professor -- who will be not-so-reasonably-priced -- who is a major figure in labor law.
Lemme know if you want me to hook you up. They're both in NY.
I've got two absolutely adorable daughters. They can handle any situation with total aplomb. Whether it's getting gang-banged by a pack of drunken frat boys or shaking down oil company execs for six-figure campaign donations, my darling girls never drop a stitch, miss a beat, or dodge a gob of splooge.
monica_nyc,
I hear ya, sister. My filter's getting kind of clogged, I must say. But I'm genuinely interested in this London Times thing.
HoneyBear ... He did grow up in NYC!
Res Ipsa Loquitur
I didn't know.
Also love your blah blah blah.
I've got to use that sometime.
With your permission of course.
I don't think that racism is so unavoidable. I think it is learned.
Nothing better to do:
WASHINGTON --A musician long before she became an academic and then a world-famous diplomat, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice took to the Kennedy Center concert stage Saturday to accompany a young soprano battling an often-fatal disease.
Rice's rare and unpublicized appearance at the piano marked a striking departure from her routine as America's No. 1 diplomat. A pianist from the age of 3 she played a half-dozen selections to accompany Charity Sunshine, a 21-year-old singer who was diagnosed with pulmonary hypertension a little more than a year ago.
http://www.boston.com/news/natio...ailing_soprano/
Scary in a deja vu kinda way. During the summer of 2001 rice was busy tickling the ivories while the system was blinking red and tenet was running around with his hair on fire.
I don't quite get this. But maybe it's because (while I'm an atheist) I believe in the concept of original sin. I just assume everybody's corrupt and that idea of having a brain is to work against it. You will fail. But if you're trying to justify your own sin by appealing to other peoples' corruption, then you're not acknowledging your own sin.
They can't "win" any other way but by using the methods they use. It's been very effective so far.
I don't expect old Tony to be around much longer.
I hope that Tony's demise will be the iceberg that causes the bushtanic to sink.
hi deepthought
"Point of Order Mr Whineybaby"
Laura Flanders show covering yesterdays hearing that was abruptly cut off by binky-boy Sessenbrenner.
http://www.airamericaradio.com/
underwhelm, it is learned, and not all Americans are bigots.
Why is it a crime not to talk all the time about one issue, or not strongly enough, then immediately turn around and hurl a gender-based slur?
Hiya Moonbats... People are bar-b-q-ing all over and it smells so good. Damn!
I don't think that racism is so unavoidable. I think it is learned.
I agree. Parents have a huge affect.
SWR - Well, appreciate your honesty.
I found any soft bigotry I had (if I ever had it) disappeared after living among Arabs, Africans, and Mexicans. OTOH, I saw many coworkers that became bigger bigots after living among the same. For me, it was seeing they just want the same things we do - A roof over their heads, food on the table, an education for their children, and some sense of security when leaving their homes.
I don't think that racism is so unavoidable. I think it is learned.
Bingo!!!!!!
And Projection is a wellknown psychological coping mechanism.
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This was required because, even if ministers decided Britain should not take part in an invasion, the American military would be using British bases. This would automatically make Britain complicit in any illegal US action.
NYMary,
This is big. Let's see if there is a mention of it tomorrow on the Sunday talkfest.
This is not going away, even if the MSM ignores it.
Now I know why Colin Powell was on the Daily Show. They're trying to get ahead of what is coming at them.
Last night I heard James Zogby say that there are more photos from Abu Ghraib coming out at the end of the month,too.
God bless Vitamin P.
if that's what i think it is, only works for so long.
but i like you, incog. too, (tho crying victim is most annoying).
hi, tena.
So, I guess I'll have some spinach. I bet all those people will wish they had spinach, too.
I've got to use that sometime.
With your permission of course.
HoneyBear ... You can use it, PROVIDED it is with attribution, i.e., © Res Ipsa Loquitur, 2005
BTW ... I have a NYer profile of Dean if you want to read it. I can email it.
A pianist from the age of 3 she played a half-dozen selections to accompany Charity Sunshine, a 21-year-old singer who was diagnosed with pulmonary hypertension a little more than a year ago.
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Wouldn't forcing piano lessons on a 3 year old be child abuse. I have an aquaintance that's a fine blue grass fiddler that comlains his parents made him practice at five. He's pissed but a professional fiddler. I'm Glad he's not in politics though.
For me, it was seeing they just want the same things we do - A roof over their heads, food on the table, an education for their children, and some sense of security when leaving their homes.
Of course they do but you don't understand the racist impulse. It's all about hierarchy. It's about the ability to deny "them" the things that "we" want. It's a way of affirming your own power to yourself.
Good, you don't really add anything worthwhile except arguing with the trolls, endlessly, if you believe that's worthwhile, bitch.
You sound just like someone in the Bush administration trying to squelch criticism.
Ugh.
I don't think that racism is so unavoidable. I think it is learned.
underwhelm
I think those who look very different from us, and when I use the word "us", I use it very loosely, like Asians or blacks, there's a natural tribal reaction to see them as 'the other' and be suspicious. Later, as the majority, we will, as a majority, attach bigotry to those fears. I do think that bigotry to those fears over time. I think that anti-gay bigotry is completely learned. There is fear because society has created those conditions for that fear, bigotry is attached to it over time. It's up to us using our minds to overcome those fears with education is reason.
Colon, opps, Colin was totally let off the hook by Jon when he was on. I was really disappointed with Jon that night. He was intimidated by the Colon.
charley - Hi.
Someone actually responded!
What's going on?
OT, but...
Watching 9th Circut arguments on CSPAN.
So can someone explain once again what Dems gained in the filibuster compomise? I mean, the appellate nominations have now been approved and a supreme appears next. What's to stop the Repugs from doing away with the filibuster then?
What was gained in other words, other than giving the Repugs the appearance of moderation, or was this just another in ongoing list of Ben Nelson style capitulations made in the name of moderation and comity?
I don't think that racism is so unavoidable. I think it is learned.
I agree. Parents have a huge affect.
pie | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:14 pm | #
This is pretty amusing coming from a person who is absolutely obsessed with dividing everything into "us" vs. "them", "good" vs. "evil," people utterly devoted to John Kerry from trolls.
I don't know you but the sense I get of you is that your psychological well-being absolutely depends on there being absolutely no uncertainty about who's on which side.
Maybe you're not racist though. Maybe all of your tribal instinct is projected into politics.
I don't think that racism is so unavoidable. I think it is learned.
I agree.
Had that argument at a big racism thingy that my _alma mater_ had in the wake of a truly racist incident. One of the dudes in my workshop declared "we're all racists".
I think we all have prejudices based on experience and learning. Our species has survived because individuals make guesses about one another as they try to figure out the social structure and who they can trust and cooperate with. It's only natural to have a tendency to stick with people who are "like you".
This begs the question: who are people like you? Depends on how you were raised, how diverse your immediate community is, etc.
Prejudice really is a natural prejudging, and there probably is no escape from it (evolutionary psych people may or may not agree). The important thing is what you do in reaction to it. Do you reject somebody? Do you treat them badly? Or do you engage with them individually and find common ground with them?
That's the same whether it's a white dude and a black dude bumping into each other in the subway, a hetero guy and a lesbian meeting at a party, or two queers being introduced at work.
They fuck you up, your mum and dad
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.
with education and reason
For me, it was seeing they just want the same things we do - A roof over their heads, food on the table, an education for their children, and some sense of security when leaving their homes.
Yep, really all a body wants, no matter where it was born. Or what its sexual orientation.
But to explain away all of the misery and unfairness in the world, stories need to be constructed (by the powerful) to keep the rest of us at each others throats. Lest we start thinking about upsetting the pretty apple cart.
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Tena, are you finally online?!!
How are you?
(Someone named Tena posted the other night and then disappeared.)
If the nutball "Howard "nutcase" Dean" was around my brother for a few seconds he would get his all kicked. He was in Nam. His whole platoon was wiped one time, He spent over a month in the hospital from wounds recieved.
NEVER make fun of the 59,000.
Never
Good men died there.
Good men are dieing now because of bush
I guess I should read the thread to see what everyone's talking about. I note that the Sensenbrenner dealie is high on the list. What a rat bastard!
who says Romeo and Juliet ever goes out of style? fortunately, no one died (yet) but there were gunshot wounds.
evening all.
Goddamit but there are times I'd dearly love to consign all your worthless doughy asses to a real-life Shawshank Prison for a little shock therapy with the Sisters. Unfortunately I really do think it's gonna take a tough love approach to teach most of you proper respect for gay people.
Hiya Magnolia! I see you're continuing the good fight, spreading propaganda about Mr. Whineybaby. 
oldwhitelady,
Saute some onions and garlic in olive oil, then throw the spinach in just long enough to wilt. Assuming it's fresh spinach, of course.
My fave!
Hiya Tena,
I presume you are back up in the mountains again?
Was wondering earlier about yer whereabouts.
Must make beer run, back soon.
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BTW ... I have a NYer profile of Dean if you want to read it. I can email it.
Res Ipsa Loquitur
I'd love to read it.
Thanks
Colon, opps, Colin was totally let off the hook by Jon when he was on. I was really disappointed with Jon that night. He was intimidated by the Colon.
Vinnie
To me it seemed like half way through the interview Jon just put his head down and said "I'm never going to get the truth out of this guy" and he lost interest.
The "compromise" was bullshit. Haven't the D's figured out by now that you simply can't trust these fucking whacko religio-crackpots? They will fuck the D's over and laugh all the way to the Supreme Court.
This is pretty amusing coming from a person who is absolutely obsessed with dividing everything into "us" vs. "them", "good" vs. "evil," people utterly devoted to John Kerry from trolls.
What?!!!
I remember you last bashing Jane Fonda before you had all the facts.
You were wrong.
And if I had to pick between Kerry and Bush?
Fuck off.
God bless Vitamin P.
if that's what i think it is, only works for so long.
Nah, Prozac has been shown to be consistently positive over the longhaul. In fact, combined with therapy people who are depressed can often retrain their brain and be cured (for lack of a better word).
I actually did that back in '97, but major stressors can cause a sorta relapse, and I fell back into it starting in 2001. Some of us really just have organic brain chemistry problems and need to just deal with it like any other chronic condition.
One of the dudes in my workshop declared "we're all racists".
You're confusing someone who acknowledes his own racism with someone who says "we're all racists" to justify it.
In reality, it's somewhere in the middle. We all have some kind of tribal, group instincts but they've been perverted by economics/politics/class.
Thus my natural tribalism has been perverted into hatred of blacks because I live in a culture that's based on justifying slavery.
Take away the history of slavery and tribalism becomes something fairly benign, and race becomes something like the difference between having blond and red hair.
NYMary - that does sound delicious. The spinach is canned, no fresh garlic, but I could still saute some onions.. Mmmm.
underwhelm - that's one of my favorite poems.
When I was still taking Granta, they put out an issue that had the title: Family, they Fuck you up.
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I don't know if all Americans are racist but I think we all have our prejudices to varying degrees. That's only natural. We do have a tribal past.
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You are so right.
Well spoken
Let me try this again:
I think those who look very different from us, and when I use the word "us", I use it very loosely, like Asians or blacks, there's a natural tribal reaction to see them as 'the other' and be suspicious. Later, as the majority and ignorance, we will attach bigotry to those fears. I do think those fears are the orginal source of bigotry.
I think that anti-gay bigotry is completely learned. There is fear because society has created the conditions for that fear whether is being labeled as gay or the fear they may "turn gay" if it's not fiercly repressed whenever they believe it expresses itself. It's up to us, using our minds to overcome those fears with education and reason.
It's about the ability to deny "them" the things that "we" want.
That can be a nationalist impulse, or a class impulse, or... I see what you're saying about tribalism, we have the capacity to include and exclude people from our various communities. In that way, race is a convenient, very ill-defined shotcut. People can pick who to exclude without a secret handshake or something.
But because race is soo ill defined, I would say the example you provided might be more cultural or nationalist than racist, for example.
What?!!!
I remember you last bashing Jane Fonda before you had all the facts.
You were wrong.
And if I had to pick between Kerry and Bush?
Fuck off.
pie | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:23 pm | #
In other words, I'm not pure enough, I'm not totally on your side, and I can't be trusted.
Thus, it's better just to assume that I'm a "troll".
Kind of like Othello saying "once in doubt decided."
All this talk about racism reminds me of the lyrics to that song from So. Pacific. You must carefully taught..
DeepThought_42
I take my work very seriously, and expect medals when the war is won. I've just begun to fight.
I know I know. I should learn to write.
tena,
well, you have been missed, and i've also been away, liv'n in miami beach sort of, if you can call it living.
actually i have a room with two gay guys. wait, that didn't sound right.
anyway, ones cuban, one is from nicaragua. cool guys.
the dogs (one is a great dane 225 lbs., yeah let arthur get a load of that puppy) are a different story. but that's just 'cause i don't like dogs.
Well I'm just not sure I get what it was about. Reports were that certain Repugs would not advance some of the extreme apellate nominees. That hasn't happened, so what's next. The filibusters preserved only so long as the Repugs get their way in other words. I hope I'm wrong, but that's the way it appears to me (at the moment).
Somehow, and forgive the pejorative, the compromise seems quintessential Lieberman/Nelson.
You're confusing someone who acknowledes his own racism with someone who says "we're all racists" to justify it.
No I'm not. He literally said that and believed it. He ultimately became a good friend of mine (a fave shroom buddy, in fact), but we really argued passionately for a long time about that.
MINISTERS were warned in July 2002 that Britain was committed to taking part in an American-led invasion of Iraq and they had no choice but to find a way of making it legal.
The warning, in a leaked Cabinet Office briefing paper, said Tony Blair had already agreed to back military action to get rid of Saddam Hussein at a summit at the Texas ranch of President George W Bush three months earlier.
The briefing paper, for participants at a meeting of Blair’s inner circle on July 23, 2002, said that since regime change was illegal it was “necessary to create the conditions” which would make it legal.
This was required because, even if ministers decided Britain should not take part in an invasion, the American military would be using British bases. This would automatically make Britain complicit in any illegal US action.
“US plans assume, as a minimum, the use of British bases in Cyprus and Diego Garcia,” the briefing paper warned. This meant that issues of legality “would arise virtually whatever option ministers choose with regard to UK participation”.
The paper was circulated to those present at the meeting, among whom were Blair, Geoff Hoon, then defence secretary, Jack Straw, the foreign secretary, and Sir Richard Dearlove, then chief of MI6. The full minutes of the meeting were published last month in The Sunday Times.
The document said the only way the allies could justify military action was to place Saddam Hussein in a position where he ignored or rejected a United Nations ultimatum ordering him to co-operate with the weapons inspectors.
Hoooh boy.
Actually the exact quote from Othello is
to be once in doubt
Is once to be resolv'd:
Lemme know if you want me to hook you up. They're both in NY.
Res Ipsa Loquitur
I'm heavily involved w/some hiring
discrimination cases w/one party knowledge audio taping as an issue.
My mouthpiece says I'm O.K.,
but if he's wrong I may need help on the appeal..
I'd love to read it.
Thanks
HoneyBear ... DONE!
In other words, I'm not pure enough, I'm not totally on your side, and I can't be trusted.
No.
You can't be trusted because you're trying to start a fight.
In fact, combined with therapy people who are depressed can often retrain their brain
Yup. The quality and nature of the depression are keys in the success of this, in my experience.
From WAY up thread! (I'm catching up)
"Now that's a good one. I always like that slam. Kind of bigoted, but it always hit home with me."
magnolia's propaganda ministry
Hey, I always kinda liked being a breeder type guy. FWIW.
Yay, Tena's back! We could use an injection of rationality.
Incog,
Then please stop shitting on us just because some of us are straight. It's the same bigotry, backwards. I'm trying desperately to raise a healthy gay kid, and maybe it's the liberal in me, so feel free to sneer. But I'm proud that she came out to me at 14--that's younger than a lot of kids can. And I'm proud that I could immediately point her to a good number of healthy gay adults in our circle of family and friends as examples. I don't think anyone here is homophobic, at least not that I've seen.
The fucking compromise was "We won't break the rules to change the rules if you promise not to use the rules"
Some fucking compromise.
I think those who look very different from us, and when I use the word "us", I use it very loosely, like Asians or blacks, there's a natural tribal reaction to see them as 'the other' and be suspicious.
actually if you believe there is any science in psychology this is a verifiable fact. but it's a dicey subject.
And if you are being namestolen, you should read this.
SWR - why are you being so obnoxious?
charley - how come you're in Miami?
We're infested.
You must carefully taught..
I think that's what I was looking for when I came up with "they fuck you up..."
I just emailed Tena, btw.
I could use an injection of something.
Agent Bill Lee
The "compromise" was bullshit. Haven't the D's figured out by now that you simply can't trust these fucking whacko religio-crackpots? They will fuck the D's over and laugh all the way to the Supreme Court.
Vinnie | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:22 pm | #
Yes - that is a good sum up of it.
No.
You can't be trusted because you're trying to start a fight.
pie | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:28 pm | #
Ha! This from PIE!
Everyone knows that PIE almost destroyed KOS recently!
[ducks]
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The fucking compromise was "We won't break the rules to change the rules if you promise not to use the rules"
Which means the rules do not apply. So what was the point, at least from the Dem side, postpone the inevitable?
And if you are being namestolen, you should read this.
Thanks, NYMary.
NYMary - Jeez, that's kind of a discouraging piece of information from metacomments. I wonder if there is any way to counter something like that.
Is it my imagination or are incog's freeekouts getting more freeeequent?
It's all building up to something...
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fake Tena?
You're pathetic.
Man, I was just on America Blog.
There's this troll who calls himself bb.
All he does is call everyone names and post long Rush Limpdick diatribes.
nymary,
great post. I read some of that pie fight over there, and figured stuff like that might happen.
some of that happens here, but usually the namestealing trolls are too stupid to pull it off. "Ted" is the only one to bother to steal my humble moniker. alas.
There is a way to counter it. Everyone assume an alias.
C'mon, Tena: is SWR really so much more obnoxious than I am?
'Cause if he is, I really need to work on my game.
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pie - I'll go check my email, but it'll take a while. I'm on the world's slowest dial-up - 24, I shit you not. It is very painful.
Ntodd-I have quaker ancestors and I think I remember that you are associated with them. I am dying to know what names pop up WAY back in you geneaology, beside martin luther.
Is this maybe too personal of an inquiry? Just say so.
Make it clear, somehow, that nobody here has a confirmed identity short of Atrios doing an IP analysis. How is it any different from a completely anonymous source?
Everyone knows that PIE almost destroyed KOS recently!
Was it strawberry-rhubarb?
If not, wasn't I.
These fuckers just make shit up as they go along. Rules? What fucking rules?
People, we need stop fighting amongst ourselves.
Let's shit on the people who deserve it instead.
Civil society is too liberal for the rightists. You heard it here first.
I actually did that back in '97, but major stressors can cause a sorta relapse, and I fell back into it starting in 2001. Some of us really just have organic brain chemistry problems and need to just deal with it like any other chronic condition.
NTodd
tell me, i've tried 'em all over the past 15 years. helped at first, but nothing ever really changes. maybe it's my own fault, capital L. how's that for a defeatist attitude. last year been off, it's fuck'n expensive medicine. i'm fine. but nothing ever really changes.
Troll infestation.
I go away for awhile, come back, and...
It makes me sad.
Otherwise...
Hey! Tena! How them mountains treatin' ya?
I wish I were you, frankly.
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Make it clear, somehow, that nobody here has a confirmed identity short of Atrios doing an IP analysis. How is it any different from a completely anonymous source?
well I am most definitely the wife of Ibrahim al-Jaafari. al-Dawa can confirm my identity.
People, we need stop fighting amongst ourselves.
We are not fighting.
Was it strawberry-rhubarb?
If not, wasn't I.
pie | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:34 pm | #
Maybe it was eel pie?
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I want to know when the MSM will start focusing on the progress in Iraq?
You know, I've been wondering why the boot-licking MSM hasn't been pushing more propaganda stories in recent times to help prop up their lord and master, Darth Bushwacker (Look! We painted a school!). Then I realized, we're no longer seeing these pro-invasion puff stories anymore because the MSM types can't get out of the green zone without getting kidnapped or killed.
Trolls are always more active on the weekend afte Howard growls at them.
Agent Bill Lee
P.S. That other post by Clark Nova wasn't signed.
Are there progressive trolls too? I only ask because the last, and I mean the last thing I'm interested in doing is going to some wingnut blog to cause trouble. I can't imagine a progressive wanting to spend time doing that. But, what do I know?
I know the neo-facist right is rife with true believers. But my sense is that most of the trolls here are probably low level political operatives paid a pittance out of some Right Wing PR slush fund, or something similar.
It's funny that "Pie" is arguing against a naturally "tribal" instinct but then immediately procedes to pull "Tena" into the fray against me.
Nothing wrong with that. Pie and Tena are actually onto something about me. I'm not a genuine "liberal". I'm actually more of an iconoclastic conservative. If it weren't trendy to be a conservative and not trendy to be a liberal, I'd probably be a Republican.
So my being obnoxious is probably some natural instinct to upset the tribal circle, not any kind of committment to liberalism or "justice".
Then again, in a healthy world or in a healthy political movement, there's room for icononoclasts as well as organizers and people who bring other people together.
If Tena and Pie are having trouble with my lack of purity, then they're incecure about something.
Old Hat and I posted links to the fundie fascist gay 'treatment center' here. Can't speak for OH, but I did so with a real sense of outrage, a sense that this sort of thing is vile and needs sunlight, and that people should be asked to take a stand on it.
I'm sorry if I opened up personal cans of worms, but don't yield on my position. Every last believer in Christ, especially those on the political right who think secular humanists and gays and gay-lovers are trashing Jesus and western civilization, should be asked to state, publically and clearly, their position on this evil done in their Savior's name.
It's too bad that isn't the focus of discussion. For Chrissake, reserve your strongest attack for that which needs attacking.
You heteros can run but you can't hide from your crimes.
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Why are you being nasty to people who are on YOUR side?
They'd be wankers if they weren't eunuchs in other words.
Maybe it was eel pie?
Ewwww.
Who's namestealing Clark Nova? Bastard!
when bush is gone like a stale pudding whom will be left to sing his sweet lament?
drew
The same assholes who think Nixon and Reagan were "great" presidents.
Get out the nutcracker.
I want to know when the MSM will start focusing on the progress in Iraq?
You mean they're gonna start carrying reports from the Iraqi Resistance?
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"The document said the only way the allies could justify military action was to place Saddam Hussein in a position where he ignored or rejected a United Nations ultimatum ordering him to co-operate with the weapons inspectors.
Hoooh boy."
pseudonymous in nc
Too bad he cooperated and let the inspectors in eh? That just shows the delusionalism of Bush, that he was attempting to justify the war just a few months in saying Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in! Trying to add a sprig of deniability.
That was definitely a WTF moment.
All the pieces keep on coming. Most of us figured this puzzle out from the start. But now maybe we can do something about it.
Hi Tena! Hey, what part of CO do you guy's vacation in? I'm curious because I'm moving to CO in 2 or 3 weeks (and no you don't have to answer if you're not comfortable with it).
Grand Moff sez:
Maybe it was eel pie?
Ewww...
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SWR - I don't even know what you're talking about, SWR, so don't talk to me about purity.
I simply asked why you were being obnoxious. Has not one fucking thing to do with purity or lack thereof.
Ewwww.
pie | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:38 pm | #
What I wanna know is, how did you hook up with Ginger and Maryanne?
How DO you do it, old man?
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Civil society is too liberal for the rightists. You heard it here first.
underwhelm
Leave the debating and civility to others. I am in the mud slinging dept.
Mudd Pie, anyone?
Agent Bill Lee
Every last believer in Christ, especially those on the political right who think secular humanists and gays and gay-lovers are trashing Jesus and western civilization, should be asked to state, publically and clearly, their position on this evil done in their Savior's name.
I think that the current evangelical movment is psychologically anti-Puritan, anti-introspective.
You confess your sins and are immediately forgiven as long as you hate gays and liberals.
Most Evangelicals need a good dose of Cathalocism, of salvation by "works". Right now it's an easy religion for the spiritually lazy.
All the pieces keep on coming. Most of us figured this puzzle out from the start. But now maybe we can do something about it.
This bothers us, because none of his scandals ever seem to go anywhere. We must go to the cabbage option.
(and no you don't have to answer if you're not comfortable with it).
Tena's not afraid to answer. We already know where she is.
helped at first, but nothing ever really changes.
Not being in South Florida anymore did wonders for me, personally. Your mileage may vary...
Whoops!
Sorry, pie!
[i really should read ahead...]
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I simply asked why you were being obnoxious.
Talk about a loaded question.
Who's namestealing Clark Nova? Bastard!
underwhelm
Clark Speaks for himself, sometimes. He can be a real asshole.
We must go to the cabbage option.
I just have to ask ... what is the "cabbage option?"
Then again, in a healthy world or in a healthy political movement, there's room for icononoclasts as well as organizers and people who bring other people together.
If Tena and Pie are having trouble with my lack of purity, then they're incecure about something.
SWR | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:38 pm | #
Don't call yourself a heretic.
Please don't call yourself a heretic.
Oh shit. He's gonna call himself a heretic.
Shit.
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The fucking compromise was "We won't break the rules to change the rules if you promise not to use the rules"
No, that's not it at all. I'm too lazy to blogwhore right now, but we discussed this way back at my site, and really this characterization is way off base.
Ntodd-I have quaker ancestors and I think I remember that you are associated with them. I am dying to know what names pop up WAY back in you geneaology, beside martin luther.
Cool! I take it your fam gave up on the Quaker thing? My history is the opposite: I'm a Birthright, but my parents were the ones who decided to become Quaker in the Vietnam era.
I only really know the geneology for my dad's maternal side of the fam. That has Martin Luther and Abe Lincoln, along with Deborah Samson (chick who disguised herself as a man to fight in the Revolution) and thus John "speak for yourself" Alden, William Bradford and Miles Standish of the Mayflower (not to mention the little twerps who almost lit the ship on fire, which is prolly where I get my fascination with flame.
Lots of Puritans, but not a damned Quaker among them! But Euell Gibbons was an Elder in our Meeting and my godfather--I lived with him for several months when I was three and my mom was in a coma.
Infestation.
See ya later. I'm off to read the London Times.
cabbage option?
I stole this link from somebody on Franken's blog.
It's a short movie with Paul Lukas from 1947 on bigotry.
Don't Be A Sucker
I hear you, pie.
Deep Thought - Oh, I've said before where I am - I'm just outside of Lake City, in Hinsdale Co., on the western slope of the San Juans.
Up here in the clouds. Right now it's snowing up on the mountains, and the sun is shining down here.
I love this place.
Has not one fucking thing to do with purity or lack thereof.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:41 pm | #
Ah, archaic syntax. Someone's gotten into the sherry!
Me? I just discovered that I DIDN'T ruin my last batch of homebrew!
IT'S ALIVE!!! IT'S ALIVE!!! IT'S ... [glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug
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since everything in this thread is on-topic, here, for your perusal is a cool site that features vintage ads.
nobody here has a confirmed identity short of Atrios doing an IP analysis
I swear that I'm me. Go ahead, ask me something only I'd know!
last year been off, it's fuck'n expensive medicine. i'm fine. but nothing ever really changes.
And that's exactly why we need a fucking national health care system. I've had too many friends and family who couldn't afford meds, and it makes me sick. Bush says shit like "what's good enough for Congress is good enough for the American people" when it comes to bullshit about SocSec, but do we get the same medical coverage? Nooooo!
I just have to ask ... what is the "cabbage option?"
That's the one where Terry Schiavo pushes the button that injects the lethal chemicals into Tom DeLay's veins in Texas' death chamber.
Wow, I am such a shitty Quaker.
Danika Patrick is about to race on ESPN. Hope she kicks all those purty boy's asses.
NTodd sez:
But Euell Gibbons was an Elder in our Meeting and my godfather--I lived with him for several months when I was three and my mom was in a coma.
I recall you mentioning the Gibbons connection before.
Honestly, I just remember him from the cereal commercials -- and the SNL parody.
I'm glad to hear he was one of the good guys.
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May I just say that I'm the second name stealing troll to steal Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari's moniker?
Thank you.
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Wow, I am such a shitty Quaker.
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:48 pm | #
Beats the fuck out of Nixon.
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Go ahead, ask me something only I'd know!
What did you have for breakfast this morning?
see, all one needs to do @ here is whine, and the whine turns into water.
it's like magic.
Gotta go do some laundry...
Hah! Wrong!
I had kippers, fried in gin!
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Come upstairs...Enjoy the view!
Somebody up there said junior was stepping down!
see, all one needs to do @ here is whine, and the whine turns into water.
I have the ability to turn beer into water. This is a sign of my great purity.
Was it strawberry-rhubarb?
Apparently coconut cream.
Can't believe those guys got in such a tizzy over that stupid ad...
see, all one needs to do @ here is whine, and the whine turns into water.
it's like magic.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:50 pm | #
Verily, namestealing troll #3 has uttered a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Tena sez:
Up here in the clouds. Right now it's snowing up on the mountains, and the sun is shining down here.
I love this place.
Take me with you next year. I mean this in the most chaste possible way.
I love the Rockies, and I get you, Tena; it's been too long.
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I don't know, I've never kippled.
I'm having... difficulty, maybe is the best word, keeping my temper. Maybe it's the heat. I'm going to sit in the yard and watch the sun go down and drink beer. That ought to help.
Atrios is keepin' it real.
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Enjoy, NYMary. The big blue room awaits.
Honestly, I just remember him from the cereal commercials -- and the SNL parody
"Here, eat this tree!"
Euell was an interesting guy. A major alcoholic whom my parents nursed through many a lost weekend, he was incredibly caring and took a great interest in seeing that I learned about the world and was loved unconditionally (which was very important given that Mom "abandoned" me when she got sick). The family joke is that my mom's lasagne killed him.
Beats the fuck out of Nixon.
He was "one of those" weirdo California, fundamentalist Quakes. Philly Yearly Meeting can kick their asses any time!
What did you have for breakfast this morning?
Corned beef hash, three eggs and two cups of Green Mountain Coffee Roasters Harvard Blend ("for the sleepy intellectually elitist liberal in all of us").
the cabbage option:
airborne vegetableness at every public venue, to include sticking a head out of a window.
Damn.
I fucked up the link.
I'll try again.
Don't Be A Sucker
I had kippers, fried in gin!
LOL!
Tena sez:
Up here in the clouds. Right now it's snowing up on the mountains, and the sun is shining down here.
I love this place.
Tena! Surely you belong with us here, among the clouds!
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There's a homebrew recipe named after Euell.
I'll give you three guesses as to why.
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Oh, and Grand Moff, I mean, NTodd: I'm sorry I just realized I'd never blogrolled. I blame all the queers and the soil in the trailer park and have rectified the situation.
And 10,000 quatloos if anybody gets the reference.
I don't know, I've never kippled.
underwhelm | Email | Homepage | 06.11.05 - 8:53 pm | #
Fuck that, I'll take the gin.
Ah, it's the blue ruin for me!
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Euell Gibbons was an Elder in our Meeting and my godfather--I lived with him for several months when I was three and my mom was in a coma.
NTodd
Euell Gibbons - haven't heard that name in years!
spork - come see me.
It is amazing here. If you haven't been on the western slope, you really ought to at least once.
See where Fox just hired Gretchen Carlson?
Yes, a lily-white former Miss America.
Real qualifications for Fox.
There's a homebrew recipe named after Euell.
I'll give you three guesses as to why.
Because he was a drunk and the recipe involves cattails?
Euell Gibbons - haven't heard that name in years!
Shit, he's been dead for what, almost 30 years?
Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs is a slimy, hatemongering fuck.
WTF
and a loser like his audience!
Afleet Alex just romped home in the Belmont, for you fans of the gee-gees.
Shoot. Completely forgot about the race.
pie
Shit - if he had only won the Derby.
I'll give you three guesses as to why.
Because he was a drunk and the recipe involves cattails?
Almost, and I wasn't there, but it calls for a whole tree.
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In another controversial remark, Dean recently characterized Republicans as "pretty much a white, Christian party."
During an earlier event yesterday, Mehlman poked fun at Dean's comment. At a reception for him by the Republican Jewish Coalition, held at the Duquesne Club, Mehlman quipped: "Good afternoon, my fellow white Christians."
stupid american
Why is the truth controversial?
A few token Jews....and a token closet case...don't count.
Mehlman is such a jerk!
NTodd: I only really know the geneology for my dad's maternal side of the fam. That has Martin Luther and Abe Lincoln, along with Deborah Samson (chick who disguised herself as a man to fight in the Revolution) and thus John "speak for yourself" Alden, William Bradford and Miles Standish of the Mayflower (not to mention the little twerps who almost lit the ship on fire, which is prolly where I get my fascination with flame.
I'm a John Alden descendant, too.
My other Mayflower ancestor is Richard Warren.
it calls for a whole tree.
WOW. That's some drink!
I'm a John Alden descendant, too.
Cousin! Er, something.
My other Mayflower ancestor is Richard Warren.
I don't know that name. Which one was he? Eh, I shouldn't be lazy and just google...
My other Mayflower ancestor is Richard Warren.
Ah, 12th signer of a the Mayflower Compact!
Hey folks, rawstory has a new leaked memo from the UK. This just gets better all the time.
Re the post from the AP about Rice accompanying the young violinist at the Kennedy Center, her odd first name is not of course a "variation" on the Italian musical term "con dolcezza," it is simply a solecism. I won't offer an explanation. As for her allegedly playing in a string quartet ... oh forget it.
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