I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
first again!!!
The Stars and Stripes has better coverage of the Conyers hearing than the Washington Post.
Did the U.S. use weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and then lie about it???
Why would we not be suprised?
damn!!!!!
Oh, you just missed it Omnes Omnibus
New Downing Street Memo? I heard that on CBS radio. Anyone see it?
Happy to see that no one won, placed and showed. 
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Why are there no Christian voices raised against the torture of prisoners?
The Vatican secretary for relations with states, speaking about Abu Ghraib specifically but torture generally, made it clear that torturing prisoners is “contrary to the most elementary human rights and radically opposed to Christian morality."
A google search (sorry, no lexis/nexis) didn't turn up a single, prominent Protestant leader who condemned torturing prisoners.
The only "Christian" leaders in America who addressed the issue were right wingers who were condemning Senator Durbin.
What Bible are they reading? Which Jesus Christ do they follow?
DWD, which memo was that?
Oh, well. I got a first twice today...
Oh, well. I got a first twice today...
Is a second first still really a first?
is it just me or does Sen Durbin's voice sound exactly like that of super Dave Osborn?
I am never first. Once I was, but the empty space scared me so much that I just went home again...
Oh, well. I got a first twice today...
Is a second first still really a first?
Eli
Yes, because my fragile ego demands recognition. 
cntodd, the report I heard concerned the eighth memo. One specifically questioning Kindaliesalot's refusal to talk about OBL and instead talking about Saddam. Also one where the British official says that he believes that GWB has a personal grudge against Saddam. THese are new: but I do not see the. Perhaps Times of London's site? I will look
When I look round, and see how few of the numbers who talked so largely of death and honor are around me, and that those from whom it was least expected...I am lost in wonder and suprise...Your noisy sons of liberty are, I find, the quietest in the field...An engagement, or even the expectation of one, gives a wonderful insight into character.
Hey you guys. Slow day here. Sleepy. Fuckers still in charge.
Afternoon, Batties!
Just sent this to Fox TV HIT HIM WITH EMAILS
From: falkenfelsen@taconic.net
Subject: Re: Chris Wallace and Gitmo Torture
Date: June 18, 2005 3:48:43 PM EDT
To: FNS@foxnews.com
Dear Sir,
We heard you on the radio claiming that being chained squatting to the floor, naked, with loud rap music, defecating all over oneself, isn't torture and you are very indignant about anyone daring to do this since "the Nazis did worse".
By that standard, of course, anything short of annihilating all humans is OK! Wow.
Anyway, we wish to interview you while you are chained, naked, to the floor and loud rap music is screaming at you. If you yell loud enough, our viewers might be able to hear you.
We anxiously await your answer.
Regards,
Elaine Supkis
Editor/publisher: http://culturelifenewsii.blogspot.com
Too much thread.
Did anyone else see this? Is it true?
Politics
Sen. Durbin apologizes for Guantanamo remarks
By Dori Meinert
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
June 18, 2005
WASHINGTON – Attempting to stem growing criticism, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said yesterday that he regretted any misunderstandings caused by his comments that compared some U.S. actions at Guantanamo Bay to those committed by the Nazis or Cambodia's Pol Pot.
"I have learned from my statement that historical parallels can be misused and misunderstood. I sincerely regret if what I said caused anyone to misunderstand my true feelings: Our soldiers around the world and their families at home deserve our respect, admiration and total support," Durbin said in a statement issued by his office yesterday.
Durbin had been roundly criticized for his comments on the Senate floor Tuesday.
Durbin drew the controversial comparison after reading an FBI agent's report describing how detainees at the U.S. Navy base in Cuba were chained to the floor in extreme temperatures without food or water: "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime – Pol Pot or others – that had no concern for human beings."
we are paying 25,000 contractors in Iraq according to a representative in the hearings thursday.
quite the lobby.
Anyway, we wish to interview you while you are chained, naked, to the floor and loud rap music is screaming at you. If you yell loud enough, our viewers might be able to hear you.
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Eeeexcellent.
A moonbat profiled against a full moon would make a beautiful embroidery. Below it would be darkness, with spouts of saliva and fat writhing forms clawing dollar bills. The moonbat would be preparing for a sudden launch, all serene and scary.
I seriously would love to do this thing. I even have chains, logging chains! And other stuff. Maybe chain him next to the beehive and smear him with honey. Heh.
Apache time.
Didn't see this linked elsewhere, but perhaps I missed it. Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water, Jeb Bush writes to the NY Times to slam them for their "grotesque and chilling disrespect for the sanctity of life."
He concludes by stating:
" Despite claims of cynicism and being "agenda-driven," we will continue to strive to protect our most vulnerable citizens. All innocent human life is precious, and government has a duty to protect the weak, the disabled and the vulnerable."
Innocent according to whom?
Few humans can withstand screeching right wingers. I can. This is why the press will never ever talk to me these days.
More than once, I have stood my ground....once on CNN, even, 1989.
But anyway, don't hate our representatives who can't force southern senators to apologize for lynchings to withstand the withering fire from the entire spectrum of media whores.
America still must pretend we are not Nazis.
But alas, we are.
Well, I better go get the laundry, lest it be absconded.
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Find the word that doesn't belong:
Bush Advised to Wait on Top Court Nominee
By JESSE J. HOLLAND
WASHINGTON - A potential Supreme Court vacancy this summer wouldn't automatically mean a White House nomination would immediately follow. Conservatives worry that Congress' August recess would give Democrats too much time to demonize President Bush's nominee before a vote.
It might make sense to wait until September, says Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and "not leave the nominee hanging out like a pinata for people to take a whack at during the month we're in recess."
Jeb Bush is right to life...hahahaha.
Yup. The Executioner. Of course, everyone is guilty...
especially when they taser children or hound innocent people to death like Mr. Schiavo.
Over at Huffingtonpost, Jim Lampley has a piece that will knock the air out of you. There is a very good chance that the Bush Administration has only been counting the soldiers that die on Iraq soil. If they die enroute to, or in hospitals out of Iraq, they are not counted, and the death toll could be at nearly 9000.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
th...ption_2838.html
The Downing Steet Memos may be getting a major boost any second now.
Ah...fresh thread. It's great when you're drunk.
Cornyn was one of the guys who refused to apologize for all those lynchings...
Watertiger,
By demonize, they mean describe factually?
Durbin, Noooooo! WHEN will the Dems learn? Never fucking apologize!
Shit.
By demonize, they mean describe factually?
apparently, they hate when that happens.
A moonbat profiled against a full moon would make a beautiful embroidery. Below it would be darkness, with spouts of saliva and fat writhing forms clawing dollar bills. The moonbat would be preparing for a sudden launch, all serene and scary.
Echidne of the snakes |
Echidne, please! do this.
Afternoon, children.
Is a second first still really a first?
A third of the time, it is.
I saw BAtman Begins last night and I can report happily that Batman is definitely a liberal . . .
Durbin, Noooooo! WHEN will the Dems learn? Never fucking apologize!
Shit.
Yup. Somebody probably whispered "'08" in his ear.
"I have learned from my statement that historical parallels can be misused and misunderstood. I sincerely regret if what I said caused anyone to misunderstand my true feelings: Our soldiers around the world and their families at home deserve our respect, admiration and total support," Durbin said in a statement issued by his office yesterday.
Gottalaff, it's probably another wingnut lie which will be exposed within a day or two but that wont matter to you. The lie will already be the gospel to wingnutville.
Ah...fresh thread. It's great when you're drunk.
NTodd
who isn't, These Days...???
Why are there no Christian voices raised against the torture of prisoners?
Voice Over:'IN THE EARLY YEARS OF THE SIXTEENTH CENTURY, TO COMBAT THE RISING TIDE OF RELIGIOUS UNORTHODOXY, THE POPE GAVE CARDINAL XIMINEZ OF SPAIN LEAVE TO MOVE WITHOUT LET OR HINDRANCE THROUGHOUT THE LAND, IN A REIGN OF VIOLENCE, TERROR AND TORTURE THAT MAKES A SMASHING FILM. THIS WAS THE SPANISH INQUISITION . . .'
Good thing Pope Ratzo is a lot more liberal-minded than his 16th Century counterpart, no?
Otherwise, we might just have a nightmarish replay of [shudder] The Spanish Inquisition!
I think I could handle just about anything, but I freely admit that just the threat of the Comfy Chair torture would likely reduce me to a quivering mass of jelly.
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I don't believe Durbin said that. Read this, it doesn't ring true:
"I have learned from my statement that historical parallels can be misused and misunderstood. I sincerely regret if what I said caused anyone to misunderstand my true feelings: Our soldiers around the world and their families at home deserve our respect, admiration and total support," Durbin said in a statement issued by his office yesterday.
"In one of the memos, British Foreign Office political director Peter Ricketts openly asks whether the Bush administration had a clear and compelling military reason for war.
"U.S. scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al-Qaida is so far frankly unconvincing," Ricketts says in the memo. "For Iraq, `regime change' does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam.""
No, get out! You think?
It might make sense to wait until September, says Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and "not leave the nominee hanging out like a pinata for people to take a whack at during the month we're in recess."
watertiger
I heard Mr BoxTurtle Cornyn himself is on the short list for supreme. Maybe that's he is hinting to hold off until Sept.
Why are there no Christian voices raised against the torture of prisoners?
What Bible are they reading? Which Jesus Christ do they follow?
James E. Powell
My lifelong contempt for anyone posing as a religious authority has been welling up at the thought of this.
You can't call yourself righteous and ignore the suffering of others. You just can't.
I've never really had a thirst for being first. On second thought, maybe a second first would be the worst, or would a first second be as good as cursed?
Your thoughts?
Re: Jim Lampley Piece
Didn't fox stop running a death toll figure last week? They saw this coming.
Cornyn was one of the guys who refused to apologize for all those lynchings...
At least those lynching victims didn't have to suffer in work camps before being burned alive. See, it's all good!
A grudge? Say it ain't so!
Re: Xians. Danforth wrote something pretty good in NYT Op-Ed a couple of days ago. Too lazy to get link....
There are too many Ntodds on this thread. I'm getting confused.
I had such ambitious plans for today....
'Course, I have those every weekend.
Check out the worderful "Operation Yellow Elephant" stuff happeing at Jesus' General site.
I bow thrice, (but in a very butch, many way!) in thy honored direction, General!
I saw BAtman Begins last night and I can report happily that Batman is definitely a liberal . . .
And that is why he will fail. Just like Jesus.
who isn't [drunk], These Days...???
Well, I try to be sober part of the day, at least during the work week.
I am just killing time until my wife comes home from work and we get to go to Latin Fest.
The Kenosha Kid -
cntodd does not equal NTodd
And we're not related
I believe that the Durbin statement is true
It doesn't withdraw the remarks so much as say that it is unfortunate that they were misunderstood
But it gives the impression of weakness
I also regret that Dr Dean went ballistic about the suggestion that we might have invaded Iraq to help Israel -- whether we did or not (this ties into the fallacy that there is only one real reason why anything is done, which is nonsense), suggesting that it might have been a factor need not, in itself, constitute anti-semitism
There are too many Ntodds on this thread. I'm getting confused.
DoubleK,
it could be worse, Eli could be cloning himself.
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I'm not too sure, but there are man-eating sharks on sci fi. maybe getting a jump on your liveblogging tonight.
it's ntoddorama!
in eschatvision!
Boy, I'm having one of those days. The news. The war(s). And the reality of Bush and his administration are our frickin fearless leaders. It’s downright depressing. Thank god for the people that love me, and the hope that I can have a positive influence in peoples lives, or I'd really be lost.
But some days are just harder than others... Today I read about this pedophile who had a notebook of over 36,000 kids in several countries. I couldn’t bring myself to read the whole thing. At least hes in custody now.
But I suppose its important that I hold onto my sanity so that I may be able to help others, as opposed to the kind of person who breaks them.
Sheesh.
either that or they're really cheesy hand puppets.
It appear he did say that in a statement, and even added more on his website:
DURBIN STATEMENT ON PREVIOUS COMMENTS REGARDING GUANTANAMO BAY
Friday, June 17, 2005
“More than 1700 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq and our country’s standing in the world community has been badly damaged by the prison abuses at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. My statement in the Senate was critical of the policies of this Administration which add to the risk our soldiers face.”
“I will continue to speak out when I disagree with this Administration.”
“I have learned from my statement that historical parallels can be misused and misunderstood. I sincerely regret if what I said caused anyone to misunderstand my true feelings: our soldiers around the world and their families at home deserve our respect, admiration and total support.”
Is there one Democratic politican with a clue?
Danforth wrote something pretty good in NYT Op-Ed a couple of days ago.
Was it the "Unward Moderate Soldiers" article?
Yeah. That was good. I thought he was a wingnut.
Two Eli's... brrr.
Well, I try to be sober part of the day, at least during the work week.
after 11 a.m. on a saturday, well that's another story.
If Durbin's remarks can be construed as an apology, then I wish he hadn't remarked at all.
Incog --
No.
There are too many Ntodds on this thread. I'm getting confused.
Will the real Slimy Shady please stand up, please stand up...
BTW, hows it going NTodd?
cntodd pass you a beer
historical parallels can be misused
q.v. every wingnut comparison of the Enemy Du Jour to "Hitler", and The War Against Terror to WW2.
Why Slimy?
Re: Danforth.
IIRC he was v. conservative as a senator, but not in a wingnutty way. Old fashioned, principled type of conservative. I believe he is covered by the Endangered Species Act.
Re: Jim Lampley piece - a thin rehash of the Brian Harring piece it refs.
Discredited, again, several threads below.
http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNe...=5&
searchTopic=
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/
http://icasualties.org/oif/
this pedophile who had a notebook of over 36,000 kids in several countries
Sean Hannity?
Democratic politicians are going to have us all slaving away in a Corporate Fundie Jesus Gay Bashing Tom DeLay Hell World before it's over.
I also regret that Dr Dean went ballistic about the suggestion that we might have invaded Iraq to help Israel
Did Dean go ballistic? Very disengenuous of him.
Isn't it odd that we're spending $140 billion a year on Iraq to fortify the militant confessionally Shi'a majority yet in Lebanon we're speding $3 billion to fortify the militant confessionally Maronite minority? While we allow Iran-friendly Sadr, Badr and SCIRI and their forces to control 2/3 of Iraq, as well as hunt down Sunnis, we are seeking to disarm Hezbollah in Lebanon? To what does this inconsistency point?
Apparently the right wing faux christians have bailed on our friend Frist and now are licking their chops at getting ol' Jeb to take up their cause. Going after Michael Schiavo now may placate wingnuttiaville, but it surely must be making mainstream 'Murca shake it's collective head in disgust. Let's hope they show that disgust on election day 2006.
Very Late Cat Blogging
plus bonus
Baby Blogging
Finally got to meet my niece today. Thought I share some photos!
BTW, hows it going NTodd?
I have way too much work to do, but I'd rather drink, watch Godfather on Spike, and hang out on blogs. How's by you?
Why Slimy?
I have a hyperactive 'y' key.
Probably one of those "where've you been" things, but I'd never seen this clip before:
http://tinyurl.com/acrjx
It's from Int-el news via Cosmic Iguana, cnn reporter broadcasting live from the Pentagon on 9/11 . . .
How's by you?
the same: crazy busy, but wasting time instead.
I also regret that Dr Dean went ballistic about the suggestion that we might have invaded Iraq to help Israel
It's so odd this isn't open to discussion.
Nobody would bat an eye if I said:
"We went to war in Korea in 1950 to help Japan" or "we maintain troops in South Korea because the Japanese want us to".
Note that Senator ("Father") Danforth is an Episcopal priest -- might constitute a religious voice -- part he is hardly on the left
Progressive Christians ARE speaking out against torture & the war -- there is just no one paying attention (& doubtless many liberal Christians think that having to say that they believe torture is wrong is sort of like "DUH?")
Warning - GROSS!
WASHINGTON - American cattle are eating chicken litter, cattle blood and restaurant leftovers that could help transmit mad cow disease - a gap in the U.S. defense that the Bush administration promised to close nearly 18 months ago.
"Once the cameras were turned off and the media coverage dissipated, then it's been business as usual, no real reform, just keep feeding slaughterhouse waste," said John Stauber, an activist and co-author of "Mad Cow USA: Could the Nightmare Happen Here?"
He contended, "The entire U.S. policy is designed to protect the livestock industry's access to slaughterhouse waste as cheap feed."
The government is now investigating another possible case of mad cow disease in the United States. The beef cow had been tested and declared free of the disease last November, but new tests came up positive, and a laboratory in England is conducting more tests.
etc
Apparently the right wing faux christians have bailed on our friend Frist and now are licking their chops at getting ol' Jeb to take up their cause.
Good - I hope Jeb goes for it. With the evidence as it is, all they can do is continue to lose. It's obscene that they won't let Michael Schiavo have some peace now. And they are nuts if they think this is going to go anywhere.
Very Late Cat Blogging
what beauties!
afternoon, freethinkers. nur, you're being too logical about the ME and our policies there. since when have we ever, truly, cared about orthodoxy or sectarianism above $ and control of oil? we keep our saudi friends as happy as our likudnik ones, quite a feat- until you realize that at the top of each of the groups involved, are a bunchh of hypocritical self-serving elites/minorities, who are happy to manipulate the discourse relating to the area to suit their own purposes, often in a contridictory fashion when you compare to whom they speak.
Any way to validate DofD figures with local or state reporting in news media of casualties?
I would like to point out that when the monastery raised beef cattle (Black Angus -- nice cows to work with) we NEVER fed them anything we didn't grow ourself -- grain & sillage & they grazed in our pastures.
Mind you, we got out of farming in 1979 because we were losing money
Making your livestock eat offal saves money
Moonbootica - Lovely pictures.
Is your mom a quilter?
Danforth is a wild-eyed fundy leading the crusade against Islam in Africa.
the same: crazy busy, but wasting time instead.
big argument in QL's home. are naps time wasters or the reason we have weekends?
Prior Aelred -- Do you have a link to precisely what Dean said? Cuz that pissed me off, too. I've read references to it but not his words in context. I'd like to do that before I make a judgment.
I haven't eaten beef in over 2 years but I'm sure by now, most of us have some mad cow in us. But it's cumulative. The more you eat of it the worse off down the line you will be.
Re: Xians. Danforth wrote something pretty good in NYT Op-Ed a couple of days ago. Too lazy to get link....
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/
1...17danforth.html
It's on my bloggy blog...
is china helping set the stage for a bird flu pandemic:
Bird Flu Drug Rendered Useless
Chinese Chickens Given Medication Made for Humans
By Alan Sipress
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, June 18, 2005; Page A01
HONG KONG -- Chinese farmers, acting with the approval and encouragement of government officials, have tried to suppress major bird flu outbreaks among chickens with an antiviral drug meant for humans, animal health experts said. International researchers now conclude that this is why the drug will no longer protect people in case of a worldwide bird flu epidemic.
China's use of the drug amantadine, which violated international livestock guidelines, was widespread years before China acknowledged any infection of its poultry, according to pharmaceutical company executives and veterinarians.
Since January 2004, avian influenza has spread across nine East Asian countries, devastating poultry flocks and killing at least 54 people in Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam, but none in China. World Health Organization officials warned the virus could easily undergo genetic changes to create a strain capable of killing tens of millions of people worldwide.
Although China did not report an avian influenza outbreak until February 2004, executives at Chinese pharmaceutical companies and veterinarians said farmers were widely using the drug to control the virus in the late 1990s.
Apparently the right wing faux christians have bailed on our friend Frist and now are licking their chops at getting ol' Jeb to take up their cause.
Good - I hope Jeb goes for it. With the evidence as it is, all they can do is continue to lose. It's obscene that they won't let Michael Schiavo have some peace now. And they are nuts if they think this is going to go anywhere.
Tena | Email
hi tena! i missed you (all) this past week, but the vacation from perpetual bad news was worth it.
i've got to say i'm not happy about the idea of Jeb!08, fundie avenger. he's got the patent on vote rigging, taking that game national and putting him in charge of america's first theocratic fascist dynasty makes me ill.
The more you eat of it the worse off down the line you will be.
That helps to explain some of Bush's behavior.
are naps time wasters or the reason we have weekends?
They are why we have weekends, unless we're way behind on work. Then they are the way to avoid said work on weekends.
RE QL in NY: My mother isn't a quilter as far as I know but she is a wonderful cook!
I've long given up being suprised by what Bush and his morons get up to, its too exhausting.
I can't tell close friends and family members about the risk and have them treat it seriously. I've tried to explain to my mom not to eat beef, that it's unsafe but she goes, yeah, I know, I shouldn't, and keeps right on eating it. I think in her mind, I'm trying to explain it's unsafe because red meat contains a lot of fat, unsafe.
Ô¿Ô:
It's kinda like trying to explain to smokers why they shouldn't smoke. Or telling kids not to lay out in the sun.
bkny- i'm not so sure i'm buying that particular story. if this is the case, then the first XX million or so to die will be chinese, and international quaranteen and embargo will be the result. the chinese may be rough on their peasant population, but i don't thinkl they want to become a pariah in the international markets.
and it's from a source i frankly don't trust anymore, and view as a shill for pro-boosh propaganda. 'hate china' is a constant with these idiots. even as they sell us out to them.
Any way to validate DofD figures with local or state reporting in news media of casualties?
IIRC, someone at Daily Kos looked into this and found everyone listed as injured on the battlefield who later died, listed as a casualty. Not even they could cover something like that up.
I tried to google it but there were just too many hits. If you find a link, please share it. Of course, I believe, if you are in Iraq, on an American base, and you die from a heart attack that occurred after a big boom, you are a casualty.
Goddammit! I'm going to miss Shark Attack III: Megaladon?!
Ô¿Ô:
It's kinda like trying to explain to smokers why they shouldn't smoke. Or telling kids not to lay out in the sun.
GottaLaff
But then, life without at least a few unhealthy vices would be well-nigh unliveable.
Watertiger, as long as you are here for HAMMERHEAD!, all will be well.
"Don't touch yer blood"
"Take off yer top"
"You take off yer top"
"You're wearing a bra, do it!"
Now that's dialogue.
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My unhealthy choices are healthier than your unhealthy choices. Nanner neener nanner.
Someone with bird flu can be anywhere in the world within 24 hours. It wouldn't stay contained in China. The economic reprecusions of a worldwide shutdown would be disasterous.
Jeb's perverse process in furthering the Schiavo fiasco reminds me of my time as a little kid fiddling with my model airplanes.
When whimsy hit, I would paint a model again. Sometimes the model would carry three or four coats of paint. If something broke, I would slap on a ton of glue to fix it. Invariably the glue would actually start to melt the plastic. In the end, between the paint jobs and fixes, the pristine model would look like crap because I couldn't leave well enough alone.
Jeb lost capital both for himself and his Republican cronies with the Schiavo mess. Now here he is trying to toss on another layer of paint and patch things with glue. Guess what, Jeb looks like hell.
Of course, I believe, if you are in Iraq, on an American base, and you die from a heart attack that occurred after a big boom, you are a casualty.
QL in NY - 5:06 pm
Not looking for numbers that are off by a total count of ten to fifteen which would include the rarity you mention, but a BIG discrepancy.
Hey, Atrios or one of the kool kids with the keys to the klubhouse whould really put up a special SciFi Liveblogging thread, so we don't get distracted by comments about reality.
We need these little escapes from the real world to maintain sanity.
It's kinda like trying to explain to smokers why they shouldn't smoke. Or telling kids not to lay out in the sun.
Or telling me to stop playing Russian Roulette.
I don't think eating beef infected with Mad Cow pirons is simply an "unhealthy vice." That shit turns your brain to a sticky mush.
Kent,
What better way to get the requisite tittie shot?
so now they're in a rubber raft - that's supposed to keep them safe from the monster shark?
And she's concerned about sunburn.
My unhealthy choices are healthier than your unhealthy choices. Nanner neener nanner.
GottaLaff
Until very recently, that would've been true. (And a few years ago, there'd have been no contest.)
But I am suddenly on the South Beach diet (don't really know how it happened), so vices are scarce these days.
"Take off yer top"
That is compelling, but I can't break away from Godfather.
What better way to get the requisite tittie shot?
Exactly.
Now when did they find Atlantis?
Fortified Dijourno is Done. wooohooo!!
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LTE in NYT:
To the Editor:
According to Scott McClellan, the president's chief spokesman, the concerns of the antiwar panel convened in the Capitol's basement by Representative John Conyers Jr. should be discounted because Mr. Conyers, an elected officer of the legislative branch, "voted against the war in the first place."
So in order for the administration to acknowledge dissent, the dissenters had to have agreed with the administration in the first place? We have certainly arrived at a strange place in American history.
Mitchelle Stephenson
Edgewater, Md., June 17, 2005
We have all these grave issues out there and the fundies keep the public's attention on Terri Schiavo. Scientists say it not if but when another worldwide flu pandemic that will kill millions will hit.
cs --
Sadl, no -- I can't even remember where I saw it now & I have to go to Vespers
Check out Blog for America or Kos or try Dean at Google News -- the words have to be out there somewhere
But as SWR said, "It's so odd this isn't open to discussion.
Nobody would bat an eye if I said:
"We went to war in Korea in 1950 to help Japan" or "we maintain troops in South Korea because the Japanese want us to". "
Afternoon to all.
Watertiger, as long as you are here for HAMMERHEAD!, all will be well.
I leave to go have the car worked on, come home and the daughter is camped out in front of the TV for Sci Fi's "All Shark Attack Saturday!" enjoying bad sci fi at it's "finest." She's already told me that "Hammerhead" will be on at eight and she has to be finished with her shower and brushing her teeth so she can see it.
The South Beach diet isn't healthy. I don't think you're the real rorschach.
so vices are scarce these days
You're making me get serious, here. Me too. I was brought up by an internist, and have way too much common sense for my own good. But I'm not above a good vice when I need one.
And she's concerned about sunburn.
Heh. Reminds me of one of our softballers' ex-girlfriend, lecturing his pale also-softballer brother about how he should always wear sunscreen so he doesn't get skin cancer... while smoking like a chimney.
So in order for the administration to acknowledge dissent, the dissenters had to have agreed with the administration in the first place? We have certainly arrived at a strange place in American history.
And if they voted for the war resolution, the regime would say, "hey, you veted for it, why are you flip-flopping."
And she's concerned about sunburn.
A girl's gotta have her prioities, no?
Damn well bet that if Paris Hilton was in that position--
But as SWR said, "It's so odd this isn't open to discussion.
Nobody would bat an eye if I said:
"We went to war in Korea in 1950 to help Japan" or "we maintain troops in South Korea because the Japanese want us to". "
Prior Aelred | Email | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 5:13 pm | #
Nobody would.
Then again, American has a long history of anti-semitism and no history at all of racism against the Japanese.
Oh wait......
chicago dyke
there is no containing a pandemic, should (nod to Ô¿Ô) and when one happens.
So in order for the administration to acknowledge dissent, the dissenters had to have agreed with the administration in the first place? We have certainly arrived at a strange place in American history.
When it comes to the crowd that voted for the war and are now critical of it the WH says "If you don't like the war, why did you vote for it?".
We have certainly arrived at a strange place in American history.
That's an understatement, to say the least.
And now it's time for: Florida Craziness of the Day!
Students in Hernando County who want to show their patriotic pride may be limited to the stars and stripes.
The School Board is considering a proposal that would forbid them from wearing apparel that displays any flag other than the American flag.
I guess if your shirt has a big red dot on it, or a maple leaf, you're fucked.
That is compelling, but I can't break away from Godfather.
Which one, what channel?
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Drinking beer prevents arterial sclerosis, or so I tell myself.
Apparently the right wing faux christians have bailed on our friend Frist and now are licking their chops at getting ol' Jeb to take up their cause."
Oh yeah, this is all about jeb! getting the fundy primary vote in 2008. He'll have plenty of time(and media help) to moderate for the general.
"John Conyers Jr. should be discounted because Mr. Conyers, an elected officer of the legislative branch, "voted against the war in the first place.""
Oh Conyers is so compromised. To think he thought this was all a bad idea to begin with. How dare he bring into daylight evidence that might actually prove him correct. By stating the truth he is furthering the truth, damn the man. He is a traitor to the cause obviously. Now we must shun him until he gets with the program and starts lying his ass off, taking kick backs from corporate cronies and spouting regligious rhetoric while doing exactly the opposite. The gall of the man to be honorable. For shame!!!!
Big Daddy Mars,
Unfortunately, my dance card is full tonight. I shall miss Hammerhead.
Dinner and movies await.
this pedophile who had a notebook of over 36,000 kids in several countries
Sean Hannity?
I thought he only went in for dead girls?
BTW veted=voted. I swear I can spell. I shall now blame Eli.
Incog--the Europeans appear to drink it with impunity as to heart disease.
How's Miss String today?
"The Vatican secretary for relations with states, speaking about Abu Ghraib specifically but torture generally, made it clear that torturing prisoners is “contrary to the most elementary human rights and radically opposed to Christian morality."
But treating women and gay people like second class citizens and molesting children....that's okay!
Well, I try to be sober part of the day, at least during the work week.
NTodd | Yeah, me, too.
And if drinking beer does that, then my arteries are nice stretchable and supple.
bkny- i'm not so sure i'm buying that particular story.
NPR's Science Friday reported on the growing risk of avian flu a couple of weeks ago. I posted on it here as a matter of fact.
It didn't say anything about illegal use of drugs. The scientists interviewed were less than optimistic, however.
The projections were chilling. Aside from the number of deaths, which could be quite high, they pointed out the economics of having the entire world sick, or afraid of same, for weeks on end.
Unfortunately, my dance card is full tonight. I shall miss Hammerhead.
Dinner and movies await.
I fear you're getting the better end of the deal.
Which one, what channel?
First. Spike TV. Commercials are annoying, but I'm too lazy to get up and put in the DVD.
When it comes to the crowd that voted for the war and are now critical of it the WH says "If you don't like the war, why did you vote for it?".
And then they stick out their tongues and say "nyah nyah."
So nice having children running the "last great superpower."
Off to Santa Barbara for a wedding. Happy drinking, smoking, sucking, eating, inhaling, swallowing, (insert your own preference here).
Buh-bye.
I was riding a suburban transit bus earlier today, and an Indian woman (grandmother, I'd guess) boarded with two young women in tow: a teenager and a nondescript moppet.
The older woman was wearing a sari, accentuated with traditional-looking jewelry. At least it looked traditional to me. The teenager was wearing very similar jewelry, i.e. abundant bangles and lovely silver earrings with complicated dangling medallions that looked like wind chimes.
However, the teenager was wearing low-cut jeans, and a black T-shirt not quite reaching to her waist emblazoned in pink glitter script with the statement "All I Want Is... Everything!" Later, I noticed that the back of the T-shirt asked the question, "Is There A Problem With That?"
I'm not sure I could bring myself to do it-- but how much do you think I could get from Tom Friedman if I offered him the rights to this encounter? I'm not exactly sure what use he'd put it to, but clearly this is the stuff of a Friedman column, or even an eponymous episode suitable for a book title.
Well some good news.
My 16 year old cat caught some kind of bug at the kennel, and despite a jolt of I.V. fluids and antibiotics, she just wasn't getting better. I was all set to make Mr. QL bring her in to be put down, when low and behold, she comes out from under the bed, sashays into the kitchen, eats some food, drinks some water, scratches the heirloom furniture, then steals my favorite chair and purrs.
Maybe she's gonna make it. WHOOHOO!
I haven't seen String today. She's at the compound getting used to all the new sounds and things out there while lying on her windowsill looking out.
here's a positive story, for a change:
Brazil's Biofuel Strategy Pays Off as Gas Prices Soar
By Dan Morgan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 18, 2005; D01
PRADOPOLIS, Brazil -- Outside the cavernous Sao Martinho refinery, the air smells of molasses as a quarter-mile-long caravan of trucks piled high with sugar cane waits to unload cargo, signs that the world's largest sugar harvest is moving into high gear.
Such bumper sugar crops have often meant worldwide gluts, low prices and headaches for politicians in the more than 100 countries where sugar cane is grown, but not this year in Brazil. About half the cane brought here will be made into ethanol as part of a 30-year gamble to substitute fuels made from crops for imported oil.
As international oil prices soar, that bet has put Brazil at the forefront of a "biofuels" movement in which many countries view sugar cane, corn, soybeans, beets, cornstalks and native grasses as cleaner, money-saving substitutes for oil produced in politically unstable countries. Ethanol is higher in power-producing octane than most gasoline and can reduce tailpipe emissions of carbon monoxide and harmful particulates.
The trend in Brazil has far-reaching implications for environmental policy, trade and economic development in poor countries that may have a bright future producing crops that can be easily turned into fuels. Biofuels also could be alternatives for U.S. farmers facing cuts in large federal farm subsidies on traditional crops, according to some agricultural economists.
I fear you're getting the better end of the deal.
and how!
I shall now blame Eli.
Everybody must blame Eli!
The thing that worries me about the next election is the way the last two elections were stolen. Those involved, from the top dawg Rove to the local precinct capt., Rightwingville seems pretty confident in their chances despite an amazing lack of cogency for their policies in poll after poll. Just WHERE will those winning votes come from? JAY-zus?
Hmmm. Wait a sec..., nah.
Derek Jeter just hit his first grand slam... ever!
In the majors, anyway.
Gimlet
I crawled through the individual casualty listings at icasualties.org a few weeks ago, and of the 1650 (at that time) US dead, less than 100 were listed as dieing outside of Iraq. With approximately 10,000 wounded, I find it hard to believe that less than 1% of the wounded eventually die of their wounds. Our doctors are good, but they ain't that good.
Maybe she's gonna make it. WHOOHOO!
QL in NY
Hurray!!!
Maybe she's gonna make it. WHOOHOO!
oh, HUZZAH!!!
I fear you're getting the better end of the deal.
I am certain of it.
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Everybody must blame Eli!
This is sooo not handy for me.
Errands, round one, completed.
What'd I miss?
The projections were chilling. Aside from the number of deaths, which could be quite high, they pointed out the economics of having the entire world sick, or afraid of same, for weeks on end.
BP
We're doing a total lock-down at the compound if that happens.
This is sooo not handy for me.
I shan't blame you, Eli.
I can't promise not to call for your head on a platter for the punning, but still...
Wow, I just saw a bit of Shark Attack II during the Godfather commercial break. It's really great.
' I was all set to make Mr. QL bring her in to be put down, when low and behold, she comes out from under the bed, sashays into the kitchen, eats some food, drinks some water, scratches the heirloom furniture, then steals my favorite chair and purrs."
very happy for you, QL...sounds like all is normal!
I don't think eating beef infected with Mad Cow pirons is simply an "unhealthy vice." That shit turns your brain to a sticky mush.
Did you by chance see Nova's program on BSE? Talk about chilling. Try destroying prions. Impervious to fire, last forever in the environment, or thereabouts. NIMBY thank you.
That said, I crave the occassional hamburger. Could care less about steak, which is far safer.
doubtless many liberal Christians think that having to say that they believe torture is wrong is sort of like "DUH?"
Prior Aelred
Prior, unfortunately, nothing "goes without saying" these days.
These Days.
Everybody must blame Eli!
Oddly, those are the original words to Rainy Day Women #12 & 35.
I shan't blame you, Eli.
It's not that, it's just... who do *I* blame?
Wow, I just saw a bit of Shark Attack II during the Godfather commercial break. It's really great.
how many empty bottles are next to the chair?
Elaine:
Your blog rocks!
who do *I* blame?
Eli
Canada.
First. Spike TV. Commercials are annoying
Thanks.
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Did you by chance see Nova's program on BSE? Talk about chilling. Try destroying prions. Impervious to fire, last forever in the environment, or thereabouts. NIMBY thank you.
That said, I crave the occassional hamburger. Could care less about steak, which is far safer.
BP
Yah, I only buy local, grain fed, organic beef. And I make sure it's not "organic." As far as one can, anyway.
Oddly, those are the original words to Rainy Day Women #12 & 35.
I was hoping somebody would get the allusion.
Toonscribe - 5:21 pm
Maybe if we concentrate on just one fairly populous state and compare the media numbers with DofD. A big discrepancy would be soooo embarrassing for them.
And the official explanation of "Depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" will leave people outraged that Johnny's death was not good enough to be in the official war dead.
That said, I crave the occassional hamburger. Could care less about steak, which is far safer.
BP
The absolute worst beef to eat is hamburger like at McDonalds or the hamburger roll at the supermarket. One hamburger patty can contain meat from a thousand cows. If you want an occasional hamburger, buy a sirloin and a chuck streak and have the butcher grind it up.
oh, hurray! plans bumped back an hour. I can still catch 45 minutes of Megaladon.
shoot me now.
Hi Steve LG
Did you mow your lawn yet?
Eli,
Blame liberal elitists... no... wait.. that won't work. Ummm, I am stumped.
I'm here for you, NTodd.
Yah, I only buy local, grain fed, organic beef. And I make sure it's not "organic." As far as one can, anyway.
rorschach
I think you're a name-stealer.
Maybe she's gonna make it. WHOOHOO!
I take it she is not the one who is so "helpful" with the quilting?
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Anyway, you can't tell most people anything. They have to learn the hard way and blame you for not telling them probably in the end.
how many empty bottles are next to the chair?
only 1. the others are in the kitchen. i'm not *that* much of a slob...
delicious rudeness on the shaivo case:
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com
What are we blaming Eli for, anyway?
We're doing a total lock-down at the compound if that happens.
Ô¿Ô - 5:22 pm
Duct Tape?
¡Vive la raba venerable de ella!
only 1. the others are in the kitchen. i'm not *that* much of a slob...
NTodd
Let it never be said that NTodd is a sloppy drunk. He is a tidy drunk!
I'm here for you, NTodd.
I love you, man!
Mrs. QL--I am so happy to hear about Kitty QL! She sounds as if she'll be fine.
A cat of mine had a stroke and exhibited similar behavior at the age of 14. She then recovered and lived another 6 years.
The Iraq War, By The Numbers
By any objective measure, a resounding success, right?
"Let it never be said that NTodd is a sloppy drunk. He is a tidy drunk!"
yeah but any moment now he's gonna get all weepy and oppressed and shit and lash out at everyone. Or maybe he'll go make some soup.
QuentinCompson,
"Re: Jim Lampley piece - a thin rehash of the Brian Harring piece it refs.
Discredited, again, several threads below."
Do have a link to the discredit?
Here is a link to the credit:
http://www.haloscan.com/
comments...9845538#2875608
The links you provide in your comment simple point the casualty lists not proof they include what lampley says might be missing numbers.
Of the over 14,000 evacuated out of Iraq global security could only find 10 that were listed as casualties after they died. According to the wapo piece linked to at GS a US doctor in Iraq says he sees at least 1 serious brain injury a day. 40% are brain dead. Shipped home as vegetables. The mil leaves it up to the family to decide to pull the plug or not.
I, for one, am blaming Eli for my inability to spell here. It is shorter typing to blame Eli rather than HaloScan, which was my other option. I also blame Eli for my convoluted grammar here.
What are we blaming Eli for, anyway?
Everything.
Let it never be said that NTodd is a sloppy drunk. He is a tidy drunk!
Indeed. I'm only sloppy when I'm sober.
I'm here for you, NTodd.
I love you, man!
NTodd
Back at you, man! Okay, maybe you are a sloppy drunk!
yeah but any moment now he's gonna get all weepy and oppressed and shit and lash out at everyone.
You must be thinking of someone else in the room, not to name names, but someone who deems me a namestealer, perhaps?
Or maybe he'll just pick dumb fights because he's, well, a 'dumb drunk.'
What are we blaming Eli for, anyway?
Everything.
But for a small fee, I can make it all stop.
On this warm Saturday evening I am watching a Prince DVD (his greatest hits) and drinking my 4th glass of wine (don't worry I am sharing it with my father) it is nice to escape for a couple of hours from reality (not all the time of course)
Plus the cats are going a bit mad, biffing each other up etc.
It is shorter typing to blame Eli rather than HaloScan, which was my other option.
Of course it is. Eli, 3 letters, Halowhatever, lots more letters and harder to spell, and let's just say I share the Preznitial opinion with regards to Hard work.
Blaming Eli, not so hard.
Now, a "Blooming Eli" might be interesting. I'll have mine with a bit of wasabi on the side.
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I'm very selective about my burger. The best thing to do is buy a roast and have it ground. You don't want your butcher to use those roto tools that scrape every last bit of meat from the bone either.
Interestingly, you pretty much safe eating muscle tissue. How they arrived at that understanding is particularly entertaining.
Apparently, in New Guinea some of the hill tribes eat their dead, and suffer from a related BSE type disease. Unlike Jeb Bush, they eat the dead out of respect, to make the family member part of themselves.
Of course, the men get the best cuts like brains, eyeballs and such, which contain neural tissue where prions reside. Those stuck eating the heinie and toes seldom got sick, which is how the light went on regarding the nature of transmission of Kreutzfelt (sp) Jacobs disease.
I think that's right, men got the brains, women got the heinie. I may have reversed it, however.
yeah but any moment now he's gonna get all weepy and oppressed and shit and lash out at everyone. Or maybe he'll go make some soup.
All you people hate me because I'm hetero. But just you wait until I get really drunk and...oh, wait...
On this warm Saturday evening I am watching a Prince DVD (his greatest hits) and drinking my 4th glass of wine (don't worry I am sharing it with my father) it is nice to escape for a couple of hours from reality (not all the time of course)
Very nice. For me, it's Asaam tea, The Full Monty on HBO, Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere, a tad of dissertation reading, and some similar cat-bopping.
You must be thinking of someone else in the room, not to name names, but someone who deems me a namestealer, perhaps?"
nope, i'm thinking specifically of ntodd. i've seen it before. for the first few beers he's ok, just drops a few inhibitions and perhaps admits he karyoked as madonna. A few more beers and he admits to liking show music. A couple more, tho, and he starts lashing out. Accuses people of molesting his pony, hiding his bike, persecuting digital photography.
Then he gets all weepy, blaming people for not listening to his precious podcasts.
It's very ugly. He's a mean drunk.
Or maybe he'll just pick dumb fights because he's, well, a 'dumb drunk.'
You wanna step outside, sailor?
I think that's right, men got the brains, women got the heinie.
Sexist!
Anyway, jdw doesn't believe most hetero males have been oppressive toward gay males. rorasch believes the South Beach diet is healthy.
Alright, bring it on you stupid fucks.
Hey Moon bats!
Did no one watch that CNN video?
Its amazing.The eyewitness reporter says in the video,"there is NO EVIDENCE OF A PLANE CRASH".He says no tail section,no wings.In fact he even states that the floors fell 45 minutes after the initial explosiion.
This is news.
Great find,whoever posted it.
Poest it again,for those of you who missed it.
Diet Coke, The Smiths "Louder Than Bombs", and relaxing
All you people hate me because I'm hetero. But just you wait until I get really drunk and...oh, wait...
NTodd
Hurray! The waiting is over!
Looks like the barroom brawl is just about to break out, like a thunderstorm on a sultry summer day...
a "Blooming Eli" might be interesting.
My Aussie friends tell me they don't actually eat Blooming Elis, and they're all just a concotion of Outback Steakhouse.
He's a mean drunk.
Fuck you, jdw. Stop oppressing me. Your people always puts my kind down, and I have every right to be angry. In fact, I'm going to go produce a podcast on that subject right now...
I was wondering how long that one would go unanswered. Too funny... ROFLOL.
Heywood--I don't think i could interpret those numbers to a positive trend by any methodology.
Quick look, Brando has oranges in his mouth and is scaring the kid, and is about to keel over.
(hoping to derail the catfight)
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Of course, those of your ilk can't dispute my arguments so you attack me personally.
later moonbats...i'll be back when ntodd is passed out. we'll put his hands in warm water and watch the fun....
for the first few beers he's ok
And for the record, I'm drinking Shiraz, though I really wish I had some Castle Rock Pinot (2002, Napa Valley)...
I have always like the work ilk. Nice and short.
My Aussie friends tell me they don't actually eat Blooming Elis, and they're all just a concotion of Outback Steakhouse.
Your Aussie friends are just a concoction of Outback Steakhouse?
Hmm. Mine too, I suppose, now that I think of it.
My Aussie friends tell me they don't actually eat Blooming Elis, and they're all just a concotion of Outback Steakhouse.
Just so long as no-one tries to eat my bloomers...
Looks like the barroom brawl is just about to break out, like a thunderstorm on a sultry summer day...
Damn, I had a window where I coulda mowed the lawn, but another storm's coming in. Thank god for minor miracles.
OMG, did you all know that Don Corleone is Luke's father?
Hetero males have a history of being crap. That's a fact but nobody cares. NTodd, go podcast all you like. Nobody cares. You're a loser.
Your Aussie friends are just a concoction of Outback Steakhouse?
Hmm. Mine too, I suppose, now that I think of it.
I just assumed *all* Aussies were fictional inventions of Outback Steakhouse and Foster's.
And for the record, I'm drinking Shiraz, though I really wish I had some Castle Rock Pinot (2002, Napa Valley)...
NTodd
I am very much looking forward to a bottle of Mudhouse pinotage, brought all the way back from New Zealand, which my wife and I plan to share to celebrate the end of two alcohol-free weeks. Nine days to go...
NTodd, What shiraz are you drinking?
I can vaguely recall the Mad Cow Disease Crisis in Britain, most of its a blur
my mother if she is going to do burgers buys them from the local butcher in my town.
My father has a friend at work who is a farmer and his farmer friend often gives him meat from is own farm. We've had beef and lamb so far.
Just so long as no-one tries to eat my bloomers...
I figure you must be watching the game, 'cause it took awhile for you to respond to the teed up ball.
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jdw, have another one. rorasch, give your Beard a smooch.
bp, prions aren't completely impervious to heat, but nearly. But my mom didn't get CJD from meat, she most likely got it from one of her spinal surgeries. Normal sterilization procedures don't kill the bastards.
.i'll be back when ntodd is passed out. we'll put his hands in warm water and watch the fun....
Nah, I'm onto that one. I saw them do that to Frank Burns in M*A*S*H. I'm wearing my Depends as a precaution.
Your Aussie friends are just a concoction of Outback Steakhouse?
Of course. You don't think people actually live in that fucking wasteland, do you?
Just so long as no-one tries to eat my bloomers...
As your official stalker, I appreciate any intel you give me.
I just assumed *all* Aussies were fictional inventions of Outback Steakhouse and Foster's.
I thought Australia was a fictional invention of the movie "Crocodile Dundee"
Are you telling me it's a real Country?
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I figure you must be watching the game, 'cause it took awhile for you to respond to the teed up ball.
Well, yeah. Plus semi-seriously looking at gaming laptops.
I'm kinda leaning towards a Dell XPS because I can't stand touchpads...
Oh, Christ. I come back to the NTodd-Incog feud.
I think I'll pass.
later.
rorasch and his beard are sharing a glass of wine. How sweet.
Ô¿Ô, Be nice. I'm watching you. (smilely face here)
Latest on memos
new story from AP on the DSM.
Headline reads British concerns over Iraq plans.
Includes links to the documents
OT but that bridgestone commercial with the wheels go round and round bit, sounds alot like the first song I ever wrote (first grade) called "upside down on a merry-go-round"
I wonder if I should sue? (did I ever actually finish the song and publish it, hmmmmmmmm.)
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NTodd, What shiraz are you drinking?
Uh...something nice, cheap and Aussie. Our General Store doesn't have the widest selection, though Bob's been very good and expanding it (I work with his brother Rik and had complained about the shitty wines at the store one day at lunch, and later that week Bob told me he'd get more good stuff).
Are you telling me it's a real Country?
Well, someone's gotta play the role of ugly American to New Zealand's cool Canadian...
I don't think i could competly give up meat, vegetarism doesn't appeal to me personally but I respect you if you choose not to eat it, but thats just me.
Ô¿Ô, Be nice. I'm watching you. (smilely face here)
mer
I'm glad you're here. Go up and follow the conversation downward and see where it began.
Gift for Holy Fathers:
A bumper sticker that says "Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers."
Incog's gone bonkers. See ya.
The idiotic Charles Johnson is trying to relive his 'Rather' glory days by suggesting the memos are fake. This despite:
The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material
And also ignoring the fact that neither Bush nor Blair ever suggested the memos were fake.
Charles Johnson is the ponytailed fucker and his idiotic lizards are dumb as shit.
Here's part of a statement from the National Council of Churches (organization of mostly liberal, mainline Protestants):
How can Americans expect such cooperation when our actions can only be met with revulsion? Indeed, our actions have resulted, not only in the squandering of the universal goodwill enjoyed by the U.S. in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, but also in the alienation of many around the world who once saw American democracy as something to be emulated. How else to assess the damage done by the unilateral invasion of Iraq, the deprival of due process for more than 600 people imprisoned at Guantanamo, the closing down of an Iraqi newspaper, the appalling mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners?
The statement is from May, 2004, in the wake of the Abu Ghraib revelations.
jdw, have another one, pour some salt on your slugs and on yourself while you're at it.
What is it about GodFather baptisms that remind me of the night of the long knives?
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my wife and I plan to share to celebrate the end of two alcohol-free weeks.
I give up drinking from New Year's to Superbowl Sunday. It sucks.
Oh, Christ. I come back to the NTodd-Incog feud.
I'm being rather well-behaved, thank you.
rorasch and his beard are sharing a glass of wine. How sweet.
Hey, Incog, how's your...pussy.
Rosemont does a good rather cheap shiraz. It works for me when the budget does not extend to elitist French Rhones.
NTodd, What shiraz are you drinking?
Uh...something nice, cheap and Aussie.
I'm guessing Rosemount...
Incog's gone bonkers. See ya.
Trolls can only *dream* of being as effective at Incog at driving people away...
I respect people's decision not to eat meat, but hey, I rarely drink; I don't smoke; I don't (and won't) do drugs. I have been celibate for awhile (not my choice).
If I want to have a steak, I'm going to have one.
I can vaguely recall the Mad Cow Disease Crisis in Britain
The thing about BSE and prions is they don't fully understand the pathology of the disease. They know that beyond a certain threshold, the symptoms begin and progress until death. What they don't know is what that threshold is, as in how many prions does it take to trigger onset.
So, there's some speculation that there's some carrying capacity, but there's a cumulative limit beyond which your goose is cooked (although they say one symptom is believing what you see on the tele is real, which is good if you liked the last Brittany video, but not if you like fear factor).
I'm no expert and haven't followed recent research. Some MDs have posted here with detailed info.
My point is, when you see reports of another cow, that means it's in the food supply. How much is the problem given the pathology of the disease.
*as* - I knew something didn't look right...
Read doc# 2 - that's the dinner with Condi document.
Charles Johnson is the ponytailed fucker and his idiotic lizards are dumb as shit.
Bobo |
Agreed!
Rush Limbaugh walks into a bar with a toad on his head.
The bartender says, "How'd you find him?"
The toad replies, "I didn't. He started as a wart on my ass.
Read doc# 2 - that's the dinner with Condi document.
I'm waiting for the fanfic versions.
Well, someone's gotta play the role of ugly American to New Zealand's cool Canadian...
Oh and I take full responsibility for not closing the italics tag.
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Trolls can only *dream* of being as effective as Incog at driving people away...
Eli
They should sign up for lessons.
I respect people's decision not to eat meat, but hey, I rarely drink; I don't smoke; I don't (and won't) do drugs. I have been celibate for awhile (not my choice).
If I want to have a steak, I'm going to have one.
Terry C
Of all the vices you list, celibacy is the only one I've not willingly indulged in...
Oh and I take full responsibility for not closing the italics tag.
Whew!
I'm drinking Shiraz, though I really wish I had some Castle Rock Pinot (2002, Napa Valley)...
NTodd
Tee, hee. Napa Valley and its wealth of wineries - 40 minutes away on a beeyootiful Saturday afternoon.
Should I pick something up for you next time I drive up there?
The way I see it, I state a simple indisputable truth, it makes some people uncomfortable so they attack me personally but not the truth. So I will attack them back on a personal level. Anyway, I was not going to get into that truth until those three began baiting me. Read the conversation down.
Chilean wine is really good.
Am drinking a very yummy Chilean Cabernet Sauviginon (Isla Negra)
Chilean wine sure beats most other wines in my opinion!
NTodd, jdw, and rorasch are twits.
While tipsy Ntodd is picking on incog where is Jamie McIntrye? Is he still reporting?
Rosemont would be a good guess normally, but it's cheaper than that: Alice White. I was too lazy to head all the way to the Steeple Market for something a bit higher-end. Besides, I'm a starving academic and artist now--I can't afford good stuff all the time.
Flory--let me know if you're ever going to Napa. I'll send you $$$ to stop at V. Suttui. The best Gamay Rouge ever. And that includes the stuff I had in France.
Somewhere there are pictures of Rummy outside picking up missle debris.
Trolls can only *dream* of being as effective at Incog at driving people away..
I don't understand the need to antagonize him, that's all.
Should I pick something up for you next time I drive up there?
Yeah, a case of everything would be nice! I'm stuck teaching mostly for Verizon these days, so I won't be getting out to CA any time soon, alas.
NTodd, jdw, and rorasch are twits.
I thought I was an evil hetero.
which is how the light went on regarding the nature of transmission of Kreutzfelt (sp) Jacobs disease.
When the growth hormone was first developed they actually retrieved the hormone from cadavers. Unfortunately, many children developed Kreutzfelt (sp) Jacobs as a result. Now they have a synthetic hormone. Before that, the disease had only seen a couple of dozen times.
Incog's gone bonkers. See ya.
Well in all actuality someones were poking a stick into a hornets nest, and for no good reason that I can see, so I don't entirely blame incog.
stern glance directed to the Northeast and the South and in all other directions to cover unknown location of the third culprit, with a last "Why take the bait" look cast in the direction of the bayou.
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Read doc# 2 - that's the dinner with Condi document.
I'm waiting for the fanfic versions.
Eli
Did you look at these? scroll down to the bottom, they have 8 documents, but the last two didn't come up.
The article said that these were retyped from the orignal documents. W
I don't understand the need to antagonize him, that's all.
I don't either, but he's usually a self-starter.
Tee, hee. Napa Valley and its wealth of wineries - 40 minutes away on a beeyootiful Saturday afternoon.
Should I pick something up for you next time I drive up there?
flory - Let them mail away for it just as the Supreme Court implores them to do. Meanwhile, Trader Joe's been berry, berry good to me.
They all three like to gang up to bait and bully. It's typical dumb male behaivor.
If you want a decent quality to price ratio, look into Romanian wines. Primarily reds.
stern glance directed to the Northeast and the South and in all other directions to cover unknown location of the third culprit, with a last "Why take the bait" look cast in the direction of the bayou.
word, Kent.
Did you look at these? scroll down to the bottom, they have 8 documents, but the last two didn't come up.
I'm pretty sure I've read it, actually - I just saw "dinner with Condi" and thought of the fan fiction for stuff like Buffy The Vampire Slayer that just veers into bizarre porn fantasies...
And I'm certainly not going to back down. That should be more than clear by now.
"NTodd, jdw, and rorasch are twits."
--Ô¿Ô
No they are not. Incog, you provoke people who are basically on your side and, of course, they will defend themselves. With taunts just like yours. People are different, but not all people are intolerant.
jdw
Gee, I read the overnight posts most mornings. I have never seen NTodd behave in any way but witty, nice, and almost gentlemanly.
Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case NTodd, ignore this post. I don't want to give up teasing you.
I don't either, but he's usually a self-starter.
don't like what you're watching, change the channel.
Chilean wine sure beats most other wines in my opinion!
Moonbootica
Indeed. But I do have to say that New Zealand wines really deserve to be more widely known than they are. Some fantastic unoaked chardonnays and pinots.
I don't understand the need to antagonize him, that's all.
It's a compulsion more than a need. I tried being nice, I tried tough love, I tried reconciling, but he keeps spitting on me and I find his act entertaining. Besides, one of my great talents is pushing buttons, especially those that belong to people I care about. Gotta stay in practice.
I'll send you $$$ to stop at V. Suttui. The best Gamay Rouge ever. And that includes the stuff I had in France.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
Done. V Sattui has a great picnic grounds - great for lunch.
The snacks for tonight's movie special will be as follows: sour cream chocolate cake, whatever remains of the sour lemon cake (and there's not much), fresh strawberries, and some very lovely Beaujolais.
And popcorn. It'd just be wrong not to have popcorn.
They all three like to gang up to bait and bully. It's typical dumb male behaivor.
There are shifting alliances, but it comes down to Some People don't have enough to occupy themselves. For Those People, I'd suggest maybe doing their chores or assisting their companions in some way. Or perhaps, in the time honored fashion, going outdoors and engaging in meaningless physical activity until you're worn out and behave like Human beings.
Just a suggestion however.
Mooooooom, jdw started it!
My apologies for whatever baiting or whatever I've done. However, on this thread, the first interactions between myself and Incog were him repeatedly accusing me of being a namestealer. So I don't feel all that bad.
Incog, look, we all love you and we're all with you.
The Chilean Isla Negra Cabernet Sauvignon was going for £3.74 reduced from £5.99 at Tesco's, an extra 5% off if you buy 6.
Everytime Tesco does that offer my dad rushes down and buys up to 12 bottles or more cause the deal is really good.
Tesco
mer, I don't think they're really on my side. rorasch has put demeaned my comments for two years now with his faux elitist BS. Usually, I just think it's funny and ignored him but I'm really sick of it now.
how can you folks pick on Incog when it's "the Arabs" who regularly cut the heads off gays and put their bodies on pikes in the middle of the public square? happens everyday. so cut Incog some slack, he has to put up with "the Arabs" and their shit.
I'm thinking black peppercorn sauce for the steaks tonight. Does anyone think the sauce should include red wine (not Beaujolais--too sweet for cooking).
don't like what you're watching, change the channel.
Word, back atcha friend.
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But I will stop feeding the fire as of now. Or stirring the hornets' nest. Or whatever metaphor.
IMO steak sauces should always include wine
BTW anyone else get the first three posts today?
I didn't think so.
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They all three like to gang up to bait and bully. It's typical dumb male behaivor.
Ow. That really hurt.
That Michael Corleone is a good liar.
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I'm thinking black peppercorn sauce for the steaks tonight. Does anyone think the sauce should include red wine (not Beaujolais--too sweet for cooking).
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
Salivating now! Yes, use a dry red, such as a pinot noir or a cab, perhaps? What kind of steaks?
once rorschach yelled at me and besides he's a socialist.
Mrs. I - thanks for setting me straight. Heh.
QL, so glad about your kitty!!!
I love talking about Incognito! Incognito is marvelous! I love Ingcognito! Is he wonderful or what? Let's talk about Incognito some more! He's gay and marvelous! Just marvelous!
how can you folks pick on Incog when it's "the Arabs" who regularly cut the heads off gays and put their bodies on pikes in the middle of the public square? happens everyday. so cut Incog some slack, he has to put up with "the Arabs" and their shit.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
Arabs don't behead gay Arabs?
OK, RE: The Pentagon plane conspiracy.
Snopes is your friend.
Essentially, a big hollow tube of aluminium, hitting re-enforced limestone, steel and kevlar at 350 MPH is going to shatter and collapse.
once rorschach yelled at me and besides he's a socialist.
magnolia's propaganda ministry
Heh. Indeed. Plus I'm bi.
That Michael Corleone is a good liar.
I'd never accept a drink or a plane ticket from him, that's for sure.
That Michael Corleone is a good liar.
Just a suggestion however.
and this is why I like GWPDA.
I'm thinking black peppercorn sauce for the steaks tonight. Does anyone think the sauce should include red wine (not Beaujolais--too sweet for cooking).
Mmm, tasty! I look forward to defecating it on myself later!
"Mooooooom, jdw started it!"
NTodd--a corollary of 'it's all about me' as the organizing principle of an only child is 'it's not my fault!'
I'd never accept a drink or a plane ticket from him, that's for sure.
NTodd
Fishing trip?
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have always liked you. Will continue to, I suspect.
I don't understand the need to antagonize him, that's all.
Ayup.
And the comment someone made the other day about the wimmin being all nice to him and asking about String when he gets going was bullshit.
whatever remains of the sour lemon cake (and there's not much),
What sour lemon cake? (face covered in sour lemon cake while attempting to act innocent)
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I wasn't aware that Incognito is gay! That's marvelous! Gayness is wonderful! Let's talk about how gay and marvelous Incognito is! Give Incognito a hand! That's just wonderful! He's wonderful!
I don't have a problem with Arabs it's just a culture and society where beheading gays is just par for the course.
Easy on that sofa there, Tom. We need that for Hammerhead: Shark Frenzy in... 175 minutes.
Kent--no worries. I was going to blame Eli and NTodd anyway
Arabs don't behead gay Arabs?
sure they do. regularly. then they put their headless bodies on pikes. those Arabs. I think it was the great and wise philospher Incog who said we should bomb them until all Arabia looks like green glass. "trust me, they'd do it to us, if they had a chance" were his exact words.
whenever I want to know what "The Arabs" are up to I always turn to the rational and sane words of Incog.
NTodd--a corollary of 'it's all about me' as the organizing principle of an only child is 'it's not my fault!'
I practice what I preach!
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari, I asked you a question?
I'd suggest maybe doing their chores or assisting their companions in some way. Or perhaps, in the time honored fashion, going outdoors and engaging in meaningless physical activity until you're worn out and behave like Human beings.
Just a suggestion however.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar
Words of wisdom.
Thanks, that hit home!
I did clean the kitchen, and will be cooking soon, but some how it's not enough. We're not happy today.
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Beheading gays is wonderful! Excellent! Yes! Katie is the love of my life and she loves beheading gays! Let's talk about how much Katie loves Incognito! It's fascinating! Behead the gays! Heads on pikes! Gay! Wonderful! Just marvelous!
When the growth hormone was first developed they actually retrieved the hormone from cadavers. Unfortunately, many children developed Kreutzfelt (sp) Jacobs as a result.
I guess that's why they pursued it in New Guinea, because it was common amongst certain tribes.
Neither explains the presence of prions in the environment, however. Are they always present, but only enter our systems at small, non-toxic levels absent other practices?
Whoever had the bright idea of feeding diseased cows to cows was really working overtime that day.
"Hey! I've got an idea. Let's turn these herbivores into cannibalistic carnivores, then let's eat'em."
Oh god, I take a nap and wake up to find squabbling on the threads -
What's the weather like in La, Incog? Think it's going to be a bad summer? It's looking that way in Dallas.
Just a suggestion however.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar
I made my partner breakfast, and then made some desserts for later, does that count?
I'd suggest maybe doing their chores or assisting their companions in some way.
I'm not doing any chores today. My human and canine companions are out of town this weekend, as usual, and my feline companions could care less--Saff's asleep and Sam just checked in before heading back outside to hunt in the tall grass.
I'd never accept a drink or a plane ticket from him, that's for sure.
And to think I had planned to play poker with the guy, not any more.
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Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari, I asked you a question?
I don't provide proof to the wild-eyed assertions of trolls, or heterophobic racists. Assertions without proof is their problem, not mine.
Sam just checked in before heading back outside to hunt in the tall grass.
NTodd
Yet another reason you should not, nay must not, mow the yard.
Tom Cruise--you're no different from anyone else who tries to take my seat, so let me say it to you: Get the hell outta my chair.
Kent - fold.
Kent--no worries. I was going to blame Eli and NTodd anyway
WooooooooHooooooo
(still licking fingers)
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NTodd--Cairo goes with Mommy on weekends?
you should not, nay must not, mow the yard.
Alas, Stef doesn't buy my very rational argument. But she's not here right now, and it's always easier to ask forgiveness than to ask for permission...
I meant that in the sense that Japan would have nuked the US if they could have during WWII. It was somewhat taken out of context but I should have been more clear That happens on a fast-paced message board sometimes.
Incog, look, we all love you and we're all with you.
Not me. I don't post much, but I read a lot, and I don't like the way Incog lashes out at the drop of a hat. It's tiresome.
And re: the Pentagon thing. My mom knew a guy who was a contractor at the Pentagon and saw the plane go right over his head. Got home and found a piece of it in the bed of his truck. Haven't watched the clip, but the reporter's comment could just be alluding to the fact that the plane basically vaporized on impact.
I'm thinking black peppercorn sauce for the steaks tonight. Does anyone think the sauce should include red wine (not Beaujolais--too sweet for cooking).
Word. In Nice we used to have steak au poive made with a white wine sauce. Unbelievably good.
We just called for indian food. I'll have some strawberries later, if I may.
(Quilts and cooking. We sound like such housefraus.)
No, watertiger, it's because I'm about to put together a cold sliced steak salad on baby spinach, with avocado, and roquefort vinaigrette.
And there's not enough to share.
BTW, what is the preferred diet of rats? We seem to have acquired one in our yard. Scruffy is a big one, too. I'm just wondering--cat food, dog food, fruit, what?
Kent - fold.
Done and Done.
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I spent most of the day outside. I planted my barrel with flowers, then I went up to where there has been some thinning of undergrowth going on for fire prevention and scooped up 6 buckets of wood chips for mulch, came back and spread them. Then I went back and got 6 more.
Then I assembled the grill I bought yesterday. I had to break down all the boxes so the cardboard would be picked up - if he will. Sometimes he won't take it. I don't want to take it to the dump - it costs and I'm already paying for trash service.
NTodd--Cairo goes with Mommy on weekends?
Not all weekends, but many of them. Cairo is an honorary horse: the ranch's three equines love to play with her. And a local fire dept that gets training up there has adopted her as their mascot (they even brought her sticks last time they were doing a follow-up class).
GWPDA - I had a baby spinach salad for lunch, with a boiled egg on it and balsamic vinaigrette.
Dunno what I'm going to do about dinner.
Rats eat any and every-thing. Don't know what they prefer, but on an ancient Hill Street Blues, it was Cheese Whiz.
Here is a list of Sodomy laws around the world. In all Arab countries, to be accused of being a homosexual carries the death penalty. Just the accusation.
Who was that woman that wrote the interesting book on the rape of Nanking?
I listened to her on CSPAN a few years back. Interesting paradox on the Japanese soldiers involved, some of which were normal, upstanding members of their communities before and after the war. For some reason, though, it became okay to throw babies in the air and catch them on bayonettes during the taking an Nanking.
She committed suicide not long ago, and she was quite young too.
Here is a list of Sodomy laws around the world.
Excellent! As a world traveller myself, that's a handy list...
Contact Sirius Music and let them know that throwing a Father's Day weekend request party for Michael Jackson's acquittal is bullshit.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari, for your benefit, I will now begin listing links of Arabs beheading gays....
Rorschach--they're top sirloins, on sale this week. Good grilling steaks, nice lean trim.
I have lounged around all day. Continue my watching of birds & squirrels.
Am happy doing that.
the plane basically vaporized on impact.
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of course-i forgot my physics lessons
BP, you're thinking of Iris Chang.
Scruffy is a big one, too. I'm just wondering--cat food, dog food, fruit, what?
Sallyh,
I just got it that you named that rat Scruffy.
That just kills me. As to your question, I'm sure that Scruffy would enjoy either choice.
Then I assembled the grill I bought yesterday.
Synchronicity. I just assembled a new grill (wedding present) a few days back. Much sweatier work than one would think it should be.
Well worth it, though, judging by the grilled swordfish steaks we had the other night...
BP, you're thinking of Iris Chang.
Did you read it? If so, any thoughts?
BP - She committed suicide not long ago, and she was quite young too.
I have always found it desperately sad that so many Holocaust survivors end up killing themselves. I guess once all illusions about what humans are capable of are gone, it's terribly difficult to want to continue.
Rats eat anything they can. Including human feces and dead rats.
There's a couple of places here in Boston where the homeless prefer to deficate. The rats will eat the feces and leave the ground all but spotless. No smell makes it a more pleasant al fresco toilet. And as there are no piles of human feces to give them away, there's no effort to keep the people out.
You might try rat poison and rat traps. The best way to kill a rat is to shoot it. Hollowpoint .22 is the smallest caliber/bullet I'd use willingly.
.45 will definaely do the job. The neighbors might complain about the gunfire, though.
Kent--Scruffy's been around for several days, apparently. Mademoiselle has seen him, but not moi, until today. He's almost the size of my smallest cat.
Rats eat any and every-thing. Don't know what they prefer, but on an ancient Hill Street Blues, it was Cheese Whiz.
A neighbor just told me she saw one eating a window screen yesterday.
Just go here for instances of Arabs beheading gays and gay couples.
I have always found it desperately sad that so many Holocaust survivors end up killing themselves. I guess once all illusions about what humans are capable of are gone, it's terribly difficult to want to continue.
Tena
Not to mention survivors' guilt...
Chris--we kind of like Scruffy. Not really planning on killing him.
Soon, at least as soon as my crony, the Horticulturalist and Landscaper Titze can break away from overcharging recent immigrants to Phoenix to design their landscapes, I shall have something very similar to this.
The biggest rat I ever saw crossed the road in front of my car one night. It was HUGE.
Turned out to be my first oppossum sighting.
He's almost the size of my smallest cat.
Well if you start feeding the newest family member and his or her coat starts to glow, are you gonna change the name?
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BTW, what is the preferred diet of rats? We seem to have acquired one in our yard. Scruffy is a big one, too. I'm just wondering--cat food, dog food, fruit, what?
Sallyh, La Poissoniere - 6:28 pm
Rats and squirrels love giant "stripe" sunflower seeds (not the black oil sunflower seeds). The stripe ones come in 50 lb bags for about twenty dollars.
I'm trying to remember, although I suppose I could Google the answer. I think she was the offspring of a Nanking survivor.
oh, sallyh, how could one name a rat an dthen kill it...???
This is - on my part - flagrant hypocrisy. I do not understand 4-H'ers, because, if I had to kill and butcher my own meat, especially that which I had named, I'd be a veg, fer shure.
Have no idea what I'd wear for shoes. Plastic, I guess. PayLess.
rorschach - I tell you, we were separated at birth.
I got a baby webber propane grill - really nice. If you don't have a propane grill up here you might as well forget it - you can't keep charcoal lit - there's not enough oxygen.
Anyway, it's a tabletop grill (I got the stand) and for a baby it has a very generous grilling area.
It was an easy assembly. Breaking down the boxes was a bitch and a half, however.
Today
I don't have a problem with Arabs it's just a culture and society where beheading gays is just par for the course.
Ô¿Ô | Email | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 6:19 pm
Thursday
I have absolutely no doubt had the situation been reversed, we would all be charcoal right not. Still may be. The Islamists are actively seeking nukes for many years. I think they have them and are going to vaporize one of our cities.
Ô¿Ô | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 2:39 pm
I think it's a little idiotic defending the Arabs when I've been around them. I know the way they are. They would vaporize you if they could.
Ô¿Ô | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 2:42 pm
Ah, fuck you. You been all over the Middle East? Didn't think so. I have. I know what they're about. And quite frankly, I don't too much care for them and don't too much care for ya'll whining about them when they would quickly cut your throats if they could.
Ô¿Ô | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 2:45 pm |
Why don't ya'll care about their treatment of gays? THEY FUCKING CHOP THEIR HEADS OFF AND HANG THEIR HEADLESS BODIES ON A POLE!! WHERE IS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THAT!!
Ô¿Ô | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 2:46 pm |
I don't give a shit what anyone, especially a dull-wit like you thinks about anything, me or otherwise. As far as the Arabs go, they would behead me there so I don't too much care about them, either.
Ô¿Ô | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:03 pm |
ANSWER MY GODDAMN QUESTION OH ENLIGHTENED LIBERALS! DO THEY BEHEAD THOSE LIKE ME AND HANG THEIR HEADLESS BODIES ON A POLE ON THE STREET???
Ô¿Ô | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:10 pm |
They depend on popular support. Every Saudi recieves a royalty check from that oil. They're bovine cows and do no work themselves depending on outside contractors for everything.
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Err, it's pretty standard procedure and widespread to behead gays and beat women to death in Arab countries.
Ô¿Ô | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:17 pm |
But the Saudis will behead you if you're a homo and smack one of their womens down in the street. I'm supposed to care about them?
Ô¿Ô | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:45 pm |
Nah, I don't give a shit about them.
Ô¿Ô | Email | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 3:45 pm |
fuck racist assholes.
I should add, apologies if I spoiled anyone's appitite, even though that means more for me, that surely was not my intent.
Boston is quite familair with rat infestations, due to the Big Dig essentially chewing up most of Boston just below street level.
For the past few years, you'll see rats where no rat has been seen in the longest time.
Kent--he's not coming in the house (despite Mademoiselle's entreaties--I have no idea what diseases the rat's carrying), but he's pretty healthy looking. The name was from a Saturday Night Live ep.
What bothers me is how nobody cares and tries to foo-foo it away like it doesn't matter. Like Arab society is somehow sterling. And I don't think American society is much better. They're openly calling for the same treatment for gays here now.
Gimlet - you know what finds the oily sunflower seeds irresistable?
Black bears. That's what led the bear to climb in my window 3 years ago - he could smell my bird feeder that I had taken down and put inside just so I wouldn't attract a bear.
Lovely barbie GWPDA
Dinner will be chicken breast marinated in a delish cilantro/mint chutney I bought from the Indian couple at the farmers market.
Just thought you'd wnat to know.
Magnolia--we've got possums too. Now they're just butt ugly.
Had lots of fun here today, most of it at Jeb's expense. But, that's what he's for.
Haven't done a lick of work though. Think I'll try to do some before the sun goes down. Later.
The name was from a Saturday Night Live ep.
Gotcha, I just love it that you all have taken a shine to a normally frowned upon creature.
IIRC they are smart, omnivorous, and actually can make nice pets, but you are right about the potential for disease.
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I found a pack rat in the garage with babies. Beautiful shiney bluish/dark gray hair. Another first sighting for me. She liked the vegetable garden and would raid it during the night and haul the veggies in for snacks latter.
Sallyh, you DO NOT want rats anywhere near where you live.
Seriously, they are bad news, and where you see one, you can be certain there are more.
If they get into the house, you will have the devil's own time getting rid of them and in the interim, if it's organic, it'll be chewed on.
GWPDA - Nice. My dad built one that looked almost exactly like that when I was a kid.
I've seen outside kitchens in magazines that are just gorgeous. A brick grill, prep space, you name it. And since you have a pool, you really never have to leave! Nice.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari, do you think the average Arab respects me as a gay man. So why should I respect the average Arab? I never will until they change and they're never going to change. But I'm supposed to respect them or I'm the bigot.
When Arabs start respecting gays and stop beheading them and imprisoning them, then I'm change my views. That doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or anything.
rorschach - I tell you, we were separated at birth.
Indeed! Mine is a big charcoal grill, and it was a pain. More of a pain, in my case too, was the cardboard. Due to the whole moving-back-in and putting-the-house-back-together, the cardboard pile, once broken down, was about four feet high.
And yet, the recycling people took it all! Hurray!
Like Arab society is somehow sterling.
I've not heard a single person say that.
Black bears. That's what led the bear to climb in my window 3 years ago - he could smell my bird feeder that I had taken down and put inside just so I wouldn't attract a bear.
Tena - 6:42 pm
I would be real unhappy to attract a bear. Wouldn't want to kill it, but would worry about my pets and outdoor adopted wildlife.
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you are right. You make people uncomfortable and piss them off w/your anger, but, too bad, IMHO/
Boston is quite familair with rat infestations, due to the Big Dig essentially chewing up most of Boston just below street level.
When they were building the DC Metro right underneath NIH the same thing happened and they discovered some very weird varieties of rats - hybrids of the local feral variety and escaped lab rats.
Anyways, more and more, I don't have respect for any group. I've often wrote that increasinly, I think humans are bacteria.
That's what led the bear to climb in my window 3 years ago - he could smell my bird feeder that I had taken down and put inside just so I wouldn't attract a bear.
If you have any disagreeable neighbors, ask them to keep the bird feeder next time, or toss some edible garbage into their yard on a regular basis.
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Kent & Chris--I'm actually fiercely anti-rodent; i don't permit hamsters, gerbils, or guinea pigs in my home, and the squirrels in the LA area are damned aggressive. But Scruffy is peculiarly cute.
Chris - even if it's not organic, it can be chewed up. The pack rats up here will eat the insulation and belts and hoses in car engines and strip anything else they can get their teeth into.
The marmots keep eating the plumbing pipe insulation at a friend's house above town.
so 3 gay child molesters were beheaded in Ahba, Saudi Arabia in 2002. and that's it?
I guess we are making progress. In 2005 we put gay child molesters into uniform and put them in charge of interrogations at Abu Ghraib.
Incog--bacteria are always one step ahead of the human species.
you are right. You make people uncomfortable and piss them off w/your anger, but, too bad, IMHO/
No he doesn't, he bores everyone stiff with his predictable drunken ramblings. You know whenever he's here he's drunk, right? He never says anything interesting or new, it's "I hate Arabs because they hate gays" or "Arabs behead gays" or "I'm gay" or "I'm gay and you all hate me because I'm gay."
He's a troll.
If they get into the house, you will have the devil's own time getting rid of them and in the interim, if it's organic, it'll be chewed on.
Chris Tucker - 6:46 pm
If you have indoor cats the rats can smell their scent and not go inside or near them (unless they're starving or sick).
With some exceptions, of course. Some here are alright. Anyways, I provided proof that Arabs don't respect gays who they behead and imprison for who they are in a blase' matter-of-fact way.
Maybe it isn't a wharf rat if it is so cute. Might be a native mountain rodent.
Gimlet - it's mainly not fair to the bears. If one gets to be too much of a problem, sometimes the DOW will kill it. We have an endless battle up here to keep the clueless tourists from feeding the bears so they can take cute pictures. Oy.
It's illegal because it's so damned stupid and as I said, unfair as hell to the bears.
Gimlet--normally I have 4 indoor cats (6 if you count the visitors). We figure if we keep Scruffy fed, he's less likely to start eating crap he shouldn't.
Tena, toe sure. They have to chew constantly, in order to keep their teeth from growing too long.
I was thinking of Sallyh finding a closet full of chewed up shoes and whatnot.
I'm not a troll. I write ideas that make some people uncomfortable. I provide facts for those ideas. If I'm wrong, someone provide me proof that Arabs don't behead gays, for instance.
Chris--I'm willing to let him have a go at all the crap in the garage
And since you have a pool, you really never have to leave! Nice.
That's the plan. I think we'll add little storage/counter sections on each side, with doors to them. That way I can shove in the briquettes without fear of trouble, stash the tools. I'll use the same Talavera tile I used in my kitchen for the work surfaces - but it shouldnt be much more than about four feet across. My only real innovation in it (for it is really Sunset Magazine, ca. 1951 - just like my house as it happens), will be to have a place to insert a nice patio umbrella so that the sun doesn't hit anybody.
Good evening to all. Going out to dinner. Hope you all have a loverly night. And sweet dreams should you head to bed before I crawl back, sated!
SD
Anyway, I need to go make some soup.
"toe"? What the hell? I KNOW I typed "to be".
It just don't get no better than a bear.
the pack rats are not bad looking animals - they are blond in color, have big round ears and furry tails that are flat. They get as large as cats.
I trapped one that was trying to build a nest in my car engine and I kind of felt sorry for it. It didn't look anything like the common Norway rat.
I took it way up the pass and let it go. I suppose it beat me back home, but it left my car alone after that.
Gimlet - it's mainly not fair to the bears. If one gets to be too much of a problem, sometimes the DOW will kill it. We have an endless battle up here to keep the clueless tourists from feeding the bears so they can take cute pictures. Oy.
It's illegal because it's so damned stupid and as I said, unfair as hell to the bears.
Tena
As a true patriot, I fully support the amendment that gives us the right to arm bears.
Sounds kinda nice up there, Tena. I miss the mountains sometimes.
I'm not a troll. I write ideas that make some people uncomfortable. I provide facts for those ideas. If I'm wrong, someone provide me proof that Arabs don't behead gays, for instance.
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Yeah, that's right, mow them all down. Turn the Middle East to glass.
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racist asshole!
You don't have any ideas. You repeat the same bullshit over and over until someone, usually Tena, takes pity on you and pays attention to you, like you're a stupid, yapping puppy. You're an alcoholic lashing out at everyone because you're drunk and miserable. Shut the fuck up.
Chris - even if it's not organic, it can be chewed up. The pack rats up here will eat the insulation and belts and hoses in car engines and strip anything else they can get their teeth into.
The marmots keep eating the plumbing pipe insulation at a friend's house above town.
Tena - 6:49 pm
I think rodents of all types rats, squirrels, rabbits... have teeth that continue to grow through life. They gnaw on stuff to keep them from getting too long. They don't eat belts, hoses, and insulation, just gnaw on it.
so 3 gay child molesters were beheaded in Ahba, Saudi Arabia in 2002. and that's it?
I guess we are making progress. In 2005 we put gay child molesters into uniform and put them in charge of interrogations at Abu Ghraib.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
I knew you would glom on to that link and expose your bigotry. If you're an Arab, you would know the reasons for those incidences.
racist asshole!
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
homophobic bigot!
Sallyh - chances are good, given your location, that you have roof rats. Just for interest, there's really no such thing as 'a' rat. Here's what we've been doing about them.
Um - this is why I had to get rid of all those oranges, btw. Even so, I left the wood pile alone when I noticed that Arthur was expressing a great deal more interest in it than was otherwise explicable. Okay now tho - no food, and heat doesn't agree with them.
It's true about rodents. I found a rodent skull( probably a beaver) a couple of years ago and the teeth had grown and curved around and penetrated the skull. They do have to keep gnawing in order to stay alive or the teeth will kill them.
you're wrong, incog, I don't have anything but respect for gay folks. always have, always will. your claim was that "The Arabs" regularly behead gays and put their headless bodies on poles in the public square. this claim came after you urged that "the Arabs" be mowed down. and your proof? a google search index. you are so pathetic, but I will say you play the victim like a fiddle.
your racism is apalling. we condemn such hate speech in the trolls, and I will condemn it in you.
GWPDA - You aren't kidding about the heat - a number of years ago, before I got this place and still spent the summers in hell - we had rats chew their way into our air-conditioning ducts because of the heat. It drove them inside. I thought we'd never get rid of them, but we finally did.
more adults please
so 3 gay child molesters were beheaded in Ahba, Saudi Arabia in 2002. and that's it?
Why did you glom onto this, then? What is a "gay child molester"? Are there "heterosexual child molesters"?
you are so pathetic, but I will say you play the victim like a fiddle.
Just your opinions. I don't feel like a victim. I'm explaining what I see as a problem. Homophobia is institutionalized in this country. It's almost in the marrow of people's bones seeped in like toxic lead.
I'm all for calling people out on their language and behavior, but I've yet to see a personal attack accomplish anything but venting. "I think what you wrote is racist and it offends me because..." is not the same as "You're a racist asshole!" Just my opinion.
Regarding the rat- I'm pretty much in favor of the RRP (Rodent Relocation Program), at least as a first pass. I had a mouse in the house last year that I had to catch a couple times, finally relocating a couple miles from my place. Of course, rats in the yard are more disconcerting.
That said, rats will eat very little of a novel substance at first, and if they get sick they'll never eat it again. That's why poisoning often doesn't work. The way to do it is to put out food for a week or two - cat food or peanut butter or something - then after they start eating it regularly slip in the poison. If that's what you're after.
I don't have the link to the article I read a few years ago about Saudis beheading gays and hanging their headless bodies on a pole. After all the beheadings that have happened since in Iraq, a Google search only nets those results. But we can safely assume two things:
1) Punishment for being a homosexual in Arab countries results in a beheading.
2) That their headless bodies (safely assuming they wouldn't sew their heads back on to display them) are place on a pole as a warning.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari, can we at least admit that gays are beheaded in Arab countries?
::::crickets::::
Probably the reason people have such a hard time understanding what I'm trying to explain is that, we're fags after-all, so what do you expect they would be beheaded. That's just their ancient and very important culture and we're just fags.
Anyway, I've kept the flaming down here and off another thread higher up. Think I'll peek in up there.
hadenough
That's nothing. It's just the No Deadsoldier Left Behind Act.
Remember the Texas miracle? High percentages of schoolkids were passing the tests simply because the administrators were encouraging the potential flunkers to quit school so they didn't get counted.
Get 'em on a plane in a hurry so they don't get counted as dead.
Hey Incog, went away to fix and eat some dinner. Came back, read the thread above, then came down here.
If you ever write a novel, let me know. I love your style.
http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/...o/gay/
world.htm
gay rights throughout the world.
When they were building the DC Metro right underneath NIH the same thing happened and they discovered some very weird varieties of rats - hybrids of the local feral variety and escaped lab rats.
flory
Whose idea was it to teach the rats to read anyway? Of course they escaped--it said 'lift latch to open' on each cage!
Of all the vices you list, celibacy is the only one I've not willingly indulged in...
rorschach
I ain't willing, either, trust me.
Celibacy sucks!
Incog:
Why are you so nasty to people here who are on YOUR side?
Everyone who disagrees with you is NOT homophobic.
I think forcing people to listen to rap music is torture.
Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.
Sallyh, you DO NOT want rats anywhere near where you live.
"Is not rat - is hamster."
"Manuel, hamsters are cute and cuddly. Cuddle that and you'll never play the guitar again!"
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