I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Fuck Bush and all who support him everywhere.
Wow, another "Have Fun" thread. And just when I was having so much fun in the other one!
Fuck Bush, and fuck him hard!
Do not taunt happy fun thread.
Is it Impeachment Summer yet?
DWD, thanks for the avatar needle dick.
I will do that, underwhelm.
By the way, anyone see this from Daily Kos:
In more than a dozen interviews, Republicans in their teens and 20s said, some have friends in the military in Iraq and are considering enlisting; others said they can better support the war by working politically in the United States; and still others said they think the military doesn't need them because the U.S. presence in Iraq is sufficient.
"Frankly, I want to be a politician. I'd like to survive to see that," said Vivian Lee, 17, a war supporter visiting the convention from Los Angeles.
Lee said she supports the war but would volunteer only if the United States faced a dire troop shortage or "if there's another Sept. 11."
"As long as there's a steady stream of volunteers, I don't see why I necessarily should volunteer," said Lee, who said she has a cousin deployed in the Middle East [...]
"I physically probably couldn't do a whole lot" in Iraq, said Tiffanee Hokel, 18, of Webster City, Iowa, who called the war a moral imperative. She knows people posted in Iraq, but she didn't flinch when asked why she wouldn't go.
"I think I could do more here," Hokel said, adding that she's focusing on political action that supports the war and the troops.
"We don't have to be there physically to fight it," she said.
Similarly, 20-year-old Jeff Shafer, a University of Pennsylvania student, said vital work needs to be done in the United States. There are Republican policies to maintain and protect and an economy to sustain, Shafer said.
Translation: Why should I fight and die when others can do it for me?
The Future of the GOP right here, folks.
Ah, new thread. So full of potential.
Life is good, no?
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The GOP has done wonders for the giant rationalization muscle on top of these idiots' necks.
Its happening right now. The birth of the 6 million dollar Vice President. Da Da dada Da dada. They think they can make him better, faster and stronger. I can picture him now, running through the fields of oil in some far off land, carrying a weapons of mass destruction detector on his newly enhanced shoulders. Makiing that weird telescoping sound when focusing his new eye on any evildoers that might cross his blessed path.
The Knight Ridder story that Kos quotes is from Sept., 2004. What's with that? We have to go back 10 months to find something that embarrasses the right?
The Future of the GOP right here, folks.
Same old, same old. They all have parents that can afford to send them to college and "conventions." Anybody who doesn't believe we have a classist society here has their head up their butts.
IT'S SATURDAY!!!! Yippeee! Open Thread. What's going on, Moonbats?
Same old, same old. They all have parents that can afford to send them to college and "conventions." Anybody who doesn't believe we have a classist society here has their head up their butts.
Seems the only people who don't believe we have a classist society are the, um, upper classes.
Hey oldwhitelady. I thought I had finished putting 64 backs on 64 quilt blocks, only to find I had six more to do. Shit.
bill sez:
I can picture him now, running through the fields
Great. Now I'm visualizing Dick Cheney surrounded by clover and dancing with Lynne. In slo-mo. And soft-focus.
Damn you, bill, damn you.
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Hey, Incog. See you are in an excellent mood again. Oh well. . . the more things change . . . .
Morning, rational people.
I see we're still in Iraq and Gitmo is still operating.
On the other hand, I also see that Italy wants to arrest some CIA agents for kidnapping/rendition.
Mixed news is better than all bad news.
The GOP has done wonders for the giant rationalization muscle on top of these idiots' necks.
underwhelm
Uh huh... and it started with "the Bush Rationalisation" that the Busheviks are all about spreading democracy and freedom and non-corrupt capitalist governments {but only in those countries where the government sits on top of large quantities of oil that is contractually obligated to be pumped to somebody besides the US and the government doesn't kowtow to Furious George when addressed.}
Public higher education has become a farking joke. The kids who go to Duke, Emory, Harvard, etc. get the juicy, high profile jobs, while the kids that go to state college get the leavings. I used to believe that it all evened out within five years, but that has changed.
Where's the outrage?
In the past week the Marine Inspector General said that the Marines in Iraq don't have sufficient guns, ammo or armor to protect themselves properly in that war!
General Myers of the JCS said that US troops in the war zones feel that the Bushboy regime isn't adequately supporting them with equipment and additional needed troops.
Meanwhile, our "ever vigilant" mass media leads with stories about Michael Jackson, the missing (white) girl in Aruba and the neverending tale of the run-away-bride!
Nice to know we have a "free press!"
Father of Global Warming Observations Passes Away:
For Release: June 22, 2005
Obituary Notice
Climate Science Pioneer: Charles David Keeling
Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UC San Diego
Charles David Keeling, the world's leading authority on atmospheric
greenhouse gas accumulation and climate science pioneer at Scripps
Institution of Oceanography, University of California, San Diego (UCSD),
died Monday, June 20, 2005, while at his Montana home, of a heart
attack. He was 77 years old. Keeling has been affiliated with Scripps
since 1956.
Keeling was the first to confirm the rise of atmospheric carbon dioxide
by very precise measurements that produced a data set now known widely
as the "Keeling curve." Prior to his investigations, it was unknown
whether the carbon dioxide released from the burning of fossil fuels and
other industrial activities would accumulate in the atmosphere instead
of being fully absorbed by the oceans and vegetated areas on land. He
became the first to determine definitively the fraction of carbon
dioxide from combustion that remains in the atmosphere. The Keeling
record of the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide measured at Mauna
Loa, Hawaii, and at other "pristine air" locations, represents what many
believe to be the most important time-series data set for the study of
global change.
"There are three occasions when dedication to scientific measurements
has changed all of science," said Charles F. Kennel, Scripps director.
"Tycho Brahe's observations of planets laid the foundation for Sir Isaac
Newton's theory of gravitation. Albert Michelson's measurements of the
speed of light laid the foundation for Albert Einstein's theory of
relativity. Charles David Keeling's measurements of the global
accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere set the stage for
today's profound concerns about climate change. They are the single most
important environmental data set taken in the 20th century. Dave Keeling
was living proof that a scientist could, by sticking close to his bench,
change the world. The loss is the world's loss, and the loss is also
Scripps's, but, most of all, it is his family's loss."
"Dave Keeling showed that atmospheric carbon dioxide amounts have grown
worldwide. His measurements were done with great accuracy, from 1957
until now," said Ralph Cicerone, recently elected president of the
National Academy of Sciences. "The extremely high quality of his
research was traceable to the amount of thought, integrity and care that
he invested in it. His results were well known, used and respected
around the world. During the early 1990s it was said that the only
scientific data on display in the White House was one of his graphs; I
think that this story was true."
Cheney says that the quagmire in a Iraq will soon be an enormous success like Afghanistan...
define success Dick?
DWD, thanks for the avatar needle dick.
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Anyone can find a million reasons not to enlist. These "Young Republicans" are the brightest beacons in our society (at least in their minds). Aren't we told that the "new" volunteer military depends more on "brains" than brawn? Why, then, are these super intellects withholding their services just at the time they're most needed?
While critical shortages in weapons, ammo and armor for US troops in the war zones have been noted for the past year and complained about, it's truly gratifying to see our pretend POTUS, Bushboy, continuing to run around the country selling his SS scam or trying to make his fiscally irresponsible tax cuts for the rich "permanent."
As far as the poor bastards Bushboy sent to Iraq and Afghanistan to "fight for freedom" and their needs for guns, ammo, armor and additional troops?
Bushboy, the depraved moron, couldn't care less!
so, what happens if the italians are able to arrest the spooks? watch this one.
Italy Orders Arrest of 13 CIA Operatives
Prosecutors accuse the Americans of taking part in a kidnapping: the 'extraordinary rendition' of a terrorism suspect to Egypt.
By Tracy Wilkinson
Times Staff Writer
June 25, 2005
MILAN, Italy — An Italian judge has ordered the arrest of a group of CIA operatives who investigators believe kidnapped a radical Egyptian imam from the streets of Milan and bundled him off to Cairo, where he said he was tortured.
As part of the inquiry, Italian police Thursday night raided the Italian home of an American man identified in arrest warrants as the former CIA station chief here and confiscated a computer, disks and documents, judicial sources said.
The warrants name 13 American operatives from a group of 19 men and women who authorities here believe pursued and then snatched Hassan Osama Nasr, a radical cleric better known as Abu Omar, nearly 2 1/2 years ago. Officials, who announced Friday that warrants had been issued, said none of the operatives were in Italy any longer and that no one was taken into custody.
The Abu Omar case appears to be an example of an "extraordinary rendition," a controversial practice employed by U.S. authorities against suspected terrorists with increasing frequency since the Sept. 11 attacks. U.S. counter-terrorism operatives seize and transport a suspect in one foreign country to another without seeking court permission. Human rights organizations say treatment of the suspect in the destination country can be brutal.
Italy is one of three European countries, along with Sweden and Germany, that are examining alleged renditions on their soil. It is rare for a country friendly to the United States to attempt to prosecute its secret agents.
The suspected agents were identified, with names and addresses, through cellular phone records and hotel and rental car receipts amassed from the weeks they were in Milan preparing and executing the operation, three officials said in interviews during the last several days.
"We will be asking for judicial assistance from both Egyptian and … U.S. authorities," Milan's top prosecutor, Manlio Claudio Minale, said in announcing the arrest orders.
Another leading prosecutor, Armando Spataro, opened the Italian investigation this year and sought and secured the arrest warrants. "I think it's nearly impossible to arrest anyone," Spataro said in an interview. "The important thing is to get to the truth."
He said he hoped to be able to ask for the extradition of the operatives and to take depositions from witnesses in the U.S.
It was not clear to what extent the U.S. operation was approved by the government of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, a staunch ally, Italian sources said. But the Italian judiciary frequently acts independently, and government approval of the operation would not necessarily have stopped prosecutors from pursuing the case.
The U.S. Embassy in Rome and the State Department declined to comment on the case Friday. Adam Ereli, a State Department spokesman, said the government would not comment in the future on any aspect of the case. The CIA has defended extraordinary renditions, saying it receives assurances from the destination countries that the suspects will be treated well.
Several U.S. officials said the case was extraordinarily sensitive, given Washington's close working relationship with Italy on many issues. One former U.S. intelligence official said that the prospect of Italy issuing arrest warrants had been discussed privately within the CIA for months, and that agency officials in Italy were told six months ago to clear out in anticipation of possible legal action.
A current U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Italian warrants would probably be considered valid by Europol, the European Union police agency, meaning that the operatives could be arrested anywhere on the continent.
"We have a very solid case," a senior Italian justice official said.
"I realize this won't change U.S. policy, but it will be embarrassing, at the least," said another Italian law enforcement official familiar with the case.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nati...-home-
headlines
Anyone can find a million reasons not to enlist. These "Young Republicans" are the brightest beacons in our society (at least in their minds). Aren't we told that the "new" volunteer military depends more on "brains" than brawn? Why, then, are these super intellects withholding their services just at the time they're most needed?
Takin' a long shot here, but--because they're pussies?
Holy Crap . . .
The Roanoke Times
Dick Cheney, meet reality.
The vice president's long-overdue introduction to reality came courtesy of Gen. John P. Abizaid's testimony Thursday before the Senate Armed Services Committee that directly contradicted Cheney's rosy assessment of an Iraq insurgency in its "last throes." Abizaid made it clear that the insurgency was every bit as strong as it was six months ago and that foreign fighters were still joining the battle. A few days before, Abizaid told the Houston Chronicle that the United States was in for an indefinite fight that would "cost in blood and treasure."
Cheney remained as resistant to such assessments as he was to giving any consideration prior to the war that his belief that U.S. troops would be greeted as liberators in Iraq might be wrong. "If you look at what the dictionary says about 'throes,' it can be a, you know, a violent period, the throes of a revolution," Cheney said on CNN after Abizaid's testimony.
As American confidence in President Bush's adventure in Iraq erodes, such persistent disdain for confronting reality will not offer much comfort.
Nor will the kind of partisan rhetoric exercised by White House adviser Karl Rove, who said the liberal response to the 9/11 attacks was to offer "therapy and understanding to our attackers," while conservatives "prepared for war."
Unfortunately, they mostly prepared for the wrong war. From the beginning, the real focus of the Bush administration was on Iraq, not Afghanistan, whose ruling Taliban had provided a safe harbor and training ground for al-Qaida.
Once the Taliban fell, resources were quickly diverted from the fight to wipe out al-Qaida and bring Osama bin Laden to justice to preparing for the invasion of Iraq - which had no connection to the terrorist attacks.
That invasion, according to a report by the CIA, turned Iraq into a training ground that will produce more proficient terrorists than Afghanistan. The report says that Iraqi and foreign fighters are developing a broad range of skills in Iraq's urban environments. Once the insurgency is over, the CIA fears the terrorists will disperse and take those skills around the globe.
Calls for Rove to apologize for his remarks miss the broader point. Though his comments inexcusably ignored the shared outrage and national unity that marked the months after 9/11, the real apology should come from Cheney, President Bush and the other architects of the disastrous Iraq war.
Now, I'm in Roanoke regularly, most recently last Saturday. A Liberal in Roanoke is someone who still calls 'em "French Fries."
If Bush has lost Roanoke, his goose is well and truly cooked.
Seen Any trolls or troll feeding going on tonight?
Remember, don't feed the trolls.
NYTs editorial:
"If the war is going according to plan, someone needs to rethink the plan."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/2....html?th&
emc=th
The Knight Ridder story that Kos quotes is from Sept., 2004. What's with that? We have to go back 10 months to find something that embarrasses the right?
Heraldblog
No, we could talk about how the Bushevik clan is starting to backpedal and spin like a pinwheel in a hurricane over Rove's statement.
Or would you prefer to discuss the voyeuristic sadism apparent in our trolls and radical right bloggers that seem to get a stiffy reading stories of torture? Our trolls seem to think that folks that are emotionally repulsed by stories of torture are wussies, when the DSM {not the Downing Street Memo} makes it clear that our trolls are sexually and mentally depraved and we're morally and sexually healthy.
QL, Do not even get me started on the college thing. This situation is a national disgrace. I feel sorry for myself sometimes, then I listen.
Two of my son's friends: Lindsay and Corey come to mind. Both students - Lindsay the girl and Corey the boy are extraordinary. Both graduated from high school with GPAs over 4. (Achieved by taking mostly Advanced Placement classes) Both were in the top five in the class. Both sets of parents have pretty lousey jobs. Lindsay's parents are: a technician for the schools ( maybe 30K a year) and a secretary for the schools (20K) a factory supervisor (40K) and unemployed (0K) Neither of these students receive ANY scholarship money whatsoever. Linday will graduate this spring with a CGPA of 4.0 in accounting and Corey has been admitted to the pre-med honor's program that separates the students into a special group that will finish medical school is 6 years I believe.
That is simply obscene. These parents are literally going broke paying for their kids.
I leave for a second and I have a book to read. Wow. Sorry about the image Spork. Actually didn't see that one coming. Of course I now owe the burned in offense in my head to you.
NYTs editorial:
"If the war is going according to plan, someone needs to rethink the plan."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/2....html?th&
emc=th
hadenough
Perhaps providing Judith Miller and Bobo pink slips would be a first part of this rethinking, since these two were major contributors to the original plan.
Buenos dias, Eschatonistas.
Just caught a replay of the Tom Cruise interview w/Matty Lauer.
One could shove both of these gentlemen's brains up a gnat's ass and said brains would roll around like so many BB's in a boxcar.
I loved one of the expert psychologist's comments on Cruise -
"He's not an MD, or a PhD, he's an SAE, a "Self-Appointed Expert".
These parents are literally going broke paying for their kids.
I tired of fighting with my school and the government asking for my parents' tax information. They barely supported me when I lived with them! I dropped out and started up again when I was old enough to be considered independent.
(Un)fortunately, I was in a much more flexible situation than many people find themselves in at my age.
Bushboy, demented, destructive and deceitful.
Who else would lie to promote a war for oil and vengeance but a sociopath with a deep insecurity about his own manhood?
Who else would issue trillions $$$ in tax cuts to the richest among us, while cutting back on help to the neediest among us?
Who else would send young kids to war without sufficient support or equipment and disregard all complaints about it as he tries to sell an SS scam to scuttle the future retirements of young workers?
Why is someone as depraved and demented and incompetent as Bushboy in the WH?
I blame the mass media for glossing over and making excuses for his glaring criminal and sociopathic background!!!
DESCHOOLING SOCIETY by IVAN ILLICH
Sorry about the image Spork. Actually didn't see that one coming. Of course I now owe the burned in offense in my head to you.
bill | 06.25.05 - 8:40 am
I have another image.
I am waiting in a long line with a water jug. There is a yellow stream flowing past me on the right. At the top of the small hill is a gravesite for our beloved former VP.
Why is someone as depraved and demented and incompetent as Bushboy in the WH?
Rudy,
The thought is not new, but as time goes by, it becomes more obvious that the chimperor is a front man chosen for his "personal appeal" exactly as Reagan was.
I am waiting in a long line with a water jug. There is a yellow stream flowing past me on the right. At the top of the small hill is a gravesite for our beloved former VP.
Hope there's a marker up there for Junior as well--but if that were the case, the yellow stream would be more like a river.
Takin' a long shot here, but--because they're pussies?
Big Daddy Mars | 06.25.05 - 8:36 am | #
Right. Who woulda guessed.
Darth Cheney will never die. They would just put him on a feeding tube forever.
Of course I now owe the burned in offense in my head to you.
I live to serve. 
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I am waiting in a long line with a water jug. There is a yellow stream flowing past me on the right. At the top of the small hill is a gravesite for our beloved former VP.
Gimlet
And I thought that yellow stream was coming from all the supporters of the war when they get asked why they aren't in Iraq?
And from Furious George hisself on 9/11 as he jetted around trying to stay one step ahead of the terra-ists.
We know that Bushboy lacks "gravity"
He "looks for missing WMDs" for levity
And as thousands die
in a war about a lie
It's clear that: Bushboy = depravity!
Hey oldwhitelady. I thought I had finished putting 64 backs on 64 quilt blocks, only to find I had six more to do. Shit.
QL in NY | 06.25.05 - 8:29 am | #
...and you're, instead, commenting on Eschaton?
Tom - Daai Tou Laam,
"Perhaps providing Judith Miller and Bobo pink slips would be a first part of this rethinking, since these two were major contributors to the original plan."
Yup. And sanger and bumiller and...
What's the deal with Haloscan? You have to comment twice to get it to post the comment once?
And I thought that yellow stream was coming from all the supporters of the war when they get asked why they aren't in Iraq?
Tom - Daai Tou Laam | Homepage | 06.25.05 - 8:48 am
That would be the line of yellow elephants when the GOP political circus comes to a location near you.
the idiocy of the average has allowed the rich and law makers to ruin any kind of help up the ladder that was in place since the new deal.
the only solution is to revolt - change will never come - humans will always be driven by greed!
Cheney says that the quagmire in a Iraq will soon be an enormous success like Afghanistan...
define success Dick?
pothole | 06.25.05 - 8:33 am | #
Prospering poppy crops.. I guess that defines a success? Hey, does anyone remember when we were giving Afghanistan major bucks to fight the drug growing industry? Then we bombed them because of Osama, now they are growing these major crops? Is that what we meant to happen?
Takin' a long shot here, but--because they're pussies?
Big Daddy Mars
Ya think?
mogwai, I think you are correct, though I would like to see a series of good, in depth articles in our media explaining what is happening.
The two kids - Lindsay and Corey are so exceptional they should have had to turn down Ivy League schools with full rides. Instead their parents are suffering sending them to state school. Not right.
Prospering poppy crops.. I guess that defines a success? Hey, does anyone remember when we were giving Afghanistan major bucks to fight the drug growing industry? Then we bombed them because of Osama, now they are growing these major crops? Is that what we meant to happen?
oldwhitelady
I think right after the invasion of Iraq, Cheney or Rumsfeld went to Afghanistan and said it would be a success like Colombia.
I almost fell out of my seat.
what did i miss while i was in dreamland?
I appear to have missed it, but what is the right-wing spin on the DSM?
Are they claiming it's "old news"? That does nothing to deflect the war crime, and "he lied" meme.
The Iranians chose a wacko fundamentalist to lead their country.
I guess they're following our example.
Gimlet, the thing is with a story like this: it needs constant new information or a general outcry. We are not going to get any more of a general outcry, so we have to hope for new information.
Ooops. I got my timing on the Colombia story wrong, but I found my bookmark.
Rumsfeld wants Afghanistan to be more like Colombia Aug 12, 2004
I think the Party Line quickly changed to use El Salvador instead of Colombia after this.
Check this Guardian article from today and remember this paramilitary is backed {covertly, wink wink} by the US military {even though he's wanted by the US DEA, wink wink}.
The Iranians chose a wacko fundamentalist to lead their country.
I guess they're following our example.
Lime Rickey
And I'm certain Bushco is sitting back, collectively smiling at the excuse for our next excellent adventure.
n69n asks:
what did i miss while i was in dreamland?
The United States established a global Utopia.
Or something.
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...and you're, instead, commenting on Eschaton?
oldwhitelady
hah! finished those fuckers. Yeah, I have to take frequent breaks for my back isn't worth shit.
The Iranians chose a wacko fundamentalist to lead their country.
I guess they're following our example.
Lime Rickey
One wonders how in the hell so many of these fundemented bastards are in such postions of power.
What gives?
And I'm certain Bushco is sitting back, collectively smiling at the excuse for our next excellent adventure.
Diane | Homepage | 06.25.05 - 9:09 am | #
We'll need more "Young Republicans" to spearhead the attack.
New tests have confirmed that a Texas animal federal officials earlier declared to be free of mad cow disease did have the brain-wasting ailment, the U.S. Agriculture Department announced yesterday.
Ann Coulter in Texas?
We'll need more "Young Republicans" to spearhead the attack.
Lime Rickey
Reminds me of one of the trolls the other day that, when asked why he hadn't shipped out to Iraq, replied that he had a high-level, expensive education, thank you very much, and he had no intention of serving as that was the lower class folks' duty.
See, he was going to stay here with his expensive education and work on being the Rumsfeld, Cheney, or Rove of the future.
I believe Big Daddy called them pussies. That is a good list of them right there.
"I appear to have missed it, but what is the right-wing spin on the DSM?"
--Gimlet
They have perfected the art of "ignore or change the subject" until it goes away. The attention span of the vast majority of Americans allows it.
Editorial from the Roanoke Times covers more in less space than the big papers could ever do. Roanoke Times could be a liberal whacko paper, I don't know. They put together and ed. even a wing-nut could understand:
Dick Cheney should confront reality
Gen. Abizaid's testimony confirmed the Iraq insurgency is far from its 'last throes.' Still, the vice president shows persistent disdain for that truth.
http://www.roanoke.com/editorial...ls%
5C26107.html
"Mornin', Ralph..."
Mornin, Moonbats
Iraq is Arabic for VietNam
if cheney kicks the bucket, its coz libruls asked ed klein hard kweschins.
if cheney kicks the bucket, its coz libruls asked ed klein hard kweschins.
If Cheney kicks the bucket, I blame the chicken-fried steak.
Morning Moonbats -
Who is expecting Dick Yourself to get with the truth? Cheney is the one who still goes around hooking Saddam to 9/11.
He isn't about to start telling the truth about Iraq now.
If Cheney kicks the bucket, I blame the chicken-fried steak.
I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around but couldn't he just kick the bucket?
Vice-president Dennis Hastert!
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I really dislike myself for thinking I would break out the champagne if Cheney kicked the bucket. This is the bottle I bought to celebrate the last election that never got opened.
Maybe I should see a skyiatrist?
They have perfected the art of "ignore or change the subject" until it goes away. The attention span of the vast majority of Americans allows it.
mer
We'll get back to the Downing Street Memo in a bit, but a slowly roasting Rove is cooking in Washington right now.
Backpedalling and spinning like a pinwheel in a hurricane. Liar Scottie and Kenny Boy 2 Mehlmann and "Wording My Slurs" DeLay can start spinning about their blowup dolls that look Jimmy/Jeff they've nicknamed MoveOn and Michael Moore, but Unka Karl's statement is still outrageous and demonstrably false.
It's time for Unka Karl and Liar Scottie and Kenny Boy 2 and "Wording My Slurs" to apologise to America for lying about liberals, lying about the real Michael Moore and MoveOn.org and most of all lying to move the country illegally in to a war and occupation of Iraq.
And all of them should submit their resignations Monday morning to the American people for failing to protect the 1700+ US Soldiers that have died in Iraq and 10-30 thousand Americans that have been maimed due to their lies and incompetence.
If Cheney kicks the bucket, I blame the chicken-fried steak.
Big Daddy Mars =9:27 am ?
if cheney kicks the bucket, i will buy chicken-fried steak for the house...
Morning Tena, you're up early.
Reminds me of one of the trolls the other day that, when asked why he hadn't shipped out to Iraq, replied that he had a high-level, expensive education, thank you very much, and he had no intention of serving as that was the lower class folks' duty.
Right. Until the lower classes fail to show up in sufficient numbers. Then they resort to the draft. Which will also be confined to the lower classes.
"Mornin', Sam.
Damn good read, Woodman.
Winning the hearts and minds of the Eye-rackis is a pitiful joke, as the following attests:
For each of the 1,600 US soldiers killed since Bush declared "significant combat operations" at an end more than two years ago, some 20 Iraqis are estimated to have died.
The dipshits in the Bush Regime are too arrogantly stupid to figure out that there ain't no way, no how that the US will ever be accepted in any freaking Arab country as occupiers.
He isn't about to start telling the truth about Iraq now.
No death-bed confessions, either. Not that one.
if cheney kicks the bucket, i will buy chicken-fried steak for the house...
I got the scotch. And the herb.
Vice-president Dennis Hastert!
For a while at least.
Maybe this is the lead in to getting Big Dick to step down so the GOP can put in someone who'll keep the Junta running. Ain't no way Big Dick can be Prez (except the way he's doing it now), and the GOP is realizing that right now all they got ready to run in '08 are a bunch of fuckin' clowns who are gonna spend more times fighting amongst theirselves than fighting the Dems.
Lets see . . . well, Jeb is fucking up Florida, so he'd be perfect for Chimpy's VP! Or . . . this is where Condi makes her big play. What better way to make those "Condi/08" dreams come true.
If Cheney kicks the bucket, I blame the chicken-fried steak.
Another reason to love chicken-fried steak!
More gravy please!
If Cheney shuffles off this mortal coil, I'll make chicken fried steak for everyone in the whole damn country.
Course, Bush would probably nominate someone like Bolton to take his place - but it might be fun to see if Congress rejected Bush's VP nominee.
Tom sez:
Michael Moore
You do know that Michael Moore is fat, right?
So he has no credibility.
.
if Cheney croaks he should be buried in an unmarked paupers grave ) I wonder how many people would spit on it?
if cheney kicks the bucket, i will buy chicken-fried steak for the house...
Hell, man, I'll bring my Weber and grill them myself.
Could we make it chicken strips, instead? The mad cow thing worries me a bit.
Right. Until the lower classes fail to show up in sufficient numbers. Then they resort to the draft. Which will also be confined to the lower classes.
Lime Rickey
I think this is what is turning it around. All of a sudden middle class kids and parents are realizing that there aren't enough troops and perhaps feeling a leeetle guilty that Johnny isn't enlisting and fighting this war that they supported. When they turn it will be a hard left since they have been conditioned that it is all or nothing. The pukes really shot themselves in the foot with this "either you're for us or against us" bullshit.
Big Daddy - Condi would probably get the nod, now that you mention it.
But no one could be any worse than Cheney, who I think is responsible for 9/11 - though I don't run around saying that anyplace but here.
BDM, chicken fried steak is deep fried, I think. Northerner here so Southern impaired.
But the thought is a good one.
Lets see . . . well, Jeb is fucking up Florida, so he'd be perfect for Chimpy's VP!
Mind reader! I was wondering this morning what would happen if georgie picked Jebbie.
Then they resort to the draft. Which will also be confined to the lower classes.
Lime Rickey
Perversely, I almost want to see the draft re-enacted. That would bring the repukes down so quickly that they wouldn't know what hit them.
I keed, I keed!!!!!
I have a 15 year old son and a 23 year old daughter. No way in hell do I want a reinstatement of the draft.
The Iranians chose a wacko fundamentalist to lead their country.
I guess they're following our example.
Lime Rickey
One wonders how in the hell so many of these fundemented bastards are in such postions of power.
What gives?
Dang, maybe something like THIS:
The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Roanoke Times could be a liberal whacko paper, I don't know.
hadenough
I'm pretty sure the Roanoke Times came out in favor of invading Iraq.
I really dislike myself for thinking I would break out the champagne if Cheney kicked the bucket. This is the bottle I bought to celebrate the last election that never got opened.
By the way, Mangalingaskanky is upset 'cause us mean 'ol libruls are wishing the worst for VP Big Dick. As she said:
"I wouldn't have linked directly to the HuffPuffers, but after glancing at the cesspool in the comments section, I figured you'd be interested."
Of course, she say Rove was right in his statements the other day, so like, fuck her and intern her ass somewhere.
"Denny's" had (has?) "steak-fried steak" on the menu.
WTF?
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Morning, QL - yah, it's early here. The wind and the rain and the cat trying to dig his way under the covers woke me up.
I keep my windows wide open at night here and it's coooold this morning. And I do go to sleep really early up here.
BDM, chicken fried steak is deep fried, I think. Northerner here so Southern impaired.
But the thought is a good one.
Not a problem. I'll bring my Weber Wok, fill it with pennut oil and get the party started.
Deep fried Big Dick Heart Attack CFS coming right up!
Our morning news readers here in Colorado said that Dick Cheney was at the Steadman Hawkins clinic in Vail (you know, the same one Kobe Bryant went to when he ...) to have a medical procedure done for an "old football injury."
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Good morning, moonbats!
Just bought White Stripes tickets AND threw some money to impeachbush.org (for a cap plus a contribution).
A good morning, indeed.
Listened to the Franken/Conason beatdown of Klein last night. I have never heard Conason so angry. I think he was as enraged by Klein's offenses against journalism as by his offenses against the Clintons. It was obvious by the end that Klein just engaged a clipping service to send him every stale discredited antiClinton story of the last 15 years and repackaged them, with nary a change, even in wording.
The growing shoddiness of our public discourse continues apace.
(Not that you all didn't know that, I just like an excuse to use words like "apace".)
Can a president pick his VP? I thought it was a given that Hasbert would become VP.
But if Cheney resigns because of health reasons...I don't know the procedure.
But no one could be any worse than Cheney, who I think is responsible for 9/11 - though I don't run around saying that anyplace but here.
Tena =- 9:38 am
Cheney's portfolio is and was 'intelligence.' (You do not think they'd have put that brief in the hands of the drooling fool, do ya?) He knew everything about the impending attacks of 8/11 except possibly the date and flight numbers...and i do not refrain from saying so.
Imho, the reason that vonRumsfeldt has been kept around so long is that he's Cheney's heir apparent, puppet-master designate...
Bush didn't choose Cheney as VP; Cheney and the PNAC/theofascist/Zionist axis chose Bush, probably in about 1996...
just sayin'
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This is the cute thing that Maglagulag and the Rightwing bloggers have been doing - taking comments out of threads.
That's how they come up with the shit they post that we've said - not posts that are published to the web, but comments.
This really sucks, in case y'all haven't thought about it - they are trying to get us to self-censor.
But if Cheney resigns because of health reasons...I don't know the procedure.
mer - 9:45 am
when Agnew was forced to resign asw Nixon's vp, Nixon chose Ford...
just sayin'
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BDM, chicken fried steak is deep fried, I think. Northerner here so Southern impaired.
Pan fried, DWD. The best are veal cutlets that are breaded and pan-fried.
Which is the same way that my better half cooks pork chops. One of several, that is.
Both above are best served with white gravy made with the pan drippings.
Maglagulag and the Rightwing bloggers
priceless, tena... ah LUVS 'Maglagulag'!
Can a president pick his VP? I thought it was a given that Hasbert would become VP.
The Speaker becomes the "acting" VP in the instance the VP dies or resigns. The President--if alive--then can pick his VP and Congress approves or disaproves the pick. Nixon did that with Ford, and Ford did the same think with Rockefella.
All right, Big Daddy Mars!
Deep-fried side of beef!
A wheelbarrow full of cream gravy!
The patio piled high with mashed potato!
Death, where is thy sting?
The procedure for a new VP can be found in the ratified 25th Amendment. The prez nominates his choice, Congress confirms.
Ford was the first appointment under the newly ratified 25th A.
they are trying to get us to self-censor.
And we're trying to get her to shut her racist yap.
Of course, she say Rove was right in his statements the other day, so like, fuck her and intern her ass somewhere.
Big Daddy Mars
So is there a convenient list of the newspapers that syndicate her column and contact names, numbers, email addresses for said publishers of Ma-ding-a-ling's dreck?
WGG and Ford was a compromise candidate if I remember correctly. It was believed they needed someone squeaky clean and not too bright: Ford fit the bill admirably.
I believe that the President can choose whomever he wants. With a Republican dominated congress and courts: I would say this is a given.
Whomever he chooses (if it should come to that) will be the choice of whomever chose the Chimp in the first place. Should be interesting. My guess is someone without much of a track record and well-known on the national stage - but someone whom they can control.
Can a president pick his VP?
Googled and got this:
"The 25th Amendment to the Constitution, never before used, allowed the president to appoint a new vice president in the event of death or resignation."
This is the cute thing that Maglagulag and the Rightwing bloggers have been doing - taking comments out of threads.
That's how they come up with the shit they post that we've said - not posts that are published to the web, but comments.
This really sucks, in case y'all haven't thought about it - they are trying to get us to self-censor.
Trying, of course, is the operative word. That bitch Maglagulag (love that name) can suck it; as long as her "friends" talk all the shit they want, so will I.
Hey, maybe I'll see this point on her site!
Gravy?
No, I'm tryin' to quit.
And we're trying to get her to shut her racist yap.
pie
You go, girl.
The Speaker becomes the "acting" VP in the instance the VP dies or resigns.
Big Daddy Mars
Sorry, BDM, not true. No one can serve in two branches of government simultaneously.
The VP seat is vacant until the President appoints someone. No confirmation required.
The Speaker only gets his greasy hands on the Gavel if the President appoints him, or dies while the VP chair is empty.
Hey, maybe I'll see this point on her site!
I mean "POST" damnit!
I "published" instead of "previewing" - oops.
Amendment XXV
Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Confirmation is required.
Oh, I so love the name "Maglagulag."
That it would become common usage, and end up with a Wikipedia entry explaining its origins...
Sorry, BDM, not true. No one can serve in two branches of government simultaneously.
Correct. My mistake. The Speaker is considered the next in line, but to be able to do the deed he has to resign as the Speaker.
Damn, I should have known this from the time John Goodman became President on "The West Wing."
Tom - Daai Tou Laam - The Dallas paper sometimes runs Maglagulag's columns.
Every single time that they do (when I'm in town) I write and tell them I don't want to see that racist shit in my newspaper.
I have been waging a one-woman campaign to get Maglagulag's shit out of the public discourse. Her ravings have no place there.
Please feel free to join me - I'd love to have more than one person harrassing the Dallas Morning News when they print Little Eva Braun's bullshit
Damn, I should have known this from the time John Goodman became President on "The West Wing."
Big Daddy Mars
That "walking down the hallway" scene was wonderful.
Goodman has made some wonderful entrances in his career, largely thanks to the Coen brothers
Here is a little more on Agnew's resignation:
Secret Service agents had been guarding Carl Albert, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, since the resignation of Vice President Spiro Agnew. Albert was the next in line for the presidency in the absence of a sitting vice president. Agnew resigned in October; it took until December to swear in a new vice president.
The 25th Amendment to the Constitution, never before used, allowed the president to appoint a new vice president in the event of death or resignation. When Agnew left office, Richard Nixon had five candidates in mind: Elliot Richardson, former treasury secretary John Connally, former California governor Ronald Reagan, New York governor Nelson Rockefeller, and Michigan congressman and House minority leader Gerald R. Ford. Because of his role in Agnew’s prosecution, Richardson asked the president to take his name off the list.
On October 12, two days after Agnew left office, Nixon asked Ford to take the vice presidency. Because the president wanted Connally to run for the presidency at the end of Nixon’s second term, he secured Ford’s agreement to support Connally in 1976. Ford, a 25-year veteran of Congress, was already planning to retire in 1977. He was confirmed by both houses of Congress, and in December, he was sworn in as Nixon’s vice president.
All of this talk of deep-fried beef and chicken-fried steak and steak-fried chicken and vats of cream gravy and mountains of mashed potatoes is making my manly tummy rock-hard, throbbing, and proudly erect.
From another dream: The Press Conference
Mr. President America's youth idolize you and the VP. When they consider both yours and the VP's service record for the Vietnam years they see no reason to put themselves in harm's way in a combat zone.
They also see how foolish Sen. Kerry was to risk life and limb and be trashed for it later along with Sen. McCain who according to your campaign suffered a nervous breakdown as a POW and never fully recovered.
What do you say to America's youth to get them to enlist?
"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks, and prepared for war," said Karl Rove. " Liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks, and wanted to prepare [legal] indictments and offer [psychological] therapy and understanding to our attackers."
Turd Blossom
When Karl Rove is angering about 50% segment of the population that the administration wants to sacrifice life and limb for them aren't you undermining your own cause?
Uhhh. Who are these men in suits that are moving me toward the exit? Mr. President? Mr President...
(Not that you all didn't know that, I just like an excuse to use words like "apace".)
Methinks in this instance it was apropos.
(Not that that really needed a response, I just wanted an excuse to use the word "methinks.")
Please feel free to join me - I'd love to have more than one person harrassing the Dallas Morning News when they print Little Eva Braun's bullshit
Tena
Well one paper is a start, but I was thinking across the board total warfare, wingnut-style work.
25th amendment:
Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
So he does have to be confirmed by Congress.
Mr. President America's youth idolize you and the VP. When they consider both yours and the VP's service record for the Vietnam years they see no reason to put themselves in harm's way in a combat zone.
They also see how foolish Sen. Kerry was to risk life and limb and be trashed for it later along with Sen. McCain who according to your campaign suffered a nervous breakdown as a POW and never fully recovered.
What do you say to America's youth to get them to enlist?
Jeezis, Gimlet!
What a GREAT fuckin question...
All of this talk of deep-fried beef and chicken-fried steak and steak-fried chicken and vats of cream gravy and mountains of mashed potatoes is making my manly tummy rock-hard, throbbing, and proudly erect.
Chickensteakfriedsteakchickensteak does that to me as well.
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That "walking down the hallway" scene was wonderful.
That was a great scene. I remember watching that and going, "No! John Goodman's gonna be President??" Big ass surprise. Sort of like Billy Bob Thorton being the head of NASA . . . oh, wait.
jeezuz boy hearts rum:
http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=590
Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
So he does have to be confirmed by Congress.
I remember Rockefeller going through the same stuff, but it was pretty much rubber stampped from the git-go.
chris/tx - yes - like I said. After the 25th Amendment was ratified, that became the procedure - prez nominates, Congress confirms - just like any other cabinet positions.
The Dallas News does this thing on Saturdays on the editorial page called: "Hits and Misses." Here's one from today - I hope Hutchison sees it:
ISS: Cool it, Karl
Here's what Karl Rove said to the Conservative Party of New York state: "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." Here's what we say: "Karl Rove saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and exploited it for political gain."
I'd like to see him appoint his father.
Daddy Bush's new friend Bill could show up for White House dinners, with Hillary, too!
I see Haloscan is still up to eating posts.
What I wanted to say:
About Cheney:
I suspect he is having his defibrillator replaced. Guidant, a company that makes those implants, has had a whole rash of defects surface among the 40,000 already in use, so the company has had to do the medical device equivalent of a recall.
And then George Bush cupped my balls...
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...and said "cough."
Here's what we say: "Karl Rove saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and exploited it for political gain."
Tena
Wow! Roanoake and Dallas in one thread. When Red States Go Bad!
Well one paper is a start, but I was thinking across the board total warfare, wingnut-style work.
Got a few here for ya:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Miami Herald, The Washington Times, The Houston Chronicle and The New York Post.
And work out from there.
He's holding a pen Bob Dole style.
Who here loathes Rove?
When Red States Go Bad!
"Coming Soon to FOX TV."
Who here loathes Rove?
I think he's the best!
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Who here loathes Rove?
Whenever I think of Rove, I have a vision of a fattened pig with an apple in its mouth on a spit, being cooked rotisserie style over a campfire with all of us in a circle around the fire holding hands singing kumbaya.
Needed: One BIG Car-Bomb
The Young America's Foundation, in case you didn't know, is a bastion of awesomeness. They're doing a field training seminar here - it's still going on, but I thought I should slip out to get some ink on it.
First, here's the "Freedom's Source" document that comes in the hardcover folder they give everyone. (did you even know folders can come in hardcover?) The text:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given
us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given
us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who
has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given
us the right to a fair trial.
It is the soldier, who salutes the flag... who serves
under the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the
flag... who allows the protester to burn the flag.
Were it not for the brave... there would be no
land of the free."
Author Unknown
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Mutherfockers!
why aren't the halls crowded with Marine and Army Recruiters?
Sheets? Sheets!
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some Conservatives
Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser under Presidents Gerald Ford and George Bush Sr., said “Don’t attack Saddam. An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counter terrorist campaign we have undertaken.”
President Bush’s former bitch-boy, David Frum,
“They have made common cause with the left-wing and Islamist antiwar movements in this country and in Europe. They deny and excuse terror. They espouse a potentially self-fulfilling defeatism. They publicize wild conspiracy theories. And some of them explicitly yearn for the victory of their nation’s enemies.”
emphasis mine in scowcrofts remarks, even tho it's really kind of obvious to a thinking person.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Miami Herald, The Washington Times, The Houston Chronicle and The New York Post.
And work out from there.
Big Daddy Mars
Thanks. This information has been recorded on a static page.
If people have contact information for editors or advertising managers for these papers, I'll be happy to add it to my list.
Once the list becomes a useable resource, I'll post up a link.
Cheney's obviously not getting enough oxygen to his brain.
The American vice-president, Dick Cheney, provoked fresh uproar over Guantánamo Bay yesterday after he claimed that prisoners held by the US there were "living in the tropics" and had been given everything they could possibly want.
His comments, the latest attempt by leading Republicans to portray the prison at the US base in Cuba as something of a holiday camp, came as evidence emerged that military doctors have helped interrogators by advising them how to increase stress levels and exploit the fears of the detainees.
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In an interview with CNN, however, Mr Cheney insisted: "They got a brand new facility down at Guantánamo. We spent a lot of money to build it. They're very well treated there. They're living in the tropics. They're well fed. They've got everything they could possibility want." He added: "There isn't any other nation in the world that would treat people who were determined to kill Americans the way we're treating these people."
I think he's lost it.
I think he's lost it.
pie
At least we know what Fidel will mockingly say the next time Furious George or any Bushevik whines in Miami about Cuba.
Christ.
But in new revelations that raise serious medical ethics issues, both the New York Times and the New England Journal of Medicine describe how doctors helped interrogators to increase the psychological pressure on the detainees in the hope of making them more cooperative and willing to provide information.
The statement said that doctors advising interrogators were not breaking any rules because they were not treating patients but acting as behavioural scientists.
*Behavioural scientists*. Unbelievable.
At least we know what Fidel will mockingly say the next time Furious George or any Bushevik whines in Miami about Cuba.
We're living in the tropics, baby.
...doctors advising interrogators were not breaking any rules because they were not treating patients but acting as behavioural scientists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Sta...ison_experiment
pie - the fucking AMA should be ashamed. They should jerk those doctors' licenses. About the next time a doctor gets all up in my face over medical malpractice, (and it happens frequently) I'm going to let loose with both barrels.
The ABA has joined AI and other rights' groups in suing the Junta over the treatment of prisoners. The fucking AMA is making excuses for every Doctor Mengele who has a license.
The fucking AMA is making excuses for every Doctor Mengele who has a license.
Yes, another parallel.
Morning, Moonbats! Dick was in hospital? So close, so close, and yet so faaaaaaaar awaaaaaaay.
Morning, Hecate - I love your pentacle - it's one of the few avatars that looks like something other than a black box.
Tena:
I just linked to your homepage. perhaps you can tell me: I work for GE, and they block "First Draft."
Other blogs, like this one, I can get to.
Any notion as to why?
They used to block Oliver Willis, but don't anymore.
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And sorry to ask a newbie question, but how may I use an avatar?
Uncle Smokes: First you find one you like, but apparently it has to measure 80x80 pixels. Save it to your computer, then go to gravatar.com, sign up with your E-mail address (the same one you'd put in the E-mail field here, although they no longer show up), and upload your gravatar. They'll have people look at it and give it a rating (apparently some sites block more "adult" gravatars) and, if all goes well, soon your approved gravatar will show up with your comments here. (If you've put that same E-mail mentioned above in the E-mail field.)
I know a lot of people hate 'em and I hope that most browsers have the ability to block them for anyone who does hate them. But I rather like seeing them at the top of a long comment -- gives me a clue, before scrolling down, as to who wrote the comment.
Silleigh: Thank you, you're most kind!
Uncle Smokes - I don't know why it is blocked. We don't use the Blogger program and we have been hacked twice and have had to reconfigure our security.
That may be why, but I don't know that for sure.
You can email the blog and perhaps Athenae or Mr. Athenae, our tech guru, can tell you why your are blocked and what to do about it.
Sorry I can't be more help - I'm technically a moron.
Dun' mention it. If you happen on any good gravatar sites, do share. I found some good ones yesterday, but most of the gravatars are 100x100. I'm trying to talk my daughter into designing one for me. (Never thought the Get Firefox logo could be so unrecognizably small.)
Thanks, Tena.
I was asking mainly from a content angle.
Perhaps some posts criticizing GE, Jack Welch, or Jeff Immelt?
I imagine the scenario like this:
1) Right-winger monitors GE net traffic: "I don't like this Oliver Willis fellow---block him!"
2) Progressive also monitors GE net traffic: "Oh no you don't!"
Little democratic uprisings in the private tyranny of a vast corporation.
Uncle Smokes - I don't think there's anything specific to GE that would cause the co. to block the site - but hell, what do I know about what the HR people at GE are thinking?
http://www.democrats.com/peoples...emailnetwork/
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