When I first saw that poll, I had to laugh. I couldn't believe anyone could consider blaming Hussein for "provoking the war." But I guess it goes hand-in-hand with people thinking he had something to do with 9/11.
mer |
06.25.05 - 2:26 pm | #
What's stunning is that anyone at all thinks that Saddam provoked the war and Bush didn't.
jeez louise, you've got Faux-watching yahoos out there who're convinced Saddam was flying all four planes personally on 9/11.
Pere Ubu |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 2:32 pm | #
As The Worm Turns...
NTodd |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 2:32 pm | #
Does that mean the wrong guy is going to trial just before the mid-term Congressional elections?
Davis X. Machina
We can try more than one at a time...
Where Angels Fear To Thread |
06.25.05 - 2:32 pm | #
Wait a minute, I thought we went to war because Bill Clinton stole the w's from the White House keyboards...
Ripley |
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06.25.05 - 2:33 pm | #
I've always been blaming Bush for the he started in April, 2003.
Darryl Pearce |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 2:34 pm | #
We can try more than one at a time...
There's a whole group of people here in the US could give Saddam a little company. No time like now, I say!
Big Daddy Mars |
06.25.05 - 2:34 pm | #
I've said it before, but it behooves
repeating:
As a New Yorker, the lower Bush's
poll numbers get the more I get
nervous about something going
kaboom real loudly.
Short of another major terrorist
attack,
what has Bush got to turn things
around?
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 2:35 pm | #
As a New Yorker, the lower Bush's
poll numbers get the more I get
nervous about something going
kaboom real loudly.
As an ex-New Yorker (well, Long Island actually) you're not alone in that feeling.
Pere Ubu |
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06.25.05 - 2:36 pm | #
Short of another major terrorist
attack,
what has Bush got to turn things
around?
Well, steve, if America would just sit down and have a beer with him... errr.. nothin...
Ripley |
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06.25.05 - 2:37 pm | #
Listen to Wolcott: . . . there's no "Michael Moore Left" except as a figment of the right's imagination. Ditto the "famous 'Unholy Alliance,'" which sounds like something Michael Ledeen and David Horowitz dreamed up after passing out in the sauna together.
if America would just sit down and have a beer with him... errr.. nothin...
Maybe he could buy the world some, er...a coke and teach us all to sing in perfect harmony?
NTodd |
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06.25.05 - 2:39 pm | #
any more news about cheney? is the vile old bastard finally dead?
Olaf glad and big |
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06.25.05 - 2:40 pm | #
Short of another major terrorist
attack,
what has Bush got to turn things
around?
There's always a chance the twins will do an FHM spread and this will make people feel sorry for Dear Leader.
Naw. Fuck him. He spawned them, it's his problem.
Time to blow shit up.
Big Daddy Mars |
06.25.05 - 2:40 pm | #
any more news about cheney? is the vile old bastard finally dead?
Olaf glad and big
His soul is.
Omnes Omnibus |
06.25.05 - 2:41 pm | #
Maybe he could buy the world some, er...a coke and teach us all to sing in perfect harmony?
Just as soon as he gets over the gum freeze.
Big Daddy Mars |
06.25.05 - 2:41 pm | #
Short of another major terrorist
attack,
what has Bush got to turn things
around?
This is why it is vitally important to get the word out that Bush is *soft* on terror, and point out all the areas where he's left us vulnerable *before* there's another attack.
If we can get the idea into people's heads that the Republicans are putting corporate interests ahead of homeland security before something terrible happens, then there's at least a chance they could be held accountable if the next attack exploits one of the vulnerabilities the Democrats were screaming about.
Unfortunately, a cooperative media is probably necessary, to remind people after the fact - if the Democrats try to do it themselves they'll be crucified for "politicizing" the tragedy at a time when we all need to pull together and support the preznit.
Eli |
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06.25.05 - 2:41 pm | #
Whoa -- what about Cheney?
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 2:41 pm | #
But the press reports
Saddam says, "No," to Fruit Loops
not our, "No!" to Bush
haiku jimmy |
06.25.05 - 2:43 pm | #
The tide of popular opinion turning against the war is washing away walls we didn't even know were there.
I think you mean walls that the MSM didn't want us to know about.
pie |
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06.25.05 - 2:43 pm | #
NTodd - you better go lighten up your avatar, as long as A. doesn't want to expand the canvas.....
GWPDA, Irate Scholar |
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06.25.05 - 2:43 pm | #
my thought from the beggining was saddam could have showed up with his dick in his hand for a peace offering, but ole george was taking him out.
i imagine there was more than one reason for this colossal blunder, but a big part of it was political. a very bad move, perhaps now the chickens come home to roost.
yet, the damage has all been done.
i keep hearing people talk impeachment. i would just hope there was a real chance of that, combined with criminal prosecution.
charley more pissed off by the |
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06.25.05 - 2:43 pm | #
If we can get the idea into people's heads that the Republicans are putting corporate interests ahead of homeland security before something terrible happens, then there's at least a chance they could be held accountable if the next attack exploits one of the vulnerabilities the Democrats were screaming about.
Won't work. Remember, talking about a problem is the problem. Don't talk about it? No problem!
NTodd |
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06.25.05 - 2:44 pm | #
any more news about cheney? is the vile old bastard finally dead?
I kinda like the idea of W. wandering around aimlessly with a dazed look on his face (well, more than usual) without someone to tell him what to do. But I don't think we'll see that unless Rove kicks it, which is kind of a pleasing thought in itself...
Eli |
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06.25.05 - 2:44 pm | #
NTodd - you better go lighten up your avatar, as long as A. doesn't want to expand the canvas.....
But I am dark.
NTodd |
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06.25.05 - 2:44 pm | #
Jamie Wilson in Washington
Saturday June 25, 2005
The Guardian
The American vice-president, Dick Cheney, provoked fresh uproar over Guantánamo Bay yesterday after he claimed that prisoners held by the US there were "living in the tropics" and had been given everything they could possibly want.
His comments, the latest attempt by leading Republicans to portray the prison at the US base in Cuba as something of a holiday camp, came as evidence emerged that military doctors have helped interrogators by advising them how to increase stress levels and exploit the fears of the detainees.
A UN team that has been repeatedly denied access to the detainees also claimed it had credible evidence of torture at the camp, where more than 500 Muslim men are held without charge or trial.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar |
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06.25.05 - 2:46 pm | #
What's stunning is that anyone at all thinks Saddam was responsible. Bizarre...
Peter |
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06.25.05 - 2:46 pm | #
Nevermind.
You said it.
pie |
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06.25.05 - 2:47 pm | #
wow, looks like the afternoon shift has arrived en masse! Hey folks, good to see ya!
Like tena, I'm keeping a wary eye on the dark clouds gathering around the mountains. Hearing rumbles of thunder too, damnit. Yesterday I blew out my back working too long and too hard in the yard, spent over an hour using soap-based pesticides on my flourishing sunflowers and other plantlings. And now it's going to rain and wash off the protection. Damn.
NMRed |
06.25.05 - 2:48 pm | #
Steve Simels ought to be scared. The first choice would inciting something in Iran, Syria, or North Korea. But soldiers being killed in Iraq can't fight in another theater. So where's the world's theater capitol? You guessed it.
MarkC |
06.25.05 - 2:48 pm | #
Eli.
Well, of course that's the
big unknowable.
When the next major terrorist
attack happens -- and I'd lay
money it will be before the 06
elections -- how will the
American people respond.
Will they
A) react with fury toward to Bush
and the Republicans for having
left us vulnerable (fool me once,
and all that)
or
B)cower in fear and willingly
let Bush use the Constitution for
toilet paper (suspending elections,
and stuff)
I frankly don't know which....
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 2:48 pm | #
The American vice-president, Dick Cheney, provoked fresh uproar over Guantánamo Bay yesterday after he claimed that prisoners held by the US there were "living in the tropics" and had been given everything they could possibly want.
Mmm... two types of fruit...
Of course, they don't say *how* the bananas and pineapples are administered...
Eli |
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06.25.05 - 2:49 pm | #
steve - arianna's go the scoop over at her mega blog, check it out...
NMRed |
06.25.05 - 2:50 pm | #
GWPDA - I've been ranting with my family and friends about that "tropics" remark since last night. Dick has his own little cubicle all reserved in hell, the vicious slimy motherfucker. When he does finally go, the "body" will vanish, leaving only a putrid green puff of greasy smoke.
mena |
06.25.05 - 2:50 pm | #
What's stunning is that anyone at all thinks Saddam was responsible.
Given the tsunami of lies and misinformation that flowed from the White House, and the fact that the media and everyone in Congress just let it happen, it's not that stunning. If you were just relying on your daily newspaper and CNN for info, you might well have thought that Saddam was in league with al Qaeda, that he was on the brink of developing nukes, etc, etc.
And if you didn't know much about Iraq and the ME, you might have believed Cheney and Rumsfeld when they said the war would be quick and easy.
kc |
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06.25.05 - 2:51 pm | #
I wish I could link it, but the local redneck daily is very slow to update their homepage.
This morning I about choked when I read the most resolutely pro-Bush / thinks-Dems-are-wacko op-ed guy writing an obit for a local soldier, killed in action.
He didn't come right out and condemn the war, but he DID list all the reasons we've been given for being in Iraq, and then he admitted that he didn't really know any more which one to believe.
People are finally waking up, we're getting more rain than we know what to do with - always a good thing when there's been a drought. It's a great damn weekend so far.
Fuck Bush - I hope this means that we take the majority back in '06, and it looks a little more possible every day lately.
Tena |
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06.25.05 - 2:53 pm | #
I hear Jehovah let Satan borrow Dante for a few weeks so he could design a whole new set of deep levels of Hell for these bastards, and the no-bid contract went to Halliburton.
NMRed |
06.25.05 - 2:53 pm | #
Carrier Pigeons: people who voted for Bush after the carrier landing.
Chickenhawk thread heating up in carrier pigeon land...
see 'bring home the troops send in the chickenhawks' thread
votive candle |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 2:54 pm | #
Will they
A) react with fury toward to Bush
and the Republicans for having
left us vulnerable (fool me once,
and all that)
or
B)cower in fear and willingly
let Bush use the Constitution for
toilet paper (suspending elections,
and stuff)
I frankly don't know which....
I'd say (C) both.
(BTW, the formatting makes it sound kinda like political free verse)
Pere Ubu |
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06.25.05 - 2:54 pm | #
Pecan waffles are all gone, but we've still got some blueberry muffins and cherry pie.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 2:54 pm | #
NMRed, just looking at the Doppler - looks like big boomers and heavy rainstorms banking north off the Watermelons and centering right over Santa Fe/Taos and into Colorado. Keep your head down.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar |
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06.25.05 - 2:55 pm | #
I find myself thinking often of the last line from "Meet John Doe": "There's your answer, Norton -- the people! Let's see you beat that!"
Roddy McCorley |
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06.25.05 - 2:55 pm | #
Bush provoked the War for Iraq? Oh. I thought he was just executing the official policy of the Government of the United States: regime change, as signed off on by Bill Clinton.
Toby Petzold |
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06.25.05 - 2:55 pm | #
Hang on, how the fuck could anyone be so stupid as to think that Saddam provoked the war?
right after 9/11 i saw a cent. fl. redneck with a giant stars and bars flapping from the back bed of his black F150, as he drove past, spray painted in white on the tail gate was 'Attack Iraq'. my first thought, WTF, my second thought, if they wanted to, they could. bastards.
charley more pissed off by the |
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06.25.05 - 2:56 pm | #
aw, man, I missed the pecan waffles. I'll take a slice of cherry pie - is that fresh whipped cream I see on the counter? Just the perfect breakfast on a day like this.
NMRed |
06.25.05 - 2:56 pm | #
I hadn't gotten around to reading Wolcott yet. Bam!
"Axis of weevils." Heh. Too bad "axis of weasels" doesn't quite fit, but...
Silleigh |
06.25.05 - 2:57 pm | #
"Maybe he could buy the world some, er...a coke and teach us all to sing in perfect harmony?"
I'd prefer 'come on out America!' from Saturday Night Live. Our very own blame for everything Eli was in it
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 2:57 pm | #
as signed off on by Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton's Responsible Again! Oh, it's desperation time at the Chickenhawk Ranch.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar |
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06.25.05 - 2:57 pm | #
White House starts search for new justice
By Joseph Curl
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
June 24, 2005
A small group of senior White House and administration officials has quietly interviewed some of the top candidates for any Supreme Court vacancy, said Republican sources with close ties to the White House.
The senior officials are said to include Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, who has been mentioned as a Supreme Court candidate; White House Counsel Harriet Miers, the president's longtime adviser and former personal attorney; White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr.; and senior adviser Karl Rove.
No one in the administration would confirm or deny officially that top candidates had been interviewed. Nobody in Mr. Gonzales' office would comment, either.
The Chicago Tribune, citing "a senior administration official," reported Wednesday that the senior officials who interviewed the candidates had "briefed President Bush, but the president has not made a decision, said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity."
The paper also said the senior officials "are not ranking the contenders or making recommendations to the president because they are 'serious about being respectful to the chief [justice],' the official said."
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said again yesterday that "there's no vacancy that exists at this point."
However, the Christian Legal Society has been asked to provide its recommendations for a replacement for Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, 80, who has thyroid cancer. The group complied.
bkny |
06.25.05 - 2:57 pm | #
I am going to channel Senator Durbin here. I have made some minor changes to an article in this morning's paper about the election in Iran. With these changes, it still reads well and true.
Of more concern to ... [the European Union], which is in negotiations with [the United States] over its nuclear program, is [George Bush's] fiercely nationalist approach to foreign policy. While the election might not fundamentally change the country's direction, which is set by the clerics who have final say over government actions, it could undermine any chance of a reconciliation with the [European Union], as well as complicate the nuclear talks.
As the new president... [George Bush] will ... substitute his conservative view on foreign policy for those of the reformers, who have lost their seat at the table.
[Brussels], responding to [Bush's] victory, repeated concerns expressed by [French President Jacques Chriac] over the legitimacy of voting in [the United States], noting that "there were many allegations of election fraud and interference."
"We continue to stand by those who call for greater freedom for the [American] people," said Maria Tamburri, a [EU] spokeswoman.
Ba'al |
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06.25.05 - 2:57 pm | #
NMRed--it is. And since NTodd doesn't like cherry pie, there's plenty.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 2:57 pm | #
Toby Petzold, do you realize how lame you sound?
Bush was the preznit. He didn't have to do anything he didn't want to: Kyota Treaty, environmental regs, etc.
Stop being ridiculous.
pie |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 2:58 pm | #
I'm not blaming Clinton. I approve of his approval of that policy.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 2:58 pm | #
So just who the hell is Billy Graham (or his son) fucking at CNN? This never-ending coverage of his "Last Crusade" is really cutting into their Missing White Woman time (thankfully, they still have time to break in with such important news as "deadly shark attack in Florida!").
Ba'al--works perfectly well, and is accurate in its interpretation.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 2:59 pm | #
Somebody probably pointed this out above, but the interesting thing about this poll is that when it first started tracking, Americans blamed Saddam 3-to-1.
This latest poll is the first time more Americans have blamed Bush.
So SOMETHING is happening out there . . .
Mickey Finn |
06.25.05 - 2:59 pm | #
The senior officials are said to include Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, who has been mentioned as a Supreme Court candidate; White House Counsel Harriet Miers, the president's longtime adviser and former personal attorney; White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr.; and senior adviser Karl Rove.
Justice ROVE??? GAAAHHH!!!!
Anyway, I don't see it happening. He'd have to give up too much power.
Eli |
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06.25.05 - 2:59 pm | #
GWPDA - yeah, I just looked at the doppler myself. Damn. I forgot to double check the weather prediction on Friday morning, and this storm mass looks pretty damn serious.
I gotta get DSL and airport express so I can still surf and post when these storms come in.
It's been so wet this year, but I still refuse to complain about rain ruining my plans, don't want to piss off the Rain Gods. There's even a patch of snow visible on Mt. Baldy - the last few years it was gone by Beltane.
NMRed |
06.25.05 - 3:01 pm | #
I'm not blaming Clinton. I approve of his approval of that policy.
When he heads for hell, we can just tell him he's going to be in a 'desert climate.'
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 3:01 pm | #
Toby "Kristen Breitweiser is a 9/11
prostitute" Petzold should really
stop saying astoundingly stupid
things here -- like Bill Clinton
is responsible for the war -- and
get his ass back to his piece
of shit blog that nobody reads or
comments on.
Bush provoked the War for Iraq? Oh. I thought he was just executing the official policy of the Government of the United States: regime change, as signed off on by Bill Clinton.
Cheney actually has one of those automatic implanted defibrillators that have short circuits in them causing them to go off unexpectedly.
We can always hope! And if it does go off, I hope it makes him shit his pants at a state dinner or on national tv.
Ba'al |
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06.25.05 - 3:03 pm | #
"Bush provoked the War for Iraq? Oh. I thought he was just executing the official policy of the Government of the United States: regime change, as signed off on by Bill Clinton.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 06.25.05 - 2:55 pm | # "
Where are you postig from soldier?
jri |
06.25.05 - 3:03 pm | #
Next the WH will be passing around PhotoShopped pics of Clinton in the "War Room," giving bad advice to Rummy, etc.
Jerry Falwell will sell them on his TV show, during commercials.
Mickey Finn |
06.25.05 - 3:03 pm | #
Aliens and the Constitution on Art Bell
--------
Retired Commander Sgt. Robert O. Dean (beyondzebra.com) will be discussing aliens, governmental disclosure, the future of our national security, and the U.S. Constitution.
radio geek |
06.25.05 - 3:03 pm | #
the reason why we aren't going to abide by Kyoto is because the Chinese won't do it
Was that the reason given back then?
pie |
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06.25.05 - 3:03 pm | #
"any more news about cheney? is the vile old bastard finally dead?"
I've got a nice bottle of Veuve Cliquot chilling just for said occasion.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 3:04 pm | #
You betcha! I, shall I say, feel
like I've been a very naughty boy
everytime I see her.
If you get my meaning.....
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 3:04 pm | #
Pie, the reason why we aren't going to abide by Kyoto is because the Chinese won't do it, either.
That's a vastly more important problem than you realize, apparently.
You lead by example, not by whining about the other guys. Alas, we gave up our moral leadership ages ago. Kyoto, NPT, dissing the UN. The world, and now Americans, are seeing just how much we've lost.
NTodd |
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06.25.05 - 3:05 pm | #
Talk is cheap.
Actions, OTOH...
Are for other suckers, as we've seen when it comes to the members of the GOP.
Big Daddy Mars |
06.25.05 - 3:05 pm | #
Toby, what has Bush done that's been successful?
I'd like to hear your accolades.
pie |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 3:05 pm | #
Must go. Date to see NAnananananananaNA--Batman! and indulge in other silliness. See you guys tomorrow, when the winds will still be coming in from the Left and picking up speed.
Silleigh |
06.25.05 - 3:05 pm | #
"Shark attack! Now there's some action!"
That was last weekend, dear. Tonight it's 'Satan's Tornado!'
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 3:05 pm | #
(Brownshirt) "Kristen Breitweiser is a 9/11
prostitute" (T) should really
stop saying astoundingly stupid
things here...
You mean like how, even if there was incontrovertible photographic evidence of children being sexually assaulted by United States personnel at Gitmo, he still wouldn't speak against our "policies" there? I agree.
You people don' unnershtan. We din't provoke anything. War was thrush . . . thrutht . . . we were forshed to go to war.
Tom DeLay |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 3:06 pm | #
"You betcha! I, shall I say, feel
like I've been a very naughty boy
everytime I see her."
Steve, you're always a very naughty boy
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 3:06 pm | #
If I thought anybody would, I'd say let me know when the old shitbucket kicks, and I'd come back for champagne. I can't stomach listening to you folks talk to that sickening fucking troll this morning.
mena |
06.25.05 - 3:08 pm | #
I'll miss the Satan's Tornado blogging tonight because we've got a date with friends for dinner and "Batman Begins". Perhaps I can Tivo and do late night blogging while I drift on the fluffy clouds of the pain meds...
NMRed |
06.25.05 - 3:08 pm | #
Yes, Fred is very hot.
Toby Petzold |
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06.25.05 - 3:08 pm | #
Hi guys. sex troll here. I'm taking an opinion troll, uh, I mean poll.
Here's the question:
"If I were having sex with sex troll, the experience would be worth:
a) $1000.00 US
b) $1000.00 Canadian
c) $50.00
d) Some scraps of lint and a bucket of used Mr. Clean solution."
Thanks, from sex troll and sex troll industries.
sex troll |
06.25.05 - 3:09 pm | #
You lead by example, not by whining about the other guys.
Wrong. You lead by telling everyone what a strong and decisive leader you are. That's the only way they'll ever respect you.
Eli |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 3:09 pm | #
Toby = Mr. Jones. For the life of me I don't understand why folks engage with him.
cs |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 3:09 pm | #
Oh gosh, y'all, I must apologize
again for my idiot son coming over here
to stink up the place again. I've
asked him to stop it a zillion times,
but as I've mentioned before it
turns out he actually doesn't hear
me. Seems the sound he makes while
eating Cheetos in the basement drowns
me out, or something.
I just don't know what to do.
Oh, wait -- I thought of something.
I'll go post a comment on his blog.
That should get his attention,
seeing how nobody else does.
Someone needs to take out
a full page ad
of a spray of red roses
And say:
BOOYEAH! (however it is spelled)
She did the flowers
in Bagdad!
Of course,
the spray
would be
underlined with a FLAG.
In other news:
Is Cheney dead yet?
Because there's one person who deserves to have his coffin seen by all.
MeToo |
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06.25.05 - 3:09 pm | #
A refugee from Chinese occupied Tibet who lived at my home told me that uncooperative Tibetans and their children were forced into a big meeting. She said the children watched as the Chinese murdered their parents. That's one of their techniques for social control.
radio geek |
06.25.05 - 3:09 pm | #
oops she did "get the flowers" in Bagdad
I need a proofreder
MeToo |
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06.25.05 - 3:10 pm | #
Sex troll, isn't it nice, luring disco dollies to a life of vice...
Eli |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 3:10 pm | #
NMRed - you getting part of this front, too?
It's been raining here off and on all week. It is looking more and more like the monsoon season started early.
This last one just moved through in about 5 minutes. I sympathize with your dilemma about protecting your plants. I keep spraying stuff with Deer Off and 10 minutes later it is rained off.
Tena |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 3:10 pm | #
the treasonous american citizens may blame president bush more than that dictator saddam but those of us sitting back with cheesies and diet mountain dew defending the homeland from terror know differently
young republican |
06.25.05 - 3:11 pm | #
Mena--I'll rattle your cage and save you a glass!
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 3:11 pm | #
Mena:
I can't stomach listening to you folks talk to that sickening fucking troll this morning.
That's because you are an intellectual lightweight who can't stand having her petty little understanding of the world contradicted. Face it: you're full of hate and ignorance.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
06.25.05 - 3:12 pm | #
pay no attention to the pathetically cowardly trool in the corner. He's a chicken hawk and has no intellectual integrity.
Please, I'd rather see us spend our few moments of pleasure on Eschaton discussing bad Sci-Fi movies than even acknowledging his presence.
NMRed |
06.25.05 - 3:12 pm | #
Toby "Mohammedan Menace" doesn't
understand that nobody here gives
a rat's ass about his taste in women.
Or anything else for that matter.
At least not until he apologizes
to the 9/11 widows and tells us
why he's in bed with the official
party of racism, homophobia,
theocracy, torture and murder.
bbsteve simels |
06.25.05 - 3:12 pm | #
Loved the "Gerry and Cookie Fleck" reference. Where's Winkie?
WalterNeff |
06.25.05 - 3:12 pm | #
are the red guards dragging mom off for another abortion?
that darned mao...such a guy
earl in toronto |
06.25.05 - 3:13 pm | #
steve simels and others who have said they worry that Bush's dropping numbers foreshadow a desperate "terrorist attack" maneuver:
Like I said in another thread... to quote "M*A*S*H"s Radar:
Wait for it.
'Cuz you're right. It's the only card they have left to play.
lisa |
06.25.05 - 3:13 pm | #
I wonder if the news is going according to planned this weekend for Rove. At least he will probably be the Big Topic tomorrow morning.
radio geek |
06.25.05 - 3:14 pm | #
Rummy, with the most sophisticated war machine ever, and a blank check, is losing a war against a third rate backwater with NO army.
gary in fl |
06.25.05 - 3:14 pm | #
That's because you are an intellectual lightweight who can't stand having her petty little understanding of the world contradicted. Face it: you're full of hate and ignorance.
toby is right. you people are full of hate and drool and gay genes.
just this morning good buddy toby and i laid down a blistering crossfire at the lesbian coffee shop doing at home what our boys are doing in fallujah.
hey toby good bud did ya' manage to get the ambulance driver?
young republican |
06.25.05 - 3:15 pm | #
You lead by telling everyone what a strong and decisive leader you are.
It's not working. Big talker (when anyone actually gets to listen to his crap).
Worst. President. Ever.
pie |
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06.25.05 - 3:15 pm | #
Speaking of hate and ignorance:
Who called a 9/11 widow a "prostitute"?
Who called the marines "cowards"?
Someone who is ignorant and filled with hate, I'm guessing...
lisa |
06.25.05 - 3:15 pm | #
Wrong. You lead by telling everyone what a strong and decisive leader you are.
Leading is hard, incredibly hard. I think about it every single day. And it's just, it's hard. And I think about it, what it takes to be a leadership. I think about every day, every single day. And it's hard.
George W. Bush |
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06.25.05 - 3:16 pm | #
"Projection. It's what's for dinner."
I thought it was sirloin marinated in soy sauce, vinegar, garlic, ginger, hot chiles and sesame oil.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 3:16 pm | #
lisa:
Who called the marines "cowards"?
Who gets her info second or third-hand and assumes she hasn't been lied to?
Toby Petzold |
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06.25.05 - 3:16 pm | #
O My God - I didn't know Harriet Fucking Meirs was Bushie's lawyer and I sure as shit didn't know she might be considered for the SCOTUS.
Oh goddamn - she is a prize Nazi fucking bitch. If it's the same person, and I have to think it is, she used to have a criminal court in Dallas. Everyone hated her equally.
Tena |
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06.25.05 - 3:16 pm | #
He didn't look like someone who was disarming.
Maybe that had something to do with him not having anything to disarm?
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
06.25.05 - 3:16 pm | #
"You lead by example, not by whining about the other guys."
Wrong. You lead by telling everyone what a strong and decisive leader you are.
You're both wrong. You lead by dressing up in a flight suit you have no business being in, stuffing the crotch with tissue paper, and ignore the obvious reality unfolding around you in an attempt to generate a cheap, opportunistic "photo op" for your re-election campaign.
Later moonbats. Gonna walk around Silver Spring in this godawful heat.
NTodd |
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06.25.05 - 3:17 pm | #
Toooobeeeee.... we're wait-ing... come and get us, big man... we're right where you want us...
heehee... like we have anything to fear from the likes of *him*... heh.
Mohammedan Menace! |
06.25.05 - 3:17 pm | #
george has buyers remorse
moi |
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06.25.05 - 3:17 pm | #
i remember in new mexico where the rain was so big, and came town so hard it bounced off the concrete about 4 or 5 feet.
of course we have a lot of rain here in fl. but nothing like new mex. for the extremes.
and a hard rain's gonna fall.
charley more pissed off by the |
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06.25.05 - 3:18 pm | #
The UN is the place America goes to lie to the world.
radio geek |
06.25.05 - 3:18 pm | #
bbsteve simels
Aha! I knew it! It's the beta bot Steve Simels, spewing his keyword crapola.
Toby Petzold |
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06.25.05 - 3:18 pm | #
O My God - I didn't know Harriet Fucking Meirs was Bushie's lawyer and I sure as shit didn't know she might be considered for the SCOTUS.
Oh goddamn - she is a prize Nazi fucking bitch. If it's the same person, and I have to think it is, she used to have a criminal court in Dallas. Everyone hated her equally.
How can you not hate a fucking piece of shit lawyer? Bushfuck and his lawyer whores will burn in hell. All lawyers will burn in hell, for that matter.
kerry |
06.25.05 - 3:18 pm | #
Who gets her info second or third-hand and assumes she hasn't been lied to?
Notice he denies nothing, particularly the 9/11 widow = whore thing he said. And Tobes, your cred is shot with that one since you denied ever saying it, which you most certainly did.
Okay, now I'm going. Really. Got my shoes on and everything.
NTodd |
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06.25.05 - 3:18 pm | #
No, geek, the UN is where the world goes to hate the Jews.
Toby Petzold |
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06.25.05 - 3:19 pm | #
"Who called the marines "cowards"?"
Someone with a serious death wish.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 3:19 pm | #
good buddy toby squinted down his rifle sights bringing the insurgents into view. he squeezed the trigger. 'another scalp for prez bush.' he said getting off the chair at the arcade and picking up some kraft dinner for his victory meal.
being a war cheerleader is hard work. hard work.
sammy snail |
06.25.05 - 3:19 pm | #
Toby's mom:
I know I said this yesterday, but
I wanted to re-share it with
everybody here.
First of all, you must be an
exceedingly tolerant and kind
person to be able to put up with
your idiot son with such equanamity,
and for that -- kudos!
However, there are two
words you really
need to ponder.
Justifiable homicide.
Seriously, I don't think there's
a jury in the country that would
convict you.
Think about it, please. For all
our sakes.
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 3:19 pm | #
What amazes me is that more Americans now blame Bush for provoking the war with Iraq than blame Saddam Hussein.
It's time to ask: Why does America hate America?
Dr. Cb, Couldn't resist |
06.25.05 - 3:20 pm | #
I thought it was sirloin marinated in soy sauce, vinegar, garlic, ginger, hot chiles and sesame oil.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere
Damn, but that sounds appetizing? Why do I always get so hungry when I come here?
ThinlyVeiled |
06.25.05 - 3:21 pm | #
dave--are they the sponsors of this segment of the show?
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 3:21 pm | #
Todd, your terms are wrong. I said Breirweiser is a 9/11 prostitute, not a whore. And the lie that that worthless turd woot keeps spreading about me calling the Marines cowards is something that others here have picked up and carried forward. It's sort of interesting, though, how gullible y'all are.
Toby Petzold |
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06.25.05 - 3:21 pm | #
That Bush is a fucking TROOPER.
I mean, seriously, what other President to started a unnecessary war based on lies, that got almost 2,000 of our best men and women killed, and about 100,000 innocent Iraqis killed, and that completely erased our huge surplus and put us in the fucking red till our grandkids are old, and destroyed our good standing in the world community, would take the TIME and EFFORT to think about it EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY??
I mean, by God, this guy is special.
That's leadership, baby.
Way to go, Bush.
Mickey Finn |
06.25.05 - 3:21 pm | #
not *all* lawyers go to hell- just the ones in the employ of Bushco.
nick carraway
No, they are all a bunch of vulture scumbags. Fuck them all with a rusty chainsaw. Lawyers are shit in a silk stocking.
kerry |
06.25.05 - 3:22 pm | #
tena - yes, we are blessed with bountiful rains this year, and it looks and sounds like we'll be getting more within the next hour. The monsoons usually don't start until after the 4th, and strong storms usually don't pop up until much later in the afternoon, just in time to cool off the land for a refreshing evening spent on the patio. It's kinda like "Camelot".
The clouds gathering around the Sangres look pretty serious, the rumbling is getting louder, and I'd better go hobble around and put out the buckets and tarps under the two known leaks in the roof that drip directly on the bed and over grandma's cherrywood dresser. Sigh. Renovation plans continue to evolve, but we're up against the height restrictions which means some serious re-jiggling of the plans for a pitched pro-panel roof. Right now it look like it will be late September before the work actually begins. So I'll be spending another monsoon season checking rooms everytime it rains, draping tarps over the bookcases and emptying buckets for the next several months.
But I'm not complaining, Rain Gods, no, really, no complaints at all......
NMRed |
06.25.05 - 3:22 pm | #
he might feel a draft before he ever gets around to smelling the coffee.
nick carraway |
06.25.05 - 3:22 pm | #
Rummy, with the most sophisticated war machine ever, and a blank check, is losing a war against a third rate backwater with NO army.
You know, I don't think this can said too often.
How fucking incompetent is that? I mean, really, I think just about any annoying street lunatic with a heroin monkey on his back could have done a better job than Rummy.
What an embarrassment.
lisa |
06.25.05 - 3:22 pm | #
ThinlyVeiled--not only do liberals have better ideas, we have better food.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 3:23 pm | #
Speaking of hungry - anyone know a good recipe for blueberry icecream?
lb0313 |
06.25.05 - 3:23 pm | #
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected as President of Iran cause he is the only man who can destroy the power of the clerics.
Its very astute voting from the Iraians in my opinion.
They must of known that voting in another reformed would get them no where.
Moonbootica |
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06.25.05 - 3:23 pm | #
Has this been mentioned?
Kristen Breitweiser is a 9/11 prostitute who should be ashamed of how she's capitalizing on her dead husband. But she's not. Which makes her the perfect Dhimmicratic prop.
Toby "Mohammedan Menace" Petzold
doesn't understand that we think
the reason he's in bed with the
official party of racism, homophobia,
theocracy, torture and murder is
because he digs all those things.
Because he never disputes the
premise.
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 3:23 pm | #
Lawyers are shit in a silk stocking.
Until ya need one, darlin'.
I think you'd better STFU.
pie |
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06.25.05 - 3:24 pm | #
And don't even get me started on *boomer* lawyers!
Eli |
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06.25.05 - 3:24 pm | #
steve simels and others who have said they worry that Bush's dropping numbers foreshadow a desperate "terrorist attack" maneuver:
Like I said in another thread... to quote "M*A*S*H"s Radar:
Wait for it.
'Cuz you're right. It's the only card they have left to play.
lisa | 06.25.05 - 3:13 pm | #
I'm afraid that steve and lisa and others are getting the same impression that i have from the course of events. The Rove attack and its support of the WH is another indicator that they are preparing for the next one, at which time the "evil liberals" will be rounded up and martial law will be declared.
The question for you bright, intelligent and humane people is, what can we do to stop it from happening?
carole |
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06.25.05 - 3:26 pm | #
Speaking of ignorance, what kind of maroon thinks there's a difference between the words "prostitute" and "whore"?
You know how Eskimos have 50 different words for "snow"...
Eli |
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06.25.05 - 3:26 pm | #
Lawyers are shit in a silk stocking.
Your ex got custody, huh? Bummer.
kc |
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06.25.05 - 3:26 pm | #
Is the two party system adequate checks and balances on Skull and Bones?
radio geek |
06.25.05 - 3:28 pm | #
Toby is basically saying only President Bush is allowed to use Sept 11 for political purposes.
And what is the difference between a prostitute and a whore, anyway?
nick carraway |
06.25.05 - 3:28 pm | #
lisa, your dedication to accuracy and attributions has already been noted.
Toby Petzold |
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06.25.05 - 3:28 pm | #
"Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said we must understand our enemies." - KKKarl Rove.
Rove belongs no where near a military planning session, becaues his is the philosophy of certain defeat.
To defeat your enemy, you MUST understand him. That, and understanding yourself, is the first step toward formulating a plan for victory.
Rove, like his deserting coward master, is a fucktard.
Gary Frazier |
06.25.05 - 3:28 pm | #
The Rove attack and its support of the WH is another indicator that they are preparing for the next one, at which time the "evil liberals" will be rounded up and martial law will be declared.
I hate to say it, but I think the correct wording is, "they are PREPARING the next one."
The question for you bright, intelligent and humane people is, what can we do to stop it from happening?
I wonder if Bush puts a certain time aside each day, to think about Iraq? Like, say, from 1:00 to 1:15 PM, every day, just before one of his fabled naps?
Or does Iraq just sort of pop into his head, unbidden, at various and different times of the day, like when he is indulging his famous habit for computer golf games?
Do you know, Toby?
Mickey Finn |
06.25.05 - 3:31 pm | #
Lisa--as a teacher, I encourage kids not to enlist. That's a small part of what I do.
Sallyh, La Poissoniere |
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06.25.05 - 3:31 pm | #
Kristen Breitweiser
i read her stuff the other day. she so called it.
WHERE THE FUCK IS OSAMA!
i hear Porter Goss knows, but he aint' talkin'
these guys are so criminally insane.
charley more pissed off by the |
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06.25.05 - 3:31 pm | #
(Google is your friend).
melior |
06.25.05 - 3:31 pm | #
To defeat your enemy, you MUST understand him. That, and understanding yourself, is the first step toward formulating a plan for victory.
And because of that, Bushfuck and co are certain to leave this country in shambles. The only thing Bushfuck understands is how to smirk. Asshole.
kerry |
06.25.05 - 3:31 pm | #
Yikes! Big Lighting strike not too far away - time to shut down and wait this one out.
Have a good 'un folks, and if you must, only speak to the troll to remind him of his cowardice when his President needs all good sheep to enlist.
NMRed |
06.25.05 - 3:31 pm | #
ThinlyVeiled--not only do liberals have better ideas, we have better food.
Oh, you don't have to tell me; I've spent enough time lurking around here (and at your blog) to know what a fine bunch of gourmands you all are. I like to think that I'm a decent cook, myself, but y'all put me to shame...
ThinlyVeiled |
06.25.05 - 3:32 pm | #
To defeat your enemy, you MUST understand him. That, and understanding yourself, is the first step toward formulating a plan for victory.
Think some Chinese guy said that a couple thousand years ago.
chris/tx |
06.25.05 - 3:32 pm | #
Rove belongs no where near a military planning session, becaues his is the philosophy of certain defeat.
To defeat your enemy, you MUST understand him. That, and understanding yourself, is the first step toward formulating a plan for victory.
In terms of military strategy, ineffective. In terms of demonizing liberals as New Age touchy-feely pansies, effective.
Eli |
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06.25.05 - 3:33 pm | #
Thank you so much for the kind
words. Yes, dealing with my
idiot son is trying at best
(you ever try to get Cheeto
stains out of industrial carpeting?
It's not easy, that's for sure).
But he is the fruit of my loins,
and we all have our little crosses
to bear.
The justifiable homicide thing
sounds interesting, though.
I'll get back to you.
Toby's momb |
06.25.05 - 3:33 pm | #
Oh shit, the medivac helicopter just flew over - they must have flown someone out of the high country - I hope they didn't get hit by lightning.
someone dies up here at least once a year from a lightning strike.
Tena |
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06.25.05 - 3:34 pm | #
Kristen Breitweiser is a 9/11 prostitute who should be ashamed of how she's capitalizing on her dead husband. But she's not. Which makes her the perfect Dhimmicratic prop.
George Bush is a 9/11 prostitute who should be ashamed of how he's capitalizing on 3,000 dead Americans. But he's not. Which makes him the perfect Repuglican figurehead.
Not Toby Petzold |
06.25.05 - 3:34 pm | #
This is from a movie review Kristen Breitweiser wrote for Salon:
It is understandable that so little time is actually devoted to the president's true actions on the morning of 9/11. Because to show the entire 23 minutes from 9:03 to 9:25 a.m., when President Bush, in reality, remained seated and listening to "second grade story-hour" while people like my husband were burning alive inside the World Trade Center towers, would run counter to Karl Rove's art direction and grand vision.
See? She's just a Moore-on and a hack with a name to drop.
Working on Sat Sucks
agave |
06.25.05 - 3:35 pm | #
To defeat your enemy, you MUST understand him. That, and understanding yourself, is the first step toward formulating a plan for victory.
You're also assuming that these guys want to "win" in the normal sense of the word.
but if your goal is perpetual war....
watertiger |
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06.25.05 - 3:36 pm | #
Re: Cheney, I read he went to the hospital for a knee injury. Of course, we know it wouldn't have been for his heart as he has none.
oldwhitelady |
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06.25.05 - 3:36 pm | #
And what is the difference between a prostitute and a whore, anyway?
A prostitute has a set price, a whore will take whatever you have?
bcf |
06.25.05 - 3:36 pm | #
i hear Porter Goss knows, but he aint' talkin'
He's int he are around Aghanistan and Pakistan and areas east, west, south and north somewhat.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
06.25.05 - 3:36 pm | #
Darth Cheney says he knows, too.
and rummy, the smart one, knew where the WMDs were.
maybe america is just starting to get sick of these lying bastards.
charley more pissed off by the |
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06.25.05 - 3:37 pm | #
To defeat your enemy, you MUST understand him. That, and understanding yourself, is the first step toward formulating a plan for victory.
You're also assuming that these guys want to "win" in the normal sense of the word.
but if your goal is perpetual war....
If you do not learn to master your rage...
...make sure you pick on someone you can beat really easily.
Eli |
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06.25.05 - 3:37 pm | #
If 51-49 is a "mandate", what is 60-40?
melior |
06.25.05 - 3:37 pm | #
I meant: "He's in the area around Aghanistan and Pakistan and areas east, west, south and north somewhat."
Why doesn't this thing have a preview button?
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
06.25.05 - 3:38 pm | #
one last note - Tena - we usually lose a Texan or two every couple of years because they go hiking up in the Sangres in shorts and sandals, then the storms hit, the temp goes down to 30F and they die of hypothermia. Or get struck by lightning.
Sometime, the local Gods are just.
NMRed |
06.25.05 - 3:38 pm | #
Toby Petzold, I notice yoiu can't come up with anything good to say about georgie.
And thanks for giving us another Breitweiser slam.
You fuckhead. You didn't lose an thing on 9/11, except your humanity and your manhood.
"A prostitute has a set price, a whore will take whatever you have?"-- bcf
In that case, I'd say George W Bush & the group he fronts for are 9/11 whores.
But I was hoping to hear from the Expert before I went to get my hands dirty doing something useful (i.e. change the oil in the car)...ah well.
nick carraway |
06.25.05 - 3:43 pm | #
... what is the difference between a prostitute and a whore, anyway?
Toby apparently left to go
contribute to the war effort.
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 3:44 pm | #
Todd, your terms are wrong. I said Breirweiser is a 9/11 prostitute, not a whore.
Yes, I know. A whore is a prostitute, and vice versa. Your selection of the "nicer" term does you no credit. But hey, you engage in semantic games just as well as Clinton and Bush!
NTodd |
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06.25.05 - 3:44 pm | #
Hey! Just reading Robert O. Paxton's Vichy France and the rethugs are doing just that. A Vichy revolution. Buy the book, don't be caught unawares!
What's the difference between
a chickenhawk and a cowardly
hypocrite?
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 3:46 pm | #
What is a maroon?
Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle. Or I would if I believed in all that Darwinism.
Here I always thought an octoroon was one of them fancy biskets you libiruls had with yer lattes.
NOUN: A person whose ancestry is one-eighth Black.
The terms mulatto, quadroon, and octoroon originated with the racial policies of European colonizers in the Americas, especially the Spanish. Because civil rights and responsibilities were based directly on the degree of European blood that a person had, such classifications were highly elaborated, and minor distinctions in ancestry were carefully recorded. While these terms have highly precise definitions, in actual practice they were often used based on impressions of skin color rather than definite knowledge of ancestry.
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 3:46 pm | #
When the comments leave the original topic so far behind, it is a sign that even the trolls agree. And indeed, there is no question who provoked the War in Iraq. The problem is that whenever you ask him for an exit strategy, he changes the subject to talk about an exit timetable. Pathological liar.
MarkC |
06.25.05 - 3:47 pm | #
See? She's just a Moore-on and a hack with a name to drop.
Again, no denial of the facts, just an attack on the woman writing about them. You must've gotten an A+ in Rovian Tactics 101, Tobes.
No proprietary atrocities, baby!
WTF does this even mean?
NTodd |
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06.25.05 - 3:47 pm | #
Honestly, guys, Tobes went over the line some days back and shouldn't be addressed until he apologizes.
Point out his moral depravity and leave it at that.
Hey! Just reading Robert O. Paxton's Vichy France and the rethugs are doing just that. A Vichy revolution. Buy the book, don't be caught unawares!
You french loving libruls and yer fancy waters. La di dah
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 3:48 pm | #
Watch this space: some fighting Dems in TX are preparing to help Gov. Goodhair with his new Hispanic outreach campaign.
Cause when they're deep in a hole, we love to hand them a shovel.
melior |
06.25.05 - 3:49 pm | #
NTodd
how big a file can you shoot with that camera of yours?
can it shoot raw? any notions on how it compares with the cannon d20
charley more pissed off by the |
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06.25.05 - 3:50 pm | #
What this also means, though the respondents probably haven't internally reached this conclusion, and the poll didn't phrase it this way:
49% of Americans now consider George W. Bush to be a war criminal.
Seraphiel |
06.25.05 - 3:50 pm | #
Moore-on
Wow! Tht's clever. Not. Did ou think that up all by yourself? I doubt it.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
06.25.05 - 3:50 pm | #
Toby is stupid, ugly and no body likes him!
Moonbootica |
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06.25.05 - 3:50 pm | #
see, the way I got it figgered, it's like those chineses finge cuffs you can get inta chinatown, you gots to push yer fingers in to gets em out. That's yer exit strategery right there. Bush knows whats he doing. He reads the sun sue.
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 3:51 pm | #
I think many of Toby's problems
stem from his name.
Can you imagine going through
school with a moniker like that?
Sheesh.
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 3:51 pm | #
Well, the Young Reptilicans thread is dead, or sleeping very soundly, so;
I certainly hope everyone who has friends or relatives in Iraq is going to see that copies of the interviews, (vids if possible), find their way over there. I'd love to see Miss Vivian become a Pinup Girl for our troops.
Oh, they're gonna be needing lots of darts...
Doozer |
06.25.05 - 3:52 pm | #
My name is little Toby
I cut my hair with Flowbee
It sucked it up
I look fucked up
And now I envy Moby.
Toby's Lament |
06.25.05 - 3:52 pm | #
melior - Ooh, thanks for the link.
The Texas Dems are fired up.
Tena |
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06.25.05 - 3:53 pm | #
" Face it: you're full of hate and ignorance."
Toby Petzold
49% of Americans now consider George W. Bush to be a war criminal.
i don't know what it is but i just love the sound of that. War Criminal, it sounds so severe.
yet, facts are facts.
charley more pissed off by the |
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06.25.05 - 3:54 pm | #
spork - Yes I have and it is not fun.
Mr. Tena and I were way up a trail one afternoon when a storm rolled in. We were going to wait out the rain, but the thunder rolled in and the hair on the back of our necks stood up.
We ran for a gully as fast as we could and stayed in it until we could get out of there.
I'm scared of lightning up here - for good reason.
Tena |
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06.25.05 - 3:55 pm | #
Tena-
Did you see the latest on Walker Railey?
01:32 PM CDT on Saturday, June 25, 2005
By PETE SLOVER / The Dallas Morning News
GLENDALE, Calif. – In the 12 years since Walker Railey was acquitted of trying to strangle his wife, he had built a new life of civic and professional prominence in Southern California. Even in tragedy, friends and colleagues had rallied around him after his second wife recently died of liver failure.
Then, on Friday, the past came knocking at Dr. Railey’s door. The respected downtown Los Angeles homeless mission where he was recently appointed vice president announced that his employment, which began in 2000, was terminated.
The dismissal came after his bosses learned that Lucy Papillon - the woman with whom Dr. Railey admitted having an affair before his first wife, Peggy, was attacked in 1987 - worked as a volunteer at the mission.
charley, the D70 shoots 3008 X 1996, and can do RAW (NEF), or jpeg, or both simultaneously. RAW files are a little over 5MB on average. Don't know enough about the 20D to comment.
Eli |
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06.25.05 - 3:55 pm | #
The iron is hot...
LET'S STEEEERRRRIIKKE!
Up against the wall, mo' fo's.
Fred Woolsey |
06.25.05 - 3:55 pm | #
Chris Tucker,
Aaaaaiiiiieeeeee! That is one scary Putz.
bigvic |
06.25.05 - 3:56 pm | #
I added a comment at Huffington's article on Cheney being admitted to the hosiptal. Simply said, "Call me when he's dead."
They preview every comment before posting. Mine didn't make it. And they've since added a disclaimer that they are deleting "offensive comments". Guess I wasn't alone.
So I say here, "Tell me when the MFer is dead."
Jack |
06.25.05 - 3:56 pm | #
That's fingering out yer chinese finger cuff Irakee exit strategery right there! Ya got to push the fingers in to get them out! I read it in son sue!
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 3:57 pm | #
Toby is that hippie homo poet, alan greenspan?
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 3:59 pm | #
little over 5MB on average
thanx Eli, translated to a print how big can you go?
sounds like a pretty small file.
charley more pissed off by the |
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06.25.05 - 3:59 pm | #
Simply said, "Call me when he's dead."
A friend of mine always says, "I'll never be happy until I see that motherfucker grabbing his left arm."
res ipsa loquitur |
06.25.05 - 4:00 pm | #
Blumenthal on Bush Trimphalism, etc.
res ipsa loquitur |
06.25.05 - 4:00 pm | #
That huffington post proved that all you libruls do is hate and be mean to us merkins. We want hate crimes legislation!
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 4:01 pm | #
Res, this one's for you:
Bush Administration: FIERY WRECK!
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 4:01 pm | #
"Simply said, "Call me when he's dead."
A friend of mine always says, "I'll never be happy until I see that motherfucker grabbing his left arm.""
A Republican former co-worker of mine said that Cheney was so evil he would drill his Grandmother's chest if he thought there was oil there.
Omnes Omnibus |
06.25.05 - 4:02 pm | #
spork_incident
People who use digital cameras=dorks.
Silver-nitrate, baby!
if you know me, i totally agree.
but, in few years you'll be having to coat your own substrates with that precious silver.
sigh.
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06.25.05 - 4:02 pm | #
thanx Eli, translated to a print how big can you go?
sounds like a pretty small file.
Well, it's generally considered plenty for an 8X10 (although the aspect ratio is way off). I just got a photo printer that goes up to 13X19, and one reviewer claimed he got a good 13X19 print from a 3-megapixel image (D70 is 6), although he crunched it through some smoothing or sharpening software first.
I have some 13X19 paper, so I'll be finding out for myself soon enough.
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06.25.05 - 4:03 pm | #
Mr. Tena and I were way up a trail one afternoon when a storm rolled in. We were going to wait out the rain, but the thunder rolled in and the hair on the back of our necks stood up.
Back when I climbed I was up around 13,000 feet when a storm moved in. The "electrical feeling" hit and we ran like hell - there was no cover. The bolt actually moved a rock or two right where we were standing.
I always have a mordant chuckle when I read about some tourist freezing in July or being eaten by a bear. Mother Nature isn't our friend; she aims to kill us every chance she gets.
[melodramatic voice]But I'll show her![/melodramatic voice]
Sidney Blumenthal should be careful about flying in small aircraft. Doesn't he ever watch the Sopranos?
melior |
06.25.05 - 4:04 pm | #
BTW:
I have a feeling that the reason
Bush is tanking is that people
are beginning to figure out that
the administration is setting the
country up for Eternal War.
They expected Gulf War II, and
instead got another Cold War with
no end in sight.
Just a theory.
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 4:05 pm | #
melior ...
I watched the entire "Sopranos" season 5 last night and this morning. I love that show. Poor Adrianna.
res ipsa loquitur |
06.25.05 - 4:06 pm | #
Todd, your terms are wrong. I said Breirweiser is a 9/11 prostitute
As opposed to the 7/11 prositutes toby and I go to. That's all we can afford right now and we don't know where the 9/11 is. Don't think thay got those here. must be up north
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 4:06 pm | #
49% of Americans now consider George W. Bush to be a war criminal.
Heh. There was an artile in the Times today that says 13 CIA agents have arrest warrants outstanding in Italy for kidnapping an Italian and "rendered" him to Egypt where he was tortured.
bigvic |
06.25.05 - 4:06 pm | #
pie - wrt: kerry - yep.
I'll just ignore the idiot from now on.
Thanks for that story on Railey. Now there is someone who really should have been pursued, like Jeb insists on pursuing Michael Schiavo.
Walker - for those who don't know - was a minister in Dallas who was having an affair with this woman who calls herself "Lucy Papillon."
Someone - i.e. Walker Railey - strangled his wife until she was unconscious. She now resides in a nursing home in a permanent vegetative state, cared for by her parents.
Walker was tried, but there wasn't sufficient evidence to convict him. He moved to California, where it appears karma is visiting him.
As much as it would please me, personally, to see Darth Dick "grab his left arm," I must say that I'm torn. The possibilty of Vice President Rove is simply too much for me to stomach.
ThinlyVeiled |
06.25.05 - 4:06 pm | #
Buuuutttt isn't it supposed to be CLINTON'S FAULT (tm)?
Blaming baby Bush for his messes is a no-no. Waaaa.
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06.25.05 - 4:07 pm | #
steve simels ...
Thank you. You're so sweet!
Hot enough for ya? (Although I'm in the cool cool library.)
res ipsa loquitur |
06.25.05 - 4:07 pm | #
charley sez:
but, in few years you'll be having to coat your own substrates with that precious silver.
Depressing, isn't it?
Us old-school types will always be able to get the real stuff but we'll be paying through the nose.
As much as it would please me, personally, to see Darth Dick "grab his left arm," I must say that I'm torn. The possibilty of Vice President Rove is simply too much for me to stomach.
What would change, really?
Actually, I think the more exposure Rove gets, the better.
And remember, Rove means never having to say you're sorry.
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06.25.05 - 4:08 pm | #
the administration is setting the
country up for Eternal War.
don't be a twisty liein liiebrul steverino. It's a short war without a timetable.
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 4:08 pm | #
What amazes me is that anyone thinks Saddam is to blame. Guess you can fool some of the people some of the time.
Hecate |
06.25.05 - 4:09 pm | #
spork_incident - you know, I get a kind of mordant chuckle out of the nitwits, too. People do not get it - you can get killed up here.
A lot of things can and do happen. I've been lost in the wilderness before, and that was the most terrified I've ever been. I'm lucky to be here.
People come up and are just stupid about things. This ain't Disney Land.
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06.25.05 - 4:09 pm | #
" Face it: you're full of hate and ignorance."
Toby Petzold
This from someone who calls a 9/11 widow a prostitute.
Who said irony was dead?
Terry C |
06.25.05 - 4:09 pm | #
Res:
Haven't been outside today --
cheerfully air conditioned at
home.
But the damn machine is really
noisy....drives me mental.
steve simels |
06.25.05 - 4:09 pm | #
I think about every day, every single day. And it's hard.
Not true, thank God.
Laura Bush |
06.25.05 - 4:11 pm | #
I hear you, Eli, but a few years' "executive experience" could put Herr Rove in line for the nomination in '08, and that just scares the crap out of me. OTOH, putting him "out front" like that could do a lot to expose him for the psychopath/sodiopath that he is. As I said, I'm torn...
ThinlyVeiled |
06.25.05 - 4:12 pm | #
spork_incident - in fact, I have a friend from Dallas whose family had a place over out of Creede. She and her brother, when they were in their early twenties, were hiking and found a herd of elk. They went back to their cabin. She stayed, he got his camera and went back up. And never came back down again, except when his body was carried down, finally.
He was taking pictures and stepped right off a cliff.
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06.25.05 - 4:13 pm | #
one last note - Tena - we usually lose a Texan or two every couple of years because they go hiking up in the Sangres in shorts and sandals, then the storms hit, the temp goes down to 30F and they die of hypothermia. Or get struck by lightning.
And, about hiding in gullies? Every year down here we lose folks who figure a dry wash is just the place to hole up in a monsoon rain.... Know your local territory! (And remember to say a big Thank you! to the Hopis up in the San Francisco Peaks. They've got most of the gods back from the white eyes and it's looking good for rain this year.)
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06.25.05 - 4:14 pm | #
I hear you, Eli, but a few years' "executive experience" could put Herr Rove in line for the nomination in '08, and that just scares the crap out of me. OTOH, putting him "out front" like that could do a lot to expose him for the psychopath/sodiopath that he is. As I said, I'm torn...
He's *already* calling the shots, and will probably continue to do so. He just wouldn't be able to do it behind the scenes as much anymore.
Anyway, I really don't think it's going to happen - I think he genuinely enjoys his role now, and he can do a lot more damage as a consultant/advisor.
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06.25.05 - 4:14 pm | #
Poor Adrianna.
Oh, that was horrible. Silvio should burn.
Silvio and Carmella ... All their rage is in their jaws, always clenched, always looking furious.
Janice: the show's biggest, most dangerous sociopath (like her mum).
Never-ending rivers of anger on that show...
res ipsa loquitur |
06.25.05 - 4:14 pm | #
Haven't been outside today --
cheerfully air conditioned at
home.
Nor should you be (outside).
It is uncivilized to be outdoors between noon and 5 PM at this time of year.
Evidence calls. Back in :45 ...
res ipsa loquitur |
06.25.05 - 4:16 pm | #
Tena sez:
People come up and are just stupid about things. This ain't Disney Land.
Unfortunately, the government keeps trying to turn the wilderness into Disneyland. Bipartisan. So some day-tripper goes to Yellowstone and decides it would be cute to feed the grizzley chips. Then sues for losing an arm.
Chimp in a nutshell: His refusal to insist on responsibility for blunders - indeed, rewarding and honouring their perpetrators - enshrines impunity and hubris.
His doctrine of presidential infallibility, the election being his only "moment of accountability", can no longer be sustained by reference to September 11.
I have some 13X19 paper, so I'll be finding out for myself soon enough.
let me know, Eli. the guy i've been assisting has the finepix s3. shoots around a 30 MB file. fuck'n hard on a computer. makes me nervous.
spork, kodak has already discontinued it's black and white paper. color, forget about it, they'll probably keep making color paper (you can print digital on it) but color film bye, bye.
more people die of lightening strikes in fl. than anywhere else in the world. speak of the devil, big boomer just went off. but i've been at 14,000 feet in the rockies when big ones blow in. it's exhilirating.
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06.25.05 - 4:17 pm | #
He's *already* calling the shots, and will probably continue to do so. He just wouldn't be able to do it behind the scenes as much anymore.
Anyway, I really don't think it's going to happen - I think he genuinely enjoys his role now, and he can do a lot more damage as a consultant/advisor.
You're probably right about that. I just really can't stand that vile little pigfucker. I'm sure you understand.
ThinlyVeiled |
06.25.05 - 4:17 pm | #
I can't shake the impression that we're finally separating into those who keep on drinking the Bush KoolAid and those who are beginning to refuse the cup.
But I'm a huge Philip K Dick fan, so perhaps when A Scanner Darkly finally hits the theaters, more people will understand what I mean when I say Substance D instead of KoolAid. (If you thought Star Wars or LOTR were a good metaphor for BushWorld, wait'll you see more of Dick's novels brought to the screen.)
Truth be told, CanD would be even more apt, but we'll just have to hope The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch will be next.
melior |
06.25.05 - 4:19 pm | #
And never came back down again, except when his body was carried down, finally.
He was taking pictures and stepped right off a cliff.
I imagine it's this degree of concentration that accounted for the number of tourists we had who fell into the Grand Canyon. Me, I say it's hard to ignore it - it's really, really big. But I guess if you're taking a picture of something important....
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06.25.05 - 4:21 pm | #
He was taking pictures and stepped right off a cliff.
In fairness, I get that. Sorta.
When you become used to something - even something dangerous - you develope a blind spot. Every once in a while somebody who has worked around airplanes for years or decades walks into a propeler and becomes pate'.
I think people have been WAY underestimating the increasing numbers of people who get their info from satellite radio (which carries NPR and at least two left-wing channels), public and independent broadcasts, and online blogs, broadcasts, plus access to far-flung press/opinion.
Put all that together with the fact that even Fox and CNN show visuals like Abu Ghraib, "insurgency" etc., and you have a critical mass. Hey, it wasn't just the Left which got the House to back down on cutting public broadcasting funding.
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06.25.05 - 4:22 pm | #
let me know, Eli. the guy i've been assisting has the finepix s3. shoots around a 30 MB file. fuck'n hard on a computer. makes me nervous.
Yikes. That's... pretty big. My PC has pretty high specs, and it takes at least 10-15 seconds to process the 5MB files.
Not sure exactly what size would approach actual film resolution.
You're probably right about that. I just really can't stand that vile little pigfucker. I'm sure you understand.
Completely. Pure Evil.
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06.25.05 - 4:22 pm | #
More than a few people have asked me: Who is the real Toby Petzold? Lately I've been telling them, "Just wait till the next issue of the Weekly Standard, which is going to include a Dewar's Profile ad featuring none other than."
Here's a sneak preview:
Dewar's Profile - Toby Petzold
Home: "Mom's letting me use her basement right now. Only temporary, of course."
Age: 38
Email: Neognostikos@hotmail.com
Marital Status: "Still haven't found the right girl yet. Some people accuse me of setting my standards too high, but I think secretly most of them only wish they'd looked before they leaped, the way I have."
Profession: Conservative Blogger, Patriot, CyberWarrior, WalMart Customer Service Associate
Hobby: Baiting Liberals
Last Book Read: "A Charge to Keep", ghost-written autobiography of George W. Bush. "Sometimes I feel a little guilty for reading the same book over and over, but what can I say? I literally worship the ground the man walks on, and I'm not ashamed to admit it."
Last Movie Viewed: "Plan Nine From Outer Space" "I may want to become a film director some day, and I figure it only makes sense to learn from the true masters."
Latest Accomplishment: "Got the White House to send me an 8x10 color photo of Jenna and Barbara Bush, that was autographed by both of them!"
Why I Do What I Do: "There's a war going on out there, a war for America's conscience, its heart and its soul. And I feel like I'm fighting on the front lines. It's dirty, dangerous, thankless work, but somebody's got to do it, right?"
Quote: "Sometimes the slings and arrows of liberal smartasses can be a lot more lethal and personally devastating than Improvised Explosive Devices. I just wish more people would recognize and acknowledge that."
Scotch: "Before I can answer that, I first have to ask: 'Who's buying?'"
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Toby's Friend |
06.25.05 - 4:23 pm | #
melior you freak! that the sickest think i ever read. You liebruls are inhumanity to man! Oh, the inanity!
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 4:25 pm | #
dave sez:
So was that Steve's best moment on the show?
I think so. I still have a little shudder when I think of his coldness.
I have a book which is on constant loan amongst my friends.
Coping With America, a guide for British tourists to America.
A couplke of choice quotes:
"In America, the flora and fauna can kill you.:
"In America, the weather can kill you."
And not just in the places you'd expect the weather to kill you, either.
It's not all that hard to die from hypothermia on the Boston Common in the middle of August.
There are rattlesnakes in the Blue Hills Nature Reservation, only a few miles from where I sit typing this.
I'm a pretty experienced backpacking enthusiast. At least in my much younger years.
The White Mountains in New Hampshire always scared the hell out of me. The weather can change in an instant.
Even in the depths of summer, I always had sever thermal blankets in the rucksack, along with a tarp and some line.
More than once, I needed them in the White Mountains.
Every year, they carry off one or two bodies from the Whites of folks who wern't prepared for what can happen.
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06.25.05 - 4:25 pm | #
GWPDA - well, when lightning is striking, the lowest point is the best. A gully beats a hilltop.
We don't get many flash floods up here. We're more inclined to get a rockslide if the rain is really heavy.
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06.25.05 - 4:26 pm | #
Let us not forget the lies. Lie #1: W has prevented more terrorist attacks-what about the anthrax? Lie #2: the war will last a few weeks, months at most. #3: W's "I'm a uniter, not a divider". #4: They'll greet us with candy and flowers. #5: Saddam had WMDs, including 5a: nukular capabilities, 5b: 500 liters of sarin, etc., 5c: biological weapons under the rosebush.
Ack! I go and eat some sushi and you start talking Sopranos without me.
Yeah poor Ade... not. Like Carmella she knew what the deal was. When she decided to work witht e Feds she sealed her own fate. She chose getting whacked over doing 5 years in prison.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
06.25.05 - 4:27 pm | #
I saw them bush gals pictures. I said I'd dewar, too.
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 4:28 pm | #
I been striked by lightnin. every man in my family been striked at least once. Too dumb to come out a da rain.
repelican petriot |
06.25.05 - 4:30 pm | #
I thought the Buscemi thing was good. He gets out of jail and tries to go straight. Finds out that working for a living is hard and stressful, while the gang lives it up. Decides the thug/parasite lifestyle is more appealing, gets too greedy and bites off more than he can chew and pays the price.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
06.25.05 - 4:30 pm | #
Yeah poor Ade... not. Like Carmella she knew what the deal was. When she decided to work witht e Feds she sealed her own fate. She chose getting whacked over doing 5 years in prison.
GWPDA - well, when lightning is striking, the lowest point is the best. A gully beats a hilltop.
That's what I mean, Tena. For us, varying between 0 and about 500' above sea level, lowest becomes moot. So, with lightning, we either get indoors or we die. A dry wash? You can get a forty mph blast of water thru one of those in the course of five minutes and you're out of the game. Fortunately, most of the east and west sides of town are riddled with dry washes so you never have to be far from someplace deadly! Know your territory, know the risks. Don't decide at high noon in June that climbing Piestewa Peak is a swell idea - or at least not unless you have the money to pay for the rescue squad to airlift you to Good Samaritan.
Now, I'm going to go have a nice swim, and take my iced sauvignon blanc with me. Some things are riskier than others.
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06.25.05 - 4:32 pm | #
Chris - I hear ya. I drove up to Gunnison last September. The sun was shining here, but by the time I got to the Blue Mesa Reservoir, there was the most incredible snowstorm coming right at me. It was black as night and the snow was like a solid wall headed for me. Scared the shit out of me.
I drove on into Gunnison and ran my errands in the snow and then called Mr. Tena. I told him that if he didn't hear from me by 7:30 PM, to call the EMTs in Lake City and tell them I was somewhere on 149.
But I drove back out of the storm on the way back up here. A thermal blanket is a real good idea.
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06.25.05 - 4:33 pm | #
...yeah, the Buscemi thing kinda went nowhere.
Glad it wasn't just me!
He gets out of jail and tries to go straight. Finds out that working for a living is hard and stressful, while the gang lives it up. Decides the thug/parasite lifestyle is more appealing, gets too greedy and bites off more than he can chew and pays the price.
and it takes at least 10-15 seconds to process the 5MB files.
Eli
takes about 1/2 an hour to process 15 to 20 images on a G4 ibook. me going the whole time, please don't crash, please don't crash. sort of feels like stepping off the edge of the Grand Canyon.
i don't think we have the best workflow figured out yet.
but the files can easily be printed into 30x40 inch posters.
all said, spork is right, digital is gay. same thing i said about cd's, but i don't own any vinyl.
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06.25.05 - 4:34 pm | #
Independents 17 75
Like I said, Bushboy is screwed - and so are his enablers in Congress.
wolf-man |
06.25.05 - 4:34 pm | #
so railey was still carrying on an affair with madame butterfly? even as his second wife was dying?
pretzelattack |
06.25.05 - 4:36 pm | #
Yep, the troll is right. There is a huge difference in the two terms. The one he claims not to have intended seems to match what he says he really meant when he said it, though. So, you see, people, he's just too ignorant to grasp the nuance of language, and therefore should be ignored in any conversation where understanding is a necessary component of the discourse.
whoren.
1. A prostitute.
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.
prostituten.
1. One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
2. One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.
Emily |
06.25.05 - 4:39 pm | #
Toby may be gone by now, but..
when President Bush, in reality, remained seated and listening to "second grade story-hour" while people like my husband were burning alive inside the World Trade Center towers, would run counter to Karl Rove's art direction and grand vision.
Actually, I've been mulling this over for the past month, thinking, what REALLY went on that morning with the presnit?
The "proprietary atrocity" is Tobe's attempt at an intellectual way of describing the 9/11 theory that the government staged the disaster. His intellect, however, is two-dimensional as we all know. The fact that he's ugly, stupid, and nobody likes him is irrelevant here.
Bush sat with the schoolchildren stunned, composed himself, and started reading again. Toby implied that Rove would have made a true spectacle of this event if there was actually planning, placing the presnit in a higher-profile venue to maximize the hype needed for later... if the atrocity WAS proprietary, then the reason for Bush being in a school, I think, is because it is a neutral place where innocence is utmost. He was "out of the way" so to speak.
The real question is...Where was Darth Cheney that morning?
Bush just kept on reading "My Pet Goat", shocked and not knowing what to do. It's pretty evident that he knew it was coming, that the 11 warning countries whom he ignored were suddenly correct, and that he realized it that moment, and there was hell to pay.
Unka KKKarl took care of that...spun the incompetency of ignoring the intelligence into a reason to grab power instead.
Toby, keep dreaming, the America you want to live in is a dictatorship, not a democracy. Democracy is too civil for you. Best get back to your fantasies of torturing people and leave us alone.
Pitchforks and Torches |
06.25.05 - 4:40 pm | #
I forget the author's name. But, as always, Google (and Amazon.co.uk) is your friend.
Other choice quotes:
"In America, you can have a telephone installed instantly, and it has nothing to do with the Post Office, either."
"All American paper money is the same size and color! Yet Americans seem to have no problems dealing with it."
If you can find a copy, it's a fun read and you learn a lot about how America is seen by the British.
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06.25.05 - 4:41 pm | #
Well, it's generally considered plenty for an 8X10 (although the aspect ratio is way off). I just got a photo printer that goes up to 13X19, and one reviewer claimed he got a good 13X19 print from a 3-megapixel image (D70 is 6), although he crunched it through some smoothing or sharpening software first.
Yup, 8x10ish, and I've found you can actually print at 200% without loss of quality. Glad to hear you're getting a larger-format printer. I'm looking at the HP 1300 and a coupla Epson models that are slick and will handle something like 19x24, plus can use glicee and archival quality inks and papers.
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06.25.05 - 4:45 pm | #
Spork, you see, but you do not observe!
[hangs head in shame]
"Coping With America"
Thanks!
Amazon.co.uk
I always order "Harry Potter" books from them. The US publisher "translates" the books into American. Ugh.
NTodd: our family experience with HP computers has been mixed, to say the least, but I can tesify to the quality of their printers, even on handmade paper manually fed through the machine.
But by all means get someone with expertise to give you the full rundown on how they compare - it may be that Epson's a better bet for pro-grade photo-printing on a large scale. Certainly I've seen references to Epson printers used in publishing design depts.
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06.25.05 - 4:49 pm | #
NTodd: our family experience with HP computers has been mixed, to say the least, but I can tesify to the quality of their printers, even on handmade paper manually fed through the machine.
But by all means get someone with expertise to give you the full rundown on how they compare - it may be that Epson's a better bet for pro-grade photo-printing on a large scale. Certainly I've seen references to Epson printers used in publishing design depts.
I agonized over HP Photosmart 8750 vs. Canon i9900 vs. Epson R1800, and while I really liked the Epson, I was worried about the fact that its printheads have a tendency to clog, and if they clog badly enough, the entire printer becomes unusable. I ended up picking the HP because there was a broad consensus that it was the best for B&W printing, except possibly the Epson R2200, which didn't sound as strong for color - plus the printhead thing.
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06.25.05 - 4:57 pm | #
Epson models
pros use the epson, well at least that's my understanding. since your back, NTodd any thoughts on the cannon 20D vs. your camera vs. the finepix s3 (which is what i want, but slightly out of my price range).
fuck it, photography is becoming gay. plan B is to attempt going to soc. work school at 45 years of age. plan C is to attempt living in the rockies where with any luck i'll be struck by lightening. i don't even want to consider hypothermia, which i'm sure is excrutiatingly painful.
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06.25.05 - 4:59 pm | #
Thea - yeah, the Epsons are always tops. Some of my favorite (film) photogs use them. The HP 1300 is their attempt eat a bit of Epson's lunch, but that's an uphill battle.
Still, I've been very pleased with my 8400 and other HPs, so I might go that way. 'course, I also have an Epson, which was also good. It might just come down to price, unless I sell a lot more prints. Ahem.
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06.25.05 - 5:02 pm | #
since your back, NTodd any thoughts on the cannon 20D vs. your camera vs. the finepix s3 (which is what i want, but slightly out of my price range).
Not a clue. My dad has a Canon, but I'm not sure which model--he loves it.
I'm lusting after the Nikon D2X, myself. [/homer drool]
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06.25.05 - 5:07 pm | #
charley sez:
fuck it, photography is becoming gay. plan B is to attempt going to soc. work school at 45 years of age. plan C is to attempt living in the rockies where with any luck i'll be struck by lightening. i don't even want to consider hypothermia, which i'm sure is excrutiatingly painful.
Blumenthal: "His defence of the abuse and torture of detainees at Guantánamo and other prisons in violation of laws formerly upheld by the US blots out his attempts to explain the purity of his motives."
Chris Tucker-
Related: "I'm a Stranger Here Myself," by Bill Bryson. American-born travel writer moves back to US, after living for 20+ years in the UK.. A good, funny read..
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06.25.05 - 5:28 pm | #
Pitchforks:
The "proprietary atrocity" is Tobe's attempt at an intellectual way of describing the 9/11 theory that the government staged the disaster. His intellect, however, is two-dimensional as we all know.
That is absolutely the worst misunderstanding of anything I've ever written here.
It is Breitweiser and her pimps in the Kerry-Edwards campaign and the DNC who think that the atrocities of 11 September 2001 belong to them. They think it's their property to exploit. Breitweiser became a shill for the campaign, spoke at the convention, and was a mover behind the Kean Commission.
Don't deceive yourself into thinking that it's the Republicans alone who exploited the events of that awful day.
Rove is right: some of the biggest names on the anti-Bush Left couldn't even bring themselves to support the War for Afghanistan. They wanted to puss out and issue indictments and try these subhumans at The Hague. Fuck that. The American people don't have to be told which party has the stuff to prosecute this war on the Islamofascists.
Toby Petzold |
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06.25.05 - 5:30 pm | #
Thanks for the lesson, Emily. It so happens that trading on one's status as a widow for the purpose of advancing defeatism (i.e., the Kerry-Edwards campaign) is "unworthy."
Toby Petzold |
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06.25.05 - 5:33 pm | #
It is Breitweiser and her pimps
You're really going to keep digging yourself in, huh?
Y'know, Toby, for the longest time I held off from flaming you. I thought, despite some of your views, you were a basically decent person. You jumped into this forum with some agreeable comments.
But you really don't get why you're being flamed for the Breitweiser comment, do you?
Toby sounds so guilty when he writes these things. Bombast being used to cover up the fear that events are outpacing him. Profanity as a means of puffing himself up. As a barometer of how things are going, his stubborn triumphalism is a reassuring sign that while they change excuses at the drop of a hat, they are sticking to the same failing game plan.
MarkC |
06.25.05 - 5:39 pm | #
Rove is right: some of the biggest names on the anti-Bush Left couldn't even bring themselves to support the War for Afghanistan.
Uh, Tob, the Afghan War was nothing but a show-biz ploy for the Bush Boy Regime to generate the rah-rah bullshit.
The Taliban melted away and laid low as did the warlords that control that region. They are back now.
Not that it matters as the Bush Boy missed the perpetrator behind 9/11- Osama bin Forgotten. And to send in the Afghanis to get Osama instead of the Americans so that bin Forgotten could get away is god damn suspicious also.
Plus, it was Orville Faubus, not Bill Fulbright. Of course, you weren't a figment of your daddy's imagination at the time...
Billy B |
06.25.05 - 5:50 pm | #
People used to make fun of Phil Dick in about 1970, but he was closer to the mark than just about anybody.
sm |
06.25.05 - 5:51 pm | #
he was taking pictures and stepped right off a cliff.
I was visiting Niagara Falls a few years ago and there's a railing near a drop off. Not right into the falls but certainly down down down.
this guy puts his little kid on the railing and steps back five feet to snap the shot!
um, hello! I hold the kids arm and point out the obvious. I think he was ticked that I ruined his photo.
earl in toronto |
06.25.05 - 6:08 pm | #
It so happens that trading on one's status as a widow for the purpose of advancing defeatism (i.e., the Kerry-Edwards....
toby pretzeled
see the thing about this statement is that it's such a 'live in the head' convoluted mess....someone really hasn't got a lot of life experience to utter such twisted silliness...and I mean silly as in 'folly'...
earl in toronto |
06.25.05 - 6:11 pm | #
American people don't have to be told which party has the stuff to prosecute this war on the Islamofascists;
Use of the term, "islamofascist" is unfortunate. It makes you look decidedly prejudiced. Do you use the term "christofascists" when referring to Randall Terry or Eric Rudolph? We could just call them fundamentalists, though there is never anything fun about them.
The edge |
06.25.05 - 6:17 pm | #
I sure wish I had the vocabulary and the prose style of James Wolcott.
I wish his stuff was on every front page across the nation.
JimPortlandOR |
06.25.05 - 6:19 pm | #
the "evil liberals" will be rounded up and martial law will be declared.
They're going to round up 60% of the American people?
I don't think so!
Terry C | 06.25.05 - 4:19 pm | #
Actually, self-proclaimed liberals only accounted for 20% of the U.S. population in a recent poll (down from 23% in an earlier poll). Although many people may be coming to the realization that the war in Iraq was a terrible idea and may even be starting to hold Bush accountable, liberals have known this all along. After the next attack, they will be made examples of to keep the rest in line.
Sorry to sound so pessimistic, but I'm aghast to see how many would prefer to pick on Troll Toby than respond to my sincere question. (Although I did peruse the Vichy France book!) Thanks!
carole |
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06.25.05 - 6:22 pm | #
If you thought Star Wars or LOTR were a good metaphor for BushWorld, wait'll you see more of Dick's novels brought to the screen.
I've been a fan of Dick since the late 70s and have read nearly everything he's written -- and he was very prolific.
But it's somewhat limiting to call our current Dickian unreality Bushworld -- it's more like Right-Wingworld, and they've been hard at work creating it since the Eighties. It's a world where Ronnie Reagan was The Great Leader, Ronaldus Maximus, who singlehandedly brought down the Evil Empire and made America feel good about itself again. Meanwhile, many of those of us in the reality-based community had long been aware that the Soviet Union had been slowly crumbling away since at least the early 70s, maybe even since Kruschev's days. At home, people in the prime of life were dying like flies from AIDS, and we had a phony economic "boom" built on a foundation of massive debt, a base that collapsed like a house of cards in the late 80s-early 90s.
Then we elected a moderate, charismatic, pragmatic center-left pol named Bill Clinton as president, and the architects of Right-Wingworld worked 24/7 to convince us that he was a wild-eyed hard-line socialist whose corruption knew no limits and who would even murder his close friends in his unquenchable lust for power. (Talk about projection.) But as time went on, and as the economy improved as a result of Clinton's fiscally sound economic policies designed to repair the damage caused by 12 years of voodoo, more and more people tuned out the propaganda barrage and began thinking for themselves.
I gotta admit that I often have doubts about the American people's resistance to Right-Wingworld's 24/7 propaganda barrage, because it often does work (e.g., the runup to the Iraq War). So no one was more surprised than I was when the reaction to the release of Clinton's grand jury testimony about Monica was not plummeting approval ratings into the 20s but rather a spike into the 70s.
monchie b. monchum |
06.25.05 - 6:37 pm | #
Bush and sobriety aren't two words I'd ever use in the same sentence unless I'd insert "lack of" somewhere between them.
ugly bag of mostly water |
06.25.05 - 6:41 pm | #
Bush just kept on reading "My Pet Goat", shocked and not knowing what to do..........
in response to this I might suggest that reading 'My Pet Goat'was quite deliberate and bought some time allowing for the second ......
nah, impossible.
earl in toronto |
06.25.05 - 6:55 pm | #
so this Islamofascist and this Christianfascist and this Jewishfascist walk into a bar right...
earl in toronto |
06.25.05 - 6:56 pm | #
you fail to understand that many of us are serving our countries war on terror by coaching little league, volunteering at church, and praying for the wayward.
and jerking off to paris hilton videos.
so you handle the combat part and we'll do the planning.
young republican |
06.25.05 - 7:16 pm | #
They're going to round up 60% of the American people?
I don't think so!
Terry C | 06.25.05 - 4:19 pm | #
Actually, self-proclaimed liberals only accounted for 20% of the U.S. population in a recent poll (down from 23% in an earlier poll). Although many people may be coming to the realization that the war in Iraq was a terrible idea and may even be starting to hold Bush accountable, liberals have known this all along. After the next attack, they will be made examples of to keep the rest in line.
The 60% I'm talking about are the people who are against this war of Bush's.
Again, I don't thik they can go after 60% of the population.
And, yes, you are WAY too pessmistic!
Terry C |
06.25.05 - 7:44 pm | #
It so happens that trading on one's status as a widow for the purpose of advancing defeatism is "unworthy."
Toby Petzold |
As opposed to using the people killed on 9/11 to further a sick agenda?
Terry C |
06.25.05 - 7:46 pm | #
"As a New Yorker, the lower Bush's
poll numbers get the more I get
nervous about something going
kaboom real loudly.
As an ex-New Yorker (well, Long Island actually) you're not alone in that feeling.
Pere Ubu"
Nah - it'll be on the West Coast THIS time.
After all, AH-nuld is in trouble in Cally-FORN-yah.
Hell, 9-11 worked for the Repugs when Preznit Asshole's numbers dipped too low. Karl Rove is probably calling Osama right now!
Terry C |
06.25.05 - 7:53 pm | #
I would imagine the result of the poll showing 60% of Americans oppose the Iraq illegal invasion is a result of this more than anything:
Baby boomers and their offspring, memories of another bs occupation, and the word Draft.
I know it works for me.
farang |
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06.26.05 - 2:20 am | #
Just for the record: If any of you have ever worn a safety harness, it gives the same "Enhancing Effects" as Bush's jump suit did. You don't need to stuff anything in there: It makes all men look like Johnny Wadd. Think of it as the male version of a "pushup bra".
I am sure they knew that, too.
farang |
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06.26.05 - 2:25 am | #
Another Bush Lackey who owes their soul to Bush! We can expect her to go along with Nazi Roberts and they will be the Bush Nazi duo in the Supreme Court for the rest my natural life (retired) It is but another sad day for America as this country slips out of a Democracy and into the Fascist Nazi state Bush had conspired for in the Skull and Bones Society. There is hardly any hope now in the highest court of the land that is now ruled by those in allegiance to the Bush Right Wing Neo Con White House!
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