I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Hah-fuck bush and cheney!
No blood at the end of the trail?
Well then, what's the point?
So, "tons of questions" merit "aggressive coverage"? Really? Regardless of who the questions are about?
Well then, what's the point?
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Apparently, hearing their own noise.
Just a short comment, which is that if the investigations didn't lead any place, then it's not really accurate to keep calling them scandals.
But . . . there was still payback to had for Hillary's "I don't stay home and bake cookies" comment.
The president lying the country into war isn't a scandal, tho - we all knew that's what he was doing, ya see.
Fuck Rove with 25 inches of stallion.
Agressive coverage this.
Another Day in Paradise, Day 831 - The Last Throes
so by Washington journalism standards, reporting scurrilous rumors is good reporting, but reporting facts is borrrrinng.
gotcha.
Just a short comment, which is that if the investigations didn't lead any place, then it's not really accurate to keep calling them scandals.
Dave J. | 06.25.05 - 7:29 pm | #
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Fuckin A.
...and now we can't get them to leave the bar to cover any anything short of a missing white girl...
But, wait...
If we scream long and hard enough, they'll start "aggressively reporting" again-- as soon as we have a Democratic Majority and President.
Guaranteed.
It's the only thing that makes them want to step away from the Kool-Aid bar for any length of time.
Tony B.
so by Washington journalism standards, reporting scurrilous rumors is good reporting, but reporting facts is borrrrinng.
the juicier the rumor, the better.
oh, and the rumor has to pertain to Democrats only.
Why didn't the media do that shit for Iraq?
Mr. Harris looks like he is in serious need of kick in the nuts.
Damn the trolls,
Meanwhile, a war that a cowardly, deserting fucktard launched because he fucking felt like it and lied to justify it deserves absolutely no mention at all by the stenographers.
These asswipes will wonder even as the ducks are nibbling their worthless hides what it was that could have possibly gotten them into that predicament.
Why didn't the media do that shit for Iraq?
I am sure they would if Hillary went to Iraq and had a lesbian affair.
Why didn't the media do that shit for Iraq?
Peanut
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Because they wanted it too Peanut. Our media is almost as corrupt as our "government"
But, thank goodness, they're not a scandal-obsessed press corps any more -- unless the scandal is John Kerry's disgraceful military record.
Hey, why deal with the way Bush & Co are fucking this country over when you can talk about 1996?
I don't have "tons of questions"; I only have one.
Not that anyone's gonna answer it, of course. Or even ask it.
so by Washington journalism standards, reporting scurrilous rumors is good reporting, but reporting facts is borrrrinng.
the juicier the rumor, the better.
But a gay male prostitute in the White House does nothing for them?
In the '96 campaign, after Bob Dole broke through the fence barrier at a rally and fell headlong onto the ground still grasping his pen, the media turned out the lights.
Though, you can kind of see, in the moment, why journalists would spend time on it. Chasing big seeming stories that don't pan out is part of the job.
" Meanwhile, a war that a cowardly, deserting fucktard launched because he fucking felt like it and lied to justify it deserves absolutely no mention at all by the stenographers."
--Gary Frazier
Dishonest = good
Honest = weak
I'm so sick of this. It is so wrong and so bad for our country I want to spit.
Just a short comment, which is that if the investigations didn't lead any place, then it's not really accurate to keep calling them scandals.
but it is factesque and factesque is where it's at!
Well after all, of what consequence is lying the country into a war that's costing thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars, when measured against the specter of [gasp] the President engaging in consensual sexual activity with an intern!
Why, it's the difference between a few innocent sips of 2% beer and mainlining heroin!
Thank God we've got courageous reporters like Fat Timmeh and Dean Broder who 'get it'. I shudder to think what kind of horrific shape the country would be in if we didn't.
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"So you've got a president who was lying about (his affair with a former intern) leading this nation into an unprecedented, increasingly unpopular war that has so far killed 1,700 troops and made Iraq a hotbed of terrorism and (an independent council investigation brewing at a furious pace) an arrogantly secretive administration who has tried to obstruct the truth from ever seeing the light of day and a leaked memo from the British government proving he lied leading to (an impeachment --) absolutely nothing, no investigation, no curiosity among the press because (that's a pretty big damn story.) it's not a story at all. Well, OK, it is, but if we report it, we'll lose our access and cushy six-figure press corps jobs So, yeah, (I covered that without apology.) I'm not touching it and I don't give a shit - I've got a townhouse in Georgetown and cool beltway cocktail parties to go to."
john harris is a thimblewitted wanker...keeeerist, that was worth a whole column? wtf, slow news week?
tons of issues? gimme a fuckin break? NOT A GODDAM WEEK HAS GONE BY SINCE JAN, 2001 WHEN THE BUSHISTAS HAVEN'T BUTTFUCKED THE CONSTITUTION. Issues? what issues anywhere in Clenis' administration come close to to the criminality in which the Busheviks so lavishly bathe daily?
and is he suggesting that the Chimp's nearly 5-year honeymoon was a consequence Chimpy's ability to step back and distance himself from his tragic incompetence?
this mutherfocker needs a major dose of HOAP™
nobody that stupid should be writing on prison toiletpaper, to say nothing of the national stage, for fuck's sake...
waddafuckwit!!!!!
Nothing much has changed since '96. Still would rather chase tabloid stories & rumors.
which is that if the investigations didn't lead any place, then it's not really accurate to keep calling them scandals
Let's compare Whitewater and Watergate, shall we?
Can you Pass the Kooky Karl Kwiz?
Go visit DemocraticUnderground and take the test. This is awesome!
Just a short comment, which is that if the investigations didn't lead any place, then it's not really accurate to keep calling them scandals.
Dave J. 7:29 pm
a fine point, sir...
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Nother quote from Shit-for-Brains Harris posted by Kevin Drum (who lack of comment shows he has his head in his ass on this one):
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It was a drag. I don't think most people realized — I'm sure I don't speak for everybody — but I speak for a lot of my colleagues, at least in print, that the whole thing was a drag. We weren't getting into journalism to cover fellatio. I tend to think our actual source of resentment was really toward Clinton himself. Why does he make such a mess of his life in ways that intersect with his public responsibilities such that here we are, spending the whole year writing about blue dresses?
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Were they angry at Clinton for getting a blow job, or just jealous? This country is neck deep, drowning in necon shit because this crew of journalists aren't doing their job.
Why didn't the media do that shit for Iraq?
Because they were too busy jockeying for embedded positions on the lead Humvee's for the march into Baghdad.
" Why didn't the media do that shit for Iraq?"
--Peanut
Me thinks the media is owned by the corporate interests that are beholdened to the republican party. So wrong and so sad. And it will fail. Ultimately, it will fail. But we will all suffer nonetheless. Fuckity, fuck fuck.
How does, say, Steno Sue Schmitt live with herself?
Seriously.
I'm not talking ideology; I'm talking questions.
When I see something I ask questions in order to learn. I like to know things.
The D.C. Press "corpse" really doesn't care.
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Jebus...Nancy Grace w/Timmeh on the teevee. blech. Who can watch more than 15 seconds of her disingenuine crap? blech blech blech.
It is no coincidence that Ken Starr and Karl Rove look eerily similar.
Fat-necked, balding Republican albinos are born to piss in the community water supply.
Why didn't the media do that shit for Iraq?
Because they were too busy jockeying for embedded positions on the lead Humvee's for the march into Baghdad.
Richard Cranium
And they knew the war stood to put fat on their asses - a once-in-a-lifetime shot to become the next Scud Stud.
Gary Frazier, mer, and nattering nabob - the background issue each of you refer to is an imbalance in shame and the lack of any rational sense of proportion with regards to it. I posted on that very subject last night. Being too new to having a blog and inept with links, I can't link directly to it but it's the second post on my page. Check it out if you like.
but it is factesque and factesque is where it's at! - renato
As my contribution to our service economy, I'm going to open a factique, postioned for the high end of the factesque afficianado market.
Jebus...Nancy Grace w/Timmeh on the teevee. blech. Who can watch more than 15 seconds of her disingenuine crap? blech blech blech.
Can we just put the gatekeepers of conventional wisdom in a freaking rubber hotel yet?
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Jennifer, Scottie would only say that there was no, one, defining moment. It was a tsunami of moments.
I'm beginning to think like they think.
Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooo.
I hang my head in shame as I admit that I thought, at one point during the 90's, that John Harris was a decent reporter. Of course this was before Monica.
Eating chocolate, that'll atone for my sin, correct?
Me thinks the media is owned by the corporate interests that are beholdened to the republican party.
that's only half-true, imho...
the other half is that the owners of the media are also the owners of the 'republican' party...the corporations are effectively beholden to no one, and becoming more (or is it less?) so...the republican party is OWNED by corporate intersts. If it weren't for the billions in free ideological propaganda which the corporations provide through the media, there'd actually probably a two-party system in the country...
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an hour long Cops on Fox tonight!
"...waddafuckwit!!!!!"
--WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka...)
I must say, WGG, that you do have a way with words. And I appreciate it.
NOT A GODDAM WEEK HAS GONE BY SINCE JAN, 2001 WHEN THE BUSHISTAS HAVEN'T BUTTFUCKED THE CONSTITUTION.
It's called Operation Make the Eagle Sore.
Clinton doesn't view himself that way. There's nothing detached about him, he's immersed in his performance. He is dead earnest about his own ambition and sense of purpose, and so anything that questions his motives or looks for political motive -- as there almost always is -- he just resents it. I think that when the focus was on what he was really doing -- he said X but his real agenda was Y -- he viscerally reacts against it.
Well, gosh all fish hooks. A politician who is concerned and dead earnest about what he's doing. One who actually imagines what he's doing is important!
Golly. That can't be right....
It was a tsunami of moments.
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You are right to scream, I think.
Why, all of a sudden, this mass-reminiscing about the Clenis? Oh, yeah, cuz there's nothing scandalous going on at the moment.
If you'd like to vomit, check out the video link on CNN.com called "Lewinsky & 2000 election".
Warning: contains graphic scenes of The Beard, Linda Tripp, Bill Hummer and Katherine Harris.
WGG,
You've published several trademarked acronyms of late. Sad to say by deciphering skills have failed me. Do you have a listing of them someplace?
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pie - well at least someone should make Scottie say that embarrassing BS. But I'd really like to see the question thrown at Chimpy himself, because we'd get another "I can't think of any mistakes I've made" type of response.
(and thanks for checking out my bit. What's going on with the house-selling and moving?)
The White House was unbelievably resentful -- they thought it was much ado about nothing, they thought that this was a scandal-obsessed press corps.
This sounds like someone who's making excuses before the shitstorm hits.
...the corporations are effectively beholden to no one...
*That* should be bezeled into the US Supreme Court building's marble portico.
Stories like this do nothing good for my bloodpressure. You know, there are a lot of questions about whether Diebold stole this last election. Have they followed those stories obsessively to see if, in the end, they don't seem to lead anywhere? No.
Come the revolution, I'd like to see examples made of some of these fools.
watching Network.
Stinky - you ought to copyright that shit.
I'm crying here.
I know Michael Kinsley has lately turned into a dangerous dope, and I know the Clintons were unfairly harassed. But when it comes to Clinton the robo-financer, I quote Kinsley: "The scandal isn't what's illegal; it's what's legal." That's what Clinton did collecting plenty from Chinese and Japanese and Korean subsidiaries formed in the US for the precise purpose of evading FEC laws. And he took plenty from military contractors too.
Whatever praise you might want to give Clinton, especially in contrast to the current crooks, don't mistake him for a model of ethics.
Thanks Atrios for the new preview button. I might have fewer typos. Might.
Dammitdammitdammit!
I cannot stay on any thread because of all the interruptions!
Forgive me, I'm venting.
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f'n assholes. i'm so sick of hearing about clinton. didn't like him, thought he was a sociopath, but an affable good sort of sociopath. liked the power, prestige, a blowjob. i'm cool with that.
now we have full blown meglamaniac, surrounded by bloodthirsty psychopaths in the white house, and what do we get, ass kisssing, war enabling sycophants.
on Sociopathy
sorry, i realize some people liked clinton. he was smart, that should be prerequisite.
if the democrats were smart they could use this italian story to demolish the fiction that bushco knows what they are doing in the war on terror.
the lawlessness of this administration has reached such levels, that one of this country's staunchest allies on the war on terror has taken the unprecedented step of indicting 13 cia agents on charges of kidnapping; and trials of suspected terrorists in spain and germany have been stymied because of this administration's refusal to cooperate with their authorities.
In Italy, Anger at U.S. Tactics Colors Spy Case
By STEPHEN GREY and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
MILAN, June 25 - The extraordinary decision by an Italian judge to order the arrest of 13 people linked to the Central Intelligence Agency in the case of the kidnapping of a terrorism suspect dramatizes a growing rift between American counterterrorism officials and their counterparts in Europe.
The arrest warrants, requested by prosecutors and the police and signed Wednesday, accused the 13 of seizing an Egyptian cleric on a Milan street two years ago and flying him to Egypt for questioning. The whereabouts of the 13 are unknown, but the charges are criminal. If convicted, they face a maximum penalty of 10 years and 8 months in prison.
The C.I.A. has declined to comment, and officials at the American consulate in Milan and the American Embassy in Rome have also declined to talk about the case.
European frustration with American tactics focuses on two main points.
First, the United States has allowed the C.I.A. to pursue a policy of renditions - abducting terror suspects from foreign countries and taking them to third countries that are known to use torture. That has rankled senior European counterterrorism officials, who have continued to try to build criminal cases against terrorism suspects through surveillance, wiretaps, detective work and the criminal justice system.
European officials also partly blame a lack of access to terrorism suspects and information held by the United States for their failure to convict a number of their own high-profile terrorism suspects.
"The American system is of little use to us," said a senior Italian counterterrorism investigator. "It's a one-way street. We give them what we have, but we are given no useful information that can help us prosecute people."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/
2...agewanted=print
A politician who is concerned and dead earnest about what he's doing. One who actually imagines what he's doing is important!
Golly. That can't be right....
No, not at all. Governatin' should be about the money and the power, not about the people, I think Lincoln put it best at Gettysburg:
".....that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the money, by the money, for the money shall not perish from the earth."
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Sorry if this was already discussed, but been cleaning/baking/gym-ing:
How nice of Pryor to "follow the law."
>b?11th Circuit's Pryor Calls Abortion 'Evil' but Says He'll Follow Laws
By Eliott C. McLaughlin and Jonathan Ringel
Federal appeals Judge William H. Pryor Jr., whose fierce opposition to abortion prompted a two-year fight over his Senate confirmation, said Wednesday that "it'd certainly be wrong for a Catholic lawyer or judge to do something to advance a grave evil like abortion."
Pryor, who two weeks ago won a narrow Senate confirmation to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, was answering a question about how Catholic lawyers should approach Roe v. Wade. He had just delivered an address to the St. Thomas More Society, a Catholic lawyers group that invited him to speak for its luncheon meeting at the offices of Smith, Gambrell & Russell.
(snip)
If anyone's looking for me, I'll be running a safehouse for Gilead escapees.
"...psychopaths have little difficulty infiltrating the domains of...politics, law enforcement, (and) government." Dr. Robert Hare
Watertiger,
Can I come?
moonbootica sez:
watching Network.
A satire when it was released.
Now it's a documentary.
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And when I think about it, at least 80% (a guess) of the Democrats are owned by the corporations too.
Jennifer, at least, people are looking again. I'll keep you posted.
And don't give georgie's handlers any ideas. They'll come up with a non-answer faster than you can say...
Worst. President. Evah.
Hecate,
I'll probably need help. 
Clinton had lots of charisma.
Come the revolution, I'd like to see examples made of some of these fools.
Hecate - there are a few of the old ways I was taught by my Irish grandmama that might be useful.... Care to give them a go?
A satire when it was released.
Now it's a documentary.
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I was wondering if anyone's seen it on , um, teevee lately?
If anyone's looking for me, I'll be running a safehouse for Gilead escapees.
New Underground Railroad, anyone?
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spork_incident ~ so true, its almost scary what TV is about today.
old ways I was taught by my Irish grandmama
Ohhh, yeah!
watching Network.
Pray tell, what channel?
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Federal appeals Judge William H. Pryor Jr., whose fierce opposition to abortion prompted a two-year fight over his Senate confirmation, said Wednesday that "it'd certainly be wrong for a Catholic lawyer or judge to do something to advance a grave evil like abortion."
Sounds familiar: Pope Ratso Ritzi's ultimatum to the Spanish.
Easy solution. Stay away from Catholic lawyers.
Sky Cinema 1 is showing Network here in GB.
I watched JFK last night.
Vichy paid "journalists" to hype the Vichy revolution.
I think one would be hard-pressed to find a politician in D.C. who doesn't have sociopathological tendencies.
Or at least megalomaniacal ones.
At some point, it stops being about public service and starts being about self-service.
Because they were too busy jockeying for embedded positions on the lead Humvee's for the march into Baghdad.
Richard Cranium | Homepage | 06.25.05 - 7:50 pm
ANOTHER fine point, sir!
Kent™ Embigulator: Pray tell, what channel?
Sounds like a job for Jeff Fisher!
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maybe Politicans should have mental health screenings.
Because they were too busy jockeying for embedded positions on the lead Humvee's for the march into Baghdad.
Yeah, just ask David Bloom and Michael Kelly.
Oh, the glory.
If anyone's looking for me, I'll be running a safehouse for Gilead escapees.
watertiger -- 8:04 pm
me and a couple of the other fellas can pull perimeter; i figger it couldn't hurt...
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Moonbootica: maybe Politicans should have mental health screenings.
It'd be nice if they could even just audit, "pass/fail."
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I'm going to go devil me some eggs. That's enough for me, tonight, too early I know.
Anybody need any refuge, there's always the Casa de los Salamanquesas, here, in Phoenix, yclept Hoodzo. There's a pool!
[Posted down below just as this thread opened]
Hey, Watertiger! I gave you (and Attaturk and grytpype) some props on my blog
Diane
me and a couple of the other fellas can pull perimeter; i figger it couldn't hurt...
That's all it would take.
Stinky - you ought to copyright that shit.
I'm crying here.
Jennifer
Me too.
Whatever praise you might want to give Clinton, especially in contrast to the current crooks, don't mistake him for a model of ethics.
Clenis survived an 8-year witchunt with Ken Starr the peeping porn obsessed sociopath not to mention investigation after pain-staking investigation with wingnuts just waiting to hang him on the smallest thing and they found nothing. Except that Monica Lewinsky gave the guy a blow job - no one died and it sure as hell didn't cost the taxpayers $1 billion a week.
Compared to the current administration, Clenis is a fucking saint.
I watched JFK last night.
Y'know what? I think "JFK" is a completely brilliant movie. I think it's one of the great movies in a filmmking sense.
But as a student of history I think it's an offence. Damaging.
I've never been able to reconcile my artist self with my logical self about this movie.
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I just have to say, that a certain Historian's, spicy pickled vegetables
make a delicious martini.
Mmmmmmmmmmmm,
thanks, GWPDA.
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Stinky - you ought to copyright that shit.
I'm crying here.
Jennifer
Me too.
Tena
We're here all week, folks. Take my wife, please! (badda boom)
The American system is of little use to us," said a senior Italian counterterrorism investigator. "It's a one-way street. We give them what we have, but we are given no useful information that can help us prosecute people."
bkny | 06.25.05 - 8:03 pm
that tooo funny.
the italians object to USer fazscist tactics...
irony just gave a small twitch...
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I tend to think our actual source of resentment was really toward Clinton himself.
He was clearly not one of the anointed class. That's why he was dubbed the "first black president".
You could easily see, step for step, and note for note, exactly the turn out would have been for the true first black president.
Look for the same for a woman, or for a Jew.
The freak factor was Clinton's charisma and intelligence. Impressed the hell out of the rest of us, and left his foes (the VRWC) with a popularity gap that they couldn't cheat their way out of.
See Azimov's Foundation and his character, The Mule, whose psychic abilities to affect the masses, could not be predicted.
spork_incident ~ I just enjoyed it as a good with nice editing movie.
*a good movie with nice editing
Diane,
Thanks, amiga!
And here, since I haven't blogwhored today...
Damn Jeffraham,
Thanks for that station locater link.
and Happy belated!
and BTW does anyone else think that Keaton, Buster was one of the finest actors of all time.
He is on the list of folks to have a sit down with, if I ever get the time machine off the ground.
I am pretty sure that the gag fest that would ensue would be at least worth a thousand crunches, abdomenically speaking, that is.
Compared to the current administration, Clenis is a fucking saint.
He was a President.
spork, cf the American Well-Done Propaganda in the Fifties: Trial, Crisis, Ransom, Take the High Ground, The FBI Styory, The Court Martial of Billy Mitchell (unbelievably awful dialog), the bit with the airline hijackers with James Mason, (not remembering but it's also one word) and Twelve Angry Men. All full of shit and all very well made. Also we have certain problems with The Caine Mutiny (Bogey and Ferrer are great of course but Wouk has got to go). Exactly how can a captain allow himself to be totally out of control of his vessel twice and still be the real victim?
Because by that point in the film we're supposed to have be blasted by enough of that unforgiveable soundtrack to have lost our faculties?
me and a couple of the other fellas can pull perimeter; i figger it couldn't hurt...
Count me in!!!!!!!.
The Clenis is a guy who you could invited round for a cup of tea, he had a lot of charm thats for sure.
hey spork_incident,
please elaborate on the jfk film how you see it and the conflict it presents to you
And here, since I haven't blogwhored today...
watertiger
Yet another Depends moment...
I was a teen when Network was first shown in theaters. I loved movies and saw about two or three a week. Network had a great buzz and I knew Paddy Chayevsky was a great screenwriter.
Nevertheless, the movie was a bit of a disappointment. The satire seemed too obvious; I was a teen who'd stopped reading MAD magazine a few years earlier, and the absurdities in Network seemed like repeats of MAD's easy satire. It never occurred to me that Network would come true, since I figured newspeople would be embarrassed, and news exuctives wouldn't be so obvious.
kent - Keaton was one of my heroes. I wouldn't take up too much room in the time machine....
Kent™ Embigulator: Thanks for that station locater link.
and Happy belated!
Many welcomes, kind sir. TitanTV was something I ran across when I was gainfully employed (in the dank, dark past) and considering the construction of a Linux-based TiVo-like home entertainment server. Their XML feed makes an excellent free TV Guide™.
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See Azimov's Foundation and his character, The Mule, whose psychic abilities to affect the masses, could not be predicted.
Meander,
One of my alltime favorite reads.
Acronyms
D-S H™ = Dime-Sized Hole
HOAP™ = Head On A Pike
P'EUAFB™ = Push 'Em Under A Fucking Bus
P'EDASS™ = Push 'Em Down A Steep Stairwell
there'll probably be more of 'em as my rage increases...
by the way, i had a really great day at the Corrales Lavendar Festival today...braided a couple of stems of lavendar into my beard, the blooms under my nostrils...it was pretty cool...
I tend to think our actual source of resentment was really toward Clinton himself.
that's it right there. clinton was poor, white-trash who, with his wife, were smarter and more successful than any of the wdc establishment and the clintons refused to defer to them when they went to dc.
the thing that really just grates on the tweetys and fat tims though -- clinton charmed their wives.
A satire when it was released.
Now it's a documentary.
spork on network, speaking of sociopaths i just heard novak say goodbye from the the capital gang. i say good riddance.
old ways I was taught by my Irish grandmama
Ohhh, yeah!
it's that irish thing that makes you a witch, isn't it?
i remember that about my grandfather.
He is on the list of folks to have a sit down with, if I ever get the time machine off the ground.
Odd you should mention "time machine"... Keaton was in a great old "Twilight Zone" episode where his time machine came into the (1960s) present... the "past" sequences were presented as silent, the "modern" had sound.
Norman McLeod directed, IIRC...
At some point, it stops being about public service and starts being about self-service.
watertiger
like those 'modern' gas stations now where you have to get out of the car yourself...am i going to have to write my own damn laws next?
Woody - I love the smell of lavender. Sounds like a lovely festival.
by the way, i had a really great day at the Corrales Lavendar Festival today...braided a couple of stems of lavendar into my beard, the blooms under my nostrils...it was pretty cool...
woody you hippie!
like those 'modern' gas stations now where you have to get out of the car yourself...am i going to have to write my own damn laws next?
Yeah, the two are related.
WGG,
Can I have an I HOAP franchise in DC?
Thanks for the vocab sheet.
Woody - you can always send me lavender you know....
And watertiger, Hecate: This might make a good outpost. Or don't forget this. Of course the chaps would have to increase their permiter considerably. Particularly when we had to go down to Spokane to Trader Joe's.
charley more pissed off by the: speaking of sociopaths i just heard novak say goodbye from the the capital gang. i say good riddance.
Who?
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Wgg,
If I find a hemp festival, can I borrow your beard?
Draco: we have also noticed that most "satire" (and all mainstream political garbage, see porn for Clinton Democrats, the West Wing) sucks and it's only the freaky stuff (say, Vonnegut, Ellison or Dick, none of which are officially classified as "satire") that counts. The function of satire is to call bullshit and the function of psdeudosatire is to bullshit while disarming while appearing to call bullshit. Watch the South Park episode where Walmart's slavery-based prices are not explained once, even though it makes a great satirical point in and of itself and takes one second to do: how can that not be bullshit?
k & y:
Thanks.
I have no idea what you wrote but, thanks.
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speaking of sociopaths i just heard novak say goodbye from the the capital gang. i say good riddance.
Really.
Hmmmmmmm. Must be the hip is acting up.
Meander,
One of my alltime favorite reads.
Kent™ Embigulator
Indeed. And Azimov's discussion on mass psychology (psycho-history) is precient and instructive to those of us who watch the media.
woody you hippie!
earl in toronto ==8:29 pm
from almost the very beginning, pardner...i got out of service in '68, and it was already fait accompli...
and ever more...
GWPDA,
I'm liking the Twin Butte site. Plenty of space for additional outbuildings.
TitanTV was something I ran across when I was gainfully employed (in the dank, dark past) and considering the construction of a Linux-based TiVo-like home entertainment server. Their XML feed makes an excellent free TV Guide™.
JP,
I have thought about setting one of those up as well, but as the list of projects here at the Berglund Institute of Technology is long enough for at least 3 or 4 lifetimes, it, like the time machine, may never be completed........
so lets see if we have this straight:
with Clinton there was no news that they felt compelled to obsess over even though they really would have preferred to report on something else.
with the bushcriminal, there's all manner of outrageous news (too numerous to list) arising from the bushcriminal regime's propensity to lie about everything that they, "the Media" feel disinclined to pursue.
go figure.
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see porn for Clinton Democrats, the West Wing)
And the next president is...
Clinton Democrats? Jesus.
Clinton saw reporters as slackers and bullies? I bet he saw them as stupid, too. Harris: Exhibit 1. God, I actually blush alone in front of my computer reading about this preening fool.
Woody - you can always send me lavender you know....
done and done...
i have yr snailmail, i b'lieve, but to be safe, email me... how much would you desire?
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Sure you wouldnt like Beaver Mines? Just for the name?
I'm with you tho. I think, after Canada Day, providing there's naught else interfering, I'm going to toddle up and see what's going. Arthur can stay home and play with our neighbor.
a book I recommend is Market Forces by Richard Morgan
Set roughly 30 years into the future, it follows up and coming executive Chris Faulkner as he plunges into the profitable field of conflict investment. Shorn Associates and other major corporations invest in rebel armies, totalitarian dictatorships, freedom fighters, and terrorists by selling weapons and services in exchange for a percentage of a state's GNP.
and BTW does anyone else think that Keaton, Buster was one of the finest actors of all time.
Keaton was inimitable.
As was Harold Lloyd, whose heirs are being snotty as shit about letting anyone younger than 70 learn about his genius.
Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle brought millions of dollars to the Adolph Zukor studios in the 1910's. When he was brought up on charges of raping the virginal (yet police blotter whorish) Virginia Rappe in S.F's Saint Francis Hotel, Zukor completely gave over to the notoriously corrupt DA. Zukor knew that his prize money producer was tainted, even on suspicion of rape, so he vilified in the Hearst papers his once golden goose..
Arbuckle, after three ghastly run trials was aquitted of rape in 1928.
The reason? He was impotent. He told an interviewer that he would rather have hung for rape than let it become common knowledge that he couldn't produce a boner.
Arbuckle died a supremely broken man in 1930.
Hooray for Hollywood.
Zack - I thought he was accused of raping her with a foreign object.
from almost the very beginning, pardner...i got out of service in '68, and it was already fait accompli...
well woody you'd appreciate this then: I recently picked up an album of the fugs........ with allan ginsberg outside the pentagon chanting...
but my turntable no longer works!
Wgg,
If I find a hemp festival, can I borrow your beard?
bo - 8:31 pm
it's always a hemp fistival in my beard, brother...
just sayin'
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BTW, what is it with Texas?
Texas Officials Admit Jackpots Inflated
By LIZ AUSTIN,
AUSTIN, Texas - Lottery officials admitted Friday they knew ticket sales would not cover an advertised $8 million Lotto Texas jackpot this month, meaning a winner would not have collected the full amount.
The Texas Lottery Commission used the inflated number for the June 8 drawing to generate interest and get more people to play even though staff reports estimated sales could only cover $6.5 million, manager Robert Tirloni told commissioners.
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Woody, I've shut things down here for now - to-morrow, and to-morrow and to-morrow....
Why can't Ron Reagan run for some office? He seems to get it, and he wouldn't be a pussy like some Dems we know. He probably doesn't want the aggravation.
avatars do really evil things to terminals on citrix servers. long threads shake violently as they load.
Too bad they'll just find something else for novakula to do.
The man should be put in a rocket and shot into the center of the sun.
That's the only way I'd ever believe he was truly dead and gone.
Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle brought millions of dollars to the Adolph Zukor studios in the 1910's. When he was brought up on charges of raping the virginal (yet police blotter whorish) Virginia Rappe in S.F's Saint Francis Hotel, Zukor completely gave over to the notoriously corrupt DA. Zukor knew that his prize money producer was tainted, even on suspicion of rape, so he vilified in the Hearst papers his once golden goose..
so the rap for raping Rappe was false.
earl in toronto asks:
please elaborate on the jfk film how you see it and the conflict it presents to you
Alright, back in the 80's I fell for the "JFK" conspiracy crowd. I read all the books (though I didn't attend conventions) then one day I guess I went a book too far: it was all bullshit.
By spreading "conspiracy theory" Oliver Stone has done a disservice. By arguing, "but it could be true!" he's in the same league with Uri Geller and the Creationists.
I'm a skeptic; maybe too so. But I don't like when artists fuck with history.
And I'm an artist.
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bo: avatars do really evil things to terminals on citrix servers. long threads shake violently as they load.
All the more reason for Advanced Browsing Capabilities Programs. Get thee to Firefox!
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BTW, what is it with Texas?
I suspect it's an evil vortex of aliens and fundies that are psychically damaging the state.
Tena - supposedly a wine bottle.
with Clinton there was no news that they felt compelled to obsess over even though they really would have preferred to report on something else.
Yeah, right. The press pretended everything Clinton did was a scandal (bullshit like "travelgate" cow futures, etc.) and minor shit like starting a phoney WAR and rendering and torturing suspects bores them to tears. Oy farking vey.
The liberal media sure buried the news of Clinton's rape of Juanita Broderick, with NBC just barely touching on it after his impeachment hearings. Well, at least Clinton doesn't drown his rape victims ala Teddy Kennedy, so I guess that's a plus - to liberals.
a book I recommend is Market Forces by Richard Morgan
... Shorn Associates and other major corporations invest in rebel armies, totalitarian dictatorships, freedom fighters, and terrorists by selling weapons and services in exchange for a percentage of a state's GNP.
Moonbootica -8:37 pm
Ever read Sheep Look Up, by John Bruner?
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The man should be put in a rocket and shot into the center of the sun.
Yeah, but then his evil would mix with the solar rays and create some sort of fucked-up magnetic disruption here.
Keaton was in a great old "Twilight Zone" episode where his time machine came into the (1960s) present... the "past" sequences were presented as silent, the "modern" had sound.
Dave,
I love that episode. I am pretty sure that the TZ, and Serling had a positively corrupting influence on my young and active imagination.
Not interested in starting anything, but I would choose to hang out with Buster K, before the esteemed Charley Chaplin.
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Watertiger,
If you're still here, love the tiger in water. And it's always good to see my pal Arthur gracing the internets.
Anybody want some really good tech?
bo: avatars do really evil things to terminals on citrix servers. long threads shake violently as they load.
All the more reason for Advanced Browsing Capabilities Programs. Get thee to Firefox! - Jeffraham Prestonian
No problem, all I have to do is get at the Library's server. Sure they'd let me if I asked nice.
;^)
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Key quite in the link:
"I don't know the Bush White House nearly as well as I knew Clinton's White House, and I don't know the president at all, but just from observation it seems to me that Bush is able to pretty well disconnect from it. He doesn't like his motives being questioned, either, but [he's not] as reactive as Clinton. Clinton had the worst of both ends; he took the press seriously and did resent it, and yet he also wasn't able to remove himself from it."
Translation: "Bush has totally stonewalled the press. And because of that I don't have to criticize him -- because how can you criticize what you don't know? At the same time I can feel free to criticize Clinton by comparasion. I'm a tool. Nothing more. Do you want me to lay on my stomach or should I throw my legs over my head?"
But I don't like when artists fuck with history.
Spork - do you have the same problem with Disney then? 'Cause I have real problems with them. They distort the soul out of every damn thing they touch, and their history is for shit.
Larry Mantel of AirTalk the other day had Harris on. Mantel claimed 'For those who found the Clinton autobiography burdensome, and want a more objective view of the Clintons, this is the book you should read.' I almost puked. Switched the station. And wrote a very unpleasant email later.
So boring, these clenis obsessed trolls.
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson features avatars
a plot summary:
The story takes place in a semi-America of the future, where corporatization, franchising, and the economy in general have spun wildly out of control. Snow Crash depicts the absence of a central powerful state; in its place, corporations have taken over the traditional roles of government, including dispute resolution and national defense.
BTW, what is it with Texas?
I suspect it's an evil vortex of aliens and fundies that are psychically damaging the state. - four legs good
and not vice versa?
The whereabouts of the 13 are unknown, but the charges are criminal. If convicted, they face a maximum penalty of 10 years and 8 months in prison. -
Hahaha! What is the "judge" gonna do -demand a spaghetti embargo? Hahaha! Eurowimps=US Wimpocrats!
bo: No problem, all I have to do is get at the Library's server. Sure they'd let me if I asked nice.
If they're using IE as a browser now, surely they'd appreciate the heads-up on the rape and pillaging prevention that Firefox, et al, would save them...
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k&y--Your dense prose is a challenge for me, and I've read Derrida in French. I'll just repeat Justin Raimondo's admonition that we're living in a media Bizzaro World where nothing makes much sense unless you read foreign news. US news is crazy junk, and you can only reinterpret it from Le Figaro or the Moscow Times or, heck, Al-Jazeera.
I think you were complimenting me, k&y, so I thank you. I enjoy your comments but I have to read them twice, sometimes to little avail.
Whereas if they'd followed the trail of one Katrina Leung, say, they would have found that a prominent California fundraiser for the GOP was not just, you know, maybe making a telephone call from the wrong office or something but AN ACTUAL FUCKING CHINESE SPY.
Oh, that's right. They did find that out. They just buried it. My bad.
Thank God that fucking rapist Reagan is dead.
If the GOP/White House can't effectively negotiate with Dems and liberals, how can we expect them to negotiate with other countries?
They distort the soul out of every damn thing they touch, and their history is for shit.
Tena =- 8:45 pm
i detest 'em, top to bottom...filthy, cooptive soul-stealers...exactly right, tena...
speaking of sociopaths i just heard novak say goodbye from the the capital gang. i say good riddance.
Really.
What? Is CNN dumping Mr. Dentures or just that pathetic shrill-fest?
RE WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka...): I definitely will check out Sheep Look Up, by John Bruner
Man, see what I mean when I say I've been treated unfairly?
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and not vice versa?
It's hard to say.
But I think the aliens were here first.
Jeffraham Prestonian,
good one, i laughed.
pie, capital gang is over.
and i'm not sure what a gilead is, but i want to help patrol the perimeter. been try'n to figure what to with the rest of my life.
Since Mr. Ed knows all about Clinton raping Juanita, maybe he can tell us about when Dubya was snorting coke of Maria's ass in Tijuana before her abortion. Or when Laura thought she was at NASCAR and ran over her boyfriend.
bigvic,
image courtesy of GWPDA! she's got my back.
spork:
re: Oliver Stone's JFK:
from the perspective of an artist who has dealt with the subject matter himself I'd have to say first of all it is ripe for creative mythologizing from both a political and emotional perspective.
in terms of Stone's accuracy he used two main sources of material as research: The Jim Garrison investigation and Texas police reporter Jim Marr's book 'Crossfire: the plot to assassinate President Kennedy.' Marrs is a no nonsense investigator. And Garrison uncovered a lot of new material.
I'd have to say that Stone was quite true to their research and conclusions.
Aside from the Stone/JFK thread and in terms of artists 'fucking' or 'playing' with history have you ever seen Woody Allan's 'Zelig?'
Aside from the
Zack - I thought he was accused of raping her with a foreign object.
Tena
The infamous champagne bottle.
The coroner's conclusion was that the hapless woman dies of a ruptured bladder.
Here is a fairly well detailed synopsis of what actuallu occurred in that Gatsby episode.
"Authorities would allege that Rappe’s bladder tore because the overweight comedian sexually assaulted her."
Complete bullshit, yet it allowed Billy Hearst to commission the new nymph pool at San Simeon.
Night all,
Off in search of basic comestibles and the right banana leaf (lottery ticket) for my retired maiden school teacher auntie.
Damn the trolls,
chris/tx:
Read "The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood.
Gilead is the future, if these wingnuts have their way.
Is it just me or can other people not really see what's in everyone's little gravatar boxes?
I'm with Draco, Clinton, for all his this or that, was a very "effective" and "legal" fundraiser, with money flowing from many capital formations we disagree with. too bad the press isn't interested in any of the GOP fundraising tactics.
blowjobs and blue dressses: form a fucking committee
gay prostitues and campaign-funded "journalism" : huh? whaaa?
four legs good: Is it just me or can other people not really see what's in everyone's little gravatar boxes?
Personally, I made it so, as Picard would have it.
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I can see the gravatar boxes just about, some are clearer than others.
it's not every day that a CIA agent gets indicted, much less thirteen (13) of them.
does that set some kind of record, or something?
Is it just me or can other people not really see what's in everyone's little gravatar boxes?
four legs good
All I see are mostly black squares.
Well, of course, Mrs. al-J. Remeber when politicians boasted about being outsiders?
Tena asks:
Spork - do you have the same problem with Disney then?
Yes.
But I want to make it clear: I'm all over the place on this.
The next time you ask about Disney I might sing praises. (Actually, probably not. I don't care for Disney stuff.)
I tried to intimate in my original post: The movie "JFK" makes my jaw drop open.
The message of the film, though, teaches a myth.
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The problem is not reporters aggressively pursuing tantalizing leads to a dead end -- happens every day; every single day -- and pissing off an administration. The problem is NOT DOING THE SAME THING TO THE NEXT GUY.
Our prose is not that hard, you are just starting at the wrong places.
The only problem with JFK is this mythologizing that is done where Stone allows himself to imagine that JFK might have been a very different, very positive president had he survived (in fact there is some reason to have such hopes for Bobby, such as Ellsberg's enthusiasm for him, but they got him too).
What we really meant to say was that very often in "official" satire and history (and you can see this in a lot of Stone's satire, in JFK but also in his other flicks), there is this mandatory presupposition that the system is good but this one guy is EVIL! Like in Mississippi Burning, where FBI passivity is totally blown over so we can coo at the heroics of a federal agency shocked to learn about the Klan.
And watertiger, Hecate: This might make a good outpost. Or don't forget this. Of course the chaps would have to increase their permiter considerably. Particularly when we had to go down to Spokane to Trader Joe's.
GWPDA,
I like them both, but my fave is the latter, with the chocolate streams and all.
And while I am not enamored with objectivism, one thing I did take away from Atlas Shrugged, was the idea of a self-sustaining enclave, peopled with principled, talented and witty beings, secure with themselves.
My version became known as the Art Farm™. 100 acres, several Barn-Studios (with tooling to accomodate everything from chemisty lab, to elctronics, to glasswork, and everything else), a landing strip that could accomodate single engine aircraft (at least). Oh I could go on, but that is my Utopian Ideal and I am sticking to it.
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bigvic,
image courtesy of GWPDA! she's got my back.
watertiger
Dang, that's too cool. OK, GWPDA, surely you can find a big fat old man to post for me. Heh.
Anybody having trouble with engrams or body thetans tonight?
Mrs I al J: how long before somebody pulls a favor from Burlusconi? And what is it with Italian and Spanish judges that they're so much better than ours?
So Stone should have made a film called 'Oswald: Long Gunman'..........?
I think you were complimenting me, k&y, so I thank you. I enjoy your comments but I have to read them twice, sometimes to little avail.
Draco
whew, so it's not just me. i saw there pictures on normal bob smith (?) kinda cute, and yes they are two.
the whole Monica Lewinsky scandal is like a blur to me, being only 13 at the time 
but from looking at it I really can't see what the fuss was about personally.
earl in toronto--My reading of Stone's JFK wasn't based on any type of history. I'd assumed he was channelling every conspiracy theory he'd heard and conflating the lot. Maybe Stone thinks differently. The movie certainly makes no narrative sense, but I like it as a fever dream of overlapping theories.
Capital Gang out.
Taking its place starting July 9 will be an expanded version of ''On the Story,'' a weekend show originally launched to provide the news channel's female correspondents with a platform to talk about the major stories of the week.
''On the Story'' will add chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour and others, including male correspondents, on a rotating basis. It will be done before a studio audience at George Washington University in Washington, where ''Crossfire'' had been telecast.
Let's see what Amanpour does with it.
The question is, is anyone having trouble with body thetans and not yet aware of it because of insufficient e-metering?
Kent, if you have wood and metal shops there, along with the time machine and kitties, you are sounding more and more like The Ideal Man all the time. It sounds remarkably like mine, but mine has a water view.
k&y,
yeah, not that the CIA hasn't pulled this shit before, but that an Italian judge would indict 13 active agents (a fraction, really) working to fill the Gulag with "enemy combtants."
I guess the rule of law actually means something in Italy.
spork - I see your point.
Gotta go - I'm going downtown to listen to a woman play jazz piano.
Ciao, moonbats. Maybe later.
The Jim Garrison investigation and Texas police reporter Jim Marr's book 'Crossfire: the plot to assassinate President Kennedy.' Marrs is a no nonsense investigator. And Garrison uncovered a lot of new material.
Garrison exposed Clay Shaw. Good. Then he went waaay beyond that and became an obsessive.
Marrs is a jackass.
I'm sorry, but I'm not getting back into this. The "ID" crowd is the bigger threat.
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Normal Bob Smith
good, clean, family fun.
yeah, the ideal spot has to have ocean access, and plenty of space for dogs to roam.
a good wine cellar, and maybe a hot tub outside.
Mrs. al-J,
it's not every day that a CIA agent gets indicted, much less thirteen (13) of them.
I posted that earlier. Truly bizarre. Did you see the other article, I think on the same page that reported that Spain is going to have to release a 911 terrorist suspect unless the WH stops blocking them from gaining access into the information they have collected on him????? WTF?
buncha freaks. Go rescue an endangered species or something.
I must also say good night atriots keep up the good work
Operating Thetan asks:
Anybody having trouble with engrams or body thetans tonight?
No? Tell me about it!
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I must also say good night atriots keep up the good work
Moonbootica
Nite early to bed moonbat. Love the handle.
Moonbootica--There was no real "fuss" with Monica and oral sex. The fuss was that insane Republicans were plotting a fascist takeover of the federal gov't of the US. They didn't achieve that goal until the stolen election of 2000.
From your safe perch in relatively democratic England you might not see the crime so clearly. But that's what happened.
buncha freaks. Go rescue an endangered species or something.
does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights count as "or something" ?
By-the-by -
Sorry my last coupla posts were so shirty.
I'll be in good humour from now on. Promise.
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kei & yuri: The question is, is anyone having trouble with body thetans and not yet aware of it because of insufficient e-metering?
Has more to do with insufficient e-marketing, but what do I know?
My tech piss-off of the day? I have screaming promiscuous WiFi signal at the condo, but no IP connectivity! Yes, I logged right into the idjit's router administration (with the default user/pw), and yet I seemed to have no DNS, whatever. Only thang I could reach was the router, itself. Dammit, Jim.
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Eli, 4Legs--tonight's menu is deviled eggs and chocolate chip peanut butter cookies, along with the standard popcorn, beer, and Dr. Pepper.
Best JFK tinfoil hattism = The Cold Six Thousand by James Ellroy
The thing I could never figure out about Stone's JFK is how Donald Sutherland could be involved, and at the same time be a professor schtupping whats-her-name at Faber College.
Nite early to bed moonbat. Love the handle.
I keep thinking "Boudicca."
Showed the Romans a thing or two!
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" buncha freaks. Go rescue an endangered species or something."
Real leadership, social justice, sound economic policies, and the rule of law are pretty much all endangered species these days. Idiot.
I must also say good night atriots keep up the good work
Moonbot,
seeing as it must be approachiung the wee hour of 0100 in your neck of the woods, have a most pleasant slumber.
Well Katie, you may want to try the following exercises: open and close your hand, pinching your thumb and fingers together, in the manner of a clam, while visualizing a clam on a beach in ancient times. It's opening and closing its shell, each muscle fighting the other, resulting in a confused oscillation.
Imagine: your hand is the ancient clam. Try the exercise. Don't do it around others, though, as it has been known to send people into shock.
being only 13 at the time but from looking at it I really can't see what the fuss was about personally.
Being much older, I didn't see what the fuss was about.
But sex doesn't scare me. Nor would I use it as an excuse that would later enable a president to launch an illegal war and kill a buncha people.
But that's just me.
but I like it as a fever dream of overlapping theories.
Draco
Drace I saw on the XFiles something re: conspiracy stuff I hadn't seen before i.e. the curbside runoff 'opening' (we have iron grates here flat on the ground)......and the guy framing oswald down in there..............well I was visiting Dealey Plaza once and tried to look in that spot (tons of asphalt build up) and almost got my head taken off by a van!
Best JFK tinfoil hattism = The Cold Six Thousand by James Ellroy
Oh, yes. Ellroy is a genius.
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I wonder if Bush will ever try to milk a male endangered species.
Eli, 4Legs--tonight's menu is deviled eggs and chocolate chip peanut butter cookies, along with the standard popcorn, beer, and Dr. Pepper.
Mmm...
Has anyone seen Atomic Tornado? It is vitally important that I know whether atomic tornadoes are worse than devil tornadoes.
I wonder if Bush will ever try to milk a male endangered species.
Isn't he already milking the moderate Republicans?
I wonder if Bush will ever try to milk a male endangered species
Yeah, he got piss from a yellow elephant.
Operating Thetan:
OK! Let me talk to Tom! He won't sleep with me, I don't know why, but he's so smart!
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and i'm not sure what a gilead is, but i want to help patrol the perimeter. been try'n to figure what to with the rest of my life.
See Watertiger above. Every single book Atwood has ever written is wonderful. One of my favorite novels is "The Blind Assissin" Very well written and fresh.
Eli--it's on!
When do the tornadoblogging festivities begin tonight? And may I join in? I can bring refreshing earl grey iced tea.
Okay, they've set the folksy, country mood. Let's get on with the devil tornadoing.
Uh-oh, he's kissing his Satanic Tornado Amulet!
this tornado movie looks even worse than the last tornado movie.
Evening, Batties! *waves* Who has the popcorn?
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Mena--pile on the sofa! Starting now!
BTW, this one's for Heather. Celebrate something she loved with her dad.
Hey, Moonbootica, always appreciate a Snow Crash plug. One of my proudest possessions is the tattered copy I used in a Science Fiction course I taught for a couple of years. My wife brought it to a Usenix convention where Stephenson was the keynote speaker, and asked him to sign it. He saw all my marginalia and cross-referenced underlines and whatnot, and wrote "Stop writing in my book!"
Wish I could have met him myself. I usually taught SC in parallel with Neuromancer. Great pair of novels to key off each other. [/irrelevant self-gratifying digression]
Testing 123
Testing 123
Is this thing on?
Anyone else wonder if the Italians indicting the CIA agents is in any way related to the situation involving Giuliana Sgrena?
But . . . there was still payback to had for Hillary's "I don't stay home and bake cookies" comment.
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...& the HEADBANDS!!! those GAWDAWFUL HEADBANDS!!!!!
Mellish--I've got all the refreshments!
And BTW, we honor Heather's memory tonight. We know how much she enjoyed this.
Wow, this kid's bad even for a kid actor.
The above should have been "Katie." And when I post as "spork_incident" I end up as "Katie" or "spork_incident" but one or the other she's my sister she's my daughter...
[brain shorts out...]
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"It's coming!"
Tonight's bad movie is from Canada, eh?
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Atomic tornado aws harmless.
Satanic tornados,however.....Much more dangerous.THey kill evil liberals!
Hey, Moonbootica, always appreciate a Snow Crash plug. One of my proudest possessions is the tattered copy I used in a Science Fiction course I taught for a couple of years. My wife brought it to a Usenix convention where Stephenson was the keynote speaker, and asked him to sign it. He saw all my marginalia and cross-referenced underlines and whatnot, and wrote "Stop writing in my book!"
Ooo, good stuff. Liked Diamond Age & Cryptonomicon a whole bunch as well.
j. paul v.
who uses two initials seperated by a name ?
I predict lots of low-end cgi
Sorry my last coupla posts were so shirty.
I'll be in good humour from now on. Promise.
You ain't shirty, spork. Heh.
n69n--give me the godawful headbands over fundoid helmet hair that won't move in hurricanes any day of the week.
No takers on the Fatty Arbuckle Hollywwod corporate disposal?
Frances Farmer?
Judy Garland?
Hey, we can't all be Tom Cruise Scientologists here, people!
n69n--give me the godawful headbands over fundoid helmet hair that won't move in hurricanes any day of the week.
What about in devil tornadoes?
What kind of idiot father do you have to be to leave your family vulerable to a tornado just to get some film shots??
Typicl evangelical, I guess.
I think this guy's toast without his Satanic Tornado Amulet to protect him.
Let me defer to kei & yuri; your prose is not so hard, but I must learn some dense syntax. I thought I had done so in college, where I found Shakespeare's sonnets much more difficult than his plays.
Can you guys narrate for someone whose loser cable company's ona different schedule? I got they're in the country, and there's going to be a tornado.
Ah, let the kid go. Darwin and stuff.
Since when do midwesterners hide from tornadoes in the vegetable garden?
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Fielding Mellish, there's a lot of popcorn here.
Have a seat and enjoy the show.
Ahhh ,the Amulet!
Okay, so, the kid's gonna watch his dad get killed by the tornado, and he's gonna grow up to be the main character and dedicate his life to battling tornadoes.
Good Lord, what a freaky preacher...
tragic. a tragic loss for cinema verite
It's the anti-Fred Phelps!
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How many Oscar's did this movie win?
I love you Eli.
I sure hope the acting gets a tad better.
Kent, if you have wood and metal shops there, along with the time machine and kitties.....
mena, my dear, that is one of the reasons that of the two spots GWPDA has seen fit to alert us to that this is my preferred site
for said compound.
Now where is that blushing emoticon again?
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And BTW, we honor Heather's memory tonight.
Indeed.
Peace.
Well, inevitably, I'm late to this thread and this board, but about the original topic (which I'm assuming has long since been abandoned), I don't mind any reporter pursuing tantalizing leads or ideas aggressively. But when they turn out to be completely bogus, after umpteen stories, would you just fucking admit it? And how about the occasional follow-up about the lying whores who were floating the story from the beginning?
are we blogging here or upstairs?
"That's the good news! You're going to Romania! Tomorrow!"
Lucky bastard!
This guy looks kinda like a young David Strathairn.
yeah, Fielding, love going out to ya.
For you, Fielding. Take heart.
Hey folks, it's starting:
The era of the American Pariah begins.
And, oh, by the way, I did a post on Neal Stephenson.
"When the unpure blood toucvhes the water, (or was that, itself) something about a nasty and evil tornado.
(and I did not just fail to rewind and record that Keaton flick they just had on TCM, Kent, you are a foool)
WoooooHoooooo, Sci-Fi Cinema Verite (do I bother to google the tilde, na)
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piss and vinegar--That was my point earlier. Clinton took many "bribes" or bribes, and he only looks good compared to the evil Busheviks. There was fine reason to investigate him, as was done. It turned out all his suspect activities and fundraising were quite legal. Tha's the problem.
Mellish is in trouble? did I miss something? Now I must check.
It would seem that whosit just woke up and something about Romainia. A bit late to the show.
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Stone's JFK is a giant steaming pile of shit. Jim Garrison nearly got himself into the same stew the Mayor of Spokane is currently simmering in. But the parents of the boys Garrison tried to rape in a steam room didn't want to press charges, for fear their little darlings would be accused of being Evil Homos.
I dealt with all of this -- and much more -- in articles I wrote for The Advocate back when Stone's monstrosity came out. As a result James Kirkwood's 1970 study of Garrison's Folly, American Grotesque, was republished by Harper/Collins. I also reccomend False Witness: The Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK by Patricia Lambert (Evans and Company, 199
I am an advocate of Gandhian non-violent resistance...
But out of curiosity, could we do a rendition to Syria of John Harris?
Just to see what would happen...
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I can only conclude that hacks like Harris are being dishonest and disingenuous in order to protect their careers. (And, amazingly, Harris is relatively honest compared to most journalists today, believe it or not.)
Think about it: One of the few journalists who has long had the guts to call BS BS is Joe Conason, and that's because he's managed to carve out a career on the fringes of mainstream journalism: Salon, New York Observer and a couple of books. I know nothing of his finances, but I'm very well aware that it's very difficult to be an honest journalist and eat unless you're independently wealthy or have another source of income.
Paul Krugman's another case. His primary gig is as an economics prof at Princeton and textbook author. He lucked into the NYT column because Tom Friedman recommended him -- they wanted an economics columnist, and as a generally pro-globalism moderate lib, Krugman seemed safe at the time. Little did they know that he doesn't suffer liars gladly. I just hope, for our sake, that he dots every i and crosses every t, because you know the right wing is gunning for him Rather-style. But he doesn't have to worry on a personal level because his gig at Princeton is secure.
But he doesn't have to worry on a personal level because his gig at Princeton is secure.
And what has he said of import at the NYT that's been refuted?
I am an advocate of Gandhian non-violent resistance...
But out of curiosity, could we do a rendition to Syria of John Harris?
Dear Prior A, the temptation is great, eh? Thanks for the great jokes, BTW.
Mellish is in trouble? did I miss something? Now I must check.
She died in her sleep 2 weeks ago. RIP, Ms. Mellish.
The money quote in that American pariah story:
Ms Badeaux said long-time US residents in Australia noticed attitudes towards them fluctuated with US Government policy. "It all depends on what the policies of the US government are at the time," she said.
Ten to one the Ozzies loved Americans during President Clinton's administration.
I have a Dutch friend I speak to every couple of months, and he and his son camped out in my living room in 2000. We've had a lot of discussions about politics over the years, and he had a hard time grasping the hatred against Clinton. He himself was critical of some of Clinton's policies but couldn't quite accept my explanation that the extremist right wing had taken over the Republican Party and that the American media, by and large, were tools and whores of those extremists. I'm sure he thought I was a bit out there at that time.
But now he understands.
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And what has he said of import at the NYT that's been refuted?
Nothing.
He's obviously been very careful to get all his facts right...but if he makes one serious misstep, you can bet your last dollar The Mighty Wurlitzer will manufacture some of its usual over-the-top right-wing outrage and go after him the way they went after Rather.
Remember what Okrent tried to do to him.
i *liked* the headbands.
i had no problem with the headbands.
i just remember them being ****AN ISSUE**** in all coverage of Clintons @ the beginning fo the first term.
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Ms Badeaux said long-time US residents in Australia noticed attitudes towards them fluctuated with US Government policy. "It all depends on what the policies of the US government are at the time," she said.
I grew up in Australia and took a lot of crap from other kids for being American, especially when I lived in a conservative town in Queensland where I was the only non-Aussie in my class. Things improved when I moved to the Melborune area, much more cosmopolitan.
Aussies genreally like Americans on a personal level and our nations are close allies, but are sensitive to being bossed by bigger, more powerful nations like the US and UK. There have at many times been an element of prickliness to the relationship over the heavy-handedness of the US government, and their (CIA/NSA) communications bases and military activities on Australian soil.
Reagan was hated and feared for his bellicose nuclear rhetoric and also for his dimwittedness - you have to be an intelligent, quick-witted public speaker to rise to the top in the in the Australian parliamentary system, so Aussies were baffled as to how a dumbass script-reader to grab the most powerful job in the world. In the memoirs of the Australian Prime Minister of the time (Bob Hawke), he related how on a trip to the White House he asked Reagan a nonspecific question on nuclear weapons policy, and Reagan shuffled through some 3x5 cards and read off a prepared answer to him!
Things warmed a little for Bush senior, the first US president since Johnson to actually visit Australia.
Clinton was well-liked and respected, and the positive image carried over to America and Americans in general in the post-cold-war era. Aussies don't have much truck with prudes and hypocrites or moralists (they've had more than one openly-atheist prime minister, which I can't imagine happening in the US presidency in my lifetime) so his personal behavior was a subject of jokes but didn't affect the positive image of him (it may even have helped it a little).
I went back to Australia for a visit last October and noticed a huge change. This was just before the US election, and everyone I met wanted to know who I planned to vote for. Hearing that it was Kerry, they were reassured that I wasn't 'one of them', of the insular, ignorant, world-bullying Ugly-American Bush-supporter mentality.
It was gratifying that the Aussies don't judge all Americans by our government, but sad to see the anger and resentment that the world's most powerful nation was rampaging out of control, and fearing how it would affect their country.
Let's see:
-- Martha Moxley's murder of nearly thirty years ago is Big News because some shirt-tail Kennedy is the lead suspect
-- the press spends the spring and summer of 2001 trying and convicting Gary Condit of killing Chandra Levy, even though she didn't die anywhere near where he was and there was no evidence or even motive for this,
but:
-- Lori Klausutis -- whose boss was Joe Scarborough -- is found dead in 2001 with her head smashed in from multiple blunt-force traumas, and the media doesn't care?
Hmmmm.
Yeah, that tells me something.
and BTW does anyone else think that Keaton, Buster was one of the finest actors of all time.
Keaton was inimitable.
As was Harold Lloyd, whose heirs are being snotty as shit about letting anyone younger than 70 learn about his genius.
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Harold Lloyd ruled. People today overshadow his work with Chaplin.
Awaiting some kind of tribute film to him. A great physical comedian. If Jim Carrey could wear slender glasses and a similar hat, he could probably pull the lead.
Oh, how I wish I could write my own laws...
Anyway, how hard was it to find out what Duke Cunningham was up to with his Realtor?
The city I live near is campaigning for a new 'regional' hospital to be built within its limits, as if that means anything to anybody except those who own the real estate it might be built upon.
How hard would it be for the local press to visit the county auditor, list all those who own that real estate, and find out what's up?
So far as I can tell, either nobody cares, or nobody wants to spend an afternoon looking at land titles.
At least Jake Gittes gave a shit, and he got his nose cut, kitty cat.
Real Texan, nice on ther Sgrena take.
Yes.
Also, Italy is gearing up, they know Bush needs another terra attack for his terrible ratings. Italy saw what Spain got.
If you move out of the coalition of the shillings they'll let Al Qaeda stage upon you somewhere down the line.
Italy fears being made example for helping the WMD plants (Ledeen).
The CIA point is to keep them from being singled out for retribution. They are a low hanging fruit in comparison to America.
As for the Ledeen/Italy line of argument- Israel did have one of the 12 tribes essentially maintain the line of the Priesthood on an Island just off off Sicily and Corsica.
If one wanted to wear tinfoil hats on the AIPAC variety for the WMD inplants, that is a good place to look.
At least Jake Gittes gave a shit, and he got his nose cut, kitty cat.
Remember, though, Jake really only got involved because his reputation (such as it was) had been damaged by the fake Mrs. Mulwray with her fake job having induced Gittes to take pictures of the mysterious "girlfriend."
In other words, something happened that hit bone for Jake.
So far as I can tell, either nobody cares, or nobody wants to spend an afternoon looking at land titles.
My point is this: the "journalists," and also the politicians, and also the voters, are only going to start caring when their personal comfort zone is threatened.
That's just the way human beings operate, and I don't think it is ever going to change.
The only remaining question appears to be, do people here start to feel personally threatened by the craziness before or after this country goes straight down the rat hole by shredding the Constitution and/or using nuclear weapons.
Right now it looks like about a 50/50 chance to me.
Titillation and personality distractions are the defining characteristics of the White House/media relationship in 1997. Pathetic!
I wrote my own diatribe/analysis at: CJR: interview with a vampire
I didn't vote for Clinton in his second term because his right wing leanings forced me out of the Democratic Party by 1995. But I sure share his disappointment and frustration with the self absorbed, shallow and too easily led, by the right wing, Washington press corps.
Harris asserts that Bill Clinton's legacy will be seen only as "gaudy" between two the implied validity of Bush administrations. Worse, Harris ignores the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the Oklahoma City bomb, the embassy bombings and the U.S.S. Cole bombing and resultant criminal convictions by the Clinton administration to imply that Clinton had no involvement in the war on terror. Where the fuck were you Mr. Harris?
What a shithead!
Some 13 y.o. opines on history:
"being only 13 at the time but from looking at it I really can't see what the fuss was about personally."
Some 13+ y.o. is just as confused and clueless:
"Being much older, I didn't see what the fuss was about."
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Think "perjury", youngters. Perjury = lying under oath about material facts. Clinton was impeached on two counts, grand jury perjury and obstruction of justic.
President Clinton was found guilty by Judge Wright for "knowingly false testimony". He paid a $90,000 fine,which he did not appeal through the Supreme Court as he did on other issues.
The Office of the Independent Council further presented Clinton with an agreement that had him disbarred from practicing law for 5 years and made him signed statement admitting to his deception.
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You're welcome, young people. Cheers!
But he's a better defensive politician than an offensive politician -- that is, when he is defining himself in opposition to other actors, rather than setting the agenda himself.
Harris can say this only because his paper has consistently ignored the positive actions of the Clinton administration.
But what he's [currently] doing abroad, I think you can consider that consistent with the ideas that he espoused in the presidency. It's a more upbeat and celebratory notion of how America should relate in the world in an increasingly globalized environment.
Harris implies that Clinton has done this only in opposition to Bush and since leaving the presidency. But what he's doing now is a continuation of what he did around the world as president and is possible because he did it as president.
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