I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Fucking CNN. How many ways is it possible for one network to screw up a story?
They are sure to find them all.
And fuck, Bush, AND his pardons.
Lordy mama.
I can't believe this.
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Dang. Funny how my comments always post instantaneously *unless* I'm trying to be first. Do virgin threads have some kind of e-hymen or something?
"you know, they don't have information on an ongoing crime, this is not a case where a reporter should go to jail'
I think obstruction of justice qualifies as an ongoing crime.
Dean will probably demand an independent investigation or that Rove resign. The next day,Lieberman and Biden will attack Dean for being partisan and unfair to Rove.
or we could just give them all fair trials and then hang 'em.
Since Greenfield doesn't really know what information the prosecutor is seeking and why, then it's pretty irresponsible for him to say "we're not letting reporters off the hook when their evidence is really needed."
MURKY????????
And I'm sure everyone has been eagerly awaiting *my* rant on the subject... Basically the best case & worst case scenarios as I see them.
I'm not sure it's not a solution
Greenfield should speak with a real lawyer.
The Fourth Estate is the real Fifth Column.
MURKY????????
It's an affectionate nickname for "'Murkan".
I think a Presidential Pardon for all Chimpy's co-conspirators and accomplices (Bill Keller, Leonard Downie Jr., etc) is in order.
selling the country down the river is hard work.
or we could just give them all fair trials and then hang 'em.
Can't we just hang 'em to save time?
And completely OT (duh), but I have my first podcast posted in a long time, speaking of "frog marching".
I've played tackle frisbee with Karl Rove on the White House back lawn, and my every manly reportorial instinct tells me there's no story here.
But in the few seconds left, I've got to get a plug in for a possible weird solution to this.
He's got the Friedman Syndrome: Much too in love with his own "weird" idea.
e-hymen?
Ummmm....
BLITZER: I don't think the press would attack, necessarily, the president, but others might.
Congratulations, boys and girls! We're officially "others"!!
BLITZER: I don't think the press would attack, necessarily, the president, but others might.
Congratulations, boys and girls! We're officially "others"!!
NYMary
Leslie is just shit, nothing else but shit.
Congratulations, boys and girls! We're officially "others"!!
This is not news to some.
"And given the Bush administration's relationship with the press,..."
That says it all. That says it all. Fucking creeps.
In Jeff's twisted world of priorities, this is just a compassionate, humanitarian, meaningless gesture to try to save the messenger from being shot. Kind of like pardoning the Thanksgiving turkey.
In Jeff's twisted world of priorities, this is just a compassionate, humanitarian, meaningless gesture to try to save the messenger from being shot.
Really. The "I'm not sure it's not a solution" bit begs one to ask: solution to what? solution for whom?
But in the few seconds left, I've got to get a plug in for a possible weird solution to this.
What we could do, see, is get the help of psychiatrists to drug the reporters. Then, check this out: we could bury them under volcanoes and nuke them. No, I'm serious!
They're facing civil contempt for refusing to obey a court order. They aren't eligible for a presidential pardon.
The pardon power only applies to those accused of or convicted of a federal criminal offense. Contempt doesn't cut it.
So it's a bunch of talk by idiots who know nothing, but can't seem to shut up.
This is not news to some.
But it is news to others.
it's a bunch of talk by idiots who know nothing, but can't seem to shut up.
No way!
we could bury them under volcanoes and nuke them.
Worked for Xenu.
The media is obessed about itself.
So it's a bunch of talk by idiots who know nothing, but can't seem to shut up.
Kind of long for a motto, but I think you should send it to CNN!
OT: Kanda Bongo Man is on stage at the Eden Project.
Permanence, stability and continuity are very rare commodities in the political and social life of central West Africa. Congo, Zaire, Democratic Republic Of Congo, Mobutu, Kabila, this faction, that faction… it all leaves people very little to cling onto, let alone dance about. That’s why it’s all the more reassuring and heartening to see that Kanda Bongo Man is still strutting his stuff, and other people’s stuff too with his hi-octane soukous music after a career spanning more than a quarter of a century.
This whole thing is so odd. Among other things, I don't think the presidential clemency power - which extends only to "offenses against the United States" - would extend to someone who has gone to jail for contempt. The contempt power is an inherent power held by the court. The presidential pardon power only goes to those accused or convicted of a crime, by which is meant I believe a violation of an Act of Congress. Contempt ain't that.
Having said that, Greenfield is full of shit even if the Prez does have the power.
Jesus, Blitzer is just a total tool, isn't he?
Worked for Xenu.
Yeah, but that was 75 million years ago. I think 9/11 changed everything.
we are ready for the rove treason case and you will not be disappointed at the wide variety of materials we have available for your summer 'impeachment' socials.
Ah. And I see Stevelaw made the same point upthread. Sorry.
If the president had the power to pardon Miller & Cooper, he would have done it months ago.
The media loves to talk about themseleves as well. They live in their own separate reality lol
Reading that exchange, the Woody Woodpecker theme song suddenly switched on inside my head, and I CAN'T TURN IT OFF!!!
"Hoo haa huh huh huh,
Hoo haa huh huh huh,
It's the Woody Woodpecker song."
Aaaaggghhh!!
Yeah, but that was 75 million years ago. I think 9/11 changed everything.
True. And I forgot that the reporters would all turn into energy beings and attach themselves to us in the thousands and keep us from enlightenment. That would suck.
If the president had the power to pardon Miller & Cooper, he would have done it months ago.
I'm not entirely convinced of that.
" They're facing civil contempt for refusing to obey a court order. They aren't eligible for a presidential pardon.
The pardon power only applies to those accused of or convicted of a federal criminal offense. Contempt doesn't cut it."
--Stevelaw
I want to believe you, but that's so yesterday, no one will bring it up. This is the new world order, and don't you forget it.
Help! I've fallen and I can't get up.
The media loves to talk about themseleves as well. They live in their own separate reality lol
Well, let's encourage them to talk more about how complicit they were in covering for Rove's act of treason in outing a covert CIA agent.
Liberal media, my ass.
OT: Kanda Bongo Man is on stage at the Eden Project.
I'm not proud to say, but I have absolutely no idea what this means. Closest I can figure is something to do with a Jimmy Cliff song.
This Just In:
Their elected president might be guilty of some pretty serious crimes including launching illegal wars.
Witnesses say he looks just like the guy did who committed the crimes.
Others say the boxes on his back under his suit jacket weren't there the night 'Shock and Awe' was launched.
We want answers now!
If the president had the power to pardon Miller & Cooper, he would have done it months ago.
Nah, 'cause Karl was making it all go away. That was Karl's job. Not the Commander in Chief - what with vacations and cycling and stuff.
Should I ask Jeff to remove his glasses before I slap him?
Let's encourage them to talk more about how complicit they were in covering for Rove's act of treason in outing a covert CIA agent.
Do ya suppose the fleets of rightwing bloggers and Sunday pundits will be talking about Rove or O'Donnell tomorrow?
O'Donnell basically scooped the Time magazine document dump; he's likely to be the topic of conversation, if the trolls below are any indication.
Anyone who wants to tell Greenfield what they think of this can use this handy form-
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/form...ms/form4.html?
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I only wish tom cruise was here to tell us we're being glib about karl rove. that he has studied karl rove. look we're glib. we dont understand karl rove. tom cruise does.
if the trolls below are any indication.
Which thread?
Should I ask Jeff to remove his glasses before I slap him?
that would be polite.
pie asks:
Should I ask Jeff to remove his glasses before I slap him?
Nah. It's more dramatic to see the glasses fly across the room.
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Just an indication of how scared shitless they really are... running the story before the news actually breaks.
Which thread?
Just follow the smell.
I read the O'Donnell thread. Weaker than usual showing by the trolls.
Aw, it sucks to be a wingnut Bush-supporter.
The House of Reps voted to impeach a president over a blow job, and this fucking wingnut Greendick has the balls to say outing a CIA officer is not a sufficient enough offense to warrant jail. WTF!!!!
I read the O'Donnell thread. Weaker than usual showing by the trolls.
I don't have the stomach for it. Did they pull out Toby's "Wilson outed his wife" excuse?
OT
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/3...t.ap/
index.html
The Federal Trade Commission helps millions of consumers each year battle identity theft. Now the woman who runs the agency, Deborah Platt Majoras, finds herself a potential victim after some of her personal information was stolen.
An FTC spokeswoman says Majoras received a letter last week from shoe retailer DSW informing her that her credit card information had been stolen.
DSW sent us a letter informing us that we were affected. A debit card.
Thought that was responsible of them until I read
The Ohio-based company discovered the data breach in March. It affected customers in 25 states.
Ohio's attorney general filed suit against DSW in early June, seeking to force the retailer to contact all customers compromised in the breach.
ASSHOLES!
New checking account real soon!
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So Jeffy Greenfield, tv talking head, says "I'd like to see the press attack the press...".
What kind of 'journalist' is this asshole?
What kind of 'journalist' is this asshole?
He's "responsible".
Blitzer: We don't want to see Judith Miller or Matt Cooper go to jail.
Hell Yes We Do Too!
I want to see every single member of this white house do the frog march.
I truly think Jeff Greenfield is speaking on behalf of someone else, someone who has Greenfield's nuts in a vice.
He's so obviously floating his 'suggestion' out there like a test balloon meant to provide cover for these fuckers.
Greenfield shouldn't be allowed to get away with this nonsense.
When I was working at CNN, I once addressed Jeff Greenfield as Bill Schneider. It seemed to irritate him.
I feel much better about it now.
ntodd=a bunch of talk by a brainfarting idiot who knows nothing, but can't seem to shut up.
What on earth has happened to the moral fiber of the press folks? Don't they know that something terrible has happened and that isn't that a couple of criminal reporters have refused to testify about a serious crime and might go to jail. How did they get on the side of the criminals?
Well, the whole thing could go away with a presidential pardon. Bush could just pardon the leakers and the purjurers, and there would be no more need for an investigation. I'm surprised they haven't thought of it yet.
Since the only people who might ever do jail time for the illegal exposure of a spy's cover are journalists, the poor dopes at CNN think that was the only crime.
My local paper has a story about how 3 radio personalities in WV were threatened by an Ohio GOP thug for discussing his political and legal problems on the air. The station reaches Ohio easily. Intimidation is the name of the game and the GOP is expert at it.
Greenfield just doesn't get it.
They compromised national security.
There was no public interest in knowing Valarie Plame's name. None at all.
It was all an attempt to smear someone. To dirty their names.
To pull an ad hominem rather than attack the logic of the case.
But in this case the ad-hom' was by compromising the ability of a member of this nation's national security forces in a time of war when people like Plame were needed most.
They did it out of spite.
It was reckless and had no value whatsoever.
Someone needs to smack Greenfield upside the head and let him know about this cause if the guy keeps pushing a pardon he's being complicit in a coverup attempt cause the president has no reason to pardon these people other than to cover his own butt.
MYOB'
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I don't get the joke, what's the Chewbacca defense?
So Rove leaked the information to Novak and Cooper. Then he called "lesser" reporters, like Matthews, and told them Plame was fair game.
Murky? Seems pretty damn clear to me.
in this murky case, where they weren't -- you know, they don't have information on an ongoing crime
The special prosecutor might beg to differ.
I've had mixed feelings about this whole thing, but all this special pleading on behalf of Miller and Cooper is really starting to turn me off. The press seems more interested in protecting its own than anything else.
The only pardon that works to get the reporters off the hook here is one of the subject of the investigation - not the reporters. Of course, that works (big time) for the WH.
But pardoning Miller or Cooper doesn't do anything, since at most the pardon would absolve them of responsibility for refusing to comply with an order to divulge their sources...All the prosecutor would have to do again after a pardon is reappear before the judge and ask for another order compelling them to testify. Unless Bush was prepared to make a continuous string of pardons after each subsequent order, the only pardon that works is one for Rove - effectively shutting down the target of the investigation.
Dear Mr. Greenfield:
Being tossed in the pokey by a Judge for contempt is not a crime, all you gotta do is sing and you walk right out the front door
So.....
Since it ain't a crime
it aint pardonable
Let's end this sillyness now.
Thank You
Uhh...wasn't the crime itself revealing the CIA operative's name? This isn't a whistleblowing case where some anonymous source blows the whistle on some government wrongdoing. This was a case where the blowing of the whistle was itself the wrongdoing. Plame was doing nothing wrong -- other than being the CIA operative wife of Bush/Rove's political enemy. Geezus H. Kristoff!
If there is any pardon issued it will obviously be for Herr Karl. Apparently, he is going to need one.
Murky?
Amurkyans?
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