I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I find it shocking that anyone thinks any of this matters. In the country today, anything and everything that goes against the "Right" wing is shouted down. As far as I can tell, it has all been lost (and Diebold ensures it).
I'm reposting a comment I made at Americablog and below because I think it's important and has been overlooked. Please forgive the crossposting.
One thing that is never mentioned anywhere, even in the blogs, is that at one time Plame served overseas in coutries that were believed to be trying to acquire nuclear capability. Surely, every contact she had in those countries, whether they were assets or not, was compromised and perhaps imprisoned or executed, because of Rove.
All the thread comments are reading "0", so maybe I'm second or third or fourth by now. Go back and read story.
As far as I can tell, it has all been lost (and Diebold ensures it).
nothing personal, but thanks for the cheery bit of uplift and inspiration there.
As the guy in "My Favorite Year"
who never talks says,
"This makes me so happy."
One thing that is never mentioned anywhere, even in the blogs, is that at one time Plame served overseas in coutries that were believed to be trying to acquire nuclear capability. Surely, every contact she had in those countries, whether they were assets or not, was compromised and perhaps imprisoned or executed, because of Rove.
patriotboy
rove is nothing more than a grown-up member of the college republican guard. the fact that people live and die by these things is of no consequence to him. he just cares about whether or not he'll pants cheney before the night is over.
kkkarl will make a nice prag.
Surely, every contact she had in those countries, whether they were assets or not, was compromised and perhaps imprisoned or executed, because of Rove.
patriotboy
Good point, patriotboy. These people are totally without conscience! They're war criminals, too.
For a few reporters ( pathetic bastards they are) to be jailed, while the big fish (leaker) is left to go his merry way makes absolutely no sense to me. Fitzy has got to have something more than just perjury in mind.
Sorry, power quartet.
Still cool....
Sting doing the power trio thing,
a la the Police, now.
Pretty cool....
'growing concern at the White House'
"My GOD, George, what will we do without Karl? He tells us when to... when to..."
"Breathe, Condi."
"That's right - he tells us when to BREATHE! Thanks, Karl."
"You're welcome, Condi. Say, could you polish my shoes, Madame Secretary?"
"I'll have them for you in the morning."
I know it's just a fantasy, but what if Karl Rove is taken down and must go. Who does George W. Bush turn to then?
But wait. Only Karl decides who must go and who must stay.
This is confusing. A group of respected Senate Republican elders must pigeon-hole the President and explain it to him.
Interestingly, Haloscan is posting
comments in reverse order today.
patriotboy,
This is true, but what the wingnuts are going to point out is that the CIA believes she may have been 'outed' to those sources by Aldrich Ames. so they did not have her doing as much covert work by that time. I know that'll I'll hear that excuse at work. And while technically true, it doesn't diminish the fact that she was NOC, and still had contacts, all of which were blown by Mr. Rove and friends.
I really, really hate these people. Hate them more than I ever did Reagan. This is what I think some of the fundies may be having troubles with: That this administration could care less about the United States. Ignoring signs of 9-11, lying about intel to get us into Iraq, not doing more about terrorism, that's just for starters.
I need a drink.
Funny, I just quoted the same bit on American Street. 
Roxy music doing early stuff, strand, love drug , ferry looks great!
BOHICA, Karl!!!!! No grease, baby!
.
From Newsweek:
""...Luskin told NEWSWEEK that Rove "never knowingly disclosed classified information" and that "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA." Luskin declined, however, to discuss any other details. He did say that Rove himself had testified before the grand jury "two or three times" and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him. "He has answered every question that has been put to him about his conversations with Cooper and anybody else," Luskin said. But one of the two lawyers representing a witness sympathetic to the White House told NEWSWEEK that there was growing "concern" in the White House that the prosecutor is interested in Rove. Fitzgerald declined to comment..."
Damn, Karl's puckered sphincter in the air, and I'm fresh out of Crisco!
I do have one of these and some coarse sand, though...
.
Look for the Ollie North Tap Dance:
it was illegal but it was patriotic.
Shades of Iran-Contra.
This is key:
...Rove spoke to Cooper three or four days before Novak's column appeared.
Bye bye, Roveboy....
I do have one of these and some coarse sand, though...
is it rusty enough?
IF...this goes down the way it's reported and if...Rove is nailed and maybe some more in the Administration, I think that Mr. Novak may have a very hard time collecting his retirement! Accidents happen.
If he did this for notoriety, on his own, he screwed the Bushies.
If he did this at the orders of Rove, he still screwed the Bushies.
Looks like G. Gordon or Ollie North may have a new job.
Say hello to Jimmy Hoffa, Mr. Novak!
"My GOD, George, what will we do without Karl? He tells us when to... when to..."
"Breathe, Condi."
I think there's a few other functions that Karl tells the gang when to do them.
It's gonna get messy at the White House--real soon.
Live Free or Die, how else would Rove's LAWYER try to spin it?
Look for the Ollie North Tap Dance:
it was illegal but it was patriotic.
Shades of Iran-Contra.
Nukular Strategerist | Email | 07.02.05 - 4:40 pm | #
With all due respect, I don't see
it.
This is indefensible......
Pere Ubu: is it rusty enough?
I'll take it down to the limestone quarry, and if that doesn't burr it up enough, I'll bring 10lbs. of rock salt, for good measure.
.
"never knowingly disclosed classified information" and that "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA." This has been mentioned before, but why would have Rove known this info-he shouldn't be privy to this info, and if Bolton is the original source, I'm not sure he should have known either. If I were a CIA NOC, I'd not sleep well at night know some deputy sec of state has access to that sort of info. Yes, you have to have high level access, but you don't need to know names.
Jesus - stop to listen to NTodd's podcast and new threads and comments are all over the place.
The podcast btw almost makes me want to cry for the sincerity about the essential goodness NTodd expresses about what the U.S. should be.
Unfortunately, Vietnam, Watergate, Reagan and Iran/Contra all dispelled any notions I ever had. Shit, I'd like to reacquire that.
It's a beautiful thing:
Lawrence O'Donnell swings for the fences to scoop Dracula Novakula -- and other journalists -- with this white-hot story.
Consequently, when the douchbag of punditry finally writes his "big column" explaining everything (as he promised to do on CNN's Inside Politics) nobody will want to read it -- if only out of curiosity.
Hey there, all you conspiracy theorists -- it looks like you were right!
~~~~~~~~~~~
Top 10 Rove Excuses:
1) I did it to protect the soldiers
2) The Democrats are evil
3) There were no Semen stains
4) The perjury was a forgery
5) I did not talk to any reporters on the 4th of July-it was the 5th of July
6) THe District Attorney hates freedom
7) This is a witchunt
Saddam was an evil evil man
9) Remember the lessons of 911
10)Refer to #9
Look for the Ollie North Tap Dance:
it was illegal but it was patriotic.
It's pretty difficult to claim that you outted a CIA agent because it was the patriotic thing to do--
Well, maybe if you hopped in a time machine and went to work for the USSR.
This is indefensible......
WHich has YET to get these clowns in trouble with either the murkin public or its "illustrious" fourth estate.
If nothing comes of this, though, I am going to tear my hair out.
BTW:
An absolutely glorious day in
New York City.
Sunny, breezy, and cool......
Plus Rove may be going to jail....
Let's not forget, if George Bush were the steadfast respected leader that many believe him to be, he could have ended this all 2 years ago with a couple of phone calls.
The fact that this persists years later demonstrates what a slimey manipulative vindicative arrogant bunch these people really are.
Leadership my ass. They're just awful. Worst President ever.
Information about the next generation of Karl Roves available on my blog.
/shameless blogwhore
In fact, it's such a beautiful day
that I was just enjoying Bon
Jovi, who I normally can't stand....
I guess in Karl's case, it's actually not BOHICA, but rather "BOHICFTFTBGIGH-BG!" -- "Bend over, here it comes for the first time, but goddamn, it's gonna hurt -- but good!"
.
looks like the spin will be rove didn't knowingly out an operative...see, it was all just an accident!
or...iirc, novac somehow found out(thru a hint maybe) that plame was cia and called the cia to see if it was true...when they asked him not to print that part, he did anyway..
watching the bbc now...i can't get into this music at all...
Hey Res:
Pink Floyd are coming up....probably
another hour or two....
Also the Who.
Rove can't fall far enough, or land hard enough, for me.
I don't think he'd get away with the Ollie North defense. North was somewhat acceptable-looking, and was able to puff out his little chest in his military uniform. He was very good at making puppy-dog eyes into the cameras, too.
Rove, by contrast, is a fat, oily little piglet whose demeanor absolutely shrieks "coward," "liar," and "deviant." He's not photogenic, not "tough" or "manly," and has no sex appeal for anyone on earth save GWB and Jeff Gannon.
It's gonna get messy at the White House--real soon.
Big Daddy Mars
Who here believes they are having wonderful Fourth of July weekend. Heehee.
I posted this at the bottom of another thread, but I think it bears repeating. Isn't leaking info on a Friday evening of a three day weekend the modus operandi of the WH. Add to that the O'Connor resignation, and the timing of this story stinks to the high heavens. Collusion between the WH, Time and O'Donnell anyone?
Steve Simels ... Thanks.
I was never a big Who fan. Although, after 9/11 ... that "Concert for New York City" thingy ... they rocked!
Hey, did you all know if you get your IP address blocked by the asstards at Jizbang blog because you posted a little too much truth in the comments for them to stomach, you can just connect thru an anonymous proxy and post anyway? It's really easy!
It's a beautiful day today; the sun is shining, it's warm, but not humid, nice breeze, and KKKarl is going DOWN!!! Oh, please, Herr Pigfucker, take the rest of them down with you; squeal like the little piggy you are...
The Who! Aren't they worried that the stage will start to stink from the rotting corpses?
Agent Orange: Let's not forget, if George Bush were the steadfast respected leader that many believe him to be, he could have ended this all 2 years ago with a couple of phone calls.
Who among us did not sign the petition, asking W to ask his staff to sign affadavits disavowing any knowledge of the leak? I know I did!
.
Rove, by contrast, is a fat, oily little piglet whose demeanor absolutely shrieks "coward," "liar," and "deviant." He's not photogenic, not "tough" or "manly," and has no sex appeal for anyone on earth save GWB and Jeff Gannon.
A cartoonist needs to do to Rove what Thomas Nast did to Boss Tweed.
it was illegal but it was patriotic.
Even the worst knuckledragger could probably understand that destroying a CIA asset is unpatriotic.
Then again, Reagan and Bush I got away with selling missiles to the same bastards who killed 241 Marines in Lebanon. So what do I know.
and hopefully Neil Young!
"Aren't they worried that the stage will start to stink from the rotting corpses?"
only two corpses rotting at this point...
makes their album title "who's next' a bit macabre.
The Who! Aren't they worried that the stage will start to stink from the rotting corpses?
I'm an old-time fan, but the boys should hang it up, or at least start calling themselves "Who's Left."
Phila, you're insulting piglets by comparing them to Rove.
live at leeds- best live rock album ever.
The Who! Aren't they worried that the stage will start to stink from the rotting corpses?
The Kenosha Kid
Ha! That's a good gag.
Personally, I'm wondering how they've managed to soldier on without Kenny Jones.
Hey, I wonder if Rove's lawyer is any relation to Our Favorite Luskin. Takers?
.
ABC Radio Commentator Paul Harvey Promotes Nuking the Middle East!
He likes Native American Genocide too!
rove is fair game. Like a wild boar he'll fight to the bitter end.
only two corpses rotting at this point...
The other two are starting to smell a mite musty.
patriotboy,
"One thing that is never mentioned anywhere, even in the blogs, is that at one time Plame served overseas in coutries that were believed to be trying to acquire nuclear capability."
Somebody had info on that. novak even named the CIA created fake company she worked for. I might have read it here:
The leak of a CIA operative's name has also exposed the identity of a CIA front company, potentially expanding the damage caused by the original disclosure, Bush administration officials said yesterday.
The company's identity, Brewster-Jennings & Associates, became public because it appeared in Federal Election Commission records on a form filled out in 1999 by Valerie Plame, the case officer at the center of the controversy, when she contributed $1,000 to Al Gore's presidential primary campaign.
After the name of the company was broadcast yesterday, administration officials confirmed that it was a CIA front. They said the obscure and possibly defunct firm was listed as Plame's employer on her W-2 tax forms in 1999 when she was working undercover for the CIA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
ac...anguage=printer
Jesus - stop to listen to NTodd's podcast and new threads and comments are all over the place.
At least it seems the trolls have trouble detecting the start of a new thread.
I was never a big Who fan. Although, after 9/11 ... that "Concert for New York
City" thingy ... they rocked!
res ipsa loquitur | 07.02.05 - 4:50 pm | #
Yes indeedy.
One of the Backstreet Boys (forget
which one) was watching them from
backstage.
Somebody interviewed him afterwards
and said "What did you think of
the Who?"
To his credit, he said "I couldn't
believe how great they were. I'm
too young to have seen them back
in the day, and I was totally
unprepared for how amazing they
were."
And this was without Keith Moon.
I'm a huge fan, in case you
haven't guessed.
Someday I'll send you an MP3 of
"Glow Girl." Their greatest song.
Phila, you're insulting piglets by comparing them to Rove.
Good point - aren't pigs supposed to be very biologically similar to humans?
only two corpses rotting at this point...
The other two are starting to smell a mite musty.
That "hope I die before I get old" line has really come back to bite them on the ass.
If Rove goes down, or if there is at least blood in the water, do you think the CIA (and possibly senior military personnel) might start piling on the administration? After all, if they have any loyalty to their respective organizations there must be at the least great resentment at Bu$hco for the f***ing they've been taking.
Agent Orange: Let's not forget, if George Bush were the steadfast respected leader that many believe him to be, he could have ended this all 2 years ago with a couple of phone calls.
Who among us did not sign the petition, asking W to ask his staff to sign affadavits disavowing any knowledge of the leak? I know I did!
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
Exactly. Bush chose (or more likely was told) not to do anything, it might just all blow away.
That's still a likely spin. It was no big deal. Just keep repeating it over and over again.
He's really scum and 50+ million people voted for him.
So I'm confused... if Unka Karl ""never knowingly disclosed classified information" and "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA," just what the hell was he talking to Cooper about?
An interesting aside: in Oct 2003, Scottie McClellan stated Rove, Libby, and Abrams had each denied being the source of the leak.
Legal issues and jousting aside, it's now plain that either Rove lied to the Chimpster or that the Chimpster was aware Rove had leaked.
I scored SNPA, btw, w/o I.D.
Friendly neighborhood H.G. Hill's... God Bless 'Em.
I had to -- to celebrate the Rovian assrape. Sorry!
.
Mariah Carey up now....
sorry, babe, you're not fooling me.
I saw GLITTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, RIL? When do you sit your examination?
I have it on good authority that Steve Simels saw The Who back when they were still called "The High Numbers."
Phila, you're insulting piglets by comparing them to Rove.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coin
You're quite right. I apologize!
An ugly human being is the ugliest thing on earth, hands down. And Karl's ugly down to his mitochondria.
The e-mails surrendered by Time Inc., which are largely between Cooper and his editors, show that one of Cooper's sources was White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, according to two lawyers who asked not to be identified because they are representing witnesses sympathetic to the White House. Cooper and a Time spokeswoman declined to comment.
Hmm. So what's the agenda/s for these two attorneys?
God god god but I hope the sheer weight of these evil bastards' karma will fuck them like they've never been fucked. Especially KKKarl. He (besides Cheney) is the evilest creature on the planet. He and Rush Limbaugh have done more to destroy our great country, what's unified and kind and decent and genuinely strong about us, than any external enemy ever could.
Literally I think a psycho like Kim Jong Il has more integrity than these monsters.
I wonder how the MSM will handle this. I bet they will say,'we knew it was rove. It is old news.' Very convinient-this coming out on a big weekend.
"live at leeds- best live rock album ever."
Hmmm...for me, close call between that and get Yer Yaya's Out.
"Personally, I'm wondering how they've managed to soldier on without Kenny Jones."
He's gone? Good riddance to poor rubbish. HE turned the Who into a plodding, boring version of its fomer self.
just what the hell was he talking to Cooper about? Oh, the movies, who was likely in the Series, the DeWalt sale over to the Home Depot. You know. Manly stuff.
Simels ...
There were a number of moments in that "Concert for NYC" that were really terrific, actually. There was a lot of shite, too, but some of it was really good. And the short films were fun, too.
BTW ... Where is NYCD?
Someday I'll send you an MP3 of
"Glow Girl." Their greatest song.
Let's not start that - we could be here all day.
I've always had a thing for "Cut My Hair" off Quadrophenia, myself. And, of course, "Baba O'Riley."
And ever heard that Townsend-Ronnie Lane collaboration? "Street in the City" is fucking awesome...
"f Unka Karl ""never knowingly disclosed classified information" and "he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA," just what the hell was he talking to Cooper about?"
Like I said, he coulda hinted she was cia...that's what novak contended, iirc...he called the cia and they would neither confirm nor deny, but they asked him not to print it, so he assumed she was cia.
Actually, the Who did an
absolutely brilliant new song
last year.
"Real Good Looking Boy."
Download it -- you won't be sorry.
If Rove goes down, or if there is at least blood in the water, do you think the CIA (and possibly senior military personnel) might start piling on the administration? After all, if they have any loyalty to their respective organizations there must be at the least great resentment at Bu$hco for the f***ing they've been taking.
sandiaman
Why do you think this is coming out now. With Bush's numbers in the crapper and his lame duckiness growing with every speech he gives, they're power is fast erroding. Even if this does not go where it should, more of w's power is gone with the wind. Hopefully blowing back his own farts in his face.
What tactic would involve Rove setting himself to be the lightening rod in this situation? Is he setting up another Rather type takedown? His name was released by lawyers sympathetic to the WH. Apparently he has made attempts to cover his tracks already. Noone has named the other WH leaker. Why do I feel like Rove is a fat worm with a hook sticking out of his ass?
"Real Good Looking Boy."
Download it -- you won't be sorry.
That got some airplay here in Chicago. You're right--it was a damn good song.
add link:
http://olimpiadaspequim2008.blogspot.com
please blog brasileiro
He's gone? Good riddance to poor rubbish. HE turned the Who into a plodding, boring version of its fomer self.
jdw
I was kidding. For my money, the Who were overrated at their best. I mean, yeah, I liked 'em when I was 13...but I got over it.
sorry, babe, you're not fooling me.
I saw GLITTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, leave poor Mariah alone. She had to fuck that troll, TOmmy Mattola, for a few years.
Plus, she's a survivor!
/sarcasm
If you were casting a movie that had a part for a guy who dressed in a clown costume and performed at little kids' birthday parties, who would be better than a Karl Rove to play the role.
Notice how ODonnell said that the Newsweek article was going to titled "It's Rove!" and then the name of the article is the evasive "Rove Factor." Ah, the courageous media.
"His name was released by lawyers sympathetic to the WH."
Could that be Ted Olson, who is representing Time?
He's pretty fucking sympathetic. Scumbag.
I have it on good authority that Steve Simels saw The Who back when they were still called "The High Numbers."
The Kenosha Kid
I saw The Who at the Filmore East, probably around 1970. Don't remember that much. . .
Someday I'll send you an MP3 of
"Glow Girl." Their greatest song.
I can still deal with that, and "Melancholia," and maybe a couple other things from that era.
After that, the combination of Daltrey's screeching and Townshend's self-pitying doggerel turned me off completely.
I don't hate 'em or anything, but whatever "magic" there was is pretty much gone for me.
add link:olimpiadaspequim2008.blogspot.com
please blog brasileiro
Jeez, nothing like full-frontal blogworing.
You might at least have bought dinner and some flowers first.
Hmm. So what's the agenda/s for these two attorneys?
Susie from Philly
I didn't read all the posts before I wrote my own. Seems you were ahead of me. I worry that their agenda is Karl's doing.
"I was kidding. For my money, the Who were overrated at their best. I mean, yeah, I liked 'em when I was 13...but I got over it.
Phila"
Sorry, didn't catch the sarcasm! But overrated? Gotta disagree there..
Hey, RIL? When do you sit your examination?
GWPDA ... July 26th and 27th.
We had a run-through at Javits yesterday. I did the raw score this morning and was in tears ... until I received three emails from people who did considerably worse than I. Still, it put the fear of God into me. I'll probably be way scarce around these parts starting Monday.
holy shit Mariah Carey sounds like the young Stevie Wonder in her gig
I have it on good authority that Steve Simels saw The Who back when they were
still called "The High Numbers."
The Kenosha Kid | Email | Homepage | 07.02.05 - 4:56 pm | #
Dude -- absolutely. I was a mod
in London in '65.
We actually preferred the Small
Faces.
Res:
NYCD is on 81st between Amsterdam
and Columbus (closer to Amsterdam)
Seriously great store, with
a great staff. I can't tell you
how much amazing music I've
discovered thanks to those guys....
Is it safe to say Karl, that following 9/11, liberals thought enough of national security to refrain from petty political vendettas like disclosing the identity of a covert agent during wartime?
Just askin'...
Why does Townshend still insist on calling it "The Who"?
Can you imagine going through junior high school being named 'Dido' ?
Sorry, didn't catch the sarcasm! But overrated? Gotta disagree there..
jdw
Well, of course! I'm not arguing with or correcting anyone...it's just one man's opinion. I understand why people like them. And Lord knows plenty of stuff I like is garbage. I just think it's interesting how people feel about things like pop music over the years...some stuff I liked at 13 I still like, and other stuff...the charm of it has just evaporated. Nothing to do with anyone but me, though.
until I received three emails from people who did considerably worse than I.
Just remember, a mark of >1 over the required amount is just as swell as >99. Passing is all that's necessary and that's what you'll do. Your heart will be light as well, given all this good news!
It's unanimous - both my goats say Rove's the worst prick in modern US
history and he's goin down.
Sorry KKKarl, the SCOTUS thing and Drunky's Choice aren't gonna get this outta the news. Your magic thug touch is turning to shit, bastard.
Cold comfort for the people of Iraq whose society has been destroyed for the vanity and political gain of these monsters - but may those same Iraqis watch these criminal clowns fall.
Fitzgerald could be the man who saved America. C'mon Fitzy, get your name in the history books.
I am sorry to sound like a killjoy, but this will lead nowhere.
Bush will pardon Rove, and the media will say “see , the President is a compassionate conservative”
As Atrios has pointed out in earlier threads, the media has completely given up on it’s role as seeker of the truth. It is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the Republican party. Right now as we sit here the media is thinking up ways to spin this against The Democrats.
Seriously, though... if someone doesn't swing for this Plame leak, will y'all give me permission to do as my namestealing trool suggested last month (e.g. oil up the weapons, etc.)?
.
I have disliked the Who ever since Pete 'It's for research' Townshed hit Abbie Hoffman over the head with a guitar at Woodstock.
A CIA revolt against Goss?
.
Top 10 Rove Excuses:
Excuse #11 : I'm a fat-faced fuck with no moral compass.
I saw 75% Who back in 89 with Simon Phillips drumming and that was pretty good until Daltrey strained himself. They still ended up playing for a good 2 1/2 hours though.
Notice how ODonnell said that the Newsweek article was going to titled "It's Rove!"
He didn't say that - he was using "air quotes". He was applying his own name to the kind of article it was going to be.
".some stuff I liked at 13 I still like, and other stuff...the charm of it has just evaporated. Nothing to do with anyone but me, though.
Phila"
Yeah, funny how that happens. Overall i think I still like pretty much everything I liked around that time.
There is, however, a Boston album..I have no idea how that got in the rack
Hmm. So what's the agenda/s for these two attorneys?
Susie from Philly
Getting paid while avoiding getting disbarred, probably.
"I saw 75% Who back in 89 with Simon Phillips drumming"
Well, Simon Phillips- unlike Kenny Jones- can play.
A CIA revolt against Goss?
Goss is pretty revolting by himself!
BA-Ding!
thanks folks, make sure to try the lemon chicken...
Seriously, though... if someone doesn't swing for this Plame leak, will y'all give me permission to do as my namestealing trool suggested last month (e.g. oil up the weapons, etc.)?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
NO
HALoscan is scaring me. I do believe it has become a conscious entity.
Your heart will be light as well, given all this good news!
GWPDA ... All I want to do is pass. There is no more honor in a "high pass" than in a "low pass." One of the instructors said at a lecture, "There are three kinds of students. The first is satisfied with mere glib understanding. The second wants more than than and strives for solid command of these principles. The third is the platonic ideal of a student. The one with superior knowledge who goes beyond the call and achieves true understanding of the subject. You can pass this test with glib understanding!"
I'm sorry, but if you come on stage and interrupt while someone is playing, you deserve to be "decapitated".
"Bush will pardon Rove, and the media will say “see , the President is a compassionate conservative”
Others have said Bush can't pardon Rove. Dunno if that's true..
Excuse #11 : I'm a fat-faced fuck with no moral compass.
Like Karl Rove would ever actually tell the truth about anything.
Could that be Ted Olson, who is representing Time?
He's pretty fucking sympathetic. Scumbag.
jdw | Email | 07.02.05 - 5:01 pm | #
Why did Olsen leave the WH?
You can pass this test with glib understanding!"
Exactly. It's not like being an electrician after all - misunderstanding on your test probably won't get you killed. Probably.
that was the weirdest line. "witness sympathetic to the white house."
There is, however, a Boston album..I have no idea how that got in the rack
Well, I continually sold my records over the years. If I hadn't, I'd have some really grim LPs in my collection...everything from the first Gamma LP, to the Teddy and the Frat Girls 12", to the Ethel Merman Disco Album.
Ripley: Afternoon, freethinkers
Yo, Rop -- how's your grip?
.
Actually, the best drummer the Who
had after Moon died is Ringo's
kid.
He was brilliant at the post
9/11 NYC concert.
Why did Olsen leave the WH?
abyssgazer
For the same reason firemen wear suspenders - to keep his pants up.
Why does Townshend still insist on calling it "The Who"?
BlakNo1
You don't even — you're glib. You don't even know what The Who is. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of The Who. I do.
I'm sorry, but if you come on stage and interrupt while someone is playing, you deserve to be "decapitated".
Now Toby's going to appear and claim that that means we support terrorists.
JP, well met ! (Assuming you're talking to me) hehehe
Well, I'm heading out...going to take a bunch of editing work to some cafe where my wife has a crush on the waitress. What could go wrong?
Play nice! And may Karl Rove be seized by galloping leprosy.
Rop? Of course, I meant "Rip!"
Two SNPAs in the afternoon, and see what hoppens?
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Luskin told NEWSWEEK that Rove "never knowingly disclosed classified information"
"1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act
Sec. 421. Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources
(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to classified information that identifies covert agent.
Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified
information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent... "
This is the angle they'll work; we've got to hope there's some perjury and obstruction of justice happening.
I am sorry to sound like a killjoy, but this will lead nowhere.
sally, I've got no reason to not believe you're right.
Except that even the slumbering sheeple are waking up to the fact that Iraq is a disaster and this junta is a pack of cynical liars. They've whored 9/11 to the nth degree, but the more they are exposed as liars and cynics who are NOT protecting anything but their own political asses and money, the more the genuine 9/11 emotion of this country could finally turn on them.
I'm in the hope zone, anyway.
Once again, I have been smacked down by Tom, and rightly so. 
to the Ethel Merman Disco Album.
Phila | Homepage | 07.02.05 - 5:12 pm | #
You sold the Ethel Merman Disco
Album?
Good lord, man, what kind of a sick
sadistic world do we live in where
that is even possible???????
"Why did Olsen leave the WH?"
Dunno. He left as Solicitor General in July 2004.
A partisan hack, totally unprincipled piece of RW shit.
yea, ringo's kid was the first drummer i'd ever seen channel a bit of keith moon
GWPDA ...
You should have seen it at Javits yesterday: FIVE THOUSAND people who want to be lawyers. And those are just the ones from NY and surrounding environs. I have never been in a more hostile environment in my life.
The only time I saw The Who was sometime in the early Eighties. It was at the Salt Palace in SLC. Townsend was still doing smack at the time as was a mess during the show. Tore up his hand doing the windmill thing on his gutar and was bleeding all over the place. He forgot the words to Behind Blue Eyes and stopped playing guitar for short periods at various points in other songs. He and Daltry fought constantly throughout the show. But still, it was The Who and they were in SLC, so we loved it.
Back in January, Perrspectives held the "Name That Bush Scandal Contest."
With eyes once again turning to Karl Rove as the traitor behind the Valerie Plame outing, it may time for Round II.
By the way, some of the Name That Bush Scandal submissions for the Plame episode and the bogus Niger uranium claims:
- Treasonable Doubt
- Whack-a-Mole
- Intimigate
- Cake Walk
- Rice Cake
- Bay of Fibs
- Let Them Eat Yellowcake
- Nuclear Fleece Movement
- Half-Baked
For more, see:
"The Name That Bush Scandal Contest"
that was the weirdest line. "witness sympathetic to the white house."
Maybe he was afraid to write, "Witnesses for the defense ..."
"Given the choice between typing correctly and drinking a beer, I will always choose drinking a beer!"
crowd goes wild, many tears are shed and patriotic hugs exchanged.
I'll have to see Zack at some point.
I'm sorry, but if you come on stage and interrupt while someone is playing, you deserve to be "decapitated".
BlakNo1
actually The Who didn't represent what Woodstock was all about anyway. It makes as much sense as Celine Dion playing at Lalalapooza. so I don't think Abbie Hoffman should have been 'decapitated.' Possibly gently led offstage with a gift bag, 'later Abbie, later.'
This is the angle they'll work
but if Rove didn't knowingly reveal her identity as an agent, why did he mention her name at all?
Did he just pick her name out of the friggin' phonebook?
and see what hoppens?
Is that a beer pun?
W hates policy meetings but he's all over planning rat-f@*king operations... The guy shared an office with Atwater, in charge of enforcing loyalty to Poppy... W was in on it, probably didn't make the calls, but he was there when they were planning their payback on Wilson. There's no way a guy with his temperment is gonna miss out on that meeting.
"Personally, I'm wondering how they've managed to soldier on without Kenny Jones."
Two words: Zak Starkey.
Kid can flat-out play.
Is Cheney still around since the huffington revelation?
Why would someone sympathetic to the WH say this and why didn't Spikey make a point to say they're sympathetic to the WH?
Ripley: Is that a beer pun?
Indeed, it was -- if I didn't jump on it now, you, Eli or ror would have beat me to it.
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You sold the Ethel Merman Disco
Album?
Good lord, man, what kind of a sick
sadistic world do we live in where
that is even possible???????
More proof that homosexuals are persecuted.
I'm in the hope zone, anyway.
Sharkbabe | Email | 07.02.05 - 5:14 pm | #
I'm with you kiddo.
I have a gut feeling this may be
the moment they unravel.
Can you say "White House Horrors?"
fear: fitzgeralds' exhaustive investigation exonerates all parties except hillary clinton.
One thing that is never mentioned anywhere, even in the blogs, is that at one time Plame served overseas in coutries that were believed to be trying to acquire nuclear capability. Surely, every contact she had in those countries, whether they were assets or not, was compromised and perhaps imprisoned or executed, because of Rove.
Hey Patriotboy- I said that many time, mostly on Whiskey Bar where that point got quite a bit of discussion.
I seem to remember someone in the retired intelligence community (McGovern? I can't remember) saying that the death toll was as high as 50 to 100 people. Of course that's classified and we'll never really know for sure, but there's no doubt there were serious consequences to Rove's mean little project.
But in the mainstream press? no, it didn't get talked about at all.
some cafe where my wife has a crush on the waitress.
Aww. Crushes make the world go round.
Just gotta bring the buzz home. (That's what my favorite 30-years-together gay guy couple say, anyway.)
And for the life of me, I can't remember if he sang lead or backup on Behind Blue Eyes. I just remember him forgetting the words. If he was siniging bavkup, that means he must have really been fucked up, because I think his part would have been singing the words "behind blue eyes."
I can't even allow myself to be optimistic about this. They weasel out of everything.
"witness sympathetic to the white house."
We are witness to the birth of a modified, limited Pravdaspeak as the media rulers adjust to a shift in the discounted present value of their future.
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but we saw yesterday on Romensko that Matthew Cooper already named Cooter Libby....so who's zoomin who???
Once again, I have been smacked down by Tom, and rightly so.
BlakNo1
The important thing is, like you and I talk about The Who, whether they're okay, if I want to know something, I go and find out. Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about The Who. I'll go find more information about them so I can come to an opinion based on the information that I have.
I'm passionate about learning. I'm passionate about life.
Emmanuel Jal teaching the crowd at Eden how to sing the chorus to a song in Arabic. Former child soldier from southern Sudan, refugee in Kenya, adopted, then orphaned, now a rapper.
I wonder if Rove is hooked on smack.
There are lots of things our country doesn't import from the Brits. Thank God Robbie Williams is one of them.
I have never been in a more hostile environment in my life.
Good training, tho. Think of the ways you could have sued....
Who overrated? The devil you say. . .
Saw them do "Tommy" live at Boston University in 1969: the entire crowd was standing on their chairs by the time the show was over. It was the greatest rock 'n roll show I ever saw. Nothing else ever came close. . .
It's my understanding that Rove had tickets to the concert, but didn't go. . .
There are lots of things our country doesn't import from the Brits. Thank God Robbie Williams is one of them.
And yet you export Pariah Carey.
I can't even allow myself to be optimistic about this. They weasel out of everything.
My worst case scenario is that they not only weasel out of it, but turn it back on the Dems as another example of hysterical liberals making a big fuss about nothing.
My best case is that this not only takes Rove (and maybe Bush) down, but thoroughly discredits the "liberal media" once and for all.
I have a gut feeling this may be
the moment they unravel.
Can you say "White House Horrors?"
I hope so too. Someone last night said they didn't understand the whole motive of discrediting Wilson- that there had to be something more there.
I don't think so. On reflection, I think the revenge thing fits in perfectly with Rove's MO. In one fell swoop he accomplishes two things- discredits Wilson's report from Niger thereby not stopping the momentum for georgie's excellent Iraqi adventure AND destroys Wilson's credibility as a ME expert in Washington circles. Wilson's retired, it would be just like Rove to go after his ability to make a living, because as a retired diplomat, Wilson's business depends on his reputation.
Rove is mean spirited enough to do it. It makes perfect sense to me.
At least Mariah is easy on the eyes, if not the ears.
So many straws, way too many. I'm hoping against hope, this one will break the camel's back.
But then again, my husband tells me I'm an eternal optimist.
I have no doubt that Bush would pardon Rove. The only real question is whether Bush would by crazy and stubborn enough to try and keep Rove working in the White House after granting him a pardon. Given the administration's lunacy in continuing to insist that Bolton be approved for the UN and their insane Social Security campaign, it would not surprise me in the least if Bush was oblivious enough about the consequences to attempt to keep Rove as his right-hand man.
Why would someone sympathetic to the WH say this and why didn't Spikey make a point to say they're sympathetic to the WH?
provides cover for the inevitable 'it's just some disgruntled ... etc.' rationale from chimpy's supporters.
"witnesses sympathetic to the Manson Family."
maroon 5's ok but they always sound like they're imitating some other band.
The buzz on this blog is a force in the universe. This energy is burgeoning on the blogs. Keep it going, folks. Our patriotic energy can bring down this junta trying to destroy our country. All they've got is thuggery. They lost the last two elections and have propped themselves up only with thuggery and a bought/intimidated media. Life can turn on a dime.
hey, nothing's stopping you from passing a windfall profits tax on all mariah-related activities.
some cafe where my wife has a crush on the waitress.
Aww. Crushes make the world go round.
Just gotta bring the buzz home. (That's what my favorite 30-years-together gay
guy couple say, anyway.)
Sharkbabe | Email | 07.02.05 - 5:18 pm | #
"No one
Can save us
From Kim
The Waitress"
-- Material Issue
I never saw The Who live anywhere...a total mind effer!
you think you know abbie hoffman. that's just glib. I know abbie hoffman. I've studied abbie hoffman. to say he could be hit on the head. that's just glib. I'm enthusiastic about abbie hoffman. you think you know abbie? that just. look. its glib.
(kudos to 'poster' tom cruise )
Sharkbabe
While I agree with you that the sheeple have started to wake from their slumber, the real problem is still the media. If the MSM turned it’s focus on Chimpy 24/7, the same way they did Clinton, I would give this Whitehouse 2 weeks max.
Can you imagine if a Democrat had pulled all the shit this bunch have done? When Chimp gave his speech last week in front of the troops, can you imagine how the MSM would have dealt with it? They would have had a split screen with the President on one half, and the burning wreckage of the helicopter shot down that day on the other half. The caption would have said something like…….“President says things are going well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
" He and Daltry fought constantly throughout the show. But still, it was The Who and they were in SLC, so we loved it."
Saw them in Cleveland after the kids got trampled in Cinci. Was tripping and near the end went down right in front of the stage and the crush was so intense you could lift your feet and still be unright. Not a pretty picture, tripping and all...
i saw the who on one of their farewell tours. Was surpsingly good. I actually thought the best bits were the entwistle songs.
via romensko
From SUSAN STABLEY, reporter, South Florida Business Journal: I don't understand why, in all the recent articles about Miller-Cooper-Novak and the Plame case, no one states the name of the leaker. The man who revealed the identity of an undercover CIA agent was I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff for Vice President Dick Cheney, at least, according to Cooper.
Cooper was the speaker at the recent SPJ awards in South Florida. He told a room full of reporters that he revealed his source -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff for Vice President Dick Cheney -- after Libby released him from his obligation to protect his identity. The Washington Post reported the identity of Cooper's source -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff for Vice President Dick Cheney -- in August 2004. Cooper told us at the SPJ event that his current legal crisis had to do with a follow-up subpoena from investigators who were fishing for all his notes.
A quickie Google news search for Libby and Plame only has this link.
Punch in Miller, Cooper and Plame and you get a couple hundred of articles:
So, again, why why why, is not the name of the source -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff for Vice President Dick Cheney -- in every single story about Miller-Cooper-Novak? And instead of wondering about Novak, I want to know: what will happen to Libby?
What people don't understand is that this isn't about laws or "right and wrong"... it's about moral values.
Sure, maybe Rove leaked the name of an undercover CIA op who was investigating the possibility of nuclear weapons in the hands of hostile entities.
But who wouldn't do that to protect the institution of marriage?!? Honestly, who among us wouldn't?
/random red-state citizenspeak
Maroon 5 doing a decent version of "Rocking in the Free World" in Phila.
Rove will have a difficult time weaseling out of a perjury charge.
And just what the fuck was the matter with him, calling Tweety and saying, "Wilson's wife is fair game." What kind of bullshit is that?
You don't like what someone says about you so you go after their wife and kids? These thugs are way worse than the mafia.
Rove is mean spirited enough to do it. It makes perfect sense to me.
four legs good
That might have been me, pointing out it also put Plame out of action. Two birds withone stone.
But you've got a good point.
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"Gravatar I wonder if Rove is hooked on smack."
--patriotboy
Even in the darkest of times, you can make me laugh. And that is a good thing.
Sure, maybe Rove leaked the name of an undercover CIA op who was investigating the possibility of nuclear weapons in the hands of hostile entities.
But who wouldn't do that to protect the institution of marriage?!? Honestly, who among us wouldn't?
/random red-state citizenspeak
The scary part is, I can imagine David P. or Toby coming here and arguing along those lines.
My worst case scenario is that they not only weasel out of it, but turn it back on the Dems as another example of hysterical liberals making a big fuss about nothing.
Outing a covert agent during wartime is not "nothing", it's a serious blow to national security seriously impedes our ability to send agents to these countries to help fight the War on Terror.
It's also an extremely serious crime, and an especially despicable act when it's done to settle a petty political score with a diplomat who saved dozens of American lives before Gulf 1.
I don't think this is going to be swept under the rug, by any stretch of the imagination - Americans hate traitors.
So is this concert being telecast? on what channel?
(I'll admit I just woke up 45 minutes ago.)
Shark! Shark!!!
SHAAAAAAAAARK!!!!!!!
I saw the who in San Diego on the whos next tour, I was 14, and scored front row seats.
My second concert, stood on the seats the whole time, Moon had a nose bleed, played his heart out, playboy bunnies came on stage after a song, moon threw out to the audience a bunch of joints,fucking loud, townshend leaping and sliding,loud, fucking loud.
I was that kid in the early scenes in 'almost famous'(it starts in San Diego).
Pink Floyd, coming up next; london feed....
*i think*
Rove is mean spirited enough to do it. It makes perfect sense to me.
four legs good |
I agree, and it demonstrates to other "troublemakers" how deeply they'll reach to get revenge. It's the same old MO.
4lg--Rove was kinda in the zone at that time. Discrediting critics was coming so easily. Perhaps he wasn't quite as careful as he should've been.
So, maybe as a pre-emptive strike, they tried to discredit Spikey/Newsweek and, lo and behold, who is that has the Rove-as-source story?
spooky.
Maroon 5 do a decent live version
of AC/DC's ..... shit, I forget
which one.
OT for a moment. Just watching the live8 feed. does anyone know when Pink Floyd is to perform?
So who will fall on the sword for Rove?
I think Floyd may be on next.
"Wilson's wife is fair game." What kind of bullshit is that?"
--four legs good
Get with the program. Wilson's wife is a "woman." Fair game as far as the republicans are concerned.
I saw the Mamas and the Papas...and Scott McKenzie sang, "Are you going to San ZZZZZZzzzzzz ZZZZZZzzzz ZZZZZZZZzzzz
Maroon 5 do a decent live version
of AC/DC's ..... shit, I forget
which one.
Highway to Hell, I think
So who will fall on the sword for Rove?
If your ethics demand that you go to jail to protect Karl Rove...
... you have some weird-ass ethics.
I saw Aerosmith when they were all hooked on smack too. A new band I had never heard of until then, AC/DC, was the warm up act. They kicked Aerosmith's ass, and I was blessed with the experience of being knocked off my chair by bodyguards as the guitar player took his stroll through the audience.
Saw the Who in sixty- . . . . seven?
Good show - then-shocking smoke and dry ice effects - yet they seemed very - internal?
Maroon 5 also did Neil Young's Rockin' in the Free World
Outing a covert agent during wartime is not "nothing", it's a serious blow to national security seriously impedes our ability to send agents to these countries to help fight the War on Terror.
I don't disagree; I just don't think we can underestimate the Republicans' ability to propagate self-serving lies & spin through a complicit media. Our best long-term hope is if the American public not only says, "Hey, the Republicans are lying!", but also, "Hey, the media is HELPING them lie!"
A huge factor is how much cover Dems give them. The drill for any negative Bushco thing is, its tool Russert summons Biden, its "dem" tool, to lick Bushco's ass.
But I somehow think we're outside this whole game here anymore. Let the "opposition" quislings quisl. Some true crack has split Rove's earth, and that of all these Biden suckups too. We'll see. People have the power might just be a song and it might not.
And just what the fuck was the matter with him, calling Tweety and saying, "Wilson's wife is fair game." What kind of bullshit is that?
Damn, I actually forgot about that "fair game" comment. This maniacal, paranoid anger combined with an astonishing arrogance that clouded rational judgment is what undid Nixon.
Some people just don't learn from history, I guess.
A huge factor is how much cover Dems give them.
And the media.
Ray Davies pulled us up on stage once.
Have I mentioned this before
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What did Bush know, and when did he know it?
"I want to know the truth," the president continued. "Leaks of classified information are bad things."
He added that he did not know of "anybody in my administration who leaked classified information."
Because it's not about the sex, it's about the lying, ya know.
I don't disagree; I just don't think we can underestimate the Republicans' ability to propagate self-serving lies & spin through a complicit media. Our best long-term hope is if the American public not only says, "Hey, the Republicans are lying!", but also, "Hey, the media is HELPING them lie!"
Eli
Ah, yes, the conservative equivalent of "The Brown Noise".
David (Austin Tx
I hope that Neil shows them how it's done from Toronto, if he's really there.
OT: anyone heard of Burnin Red Ivanhoe?
The Who up next from London.
GDoyle
I saw Aerosmith with Guns N Roses opening in 1988. GNR blew Smith off the stage. Smith weren't bad, they were just very slick and over-rehearsed.
I never saw The Who live anywhere...a total mind effer
I saw The Who at the Meadowlands, which sucked. The band was OK, but seeing a band from a half mile away just blows. Last arena show I'll ever go to.
Except if NKOTB ever get back together!
aerosmith probably woulda just provided a slow drip of drug overdose headlines if not for run dmc
"There are lots of things our country doesn't import from the Brits. Thank God Robbie Williams is one of them."
Maybe it’s because I grew up with the The Beatles, the Stones, Bowie, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Queen, Elton John, etc etc but I find Robbie Williams rather ordinary.
Sorry Atrios.
Can someone please let me know where you're watching Live 8? Cnannel?
I worked with Joe Perry's mom - do I get points for that?
sally,
that's the point. we *don't* import him. it's a good thing.
I saw Heart while tripping on acid. Later that night me and two other tripping friends watched a UFO fly around for about a half hour. The tripping part always tends to discredit my story, but I swear I saw it. I don't know what it was, but we lived near Thiokol Chemical Corp, an aerospace contractor, and God knows what they might have been experimenting with.
This maniacal, paranoid anger combined with an astonishing arrogance that clouded rational judgment is what undid Nixon.
More importantly, was the US House of Representatives was controlled by Democrats (Senate too) at the time, I believe. That ain't the case today and is probably the difference between losing and "winning" from the WH POV.
I saw Aerosmith with Guns N Roses opening in 1988.
I heard Axl Rose did drugs once.
The Who!
I know it's crude, but what has to be repeated is that George Bush was advised by traitors, and anyone who supports Bush supports traitors. Never underestimate the power of a starkly drawn, easily remembered slogan.
I'm just hopng all of this is actually true. They've pulled tantalizing bait-and-switches before.
I never saw The Who anywhere either. Had an opportunity to see them at Shea Stadium with Joan Jett opening, but who wants to see a band in Shea Stadium?
Sall, I think that was a typo.
The Who are performing now!
me and my dad are on our second bottle of elitist chilean red wine - Isla Negra.
" especially despicable act when it's done to settle a petty political score "
Some have speculated that it was as much a warning to others in the CIA as it was payback. Intimidation seems to be reaching record levels with this admin. It makes me wonder just what they are holding over people.
aerosmith probably woulda just provided a slow drip of drug overdose headlines if not for run dmc
Atrios
Walk which way?
this story is getting weirder by the minute.
wow, pete had a kick ass intro,glad to see him abuse that guitar!
Much like what I just did....
I saw Heart while tripping on acid. Later that night me and two other tripping friends watched a UFO fly around for about a half hour.
I friend of mune did acid for the first time at a Grateful Dead show at nassau Colisseum. As she was being driven home on the LIE she saw the electonic signs over the highway which warn of traffic jams, etc, saying "Your Mother Knows You're Tripping."
I don't know what it was, but we lived near Thiokol Chemical Corp, an aerospace contractor, and God knows what they might have been experimenting with.
you were obviously putting on your O-Ring face. "stay away from the brwon acid, man!"
ah, I see. "one of the things we don't import" is what I meant.
You can see Live8 feed on AOL.com, or watch VH1/MTV.
I like the who and all, but I want Pink Floyd
Eli
I can see it.
Nobody gets anything pinned on them, and it looks like a huge Dan Rather thing.
The Dems come out looking like vicuous kooks.
The Rebups come out looking hurt, angry and righteous.
I'm equally comfortable seeing a band at a stadium or a club.
However, these days, I prefer the option of being able to sit. Getting old, I suppose.
Hubris has always humbled the mighty and always will. Law of the universe and human nature, still best expressed by the old the Greek dramatists. This junta has rolled over everything with such ease, it believes its megalomania is reality and the order of things.
Thank you, angry people of Iraq and your resistance. You are the key to this drama.
Okay, where's the feed for this thing?
Back to Rove again- I don't think this had anything to do with stopping anything Plame was working on.
I think the answers are much smaller, more mean spirited and closer to home.
Fucking thug assholes. They all deserve to go down. And wouldn't it be fun to see weasely Scottie and his predecessor go down too? Who was more smarmy than Ari Fleischer?
And I'm sure chimpy was up to his eyeballs in this- he learned his thuggery at the knee of Atwater.
I suspect that Rove will protect him to the end though.
What Dem will go on "Hardball" and bust Matthews in the face: "So, Chris, when you were calling Rove a 'genius' during the campaign, you already knew he was a goddam fucking traitor who'd outed a CIA agent? You fucking piece of shit."
What Dem has balls enough to do that?
There's gotta be one.
I so want to be wrong on this, agave. But I really have no historical reason for optimism - they've taken some poll damage, but they haven't even come *close* to any kind of criminal consequences for anything.
I took my mom to see Bowie at Foxboro Stadium while I was tripping my face off on shrooms. I had a great time.
Steve Simels
I saw The Who with Ringo's kid drumming at the Hollywood Bowl about five years ago, I guess. The Kid was good -- except he got a little off on one song and Townsend gave him grief up on the stage. It was a good show, though.
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mht...50718&
s=greider
"Grover Norquist, ringmaster for the right's tax-cutting circus, mischievously compared minority Democrats in Congress to a bunch of neutered farm animals. Once snipped, he said, they can be counted on to accept comfortably 'the finality of their powerlessness.' Norquist often employs such tasteless metaphors. He also often gets the politics right.
"At this moment, Senate Democrats are preparing to take a dive on the issue they have righteously hammered for four years--repeal of the estate tax--and they intend to call this 'victory.' . . . The maneuvering illustrates, once again, the defeatist mentality of the party establishment. Always eager to avoid a fight on matters of conviction, the Dems' one inflexible principle is incumbent self-protection.
"The Democratic action is shocking and cynical. It ought to trigger a storm of protest from the liberal faithful and heavy bombardments from progressive bloggers. Dem leaders know they will likely offend rank-and-file supporters, but they also figure they can get away with it. . . .
"The rancid politics of retreat created the minority status and promises to sustain it. It tells me the party in Washington is not likely to change much until groups of aroused outsiders, progressives and others, are truly mobilized to punish their wayward and disloyal incumbents."
etc.
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Love Greider. His "Who Will Tell the People?" is one of the best things I have ever seen on TV, particularly the Bob Woodward moment.
What Dem has balls enough to do that?
There's gotta be one.
Jack Valenti?
Thanks, David (Austin Tx)!
When the Who take the stage in Hyde Park in London on Saturday, July 2, for the Live 8 show, you might not recognize some of the guys. Of course, Pete Townshend and Roger Daltrey will be there, but drummer Zak Starkey and bassist Pino Palladino won't, as they both were unavailable. Daltrey and Townshend both consider this to be a special event, so they've assembled a new band for the night, with Steve White on drums and Damon Minchella on bass, in addition to longtime Who sidemen John "Rabbit" Bundrick on keyboards and Simon Townshend on guitar. Minchella was a member of the British band the Ocean Colour Scene, and White's resume includes working with James Taylor, Difford & Tilbrook, Dr. John, and many others.
The Who will are expected to perform "Won't Get Fooled Again" and "Baba O'Riley".
Zak Starkey is out on tour with Oasis this year, and they play in Manchester on Sa"turday."
Oh right, I understand Atrios, duh! sorry.
Actually, Williams did have a reasonably successful tour of the US I believe.
Some friends of mine have seen him live in London, and were quite impressed. But he is not my cup of tea.
"So, Chris, when you were calling Rove a 'genius' during the campaign, you already knew he was a goddam fucking traitor who'd outed a CIA agent? You fucking piece of shit."
"But - but - but I meant an evil genius!"
I never saw The Who anywhere either. Had an opportunity to see them at Shea Stadium with Joan Jett opening, but who wants to see a band in Shea Stadium?
I once saw the Mets lose 5-2 to Bachman-Turner Overdrive at Shea.
Ugh, why is Zak wasting his time with a garbage band like Oasis?
Is Daltry wearing bifocals? Who are you? No, really, who are you? I can't remember your name...
I am not a fan of Coldplay, Travis or Robbie Williams.
Coldplay in my opinoin are dull and boring. Same goes for Travis.
Robbie Williams just irritates me.
During his October 7, 2003 Cabinet meeting, George W. Bush, the same man who as presidential candidate who promised to "uphold the honor and dignity of the office" had this to say about the despicable act of treason committed by his White House:
"Well, the investigators will ask our staff about what people did or did not do. This is a town of -- where a lot of people leak. And I've constantly expressed my displeasure with leaks, particularly leaks of classified information. And I want to know, I want to know the truth. I want to see to it that the truth prevail. And I hope we can get this investigation done in a thorough way, as quickly as possible...
Randy, you tell me, how many sources have you had that's leaked information that you've exposed or have been exposed? Probably none. I mean this town is a -- is a town full of people who like to leak information. And I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration official. Now, this is a large administration, and there's a lot of senior officials. I don't have any idea. I'd like to. I want to know the truth. That's why I've instructed this staff of mine to cooperate fully with the investigators -- full disclosure, everything we know the investigators will find out. I have no idea whether we'll find out who the leaker is -- partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers. But we'll find out."
Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and/or others may yet be frog-marched out of the White House. Whatever the resolution of the Plame scandal, President Bush will certainly deserve no thanks in seeing justice done.
[From "A Nod and a Wink: Bush on the Plame Scandal"]
I saw The Who at the old Foxboro Stadium in Massachusetts back in 1988. They were okay, but a couple things sucked. One, I was far away so the sound was mediocre. Two, they had no opening act so they started right at 7:00 PM....in the summertime. It was still light out, kinda ruined the atmosphere. They played all of Tommy then took a 1/2 hour break. The second half was their classics from other albums, so that was better. Plus it was dark by then, so cooler. But I've seen better shows. The Who was always on my B list. Good band, I love Townshend. But they could never match Zeppelin or The Beatles or Floyd in my book.
Isn't Pete Townsend deaf as a stone at this point?
"lawyers representing a witness sympathetic to the whitehouse" Good eyes there suzie in philly, my first read was who could that mean and what would be there motive for talking.
hmmmmm can read this several different ways.
Could it be lawyers for Mr. Novakula? Could it be lawyers for some other journalists? They are sympathetic to the WH but might are more interested in saving their own butts.
or
Could it be lawyers for Libby or Cheney,or Bushboy himself? Maybe they are trying to make Rove the fallguy trying to cover their own clients perhaps treasonous acts.... Trying to deflect attention away from more important people like the vp or even pres.
Most interesting wording.....boy investigative journalism is hard, hard work. Inquiring minds want to know.
Between the concert and the SCOTUS stuff, this story is getting zero play on the news networks!!! As mentioned above-What better time to put out a story!!!!
oh, MTV decided to throw us a bone. thanks...
Has Wilson ever mentioned the deaths resultant from Plame's outing? I don't recall this and wonder why. I don't think he made this point at the Conyers basement hearing.
Also, if this Plame outing isn't framed as a crime by the media I don't think the slumbering masses are going to understand the import. I just don't think they care. At this point they think the prez does everything for their highest good. Even if it's against the law.
Wish I could hang around but this is a driveby, just some things I've been thinking about lately.
Have a great day, everyone!
They played all of Tommy then took a 1/2 hour break
You must've seen the 2nd night. The first night they played about 45 minutes worth of Tommy.
My father is watching The Who and he must be old because the Who look old.
Imagine prime time tv interview when Traitor Rove is asked the simple questions why did you betray the nation?
Republicans put their party in front of the nation...
The Beatles at the Bowl. I nearly melted. And the best part was when one of the fans jumped into the fountain. Good times.
I saw Heart while tripping on acid. Later that night me and two other tripping friends watched a UFO fly around for about a half hour. The tripping part always tends to discredit my story, but I swear I saw it.
I saw Heart in 79- I was stoned, but not tripping. And I didn't see any UFOs afterwards.
I feel gipped now. 
i flew to an invitation-only pizzicato five accoustic concert @ bunkamura cocoon in shibuya, tokyo for new years eve 99/00.
OK
Novak says two admin officials talked to him.
Is Rove one of them, if so why aren't we talking about the other.
My sense is that that's not the case.
Roves actions were separate, but connected, from the original two.
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Sorry I been missin the music, just figured with my dialup it wasn't even worth trying for a stream.
Anyway pop music re world issues - just seems like a lot of running on fumes and nostalgic self-indulgence. Yeah, great old acts, we loved em when, I was there in the sixties even, so what.
To me the energy of every commenter here has more consequence to the world.
i saw Coolio at the Boathouse in Norfolk, Va., in 1995.
beat that!
What the hell kind of grown man calls himself "Scooter?"
So I set up a gravatar. Do I have to do something to make it appear here? (sorry, I think I'm rather tech savvy but this one is lost on me.)
Editoress,
It appears on its own once they've "rated" it, on their site. You'll get an email.
WTF? AOL feed is crapping out.
"Who's Next" is one of the great rock albums of all time. In terms of sound fidelity, it has rarely been matched. Sounds unbelievably thunderous, especially on vinyl. They were trying to make a concept album called "Lifehouse" that was about ten times more ambitious than "Tommy." Something about actually living in the concert hall or something. Well, "Lifehouse" never panned out, but the songs Townshend had written ended up becoming "Who's Next."
They're playing "Won't Get Fooled Again" right now. That song is still really powerful, a brilliant political rock song. The message is, "Fuck it, politics is bullshit, keep living your lives the best you can, because politicians won't take care of you."
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
They could have easily been talking about Tony Blair.
I saw the Beastie Boys open for the Dead Kennedys! Top that!
I have been watching the concert today here in the UK.
The trouble is that some of these bands were getting on a bit 20 years ago, for the last Geldof extravaganza. Some bands, like The Who, almost need wheelchairs to come on now.
Still love em though
I honestly can't think of any band I would want to see in a stadium now.
I had been going through this total retro-70's music phase because I truly hate so many of the more popular bands nowadays. I realize that makes me sound old, but too much of what I hear just comes across as dreary and derivative.
Puddle of Pud, Syndrome of a Down, Excrenescence, I'd rather listen to my cats coughing up hairballs.
And please don't get me started on the generic guy/girl singer/songwriter with an acoustic guitar cliche. I've heard these people so many times, all I hear now is "Youuuu, lite up my Liiife!" when I am trapped in a bar with one of them.
Then, I went to a music festival in Athens, GA this past weekend, and heard some incredibly refreshing multi-instrumental, from-the-heart music, and I decided it was small clubs for me for the forseeable future.
Try to imagine if keith moon were alive today, trying to play his style of drumming.
shark,
bbc has audio only feeds, probably dialup friendly
I like the "G8- The World is Watching" sign behind the stage.
Incidentally, HBO just did a film called "The Girl in the Cafe" which was about a lonely diplomat who meets a girl (yes, in a cafe) and ends up taking her with him as his SO to the G8 conference. His area is poverty issues, and the film is about what goes on at the G8 (and of course the americans look like asses, because we are asses).
It's pretty good.
stupid MTV veejays. words I never thought I would say: Praise allah for aol.
Wow.... Daltry's still got it... jeebus...
I saw that Girl in the Cafe movie. I only watched because the hot girl from Trainspotting starred! I love that girl!
Absolute power...something, something.
I saw the Beastie Boys open for the Dead Kennedys! Top that!
first show by Gang of Four in North America.
I saw the Beastie Boys open for the Dead Kennedys! Top that!
I saw Rosie Grier sit on Sirhan Sirhan.... 'Course, I was very, very, very, very young.
The Cure live in Paris. Good band if you're into 80's alternative.
GDoyle
first show by Gang of Four in North America.
That's pretty good. I saw a show on Gang of Four's "Farewell Tour" about 20 years ago.
PS I caught a gig by Echo & The Bunnymen that might have been their first US show, but I'm not sure enough to claim it.
Damn, Robert Smith has gotten fat. Kinda looking like Karl Rove as a matter of fact.
GDoyle
"Transpotting..." Saw that film. Hated it. So I went again. Loved it. Go figure.
Although I think their latest is sorely lacking, I like System Of A Down and I'm looking forward to seeing them.
OT
http://www.newsday.com/news/loca...n-
apconnecticut
"OxyContin maker plans more than 800 layoffs..."
Damn, look what happens when they lose their best customer.
Try to imagine if keith moon were alive today, trying to play his style of
drumming.
james | 07.02.05 - 5:54 pm | #
Only guy in rock history to play
lead drums.
Listen to the early Who stuff....
nothing like it before or since.....
Saw the Who in '80 at the Oakland Coliseum Arena... blew my hearing out for three days. I've got a photo a friend took of Townsend from that show on my wall right now - they were embracing their "proto-punk" standing at the time, and Townsend's wearing a sleeveless t-shirt, is clean-shaven, and looks for all the world like that gawky nasty kid he was in '65.
Saw 'em again in (I think) a "farewell" tour in '82. The Clash opened. This was the "replacement drummer" tour - Kenny Jones was still replacing Moon for the Who, and Tory Crimes had come back to replace Topper Headon in the Clash while Topper went thru detox.
The night before the Oakland show, we drove down to Sacramento to see the Clash headline a small converted film palace. That was a fucking awesome show.
I saw the Beastie Boys open for the Dead Kennedys! Top that!
For $5 I saw Pearl Jam (touring as Mookie Blaylock at the time) open for Alice In Chains.
Did The Who get tuckered out? Did they run off stage to catch the earlybird dinner special at Denny's?
Clash, four nights at Pier 84 in nyc. on the final night it threatened rain during the whole show, held off until they broke into White Riot, and then it came down in bucke6ts. incredible.
then the next year there was that little incident at Bonds.
aaah, the 80's.
Did The Who get tuckered out?
I think each band only gets 20 minutes.
RIIIBBIT RIIIBBIT ROVVVIT.
Listen to the early Who stuff....
nothing like it before or since.....
steve simels
Too true.
There was only one 'Moon the Loon'
I'll never understand this vehement attraction to "classic" rock. It's all just nostalgia crap like listening to 50s do-whop music.
Having come of age in the 1960s I couldn't have imagined anyone then wetting themselves over music from the 1920s - 40 years earlier. Christ that would have been like listening to vaudeville show tunes in 1965. You'd have been declared legally insane.
I simply can't figure the attraction of 60 year old guys performing songs they wrote 30-40 years earlier.
It beats me!
Saw Guided By Voices, with the classic "Bee Thousand/Alien Lanes" lineup at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco back in 1996. Still the best rock show I've ever seen.
I saw Stevie Wonder open for the Rolling Stones (Chicago Amphitheatre, summer of 1972)
"Who's Next" is one of the great rock albums of all time.
It's at the top of my list.
Only guy in rock history to play
lead drums.
Listen to the early Who stuff....
nothing like it before or since.....
Lissen to Mr Simels, y'all.
Best concert I ever saw, The Who in Mempho in Nov 75.
Flunked a quantitative analysis test the next day because of it.
Did The Who get tuckered out? Did they run off stage to catch the earlybird dinner special at Denny's?
The Kenosha Kid
It must be Seniors Discount weekend at Denny's.
God, how can anyone not love "Won't Get Fooled Again"
The Who! Aren't they worried that the stage will start to stink from the rotting corpses?
The Kenosha Kid - 4:51 pm
Yeah, I started to get suspicious when I heard that Keith Moon was back.
From Capitol Buzz:
"But in an interview with NEWSWEEK, Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove had been interviewed by Cooper for the article. It is unclear, however, what passed between Cooper and Rove."
So all they've got are notes indicating that Rove spoke to Cooper - not that Rove leaked Plame's name. Having said that, we now have confirmation that Rove was talking to Cooper on deep background about something. Surely, he shouldn't be allowed access to any top secret info until this matter is closed.
What are the chances of the White House telling him to take some vacation time until it's resolved? About as good as them complying with subpoenas from the special prosecutor?
then the next year there was that little incident at Bonds.
Aaah, yes! I WAS young once!
It's well above catching Turd Blossom in just another dirty trick. What we have now is the Chief of Staff of the Vice President and the Presidents most Senior Political Advisor conspiring and enacting a crime under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982
This is some heavy shit. I put together an argument that I hope is pretty compelling on how serious this should be taken.
Has anyone mentioned the fact that Rove's elevation to White House advisor status allows him to claim executive privilege and thus avoid testifying before Congress on Plame? Might this not suggest a higher level cover-up?
I'm remembering September 2004, when it was revealed Bill "forged Bush Nat Guard documents" Burkett had spoken to Joe Lockhart at the Kerry campaign. That was a story for like 4 days, and the RNC chairman went on TV to ask "what did the Kerry campaign know and when did they know it?" AKA, he used the famous quote from the Watergate hearings, which of course ended in the resignation of the president, so his implication was clear.
Well, I expect the same wall-to-wall coverage and balls-out attacks by partisans about this as I do that affair. I'm sure I won't get it.
Don't forget to add perjury to the heap
Notice how Rove's lawyer says Rove never "knowingly" outed Plame. Just an innocent mistake at worst then. Pardon the poor man, Mr. President, he was blameless at heart. A couple pictures of Rove going to church and he's back in business at the White House, his chair barely cool from his absence.
Why not? Bush doesn't have to worry about reelection, and we all know that if you repent and Jeebus forgives you that you're better than you ever were. With all that the religious right has forgiven already, this would be but a minor bump in the road. Who they gonna turn to, the Dems? And of course this is all gonna be coming out during the hoopla over O'Conner's successor, so it'll be easy enough to pardon the guy and sweep it under the rug. The fundies will be virtually forced to forgive Carl loudly and obnoxiously, not wanting to undercut their power in the upcoming Supremes battles. All can be sacrificed on the altar of Roe v Wade, they've shown that time and time again for decades.
Ah, for the days of the old open-minded conservatives:
Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass. -- Barry Goldwater's response to Jerry Falwell stating he was concerned that Sandra Day O'Connor might be moderate on abortion and other social issues, 1981.
A lot of so-called conservatives don't know what the word means. They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right. -- Goldwater interview with the Los Angeles Times, 1994
Rove is indeed an evil bastard but let's not forget Public Enemy Number One. President Shithead is still the one who most deserves a lengthy prison sentence.
Ok, but where do bald-headed gay prostitutes fit into all this.
Let's face it. This will go nowhere. The "press" will never allow it. Look at any news source tonight, e.g., Yahoo headlines. It's stuff about something called "Facebook," gasoline theft, and cough medicine. The story is already down the memory hole. Should a problem arise for the regime, the Coward from Crawford will pardon everyone to universal cheering on the country's "editorial" pages. Hell, jeff greenfield has already suggested it. I'd love to see what was my country saved, but it's not going to happen.
He said Luskin. He he.
Good point - aren't pigs supposed to be very biologically similar to humans?
Eli:
Indeed. Pigs are the missing link.
~~~~~~~~
Personally, I've always thought it was I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby who outed Plame.
Rove always makes certain nothing ever gets traced back to him. That is pretty much his MO.
The key is that the law states they must "knowingly" have outed someone so there is a way to lie out of it.
It seems to me all they'd have to claim is they didn't know she was uncover.
At any rate, BushCo has gotten by with so much corruption thus far it is hard to imagine that anything will be done about this.
If it comes out that it was Libby and/or Rove I think Bush will have a tough go of ignoring this since he made such an issue about hating leakers and cooperating to find the leaker(s.
Whew, I thought I'd never get to the end of the posts. You'd almost think this was an Open Thread instead of being a discussion about one of the most evil administrations ever to befoul the White House with their sulfur and brimstone presence.
Sorry about that rock-n-roller posters, but about halfway through reading the posts, I began wondering if a new "troll tactic" might be taking a serious discussion about White House corruption and injecting a completely different topic into the mix. Just another RW diversionary scheme? Just like the RW diversionary tactics in the RW news media?
BTW, one of my favorite rock-n-roll memories was listening to a Righteous Brothers concert at Stephen F Austin College long ago while playing tennis on the courts behind the gym where they were playing (concert was sold out, couldn't get in). The acoustics behind the gym were fantastic.
Wake up. All things liberal in America that we take for granted, like the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, are under constant 24/7 attack by these people. The RW evil besetting our country and liberties never sleeps.
For instance, regarding music and old-time Rock N' Roll, Clear Channel and Sinclair decided last year they wanted to share Christian rock with all of us (and redirect radio royalties to Christian rock groups as much as possible). So within days (or even the same day) the radio stations that these two RW religious groups control (several thousand) abruptly changed their format. After the change, I started hearing contemporary Christian rock group music being played, singing about original sin, how far is it to heaven, etc. And I started hearing older songs being played that contained Christian/lyrical themes...heaven, hell, angels, etc.
I consider myself a Christian, but I don't like to be surreptitiously proselytized over radio stations, or television, or whatever is being turned currently into a Christian propaganda outlet...like the White House. Anyway, no one else seems to have noticed what some RW nuts have done over the publicly-owned airwaves at the radio stations they own. But, then again, what the RW nuts have done is sneaky, very sneaky.
Just as sneaky as some White House nut telling Novak and other reporters about the top-secret identity of Valerie Plame, thus endangering our national security, Mrs. Plame, and her many contacts over the years.
Loose Lips Sink Ships!!!! This World War II slogan is still valid. When I had a top secret clearance in the USAF back in the 1970s, this slogan was still used to drum into our minds the seriousness of national security disclosures.
I wouldn't expect Rove and other wingnuts in the White House, who didn't ever serve in the military, to honor this war-time slogan. Maybe if they had served, then they would stop treating the U.S. military as if it were a third-class institution filled with a bunch of third-class soldiers (with first class reserved for their campaign-contributing defense contractors). And they might even give a damn about our national security, instead of all the lip service they provide.
Before: Iraq was not a national security issue. After launching a preemptive, elective war: Now it is.
Bush, himself, represents a national security danger. One of his close advisers who outed Valerie Plame is a national security danger. The members of Congress who keep allowing these things to occur, uncontested, are a national security danger. The religious fundamentalist Christian frauds who keep attacking our liberties are national security dangers.
George Orwell just missed the date of the subversion of our democracy by about twenty years. Even though the roots of the subversion of our democracy were planted around 1984. Now we are seeing the poisonous fruit of this planting from 20-25 years ago. And the poisonous fruit has a face...George W. Bush.
It's probably a little late in this thread to mention it, and I'm stealing the point from Josh Marshall, but when Wesley Clarke said that he called the White House it took maybe five minutes for the administration, not realizing that he was joking, to produce phone records disproving his assertion.
But don't worry. They're bending over backwards to help the Plame investigation.
leap frog rove right into prisom
he never realized that it was classified?
and this absolves him somehow?
please
if anyone can't see the threat a rove poses to national scurity they need to step back and ask themselves what they mean by national security.
leap frog him right into prison.
the little bitch that he is will probably enjoy it
Blogtarting alert!
Safire diddles while Rove burns
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