Hate-rios (get it? get it? are I a right-wing comedian yet?), how DARE you point out the logical inconsistency between 'stable democracy' and 'terrorist battlezone'!!!!
Don't you know that by refusing to hold two contradictory ideas in your mind at the same time, you are only providing aid and comfort to the terra-ists?
We shouldn't limit ourselves to fighting terra in Iraq and Britain. Let's also create flypaper in Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Colombia, Russia and Canada.
NTodd |
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07.09.05 - 1:06 pm | #
I've been worried about hornets in my yard. We haven't had that many really but last year I got stung. So I decided to set up a breeding ground for hornets in my neighbor's yard. He didn't have any before but I figure better his yard than mine.
So now there are thousands and thousands of hornets multipying in his yard and spreading through the neighborhood and starting to sting other neighbors.
But I should be safe from the hornets, right?
Thumb |
07.09.05 - 1:06 pm | #
"But, we will be resolute! Now watch this drive..."
Good one D!
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07.09.05 - 1:07 pm | #
Bush is terribly confused I thought he wanted to bring democracy to Iraq instead he says Iraq is a flypaper. You can't have a democratic governement while your country is being used as a battleground
The wingnuts are incredbily stupid.
If they were smart they would of invaded Saudi Arabia right? instead cause they are very stupid they go fucking up Iraq.
The Neocons are fucking incomptent.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 1:07 pm | #
Well GWB is resolute. Stupid, shallow, inflexible, but resolute.
It's a case of 'dancin' with the girl what brought ya' -- straight over a cliff.
Davis X. Machina |
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07.09.05 - 1:07 pm | #
Imagine. Those of us who loathe w and his cronies sitting here, comfortably, eating, drinking, making love. . .
Imagine. You are a native of Bagdad who has watched family members and friends being blown up, clean drinking water supplied only intermitently, your home subject to search at any moment 24/7, no electricity. . .
Who do you think hates w more.
And by extension all Americans.
I just don't know what else we could have done to stop this march to war.
QL in NY |
07.09.05 - 1:07 pm | #
QL in NY: I just don't know what else we could have done to stop this march to war.
SWR was here a few days back, suggesting a solidarity march with Dick Durbin might have that effect, but...
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.09.05 - 1:09 pm | #
he's a Popular Wartime Preznit!™
Zappatero |
07.09.05 - 1:11 pm | #
Of course, thumb, the hornets have forgotten all about you. So happy with their new territory
~ |
07.09.05 - 1:11 pm | #
Well, there goes my wonderful day. BTW, someone here keeps recommending that we turn off our tvs to maintain our sanity. I tried it a few weeks ago. You know what. You really come to appreciate the silence, and my rage has definitely diminished.
QL in NY |
07.09.05 - 1:11 pm | #
The whole thing is so...inappropriate. I mean, Bush says "In this dark hour..." like it was the Battle of Britain or something. WTF?
Doesn't this rhetoric sound exaggerated and just fucking misplaced? Like the utterances of someone who is mentally ill.
fear is the mind killer |
07.09.05 - 1:12 pm | #
fear is the mind killer: Like the utterances of someone who is mentally ill.
And... your point is...?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.09.05 - 1:13 pm | #
One bright spot: I've noticed over the last two days that more and more of the TV newscasts are pointing out that "Iraq has become a terrorist training ground" and that those newly trained recruits are being dispatched around the world.
Now, if they and the public can just me the logical connection . . .
I was thinking of the PR image of GWB being a rancher.
The picture I had in my head was him walking through a field that cattle have been kept in, & GWB "resolutly" stepping in the same cow pie multiple times.
Doug |
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07.09.05 - 1:14 pm | #
We are the cartoon character who falls into a room plastered with fly paper and ends up completely covered with it.
Elaine Supkis |
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07.09.05 - 1:14 pm | #
I just don't know what else we could have done to stop this march to war.
Unfortunately the fix was in from the beginning. Short of putting some magical potion in the water supplies that raises your IQ by 60 points overnight and instills a sense of skepticism towards authority... we did what we could.
You know, the only people who could have woken up the citizens were the media. They totally failed us and ultimately I point the finger at them for not stopping this march to war.
The case for war was utter shite. One expects powerful politicians to promote their narrow interests and agenda. It's their nature.
But it is the media's JOB to challenge the powerful... or rather, it WAS their job. Now they are just another powerful, pampered Establishment institution which has little interest in rocking the boat.
renato |
07.09.05 - 1:14 pm | #
The three London Underground explosions occurred within seconds of each other at about 8.50am, the Metropolitan Police said today.
(snip)
Early speculation that suicide bombers were involved appeared to be receding, with evidence that the tube bombs had been placed on the floor by the carriage doors. Anti-terrorist sources said that the main anxiety was that the bombers were still at large and could strike again.
Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner, said four bombs, weighing less than 4.5kg (10lbs) each, were probably carried in backpacks and placed on the floor of the three underground carriages and on the seat or floor of the number 30 bus that was blown apart in Tavistock Square.
(snip)
The leads now being pursued will come from closed circuit television tapes and mobile phone calls made in the area of the bombs. Police are also hoping to receive tip-offs from the public, such as people who have noticed that a lodger is missing or that a lock-up garage is deserted.
Attention has focused on the number 30 bus and the possibility that the bomb there was in transit to another tube train and went off prematurely, killing 13 people.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 1:15 pm | #
>>And, as no one other than pesky bloggers seems to point out, this whole "turn Iraq into a terorrist battlezone" plan is rather at odds with the "turn Iraq into a free and stable Democratic society" idea.
desi |
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07.09.05 - 1:15 pm | #
It's no wonder that every company Bush ever managed cratered. Can you imagine being a business executive and trying to comprehend the contradictions and brainfarts of this clown as your CEO? It's flypaper!!! Uh!!! It's a stable democracy that welcomes us!!!
sekmet |
07.09.05 - 1:20 pm | #
My God, no matter how many times I tell him, he never listens. George, you have to say that it is better-to-fight-the-terrorists-in places-that-begin-with-the-same first-letter-than-places-we-don't-want-to-fight-
them.
Remember? We went over this like 50 times. Here, let me help you again.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
Uncle Smokes |
07.09.05 - 1:21 pm | #
Bush is resolved in his resolution to be resolved and resolute.
You forgot that he's bold.
Thersites |
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07.09.05 - 1:21 pm | #
Bush is resolved to go to bed at 9pm everyday.
He is resovled to spend lots of vacation time in Crawford.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 1:22 pm | #
You know, America has opted out of the Kyoto Accords and even this week spat in everyone's eye concerning destroying the whole planet.
Forget blowing up things, which we are also doing a lot of, the destruction of the planet is somewhat more pressing than the bee stings of al Qaeda or whoever is doing this (we really don't have a clue).
Elaine Supkis |
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07.09.05 - 1:22 pm | #
Draining the swamp has evolved into the bugzapper strategy. Next up on the slippery slope: we're fighting them in New York so we don't have to fight them in Crawford.
NTodd |
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07.09.05 - 1:22 pm | #
Well, the London bombers seem to have avoided any contact with the flypaper altogether. The NYT reports that they were "homegrown" terrorists with no links to Iraq. How can they get caught in the flypaper if they won't go near it?
This just underscores that Bush's war on terror strategy has essentially left the USA swatting at flies.
Dr. PhD |
07.09.05 - 1:23 pm | #
Bush is resolved to go to bed at 9pm everyday.
I used to do that, but since I've become addicted to this forum, I stay up way past my bedtime.
NTodd |
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07.09.05 - 1:24 pm | #
Iraq is a stable democracy and terrorist flypaper. It is also a floor wax. And a dessert topping.
Thersites |
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07.09.05 - 1:24 pm | #
Of course, the problem is that terrorists are much smarter than flies, so the fly paper approach doesn't work all that well.
sandiaman |
07.09.05 - 1:25 pm | #
Iraq is a crème brûlée.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 1:25 pm | #
I am much more worried about out climate going blooie than I am of a terrorist attack.
Just recently, the air was unbreathable for a considerable time thanks to pollution. It is really bad. I happen to like breathing air.
Elaine Supkis |
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07.09.05 - 1:25 pm | #
I would like to see Brian Cherry at therant.us put at the top of the YELLOW ELEPHANT list. He has disgraced Odin and Thor with his chickenhawk bullshit.
Gary |
07.09.05 - 1:26 pm | #
Bush falls off his bike into fly paper all the time.
Elaine Supkis |
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07.09.05 - 1:26 pm | #
My God, no matter how many times I tell him, he never listens. George, you have to say that it is better-to-fight-the-terrorists-in places-that-begin-with-the-same first-letter-than-places-we-don't-want-to-fight- them.
Hey, you follicly-challenged wanker ...
Is it better to fight then in London than in Los Angeles?
Brit |
07.09.05 - 1:26 pm | #
Hey, London is "abroad." Help a nigga out!
President Bush |
07.09.05 - 1:26 pm | #
Thersites, one new keyboard please.
Jack - Fortified with THC |
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07.09.05 - 1:27 pm | #
the destruction of the planet is somewhat more pressing...
I assume that depleted uranium weapons and the increase of radioactivity in Iraq were off the table.
Uncle Smokes |
07.09.05 - 1:27 pm | #
someone here keeps recommending that we turn off our tvs to maintain our sanity.
I turned mine off 2 years ago. I'd be back in the hospital with the bleeding ulcers if I tried to mainline the news today.
I can stand it when I come here, or Kos, and get the outrage along with the news, but straight up?....nuh, uh.
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 1:27 pm | #
Not to be crass, but what would happen if we all woke up one day and realized that, in the grand scheme of things, terrorism in the U.S. is at most a minor annoyance? Seriously, we've had a bad case of overreaction since about four months after 9/11. Declaring a "war on terror" seems a bit like declaring a "war on lightning striking people." If you're Israel, there's more reason to be concerned (and more reason for a bit of introspection as to how you got into the mess in the first place). England has dealt with this stuff for years and, I think, they've come to grips with the idea that terrorism is mostly just stuff happening -- no need to get all epic about it. That's the goal, after all, of the terrorists; to be taken seriously. Frankly, I'm more concerned about losing my job or getting into an auto accident than dying at the hands of Al-Qaeda.
Besides, terrorism is a horrible excuse for starting a war -- that's the excuse the Europeans used to crush colonial rebellions.
Node of Evil |
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07.09.05 - 1:28 pm | #
I happen to like breathing air.
Elaine-That's fine and dandy, you wretched communistic fellow traveler, but there is nothing in the constitution guaranteeing you you air per se. Don't know why we let those interned Japanese have any air anyway.
-Michelle Magalangadingdong.
spinoza |
07.09.05 - 1:28 pm | #
Iraq is a stable democracy and terrorist flypaper. It is also a floor wax. And a dessert topping.
Thersites
Iraq is a stable democracy and terrorist flypaper. It is also a floor wax. And a dessert topping.
Do not taunt Happy Fun Iraq.
NTodd |
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07.09.05 - 1:29 pm | #
I used to do that, but since I've become addicted to this forum, I stay up way past my bedtime.
But you do so with resolve.
Thersites |
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07.09.05 - 1:30 pm | #
Frank Luntz | 07.09.05 - 1:20 pm | #
i heard luntz on the franken show, on a day joe conason was also there, and nobody EVER got such an obsequeious tongue bathing from two putative 'progressives' than did frank...
he had the gall to portary himself, with this smirky, self-deprecatory smarm of the accomplished and frequent liar, as someone who somehow, implicitly reluctantly, did "good work for bad people."
franken and conason panted in such avid agreement that i wanted to throw a bucket of water over all three of them...
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka... |
07.09.05 - 1:31 pm | #
I came, I saw, I conquered. - Caesar
I came, I saw, Iran. -GWB
spinoza |
07.09.05 - 1:31 pm | #
I have noticed that nobody has ever dug up a business memo or report actually written by Bush. Since he can barely speak coherent English, just imagine what a memo done by him looks like?
sekmet |
07.09.05 - 1:32 pm | #
Draining the swamp has evolved into the bugzapper strategy. Next up on the slippery slope: we're fighting them in New York so we don't have to fight them in Crawford.
Well you just answered a question I have been asking ever since I realized the theofascits were trying to take over. What do they plan on doing with places like NY and CA. Now I know. Thanks friend.
QL in NY |
07.09.05 - 1:32 pm | #
Elaine, I understand your point but there WAS a time when the media weren't afraid to take on the powers-that-be.
Pentagon Papers.
Watergate.
Edward R. Murrow.
ABC airing the Army-McCarthy hearings.
60 Minutes in its muckraking days.
Not coincidentally, ever since journamalism became regarded as a 'profession' staffed by white-collar types, and ever since corporations started buying up newspapers and demanding 20% ROI, the media have become hollowed out and only interested in protecting their position and perquisites.
I thought the media were actually doing their job with re: to Vietnam, which is why the right-wing hated them so. I am not sure which happened first: did the media get cowed, or did the right realize the answer to shutting down the truth-telling was to buy up the media and gut them from the inside? Hitler was a street revolutionary at first, then he realized during his prison stint that the answer is revolution from above, from the inside.
Hearst was a kind of a prophet of what was to come 100 years later... "you supply the pictures, and I'll supply the war."
renato |
07.09.05 - 1:32 pm | #
I came, I saw, I conquered. - Caesar
I saw, I conquered, I came. - Gucky
NTodd |
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07.09.05 - 1:32 pm | #
Let's also create flypaper in Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Colombia, Russia and Canada.
Hey, you forgot about Poland...
Spadizzly |
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07.09.05 - 1:33 pm | #
Is it better to fight then in London than in Los Angeles?
Brit - 1:26 pm
lessee, looks like leadership leans that way...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka... |
07.09.05 - 1:34 pm | #
franken and conason panted in such avid agreement that i wanted to throw a bucket of water over all three of them...
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar
lol -- i have a completely different memory of that segment. i took franken and conason's comments as more snark -- 'yo frank, congrats on completely misleading people with your clever and deceitful packaging' instead of outright flattery of his success.
bkny |
07.09.05 - 1:34 pm | #
I used to do that, but since I've become addicted to this forum, I stay up way past my bedtime.
NTodd
So you're sayin you're not resolute and bold anymore?
Sheeesh....wimps on the thread.
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 1:34 pm | #
Once the word "topping" came up (so to speak), I knew a Guckert reference could not be far behind (so to speak).
rorschach |
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07.09.05 - 1:34 pm | #
Think of how many more lives could have been saved considering how life threatening natural events can be.
If the 200 or so billion dollars had gone into research programs at places like NOAA, NACR, USGS, & universities doing simular programs.
Simple things like better building codes and inspections in areas likely to have hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes.
Better seismic & volcano monitoring systems.
Better telemetry and communication systems, to make this info avalible to the public, so that they can be out of harms way when big events happen.
Doug |
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07.09.05 - 1:35 pm | #
I came, I saw, I conquered. - Caesar
I came, I saw, Iran. -GWB
franken and conason panted in such avid agreement that i wanted to throw a bucket of water over all three of them...
the one objection I have to Franken is he suffers from the disease unique to liberals and log cabin goopers... he desperately wants his enemies to like him. Which is why he's friends with Norm Ornstein, Gary Bauer, that nutcase Limbaugh fan, on and on and on.
What shocked me was that Conason was licking Luntz's nutsack too! I mean Conason can be ferocious, why he gave Luntz a pass is something I'll never figure out.
renato |
07.09.05 - 1:36 pm | #
goddamit if these assholes don't stop repeatedly saying "spreading freedom and democracy"
it somehow sounds obscene and stupid.
which considering the source is not so surprising. however it's not working.
charley |
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07.09.05 - 1:37 pm | #
bkny, i didn't hear it that way at all. I thought they gave Luntz a total pass.
renato |
07.09.05 - 1:37 pm | #
I came, I saw, I conquered. - Caesar
I saw, I conquered, I came. - Gucky
I came, I saw, Iran. -GWB
I came. I saw. I got away with it all.
Karl Rove |
07.09.05 - 1:37 pm | #
Simple things like better building codes and inspections in areas likely to have hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes.
Tsunami detection/warning, too. But it's so much more fun to blow shit up.
NTodd |
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07.09.05 - 1:37 pm | #
Steve Earl should go on the Daily Show and sing Big Muddy about now . . .
cs |
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07.09.05 - 1:38 pm | #
I saw, I conquered, I came. - Gucky
Well that got me laughing again, so I forgive you being messenger on what the christianists plan for NY
QL in NY |
07.09.05 - 1:38 pm | #
Is that the skull, the bad ass one as seen on Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious Universe. The one found in the Yucatan?
PeepsChristianist |
07.09.05 - 1:40 pm | #
I'm resolute going to see REM tomorrow.
I'm resolute when I go to Tunisia on the 17th July.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 1:40 pm | #
resolved to follow instructions ,oh master of PNAC, or was that a figment of my imagination :>0
albe a horses ass |
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07.09.05 - 1:41 pm | #
But, we will be resolute! Now watch this drive...
Not THAT was funny.....
wolf-man |
07.09.05 - 1:41 pm | #
If you ever read BILL THE GALACTIC HERO, the captain of his space battleship is an 11-year-old moron. As one of the other officers tells him, after awhile the aristocracy of a huge intersteller empire gets spread a bit thin. One good thing about Bush is that he is living proof that the American upper class has degenerated past the point of no return.
sekmet |
07.09.05 - 1:42 pm | #
"These proposals for mediation have failed because in the meanwhile there, first of all, came as an answer the sudden Polish general mobilisation, followed by more Polish atrocities. These were again repeated last night. Recently in one night there were as many as twenty-one frontier incidents; last night there were fourteen, of which three were quite serious. I have, therefore, resolved to speak to Poland in the same language that Poland for months past has used towards us. This attitude on the part of the Reich will not change."
-- Adolf Hitler, speech to the Reichstag, September 1, 1939
why is that crazy bitch upsidedown?
charley |
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07.09.05 - 1:44 pm | #
Not to be crass, but what would happen if we all woke up one day and realized that, in the grand scheme of things, terrorism in the U.S. is at most a minor annoyance?
For those of us old enough to remember 'red scares' and 'duck and cover', we've seen it before. And one day we'll look back on the 'terrorist scares' with the same incredulity.
This country overreacted -- massively. And, in the case of the gubmint overreaction - criminally.
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 1:44 pm | #
true sekmet the upper class have reached the end of the line.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 1:44 pm | #
I'm resolute when I go to Tunisia on the 17th July.
Moonbootica-1:40 pm
is tunisia thought to be less active, world-wide-insurgency-wise?
Aruba of the Med?
family there?
or?
i was in Lybia once, at the old Wheelus Airfield...mebbe Sept, '65; never got off base...i remember it being flat and sandy...
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka... |
07.09.05 - 1:48 pm | #
Whoooo Hooooo! We got a baby panda in Washington, D.C.! Whoo!
resolute [rézzə loot]
adj
1. having determination: possessing determination and purposefulness
2. characterized by determination: motivated by or displaying determination and purposefulness
[15th century. From Latin resolutus , the past participle of resolvere (see resolve).]
I don't think Bush has any of those features.
He is a craven self indulgent fool.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 1:48 pm | #
Bush was scheduled to visit the FBI training academy at Quantico, Virginia, on Monday to deliver a speech discussing the London attacks, said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.
"I expect he will talk about the strategy for winning the war on terrorism," McClellan said. "He'll talk about (how) in the short term, it's taking the fight to the enemy abroad and in the long term it's spreading freedom and democracy to defeat the extremist ideology of hatred and oppression."
They really do bank on the American public being dumber than door nails, don't they. Or is it that they know the dem leadership is even dumber than the American public?
Dr. PhD |
07.09.05 - 1:49 pm | #
Resolute™ - Isn't that the name of some minty air freshener thingy?
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MisterX |
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07.09.05 - 1:49 pm | #
There's got to be a better word then resolute for this clown.
Common all of you English wonks, come up with the word.
Hecate -- is it a captive-born baby panda?
Virginia |
07.09.05 - 1:50 pm | #
Forget blowing up things, which we are also doing a lot of, the destruction of the planet is somewhat more pressing than the bee stings of al Qaeda or whoever is doing this (we really don't have a clue).
Elaine Supkis
Yup, the G8 gave the US a pass again. Farkin sheep
Diane |
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07.09.05 - 1:51 pm | #
Whoooo Hooooo! We got a baby panda in Washington, D.C.! Whoo!
~Does happy baby panda dance~
Hecate
How's this one's health? Seems to me none of the earlier ones ever made it past a week or two.
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 1:51 pm | #
Tunisia is a republic with a strong presidential system dominated by a single political party.
President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali has been in office since 1987 when he deposed Habib Bourguiba, who had been President since Tunisia's independence from France in 1956.
(snip)
Tunisia has a diverse economy, with important agricultural, mining, energy, tourism, and manufacturing sectors
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 1:52 pm | #
someone here keeps recommending that we turn off our tvs to maintain our sanity.
can't say I've turned it off entirely - there's always Robot Chicken and the new season of Rescue Me, but the only news show I watch these days is Olbermann's. And I have yet to see a single performance by Commander Cuckoo Bananas, all in the service of maintaining ongoing equanimity.
JeffCO |
07.09.05 - 1:52 pm | #
Doug -- pig-headed? Inflexible? Stubborn? Craven narcissistic hypocritical fuckwit AAAAAHHHH I CAN'T STAND THE PAIN ANY MORE!!!!!
Virginia |
07.09.05 - 1:53 pm | #
[15th century. From Latin resolutus , the past participle of resolvere (see resolve).]
Just to follow through:
From Latin resoltus, relaxed, past participle of resolvere, to relax, untie
There you have it: Crawford Ranch vacations = Resolute
Uncle Smokes |
07.09.05 - 1:54 pm | #
"He'll talk about (how) in the short term, it's taking the fight to the enemy abroad
Do they have the smallest awareness of how fucking offensive that sounds to the British (not to mention the Iraqi's) right now?
Any awareness?? -- or are they really that oblivious?
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 1:54 pm | #
I just bottle-fed my new little kitten. There is nothing more calming!
I just read a book about the decline of the Venetian empire. The aristocracy just lost interest in governing and frittered away their time in gambling and partying. Meanwhile, military strength declined, politcal corruption spread, economic power faded, and the empire rotted away. And because Venice was ruled by aristocrats, no energetic, talented people could come up from the middle class to stop the rot. And so Venice fell to Napoleon without a shot being fired.
sekmet |
07.09.05 - 1:55 pm | #
Virginia:
Pig-headed is good, but I'd go with spoiled brat myself. Gives a fuller picture of his mental age.
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 1:56 pm | #
I came, I saw, I conquered. - Caesar
I blame, I saw, I hunkered - GWB
DWD |
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07.09.05 - 1:56 pm | #
Bush is a Idle Lazy Fucktard.
Is a "fucktard" a special leotard with an super-sized codpiece?
Uncle Smokes |
07.09.05 - 1:57 pm | #
let's count the number of times Atrios uses the word "rather" in his posts.
ed |
07.09.05 - 1:58 pm | #
The Venetians backed the horrible 4th Crusade which sacked the pround ancient city of Constantinople.
They sacked and looted the place and then installed a venal Latin Empire.
Well that finished the Byzantine Empire off for good.
Hmmm--time to open up a can of resolution on those terrorists!
lolly |
07.09.05 - 2:03 pm | #
Do they have the smallest awareness of how fucking offensive that sounds to the British (not to mention the Iraqi's) right now?
Sure they do. I bet they laugh about it. And there can be little doubt that they believe average merikans will see it as good news and proof of bush's resolute leadership that London is the battlefield rather than LA.
That's using proof of the failure of the flypaper theory as proof of its success. They have a highly developed propaganda strategy that can turn any failure into success.
Dr. PhD |
07.09.05 - 2:04 pm | #
the 4th Crusade contributed to the fast decline of the Byzantine Empire and its eventual conquest by the Ottomans.
The silly Xtians had shot themseles in the foot by sacking Constantinople from which the Byzantines did not fully recover which in the end made them an easy target for Mehmed II.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 2:04 pm | #
TheOtherWashington ~ me and my mum are going to see them at the Cardiff Millienum Stadium.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 2:05 pm | #
Doug, your gravatar changed color? It used to be just like Hank but she's chocolate.
On the topic: Atrios nails it down nicely here. The Bush administration speaks like Lewis Carrol's creatures in Through the Looking Glass, and we are Alice.
Reminds me of this piece of news: First one sheep jumped to its death. Then stunned Turkish shepherds, who had left the herd to graze while they had breakfast, watched as nearly 1,500 others followed, each leaping off the same cliff, Turkish media reported.
Echidne of the snakes |
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07.09.05 - 2:05 pm | #
Geo terror headline!
yellowstone caldara eruption imminent
survival of Civilization threatened
(well imminent anytime between now & 500000 years)
Doug |
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07.09.05 - 2:05 pm | #
The Byzantine Empire was arguably the only stable state in Europe during the Middle Ages. In fact, the Middle Ages are traditionally defined by the same years as the Byzantine Empire is: 395-1453. Byzantium's able military and diplomatic power ensured inadvertently that Western Europe remained safe from many of the more devestating invasions from eastern peoples, such as Turks and Arabs. This ensured that Europe was eventually able to recover from the dark ages revitalized and powerful, eventually destroying their Byzantine protectors in the form of the 4th crusade.
translation: Better Iraq than Europe. Better London than the US. Better a blue state than a red. Better you than me.
Compassionate Conservative |
07.09.05 - 2:07 pm | #
And so Venice fell to Napoleon without a shot being fired.
sekmet - 1:55 pm
well, yeah, but it had stood for years, by that time (circa 1800 CE)...The rise dates from 1204, and the sack of Constantinople...it retained prominence for about 200 years, til the Ottoman Empire colonized the european side of the Bosporous; though it retained putative 'independence', in the mid 15th century. The republic declined for another 250 years, until Napoleon brought it down...
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka... |
07.09.05 - 2:07 pm | #
Thanks, moonbotica, for the Fourth Crusade link. The following seems oddly familiar:
"Eventually, the crusaders were victorious, and the citizens of the city, strangely, at least to western eyes, welcomed them into the city as usurpers, not as conquerors. The crusaders did not see it this way, and they inflicted a horrible and savage sacking on Constantinople for three days, during which many ancient works of art were stolen or destroyed."
Uncle Smokes |
07.09.05 - 2:07 pm | #
I just read a book about the decline of the Venetian empire.
And they couldn't see it coming. They had twisted shut the slats in their worldview so no light could shine through. And that's how you make a Venetian blind.
Thersites |
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07.09.05 - 2:08 pm | #
I would like to see Brian Cherry at therant.us put at the top of the YELLOW ELEPHANT list. He has disgraced Odin and Thor with his chickenhawk bullshit.
Gary | Email | 07.09.05 - 1:26 pm
we'll send someone right away.
The Swedish Hit Team ™ |
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07.09.05 - 2:08 pm | #
GWB=Mentula Maximus
SHG, Affûteuse de couteau |
07.09.05 - 2:08 pm | #
" Doug, your gravatar changed color? It used to be just like Hank but she's chocolate."
It's the other dog, the laughing one you saw is a "small" chocolate female lab, who weighs about 75 lbs.
The one you now see is an indeterminate breed, who has coloring like a dobi, but I think is a black and tan/dane mix. He weighs in at about 130 lbs.
Doug |
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07.09.05 - 2:09 pm | #
We'll fight the terrorists in England, so we don't have to fight them in New England.
We'll fight the terrorists in York, so we don't have to fight them in New York.
Western Europe remained safe from many of the more devestating invasions from eastern peoples, such as Turks and Arabs.
Damn those "eastern peoples"!!
During the Middle Ages, Europe was to the Middle East as northern Louisiana is to New Orleans.
rorschach |
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07.09.05 - 2:09 pm | #
Moonbootica, well never mind then.
Tow, aka Emily Litella
TheOtherWashington |
07.09.05 - 2:10 pm | #
Fuck you Londoners. You're just sacrificial lambs in w's war on terror. Not worth anymore than those swarthy Iraqis after all. Ha ha, jokes on you.
esther |
07.09.05 - 2:10 pm | #
We'll fight the terrorists in England, so we don't have to fight them in New England.
We'll fight the terrorists in York, so we don't have to fight them in New York.
Sounds to me as though the threat of terrorism means we might need a new haven.
John Julius Norwich books A History of Venice is an excellent read.
As is his A Short History of the Byzantine Empire (an abridge book of his original 3 volumes ~ Byzantium: The Early Centuries, Byzantium: The Apogee and Byzantium: The Decline and Fall)
Someone on NPR this morning was talking about Baader-Meinhoff in Germany in the 60's, and I suddenly flashed back to the the several times we were evacuated from our elementary school in Hanau. It's rather funny, but the first time I heard "bomb theat" I thought they said "bomb thread" and tried to imagine some deadly black cable that explodes. Basically, nobody told us kids we were targets as the children of the US military. They'd just say, "bomb threat" and we'd be marched out across the street...
jules |
07.09.05 - 2:12 pm | #
I came, I saw, I conquered. - Caesar
I saw, I conquered, I came. - Gucky
I came, I saw, Iran. -GWB
I came. I saw. I got away with it all.
Karl Rove | 07.09.05 - 1:37 pm
i fought the law and I won.
- jello biafra
The Swedish Hit Team ™ |
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07.09.05 - 2:12 pm | #
Well that finished the Byzantine Empire off for good.
I want a bumper sticker that says "End the Eighth Crusade"
SHG, Affûteuse de couteau |
07.09.05 - 2:12 pm | #
By the way, Ultimate Cuteness kitten blogging
You put a kitten in a brandy snifter?
I guess that mama let you know what she thought of that idea.
Very, very cute kittens.
pie |
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07.09.05 - 2:13 pm | #
let's count the number of times Atrios uses the word "rather" in his posts
I've notice when w says the word "rather" his New England "a" is quite discernable. A bit disconcerting to hear that "a" admidst all his phony Texas drawl.
QL in NY |
07.09.05 - 2:13 pm | #
Someone give esther his meds.
pie |
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07.09.05 - 2:14 pm | #
is that the long-lost Spirit Lake in your gravatar?
WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka... |
07.09.05 - 2:14 pm | #
Well, we do have to protect, Dollyland, and and the new Christian theme park in Fl, "the holyland experience", from all of those brown people.
Doug |
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07.09.05 - 2:14 pm | #
My brother, his ladyfriend and Seity payed us a visit this weekend.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 2:14 pm | #
just got home from the gym, and needed to ask this question:
Is Frederika Whitfield on CNN a trannie? And does she have hairplugs?
See, this is why I don't watch TV news.
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 2:15 pm | #
Doug, yes, they now breed Labs smaller than they used to. Hank is only 62 lbs but all muscle. As my back knows after this morning's walk when we met a toad.
This current gravatar dog of yours has the face of a Lab to me, too.
Echidne of the snakes |
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07.09.05 - 2:15 pm | #
Gravatar Whoooo Hooooo! We got a baby panda in Washington, D.C.! Whoo!
Is is a bold and resolute baby panda?
NTodd |
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07.09.05 - 2:16 pm | #
My kittens are resolute when roast chicken is around.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 2:17 pm | #
believe average merikans will see it as good news and proof of bush's resolute leadership that London is the battlefield rather than LA.
And he'll look even more resolute to those same 'merkins when even the poodle decides enough is enough and pulls out the British troops.
We'll be all resolute in Iraq all by our lonesomes.
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 2:17 pm | #
hmmm. i ain't seein' nobody's gravatars right now.
and i'm on safari. well, not literally...
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 2:17 pm | #
Gravatar Whoooo Hooooo! We got a baby panda in Washington, D.C.! Whoo!
Keep it away from georgie.
pie |
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07.09.05 - 2:17 pm | #
pie ~ thanks though she does have bit of a temper. She loves motion and being sung and talked too. I don't think she likes being still.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 2:18 pm | #
Harry Reid or Howard Dean needs to come out with a statement to the effect that w is not speaking for Americans and that we stand in solidarity with London and England.
esther |
07.09.05 - 2:18 pm | #
Is Frederika Whitfield on CNN a trannie? And does she have hairplugs?
A man arrested when police showed up to break up a New Year's Eve party at a friend's house has filed a lawsuit, arguing he had a constitutional right to get drunk on private property as long as he didn't cause a public disturbance.
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"One thing people should be able to do is drink in their own house," Laverriere told The Boston Globe. "That's the beauty of the land of the free."
rorschach |
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07.09.05 - 2:18 pm | #
not at all - remember, I live in the heart of trannie-ville. just that i was a little startled when I looked up from the elliptical machine and saw this shemale looking down at me.
(she really ought to do something about the moustache, tho. just saying.)
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 2:20 pm | #
Don't you get it? England is part of the fly paper. It's all part of Bush's ingenious plan to sacrifice Britons so we don't have to sacrifice Americans. Well, except for a few thousand in Iraq...
The Fool |
07.09.05 - 2:20 pm | #
WGG, no it's the Columbia River and Gorge, the border between Oregon and Washington in the western part of the states. According the US Forest Service web site I swiped it from anyway.
Spirit Lake's a good idea, though. I'll look for one that might work as a gravatar.
TheOtherWashington |
07.09.05 - 2:20 pm | #
hmmm. i ain't seein' nobody's gravatars right now.
You should come walk my dog Patou sometime. He's a Pyr, 150 # more or less, and he likes to walk himself by putting the knot to his rope in his mouth...we use a bull rope for him as nothing else will hold him. Pulls like a train, and Goddess forbid a dump truck should go past or you are in for the ride of your life. He has a flock of 6 cats that he tends daily and is a very sweet fellow.
SHG, Affûteuse de couteau |
07.09.05 - 2:21 pm | #
"This current gravatar dog of yours has the face of a Lab to me, too."
Could be, that's totally unknown to me, he came from the Berkeley animal shelter. Funny thing is that they did not want to put him up for adaption, because, he was "too dangerous" which he is not.
He's always been very gentle with people with the exception of occasionaly stepping on bare toes. OUCH!
Smart dog though, understands trade.
He will bring a valued object to trade for a bit of a chop or steak.
Doug |
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07.09.05 - 2:21 pm | #
btw, Oliver Stone does 9/11:
"It's a work of collective passion, a serious meditation on what happened and carries within a compassion that heals," Stone said in a statement Friday. "It's an exploration of heroism in our country — but it's international at the same time in its humanity."
I wish to god i knew what that statement actually SAID.
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 2:21 pm | #
pie: Yeah, there seems to be a bit of trouble with the downloading. Now you see it. Now you don't.
I know! Just as I was deciding to post one, looks like the site took a dump.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.09.05 - 2:22 pm | #
when I looked up from the elliptical machine and saw this shemale looking down at me.
Well, who among us hasn't looked up from the elliptical machine and seen a shemale look down at us?
rorschach |
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07.09.05 - 2:22 pm | #
I wish to god i knew what that statement actually SAID.
Here, let me translate:
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, and blah.
And my ego is as big as all of New York.
pie |
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07.09.05 - 2:23 pm | #
KK:
You have three of the most adorable kitties on the planet.
And I love the Royal Kitty VSOP (even if mom didn't)
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 2:24 pm | #
We shouldn't limit ourselves to fighting terra in Iraq and Britain. Let's also create flypaper in Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Colombia, Russia and Canada.
NTodd
This reminds me of a W.C. Fields short called "The Dentist." He gets a shoefly pie stuck on his shoe while playing golf. Brilliant prop work.
bill |
07.09.05 - 2:24 pm | #
I blame archpoet.
NTodd
You give that critter too much credit.
rorschach |
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07.09.05 - 2:24 pm | #
A sampling of a href="http://dissent.blogspot.com/
#112093207298907736">dissentful emails that have been sent to CNN regarding the London attacks...
They're fun. Waiting for my latest to be approved.
pie |
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07.09.05 - 2:25 pm | #
Smart dog though, understands trade.
He will bring a valued object to trade for a bit of a chop or steak.
Heh. Hank brings her squeaktoys, one at a time, (George Bush, Arnold Schwartzenegger and the favorite: a frog) when she wants to go out and drops them at my feet.
SHG, I'd be dead with a dog that size. Hank is enough to pull me as she wishes. It's funny, because Henrietta heels perfectly, but when I lose control she heels to Hank and not me.
Echidne of the snakes |
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07.09.05 - 2:25 pm | #
The model is NOT me.
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 2:27 pm | #
My new little cutest-kitten-in-the-world just crapped all over the sofa! Good times!
rorschach |
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07.09.05 - 2:27 pm | #
The Other Washington. Love your Gravatar, we used to have a house in Mosier. Remember several years (9) ago when that survivalist's ammo hoard blew up? Our house was next door. Little bits of explosives all over our property..ATF was there for a week cleaning up.
SHG, Affûteuse de couteau |
07.09.05 - 2:28 pm | #
They're fun. Waiting for my latest to be approved.
Hey, I'm jiggy -- I just don't have the bandwidth to waste, given my marginal WiFi setup... but, I took care of that on my end. Besides, I don't really need to see them, since 30% of the discussions are now about the freakin' Gravatars!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.09.05 - 2:28 pm | #
Echidne, I don't walk this dog...he likes to take my son for walks tho. He's 5'11/160. They seem to have an understanding about appropriate behaviour.
Is Heloscan on the fritz? I can see gravatars, but every time I move the cursor out of the text box the sandtimer keeps running forever.
SHG, Affûteuse de couteau |
07.09.05 - 2:32 pm | #
rorschach: My new little cutest-kitten-in-the-world just crapped all over the sofa! Good times!
Next time, hold it over the litter box afore ya squeeze it.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.09.05 - 2:32 pm | #
And I hear you are good at that.
heh. comes in handy from time to time.
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 2:32 pm | #
SHG, nope I haven't lived here quite that long. But I can imagine the fun of having the feds trampling everywhere for a week, heh.
TheOtherWashington |
07.09.05 - 2:32 pm | #
I blame archpoet
Careful! He's still on vacation, and may start demanding apologies again.
Worse yet, he might post some of his poetry.
Uncle Smokes |
07.09.05 - 2:34 pm | #
Yeah, www.gravatar.com seems to have gone tits up. Bummer.
TheOtherWashington |
07.09.05 - 2:34 pm | #
Speaking of vibrators, however...
some of those look more like power sanders!
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 2:34 pm | #
I wish to god i knew what that statement actually SAID.
watertiger
Nobody's talking about me anymore and I'm desperate for attention so I'll make another indecipherable movie.
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 2:34 pm | #
this archpoet sounds like a bit of a wanker.
Moonbootica |
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07.09.05 - 2:34 pm | #
Next time, hold it over the litter box afore ya squeeze it.
Now that made me literally laugh out loud.
I did put his head in it, and then put him in the box and scratched his paw. I've had to teach kittens before, but I really prefer it when other, older cats do that. Mine, though, are doing nothing but hissing and growling at the little nipper.
rorschach |
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07.09.05 - 2:35 pm | #
watertiger: some of those look more like power sanders!
Does the slideshow end with the latest advancement, heralded by Texan women everywhere: that B.O.B. razor, the distaff version of the Mach3?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.09.05 - 2:36 pm | #
flory,
sounds about right. and this one's gonna star nic cage...
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 2:36 pm | #
Careful! He's still on vacation, and may start demanding apologies again.
Yeah, I've got his apology right here...
NTodd |
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07.09.05 - 2:36 pm | #
my flypaper's got a hole in it
pip |
07.09.05 - 2:37 pm | #
I hear that Yellow Elephants often leave their flypaper open, so's to give the ladies a glance at the Minuteman in its silo.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.09.05 - 2:39 pm | #
what beautiful spot it was...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka... |
07.09.05 - 2:39 pm | #
"We will stay on the offense, fighting the terrorists abroad so we do not have to face them at home."
Cowardly Racism! Pure and Simple. All this says is that we Americans will sacrifice the innocent lives of Iraqis to prevent a threat to American lives. This is using Iraqi citizens as Human Sacrifices on the Alter of American Fear.
Yes American Moms and Dads, I'm talking to you. Are only your children precious, does God not love the children in Iraq?
We are like the big, burly boy confronted by bullies, who grabs a smaller child and says-'here take him instead!'
We Americans have, as a people, asked much of our soldiers and National Guard, we have asked much of the Iraq people, but what have we asked of ourselves? Where are the charity crusades for aid to the Iraqi people? And why have we Americans not started to change our lifestyle to become energy self-sufficient? Maybe Iraq War supporters can not all sign up as soldiers, but they can throw the keys to their SUV's away?
Selfish! Selfish! Selfish! The heart and core of the flypaper argument is both morally invalid and selfish! We are attracting terrorists to another nation, where terrorists had not been, on the chance that by killing Iraqi children, the terrorists might not kill ours. And do we believe in using our brave young soldiers in Iraq as terrorist bait?
Any politician or political spokesperson who uses this argument is a Despicable Coward! Nothing less. And for all God Believing Americans, if you support this position-then be prepared when the time comes to face God, that you will also have to face the faces of the innocent dead of Iraq who died by the hands of terrorists, so that you might feel a modicum more safe.
middleoftheroadnot |
07.09.05 - 2:39 pm | #
Resolute. Is that Chimpy's new word?
Sallyh |
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07.09.05 - 2:40 pm | #
Gravatar is out. And it is taking sooooo long to load comments, and while loading cannot link to linkys so kindly provided. And some them sound quite interesting.
BTW WT - did you notice an increased presence of law enforcement types in the subway yesterday? I saw fewer in Penn Station than usual.
QL in NY |
07.09.05 - 2:40 pm | #
Next time, hold it over the litter box afore ya squeeze it.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I hope you get that new job soon -- you owe me a keyboard.
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 2:40 pm | #
Hamilton Beach made vibrators.
Yeah. What I thot was especially funny was that more homes had vibrators than toasters early on...
NTodd |
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07.09.05 - 2:41 pm | #
Flory--i'll give you attention
Sallyh |
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07.09.05 - 2:41 pm | #
The model is NOT me.
watertiger
Obviously.
She's still got *her* bra on.
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 2:41 pm | #
What I thot was especially funny was that more homes had vibrators than toasters early on...
Yeah, that was definitely the next startling revelation.
Man, the things one learns here...
pie |
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07.09.05 - 2:42 pm | #
WT - did you notice an increased presence of law enforcement types in the subway yesterday? I saw fewer in Penn Station than usual.
same as always. Union Square, Canal Street station...nothing particularly unusual.
sallyh, he's been using "resolute" since 9/11.
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 2:42 pm | #
flory: I hope you get that new job soon -- you owe me a keyboard.
All part of the service, ma'am.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.09.05 - 2:42 pm | #
She's still got *her* bra on.
Hey now! It's all about context!
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 2:43 pm | #
my flypaper's got a hole in it
There's a hole in my flypaper,
dear Tony, dear Tony
There's a hole in my flypaper,
dear Tony, my dear
Well fix it
dear Georgie, dear Georgie
Well fix it
dear Georgie, my dear
I'll be resolute and bold and...
Oh, Shut your gob
dear Georgie, dear Georgie
Just shut it now
dear Georgie, my dear
Uncle Smokes |
07.09.05 - 2:44 pm | #
"what beautiful spot it was..."
I notice that the last picture has some smoke floating from the crater.
Doug |
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07.09.05 - 2:45 pm | #
WGG, those are gorgeous! Thanks.
I went there last year, but it was a cloudy day, so my pics were nothing special. It was still gorgeous, though.
It's really amazing how many plants and animals have returned. Mother Nature's a tough cookie.
TheOtherWashington |
07.09.05 - 2:45 pm | #
"Hey now! It's all about context!"
Well show us some (ducks)
Doug |
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07.09.05 - 2:45 pm | #
sallyh, he's been using "resolute" since 9/11.
watertiger
Yeah, but he's just mispronouncing Falwell's latest book detailing the pernicious influence of gay women on American society: "Lez: A Root."
rorschach |
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07.09.05 - 2:46 pm | #
was any one watching cnn this am when they showed the press conference in London. The Ticket Tape at the bottom of the screen stated that some goverment report details a reduction in terror attacks over the last 6 months. this was about before 7am central time. Had to leave so could not wait around to see exactly what, who and where the ticker was referencing.
jerri |
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07.09.05 - 2:46 pm | #
I notice that the last picture has some smoke floating from the crater.
Doug - 2:45 pm
it's still semi-active; the mountain gives a twitch every once in a while...they were shivers last winter, iirc...
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar (aka... |
07.09.05 - 2:48 pm | #
sallyh - how are things going today?
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 2:49 pm | #
Bzzzzz. Bzz. Bzzz.
I'm the "Flypaper Preznit," people.
Fight 'em over there, so we don't have to fight 'em in New York, or London.
See?
Working out great, huh?
Bzzzz. Bzzz.
George W. Bush |
07.09.05 - 2:50 pm | #
Photo updates every few minutes. On a clear day it's the coolest thing to see, especially if she's releasing a little steam and ash. Which she's been doing regularly since last October.
TheOtherWashington |
07.09.05 - 2:50 pm | #
Ever noticed that some of the most naturally dangerous places in the world to live, with hazards like volcanos,earthquakes, forest fires etc. are also some of the most desirable places to live?
Doug |
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07.09.05 - 2:50 pm | #
Doug: Ever noticed that some of the most naturally dangerous places in the world to live, with hazards like volcanos,earthquakes, forest fires etc. are also some of the most desirable places to live?
That's why I love GnashVegas, where idiot drivers are the most dangerous, naturally-occurring phenomenon.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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07.09.05 - 2:52 pm | #
Had to leave so could not wait around to see exactly what, who and where the ticker was referencing.
jerr
If memory serves - the State Dept was forced to stop producing their annual terror report because it showed an increase in terror worldwide since Chimpy's Excellent Iraqi Adventure. This allowed the neo-cons in the admin to produce their own report, using standard suspicious Bushco measurement methodologies - showing terror decreasing.
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 2:53 pm | #
" We'll fight the terrorists in England, so we don't have to fight them in New England."
...and Iraq, and Iran, and North Korea, and the Phillipines, and Indonesia, and Venezuela, and Spain, and Afghanistan, and we'll go all the way to Pakistan!!! Yeeeaaaarrrrrggghhh!
Bush just wishes he was as cool as Dean.
washed |
07.09.05 - 2:55 pm | #
Here's a practical and rational argument that addresses the failure of Bush's war on terror and the need for a new plan.
It concludes:
At its inception post-9/11, the war on terror was shaped by the fact that it was American blood that had been shed. This gave President Bush the moral authority to tell the world "you're either with us or against us". Having stood with America, and paid a terrible price for doing so, it is now time to turn that demand back on Bush. We have a vital national interest in defeating terrorism and we must have a greater say in how that is done. The current approach is failing and it's time for a change. If Tony Blair cannot bring himself to say this, he owes it to his country to make way for someone who can.
pie |
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07.09.05 - 2:55 pm | #
It was an offensive thing to say before, too. Why more so now?
Manson's Cellmate |
07.09.05 - 2:59 pm | #
'Having stood with America, and paid a terrible price for doing so, it is now time to turn that demand back on Bush. We have a vital national interest in defeating terrorism and we must have a greater say in how that is done. The current approach is failing and it's time for a change. If Tony Blair cannot bring himself to say this, he owes it to his country to make way for someone who can.'
Good point -- I wonder how we'd feel if it was India or Spain or someone else trying to lead a global "war on terror." We're not the only ones who can play this game.
Node of Evil |
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07.09.05 - 2:59 pm | #
It seems Gravatar is fucked...
Buzz Bomb |
07.09.05 - 3:00 pm | #
pie,
a sponsor? what, the name of the law firm that repped her?
and we're supposed to feel badly that she blew through her settlement? that taxes anf her lawyers took the bulk of it?
and we're supposed to feel badly that she blew through her settlement? that taxes anf her lawyers took the bulk of it?
I wonder if she's even employable these days?
flory, Contributing Editor |
07.09.05 - 3:07 pm | #
"We will stay on the offense, fighting the terrorists abroad so we do not have to face them at home," Bush said.
The dingbat has no idea how lucky he is he didn't say that while still "abroad". Might have been too much even for Blair. Absolutely dumbfounding. After all this time, I still can't decide; sociopath or ijit? Has no clue, and/or doesn't want one. Great Jeebus Kripes, we could have elected a Preeznit with 2 brain cells to rub together in '04, and I have a feeling the World will not soon let us forget it.
On a more humorous note; One of my Winger friends noted Bush looked like a puppet with his strings cut in one of the scenes from the G8, right after the bombs went off. Anybody see that?
Doozer |
07.09.05 - 3:07 pm | #
a sponsor? what, the name of the law firm that repped her?
I'm sure the name will be large enough for all to see emblazoned on her ample bosom.
pie |
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07.09.05 - 3:09 pm | #
that taxes anf her lawyers took the bulk of it?
how friggin much does it cost to live in arkansas anyway.
I wonder if she's even employable these days?
was she ever.
sorry, but she really deserves every ounce of scorn directed her way.
bkny |
07.09.05 - 3:11 pm | #
Hey ror!
What I do with a new kitten is just keep them in a small space with their own litter until they use it just once. That's all it takes. Keep going back into the space and placing the kitty in the litter box. It usually takes only an hour or two and then they always use the box from that point on.
Works every time.
And hey, big congrats on the new kitten. I'm getting a 2 year old, very small (only 7 pounds) formerly abandoned cat on Monday. Some woman is driving 2 hours to deliver her. Exciting!
Jenny from the ßlog • |
07.09.05 - 3:14 pm | #
And, rorschach, any new kitty photos?!
Jenny from the ßlog • |
07.09.05 - 3:15 pm | #
I'm sure the name will be large enough for all to see emblazoned on her ample bosom.
maybe she shouldn't have spent all that cash on the nose job and breast augmentation.
watertiger |
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07.09.05 - 3:23 pm | #
And, rorschach, any new kitty photos?!
Jenny from the ßlog
Not yet, but soon...
rorschach |
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07.09.05 - 3:27 pm | #
And this didn't occur to me until just now, but
Flypaper talk is nothing new but it's a rather offensive thing to say about now:
Is a really obnoxious thing to say. Oh, now that white folks are being killed, it's offensive that "flypaper" has been the metaphor? Till now, it's just been brown people, so you know, okay.
rorschach |
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07.09.05 - 3:32 pm | #
"We have to fight them in London, so we don't have to fight them in Basra," said Al Zarqawi.
"The attacks in London show clearly that the Iraq war has broken Al Quaida's back," responded President Cheney.
EB |
07.09.05 - 3:44 pm | #
we will fight in...aruba
so that we will not have to fight them in st luis and cincinatti.
chris from boca |
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07.09.05 - 3:51 pm | #
Let alone the mendacity to declare:
"Terrorists will seek out and attack a Standing Army to do battle"
owlbear |
07.09.05 - 4:00 pm | #
pie -- That Paula Jones press release is definitely a red flag. Wonder what her t-shirt will say.
cs |
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07.09.05 - 4:28 pm | #
This statement is going to play great on Al Jazeera.
The Stoned Ranger does a much better job recruiting for Al Qaeda than he
does for the US Army.
R. McGeddon |
07.09.05 - 4:40 pm | #
this whole "turn Iraq into a terorrist battlezone" plan is rather at odds with the "turn Iraq into a free and stable Democratic society" idea
I suppose it'd be too much to ask of the White House press corps to put that in the form of a question to Scott McClellan. Of course, the answer would be something along the lines of "no, it's not. Next question?"
Paul |
07.09.05 - 4:42 pm | #
on a related note, blair is calling on the world to address the causes of terrorism, includng poverty and helping people understand each other. now rewind a couple weeks to when rove castigated liberals for wanting "therapy and understanding" for the 9/11 attackers. irony being that bush's biggest ally in the war still thinks that maybe, just maybe, caring for the poor and encouraging cultural understanding might actually still have a place in the post-9/11 world.
kate |
07.09.05 - 5:47 pm | #
Right now (5:47 PM EDT) a great chunk of the city center of Birmingham (UK) has been evacuated by the police. There are "controlled explosions" being carried out by the police. Apparently maybe 20 thouand or more people have been evacuated.
It may be a false alarm, but it seems right now as if the police have found some of the terrorists' explosives, if not the terrorists themselves. It also may be that these terrorists were planning some more explosions in Birmingham, the 2nd city of the UK.
If you want to know more, use Real Player to listen to BBC Radio Five Live.
A peaceful evening to all.
Longview |
07.09.05 - 5:57 pm | #
Damn good point and offers evidence that the Bushies and neocons don't really give a shit about Iraq being a democratic nation. As one Iraqi commented after Bush's last Ft. Bragg speech: "Let the Americans find some other country to fight terrorists in." (that's a paraphrase)
rlgilson@fuse.net |
07.09.05 - 8:42 pm | #
Flypaper, throw any accusation at Bush and wait to see what sticks. Its called the Atrios flypaper.
Flypaper, throw any accusation at Bush and wait to see what sticks. Its called the Atrios flypaper.
Or to look at it another way, the Bush admin keeps demonstrating that special combination of incompetence and cynical political opportunism, and wait to see what it takes to get the public to go "Holy shit, we've been played."
Paul |
07.09.05 - 9:04 pm | #
"We will stay on the offense, fighting the terrorists abroad so we do not have to face them at home."
Hello?
Weren't they HERE already....on 9/11/01?
Terry C |
07.09.05 - 11:10 pm | #
I say we put flypaper over Bush & Company's mouths!
Terry C |
07.09.05 - 11:12 pm | #
Flypaper, baby. FLYPAPER!
Cog |
Once the wingnuts get hold of something that sounds good to them, they beat it to death.
Just like Preznit Jerkoff....liberty, freedom, September 11, nuke-u-lar.....
Terry C |
07.09.05 - 11:13 pm | #
Bush and his supporters are resolutely stupid.
Terry C |
07.09.05 - 11:19 pm | #
pie -- That Paula Jones press release is definitely a red flag. Wonder what her t-shirt will say.
cs |
I would love to have the money that she and that other cow, Linda Tripp, spent on plastic surgery.
It didn't work for either of them.
I loved when she posted for (I think) Penthouse and Howard Stern was talking about how she was so fucking nasty.
Bitch was delusional because Bill Clinton would not look twice at a skanky ugly piece of white trash like her.
Geezus, you ever hear her speak? That voice would probably be enough to deflate an erection!
Terry C |
07.09.05 - 11:21 pm | #
I would love to have Barbara Bush reading these comments because it makes her so angry when the sheeple talk bad about her little darl'n, Baby Bush.
I'd love to mess with her "beautiful mind."
k ols |
07.10.05 - 12:44 am | #
Somebody should advise these flypaper theorists that London is about halfway between Baghdad and New York.
Seems to me the 'flypaper' trick isn't working too well.
BTW, how's the security on our public transit systems, nuclear power plants, chemical refineries, and such?
Do you think there might be a serious audit of the Homeland Security budget?
Jon Koppenhoefer |
07.10.05 - 1:04 am | #
The flypaper thing just smacks of manifest destiny. Damn, and I thought the whole "liberators" meme was arrogant and self serving.
David |
07.10.05 - 8:44 pm | #
Saddam and Osama never worked together - I know because Clinton's national security advisor told me so.
papertiger |
07.10.05 - 10:35 pm | #