I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

Worse than an immoral war? Nah.


GravatarOf course, the Bush administration keeps similar doings in complete secrecy, just out of their general policy of controlling every shred of information regarding the White House.

It could even be worse, right now, but we'd never know.


Gravatarif we're travelling back down memory lane, remember this?


GravatarI see Raw Story has a piece on Paula Jone visiting the Clinton Library.

Anyone know if Paula is still the plastic surgery darling for the American Spectator glitterati?

Now that's what I call welfare to work.


Gravatartalking bout memory lane and all that jazz some events that happened Today

455 - Roman military commander Avitus is proclaimed emperor of the western Roman Empire.

1357 5:31 AM - Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor assisted laying the foundation stone of Charles Bridge in Prague

1540 - Henry VIII of England annulled his marriage to his fourth wife, Anne of Cleves.

1816 - Argentina declares independence from Spain


Gravatar1992 - Democratic presidential nominee Bill Clinton announces that Tennessee Senator Al Gore will be his running mate.


GravatarFalco ought to right a song


GravatarExcuse me, amigos...
was there not an attack on an embassy of jours at about thees same time?
Why deed thees story consume so much attention?

The theory een España was that the journalistas, they had all been given drugs.
some weethout their knowledge, even.

so.


GravatarSo, the "Travelgate" thing was yet another D.C. embezzelment scheme, this one catering to the press which dutifully ignored it, until those meddling kids came along andf spoileed it.

Could this be the kind of thing that's keeping the gaggle complacent these days?


Gravatarrock me am a clenis


GravatarDuring an appeal of that decision, Clinton agreed to an $850,000 settlement with Jones that included no apology or admission of guilt.

"I got $151,000," Jones told the New York Daily News. "That's gone. I was going through a divorce. I had to get a home for my two boys, I never made bunches of money."


Gosh, I thought she remarried during all of that. You mean she divorced again?

What about the Mercedes? Wasn't that a gift of that blonde wingnut sponsor of hers?

Which reminds me, how is that all of the nutty Repbulican spokeswomen are blonde barbie wannabes, whether it was Barbara Olson, Laura Ingram, Anne Coulter or Brunhilde herself, Laurie Mylroie.

The funny thing is that as time passes, I tend to confuse Paula Jones with that woman who cut her husband's dick off. Birds of a feather I suppose.


Gravatarso now they are evacuating the center of Birmingham (UK) what a mess


Gravatarhey el gato negro,

are you writing from pamplona this week? toros and all...


GravatarRight now, I'm not sure who/what I hate more: the Bush junta, or their enablers, the incestuous, self absorbed, self serving, venal motherfuckers known as the washington press corps.


GravatarThe orst crime ever as Clinton staffers stealing the 'W' keys from all the keyboards in the hite house...


GravatarWell, at last I understand why the press was so eager to pound that stupid story into the ground, while they sit on their thumbs and take ridiculous dication from the current junta.

NTodd -- I thought I heard that the W story was debunked, which disappointed me greatly because I thought it was BRILLIANT. And hilarious.


GravatarNah, the worst was when they put
all the little dildos on Christmas
trees. Ask Gary Aldrdige.....


GravatarThe funny thing is that as time passes, I tend to confuse Paula Jones with that woman who cut her husband's dick off. Birds of a feather I suppose.

If hadn't created so much mischief, it would be sad. Paula's husband left almost immediately after the case was over, the blond bimbo handler never returned her calls, and her name is now synomous with "idiot." She is back in Arkansas, all but forgotten. She even attended one of Bill Clinton's speeches, when asked why, she said she had every right to be there. Just sad.


Gravatarsteve simels - Now why would anyone manufacture little dildos? It's so obvious that this is a coverup of gargantuan "proportions," just like the idea that there were no Japanese terrorists in the US in 1941.
-Michelle Magadagadingdong


Gravatar"... lucrative, no-bid deals to private contractors". Ooh, slam on the Clinton administration cuz that's never gonna happen with a Republican in the White House.


GravatarI thought the worst thing was when President Clinton shot an armful of heroin in front of all those little Catholic school girls.

(Well, that didn't happen either, but I wouldn't be suprised if Regnery Press did a book on the incident anyway.)


Gravatarno-bid contracts show resolve and will and are patriotic and shit


Gravatar The orst crime ever as Clinton staffers stealing the 'W' keys from all the keyboards in the hite house...
NTodd


ord.


GravatarHas Merkin Patriot been around
lately?


GravatarThe hint that the travel office had blackmail-able info on press corps nasty habits is kind of interesting . . .


GravatarDidn't you get the memo? President Clinton was SELLING heroin to Catholic school girls.


GravatarI thought the worst thing was when Clinton went back in time and got a blow job from Martha Washington.


GravatarEveryone was focussed on the mouse out on the front lawn back then. Today, the press doesn't even notice that the elephant in the room has just pissed in their drinks.

And the elephant has "KBR/GOP" emblazoned on its side in huge red letters.


Gravatarit really does piss me off that the whore journalists pursued clinton over every peccadillo with a vengance.

meanwhile as real and dangerous crimes go on in the white house today, we get nothing.


GravatarI thought the worst thing was when President Clinton shot an armful of heroin in front of all those little Catholic school girls

I thought he shot it right into the clenis, after monica was done with it.


GravatarDidn't you get the memo? President Clinton was SELLING heroin to Catholic school girls.

I must not have been listening to the Pigman that day.


GravatarWell Iraq is Clintons fault, isn't it?


Gravatarso ither the british are jittery or somehting is up. nobody with firsthand news here?


GravatarBTW - I'mno English prof or anything, but shouldn't the banner read "Editorials?"


Gravatarit really does piss me off that the whore journalists pursued clinton over every peccadillo with a vengance.

You are obviously mistaken. They pursued Clinton over every armadillo offense, especially the lesbian three legged one that he had hidden by Arkansas state troopers.


GravatarDidn't you get the memo? President Clinton was SELLING heroin to Catholic school girls.
Doug


And if only he'd have been around after the glorious liberation of Afghanistan, imagine the cheap smack he could've gotten! His wife wouldn't have had to make a kazillion dollars on a $3.27 investment in cattle futures, at least.


Gravatarso ither the british are jittery or somehting is up. nobody with firsthand news here?

All I'm seeing on bbc.co.uk is a ticker saying evacuations in Birmingham.

Nothing specific.


GravatarYou are obviously mistaken. They pursued Clinton over every armadillo offense, especially the lesbian three legged one that he had hidden by Arkansas state troopers.

he was heard to say that that armadillo was the best he had ever had


GravatarI just turned on CNN to see if there is anything being reported on the Birminham story. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Oh my sides hurt. Sometimes I am silly.


GravatarDidn't you get the memo? President Clinton was SELLING heroin to Catholic school girls.

I thought he was snorting coke off of naked Catholic schoolgirls. Just goes to show you can't trust that damn Liberal media.


GravatarI would give my eye teeth to have Bill Clinton back in the WH.

Always tried to make myself feel sorry for Paula Jones, an obviously-not-too-bright girl who was used by the Clinton-haters and then thrown away. Sometimes, it was more difficult to feel sorry for her than others. It was always clear that things were never going to come out well for her.


GravatarKind of amazes, me, they contol both houses of congress, have their chimp in the presidents seat, & have gotten most of their judicial nominations approved, & still everything 4 & 1/2 years later is still Bill Clinton's fault.


Gravatari never paid any attention to any of that crap then, and i'm not going to start now.

the bitch of it was, other folks didn't use the good sense nature gave them to do the same.

tabloid culture...tabloid government...tabloid society...tabloid sense of reality...and we're apparently bound for a tabloid fate.


GravatarPaula Jones name was mentioned in the Houston paper earlier this week, she was going to the Clinton Library.


GravatarI thought I heard that the W story was debunked, which disappointed me greatly because I thought it was BRILLIANT. And hilarious.

yes, and quite juvenile. which is of course why the press reported it, that's the meme.

now the "adults are in charge" god save us all.

did it happen, or not? see, that't the problem. you can't know what is true or not anymore.


GravatarI think that in the future history books will have to change "Travelgate" to "Completely Useless Waste of Time At Taxpayer Expense-Gate".
-


GravatarI just turned on CNN to see if there is anything being reported on the Birminham story.

how silly of you. How can they report on the story when nobody's died yet? What, they should be journalists or something? There probably aren't even any photogenic white women involved.


Gravatarwell bbc is broadcasting the police newsconference but I can't watch it on my computer


Gravatarwe're supposed to be hurricaning purdy soon, but its clar skies right now.
Anybody seen a huricane around here?


GravatarOh, good times, good times. Clearcut financial chicanery, retaliation against whistleblowers, patronage - and it's so nice to know that the good times have come again.


GravatarHecate -- and what really frosts my shorts* is that the people who used her to make a big, hairy scene are positively OUTRAGED by the scurrilous feminazi concept of sexual harrassment.

*#5,291 in a series of ohmygodwilliteverend?


GravatarBTW, the Plain-Dealer obviously doesn't have the cojones exhibited by the Toledo Blade:

Ohio Paper Holding 2 Investigative Stories

CLEVELAND - The Plain Dealer, Ohio's largest newspaper, is holding two investigative stories based on leaked documents because they could result in the type of court showdown that led to a New York Times reporter being jailed.

The Plain Dealer is trying to find a way to publish the stories without relying on the documents, editor Doug Clifton said Friday.

"It was documentation that would have been illegal to share, so there wasn't any ambiguity about what we had," Clifton said.

Clifton said he had never before withheld a story because of such concerns.

"The climate has always been different," Clifton said. "Let's face it: During the Watergate years with Deep Throat, it was never even thought of. It wasn't even a remote possibility that someone was going to get subpoenaed because of Deep Throat squealing. That has changed so dramatically in the last few years."

The stories dealt with local and state government. Clifton told The New York Times in Saturday's edition that "the material was under seal or something along those lines."

(snip)


Gravatar"There probably aren't even any photogenic white women involved."

Just show, how lazy the press is. It's not too hard to find a creamy white blond girl in England.
They won't even work to make fake news.


Gravatarmatthew -- where are you? I'm near Daytona Beach, on the beach. Surf's UP!


GravatarNTodd -- I thought I heard that the W story was debunked, which disappointed me greatly because I thought it was BRILLIANT. And hilarious.

It as debunked, hich is hy I anted to use it for a stupid joke.


Gravatarvirginia,

jebbieville


Gravatar"are positively OUTRAGED by the scurrilous feminazi concept of sexual harrassment."

Eh? Eh? Sexual harassment is a 'feminazi' concept?


GravatarBirmingham evacuated at night. Troubling.


Gravatartabloid culture...tabloid government...tabloid society...tabloid sense of reality...and we're apparently bound for a tabloid fate.
r@d@r
====

I think you have that just about right. I have a feeling that it won't be quite so, entertaining, though.


GravatarI thought Clinton was shooting heroin he personally bought from the Taliban with Catholic schoolgirls so he could knock them up and force them to have abortions in Iraq.


GravatarLast Updated: Saturday, 9 July, 2005, 21:04 GMT 22:04 UK

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Police evacuate Birmingham centre

Police are due to issue a statement about the evacuation
Police in Birmingham are evacuating large parts of the city centre.
A West Midlands Police spokesman said people were being asked to leave the centre, particularly Broad Street, as a "precautionary measure"

He said it was in response to intelligence the force had received.

"It's quite tense," said BBC journalist Toby Brown.

No vehicles are being allowed to be moved, he added.

Birmingham resident Kenneth Kelsall told the BBC: "There is a lot of confusion, there appears to be no chance of anyone moving back into the city - but people are remaining quiet."


Gravatarwatertiger -- I'm banking on the Blade to come through with the story the PD won't print. Maybe Sunday's paper will have something.


GravatarGod, I hope that Birmingham thing is nothing.

GWPDA -- dontcha think? I mean from the Limpbough POV.


GravatarWatertiger or Steve Simels - was it pouring raining a while ago, or am I hallucinating?


Gravatar Police evacuate Birmingham centre

Birmingham resident Kenneth Kelsall told the BBC: "There is a lot of confusion, there appears to be no chance of anyone moving back into the city - but people are remaining quiet."


GravatarI thought Clinton was shooting heroin he personally bought from the Taliban with Catholic schoolgirls so he could knock them up and force them to have abortions in Iraq.

You forgot the part where he was sending part of the proceeds from the schoolgirl sales to the Red Chinese and North Koreans.


GravatarI thought Clinton was shooting heroin he personally bought from the Taliban with Catholic schoolgirls so he could knock them up and force them to have abortions in Iraq.

No, no, no. He was shooting up heroin WITH the Taliban while dressed in a catholic schoolgirl outfit and signing off on pro-choice legislation.


GravatarI would not be suprised if the British police are jittery.


GravatarTKK:

Skies were bright blue. Then they were pitch black. Now they are bright blue again.

Ummm...hello, schizo weather!


GravatarI'm banking on the Blade to come through with the story the PD won't print. Maybe Sunday's paper will have something.

Rock on, Toledo Blade! One of America's Great Newspapers. I know because they funded much of my frivolous spending as a lad...


GravatarIs it just me, or does the London bombing sound less and less like Al Quaeda?


GravatarPolice clear part of Birmingham in new scare


GravatarBBC-Birmingham:

Last Updated: Saturday, 9 July, 2005, 21:04 GMT 22:04 UK

Police are due to issue a statement about the evacuation

Police in Birmingham are evacuating large parts of the city centre.

A West Midlands Police spokesman said people were being asked to leave the centre, particularly Broad Street, as a "precautionary measure"

He said it was in response to intelligence the force had received.

"It's quite tense," said BBC journalist Toby Brown.

No vehicles are being allowed to be moved, he added.

Birmingham resident Kenneth Kelsall told the BBC: "There is a lot of confusion, there appears to be no chance of anyone moving back into the city - but people are remaining quiet."


GravatarJust noticed something interesting. The last major system upgrade I did, I set the system time to GMT, with the desktop having an offset for Mountain, to facilitate syncing the time to one of the time standards (don't ask why, but KDE time sync seems to work better this way)

Anyway, now the beeb sees me as a London England user, & their page is a bit different. Doesn't ask me anymore if I want the "US" edition either.

Now, I think I'm going to have to change things again to see what's different.


Gravatar Is it just me, or does the London bombing sound less and less like Al Quaeda?

The larger question is: who exactly is "al Qaeda" today? It was never really a monolithic organization. It wouldn't surprise me that these bad guys have adopted the cause and tactics, and *maybe* get funding from "the base", but are as independent as any other cell or splinter group.


GravatarPaula Jones name was mentioned in the Houston paper earlier this week, she was going to the Clinton Library.
chris/tx

Clearly Bill Clinton is obsessed with this woman. He keeps on building these libraries and giving speeches that unfairly attract her. It's all part of the Clinton master plan to control the world.


Gravatar Watertiger or Steve Simels

And don't forget loud thunder. Beautiful now.


(I'm not WT or SS, but live in NYC so figure I can answer anyway)


GravatarWatertiger or Steve Simels - was it pouring raining a while ago, or am I
hallucinating?
The Kenosha Kid | Email | Homepage | 07.09.05 - 5:13 pm | #

Nope -- circa 3;15 it rained
torrentially for about two
minutes. Then it just stopped.
I was in a cab.....


GravatarIt's all part of the Clinton master plan to control the world.

That, and the whole "Hillary Clinton becoming President by never running for President" thing.


Gravatar"Clearly Bill Clinton is obsessed with this woman. "
doubt that's true but if it was, then good for Bill. Has had by-pass surgury & still has enough moxie to lust.


Gravatar hey el gato negro,are you writing from pamplona this week? toros and all...

I must say-now-to-joo, amigo, I attempt to stay clear of the toros...

I am rrreminded of that wheech mi padre, Don Ricardo Salvador Ruiz Diego de Villega, widely know as El Garrado, was fond of say-eeng...

"Go, rrrun weeth the toros, more trozos sabrosos left for me!"

so.


Gravatar"al Qaeda" was never anything but a way to label fear. It's like calling people "freedom fighters" or "minute men".


GravatarClearly Bill Clinton is obsessed with this woman. He keeps on building these libraries and giving speeches that unfairly attract her. It's all part of the Clinton master plan to control the world.

He's totally asking for it.


GravatarNope -- circa 3;15 it rained
torrentially for about two
minutes. Then it just stopped.
I was in a cab.....


good week to stay out of the subway, I guess


Gravatar"minute men"

well...in some cases, that's true.

oh, no she diiiiin't!


GravatarI think at this point Al Qaeda is a couple of guys with some explosives and a cell phone. "The Secret Organization of Al Qaeda al-jihad in Europe?" Would that be the SOAQALE of the Ford Van Drivers, or the SOAQALE of the blue tennis shoes?


GravatarDoug - you can just tell the beeb where you are - or where you wish to be - or where you were. It'll believe you and offer up what it believes is the required page.

GWPDA -- dontcha think? I mean from the Limpbough POV.

You know, I so seldom imagine anything from that POV that I must consider this.


GravatarI miss taxicabs!


Gravatarwatertiger- Those terrorists are just in and out in a jiffy.


GravatarLife used to be so simple. I moved apartments throwing two hefty bags in the backseat of a cab. Good times, I think.


GravatarLife used to be so simple. I moved apartments throwing two hefty bags in the backseat of a cab.

JftB-That's a hell of a way to treat your parents!


GravatarThat, and the whole "Hillary Clinton becoming President by never running for President" thing.

Why settle for Preznit when you can BE A QUEEN?!


GravatarIt's not the sex, it's the lying.


GravatarLife used to be so simple. I moved apartments throwing two hefty bags in the
backseat of a cab. Good times, I think.
Jenny from the ßlog • | 07.09.05 - 5:24 pm | #

You got a couch and a bed in two
hefty bags?


Wow.....


Gravatar "al Qaeda" was never anything but a way to label fear.

That is just not true.


GravatarJftB-That's a hell of a way to treat your parents!

Ha! That's the cheap, no frills, NYC move. Only for the young...


GravatarJftB -- I moved so many times with less stuff than i could fit into a hefty bag. I was just telling this younger couple who are getting married: Just wait. When you're 50 you'll be obsessed with storage space. I don't even want to think about moving all this crap.


GravatarAnybody seen a huricane around here?

and that's another thing, why the nationwide 24/7 of hurricanes.

the only time i watch the locals are when a hurricanes coming. which can be quite helpful, and i would expect it to make national news as well, but there is only so much of brian williams being blown about that i want to see.

it's windy and warm in orlando. but if you aren't in orlando who really gives a rats ass.

so many serious issues at play in the world, and we get zippo...


Gravatarcanned lightning

http://photos16.flickr.com/ 20865...727316ea4_o.gif

wait for it to load

If you just have dialup, probobly you shouldn't bother.


Gravatarsteve -

Who needed a mattress in those days? Move in first, find bed later!


GravatarNTodd -- Loved the photo. If I write about the Blade tomorrow can I use it in a post? Among the many things I like about the Blade, not least is that when I write the reporters there they frequently answer back!

Also, Robin Cooke, who quit at UK foreign secretary over Iraq, says al Qaeda got it's name because the Afghan war mujahadeen were compiled in a data base by the CIA:

http://tinyurl.com/awo9y


Gravatarwatertiger:

It's written and directed by
Don Scardino, familiar to MST3K
fans as the star of that killer
worm movie they did....wonder
if that'll be in his Playbill
bio.....


GravatarI wonder if this 'splintering' will result in a huge copyright infringement suit being filed by one of OBL's kids?


GravatarI miss taxicabs!
Jenny from the ßlog •
====

That makes me think of the London cabs. Best ever. Sigh.

watertiger - maybe you'll have to climb up ladders and read dialogue off the ceiling.


GravatarIt's written and directed by
Don Scardino, familiar to MST3K
fans as the star of that killer
worm movie they did....wonder
if that'll be in his Playbill
bio...


I'll let you know later.


Gravatarvirginia -

I just unloaded a storage space. It was agonizing, giving away a lot of great stuff. But I'm so glad I'm finally rid of it........


Gravatarhttp://photos16.flickr.com/ 20865...727316ea4_o.gif

That. is. so. frickin'. cool.


GravatarWhy settle for Preznit when you can BE A QUEEN?!
NTodd

Empress?

What ever happened to the Tri-Lateral Commission? Shouldn't they have total control of the Earth by now?


Gravatarwatertiger - maybe you'll have to climb up ladders and read dialogue off the ceiling.



Gravatar Yoko gave her imprimatur to the show, so I'm hoping it's completely atonal.

Then I'm sure there will be lots of screaming like a chicken and makin' love.


Gravatarwatertiger:

Yes, please!


GravatarJenny from the ßlog -- When I was a teen in the 60s we got picked up by a cabdriver who'd installed a record player upside down in his cab (so the needle wouldn't skip). From that ride on we always requested him by name when we needed a taxi ride somewhere, sometimes we'd wait over an hour just so we could listen to his r&b records and give him our fare.


Gravatar Life used to be so simple. I moved apartments throwing two hefty bags in the backseat of a cab. Good times, I think.
Jenny from the ßlog • | 07.09.05 - 5:24 pm


joe strummer managed it in one.

man, i sure do miss him.


GravatarThat makes me think of the London cabs. Best ever. Sigh.
mena


When I was in New Orleans a few weeks ago I noticed that a cab company was using the London cabs.


Gravatar Life used to be so simple. I moved apartments throwing two hefty bags in the backseat of a cab. Good times, I think.
Jenny from the ßlog


Oy, The day I had to get a u-haul to move was the day I knew I'd lost my youth.


Gravatarhoping it's completely atonal.

At least it won't be all Ping,Ping,Ping!


Gravatarcs -

What a GREAT 60's story!


Gravatargoing to see "Lennon - The Musical" tonight. Supposed to be godawful

I had the same pre-show opinion. I was pleasantly surprised -- it wasn't bad.


GravatarThen I'm sure there will be lots of screaming like a chicken and makin' love.

full frontal on a Saturday night!


GravatarMy dad's an old Miami-dweller from waaay back, and he pointed out that with the advent of satellite technology, we're now spotting new tropical depressions when they form over the west coast of Africa and are tracking them all the way across the Atlantic, instead of just noticing them when they come near the Caribbean...
-


GravatarIs W's beloved Turdblossom a Turncoat?

You decide.

Enter the Karl Rove Whack-a-Mole Contest!


Gravatarcharley -- i wanted to ask earlier if anyone in Atlanta would have time to go down to the Weather Channel and kick some ass. They are so playing on the nerves left over from last year. I love weather, and we do need to be prepared, but they need to calm the fuck down.


GravatarThe larger question is: who exactly is "al Qaeda" today?

anyone of an infinite no. of pissed of radical muslim youth (and really what youth is not pissed off?) who is outraged by bush's "we're gonna smoke 'em out of their holes and whup 'em/ bring it on" policies/rhetoric.

come to think of it i'm kind of pissed off too.


GravatarI had the same pre-show opinion. I was pleasantly surprised -- it wasn't bad.

i don't like musicals, in general.

Except for Avenue Q. And Spamalot, which I am apparently getting tickets for for my birfday.


Gravatarman, i sure do miss him.
r@d@r
====

You and me both.

who'd installed a record player upside down in his cab (so the needle wouldn't skip).
===

Do what now????


GravatarOy, The day I had to get a u-haul to move was the day I knew I'd lost my youth.

The day I realised that I knew the exact tare weight of my household, to the pound, was the day I decided to never buy anything again other than food and drink. And toys for Arthur.


GravatarWhat ever happened to the Tri-Lateral Commission? Shouldn't they have total control of the Earth by now?

I think they're busy fighting with the Illuminati to see who gets the Plutonian phosphorus mines.


Gravatar"ABC white house correspondent Brit Hume..."

so there was evidence back then that he was a complete prick.


GravatarI get my hurricane weather here, because its just data, not all the commentary
http://www.crownweather.com/trop...m/ tropical.html


GravatarJenny from the ßlog -- Thanks. I've been sitting here w/ a smile on my face ever since your comment reminded me of it!


GravatarThe larger question is: who exactly is "al Qaeda" today? It was never really a monolithic organization. It wouldn't surprise me that these bad guys have adopted the cause and tactics, and *maybe* get funding from "the base", but are as independent as any other cell or splinter group.

A few years ago I read an article which described AQ as being something like a venture capital fund for terrorists. You come to them with a project, and, if they liked it, they would invest, provide training and guidance, and, in the end, take credit for the action. Unfortunately, I cannot remember where I read it, so I can't find a link.


GravatarThere was a letter in yesterday's daily rag from some moron claiming today's high gas prices are all Clinton's fault, because of not drilling in ANWAR. I was going to write in response I couldn't take any right winger seriously unless he also blamed the Clenis for being the 2nd shooter, but I'd forgotten about the shooting heroin stuff. And Hitlerly and the Christmas dildos.


GravatarLater, bats!

I love you all more than taxicabs with surroundsound!!!


GravatarTommy, the Musical.




The worst....


GravatarThe larger question is: who exactly is "al Qaeda" today?
====

People who don't like us.


GravatarTommy, the Musical.




The worst....


(making ptooie noises)


Gravatarwatertiger - maybe you'll have to climb up ladders and read dialogue off the ceiling.
mena


Awwww, that makes me all sad about John. Again. sigh.


Gravatarwatertiger-you don't like Rent?


GravatarThe day I realised that I knew the exact tare weight of my household, to the pound, was the day I decided to never buy anything again other than food and drink. And toys for Arthur.
GWPDA,


Sadly, I keep on buying books, even though I still have several hundred pounds of them still sitting in containers in the backyard...


GravatarThat last anonymous was moi.


Gravatari don't like musicals, in general.

This could be a problem.



I'll be curious to hear your opinion of the story arc. I thought they did a really good job of using the music to tell the story of his life.


GravatarTommy, the Musical.




The worst....
steve simels


Missed that joy, I'm afraid.


GravatarSteve's TV Tip:


For those of you with the Independent
Film Channel on your cable system,
apparently there's an interesting
documentary on the history of punk
rock tonight at Ten. Henry Rollins
is the narrator and its
directed by Don Letts
who was there at the beginning.

According to the NYTimes, the
three surviving New York Dolls
come off the most interesting.....

(well, two, actually -- one died
after the filming)


GravatarTommy, the Musical.
The worst....
steve simels
====


When did that come out, '76? I remember sneaking into the drive-in (remember those?) with my best friend on horseback to watch it.We hung the speakers on the pommels of our saddles. When the little security guy came over, he just shook his head and let us stay. We LOVED it, but all I can remember now is Ann-Margret in a hideous headscarf.


GravatarSadly, I keep on buying books, even though I still have several hundred pounds of them still sitting in containers in the backyard...

rorschach - Library card! (And I actually am cheating about the tare weight - Pop ran a freight company, so knowing stuff like that was like a grocer's kid knowing the markup on flour.)


Gravatarwatertiger-you don't like Rent?
footloose | Email | Homepage | 07.09.05 - 5:38 pm | #

I can't speak for her, but I
hated it. It was like being trapped
in a Meatloaf album.


Gravatar"minute men"

well...in some cases, that's true.

oh, no she diiiiin't!




Gravatarwatertiger-you don't like Rent?

nope. i don't like most of the caterwauling that comprises Broadway musicals these days. Just rehashes of maudlin Andrew Lloyd Weber/Tim Rice crap.

But that's just me.

P.S. I loved "Shockheaded Peter." But that was blacker-than-black comedy.


GravatarSadly, I keep on buying books, even though I still have several hundred pounds of them still sitting in containers in the backyard...
rorschach


I'm my local library branch's best friend. I'd have to rent storage space if I didn't have a firm policy of giving away 80% of the books I buy.


GravatarI love weather, and we do need to be prepared, but they need to calm the fuck down.
Virginia |

amen, if you don't live on the coast, no worries. matthew sounds like you might want to batten down the hatches.


Gravatarthanks steve simels, its tivoed


Gravatartrapped
in a Meatloaf album.


Gravatarsteve -- thanks for the tip. I know absolutely nothing about that genre, so it'll be a whole educaction for me.

mena -- what a cool memory! My favorite drive-in memory is the time my best friend (still, 35 years later, thank the various gods) and I bought $5 worth of catnip from some guys in a van. Damn, we thought we were hippies!


GravatarI can't speak for her, but I
hated it. It was like being trapped
in a Meatloaf album.


BRILLIANT!!!!


Gravatari don't like most of the caterwauling that comprises Broadway musicals these days. Just rehashes of maudlin Andrew Lloyd Weber/Tim Rice crap.

You might end up liking Lennon then. Assuming you like Lennons tunes -- no Sir Andrew music to be found.


Gravatarflory,

John was my favorite Beatle. I do love his music, which is why I thought I'd give this a shot.

But that other stuff-- I get enough sugar in my diet. I don't want to have to give myself an insulin injection at intermission.


GravatarI moved so many times with less stuff than i could fit into a hefty bag. I was just telling this younger couple who are getting married: Just wait. When you're 50 you'll be obsessed with storage space. I don't even want to think about moving all this crap.

We downsized from a four bedroom house, to a two bedroom apartment. You would not believe the crap we got rid of. I don't think I have bought anything in five years. And we still have too much crap.


Gravatarwatertiger:

Apparently the Lennon show's
gimmick is five or six different
actors
play him, including a woman and
an African American.

Might work.....


GravatarI know this is courting disaster, but I just noticed the last couple threads have been pretty much troll-free.

Did I just arrive at the right time?


Gravatartrapped
in a Meatloaf album.
steve simels

Good one. Key board cleaner on call.

Maury Yeston musicals don't all suck. Some of the music in "Nine" was wonderful.


Gravatari don't like musicals, in general.

The only musicals I can stand are:

Man of La Mancha
Rent
The Blues Brothers
South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut
Hair

That's about it.


GravatarOn, the other hand, historically
there have been few really good
Beatles covers, so the show music
could really suck, especially if
they're Broadway arrangements.


GravatarJust rehashes of maudlin Andrew Lloyd Weber/Tim Rice crap.
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That's why it's so easy for the Simpson's to parody this stuff.

Streetcar!


GravatarOoo, are we trashing Tommy? My favorite sport!

And I'll DVR that history of punk as well....


GravatarI know this is courting disaster, but I just noticed the last couple threads have been pretty much troll-free

the trolls are at birthday parties with the other preschoolers today...that or nintendo camp


Gravatar trapped
in a Meatloaf album.


Oh! And Rocky Horror Picture Show, of course.


GravatarMaury Yeston musicals don't all suck. Some of the music in "Nine" was wonderful.

I meant these days. "A Chorus Line" and anything that was Fosse-related was faboo.

I still think the musical pretty much died after the '50's, with the exception of "Hair."


Gravatarhistorically
there have been few really good
Beatles covers, so the show music
could really suck, especially if
they're Broadway arrangements.


Your boy Rob Laufer got his start in Beatlemania, IIRC.

Can we trash Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band next? Starring Peter Frampton, the Bee Gees, Steve Martin, and Aerosmith?


GravatarI can name a few musicals I've liked:
1) "Evita"
2) "Jesus Christ, Superstar"
3) "Chicago (not the movie)"
4) "Guys & Dolls"

And one I hate more than anything in the world:

"Moulin Rouge" /considers shooting self in head every time she thinsk of it


GravatarStreetcar!

"I am just a newsie..."


GravatarQL -- as rorschach suggests, our worst problem is the freaking books that multiply like mice, but we are still dealing with the aftermath of moving from a ten-room house into a 5-room beach shack, at a point when my stepfather had moved the contents of a 10-room house into the 5-room beach shack that contained my mother's lifetime collection of treasures and crap. So pity me, please.


GravatarI had free tickets to that piece
of shit Tommy on Broadway.

I wanted to shoot everyone
associated with it.

Especially Frank Rich who hyped
it as some kind of theatrical
breakthrough.


GravatarMoulin Rouge" /considers shooting self in head every time she thinsk of it

(making ptooie noises)

though i loved Baz Luhrman's "Strictly Ballroom". ut that wasn't a musical, thank god.


Gravatarres ipsa,
"Can this bewitching floozy
Seduce this humbe newsie?
Oh what's paper boy to.... doooooooo?"


GravatarBy the way, rorschach's avatar is a frontal image of an obese bumblebee (he's outgrown his wings, you see), in mid-air, desperately trying to zip up his tiny pants.


Gravatarwatertiger, GMTA!!!


Gravatarrorschach - Library card! (And I actually am cheating about the tare weight - Pop ran a freight company, so knowing stuff like that was like a grocer's kid knowing the markup on flour.)
GWPDA, Irate Scholar


That might work, if I didn't have to write in every single book I read. It's like a conversation for me...


GravatarI married an extensive book collection. I need to build some bookcase, I guess...I'd like to be able to use the garage.


Gravatarwith my best friend on horseback to watch it.We hung the speakers on the pommels of our saddles.

See! I toldja! Who the hell needs a car anyways, 'cept when you have to move iceboxes?


GravatarPaula Jones name was mentioned in the Houston paper earlier this week, she was going to the Clinton Library.

I'm willing to bet that it's the first library she's ever seen from the inside.


GravatarNYMary,

heh!


GravatarI thought rorschach's gravatar was a butterfly sending out lovey signals...


GravatarNYMary:

Rob Laufer? I don't think I knew
that.

Marshall Crenshaw, of course,
played John on Broadway. And
a friend of mine understudied Paul.

He later went on to write that
insufferable Mr. Big song "I'm
the One That Wants to Be With You."


GravatarNo, it's a geisha with butterfly wings and very advanced rickets.


GravatarPaula Jones name was mentioned in the Houston paper earlier this week, she was going to the Clinton Library.

She's just going to skim it looking for her name. (/Kids in the Hall)


GravatarDammit, Mary beat me to the *paperboy* line...!


Gravatarsimels ... Do you Sasha Frere-Jones who does music crit for NYer?


GravatarCan we trash Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band next? Starring Peter
Frampton, the Bee Gees, Steve Martin, and Aerosmith?
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 07.09.05 - 5:49 pm | #

Andrew Sarris famously said that
the script (and I knew the guy who
wrote it) sounded like it had been
written between snorts of cocaine
in the Studio 54 mens room.


GravatarI thought "Millie" was a good show. I also had a great time at "Into The Woods." Great music and funny. Vanessa Williams was OK. "Nine" will likely be a movie soon.


GravatarBy the way, rorschach's avatar is a frontal image of an obese bumblebee (he's outgrown his wings, you see), in mid-air, desperately trying to zip up his tiny pants.
mena


I thought it was black bear walking into the Arizona horizon over a path of shamrocks. And let me tell you what, that black bear hates his mother.


Gravatar No, it's a geisha with butterfly wings and very advanced rickets.

I STILL say geisha sheep.


Gravatarsimels ... Sorry, do you KNOW Sasha ....


Gravatarsteve,
He was George.
http://beatlemaniaalumni.com/BUNK4.htm


Gravatar"Moulin Rouge"

I agree with your list but also add Pajama Game. Moulin Rouge was so bad I watched maybe the first half hour and knew I would be sick.


GravatarDoes the David Byrne/Talking Heads movie "True Stories" count as a musical?
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Gravatarres:

I think you asked me that before,
but no I don't.

Do you like his stuff?


GravatarI do, Virginia, I do. You see I inherited the household of a family of six - all of it, four complete trousseaux, everybody's books, all the furniture, everything.... It's taken me something like twenty years to get shet of most of it, and the only way I did it was by moving periodically and not giving a lot of it a forwarding address. I nearly won when I had to put it all in storage in Ithaca and then three years later thought seriously about just saying to hell with it and 'pretending to forget about paying the bill.' You can do it tho. Remember, there really is no need to own incomplete and torn copies of the paperback of Vanity Fair. Trust me. Not even if you really liked it.


GravatarDo you like his stuff?

Nah, I asked you if you knew Jeff Tamarkin, who is married to my friend.

As for Sasha, I'm biased. I know him. So, yeah, I like his work.

He's doing Steve Earle's show on AAR tomorrow PM.


GravatarI thought rorschach's Gravatar was a picture of a dog with it's head split by an axe...

(no, I'm not nuts, it's a Watchman reference)
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GravatarI guess it took the New York Times only about a couple of days to blame the Brits for the bombing in the Tube.

I wonder if they thought about an article on how the Americans were to blame for 911 because we allow foreigners to visit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/ 1...artner=homepage


Gravatarso there was evidence back then that he was a complete prick.
Phil

RE: brit hume. my brother aka x marine, born again, rightwing rethug, informs me he was kicked out of the press corps via the clinton white house.

i really don't like political power pushing the press around. but in this case, if true, a most judicious move.

brit to mort kondrake, "no that's not really the way you feel about this issue, this is the way you feel." fred barnes, "that's right mort." The Fox New All Stars.


Gravataroh i forgot

Mort, yeah, well ok, you're right.


GravatarHe's doing Steve Earle's show on AAR tomorrow PM.
res ipsa loquitur | 07.09.05 - 5:58 pm | #


If Steve Earle think's he's cool,
as well as you, that's good enough
for me.....


GravatarOhhhh. I love musicals.

Caberet (saw it on Broadway the first week it opened. I used to know people ya know)
1776
Les Miz
Chicago

Mr. QL has been educating me to opera. Not bad.
And others.

Virginia - you definitely have my sympathy.
Clean sheets ya all.


GravatarI do love his music, which is why I thought I'd give this a shot.

Plus, the tickets were free.


So tomorrow we can compare notes.


Gravatarsimels ... Ah, ya like Mr. Earle, eh?


GravatarGWPDA -- I know, I know. And what are you really ever going to do with those hand-painted gas-jet globes, or the copper coated aluminum pots? But I'm struggling to pare it down. I do another pass every year, and I'm getting more ruthless.

Thanks for reminding me, though, because from where I'm sitting I can see ten linear feet of paperbacks that i simply do not need to feed the silverfish with.


GravatarSgt Pepper is maybe the most ill-conceived film ever. Great trash cinema though, very much in the over-the-top mode of Tommy. And you know what? If they pitched it today, it would still get made.


Gravatarflory,

i'll report in later tonight, assuming i haven't driven a spike through my head before the final curtain.


GravatarSgt Pepper is maybe the most ill-conceived film ever. Great trash cinema though, very much in the over-the-top mode of Tommy. And you know what? If they pitched it today, it would still get made.


I agree- it complete sucked.


It would probably be even worse if it were made today.


Gravatarsimels ... Ah, ya like Mr. Earle, eh?
res ipsa loquitur | 07.09.05 - 6:02 pm | #

Big time....


GravatarQL,

"It's hotter than hell in Philadelphia"...

All the ones you cited were written before this latest crop of shit productions (starting with "Cats"). Revivals brought them back to B'way.

and sadly, I despised "Les Miz". Got into a whopping argument with my boyfriend over it.

"I know what this is all about! You want me to have an abortion!" -- "Airplane!"


Gravataral Qaeda" was never anything but a way to label fear. It's like calling people "freedom fighters" or "minute men".
spinoza - 5:21 pm


A couple of weeks ago my brother sent me an e-mail including a few links to web sites devoted to the events of 9/11. He joked that I shouldn't stay up all night, and wondered why I hadn't put him onto such sites in the first place.

I didn't stay up all night, but I did get caught up in a merry round of cybersurfing that left me worked up and disturbed.

I've tried to comment about this on open threads, but no matter how hard I tried to pare it down, the comment grew like a rank and tangled version of Jack's magic beanstalk. Plunging into those sites raised thorny questions both about the events themselves, and the epistemological difficulties they engender.

For instance, I was dismayed to realize that I'd readily accepted the simple explanation that the WTC towers collapsed neatly solely as a result of the hijacked planes striking them. After all, I'd watched the NOVA episode laying it out! You know, NOVA-- with that grave and thoughtful narrator and the interview clips with qualified, no-nonsense experts and authorities. And nifty visuals and graphics, too. Case closed. Occam's Razor and all that-- don't want to become a tinfoil-hatter, or delusionally conspiracy-minded, after all!

I realized that for all of my settled belief that I'm skeptical and hard-headed, that it didn't take much for me to accept the Official Version. Even the appalling fact that a proper forensic investigation of the WTC site was neither proposed nor conducted went right past me. (If it didn't bother NOVA, why should it bother Your Humble Narrator?)

I bring this up now because it affected my reaction to the London explosions. It struck me much more forcefully how almost everyone readily buys into the prefabricated scripts right away, and how such facile first impressions soon "set" into a general understanding.

So, Spinoza 5:21, I heartily agree. (And the thread is probably long-dead by now.)


Gravatar(no, I'm not nuts, it's a Watchman reference)

I thought rorschach's Gravatar was a picture of a dog with it's head split by an axe...


well ok then, 'cause like i said the other day, it makes a difference if you see monsters or sex. it's generally considered more healthy if you see sex.

to me they always look like monsters having sex.


GravatarI think Steve Earle's "Goodbye" (sung by Emmylou on "Wrecking Ball") is just about one of the best pop-folk songs ever. And "Transcendental Blues" is a really great album. He's a genius.


GravatarI bring this up now because it affected my reaction to the London explosions. It struck me much more forcefully how almost everyone readily buys into the prefabricated scripts right away, and how such facile first impressions soon "set" into a general understanding.
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Not entirely dead. I read this and nearly wept to see someone else getting it. Thank you. Thank you.

I don't want to end up alienated from good people because of these evil games, and I don't want to end up an outcast myself for questioning. Right now, for me, that is the most pressing question: how to keep from being overwhelmed by all this and dropping out.


Gravatari'll report in later tonight, assuming i haven't driven a spike through my head before the final curtain.

sorry, it's an illness.


Gravatarto me they always look like monsters having sex.
charleykindofpissedoff


Heh heh heh. I'll have to remember that one...
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GravatarThanks, mena. I appreciate the validation, if you don't mind the pop psychology way of putting it.

Maybe I'll repost this on the live thread above. I seem to be in another rut of bad timing...


GravatarI thought the worst thing was when Clinton went back in time and got a blow job from Martha Washington.
spinoza


And charged 'Muricans with the time machine "mileage". The horor, the horror!!!


GravatarMaybe I'll repost this on the live thread above.
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Please do. Or let me. I WANT to have this conversation.


GravatarLittle Bro, you still around? That was a really great insight. It's relevant to the thread upstairs, so why don't you repost it there?


GravatarAll the ones you cited were written before this latest crop of shit productions (starting with "Cats").

Only musical I've ever walked out of.

I did love Le Miz tho. Saw it 3 times.


GravatarInfidel:

That's disgusting. (Not you, but the NYT hit piece you posted.) But sadly, not surprising.


GravatarIndictments are just around the corner...

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