I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Woody--just you and me, babe?
just you and me and the devil makes three
If Fitzgerald is going for criminal contempt, then he must have offered Judy Chabiller immunity, otherwise the 5th amendment kicks in.
If you kids don't behave I'll turn this thread right around!
Blue Dragon!
Central--what, and miss the Eschaton Eating Liberally Brunch Buffet, now serving?
If Fitzgeral gives Judy immunity, then the natural strategy would be to try to pin the crime on her, thereby letting Rove off the hook.
Well, yes, i DID post this on the thread below, but wtf, it's saturday...
Re: Birth and other dates
today is the 60th Aniversary of the first, man-made atomic explosion, over the northern White Sands, between Alamogordo and Socorro NM. the late Ellen Meloy wrote poetically and tragically about it...
for a number of years, i have celebrated it as, also, the anniversary of my conception; for i was born more or less 280 days later (April 20, 1946--at 4:20 am).
My dad was home on leave from the Pacific where he had been shepherding submarines around for a couple of years from the deck of an ancient destroyer, and he and mother were in Santa Fe that whole week; which fact i use to buttress my claim to having been among The First Atomic Zygotes™.
which, before it occurs to anyone else, is, indeed, a GREAT name for a band...
just sayin'
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So Fitzgerald would need to know that he had an alternate way of pinning down Rove, without Judy.
I'm pretty sure it was ELI that leaked the info to Novak.
Sally, it's great seeing you again
CURSES! I type too slow!
Sallyh, here was my reply from the previous thread:
Uncle Smokes--were you a Hollywood Squares fan?
I was a Paul Lynde fan as a child.
When our mother allowed us to buy one 45 record each, my brother got ZZ Top's "Tush," and I got the Bee Gee's "Jive Talkin'."
Earlier, The first LP I asked my mother to get me was Bedknobs and Broomsticks [Angela Lansbury?! Oh, darling, the picture is gettin' clearer...]
No wonder my worried parents figured me out so early...
if you like hot science babe on hot science babe action
Ibid.
Kenosha Kid--even Eli has standards. They're low, but he's got them!
He has all the email, phone records, and the memo Powell read on AF1 on July 6. Somewhere in all of that it might establish that Rove knew Plame was CIA.
what, and miss the Eschaton Eating Liberally Brunch Buffet, now serving?
What are we having?
Is there any way that someone in the administration laundered Plames name through Chalabi through Miller to Novak through Rove through Matt Cooper?
And is there any way this someone might be Rove?
My mother is cooking a roast beef joint for dinner tonight. Plus steamed vegtables.
she is looking forward to no cooking for 10 days while in Tunisia.
Uncle Smokes--I think a lot of our parents worried about us when we were young.
Hell, I'm ass deep in middle age, and my mother continues to look for signs of improvement. She continues to be disappointed.
Why are some gravatars appearing, but not others??
I think Fitzgerald has his ducks in a row.
Speaking of ducks,
TO THE DUCK PIT, BITCHES!
Remember how we used to talk about that special place? hee hee.
Is Colin Powell's name starting to come up a lot or is it just me? Remember that Novak said one of his sources was "not a partisan gunslinger."
Sallyh;
Damn! I knew this would happen. I just posted reply to you in the thread below.
Rather long one.
greetings moonbats! at last a time to hang - busy week with work and tiny offspring. Is brunch still on?
Because if Fitzgerald CAN'T establish that Rove knew Plame was CIA PRIOR to his conversations with Judy Chalabmiller, and AFTER Wilson's editorial ran, it could be very dicey to give Judy immunity.
And he isn't going to be able to make criminal contempt stick without at least an offer of immunity, which Judy would take.
Central--Bloody Marys with Bay's seasoning, mimosas, sour cream coffee cake, cherries, and peaches. In a short while, Belgian waffles.
Is Colin Powell's name starting to come up a lot or is it just me? Remember that Novak said one of his sources was "not a partisan gunslinger."
I wondered about that same thing. The slime machine will turn on Powell in a heartbeat.
Kate--I read it. Have her start with Debtors' Anonymous. They actually can give her financial counseling and help her work out a plan.
My mother is cooking a roast beef joint for dinner tonight.
that's gotta be hard to roll, much less smoke...
A moose once bit my sister.
What if Colin talked to Judy?
Surely, Karl Bob Jones University Southern Strategy Rove wouldn't let the black guy take the fall?
Hi, Sallyh.
I'd love a Bloody Mary right now, thank you -- and a yummy Belgian waffle when they're ready. You rerally know how to take care of us.
Sallyh;
I will pass that along. Thank you.
WoodyGuthriesGuitar(aka... ~ well its one of those joints already in a roasting tray. You just shove it in the oven and it cooks it.
Toonscribe--you've been served 
Something is amiss with Gravatar. You click on "View Image" for the ones not seen, and you get "www.gravatar.com cannot be found." Same if you try to go to the site directly. Oh, and g'morning, all.
Remember that Novak said one of his sources was "not a partisan gunslinger."
I'd be surprised if Powell was involved in outting Plame.
He has always seemed to have had more integrity than the rest of the thugs. A man caught between a rock and a hard place.
Time will tell.
Top Ten Karl Rove Excuses
Time to spank the Bobo once again:
The Unbearable Lightness Of Bobo
has 4lg dropped in yet for an update on maxx the lion kitty? hopefully kitty is doing better today...
Uncle Smokes,
I love Paul Lynde, so that doesn't prove anything.
It's my attraction to Paula Pundtone that makes my wofe wonder sometimes .....
the joint also is not very big. Its just the right size for 3 people.
Hmm. Thinking more about Colin, didn't the memo that identified Plame as the one suggesting Wilson for the Niger trip, and identifying her as CIA come out of the state dept?
Poundstone, of course. sticky keys.
Fitzgerald seems like part of the "terror expert" network to me.
The staff of the 9/11 commission called him one of the world's best terrorism prosecutors.
.....
"His thoroughness, his relentlessness, his work ethic are legendary," says terrorism expert Daniel Benjamin, a former member of the National Security Council.
.......
He spit fire last year when reporters asked whether the racketeering indictment of Muhammad Hamid Khalil Salah, a fundraiser for the Islamic militant group Hamas, was timed to boost President Bush's reelection campaign. The case was trumpeted first by Attorney General John Ashcroft.
Hey, brewski, this has all been discussed.
"He has always seemed to have had more integrity than the rest of the thugs. A man caught between a rock and a hard place.
Time will tell."
I used to think that, too, before he went before the UN and lied his ass off. So, I would not doubt anything he'd be willing to do for chimpco.
JDW--as of last night, Maxx the Lion Kitty was stable. He's in hospital still, but his vision returned, his temperature was getting back on track, and 4Legs spent three hours at the vet cuddling him, which had to have done a world of good.
I think we should use the law of the the WH. Lets just skip the inictments and trials, and get right to the executions.
A moose once bit my sister.
Mynd you, moose bites kan be pretti nasti.
can one be OT on an open thread?
new tidbit - third living human pictued on modern british currency -
first two were the queen and queen mother.
third is -
Jack Nicholas.
Scotland just put him on the 5 pound note.
Ummm.. That would be indictments
damn fingers...
WGG, "The First Atomic Zygotes™"
And I'll have a mimosa, Sallyh. You're a doll.
Well, they kind of all ready hung Powell out on the UN speech, no?
And about all we need to know re Powell is his My Lai coverup.
Powell's right there in turd-blossom-lake with the rest of the offal. By choice. He could have been a Dem once he left the military.
Powell chose Bush.
Re: Kitties
a friend was hospitalized for obsservation yesterday, a woman executive, about 43, after she complained of some of the (newly recognized) symptoms associated with women's cardiac problems...
they say, after 24 hours in the hospital, she's gonna be okay ('cept, they found she had young emphysema and are suggesting she suspend smoking pot; yeah, right).
but i spent the night in the country with her menagerie: 3 dogs and 2 cats. I hadn't had kitties attend my slumbers in some number of years, and so was (pleasantly) surprised when, at some time during the dark hours, her newest cat, a sleek 12-pounder with grey and white ocelot markings, gently tested my chest and belly with her paw before curling up on my chest for about an hour or so if joint slumber...
it was quite nice...
.
Well, obviously I'm not one of the kewl kids. I signed up at gravatar several hours ago but have yet to receive an email confirmation. I thought it was supposed to be automatic.
David Gregory..................journalist.
Andrea Mitchell.................apologist hack.
Carl Bernstein..................journalist.
Bob Woodward.................former journalist / current apologist hack.
If Fitz is really into something deeper than appears on the surface, and the heat starts getting unpleasant in neocon circles, it will be interesting to see if any Dems start getting on the apologist bandwagon.
Posting was temporarily out of order. Gravatar won't even let me try to pick out a px. Some days I feel kind of paranoid.
Well, obviously I'm not one of the kewl kids.
Pooh. What does gravatar know?
You sure you gave them the right email addy?
Okay. H'scan just dropped like 20 minutes' worth of posts on my display, after I tested this (which is from a post that's no longer on my monitor):
I've noticed lately that if you refresh comments, the gravatars disappear. Close the window, reopen and voila!
I did that and have nooo gravatars, and now cannot see posts between:
tired of the elephant | 07.16.05 - 12:27 pm |
and
Uncle Smokes | Email | 07.16.05 - 12:47 pm
Probably no point in typing this: I'll post it and get a "We'll be right back" or something.
The gravator server must not be working.
The ones you see are in your cache, and will disappear eventually.
OK (and OT), how did you people get here? Seriously, how did you first become aware of Eschaton?
I first came here thanks to the late and much-lamented Media Whores Online.
Gravatar won't even let me try to pick out a px. Some days I feel kind of paranoid.
Gravatar is not available right now. Least not for me. None of my Internets can find it.
Flory--step up to the buffet line. Plenty for all.
"OK (and OT), how did you people get here?"
musta taken a bad left turn somewhere on the internets superhighway...
How can a frickin' bicycle race possibly be as exciting as the Tour de France?
Ignoreland--I'm here via the Allspinzone.
You sure you gave them the right email addy?
flory
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I went back and tried again after the first hour. However, it is a new account.
OK (and OT), how did you people get here? Seriously, how did you first become aware of Eschaton?
I think I came here first through a Daypop link when... somebody was threatening to sue Atrios over something. What WAS that?
The gravator server must not be working.
I mean "gravatar."
Gravator is a hideous creature from the planet Bloviatrix, who assails all with his grim and grave blog comments.
ignoreland
I first came here through a link from Buzzflash.com.
Toonscribe--Haloscan thinks it will break the will of liberals. Ha!
my brother recommened Eschaton to me, he got me into the whole blogging thing basically.
OK (and OT), how did you people get here? Seriously, how did you first become aware of Eschaton?
I tried to trace back my travels thru left blogistan one time. I *think* I got here via kos, but I honestly don't remember.
my brother runs his own blog as well:-
Little Red Blogger
OK (and OT), how did you people get here? Seriously, how did you first become aware of Eschaton?
I got here from http://liberaloasis.com
Love that site.
somebody was threatening to sue Atrios over something. What WAS that?
Silleigh
Lusking the stalker. Threatening to sue to force the then anonymous Atrios to reveal his identity.
IIRC, one letter from a lawyer sent his pansy ass scampering away.
A moose once bit my sister.
that must have hurt like elk.
Gotta run: movie date, and we're introducing my fella's dog to my cats tonight. Wish us luck! Well, do it silently, 'cuz I'm outta here ::poof::
musta taken a bad left turn somewhere on the internets superhighway...
Do you remember that old cartoon, I can't remember who drew it? Clueless person sitting in front of a computer, and the caption says "Took a wrong turn on the computer superhighway and wound up in a microwave oven in Davenport, Iowa."
that must have hurt like elk.
spinoza | Email | 07.16.05 - 1:01 pm | #
deer, deer. anipuns again?
Wonder where w is today?
Spinoza--if mer were here, that last comment would have yielded a 'damn you, Spinoza!'
oh deer Rove is trapped in the headlights.
I can't remember how I got here, but I think MWO was involved.
Air America's Majority Report showed me the way here. I think.
Me: Atrios? What the hell's an Atrios?
deer, deer. anipuns again?
Shbinga
Giraffe to be quick to keep up around here.
not sure if this posted before but.....
Today's happy thought.
Dick Cheney is having part 2 of his annual check up....it includes a colonoscopy....so as we type someone is sticking two fingers up Cheney's butt!
meatgrapesv.
I'm telling Eli that everyone had pun without him...
Giraffe to be quick to keep up around here.
flory, Contributing Editor | Email | 07.16.05 - 1:05 pm | #
perhaps we should leaf the animals alone and branch off into another kingdom.
oh deer Rove is trapped in the headlights.
Hopefully he'll eland up in jail.
anyone heard anything about m.w.o.? i hope they'll come back with a roar.
-J.T.
Paul--don't they usually autopsy dead bodies as opposed to colonscoping them?
Seriously, how did you first become aware of Eschaton?
For me it all started 4-5 years ago, as a fan of Tom Tomorrow's work.
He kept linking to interesting bits from some chap named Atrios.
However, only in the past few of months have I acquired the comment addiction.
"My name is Uncle, and I'm a postaholic..."
Sallyh
We liberals are persistent and will not be defeated by the Vast Haloscan Conspiracy!
Karin
horning in on the fun?
who gnu....
-J.T.
OK (and OT), how did you people get here? Seriously, how did you first become aware of Eschaton?
Atrios used to post as 'Kurt Foster' donkey's years ago -- back as far as the Impeachment, IIRC -- on Salon's TableTalk Forums. One day the link to the blog turned up in his sig, and the rest is history...
Lest we forget.
Rove and Novak have a history of leaking.
One Bush knew how to take care of business.
on Salon's TableTalk Forums. One day the link to the blog turned up in his sig, and the rest is history...
ditto..
OK (and OT), how did you people get here? Seriously, how did you first become aware of Eschaton?
bartcopnation. we're not rabid, we just like the foam.
-J.T.
i got here through the horse. although there a lot of great blogs out there, my big 3 originally were mwo, atrios and josh marshall.
Is haloscan actually letting me in today? I could see you all in here last night, laughing and talking and eating, my nose pressed up against the glass, locked out in the cold.
How's Maxx????
Comment Successfully Posted
woohoo!
anyone heard anything about m.w.o.? i hope they'll come back with a roar.
I remember when the site first when down, all you would get was a blank page. Then someone, I think Bartcop, mentioned that the archives were an important resource and he hoped the page would return even if only acting as a library. Within a few days the page was back up. No new postings, but I believe you can still search it.
My name is Uncle, and I'm a postaholic..."
Hiiiii Uncle!
anyone heard anything about m.w.o.? i hope they'll come back with a roar.
-J.T.
JohnTomato
I have not, I don't know what's up. Horse, if you're out there, please come back!!
I think I found this place through
Hesiod but I'm not really sure...
perhaps we should leaf the animals alone and branch off into another kingdom.
Shbinga
Maple we should.
mena - that's too sad. Welcome back.
(waves at mena)
That's a shame, Mena, We had great cherry pie last night, too. I'm going to walk mine off now.
Maple we should.
we must root out all these puns!
-J.T.
Someone posted "new thread" but I don't see it. Not even going in through archives. Just this old, tangled web that looks like a kitten got into my sewing basket.
OK (and OT), how did you people get here? Seriously, how did you first become aware of Eschaton?
I got here from the Horse (Media Whores Online), which used to reference Eschaton liberally (pun intended, I guess).
Maple we should.
we must root out all these puns!
And branch out onto other topics.
Uncle Smokes ~ yep same with me.
My brother suggested I check out Eschaton and I am glad I did
I was a long time lurker before I became addicited to the comments section.
I plucked up the courage to post on one of atrio's friday cat blogging
while at Uni I did very little posting.
But as soon as I came home for the summer with our lovely broadband wireless connection it was downhill from there
You know the horse was never identified. Wouldn't it be funny if he were, hold onto your hats,
Duncan Black?
Thanks guys! So how is Maxx? I could read about him last night, I just couldn't say anything to 4LG.
So you guys must've heard about Hero of the Republic and Saviour of the People, Bearded Joe Lieberman. He's calling an inquiry, along with right-wing celebrity Hillary Rodham C, into the "serious matter" (his words) of sexual content in a video game called "Grand Theft Auto."
so, to expand:
1 In the midst of the Rape of Iraq and the scandal-plagued criminal Bushevik reign, the "serious matter" on Holy Joe's mind is anything in a video game.
2 As the name of the game implies, this is actually a car theft simulator, with plenting of murder, chases and crashing. And Joe's concerned some of these murdering car theives might have an orgasm.
3 Rethugs are certainly not going to give "us" any "morality credit points" for this assinine performance.
And branch out onto other topics.
Please prune your posts.
-J.T.
Toonscribe ~ thank you I will try Cause I need my Eschaton fix
I plucked up the courage to post on one of atrio's friday cat blogging
I jumped into a troll hunt...probably toby...bless his sad, twisted soul....
I find that I am almost always reactive. on the few occasions when I would have had first post, I went blanked.
I suppose I could have saud "Frist" or "I like gravy," but I did not see the point.
If you guys start punning again, I'm leafing.
spasmodeus,
yawn.
If you guys start punning again, I'm leafing.
oak-kay.
-J.T.
Duncan Black?
QL in NY
Whew! Thank God! I was afraid the punch line was going to be...
Judith Miller.
If you are bitten by a moose, is the injury called a caribou-boo?
Please prune your posts.
i tried to weed bad onesout. till i ground out a good one. but my reputation , i'm afraid, is soiled.
Well, it hasn't really rained in weeks. looks like Mother Nature is trying to catch up all in one day.
Little Brøther - they'll be spinning this for years, but they're still going down.
When I refreshed just now, keeping this thread open, all the other threads reverted to zero. Not sure what that means, since the counters don't seem to be working anymore anyway. "We'll be right back" = WTF??
I wonder if Hillary has had any HOT COFFEE lately?
Bill must have unlocked the game to piss her off so much.
I'm deathly sick of the once-waggish and clever "-gate" suffix being appended to any and all scandals
I keep waiting for a scandal involving Bill Gates, Gatesgate, or some scandal involving the English Teachers Association, to get the palindrome, ETAGate.
Old news, Anonymous.
I find nothing wrong with her talking about her concerns.
But I'm a mom.
You?
i tried to weed bad onesout. till i ground out a good one. but my reputation , i'm afraid, is soiled.
that's a shade over the line, goes against my grain it does.
-J.T.
You know, I twigged that this would degenerate into a another punfest, but I didn't want to go out on a limb and bark at everyone to stop.
Because I'm truly frond of this place.
Yep, good old Hillary and Joe Mentum giving the pugs another loaded gun, so to speak. No wonder the 18-24 year olds don't give a fuck about voting. Keep wasting your fucking time with video games and music, assholes.
How did I get here?
IIRC, I had been surfing the op-eds on line, trying to find SOMEONE who wasn't full of shit. Also IIRC, the yahoo! links included something called "Talking Points Memo"...which probably linked to Kos, which probably linked to Atrios...or something like that.
Moonbat-ism marches on. Ahh, the sweep of hist'ry....
Because I'm truly frond of this place.
we could have the thread sawn and quartered then packed up in a trunk if you'd like.
-J.T.
I'm deathly sick of the once-waggish and clever "-gate" suffix being appended to any and all scandals
If you are conspiring to get rid of this sickness, would that be called regurgigate?
I'm fer tilling you to stop the puns.
Compost yourselves, people.
Yep, good old Hillary and Joe Mentum giving the pugs another loaded gun, so to speak.
well, you know the rethugs.
daisy whatever dey want to see.
why are the trolls still (5 years out)obsessed with the Clintons? is there nothing redeeming in their idiot patriarch to advance or do they just yearn for a sense of what real humanity is? instead of an ignorant, fearful, hate-filled and mostly celibate little life.
trolls?
Brew, Fitzgerald isn't going to let Miller walk. She fucked up a prior national-security-related investigation of his back in 2001, by tipping off its subjects about it. You don't do that to Fitzgerald and expect to get away with it.
MEC made an excellent post yesterday about the desperation of Rove's defenders and how they're trying to spin this case in the press, even as they realize it's looking grimmer and grimmer in the arena where it actually counts, the courts.
MEC finishes her post with this salient point:
There's sure to be something significant about Rove telling Stephen Hadley (who is now National Security Advisor) about this conversation. I won't bet real money that any member of the press corpse pursues this angle.
And in the comments for that post, Charles hits the nail on the head:
Something significant like the utter absurdity of the president's political guy contacting his national security guy rather than reporting a serious breach of security to the CIA?
Think about that for a moment, ladies and gentlemen.
Karl Rove finds out about a major breach of CIA security, and he doesn't report it to the CIA, over which Rove has little direct control, but instead to someone whose job Rove can take away with the crook of his little finger.
Can you think of any legitimate reasons for him to avoid reporting this to the CIA? I sure can't.
I can, however, think of one very nasty reason: That Rove might want to punish Wilson by outing Wilson's wife, and Rove knew full well that the CIA, if they knew his intentions, would fight him tooth and nail.
Hey, Pat Fitzgerald! If you want more evidence of Rove's malice aforethought, it's right here. The pattern and practice of Rove's slimy actions speaks for itself.
BlakNo1--how's Dudley today?
Of course, there could be another scandal involving the Watergate hotel, and we'd get Watergategate.
Focus--it's because the trolls got nuthin.'
I got here from MWO, too. Miss that site, but always wondered if James Carville had a hand in it, and everytime I think of ol' snakehead, I think of him banging Matalin.
That said, think I'll have to pass on the brunch, Sallyh...
the trolls are envious because Clinton was so popular and fancied by women!
Dr Strangelove coming up on
TCM at 2 o'clock.
You younger Eschatonians who
think the media started to suck
during the Clinton years should
know that when Strangelove
came out originally, the media
concensus was that it was a
Commie movie for suggesting that
America could start an
unjustified war.
Yes, we (or should I say they)
were that innocent.
Thanks, JT-- then I could turn off the PC and still feel logged on.
Can't anyone tell me how Maxx is today?
Bill must have unlocked the game to piss her off so much.
Face it peeps, sex sells. I watched some stupid thing that touted itself as a quasi-documentary of Vegas whorehouses on HBO. All it was was porn, as most romance novels are nothing but soft porn. So Clinton's "distinguising characteristics" got the rubes panties in a knot, and allowed people to talk and think about things they had been taught were dirty.
Hillary and Joe are just trying to get some attention. That's all.
Steve--have you yearned for me tragically?
We had to explain the Cold War to our young daughter in order for her to understand why we laughed at the jokes in 'Strangelove.' She stared at us, disbelieving. "But that makes no sense."
As for savage political fighting, read some Latin. The Romans weren't especially polite with their opponents, both internal and external.
Dr. Strangelove: Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?
Ambassador de Sadesky: It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Premier loves surprises.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057...t0057012/
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You younger Eschatonians who
think the media started to suck
during the Clinton years should
know that when Strangelove
came out originally, the media
concensus was that it was a
Commie movie for suggesting that
America could start an
unjustified war.
Yes, we (or should I say they)
were that innocent.
steve simels
Wow, I remember that, and I also remember going to see the movie more often than most people went to see the Sound of Music. I couldn't believe that someone would actually have the audacity to portray Kissinger so brilliantly.
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
Mena--as of last night, Maxx was stable. He's in hospital still. Not sure when he will be released. 4Legs spent many hours with him, petting him and helping him regain his vision. We haven't seen 4Legs yet; I imagine she's with kitty.
El Gato Negro! sent Maxx kitty power. How much better can you get?
As El Gato Negro would say, so.
the clearest memory my dad has of the cold war is the Cuban Missile Crisis.
He used to go plane spotting at the local airfield and he saw the US planes take off.
He was scared that he'd wake up tomorrow to find the world gone.
Dudley's great. He should be, he just cost me $200!!
This issue isn't about Clinton hatred. It's about Hillary and Holy Joe wasting the public's time. Everything that's going on now, and this is what they choose to start screaming about? Pure asshattery of the highest order.
A line for all seasons:
"Our source was the New York Times."
Blak--has he been sick? I'm glad he's doing all right now, but what happened to the dear boy?
[Strangelove's plan for post-nuclear war survival involves living underground with a 10:1 female-to-male ratio]
General "Buck" Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?
Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.
Ambassador de Sadesky: I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.
"I don't say we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops!...uh, depending on the breaks."
Not that there is anything wrong with porn.
Oh, he's just fine. He's diabetic, so even simple vet visits cost more.
"But if you don't get the President on the phone, you're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola Company."
Because I'm truly frond of this place.
Fern goodness sake. The puns are one reason I'm stamen around. Especially when Eli's involved. He can be such pistil.
"how many times have I told you fellas, I don't want no horsin' around on the airplane?"
He also had to get his 1-2 year distemper shot as well.
General "Buck" Turgidson: Is that the Russian ambassador you're talking about?
President Merkin Muffley: Yes it is, General.
General "Buck" Turgidson: A-A-Am I to understand that the *Russian* ambassador is to be admitted entrance to th-the War Room?
President Merkin Muffley: That is correct, he is here on my orders.
General "Buck" Turgidson: I... I don't know exactly how to put this, sir, but are you aware of what a serious breach of security that would be? I mean, he'll see everything, he'll... he'll see the Big Board!
Speaking of launching a war, there is this quote of MacNamara's from The Fog of War:
"Kennedy was trying to keep us out of war. I was trying to help him keep up out of war. And General Curtis LeMay, whom I served under as a matter of fact in World War II, was saying "'Let's go in, let's totally destroy Cuba. "
LeMay, who killed 100,000 Japanese civilians in one night's bombing, who wanted to drop the bomb on Hanoi.... we came very close to self-destruction.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Do I look all rancid and clotted? You look at me, Jack. Eh? Look, eh? And I drink a lot of water, you know. I'm what you might call a water man, Jack - that's what I am. And I can swear to you, my boy, swear to you, that there's nothing wrong with my bodily fluids. Not a thing, Jackie.
Thanks Sallyh. I feel sure Maxx is going to be okay, but it's good to hear it. Strength and love to 4LG!
Strangelove - I show it to my students every year, to illustrate that politics has never made sense. Remember how spy-happy the 60's were? I was convinced I would grow up to be counterintelligence.
I'm fer tilling you to stop the puns.
Compost yourselves, people.
Uncle Smokes - 1:33 pm
Wood you mind, Uncle? You really ought to have written, "I'm fir telling you..."
But then, I'm a corny guy...
Not that there is anything wrong with porn.
QL: I don't suppose you'd want to share any of your new ideas for quilts, that you might have gotten from that, erm, "wholesome" inspirational material?
Thanks guys! So how is Maxx? I could read about him last night, I just couldn't say anything to 4LG.
mena"
mena: 4lg hasn'r checked in yet today with an update. I'm hoping for the best
Criminal conspiracy anyone? It might be thaat several of them knew andd participated in the leak and in concealing it in such a very clever fashion. There are few things as satisfying as seeing someone who thinks they're so much clverer than everyone else getting caught out. It's satisfying, but only a caper among the ruins.
General "Buck" Turgidson: Hmm... Strangelove? What kind of a name is that? That ain't no Kraut name is it, Stainesey?
Mr. Staines: He changed it when he became a citizen. Used to be Merkwurdichliebe.
[the German word for "Strangelove"]
General "Buck" Turgidson: Well, a Kraut by any other name, uh Stainesey?
Dr Strangelove is a magnificant film.
Sallyh:
Of course, I yearn for you
tragically -- as does, A.T.
Tapmann, Chaplain.
A little Catch 22 reference, for
those keeping score at home.
(Hope I spelled it right).
Have we heard from 4LG?
Is the kitty okay?
"of course, mein fuhr... i mean, mister president"
I think this is the first thread in a whelk that hasn't mentioned Tom Cruise.
President Merkin Muffley: There's nothing to figure out, General Turgidson. This man is obviously a psychotic.
General "Buck" Turgidson: We-he-ell, uh, I'd like to hold off judgement on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in.
President Merkin Muffley: General Turgidson! When you instituted the human reliability tests, you *assured* me there was *no* possibility of such a thing *ever* occurring!
General "Buck" Turgidson: Well, I, uh, don't think it's quite fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip-up, sir.
But then, I'm a corny guy...
Little Brøther | Email | 07.16.05 - 1:46 pm | #
wheat are ya talkin aboot?
(best delivered with a scottish accent)
Here's a particularly nasty and lonely wingnut blooger (sic).
dirkworld.blogspot.com
No one leaves him any comments! Waah!
(Though he claims it's because 'fascist liberals can't handle the truth).
Focus--it's because the trolls got nuthin.'
Sallyh
probably but sheesh!
it occupies half the freeper news and comment boards. no wonder they are so easily pavloved. it is just to bad the conditioning breaks down at their primary directive which is to preserve their chickenshit asses or else we might truly have a volunteer army to wage president puppet's conquest of money and his greater good of...of...of
trolls?
Steve--Maxx seemed stable last night. We're waiting for an update. El Gato Negro! is convinced that Maxx de leon will vive a full, healthy one.
The late great Terry Southern.
One of the true geniuses of the
60s......
Steve S-
Where are you taking me?" he [Chaplain Tappman] asked in a voice soft with timidity and gilt, his gaze still averted. ... "Go on, Chaplain, tell him. Are there atheists in foxholes?"
"I don't know, sir," the chaplain replied. "I've never been in a foxhole."
The office in front swung his head around swiftly with a quarrelsome expressions. "You've never been to heaven either, have you? But you know there's a heaven, don't you?"
A bit OT
Did anyone here Bush's latest promise?
This morning's radio address on his Supreme Court nominee:
My nominee will be a fair-minded individual who represents the mainstream of American law and American values. The nominee will meet the highest standards of intellect, character, and ability, and will pledge to faithfully interpret the Constitution and laws of our country. Our nation deserves, and I will select, a Supreme Court justice that Americans can be proud of.
Yeah, I'm feeling confident about that. /snark
has 4lg dropped in yet for an update on maxx the lion kitty? hopefully kitty is doing better today...
Hey guys, I just talked to the clinic. Maxx is hanging in there, but he can't come home today.
He's still not eating, though he is resting comfortably on his heating pad. His eyes are still quite dialated, but he's following movement and having some pupilar movement.
I, on the other hand, feel like death warmed over. (major headache and bad stomach) I'm going to go back to sleep for a couple hours, then take Maxx some kitty cat chicken soup and some shrimps and see if I can get him to eat something.
Blak--is Dudley pissed at you for dragging him to the vet?
I'm fer tilling you to stop the puns.
...
Wood you mind, Uncle? You really ought to have written, "I'm fir telling you..."
But then, I'm a corny guy...
I was going for the double-super-secret pun of "fertile."
I'm a-maized at your addition, though.
Peas out, Brøther!
More Tappmann from Catch-22:
Chaplain," he asked casually, "of what religious persuasion are you?"
"I'm an Anabaptist, sir."
"That's a pretty suspicious religion, isn't it?"
"Suspicious?" inquired the chaplain in a kind of innocent daze. "Why, sir?"
"Well, I don't know a thing about it. You'll have to admit that, won't you? Doesn't that make it pretty suspicious?"
"I don't know, sir," the chaplain answered diplomatically, with an uneasy manner.
"Chaplain, I once studied Latin. I think it's only fair to warn you of that before I ask my next question. Doesn't the word Anabaptist simply mean that you're not a Baptist?"
"Oh, no, sir. There's much more."
"Are you a Baptist?"
"No, sir."
"Then you are not a Baptist, aren't you?"
"Sir?"
"I don't see why you're bickering with me on that point. You've already admitted it. Now, Chaplain, to say you're not a Baptist doesn't really tell us anything about what you are, does it? You could be anything or anyone." He leaned forward slightly and his manner took on a shrewd and significant air. "You could even be," he added, "Washington Irving, couldn't you?"
El gato negro weighed in on Maxx?
How nice of him.
I think Maxx is gonna be okay too.
4Legs--it's not surprising he's not eating. Usually after surgery, it takes at least a day before cats want to eat again.
Pet him lots. Our cat suffered a stroke, and lots of petting brought her back from the brink. It's good for the CNS (both yours and his).
4legs--it's on the thread Atrios set at 12.24, and is somewhere far down in the comments. El Gato Negro! sends kitty energy his way.
Has anyone picked up the point that, unlike in the US, in the UK it is not illegal for government officials to lie? When the Bush administration hangs it hat on statements made by British officials there is much less credibility there than the other way around. Those British reports about some other source for an Iraq-Africa-uranium connection could very well be simple prevarications.
El gato negro weighed in on Maxx?
Gatogate!
wage president puppet's conquest of money and his greater good of...of...of
Haliburton. On whose Board of Directors he will spend time post-preznitwitcy
Sally, yeah, plus he's in pain and disoriented.
Okay, back to sleep for me.
Simels--didn't Southern originally write porn? If that is in fact true, the irony of his doing one of the best political flicks of all times is hardly ironic
4LG - I *know* that Maxx is going to be okay. He knows you love him, and he loves you too. That's all the reason anyone needs to stay here. So much care and concern and love from everyone here - time to put those four feet up and take care of yourself today.
and will pledge to faithfully interpret the Constitution and laws of our country
....as filtered thru the lens of James Dobson, et.al.
Speaking of SCOTUS, as usual, Katha Pollitt nails the whole why not just let Roe go away to wake up the vast uninvolved right on noggin.
I'm a-maized at your addition, though.
good one. thought i wood have seed that coming.
4lg:
Good luck. Glad Maxx is holding on.
Take care of yourself. Maxx needs his human well.
Try here
El Gato Negro! sends kitty energy his way.
Sallyh
He also made the rather cryptic comment that he thought Maxx would be around longer than he would.
hey flory,
thanks for the trumbil- i have began to story-board the the design and utility...
Good luck. Glad Maxx is holding on.
same here. cats have lots more stamen-a then you might think.
(heh. i'm a pistle.)
a petal often recover a lot faster with extra TLC.
Nah, Dudley doesn't hold grudges. If he doesn't get pissed at me for sticking him with a needle twice a day, he won't care about a trip to the vet.
Besides, the vet is on the next block. I can see the building from my back pantry window.
good one. thought i wood have seed that coming.
Pod on me, but water you getting at?
No moss! Lettuce stop now.
I, on the other hand, feel like death warmed over
Welcome to Motherhood! I became a mother for the first time 19 years ago today! Happy Birthday to my wonderful son!
Dudley sez meow to Maxx.
OK (and OT), how did you people get here?
I don't remember! I think via smirkingchimp.com
Simels--didn't Southern originally write porn? If that is in fact true, the irony of
his doing one of the best political flicks of all times is hardly ironic
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 07.16.05 - 1:57 pm | #
I don't know if that's true or not,
but Southern did write BLUE MOVIE,
a screamingly funny novel about
a hot shot
film director (based on Kubrick)
who makes the first big budget
major star porn movie.
It's still in print and I highly
recommend it.
Pod on me, but water you getting at?
just meant you beet me to it.
ever since tiger and NY M left we've had gravatar malfunction... or did atrios ban a troll IP?
It may affect the grav source...
Gah! That was me, not JG.
Happy Birthday, Spawn of Footloose!
[Wait...that sounds a little too Tolkienish]
flory sorry,
where's my grammer of course i meant "beganned"
ever since tiger and NY M left we've had gravatar malfunction... or did atrios ban a troll IP?
seems to be a polarphase.com problem. servers are running (at http://64.124.231.223/ ) but can;t be found by name. just takes a while for the fix to trickle down the net.
a little too Tolkienish]
Thanx-he digs Tolkien.
George is on my lap at the moment
Heidi and George wish Maxx well and are sending postive kitty vibes your way 4LG!
George is on my lap at the moment
That still won't help his poll numbers.
...oh...sorry...wrong George...
And on that note, taking
a Strangelove break.
See you guys in a bit....
Uncle Smokes,
ewwwwwww!
Moonbootica, Felis Catus -- Whenever I see Cheney I think of Strangelove. He reminds me of all the Sellers characters wrapped up in one.
...didn't Southern originally write porn?
Well, he wrote (with a guy named Mason Hoffenberger) "Candy," which was certainly considered porn back in the day.
Lotsa otherwise famous writers wrote porn in the 50s/60s - it was a quick way to make a buck. Some "names" include Ursula LeGuin and Evan "Ed McBain" Hunter.
...Southern did write BLUE MOVIE,
a screamingly funny novel about
a hot shot
film director (based on Kubrick)
who makes the first big budget
major star porn movie.
Yeah, that book's hilarious. Though when I read it now, I tend to see (a young) Speilberg in my mind instead of Kubrick...
And on that note, taking
a Strangelove break.
i gotta laptop - can do both at the same time
And on that note, taking
a Strangelove break.
"Mein Führer! I can walk!"
We'll meet again
Don't know where
Don't know when...
And on that note, taking
a Strangelove break.
Yeah, I gotta split too to get ready for a strange love break!
Uncle Smokes ~
cs ~ i've never noticed that before but I do now
So, Steve, you haven't seen Kurtzman and Elder's "Goodman Goes Playboy," where they lampooned the Playboy Philosophy using Archie characters? They got their asses sued by Archie Comics and its never been officially reprinted (though alluded to in the "Goodman Beaver" collection printed by Kitchen Sink in the late 80s)...
thnks for the update flg...good thoughts your ways..
Yeah, I gotta split too to get ready for a strange love break!
that's the best kind!
major kong: ain't nobody ever got the go code yet. .... well, boys, i reckon this is it. nuclear combat toe to toe with the ruskies.
) "Candy,"
OMIGOD- I remember hiding that paperback inside my biology book to read during class. At age 13, that was better than the class!
Yeah, I gotta split too to get ready for a strange love break!
Are you going to stop worrying and love the bomb?
I gotta go to.
Later moonbats.
Sallyh - thanks for brunch.
Terry Southern also co-wrote the novel Candy with Mason Hoffenberg. Buck Henry adapted it for the screenplay for the movie. And speaking of the movie -- whatever happened to Ewa Aulin? Yum.
I posted earlier that I'd reached a saturation point with the Rove affair, and am reluctant to torture my overheated brain by trying to keep up with all of the speculations and subplots. It really is like trying to follow the convoluted plot of "The Big Sleep" on the first viewing, especially if one is nicely toasted at the time.
Still, this article by Justin Raimondo caught my attention. It offers a different possibility. Apologies if it's already been shared and discussed.
Are you going to stop worrying and love the bomb?
I honestly used to worry about 1984, but when it came and went...
Oh hell...I just recalled what Woody said....
He reminded us that today is the anniversary of the Trinity test, the first atomic explosion.
Someone at Turner Classic Movies has a dark sense of humor indeed.
And by the way, sorry I missed the "fertile" reference.
I see that it again proves impossible to stem the flow of puns, and I'm not lichen what I'm seeing.
I see I was late with the Candy comment. Damn slow finners....
Footloose - Happy Day to you both!
And have a great afternoon, all!
whatever happened to Ewa Aulin? Yum.
that was her in Monty Python's "Full Frontal Nudity" sketch - running a newstand, I believe. She was also in Start The Revolution without me.
Someone at Turner Classic Movies has a dark sense of humor indeed.
Last night I got home at 2ish and turned on a foreign movie (Wages of Fear) that was so good it kept me up till 3:45 when I finally decided to tape the rest. It was about poor guys driving trucks loaded w/ nitro glycerin. Anyone see it? Really good.
and I'm not lichen what I'm seeing.
sow? if you don' like it, just run a lawn.
I see that it again proves impossible to stem the flow of puns, and I'm not lichen what I'm seeing
Iris I could keep up the puns, but I don't have your stamena.
I find this a pollen.
I have to say, I'm very disappointed that the Brits have forgotten their role, as embodied in Sellers's character, of reining in the crazy Yanks.
Well, you learn something new every day (unless your brain has been trained to screen out all new information - and we know who you are). Via crooksandliars, who were watching The Corporation, comes this little bit of history-not-in-the-texts: a plot by a cabal of millionaire corporatists to overthrow FDR and establish a fascist state back in 1933 and use the media as cover. They were stymied only by General Smedley Butler, whom they tried to recruit to lead the coup, who busted them to Congress. Summary here.
Well thank goodness that could never happen today!
Footloose
Yeah, "Wages of Fear" is a classic.
William Friedkin did a remake in the seventies called "Sorceror" -- a name painted on one of the trucks. It's really good, too -- so of course it bombed at the box office when it was released. Tangerine Dream did a really good soundtrack for it.
I shall also depart and check I have packed everything I need, probaly won't go back here after that so I can get a good nights sleep.
I will see you all in 10 days you will be in my thoughts when I am lounging by the pool
ciao atriots.
ciao atriots.
Ciao bella!
Back to lurk/rant more later...
footloose - yeah I stayed up watching Wages of Fear. I found the cultural environment (especially at the beginning) a bit disorienting, which is always compelling. It just got better and better right through to the last shot. I made a mental note to look up some info on the film.
...whatever happened to Ewa Aulin?
Ewa - Uma. Uma - Ewa.
William Friedkin did a remake in the seventies called "Sorceror" -- a name painted on one of the trucks. It's really good, too -- so of course it bombed at the box office when it was released.
Part of the reason was the name had people thinking it was some sort of sequel/followup to "The Exorcist".
And it's still not fucking out on DVD!
"the media
concensus was that it was a
Commie movie for suggesting that
America could start an
unjustified war."
Steve, actually even though there was corruption those days. I think you had more people who were actually concerned about how they did their jobs. The felt that the USSR, was a real threat. (and it was)
The corruption with the Cold war IMHO mostly lies with Congress who then was entirely too willing to overestimate the threat. They'd use such terms as "missle gap", when the capabilities that the Soviets actually had was a fraction of what was being promoted in congress.
This doesn't deny that on the Soviet side there also were some hard liners, who were beating war drums themselves.
I hear neo-cons beat their chests on how the cold-war never heated up.
I think the stability of that situation was much shakier then anybody now will admit to.
the russian ambassador is about to enter the war room. general turgidnson is not pleased.
Ewa - Uma. Uma - Ewa.
Uma - Ewa - Ava (Gardner)
Uma - Ewa - Ava (Gardner)
- Eva (Gabore)
http://
movies.crooksandliars.com...bs_Bullshit.wmv
hahahaha! priceless.
Huh - the Criterion Collection edition of Wages of Fear is out of print, but their website says they will release a new improved one later this year.
BTW, I learned Linda was played by Clouzot's wife Vera in her first role. (She was later in his films Diabolique and The Spies.) I certainly was impressed by her first appearance scrubbing the floor in that gravity-obeying top.
The late great Terry Southern.
One of the true geniuses of the
60s......
"Blood Of The Wig," sir.. Need I say more?
from LittleBrother's link:
The fast developing scandal seemingly centered around Rove and a few journalists has only begun to unfold. By the time it is over, we'll have the War Party – or, at the very least, a few high profile representatives – in the dock, and then the fun will really begin. So forget "Rove-gate" and get ready for "Cheney-gate." I'll gladly forgo the pleasure of seeing the president's chief political advisor frog-marched out of the White House for the prospect of seeing our vice president, along with his top staffers, led out of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building in handcuffs.
This seems to me like a likely scenario since Rove is not known for foreign policy. However, he he is so well known for dirty tricks, I believe he may have been more involved than Raimondo gives him credit.
Maybe they all thought if they just made it complicated enough, they could get away with it. And they almost did.
It appears that they've motivated the wrong guy, Patrick J. Fitzgerald.
Has the tools both personal & professionaly, to go after these people.
"Thank God for the Bomb"
Ozzy Osbourne
--------------------
Like moths to a flame
Is man never gonna change
Time's seen untold aggression
And infliction of pain
If that's the only thing that's stopping war
Then thank God for the bomb
Thank God for the bomb
Thank God for the bomb
Thank God for the bomb
Nuke ya nuke ya
War is just another game
Tailor made for the insane
But make a threat of their annihilation
And nobody wants to play
If that's the only thing that keeps the peace
Then thank God for the bomb
Thank God for the bomb
Thank God for the bomb
Thank God for the bomb
Nuke ya nuke ya
Today was tommorow yesterday
It's funny how the time can slip away
The face of the doomsday clock
Has launched a thousand wars
As we near the final hour
Time is the only foe we have
When war is obsolete
I'll thank God for war's defeat
But any talk about hell freezing over
Is all said with tongue in cheek
Until the day the war drums beat no more
I'll thank God for the bomb
Thank God for the bomb
Thank God for the bomb
Thank God for the bomb
Nuke ya nuke ya
Who wrote this? And When?
(note, some words blanked out to prevent easy identification of the source)
"I would like to sit down and writeone final blast about the whole damn -------- mess and mention names and details and let the - people see once and for all what rotten corruption, hypocrisy, and madness the whole system was based on!-I would spare no one, including myself."
OK (and OT), how did you people get here? Seriously, how did you first become aware of Eschaton?
after being banned from bart-cop, du, and slate (for, respectively, insubordination, heresy, and profanity/obscenity), i was hunting for someplace with smart people, a tolerant attitude towards heterodoxy, and where invective, obloquy, or disparagement, if conducted with some style, would not be cleansed for the inclusion of some of the choicer obseciities and/or profanities with which effective maledicta are often punctuated...
which wouldn't ban me, in other words, for being me...
and even then, it was a near-run thing, cuz i was banned for a while right at first...but Atrios relented (recognizing i imagine that, while i might have a prickly way of saying it, i was virtually without peer in stating--indeed, overstating--the obvious!!!)..,said skill i have much refined over these last--ummmm, lessee--15 months?
that's my story and i'm stickin to it like little scotty....
They banned WoodyGuthriesGuitar?
Heresy!
I just read the posts below about Judith Miller and, well, I'm just speechless. When, or if, all the truth comes about about the corruption in this administration, it will be worse than anything previously seen by many orders of magnitude. And just like Iran-Contra, no one will much care and the treasonous, anti-American perps will get pardoned, will all get cushy jobs, and some will eventually become "heroes". Hope I'm wrong.
And one more thing-Colin, if you go down, you of all people should have known how these guys operate.
afternoon, freethinkers! company should be here soon, but i'm here to remind all of you who've not yet made up your minds to do so now: come to the eschacon, and tell me, nymary or vicki you are, so we can shore up the hotel stuff.
reps, staff, bloggers, hot scientist babes, possible mummies and mansquitoes, and of course, dancing. miss this singular event at your peril, and that of your liberal moonbat credentials.
woody- you never said you'd been banned so far and wide! cheerio! /shamefacedly/ that honor eludes me, despite my regular jocularity at many fine sites. i'm jealous.
warren- friend, we all share your pain. it's hard to watch an empire die, to see a great dream destroyed, to know that the bright promise of an idea must give way to simple venality and human weakness. yet, it is for the future that we fight. carry on in your heart what those around you reject as they seek only to fill the stomach, and know that history, which the chimp will not escape, will villify those you oppose today, and enshirne your memory, nameless or no, as on the side of that which is right and good, to inspire the future generations to do better.
Hi Yall,
This has got to be the funnest blog, or the scairest I've found so far.
You people actually believe what you say? And to think, my parents actually started up as Democrats as did I. My first voting registration was Dem. I guess back then it might have meant something.
Now, your unending hate of Republicans, and America, led by those two bastions of patriotism Mikey Moore and Al Franken, would be laughable if I didn't know that you actually believe that drivel.
Face it. You tried all the lies last year, and look what the American people handed you:
W's still President, in spite of the fact that he "knew about 911 beforhand"
There is still a majority of Reps in the House and the Senate
W's still President, in spite of the fact that he "started an unjust war for personal and political gain"
Karl Rove ain't going to jail
W's still President in spite of the fact that he "lied to the American people"
Economy's humming along fine
W's still President in spite of the fact the he "gave tax cuts to the Rich"
I would encourage you to encourage your Party leaders to keep on doing and saying what they have been. It's been working great
Club gitmo's nome de jour, says all that need to be said about this person(?).
Club Shitmo: Economy's humming along fine
Hello?
Is there anybody IN there?
Nod if you can hear me!
Is there anybody home?
I think Shitmo is Toby under another name.
He was a great one for the "y'all" shit.
after being banned from bart-cop, du, and slate (for, respectively, insubordination, heresy, and profanity/obscenity),
Woody:
Bart is okay, but once he's convinced he's right, that's it.
Continues to insist Scott Peterson is innocent. Amber Frey was a dumb whore who should have known better but Paris Hilton made that sex tape because she was led astray by some devious male (even though she is well over 1
.
Bart also seems to have a problem with outspoken women (sometimes).
I have nothing against the troops but his rah rah attitude on them grates after awhile.
I got a letter on there yesterday (I guess it's still up).
Well over eighteen
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