I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Well, well.
at the new yawk times you can read a great piece by frank rich and an amazingly stupid one by bobo. was there an op-ed contest this week and prizes went to the best and worst?
Buck Fush and Dick Cheney!
and but of course my dear FUCK BUSH!
or is it Cheney Dick?
So tell me again why the current talking point is that there's nothing to this story?
(Spreading napkin, licking kips . . .)
Follow the Uranium
07/17/05
by Frank Rich
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/1.../17rich.html?
hp
"I am saying that if anyone was involved in that type of activity which I referred to, they would not be working here."
- Ron Ziegler, press secretary to Richard Nixon, defending the presidential aide Dwight Chapin on Oct. 18, 1972. Chapin was convicted in April 1974 of perjury in connection with his relationship to the political saboteur Donald Segretti.
"Any individual who works here at the White House has the confidence of the president. They wouldn't be working here at the White House if they didn't have the president's confidence."
- Scott McClellan, press secretary to George W. Bush, defending Karl Rove on Tuesday.
WELL, of course, Karl Rove did it. He may not have violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, with its high threshold of criminality for outing a covert agent, but there's no doubt he trashed Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame. We know this not only because of Matt Cooper's e-mail, but also because of Mr. Rove's own history. Trashing is in his nature, and bad things happen, usually through under-the-radar whispers, to decent people (and their wives) who get in his way. In the 2000 South Carolina primary, John McCain's wife, Cindy, was rumored to be a drug addict (and Senator McCain was rumored to be mentally unstable). In the 1994 Texas governor's race, Ann Richards found herself rumored to be a lesbian. The implication that Mr. Wilson was a John Kerry-ish girlie man beholden to his wife for his meal ticket is of a thematic piece with previous mud splattered on Rove political adversaries. The difference is that this time Mr. Rove got caught.
Even so, we shouldn't get hung up on him - or on most of the other supposed leading figures in this scandal thus far. Not Matt Cooper or Judy Miller or the Wilsons or the bad guy everyone loves to hate, the former CNN star Robert Novak. This scandal is not about them in the end, any more than Watergate was about Dwight Chapin and Donald Segretti or Woodward and Bernstein. It is about the president of the United States. It is about a plot that was hatched at the top of the administration and in which everyone else, Mr. Rove included, are at most secondary players.
etc.
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Bingo Bango!
On the nose!
"It is about a plot that was hatched at the top of the administration and in which everyone else, Mr. Rove included, are at most secondary players."
Sweet!
Hangin' too good for 'em.
.
Karl will become the sacrificial lamb--his ultimate smear, his swan song, to spin the fantastic tale of a "Bush-hating liberal media out destroy America."
Quentin Compson,
Here, here!
But how does this country face up to it when we have a large, vocal, influential cadre of liars, whose job it is to obfuscate, dissemble, and change the subject?
How do we plow through that formidable heap of offal and get the American people to pay attention?
How?
Hangin' is too good for 'em.
I'll behave, now.
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Sallyh -- How's Mikey?
.
How about some good old American justice:
http://revolution.h-net.msu.edu/
...n.feathers.html
at the new yawk times you can read a great piece by frank rich and an amazingly stupid one by bobo.
That's just the normal order of business in the bizarro times we live in.
You would think that someone at the NYTimes would sit up and say, "jeez, Rich makes so much sense and bobo is an idiot." But no.
Tierney had a spectacularly stupid editorial yesterday too.
How do we plow through that formidable heap of offal and get the American people to pay attention?
How?
If we had an uncorrupted and aggressive media, it would be quite easy. Without that, it's impossible.
And I think the only way that happens is if there's a gigantic media scandal, i.e., evidence that the media has been covering up serious government malfeasance, like the deliberate outing of a CIA agent, or sending us to war on false pretenses.
If it somehow comes out that the media has been covering for the administration on both counts, then maybe, just *maybe*, there's a chance for some sweeping changes.
But I'm not holding my breath.
And then it shows up after all.
Weird.
you know guys, this troll is really just too stupid for you bother your beautiful minds about. Like him saying below that Corn outed Plame first by writing an article two days after Novak. Leave it alone.
" Hangin' too good for 'em."
Ok it would be OK.
I don't care if they are still kicking or dropped a few feet. That's a minor detail.
If it somehow comes out that the media has been covering for the administration on both counts, then maybe, just *maybe*, there's a chance for some sweeping changes.
Hasn't that already come out?
No one pays attention because they've already swallowed the myth of that perfidious "liberal media."
Tierney had a spectacularly stupid editorial yesterday too.
Did you see when the Inside NYTimes strip of links/thumbnails had his previous column captioned as "Tierney: Worse Than Death"?
How?
This time around it is all in the special prosecutor's hands (and Judge Hogan's). The 'press', despite recent sparks, has taken itself out of the president ousting business (not that they really could).
But if Fitzgerald is fired, etc., then the streets become a battlefield of opportunity. (Body armor is much better now days.)
We have a winner!!! SHAW KENAWE!!!
You have asked the most important question in America today.
How do we get rid of the lying, unscrupulous, incompetent, depraved monsters that permeate our government and our media????
Whenever they commit a crime, they either get the government agencies to ignore their transgressions and/or have the media decriminilize their acts by parsing the descripitions of what they did!!!
Hasn't that already come out?
No one pays attention because they've already swallowed the myth of that perfidious "liberal media."
If you're following the liberal blogosphere, yeah. But until some news organization goes rogue and blows the whistle on rest of them, I don't have much hope of it penetrating deep into the public consciousness.
You know, if Rich is right, this may be the first prez to actually be removed from office. W failing again.
If we had an uncorrupted and aggressive media
Any history buffs out there know any explanations of how we got away from the "Yellow journalism" of the turn of the previous century?
What changed?
Are there analogies to the current media set-up that has allowed such a situation to occur again?
Has such journalism always been with us, with brief lapses into sanity and professionalism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Yel...llow_journalism
Judith Miller is covering up her liberal friends who outed Plame as a way to bash Bush
QL,
I shudder to think what W will do to keep from failing at his current "job". I don't think I have sufficient powers to imagine.
"How do we get rid of the lying, unscrupulous, incompetent, depraved monsters that permeate our government and our media????
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Rudy | Email | 07.16.05 - 6:11 pm | # "
bingo, It's the same point as for criminal prosecution at the local level.
If you've got some scofalaws running around, breaking into people's houses, killing folks, and mugging the weak on the streets, a prosecuter needs to do his job applying punishment, to reduce the crime wave. If he doesn't it will continue and even increase.
Criminal behavior in high office is the same. Letting it happen without any consequences, encourages the worst of the thugs to get into office.
What better way to steal & kill?
Really, what reason would Bush have to reveal Plame's identity?
If you're following the liberal blogosphere, yeah. But until some news organization goes rogue and blows the whistle on rest of them, I don't have much hope of it penetrating deep into the public consciousness.
Eli
A few weeks ago I would have agreed. But this thing is taking hold. And try as they might, all they seem to be able to get across is that Rove outed her but. . . And the only thing the people who don't read the blogs, or watch cable are hearing is that Rove outed a secret agent (and remember the cable networks only get about a million viewers). Nothing else is penetrating. Especially since the the slime machine seem to be changing their story every five minutes.
how we got away from the "Yellow journalism" of the turn of the previous century?
"... was referred to as 'yellow journalism'. this was later shortened to 'journalism'"
-Jon Stewart, America - The Book
A few weeks ago I would have agreed. But this thing is taking hold. And try as they might, all they seem to be able to get across is that Rove outed her but. . . And the only thing the people who don't read the blogs, or watch cable are hearing is that Rove outed a secret agent (and remember the cable networks only get about a million viewers). Nothing else is penetrating. Especially since the the slime machine seem to be changing their story every five minutes.
I think the key here is how contained the blast radius of this is. If it takes down Rove and/or Bush but leaves the Republican party and its lapdog media standing, is that going to be sufficient in the long run?
Again, Bush is gone in 2009, regardless. If the GOP can amputate him and save its skin, what have we really won?
Really, what reason would Bush have to reveal Plame's identity?
R.C. Richards | Homepage | 07.16.05 - 6:17 pm | #
hahahahahaha! stop, i can't breathe! hahahahahaha! you are just too damn funny.
Also, the fact that the CIA asked for an investigation means nothing, it's all procedure.
Sen. Sensenbrenner interfered in a Illinois case to demanded the maximum sentence for drug courier convicted in a police corruption trial prosecuted by Fitzgerald's office. He also asked the DOJ to investigate why Fitzgerald's office didn't ask for the maximum sentence.
Maybe someone should ask the Senator if he thinks maximum sentences should be applied in criminal contempt convictions, too.
Also, the fact that the CIA asked for an investigation means nothing, it's all
procedure.
R.C. Richards | Homepage | 07.16.05 - 6:23 pm | #
It's official -- stupidest troll
ever.
Toby, come home -- all is
forgiven.
(Just kidding about that last part)
QL,
ypu are right, this RC troll graduated BOBO LAUDE.
Coincidence? I think NOT... but then, I've had margaritas.
Silleigh | Email | 07.16.05 - 6:25 pm | #
As your attorney, I recommend you
begin drinking heavily.
My bet is Miller is covering up for Rummy who got from Bush - her relationship with the DoD is just off - especially since she was dispensing their talking points or Chalabi's - sheesh! this is going to be so mucking fuch fun!
So, what's the maximum penalty for obstruction of justice?
It's official -- stupidest troll
ever.
i think you are being generous. nothing superilative (sp?) about this one, it's just typically thick and repetative.
i dont think they can amputate bush--theyve put too much effort into branding him and identifying him with their party, and it would cause the more gullible republicans who believed all the bs to go apeshit--kind of like rush did on mehlman for admitting the gop had a southern strategy. and bush is so stupid he might not amputate rove even if it becomes expedient.
The CIA can file complaints without admitting an officer was covert or not. It's procedure.
Fitzgerald is investigating if a covert officer was outed, and if she was not covert, then that means that nobody committed a crime in outing her.
Judith Miller is covering up her liberal friends who outed Plame as a way to bash Bush
Yes, that's it -- its the democrats fault, just like it was the democrats fault that chimpy did not do his military service and did not report to duty.
That bad dan rather did a story that was, all things considered, likely to be accurate.
Poor chimpy, all his life he has only wanted to live the life a spoiled rich and drunken frat boy and everyone else is always picking on him.
It time for everyone else to take "personal responsibility" for the trials and tribulations of our great chimperor!
Also, the fact that the CIA asked for an investigation means nothing, it's all procedure.
Maybe the bedtime stories we told the scared li'l trolls last night didn't help?
So, what's the maximum penalty for obstruction of justice?
I'm pretty sure it's death for Democrats, and lucrative promotion for Republicans.
As your attorney, I recommend you
begin drinking heavily.
steve simels | Email | 07.16.05 - 6:27 pm | #
you are hired. best legal advice i've heard.
{yes i know the reference. just sayin}
Also, the fact that the CIA asked for an investigation means nothing, it's all
procedure.
..The fact they are performing the Hiemlich means nothing. It's just a maneuver.
The CIA can file complaints without admitting an officer was covert or not. It's procedure.
did you hear something? a kind of annoying buzzing sound? never mind, it doesn't matter.
The CIA can file complaints without admitting an officer was covert or not. It's
procedure.
--RC Richards
True enough.
It's also true that I can catch
a fart and paint it green.
i dont think they can amputate bush--theyve put too much effort into branding him and identifying him with their party, and it would cause the more gullible republicans who believed all the bs to go apeshit--kind of like rush did on mehlman for admitting the gop had a southern strategy.
I hope not. And if Bush does go down, or at least gets massively discredited, I hope that the Democrats have the sense to tie him around all their Republican opponents' necks in the congressional races. I bet there are all kinds of great photo-ops of Republican congressmen with El Presidente.
As your attorney, I recommend you
begin drinking heavily.
steve simels
Best. Legal. Advice. Ever.
Really, what reason would Bush have to reveal Plame's identity?
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, to cover for the fact that his administration planned a war with iraq BEFORE 911 and then claimed he "hit the trifecta"
Its amazing the stupid things people will do to prevent themselves from being tried for treason...
Of course, now we are talking about TREASON, WAR CRIMES, AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... maybe chimpy should have just let Mr. Wilson talk...
follow the yellowcake road!
-J.T.
And on that note, I'm off to quaff
elitist chardonnay with my santanic
commie buds.
Behave yourselves in my absence....
shbinga, then you can see my dead grandmother climbing up my leg with a bowie knife in her teeth?
BOBO LAUDE!!!!
I just read an old post by Mark Kleiman. Pay particular attention to his fourth point.
First, there seems to be no doubt that the leak occurred, that some of Bush's top people were responsible, and that Plame was undercover. That means that at least two people close to the President are facing potential ten-year prison sentences.
Second, the source for this story (a "senior Administration official" but not a "top White House official," which probably means either from the CIA or from the Justice Department, more likely the former) refused to identify the two leakers "for the record," which clearly implies that he did identify them off the record. Since the story mentions Joseph Wilson's use of Karl Rove's name, it would be natural for the reporter to have hinted that Rove was not in fact one of the guilty parties, had that been the case. But there is no such hint. Of all the people in the White House, Rove is probably the one Bush can least afford to lose, and the one who gives Bush the least deniability.
Third, the source is clearly prominent enough that any FBI investigation would have to include him. Having told the truth to a reporter, he's not going to lie to the FBI, which itself would be a crime. That means that the leakers are likely to find themselves, in fairly short order, confronting first the FBI and then a grand jury. (Any thought Ashcroft might have had of stifling this just vanished.)
Fourth, the leakers peddled the story to six other journalists, none of whom took the bait, and any of whom might confirm the identity of the leakers.
i'm pretty sure outing Plame was not so much to threaten Wilson, but to threaten someone else who may have even more damning evidence from coming forward.
i dont think they can amputate bush
You might be right, but they have "amputated" free and open elections. Not only are we told that we have no right to verify our electronic vote (much less actually verify that it was counted) but a 2000 SCOTUS decision says that you can't tell who won an election by actually counting the votes!
shbinga, then you can see my dead grandmother climbing up my leg with a bowie knife in her teeth?
no, i can't see her through all the goddam bats!!! blam! blamm! blam!
Have some ether.
but to threaten someone else who may have even more damning evidence from coming forward.
ding ding ding! WE HAVE A WINNER!
intimidation has been a hallmark of this administration. study the patterns and follow the money, you will almost always be right. but not necessarily popular.
It's also true that I can catch
a fart and paint it green.
Big deal, turd blossom can take a bunch of draft dodgers and an AWOL cokehead and turn then into the leaders of the free world.
thanks, uncle. {sniff}
much better now.
I have nothing but contempt for the Bush regime.
And I refuse to be CIVIL because their actions are CRIMINAL!
Fitzgerald is investigating if a covert officer was outed, and if she was not covert, then that means that nobody committed a crime in outing her.
R.C. Richards
Right.
And Chimpy is an intelligent, heroic war preznit.
TrAnn Coulter, Rush Limpdick and Handjob Hannity are genuine, legitimate journalists.
Jeffraham--Mikey is hot and sleepy. I don't think he likes his fluffy fur coat so much in this weather.
And how's my boy Curly? Did he help mow the landlord's lawn?
John tomato--I was just thinking that a French vanilla poundcake would be delightful for this evening's dessert...it's a nice golden color.
Life is unlikely, but not out of the question.
If TalkLeft is correct, and Miller is found guilty of contempt, she will likely be sentenced in accordance with the guidelines for obstruction of justice.
At first glance, the guidelines would give her an offense level of 14-17. (Anyone know what that translates to in years?)
But it's also possible that she could be sentenced as an accessory after the fact, to whatever Fitzgerald is trying to charge the leaker with.
If, as Billmon noted, that charge is espionage, the sentence for being an accessory to espionage could well be life.
That's not likely, but I hope Miller's at least thinking about the possibility.
Did you see when the Inside NYTimes strip of links/thumbnails had his previous column captioned as "Tierney: Worse Than Death"?
I believe forcing detainees to listen to Tierney editorials is an approved interrogation technique at Gitmo.
"Noooo! Can't you just leave me shackled in a fetal position for a day or two?"
More legal advice (sarcasm intended)
The only defense at this point for this Administration is concealment, flight or self-destruction.
Sorry, sarcasm was the wrong word. I was trying to be funny, and meant it was not to be taken seriously. My point was, they are sinking fast and running out of justifiable defenses.
Watched "All the president's Men" again tonight with cous...
"It's the entire Intelligence Community..."
"Follow the Money"
"He resigend to spend time with his family..."
This is not about one person. It was not in Nixon's day eother.
Fitzgerald is about to paint a broad brush.
K Street's going down, the MIC, and the neocon war cabal and its OPEC enablers.
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