I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I hate Bobo's world.
Nice thing to wake up to.
What kind of day care center has a twenty five year old male as director?
sounds like growing up with the Bushes.
The former director of the day care centers, Joshua Palin, 25, has been charged with molesting 10 children, some of them during what investigators said were twisted games of Truth or Dare. He is the son of the affiliated church's pastor.
Well, of course he is.
Jesus.
You can pick your freinds...
you can pick your nose...
but you can't pick your freind's nose.
Unless the day-care employees force you to, I guess.
Unfortunately, you know this will be more fodder for the Dr. Laura "don't have them unless you're willing to raise them 24/7" crowd who hate day care anyway.
What kind of day care center has a twenty five year old male as director?
Sweet Sue
One that's faith-based!
Pastor's son molesting children?
Just goes to show that a christian upbringing is probably the worst thing you can do to a child.
MYOB'
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What kind of day care center has a twenty five year old male as director?
Sweet Sue
One that's faith-based!
As in, Please God let me survive this hell?
As in, Please God let me survive this hell?
More like, "we have faith that you won't molest the children TOO badly..."
Picking each other's noses...what would Jesus say?
Since they took Howard Stern off the air in Florida, I guess the Day Care Center Director has run out of fun ideas for the kids to do.
It is Big Dog's fault, ya know!
A third employee, Claudia Foster, was accused in the DCF report of making children eat worms, smell each other's feet and pick each other's noses during Truth or Dare.
Assistant State Attorney Rebecca Zima said she does not intend to prosecute Foster on those allegations, saying the actions did not rise to the level of criminal conduct. There was no answer Friday at Foster's telephone number.
yeah, nothing criminal about making kids eat worms. all in a day's work at the Christian day care center.
feed these fuckers to the Sharks, and televise it live.
I don't know, this one has the air of one of those 80's mass-psychosis witch hunts about it.
The "They made us eat worms, and pick each other's noses, and they molested us, too!" thing just sounds...off. The first two sound like something a child would make up if they were encouraged to tell a "gross" story, and that makes the last part feel like it was tacked on by interrogators.
Especially since these kids have parents who send them to Christian day care. How crazy do those parents have to be? If they can believe in sea monsters and the Flood despite all evidence, they can certainly believe in day care directors who go bump in the night.
Notice things like this always seem to happen in red states?
This is ... what words are there? I hate these people, and that's not a good feeling to have. I should pity them, but they want to run my life, and I can't pity them.
Does Bobo know about this feature?
all in a day's work at the Christian day care center.
I'm waiting to hear about kids having to nail each other to crosses.
and on that note, a full morning/afternoon of errands awaits.
I want to see how this plays out. There have been other accusations about day cares in the south that I suspect was more a result of the heated fantasies of a prosecutor that of what actually happened. That said, there's no reason to believe that Bobo's World isn't the new Sodom and Gemorrah.
Unfortunately, you know this will be more fodder for the Dr. Laura "don't have them unless you're willing to raise them 24/7" crowd who hate day care anyway.
Pere Ubu
Only if you are white and middle class. All the rest of the lazy good for nothings need to go out and work and where they put their kids is nobody's business. Certainly not the state's, unless the kids die suffocating in a car because you can't afford day care. Or are left unattended for long stretches because your babysitter crapped out on you and your boss at your minimum wage job told you you would be fired if you missed one more day. Fucking wankers.
Yeah, well, at least Murka isn't the stupidest nation in the world.
Canada is. /snark
"Or are left unattended for long stretches because your babysitter crapped out on you and your boss at your minimum wage job told you you would be fired if you."
Murika, highest standard of living in the world.
A third employee, Claudia Foster, was accused in the DCF report of making children eat worms, smell each other's feet and pick each other's noses during Truth or Dare.
Nothing to worry about. This is standard chimp grooming behavior.
Let's please give these people the smallest benefit of the doubt. I was a young teenager in Los Angeles when the "McMartin Preschool" scandal started. Check wikipedia if you don't know the whole story.
Raymond Buckey and his mother spent years in jail and on trial because investigators were over zealous. I don't believe there was a single conviction after 2 mistrials and almost 10 years of legal battles.
If these new accusations are true, string them up, but let's not pre-judge them based on the alledged crimes.
Unfortunately, you know this will be more fodder for the Dr. Laura "don't have them unless you're willing to raise them 24/7" crowd who hate day care anyway.
Yet red-state parents who work 2 to 5 jobs between them in order to survive continue to vote Republican and think Rick Santorum is a genius. Go figure.
not to sound like I am judging anyone, but this child-care provider sounds like one of chimpy's "values voters" to me
SCOTT PETERSON!
WACKO JACKO!
MISSING HICK CHICK IN ARUBA!
SHARKS!
HARRY POTTER!
HURRICANES!
HEY! JUDE LAW BONED A BIG BONED NANNY!
CHICK LACROSSE TEAM FLIP-FLOP WH PHOTO-OP!
SCOTTY BEAMED UP TO MEET JEEBUS!
HOT TOWNE SUMMER IN THE CITY!
Unfortunately, you know this will be more fodder for the Dr. Laura "don't have them unless you're willing to raise them 24/7" crowd who hate day care anyway.
Pere Ubu
accordin' to world o' crap, dr. slutinger is gonna have her own one woman stage show. knew y'all would be happy to hear that.
Pretty disgusting.
Sorry to bust folks bubbles, but having studied the day care witch hunt of the 80s, this doesn't sound entirely on the level. In most real abuse cases, the molester separates out a vulnerable child from the herd (multiple times perhaps), not performing sex shows in front of a group of kids. Having multiple adults involved in the sex acts and multiple kids as witnesses is another red flag that we might be seeing a witch hunt.
Yes, there are caretakers who abuse the children in their charge. They should be locked away forever. But there are also a great many innocent activities that could trigger all sorts of suspicions in someone with a bent mind. And children are so eager to please adults in a position of authority that questioning them about these matters must be done very carefully. It IS possible to convince a child that they were abused when nothing happened. Read No Crueler Tyrannies by Dorothy Rabinowitz.
I hope to hell for the kid's sakes that the investigators didn't screw this one up.
All the rest of the lazy good for nothings need to go out and work and where they put their kids is nobody's business.
So, according to Laura the Unloved, proles shouldn't breed unless they're willing to spend every waking moment (and then some) with their offspring, yet they are also simultaneously required to go out and work instead of being laze parasites leeching off the poor harried taxpayer... when there's not a min-wage job to be found that will provide day care, and a job that will either provide on-site day care or enable a parent to pay for such wouldn't be hiring a mere prole anyway.
Heads I win, tails you lose. Motto of the Repugs.
SCOTT PETERSON!
WACKO JACKO!
MISSING HICK CHICK IN ARUBA!
SHARKS!
HARRY POTTER!
HURRICANES!
HEY! JUDE LAW BONED A BIG BONED NANNY!
CHICK LACROSSE TEAM FLIP-FLOP WH PHOTO-OP!
SCOTTY BEAMED UP TO MEET JEEBUS!
HOT TOWNE SUMMER IN THE CITY!
fuck! fuck! fuckity, fuckity, fuck, fuck! don'cha just hate it when ya fergit to close a tag?
What kind of day care center has a twenty five year old male as director?
Sweet Sue | 07.23.05 - 10:49 am | #
No disrespect meant -- but WOW, if I made a comment about a woman being inaappropriate for any given job (with or without the age thing), I am sure most here would be offended.
I respect your right to post it -- but I'm just saying...
...if I made a comment about a woman being inaappropriate for any given job (with or without the age thing).
Sorry, the age thing is key... try again.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, what part of the human anatomy would jesus put in his mouth?
the local fishwrap has the story here.
these are additional charges. he was arrested on the 18th for statutory rape. this guy is a monster, and a perfect addition to Bobo's world.
Christian crakers, they are the worst.
Notice things like this always seem to happen in red states?
queen crab
Someone once said that if Florida and Alabama (to mention only two) didn't exist Jerry Springer couldn't do a show.
I don't know if it is true but after the clergy sex abuse revelations that we are sure of I'd say that it's ill advised to put a child in the hands of unsupervised "faith based" child care.
Yet red-state parents who work 2 to 5 jobs between them in order to survive continue to vote Republican and think Rick Santorum is a genius. Go figure
What the fuck is up with that? What's wrong with these people? I swear to Jebuz I'm beginning to think it's tv. The opium of the masses. As long as they can come home from their second crap job and watch Jessica Simpson's tits on tv and a football game with beer commercials, they'll just keep running faster and faster on that hamster wheel.
I just read Dian'e link. Guess who won *Stupidest Man of the Year*?
No, not him.
That's what you get for believing in God.
Sorry, the age thing is key... try again.
Sorry, respectfully disagree -- would we say that a 25 year old woman cannot run a day care center? It happens all the time.
No, the age is not the issue I am talking about and I don't see it as the "key"
But feel free to disagree...
" Notice things like this always seem to happen in red states?"
a.k.a. BoBo's World
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I'm beginning to think it's tv.
It's tv. That and DVD movies and computer games. And booze.
One of the worst aspects of contemporary life is how disconnected people seem to be from their own children. They don't seem to spend much time with them except when they can ignore them.
The "They made us eat worms, and pick each other's noses, and they molested us, too!" thing just sounds...off. The first two sound like something a child would make up if they were encouraged to tell a "gross" story, and that makes the last part feel like it was tacked on by interrogators.
This was my first thought also.
You may find solace in the fact that at least Janet fucking Reno isn't DA down there anymore, so if there's something fishy about it the accused might actually walk free instead of being framed for the carrer purposes of the DA.
No, not him.
pie
I almost fell off my chair with that award myself!
Here's the the link again.
Hecate, have you read What's the Matter With Kansas? Thomas Frank does an excellent job explaining the phenomenon in which people are duped into voting against their own interests. I think this book is destined to become a classic.
Must be all those libruls down in Florida.
- pwax from Massachusetts
Yeah, well, at least Murka isn't the stupidest nation in the world.
Canada is. /snark
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
In! Your! FACE!
Number 1, baby!
WAAAAHOOOHOOOHOOO!!!!!
Anonymous - Assuming you are not a troll. Anyone in law enforcement will tell you that the pedophiles go where the kids are. Anyone, and I mean anyone, from the soccer coach to the day care giver is suspect. It is also unfortunately true that it is mainly men who molest children. Just aren't that many women molesters. And don't start dragging out the one or two that there are. I know they exist, but the vast majority of people interested in kiddie porn or child molestation are male.
the accused might actually walk free instead of being framed for the carrer purposes of the DA
Yeah, that Janet Reno, migod, worse than Hitler and all that.
Don't seem to recall where she wrote Clinton excuses for legalizing torture as a military intelligence-gathering tactic, though. Or spending public money covering up *gasp* BOOBIES! Or tracking private medical records of women who may have had abortions. Or rounding up brown people en masse and disappearing them off to lovely bastions of human rights like Egypt and Syria.
But yeah, thank god Reno's gone. It's Morning In America!
God, the trolls are stupid.
Fucking losers.
this book (Whats the Matter With Kansas>) is destined to become a classic.
queen crab
Wholeheartedly agree - did you see the threads below? Someone posted that NPR did a feature on What's Right About Kansus
Guess some 80 year old woman can whistle and there are hikers
I am not sure, however, that this book will ever be required reading in schools.
It is a grate analysis of our times -- but it is really about so much more than kansas.
One of the worst aspects of contemporary life is how disconnected people seem to be from their own children. They don't seem to spend much time with them except when they can ignore them.
EPT
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
They are tired. When I taught in the inner city almost every family (when there was a family) was holding down 3 jobs and just barely making ends meet. How much would you want to parent after putting in a full day's work at one job, and four hours at another. Hourly workers generally don't get paid sick leave or vacations. So just get up and do your twelve hours, plus commuting time, 52 weeks a year, year after year after year.
I will bitch slap the first person I hear say 'God has a reason for everything that happens on the earth'
Anon, you are fucked up. Go bother the freepers, they're almost as stupid as you are. What an asshole.
The Canada is stupidest thing is just a joke of the kind a secure nation can tell on itself. Unlike the United States (stupidest rich people in the history of the world) they don't have to constantly pat themselves on the back and INSIST that everyone else in the world do the same.
Why doesn't Jebby butt in on this investigation? Is he afraid to offend his faith-based base?
Its a shame we all can't turn out as beautifully as the Christian super moralists and fake TV News Puritans' basic storyline would pretend.
Take perfect person Pat Bushanan and his semi-lovely sister Bayh, for example. Pat and Bayh's rigidly judgemental 'tude and hard, mean faces certainly suggest a perfect verbal and sexual abuse free 50's upbringing, not.
It is the various liberation movements that have shown a light on ancient patriarchic traditions that fostered generational abuse for so many of us.
I'm always leery of lurid media reports on certain individual cases of abuse...these reports often seem more a vicarious reading or listening thrill for other perves.
No matter the tremendous progress toward ending this ancient scourge, the abuse of children, teens and even adults continues and is even abetted by our peverse pop culture.
One of the worst aspects of contemporary life is how disconnected people seem to be from their own children. They don't seem to spend much time with them except when they can ignore them.
Its a family "values voter" and "culture of life" thing
Frontliine on PBS did a program about the mass hysteria of child molestations. And Janet Reno was at the forefront of the whole ugly thing. Having kids taken away, imprisoning parents, destroying lives...all on evidence which was flimsy at best...non-existant, made-up, force-fed to the children at worst.
Must be all those libruls down in Florida.
more than 3million people (3,574,509) in Florida voted for John Kerry. Massachusett's voters for Kerry: 1,793,916
I guess that makes us more than twice as liberal, eh?
Why doesn't Jebby butt in on this investigation? Is he afraid to offend his faith-based base?
He certainly seemed to have enough time on his hands and *concern* for Terri Schiavo.
I know they exist, but the vast majority of people interested in kiddie porn or child molestation are male.
WELL LETS FIRE ALL THE MEN IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS
Might as well go up to middle and high schools too -- after all, thats WOMENS WORK!
sean
I stopped watching commercial tv when it began to see that every fucking show had a woman in distress, usually being stalked or beat by a hubby.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick, the Clenis™ made me do it! Honest!
It is a grate analysis
Anonymous
Kind of like your posts. Especially the grating part.
I think the Reno reference, trollish as it was, is appropriate since I recall that she was involved in one of these day care/child abuse prosecutions. Don't know which one or how it turned out.
queen crab,
I read it, but to my mind, it doesn't explain WHY people buy into that crap. What I'm looking for is some root cause that makes what would otherwise appear to be rational adults think that criminalizing abortion is good but protecting their drinking water or ensuring that they make a minimum wage and have a pension is bad. What's Wrong With Kansas explained to me that they think this way, but not really why they think this way. My best guess is tv, the modern form of bread and circuses, only without the bread.
QL in NY, that's a lot of it. A lot of it gets back to the fact that forty years ago you could support a family on one salary and today you can't. Real wages have stagnated. People are kept ignorant enough so they can't even act in their own interests, nevermind looking past that to what is best for everyone. And there is the residue of McCarthyism, politics are dirty, the world is against us (see above),...
It's not going to be pretty when the real estate market bubble pops. Which it will.
That said, a lot of wealthy people seem to dislike their children too unless they are model little achievers. That's one thing you can't fault Babbs and Poppy for. You think they've noticed the difference in quality between Bill Clinton and their own band of thieves and putschists?
So just get up and do your twelve hours, plus commuting time, 52 weeks a year, year after year after year.
Good points -- that "circle of blame" game isn't going to solve this one.
IMHO, its the economic system where we proclaim we value this and that, but aren't willing to pay for ti that is the problem.
But I could be wrong, I often am...
Why do these people always live in Florida? I swear!!! Every time I read about children being molested or raped or killed it is my own state-I get so sick of it. There is something seriously wrong here but damned if I can figure it out.
Kind of like your posts. Especially the grating part.
Thanks for being my spell-checker/proofreader. I need to keep you around!
The Canada is stupidest thing is just a joke of the kind a secure nation can tell on itself. Unlike the United States (stupidest rich people in the history of the world) they don't have to constantly pat themselves on the back and INSIST that everyone else in the world do the same.
EPT
Exactly! That's why I enjoyed the article so much. That and the award of dumbest man.
Anonymous | 07.23.05 - 11:19 am | #
"Anonymous," you have some interesting postings. Why don't you pick a handle? It's not like it will blow your cover....
Just sayin'.
Bobo's world is a truly depraved world. Brooksie should be ashamed of what he has created (and maybe be forced to live in his creation)
That and the award of dumbest man.
Diane
So deserving. But how did they only choose one? They should ask Clairol to fund a statuette.
Who among us doesn't love playing Truth or Dare with toddlers?
I think that when the revolutions starts (and believe me there will be one) it's going to start in Florida. All the races will just rise up and begin killing each other. People in gated communities will pick off passersby for the hell of it. The whole nightmare scenario will play out.
Don't seem to recall where she wrote Clinton excuses for legalizing torture as a military intelligence-gathering tactic, though.
So putting innocent people away for life is OK as long as the Bushies are worse?
Looks like the "but Saddam did worse" defense, and is equally repugnant.
And the Frank Furster case (where his young wife was tortured by being held naked in a isolation cell until she testified against him) wasn't the only case where she framed innocent people in these witchhunt trials.
I know Sully said he was too polite to ask (go figure)
BUT, Why don't Pat Buchanan and his wife have kids?
As a loudmouth Catholic, is it 'cause he's in Opuss Day or shootin' blanks? And I thought the Sister's name Was BRAY Buchanan...
I think that when the revolutions starts (and believe me there will be one) it's going to start in Florida. All the races will just rise up and begin killing each other. People in gated communities will pick off passersby for the hell of it. The whole nightmare scenario will play out.
Helter Skelter!
I didn't know Manson had interwebnet access.
Thanks for being my spell-checker/proofreader.
It wasn't your spelling I was trying to correct...
That said, a lot of wealthy people seem to dislike their children too unless they are model little achievers. That's one thing you can't fault Babbs and Poppy for. You think they've noticed the difference in quality between Bill Clinton and their own band of thieves and putschists?
Hahahahahahha. God bless the family values crowd!
I stopped watching commercial tv when it began to see that every fucking show had a woman in distress, usually being stalked or beat by a hubby.
Ah, you've been watching the Lifetime Channel or, as I like to call it, the "All women are victims, all men are evil scum" channel.
Please explain why we refer to this as "Bobo's World"
Speaking of child abuse -- and since Bush won't let see the latest (and worst) Abu Ghraib pictures --
From July, 2004: Artist's Renderings of US personnel at Abu Ghraib beating an eight-year-old girl.
I blame Grand Theft Auto.
Please explain why we refer to this as "Bobo's World"
Because David Brooks (aka Bobo) sodomizes, er...sermonizes on a regular basis about the inherent superiority of red states and other pockets of wholesome Christian goodness.
Joe:
"Bobo" is David Brooks, conservative NYT columnist who first made his bones at Rupert Murdoch's The Weekly Standard. He routinely talks up the virtues of institutionalized small-town bigotry and sexism, yet has never shown the slightest indication of wanting to leave New York City to live in any of the rural paradises he touts.
I will bitch slap the first person I hear say 'God has a reason for everything that happens on the earth'
desi
When my mom died I said that I would punch anybody who dared utter those words right in the face.
Oh my god--Have y'all heard about the Raging Grannies? I love these people!
A group of anti-war senior citizens calling themselves the "Tucson Raging Grannies" say they want to enlist in the U.S. Army and go to Iraq so that their children and grandchildren can come home.
Five members of the group -- which is associated with the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom -- are due in court Monday to face trespassing charges after trying to enlist at a military recruitment center last week.
if convicted his feeding tube will be pulled in prison. no one does harder time than a child abuser/kiddie rapist.
not too difficult to connect the dots.
-J.T.
I think we should wait for solid, supported evidence. I remember a child care center case in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (in Canda) where a man, his wife, their son and eight others were tried and convicted of child abuse (including sexual, physical, and such things as having the children partake in satanic rituals - including human sacrifice).
None of it was true. And just recently the man, after 17 years of court hearings, has had the verdicts overturned - but his wife died years ago and his life and those of all the others have been destroyed.
So my only word here is caution.
First real question: were the children molested? Have they been examined by a physician who specializes in recognizing sexual abuse in children?
Second real question: are there health and safety violations in the day care center that can be documented? I understand Florida's standards are low, but there has to be some sort of operating criteria.
Third real question: has this story been sensationalized in order to hammer the message that day care is a terrible place and that the only appropriate place for a mother is at home and unemployed?
My main reason for asking these questions is a) remembering the McMartin case and b) the current focus on driving women from the workforce.
bcf
some people can't catch a good joke with a butterfly net.
-J.T.
Frontliine on PBS did a program about the mass hysteria of child molestations. And Janet Reno was at the forefront of the whole ugly thing. Having kids taken away, imprisoning parents, destroying lives...all on evidence which was flimsy at best...non-existant, made-up, force-fed to the children at worst.
Reno should suffer for her crimes:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/fr...tc/
other.html#4
Helter Skelter!
I didn't know Manson had interwebnet access.
Felix Deutsch
It would be John Lennon actually.
And that would involve resurrection which would be really cool.
So putting innocent people away for life is OK as long as the Bushies are worse?
I'm no defender of Janet Reno, but what she did was piddly-pshitt compared to the wholesale world-wide violations of human rights that Bush, Ashcroft and Gonzales have been reponsible for.
So putting innocent people away for life is OK as long as the Bushies are worse?
I'm no defender of Janet Reno, but what she did was piddly-pshitt compared to the wholesale world-wide violations of human rights that Bush, Ashcroft and Gonzales have been reponsible for.
Sallyh and Chuck--
Very good points. The 80s saw a rash of these "Satanic daycare" things, and every last one of the accused has been exonerated, with their lives ruined in the meantime...
Five members of the group -- which is associated with the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom -- are due in court Monday to face trespassing charges after trying to enlist at a military recruitment center last week.
rorschach | Email | Homepage | 07.23.05 - 11:39 am | #
It's a goddamn shame when grandmothers have to fill the shoes of the Yellow Elephants.
Anonymous - Assuming you are not a troll. Anyone in law enforcement will tell you that the pedophiles go where the kids are. Anyone, and I mean anyone, from the soccer coach to the day care giver is suspect. It is also unfortunately true that it is mainly men who molest children. Just aren't that many women molesters. And don't start dragging out the one or two that there are. I know they exist, but the vast majority of people interested in kiddie porn or child molestation are male.
QL in NY
Childcare work also tends to be very low-paying, time-intensive, patience-testing work, and I don't realistically know why any normal ambitious 25-year old man would choose a job like that unless he was a complete sadistic perv who wanted easy unfettered access to kids - kinda like Joshua Palin, apparently.
Quel coinkydink.
I suppose there is the exception and that there may be a dedicated young man who genuinely wants that type of a job. Fine, but give them the appropriate background checks - because this daycare was "faith-based" and the dude happened to be the pastor's son, it's dubious whether they followed that protocol to ensure he was qualified and psychologically sound enough to take care of young children.
Several cartoons about Bush
Bobo's world: more fun that eating dinner with cannibals who are short one pot roast.
Now that it's been pointed out...yeah, there's a lot of shadiness in this story. Children's testimony in these cases has been shown to be very unreliable, as the interviewer can easily manipulate the child to get the desired effect. And innocent people do have their lives ruined as a result.
Lime Rickey--
I know! And--Trespassing charges!
Oh my god--Have y'all heard about the Raging Grannies? I love these people!
Now the Yellow Elephants will be able to say that they wanted to serve, but too many elderly women had taken their slots...
Very good points. The 80s saw a rash of these "Satanic daycare" things, and every last one of the accused has been exonerated, with their lives ruined in the meantime...
Frank Fuster, one of Reno's victims, is still serving a life sentence.
Speaking of the Tucson grannies...here is their picture and story!
Five members of the group -- which is associated with the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom -- are due in court Monday to face trespassing charges after trying to enlist at a military recruitment center last week.
Those women totally rock. More like this!!!
This has the air of our state's 1984 Wenatchee day care ritial abuse scandal about it.
I'm no defender of Janet Reno
So what IS it that you're doing here?
but what she did was piddly-pshitt compared to the wholesale world-wide violations of human rights that Bush, Ashcroft and Gonzales have been reponsible for.
Still hanging yourself with your moral relativism. "X did worse" doesn't cut it.
I thought we cleared that up already?
I come down on the side of Sallyh, chuck and others who had the "evil day care center" warning lights go off. Is it possible? Absolutely. Does it feel a little hinky? As someone who lived in LA during the McMartin fiasco, it sure does. But check carefully so we know for sure; guy hardly needs a free pass.
And I will defend Janet Reno somewhat here--she was very aggressive and thus probably not careful about child abuse and child molestation cases. It was stories about molestation at Waco that made her pursue the case there, even though she'd originally thought she shouldn't. Should've followed her first instinct, prolly, and pulled the fibbies out.
Don't these fundies know this is a violation of Natural Law?
You can pick your friends.
You can pick your nose.
But you can't pick your friends' nose.
Reno was State Attorney for S. Florida. You can call us a red state if you want to but, Dade and Broward are the big blue areas in the state.
There's a big cultural difference between south, central and northern FL. Tallahassee cares not one whit for south FL and would disown us if they could. Like most blue areas of the country we in south FL contribute more in taxes than services received. This red state/blue state thing is just another excuse to divide us. Don't have the picture from the last election handy,(the one that showed we're all purple to an extent) every state has their blue and red spots. Blue spots usually connoting the urban/ metropolitan ( read; sane) areas.
re: Reno. Yes she was involved in an over blown day care case like most other District Attorney types (elected) at the time ('80s). She was also instrumental in some of the dead beat dad prosecution/legislation that lead the way nationally. She also saved poor little Elian from a life as a political pawn of the crazy right wing cubans around here.
And for that I will be eternally grateful.
Ruviana--I agree that no one should get a pass on this one. I feel the center should be fully checked out for violations, the children should be examined throughly by someone who specializes in pediatric sexual abuse, that the backgrounds of the employers and employees that work there fully scrutinized for proper training, education, certification, and criminal records, and that the attitudes of the operators and critics should be questioned as to their motivations. That's hardly giving anyone a pass in the situation.
I'm just not eager to rush to judgment on this.
Has anyone here seen "Capturing the Friedmans"?
Drunkee is correct. Children are not all that reliable as witnesses. Come to think of it, adult witnesses aren't always reliable. The brain can trick itself into seeing what's not there.
WalterNeff
Yes, I have seen "Capturing the Friedmans." A depressing movie, but very good at showing the entire story of that mess. I walked away feeling sorry for every member of that family, except the Dad.
i'd love to know if faith ministries is on the receiving end of federal dollars.
Frankly, right now I am more concerned about this constitutional crisis. When a judge hands down a lawful order, since when can you just say no?
The Tuscon Grannies story deserves to be spread far and wide. I deeply admire them.
-- Stu
re: Reno. Yes she was involved in an over blown day care case like most other District Attorney types (elected) at the time ('80s).
Exactly the point I was trying to make -- Janet Reno was not the evil mastermind behind the daycare paranoia of the 80's; she exploited it, yes, but then again so did many people who are equally as guilty for the lives they ruined.
Bush, Ashcroft and Gonzalez on the other hand, have taken the U.S. from a model of human rights (at least in theory) to a rogue state willing to wage pre-emptive war and use torture, while denouncing others for the same.
Speaking of the Tucson grannies...here is their picture and story!
Elaine Supkis
I say send 'em over. When the insurgents see those women the insurgents will all head for the hills screaming!
When a judge hands down a lawful order, since when can you just say no?
when you're Emperor Bush I of the Known World.
When a judge hands down a lawful order, since when can you just say no?
when you're Emperor Bush I of the Known World.
Stinky--I've had the opportunity in my career to speak to a number of young men who love kids and would like to work with them, but are driven away from it by the lack of pay, benefits, and relief.
My sister in law ran several day care centers in the 80s and 90s. She had several terrific male candidates who passed the mandatory background check for ALL of the potential employees she was considering, but was told by parents that they would not tolerate a male caretaker/teacher.
Sexism. It's alive and kicking.
Dunkie's World
"The family of a Marine who was killed in Iraq is furious with Lt. Gov. Catherine Baker Knoll for showing up uninvited at his funeral this week, handing out her business card and then saying "our government" is against the war."
Indeed.
i'm waiting for Santorum to come out and denounce the liberal culture in Florida that allowed this to happen....
I think the Tuscon Grannies should wage a psyops campaign by rolling through the insurgent areas, with big megaphones on their humvees, and just telling stories about growing up during the Depression. And how much apples used to cost. And how rude the grocery clerks are. And how the bus drivers used to wear uniforms. Mission accomplished.
Deutch bag,
I don't recall anyone else in Washington ever stand up and take responsibility for their actions like Reno did.
Whatsa matter? Lost your religion in Waco?
If we had an A.G. like her in Washington now, chimp would already be impeached and his minions jailed.
Asscroft and Abu Gonzalez couldn't carry her sports bra!
QL--I was under the impression that obedience to law was one of the things that maintained our nation as a democracy, but these days, all bets seem to be off.
Digby had a post on the Janet Reno thing at
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
2...og_archive.html
QL--
This administration has been ignoring judicial and congressional directives for a long, long time.
Then you have those that are stupid enough to videotape their crimes...
From the "What's the matter with Kansas? chapter of Bobo's world.
Arlan and Linda Kaufman are the husband-wife team that prosecutors say enslaved two people for 14 years, forced other mentally ill individuals to work on their farm in the nude, and defrauded the federal Medicare program.
The most graphic descriptions of alleged misconduct at the Kaufman facilities is contained in 34 videotapes seized from the couple's home in 2001.
The summaries say the tapes include footage of Mr. Kaufman urging patients to masturbate in front of other patients; him instructing patients to shave the pubic hair of clients of the opposite sex; him touching patients' genitalia; and patients hula-hooping in the nude.
bkny--I'd bet that they are.
I live in a Dem enclave within Bobo's World. Specifically, a 90% black neighborhood (I'm white) in NW Atlanta.
I've never had the slightest trouble with my black neighbors (bureaucrats are another story). The only unpleasant incident I've had was with white cops; they harrassed me for what was I doing in this neighborhood. Stealing? Buying drugs? Why are you here?
I say send 'em over. When the insurgents see those women the insurgents will all head for the hills screaming!
Agent Orange
I mean, think about it objectively. Who among us has EVER won a fight with a grandmother?
Nobody.
Drunkee--hey, Ahnuld was scared enough of the Raging Grannies that he had the National Guard investigate them.
If we had an A.G. like her in Washington now, chimp would already be impeached and his minions jailed.
Asscroft and Abu Gonzalez couldn't carry her sports bra!
mikeysez
instead we get alberto gonzalez who provides his benefactor the rationale he wants to kidnap, disappear and torture people.
gotta love those republican values.
WELL LETS FIRE ALL THE M--
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The reason the new torture photos have not been released is that they are used by Cheney, Bush, and Gonzales for their annual Better Homes & Garden Memory Book Craft Project.
Obviously the perverted culture of Faith Ministries is the cause of this.
Molestation: a new faith-based initiative from the Republicunts and the evangelical right wing!
Glory to God!
and patients hula-hooping in the nude.
Central Scrutinizer
Aerobics?
I've never had the slightest trouble with my black neighbors (bureaucrats are another story). The only unpleasant incident I've had was with white cops; they harrassed me for what was I doing in this neighborhood. Stealing? Buying drugs? Why are you here?
Draco
I can attest to that. Living in New Orleans (about 7 different addresses), I never had problems with African American neighbors or Hispanic neighbors or Vietnamese neighbors.
My one worst night was when white cops chose to beat the fuck out of me and toss me in jail for no fucking reason.
She said she is going to seek an answer from Gov. Ed Rendell's administration if it opposes the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Good commissar. Check the loyalties of your representatives. Sniff, sniff. Are you politically correct?
god forbid we should have an opposition to anything BushCo does.
Ahnuld was scared enough of the Raging Grannies that he had the National Guard investigate them.
Yeah, you know why he was scared of them? Because he's a coward. An overmuscled candy-ass coward.
Just like John Wayne and Ronald Reagan, two actors who never saw real combat. The right wing does indeed love them poseurs.
Oh, joy. A tangent.
Thanks Phoenix
I know about Brooks and agree he's ridiculous. I figured it was that. But this makes us look ridiculous as well.
So Atrios is saying any time something horrid happens in Florida, Georgia, Texas.... that it's because these people in "Bobo's World" are somehow like that. "Look at these people Brooks claims to be so enamored of!"
I guess I understand the joke, such as it is, but horrific crime committed by bad people occurs in New York City, San Francisco and even liberal neigborhoods in Philly.
It seems attaching the "Bobo's World" label to this story then is just a hip and cool way of saying something more like, "Look at these dumb Southern mother fuckers who molest kids."
Can't say that of course. But if we make it a Brooks joke, we can show our superiorty and excuse it because we are media critics.
It would be quite easy for me to find a story today from every state in the union - Red or Blue - about sexual abuse or any of the other crimes we attribute to Bobo's World.
And it would prove.... nothing.
Over two years ago Atrios reported a story of some ugliness, and added nothing to his posting except "Only in Texas". I complained about that as well. This kind of "commentary" adds nothing to a discussion. It's also the kind of dismissive superioroty the Wingnuts accuse of (and are occasionally quite right about)
This event was a human failing, not a Conservative one. This isn't Bobo's World, it's our world. We all share it and share responsibility to do something positive about things like this.
Bush has been to how many funerals of soldiers and Marines he sent to die for his lies?
Just wondering...
Does anyone have definitive stuff on Faith Ministries. When I googled them I got lots of hits, but can't tell if they're all related or related to this particular Jacksonville "church".
Good for the Lt. Governor. People need to wake up and smell the coffee and stop offering up their children as sacrificial lambs in this illegal war.
QL--
This administration has been ignoring judicial and congressional directives for a long, long time.
rorschach
You see, we are a "nation of laws", BushCo simply chooses to ignore them.
Everything's different since 9/11 Saddam Hussein 9/11 Saddam H....
I think it's sort of gross to gloat about these atrocities.
If Bobo's world is full of scary sex/violence, is it any wonder that the people of Bobo's world feel that society is falling apart? Can you blame them for looking for ways to control and suppress man's darker urges?
Just a thought.
The reason the new torture photos have not been released is that they are used by Cheney, Bush, and Gonzales for their annual Better Homes & Garden Memory Book Craft Project.
they gave the pictures to the PNAC crowd and now the pages are all stuck together.
but are driven away from it by the lack of pay, benefits, and relief.
Um, Sallyh....
feed these fuckers to the Sharks, and televise it live.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
Hey Mrs:
I mailed your Kinks kompilation
last night.
You are no longer chopped liver.
Bush has been to how many funerals of soldiers and Marines he sent to die for his lies?
Just wondering...
Stinky
He'd go but he's too busy on the exercise bike. Being a healthy fit President is hard work.
This event was a human failing, not a Conservative one. This isn't Bobo's World, it's our world. We all share it and share responsibility to do something positive about things like this.
Hey, Joe?
No kidding.
So where's Deutschbag?
probably out in the backyard shooting at his Offical RNC "Janet Reno" target.
but he's too busy on the exercise bike.
Please correct that to say "he's too busy FALLING OFF the exercise bike."
Thank you.
Abuse of mental patients has a very long and ugly history.
Sigh.
There's a big cultural difference between south, central and northern FL.
i can attest to that. central fl. is home of the brain dead moron.
miami, is just freak'n crazy. but also a cool town.
actually what it boils down to is miami has culture, cent. fl. doesn't.
And how much apples used to cost. And how rude the grocery clerks are. And how the bus drivers used to wear uniforms. Mission accomplished.
Not only that, but in department stores they had lots of people called "sales clerks" and they would run back and forth from your dressing room to the floor getting you the same thing in green or the next size down. When you called a company, a real person answered the phone and you could understand them. Milkmen came to your door and left milk, cream, eggs, and cottage cheese in a little metal box. Now, all you kids just run around with your pants hanging down around your pupkas and listening to those ipod thingies.
Pere,
he's probably stii crying over not being invited to a Janet Reno Dance Party.
Can you blame them for looking for ways to control and suppress man's darker urges?
YES! They need to control their own urges and mind their own damn business.
I can attest to that. Living in New Orleans (about 7 different addresses), I never had problems with African American neighbors or Hispanic neighbors or Vietnamese neighbors.
Shoot, I got you all beat. I grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan before it was the hip East Village. True story. Our first apartment cost $38/month. Same thing now, after gentrification, goes for $1500-2000. Infuckingsane. Especially when you consider the tenements were built to be slums. When you didn't have a communal bathroom down the hall, you had a tiny room containing a toilet and nothing else. Not even a sink. Bathtub in the kitchen, natch.
Elaine (and all)
Been gone for a week but it does not get better does it? Just read Billmon and agree with him again (I do that a lot) People just too dumb to understand.
Re: Children and witches.
Hansel und Gretel is a very old German story. People forget, the witch was nice at first.
Videogames keep kids safe at home, away from the threat of church on Sunday morning.
This event was a human failing, not a Conservative one. This isn't Bobo's World, it's our world. We all share it and share responsibility to do something positive about things like this
Might wanna mention that to Bobo and Santorum, then.
Just sayin'
Atrios is making a very valid point.
It seems attaching the "Bobo's World" label to this story then is just a hip and cool way of saying something more like, "Look at these dumb Southern mother fuckers who molest kids."
Nope
Re: Children and witches.
Hansel und Gretel is a very old German story. People forget, the witch was nice at first.
Elaine,
Don't go there.
Joe,
As a resident of Texas, I can say that I find Bobo and his idealized world repugnant, and use the Bobo's world monniker myself.
You seemed to have missed the point about what Bobo's world is. It is not the Red States per se. It is the rural America which, according to Bobo, has high morals, and would never do anything like what each of the Bobo's world posts represent.
Sure there are sick fucks in all corners of this country, however, when they turn up in small town, perfect America, it gets pointed out, because according to David Brooks, that does not happen there.
Ben... I guess this could be called gloating, yes. Most of what I've read seems to point more at disgust, anger, and despair, but gloating can definitely be seen in it. And you do have a point. I've considered it before, as well. I can't say I blame them for desparately trying to find some way to answer their problems.
My problem is they have decided to blame "liberals." In Bobo's world, they have turned a blind eye upon their own faults, are in active denial, and blame "liberals" for all their ills. This results in them telling the rest of the country what to do, and in the end, voting and acting against real solutions to such problems, as well as their own interests.
CNN - Police reporting in London, man shot to death NOT connected to bombings.
Oh boy fellas - Looks like a police homicide!
mikey likey crazy Miami.
At least it's interesting.
As the mad dog sez:
Only in Miami baby, only in the banana republic.
Can you blame them for looking for ways to control and suppress man's darker urges?
I have a problem when, invariably, the people who take it upon themselves to control and suppress man's darker urges get caught with their own pants down indulging those same urges.
Now, all you kids just run around with your pants hanging down around your pupkas and listening to those ipod thingies.
Hecate | Email | 07.23.05 - 12:16 pm | #
And you were allowed to horsewhip a man who might wish to take advantage of your daughter.
man shot to death NOT connected to bombings.
Fuck!!!!!!!!
Milkmen came to your door and left milk, cream, eggs, and cottage cheese in a little metal box. Now, all you kids just run around with your pants hanging down around your pupkas and listening to those ipod thingies.
And about how you used to could SMOKE on AEROPLANES! And, and, you could park your car and then walk across to the ticket counter and buy a ticket and then just climb the tall stairs thingey and GO INTO THE PLANE.
Shoot, I got you all beat.
Shoot, I was homeless in New Orleans for a while. No hall. No bathroom. No bath tub.
DWD:
Just mailed your bootleg Dylan
and the Monks CDs......
Enjoy!!!!!!
BTW -- are you coming to Eschacon?
Hi, DWD.
Interesting week, unfortunately, no? How were the woods and the family? Hope the mosquitos didn't bother too much (we got stupid blackflies here that fly into eyeballs!)
Hecate, Witches have always had a bit of a public relations problem
In one of my little books I have a wonderful confrontation between - essentially "bad" witches and "good" witches. I have never understood how people can only believe in the ying and not the yang.
From LA Times:
Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor, and his team have made no decision on whether to seek indictments, and there could be benign explanations for differences that have arisen in witnesses' statements to federal agents and a grand jury about how the name of Valerie Plame, a CIA agent who had worked undercover, was leaked to the media two years ago.
party poopers.
I've been living in multiethnic neighborhoods for the past 25 years. Never had any difficulties with anyone, save for a Caucasian police officer patrolling and asking me, why do you want to live with all the wetbacks?
Rorschach, my family and I lived in a TENT for TEN YEARS. On a mountain, no less, where it snows for five months.
I guess there couldn't be any malignant reasons for the discrepancies then.
Another old person lament:
When I was bad, my father used to make me go out in the yard and find a stick. Then he would beat me with that stick.
I have heard this story from three old people, in different parts of the country. What kind of twisted fuck would make their kid do that?
all you kids just run around with your pants hanging down around your pupkas and listening to those ipod thingies.
Hecate |
Hey I listen to my IPod and BTW my pupik is fine.
OT Lance Armstrong wins final time trial
There are GOOD witches and BAD witches, Dorothy!
Heh. The ones under houses are bad. And the striped stocking a dead giveaway.
Anonymous -- I disagree. Before we read the whole article my daughter and I rolled our eyes at a 25-year-old manager of day care operations. Sex had nothing to do with it; our assumptions of inexperience did. And I think we're right.
CNN - Police reporting in London, man shot to death NOT connected to bombings.
Shorter wingnut:
"He probably did something to deserve it, anyway!"
Drunkee,
SSHHHH!
To hot for yardwork.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
There are good WalterNeffs . . .
I have a problem when, invariably, the people who take it upon themselves to control and suppress man's darker urges get caught with their own pants down indulging those same urges.
Drunkee
Ditto what drunkee said. Furthermore, it seems to me that it is not man's darker urges they are trying to suppress, but women's with their all out assault on abortion and birth control.
I am glad my parents didn't make me go outside to look for a stick to hit me with.
We had only cacti.
BBC:
A man shot dead by police as part of the inquiry into Thursday's attempted bomb attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.
A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police.
Yeah, it's a tragedy, all right.
. . . and there are evil ones.
There are good WalterNeffs . . .
And then there are the ones that are very, very bad.
Breaking news
Shot man 'unconnected' to bombing
A man shot dead by police as part of the inquiry into Thursday's attempted bomb attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.
A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police.
The man was shot dead after police followed him from a south London flat to Stockwell Tube station on Friday.
Two other men have been arrested and are being questioned after bombers targeted three Tube trains and a bus.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-.../uk/
4711021.stm
Published: 2005/07/23 16:09:32 GMT
Since when did the Brits start using our police tactics (shoot first).
I see we've got some of them "us" and "we" brownshirts today.
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Well, with all the old folks laments up, someone had to ...
"We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. 'Give me five bees for a quarter,' you'd say."
Rorschach, my family and I lived in a TENT for TEN YEARS. On a mountain, no less, where it snows for five months.
Elaine Supkis
Damn hippy!
But really, that is impressive. Do you hate camping now? (My parents grew up on farms, and my mother HATES even the very notion of having pets.)
Although such living far away is just a whole 'nother thing from being urban homeless...
steve,
thanks for the Kinks compilation. you rule!
Steve, I am looking forward to the CD. I am still not sure about Eschacon as it is an extremely difficult time for teachers - I only get the one day off and we usually begin school the Wednesday before the weekend and Mrs. DWD is reluctant.
Elaine,
Had a lovely time on the island. Maybe it is better to be ignorant? (I have never convinced myself of this, but I did not feel so overwhelmed by all of the hatred when I was there.)
The problem with Bobo's world is that they seem to WANT to hate everyone who is not like them. That is a very limited world-view, but I believe they are happy with it.
If I were a woman I would be very concerned about the direction that many fundamentalist mothers are taking their daughters. I believe, fervently, that we are all individuals and have the right to do whatever the hell we feel is necessary for us. These young girls, and I am seeing them everywhere, are being trained to be nothing more than baby machines. Beings without thought or hope or individual expectations. To me this is extremely scary.
Shoot, I was homeless in New Orleans for a while. No hall. No bathroom. No bath tub.
rorschach | Email | Homepage | 07.23.05 - 12:20 pm | #
At least you could watch the Mardi Gras parades.
Walter--you forgot your Thorazine today.
So Atrios is saying any time something horrid happens in Florida, Georgia, Texas.... that it's because these people in "Bobo's World" are somehow like that. "Look at these people Brooks claims to be so enamored of!"
Joe, I think it's throwing cold water on Bobo's continual laudatory stories that people in red states are all Christian, god-fearing, upstanding citizens with their moral compass continually set on "righteous" while the supposedly morally relativistic, atheistic elitist blue staters hate god, hate morality and are completely devoid of any sense of right and wrong.
The point is that it's stupid, obviously, to paint with such a broad brush.
Anybody besides me remember the Satanic absue daycare hysteria of the 1990s? Children were put under coercive interrogation until, like good little torture victims, they told their interrotators exactly what they wanted to hear. It was led by a bizarre coallition of natural enemies consisting of Feminists, Freudian psychologists and fundamentalist Christians. There were all kinds of stories about tunnels dug under day care centers and kids shoving peanut butter into each others's assholes and whole ton of stuff that turned out to be complete horseshit. A lot of innocent people went to jai. One, a woman working out of a nursery school in Maplewood, NJ, was considered a suspect for being bisexual.
Just because it's right-wing churches that are under investigation this time is no reason to assume any of this is true without solid corroborative evidence. As the Iraq war showed, standards of proof are kind of important even if they're not a lot of fun. If all you have is the word of a bunch of kids, then you don't really have a case.
Remember, if this thing turns out not to be true then it's going to have the unfortunate effect of giving the right a quasi-legitimate reason to play victim.
Since when did the Brits start using our police tactics (shoot first).
mikeysez
(Said with a British accent) "Everything's different since 7/7."
RealTexan:
Your gravatar looks like Henry Jaglom.
Shoot, I was homeless in New Orleans for a while. No hall. No bathroom. No bath tub.
rorschach | Email | Homepage | 07.23.05 - 12:20 pm | #
At least you could watch the Mardi Gras parades.
Lime Rickey
Yeah, just try getting near them if you look like a homeless resident, rather than a moneyed tourist.
The day they beat me to a pulp was exactly 11 days before Fat Tuesday. I was lucky, because if it'd been 7 or fewer, they'd have held me till afterwards. They have tent cities built for just that purpose.
DWD--I'm concerned that this wave of thinking is what the Regime would like to encourage. Women attend college in greater numbers than men, and this would be an optimal way to eliminate financial aid. Already we're saying to students, if you want financial aid, you're going to have to join the military.
"My story begins in nineteen dickity two. We had to say dickity because the kaiser stole our word twenty. I chased him down the road but gave up after dickety-six miles... "
The greatest old person lament ever.
Well, I"m out of here to go track down a beast, kill it, gut it, cut it up - then track down a styrofoam, gut -it-, roll it out into little trays, put the beast bits onto the trays - then go out, hunt down a roll of plastic, roll it out, then cut off pieces to wrap the beast bits on the trays and then store them in the freezer.
Bobo's world is a hard world to live in these days. Gotta do everything yourself.
From the shores of Tinfoilhatica:
Bush/Blair chose July 7th for the London bombings so that the date "that would live in infamy" could be expressed the same in both the US and the UK: 7/7.
I'm just not eager to rush to judgment on this.
Sallyh
Yep. We're supposed to be the reality based ones. Let's see what kind of real evidence there is.
Although the "Truth or Dare" stories don't seem like something that kids would make up on their own.
And remember, unlike McMartin and the rest of the 80's witch hunts, two of the kids involved here are 12 and 13 - old enough to be able to tell their story reliably.
Meanwhile, my kittens continue to prove the existence of hegemony, and the need to fight against it.
And Belly v. Thumb remains unresolved.
Hieronymus--most of us here on the list have urged an abundance of caution for numerous reasons. Since we are reality based, we'd like to see the evidence first.
DWD, sometimes everyman wants to be an island.
steve,
thanks for the Kinks compilation. you rule!
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari | 07.23.05 - 12:26 pm |
My pleasure.......
Well, my dad caught me on this computer without his permission. Now I gotta go get a stick from the yard so he can beat me with it.
See you all later.
The greatest old person lament ever.
Drunkee
But did you have an onion on your belt. It was, you know, the style at the time.
WTF?:
LONDON (Reuters) - British police said on Saturday the man they shot dead on Friday at a London Underground train station was not connected to bomb attacks on the British capital.
"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005," police said in a statement.
Who was he then?
From CNN's front page:
BREAKING NEWS
London police say man shot dead at subway station Friday "not connected" to Thursday's attempted bombings. Details soon.
Only in Miami baby, only in the banana republic.
mikey, my freind the photographer i work with down there says "i love the cultural diversity, but i hate the third world attitude."
it is an interesting town, but can be frustrating. especially the death defying traffic.
in cent. fla. it's all bush/cheney stickers makes me crazy.
and yes it is a conservative problem. the politicization of moral issues is divisive in the extreme.
what ever you think of bill's b.j. no one got hurt. gay marriage, who gets hurt? etc...
torture...
The day they beat me to a pulp was exactly 11 days before Fat Tuesday. I was lucky, because if it'd been 7 or fewer, they'd have held me till afterwards. They have tent cities built for just that purpose.
rorschach | Email | Homepage | 07.23.05 - 12:33 pm | #
You'd piss and moan with a Virginia ham under each arm.
spiritraveller,
Best.Gravatar.Ever.
Damn. Rather harsh, there, Rickey.
Who was he then?
wolf-man | 07.23.05 - 12:39 pm | #
Someone who deserves a very heartfelt apology... oh, wait, strike that.
Thank you Hecate!
the poor dead guy was probably just running from the cops because he was illegal.
Just because it's right-wing churches that are under investigation this time is no reason to assume any of this is true without solid corroborative evidence.
Two words: Boston diocese.
Let's hear them defend themselves for a change.
Can someone please tell me the difference between a parody troll and a meta troll? Are the terms derogatory?
Thanks.
A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police.
Yesterday a so-called terrorism expert was on MSNBC hailing this killing. I wonder what he's up to today? I hate these fucking "experts." So many of them are just Bush-appologist biggots.
David Patterson:
End of the Thread Troll
the poor dead guy was probably just running from the cops because he was illegal.
Atrio
Yep.
This is the context we've created. Commonly known as "War on Terror."
unfortunate effect of giving the right a quasi-legitimate reason to play victim.
As if they needed a reason. Two, count them two, whiney LTEs in today's WaPo crying because a cartoon character apparently used "Christ" as an expletive. Now they can't put up the Ten Commandments on government property but the WaPo can run a cartoon misusing the name of their god and somehow the world is just too fucking unfair. Biggest bunch of pewling whiney babies of any religion, ever.
EvilWalterNeff
now i get it.
party poopers.
WalterNeff
more like - more Luskin spin, I'd say.
Yesterday a so-called terrorism expert was on MSNBC hailing this killing. I wonder what he's up to today?
I wonder what are the chances that he'll be asked about it now...while on the air?
BTW Are TV "terrorism experts" profiteering on the Global War on Terror?
Meanwhile, my kittens continue to prove the existence of hegemony, and the need to fight against it.
Rors:
Can you burn me a copy of Gramsci? I really want one.
Thanks.
Florida was the site of some of the most flagrant day care hysteria scandals in the 80s. Janet Reno led the charge too. The one I remember involved a Honduran woman and her husband (names forgotten). So let's not get all excited. This is Florida after all. As The Daily Show observed, 80% of the Earth's "Duh" come from that state.
Rors:
Can you burn me a copy of Gramsci? I really want one.
Thanks.
flory, Contributing Editor
I'm kinda behind the times on genetic engineering, but I'll try.
I don't know about Florida, but in Pennsylvania, day care centers sponsored by religious institutions are not required to allow the state inspections that other day care centers undergo.
Exactly the point I was trying to make -- Janet Reno was not the evil mastermind behind the daycare paranoia of the 80's; she exploited it, yes, but then again so did many people who are equally as guilty for the lives they ruined.
Mdmes et Mssrs, right next to "others did worse" our next lame excuse: "others did the same".
And she didn't just exploit it; she was hands on supervising the brainwashing and torture of Fusters wife to get a confession out of her against him.
Fucking bitch should rot in hell.
You can bet money that old man "the very Reverend" himself was playing with junior at a tender age.
So where's Deutschbag?
probably out in the backyard shooting at his Offical RNC "Janet Reno" target.
Did the laundry, got fresh waffles cherry&cream icecream & whipped cream from our local mob front operation.
Then again, I'm in germany. No shooting in the backyard.
jax florida is ground zero of bobo's world...
Deutch bag,
I don't recall anyone else in Washington ever stand up and take responsibility for their actions like Reno did.
Like I said, her innocent victim still rots in jail.
And I've been reading Eschaton before it was cool, loser.
just proves all abortions are bad, right?
oh...
Who was he then?
wolf-man - 12:39 pm
Mr. Collateral Damage
i know judging books by covers can be dangerous, but, judging by the picture of the accused-- crystal meth might be involved and speed makes you do crazy stupid things with your penis...
I don't know about Florida, but in Pennsylvania, day care centers sponsored by religious institutions are not required to allow the state inspections that other day care centers undergo.
If these had been organized by atheists, atheism would be cited by everyone as the reason behind the criminal activity. But since it's a church - and every time, almost it seems, it is a church - religion gets a free pass.
Uh, whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty", folks?
I wonder how many remember the spate of accusations about "satanic cults" and alleged day-care abuses from the 1980s. It turns out a lot of them were either overreactions or completely false.
Overzealous prosecutors and social workers interviewing children managed, through the power of suggestion, to trump up all manner of horrific accusations that later turned out to be untrue.
As a case in point, Escondido, California, police made a thirteen year old boy "confess" to the murder of his little sister a few years ago by implanting suggestions in his mind through overly agressive interrogation and so confusing him that he became unsure of his own innocence. It was only when the true killer was captured that the boy was completely exonerated.
Authority figures have a tremendous amount of influence on children and can induce, consciously or not, erroneous testimony.
Until the facts are placed before a court, I suggest the we start acting like liberals and not jump to any unwarranted conclusions.
How do you expect Jeb to handle this?
He's much too busy slandering Michael Schiavo.
"HEY! JUDE LAW BONED A BIG BONED NANNY!"
"Big boned" meaning a woman who looks like a woman and not a concentration camp inmate with basketballs on her chest?
The Canada is stupidest thing is just a joke of the kind a secure nation can tell on itself. Unlike the United States (stupidest rich people in the history of the world) they don't have to constantly pat themselves on the back and INSIST that everyone else in the world do the same.
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Notice that most of our MURKAN Canada-bashers know nothing about Canada.
Most of them actually think that they just speak French in Canada.
They couldn't find it on a map if their lives depended on it.
People that stupid and ignorant sure make ya proud to be an American (not!).
I used to love when the sexist fuckers in the GOP used to call Ms. Reno "Butch" and all that other horsehit because she isn't an anorexic slut like TrAnn Coulter.
But, hey, KindaSleazy Rice and Karen Hughes are such great beauties!
"...forced to eat worms"
"Nobody likes me
Everybody hates me
Guess I'll eat some worms..."
"the Dr. Laura "don't have them unless you're willing to raise them 24/7" crowd who hate day care anyway.
Pere Ubu"
Oh, yeah - only the RICH should be permitted to procreate.
After all, THEY can afford to have nannies and nurses raise THEIR spawn.
"Just because it's right-wing churches that are under investigation this time is no reason to assume any of this is true without solid corroborative evidence.
"Two words: Boston diocese.
"Let's hear them defend themselves for a change."
Sloppy, sloppy, Dave. There was plenty of corroborative evidence for Boston. The problem there was that those whose first duty should have been to protect their flock ignored it and protected the abusers instead. See, just because one group of people is guilty doesn't mean another group belonging to a different church in a completely different part of the country is too. Sort of like Muslims, you know? Most aren't terrorists. The Florida thing has NOTHING to do with Boston.
Also, the crime being proposed here is just a little unbelievable. Butt fucking unwilling boys is unseamly and disgusting but there sure has been a lot of it. Ordering kids to pick each others' noses is a little odd, don't you think? Forgive the expression but that story smells big time. I mean, where's the thrill?
It's a goddamn shame when grandmothers have to fill the shoes of the Yellow Elephants.
-Lime Rickey
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