I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I doubt I'm first, but Fuck Michelle Maglagulag.
Sideways, with a rusty chain saw.
Woohoo!
Well, well, well.
turds. must be getting to be dinner time.
Damn you, Tena! Foiled!
"Mission Accomplished".
Michelle Manglangamerkin.
grievance-mongerers. grievance-mongerers. grievance-mongerers. grievance-mongerers. grievance-mongerers. grievance-mongerers.
hey michelle, mong this.
-J.T.
Yes, but every single person in Britain now has a very different relationship to the police than they had three days ago, don't they?
Well, maybe Michelle Maglalukalimdbusoglkskldfjsd22lfdsdlk
should try visiting London to see how friendly they are to brown skinned people, of which she is one.
Michelle Malkin has been clocked at 15 minutes 31 seconds.
She ows us.
It's just sad. There was a set of cascading assumptions by the police that were clearly wrong. At the minimum the man should be listed an additional victim of the original 7-7 attacks. Hopefully there will be a proper inquiry and his family in Brazil will get some kind of decent treatment (like visas to come to Britain for any memorial service or inquiry).
Five in the Maglanoggin.
ows=drunk
Hi, Michelle! *waves*
Some quote material.
Hey A.
Eschaton is NOT listed in Malkin's BlogRoll. I'd complain.
so what part of "innocent" are Malkin, Gibson, the trolls etc. missing?
Michelle once again demonstrates her complete cluelessness for the world to admire.
And didja notice the ad on Maglabangbangs blog. Conservative T-shirts that say "Commies aren't cool". Is somebody hanging onto the past a little too hard?
Couldn't they have just shot the guy in the knee? They already were sitting on him, right?
Conservative response:
"If X innocent people are killed in the process of capturing/killing Y guilty people, it's all right with me!!"
I'm sure a mathematical formula could be related to this, Y/X. The higher this number is, the more conservative one could said to be. Anything about Y/X = 1.0 is the "nutbag divider", which I hereby name the Malkin Line.
That money could be spent to help a LOT of POOR people, but this Opus Dei moron has to leave a monument to himself, ya know!
"Thomas Monaghan had a choice: Pour his fortune from the Domino's Pizza chain he founded into building the largest Roman Catholic church in America, or the best Catholic university.
Monaghan, who entered the pizza business in Ypsilanti, Mich., in 1960, opted for the latter. And on Thursday he unveiled a new, scaled-down design for the Oratory of Ave Maria, the planned centerpiece of the town and university, both named Ave Maria, being built by the former pizza baron near Naples, Fla.
Monaghan, 68, who has spent two decades seeding conservative Catholic causes, said escalating costs of construction and engineering forced him to give up the dream he made public 16 months ago of building America's largest Catholic cathedral."
(And Domino's Pizza SUCKS!)
Five in the Maglanoggin.
That made me laugh out loud, even though I really don't wish any violence against her.
Damn you, Tena! Foiled!
Carpbasman
Hah! Karma. That's what you get for sneaking in before me last night.
i'm a commie. i'm cool.
That ratio should be x/y. His Imperial Highness has never been good at math.
He was an electrician, and electricians know how to connect wires and connected wires are often used to make terrorist explosives go off...so why take a chance?
And if he were a chef, chefs prepare meals, terrorists eat, well fed terrorists make bombs and....
The Brazillian ambassador -- who, coincidentally, got booted off the chemical weapons anti-proliferation team at the behest of Mr J. Bolton -- will be on the phone to Tony this weekend.
I want to see some fucking sackcloth and ashes from the Met and Home Office.
so what part of "innocent" are Malkin, Gibson, the trolls etc. missing?
Oh, I think they figured he was guilty, he was "asian" after all. Now that it turns out he's probably innocent, none of the rightward blogs seem to eager to talk about it. Cog was the first moron to comment on it (on the last thread) that somehow Atrios is falling short because he's "more upset" with the British and Gibson than with the terrorists.
Mangalangadingdong... isn't that a Philippine name? Aren't there a lot of Muslim terrorists in the Philippines?
Git a rope!
so what part of "innocent" are Malkin, Gibson, the trolls etc. missing?
Pere Ubu
Wingerthink works this way: If shot by a cop, or arrested, you must be guilty -- unless you are also a winger, in which case, the shooting or arrest was caused by liberal elites and/or the Clenis(tm).
Michelle MaglaGangBang really has deluded herself into thinking she is this blonde fascist slut, like Ann Coulter, instead of the Asian fascist slut that she is.
Ahh, my beloved Michelle Malkin... You know, I once sent her an email telling her to look at a thread I was trolling here at Eschaton, and pretended that some of my usual asshattery comments were actually genuine liberals... And although she was too STUPID to realise that King Leopold was someone else's satire on top of my own idiocy, I still love her. And now, here you evil liberals are again, insulting my beloved right wing lunatic! I like to think that one day, if I defend her enough, she'll understand just how much I want her, and she'll want me too; And after all, it's not as if I have a dearth of more realistic opportunities anyway. So watch out for me to spend hour after hour after hour trolling this thread! What's that? Someone's dead you say? Oh, I don't care about what happens in the real world! I've got my fantasy babe to impress! Let the shootings continue, as long as I can believe I'm one step closer to winning her heart!
i'm a commie. i'm cool.
shbinga
We know...the kid's got RED hair!
And didja notice the ad on Maglabangbangs blog. Conservative T-shirts that say "Commies aren't cool". Is somebody hanging onto the past a little too hard?
yeah, and another one that said aclu where the c was a hammer and sickle.
im glad ann coulter doesnt look like that model.
so what part of "innocent" are Malkin, Gibson, the trolls etc. missing?
Pere Ubu
Innocent doesn't count unless you're blonde haired and blue eyed.
Ummm....Michelle? Might want to think about that a bit.
Whooee, a quick shot of Meth and Duncy posts like a babbling brook.
Must be all that open thread bad commentary finally sunk in.
Or the advertisers are complaining about spending money for nothing.
See?! Before I'd even had time to post my above comment, I was already multiple-schizoid posting as "." again! SHE'LL LOVE ME ONE DAY, I KNOW IT!
I doubt I'm first, but Fuck Michelle Maglagulag.
Sideways, with a rusty chain saw.
Tena |
Racist!
if it had been mr. malkin or one of her two children, i wonder if scotland yard would have heard from the malkin-mongers?
it's so easy to hate and ignore theoretical folks.
I have to run an errand, back in a half-hour.
Thanks to all of you sane people here. Knowing you're all here helps a lot.
He was an electrician, and electricians know how to connect wires and connected wires are often used to make terrorist explosives go off...so why take a chance?
he was guilty of possible suicide-bomb related weapons activity.
Malkin's husband must really be a pussy to play second fiddle to his mouthy wife?
How unamerican can you get?
If they were true americans then he'd insist his wife put her blogging and writing aside, put on her geisha outfit, and start servicing him like all good conservative women are supposed to.
MYOB'
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We know...the kid's got RED hair!
Agent Orange | Email | 07.23.05 - 5:32 pm | #
naw, that's my grandson, he got it from his dad. i'm more sicilian looking.
thanks for playing, though. 
steve simels--If you show up here, I still demand you address my issues on the lower thread. It's quite understandable that you like the ladies here, but I helped boost Stereo Review's circulation in the 70s citing you and Lester Bangs.
So you owe me a CD, get it? Only a crummy one compared to the ladies, but didn't I help you with your nestegg?
Laters mena.
I'll keep the pitchforks battened down in your absence.
it's so easy to hate and ignore theoretical folks.
One of my favorite sports!!! That, and assuming that everyone who is not exactly like me is probably out to get me.
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Anyone who would go to war over imaginary grievances is a real headcase if she then starts snivelling about "grievance-mongerers."
But we already knew that.
Hey, fellow lefties! How you doing?
Got an off-topic question:
Has anyone else noticed that www.huffingtonpost.com has been out of commission for almost 24 hours now?
I can't get ANYTHING to come up, no error messages, nothing. My browser just tries endlessly to connect, but the page remains blank.
Thought someone might have heard what's wrong over there.
Thanks!
As you were. Oh yeah, and Michelle Magaloooloooo is stark ravers. Not new news, I know...
Thanks to all of you sane people here.
a bit presumptuous, i'd say. maybe some of the others are.
in the words of homer simpson,
in a world gone mad, only the lunatics are completely insane.
Lance Armstrong. Heh heh.
Texan. Heh heh.
Rides a bicycyle. Heh heh.
I'm a Texan. Heh heh.
I ride a bicycle. Heh heh.
I won the Tewer Day Fransays.
Heh heh.
Or, as we say in West Taxas, the Tewer Day Fransays.
Has anyone else noticed that www.huffingtonpost.com has been out of commission for almost 24 hours now?
works for me.
Or, as we say in West Taxas, the Tewer Day Fransays.
at least Lance Armstrong can stay on the fuckin' bike for more than five minutes.
he was guilty of possible suicide-bomb related weapons activity.
PU,
just to be a bit more accurate, I would suggest you change "possible", to "potential"
I should be carefull as the crystal radio on my shelf, could potentially become a death-ray.
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Can we start a fund to buy Ms. Maglalang a heavy winter coat, a ticket for the Tube, and airfare to London?
"Thanks to all of you sane people here."
I'm sure Mrs. MYOB would find this funny.
She considers my sense of humor to be the next worst thing to a toothache.
MYOB'
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Haloscan ate the comment I tried to post below, so I'll post it here. Even if the guy had been one of the bombers, killing him would have done almost nothing about terrorism.
Turning into barbarians has accomplished nothing more than turning us into barbarians. It has done nothing about terrorism. I wish to hell that the people in power would learn to think in new ways, because the old ways are useless with this situation. If people are willing to die for their perceived cause, and the suicide bombers certainly are, then what the hell good does it do to kill them?
We cannot kill them all. And their children and their grandchildren and on and on and on are going to hate our guts and pick up the cause and go forward.
Shit.
Who among is is not out to get Kent?
OT: Tom DeLay - a pain in the Astorian
Has anyone else noticed that www.huffingtonpost.com has been out of commission for almost 24 hours now?
Works here!
MYOB,
I am enjoying the Snark today, It is helping keep the homocidal rage at bay.
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Who among is is not out to get Kent?
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 07.23.05 - 5:42 pm | #
i might be interested in getting kent. always been a little curious, if you get what i'm saying.
"Has anyone else noticed that www.huffingtonpost.com has been out of commission for almost 24 hours now?"
Your ISP may be owned by one of them major Bush supporting telecom companies who is sick that the website is promoting anti-bush news and commentary, in particular about the Karl Rove leak, and is censoring you.
At least making it difficult.
Then there's the chance you need to clean out your cache, and get a fresh start on the site cause when I clicked it it came up in about two seconds.
MYOB'
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Has anyone else noticed that www.huffingtonpost.com has been out of commission for almost 24 hours now?
Mrs K8,
I don't have any troubles on this end. Don't know what to tell you.
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There was a set of cascading assumptions by the police that were clearly wrong.
Exactly. And there'll be a set of inquiries: first, an inquest by the coroner, then an internal inquiry, then most probably a PCA inquiry. The British take this kind of thing seriously.
There is no such word as
mongerers
This reflects the semi-literacy of self-styled "pundints" who favor "nucular" war against Mecca, random shooting of Brazilians, etc.
It's spelled -mongers.
Mrs. K8,
I think your going through a DNS server with problems. I was was on the site just a couple of minutes ago.
Innocent doesn't count unless you're blonde haired and blue eyed.
doesn't hurt to be pregnant, neither.
MsK8,
Huffingtonpost works fine from here as well. Did you add it to your pop-up blocker by mistake?
michelle "malkin" should be the one being chased by police in a subway. and instead of shooting her 5 times, maybe the london police could put her in a camp-- just how she likes it.
The British take this kind of thing seriously.
In the spirit of the US adnministration's comprehensive support of the 9/11 Commission...
... or maybe not...
Even if the guy had been one of the bombers, killing him would have done almost nothing about terrorism.
The defense will be the "ticking bomb" scenario. The shots to the head were to prevent him from detonating his hidden bomb.
It's the same rationale for torture as well popularized most recently by Alan Dershowitz.
Of course most people believe it never works in preventing death (other than the shooting victim)...it didn't in this case.
hmmm--mongerers--seems like a good word to describe right wing pundits. sounds like mongrel, mongol...
doesn't hurt to be pregnant, neither.
That's not what Mary told me... she was clearly trying to gain false sympathy!
Wisely, I'm not going to declare a position on this London shooting incident until I confer with albert champion.
SHE has a wife and kids?
The British take this kind of thing seriously.
any chance we can get scotland yard to look into treasongate? maybe MI6 had some dealings with B&J?
If people are willing to die for their perceived cause, and the suicide bombers certainly are, then what the hell good does it do to kill them?
Kinda puts the wingnuts into a bind, if they cared to think about it.
They're all for killing off every Muslim, at which point they're convinced terrorism would end, yet how would such Manly and Heroic things as the shooting of Mr.de Menezes happen without the threat of terrorism?
But they don't think about it, so it never occurs to them. Like many things.
Who among is is not out to get Kent?
SEEEE!!!!! I told the Psychiatrist that I wasn't paranoid. Neeener Neeener Neener.
(note to self: check under the bed for turrrahists, Thersites, and all the others out to get me. Maybe it would just be safer to set off a claymore under the bed about 20 minutes before I go to sleep at night)
Later folks, I must dash off to Claymores-R-Us, back soon.
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Turning into barbarians has accomplished nothing more than turning us into barbarians....
We cannot kill them all. And their children and their grandchildren and on and on and on are going to hate our guts and pick up the cause and go forward.
Shit.
But Tena...
How are we going to prove ourselves civilized, unless we can out-barbarian the barbarians?
And didja notice the ad on Maglabangbangs blog. Conservative T-shirts that say "Commies aren't cool". Is somebody hanging onto the past a little too hard?
I think I want a T-shirt that says "Fascist Assholes aren't cool"
god but I hate these people.
Tena,
Agreed on your post. I would take it one step further - Juan Cole had an excellent post last week on the wall that the Israelis are erecting in Jerusalem. It seems that the effect - intended or otherwise - of the wall is to enflame the Muslim world against the Jewish state AND those states that support them.
Instead of worrying about how to fight terrorism as a primary exercise, why don't we consider what it is that we are doing to make them so dedicated to our destruction? I know that the kneejerkers will chortle with joy over that comment because for them, President Dumbnuts saying, "Evil - they are just evil" is enough for them. But I am not one who accepts dogma from any quarter.
I believe that we do not need Karen Hughes to run a PR campaign, I believe we need a realistic assessement of what the government of the US and others are doing to enflame Muslim's passions.
If we understand, maybe we can ameliorate. If we can ameliorate, maybe we won't have to give an innocent man the five shots in the head . . . .
Oh that slut would squeal like a stuck pig if she got racially profiled her own little self.
It's all about them other folks; never ever about her or any good conservatives. I mean, the cops can tell the difference between a Repug voting American Philipino, and a Democratic sympathizing alien Philipino, just by looking, right?
Kent's under-the-bed dust bunnies protect him from terrorists!
(NTS: shbinga is now on the list)
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How are we going to prove ourselves civilized, unless we can out-barbarian the barbarians?
I don't think we'll have any problem out barbarianing them.
Our mistake was to ever think we were civilized.
It's all about them other folks; never ever about her or any good conservatives. I mean, the cops can tell the difference between a Repug voting American Philipino, and a Democratic sympathizing alien Philipino, just by looking, right?
Tattooed on the back of the neck.
(/monty python)
Kent's under-the-bed dust bunnies protect him from terrorists!
Lion kitty protects me.
Even from ocelots.
He was innocent?
Thems the worst kinda terrists - the innocent ones. Gotta shoot 'em, fersure.
/wingnut
axiom A: the only way to be safe is to eliminate your enemies
axiom B: if it looks like a terrorist it may be a terrorist - you just can't tell.
theorem: we must kill all brown people.
proof: ipso facto.
We cannot kill them all. And their children and their grandchildren and on and on and on are going to hate our guts and pick up the cause and go forward.
Yes, but understanding that requires an ability to look at and attempt to understand reality.
Conservabots don't do reality. They prefer their Old West fantasies where John Wayne's gonna come riding in and clean up the town by shooting all the bad guys.
It worked so well for the Duke, why shouldn't it work for Chimpy.
Hollywood really is having a detrimental impact on our society. Those liberal elitists keep giving the wingnuts ideas.
i wonder how michelle whatthefuck feels about all the filipinos killed by the americans after we "liberated" them from Spain? and why is her name malkin, anyway? does she hate her heritage?
oooh! i'm all tingley. i've never been on "the list" before. i wanted to be on nixon's list, but i was only 9 at the time and i don't think he considered me much of a threat. little did he know....
Lion kitty protects me.
Even from ocelots.
it's an ocelot of work for a kitty.
OT
TCM seems to be running the worst movies ever made every Saturday, at around this time. Last week, "Light in the Piazza," this week "The Carpetbaggers."
t's an ocelot of work for a kitty.
Pere Ubu - 5:55 pm
Noooooooooooooooooo!
Juan Cole had an excellent post last week on the wall that the Israelis are erecting in Jerusalem.
And I recall US taxpayers are paying $900,000,000 directly to the construction cost of the wall. The best Chimpy can say is "the wall is a problem", then authorizes the dough. This is a special add on to Israeli security aid. I believe an additional $15 billion since 9/11 above the usual foreign aid package.
I'll bet nearly all Palestinians know the wall is being paid for by the US. How many Americans do you think know that? Our ignorance is no accident...remember terroists hate our freedom, apple pie, mom, baseball....
Whoa--all the Texans seem to be here: RMJ, Tena, 4legs. It's almost like being repblican.
Thems the worst kinda terrists - the innocent ones. Gotta shoot 'em, fersure.
yeah, they's tricksy alright. and after you shoot one, watch out - their spawn is never properly grateful for us democratizing them. best shoot the li'l ones too, afore they grow up to be big ones.
regarding that "5 in the noggin" post below: i want to know why anybody thought that the guy who got killed in the subway WAS connected to the most recent bombings. the only connection i see is that it happened in the subway.
Instead of worrying about how to fight terrorism as a primary exercise, why don't we consider what it is that we are doing to make them so dedicated to our destruction?
DWD,
That is sooo pre 9/11, enlightened thinking.
We threw that baby out with the bathwater nearly 4 years ago.
Them's different period, and therefore wrong and bad. /winger
reminds me of that fantastic chappelle skit with the blind black KKK guy.
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Maglalang had a pro-profiling op-ed in the NY Post yesterday. Remind me again of where the Abu Sayyaf terrorists come from?
Immediately after the London bombings, National Guardsmen were deployed on subway systems in the U.S., carrying automatic rifles. The Washington Metro is considering using random bag searches as a way to prevent a subway bombing that many people now view as inevitable.
i hadnt heard this before.
it's an ocelot of work for a kitty.
here we go again. manx a lot.
Kent's under-the-bed dust bunnies protect him from terrorists!
Lion kitty protects me.
Even from ocelots.
four legs good
Well, you guys know how the protection racket works out here.
How we'll play it in Pincher Creek is pretty much up to the guys in the red serge coats and the Big Person on Two Legs.
"Yes, but every single person in Britain now has a very different relationship to the police than they had three days ago, don't they?"
No. I have the same mixed relationship with them (arrested on a political; demo, knowing the wrong people, etc.) that I always did, but I am safe: I am white and I have a middle class voice and I live in a middle class inner city suburb. (If I'd idealised the police before this, then I would have a different relationship with them now.)
"I want to see some fucking sackcloth and ashes from the Met and Home Office."
We've seen some, but I want to see more; but they will be careful because the more they say, the more likely it is the police involved in this shooting will be charged with murder. (Of course scapegoating them is not good enough unless they clearly broke the rules of the policy -- to shoot suspected suicide bombers -- and I think they did.)
All police shootings here are investigated but -- to P. O'Neill -- there really will be a full inquiry about this one, I am sure. I hope so because the story as it stands now does not make sense.
Kent's under-the-bed dust bunnies protect him from terrorists!
Thanks for the idear. (NTS: use dust bunnies to conceal claymores)
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Who among is is not out to get Kent?
Waitaminute!
this is get Kent week? Nobody told me. I never get the bloody memos.
I blame Eli.
oooh! i'm all tingley. i've never been on "the list" before. i wanted to be on nixon's list, but i was only 9 at the time and i don't think he considered me much of a threat. little did he know....
shbinga
I wanted to be on Nixon's list at about that age and time too. I also wanted to be a journalist. Thank Castor and Pollux, I ended up a lawyer instead. I know lawyering isn't as respectable as crack-whoring these days, but it does beat journamalism.
Maglalang had a pro-profiling op-ed in the NY Post yesterday.
Pshitt, "profiling" seems to have worked SO well in Mr.de Menezes' case.
Wait ten minutes -- based on the conclusion of the comments on the thread below, it'll be maintained that if you question the actions of the London Metropolitan Police you are condoning the Iranians executing gay teenagers.
We're in more danger as a society from the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle than any terrorists.
I know lawyering isn't as respectable as crack-whoring these days,
"these days"?
You know, I used to live next to Tingley Beach. There weren't any lists or anything tho.
Why don't the muslim "leaders" issue a gaddamn FATWA against the terrorists? Do you know, that not one single one in the entire muslim world has ever condemned the actions of osama bin laden? Not one single muslim leader has ever condemned what he caused?
"There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those reasons clear."
Does that even qualify as a grievance?
Or does this?
Myriam Ibrahim, spokeswoman of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, said: "The police are operating at a really, really difficult time and we would be very, very wary of condemning them. However we live in a country where we are innocent until proven guilty."
I wanted to be on Nixon's list at about that age and time too. I also wanted to be a journalist. Thank Castor and Pollux, I ended up a lawyer instead. I know lawyering isn't as respectable as crack-whoring these days, but it does beat journamalism.
Omnes Omnibus
Well, I suspect these days journalism majors tell their mothers they want to be lawyers when they grow up.
Or better, piano players in a whorehouse. As each is a step up in respectability from the one before.
here we go again. manx a lot.
I'm going to puss out of this caterwauling. Not much claws to continue.
I forgot to say the Muslim Council of Britain is of course a very respectable, calm and moderate organization, but to Trevino and Malkin it will look like a Communist front, no doubt.
There have been plenty of christian churches condemning our actions in Iraq, though.
Another pun thread will render me catatonic. Just spayin'
If we understand, maybe we can ameliorate. If we can ameliorate, maybe we won't have to give an innocent man the five shots in the head . . . .
DWD | Email | Homepage | 07.23.05 - 5:50 pm
And we may even get to the point where we don't have to worry about terrorists.
We're in more danger as a society from the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle than any terrorists.
Davis X. Machina
I blame the schools. "Logic" means only one thing: "It's only logical to parrot what the teacher says, and to learn what fits in the little bubbles on the standardized tests."
Actual thinking-logic, therefore, has no place, as it neither prepares you to salute the teacher, nor to pass the required tests.
School is not for thinking. It's only for indoctrination.
t's an ocelot of work for a kitty.
Pere Ubu - 5:55 pm
Did giraffe to get started so early?
Another pun thread will render me catatonic. Just spayin'
it would be a catastrophe. i'll bring my emegency kit en' be ready just in case.
Why don't the muslim "leaders" issue a gaddamn FATWA against the terrorists? Do you know, that not one single one in the entire muslim world has ever condemned the actions of osama bin laden? Not one single muslim leader has ever condemned what he caused?
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Actually, Incog, the London Muslim Counsel did just that this week.
I'm outta here. Home to deal with an overintelligent overwillful Aussie Sheperd puppy! And to get snark from my cats for neglecting them as a result of said puppy.
I guess the policy is now "better a dead sort-of-Pakistani-or-Asian-looking-frightened-
Brazilian than a live enemy."
shbinga,
glad to have brought you to "the show"
GWPDA,
as far as Chocolate Creek is concerned, I might suggest wiring up reflectometers (gadjets that let you know how much light reflects off of a face) to claymores surrounding the perimeter. That way, if it ain't white, claymores a'light.
we might have to come up with something special in my case however.
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it would be a catastrophe. i'll bring my emegency kit en' be ready just in case.
Jagaurn't gonna quit, are you. Guess I'll have to catalogue the atrocities.
it would be a catastrophe. i'll bring my emegency kit en' be ready just in case.
Jagaurn't gonna quit, are you. Guess I'll have to catalogue the atrocities.
i want to know why anybody thought that the guy who got killed in the subway WAS connected to the most recent bombings.
According to the link - he was coming out of a house they were watching in connection with the bombings.
But where's steve simels, who was here earlier? I pledge to give what little I can afford, say $25, if he burns me one of those CDs he makes for the ladies.
I'll give it to his favorite charity, even if that charity is stevesmanhattanrent.org
You know, I used to live next to Tingley Beach. There weren't any lists or anything tho.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar
NM?
Wasn't much of anything
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Malkin is like one of those dogs brought up by themselves with only people for company, of which people say, "Look isn't she cute? She doesn't know she's a dog."
Isn't she cute? She doesn't know she's a wog.
We're in more danger as a society from the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle than any terrorists.
Davis X. Machina
I blame the schools....
Rmj, wandering aengus.
Thanks a shitload.
I'm a teacher, and teach and coach debate. I'm pulling my goddamn oar....
Michelle Malbagongapolofoluropollululu
which is probably her real name, is a self-loathing Philipino. She changed her name to gain some street cred with the right wingers who would normally despise and hate someone like her, because of her heritage.
These self-hating minorities are the worst kind of people, because they are really willing to go overboard to prove to the whites who hate them, that they tow the party line. Hence, people like Michelle what's her name, and Condoleeza Rice, etc.
Actually, Incog, the London Muslim Counsel did just that this week.
Someone posting as incog was told that very thing a few days ago.
He chose to ignore it, surprisingly.
See you later, moonbats.
Whoa--all the Texans seem to be here: RMJ, Tena, 4legs. It's almost like being repblican.
Bite your tongue.
Lion kitty collects his tribute in Blue Bell home made vanilla ice cream.
It's a small price to pay to be kept safe from the likes of the terrifying Bevo.
Actually, Incog, the London Muslim Counsel did just that this week.
Diane
Oops, I failed to link. See this article and this one
Actual thinking-logic, therefore, has no place, as it neither prepares you to salute the teacher, nor to pass the required tests.
I hate those fucking standardized tests.
Why don't the muslim "leaders" issue a gaddamn FATWA against the terrorists? Do you know, that not one single one in the entire muslim world has ever condemned the actions of osama bin laden? Not one single muslim leader has ever condemned what he caused?
Not a single one, ever? Proof please, or at least a little information on this "Project Fly on the Wall" that makes you privy to such information.
It looks like the dream of telepathic communication with flys on the walls has been perfected. Can they transmit images, cause if they can, I want some.
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bombing innocents with backpack= evil
bombing innocents with air force= no problem
Ignore the liar again folks; If he'd genuinely read any left leaning material, he'd know it's been widely reported that various Muslim council's in the UK are discussing launching a Fatwa against Bin Laden... and plenty of Muslim leaders have condemned 9/11 already. Incognito knows this though, you've told him enough times... he's just trying to fuck up the comments again with his usual trolling, and try and fill the blog with endless apologies from Muslims to make himself and the right wing jack-offs behind his activities feel good about making that "evil" religion bow and scrape and beg forgiveness from him.
And our other endlessly trolling friend, if he's not Incognito too (Let's give Pie a gun!), is clearly off his meds again today; so make sure to not rise to his bait either. Sad really how he never changes, except to get worse... I remember all that "I'm fighting Atrios' censorship" nonsense from years ago... so very, very sad. I wish I knew who he was in real life, not because he angers me, but because he clearly is in need of medical and/or psychological treatment. For his own good.
Right, bed soon. Just popped by to see how the Right was taking our latest local tragedy. Good to see that they, and their friends-in-disguise here are proving once more why we British really should give the US right the finger. Watch Blair fall soon, and it's all thanks to you guys. Berlusconi's wobbling too... Keep up the bad work, terrorist enabling assholes!
OT - Tena/RMJ - Was hoping one of you could answer a legal question.
I'm helping one of my wife's friends that lost her husband after a brief illness. He got a will, but slipped into a coma before signing it. Lots of assets in his name. Thirty year marriage, four kids, no ex-wife, etc, so nobody to contest anything.
Does she need to hire a probate lawyer? Does she get something from a probate lawyer which will allow her to move everything into her name? Anything I'm missing?
Thanks a shitload.
I'm a teacher, and teach and coach debate. I'm pulling my goddamn oar....
Davis X. Machina
Me, too, these days. English and philosophy.
It pains me to acknowledge the truth....
Maybe Mr. de Menezes was working illegally as an electrician in London. Maybe he went to work in a heavy coat to conceal his tool belt and wire wrapped around his body. And the cops come after him -- shit, he panics. I bet that's it.
A "false positive". May want to rethink this five-shots-in-the-noggin thing.
Atrios:
Are you participating in DSM day? Why so silent on this?
Actually, Incog, the London Muslim Counsel did just that this week.
Diane
Blah blah blah, and where was the "fatwa" against murderous islamic terrorists blowing the limbs off folks on their way to work? I want a gaddamn FATWA against that. AND WOULD ONE OF THE ZEALOTS IN THE ENTIRE MUSLIM WORLD CONDEMN bin LADEN!! AND STOP MURDERING TEENAGERS WHO ARE GAY!!
well, fangs a lot for the good time, everyone. i'd be lion if i said i didn't enjoy it. it's not fur, but i better get going. i'm getting on in years, and moving in this heat more than 5 miles purr hour really makes me "ow". thats my tail, and i'm sticking to it.
It's a small price to pay to be kept safe from the likes of the terrifying Bevo.
four legs good
AiiieeeeeEEEE!!!
The ocelots are propagating!! No one is safe....
And me with no protection!!!
CAN I GET A FATWA FROM THE THINGS AGAINST MURDER?
Does she need to hire a probate lawyer? Does she get something from a probate lawyer which will allow her to move everything into her name? Anything I'm missing?
chris/tx
Maybe this is why Melissa has practiced, and is quite good at, writing my signature.
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Hey bo, DWD, and Kent! (Again off-topic)
Thanks for letting me know the problem was on my end. But now I'm really perplexed.
Clearing the cache didn't help at all, so I decided to re-boot. When I shut down the tabbed browser, suddenly the ZA firewall software popped up to warn me that it had blocked my computer's attempt to connect with www.huffingtonpost.com.
The detailed info on this warning showed that my computer attempted to connect with port 80 of another computer, calling itself huffintonpost, but using an invalid address -- 70.183.191.23 -- an address reserved by the IANA and not for regular use.
Supposedly anyone using this address is forging the site.
Anybody got a clue? I ain't as techie as I oughta be, but this sounds sorta hinky.
A "forged address" doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.
Thanks in advance to anybody who cares to advance an explanation or hypothesis!
oh an ocelot--i wondered what it was. cute.
Guess I'll have to catalogue the atrocities
....sourpuss..
Lion kitty protects me - I hope this means that Lion kitty is well.
Damn, I am just realizing how much I've missed y'all and missed being here.
bombing innocents with backpack= evil
bombing innocents with air force= no problem
gary in fl | 07.23.05 - 6:12 pm | #
thanks gary, and may i add:
bombing innocents in london subway=bad
bombing innocents in bagdad restaurant=ok
From the Times of London:
ON THE eve of the anniversary of mainland Europe’s bloodiest terrorist attack, the Spanish Islamic Commission issued a fatwa yesterday against Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader.
Does she need to hire a probate lawyer? Does she get something from a probate lawyer which will allow her to move everything into her name? Anything I'm missing?
chris/tx
Memories of probate law tell me that without a will (did he leave one in his handwriting? Even unsigned, that would work) means it passes under intestacy laws, which means the kids split things with the wife per the statutes.
Probably need a probate lawyer just to get all real property transferred to one person, if the four kids don't want it. Mom gets a survivor's estate in the homestead, but there are questions of transferability of title later that are better resolved now.
Personal property no one will really care about, presumably. If the kids are minors, even the real estate problems are minor (relatively).
But the only way to answer the questions is to get a probate lawyer involved. Unfortunately. Ironic, as Texas law was designed to let you self-probate (although that seldom works out so well, and then only with a well-written will).
FIVE TO THE NOGGIN!
Damn, I am just realizing how much I've missed y'all and missed being here.
Tena
Missed you as well.
How's the weather in the high country?
In the meantime, sadly, we had yesterday's bombing in Egypt and apparently one today in Istanbul Turkey.
The Turkish one is being blamed on Kurdish 'guerillas.'
IT IS MURDER TO KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY ARE A HOMOSEXUAL. ARABS OR IRANIANS ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN GAYS.
4Legs--I guess it's not too Texan around here with Ba'al not chiming in. I must say that Texas Dems are the most stubborn and clear-sighted. I guess you'd have to be, just to stand it.
I come from Florida (now in Atlanta), where nothing has any roots. There's minimal opportunity to make the local the global when the local is zoning on how high the condos.
Anybody got a clue? I ain't as techie as I oughta be, but this sounds sorta hinky.
Indeed, but I got nothing. I presume that you were successfull after the reboot?
If I wasn't all atwitter about these telepathic flys on walls, I might bother to look into it.
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Maybe this is why Melissa has practiced, and is quite good at, writing my signature.
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agave, transendental texan
Well, unless she can get two witnesses and a notary to commit perjury....
"Why don't the muslim "leaders" issue a gaddamn FATWA against the terrorists?"
Actually, over 500 British Moslem leaders issued a fatwah against the terrorist bombings on July 18. Since the bombers were already dead, they did not call for their deaths. This shows that they could not serve in the Bush administration.
But the real question, you're about to say, is what about the Brazilian National Football Team? And you'd be right. Where's their condemnation of Brazilians taking the tube? Ronaldo? Anyone? Thought not.
"Look isn't she cute? She doesn't know she's a dog."
She should look in the fucking mirror more often.
Mrs K8 -
Could be a virus. THere is one that modifies your hosts file (sort of local DNS).
If you are using Microsqaush, try c:windowssystem32driversetc, or just look for a file named 'hosts'. Open it with notepad (not write, wordpad or word) and look for a line with huffingtonpost and remove it. maybe others too, really you probably shouldn't need any addresses listed there for a home system.
huffingtonpost.com is actually at 166.90.137.6.
good luck.
Hey DWD:
Just mailed you two CDs....
the Monks album, and some cool
Dylan outtakes.......
I'm back. Is everyone still sane? Anybody?
I hate those fucking standardized tests.
four legs good
So do I. I was never any good at standardized fuc....
Oh, that's not what you meant!
Sorry.
darn slashes. folder should be c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\
darn slashes. folder should be c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\
Oh, that's not what you meant!
Sorry.
Ferrets! Cue the ferrets! Where the hell are the goddamned ferrets?!
bombing innocents in london subway=bad
bombing innocents in bagdad restaurant=ok
I'm sorry but there were not any "innocents" in Bagdad, they refused to take out Saddam like good little freedom loving minutemen.
Those bunker busters were just the righteous hand of god laying waste to Saddams Gemmorah. /freeptard
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I'm back. Is everyone still sane? Anybody?
mena
kvi**&&6%4!!!**++?>?$%%%$@@@@@ROVE!!!krrrffffghhhhh!
Well, unless she can get two witnesses and a notary to commit perjury....
Rmj, Wandering Aengus
D'oh!
But, that situation was possible at one time.
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Mrs K8
It sounds like a DNS problem to me to.
Some geek speek
Port 80 is used by HTTP for web browsing
IANA = Internet assigned numbers authority.
Not sure how/what is screwing - but if you can use a different DNS - give that a try
Mrs K8
It sounds like a DNS problem to me to.
Some geek speek
Port 80 is used by HTTP for web browsing
IANA = Internet assigned numbers authority.
Not sure how/what is screwing - but if you can use a different DNS - give that a try
Ferrets! Cue the ferrets! Where the hell are the goddamned ferrets?!
watertiger
Showering ferrets. With whiskey.
What donuts are to Homer Simpson....
I hate those fucking standardized tests.
four legs good
yeah, theyve grown from a possibly useful tool to an ideology.
You liberals are enabling the murderers.
Thanks RMJ. No hand written will, but the lawyer that drew up the will said it would stand even without a signature (not that I believe that).
Just wanted to make sure my advice to hire a probate lawyer was sound, and not wasting money. I told her (as you said) that without a will, that the kids could become involved in the 401k money, etc. Sounds like she would be solid on the house and life insurance moneys.
Shaw - I know! Hell in a goddamn handbasket! On a downhill slope!
Western Civilization must stomp them back.
Western Civilization must stomp them back.
IT IS MURDER TO KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY ARE A HOMOSEXUAL. ARABS OR IRANIANS ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN GAYS.
And no one is more important than you.
But really, I just want a couple of those telepathic flies you have developed, they do video don't they?
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Gorgeous Saturday afternoon in
Manhattan.....
just saying......
Thanks RMJ. No hand written will, but the lawyer that drew up the will said it would stand even without a signature (not that I believe that).
well, unless the kids decide they don't like it, or they get less than the statutes would give them under intestacy, that may be true.
Sounds safer to have a probate lawyer, to me.
Kent my dear, you are terrific.
Western Civilization must stomp them back.
I agree. We must stomp the Bush/Blair enablers.
BTW, sweetums, we're not going to support the invasion of Iran.
Go bother people who are gullible fools. You'll be right at home.
" You liberals are enabling the murderers."
--Ô¿Ô
We're trying our best not to. Not one liberal I know voted for Bush in 2000 or 2004 and we certainly didn't approve of his war in Iraq.
I'm sorry but there were not any "innocents" in Bagdad, they refused to take out Saddam like good little freedom loving minutemen.
of course, i forgot! that's why we have to be so thorough in "liberating" them.
/gibson's bitch
America's Nemesis - I wish you'd stick around - I miss you.
chris/tx - get a lawyer. Any probate really should have a lawyer just to make it go smoothly. It's one of those things that people sometimes do without a lawyer, like uncontested divorce. But I wouldn't go through probate without one, even in a straightforward situation. When my mother died, for example. I paid a lawyer to take the estate through probate, and it was cut and dried.
The situation you described is not straightforward and a lawyer is going to be a necessity. The lack of a signature is something that a lawyer needs to deal with.
Re standardized tests--There's no better refuter of them than someone like me who could always size up and ace the test format.
It's easy if that's your lousy "gift."
Why didn't I get a better "gift," such as perfect pitch? Now there's something I'd really have fun art with, unlike a 1550 on the bloody SATs.
Lion kitty protects me - I hope this means that Lion kitty is well.
He's doing pretty good.
I'm just praying for summer to end.
You liberals are enabling the murderers.
And you have enabled the destruction of the module that used to give a fuck what you had to say.
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Gorgeous Saturday afternoon in
Manhattan.....
Please don't rub it in.
Good night all - there is a bottle of Graves in the refrigerator with my name on half of it...
regarding that "5 in the noggin" post below: i want to know why anybody thought that the guy who got killed in the subway WAS connected to the most recent bombings. the only connection i see is that it happened in the subway.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 07.23.05 - 5:57 pm | #
The stated reasons are the following:
1. He was followed by police after leaving an apartment building that the police were staking out in connection with the investigation. No word on how the building was connected to the investigation, nor how many people lived there.
2. He was wearing a large jacket in the middle of the summer. Many here suggested it is common for immigrants from warmer climes to wear jackets during the summer in London... so that isn't necessarily suspect.
3. He "challenged" the police. No idea what that means exactly. They were, apparently in plain clothes, and they did chase him.
It seems clear that he either did not know they were police officers or he thought they were after him for an immigration violation.
If they had good reason for thinking that he had a bomb, then killing him would be excusable, indeed it is what we would expect the police to do.
They need to eventually disclose why they suspected that he had a bomb... so far, all we know is that he ran away from some dudes chasing him in inner-city London and that he came out of a certain apartment building...
I really hope that there is more to this story.
But if you tell me more about project "Fly on the Wall" I maight be conviced to take the gives a damn module in for repairs.
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I'm just sick of living here.
TCM seems to be running the worst movies ever made every Saturday, at around this time. Last week, "Light in the Piazza," this week "The Carpetbaggers."
QL in NY
They're showing "The Magnificent Ambersons" at 8 to make it up to you QL.
I love anything with Joseph Cotton.
I only wish we could see the movie as Welles really intended it.
I'm just praying for summer to end.
I'm sacrificing a pint of haagen daaz coffee ice cream to the air conditioner god.
Have I mentioned that I think
Ray Davies should be knighted?
lb0313,
Thank you, I think.
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bye all.
going swimming.
have fun, and don't pay attention to the troll in the groucho glasses. he ain't worth the effort.
Well one article I read said that it was officers in plain clothes that chased him onto the subway, subdued him and then shot him (They had him pinned down when they shot him). I'm wondering if that was why he didn't stop.
Gorgeous Saturday afternoon in
Manhattan.....
Please don't rub it in.
Shee-it! I'm in Manhattan and I can't even enjoy it.
Memorizing endless reams of bullshit all day long.
So the British police murdered that poor man. Somewhere, a solicitor is thinking, "Ka-CHING!"
Gorgeous Saturday afternoon in
Manhattan.....
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It's beautiful here in WA too. High summer. I've been listening to "Better Things" all day. (Kinks, everyone) Thanks so much.
I don't want to be so sad for the state of the world!
I'm just praying for summer to end.
four legs good
NEVER would have understood that till we moved to SE TX!
I used to dread the end of summer because of impending winter, even in Albuquerque.
It's reversed here.
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Damn, I am just realizing how much I've missed y'all and missed being here.
Tena
And I, for one, missed your clear headed thinking.
mena:
That's a great song....god,
I love that....
Simels,
enjoy the nice weather, teusday evening aught to bring the high heat and humidity.
Sorry. 
PS.
I think Draco feels left out on the cool CD's you send out to the ladies and DWD.
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it is currently < 100 degrees, and < 100% humidity, so i guess that qualifies as a lovely afternoon.
They're showing "The Magnificent Ambersons" at 8 to make it up to you QL.
I love anything with Joseph Cotton.
I only wish we could see the movie as Welles really intended it.
Even as it is, it's a great film.
My favorite Joseph Cotten film is The Third Man.
[cue the zither]
Steve's video pick ---
COLLATERAL.
Tom Cruise is actually good in it.
Jamie Foxx is incredible.
Real twisty, scary, and suspenseful.
And a great sounddtrack....
4 legs--I too wish I could live in Manhattan; had I played my cynical cards smarter 20 years ago, I might have had my (very nasty) Irish grandmother's rent-controlled apartment today. As thing turned out my cousin J sold it for a pittance to support her drug habit
I took a different tack, and now I'm in Atlanta 
But there are good things here--even now I hear songbirds and cicadas daring each other outside my apartment window.
I have ice cream - does anyone need or want any Cold Stone ice cream?
I have waffle cones.
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Chris/tx, I second the advice to retain a lawyer. Intestacy laws vary somewhat from state to state. In some, eg. (I believe) Wisconsin, the spouse automatically inherits all. But things can get weird if don't know the laws and procedures in question. An attorney practicing in probate should be able to walk things through the process with relative ease.
Thanks Tena - I was just telling my wife what RMJ said. My wife had failed to tell me even though the will was not signed, he verbally agreed to the will in front of two witnesses and the lawyer. I guess this is what the lawyer is hanging his hat on.
The reason the will is important is one son (oldest) is already saying his dad promised to give him the rent house his parents own and he lives in. I'm just trying to make sure she gets everything as she still has two children to put through college, and is years away from retirement.
Anyway, I'm going to make sure she follows through with hiring a probate lawyer as you both (RMJ/Tena) think it is the best thing to do. And because the estate is fairly large.
We're trying our best not to. Not one liberal I know voted for Bush in 2000 or 2004 and we certainly didn't approve of his war in Iraq.
mer
I voted for Clinton both times. Gore and then Kerry. After Colin Powell's presentation, I at first supported the war in Iraq. When it became clear it was turning out false, hindsight is 20/20, I no longer did. I wish I could say as many here, I knew all along it was false. God bless y'all.
yeah, right
My favorite Joseph Cotten film is The Third Man.
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One of my own top five. Alida Valli was a goddess.
Good to see that they, and their friends-in-disguise here are proving once more why we British really should give the US right the finger. Watch Blair fall soon, and it's all thanks to you guys. Berlusconi's wobbling too... Keep up the bad work, terrorist enabling assholes!
America's Nemesis | 07.23.05 - 6:12 pm | #
can't argue with that. any notions what we could do with pres. dumbass to go him to go weeble wobble? i mean besides riding a bike.
Kent --
I left a post for Draco on a another
thread....I'd be happy to put
together a CD for him......
Hi Incog --
I've been re-reading Burroughs & it's all your fault! I am almost through "The Gods of Mars" -- John Carter sure gets knocked unconscious a lot (not that he is too bright when he is conscious)
You are right that a lot of Christians have been critical of what we are doing in Iraq (I'm one, myself) & I've seen Muslim groups aplenty critical of the terrorist attacks, but I've never seen reference to an anti-terroist "fatwa" -- any clarifications on this?
Dante's Peak is on and the lovers in the hotsprings about to be fried.....
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ONE FOR THE WINGNUTS……………….
Your Dear leader is very friendly with the Italian’s. But the wing nuts are going to be ape shit when they hear the news out of Italy today.
Inter Milan, one of Italy’s biggest football teams have cancelled their tour of England because of the bombings in London. Mayor Ken Livingstone (not from wing nut central) has accused the Italians of letting the terrorists win.
So, stand by for an O’Riley special on dumping Italian wine and pasta. Will the wing nuts stop buying their Ferraris?
I am hating Texas this week.
Hate it, hate it, hate it.
Memorizing endless reams of bullshit all day long.
So the British police murdered that poor man. Somewhere, a solicitor is thinking, "Ka-CHING!"
res ipsa loquitur
This one is beginning to think like a lawyer.
Next: the ferrets.
SS,
glad to hear, us murder enablers can't leave anyone off of the list.
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How's the weather in the high country?
flory, it's glorious. Something rolled in while I was downtown and it's about 58 and cloudy and there was some rain already and I think more is coming.
I really didn't think I could take many more nights in the 60's. It will be great sleeping weather tonight.
Thing about the temperature up here is that at 80-something, you cook because the sun is just brutal up here.
I'm going to take my bad mood and go do some laundry.
My favorite Joseph Cotten film is The Third Man.
"The cuckoo clock".
Keep up the bad work, terrorist enabling assholes!
America's Nemesis
Yeah, and right back attcha with my boot up your asshole.
After Colin Powell's presentation, I at first supported the war in Iraq.
When did this thread turn to the topic of gullibility?
I'm helping one of my wife's friends that lost her husband after a brief illness. He got a will, but slipped into a coma before signing it.
NY: failure of due execution.
Get thee to a lawyer.
Okay, fun seekers --
off to quaff elitist chardonnay
with my satanic commie friends....
See you in a couple of hours.....
"In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed -- they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
-- Harry Lime (Orson Welles), The Third Man
The Magnificent Ambersons
Scissored to kingdom come by boneheads.
steve simels--Have you seen me offering $25 for a burned CD as you make for the ladies?
I say I helped your career and made your nestegg by recommending you and Lester Bangs to potential Stereo Review subscribers in the 70s
Imagine what inflation-adjusted riches you've earned from me!
OK, so we've settled how rich you are and what you owe me. Burn me a fun CD and I'll donate $25 to a charity of your choice, including such a charity as simelsrent.org
Steve Simels,
Rented Collateral last week. Quite good. Madame Omnibus pointed out that the reason Cruise wasn't bad was that he did not grin throughout the film. Fantastic soundtrack, as you said.
OK folks, I'm behind
I do think it would be excellent to have some sane Muslims issue a fatwa against Bin Laden
OK folks, I'm behind
I do think it would be excellent to have some sane Muslims issue a fatwa against Bin Laden
GWPDA,
as far as Chocolate Creek is concerned, I might suggest wiring up reflectometers (gadjets that let you know how much light reflects off of a face) to claymores surrounding the perimeter. That way, if it ain't white, claymores a'light.
we might have to come up with something special in my case however.
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Kent™ Embigulator
Oooooooh, I've been out paddling in the pool. But didn't I tell you before of my great fear of the blue-eyed devils? The only folk likely to come calling up North are Blackfeet and Hutterites - and Hutterites work outside so much they tend to be sort of reddish-burntish-brown. My pipple! White folks pretty much scare me. They do very strange things and don't know how to make decent enchiladas. Mostly.
So, stand by for an O’Riley special on dumping Italian wine and pasta. Will the wing nuts stop buying their Ferraris?
Oh yeah, what did the wingnuts say when their idiot boy leader told American servicepeople stationed in Britain to stay out of London?
An umbrella is of no avail against a Scotch Mist.
Bloody hell--simels just popped in and out? I'll never forgive him for this
I have waffle cones.
==
How do we know you're the real Walter Neff, and not "Walter Neff", his evil twin? Hmmm? How can we be sure those really ARE waffle cones?
The LA times via yahoo news ...
CIA Leak Investigation Turns to Possible Perjury, Obstruction
http://tinyurl.com/8l6qv
Check out the noted librul Mickey Kaus:
Mickey [kaus]: Who do you hate?
Ana Marie [Wonkette] (after a pause to think, and a comment that Bush is actually quite personable): I just can't stand Jonah Goldberg...
Mickey: Really? I think he's incredibly talented.
frank rich's new column is up and it's good -- 'eight days in july'.
in it, he reminds of something i had forgotten. it took alberto gonzalez 12 hours before he advised the white house to retain all documents relating to the plame affair.
Jean Charles de Menezes, a 27-year-old Brazilian citizen.
Yes, well, this precise sort of "tragedy" happens when the British police force begins behaving like Americans.
In my city here in the "land of the free" the shooting of unarmed American citizens, who are predominantly black or brown, are shot dead by white police officers who "shoot-to-kill" at the slightest provocation.
Moreover, these appalling slayings of unarmed black and brown people by trigger-happy white police officers -- incidents that have occurred multiiple times in my city during the past decade -- have resulted in the police enjoying full exoneration and absolution in each and every case by the required but perfunctory "police inquiry."
The police investigate themselves and exonerate themselves -- and no police officer has ever been held responsible or accountable. If it is later discerned that the dead person was suffering from mental illness -- which has been the case in a number of instances -- the police might offer a mild apology followed by strong declarations of justification for shooting first and asking questions later.
The Brits would do well to abandon American trigger-happy policing in London and throughout the UK and return to a more sane and rational method of detection, apprehension, and incarceration.
The Brits, at least, have the decency to apologize for the trigger-happy behavior of their policemen and to rightly call the event a "tragedy." Surely, that is light years beyond what their American counterparts are inclined to do.
Still, Mr. Menezes is dead at the age of 27 -- innocent, walking in the vicinity of a tube station, and suddenly chased onto a train and shot dead with five bullets to the head because he was "suspected" of some involvement in the bombing plots, and, yes, for looking like he just might be Muslim.
So, the late Mr. Menezes has been absolved and declared innocent by the same police force whose officer decided that he was guilty and deserving of execution in public without a trial or due process.
It's so sad. But, now that the 27 year-old Mr. Menezes has been absolved of any guilt by the London police, he is too dead to enjoy his newly-redeemed innocence.
For shame!
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They need to eventually disclose why they suspected that he had a bomb... so far, all we know is that he ran away from some dudes chasing him in inner-city London and that he came out of a certain apartment building...
I really hope that there is more to this story.
spiritraveller
my notion was that he was coming out of a building where they had been watching suspects from the bombings.
But with the nation tense and jittery after the repeat attacks and the shooting itself, Mr. Blair was expected to confront political passions likely to be inflamed by what his critics are depicting as excesses of a war on terrorism.
NYT in case no one has seen it.
really, i think they just fucked up.
once here in fla. the cops shot a japanese exchange student leaving a party that had become disorderly. they asked him to stop, he didn't understand. boom.
"There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those reasons clear."
I'm sure that the moment they saw this the LAPD threw a fit. I'm betting they didn't know they could do that? Why beat a man to death with a baton on the streets when you can just put 5 caps in his ass at point blank and spare yourself the lawsuit.
It's easier to videotape a several moment beating than being on the spot for a split second assasination.
MYOB'
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When did this thread turn to the topic of gullibility?
patriotboy
I don't remember any on the left saying he was wrong but only warning about the consequences. Where were you?
White folks pretty much scare me. They do very strange things and don't know how to make decent enchiladas. Mostly.
Well then I guess we can calibrate the reflectometer to a different standard, of course with some way for the "good white people" not to have there remains scattered to oblivion.
Hutterites, are they a northern version of the Amish/Mennonite way of life?
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This just in: London to be renamed New East Oakland.
I have had three Ramos Margaritas from Azteca (Seattle readers will appreciate the reference).
I am feeling muy fantástico.
Has my brother been by?
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So the guy gunned down wasn't a terr'ist after all.
I kinda thought as much, since there wasn't ANYTHING saying that he was carrying any weapons.
Earlier I read report with cast suspicion on him because before he was gunned down someone thought he had looked very frightened.
Yeah, you're being chased by guys with guns, I'd have a very frightened look on my face too!
Jeebus wept.
"They need to eventually disclose why they suspected that he had a bomb..."
Yeah!
All I have to do is a see a guy with a basketball to know he's black.
All they do now is see a guy with a thick coat on to know he's a suicide bomber.
They should keep this up.
If city police started shooting everyone they saw with long trench coats they could soon be rid of all the city's flasher pervert population in minutes!
MYOB'
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The Brits would do well to abandon American trigger-happy policing in London
According to The Guardian, it was Israeli-style trigger-happy policing.
I do think it would be excellent to have some sane Muslims issue a fatwa against Bin Laden
Prior Aelred
And why not?
Prior A,
Scroll up to my post:
Diane | Email | Homepage | 07.23.05 - 6:10 pm | #
According to The Guardian, it was Israeli-style trigger-happy policing.
Uncle Smokes
Which, as has been noted, was working so well for Israel...
Will we ever have the full story on why Mr.Menezes was shot dead?
Blame the police - for killing innocents and for not protecting innocents against killers. Easy stuff. What, do you prefer your streets roaming with trigger-happy cops or with homeboyz playing Billy the Kid?
If city police started shooting everyone they saw with long trench coats they could soon be rid of all the city's flasher pervert population in minutes!
And an unfortunate(?) side effect would be the extermination of the population of Matrix wannabees.
Latest BBC International on NPR said the guy had previously been seen at once of the houses under surviellance, not that it justifies offing him.
If you missed yesterday's free ice cream, go to my homepage for thirty seconds of ice cream and musette bliss.
I don't remember any on the left saying he was wrong but only warning about the consequences. Where were you?
Ô¿Ô | 07.23.05 - 6:55 pm | #
i was saying he was wrong. so were many others. he was wrong, and many of said so at the time. otherwise, why would they have been trying so hard to convince us? saddam's regime had been virtually destroyed by the first gulf war and the draconian sanctions. powell and rice said so in 2000. pretending that everyone bought that the vial of talcum powder proved the existance of tons of anthrax is just wrong. that is also why so many of us were and are furious at the dems in congress who went along with this madness.
so leave the revisionist history behind. don't pretend it was 100% approval of the bush/cheney magic show.
I'm going to puss out of this caterwauling. Not much claws to continue.
You know, it's statements like this that give me paws...
According to The Guardian, it was Israeli-style trigger-happy policing.
Uncle Smokes
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In the eyes of the rest of the world, probably not a whole hell of a lot of difference.
Where were you?
You best not go there. I'll just say that if I was a betting man, I would bet that the party to which you ask the question, was not as gullable as you were.
just sayin'
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If you missed yesterday's free ice cream, go to my homepage for thirty seconds of ice cream and musette bliss.
Well, crap.
Yesterday, I could have used it! The weather's cooled off significantly today.
Thanks, though.
Yeah, muslim clerics issue the standard condmenations of violence. That's just for Western consumption. They say one thing outside and another thing inside the mosque.
Diane --
Thanks -- sorry about the double post (damn you haloscan, etc.)
Incog, did you misread what I wrote? Or do you really refuse to agree with a straight person on principle?
If you want to disagree with me you can go back to attacking Iraq -- I was against it -- I was even against attacking Afghanistan (but in favor of trying to improve the plight of women long before any RePuke ever gave a shit)
"White folks pretty much scare me. They do very strange things and don't know how to make decent enchiladas. Mostly."
White people can't jump or dance either.
MYOB'
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God makes sech nights all white and still. Moonshine and snow on every hill, all silent and a-glisten.
Guardian:
London's Mayor Ken Livingstone called the killing a "human tragedy."
I really hate it when people say shit like this.
A little kid dying of lukemia is tragic.
Famines are tragic.
Five shots in the back of the head is murder.
Ô¿Ô | 07.23.05 - 7:02 pm | #
smells of namestealer
They say one thing outside and another thing inside the mosque.
And you know this how?
Issue a goddamn fatwa, muslim clerics against blowing the limbs off people on their way to work. Just once, for petesake, issue a gaddamn fatwa against those who would do that. And while you're at it, issue a gaddamn fatwa for those who would murder gays, for well, being gay.
Hutterites, are they a northern version of the Amish/Mennonite way of life?
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For Hutterites, see this. And this:
The Hutterites
The Hutterites are a religious sect founded by Jakob Hutter in 1528. Devoted to a communal existence, they follow early Christian values. Their deeply held beliefs include:
* separation of church and state
* communal, rural and agricultural living
* communal property ownership
* non-violence and opposition to war
In 1918, large numbers of Hutterites emigrated to Canada from the United States, after their refusal to participate in military service resulted in persecution and harassment in America.
During World War II, their refusal to participate in the Canadian military produced similar resentment in Canada.
Hutterites have settled mainly in Alberta and Manitoba. The majority of the world's Hutterites - more than 25,000 people - now live in Canada.
Want to know more?
The Law Against the Hutterites, 1942
Doukhobors without the nekkidness!
CIA Leak Investigation Turns to Possible Perjury, Obstruction
http://tinyurl.com/8l6qv
Richard
Those damn activist Judges and Libruls are tring to make politics illegal!!
And look what they are trying to do to poor Tom Delay!
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Hey Walter Neff ... Today is the first day my legs aren't the color of Chinese roast pork.
Ô¿Ô | 07.23.05 - 7:02 pm | #
Troll, no one is going to support war against Iran.
How many times do you want this repeated?
What, do you prefer your streets roaming with trigger-happy cops or with homeboyz playing Billy the Kid?
So it's just an either/or proposition. Damn thinking like that makes the world alot simpler.
I've got to make a trip to the optometrist, cause I just see all these colors when clearly I should only be seeing the world in black and white.
Thanks, I thought something was screwy in my head.
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"What, do you prefer your streets roaming with trigger-happy cops or with homeboyz playing Billy the Kid?
hottub | Email | 07.23.05 - 6:59 pm | #"
Uh, "No!"?
Jeepers H. Christmas. If the Israeli standard for offing mere suspects becomes acceptable we have gone over a cliff. Every time there is an Israeli killed by a Palestinian, 16 houses are blown up and children die. I'm casting a wide net, but you get my drift.
If you missed yesterday's free ice cream, go to my homepage for thirty seconds of ice cream and musette bliss.
And the trolls can cool off with Star Spangled Ice Cream.
[Hmmm...two years back they had "Air Force Over-The-Rainbow Sherbet...guess someone clued them in on the Friends of Dorothy implications.]
They say one thing outside and another thing inside the mosque.
And you know this how?
SteveNS
BECAUSE NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM CLERIC HAS CONDEMNED OSAMA BIN LADEN, EVER, AND NOT ONE HAS ISSUED THE FIRST FATWA AGAINST MURDERES BLOWING UP PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, THAT'S HOW.
Every time there is an Israeli killed by a Palestinian, 16 houses are blown up and children die. I'm casting a wide net, but you get my drift.
I'm thinking it's time to drop a nuke on Aruba!
"What, do you prefer your streets roaming with trigger-happy cops or with homeboyz playing Billy the Kid?
hottub | Email | 07.23.05 - 6:59 pm | #"
trigger-happy cops = dead black folk
homeboyz playing Billy the Kid = dead black folk
Seems to be an equal outcome either way?
MYOB'
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Hey Walter Neff ... Today is the first day my legs aren't the color of Chinese roast pork.
If I knew what that meant I would post a witty reply.
GWPDA, you might want to think about having me along up there in the frozen wastes. I've been up here in the PNW for more than 20 years, so I'm pretty acclimatized. I'm little, but I'm wiry, and I can build, plus I cook, well, Good, if I say so myself. I mean , if kent gets to come, why can't we make it a party?
BECAUSE NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM CLERIC HAS CONDEMNED OSAMA BIN LADEN, EVER, AND NOT ONE HAS ISSUED THE FIRST FATWA AGAINST MURDERES BLOWING UP PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, THAT'S HOW.
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Merkin Patriot, is that you?
Echo...
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And one more thing:
This "tragedy" -- and it certainly is that and an outrage as well! -- is exactly what happens when the police behave like "terrorists."
I believe it's called "state-sponsored terrorism" when police officers are given orders to "shoot-to-kill" unarmed citizens.
Finally, the innocent Mr. Menezes, age 27, is still dead and no apology can change that!
The BBC article does suggest, however, that the police officers will be brought to justice for their reckless and violent behavior -- and that would be a refreshing change from what occurs in my American city with shocking frequency.
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Thanks, I thought something was screwy in my head.
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Kent™ Embigulator
Sokay - the ArtFarm is still there and there are lots of different colours around.
Off to take out the calabacitas and make sure the short, hairy guy I live with has his dinner.
ARTHUR!!!! DINNER!!!
BECAUSE NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM CLERIC HAS CONDEMNED OSAMA BIN LADEN
Funny you should mention that.
George W. Bush:
Osama who?
They say one thing outside and another thing inside the mosque.
And you know this how?
It's obvious, Incog has a legion of telepathic flies that he commands to sit on the walls of every mosque in the entire world, and they report back to him what they see and hear.
And I want one. Or maybe three, for my own nefarious purposes.
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If I knew what that meant I would post a witty reply.
I was alluding to my accident of the other evening. In other words, the burns are now sort of a dusty rose color, as opposed to bright red.
BECAUSE NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM CLERIC HAS CONDEMNED OSAMA BIN LADEN, EVER, AND NOT ONE HAS ISSUED THE FIRST FATWA AGAINST MURDERES BLOWING UP PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, THAT'S HOW.
Ô¿Ô | 07.23.05 - 7:07 pm | #
Not true.
This line is used as often as the one saying liberals hate america and that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.
MYOB'
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SteveNS: BECAUSE NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM CLERIC HAS CONDEMNED OSAMA BIN LADEN, EVER, AND NOT ONE HAS ISSUED THE FIRST FATWA AGAINST MURDERES BLOWING UP PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, THAT'S HOW.
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"What, do you prefer your streets roaming with trigger-happy cops or with homeboyz playing Billy the Kid?
Metro areas seem to have ample instances of both. They sure ain't mutually exclusive.
Meanwhile, in Iraq:
BAGHDAD, Iraq, July 23 -
They just keep getting stronger.
Despite months of assurances that their forces were on the wane, the guerrillas and terrorists battling the American-backed enterprise here appear to be growing more violent, more resilient and more sophisticated than ever. More: NYT.
mena!!!
DINNER!!!!!
(you know how to make enchiladas, right? - what about mulch? )
Even Fox news ran a favourable story on Dean today, so I guess his big tent strategy is working. Fox likes the sweet talk to the right-wing pro-life fundies.
Imagine Falwell and Dobson as Democrats, is that a compromise you would support.
Draco,
I think you missed the point on the music. If you want some, let me (or Steve) know and I am sure one will be coming your way. The problem is that it is legal to share music with your friends, it is patently illegal to charge for the same.
But, and I think I speak for Steve here as well, it is a JOY to share. I have made CDs for NYMary, QLin NY, Steve, Her Eyes on the Horizon and others. I get a kick out of doing it and it costs next to nothing.
Not true.
This line is used as often as the one saying liberals hate america and that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.
MYOB'
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MYOB
Oh, I'm unaware of a single fatwa against the terrorists. Please inform me.
res,
eeewww! ooooouch! Didn't hear about that, thought you were alluding to sunburn.
Doukhobors without the nekkidness!
I thought those were the peeps, I had read about many moons ago.
If I am not mistaken, they have a presence in Minnesota, which is really just a southern province.
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Despite months of assurances that their forces were on the wane, the guerrillas and terrorists battling the American-backed enterprise here appear to be growing more violent, more resilient and more sophisticated than ever.
It is, after all, their country.
Eff the effers who pretend that America can defeat them.
Vietnam. Vietnam. Vietnam.
Ya know, I don't see anyone in the Bush administration condeming violence against gays. And I don't see any one on the right fighting gainst hate crimes either.
I think we should nuke Atlanta and DC.
(you know how to make enchiladas, right? - what about mulch? )
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I really don't like to call another woman "honey", but oh, honey.
They say one thing outside and another thing inside the mosque.
Ô¿Ô | 07.23.05 - 7:02 pm | #
Are you sure you're not talking about the Bush administration and simply got the word's mosque and white house mixxed up?
I know that happens alot since they do tend to call the Bush family the Omars of the east coast.
MYOB'
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Condemnations, anyone?
SteveNS
Yeah, they do that. Anybody can do that which they always oily do. I want a goddamn fatwa issued on their asses.
Ô¿Ô | 07.23.05 - 7:12 pm | #
Numerous people have provided you with the info.
Do you want me to shout?
BECAUSE NOT ONE SINGLE M--
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He who goes oftest around the horn goes most circumspectly.
Ô¿Ô:
Echo...
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Fatwa against bin Laden:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/eu...id.anniversary/
Do you want me to shout?
Don't bother. Just ignore.
London's Mayor Ken Livingstone called the killing a "human tragedy."
I really hate it when people say shit like this.
I'd never make it a a cop, for sure. I thought they shot this guy in the head several times. Do I recall that correctly? Oy. It's insane that anyone has to make a spot judgement about having bombs blow up in a train or killing an innocent kid who freaked out. I had a bad dream about that last night.
Kent,
I am not sure if you know this, but in my teaching job I work deeply immersed in the African American community. I have done so for my entire professional life. (into my third decade now)
I have been thinking that if I were a black person I would be much more paranoid at this juncture than ever before. It is not so much the DWB thing as it is something much much deeper. This hatred of people who are not like "them" is positively frightening. Killing is okay, as long as it is someone of color - seems to be their mindset.
Are you sure you're not talking about the Bush administration and simply got the word's mosque and white house mixxed up?
I know that happens alot since they do tend to call the Bush family the Omars of the east coast.
I want a goddamn fatwa from the muslim clerics against the murderous terrorists blowing the limbs off folks on their way to work. Not one, in all this time, has been offered. Not even one against osama bin laden. Never.
res --
how your legs feeling
been praying for your success
when's D-Day?
(gotta run to community recreation -- I'm late)
res:
I apologize - my memory is being hampered by its inate shortness and three margaritas. I am pleased to learn you're doing better - that must have hurt like a son of a Barbara Bush. You were very quick thinking in jumping in the cold shower.
Extra ice cream for you.
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Wonder if the Russians refer to Iraq as America's Afghanistan?
Not one, in all this time, has been offered. Not even one against osama bin laden. Never.
"And no matter how many times you show me that this is a lie, I will continue to say 'never' until it becomes true."
Thank you, Prior A, for the prayers.
Thank you, Walter Neff, for the ice cream.
And now I must go back to memorizing crap.
Enjoy your margaritas, Walter.
GWPDA ... I have a bottle of Bush Mills for you .
People, please, ignore the troll. He is NOT going to listen to reason.
Let's just talk intelligently amongst ourselves.
I know i'm more scared of cops than terrorists.
No hot woman has ever refused my pleas for a date. Not one. Never.
Hey dave, will you at least issue a fatwa against osama bin laden instead of a limp dick standard condemnation? Since muslim clerics anywhere in the world, wont?
Ô¿Ô - fatwa against bin Laden link:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/eu...id.anniversary/
Back in the old days, when I first went on the internets, I went via AOL. They had this neat thing in the chat rooms, an IGNORE button that would not show the offender's posts at all.
While I would never consider going back to AOL, I sure wouldn't mind Haloscan coming up with such a feature. It might save a lot of threads.
Jeepers H. Christmas. If the Israeli standard for offing mere suspects becomes acceptable we have gone over a cliff. Every time there is an Israeli killed by a Palestinian, 16 houses are blown up and children die. I'm casting a wide net, but you get my drift.
The Israelis learned this trick from our friends in the Gestapo.
Which is quite ironic, don't you think?
Good vibes in your direction, res ipsa - someone I worked with once said I had a memory fit to play blackjack, but I knew it could be unreliable in the extreme... good luck.
What, do you prefer your streets roaming with trigger-happy cops or with homeboyz playing Billy the Kid?
hottub
Are those the only choices?
You'll be great, RIL!
What, do you prefer your streets roaming with trigger-happy cops or with homeboyz playing Billy the Kid?
So, there's only 2 choices? Funny, Mr. de Menezes doesn't fit either one - how does that work, then? Is everything in your universe 2-dimensional? That might explain it.
I'm being grossed out. I can't believe I ever called myself a liberal. Most of you make me want to puke. Not one of you have ANSWERED A GODDAMN QUESTION I ASKED!! FUCK YOU!!
I want a goddamn fatwa from the muslim clerics against the murderous terrorists blowing the limbs off folks on their way to work. Not one, in all this time, has been offered. Not even one against osama bin laden. Never.
Earlier in this thread, I posted a link to a Times story about one.
Here's another from Al Jazeera.
Res, I have been incommunicado for about a week. I gather you had an accident? Burns? Nasty.
If I would have known, I would have sent good VIBES your way earlier. Never too late though.
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The British will go bat-shit crazy over their 9/11 in their own particular way.
Most of you make me want to puke. Not one of you have ANSWERED A GODDAMN QUESTION I ASKED!! FUCK YOU!!
...Mom?
They pass where they want, and they hide in their skulls, a vague astronomy of shapeless pistols.
Joking, of course. My Mom was a lovely woman, God rest her soul.
Oh Ô¿Ô, calm down, please.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/eu...id.anniversary/
dendrite
"Sorry, page not found." I'm sure it was by prominent clerics and was very widespread, though.
Incog, go dry out.
fat·wa (fätwä) KEY
NOUN:
A legal opinion or ruling issued by an Islamic scholar.
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ETYMOLOGY:
Arabic fatw, legal opinion; see ptw in Semitic roots
http://education.yahoo.com/refer...try?
id=f0053150
I'm sure it was by prominent clerics and was very widespread, though.
Someone wanna help me move this other goalpost?
Mrs. K8 the link at www.huffingtonpost.com loads sucessfully for me in both the mozilla-firefox and konqueror web browsers.
In addition a query for that domain at netcraft.com indicates that that it hasn't been down recently. That huffingtonpost site is hosted by akamai tech, which also makes it less likely that the site has gone done (akamai specializes in high reliability web hosting)
I'd clear out the cookies and cache in the browser you are using, and see if that helps.
Other things to try. Regardless of which web browser you are using, it's possible that something has corrupted or damaged it. Try downloading (if you haven't already,) the firefox and opera web browsers and see if they work.
I have been thinking that if I were a black person I would be much more paranoid at this juncture than ever before. It is not so much the DWB thing as it is something much much deeper. This hatred of people who are not like "them" is positively frightening. Killing is okay, as long as it is someone of color - seems to be their mindset.
DWD,
I am well aware of, and applaud your work as a teacher to inner city children.
and as a product of miscegenation, I often witness a vapor lock of fear that I have taken to characterizing as a circular loop "Is it nigger, wetback, or kayda?"
It was so much easier 20 years ago when the bigots just knew me as Nigger.
I must admit to the fear of being profiled as an enemy combatant.
So I would say you are pretty much on the money, 'ceptin that the fear of unambiguous black folk, in the mind of the mothbreathing mindset, has taken a backseat to fear of brown people.
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What, you want me to write a frickin' treatise on "the shades of grey for all to know on their way to an appointment with the optometrist"?
You live in NYC under Giuliani, you get trigger-happy cops.
You live in DC under dope-fiend Marion and you get homeyz roamin'round.
I'll take Giuliani's NYC - you can improve the police - not gangs - by making them less brutal.
Why do you think leftist chickenshits like yourself react at all to police brutality - you do it because in the hope that it'll be rectified. This is what happens in democracies with open societies.
Like Israel. I'll take the Israeli standard any day over the Palestinians' barbaric honor code and culture of death.
Israelis debate these things in the open like Americans - and I respect your right to differ from me even though I think you're chickenshit. But that's just my opinion - even chickenshit has the right to participate in democratic debate.
What is you final solution to the Muslim problem, Incog?
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, an INNOCENT man was gunned down...
I know that tommorrow morning, when I peruse the headlines, there will be PLENTY of condemnations from the Christian clergy.
I'll just skip them.
Wonder if the Russians refer to Iraq as America's Afghanistan?
Nah, they refer to Afghanistan as America's Afghanistan...
I wish someone would make me some enchiladas.
You live in NYC under Giuliani, you get trigger-happy cops.
You live in DC under dope-fiend Marion and you get homeyz roamin'round.
Interesting.
Oh Ô¿Ô, calm down, please.
mer
What have I written that was untrue or what question have I asked that was answered? There are some real issues here that must be addressed. I don't like the knee-jerk reaction from the left that the officers were to blame. I'm sick of the reaction that muslims are not to blame for anything. That's they're "alienated' away from their own countries. It's the "West's fault for not assimilating them." Fuck that. If they do that shit here, and we all mostly came from other places, then I'm really going to go ballistic.
So I would say you are pretty much on the money, 'ceptin that the fear of unambiguous black folk, in the mind of the mothbreathing mindset, has taken a backseat to fear of brown people - Kent
For now. . . (you know?)
I wish someone would make me some enchiladas.
four legs good - They're in the deep freeze. Drop by around dinnertime and they're yours.
Wonder if the Russians refer to Iraq as America's Afghanistan?
Zbigniew Brzezinski says that we prompted the USSR into Afghanistan to give them their own Vietnam.
Wheels within wheels...
Wonder if the Russians refer to Iraq as America's Afghanistan?
No, they refer to it as america's clusterfuck.
Excuse me, america's self-inflicted clusterfuck.
PS: Bring sour cream
kent - it's fun being an actual arab in this country, too.
Still, there are many good, decent, thinking people in this country. These events are MEANT to divide us. To refuse to allow that, I think, is one potent weapon we do have.
,i>GWPDA ... I have a bottle of Bush Mills for you .
res ipsa loquitur - Ooooooooooooooooooh!
four legs good - They're in the deep freeze. Drop by around dinnertime and they're yours.
cool.
Will you be insulted if I wait until the temperature in your neighborhood isn't so hellish?
GWPDA, Is your ranch in Alberta still available? I keep as my wallpaper because it is such an attraction to think of a place where people might live their lives, loved and respected and without fear with people who feel the same.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar,
I buy from the Hutterites. (there's some of their colonies here) whenever possible. mostly fowl and produce. Invaribly, the quality of the food I get from them is superior to about anything else avalible.
BTW, GWPDA, Did you watch the French movie, A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT yet? Mrs. DWD and I watched it a while ago and I thought of you as the backdrop and the reason for the movie was WWI.
Ô¿Ô,
Your question has been answered several times. A fatwa is an opinion by an Islamic legal scholar. Many examples were included in the links people provided.
And with respect to the London shooting, no Muslim was involved, so it is extraordinarily difficult for a Muslim to be at fault.
oh hottub, ya big lug, we love you,too...
but only for your beautiful mind.
I know i'm more scared of cops than terrorists.
gary in fl
oh yeah. and the bush administration. and come to think about peoples proclivity to go all hysterical in the face of crisis.
listening to new yorkers talk about how they are glad to have there bags searched because it's necessary. fuck that. like to see the numbers on that. at any rate, won't work.
Cameras everywhere.
"In general, I think we're getting used to cameras. Hey, that's just the way the world is," said Roy Bordes, who runs an Orlando, Fla.-based security design consultant firm. how convenient.
Later Moonbats
I'm enjoying some spritely and sun filtered Stéphane Grappelli on iTunes. Anyone care to join me? Or is everyone wallowing tonight
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I'm being grossed out. I can't believe I ever called myself a liberal.
register as a repuke and run off to the sypathetic muslim hatin' arms of LGF.
I am certainly not gonna change my political viewpoints because a bunch of centrist dems piss me off, do what you must my fellow traveler.
PS.
you may actually wish to read more of the posts, as you have seemed to miss several links that nice people have posted in responce to your repeated quearies.
But then again, I guess It would not be all about you.
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Why don't the muslim "leaders" issue a gaddamn FATWA against the terrorists? Do you know, that not one single one in the entire muslim world has ever condemned the actions of osama bin laden? Not one single muslim leader has ever condemned what he caused?
As mentioned upthread, some Muslim councils have come out against violence.
Fareed Zakaria (sp?) on Daily Show this week mentioned that there is no "pope" in the Muslim world who can put out a Grand Unified Thou Shalt Not policy on terrorism.
What Zakaria added was something encouraging that I hadn't heard before. That moderate voices are rising in Islam to say, "no, this terrorism activity is a real problem. it is destroying what we stand for."
Hopefully, there is a silver lining that more moderate voices will rise and they will come to power in Muslim countries. Zakaria also mentioned that the hardcore Muslim parties typically go down in flames whenever there is a democratic election.
Dim rays of hope, but the simple truth that change will have to come from the Muslim community, and not from Anglos dropping bombs on brown people.
They shall not pass.
I hope that this doesn't sound too disrespectful but this regretable incident reminds me of the "Gunslinger" episode of MST3K, where a man walks out of a bank and get immediately gunned down by Beverly Gardner.
And one of the bots says something like, "well, I'm pretty sure he was committing a crime."
" I don't like the knee-jerk reaction from the left that the officers were to blame. I'm sick of the reaction that muslims are not to blame for anything."
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Having read the comments in this thread and the one below, I don't get the feeling that everyone "is blaming" the officers. My feeling is that they were assuming he had a bomb under his jacket and were scared shitless. With everything else that has occurred in London the last two weeks, I can understand--sorta. I agree with many here that police are trained not to pull a gun a kill someone for merely running away. This was knee-jerk reaction to me, and police shouldn't be police, if that is their nature.
(you know how to make enchiladas, right? - what about mulch? )
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So, you know about mulch? This could work.
.Someone wanna help me move this other goalpost?
My back is a bit iffy at the moment, but sure, if it is not too heavy, and you can assure me that the goalpost is not my brother.
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why haven't they put out a fatwa on bush?
My back is a bit iffy at the moment, but sure, if it is not too heavy, and you can assure me that the goalpost is not my brother.
What we need is an Ensmallinizer. 
No minor or major muslim cleric has issued a fatwa agains the murdering terrorists. What, some black muslims here have?
kent - you've earned a rest. Sit back, have a drink, feet up.
Just don't eat any of "Walter Neff"'s "ice cream", if you get my drift....
What Zakaria added was something encouraging that I hadn't heard before. That moderate voices are rising in Islam to say, "no, this terrorism activity is a real problem. it is destroying what we stand for."
Actual Christians had better step up to the plate.
They have, actually, but the media ignores them.
Like they ignore actual Muslims.
Israelis debate these things in the open like Americans - and I respect your right to differ from me even though I think you're chickenshit. But that's just my opinion - even chickenshit has the right to participate in democratic debate.
Fine, I'm a chickenshit, (been called worse) and I appreciate your recognition of my rights.
You're a white guy aren't you?
Just askin'
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Or is everyone wallowing tonight
Nah, i'm in the kitchen (barefoot, but not pregnant - well, pregnant with errant thoughts, but that's about it) prepping 3 different pasta dishes (gnocchi with pesto, ravioli with prosciutto and peas in a light cream sauce, and a pasta aioli with asparagus, calamata olives and grape tomatoes) for tomorrow's wine-tasting adventure.
Because that's the kind of person I am.
This was knee-jerk reaction to me, and police shouldn't be police, if that is their nature.
mer
I respect that. I wouldn't want to be doing what they're doing so I will always err on their side, for now.
Ô¿Ô | 07.23.05 - 7:38 pm
Crazy. Rove must be driving you crazy.
Hilarious.
All the major problems of violence in this world arise from tribalism issues.
These issues can arise out of any factor that allows people to identify with a particular group. Sports teams, political ideology, race... but most importantly, religion.
I have no problem saying fuck you to a fundamentalist muslim any more than I would saying fuck you to a fundamentalist christian.
The difference is that the fundamentalist christian actually comes from the same culture as me, and might actually hear what I am saying... not likely, but more likely than it is for the muslim.
If I go out there and tell all the radical muslims how much I hate them, it's not going to make a whit of difference. But fighting the culture war in the U.S. will make a difference.
I really don't give a damn about fatwahs. I know that radical muslims, indeed most muslims, are assholes. So are christians, and no, I don't think the christians are any better. They would use suicide bombings and fatwahs too if it suited their objectives.
As far as I'm concerned, the world would be a better place if we just exterminated all the monotheists. fuck em.
What, some black muslims here have?
Irrespective of all the points you've chosen to miss, care to explain why black muslims wouldn't count?
No minor or major muslim cleric has issued a fatwa agains the murdering terrorists. What, some black muslims here have?
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I give up. Have whatever opinion you want. Don't read things people were polite enough to look up and post in response to your question.
I don't care what any of you [say], I stick by everything I have every written.
Will you be insulted if I wait until the temperature in your neighborhood isn't so hellish?
four legs good | Email | 07.23.05 - 7:31 pm | #
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Gravatar GWPDA, Is your ranch in Alberta still available? I keep as my wallpaper because it is such an attraction to think of a place where people might live their lives, loved and respected and without fear with people who feel the same.
DWD | Email | Homepage | 07.23.05 - 7:31 pm | #
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Gravatar GWPDA, Irate Scholar,
I buy from the Hutterites. (there's some of their colonies here) whenever possible. mostly fowl and produce. Invaribly, the quality of the food I get from them is superior to about anything else avalible.
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Gravatar BTW, GWPDA, Did you watch the French movie, A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT yet? Mrs. DWD and I watched it a while ago and I thought of you as the backdrop and the reason for the movie was WWI.
DWD
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A- Tchure. A deep freeze is pretty much forever.
B - Still there. Betcha it can be had for $CDN450
C - Hutterites produce good produce. Also good people. Nice kiddies. I mean, ca. 1625, but hey, nothing wrong with that.
D - Don't watch 'movies' qua movies these days. I am however re-seeing Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, and following with Smiley's People. WWI is extraordinarily painful.
No minor or major muslim cleric has issued a fatwa agains the murdering terrorists. - Ô¿Ô
Well, the sensible for you to do is hold your breath in protest until they do. Please.
and EVER written, too, goddamnit.
watertiger:
As you are sans shoes, I am mentally sending you some Toots Thielemans. Why?
Because. And there never is a better reason than that reason.
For now. . . (you know?)
Of course.
When politically expedient, they'll be around to cudgel poor white folks into voting against their own interests.
Oh wait, that has been going on for 40 some odd years now.
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Just don't eat any of "Walter Neff"'s "ice cream", if you get my drift....
Particularly if it's almond-flavored, and there are stray fibers from a fake beard lying about. Then you'll know it's Evil Walter Neff's Scrumdiddlyumptious Ice Cream...
...OF DOOM!
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watertiger, I just pounded and stuffed a pork tenderloin (those things look like penii ) with proscuitto, provolone, and spinach flavored with garlic.
It's seared and ready for a short visit to the oven.
Well, the sensible for you to do is hold your breath in protest until they do. Please.
bo
I hear ya.
No minor or major muslim cleric has issued a fatwa agains the murdering terrorists.
Come to think of it, I haven't heard of a condemnation from a major member of the gay community, either.
We can only infer this as a statement of support.
watertiger - at my local Basha's this morning, in the slightly used section, I walked away with two cans of Solo Almond paste (.59 each!) What shall I fill with it?
It sure could work, GWPDA. You ought to think about detouring out over this way when you travel up there....
Juuust saying.
Still, there are many good, decent, thinking people in this country. These events are MEANT to divide us. To refuse to allow that, I think, is one potent weapon we do have.
Word, mena!!!
I have been thinking about Othello alot lately "....and if you prick me, do I not bleed?"
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Come to think of it, I haven't heard of a condemnation from a major member of the gay community, either.
We can only infer this as a statement of support.
SteveNS
Are you whacked?
I walked away with two cans of Solo Almond paste
Well if it's TWO cans, they're hardly solo, aren't they?
There's a glitch in the Matrix!
Thanks bo. Nice try at softening me up. I respect your opinion and will never impede upon your and anybody else's dignity. But I think you're all chickenshit.
Uncle Smoke:
You have called attention to yourself.
Excellent . . .
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Sheets been changed
I respect that. I wouldn't want to be doing what they're doing so I will always err on their side, for now.
I bet you said the same thing about Stonewall.
Are you whacked?
Clearly, yes.
Thanks bo. Nice try at softening me up. I respect your opinion and will never impede upon your and anybody else's dignity. But I think you're all chickenshit.
hottub | Email | 07.23.05 - 7:47 pm | #
I think you are a reactionary moron, so I guess we're even.
Zakaria also mentioned that the hardcore Muslim parties typically go down in flames whenever there is a democratic election.
Zakaria is full of shit, I cant think of any election where the hardcore muslim parties lostan election.
Even in Iraq with the CIA trying to ficx the election for Iyad Allawi. The hardcore muslim paries(SCIRI and Al Dawa ) won the election. Both of these parties wee part of terrorist organizations in the eighties. Now their terrorism is restricted to throwing acid at women who whose faces and legs are not properly covered.
I know will the US will someday wish for the good ole days when Sadddam ruled Iraq. The new Iraq will become a partner with Iran and be the leading terrorist country in the world.
I give up. Have whatever opinion you want. Don't read things people were polite enough to look up and post in response to your question.
Not just that, but it is a bit disingenious for someone who has been writing off society to the point of building a compound to hide out for the rest of his days to suddenly think enough of the world to join it again to give us shit for opinions while not exactly reading them.
We stregnthen the Islamists with every move we make in the Middle East.
it is a bit disingenious for someone who has been writing off society to the point of building a compound to hide out for the rest of his days to suddenly think enough of the world to join it again to give us shit for opinions while not exactly reading them.
From whence come Unabombers...
What we need is an Ensmallinizer.
SteveNS, the proper nomenclature is de-embigulator, and the nut that squirrel has might benefit as well.
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Many of you liberals need to get your shit together and stop blaming officers and the "poor downtrodden muslims and their unfortunate circumstances in the West." It's gotten old and just give ammunition to the wing nuts. They're blowing up Egypt, too.
Keep asking me-no matter how long-On the war in Viet Nam I sing this song-I ain't got no quarrel with the Viet Cong.
Dear Incognito -- I don't understand why you are so freaked out about Islamic terrorism. You live in Louisiana, don't you? Aren't you more afraid of good old boys dragging you down the road behind their pickup truck because you aren't manly enough?
That's where terrorism gets its power, to make people afraid out of all proportion to the actual risks.
My poor 14-year-old, who stayed home yesterday instead of going to the AMC in Times Square to see a movie she didn't want to see (The Island), got completely freaked out when she called my cell and I didn't answer (movie etiquette, you know). She had caught the end of a news story showing the failed London bombers (one of whom was wearing a NY teeshirt), thought it was a new bombing here, and overreacted when she couldn't reach me. She was well and truly terrorized.
Gee, hottub enhances my intellectual brightness even more than cog. I'm ecstatic!
See, GWPDA, if you were to email me, I might just have an incredible almond cake recipe that requires a can of Solo almond paste....
Incog -- What's your final solution to the Muslim problem? Why do you refuse to answer my question?
Come to think of it, I haven't heard of a condemnation from a major member of the gay community, either.
We can only infer this as a statement of support.
We haven't heard Zoroastrians either, have we?
Oh, and though everyone appears to be off the Malkin site, has anyone investigated the workout ad lower on the page that appears to be showing that crack-journalist Guckert-Gannon working up a sweat?
Damn Zoroastrians and their fancy monotheism.
Thanks bo. Nice try at softening me up. I respect your opinion and will never impede upon your and anybody else's dignity. But I think you're all chickenshit.
I see that our good friend just got finished reading "How to make (or is that win) friends and influence people"
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Muslims can take their beards and their enshrouded women and go jump off a cliff.
Christians can take their fish stickers and go drive off a cliff.
Jews... ah whatever.
Is that good enough for you Ô¿Ô?
I'm trying to work with you here.
Marcia, Marcia, Marcia
That guys a trip. I wrote about him awhile back. He teaches people how to break their enemies bones.
Issue a goddamn fatwa, muslim clerics against blowing the limbs off people on their way to work. Just once, for petesake, issue a gaddamn fatwa against those who would do that. And while you're at it, issue a gaddamn fatwa for those who would murder gays, for well, being gay.
No fatwas for gay killing. The Koran says whatever it says on the topic and the Koran is supposed to be the literal word of Allah.
But I heard a radio program where a muslim scholar said that there have been many, many fatwas against bin Laden, but that the press in the West give them no publicity.
It sure could work, GWPDA. You ought to think about detouring out over this way when you travel up there....
Juuust saying.
mena
Baby, it isn't you, it's those darned ROCKIES. The last time I figured I'd toddle up to Calgary from Spokane I thought I'd just die. Logging roads. WITH LOGGING TRUCKS GOING 80MPH BEHIND ME. Night falling. No way off the road, no way out, NO WAY. Finally Sparwood appeared and I said to hell with it, cut across between TWO LOGGING TRUCKS GOING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. Got into the motel clutching only my jammies, my Amex and my bottle of Bushmills bought at the Idaho crossing. Drank all the Bushmill's. Have never forgotten the experience.
Now, I like to just sort of tour up from either Great Falls or Lethbridge, eh? Stop in to Claresholm. Be very, very quiet.
Damn Zoroastrians and their fancy monotheism.
Gen. JC Christian, patriot | Email | Homepage | 07.23.05 - 7:53 pm | #
Oh shit, I left them out.
Fuck the zoroastrians too.
But I heard a radio program where a muslim scholar said that there have been many, many fatwas against bin Laden, but that the press in the West give them no publicity.
But Echidne, that might indicate that incogs profound fear and hatred of muslims might be uncalled for in this case, but I fear this outrage is really fueled by the persecution of gays in the muslim world,
but then again what the fuck do I know.
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Chickenshit, it is so very easy to go angry at whole groups, isn't it? That's how we get racism and sexism, too.
But I do agree with Incog that what happens to gays and lesbians and perhaps-adulterous women (who might be rape victims) in the theocratic Muslim countries is disgusting and horrible and wrong.
Strange to admit, but I haven't been afraid of terrorism since I moved to NYC.
The Scientologists at the Times Square stop make me skittish, though. Something about visualizing all those clinging Thetans.
But I do agree with Incog that what happens to gays and lesbians and perhaps-adulterous women (who might be rape victims) in the theocratic Muslim countries is disgusting and horrible and wrong.
As do I. In fact I abhor any injustice done anywhere and in anyones name.
unfortunately for the 'cog, his pallette is a colorwheel of generalization and he only has one gigantic, self absorbed, brush with which to paint.
The story of the king who would rather let the guilty among ten go rather than kill an innocent man always resonated with me.
Some would rather not doublecheck the bathwater, and then blame someone else when the baby has gone missing.
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"Many of you liberals need to get your shit together and stop blaming officers and the "poor downtrodden muslims and their unfortunate circumstances in the West." It's gotten old and just give ammunition to the wing nuts. They're blowing up Egypt, too.
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Why are you so nasty to people who are on YOUR side?
at least Lance Armstrong can stay on the fuckin' bike for more than five minutes.
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And at least Lance is a REAL Texas, not a transplanted piece of white trash!
Chasing down and killing an innocent? Sounds so very....American??
Well, good news on the kitties' dental adventures. The big kitty who had five teeth extracted Tuesday is feeling much better, good enough to successfully resist taking his pills (but I fooled him by crushing his pill into some canned-tuna juice and pouring the tuna juice over his favorite fancy feast). And what's better yet, the little kitty didn't need any dental work at all. And the checkbook heaves a sigh of relief.
Does anybody know when Michelle Malkin was on Mr. Chews' Asian Beaver?? I can't seem to find it with google.
Switzerland didn't have 500 years of peace and democracy; it had centuries of canton-against-canton warfare within the Holy Roman Empire. It was such a poor place that a major industry was renting out the young men as mercenaries to various princes and cities, and so they killed each other on the battlefields of Europe. One of Zwingli's early reforms was decreeing that they could be mercenaries for only the Vatican.
I bet you said the same thing about Stonewall.
Best comment to the troll so far.
hmmm--mongerers--seems like a good word to describe right wing pundits. sounds like mongrel, mongol...
I deeply resent that.
Damn Zoroastrians and their fancy monotheism.
Actually Zoroastrians are dualists, believing in a Good God and an Evil God. Not unlike Southern Baptists.
According to The Guardian, it was Israeli-style trigger-happy policing.
Uncle Smokes:
Is there really any qualitative difference?
In fact, "we" taught the Israelis everything they know about law "enforcement" and sold them the weapons with which to carry out their "policing" methods -- while, of course, giving them $3 billion per with which to buy their weaponry (from U.S. military contrctors) and to build their apartheid wall!
The method can be summarized as "shoot-to-kill first and then declare the victim to be a "suspected" terrorist, member of Hamas, or Hezbollah, or Islamic Jihad, or whatever the Israeli/American flavor of the month happens to be.
In the early Middle Ages this was known as a blood-feud among warring factions -- a theory in which might makes right -- that was as brutal and stupid and barbaric as it was unsuccessful in the long term.
And no one (in his or her right mind) would argue that the Israelis -- for all their brutality and oppression of the Palestinians -- have enjoyed much success at bringing peace to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Even the crazies in the settlements would be hard-pressed to make such a claim.
But, I know...I know...the argument is that it's all the fault of the Palestinians -- but somehow that mantra is ringing hollow even among those who have been inclined to support Israel in the past.
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En manos de hombres pecadores...en los brazos de Dios
A Brazilian,
with seven holes in his head,
knows that looks can kill.
Jean Charles de Menezes,
our Josef K for the day,
he runs while we prey.
Put down like a dog,
we watch, face at the window,
his trial and our guilt.
A town black with tears,
Gonzaga is not London
but it bleeds the same.
Fear is a weapon
with a blade for a handle,
his wounds are our own.
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