I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Whoopppee!
Putting kids to bed is hard work. Hard, hard work.
You poor liberals. Must I remind you that liberality is one of the seven contrary virtues?
The Seven Contrary Virtues:
humility, kindness, abstinence, chastity, patience, liberality, diligence
The Contrary Virtues were derived from the Psychomachia ("Battle for the Soul"), an epic poem written by Prudentius (c. 410). Practicing these virtues is alledged to protect one against temptation toward the Seven Deadly Sins: humility against pride, kindness against envy, abstinence against gluttony, chastity against lust, patience against anger, liberality against greed, and diligence against sloth.
Pass it on.
It's long past time for the Right to take responsible for its own actions and rhetoric, and stop trying to pawn it off on those on the front lines.
We ask so litle and get so much flack for it. Will they never concede that they are batshit crazy?
It's long past time for the Right to take responsible for its own actions and rhetoric, and stop trying to pawn it off on those on the front lines.
This is so far into Mr. Obvious territory it's not even funny. Even LESS funny is that it's crucially necessary for Dr. Black et. al. to keep saying it...
Fuck off GOD. You fraud.
But he jumped the turnstile.
On the thread below, I played the devil's advocate on this issue, for the most part. And until I'm proved unequivocally wrong, I'll stick with my prior position. It's a bad situation all around and nobody likes what happened and that includes me. I just don't think they shot first and asked questions later. We'll see.
Michele Maglalangdingdong will excuse, justify, defend and spin any effort by BushCo and their allies in the so called War on Terra.
The right wing cannot admit or apologize for any error made in carrying out this phony war.
All I can say is, take note of the people who try to excuse this, to justify it. Remember them. They are scum.
Incog: mebbe, but five to the head!? Even Rodney King didn't get that after they had him down.
The Savage Weiner is starting to talk up justification for rounding up the Japanese-Americans during WWII and how it should be done now to Muslims.
It's amazing how obtuse he is. I hate to invoke Godwin's Law, but the Nazi's used the same rational when they rounded up groups, like the Jews.
The funny part is that he thinks he is so intelligent and rational.
I wonder if Michelle realizes that the Bobbies would have shot her, too. The way she behaves.
PLAINCLOTHES London authorities.
It is rather terribly significant to remember that as with Amadou Diallo these cops were not dressed as such; goes a hell of a long way in explaining why an innocent person would run.
Dead men tell no tales.
Yeah, five to the head seems excessive but let's wait for the investigation to be complete before we start calling people scum.
Dissidents held in Cuba crackdown
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana
Cuban dissident Martha Beatriz Roque
Martha Beatriz Roque is said to be among those arrested
Opposition figures in Cuba say at least 20 Cuban dissidents have been detained as part of a crackdown against the country's political opposition.
This, in a leftist utopia? Well, at least Castro, leftist hero, is not as bad as Bush.
i've been there.
castro sucks. cuba sucks. next?
Yeah, because the centralization of power has always been a defining leftist virtue. Illiterate.
Yeah, five to the head seems excessive but let's wait for the investigation to be complete before we start calling people scum.
Incog
Fuck off, troll. Go defend murder on the freeper boards, asshole.
If three plain-clothes police officers ran after me I'd run, too. I mean, a group like that tried to rape me once, and they claimed they were sent by the FBI.
Dissidents held in Cuba crackdown
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana..... blah, blah....
Yeah, and Bolton sez they got WMD so we should nuke 'em.
"Scum" wasn't the first word to come to mind. More like "trigger-happy fucking brain-dead batshit insane moron."
FWIW.
Thus is Mr. Gonzales's Supreme Court aspiration the first White House casualty of this affair. It won't be the last. When you look at the early timeline of this case, rather than the latest investigatory scraps, two damning story lines emerge and both have legs.
I was wondering why Gonzales wasn't chosen.
If they were plain clothes officers, how would you know they were police? I'd probably run from them too, thinking they were some kind of crooks. And five in the head it just over the top. If you've got him down, you ask questions first.
Somebody says it's 44-38 for Republican Kilgore, who happens to be an ass.
What do you say?
Ass = someone who hates people who work for a living, by the way.
Yeah, five to the head seems excessive but let's wait for the investigation to be complete before we start calling people scum.
We can wait if it concerns the cops...
... but the fucktards on the TeeVee ("Five to the Noggin!! Way to Go!!) ?
Why wait? Scum is scum.
If you haven't seen the new trailer for V is for Vendetta, go check it out.
V is for Vendetta
I also wondered why they shot to kill. Wouldn't the victim be of more use alive, for intelligence gathering, in an Abu Garaib sort of way?
Wondering why Bush chose a white "hetero" male?
Hahaha.
What else would he choose? Ratzinger?
Dead men tell no tales.
Good point.WHat if the man was a US operative?
This is not beyond irrational. The administration needs diversion people.
Yeah, there's no threat especially there. Just happy smiling people shaking hands. I'm still holding off judgement until the report and if you don't like it, you can lump it potty mouff.
Excellent point. But this gang of jive artists (and the legions of wee con-spawn they are bringing up) will never take responsibility. It's antithetical to their lifecycle. And besides, who's gonna make them?
Just tar them as crybabies (those that are crybabies) and cheats (those that are cheats) and bullies (ibid). Nobody likes crybabies, cheats, and bullies. Not even other crybabies, cheats, and bullies.
And let's start finding and fielding some candidates with common sense, a common sensibility, and the brass to stand up to the lies in 2006. Is that so very much to ask?
Putting kids to bed is hard work. Hard, hard work.
©smalfish |
That's why god made moms.
incog,
stop playing dumb. you're smarter than this. Deliberate obtuseness is a characteristic of the right. Join them if you want, but we're smarter than that, as I thought were you.
BB: again, one for the Mr. Obvious file...which of course means that it needs to be shouted from the rooftops.
I think this incog is a name stealer.
and a scandal that - like the war itself - has no exit strategy that will not inflict pain.
ok, that's from the rich article and was really for the other thread, but fits here too.
bush is the problem.
But with the nation tense and jittery after the repeat attacks and the shooting itself, Mr. Blair was expected to confront political passions likely to be inflamed by what his critics are depicting as excesses of a war on terrorism.
cooler heads are what is needed.
I see Atrios is still aiming for the sprint points tonite.
(Tour de France reference for those of you not paying attention)
Billy Batson... Captain America's sidekick?
Our friend Michelle writes:
Friend? That skank ain't no friend of mine.
What, flory, Atrios telephones us all from odd points in America and says, "Can you hear me now"?
What makes Michelle M and others struggle to come up with a rationalization is not the nature of the tragedy but the fact that they celebrated the shooting after it happened as a pro-active "can do" kinda of a response. Now that we know it's a horrible mistake, that all changed. If those fascists media gasbags had just done their jobs reporting the shooting instead of bragging about it they wouldn't have to explain or clarify anything today.
Fucking bastards from Michelle M across the board.
It's complicated like everything these days. Let's wait and see the results of the investigation. I'm not going to defend them no matter what like the right will.
Will they never concede that they are batshit crazy?
©smalfish
Sadly, no.
I think his alter ego, actually. SHAZAM!
The Seven Contrary Virtues:
humility, kindness, abstinence, chastity, patience, liberality, diligence
So - god? If I'm good for 5 out of 7, what's that mean?
Tom, maybe we can make them concede that they are guano instead.
Captain Goto - I see your point. But considering the stench coming off of this event, considering that we are now expected to accept summary public execution as a cost of doing business is beyond sickening. I'll stick with scum until I can think of something worse for these craven, cowardly, worthless bastards. Thanks.
"shooting someone the government has labelled "terrorist suspect" absent trial is problematic."
Oh Yeah! When some Brazilian shoves a backpack bomb up your ass you'll be crying that the cops should have shot them all sooner! [/wingnut]
Wrong phone company, Elaine.
Liberality and chasity clash, you know, diligence.
I've only written that for now, I will err on their side.
Malkin's used to getting arrested for the way she dresses.
I know, Goto. I was trying a feeble and stupid joke.
mena, the apologist fucktard commenters are DEFINITELY scum. The cop fell into a different category for me, for some reason.
refused to obey orders, dressed suspiciously, and fled over a turnstile towards the subway train
So . . . fire five bullets into his head. Was there not a rugby player in the bunch??? How happy I am that I am no longer a college student with 35 cents in my pocket.
These people, including Ms. Malkin, are Nazis.
I will repeat it - they are Nazis.
.
Next, Britain will be patrolled by Daleks.
Those are the best kind, Elaine. 
The best I can do is typically feeble and stupid.
If three plain-clothes police officers ran after me I'd run, too. I mean, a group like that tried to rape me once, and they claimed they were sent by the FBI.
Echidne of the snakes
There you have the really scary part. What's the guy supposed to do? Stop and examine their badges? And if they're *not* cops?
Ooops. He's fucked.
But then he's fucked if they *are* cops.
I don't like this new world.
Captain Marvel...
I asked this in another tread.
What was the weather like in London that day? It *could* explain why he was wearing a heavey jacket. Not all people are as cold blooded.
Maybe we should all pretend we are plain clothes except for those who want to pretend to be fashion models.
So, for Magalang, no blame is to be attached to anyone. Hmmm.
Apparently ever, for anything. All the Right wankosphere ever cares about is denouncing people for not being wingnuts.
You'd think this little episode would make 'em stop to think "hmmm, maybe all this tough-talking shit DOESN'T ACTUALLY WORK."
Nah.
I wonder if the British will shoot anyone eating escargot next?
I also wondered why they shot to kill. Wouldn't the victim be of more use alive, for intelligence gathering, in an Abu Garaib sort of way?
noblejoanie
The story is they thought he might be carrying a suicide bomb and be ready to detonate. So they had to stop him.
And to be slightly fair to them - the only way to be completely sure he couldn't detonate a bomb would be to kill him.
Doesn't excuse 'em tho. IMHO.
nick carraway/cap'n goto:
Close! Wrong Captain is all.
I don't like this new world.
flory, Contributing Editor | Email | 07.23.05 - 11:44 pm | #
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Me either, Flory. Where can we go?
Jeez there's nothing like a little taste of the police state to get the fascist state faction all hot and horny and defensive.
They even go out of their way to point out how perfectly okay the idea is that an innocent person was killed by plainclothes gunmen, because of the great hard-on it gives them to think it could possibly have been a terrorist instead.
Scum seems like a good word.
There's probably video of what happened.
Hey, I just went to LGF, and you guys have it all wrong. You see, that Brazilofascist might have had a NUKE in his backpack!
Also, even if people in STREET CLOTHES pull out a gun and start yelling at you, the best thing to do is cooperate and obey (dang thost LGFers are smart.)
Oh yeah, one positive thing is that that guy is no longer muddying the gene pool, he's a Darwin award contender now.
Thank goodness for the LGFers. If it weren't for them, I'd have to think for myself!
Snuf videos. On at ten. After the Torture photos.
What, flory, Atrios telephones us all from odd points in America and says, "Can you hear me now"?
Elaine Supkis
That explains it. I've been traveling alot and must've forgotten to give him the cell number.
Confronted with a furtive individual who reportedly refused to obey orders, dressed suspiciously, and fled over a turnstile towards the subway train
In other words, the complete opposite of every Japanese-American in the U.S. in 1942.
I'm betting every word of her present account is a lie, too.
BB: oops...and I call myself a cartoon junkie. That episode was on Justice League Unlimited only a month ago...
I wonder if the British will shoot anyone eating escargot next?
What I'm wondering is how long untill something like this happens here? With the searching of bags in NYC now, we can expect the NYC cops to go overboard on just about anything. They don't even need an excuse like bombs already have gone off in their city. THis IS going to happen here, it's just a matter of when.
What cell are you in, Flory? 
Muslims and even non Muslims are getting worried in NYC.
Almost forgot... the wise LGFers say this is a good example of the dictum "we don't care if you hate us, so long as you fear us."
I feel safer already!
And people tell me I'm weird because I want to live in a cabin in the mountains, away from 'society'.
We are the saddest species.
Me either, Flory. Where can we go?
mena
Hmmm....I'm going to Vancouver next month. Maybe I won't come back.
Except for EschaCon, of course.
sheets kids
Probably oughta hit the hay...my sis is turning off the lights in the beach house already...
Now I know why the rich MSM types are all in Nantucket. It really is nice here...even if only for a week (thank you brother-in-law!)
I wonder if Michelle realizes that the Bobbies would have shot her, too. The way she behaves.
Echidne of the snakes
i saw her tonight on Fox. she was arguing that the searches in New York have to be targeted to racial profiles. to her credit she said southeast asians as well.
she seemed tired and worn. still with the googly eyes.
john kerry was right "we need to fight a more sensitive, intelligent 'war on terror'"
i so wish we could clean out this whitehouse. bad for the nation, bad for the world.
What cell are you in, Flory?
Elaine Supkis
The lovely padded one at Bedlam, of course.
Special arrangement by RMJ.
Time and life
come and go
Zoey at the d00r
Gotta go
No Cable
The lightening strike too knit out!
Videos must be watched
Curl up to Melissa
Life is good.
NITE!
.
Tom, maybe we can make them concede that they are guano instead.
Elaine Supkis
They'll stop singing their Maoist pro-government stance and no judicial oversight of the legislative and executive processes after the Democrats take back either.
what I posted at gilliards site:
tactical counter-terrorism perspective: personally, i dont have a problem with either operation, the SAS shoot, or this one.
political, long term ramification, moral perspective: You people should NOT let people like me on your streets with license to kill. its a very baaaad idea. you have no idea how bad.
but, i would have taking the shot, (i wouldnt have popped him 5 times though, geez).
i would however put five in gibsons noggin, pro bono.
The Abu Sayyaf terrorists are from the Philippines, and are known for their strident, self-righteous views. Just sayin'.
Ripley, I do not think you are weird in the least: a simple cabin in the mountains or deep forests or on an island seems meet to me.
I tire of the hatred and the suspicion. I tire of the constant seeking of advantage: on the right and on the left. I tire of mostly everything at this point. What is wrong with us? Can't we simply allow that people need to find a way to peace and not get in their way?
If there's one thing that bothers me about a lot of my friends--even here--it's the inability to say "I don't know." It's really tempting to flesh out that scenario, but, really, there's far too many variables and unknowns for that to work.
I want more information about this before I form any conclusions.
late to the party and jumping in unread:
to my mind atrios, the issue is that it seems to almost always be brown people that are the victims/offenders in 'difficult situations' like these, we never hear about white officers accidentially shooting innocent white subjects.
we can dress this up in the discourse of 'creeping fascism' or the 'war on terrorism' all we want, but let's not forget that what we're always talking about is better armed, government supported, more numerous white people shooting black/brown people first, and only later asking questions about why the killing took place.
Not to put too fine a point on it, does Michelle think if she acts like a racist nobody will notice she's a wog? When they start rounding up brown people does she think she's gonna get a special exemption? Bitch gonna be in the camp with the rest of them and her american flag lapel and her appearances on Hardball aren't gonna help.
( I know, inexcusable use of racial slurs and language demeaning to women. It's hot, it's late after reading this post I'm in an even worse mood than before. You don't like it, well then fuck you. Why are you still reading this comment? Don't you have anything better to do? You know what time it is?)
On the money, chidike. The Culture Of Life.
evening all. jumping in: have we ever learned? isn't this really about the eternal mystery of war and why it happens? think about it...has there ever been a conflict that didn't have some similarity to a failed conflict of the recent past, but yet the people (or some portion thereof) became convinced was new and different and of convincing necessity?
i'm not old enough to 'remember' vietnam, but even to my eyes, the lessons are clear. and yet somehow, they are 'forgotten.' by both my generation and our fathers who fought it. iraq is thus more complicated, imho, than pointing out the obvious facts like 1)republicans have always shat on the troops or 2)land wars in asia are unwinnable or 3)the white man's wars against brown people with natural resources are ultimately a racket. any child with a history book can see this, what is less perceptable is the willingness of a forceful minority/complacent majority to let the people 'over there' keep some current reality unnaturally stabilized. no matter how those abroad ultimately suffer. and suffer they shall.
this kind of war: it never lasts, it always costs, it eventually destroys empires, but while it goes on, the comfortable majority, or some powerful minority, enjoy the benefits of such conflicts and grandly. that they enjoy such at the cost of human, even same national, blood is of no consequence. what matters is the power of the fantasy, the narrative, the distraction, and those things keep us in this stupid cycle despite the lessons of the past which acurately predict the future conclusion.
"and the critics of those who dare suggest that shooting someone the government has labelled "terrorist suspect" absent trial is problematic."
Nice deflection. The issue is not the treatment of a terrorist suspect. The issue is the treatment of a person who is suspected to be wearing a bomb belt amongst a crowd of innocents.
And now that the Army wants to raise the max age for enlistment to 42, each of us need to ask these "rah rah go beat the shit out of terrorist ass" rat bastards to step up to the plate and put their money where their mouthes are and high tail it down to the nearest recruiting station. We need to turn "operation yellow elephant" into a national "Any Rah Rah Republican under 42" campaign.
Anonymous White House sources have observed the President enjoying an occasional Marlboro and apple juice on the rocks.
Nice deflection. The issue is not the treatment of a terrorist suspect. The issue is the treatment of a person who is suspected to be wearing a bomb belt amongst a crowd of innocents.
Which further demonstrates the total stupidity of trying to fight terror in this way anway. Once we get to the point of suspecting people amongst us of wearing bomb jackets or bomb belts or bomb boots or bomb packs or however the hell else people can devise to detonate themselves in large groups of people, we have lost the war. You will NEVER be able to stop or prevent that type of attack; if people really want to die that badly and are willing to die knowing that they take 50 people with them on a bus or a train - you will never stop them. What's next? Inspect every single person on any street in Manhatten carrying a backpack? Good luck.
And every single minute of Fox News or MSNBC or CNN covering these bombings as huge BREAKING NEWS on serves as more advertisement for terrorism - it proves it works.
This isn't a war on terror, this should be nothing more than a war on criminal behavior. Fuck Karl Rove who thinks that the left just wants to analyze the terrorists and treat it like a "criminal case". The truth is that when you treat these animals like the terrorists they want to be then they win. When you run terrorist recuritment videos in the guise of "Breaking News" they win. That's what they want. They want to terrorize and get massive publicity. What we need to do is treat these people like common criminals. We have turned the term "terrorist" into a revered and respected profession in some parts of the world. We need a new plan. Turning our country (or the UK) into a police state where random searches or killing suspected terrorists is acceptable behavior is yet another way that these thugs win. It's just amazing to me that the right simply doesn't get it.
...refused to obey orders-
Shouted by people dressed in street clothes, carrying guns.
...dressed suspiciously...
Irrelevant.
...fled over a turnstile towards the subway train...
To escape people dressed in street clothes, carrying guns.
Then, when they cornered him on the subway, they pushed him to the ground, jammed a gun against his head and pumped five rounds into his skull.
You might as well defend Nazis gassing Jews and faggots.
The issue is not the treatment of a terrorist suspect. The issue is the treatment of a person who is suspected to be wearing a bomb belt amongst a crowd of innocents.
BZZZZZT! Oooh, no, wrong, sorry.
Johnny, get him the fuck out of here.
Yeah, except they fucked up and shot an innocent man.
Ooops.
a,
Except he wasn't searched, had no bomb and was shot dead for running from the cops.
nobodys listening to each other
The mistake was inevitable. It had to happen sometime. The only good that will come out of it will be awareness...by the nonterrorists.
Poor Londoners, stuck in a society mixed together with those who would kill them as soon as look at them...
In America, we have the same problem but my perception is that it is less prevalent. I yearn for the days in the 1960's when this stuff was rare, and people went to work more worried about getting hit by mistake by a car in traffic...
This is such a no-win situation for all involved, its sad, and creepy and so futile. The cops were trained to go after someone like that. They've spent the last 2 weeks getting fed pictures and bullshit intel and constant demands from the upper office to 'Get Someone', so they spook some poor kid, who runs. At least they followed their training and tackle-shot him. I know that sounds crass, but its better than shooting 5 times into a crowd, that would have been really messy. So who's to blame?
George Bush. He started this whole mess.
Newsflash to Atrios, you don't represent the left.
"Bush and the Right generally have become masters of this rhetorical trick. Criticize the Bush policies in Iraq? You're attacking the troops! Criticze the Bush policies in Gitmo? You're attacking the troops! Criticize the 101st Fighting Keyboarders glee about the killing of "bad" brown people in London? You're attacking London bobbies!"
"It's long past time for the Right to take responsible for its own actions and rhetoric, and stop trying to pawn it off on those on the front lines."
It is long past time for Atrios to explain why after hundreds of posts of intense criticism of the right, he can only muster 1 or 2 that barely even register against those targeting hundreds of civilians a week.
Simple. That is where you priorities lie. So excuse me while I laugh when you talk about the "101st Fighting Keyboarders". A majority of your effort is geared towards smearing this administration at all costs, troops be damned, effort to bring Democracy to Iraq be damned, war on terror be damned.
You made that choice. And you have to live with the ridicule every time you pretend to support the military, every time you pretend you are serious about the war against terror, every time you have to pretend that your views speak for the entire Democratic party.
You and Kos have flushed most moderates and centrists out of the party. And there is a chance in hell of getting any Republicans to vote across parties thanks to your and media matters constant attempts to create controversy at all costs.
Nice of you to respond to criticism, with "bad brown people", "101st fighting keyboarders", and "I support the troops, really I do". It demonstrates my point perfectly.
Its not attempts to create contrpversy Cog. Its attempts to examine the truth. Why are you afraid of that?
How can you condemn the free expression of ideas? Even though you may not agree with everything said here, the very existance of sites like these means that America is working. You should be celebrating that fact. Now, wash your mouth out with soap, and go to bed.
Hey Cog,
If ya turned some of that cleverness and literacy in the right direction, you could face your children in a few years with a good conscience.
You wouldn't have to say, "we didn't know what was going on" or "we had no idea", like the german citizenry.
I ask you, if these questions are not being asked here, where are they being asked? Who is providing the checks and balances? What is the alternative?
Do you seriously think that atrios should expend time and energy dealing with slick talking points agenda?
You think the MSM is leading the charge for truth, civility and justice?
A war on terror is a nonsense. War is terror. If we adapt this as our point of departure, we have lost already.
What I want to know is just why did they change the rules of engagement but keep that change secret. I can't help but feel that this was a political decision made by the Home Office so as not to worry the middle classes.
BTW, none of the eyewitness accounts I have read so far have suggested that the police properly identified themselves.
It is long past time for Atrios to explain why after hundreds of posts of intense criticism of the right, he can only muster 1 or 2 that barely even register against those targeting hundreds of civilians a week.
that's easy. cranking out glib boilerplate about rightwing racism is easy. confronting terrorism is hard.
nice post cog.
Proper identification of the arresting officers would spoil the desired effect. The cops were down there on a strike mission, they weren't normal cops, it was a team hit. They got tipped by something and went in for a kill. It might have been a call from above or civilian info. Who knows?
"If ya turned some of that cleverness and literacy in the right direction, you could face your children in a few years with a good conscience."
I spent almost 10 years volunteering with youth athletics and technology.
My conscience is fine.
that's easy. cranking out glib boilerplate about rightwing racism is easy. confronting terrorism is hard.
vadim
No no no... Cranking out glib boilerplate rightwing racism is easy.
Confronting terrorism is hard, which is why the InstaParrot and cog and the Little Green Raelians crank out glib boilerplate rightwing racism rather than confront terrorism.
Like the crapola "fight em over there instead of fighting them here". *geesh* Most terrorism is LOCAL. It will always fight on its home turf, so if fighting Palestinian terror, it will most often be in Palestine. If it's Irish terror, it will most often be in Ireland. If it's Tamil terror, it'll most likely be found in Sri Lanka.
So I might as well say, we're leavin' 'em alone over there, so we don't have to fight 'em here. Just as true as the crap that comes out of the Pajamas Media.
If I were MI-5/MI-6 and truly wanting to bluff the terrorists, even at the expense of public reputation/opinion, I would gladly put out mis-information (and risk, in fact, prefer police looking like complete racist idiots) in order to more effectively continue to investigate those with whom the guy was associated.
any thoughts?
not that i also don't think they're fulling capable of being actual racist idiots -- it's just that the pronouncement of a 'mistake' was a little too fast in light of what actually happens in situations where the police make actual mistakes = the pattern is much more likely to be obfuscate, delay, deny and rationalize why what they did was right... I just think this 'admission' of wrongdoing is a little too convenient, too fast, too 'out of character' of any form of law enforcement anywhere, to not involve something more deliberate ... more related to intel ...
Is there any duct tape left?
I would like to put some over Ms. MaglaGangBang's mouth!
AND tape up her hands so she can't type.
God | 07.23.05 - 11:22 pm | #
Sorry, but if you existed, Bush and Rove would be cleaning toilets, not running this country into the ground.
Thank goodness for the LGFers. If it weren't for them, I'd have to think for myself!
thugtard
I could NEVER go over to any of THEIR sites.
Can't..dumb..down..THAT...far!
Almost forgot... the wise LGFers say this is a good example of the dictum "we don't care if you hate us, so long as you fear us."
I feel safer already!
thugtard
As they sit in the safety of their Mommy and Daddy's basements!
Well said.
That first Malkin story on this, linked to yeterday and published on her site, was truly frightening.
She said nothing (and it's this fact that makes it chilling), but listed all her friends on the Right who had found different versions of the killing for you to read. You could hear the breathlessness, as she excitedly posted as many instances as she could of stories detailing the shooting, taking a breath only long enough to compliment Katherine Lopez for being an "early riser" who was even faster out of the gate than she was.
At that point all that was known was a man was shot on a sunway, and it rippled thru the Right like the first ray of sunshine on Christmas morning.
Blogging makes some of the Left jump at the first sound of excitement in the news as well. But I don't think I know of an example on the Left of a blogger so obviously flipping his wife with excitment over the death of a human being.
Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian man killed by London police, was a law-abiding, legal resident, a Catholic, and an electrician on his way to work (to fix somebody's fire alarm). The policemen who pointed guns at him and started running after him were not wearing uniforms. He probably had no clue why they were after him. I'd say running away would be a pretty normal survival instinct in that situation.
After the July 7 attacks, Jean thought about buying a scooter in order to avoid catching the subway to work. He was as frightened and appalled with the terrorist attacks as any innocent Londoner.
You can check out photos of the Brazilian man killed by London police on my blog:
http://www.verbeat.org/blogs/stuckinsac/
All I can say is, take note of the people who try to excuse this, to justify it. Remember them. They are scum.
mena | Email | 07.23.05 - 11:25 pm | #
All I can say is, take note of the people who try to excuse this, to justify it. Remember them. They are scum.
mena | Email | 07.23.05 - 11:25 pm | #
Easy to say in your position - but swap places for a monet with the guy who pulled the trigger. He had to make a split second judgement, making the wrong decision means people will die - possible many people, possibly himself.
Every right thinking person is shocked and horrified by this event. I'm instinctively suspicious of authority and distrust the British police BUT right now people are scared and jumpy. Scared people make mistakes horrible tragic lethal mistakes. I 'm just grateful there are people who are prepared to risk their lives and take responsibility for making these awful judgements. I don't think I'd have the courage to do their job - would you?
It's about time we started pandering to terrorists and quickly marginalize all minorities in this country. The death penalty for furtive behavior is an issue I have been proudly championing for decades now. I am deeply heartened to be finally vindicated in my noble quest by such leading lights as the estemable Ms. Malkin and leading intellectual light Sir John Gibson. All you bleeding-heart "playing right into their hands" Lefty Liberal knee-jerk tree-huggers should make note of my profound and enduring wisdom.
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I feel bad for the innocent civilian. I feel bad for the police who had to had to handle this situation. I wish the poor guy would have stopped when the police ordered him to. However, there have been a few times when people have cut in front of me in line and I wanted to do the exact same thing. The only difference between me and a terrorist is that I know how to sigh, shake my head, and carry on.
"Shamefully, we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management: U.S. management."
"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."
And you can pontificate about the rhetoric of the Right? Puhhllleeezzze!
I wish Michelle that brown-skinned Manila girl got this kind of treatment like in London. Is she trying to out-white the white folks or what?
not to talk bad about the dead, but this kid did exactly what you're NOT supposed to do. he runs from the cops after they told him to stop, he's in an area terrorists try to target, he had on an abnormally large jacket for summertime, and let's not forget, there WAS just a terrorist attack.
This kid's horrible judgement got him killed. There is no way these officers can NOT shoot to kill, given the circumstances. It sucks that he was killed, but I see no other action that could have been taken. And for god's sake, we're talking about a split second decision. That's all the time it would take for this guy to blow himself, and many others to bits. There's no time to say "scuse me sir, do you have a bomb in your backpack?"
So I would have shot him too.
p.s. - get off the whiney race card shit. The Brits have dealt with their share of white terrorists as well, and have cracked down on them just as hard, if not harder than they have against islamic fundies.
He ran from armed plain clothed men who shot at him, in a country where police don't carry guns. But that's ok it wasn't your helpless innocent kid who was held down as another heroic officer stood over him and put a couple more shots in his head at point blank range. I see your point, I, too, would have done the exact same thing, kid should be thankful they only executed him, I'm sure his parents and his kids if he has any, feel that no apology was necessary.
I just love the what if he had a nuclear bomb in his pants defense. Works for any occasion.
Guess Magdalagdalag doesn't realize that she also fits the bill of a 'terrorist;' South-East Asian descent, shifty eyed, suspiciously shilling for a morally bankrupt regime of liars and murderers; wonder what her reaction would be if she got chased by undercover cops brandishing weapons and screaming at her to stop and drop. She'd be screaming police state faster than you could say unrepentent cheerleader for evil. When will the hypocrisy end people? Is this how BushBlair have made the world safer? By having innocent people hunted down and shot repeatedly in the back of the head? I guess the plan now is to kill them right here before we send them to Iraq to get killed; who could argue with that logic?
What a load of crap. The Left’s trick is: call our troops at Gitmo torturers and claim it’s a Bush policy, call our troops incompetent in Iraq and claim it’s a Bush policy, call the UK police overly bloodthirsty and blame conservative bloggers for making them that way.
"When will the hypocrisy end"???
C'mon, it's the right-wing's calling card, it's in their genes, their raison d' etre, their calling, the only reason they have for existing!
Without hypocrisy, they'd fucking implode. It's really all they got.
And they know it.
"call our troops at Gitmo torturers and claim it’s a Bush policy, call our troops incompetent in Iraq and claim it’s a Bush policy, call the UK police overly bloodthirsty and blame conservative bloggers for making them that way."
But Atrios and Kos support the troops!
The met police now have a shoot to kill policy to combat terrorism. Unfortunately they don't seem to have grasped that it only works if the people you shoot are terrorists. Much has been made of the fact that their first bag was an "innocent Brazilian", as tho it would have been better if he'd at least been a Muslim. Apparently they have got advice from the Israelis, who of course kill innocent people all the time, and don't care so long as they're not Jews. Also, while the Israelis do have a great deal of experience of suicide bombers, so far as I know they don't have much record of stopping them.
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