I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
But people have to log on to americasupportsyou.mil when they could be downloading Paris Hilton pics -- is that not sacrifice enough? Bumper stickers on Ford Expeditions. What more do you libruls want?
Someone should tell the troops that it's not as if we're sitting on our hands doing nothing.
The Commander In Chief ordered us to go shopping.
Hey, I bought a couple of magnetic yellow ribbons!
Get off my back!
There's something loony about going to war and cutting taxes for the wealthy at the same time? Who said that?
Bush's plan? In Iraq, no one can hear you scream.
As more troops come home, the Bushies will look even more selfish and evil than they already do.
Ah yes, the "Support Our Troops" magnetic ribbons.
Geesh! We're shopping as fast as we can and we've got our SUV's plastered with yellow ribbon magnets.
And the "War" Preznit is going on another month long vacation.
What more do they want from us?
As more troops come home, the Bushies will look even more selfish and evil than they already do.
Hard to even imagine - I assume you mean to *other* people, right?
18 US serviceme died in Somalia and the Repugs wanted heads to roll (ignoring the fact that Bush Sr. gave Somalia to Clinton as a Thanksgiving present).
Les Aspin, Secretary of Defense resigned.
Now, ONE HUNDRED times as many US soldiers have died and not a damn peep. And Rumsfeld just stays in his office, doing what, I haven't a fucking clue.
Plus, just like with the monetary debt, we'll be paying for the social costs of w's adventure for many, many years. Good times.
"And the "War" Preznit is going on another month long vacation."
Hey, Preznitting is hard work. It's . . . it's hard.
I think about Preznitting every day. Every day. That means, there's not a day . . . when a day comes by . . . I think about it a lot.
The place for hard work is by people who . . . it's hard.
Just a note, both James and Lachlan Murdoch are military age. Mebbe we should tell them to enlist. Think how proud their Daddy would be.
Hey, I bought a couple of magnetic yellow ribbons!
There's a car commercial (I don't remember the brand (WOW, what effective advertising!)) where the yellow stripes in the road start flying in the air and one of them quite distinctly folds itself into "a yellow ribbon" right in the middle of the screen.
I know how hard it is to put hard work on your family.
Ignoring people getting their asses shot off is hard work. I do it every day, I know.
Eli, exactly! 
It was bittersweet when I spoke to a hard core conservative this week about the recent events in the Rove Probe, and he acknowledged it was a serious situation. Then I told him about Brewster, Jennings & Associates, which he had not heard before.
On his own, he added "and they've screwed up everything in Iraq!"
Sure it was good his eyes were open, but it was painful for him to admit. I doubt Bush has any idea just how much trouble he's in.
Yo, Atrios, speedy dude!
Can someone ask Scottie on Monday right after the point where he says "our thoughts and prayers with every one" re Egypt/London/Baghdad/wherever else goes up in smoke between now and then -- to name a single one of the people our thoughts and prayers are with?
Oh man. Lewis Black on HBO Comedy.
I'm dyin.
O'Neill, we don't give names to those who are stuck on our "flypaper" overseas.
On January 16, 1942, film star Carole Lombard, her mother, and 20 other people were flying back to California after volunteering for a war bond rally when the plane went down outside of Las Vegas. There were no survivors. She was just 33. Her husband of two years, Clark Gable, immediately volunteered and served in Europe for several years.
All of you are smart - I don't need to make a comment.
Sure it was good his eyes were open, but it was painful for him to admit. I doubt Bush has any idea just how much trouble he's in.
Hopefully the conservatives who really do consider themselves grownups will start to come around.
That's absolutely right. What have WE given? What have Americans given up? What am I giving? Up.
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If the country thought the war were really worth fighting, the country would be fully behind it and making sacrifices whether the preznit asked them to or not.
But nobody really believes in this war. Even the wingnuts only care about it as a way to bash "the Left" and as a means of mass self-fellatio.
P. O'Neill:
Bush can only remember nicknames.
the nyt has a not bad article laying out the plame/wilson/rove story. the concluding paragraphs highlight how bushco's arrogance has put them in jeopardy:
"By several accounts, some government officials initially did not take the case seriously, not bothering to retain lawyers before they were interviewed by F.B.I. agents. One person close to Mr. Powell said he did not have a lawyer when he testified to the grand jury investigating the leak and does not have one now.
The blasé attitude might have been encouraged in part by official statements from Scott McClellan, Mr. Fleischer's replacement as White House press secretary, that Mr. Rove and other officials had played no role in leaking Ms. Wilson's identity.
But the atmosphere surrounding the inquiry has changed. Revelations in recent weeks that Mr. Rove discussed the Wilsons with at least two reporters have called into question the earlier White House denials. And the jailing on July 6 of Judith Miller, a Times reporter, for refusing to reveal confidential sources to the grand jury, has suggested high stakes for the investigation.
Mr. Fitzgerald's actions have been mostly hidden from view, but his public pursuit of Ms. Miller gave a glimpse of a deadly serious prosecutor on the trail of a major case.
When Ms. Miller's lawyers argued that her stance protected a crucial principle for a free press, Mr. Fitzgerald did not flinch.
"We cannot tolerate that," he said in court. "We are trying to get to the bottom of whether a crime was committed and by whom."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/
2...agewanted=print
just because bunnypants is stupid?
Our miltary wants us to make sacrifices?
So does Ba'al.
Shall we start with the Bush twins?
Well, if the officer corps at large really is starting to question the regime - that can only be a good thing.
America is not a nation at war, but a nation with only its military at war
This administration is at war against the troops. Nothing less.
Someone should tell Sully that there is a movement afoot to address this frustration.
Operation Yellow Elephant.
Elaine, are you now one of Ba'al's priestesses?
Damn deities get ALL the hot chicks...
Even the wingnuts only care about it as a way to bash "the Left" and as a means of mass self-fellatio.
True. And vice versa. A pox on both your houses.
And those stupid yellow magnets are all starting to fade, just like the support for this war.
"Nobody in America is asked to sacrifice, except us," said one officer just back from a yearlong tour in Iraq.
I agree. George should go to the pawn shop with his iPod, his mountain bike, and all that expensive shit he has, and scrape together some cash to be used to properly armor some Humvees.
Also, here are some things to be donated to the war scrap metal effort:
Jenna and not-Jenna's tiaras
Dick Cheney's cyborg exoskeleton
Laura Bush's jewelery
The spurs on George's cowboy boots
Condi's iron fist (velvet glove if necessary)
Sullivan is full of shit.
Every single American is making sacrifices in this war.
They are all giving up rights. And a good number have given up thinking.
Now that DoD is requesting to raise the war eligibilty age to 42, it makes my idea of staring the draft at age 40 plausible. Once 40 year old men in mid careers start getting draft notices watch the yellow ribbons go out the door and the war will be over in a week.
True. And vice versa. A pox on both your houses.
Fuck you.
That's absolutely right. What have WE given? What have Americans given up?
The fourth amendment? democracy?
Smalfish--the regime is at war with its citizens. They're simply trying to implode the ME as a means of lining their pockets and distracting the populace.
America is not a nation at war, but a nation with only its military at war
This administration is at war against the troops. Nothing less.
What do you expect when we have the Corporate Administration?
It acts like a corporation.
Judy Miller didn't "refuse to reveal confidential sources." That's a fucking lie!
She refused to be questioned about anything.
Too bad for the Times but JudyJudyJudy didn't become the 1st ammendment heroine they had expected she would in the public eye. Indeed the public has by now largely forgotten the bitch.
By contrast, Carole Lombard will never die!
Well, this isn't World War II, and I'm sorry the troops thought it was. But in fact, it was an unprovoked invasion. You don't ask the people back home to make those kinds of sacrifices in the name of Empire. The two ideas are rather mutually exclusive. People sacrifice for a common cause. Empire building is in no way a common cause.
The troops were lied to.
And those stupid yellow magnets are all starting to fade, just like the support for this war.
©smalfish
Yeah they're turning white, just like flags of surrender.
True. And vice versa. A pox on both your houses.
Fuck you.
The ugly truth stings a bit, doesn't it? Anti-war slacktivists are no different from slacktivist pseudo-patriots. Fuck you both.
Once 40 year old men in mid careers start getting draft notices watch the yellow ribbons go out the door and the war will be over in a week
Jeeze, I've been in my "carrer for 20 years now, and I'm only "mid career"?
Happy happy joy joy.
I wonder if I'll be as productive in the next 20 years?
Does that mean that Ann-Margaret isn't coming?
Elaine--we are sacrificing. We're sacrificing the right to education, health care, livable cities, public transit, wildlands, and worst of all, our rights that are supposed to be guaranteed by the Constitution.
Also all those bows on the back of the SUVs. Americans have given about three bucks a head to the Chinese, to show that they support the troops.
Looks like Brazil's government is getting all over the British authorities for gunning down one of their citizens in the London Tubes...
Anti-war slacktivists are no different from slacktivist pseudo-patriots. Fuck you both.
So, if I'm anti-war, I should go and fight in the war?
That's fucking retarded.
By contrast, Carole Lombard will never die!
God, I hope not. Sexy *and* funny. Mmm...
Join your local selective service board
http://www.sss.gov/localboardmem...s/
bminquiry.asp
Worst of all, we've sacrificed sanity and meaningful dialogue--without being asked to. It was simply stolen from us.
Jeeze, I've been in my "carrer for 20 years now, and I'm only "mid career"?
Happy happy joy joy.
I wonder if I'll be as productive in the next 20 years?
©smalfish
By the time Bushco is done with trying to kill Social Security we'll all be working til 80!
The ugly truth stings a bit, doesn't it?
Here's some ugly truth for you: 1-800-GOARMY.
Or are you just a "slacktivist"?
Agent Orange--assuming we can find jobs.
On a cheerier note, we have warm blueberry pie and ice cream. Takers?
Why do the soldiers have backwards US flags on their shoulders?
Eventually, entire battalions will desert. From the reserve units, first. That's what it's going to take. We certainly can't do anything to stop it.
The ugly truth stings a bit, doesn't it? Anti-war slacktivists are no different from slacktivist pseudo-patriots. Fuck you both.
No, what I meant was that you're a preeening, smug, pseudo-intellectual, ineffectual asshole. It was on that basis I said "fuck you."
Eli--have you trolled for any other terrible movies that are on tonight?
On a cheerier note, we have warm blueberry pie and ice cream. Takers?
Absolutely! Not exactly a sacrifice, but you gotta go with the patriotic gestures you have...
So, if I'm anti-war, I should go and fight in the war? That's fucking retarded.
No, you should put your money where you mouth is and commit civil disobedience if you really believe what you say.
I miss the 1760+ dead. I miss them all.
Nothing is worth them. Nothing.
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The ugly truth stings a bit, doesn't it? Anti-war slacktivists are no different from slacktivist pseudo-patriots. Fuck you both.
Well, except that we're not the ones who started the war in the first place.
it is so sad.
i listened to a north dakotan this afternoon on atc weekend edition who had lost an arm in iraq.
personally, i think that he had lost his brain as well. he was quite cheerful about it all. if my recollection serves me well, i think he said that the loss of his limb was the price of promoting democracy.
so, there it is in a nutshell. amerika is infested by nutcases.
i don't quite understand this guy. and suffice it to say, i understood so few during my days in the corps. i didn't understand the gungwhores. and i never understood the sunshine patriots who wore their panties to their draft physicals - loudly proclaiming their support of the troops while falsely mincing towards their prostate inspection.
if i were ever to be packing heat,.....
Qualifications for becoming a Local Board Member:
Must be 18 years old or older
Must be a citizen of the United States
Men must have registered with the Selective Service,
except those born from March 29, 1957 through December 31, 1959.
Must not be an employee of any law enforcement organization
Must not be an active or retired member of the Armed Forces
Must not have been convicted of any criminal offense.
Umm, one of the ways of avoiding the draft is not updating your place of reisidence with the selective service. If I'm to join a draft board, they will have "refound" me. I think I'll take my chances with them not knowing where I am. Of course thats assuming the intergovernmental agencies are still not conversing.
If we want to draw the parallel to World War II, I would be more supportive if, after the war was won, this country could have a growing middle class, advancement in civil rights, and some decent new novels.
You know, like what happened after World War II. Think it'll happen?
And a good number have given up thinking.
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True. But it's not a much valued asset with the folks who're willing to give it up. I think sallyh said it well:
Smalfish--the regime is at war with its citizens. They're simply trying to implode the ME as a means of lining their pockets and distracting the populace.
breaking the army, breaking the economy, breaking the will of the people.
it's hard work. ok not so hard if you enjoy the plushness of the oval office "bring it on"
eventually people will tire of the blood lust. 'course they'll be broke and broken. fuck 'em.
We'll be working until we're dead. There will be no retirement, unless you're a robber baron.
21st century style robber baron. Inflated stock prices and off shore bank accounts.
Eli--have you trolled for any other terrible movies that are on tonight?
I had the TV off for a while, but came back to Epoch, which came on after the devil volcano. Something to do with a mysterious monolith thingy floating in midair and swatting attacking fighter jets out of the sky.
It has David Keith *and* Ryan O'Neal. And that guy who played the shapeshifting alien assassin on X-Files.
,i>money where you mouth is and commit civil disobedience if you really believe what you say.
You're right! I'm going to DC right now and jump some turnstiles!
Thanks, buddy!
Sallyh, so nice of you to save me from the cookie dough ice cream waiting in the freezer...
...damn. THAT didn't work...
(slinks guiltily off to get a bowl)
Also all those bows on the back of the SUVs. Americans have given about three bucks a head to the Chinese, to show that they support the troops.
Some idiot in my office brought yellow ribbon magnets in one day to hand out. He spent a buck a piece for them. I tossed mine into the waste basket and he was horrified that I didn't "support our troops". He's a nice guy, but pretty dim. I think he actually believes that slapping a hokey yellow ribbon on his gigantic pick up truck has some meaning to "our troops".
Hahaha.
According to the NYT magazine that just came online, chimpanzees love to watch..,
JERRY SPRINGER.
gads. Aren't we civilized.
You know, that's really pathetic that's what it's going to take.
Why do the soldiers have backwards US flags on their shoulders?
TardBlossom
Believe it or not that was debated. Flags on the right shoulder have reversed field cause somehow it looked better. Something about the wind blowing front to back and how it looked. I think it's all weirdly a style issue.
Anyone else recall?
It's boomtime for the middle class. I know several people with NO college education that make 150k a year.
Captain Goto--actually, we do have a bit of Ben + Jerry's cookie dough ice cream, although we have vanilla for the pie. And, for anyone in the Bay Area, it's Double Rainbow French Vanilla.
"mass self-fellatio"
and the humming is getting deafening.
No, you should put your money where you mouth is and commit civil disobedience if you really believe what you say.
Where and when baby? Where and when. Cause we all know ther is strenght in numbers. Without the numbers those of us commiting said Civil Disobediance are sitting ducks.
WHere and when?
They also love Terminator movies.
Jeeze. This is rather scary, actually. What if one of them becomes President of the USA?
On a cheerier note, we have warm blueberry pie and ice cream. Takers?
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Oooohh, yes, please.
And I sent youan email!
From the Halliburton career section: Security Officer 1 :
Stands guard, walks, and/or patrols premises to prevent theft, violence, or infraction of rules.
Are you fucking kidding me?!?
They also love Terminator movies.
Jeeze. This is rather scary, actually. What if one of them becomes President of the USA?
What, chimps or terminators? Seems to me we hit the bifecta.
It's boomtime for the middle class. I know several people with NO college education that make 150k a year.
Strawman.
Liar.
Conman.
Prove it asshole or sht the fuck up.
Those of us "uneducated" middle classers making a " good living" are really having a hard time. I know.I see it and live it everyfucking day!
"Eli--have you trolled for any other terrible movies that are on tonight?"
"Bad Girls" is on Fox Movie Channel.
It's bad, but not horrible enough to be really interesting.
Can't hold a candle to "Mansquito" in that respect.
It's boomtime for the middle class. I know several people with NO college education that make 150k a year.
And they do it from the comfort of their won homes! Would you like to make this kind of money? We have a special offer....
I can bring Mansquito, Fallen Ones, and/or Alien Apocalypse to EschaCon for DIYMST3K. Just say the word.
It's boomtime for the middle class. I know several people with NO college education that make 150k a year.
Yeah they play "Texas Hold 'em" for a living.
charley, don't look at this.
Mena--and I just emailed you back 
If the officer corps is catching on (it's taken them long enough to figure it out) then the danger level is going up.
For the deserting coward and the rest of his gang of draftdodging warmongers.
"It's boomtime for the middle class. I know several people with NO college education that make 150k a year."
Yeah, I saw all three of them on Carlton Sheets's "Buy Real Estate with No Money Down" info-mercial.
One has a big-ass yacht.
Eli--I'll worship you if you bring those.
Or at least I'll quit blaming you for everything (crosses fingers behind her back).
Anti-war slacktivists are no different from slacktivist pseudo-patriots. Fuck you both.
not sure of the origin of this, but give it time bud were only two short years in. things promise to get very ugly indeed. as the post we are commenting on amply indicates.
i blame poor leadership. i blame bush, or that craven dick...
Eli - is DIYMST3K BYOB?
Dang it! Why do I keep getting that pic?? Sorry charley. Let me try again. I having some tag issues or something going on here.
The problem with you people is that there is a certain kind of work you refuse to do. I know a guy in the midwest with a lawn care business that has cleared 100k a year for 20 years. Electricians, plumbers, all kinds of sales oriented jobs all pay well. You just have to be bold and find them.
Eli - is DIYMST3K BYOB?
Sure, WTF not?
It's boomtime for the middle class
Kodak in Rochester NY plans to lay off another 10,000. Boom...you're out of here!
It's boomtime for the middle class. I know several people with NO college education that make 150k a year.
Are you with Quixtar? Who's your diamond?
(crosses fingers behind her back).
I saw that.
ELI! Don't believe her, shes making promises just wont keep!
It's boomtime for the middle class. I know several people with NO college education that make 150k a year.
All named Guckert? Pyramid schemes? Driving trucks in Iraq?
Eli--I'll worship you if you bring those.
Consider it done. The Organizing Committee will need to wrangle a projector...
might be more like Germany after WWI...economy gone to hell, bitter betrayed soldiers... who knows?
Has the ACLU done anything positive recently? Does anyone really care about Abu Ghraib? There were some anomalies and the UCMJ is taking care of the problem. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, there's a war on and some people are chit-chatting about Harry Potter, smoker grills and wine. Reminds me of the old saw about Nero fiddling while Rome burned.
Fortunately we have a leadership that is not distracted by comments from the Peanut Gallery.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...2201642_pf.html
yeah, I,m going to need to find a job around the first of next year, damn sorry I'm too old to enlist again maybe Jonan can take my place now that the age is uo to 42? Like that Yellow Elephant idea.
I'm sick of anyone who tries to make me feel guilty about not sacrificing my 20 year old son to an illegal war. My husband and I did everything we could do-gave money, knocked on doors, attended dem county, district, and state conventions, etc.... to try and beat republicans since the early 80s-we also gave a lot of time to the gore campaign (we were heartsick when he picked his running mate-but we stood firm). There is no reason to sacrifice my son's well-being OR anyone else's sons and daughters for the policies of bush and the rest of the crooks in this administration.
Eli - ooh, please do bring mansquito. I missed the original experience, and I'm morbidly curious to find out what a *mangina* is (shudder).
A lot of service oriented work seems degrading at first site, but there is room for independent initiative and entrepreneurship.
The problem with you people is that there is a certain kind of work you refuse to do. I know a guy in the midwest with a lawn care business that has cleared 100k a year for 20 years.
I know some like that, too. They all employ illegal aliens and pay them in chickenshit.
The flag is backwards so it doesn't look like the soldiers are retreating. The staff has to face front.
I know a guy in the midwest with a lawn care business that has cleared 100k a year for 20 years
And how much per hour does he pay the Mexicans who do the work. Does he provide health, dental plans to his staff or are they just illegals?
Because... it's...
Boomtime for middle-class in 'Murika
Winter for moonbats and libs...
kent: so I should just piss away a 30-yr career as an engineer, because I actually had confidence in my country's ability, to, you know, actually manufacture shit for itself?
Because no one's offering me HALF that to do the job I'm trained and experienced at.
"Has the ACLU done anything positive recently?"
Have you taken your medication recently?
I know a guy in the midwest with a lawn care business that has cleared 100k a year for 20 years. Electricians, plumbers, all kinds of sales oriented jobs all pay well. You just have to be bold and find them.
Ah yes, the strawman is revealed. We are to believe that we can make a million dollars doing grunt work for the ultra rich, who don't/ won't pay the kind of money it takes average Joe's to survive.
Hey pal, take your bullshit to someone who does'nt know what your talking about.
Anon--I'm with you. My daughter is your son's age, and I will not sacrifice her, nor her age mates, to this illegal and unjust war.
On a cheerier note, we have warm blueberry pie and ice cream. Takers?
Sallyh
There's always a bright side.
Yummmy!!
If the country thought the war were really worth fighting, the country would be fully behind it and making sacrifices whether the preznit asked them to or not.
Yep. When aliens or the chinese invade california I'll be happy to enlist.
Until then they can kiss my pink ass.
There were some anomalies and the UCMJ is taking care of the problem.
Getting assfucked with a chem light is a little more serious than an "anomaly."
Eli - ooh, please do bring mansquito. I missed the original experience, and I'm morbidly curious to find out what a *mangina* is (shudder).
Well, I don't think Mansquito will answer that itching & burning question, but I might could bring Duece Bigalow as well...
Flory--I emailed you Mena's and my hotel confirmation; let me know if you don't get it.
Will that be plain or a la mode with Double Rainbow French Vanilla?
Flag patch on the shoulder:
If I remember my history correctly, it is an old tradition.
The field appears on the opposite side, because the soldier is being lead by the flag (the standard bearer was always at the front of an advancing line, and the flag streams back from the staff it is attached to). We don't have the standard bearer leading a unit into battle any longer, so this is supposed to be symbolic of that.
Err, Deuce, rather. I knew that.
Hey, Eli...
Is there any reason for me to be watching this volcano movie?
Yeah, but at least the homos can't get married!
A Democrat? Ya think?
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/0...5204/
542520.stm
My Jimmy Carter-classmate-dad was a military officer his entire adult life. As a child, I was taken to maybe 100 Navy funerals: for both war dead and test pilots. There becomes a point where the majesty takes over from the sadness; none the less I saw the awfulness in my dad's eyes every single time. These were not just men; they were men he knew. I believe it cost him years on his life. This hymn makes me cry, every fucking time I hear it.
Every fucking time,
I love my country. I hate my President.
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J.E. Thornhill to stupid to realise he's being fucked as surely as the rest of us.
Fortunately we have a leadership that is not distracted by comments from the Peanut Gallery.
Jenna Dear, show me again how to turn up the volume on my iPod while I'm on the exercise bike.
Let's see tomorrow pull weeds all day. I like pulling weeds, it's hard work just like being President.
Is this 'kent' the source of the flatulent stench in the room?
Is there any reason for me to be watching this volcano movie?
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Boring AND stupid.
No guts, aliens or gore. And the annoying prick guy lives until the end.
Jeez, the nihilist trolls are out. Civil disobedience presupposes a civil society. Ours is gone, maybe only for the moment, maybe not. John Gibson has broken the law of civil society, and should be punished, but won't be. Uncivil disobedience is the new black. This administration has disobeyed federal law and order several times, and arbitrarily made up its own rules whenever it was convenient. The law has to be allowed to work, and until it no longer does, action in the streets will have to be much more than civil disobedience, because THEY will not have it otherwise. And once again, they will lose, but it will cost us so much.
Is there any reason for me to be watching this volcano movie?
So you can explain it to the rest of us? 'Cuz we have no clue.
Isn't Thornhill the "Although not a sodomite myself" guy?
Heh.
Does anyone know who's on Meet the Press?
4Legs--how's the Lion Kitty tonight?
Are you feeling any better?
So you can explain it to the rest of us? 'Cuz we have no clue.
What that movie had to do with science fiction is beyond me.
Boring and stupid.
Not even a token appearance by Satan.
The problem with you people...
WTF?!? Where do you get off, friend? You don't know a damned person that reads these threads.
Take your 'Free Astro-Glide with Every Commemorative Reagan Video' macho Bush in his shirt-sleeves bullshit and tell your story walkin'.
I have done every kind of work. Every kind, brother. I started mowing lawns at 8 yrs old. I did farm work, I had a paper route, I shoveled snow, I've cleaned operating rooms, I've pumped gas and turned wrenches, I've operated bulldozers, I've done maintenance and janitorial work.
Don't paint me with your wannabegreat generation bullshit. Piss off, ya fuckin git!
A Friend--we aren't even permitted to honor those who sacrificed in this war. And that's criminal.
Does anyone know who's on Meet the Press?
I would guess Joe Biden and Orin Hatch.
4Legs--how's the Lion Kitty tonight?
Are you feeling any better?
Lion kitty is fine. He's eating alarming amounts of cat food.
I feel like crap. Like I have mono or something.
The service sector is the way to go! It's booming, jobs all over the place at McDonalds and other similar places! You can easily get a part-time job, anyway, so convenient and no boring bureaucratic hassle about health insurance and pensions (well, there won't be any). Or you can pick strawberries in California! Think of it, out in the sun with the whole family!
This is how bushits see the country.
Not even a token appearance by Satan.
It did have a really *hot* chick, though!
There's a new diary over at Kos with pictures of some of the wounded soldiers. It's heartbreaking. How many thousand dead and wounded? If Al Qaeda had killed and maimed so many of our young people we would nuke Iran. But when Bush sends them to this fate, he is reelected.
And now the Republican smears and lies in the ScooterGate coverup...these people just sicken and disgust me.
And I am losing faith in the idea that we can fix our problems at the ballot box.
Our media...why haven't Friday's hearings gotten ANY significant coverage outside of CSPAN (God bless them)? Even Olbermann didn't cover them. I think if those hearings were shown to every American there'd be a big mob at the White House with torches and pitchforks the next morning. But people just have no idea. Keep 'em stupid & unhappy. They buy more stuff that way, and they buy it on credit.
I'm only 37 but I don't think this country used to operate this way.
In the 80s we had the Swaggarts and the Bakkkers and the Ollie Norths (and the frightening "Ollie is a Hero" crowd) but they seemed marginal and freakish. Now they are in power and they seem mainstream.
How did Bush win a single fucking state last year? I just don't get it.
Is our country stupid, or are we actually evil? It's a question I think is worth considering.
End of rant.
Sigh.
I would guess Joe Biden and Orin Hatch.
I would guess Timmeh and a gaggle of wankers.
disobedience presupposes a civil society.
In Plano Texas (all American city) bastion of conservatism if ever there was one, all the stopr lights have signs urging citizens to " obey the law" and stop at red lights. Seems the people of that (ugly) fine city are above the law and order thing, and the government is urging obediance.
4lg,
You are denying yourself the awesome power of the Volcano.
Embrace it, let its warmth envelop you. For only then will the absurdity of the movie be exposed, and enjoyment will be had by all.
If the economy wasn't booming, interest rates wouldn't be on the rise. That's the bottom line.
Don't paint me with your wannabegreat generation bullshit. Piss off, ya fuckin git!
Ripley
And what about his dog eared copies of Ayn Rand.
4Lg, young DWD just was diagnosed with Mono. Such wonderful news after spending a week in the car and a cabin with him . . . .
It did have a really *hot* chick, though!
She was only hot when she was coated in lava.
At least Sullivan discusses stuff like this.
"There's a war on" says the troll. So.
Has the troll begun driving a smaller, more fuel efficient car to help reduce our dependence on foreign oil? Has the troll contributed to a fund to buy armor for the troops? Has the troll contacted its Congressman to voice concern about the cuts in veteran's benefits?
It goes without saying the troll hasn't *volunteered* for anything.
C'mon, J.E., impress us by backing up all your claims to moral superiority.
Is our country stupid, or are we actually evil?
Both.
So sorry.
Ala mode for me please, my dear Sallyh.
And when do we get a new picture of MAxx? His hair should be growing in faster now.
They are all giving up rights. And a good number have given up thinking.
It's a proxy civil war.
All the fighting is 8,000 away, but the issues are here.
OT: Better than Botox
The secret to the eternal youthful look of Tony Blair's face has been officially revealed: He spends twice as much money on makeup than the average British woman, says Downing Street.
The government admitted during Parliamentary Question Time on Thursday that Blair paid Ł1800 ($3100 dollars) for makeup and esthetic treatments over the last six years.
During the May elections, observers noted a strange orange cast to Blair's facial complexion.
[Mr. Tony-Trust-Me]Blair assured the public that he had acquired a tan by soaking up some sun in his garden during the month of April. [An April tan in Britain? Hmmm.]
Piss off, ya fuckin git!
Whoo hoo!
I like it!
If the economy wasn't booming, interest rates wouldn't be on the rise. That's the bottom line.
This is a travesty troll. The interest rates are on the rise because they were hovering around zero and foreign money is fleeing the country in search for better rates.
Kent:
Hasn't our booming economy created some very dangerous SUV-infested traffic that you could be playing in right now?
Just a thought . . ..
interest rates wouldn't be on the rise
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
another victim of correspondence-course business 101...
WTFWJD? - word (But I personally go for the stupid argument)
This is how bushits see the country.
Remember when they (was it Wankiw?) tried to float the idea that fast food jobs should be counted as manufacturing, 'cuz they're *making* the burgers?
i am a brown peoples and us brown peoples dont give a shit aboout a white peoples damned war. why should we? we have enough problems of our own without worrying about another war some white ass mother fucker started and now cant finish. shit on his ass. as for you white peoples i would suggest you get your white mother fucking asses on down to the recruiting stations, push the brown asses out of the way and sign the fuck on up. help yo' damned selves. brown peoples, i urge you to sit your damned asses down and watch the white people go to war for the glory they not gonna give your asses and laugh at them. loving your country doesnt always mean fighting every fight they decide to get going, and while im sorry for every death that goes on there, and all who grieve and all that, well, life goes on. you should not be there, and im sure youll be glad when youre home. i simply dont give support to a war we shouldnt even be in because our only diplomacy seems to be putting on some stupid ass texas boots and run around stompin brown peoples asses and taking what belongs to them (oil) all the while smashing their country into a smoldering heap of rubble and killing and maiming the inocent on both sides. why should i, a brown people, already stomped into the ground in this damned hatefilled country, support you over there stomping another brown people? you cant deal with the hatred that white peoples have for the brown peoples they brought to this country, so you let yourselves be sent to another brown country to engender and foster more hatred and you wonder why no one supports you? think again, please white peoples.
peace
jazzy
4Lg, young DWD just was diagnosed with Mono.
I really don't need to have mono.
I have far too much work to do.
I think it's just a really bad sinus infection. And there's a chance I've caught bartonella from lion kitty.
She was only hot when she was coated in lava.
Dude, she burned the guy's arm!
Not to be an asshole or anything, but I think it is spelt ghit (at least that the spelling my English friend uses - that the spelt thing . . .)
Ripley--people here have done a lot of different things. The overwhelming impression I get of everyone here is that we all work very hard, nay, brutally hard, to earn our keep. I haven't done as much as you have prior to my pro life, but I did nanny, babysit, wait tables, tend bar, deliver newspapers, shovel snow, and my first pro job was teaching violent offenders at juvie, which was a hell of an introduction to teaching.
Those of us in the white collar community who are not shoving other people's money around are hurting in almost every area as well.
GGGGGooooooooooooddddddd Morningggg Vietnam....er...Iraq.
Isn't Thornhill the "Although not a sodomite myself" guy?
None other. Which makes him one of Eschaton's all-time greatest buffoons, second (I'd argue) only to Ashlyn Gere.
I'm sick of anyone who tries to make me feel guilty about not sacrificing my 20 year old son to an illegal war. My husband and I did everything we could do-gave money, knocked on doors, attended dem county, district, and state conventions, etc.... to try and beat republicans since the early 80s-we also gave a lot of time to the gore campaign (we were heartsick when he picked his running mate-but we stood firm). There is no reason to sacrifice my son's well-being OR anyone else's sons and daughters for the policies of bush and the rest of the crooks in this administration.
anon
testify sister, don't sacrifice your child to Busheviki imperial hubris
Lachlan and James Murdoch are military age, they can fight instead of your son, since they are so keen on this war.
Kodak in Rochester NY plans to lay off another 10,000. Boom...you're out of here!
Agent Orange
Digital Rust, actually been wanting to post this for NTodd, Eli you should take a look. scroll down third post.
and anyone who likes Bukowski, pretty interesting site.
Oh, sorry you're still not feeling well, 4LG.
4Lg, young DWD just was diagnosed with Mono.
My condolences! I got it at about nineteen, and didn't feel quite well again for almost a year. After climbing the staircase I'd have to take a nap.
Lava is another one of those things I have a phobia about.
The Organizing Committee will need to wrangle a projector...
Not an issue.
And when do we get a new picture of MAxx? His hair should be growing in faster now.
Here's one from yesterday:
Maxx dreaming of... mice or something.
and taking what belongs to them (oil)
Wrong. Resources should be distributed to those who can best use them.
Ollie Norths (and the frightening "Ollie is a Hero" crowd)
And doesn't North have some kinda TV show like "War Stories" This fucker was convicted of 5 counts of lying to Congress so Ronald Reagan could pretend he forgot that he OKed trading 4000 TOW missiles and 250 Hawk anti-aircraft missles to Iran for hostages.
And did I read that North started or is partner to a private security firm making money on the Iraq War. Someone should ask North about how much he's made war profiteering.
sally - it's beyond criminal - it is evil. I am absolutely distraught over the treatment of our war dead and war veterans. What happened? What the fuck happened?
Notice the tufts between lion kitty's toes.
He's prepared in case we have a freak snow storm.
Wow! I just met kent. He's like, really stupid. He may have less going on than David P.!
I was driving over the Newport (RI) bridge last week on my way to a gig. There were over 100 sailboats flitting around the harbor. Several multimillion dollar yachts were among them. I arrived at the gates of a residence that caused me to take out my phone and call my wife, announcing "Honey, I'm playing at Bruce Wayne's place!" During the dinner set, some 200 guests filed by the band carrying plates with 3-pound lobsters on them. Directly behind me was a raw bar of awesome quality, and the pass-around was Dom Perignon. This is the war at home when you have an Empire, folks. The young, idealistic nation has grown up, and it's become the planet's bully, all the while citing its imagined goodness. Now we are being attacked by the only means a poor and desperate people have, as horrendous as it is. We are following the Imperial Playbook, only the game is accelerated by technology. Which means the inevitable fall from grace will be sharp and sudden. And maybe pretty soon.
Good eveing to most intensivively intelligent group people I have known.
I would guess Joe Biden and Orin Hatch.
I would guess Timmeh and a gaggle of wankers.
Nice one, 4lg. Hope your right.
To continue my last rant, I really don't understand how there weren't riots last November. Or calls for a general strike or something. And I say that as a profoundly middle-class, responsible, sober, father of 3.
What will it take? Why are we so fucking complacent?
Rarely is the question asked:
4legs, Lion kitty is gorgeous. So beautiful. Good choice, whether it was you or him that did the choosing.
Wrong. Resources should be distributed to those who can best use them.
That explains why you haven't got a fucking brain in your head.
Wow! I just met kent. He's like, really stupid. He may have less going on than David P.!
Definitely one to ignore.
A Friend--as a friend of mine who's a psychiatrist for the VA (specializes in PTSD) says to me, "Ready for the returning vets? Hell, we're not ready for Saturday night."
This is not the way it should be.
What will it take? Why are we so fucking complacent?
I think it's more cowardice than complacency. And to be fair, a lot of people worry about their kids, etc.
4legs, Lion kitty is gorgeous. So beautiful. Good choice, whether it was you or him that did the choosing.
He is handsome isn't he?
I picked him, but he's decided he likes me after all.
I think it was the "I'm dead, oh wait, I'm not!" episode that bonded us.
4LG, nicely done!
DWD--had mono at 16. Was tired for months afterwards. Hope your son makes a speedy recovery.
Digital Rust, actually been wanting to post this for NTodd, Eli you should take a look. scroll down third post.
Yeah, I heard about this - one of the Pittsburgh Liberal Drinkers actually works for Kodak, and mentioned this a coupla nights ago.
I think the Scary Changes In Media thing is overblown. Anything anyone wants to retain, they'll port over to the new media when they migrate to it. I know I certainly will.
What will it take? Why are we so fucking complacent?
I blame it on a shocking lack of nudibranchi.
4LG, nicely done!
Quoi?
Ronjazz--and I'm guessing that the help was not entitled to the leftovers.
ok, 4lg...you've been coasting on those same pics for days now...I demand new cuteness! moremore!
g'nighty moonbats!
Not an issue.
I'll just load up the laptop hard drive, then.
Was tired for months afterwards.
You too, eh? I was pretty amazed by how sick I got. I'd heard people talk about the "kissing disease" like it was some kind of cutesy rite of passage. In my case, it was more similar to having hepatitis...I simply could not get well.
Pardon me for not reading every post but has there been a formal declaration by Congress in accordance with the Constitution? Or, is the War Powers Act, and general reluctance to formally declare War in general or against Iraq at play here?
What will it take? Why are we so fucking complacent?
I ask my self that almost every day.
I think the answer is the Draft.
ok, 4lg...you've been coasting on those same pics for days now...I demand new cuteness! moremore!
oh all right.
Where's my camera?
I blame it on a shocking lack of nudibranchi.
four legs good
Hey, I've done my part...I posted TWO this week.
And, for anyone in the Bay Area, it's Double Rainbow French Vanilla.
Sallyh
Oh, yeah!!
Wrong. Resources should be distributed to those who can best use them.
Let me guess....The American people know est how to use them?
Which is it, we are too stupid to vote or we are the most knowledgable people on the planet?
I tire of the insincerity of these trolls.
I picked him, but he's decided he likes me after all.
I'm so glad. I love happy endings.
Henrietta the Hound picked me. She was at the shelter for abused animals and she had been attacking the front wall of the cage when anyone tried to get near her. She wagged her tail for me and behaved perfectly during the walk and glued to me during the drive home. Then she started taking the household over.
But she has never been aggressive to anyone since. Instead, she is extremely sweet to everybody but in a shy violet way.
"The problem with you people is that there is a certain kind of work you refuse to do. I know a guy in the midwest with a lawn care business that has cleared 100k a year for 20 years. Electricians, plumbers, all kinds of sales oriented jobs all pay well. You just have to be bold and find them."
Define people please?
Define certain kind of work please?
Please describe by juxtaposition of other lawn care businesses this individual? Please provide further detail in his work. Please also describe why saying this man was from the mid-west was important? How is it you know he cleared 100k for 20 years?
Can you provide evidence that backs up your contention that electricians, plumbers and sales orientated workers all have excellent pay, please consider their other benefits, business risks, health risks and general overhead as well.
Why must you be bold to find them? Are they hiding in the bushes? Is it simply an act of discovery to leap into a well paying job and avoid training, apprenticeship, simply gaining experience?
Personally I am not sure what kind of person I am and what my exact problem is. I am sure you will provide that answer however.
Please keep you answer down to 500 words and do not use vulgarity, ghastly allusions or wave the rebel flag and whoop in the process. It is not dignified and will only make comprehending your thinking that much harder to take seriously.
Also, if you still speak to this quite well to do lawn care specialist, can you ask him how to treat summer patch or as it is also known, brown patch.
Thank you in advance,
Ek.
Can somebody give a definiton of marxian 'surplus value' in the simplest possible terms.
You know, I never wanted this war, so why should I have to sacrifice?
Let the chicken hawks and the republicans give something up for a fucking change.
Wrong. Resources should be distributed to those who can best use them.
Let me guess. Someone who failed Economics101.
I'm white collar, as well, Sally. But I did the gritty work in my youth, just as you and so many here have or still do.
And I'm not making anywhere Near $100k/year.
This BS line that we're all yanked out of our private schools into a sweet Commie Professor gig just pisses me off.
I have nothing against Chelsea Clinton but she's hardly representative of the majority of liberals and Dems.
Hey, I've done my part...I posted TWO this week.
They were quite festive too!!
He's prepared in case we have a freak snow storm.
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Don't be down about that, my big old Cecil had those too, and it wasn't for any arctic winters.
wtfwjd - I'm right there with you. Really. Ready to lay down what I'm doing and get on with it. Because I'm growing more convinced it'll have to end that way. Hopefully, as peacefully as possibly, I am not advocating any more violence. I'm saying I think there are a lot of us.
ronjazz
I'm a Newporter (via the Navy).
I'm pretty sure I used to work at the place of your last gig. Too right.
The class warfare, she's alive and well to be sure.
"They say, 'I'm going to support those people, I believe in those people and God bless those people,' " he said. "By doing that, they can wash their hands of it."
True, but the spot remains.
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I'll just load up the laptop hard drive, then.
Sha-weet.
Resources should be distributed to those who can best use them.
to each according to his need, eh?
Commie.
This BS line that we're all yanked out of our private schools into a sweet Commie Professor gig just pisses me off.
Not that us commie perfessers ain't just THE SHIT, tho'...
Jus' sayin'.
The problem with you people is that there is a certain kind of work you refuse to do.
That's rich. Christ, if I listed the various types of work I've done, I doubt anyone would believe it. Cleaning public restrooms is in there, as is baking, as is construction, as is landscaping, editing, industrial hygiene, and God only knows what else. If I was ever too proud to do menial work, it got beaten out of me by about age 10.
"America is not a nation at war, but a nation with only its military at war"
No formal declaration of war was ever submitted to congress. We are not at war. We're in the middle of a police action. Plain and simple. People need to stop using the emotionally charged words like 'war' cause that is all they are doing in using it, charging up the emotions and trying to instill both patriotism and fear. I did not, nor will not, fall for it. I will not sacrifice myself or my family for a greed-based police action.
"..neither Republicans nor Democrats are pressing for a tax increase to force Americans to cover the $5 billion a month in costs from Iraq, Afghanistan and new counterterrorism missions."
None of us poor people want to pay for this rich man's war. They're the ones getting the big billion dollar contracts and making all the money off the killing of others. The war is nothing more than a scam meant to enrish big republican donors.
"Nobody in America is asked to sacrifice, except us," said one officer just back from a yearlong tour in Iraq,"
You knew what you were getting in to.
You knew what president you were serving.
You knew what the war was being sold as.
You knew that sometimes even dark skinned people shoot back.
You knew all these things and in the case of so many, chose to enlist right after 9/11. Now pay the price for your foolish nationalistic exuberance.
MYOB'
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To continue my last rant, I really don't understand how there weren't riots last November. Or calls for a general strike or something. And I say that as a profoundly middle-class, responsible, sober, father of 3.
What will it take? Why are we so fucking complacent?
Rarely is the question asked:
Well, it was a subject that concerned WWII Secretary of War, Henry Stimson a great deal.
Lookit me...all blogwhoring and stuff.
ronjazz--tales from the musician abuse dept.:
One of my brother's bands played a wedding in CT a few weeks back. At break, they went to get sodas at the bar. The mother of the bride stopped them and informed them that the vending machines were outside--they could get their own beverages. The bartender told them she'd slip them some sodas when she had a minute.
My da taught me that when you have an event, you have enough to serve the waitstaff, bartenders, and musicians, and that it's gauche not to feed them.
Wrong. Resources should be distributed to those who can best use them.
Let me guess. Someone who failed Economics101.
Maybe a socialist?
No guts, aliens or gore. And the annoying prick guy lives until the end.
four legs good
Well what the hell's it doing on the SciFi Channel?
Does no one have standards anymore?
Let me guess. Someone who failed Economics101.
Echidne of the snakes
I'd say that passing or failing that class is equally likely to signify idiocy (present and divine company excepted, of course).
That's rich. Christ, if I listed the various types of work I've done, I doubt anyone would believe it.
When I first started working in high school, I had a theory- that there are two kinds of jobs in the world: those that could possibly involve cleaning a toilet at some point, and those that couldn't.
I have yet to move into category #2, so to speak.
Jay Carolina--have you taken the bar exam yet?
It is sort of true that I have never done any of the human stuff called work. Only goddessing which comes to me quite naturally. But I do clean up after the dogs. Does that count as work?
Okay, new Maxx picture:
Maxx and his mousie
Where is the good?
How does one enjoin others to enlist in a civil disobedience campaign?
From Stars and Stripes:
Sunday, July 24, 2005
Landstuhl treats its 25,000th patient in war on terror
Hospital in Germany is first stop for many wounded soldiers
By Steve Mraz, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Tuesday, July 19, 2005
A combination of more than 25,000 troops, civilians and coalition members from 37 countries involved in the global war on terrorism has received treatment at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany.
By the numbers
Total number of combat and noncombat injuries:
OEF OIF
Inpatient 634 6,524
Outpatient 2,159 15,836
TOTAL: 2,793 22,360
Source: Landstuhl Regional Medical Center
I'd say that passing or failing that class is equally likely to signify idiocy (present and divine company excepted, of course).
HAH! Caught you! You look down on me and my divine economic knowledge.
I have failed more students in Economics 101 than anyone else I know. I have done my bit.
I feel like crap. Like I have mono or something.
four legs good
Do they have WEst Nile or Lyme disease in your neck of the woods?
If they do, you might wanna get a checkup.
I'll start a beer drive.
Well what the hell's it doing on the SciFi Channel?
Does no one have standards anymore?
I'm actually kinda liking Epoch, the movie on after it. But it *does* have David Keith.
Maxx and his mousie
" Oh dad, why are you putting that shiny light in my face while I'm tryin to sleep"?
Echidne--it's in the same category as cleaning the cat boxes, which is work.
In a couple days, sallyh. (I'm taking a little, y'know, not-reading break).
And absolutely true about feeding the band. At least with every caterer I've worked with/for.
CPA's average 120k a year. Are you to stupid to get qualified?
Maxx is tired. He spent a busy day yawning and stretching. He needs a nap.
Do they have WEst Nile or Lyme disease in your neck of the woods?
They do but I doubt I've been exposed to either.
It's probably just a sinus infection, which can make you feel really, really awful.
Wow, Eschaton has its own career counselor! Kewl!
HAH! Caught you! You look down on me and my divine economic knowledge.
Of course I don't! If you have a more doting and faithful supplicant, I'd love to hear about it.
Maxx is tired. He spent a busy day yawning and stretching. He needs a nap.
Actually he spent the day eating and purring.
And sleeping.
One thing cats can do is sleep.
I'm actually kinda liking Epoch, the movie on after it. But it *does* have David Keith.
It'd really not that bad. THough they play the shit out it.
I'm going to the malls and shopping as much as I can. What you doing?
If I was ever too proud to do menial work, it got beaten out of me by about age 10.
I had those parents, too. They were Depression Kids, and for all the opportunities they gave me, there was no escaping long days and dirty hands.
I have failed more students in Economics 101 than anyone else I know. And you would be failed in political philosophy 101.
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CPA's average 120k a year. Are you to stupid to get qualified?
I have one of those. Also a CMA. And too has two of those round things.
kent--tell my brother about that pay average. He's a CPA, specializes in nonprofit foundation taxation. He has 20 years' experience and he's barely at that.
The problem with you people is that there is a certain kind of work you refuse to do.
I would refuse to appaear on or work for a reality TV show.
Except if the show were called "Let's Kick a Moron Wingnut Troll Repeatedly in the Nuts Until He Pees Purple."
That show would rock.
It's probably just a sinus infection, which can make you feel really, really awful.
four legs good
Man, is that the truth. I had one after 9/11 that sent me to the emergency room. And I had another recently that laid me up for about two weeks. It does feel a lot like mono...weakness, nausea, dizziness, sore joints, swollen lymph nodes...
kent, your lawn mower is calling.
Maxx and his mousie
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He's filling out already. Big sweetie pie.
Night, all.
Good luck with the "rhymes-with-fool."
I'm actually kinda liking Epoch, the movie on after it. But it *does* have David Keith.
I hated it.
Stupid and boring.
I'm hard to please these days.
hadenough--but I hate shopping.
I have failed more students in Economics 101 than anyone else I know. And you would be failed in political philosophy 101.
So sue my professor. He gave me an A+ in it.
Nothing is funny anymore.
There are no 'economic' laws for distributing resources, only political arrangements. F.
Liberals are such fagwads. Always whining about something. If they actually WORKED -- to improve our nation or their own standing in it -- the might be taken seriously. However, they just whine and meow about every atrocity committed against the poor terrorists and think the rest of us care. Yawn.
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4Legs--sinus infections are truly evil. I hate using that word, as it's morally and theologically weighted, but I think sinus infections meet the criteria.
kent,
My lawn needs mowed. What say you come over and mow it for me. I'll give you 20 bucks. Only 4999 more lawns after mine, and you to will have made $100,000
G'night everybody. Sunday cometh, and that right early.
kent, you don't hold a candle to the all powerful Embigulator, and you can pucker up and kiss my well qualified, degreed recently laid off ass.
I hated it.
Stupid and boring.
I like the Mysterious Object. Definitely more creative than just another Giant Beastie movie.
Which means the inevitable fall from grace will be sharp and sudden. And maybe pretty soon.
ronjazz |
to which i say "bring it on" shit i gotta put up with digital photography.
there is something about the unstable quality of digital that is disconcerting Eli. i compare it to instant coffe vs. finely brewed java. they ain't the same thing. i imagine adaptations will occur, assuming the imperial economy lasts.
worlds goin' way too fast these days.
That show would rock.
It sure would. I'd pay to be on THAT show.
He's filling out already. Big sweetie pie.
I have a bad feeling that he's going to turn out to be a monstrously large kitty.
If they actually WORKED -- to improve our nation or their own standing in it
I clap and I clap, and they want me to clap louder.
Ok, here goes again.
Jay...the joint was on Ocean Drive, nouveau riche, not Newport money. Actually down-to-earth, normal crazies in many ways. I was OK with the guy, cause he earned it. I don't know how many people his businesses abuse every week, or anything, but it wasn't the mansions crowd. Much more fun.
Sallyh, there is no ettiquette in connecticut. It's where I now live, and it sucks way out loud. I have to laugh when I hear about the snooty intellectual northeasterner, which was oftentimes the case in Boston, where I spent most of my life, but rarely in CT. I was working at one of the casinos until the night they (taking in $3 million a day at the slots) decided to charge the band for bottled water. I consider Connecticut to be in The South.
There are no 'economic' laws for distributing resources, only political arrangements. F.
Economics is the science about distributing scarce resources amongst competing ends.
Political science is the science about distriburting scarce resources through the political process amongs competing ends.
So Keny dude, what kind of "people" are you?
correction: So Kent dude, what kind of "people" are you?
CPA's average 120k a year. Are you to stupid to get qualified?
Possibly, but I'm not an accountant.
I can, however, spell the word "too" and use it in a grammatically proper fashion.
New trolls, please...
You know I think all you lefty bloggers have short memories. Remember GWB personally went to Iraq on Thankgiving and thanked them. Now was that cool or what? He also landed a plane on that carrier in San Diego right? C'mon the guy is a "born leader". Now watch this drive?
That show would rock.
Thersites
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Yeowch! I'm a girl and that hurts!
there is something about the unstable quality of digital that is disconcerting Eli. i compare it to instant coffe vs. finely brewed java. they ain't the same thing. i imagine adaptations will occur, assuming the imperial economy lasts.
But photographs fade, too. Digital images do not. I won't get into an argument on quality, but durability is the least of my concerns when it comes to digital.
Or at least it will be when I get around to backing up my photos to DVD...
kent,
My lawn needs mowed.
Thanks for proving my point. You see it as 'dirty work', as pollution.
So Keny dude, what kind of "people" are you?
He's the "asshole" kind.
And you would be failed in political philosophy 101.
OK, we've got a chance to have a substantive discussion here. What part of political philosophy 101 are we failing to grasp? Montesquieu? Machiavelli? Hobbes? Mandeville? Plato? By all means, educate us!
I have a bad feeling that he's going to turn out to be a monstrously large kitty.
He's a maine coon or a norwegian forest cat, right?
He'll be frickin' huge.
"Wrong. Resources should be distributed to those who can best use them."
So much for private property. I could best use the Rolex my neighbor has.
Just bluffing, what I could best use right now is a gin and tonic.
Maxx is beautiful! So glad he's ok and you're all bonded and stuff.
Sinus infections suck. Been there. *sending pressure relieving, clear headed thoughts your way*
Ripley, hhe is a baby troll, he has been sent here to be nurtured in the loving arms of Eschaton. Sort of the equivalent of sending a young tribal memeber into the wild with only a knife. In this case, the knife is used to slit his own throat upon finding just how irrelevant he is in the universe after spending a bit of time here. They would have given him cyanide pills, but his masters are cheap bastards.
I can, however, spell the word "too" and use
Cheap shot. Now find another grammatical error. I'll be waiting for you to slip, which you wiil do.
Oh Kent, you sooo funny.
You are the one extolling the virtues of the $100,000 lawn mowing man, I thought you would love to jump on the bandwagon there.
4LG
Comon let him answer himself, how is he going to learn if you keep giving him the correct answer?
He'll be frickin' huge.
I was hoping he was a runt.
No such luck. Today alone he's eaten: (2) 5 1/2 oz cans of cat food, a can of fancy feast, a pouch of whiskas pate, and 3 small bowls of kitten kibble soaked in chicken broth.
He actually puts his paw on the dish and holds it still so he can lick it clean.
There are no 'economic' laws for distributing resources,
Interesting point of view. I don't think too many economists would agree with it, though.
Ooh, looky. DP and kent. The Stoopids comes to the World Wide Web. I might need to go get my idiot dog to translate Idiot for me. Sharing the other half of Ted's brain. I think I'll stay up for a bit.
I'm a liberal English professor. I mow my own lawn. Not quite clear on why I don't do "real work."
Wingnuts, being stupid, just hate smart people who work for a living, I suppose.
Remember GWB personally went to Iraq on Thankgiving and thanked them.
Preznit, give me turkey!
And uhh, cutting the grass IS fucking dirty!
I spent 2 hours the other day cutting my fucking lawn. don't tell me about it, asshole.
What part of political philosophy 101
Utilitarianism.
Let's Kick a Moron Wingnut Troll Repeatedly in the Nuts Until He Pees Purple."
That show would rock.
Thersites
And that one reality show I'd watch.
Now find another grammatical error. I'll be waiting for you to slip, which you wiil do.
Too funny...
He's a maine coon or a norwegian forest cat, right?
He'll be frickin' huge.
easily over 22 pounds maybe 30. Four Legs, you got your self what i call a dog cat.
He actually puts his paw on the dish and holds it still so he can lick it clean.
four legs good
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Oh ho ho ho, 4LG. We might have to come up with a new word for *big*. You got you a Growing Boy.
Sort of the equivalent of sending a young tribal memeber into the wild with only a knife.
Then let's file the little fucker's teeth down and be done with it.
If they've done nothing else of value, at least BushCo has made me feel better about myself.
(and listen to the wingnuts howl. a beautiful sound. slightly off key but enchanting, nonetheless)
Just bluffing, what I could best use right now is a gin and tonic.
Marcia Brady
I was just about to mix one up. Bombay Sapphire. The bottle's in the freezer, and the glasses have been chilling for about six hours now. You're welcome to join me!
What part of political philosophy 101
Utilitarianism.
Ah. The part you don't understand.
Wingnuts, being stupid, just hate smart people who work for a living, I suppose.
They just hate smart people, period.
They apparently hate grammar and punctuation as well.
4Legs--he will be huge and beautiful. Gotta catch up on the food, you know!
He looks supremely happy, which is more than I can say for our trollish interlopers.
Okay, new Maxx picture:
Odd. In that shot he looks a lot like my dad's last cat. But I've never noticed a resemblance before.
Too funny...
Good thing you didn't say "To funny"! That was a close one!
Ah. The part you don't understand.
I understand it perfectly well. Ever heard of Henry Sidgwick?
Now find another grammatical error. I'll be waiting for you to slip, which you wiil do.
Blow me!
Did I pass?
4lg,
You sure that is not a wildcat of some sort.
Sounds like you will have a monster of a cat.
There are no 'economic' laws for distributing resources,
Interesting point of view. I don't think too many economists would agree with it, though.
Hard to say, given how silly the proposition is, Phila. "Distributing resources"? He really does sound like a Marxist. Of course, he could then find the laws spelled out in Das Kapital, though he surely has not read it.
Oh ho ho ho, 4LG. We might have to come up with a new word for *big*. You got you a Growing Boy.
I shouldn't complain. A week ago I was begging him to eat and we were contemplating putting an esophagal tube in.
I called the vet thursday and said, "Nevermind. The tube WON'T be necessary."
You little snot nosed freepers. Did you teach, attend grad school, and take care of your family and house all at the same time, without hired help?
Didn't think so. And it was fucking brutal.
Next time you want to criticize someone's work ethic, choose a place other than a lefty board.
I understand it perfectly well. Ever heard of Henry Sidgwick?
See? I told you you didn't understand it.
They apparently hate grammar and punctuation as well.
Hey!
I resemble that remark.
It ain't only trolls that hate grammar and punctuation.
I called the vet thursday and said, "Nevermind. The tube WON'T be necessary."
And you'll call him next Thursday asking, "Dear God, how do I make him stop? He's started eating my neighbors!"
Good thing you didn't say "To funny"! That was a close one!
Bwa ha hahahhah hah hah ahh ahahahah ahah!
Teh funnee....
Wingnuts, being stupid, just hate smart people who work for a living, I suppose.
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Pretty much. I keep saying they're the kids from school with the squirrely pants. They never got over it. Theirs is a Resentful god.
CPA's average 120k a year. Are you to stupid to get qualified?
kent
Are you too stupid to realize most states require 45-60 credit hours of accounting classes?
What part of political philosophy 101
Utilitarianism.
kent
So, would we fail in terms of not being able to explain Bentham's felicific calculus (for instance)? Or would we fail it by disagreeing with some aspect of some version of it (act or rule?), as hundreds of economists and philosophers have done, for perfectly good reasons?
4Legs--hopefully, you won't be looking at diet cat food in the future!
Flory--don't forget the CEUs. They're mandatory, and employers don't pay for them these days like they used to.
And you'll call him next Thursday asking, "Dear God, how do I make him stop? He's started eating my neighbors!"
Actually I was thinking that today.
I guess he's making up for lost time, but sheesh. He's going to fucking bankrupt me.
Are you too stupid to realize most states require 45-60 credit hours of accounting classes?
And I thought we were supposed to be talking about fantastically lucrative jobs you could get without a college (or high school?) degree, if you're just not too proud and elitist to get your hands dirty.
Today alone he's eaten: (2) 5 1/2 oz cans of cat food, a can of fancy feast, a pouch of whiskas pate, and 3 small bowls of kitten kibble soaked in chicken broth.
Is it wrong to say it's good I don't have to clean his litter box?
Is it wrong to say it's good I don't have to clean his litter box?
I bet kent'll do it. For thirty grand.
4Legs--hopefully, you won't be looking at diet cat food in the future!
I've really never seen anything like it.
He eats way more than Zach did when he was fully grown (and 17 lbs.).
I have to admit, I became a musico very specifically to avoid working. And I like it. We actually call it "going out to play". Seriously. And, not too make too fine a point of it, troll jr., I actually do consider myself smarter than many who work. I love what I do, virtually every moment I'm doing it. That's pretty fuckin' cool, so maybe you should be mad at me, you emotionally-retarded, brainless twit. You're still wrong if you don't think that repig policies haven't led to a rapidly-expanding gap in money, thus power, among the classes.
Eli: And I thought we were supposed to be talking about fantastically lucrative jobs you could get without a college (or high school?) degree, if you're just not too proud and elitist to get your hands dirty.
And not too proud to hire undocumented foreign workers at well below market rates -- let us not forget that vital part of the equation!
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Are you too stupid to realize most states require 45-60 credit hours of accounting classes?
Not to harp on the subject , but plumbers in the state of texas are required to work 4000 hours to become licensed only. It does not mean they are qualified, either. It takes another 2000 hours to become qualified to own your own plumbing business.
So go ahead and jump on in to that profession, it is GREAT money. That is, if you can live on 19 dollars an hour.
Is it wrong to say it's good I don't have to clean his litter box?
Thank god I have a LitterMaid.
I can't afford to hire Kent.
And, not too make too fine a point of it, troll jr., I actually do consider myself smarter than many who work. I love what I do, virtually every moment I'm doing it.
Then you *are* smarter than many who work.
Thankfully, I like my job most of the time too, even though it's not exactly something that would make most people envious.
David Patterson:
You think all of this is funny. You think Rodney King is funny. You think 4 Little Girls is funny. You think Mississippi Burning is funny. You think Matthew Shepard's death is funny. You think the murder of Mary Phagan is funny. You think the trial of the Scottsboro boys is funny. You think the Holocaust is funny. You think Rwanda is funny.
And you think a Brazilian youth getting plugged five times in the skull is the funniest thing you have ever read.
You sick motherfucker.
.
kent, stop googling! Come back!
Oh dear. Phila, you broke the troll.
And not too proud to hire undocumented foreign workers at well below market rates -- let us not forget that vital part of the equation!
Well, I think that falls under getting your hands dirty.
No such luck. Today alone he's eaten: (2) 5 1/2 oz cans of cat food, a can of fancy feast, a pouch of whiskas pate, and 3 small bowls of kitten kibble soaked in chicken broth.
4lg - I think you need that $120k accounting gig.
He's gonna be high maintenance.
Ronjazz--what burns my ass most is that someone like me, who played by the rules all of her life, is finding that the game has changed. Hard work and competence do not guarantee good employment, or any employment, for that matter.
My kid bro agrees with you about CT. We're Boston area natives as well. He's there for medical school at UConn. Loathes the state.
Oh dear. Phila, you broke the troll.
'Sokay. Atrios has the free replacement unlimited warranty. A new one should be along any minute now.
Oh dear. Phila, you broke the troll.
One would hope so.
My kid bro agrees with you about CT. We're Boston area natives as well. He's there for medical school at UConn. Loathes the state.
Joe. Lieberman. Re-elected how many times?
'Nuff said.
But photographs fade, too. Digital images do not
so say the marketers of digital imaging devices. all dyes are unstable. mostly if i'm doin' art i shoot black and white.
and there is nothing wrong with mowing lawns for a living. you can make money at it. 'course if it's gonna be 150 grand you will have to abuse cheap labor. however, it's more fun to watch you guys abuse kent.
'Sokay. Atrios has the free replacement unlimited warranty. A new one should be along any minute now.
Well CRAP!!!
Atrios. Get rid of that warranty immediately.
ronjazz, if you changed your name to RonCountry or RonBootupyerass-yasonofabitch, you might have a better chance at dialogue with kent and his peers.
And btw, when the AFA was boycotting Ford, did they boycott Toby Keith, for pimping Ford's 'pro-gay/anti-family' products? Anyone? Just askin....
Forgive me, folks, but I'm fascinated by Kent's invocation of utilitarianism here and I have to go on about it a bit more.
I love Kent's apparent notion that if one disagreed with every aspect of utilitarianism - which would take some doing - one would fail a political philosophy class. Kent obviously doesn't know a hell of a lot about higher education, particularly as regards philosophy classes.
But maybe Kent just means to say that none of us understand utilitarianism in its "accepted" form (whatever he thinks that is). That might lead you to fail a class - maybe - but so might not understanding anything about Marxism. Knowing about something, and knowing something to be true, are two different things last time I checked.
"Bombay Sapphire"
Now wiping away tears at the lovely thought.
I once knew an old British lady that drank her Beefeaters straight, in a teacup. She also took goodly quantities of Valium and was partial to afternoon naps. My mother was always scared she'd take a nap and not wake up while she was visiting us.
Happiest old lady I ever met.
Hey, I have a pretty big Maine Coon, but he doesn't eat like that. Maybe it's a growth thing. Jeez, he's gonna cost more than a Jaguar to maintain.
Atrios. Get rid of that warranty immediately.
I think that warranty is implicit in his contract with Blogger.
all dyes are unstable.
The memory in my computer has unstable dyes?
Who fucking knew?
Atrios. Get rid of that warranty immediately.
It's the only warranty they pay *you* to take. He'd go bankrupt if he tried to cancel it.
Hey, I have a pretty big Maine Coon, but he doesn't eat like that. Maybe it's a growth thing. Jeez, he's gonna cost more than a Jaguar to maintain.
I'm hoping it's a temporary thing.
God, but am I hoping that.
ronjazz, if you changed your name to RonCountry or RonBootupyerass-yasonofabitch, you might have a better chance at dialogue with kent and his peers.
I have to admit, "rongoth", "ronhairband", or "ronprogrock" would just crack me right up...
"Kent's invocation of utilitarianism "
I just thought he was being a bigot and a jerk. I didn't realize there was something more formal in the process.
A Friend, I keep meaning to ask...
Is your nym related to 'Disclosure', by chance?
And not too proud to hire undocumented foreign workers at well below market rates -- let us not forget that vital part of the equation!
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Well, it IS all about keeping costs down. Just smart bidness. Duh.
I wonder what can be done to void the warranty? Is there a Blogger FAQ on this?
EkCenTrik--well, there is that as well.
4lg, he may just be catching up. When he went to the vet, was it for a problem with his teeth? If he's had problems eating for a while, then was quite ill from the anesthesia (IIRC) he's got some serious eating to do.
I took in a stray once that ate like a hog for at least a week, then calmed down. We're talking 6 packets of tender vittles a day. Either she got caught up, or finally believed food was no longer scarce.
Kent obviously doesn't know a hell of a lot about higher education, particularly as regards philosophy classes.
But maybe Kent just means to say that none of us understand utilitarianism in its "accepted" form (whatever he thinks that is). That might lead you to fail a class - maybe - but so might not understanding anything about Marxism. Knowing about something, and knowing something to be true, are two different things last time I checked.
kent struck me as a classic example of someone who has only read one book.
"Kent's invocation of utilitarianism "
I am SO glad I dont need to know anything about "utilitarianism", to know that I am being fucked by our current political leaders.
Either she got caught up, or finally believed food was no longer scarce.
Or her legs no longer reached the floor, and could therefore not get to the food bowl...
You know, maybe I can pay for lion kitty's food by writing a sci-fi movie script about a radioactive maine coon kitten who terrorizes a city and wipes out whole bird species.
He could have a big scene with the hot science babe where he tosses her in the air prior to crunching her in his giant canines.
Then he'll purr and knock many heliocopters from the sky.
Sounds like a winner to me, 4lg. I think he should have a fondness for biting people's heads right off.
kent struck me as a classic example of someone who has only read one book.
Thersites
And I bet it was the Cliffs Notes version of that book
When he went to the vet, was it for a problem with his teeth?
He had a gum infection which made it painful for him to eat.
I'd just like to say that Friedkin did a much better exorcism scene than this stupid movie.
Okay. I'm comically behind on the conversation. Running along holding the caboose. I'm going to let go and smoke, and then maybe come back.
And no, I did not say what would be smoked, did I?
Hell that just reminded me, I am like three hours late dispensing the kitty treats. brb I only hope it is not too late....
Good evening batties and common mountain trolls
And you'll call him next Thursday asking, "Dear God, how do I make him stop? He's started eating my neighbors!"
this made me think of one of my favorite dead milkmen songs...
"big lizard in my backyard"
I have to admit, "rongoth", "ronhairband", or "ronprogrock" would just crack me right up...
I backedspaced because I don't want to give ron a complex. heh!
ron, who loves ya, Baby???
I think he should have a fondness for biting people's heads right off.
That's an excellent idea.
Oh dear. Phila, you broke the troll.
Shucks. And I was hoping we could have a nice little chinwag about Hayek's views on utilitarianism, as well as the views of the many other conservative thinkers who ostensibly rate freedom over pleasure.
And I bet it was the Cliffs Notes version of that book
Naa, thats too high falutin. He likes the readers digest condensed version.Readers is a rebublican mainstay, ya know.
Oh hell. Get ready for 9-11, Part Deux.
Cheney to Generals: Prepare to Attack Iran
This is so not looking good.
Mena--then you'll like me as a roommate
kent struck me as a classic example of someone who has only read one book.
At least this time it wasn't that damnedable 'Bible' all the kids are so crazy about...
thersites,
what's this about you mowing your own lawn? Don't you have slaves, I mean children for that?
He likes the readers digest condensed version.
Large type edition.
Large type edition.
Fully illustrated, of course.
I can understand your anger, Sallyh. My family background prepared me for decision-making and independence, and being a free-lance musician is a very independent way to go. I see all around me the "rules" being gamed or artificially interpreted by those who would gain unfair advantage. I only can do what I do because I have kept myself relatively free of material encumberances, in that even though I'm pretty comfortable, I can do without it in a snap. And I have my "Rule Of 2", which allows that only 2% of anything or anyone you encounter is worth thinking about. Saves mucho time. But, it is a luxury, affordable only by those who truly don't give a shit what other people think of them, as long as knowing right and wrong and the Golden Rule are operative.
Well, this is interesting:
"Meanwhile, a parallel investigation is under way into who forged the Niger documents. They are known to have been passed to an Italian journalist by a former Italian defence intelligence officer, Rocco Martino, in October 2002, but their origins have remained a mystery. Mr Martino has insisted to the Italian press that he was "a tool used by someone for games much bigger than me", but has not specified who that might be.
A source familiar with the inquiry said investigators were examining whether former US intelligence agents may have been involved in possible collaboration with Iraqi exiles determined to prove that Saddam Hussein had a nuclear programme."
Utilitarianism is not necessary for there to be a social welfare function to be maximized. I assume Ken is talking about that part of economics, and political science, the normative one.
Even if a utilitarian formulation is adopted the shape and arguments of the function could have all sorts of different effects on the outcomes. It's all purely technical and doesn't imply that Ken would get the resources before someone else. Unless we assign an infinite weight to being a wingnut troll or something.
Ronjazz--the thing is, I didn't mind following the rules. They used to serve me well.
Now, not so much.
4lg-great scifi movie idea.
MAXX, he preys on trolls!
Lion Kitty's hungry, RUN!
And I have my "Rule Of 2", which allows that only 2% of anything or anyone you encounter is worth thinking about. Saves mucho time.
See, I'd waste all my time trying to figure out what/who was in the 2%...
"kent" struck me as someone repeating the wisdom of his boss at the lawnmowing company, who probably almost finished a book one time.
what's this about you mowing your own lawn? Don't you have slaves, I mean children for that?
Naa, it's all about the hunt for the elusive Ocelot.
A source familiar with the inquiry said investigators were examining whether former US intelligence agents may have been involved in possible collaboration with Iraqi exiles determined to prove that Saddam Hussein had a nuclear programme."
It's not Clinton? Or Michael Moore (still fat, you know)?
And there are loads of rules about the optimization of resource use in economics. In fact, as I mentioned in another post above, the very definition of economics refers to the optimizing of the use of scarce resources.
Take the First Welfare Theory. Pareto optimality and all that shit.
A source familiar with the inquiry said investigators were examining whether former US intelligence agents may have been involved in possible collaboration with Iraqi exiles determined to prove that Saddam Hussein had a nuclear programme."
Former intelligence agents? Tenet was still employed in 2002.
what's this about you mowing your own lawn? Don't you have slaves, I mean children for that?
Well, the 5-Year-Old dangles from the handle awkwardly, and the 11-Month-Old is rather useless as far as chores go. Slacker.
Besides, when the mower's going, you can't hear the phone....
uh-oh:
Unknown Illness Kills Nine Chinese Farmers
Deaths Could Be Linked to Outbreaks of Bird Flu in Nine Asian Countries
By Philip P. Pan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, July 24, 2005; Page A18
BEIJING, July 23 -- An unidentified disease has killed nine farmers and sickened 11 others in a rural part of China's western Sichuan province, prompting the government to dispatch an emergency team of researchers to investigate whether the deaths are related to bird flu, a Health Ministry spokesman said Saturday.
State media said the illnesses occurred between June 24 and July 21 in about 15 villages surrounding the city of Ziyang, 945 miles southwest of Beijing. All of the farmers had recently slaughtered sick pigs or sheep, and researchers from the health and agriculture ministries are investigating a possible link, the official New China News Agency said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...5072300936.html
Testing loohing for new gravatar
Shucks. And I was hoping we could have a nice little chinwag about Hayek's views on utilitarianism, as well as the views of the many other conservative thinkers who ostensibly rate freedom over pleasure.
Hee hee.
He wasn't too clear on the disciplinary differences between philosophy and economics, either...
I'm sure he's be interested in Salma Hayek's views, though!
I'm stuck at a party, where I know nearly no one, and want to kill myself. What should I do?
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An unidentified disease has killed nine farmers and sickened 11 others in a rural part of China's western Sichuan province
Let the cleansing begin.
and the 11-Month-Old is rather useless as far as chores go. Slacker.
Raising another liberal elitist afraid to get her hands dirty, I see.
I'm sure he's be interested in Salma Hayek's views, though!
I wouldn't mind letting her put *me* to use, either.
Ripley, you fuck...
Eli, the Rule Of 2 doesn't work very well for nice people. Mostly I'm kind of an obnoxious asshole until you get to know me. And nothing changes. If you are still hangin' in there, you're a 2%er. I'm easy. And you're fuckin' funny.
I only can do what I do because I have kept myself relatively free of material encumberances, in that even though I'm pretty comfortable, I can do without it in a snap
Same here, ron. I can fit anything of value into my car, which I haven't driven in over 3 months, if I need to move.
I'll never forget DeNiro's character in 'Heat'. "Never commit yourself to anything you can't walk away from in 30 seconds flat."
Sure, there are things I'd miss. But I'm not drowning in things I don't even remember that I own.
I had a dream about Karl Rove. He was dancing the role of the dying swan in a little pink tutu, like the hippos in Walt Disney's whatchamacallit, and he fell into a deep hole. My Labrador retriever Hank ran to pull him up, and I was yelling "Nooooo" to my dog and woke up still yelling.
And there are loads of rules about the optimization of resource use in economics.
Yeah, but Kent put "economic" in quotes, so maybe's he's talking about something else entirely.
He certainly seems to advocate central planning and the redistribution of wealth, though. Which is kind of odd for a wingnut troll. Eschaton is truly a Crossroads of the World.
Meanwhile, a parallel investigation is under way into who forged the Niger documents.
A parallel investigation? By who? Fitzgerald? FBI?
This is the first I've heard of an actual investigation into the Niger documents. Hope it's true.
Eli, the Rule Of 2 doesn't work very well for nice people. Mostly I'm kind of an obnoxious asshole until you get to know me. And nothing changes. If you are still hangin' in there, you're a 2%er. I'm easy. And you're fuckin' funny.
Actually, I'm not all that bad at it. I'm not obnoxious, but I'm pretty aloof and don't bond real closely with people as a general rule. It's not a planned strategy or anything, it's just the way I am.
I had a dream about Karl Rove. He was dancing the role of the dying swan in a little pink tutu,
Ish.
The dying part I like. But the thought of Karl in a tutu?
Excuse me while I go buy some more bleach. My brain needs cleaning.
Unknown Illness Kills Nine Chinese Farmers
Deaths Could Be Linked to Outbreaks of Bird Flu in Nine Asian Countries
Recombinomics has some apocryphal but terrifying posts on the Chinese response to H5N1. Nightmare-inducing, so approach with care!
The parallel investigation is using the same room Conyers was in. They have another three weeks before the repigs need it to store some coins from Ohio.
The memory in my computer has unstable dyes?
oh sure i knew someone would confront that flaw in my argument.
i'm an artist dude, i regard photographs as objects of art (well, not all photographs). pixels floating around on your hard drive don't count. especially when you take into account backwards incompatibility. but yeah, adaptations will occur. i already admitted that.
nonetheless, 10 years down the pike i bet you lose some images.
Lion Kitty's hungry, RUN!
Holy shit. Would you believe the little fucker just ate ANOTHER can of fancy feast?
Fortunately the cats let me off easy tonight though one seems to hovering in that "I have a furball" mode. Personally, I think she is bluffing just to take out a little mental wear and tear on me. But she has live fired on me before. Tonight, i will not sleep easy.
I'm stuck at a party, where I know nearly no one, and want to kill myself. What should I do?
Insult them for not working proper jobs, tell them they could make 150K mowing lawns, and sneer at their knowledge of Utilitarianism.
You will be instantly popular and probably get laid.
ronpickinandgrinnin
I actually laughed out loud. Loudly.
he he fuckin heh!!!
Nightmare-inducing, so approach with care!
Holy crap.
Holy shit. Would you believe the little fucker just ate ANOTHER can of fancy feast?
four legs good
Could this be an Attack of the 50 Foot Cat?
We really need to get SciFi interested in this movie
Eli, Alright, so you're good at being an asshole. It's not like I'm claiming it for myself. Have you seen who the President is?
Phila--I don't visit Recom all that often, but it's a very, very cool site.
TheOtherWashington -- Maybe the parallel investigation is taking place somewhere other than in the US.
the thought of Karl in a tutu?
Don't sneer. Here's a picture of that caught in the act with one "Jeff Gannon" fellow.
Could this be an Attack of the 50 Foot Cat?
God I hope not.
Unless he decides to eat fundies.
That activity I could support.
4Legs--beats worrying if he's going to starve to death
Yeah, but Kent put "economic" in quotes, so maybe's he's talking about something else entirely.
Maybe what he meant was "eco-gnome-ics".
Hooked on Phonics is great for reading. But rarely is the question asked, "Is our children writey?"
Would you believe the little fucker just ate ANOTHER can of fancy feast?
You might wanna rethink that sentence.
4Legs--beats worrying if he's going to starve to death
True.
Unless he decides to eat fundies.
Thats what Bird Flu is for.
Eli and Ron--alas, I don't make a very good asshole. I don't even try. I have all the sharp edges of a marshmallow.
Eli, Alright, so you're good at being an asshole. It's not like I'm claiming it for myself. Have you seen who the President is?
I'm generally pretty civil and polite, and I try not to be an asshole, tempting as it often is. And people like the preznit are the reason - I have a lot more negative role models than positive ones (i.e., "I sure as hell don't want to be like *that* guy").
flg, what? Fancy feast? Those monsters like alpo. Or are you on a special diet over there?
Ripley, I'll tell you, there's nothing like the truth. Peace? Freedom? Equality? Just give us the Truth.
I have three 16lbs+ cats in my house and one little petite 9 pounder...the biggest issue is the litterbox
Never thought of sending them on a fundie hunt
Thats what Bird Flu is for.
Unfortunately bird flu will probably eat all of us.
Truth for Authority, not authority for Truth.
Don't sneer. Here's a picture of that caught in the act with one "Jeff Gannon" fellow.
Thersites
Karl really is a bottom, ain't he?
Never thought of sending them on a fundie hunt
It's an engaging idea, eh?
Maybe the parallel investigation is taking place somewhere other than in the US.
cs
That could be a good thing. Maybe.
Unfortunately bird flu will probably eat all of us.
Not likely to get ALL of us.
Anyone want a root beer float?
Well, Sallyh, you're just hopeless. If you won't put the time and practice in, I certainly can't help you. That, in fact, is why I'm an asshole!
4Legs--si!
That, in fact, is why I'm an asshole!
(ronjazzhole?)
That, in fact, is why I'm an asshole!
Well.
No rootbeer float for you then.
Phila--I don't visit Recom all that often, but it's a very, very cool site.
Sallyh
Agreed. I wish it weren't, because Niman has been consistently alarmist about H5N1. But unfortunately, events seem to be following his predictions for the most part. Effect Measure, which is my main source for info (and is also the reason I gave up blogging on H5N1) has been more cautious about predictions, but they're sounding pretty apocalyptic too, these days...
4lg - sounds yummy but I snuck a second slice of blueberry pie when sallyh wasn't looking.
thanks anyway.
I am starting to get a treatment for this movie.
Giant cat (who eats only Fancy Feast, subject to product endorsement), searches out rightwing whackjobs, and uses them as string balls to be batted around, and then consumed when the mood strikes.
The only way Rightwing America can save itself from this feline menace is to embrace Marxist theory, and repudiate Supply-Side Economic theory.
Maybe a shot of Giant Kitty ripping off the capitol dome, and picking up Cat Killer Frist for a "special moment".
I'm watching some show on cable called "Slow Dancing." It's a Japanese series and, though the title was in English, everything else is in Japanese -- without subtitles. I don't speak Japanese, but I find the whole thing fascinating. Young Japanese yuppies at work and in love. Maybe I'll start studying Japanese. I've always wanted to learn it.
I'm not scrolling through 439 posts to see if someone posted this yet, but you gotta see this picture of Karl from the latest Isikoff article in Newsweek.
Precious indeed. Perp walk soon.
Effect Measure, which is my main source for info (and is also the reason I gave up blogging on H5N1) has been more cautious about predictions, but they're sounding pretty apocalyptic too, these days...
Mother earth is about to try to clean off some of the parasites.
I had a dream about Karl Rove. He was dancing the role of the dying swan in a little pink tutu,
4lg,
I'm in for a root beer float.
David:
You could add in a secondary storyline on the toxic effects of large quantities of excreted wingnut.
but you gotta see this picture of Karl from the latest Isikoff article in Newsweek.
Ack!
My eyes, my eyes!!!
You talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me!?
The only way Rightwing America can save itself from this feline menace is to embrace Marxist theory, and repudiate Supply-Side Economic theory.
no more voodoo economics?
anyone, anyone?
And to that point of the Truth...
Leaving the Occupation of Iraq aside, how much time and money have the government and the country wasted now, as we fight for the Truth and try to gain some facts from this group of arrogant fucks in D.C.?
What legislation to help the good people of America lies wasting on the desk because our legislators and representatives now must play nanny and detective?
And they gave themselves a raise.
Shame on you, CongressCritters. You should hide your heads in shame for even entertaining the idea of a raise.
I'm in for a root beer float.
Okay.
I have to make sure lion kitty hasn't eaten all the ice cream.
You talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me!?
ronjasshole
Heh heh heh...
Speaking of my own sad little blog, I was just called a "homo" for using the word "perspicacious."
A cruel blow indeed.
Thersites: Insult them for not working proper jobs, tell them they could make 150K mowing lawns, and sneer at their knowledge of Utilitarianism.
You will be instantly popular and probably get laid.
Oh, yeah -- that seems to work so well for winger trools...!
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Death Toll Rises to at Least 90 in Bombings at Egyptian Resort
By GREG MYRE and MONA EL-NAGGAR
The dead and injured included significant numbers of European tourists and Egyptians, with at least 240 wounded.
These Arab Muslim terrorists are a bunch of filthy animals.
but they're sounding pretty apocalyptic too, these days...
For years and years we have been hearing about killer viruses taking out some proportion of the population, and it seems as if the government has just been looking the other way, while we in the gen pop have been worrying. It seems as if the population was right in worrying, while the government is proved yet again, how incompetant it really is. THey are way behind the eight ball in this instance and they may never catch up. Even if they started in earnest right now (ya, right,THIS administration?) we will lose many people to this disease.
Speaking of my own sad little blog, I was just called a "homo" for using the word "perspicacious."
Oh dear.
How cruel.
TheOtherWashington -- The only investigation I've read about that could be related is the one in Italy tracking down alleged CIA folk said to have an Egyptian Iman in Milan just before the war. This from Wayne Madsen's site seems to be given some credence by the mention in the Guardian:
The Italian and German prosecutors may be whittling away at one end of an international criminal conspiracy of leading neo-con advisers to the Bush administration, a covert Pentagon special operations team controlled by the NSC officials Stephen Hadley and Iran-contra felon Elliot Abrams, and semi-official Italian covert team with neo-Fascist and Italian intelligence links called DSSA. The forged Niger documents originated in Italy and may have been placed there by the US covert team acting with their Italian counterparts. US intelligence sources are pointing to Iran-contra player and current NSC adviser Michael Ledeen as one likely suspect in the unfolding conspiracy to deceive Congress and the American people into believing Iraq tried to purchase uranium from Niger. CIA veteran Ray McGovern has written, "Beyond his geopolitical punditry, Ledeen's curriculum vitae shows he is no stranger to rogue operations. A longtime Washington operative, he was fired as a "consultant" for the National Security Council under President Ronald Reagan for running fool's errands for Oliver North during the Iran-Contra subterfuge. One of Ledeen's Iran-Contra partners in crime, so to speak, was Elliot Abrams, who was convicted of lying to Congress about Iran-Contra. Abrams was pardoned before jail time, however, by George H. W. Bush, and he is now George W. Bush's deputy national security adviser. Ledeen is said to enjoy easy entree to the offices of the vice president and the Pentagon, as well as to his friend Abrams."
Speaking of my own sad little blog, I was just called a "homo" for using the word "perspicacious."
didn't you know, having pictures of Hypselodoris iacula on your blog is as obvious as putting rainbow stickers on your car.
How cruel.
four legs good
Yeah. I don't know how I'll hold my head up at the glory hole tonight.
Speaking of my own sad little blog, I was just called a "homo" for using the word "perspicacious."
Homo ...
... sapien?
Probably someone who uses "Adios-Mofo"
didn't you know, having pictures of Hypselodoris iacula on your blog is as obvious as putting rainbow stickers on your car.
"Nudibranch? More like 'faggibranch' if you ask me!"
/wingnut
eah. I don't know how I'll hold my head up at the glory hole tonight.
Wouldn't that defeat the purpose anyway?
THey are way behind the eight ball in this instance and they may never catch up. Even if they started in earnest right now (ya, right,THIS administration?) we will lose many people to this disease.
It's really true. I do believe BushCo has a plan, but I suspect it's a stupid, brutal, and self-serving one. We're going to be on our own, I'm afraid.
Wah your hands often, and teach your kids to do the same.
Acupuncture will treat a sinus infection in 20 minutes with 2 to 4 needles, no antibiotics, nothing else required.
By the way, good news out of Iraq today. Khalid Jarrar, the brother of famous blogger Raed, Salaam Pax' blogging partner, is free!!!!!!
eli,
you channel wingnut way too well
Effect Measure's a great pub. Rely on it a lot.
you channel wingnut way too well
Well, how much brainpower does it really require to run a wingnut emulator?
I do believe BushCo has a plan, but I suspect it's a stupid, brutal, and self-serving one.
They're not telling us if they have one or not, it's a matter of "National Security".
I am starting to get a treatment for this movie.
==
Maxx Attaxx!
Hey ronbop - lay offa Eli. Yo?
Hey ronbop - lay offa Eli. Yo?
I didn't even notice he was on me. If anything, I think I've been tweaking him more than vice versa...
Phila, any thoughts on antibacterials soaps?
I have an idea for a sitcom called "Perspicacious in Fagville." It's about a smart-alec nudibranch who gets a job as an itenerant fortuneteller in Colorado Springs.
Willy Ames stars.
It is madness to pretend that no profile exists of possible Islamist bomb plotters. It is reckless to prevent law-enforcement authorities from taking obvious national-security profiling factors (racial, ethnic, religious, nationality, behavioral or otherwise) into account. And it is deadly to refuse to enforce immigration laws in a manner that results in, yes, profiling.
"Look for things that are unusual," Commissioner Kelly implored. "Look at things through the prism of 9/11." Uh-huh. But don't dare note the obvious:
* The 7/7 London terrorist bombers were young Muslim men — all but one of them of Pakistani origin.
* All of the 1993 landmark-bombing conspirators were Muslim men from the Middle East or Sudan.
* All of the '93 World Trade Center terrorist bomb plotters were young Middle Eastern Muslim men — five of them, illegal aliens.
* The '97 New York subway-bomb plotters were also young, Middle Eastern Muslim illegals.
The terror-plotters' ability to take shelter in the city's non-profiling, non-immigration-enforcement sanctuary bears repeating: One of the '97 plotters, Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer, a Palestinian bomb-builder, entered the U.S. illegally through Canada in 1996 and '97. He claimed political asylum based on alleged persecution by Israelis, was released on a reduced $5,000 bond (posted by a man who was himself an illegal alien) then skipped his asylum hearing after calling his attorney and lying about his whereabouts.
In June 1997, after his lawyer withdrew Mezer's asylum claim, a federal immigration judge ordered Mezer to leave the country on a "voluntary departure order." Mezer ignored the useless piece of paper and disappeared into New York City's illegal-alien safe haven. He joined the N.Y.C. bombing plot before being arrested in July 1997 after a roommate tipped off police. His co-conspirator was another untouched illegal alien, Palestinian Lafi Khalil.
More:
* All three of the Millenium bomb plotters were young Muslim male illegal aliens from Algeria.
* Four of the U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa were Middle Eastern Muslim men.
* Look, too, at the Islamist subway bomb plotters arrested last summer in a conspiracy to attack the Herald Square subway, three police stations on Staten Island, a prison, and the Verrazano Bridge. One of the men in the August 2004 plot, Shahawar Matin Siraj, was a 22-year-old illegal alien from Pakistan based in Jackson Heights. The other, James Elshafay, was a young, Jew-hating American man of Egyptian descent.
The usual civil-liberties absolutists are already complaining about the city's non-crackdown crackdown and warning of unconstitutional racial discrimination. Minority set-asides for public construction projects to ensure "diversity" in Brooklyn? No problem. Common-sense profiling to stop Islamist terrorists? Call in Amnesty International.
Phila--with all the recombination work being defunded, I am very concerned about our ability to defend ourselves against this virus and others, and their mutations thereof. My work was largely with bacteria, not viruses, but superinfections are increasing, both in frequency and effect.
Ya never laid a glove on me. You kids.
Well Eli. I'm not gonna be any help in interpreting Volcano for you.
Its a mystery to me.
Sorry.
Michele -- Oh, that is great news. Where did you read it?
We're stuck with this neverending thread, too, eh?
*sigh*
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The bird flu makes you turn purple, even your eyeballs and you choke to death from your own bloody phlemn.
Hey ronbop - lay offa Eli. Yo?
Innit funny how we ( an older generation) have taken on the language of the youngsters? It used to be, that my parents looked funny at me when I used street slang in their presence.
Just an obversation I've made, being the bright bulb I am.
didn't you know, having pictures of Hypselodoris iacula on your blog is as obvious as putting rainbow stickers on your car.
Kind of like a hanky code, huh? Good to know.
What I'm surprised by is that I'm a homo for using "perspicacious," but not - apparently - for using "blandiloquent," "suasion," "recondite," or "opacity."
I could see a butch guy like William F. Buckley using "perspicacious." But the rest of those words are decidedly queer.
but superinfections are increasing, both in frequency and effect.
Sallyh
Fucking antibacterial dish detergent. Chlorox the whole frigging house. Penicillin for virus infections.
We're gonna reap what we sowed on the bacterial front.
How will we tell the gay and lesbian nudibranches apart?
ronjazz--regular soap and water will work fine, and may in fact increase your chances of fighting off infection. One of the problems with so many antibacterial cleansers is that it may contribute to the creation of superbugs.
Bugs only exist to reproduce. They're smarter than us, and they're always one step ahead. Survival and adaptation are what they do best.
Well Eli. I'm not gonna be any help in interpreting Volcano for you.
Its a mystery to me.
Sorry.
Oh well. But in a hilarious, overwrought, low-rent kind of way.
Well, the British police are all over that approach, Duncan Hackhole.
Phila, any thoughts on antibacterials soaps?
ronjasshole
Ask Sally! My understanding is that regular soap and hot water are sufficient. And that we overuse antibacterial products. In terms of H5N1, it's a moot point since it's a virus.
Innit funny how we ( an older generation) have taken on the language of the youngsters?
Word.
Oh, and I forgot to mention the antibiotics in the food supply.
Phila, are we allowed to have a blog without regular readers or commentors?
Please say 'yes" because I'm paying for mine and, frankly, I'm not sure that Mother will make it through the summer without my blog.
Yes, her only hope is that I continue to bloviate* hysterically** to the winds. I wish, oh how I wish god damn it!, that I had regular readers. But this is no time for tears for Mother's poor health. This is a time to stand tall, (like George W Bush) look anonymity in the eye and say, "Kiss my American ass, you non-readers, you people who do not read, you readers of other peoples' blogs!".
Now, watch this post....
* 'bloviate' is an elitist term that wingnuts have co-opted to describe any comment by liberals that exceeds four words
** wingnuts generally consider any disagreement by liberals to be 'hysteria'. It's not you, it's just that it's not about them.
Ask Sally!
Boy, I sure called that one!
Phila--scroll up. Answered just that
Actually, that's what happened with Spanigh flu and I'm guessing this is similar.
Phila - all I can say is I hope you'll be able to cope with this. We're here for you, man.
smalfish - you can totally get away with outrageous usage/misusage, as long as you're enjoying the joke too. It's only when you take it too seriously that it turns deadly. Like so many things.
Time for some midnight Cap'n Crunch. Anyone want a bowl while I'm up?
Phila--handwashing is one of the most effective tools that can be employed against influenza, just as it can be against certain bacterial infections.
That being said, I'm not seeing enough research being done into vaccines for the strains of influenza that are developing. Apparently vaccines are not a sufficiently profitable arm of the pharma industry. Pisses the stockholders off when they could be making all those dividends from the sale of Viagra.
Many will die in their own homes unfound for months.
Phila, are we allowed to have a blog without regular readers or commentors?
Apparently not. But what this troll - who visits every month or two - doesn't realize is that I don't want to increase my readership. It's too stressful, too intimidating, too much responsibility, and I don't have time for it.
Excellent reasoning, Sallyh. I have felt for quite a while that humans have become too "yuckified", too antiseptic, too anal. Of course, I am in Connecticut. But I do think that bugs are smarter than we, but that's only because I am witness to our inability to evolve morally. It's self-defeating to give beings the brains to develop deadly WMD, and yet not the morality to avoid using them. We are a virus on the earth ourselves. Maybe Gaia is developing antibodies...
Well, since Kent never came back to take me up on my offer of $20 to mow my lawn tomorrow, that means I am left to do it myself.
As such, I should probably get some sleep, and since it is going to be 95+F tomorrow, I will have to get started early to avoid the heat of the day.
With that, I bid you moonbats a buenas noches.
The human body is 70% water.
Screw that. I'm off for beer.
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enough said?
Actually, that's what happened with Spanigh flu and I'm guessing this is similar.
Incog
That's very "perspicacious" of you, Incog.
Phila--what I'm seeing on H5N1 is not simply its ability to affect large populations, but the intensity of effect that will be so frightening for many.
BTW, antiviral Kleenex? A joke. Buy the regular stuff.
"Willy Ames stars."
Hey, Thersites, he's on "Celebrity Fit Club" on VH1, losing mad weight, so maybe he'll look good in the pilot.
It's really depressing.
Mark--needs to be repeated, loudly and often.
Maybe now we have the tools at hand to do to Bush what he's done to us for the past five years.
Over & Out.
Hey, Thersites, he's on "Celebrity Fit Club" on VH1, losing mad weight, so maybe he'll look good in the pilot.
Need I remind you of Rule 1 of Celebrity Fit Club?
Apparently vaccines are not a sufficiently profitable arm of the pharma industry.
I heard the other night that one of the problems with bird flu is that normally vaccines are grown on chicken (or in) eggs. Bird flu is 100% fatal to chickens, so they're having a lot of trouble growing the vaccine.
It's too stressful, too intimidating, too much responsibility, and I don't have time for it.
Heh. You used the word "too" and spelled it correctly.
Gay, gay, gay.
Hey, Thersites, he's on "Celebrity Fit Club" on VH1, losing mad weight, so maybe he'll look good in the pilot.
Willy Ames is considered a "celebrity"?
Whoa.
Phila--what I'm seeing on H5N1 is not simply its ability to affect large populations, but the intensity of effect that will be so frightening for many.
That turning purple thing will really scare the fundies.
They'll think they've turned gay and die of fright.
Perhaps that's how we'll get rid of fundies.
smalfish - you can totally get away with outrageous usage/misusage, as long as you're enjoying the joke too. It's only when you take it too seriously that it turns deadly. Like so many things
I'm sorry, I forgot what this in refrence to.
Apparently vaccines are not a sufficiently profitable arm of the pharma industry.
That's precisely it. Vaccines are the perfect example of something you can't leave up to the free market. The more people are vaccinated, the safer I am whether I get vaccinated or not. It's in my best interests to make sure everyone has access to vaccine.
I don't know if you're familiar with the adenovirus situation...I wrote something about it here and here.
They'll think they've turned gay and die of fright.
four legs good
Darwin in action. And they don't even believe in his theories.
4Legs--it's a huge problem. But no worries! Medical research evil! Faith healing good!
Rove Virus
'Night all. I must wake up early and make 150K mowing my lawn.
Medical research evil! Faith healing good!
How depressing.
Those assholes will be the first ones in line if an outbreak occurs.
Apparently vaccines are not a sufficiently profitable arm of the pharma industry.
I read at EM that the company that makes the Ionic air cleaners had made one that made one to filter out H5N1.But I failed to keep up with the story, did that turn out to be false, or not?
'Night all. I must wake up early and make 150K mowing my lawn.
No wonder I'm poor.
I don't have a lawn.
Bird flu is 100% fatal to chickens, so they're having a lot of trouble growing the vaccine.
Yeah, that's true. It'll be months into an epidemic before we have a reasonable amount of vaccine. Socialist hellholes like Canada and the UK, of course, have lots more than we do, and are working harder to produce more.
The vaccine issue is serious. The antiviral shortage is also serious. But the most serious issue, IMO, is our shortage of ventilators and beds.
I don't know if you're familiar with the adenovirus situation...I wrote something about it here and here.
I only go to your blog to see the nudibrachi.
The first rule of Celebrity Fit Club is ... oh, shit.
Willie Ames is joined by that other celebrity, the Snapple Lady, as well as Academy Award nominated actor Gary Busey in the role of batshit crazy guy.
Allright, all you perspicacious homos. I'm even falling behind at this pace, and I really don't want to dream of purple-turning pandemics. I'll dream of pancakes instead, and *see* you all tomorrow. G'night.
Gay, gay, gay.
Thersites
My mating call!
Those assholes will be the first ones in line if an outbreak occurs.
Yep. It's too bad we can't make people responsible for the policies they support or oppose.
In favor of the war? Fine, you and/pr your kids are first in line to go over there.
Opposed to stem-cell research? Fine, you forfeit the right to any cures derived from it.
i linked to an article thru recombinics, and this paragraph really got my attention. it's so true and can be applied to a couple of huge stories here that have pretty much gone quiet.
"You may think this is overblown. But discussion of the possibility of a flu pandemic has fallen out of the news. And as the security consultant Bruce Schneier says: "One of the things I routinely tell people is that if it's in the news, don't worry about it. By definition, 'news' means that it hardly ever happens. If a risk is in the news, then it's probably not worth worrying about. When something is no longer reported - automobile deaths, domestic violence - when it's so common that it's not news, then you should start worrying."
Bird flu: we're all going to die
By Charles Arthur
Published Thursday 2nd June 2005
http://www.theregister.co.uk/200...06/02/bird_flu/
Smalfish--has to be fake.
I only go to your blog to see the nudibrachi.
four legs good
Smart lad. The rest of it is fagged-out pedantry from which you could easily catch AIDS.
I was reading up on the latest about it. It seems that it's become endemic in parts of Asia now. And it's crossing into more and more species. In other words, it's get worse all the time.
Smart lad. The rest of it is fagged-out pedantry from which you could easily catch AIDS.
A-ha! You're a pedantrast! You admit it!
A pox on the wingnuts who would deprive young women of a vaccine for HPV.
A pox on the wingnuts who would deprive young women of a vaccine for HPV.
gods will and all that, ya know...
i'm awake
A pox on the wingnuts
A pox on them period.
Opposed to stem-cell research? Fine, you forfeit the right to any cures derived from it.
That's eerily similar to their call to salvation. Think they'd notice the parallel?
oh shit, walter's here...hide the viruses
My eyelids are feeling the effects of gravity. And I must be up early on the morrow.
Night all.
Phila, if it's any consolation, I don't deny the reality of that which cannot be calculated. Any good math head knows that.
i'm awake
Are you?
Are any of us?
i'm awake
WalterNeff
And may we inquire as to the state of Lady Neff?
All the news anymore is bad.
This business from Kent and David Patterson makes me think of my family. That is, my blood family (democratic and very blue collar) and my stepfather's family (republican and moneyed).
For brevity's sake, I will describe the latter group only unless you ask for more. Let's call them the O'Connors.
All the O'Connors recieve 20K a year as a Christmas gift from the grandparents (my brother and I don't have the bloodline, so nada for us).
The parents live off the interest of the trust fund, the principal of which will go to the grandparents to avoid taxes. (I may be getting this wrong, tax evasion not being a strong point, and I get nothing so I don't pay attention.)
One O'Connor of my age spent a decade getting an AA degree. I kid you not. He did not work during that period. A clean-cut, all-American country club boy who had done nothing by age 30.
Another was unemployed from 30-40. His dad got him a stock brokerage job, but he sucked at it. Lived with dad from 30-33, doing a bunch of coke all the while. Another good republican boy. Incredible difficulties with college, despite not having to work during it. (I worked through college with honors.)
My stepfather's sister never worked a day. A drunken pillhead socialite. Also staunchly republican. Quite an embarrasment to his brother.
I should point out my stepfather was a good broker, successful, all of which is overshadowed by the huge umbrella of privelege and money he's lived under.
But note: his service in foreign wars was very notable, harrowing. Note also: he never talks about it, ever. Not a braggart that one. He is a good republican who thinks and reads and pulls his own weight despite being an heir. Truly a good man.
He is the only one who seems to have grasped how O'Connor Sr. built a fortune; the fact that he couldn't replicate the feat is not surprising. He just wants to be a normal conservative guy, not a maniac CEO.
well, bush was right. "it's the little things that kill"
nite, you perspicacious, homo lov'n, sodomites.
Bird flu, heart attack, walking in front of a bus...something's gonna get you before it's all said and done. None of us gets out of this life alive.
Which isn't to say that we shouldn't be trying to develop more vaccine, but simply to say I choose not to worry about things over which I have no control.
Edit paragraph 4:
the principal of which will go to the grandCHILDREN
WalterNeff--blueberry pie a la mode? It's fresh.
Bird flu, heart attack, walking in front of a bus
Isn't that a Billy Joel song?
Isn't that a Billy Joel song?
off of the 52nd street album, right?
track after big shot
Phila, if it's any consolation, I don't deny the reality of that which cannot be calculated. Any good math head knows that.
Sallyh
Well, I didn't exactly have you in mind! But there is an odd tendency towards that point of view out there...especially in forms of science that have certain political/economic implications (e.g., environmental stuff).
Don't forget to stop by in the late a.m.-early p.m. for the All You Can Eat Criminal Charges Buffet. Fresh fruits, baked goods, and lots of bloodys and mimosas.
Night bats of moon!
g'night sallyh
if its time for left coasters to go to bed, then its way past time for those in EDT
I, too, will battle through my fears of tiny hollow jewish thetans and try to sleep.
Good night.
Which isn't to say that we shouldn't be trying to develop more vaccine, but simply to say I choose not to worry about things over which I have no control.
Jennifer
A good policy, generally. But I have a slightly different take on this. If we have an H5N1 pandemic with a high fatality rate, a lot of the problems are going to be due to our bad government, for which I think we all share a certain amount of responsibility. And whatever happens to us, it'll be a zillion times worse in poor countries. This isn't just an "Act of God"; how serious a pandemic is is also the result of official decisions, and we have a responsibility to make sure our government makes good ones.
Unemployed from age 30-40? What if he was reading philosophy during that time and not doing drugs? Would that make it ok?
I'm turning in, too. Good night!
Well, I didn't exactly have you in mind! But there is an odd tendency towards that point of view out there...especially in forms of science that have certain political/economic implications (e.g., environmental stuff).
Phila
Just as the human psyche is wired towards overvaluing fear due to uncertainty from a lack of data. {as shown by behavioural economics, which also shows the human psyche overvaluing the bird in the hand over the two birds in the bush}
"Unemployed from age 30-40? What if he was reading philosophy during that time and not doing drugs? Would that make it ok?"
No, he was golfing and doing coke with his stripper girlfriend. And kissing ass.
It would have made more sense if he had done it openly (well not the dope), on his own dime.
I was the one reading philosophy and doing drugs (cheaper ones). And working a laundry list of jobs. I am no hero, but I did perform.
Tom, how are things shaping up this afternoon in your world?
Tom, how are things shaping up this afternoon in your world?
Ripley
Sunny, humid, and hot.
Looking for information on nipah virus.
Hot and humid here. We're more familiar with the West Nile virus.
Which is odd, because Chicago is quite some distance from the Nile.
Damned mosquitoes, anyway!
Chicago is West of the Nile. That's enough for the mosquitoes.
Nipah virus was one virus suggested as the cause of the incidents in Sichuan. Though it does use pigs as the transmission vector, I'm skeptical due to the differences in symptoms.
This leaves me more disturbed
underreporting on this mysterious potentially hemorrhagic disease.
And in H5N1 news, the Indonesian gov't has decided to slaughter the pigs living near the family of the 3 who died of H5N1. No signs of mutation of the virus, but the pigs were infected.
So, Tom.... are the fears of China standing up to the US overblown?
I'm curious that these (some) diseases seem to originate in Asia. Is there something going on there or is it coincidence?
Is China a true threat or are we being fed a line? I confess, I don't follow Asian news.
I'm Mike Jones.
Too little thread weakens the sheet.
Its Taiwan that has to worry. PRC could overrun it in about a week. They have AEGIS technology now, too! Look for a Sino/Russo energy deal to set the whole thing in motion, if it hasn't started already.
I'm Mike Jones.
Which is interesting, because I am not Mike Jones.
Hmm.. quite....
I'm proud of Mike Jones, being able at last to admit that he is, in fact, Mike Jones.
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nighty!
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Of course that might just be US military wishful thinking. The reason we haven't seen real sacrifice here in the States is we're saving ourselves for the "Great Dragon". We might be suckering China into a multi-theatre war, or they might be suckering us into one. Seems like they're doing a better job imho.
I'm curious that these (some) diseases seem to originate in Asia. Is there something going on there or is it coincidence?
Is China a true threat or are we being fed a line? I confess, I don't follow Asian news.
Ripley
These diseases have generally started in places that are warm and there is close contact between animals and humans.
And honestly China militarily isn't as much of a threat as Rums-failed likes to claim. The Busheviks always need a bogeyman and Zarqawi and bin Forgotten don't seem to have the same scare appeal now.
Though ironically it's Rums-failed and Cheney and the agitprop enterprise institute masters that are pushing China, that will make it more dangerous.
The continued crap of the Busheviks pushing for US military presence in the Malaccas to control oil shipping lanes is causing more unease in Asia than most other things.
We might be suckering China into a multi-theatre war, or they might be suckering us into one. Seems like they're doing a better job imho.
Tachikoma
I don't think the Chinese want war {outside of a few nutjob Generals infected by that Cheney-itis combination of hubris and machismo covering-up a lack of actual courage and manhood}
The speed which the Chinese have been able to diplomatically secure resources due to the absence of diplomatic skills within the Busheviks means the Chinese have no reason to go to war. The Chinese can just sit tight and wait for the US to piss off countries and then move in to the diplomatic vacuums. {like the ideologue Karen Hughes and the incompetent *push and shove* Rice can do anything but fail}
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test
I agree, Tom. Its not in China's best interest to engage anyone in a shooting war. They have us on a short leash economically, a few tugs like the one we saw this week will focus the US to reality.
But rationality doesn't always rule. Its hard to predict what the leaders of China are up to at any point in time.
Interesting.
My concern is not so much from the political/ideology angle as it is the financial issue. The last time I checked numbers, a few months ago, we owed China and Japan $408B out of $960B, or some such, in federal debt. (Remember those halcyon surplus Clinton days?)
Couple that with China's alleged newfound love of cars and oil and I think we might have a showdown in a short matter of years.
What are you hearing there?
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I have a feeling (and that' all it is) that China has learned enough lessons from the US and the former USSR to see that large scale military conflicts are of no real use anymore. Even the use of client states for control of territory is outdated. With the current energy situation, simple dominance of currency is the true 'Super Weapon'. I guess this is a good thing.
But rationality doesn't always rule. Its hard to predict what the leaders of China are up to at any point in time.
Tachikoma
The Chinese government at this point is primarily technocrats, some of whom actually have their hearts in the right place with a verifiable concern about the general populace.
That you won't find among the Busheviks, who frankly are far more irrational and unpredictable. Especially when the poll numbers are falling and they keep coming up with new schemes and lies to fool their base and the general populace.
I figure the Busheviks as Technocrats, too, Tom. They just aren't very good at it. The blinders have been 'on' in the White House for quite some time now. The Chinese are obviously more adept at using what they have available. In less than ten years, they've managed to place the lone Superpower of the world in a three-count position. But who has the initiative?
I figure the Busheviks as Technocrats, too, Tom. They just aren't very good at it.
Then you figure wrong. Most of the Chinese leadership left Mao in the dustbin of ceremonial huzzahs 25 years ago.
There isn't a Furious George appointed soul in the Executive Branch that believes in discerning facts to lead politics.
Instead the Busheviks believe in stovepiping facts to fit the politics from Iraq to global warming to land management to toxic waste to veteran's affairs and so on.
Or as Mao Tse-tung put it, "Red over expert."
No, I have to disagree. Bush Corp is just an ancillary of Oil Corp and Arms Corp. These are serious players in the Global Domination game. To brush them off as ideologues is a mistake. The fake war in Iraq has WORKED! The US has multiple bases in SW Asia now and has tightened its control on all Central Asian reserves. Don't confuse postering with Strategy. As long as they keep the US populace in the dark, they can do as they please. The US still has an awesome military, but China seems to have the answer to that. I wasn't inferring that Chinese leadership still follows Mao, that would be stupid.
I don't know if this has been said, but in many ways we are sacrificing for the military, but not in a public grandstanding way. Why? Because Iraq was supposed to be a short, easy operation. The Bushiviks will not admit to being wrong about the neo-con fantasies.
The cost of basic building supplies, oil, gasoline, certain electronic control systems used in building climate management, and other commercial products is directly related to the Iraq War.
Are we entrenched in Central Asia? If so, it is a most tenuous entrenchment.
Why tenuous? Ask Gonzales nad the General recently relieved at Guantanemo. They can tell you why.
get the chimp and his neocon buddies, who wanted this war, to bankroll and stir up their bible thumping wingnuts to enlist and fight their war
so, per frank rich's reminder, gonzales is good enough for attorney general, but not the scotus? this is but one of many examples of the shameful conduct of senate democrats, and republicans for that matter, who when asked to kiss bush's ass for the last 6 years have ALL puckered up and asked how sloppy he'd like it. That the missing 12 hours, not to mention the months before Justice was shamed into investigating at all, could only now become relevant in evaluating the torture lawyer's fitness for such a critical national position in its own right, reveals just how far our once great nation has fallen during this terrible, amoral administration.
IIRC the top marginal tax rate during WWII was 90%. And they paid it gladly because soldiers were paying with their blood.
i'll tell you how americans have sacrificed; we've given up our ability to utilize language. words no longer have any meaning. this bunch running things have lied and twisted our language to the point that now everyone here is incoherent. i feel i have sacrificed all meaning from my life. if that isn't enough then it hasn't been worth it. anyone who isn't dissappointed at the loss of use of the faculties of reason and logic never valued these things to be begin with. on the contray. anarchy looms.
""Nobody in America is asked to sacrifice, except us," said one officer just back from a yearlong tour in Iraq"
And the sad thing is that Rush and Company don't give a fuck about any of those troops.
They're not people - they're a means to an end - the enrichment of Bush and his buddies.
It's all about the oil!
But people have to log on to americasupportsyou.mil when they could be downloading Paris Hilton pics -- is that not sacrifice enough? Bumper stickers on Ford Expeditions. What more do you libruls want?
P O'Neill
Oh, and let's not forget putting those offensive magnet ribbons on the car.