I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Morning moonbats!
G'mowning!
Private / Public? It's a fine point, to be sure!
What baffles me is that the story of Jeff Gannon's shennaigans in the WH died so quickly.
This had much more weight than the blue dress, yet disappeared down the black hole.
Two words for that Washington Post whore: Profumo affair.
Look it up, motherfucker.
This woman neglected to pick up shit. Gucky rolls in shit for a living. There's a big difference.
This had much more weight that the blue dress, yet disappeard down the black hole. Mer.
Which says to me, that he must have been doing someone very high up the food chain.
I wonder if Jimmy/Jeff enjoys bicycling?
I think that I concur with your point, Atrios, but "In the latest, a Korean woman who refused to clean up her dog's poop on the subway." needs to be punched up a bit.
It isn't a complete.
... sentence, that is. See what I mean?
But now I must Google "Korean dog poop girl", God help me.
Besides which, if he was advertising his services online for money, that's professional, not private. Is there a line between professional and public?
This had much more weight than the blue dress, yet disappeared down the black hole.
mer
I guess this shows that no one considers a journalist working for GOPUSA to be that far apart from journalists working for Faux Propaganda Network or Tweety on MSGOP.
But Jeff Gannon, white house correspondent, was a public figure, not a private one.
"And he has a good heart."
--- G.W. Bush
Are bloggers public, private or professional?
It occurs to me that Gannon was private, or rather, shared his privates.
It occurs to me that Gannon was private, or rather, shared his privates.
My theory is that G/G has been some kind of operative all along and that moving from an id as a prostitute to an id as WH correspondent put him in a visible position where he could serve as both an outrageous megaphone for WH propaganda and as blackmail warning to various folks who might oppose the administration.
I guess this shows that no one considers a journalist working for GOPUSA to be that far apart from journalists working for Faux Propaganda Network or Tweety on MSGOP.
Exactly. Who in the media other than Frank Rich, Molly Ivins and maybe a handful of other "journalists" has enough standing to criticize Gannon/Guckert. A media whore is a media whore is a.....
As if Tweety, Russert, Scheiffer, Cokie, et al are going to pile on and feign indignation over a fellow Bush whore?
most bloggers are private, though any bloggers could engage in an activity which would make them public. Bloggers who have a larger audience and put themselves "out there" more generally are to some degree public. That doesn't mean every detail of their life is "fair game" - any more than every detail of any other public figures lives are worthy of being on the front page of the new york times.
Yeah, cs, Americablog did a thing about how he was all over the Thune election in South Dakota, to discredit Daschle.
Here.
Public, not public... Precisely.
That doesn't mean every detail of their life is "fair game" - any more than every detail of any other public figures lives are worthy of being on the front page of the new york times.
Well, that nanny sure was asking for it...
Dog Poop Girl v. Cock-Headed Manwhore tonight on Celebrity Death Match!
Last time I checked, Atrios wasn't advertising sex.
But leaving that aside, when you are on the internet, pointing out that you're on the internet and what the content of those sites might be is merely making public something which is already public.
What does Jeff Gannon do in his spare time? I don't care in the least. I wasn't even all that worried about his real name. But if he's advertising services in an open forum, that crosses a line.
That distinction is also recognized in the law of defamation. It's harder to sue someone for libelling a public figure than a private one. First Amendment, political speech and all.
"People outside the Senate -- lot of common people, everyday people, might think, 'boy if you are a conservative and the other guy is a liberal you don't get along.'"
-- Larry King, Oct. 25, 2002
Preznitwit just went for his physical tothe Bethesda Naval Med Ctr. They can check him out physically..but can they fix what is wrong with his mind? 
Prostution was legalised in Germany 3 yrs ago I believe.
Gucky could go work in one of their "tolerance zones".
Germans green-light a red-light bonanza
Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002, to remove the industry from criminal hands and to improve working conditions. In most cities there is a legal red-light district, known as a "tolerance zone", but the trade is banned elsewhere.
Germany's largest brothel, which has 120 rooms, is in Cologne, where authorities collect €700,000 (£460,000) a month from the trade.
This has been JimmyJeffJeff's argument all along - that his private life was unethically "discovered" and "exposed." But JimmyJeffJeff exposed himself - the argument does not hold water.
But I know very well that somebody inside the WH ran around stamping out the fire as fast as possible and that's why the story died. There's someone inside the WH who wanted that story killed fast - whoever that is is the person had JimmyJeffJeff signed up for overnights.
In a way, what they did was genius (and I mean that etymologically, not in a complimentary fashion). Choose the absolutely most unqualified human being on the planet, use him as a blatant political operative, give him only the vaguest cover of legitimacy, and see what happens. By putting him in the press corps, they neutralize the press corps' willingness to discuss the issue, since it brings every one of them into question.
I also think that's why Gannon got a blog as soon as this thing broke. Same principle.
What baffles me is that the story of Jeff Gannon's shennaigans in the WH died so quickly.
This had much more weight than the blue dress, yet disappeared down the black hole.
mer
[snip]
"We can think back on how the journalistic process worked in the 1970s: the Watergate scandal exposing Richard Nixon’s scheme for rigging the political process, or the Pentagon Papers exposure of the lies that led the nation to war in Vietnam, or the revelation of CIA abuses that showed how the country was drifting toward a secret national security state.
Indeed, the disclosures of government wrongdoing in the 1970s represented a real and present danger to those leaders who favored the transition of the United States from a democratic republic into a world empire where the people’s consent is managed through the skillful use of images, fear and myths."
[snip]
more...
http://www.consortiumnews.com/20...005/
072905.html
Tena,
If Rove gets indicted, I sure hope they seize his hard drive. I want to see that man's email cache.
I think the Democrats may be catching on...
Why is this distinction even difficult to master? Why are any of these basic distinctions in how life is difficult any more?
Might it not have something to do with a society where it is 'normal' to be forced to listen to someone's entire life bellowed at the top of their lungs whilst you have made the audacious attempt to go to the post office and buy stamps? Where assaults on privacy come regularly - but not from the public sphere at all?
Pfui. It's the same nonsense that finds a troll on Eschacon believing they have a positive right to track down anonymous posters at their homes -- a belief that breaching the quite ordinary and acknowledged barriers between public and private life is an act of bravery and modernity expressive of personal value. Being unable to recognise the difference and being unable to act on the difference in society is as uncouth and anti-social as it's possible to imagine.
"Private" is the pretense that Gucky's gayness "doesn't matter" and "I couldn't care less" etc.
And it's true -- they couldn't care less about Gucky's gayness. They DO care about Hillary's lesbianism.
HILLARY'S A LESBIAN!!!!
is an article fo faith among Republicans.
Nothing is to distract us from this meme.
Anbd make no mistake, Gucky's gayness is in point of fact quite important.
Ask Sheperd Smith or Anderson Cooper.
Go ahead -- ask them.
Last time I checked, Atrios wasn't advertising sex.
What, these threads aren't a dating service? 
when you are on the internet, pointing out that you're on the internet and what the content of those sites might be is merely making public something which is already public.
Yeah, that's what made me laugh about dw/wd/bill macdonald the other day, whining about privacy violation when I posted the e-mail he sent me along with his addy. You can do a lot to protect your privacy, but when you out yourself while trying to bully somebody, you've just taken that first step into a more public world.
'course, I have a different attitude about public persona than a lot of people since I've been cultivating one since the mid-90s. Perhaps it's not politic sometimes, given what I write here and on my blog, but I want people to know stuff about me because I write books and articles (or used to) and want to get word out about that. The photography, as well.
I'm also in the nice position that my employer knows I blog and doesn't have a problem with it. I still try to be cautious when it comes to work stuff, but all that makes up who I am as well, informs some of my opinions, etc.
That's one big reason I'm so into the EschaCon idea: people are coming out a little bit more to the community. I think that adds even more weight to what people say because it's a rather courageous act to publicly claim who you are and what you say.
Or something.
Tena,
If Rove gets indicted, I sure hope they seize his hard drive. I want to see that man's email cache.
NYMary
I'd love to see anyone seize Rove's hard drive.
But, David, Shep claimed to have a girlfriend the other day. I can't believe you'd accuse a member of the media of being dishonest.
NYMary - You and me both, but I've given up holding my breath til it happens.
I really thought that the rule of law would prevail. But now that the Repugs are threatening to fire Fitzgerald because he actually did his job, my cynicism has hardened.
I don't think the question of interest is about G/G's sex life as an individual. I think it's about whether he was working as a protitute shill.
any more than every detail of any other public figures lives are worthy of being on the front page of the new york times.
But with Monica they put every public person's private life out there.
Hey don't look at me, Atrios. Ask Michael Musto. He's been following Shep's West Village pub-crawling for years. Shep lives on the same block as "Marie's Crisis" you know.
And on that list of people to ask about Gucky, don't forget Armstrong Williams and Grover Norquist.
As to Shep's girlfriend, I'm truly amazed at the stamina of Katie Holmes.
Dog Poop Girl, what a truly wonderful handle.
NTodd,
we, the posters, are not in the same relationship to the public as Atrios, it seems to me, except on our own blogs. There, we set the boundaries. You've set yours to err toward openness, others don't.
But when anyone can google a picture of your penis, saying "you've violated my privacy!" is sort of stupid.
If Rove gets indicted, I sure hope they seize his hard drive. I want to see that man's email cache.
You're a dirty dirty girl, and I like it.
All people who are in the public expect privacy on one hand and want a worshipping public on the other hand. They want their cake and eat it too.
But when anyone can google a picture of your penis, saying "you've violated my privacy!" is sort of stupid.
Excuse, while I wipe the coffee from my screen.
You're a dirty dirty girl, and I like it.
Hey, Thers wants to invite you up for a weekend. Are you gone this whole next week?
Surely a woman who won't clean up after her dog is far, far more newsworthy than an unqualified male prostitute masquerading as a journalist while sleeping over at the White House? I mean, am I right or am I right or am I right? Let's get a grip here, people.
Also, am I bad person for thinking that public shaming of out-and-out flaming assholes maybe isn't such a bad thing? I know there's a helluva slippery slope, but I find myself having a hard time mustering any sympathy at all for Dog Poop Girl.
During the whole of a dull, dark, and soundless day in the autumn of the year, when the clouds hung oppressively low in the heavens, I had been passing alone, on horseback, through a singularly dreary tract of country; and at length found myself, as the shades of the evening drew on, within view of the melancholy House of Bush. I know not how it was - but, with the first glimpse of the building, a sense of insufferable gloom pervaded my spirit.
Hey, Thers wants to invite you up for a weekend. Are you gone this whole next week?
Ooo, cool, I'd love to! I'll have to figure out how much vacation I have left. I'm back on Tuesday, and gone again a couple of weeks later.
But when anyone can google a picture of your penis, saying "you've violated my privacy!" is sort of stupid.
To me, it's a bit more than "sort of stupid." JimmyJeffJeff should have been laughed at everywhere he went making that claim. How many pictures of himself did he put online? I still can't believe he sat around in a suit on various TV shows and whined about how his privacy had been invaded. JesusChrist on creamed chipped beef - he had pictures posted of himself pissing and people actually let him get away with "poor me and my poor mother" bullshit.
(And was this invite idea before or after I said you were a dirty dirty girl? I need to know what kind of weekend to... prepare for)
Actually I've been thinking about this whole coming out bit quite a lot, and have even considered pooping out on EschaCon.
The media reacts "weirdly" to Jeff Gannon because a lot of them see themselves in him; i.e., many more of them than we know about are on the take.
Please refer all answers containing the phrase "Tinfoil Hat" to The Department of No! They Would Never Do That!
"But when anyone can google a picture of your penis, saying "you've violated my privacy!" is sort of stupid. NYMary"
Bwahahaha!
G'morning batties.
Eli,
Before. Don't be like NTodd; bring pants.
QL,
Should I hang on to the snowman? Personally, I don't think it's going to be a big deal--"Liberals! Playing softball!"--but I know some folks are worried.
(And was this invite idea before or after I said you were a dirty dirty girl? I need to know what kind of weekend to... prepare for)
Eli
Mary, Mary, Mary. We hardly know ye girl!
Before. Don't be like NTodd; bring pants.
*looks downcast and kicks at imaginary dirt on the floor of hotel room*
Nah, I am definitely coming. Just that it will be impossible to hold on to any secrets once more than a couple of people know. It will be interesting to see what happens afterwards.
Atrios, my brother, my man, you have got to
KEEP YOUR PIMP HAND STRONG!
Personally, I don't think it's going to be a big deal--"Liberals! Playing softball!"--but I know some folks are worried.
I think we should have a rousing game of float-the-cube as well - my sailor suit is getting kinda patchy.
Nah, Eli. Thers is no Bolton. Heck, he doesn't even have a mustache!
(I don't think he wants one, but I would complain anyway. As with my question on the lower thread, "don't these people have parents?" I ask re: Bolton's mustache, "doesn't this guy have a wife?")
No one gave a rat's patootie about Gannon until he made himself conspicuous by asking an absurdly softball question at a nationally televised press conference. Naturally, people wondered: Who is this shithead?
When people investigated his personal history, they might have discovered that he was an ambitious young investigative reporter... if that's what he was.
But he wasn't. What they discovered instead, once they had gotten behind his assumed name, was a lot of information which wasn't as important in terms of what was learned about this basically insignificant boytoy, but in raising the question: Who credentialed this fuckwit, and who is benefitting by it?
My recollection is that that's the sort of thing reporters used to do before they became celebrities.
Preznitwit just went for his physical tothe Bethesda Naval Med Ctr. They can check him out physically..but can they fix what is wrong with his mind?
Actually, I'm more interested in seeing whether or not they release the results of this physical. AFAIK, they never did release the results of the one he took during the campaign. I think they released some hokey info about the physical, but they never did really make a full disclosure of what the physical turned up.
Something is wrong with the son of a bitch, and they are terrified the public will find out.
That's my theory and I'm sticking with it until someone disproves it.
filkertom--How very short sighted
Wrong-- They have a long-range plan and have invested billions of dollars to see to their successful implementation.
Here is just a few of their sites they use across the nation to organize their corruption. These people are playing for keeps.
Here are some links to the GOP dirty tricks as they are practice. These are the GOP sites for training candidates and compaign workers and managers.
http:// www.leadershipinstitute.o...index_flash.cfm (Gannon trained here for two days to become a White House Press Reporter)
http://www.campaigntips.com/cont...m/ contactus.asp
http://www.campaignfundingdirect...om/ referals.cfm
http://www.usnetads.com/view/adI...adId/ 16604.html
http://www.campusleadership.org/
http://www.cambodiaelection2003....n2003.com&
cat=1
http://www.gopusa.com/conference/
There are several hundred more sites. This is how they do it.
This is what they want (just a start):
http://www.acton.org/publicat/ra...t/
ra...icle.php? id=219
The author of this article, and few more, is a billionaire. This is he our website. Howard Ahmanson owned the original AIS (electonic voting corporation) parent of ES&S. The other owners of AIS a pair of brothers now run ES&S and Diebold. Oh yes, Howard fund many right-wing organizations and instiitute, including the John Birch Society.
This is who they are:
Members of the Counsel for National Policy (CNP). This is a secretive conversative original hides it membership lists. But some people are breaking into that world. Here is some of the members list on a liberal (perhaps better descipted as non-right-wing conversative group of religious leaders):
http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.be.htm
They are playing for keeps and have had a long range plan to destroy America government.
Democrats lost in 2000 and 2004 with candidates Main Street regarded as elitist and aloof, to a candidate voters related to personally. Hillary isn't as obnoxious as Gore or as off-putting as Kerry. But she's got the same damn problem, and it can't be fixed.
This crap is printed as if it's gospel. Who says Gore is obnoxious and Kerry is off-putting? The whore media planted these ideas in "Main Steet's" head.
And by the way - where the fuck is Cheney?
Has he appeared since he was supposedly in the hospital in Vail?
Vail, for all love - phoniest fucking story I've heard yet: A heart patient flown up to the hospital in Vail at what - 8000 feet above sea level. Oh that makes so much sense.
Guckert's penis was not a private figure, it was a public figure. He was wagging it out there on the internet for all to see in living color. And he even urinated on the internet.... er, i mean he posted a picture of himself urinating for all to see in living color. People are free to publically post picutes of themselves peeing. But they choose to give up their private parts when they do.
when anyone can google a picture of your penis, saying "you've violated my privacy!" is sort of stupid.
Shit, I thought I'd taken those pictures down!
A heart patient flown up to the hospital in Vail at what - 8000 feet above sea level. Oh that makes so much sense.
Ah, Tena, it makes perfect sense, once you realise that the apparatus implanted in his valiant chest is set to explode when he goes below the one mile limit....
AFAIK, they never did release the results of the one he took during the campaign.
Did he finally take that physical, prior to the election? All I recall is that it kept getting postponed 'cuz he was so busy with the campaign.
Who says Gore is obnoxious and Kerry is off-putting? The whore media planted these ideas in "Main Steet's" head.
Well, that's kinda the point (although probably not the what-sounds-like-a-troll-but-I-don't-feel-like-
looking-for-it's original point). Once the media defines the candidates, they're pretty much stuck with that identity, and everything they do will be framed by the media as either confirming it, or a desperate and insincere attempt to shake free of it.
Hey, Thers wants to invite you up for a weekend. Are you gone this whole next week?
[sniff]
Hey, Thers wants to invite you up for a weekend. Are you gone this whole next week?
[sniff]
Hey, Thers wants to invite you up for a weekend. Are you gone this whole next week?
Is this the same weekend Thersites wants to go wine-tasting?, she asked hopefully.
Heh. You said manwhore twice. For that, you'll always have my respect.
Lim Ricky - I couldn't agree more - that bullshit is Repug propaganda and has nothing to do with reality.
Reality says that Kerry won the election in '04. Reality says that the election was stolen, again.
Reality is real, but man it sucks. I hate it like hell that they've gotten away with fucking our election process so thoroughly.
Somebody remind me to .pdf the Crispin Miller article in Harpers, eh?
Lime Rickey-- That is standard operations and is taught by these GOP site. Lime your oponent,even for local board of education or dog catcher, Lime big, and Lime often. And you win. Easy.
They are playing for keeps and have had a long range plan to destroy America government.
EasyRider -10:12 am
long term plans are to completely erode, undermine, and undo any and all protections offered to citizens by the form of govt that has been in practice for more than 200 years...
they dont want to 'govern,' they want to RULE...
Did he finally take that physical, prior to the election? All I recall is that it kept getting postponed 'cuz he was so busy with the campaign.
Maybe he couldn't get his regular doctor.
Over 30 years later, and he *still* has a thing about physicals...
Is this the same weekend Thersites wants to go wine-tasting?, she asked hopefully.
It probably could be...
Hopefully we can work some Dr Pepper-tasting in as well.
Heh. You said manwhore twice. For that, you'll always have my respect.
"I like manwhores."
"cock-headed manwhore"
"cock-headed manwhore"
"cock-headed manwhore"
"cock-headed manwhore"
"cock-headed manwhore"
Why do I love to say that?
Is this the same weekend Thersites wants to go wine-tasting?, she asked hopefully.
watertiger- Let's see. You're going to taste wine from the fine, fine vineyards of upstate New York? Deliberately? Will those be served from the bottles with screw-on caps or the little plastic plugs? Will there be someone there to administer glucose blood tests?
Lime your oponent,even for local board of education or dog catcher, Lime big, and Lime often. And you win. Easy.
This is especially true in the teeming metropolis of Margaritaville.
Did he finally take that physical, prior to the election? All I recall is that it kept getting postponed 'cuz he was so busy with the campaign.
Well, campaigning is hard work.
Is there a test they can run at Bethesda to prove my diagnosis of dry drunk syndrome? Advanced stage of dry drunk disease.
It probably could be...
Hopefully we can work some Dr Pepper-tasting in as well.
Mmm...Dr. Pepper....
In Australia, it's Dr. Capsicum...
Wow. This is what happens when I get too much sleep.
This is especially true in the teeming metropolis of Margaritaville.
I hear there's a large Shaker population there, but assault is a rarity...
This is especially true in the teeming metropolis of Margaritaville.
I hear there's a large Shaker population there, but assault is a rarity...
Is this the same weekend Thersites wants to go wine-tasting?, she asked hopefully.
It probably could be...
Hopefully we can work some Dr Pepper-tasting in as well.
Yeah. We can hang with Eli and let him be our designated driver.
GWPDA - Well, I wish I could express my longing for a portable microwave and a pass to get close enough to use it...alas, words fail me.
Is there a test they can run at Bethesda to prove my diagnosis of dry drunk syndrome? Advanced stage of dry drunk disease.
You're soaking in it.
okay is it Slime. I get excited and forget the little details.
lol
Lime Rickey-- That is standard operations and is taught by these GOP site. Lime your oponent,even for local board of education or dog catcher, Lime big, and Lime often. And you win. Easy.
EasyRider | 07.30.05 - 10:17 am | #
That bullshit was from an article by Jacob Weisberg in Slate magazine.
So if you're a White House intern you can have your sexual encounters broadcast in a government report, the one scandal scraped up after a $70 million vendetta.
But an internet hooker - a gay, male one at that - is of no concern to a press that gave us every salacious rumor about a president's dick.
The Bush admin beats down opponents on contrived charges of lack of moral values. They deserve to have every scandal - lying, theft, sexual indiscetions - paraded before the public eye to display their hypocrisy.
What might seem tawdry tactics in another situation is justified, absolutely necessary to break their power to harm others.
"Yeah. We can hang with Eli and let him be our designated driver."
--NYMary
Eli, you must now realize NYMary had an ulterior motive.
GWPDA,
We're pretty selective about which wineries we visit. No Chateau Screwtop for us. As long as they stay away from the Niagara grapes, it's not bad. And they're getting much better, esp. in the last decade or so.
NTodd,
You want to visit?
We can go to Cooperstown if you want, Eli.....
Well, I wish I could express my longing for a portable microwave and a pass to get close enough to use it.
Tena, you may get your wish. This morning's paper announces that the Feds wish to 'save money' by cutting the number of airport screeners at various locations, 'balancing' the system by adding more in other locations. And look! Denver, Sky Harbor, Dallas and JFK will lose screeners. Vegas (!) and LAX will be gaining them tho....
I think I'm going to have to see "The Aristocrats" tonight.
"Yeah. We can hang with Eli and let him be our designated driver."
--NYMary
Eli, you must now realize NYMary had an ulterior motive.
She may need to get used to disappointment...
This is fun. WKRC in Cincinnati has an online poll currently Hackett 79.9%; Schmidt 9.4%. Neither's outpolling Schmidt at 10.7% (via swingstate)
Eli, you must now realize NYMary had an ulterior motive.
mwa-hahahahaha.
Lime Ricky--Actually it is from the Nazis handbook.
Lie big, Lie often, and then do it all over again. But remember to lie big and often until the public is braindeath and believes what it hears. After all not everything they are hear could be lies, 'could it?'
Check the plan against the Jews by the Nazis.
We can go to Cooperstown if you want, Eli.....
OooOOOoooo...
You'd think the Washington Post would understand the Jeff Gannon story. After all, it knows all about whoring onesself for a buck or two.
NYMary - thanks, but, but... It's 86F and FIFTYSEVEN PER CENT. HUMIDIDDITY here in Phoenix. I think I'll just stand around and think of Willseyville in order to share your bliss....
watertiger,
Hold out for The Aristocats.
You want to visit?
[wipes nose on sleeve, or would if he were wearing a long-sleeved shirt]
Huh? Visit? Well, um, yeah...that would be neat. I mean, if you wouldn't mind hanging out with a leper and all. But it seems you guys are rather busy, what with all the cool people you're entertaining, so I don't know how you'd fit me in.
Hold out for The Aristocats.
seen it.
i could use a good dirty joke . . . over and over and over again . . .
Huh? Visit? Well, um, yeah...that would be neat. I mean, if you wouldn't mind hanging out with a leper and all. But it seems you guys are rather busy, what with all the cool people you're entertaining, so I don't know how you'd fit me in.
We can point and laugh when his arm falls off!
I was going to say "penis" but thought better of it.
She may need to get used to disappointment...
The Dread Pirate Eli...
I was going to say "penis" but thought better of it.
It already fell off, remember?
I was going to say "penis" but thought better of it.
Erm, thanks.
It already fell off, remember?
Not everyone reads my blog, dear.
(hoping Keith Olbermann does, though)
My blanket apologies to the Eschaton community.
I got 10 hours of sleep last night.
I don't know when the last time that happened was.
The Dread Pirate Eli...
Hm. It's *not* Talk-Like-A-Dread-Pirate Day yet, is it.
watertiger ...
How eff-ing lazy am I? I just ordered in breakfast. Never do this, but I am bone tired.
watertiger - oh, I'm sure Keith does. In fact, he passed me a note for you in gym class.
I was actually thinking of NTodd's critique of my parenting some months ago re: Gannon. Young Thers, still very much in the phase of his life where he likes to run around naked, has mastered a mantra NTodd finds damaging: "Nobody wants to see my penis." It hasn't yet caught on, but we're doing better.
If only Mother Guckert had been so thoughtful as to implant a similar idea in her boy....
I still think that Jim/Jef is linked to that pretzle incident.
res,
I knew a guy who used to do that all the time. then again, he thought he was a rock star.
YOU have a legitimate reason.
(Cover your eyes, NTodd)
res, did you get my email? Is Tuesday cool?
Young Thers, still very much in the phase of his life where he likes to run around naked, has mastered a mantra NTodd finds damaging: "Nobody wants to see my penis."
Harumph. You people, always trying to quash the free spirit...
One interesting thing about the OH 02 race is that Republicans so assume it's in the bag that they may not have the vote fraud minions in place.
Lie big, Lie often, and then do it all over again. But remember to lie big and often until the public is braindeath and believes what it hears. After all not everything they are hear could be lies, 'could it?'
I wish that just once, some "liberal" pundit, appearing on one of the cable "news" gabfests, instead of answering the inane questions by the host would just start reciting every Bush scandal, beginning with the 2000 election fraud, to the present. No matter what dumb ass questions asked by the "fair and balanced" host, recite chronologically every single BushCo lie, fraud and scandal.
Liberal spokespeople have nothing to lose. They are only invited on as make believe balance.
res, did you get my email? Is Tuesday cool?
c'mon, res, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon...
...so do I understand this correctly; G/G wasn't really reported on by other (or the real) White House press corps because all of them were afraid of what somebody else might dig up on them ? I mean, shit, come on, somebody surely would have the spine to ask little Scottie "How does a male prostitute who advertises with nude pictures of himself on the internet get a press pass, and how many times has this same manwhore spent the night at the White House?"..... feh
NYMary ... Checking all my email now. A sec, s'il vous plait ...
It already fell off, remember?
Alright, you guys. As the elder at this here meeting, what is the meaning of all this penis talk, so early in the morning. I mean an occasional penis reference after dark is one thing, but in the morning?
QL,
Just getting the . . . ball . . . rolling . . .
GWPDA - Oh that's just too cute for words - yet more proof that the Junta does not give one shit about terrorism. It's just a tool for them.
They can't be having with a victory in the GWOT, because then what would they use to cudgel the public with? Oops, there's a citizen with a brain cell left - get out the big ass terrorism stick and get to work beating that brain cell to death.
And I'm not a cockheaded manwhore either despite the number of right wing assholes I insert my head in.
Cover your eyes, NTodd
Why, is Thers walking around without pants?
Just getting the . . . ball . . . rolling . . .
Oh dear.
and at length found myself, as the shades of the evening drew on, within view of the melancholy House of Bush. I know not how it was - but, with the first glimpse of the building, a sense of insufferable gloom pervaded my spirit.
You and me both, buhbie.
Morning to all.
Yeah, NYMary, I can do that. I will ask Not-Mister. For him it will depend on where he's working that day. But I can do it. I haven't been to that place in a while.
Just getting the . . . ball . . . rolling . . .
Oy, just oy.
watertiger ...
While I am eating that order-in breakfast, know what I'm doing?
Looking at real estate porn on Corcoran. A little way to simultaneously torture and enthrall myself ...
Just getting the . . . ball . . . rolling . . .
I can just imagine that dear leader may think you've said a real mouthful......
Tena,
It's no longer GWOT.
It's GSAVE.
Oops, there's a citizen with a brain cell left - get out the big ass terrorism stick and get to work beating that brain cell to death.
Don't make fun. There is nothing more threatening to the Republican party, and therefore The American Way Of Life, than brain cells.
Brain cells are objectively pro-terrorism, you know.
yay, res! And I'm fetching steve from the Upper West Side, so he has no excuse. This'll be fun.
Looking at real estate porn on Corcoran. A little way to simultaneously torture and enthrall myself ...
Oh baby, split my level - but make sure you wear a condo.
GSAVE in da hizzy!
Right on Kate.
Brain cells are objectively pro-terrorism, you know.
.... that is unless they are stem-cells.........
All that's probably true, Atrios, but I think they're still just afraid to be seen trashing a (closeted) gay man in public.
Although they probably have a lot of fun with it around the water cooler...
My head goes sploedy,
and a drowsy numbness pains my sense,
as though of Guckert I had heard,
Or emptied some dull oxycontin to the drains
Has Gannon ever been to Bush's Ranch? or in the Area?
Looking at real estate porn on Corcoran. A little way to simultaneously torture and enthrall myself ...
Hah! Some of my gay friends call that "lesbian porn".
I still can't bring myself to contemplate buying rights to a 600 sq. ft. box for the price of a 3 bedroom house on 10 acres elsewhere in the country.
If it's too early for penis talk, it's to early for puns.
Personally, I enjoy home improvement porn--these people with $80K kitchen redos and that sort of thing. *sigh*
yay, res! And I'm fetching steve from the Upper West Side, so he has no excuse. This'll be fun.
Word?! Steve's actually going to show?
Ah yes, the Shrubbery's bait and switch.
"Sky Harbor faces losing 37 screeners
Officials assail feds' proposal for security
Ginger D. Richardson
The Arizona Republic
Jul. 30, 2005 12:00 AM
Phoenix officials are upset about a Transportation Security Administration plan that would take 37 security screeners from the airport, a move they say could undermine passenger safety.
In a strongly worded letter to the administration, Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon and Councilwoman Peggy Bilsten say they have "profound concerns" about the proposal's impact and chastised the agency for not seeking their input before details of the plan were released Thursday.
"Does a reduction at Sky Harbor make sense?" they wrote. "We don't believe it does, but we have not been a part of these discussions."
They also point out that the city has spent more than $32 million in the past four years to add security checkpoints at Sky Harbor's three passenger terminals. More are planned.
They say that investment, "without adequate staffing," is nothing but a wasted expense.
More than 440 airports across the country will see staffing levels change as a result of the reshuffling plan, which could go into effect by Oct. 1.
Some airports will lose up to one-third of their screeners; others, like Los Angeles International Airport and McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas, will gain more than 100 people.
Sky Harbor's loss equates to 4 percent of its 920 screeners.
....
On Friday, agency officials said they don't believe the proposal will cause problems at Sky Harbor even though the airport historically has had problems with long waits at security checkpoints.
....
Although Sky Harbor is expected to serve 40 million passengers this year and 50 million by 2015, it doesn't have to screen as many people as other airports, like Las Vegas, because many travelers that fly through Phoenix are on connecting flights. In those cases, passengers never have to leave the secure areas of the airport, and therefore don't need to go through a security checkpoint.
Phoenix Aviation Director David Krietor criticized the agency Friday for poor communication but stopped short of saying that the airport should get additional screeners. He did, however, question the wisdom of a reduction.
...."
Unfunded manadates in yet another form. Never consult. Safety? Security? So - JFK is no longer as vulnerable as Las Vegas? Lots of direct international flights go into Vegas from Saudi, do they?
If it's too early for penis talk, it's to early for puns.
It's never too early for punis talk.
If it's too early for penis talk, it's to early for puns.
It's never too early for punis talk.
I think that this administration has hurt enough people, destroyed enough lives, ruined enough futures and taken so much through their theft, their lies, their lack of compassion and decency, that they and those who support them deserve to be outed and ridiculed, even if it makes us out to be hypocrites. If they are the ones who lash out at a homosexual's right to live a normal life then if they have homosexual supporters they should be bashed as if they were on the recieving end of one of Dobson's hate-filled crusades. If they think that because it's the president's dick they're sucking on that this will protect them then they should be shown that it is only a matter of time before the truth of the kind of people they are associating with feal that they've been sucked on too long and find a new whore. They will be tossed out with the rest of the vermin and forced to live with the liberals and democrats who are relegated to third-class citizen status if that.
Right now the likes of the press and Gannon aren't being forced to consider what will happen once they disappoint their task masters. We should make them experience this now rather than later for their own sakes as much as our own.
As Gene Hackmen's character 'FBI agent Anderson' said in the movie 'Mississippi Burning'
"These people crawled out of the gutter agent Ward, so maybe in the gutter is where we have to be?!"
The only problem with this quote and what it signifies is it's application to the use of torture.
MYOB'
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Res Ipsa - ah, Real Estate porn.
My ex-neighbor is addicted to Real Estate porn, and thus she sold the place next door right out from under the couple who has rented it for the last 4 summers, who spent a small fortune improving her property. When she decided to sell so she could buy another 40 acres out of Hotchkiss, she went right to an Investment Group and by-passed any hope we had of continuing to have a real residential situation. She just fucked the last 3 years of my life, which were some of the happiest years I've known.
Sorry to go OT - I'm just really depressed and bitter about it.
watertiger,
Yeah, Greta Garbo and I actually have a plan.
So last night ...
I stop by this small gathering. And a good friend is there. And he falls right off the wagon in front of us all. Says, "Don't tell my wife I'm drinking. I only do it when she's not around." Everyone is stunned, but no one knows if we are supposed to say/do anything.
What is proper etiquette when someone who has been sober for a year suddenly starts drinking right in front of your face?
yay, res! And I'm fetching steve from the Upper West Side, so he has no excuse. This'll be fun.
NYMary
Now I feel like NTodd.
QL,
Same stinky dive as last time, if you want to join us. I think last time you said your East Village dive days were behind you, which is the only reason I didn't mention it.
Tena ...
I didn't say I had the dough to buy the R.E. ...
I am confused about what happened with the neighbor. Were you hoping to buy the property?
What is proper etiquette when someone who has been sober for a year suddenly starts drinking right in front of your face?
Other than not handing him a refill? Nothing at all res. It's not your problem.
res,
It's possible that he may have learned to drink in moderation, though the secrecy thing doesn't bode well. But I'm skeptical of the AA all-or-nothing line generally. Did he need to be helped home?
Ha! watertiger ...
I threw in "co-op," "condo," "outdoor space," and "pre-war" on the UES.
First entry comes in at $21MM. Check it.
My theory is that G/G has been some kind of operative...
A man 'ho covert?
What is proper etiquette when someone who has been sober for a year suddenly starts drinking right in front of your face?
find out who his AA sponsor is?
Later, shoebats - time to be oot-and-aboot.
I threw in "co-op," "condo," "outdoor space," and "pre-war" on the UES.
First entry comes in at $21MM. Check it.
Sweet jesus.
Who ARE these people?
Nah, he didn't need to be helped home. But he was immediately wasted after taking his first drink, which leads me to believe that it wasn't his first of the day.
He is a dope. Our friend is going leave him now. He has really fucked this up.
watertiger,
Aren't you weekending in The Hamptons, you cool chick?
Me too. Bing-hampton.
(This joke is very popular among downstate denizens of our university.)
Other thing ...
His wife wasn't there. She's away until mid-next-week. Are we all supposed to stay mum about this lapse? Eventually, she'll figure out what's going on, but we're not supposed to tell her, right?
Aren't you weekending in The Hamptons, you cool chick?
I bailed. I'm not crazy about my sister's boyfriend, who was coming out to the house for the weekend.
My life is too short to spend time with people I don't like.
RIL, make it crystal clear to your drinking friend that you will not cover for him. If his wife brings it up, you will not lie for him.
Other than that, I'm not sure what you can do.
I think res is asking us if she should tell the wife outright, without being asked. That's a puzzler, and a lot depends on the backstory, which we don't have.
res - No drunk has ever been able to conceal his or her drinking from anybody. Your friend will not be able to do so from his wife. Stay out of it. Assuming he's not your husband/father/brother/nephew/lover/uncle or employee, and that his wife is equivalently not any direct connexion to you, stay out of it. Don't enable him by participating.
Other than not handing him a refill? Nothing at all res. It's not your problem.
WE HAVE A WINNNER!
"Members of the media hate the idea that they themselves could be considered to be "public figures" ... They want to be immune to the kind of scrutiny they give to others."
BINGO!!! And we could add some bloggers (are you listening Andy?) to this list.
Cubbie fans:
I'll trade you Tom Seaver for Steve Stone.
I wish we still had WGN on cable.
It's never too early for punis talk.
Size doesn't matter.
TOW ... But we shouldn't go and tell her, right? Just not lie if she asks us?
A message for the First Draft Folks...
I think your doors are open...
Something seems wierd at your place.
It shows me logged in as Athenae[admin]...
You might want to do a perimeter check.
Tony B.
It shows me logged in as Athenae[admin]...
Whoops. Somebody left the key in the door, did they?
Okay, GWPDA. None of those connections exist. So will just sit on it. He is such a dick.
res,
no lying. no involvement other than what you are asked.
My life is too short to spend time with people I don't like.
Word, girl.
res,
You got it.
price: $21,000,000
maint/cc: $15,485
taxes: $7,966 (monthly)
Uhm, the monthly maintenance is more than I pay a year in maintenance. Waaaay more.
Thanks Mary, right you are, and I wasn't upset, just thought I would snark a bit.
Actually my older daughter, whom I haven't seen in two years is coming home either the 2nd or 3rd. Since I don't have a life, she figures she can leave it vague and we will just be sitting and waiting for her. She's right!
More entertaining. I recently and inadvertently stumbled over photographs of a previously unknown great-uncle - truly, my Chicago shyster lawyer great-uncle. I can have prints made, at a fair expense, but will take suggestions as to which of the two photos would be the best for the family gallery. Either this one or this one. Which one best seems to represent Great Uncle Izzie and his time?
you still wasting time on this Gannon BS?
Atrios must really hate fags: "man-whore" -- who gives a shit!?
One wish, that Bush recess appoints Bolton only to find him indicted, or named as an un-indicted co-conspirator in Rovegate come October.
One wish, that Bush recess appoints Bolton only to find him indicted, or named as an un-indicted co-conspirator in Rovegate come October.
Morning all.
Oh, and screw the media elite (figuratively) who want to pretend they are not public figures.
If they wanted to keep their private lives private, they should have chosen a different career path.
GWPDA,
I like the hat one, though it's too bad he's not the guy in the pith helmet.
Res Ipsa - Oh, it was just an opening to let me vent a minute.
No, what happened is that the woman who owned the place next door didn't stay there. She also has an incredibly expensive house at about 11,820 ft., up at the top of a jeep road above here. So she rented the place next door to a couple for the summer for the last 4 years. I have gotten very close to the couple - we've been like family, in and out of each other's places, their grown kids have stayed in my spare room, and it's been a wonderful 4 summers.
But the woman who owns the place decided last week to sell. Instead of offering it to the renters, who had asked for a right of first refusal, she went directly to the realtor here and made a deal with an investment group. The couple told her they would buy the place and Mr. Tena was going to send the cash up here as a bridge loan while the couple worked out financing. The woman wouldn't wait. She closed the deal with the investment group instead.
That's her right, but it was one shitty thing to do to both me and the couple she has rented to. They've landscaped the damn place for her, because she said wouldn't sell it out from under them. Then she did.
I like the hat one, though it's too bad he's not the guy in the pith helmet.
That would be a police officer I believe, NYMary....
you said poop
Other than not handing him a refill? Nothing at all res. It's not your problem.
GWPDA, Irate Scholar
Correctomundo. We really can't take responsibility for other people's lives. It is a sure way to end a friendship, number one, and it never seems to work. I am reminded about the line in "A River Runs Through It" that we can't always be what the other person needs, when they need it. It is not a personal failing. I've learned the hard way.
GWPDA,
GREAT photos!!!
I'm with mer --
I thought that gay sex at the White House would be newsworthy (not that it is important -- they're not the same you know)
I'm sure that the MSM COULD have made a big story out of a male whore doing overnights in the West Wing -- can anyone believe that it wouldn't have forced a Democratic President out of office?
Duncan, does this mean we get to do another fag hunt?
"gay sex at the White House "
nobody had gay sex at the white house. some gay prostitute was 'allowed in' and 'given a press pass' instead of discovered and burned at the stake. to atrios this is a scandal.
what a humanitarian!
GREAT photos!!!
watertiger - Yes, Great-Uncle Izzie seems to have had quite an interesting clientele....
" Duncan, does this mean we get to do another fag hunt?"
FAG HUNT FAG HUNT!
Let's find some more right wing FAGS who are MAN WHORES and who SUCK COCK!
Atrios thinks these words are deeply insulting, because Atrios is a homophobe.
RIL, it depends on how close you are to the wife. 99% of the time it's better to say nothing unless asked.
"gay sex at the White House "
...and likely in the Oval Office.
You remember the Oval Office, that's the place Grecian Formula held in such high esteem he wouldn't take off his coat and tie.
It's not gay sex, it's prostitution.
I think that when someone gets paid to have sex, it isn't just about the act, it's about the business transaction, which is illegal in most places in the USA.
To have such a person even walking into the White House is a public scandal, because whenever someone who is a criminal enters the White House, that is a major story.
Gosh, the trolls don't recognize hypocrisy (but all you knew that)
res --
So much depends on how close you are to your friend -- if you feel outraged that she is being deceived & can't keep it in, that is one thing
If you are not emotionally involved, don't get sucked into the middle of someone else's marital crisis (never a good place to be)
But speak the truth, come whence it may, cost what it will
What is it with Republicans and ignorance?
Anyone remember that famous bit of Reagan scientific insight about poluted waterways? Even the sycophants were shocked at the utter stupidity.
Prior A & TOW ... If she asks, I won't lie. But I won't affirmatively go out and tell her what happened. I am so mad at him I could spit. He is screwing up so bad...and my friend is going to be hurt. She has been through enough with him and has been very patient and supportive.
GWPDA ... I like the photo on the left, i.e., him alone.
Tena ... That sucks. People are assholes when it comes to real estate.
res - I'll just add the same advice that everyone else has given you - stay out of it.
If you're asked, tell the truth. If you're not asked, don't get involved.
"I think that when someone gets paid to have sex, it isn't just about the act, it's about the business transaction, which is illegal in most places in the USA."
Michele, Im sure they let some tax cheats and jaywalkers into the white house once. who cares? you guys are such a bunch of cornpone prudes.
The administration that has people thrown out of SS fake town hall meeting for having a political bumper sticker on their car isn't bothered by a gay prostitute who posted photos of his genitals on the internet (think of the children!) while using a fake name and lying about his military service?
The security obsessed WH doesn't care that this LIAR was in and out of the WH at odd hours and had no background in journalism?
RIGHT! Hahahahahaha!
Hi Tena. Check out my message up there a tiny bit.
Hi Fresh Laundry!
Tony B.
"Anyone remember that famous bit of Reagan scientific insight about poluted waterways? Even the sycophants were shocked at the utter stupidity.
Al Swearengen"
I think it went something like "Even the most polluted river on earth can be cleaned by having it flow over a mile of gravel." I got the impression Reagan didn't know what a molecule was.
Then was was the bit about launching nuclear missiles, changing you mind and having them turn back; I've seen Bugs Bunny cartoons where that ahppens
Gosh, the trolls don't recognize hypocrisy
sure we do -- atrios is a homophobe and a hypocrite.
for his part, gannon hasnt written anything critical of gays.
GWPDA - Thanks, it does suck to an extent I haven't even bored all of you with.
I appreciate the kind words because I'm just devastated, and so are my friends.
It is amazing and comical how thin-skinned the press whores are. I make it a practice to write a journalist directly on occasion when that journalist has been quoted by someone like Howard Kurtz or otherwise come to attention as an actor in their own right.
Write them US mail, courteously (usually) but firmly pointing out their indiscretion, lack of judgement, whatever. Citizen to citizen. I hear back now and then –- they fucking hate it. It's one of my major amusements.
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res --
See, I agree with Tena, so I must be right!
Tena, I am so sorry about your neighbor -- landlords are truly evil -- I know because the monks are landlords 
(three rental houses) & I am the lease signer -- we just gave notice to one of our tenants (patern of late payments, not keeping the house up -- going to cost us a mint to get it fixed up for the next tenant)
"
The security obsessed WH doesn't care that this LIAR was in and out of the WH at odd hours and had no background in journalism?"
apparently they don't. omigod thats a big scandal! gannon sux cock! he is a total FAG!
Where I come from, Guckert would be described as a "public utility" rather than a "public figure". However, objectifying sex workers may be wrong.
Oh the troll is just so cute - aren't you trollie? I know you hit and run, you coward.
Funny, you trolls didn't think it was so strange when Starr was waving that blue dress around. I guess it's ok to attack heterosexual conduct in the oval office, but homosexual sex in the WH is off limits to discussion, lest we be accused, as you have done to Atrios, of being homophobic.
It's that Repug game - if anyone mentions Israel in any context, it is immediately anti-semitism. If anyone mentions that, say, a gay male prostitute who sells his body online, had access to the WH, well, that makes the person who mentions it a homophobe.
Fuck you troll - we're the liberals; we don't play that game, remember?
The security obsessed WH doesn't care that this LIAR was in and out of the WH at odd hours and had no background in journalism?
If July, 2005 proved anything, it's that GW Bush and his cronies are liars. Small wonder they'd "entertain" male prostitutes in the White House. But what would Grecian Formula say?
GWPDA, I'd go with photo 2. How wonderful to find those!
Excellent Draco! Impressive.
I wonder if Trollie is Jeff Gannon himself?
At any rate, trollie thinks it is OK that someone in the White House has been hiring prostitutes, gay or not.
Which one best seems to represent Great Uncle Izzie and his time?
GWPDA, Irate Scholar
Hmmm, this is almost a trick question.
If I had to choose, I guess I'd pick the photo of your uncle standing alone on the steps of the courthouse/prison/precinct?, papers (?) in hand.
It is obviously purer, in the sense of less cluttered, than the other image, and keeps the classic portrait tradition of presenting the subject in a context that tells the viewer what he (she) was about.
The other photo is a keeper, too. And the busier group setting-- and even the technical features such as the scribbled signatures and trails from the light sources, gives a better feel for the times.
Figure and background-- your uncle is the figure in the standing shot, almost part of the background in the second. (He's literally in the foreground, but I'm speaking metaphorically.)
I would expect NTodd and the other actual photographers on this site to offer an authoritative multi-page response. I'm just shootin' from the hip here.
Monkeyfister - thank you - we've been hacked twice, so I better check on what the hell is going on at First-Draft and contact Athenae.
I'll be back in a bit.
Appreciate you stopping by, troll, you must be tired, I mean, before you came here I know you took the time to visit all the right-wing sites first. You told Falwell that his blaming 9/11 on fags was childishly stupid. Then you went and told Dobson and Roberts and Santorum that you're ashamed to share your party with such homophobic simpletons. That you shudder when you realize your President is in office solely on the margin of votes provided by mean-spirited small-minded folks who ran to the polls to stop 'gay marriage.'
Go on, get some sleep, you deserve it.
Dear Mr. Krim:
Re your Washington Post article "Subway Fracas Escalates the Internet"s Power to Shame"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...5070601953.html
You state --
"But the mob went further, reporting and speculating on aspects of Gannon's private life."
There was nothing to "speculate" about. James Guckert (aka. "Jeff Gannon") was a male prostitute selling his services on the internet on websites that required no degree of guile to find. That the Post, which devoted countless column inches to Bill Clinton's sexcapades with Monica Lewinsky, showed no interest in following up what a male prostitute was doing in the White House -- even before a journalistic fig leaf was affixed to his frequent comings and goings through a fake front organization -- is a question your editors have never so much as considered asking.
Sincerely,
David Ehrenstein
Los Angeles, Ca
Trolls,
Please, just kill yourselves now. Get a gun, stick it your big, fat mouth, and pull the trigger. Don't worry about the mess.
Don't "DeLay", do it today!
res, no lying, it helps nobody (except republican kool-aid drinkers).
If you're asked, tell the truth. If you're not asked, don't get involved.
Tena
Incidentally and confidentially to all umpteen eleventy and so of you, I've just broken my word. I've been outside in the 90F/50% humidity pruning the cassias on the west side of the house - and I absolutely swore I wouldn't do such a thing, or even go outside during this heat. Granted I promised with my whole heart, and granted breaking that promise could in fact kill me, and it was very wrong of me, but I'm sure you'll keep it a secret between just us. Don't you tell the person I promised!
Tena - btw, don't suppose your friends actually got that right of first refusal in writing in any way? Colorado being a frontier state may well have a means of endorsing a handshake deal like that without a lot of trouble. Kind of like being able to buy a lot of dangerous stuff on signature at the drugstore, 'cause you had to stock the medicine chest for the ride home, 300 miles away...
Gannon wasn't just a cockheaded manwhore, he lied about being in the Marines with that "hot military stud" schtick"!
david ehrenstein, do you think male prostitution is so morally scandalous as to be newsworthy?
IOKIYAR = another way of saying "mom, he started it!"
aping the worst behavior of republicans, that's just juvenile.
Still haven't shot yourself eh? Too bad.
Still haven't shot yourself eh? Too bad.
stinky, nobody knows who gannon is or cares. nobody knew or cared before atrios weird homophobic crusade. whether the guckert nonentity lied or not to his readers or didnt pay his taxes or sucked cock for money, nobody cares much cuz nobody knows who he is.
atrios cares cause sucking cock is GROSS and republicans or hypocrites and sucking cock is for FAGS.
Just one bullet, that's all it'll take. Make sure you stick the barrel right under your chin so you don't miss...
"
At any rate, trollie thinks it is OK that someone in the White House has been hiring prostitutes, gay or not."
nobody in the white house has been hiring prostitutes , and no i wouldnt care much if they were.
blakno1, why do you hate fags? why do you thnk cocksucking is gross? im curious do explain.
Oh, and make sure it's a decent size gun as well. Don't be using a .22 or some other pea-shooter like that.
Hey trollie, I mean Jimmyjeff, isn't the main reason that no reporting of your unprecedented access to the White House is that the WH press corps is being held quite firmly by their short ones, by the threat of not being allowed back into the White House ?
So, trollie thinks it is OK for someone in the White House to be hiring prostitutes.
I suppose you think that what Clinton did was OK as well right?
nobody cares about access to the white house for reporters. nobody cares about guckert and his sex life. you guys are obsessed!
http://www.honcho.com/
here's some more icky man sex to fret over. Im sure some of these gents voted republican.
You're still here. You're just incapable of doing the honorable thing, aren't you?
Just one bullet and all your problems will be solved. Just think, you'll be able to be with St Ronnie, won't that be wonderful!
" So, trollie thinks it is OK for someone in the White House to be hiring prostitutes.'
if they were I wouldnt care, but they weren't.
what frat turned atrios into such a homophobic cretin? sig ep? delta phi?
aping the worst behavior of republicans, that's just juvenile.
trollie mcgoo
"It's not the sex, it's the lying."
"It's not the sex, it's the lying."
"It's not the sex, it's the lying."
"It's not the sex, it's the lying."
"It's not the sex, it's the lying."
Neener. Neener.
Oh, BTW -- hey, y'all.
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Hey, ain't it the truth. Did Dobson and Co. get mad when you said that to them, y'know, earlier today when you cleaned your own house, which you'd always do before you'd dare criticize your neighbor's home?
'Cause God knows you're not some hypocrite, or anything like that?
"If anyone mentions that, say, a gay male prostitute who sells his body online, had access to the WH, well, that makes the person who mentions it a homophobe."
yes they are. you think 'gay maleprostitute' is scandalous, so you are a homophobe and a priss. and you arent a liberal, dont kid yourself.
The above (12:13) post should start with a cut 'n' paste of this: 'you guys are obsessed,' thank you kindly, haloscan.
""It's not the sex, it's the lying.""
no, its the sex. MANWHORE! MANWHORE!
ACCESS TO THE WHITEHOUSE!
I took a tour of the whitehouse once. big whoop di doo.
Your brains flying out the back of your head will make a lovely picture. Make sure you set up a tripod w/ a camera on timer to capture that special moment.
blakno1, what are the atrios 'greek letters' and what is the intitiation like? i hope it doesnt involve paddling. will atrios be passing out pledge pins at eschacon?
FAGS R GROSS!
IOKIYAR!
waahhhh!
So, trollie thinks it is OK for someone in the White House to be hiring prostitutes.
Trollie is a prostitute, much like his leaders. They simply sell something else, which makes them a lot like the fanatical jihadies only they do it for money rather than Allah.
Well, gotta go! Make sure your next of kin send me those photos!
Troll, no really, please cut'n'paste for us what Dobson's/Falwell's/Robertson's responses were when you took them to task for their childish homophobia, which you did before coming over here. We'd really love to share with you the hilarity on reading what those people said when you stood up to them.
"please cut'n'paste for us what Dobson's/Falwell's/Robertson's responses were when you took them to task for their childish homophobia,"
I haven't responded to their childish homophobia because its beneath me and a waste of time, and b/c they arent pretending to be liberals.
To be more succinct, they'd open coat-hanger abortion clinics nationwide if they thought it would advance their interests. Why? Because that's the kind of people they are.
Do you guys remember when the Gannon thing first started heating up a bit and that guy came out with "tapes" of Bush admitting to smoking pot(bfd) and saying things like "I don't want to kick the gays"? Then the "tape guy" dissappeared after the press was primed with the "Bush tape scandal."
Do you note the similarity now that attention is being focused on Rove over the Plame affair, suddenly there's a "rumor" about Rove having a heterosexual affair?
My suspicion is that these were both misdirection plays orchestrated by Rove to produce a competing "scandal" which would serve to innoculate the admin. against the much larger scandal involving GG which, I believe, also goes back to Rove.
You could at least tell them that you and your highminded friends are going to read them out of the party come Convention time 2008. That you'd rather lose the White House than have your forward-looking party tied to their medieval hypocritical fake puritanism.
Let us know how that goes, we'll be cheering you on.
Rove, Libby and friends proved that clear enough.
karl rove controls the weather and the microchip in my brain. karl rove is the one sending atrios into homophobic fits over guckert the FAG!
than have your forward-looking party
everyone who insults atrios is a republican operative. thats the only possible explanation!
karl is all powerful and all knowing.
Karl Rove won his President the White House in 2004 by playing the gay marriage card to bring out the troglodyte evangelical vote. You're right to be ashamed of him. I'm glad you tell your fellow conservatives how ashamed you are every chance you get.
I'm glad you tell your fellow conservatives how ashamed you are every chance you get.
everyone who insults atrios is a republican operative. thats the only possible explanation!
karl is all powerful and all knowing.
FAGS SUCK COCK!
Karl is all powerful and all knowing? LMAO, the much simpler explanation is that puppets like you are so easily played that even a halfwit like Karl Rove can do it.
*WHAPP*
"Thank you sir may I have another!"
*WHAPP*
"Thank you sir may I have another!"
*WHAPP*
"Thank you sir may I have another!"
Ahhh those were happy days, right atrios?! bet you beat up some fags after initiation. fun times.
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ASSuME THE POSITION!
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I said assume the position pledge!
One thing Republicans surely lack is perspective.
They can make the weirdest connections between unrelated events, and make something that is nothing into the end of the word. Strange, but all part of their political tactics.
The Gannon story is very serious, because this unknown person, who worked for a fake tabloid-news organization funded by wealthy Republican(s) who were out to get people who they didn't like, had special access to the White House; talk about a Homeland Security breach!
I don't know anything about dog poop girl, so I have to make some assumptions; but this happens to be a pet-peeve of mine. One, you described her as Korean. Okay. Does this person know she is in America and there are rules, protocols, manners of civility. She needs to become part of the melting pot. Two, people that abuse a situation (i.e., walking dogs freely and then not cleaning up after them), makes it difficult for those who don't abuse a situation. Part of dog ownership, especially in cities and subways, includes picking up the poop. The next thing our politicians will want to do is tax people with dogs, because other people have to be hired to cleanup the messes that dog poop girl should have done herself. Last, if everyone did it, it would be pretty unpleasant.
If Dog poop girl didn't know, and then was informed, and still didn't
do it, she is a bad dog owner and worse, a bad community neighbor.
Don't Koreans abuse their dogs and actually eat them; which could put a whole new twist on this story. Was it HER dog in the first place, or was it dinner? I did mention I don't know anything about this story other than what was written here.
Bottom-line: Dog poop girl should pick up the poop, no ifs, ands, or butts.
Hey, trollie mcgoo...
How are your real wages? Are they rising, like those of 90% of working people in this country? Or are you a top one percenter?
How was your shrimp-topped-steak at Applebee's happy hour last night? Good? Or could afford a piece of Kobe beef alongside your party's elite?
How's your kids' college fund? Nice and fat? Or are you wondering how you're going to meet those bills? Will they be relegated to some shitty state junior college? Or are they going to Harvard with the elite of your party?
Just askin' ...
dont try changing the subject pledge!
drink!
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What is proper etiquette when someone who has been sober for a year suddenly starts drinking right in front of your face?
res ipsa loquitur
If the guy is a good friend who really had a problem with alcohol, I would talk to him privately ask him why he recently chose to resume drinking and discuss it if he's open to it. If his drinking bothers you, tell him honestly why.
People are free to make their own choices, even if those choices are bad ones. It's ultimately his life to live as he chooses. But you also have the right to set your boundaries, too. If you don't feel comfortable serving him alcohol in the future - don't.
trollie mcgoo ...
At least gays can't marry, right? That's all your party's concerned about. DOesn't matter if you, the wife and kids go right down the shitter. As long as those top one percenters are making boatloads of cash and gays can't marry.
There's a sucker born every minute, troll. Just take a look in your mirror.
As long as those top one percenters are making boatloads of cash and gays can't marry.
who or what is an applebee?
guckert! quack!
trollie mcgoo ... take the kids to the movies today ... if you can afford it. but when you have to sneak in your own popcorn because it costs too much, sooth yourself with the reassurance that gays can't marry.
Sucker.
At least gays can't marry, right?
right, that's why Im insulting atrios by calling him a homophobe and saying he's aping republicans and fratboys! that totally makes sense after 5 or 6 bong hits.
trollie mcgoo ...
i heard you got invited to the white house ... to clean the toilets after all the top one percenters go home!
Be sure to bring the wife. She's going to hate you for it!
but when you have to sneak in your own popcorn because it costs too much
you do NOT want to be eating that popcorn. I worked in a movie theatre once ; there is some nasty unsanitary shit going on there.
The troll is trying to wriggle out of the argument that he's a hypocrite not to criticize the right for their homophobia, he's trying to wriggle out of it the only way he knows how...by asserting that all along we misunderstood, he's a LIBERAL CRITICIZING DUNCAN FROM THE LEFT.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! I see!! How could we have made that mistake? Well, ok, then let's have a discussion, and we'll take the assumption you came here today 'cause you were an outraged liberal. How many back-and-forth exchanges would you be able to take part in, where you typed 'liberal points' through gritted teeth, before your head exploded? Wanna play, and find out?
How dare anyone insult the Jeff Gannon cause celebre!
head explode? I'm having me some shrimp topped steak and it is DEELICIOUS!
oh, FAGS SUCK!
I worked in a movie theatre once ; there is some nasty unsanitary shit going on there.
Ah, trollie. Why am I not surprised that you are a working class fool seduced by Repuke "philosophy."
WORK HARDER, trollie. Then maybe you will get to the White House ... to clean Jenna's toilet.
" he's a hypocrite not to criticize the right for their homophobia"
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
am I off the hook? can we dispense with the "hypocrite" canard, pledgemaster?
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
this is how I begin and end each post to remind myself that
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
"working class fool?" is 'working class' meant to compound the insult? someone is an elitist AND a homphobe. why am I not surprised?
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
to clean Jenna's toilet.
People who clean toilets are plebes!
Fags suck!
ps I HATE REPUBLICANS (my how that rolls off the tongue)
'applebee's...'
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project much, homophobic snob?
Totally off the hook, pledge. So, you're a dyed-in-the-wool lib? Always glad to meet a fellow lib. You were as burned up as I was when the administration put all those 'save marriage' initiatives on the ballots in key states, in a cynical attempt to win the election. Pricks, weren't they?
"working class fool?" is 'working class' meant to compound the insult? someone is an elitist AND a homphobe. why am I not surprised?
Isn't only an insult if you think it's an insult to be working class, trollie.
Unlike you and your ilk, liberals don't hold any class in contempt.
Sucker born every minute -- just look in your mirror.
it's interesting to note what mmm trolls thinks is insulting:
I clean toilets
I eat at applebees.
Since when do snobby homophobes call themselves liberals?
Pricks, weren't they?
is this a trick question? uhh... yeah sure. how many iterations of "REPUBLICAN HOMOPHOBES SUCK" must we experience before this silly line of attack is abndoned!?
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
just had to get those off my chest.
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
Why is Atrios pretending to be a HOMOPHOBIC REPUBLICAN?
How many more posts about faggotry must we withstand before Atrios GROWS THE FUCK UP !
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
(repeat as necessary...)
Isn't only an insult if you think it's an insult to be working class, trollie.
I clearly don't which is why I was confused that you mentioned it dumbass.
you guys are such hayseeds. prostitution, gay sex, only a fucking hayseed would be 'outraged' about these things. and yes, hayseed is an insult.
Although you've got me convinced you're a DITWL (dyed-in-the-wool lib), I really do think you totally missed Atrios' point. That's ok, lots of time for us to hash it out in the coming weeks, in between us both hammering the Administration over its WMD lies and other fun stuff.
But, anyway, even if Atrios was being homophobic, my point was that a DITWL like yourself does consider, don't you, that a left-wing blog that doesn't control any purse strings, that doesn't run any costly pointless wars, etc., shouldn't come in for a fraction of our mutual outrage than a party that is currently running the executive and legislative branches based on their pandering to homophobes? I can just feel the indignation coming off you, and I am glad for it. Being a couple of DITWL's, how about we share our stories of the right-wing tools we've run into out there, and the way you and me both got in their faces about this horrible Administration ruining the country?
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casting call for Tena!
fourmorewars that retreat to higher ground Im sure sounds high-minded to you but to ordinary people it just sounds pious and sanctimonious. this thread is about man whores and the closeted homophobes who bash them. stay on target!
4morewars, why are you not out expressing your outrage to republican toads RIGHT NOW!
Yes, the Gannon episode is surely the weirdest scandal of the Bush administration. It overtly raises the spectre of the bizarrely homoerotic tendencies of the conservative party. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
As a DITWL lib you know as well as I do that the rightwing has closeted homophobes by the walk-in closetful. So all's I'm saying is that we both should agree, it's more important to focus on the closeted homophobes who are running our country right now than the ones who aren't. Let's both stay on target, fellow lib!
4morewars, why are you not out expressing your outrage to republican toads RIGHT NOW!
Hey, I thought I was. I've already apologized for not recognizing you for the liberal you are, haven't I?
Hey, I thought I was. I've already apologized for not recognizing you for the liberal you are, haven't I?
sho nuff, and a soft answer turneth away the troll, so I shall depart. congrats 4 more wars.
soft answer turneth away the troll, so I shall depart.
"Mr. Rove, I'm getting my ass handed to me on a platter. Can I take my break now?"
How you could talk to a fellow dyed-in-the-wool liberal like that, dave, I just don't know.
HOMOPHOBIC RIGHTWINGERS SUCK!
Should read, "Homophobic rightwingers don't suck, they blow!"
Here's an image the trolls should ponder, Ken Mehlman in tights doing a Richard Simmons imitation.
Seems somehow appropriate, in a revulsive sort of way.
Ken Mehlman, sweat'n to the oldies.
What I don't get is that Gannon/Guckert, in his interview of Wilson early in this thing, was referring to a secret CIA memo citing that Plame sent Wilson to Niger. I have heard that this had been leaked from some Congressional committee. As now seems to be the case, there is no document of Plame sending Wilson to Niger because she didn't. However:
1. Where did this alleged leak come from?
2. What was the timing of Gannon/Guckert's interview with Wilson, and was it part of the same administration disinfo campaign?
3. Is there anything in Gannon/Guckert's participation in this thing to lead back towards Rove et al?
Gannon/Guckert is more than just a whore going into and out of the White House at odd hours, and more than just a media whore. His professional status in one field gained him professional status in the other, and his rank amateurism at journalism and flacking may have left more clues as to the Plame Affair.
Have there been any reports of Gannon/Guckert having been brought in for questioning by the special prosecutor, and if not, why not? He seems to have been privy to something secret and should be of interest to this investigation.
I just hope THEY don't have pictures of Fitzgerald in flagrante with farm animals.
Hey? Who's insulting Applebees restaurants around here?
MYOB'
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A leading Sunni official in Iraq says he has been sacked by the government over his outspoken complaints against the killings and arrests of members of his community by the police.
Can you say "Civil War"?
you guys are such hayseeds.
Did someone say soemthing about elitists.
Just who in the White House was Gannon urinating on, anyway?
The "dog poop" is the connection.
"Dog poop on the subway"
"Dog poop in the White House"
"Dog poop in the MSM"
Enough said?
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