I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Fuck Bush.
Vote Green instead of Dean
But the economy is fucking great!
Look, jobs!
No shit.
We will be out by 2006. We don't have an army. And because HR Clinton, Bayh & co are beating the war drum Bush will get credit for getting us out of Iraq and the press will conveniently forget who got us into Iraq.
sigh
Worst president ever. It's going to take the nation two generations to clean up his trainwrecks and toxic spills.
Hecate--I'm glad Haloscan is recognizing you for the goddess you are and giving you the first slot.
Bloody with Bays seasoning?
"I've earned some political capital and I intend to spend it. It's my style."
GWB Nov. 3, 2004
Hey, George - YOU broke it - YOU fix it!
Bloody with Bays seasoning?
Mmmmmmmm 
Thersites--did you hear that now they want to downgrade some nuclear waste sites to 'incidental waste?'
Repackage it, but it's the same old same old.
The world at war?
Are we there there again?
BushBlair and blood
I say enough.
You'd never know Bush was held in so low esteem, not from reading the NYT or WaPo.
The press still treats Bush as if he were the wildly popular so-called "war president." Why isn't the press challenging Bush? A good place to start is his damned structural deficit, a deficit that exists because of Bush's lack of discipline. No, the press reports the debt but doesn't ask any questions -- questions like why the deficit even exists. Utterly pathetic.
Looking at this photo, and reading this from Digby, you just want to cry.
We have a man with a child's mind running this country. Millions of us can see this as clearly as we can see his face on our television screens. People can call me an elitist and a snob for pointing this out but I will never stop. It's like telling me it's rude to notice that the sun came up this morning or that gravity exists. It is observable fact that this president is intellectually stunted. I'm not going to pretend otherwise so that certain people's feelings don't get hurt. I'll lose my mind.
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I love that picture of petulant Bush Atrios, and as much as I'd like too, I'll never caption it in deference to you.
Less than 40 by Labor Day!
hecate--I'd say Chimpy's been overdrawn for a while now.
He's gonna be mighty shocked to find that Jeebus doesn't offer overdraft protection.
Afternoon, all.
Good point -- if this Preznit has such piss-poor poll numbers, why is the media still fawning?
But the economy is fucking great!
Ah, but it is. As long as you're the CEO of a major corporation. And since those are the only people this government exists to serve, everything is just fine.
In other words, "Mission Accomplished."
Pere Ubu--2 a.m. phone calls?
No matter how low Bush goes, he will be always more popular than Dean and netroots.
Hey, George - YOU broke it - YOU fix it!
dave™©®
My sentiment as well. Unfortunately he is so incompetent that there is no way that he could fix it even if he wanted to.
Attaturk--I only appreciate that particular photo of Chimpy because it reveals so much about him.
With quite a lot of fanfare
the Busheviks will withdraw some substantial fraction of US ground troops in Iraq before the 2006 'elections,' thus giving themselves the putative cover they're going to need to steal the elections again...
otoh, there will STILL be a LOT (over 80,000) troops still in Iraq on 'election' day; mainly manning the 14 bases now abuilding or completed in the region...
gopukes and busheviks will gain seats in the 2006 'elections', both in the house and in the senate, even though the results will be chillingly, unnervingly, tantalizingly 'close.'
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America just needs a nice five-week vacation. We'll let Dick and "Scooter" run things for a while. What could happen?
No matter how low Bush goes, he will be always more popular than Dean and netroots.
SO FUCKING WHAT?
Unfortunately he is so incompetent that there is no way that he could fix it even if he wanted to.
Maybe he could finish out his TANG service? Just a thought...
Noam--Chimpy takes lots of vacation so you don't have to.
No matter how low Bush goes, he will be always more popular than D--
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But he's a good Christian!
the results will be chillingly, unnervingly, tantalizingly 'close.'
the Repugs tend to win a lot of "really close" races these days, don't they?
Almost as if someone was controlling the vote counting and trying to make it look innocent by not giving too much of a margin to the Repugs...
And at this moment we're flattening some town in Iraq in revenge for the killing of the marines. Just like a child would do. The horror we perpetrated against Falluja should've taught us something, like how NOT to create more hatred. But no.
*btw, triple the number of Iraqi forces were killed in that attack but we really don't care about them, do we?
* and btw deux, am I the only one who doesn't think our fighting forces are more important than the innocent human beings killed over there every day? Sorry, but I don't think Americans are more human than anyone else. It's all a fucking tragedy.
Almost as if someone was controlling the vote counting and trying to make it look innocent by not giving too much of a margin to the Repugs...
Funny how that happens, isn't it?
BTW, speaking of "more popular," remember when Nixon won in a landslide? Good times, good times...
BTW, Tuesday is the 31st anniversary of what historical event? Hint: it happened barely two years after Nixon won in a landslide...
Of course, the geniuses at the DNC have determined that no Democrat should campaign on the Iraq war, right?
Pere Ubu--funny how those extra 4000 votes showed up for Schidt in the last 20 minutes, isn't it?
Novac is a c**t
bullshit is the the least
watch Capitol Gang
and puke.
It's like telling me it's rude to notice that the sun came up this morning or that gravity exists.
jftb...but that's science
the results will be chillingly, unnervingly, tantalizingly 'close.'
the Repugs tend to win a lot of "really close" races these days, don't they?
Almost as if someone was controlling the vote counting and trying to make it look innocent by not giving too much of a margin to the Repugs...
Speaking of which, Matt Taibbi and Kevin Drum both are becoming convinced there were shenanigans in Ohio. Wow.
Good point -- if this Preznit has such piss-poor poll numbers, why is the media still fawning?
Pere Ubu
It's because virtually the entire press corps is bought and paid for. Sorry if that offends anyone, but journalism as it is celebrated in the j-schools around the country is as dead as Sanskrit. We have a business model now, combined with fairly obvious attempts to establish a class system in this country comparable to 19th century Britain. The media whores are achingly close to getting status as a form of nobility, and are not about to screw it up by bucking the corporate hierarchy.
later, folks!
After that last thread, I need a fucking drink.
JftB--and remember, science = evil.
And at this moment we're flattening some town in Iraq in revenge for the killing of the marines.
Oh but the military says they've had this in the planning for WEEKS! No way would they carry out an offensive just on the basis of some Marines getting killed! It's just buisness as normal clearing out those last few persistent pockets of dead-enders and foreign fighters. Why they boys'll be home for Christmas, you can bet on it!
(wipes away tear as "God Bless The U.S.A. plays)
Toons--have a bloody with Bays seasoning.
So sad --
BTW -- there was an excellent letter from an Iraqi vet posted on Salon today
Now for my holiday run -- later Moonbats!
Vote Green instead of Dean
HD | 08.06.05 - 1:18 pm | #
Thus electing a crazy Republican.
Good strategy, asshole.
In my opinion, we need to be able to intimately link the war with the economic injustice that is occurring in this country so that it's clear to everyone. Just saying.
did you hear that now they want to downgrade some nuclear waste sites to 'incidental waste?'
Repackage it, but it's the same old same old.
That will solve the problem of radiation contamination immediately. Wow!
Toonscribe,
If Toby is ignored, he disappears within ten or fifteen minutes. When we feed him, he hangs around forever and stinks up entire threads. He's like a black hole absorbing light.
Ah, Newsweek, the same commie rag that endangered our troops by publishing the famous koran flushing into sewer lie.
Thersites--Chimpy says it will!
Are you going to believe your own eyes, or St. Chimpy?
OT, but he-e-e-e-ere's Emma!
(And don't miss Carlos just below...)
Speaking of which, Matt Taibbi and Kevin Drum both are becoming convinced there were shenanigans in Ohio. Wow.
3:22 - 1:34 pm
A coupla really gutless fux, Drum and Taibbi...hey didn't want to look like whining wankers when the fate of the whole fucking country was on the line?
sorry if i'm not lining up to cheer these two mental monstrosities... they're temporizing, meliorating, cowardly, snivelling mutherfockers who are now trying to regain the faith of those whose trust they both betrayed by being so relentlessly chickenshit...
fuck 'em both...gutless twerps...
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Ah, Newsweek, the same c--
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dave--beautiful cat.
When we bought this house, we did not know we were acquiring 2 cats with it, at no extra charge!
yes, but the polar bears are reproducing like rabbits. Where does the right wing come up with these hacks? (nyt ed.)
In my opinion, we need to be able to intimately link the war with the economic injustice that is occurring in this country so that it's clear to everyone. Just saying.
$400 billion, and we have nothing for it except the creation of a terrorist playground.
Later, batsies!
they're temporizing, meliorating, cowardly, snivelling mutherfockers
Jesus, put a sock in it.
that photo still totally creeps me out.
Can somebody explain to me how
Toby keeps getting unbanned?
I wonder if Jeb and Neal start crying when they see that picture.
Jesus, put a sock in it.
3:22 - 1:43 pm
mebbe you'd like to try, cully?
albuquerque can't be all that far...
c'mon, shitstick, try to 'put a sock in it,' if you can...you can bring your own, or try to use one of mine...
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Ah pedro, still spewing the same rubbish. The Koran flushing wasn't a lie but don't truth and reality mess up your day. Float back to lalalconland.
NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
not THE photo
If Toby is ignored, he disappears within ten or fifteen minutes. When we feed him, he hangs around forever and stinks up entire threads. He's like a black hole absorbing light.
Hecate
Who's we?
How many times will something like this be said?
Face it, many here LOVE the trolls.
They get off, thinking they are so smart as (they think) they 'spank thier ass'
And THEY are why the trolls are here.
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Muslim party condemns Blair's ban
A Muslim political party has reacted angrily to Prime Minister Tony Blair's calls for it to be banned.
Hizb ut-Tahrir said his decision on Friday was a move designed to curb legal Islamic political debate.
Party spokesman Dr Imran Waheed denounced the 7 July London bombings and said the party was committed to peaceful political campaigning.
they're temporizing, meliorating, cowardly, snivelling mutherfockers who are now trying to regain the faith of those whose trust they both betrayed by being so relentlessly chickenshit...
fuck 'em both...gutless twerps...
Geez, WGG, don't hold back!
I somehow get the impression you're less than impressed by their go-along-to-get-along political pandering. Why, as Todd Gitlin has shown us, we on the Left have to kowtow to power now, in order to prove our loyalty to America! We can't POSSIBLY criticize while we're at war...
Tuesday is the 31st anniversary of what historical event? Hint: it happened barely two years after Nixon won in a landslide...
Funny how its bad form to roll out new products in August, yet there seems to be quite a large number of unfortunate anniverseries and happy birthdays in said month.
"There are some who feel like that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is bring them on," Bush said. "We've got the force necessary to deal with the security situation."
George W. Bush
07/02/03
$400 billion, and we have nothing for it except the creation of a terrorist playground.
Combine that with the annual Defense Department budget.
Then in an Ayn Rand way show the dollar amount spent by bin Laden and the non bin Laden Iraqi insurgents.
Conclusion:
We need to throw more money at it in order to win. Perhaps purchase mercenaries.
Rome?
Many of the trolls seem to have left. After all it's Saturday and they have to do really important stuff like hang around the mall and make burping sounds at the women.
Sallyh -- Thanks for the Bloody. I'll down that one and then go for something more substantial from my private stock -- maybe a double G&T.
Hecate -- I usually try to stay out of the GOAT (Global Offensive Against Trolls), but.... Well, words fail me here. Their claim to support the troops by wanting to keep more of them in harm's way while they stay safe at home in mom's basement or pursuing other options with the College Young Republicans angers me almost beyond the ability to reason.
War -- death and destruction -- is not some fucking silly game and Iraq is not some big sandy X-Box where you get to push the reset button and make all the troops and Iraqis alive again.
$400 billion, and we have nothing for it except the creation of a terrorist playground.
Naa, we gots losts a dead boys and girls and a presnit that could care less... But don't tell anyone, it's a secret.
Conclusion:
We need to throw more money at it in order to win. Perhaps purchase
mercenaries.
I'm telling you -- Hessians!
HD, you REALLY need to change your profile picture at desperatesingles.com.
Just saying...
Iraq is not some big sandy X-Box where you get to push the reset button
problem is, nobody seems able to explain this to Bush.
"just 40 percent say the U.S. is making progress there."
Who are these people?
I'm telling you -- Hessians!
"I'm a Hessian... without no agression!"
When we bought this house, we did not know we were acquiring 2 cats with it, at no extra charge!
Yeah, we got three - Emma, Annie, and Sadie.
Four, if you count Fiona, who just "showed up" one night!
Actually, the whole neighborhood's full of cats. There was an old man who lived in the house next door and accumulated 20-30 cats that he never fixed because it wouldn't be "natural." When he sold the house and moved to a senior citizens' complex, he left all the cats! The people that bought his house, along with our other neighbor, hooked up with a woman nearby who was a veterinary nurse to trap them all, get them fixed, and adopt them out. They let some stay, because an empty territory is a cat vacuum. So now there's probably 10-12 cats who get fed next door (and other places) and lie around all day sleeping on porches and lawns.
"just 40 percent say the U.S. is making progress there."
Who are these people?
sm | Email | 08.06.05 - 1:52 pm | #
The irredeemably stupid?
"just 40 percent say the U.S. is making progress there."
I have to wonder what their interpretation of " progress " is? Painting schools is progress?
I have to wonder what their interpretation of " progress " is?
Well, as I like to point out, given that we have no idea what the "mission" there is or what "completing the mission" would entail, it seems these people are just pulling information out of their asses about "progress" in Iraq.
One wonders if Chimpy is permitted to see these polls? He's already admitted that he can't read. What if his henchmen are feeding him false information? Certainly, if he knew the truth, he wouldn't be wasting his time on the brush ranch.
OT, but a note to Jenny: thanks for the compliment! If only you were the art director of a magazine publisher...!
I wonder if Jeb and Neal start crying when they see that picture.
bill
Neil cries because he got VD. And Jeb cries because he only gets to be Preznit of Florida.
Certainly, if he knew the truth, he wouldn't be wasting his time on the brush ranch.
that requires a certain minimal level of humanity, maturity and decency I'm not willing to assume he has.
"My answer is bring them on."
Since the end of May, more than 65 percent of U.S. military deaths in Iraq have resulted from insurgent bombings, compared to nearly 23 percent in conventional combat and 12 percent in accidents, according to figures complied by The Associated Press.
In recent weeks, rebel bombs have been responsible for 70 percent to 80 percent of American soldiers killed or wounded, command spokesman Lt. Col. Steven Boylan said this week.
Of the 54 American troops who died in Iraq in July, 42 were killed either by roadside bombs, car bombs or in one case a land mine. So far this month, 29 soldiers and Marines have died - all but nine from bombs.
I have to wonder what their interpretation of " progress " is? Painting schools is progress?
©smalfish
When my 23-year old lazy-ass nephew got off his butt and finally got a job at Target, my sister thought that was "progress".
So, I don't think most Americans have a very high standard for what "progress" is.
There have been several news stories that Bush refuses to hear anything that is negative in briefings. It's no wonder his businesses all went under.
I have to wonder what their interpretation of " progress " is? Painting schools is progress?
©smalfish
There were stories about how shoddy the construction on those proverbial schools actually was. Apparently KBR left them with open sewage, crumbling plaster, etc. BUT, they have a fresh, cheery coat of paint on the outside, so THAT'S what the Repukes think ought to be a weekly front-pager in every newspaper.
``That's the insurgent strategy, this pervasive insecurity. You can't fight against an unseen enemy,'' said RAND Corp. counterinsurgency expert Bruce Hoffman.
You're quire the expert, aren't you.
D'oh.
It's Fucking fire season again. In the last 2 days all of the hot spots have blown up into full blown conflagarations. The sky looks like the air from LA has gone on vacation and come up here. Yuch, I think it may even be worse then Los Angeles Air. The partially burnt terpenes make your eyes burn and itch.
Some picts of one of the smaller ones before the air went murky,
http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne...31579107&
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http://photos22.flickr.com/
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I've heard predictions that if global warming is for real, large scale forest fires will be a yearly occurrence in most of the west.
To me, it seems that way already.
As for the commentary about feeding the trolls, I know I'm often guilty, but after the asshole snarked about toonscribe's relative who was killed in Iraq, it was hard to be silent. If we'd been in a bar, I'd have handed toon' a pool cue and a broken bottle, then held the troll down for him.
Ah, Newsweek, the same commie rag that endangered our troops by publishing the famous koran flushing into sewer lie.
pedro™
Y'know, I've always been curious about this... "endangered our troops"... hmmm...
Doesn't Newsweek have a database of their paid subscribers?
What are the zipcodes for Baghdad and Falujah?
Honest to God, I really didn't know Newsweek had that much circulation among the "insurgents". Oh well. I guess you need something to do, to pass the time while you're waiting to board that bus and blow it up.
looks like chimpy has spent his political capital and then some. His creditors are now coming for payment.
May he be put in debtors prison for the rest of his life.
And burn in hell after.
``That's the insurgent strategy, this pervasive insecurity. You can't fight against an unseen enemy,'' said RAND Corp. counterinsurgency expert Bruce Hoffman.
You're quire the expert, aren't you.
D'oh.
pie
If I could just get somebody to pay me lots of money to state the obvious....
When my 23-year old lazy-ass nephew got off his butt and finally got a job at Target, my sister thought that was "progress".
Hey, if someone is a habitual slacker, and they actually go and get a job, I do call that "progress". But like someone up thread was ssaying, there is no missioin so how can there be progress?
If I was a soldier over there, I would woder what the hell I was doingf. There is no set goal, just some mystical phrase of Democratisation. Just WTF is that?
Ah, Newsweek, the same commie rag that endangered our troops by publishing the famous koran flushing into sewer lie.
whereas we all know that if they'd reported the truth - that the koran had merely been urinated on - there would have been no american casualties.
I know this is OT, but I need help.
The House version of the bankruptcy bill (HR 685) has or has not been voted on?
I know it passed the Senate.
If I could just get somebody to pay me lots of money to state the obvious....
Rmj, Wandering Aengus
I want to be one of those traffic consultants who does a five-year, multimillion dollar study and concludes that heavy traffic wastes people's time and makes them upset.
Former minister Robin Cook dies
Former Cabinet minister Robin Cook has died after he collapsed while out hill walking, police have said.
It is believed that he was taken ill near the summit of Ben Stack, near an area known as Laxford Bridge in north-west Scotland.
Mr Cook, 59, was flown by helicopter to Raigmore Hospital in Inverness, and is understood to have received 40 minutes of resuscitation en route.
looks like chimpy has spent his political capital and then some. His creditors are now coming for payment.
He's over his credit limit. Way over. The American people have pulled his card to cut it up.
If I could just get somebody to pay me lots of money to state the obvious....
Rmj, Wandering Aengus
I want to be one of those traffic consultants who does a five-year, multimillion dollar study and concludes that heavy traffic wastes people's time and makes them upset.
Doc | Email | 08.06.05 - 2:07 pm | #
I want one of those jobs, too. I'd like the one that pays the multimillions to show that people get fat by eating lots of good food. Food.. Mmmmmm.
Robin Cook? Why does this make me suspicious?
I mean to add...
I could give up blogging, where I state the obvious for free!
Is this a great country, or what?
Ah, Newsweek, the same commie rag that endangered our troops by publishing
the famous koran flushing into sewer lie.
pedro™
IIRC, the "Newsweek story got
Americans killed" bullshit was
thoroughly debunked.
And at this moment we're flattening some town in Iraq in revenge for the killing of the marines.
you mean operation blitzkrieg?
That's the insurgent strategy, this pervasive insecurity. You can't fight against an unseen enemy,'' said RAND Corp. counterinsurgency expert Bruce Hoffman.
operation blitzkrieg puts to bed the fantasy that the "insurgency" is the last throes of a few malcontent ex-baathists and a handful of foreign fighters. because, of course, how would massive air attacks against whole towns be effective in that kind of war?
Damn. Haloscan just ate my comments. They were in general agreement with the good words of RMJ regarding a job as an "expert."
Doc -- Thanks for the kind thoughts -- and the pool cue and the broken bottle. I'm not usually a violent person, but under the right circumstances, I fear I have that in me.
I want one of those jobs, too. I'd like the one that pays the multimillions to show that people get fat by eating lots of good food. Food.. Mmmmmm.
oldwhitelady
I'll bet there are jobs out there assessing the long-term effects of drinking single-malt scotch and having lots of sex . . . Academia is magnificent.
I want to be one of those traffic consultants who does a five-year, multimillion dollar study and concludes that heavy traffic wastes people's time and makes them upset.
Doc | Email | 08.06.05 - 2:07 pm | #
And it's caused by too many cars on the road. And too many roads, because more roadway just leads to more traffic.
Yeah. That's the job for me. Consulting. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, consult.
Or something.
Taking a break....
Afternoon, all!
Former Cabinet minister Robin Cook has died after he collapsed while out hill walking, police have said.
gulp. that sounds familiar.
guess they don't have so many small planes in the UK as they do here....
Former minister Robin Cook dies
Moonbootica, Felis catus
Damn! That's not a good thing.
Yeah. That's the job for me. Consulting. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, consult.
How about those who teach people how to be consultants?
"Good point -- if this Preznit has such piss-poor poll numbers, why is the media still fawning?" --
Pere Ubu
As well as what Doc said, also remember that the giants such as NewsCorp have their monopolies protected by the Republicans. The public hearings showing overwhelming support for limiting the media conglomerates were not enough to stop DeLay and Hastert (and the WH) from overriding the people's will and allowing the increasing concentration of media power (and profits) into fewer hands.
Editors still answer to corporate bosses, and reporters still answer to editors.
Moonbootica, Felis catus, I had just read that he had collapsed and was taken to a hospital.
Ugh.
Yeah. That's the job for me. Consulting. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, consult.
hey, i represent that remark. the truth is, consulting pays a hell of a lot more than teaching, and requires having had less teaching than doing does.
untangle THAT one, if you dare!
I wish someone would pay me to say that the reason teenagers can't learn math is because they don't know the product of 7x8 without a scientific calculator. And it appears that No Lie Left Untold isn't making things any better.
I'll bet there are jobs out there assessing the long-term effects of drinking single-malt scotch and having lots of sex .
i volunteer to be assessed. as lnog as i am not in the control group.
And Darth Cheney is allowed to continue to wreak havoc.
Does Condi ever bunk down at the ranch? Suppose, some dark night, Chimpy mistakes her lump for Laura's lump?
OT: 19 killed in Sicily plane crash
A Tunisian passenger plane has crash landed into the sea off the Sicilian coast killing 19 people, a Palermo prosecutor said tonight. Twenty people survived, he said.
"Unfortunately the toll has gone up," Palermo prosecutor Piero Grasso told the Associated Press by telephone.
"There are 19 dead, and 20 survivors," with apparently all 39 aboard accounted for, he said after heading to Palermo's port, where the survivors were being taken off rescue boats.
good I guess;
Nuclear neighbours reach key deal
India and Pakistan have agreed to give each other advance notice of future nuclear missile tests, the two countries have announced.
The neighbours also said they would set up an emergency nuclear hotline between their foreign ministries.
The statement came after two day of talks aimed at reducing the risk of a nuclear war between the two neighbours.
The discussions, in the Indian capital Delhi, were the third of their kind since a peace process began last year.
"The two sides reached an understanding on the proposed agreement on pre-notification of flight testing of ballistic missiles," the statement said.
It said the hotline "to prevent misunderstandings and reduce risks relevant to nuclear issues" would be established in September 2005.
During nearly six decades of tensions, the two rivals have fought three wars.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south...sia/
4747631.stm
Does Condi ever bunk down at the ranch? Suppose, some dark night, Chimpy mistakes her lump for Laura's lump?
i could say the same thing about jeff gannon.
oh, i just did.
Haven't seen Atrios AKA "Perfesser of Ekonomiks" commenting much on job growth lately.
Remember the election, and the constant reminders of..."no positive job growth, etc.," those were the days...
Bush says tax cuts responsible for growing economy
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/n...0&w=RTR&
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"CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - As Americans question his Iraq policy, President Bush crowed about the strength of the U.S. economy on Saturday and credited his hotly debated tax cuts for the growth.
Bush was upbeat in his weekly radio address a day after the Labor Department reported the U.S. economy added 207,000 jobs last month, a stronger-than-expected gain.
"Recent economic reports show that our economy is growing faster than any other major industrialized nation," he said from his ranch in central Texas.
. . .
In his radio address, Bush renewed his call for making permanent the tax cuts he pushed through Congress in his first term. Democrats believe the tax cuts have done little more than drain the U.S. budget and even some Republicans doubt the wisdom of extending them.
"The tax relief stimulated economic vitality and growth and it has helped increase revenues to the Treasury," Bush said, adding later, "We need to make the tax relief permanent."
Bush spoke at the end of the first week of his 33-day working vacation. He has a busy week ahead of him.
On Monday, he goes to New Mexico to sign a $14.5 billion energy bill and on Wednesday he visits Illinois to put his signature to a $286 billion highway bill.
At the ranch on Tuesday, he will meet his economic team and on Thursday will play host to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld."
America, Fuck Yeah!
Afternoon moonbats. How is everyone on this fine saturday.
A word to the wise.
Becareful of what you approve. Because you must have A P-P on Rove.
Go insurgency - you are all that stands between humanity and the former America and this monstrous PNAC death machine.
I am sorry troops. Cheney killed you for cynical bullshit the minute the 2k election was stolen.
President Bush crowed about the strength of the U.S. economy on Saturday and credited his hotly debated tax cuts for the growth.
if bush says so, it must be troooo!
Bush was upbeat in his weekly radio address a day after the Labor Department reported the U.S. economy added 207,000 jobs last month, a stronger-than-expected gain
so step right up and get YOUR non-union, minimum wage job with no benes!
" Go insurgency - you are all that stands between humanity and the former America and this monstrous PNAC death machine.
I am sorry troops. Cheney killed you for cynical bullshit the minute the 2k election was stolen.
Sharkbabe | Email | 08.06.05 - 2:23 pm | # "
Jesus Christ...
You can't be serious?
:|
completetly OT and probably apocryphal, but funny nonetheless (from an email being passed around by some friends):
REVENGE ON TELEMARKETERS
The phone rang as I was setting down to my anticipated evening meal, and as I answered it I was greeted with " is this William Wagenhoss" not sounding anything like my name, so I said who is calling?
The telemarketer said he was with The Rubber band Powered Freezer company or something like that and then I asked him if he knew William personaly and why was he calling this number.
I then said off to the side, "get really good pictures of the body and all the blood" then turned back to the phone and advised the caller that he had entered a murder scene and must stay on the line because we had already traced this call and he would be receiving a summons to appear in the local courthouse to testify in this murder case.
I then questioned the caller at great length as to his name,
address, phone number at home, at work, who he worked for, how
he knew the dead guy and could he prove where he had been about
one hour before he made this call.
The telemarketer was getting very concerned and his answers were given in a shakey voice. I then told him we had located his position at his work place and the police were entering the building to take him into custody, at that point I heard the phone fall and the scurrying of his running away.
My wife asked me as I returned to our table why I had tears streaming down my face and so help me, I couldn't tell
her for about fifteen minutes.
My meal was cold, but after what I had pulled, very enjoyable.
Sharkbabe--no, they decided that long before the 2000 election. Clinton refused to meet with the PNAC signatories in 1998, and we all paid for it.
I take it sharkbabe says what all of you feel, but are too afraid to say.
Fucking disgusting.
Bush says tax cuts responsible for growing economy
Connect the dots for us ether and show us instances of where the money from a tax cut produced jobs and growth.
And no fair using the defense sector, but you can use the automotive sector as an example if you wish.
Once more...
Realize the cancer within your party...
" Go insurgency - you are all that stands between humanity and the former America and this monstrous PNAC death machine.
I am sorry troops. Cheney killed you for cynical bullshit the minute the 2k election was stolen.
Sharkbabe | Email | 08.06.05 - 2:23 pm | # "
Go insurgency - you are all that stands between humanity and the former America and this monstrous PNAC death machine.
there is no insurgency (see my earlier post).
you don't airstrike cities to fight an insurgency. you do so to conquer a nation.
majors blunders were made in the early stages of the US occupation of which they are paying dearly now.
Neocons are incomptent wankers who could not organised a piss up in a bewery!
I've said it time and time again but Iraq is what happen when you entrust it to children.
"go insurgency"
- Eschaton reader.
Why do the trolls get excited about one month of job growth that doesn't even exceed the average job growth over 8 years of the clinton presidency?
weird.
"I am sorry troops. Cheney killed you for cynical bullshit the minute the 2k election was stolen."
truth.
A day or two ago I saw a story (CNN.com?) quoting all the falling Dear Leader figures, which then promptly added that most Americans still consider him a strong and competent leader or some such blah blah blah blah.
How fucked up/emasculated must you be to take logically opposing positions in two consecutive sentences?
So where were you when you heard the news of Nixon's resignation? I was crammed in the backseat of a too small car driving non-stop from the midwest to the Rockies--just as we came to the Tetons, hidden by a thunderstorm, the clouds lifted, giving us a perfect view of that range as the sun set, at the very moment we listened on the radio to Nixon's resignation!
I am looking forward to a similar moment with this administration.
Today in History
August 6: Independence Day in Bolivia (1825) and Jamaica (1962)
1806 - The Holy Roman Empire was dissolved when Francis II, the last Holy Roman Emperor, was forced to abdicate.
1890 - William Kemmler became the first person to be executed in an electric chair.
1945 - World War II: Enola Gay, a B-29 Superfortress of the U.S. Army Air Force, dropped an atomic bomb named Little Boy on Hiroshima, Japan, killing an estimated 80,000 people instantly.
1991 - Tim Berners-Lee released files describing his idea for a "World Wide Web."
2001 - U.S. President George W. Bush received a daily briefing warning of an imminent attack by Osama bin Laden.
Aww poor ether is actuall heartbroken that someone said something that he disagrees with.
Too bad asshole. You deserve a special place that has nothing but differing opinions than what you, yourself hold.
I hope you get stuck in such a place.
Iraq is a clusterfuck of a quagmire all down to sheer fucking incomptence.
Rummy and his cronies ignored the adive of his generals and in his deluded mind thought he could OCCUPY a country with a tiny force.
Of course being a stupind wanker he did not realise to properly occupy a country you NEED a lot of troops otherwise your fucked.
Fucking disgusting.
not quite as disgusting as a lying sack of shit getting us into a no-win war of agression in a essentially defenseless Arab country, thereby giving al-Qaeda ready-made propaganda for the next decade or so.
This jobs crap. God what bullshit. Tell me what kind of jobs and what sector and what the average salary and any benefits. It is so weird to see capitalism destroying itself with its bought media rah-rahing. Even NPR (I know)- they fucking parrot this bullshit the same as Fux News.
Amy Goodman is the future of the world. I hope she doesn't fly on small planes.
Dirk,
You did it, man. You fucked over a minimum wage slave. Cyber high five, dude. What do you say we go down to the 7-11 tonight and make fun of the poor slob behind the counter? OOOWWWWWWWOOOOOO!!!!!!
Atrios--by your own calculations, what is your estimated rate of real unemployment in this country?
NTodd and I worked on this as a casual problem, and came up with around 8.5%, but we're not economists.
Amy Goodman is the future of the world.
God help us.
dirk gently:
Yawn.
The simple fact that Shiites support the drafting of the constitution, hold the majority of power within the government, and constitute the largest segment of the population of Iraq, makes your argument flat-out retarded.
Do you understand the dynamics of the Iraqi population at all?
Or do you just like making drooling statements equatable to gurgled-Schiavo-grunts?
Atrios,
B-b-b-b-b-but, Clinton got a BLOW JOB!!!!!1111!!11! Don't you realize how he disgraced America!?!?!?!?
There is so little for them to get excited about duing the Bush reign, that even one week of job growth is something important to them.
Atrios:
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Dirk,
You did it, man. You fucked over a minimum wage slave.
hmmm. i have no idea what you mean. perhaps it is becasue you had no idea what i meant? go back and read it again, and get back to me when you understand.
weird.
They're grabbing any possible hint of good news, even though it's bullshit.
ether... Your not clapping loud enough.
I demand you clap louder.
DO it now, or the terrorists win.
Here's what I don't get. The polls show that a majority of Americans don't approve of the way Bush is handling the war, a majority don't approve of the way he is handling the presidency, a majority believe he lied to get us into this war.
Why don't the damned Democrats in Congress show some spine now while he's on the ropes?
Every time I see that picture of that drunk I get this funny feeling in the pit of my stomach. The same kind you get when you stumble across a piss-soaked drunk lying passed out on your lawn.
I understand Neewsweek's poll results, but it begs a question.
When Newsweek itself runs such discredited stories as the koran flushing non-incident, can we rely on the magazine in GENERAL to present balanced news?
Then, when the magazine takes a poll of it's readers, should we not EXPECT the poll results to reflect the magazine's storytelling?
www.liberallyspeaking.blogs.com
Iraq is an artifical country anyway.
invented by Britain after the 1916 Syke-Picot agreement which split what was left of the Ottoman Empire between France and Britain.
France developed republics while Britain developed constutional monarchies.
Iraq was simply imperial lines drawn in the sand.
and if say the Kurds got a bit uppity we just gassed them.
Diane--happy birthday, and here's a lovely German chocolate cake for you!
Aww poor ether is actuall heartbroken that someone said something that he disagrees with.
Too bad asshole. You deserve a special place that has nothing but differing opinions than what you, yourself hold.
I hope you get stuck in such a place.
©smalfish | Email | Homepage | 08.06.05 - 2:29 pm | #
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Actually, cock-master, i am upset becase I have a buddy serving in Iraq right now, a sister that's a Marine in Japan, and a cousin on his way.
For some cunt bitch to say "go insurgency" is a direct endorsement of the killing of my family.
Sharkbabe:
Fuck you, you delusional, self-loathing, moonbat.
ether... Your not clapping loud enough.
I demand you clap louder.
I had the clap.
Then I went to the doctor's and got a shot.
No more clap!
Why don't the damned Democrats in Congress show some spine now while he's on the ropes?
well, for one, they never did find who sent that anthrax to Daschle...
Sorry all, my comment was satire- sorry again, it wasn't funny, noy meant to be a troll.
Slinks back to being a lurker...
The simple fact that Shiites support the drafting of the constitution, hold the majority of power within the government, and constitute the largest segment of the population of Iraq, makes your argument flat-out retarded.
only one question: what the fuck are you talking about, you moron?
oh, i guess you also believe that since the "red states" hold tha majority of power in our country, you should be napalming san francisco.
try to understand: you cannot claim to be fighting an insurgency to protect the population and simultaneouslyfirebombing cities. well, you can claim it, but to do so you must be either deliberately lying or a fucking idiot.
ether looks ripe for Operation Yellow Elephant 
Why don't the damned Democrats in Congress show some spine now while he's on the ropes?
Democrats need to reach across the aisle to our Republican friends and work in a bipartisan manner to help pass President Bush's agenda.
i am upset becase I have a buddy serving in Iraq right now
perhaps you should rather direct your anger at the guy in the White House who's putting your freind in harm's way for no good reason?
Damn haloscan...
What exactly is "balanced news"?
ether--let me say this: I hope that no harm will befall any of your friends and relatives who are serving.
They would have been far better off without Bush's war of choice.
am upset becase I have a buddy serving in Iraq right now
You should join him, just to show him how manly you are.
Actually, cock-master, i am upset becase I have a buddy serving in Iraq right now, a sister that's a Marine in Japan, and a cousin on his way.
Why aren't you in Iraq?
It's okay to be scared. You can talk about your feelings. You're in a safe place here.
Democrats need to reach across the aisle to our Republican friends and work in a bipartisan manner to help pass President Bush's agenda.
Sen. Joe Lieberman |
In the words of steve simels,
blow me, Jomentum.
The Sykes-Picot Agreement : 1916
That France and great Britain are prepared to recognize and protect an independent Arab states or a confederation of Arab states (a) and (b) marked on the annexed map, under the suzerainty of an Arab chief. That in area (a) France, and in area (b) great Britain, shall have priority of right of enterprise and local loans. That in area (a) France, and in area (b) great Britain, shall alone supply advisers or foreign functionaries at the request of the Arab state or confederation of Arab states.
history repeats itself *sigh*
For some cunt bitch to say "go insurgency" is a direct endorsement of the killing of my family.
Bring 'em on.
ether
I have been looking for a gullible.. er patriotic soul such as yourself to implement a new plan the boys at the AEI have worked out.
Suicide bombers have had such devasting success, that we have decided to set up our own squad. We feel you would make a perfect candidate.
Contact your local military recruiter right now and we will increase the bounty to TWENTY-ONE virgins.
Your country awaits you and appreciates your upcoming sacrifice.
gotta go now. just one last comment - anyone still supporting this murderous fiasco that bush and co have created should be ashamed of themselves.
For some ... to say "go insurgency" is a direct endorsement of the killing of my family.
You seem to have missed my earlier post, ether:
"There are some who feel like that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is bring them on," Bush said. "We've got the force necessary to deal with the security situation."
Where is your outrage here? Please, excuse your way out of this one.
Diane--happy birthday, and here's a lovely German chocolate cake for you!
Sallyh
Thanks, Sallyh!
I believe I'll have a slice right now as a reward for walking two miles today without raising any blips on the Holter monitor.
I'm looking forward to the coming year for all sorts of reasons, not the least of which will be helping out in the 2006 elections.
fucking coward, ether
Robin Cook, the UK foreign secretary who resigned over the war in Iraq, is dead.
America has just replaced Britian and France as the imperial power in the region.
and making the same blunders as well!
ether--let me say this: I hope that no harm will befall any of your friends and relatives who are serving.
If his friend is naything like ether, I say FUCK THAT. He bought his ticket by voting for the asshole in charge of the military, let him pay the freeking price. If he is against the war, then let him find a graceful and healthy exit from the military.
So 18% say Rove isn't guilty of a serious offense. That's bad, because don't the wingers usually seem to have a lock on 20%?
Pedro,
Don't worry bro, lots of us have burned our fingers on the satire stove in these threads. It's a nest of vipers here sometimes. Satire should only be left to the professionals like Merkin and David Patterson 
. I didn't think you were a troll because you did go suitably over the top with the pinko, commie stuff.
For some cunt bitch to say "go insurgency" is a direct endorsement of the killing of my family.
Bring 'em on.
George W. Bush
You tell 'em, honey. You're just like 'ol "Blood and Guts":
Your guts, their blood.
PS: Should I bring the riding crop to the ranch?
For some cunt bitch to say "go insurgency" is a direct endorsement of the killing of my family.
sending them over there for a war based on lies is actually doing it.
come - come to the light side!
try to understand: you cannot claim to be fighting an insurgency to protect the population and simultaneouslyfirebombing cities. well, you can claim it, but to do so you must be either deliberately lying or a fucking idiot.
dirk gently | Email | 08.06.05 - 2:35 pm | #
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Again simpleton... Iraq's population consists of different religous sects, ethinic groups, and nationalities. Although we are engaging Islamists in rural encampments through the use of air-strikes and full on offensive actions, we are not "simultaneouslyfirebombing cities." I know your goal is to portray our troops as cold-blooded killers, so I won't question your motives. But, do you really belive anyone with any sense will buy the idea we are blowing up cities at random.
You do know the highest Shiite cleric in Iraq has condemned the insurgency you deny exists because of the muderous tactics they employ right?
Maybe you can go to Iraq and tell the Shi'a there how the insurgency doesn't exist.
Questin for Moon bootie: Is Robin Cook associated with uncovering Downing Street Memo type issues so that we should be suspicious?
For some cunt bitch to say "go insurgency" is a direct endorsement of the killing of my family.
sending them over there for a war based on lies is actually doing it.
and your support of those lies is helping. seriously, dude. think about it.
America, Fuck Yeah!
ether | Email | 08.06.05 - 2:21 pm | #
ether ... How much have your wages risen, percentage-wise, in the last five years?
Bush, Blair, Saddam.
The triangle of death.
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Although we are engaging Islamists in rural encampments through the use of air-strikes and full on offensive actions, we are not "simultaneouslyfirebombing cities."
Ceasless incompetance is never going to go over well with the electorate. You rebublicans are going the way of the dodo bird.
ether,
god, you are thick. not encampments, cities. there is film. encampments do not have permanent buildings.
of course iraq has multiple factions and religions. duh. but civil war is not an insurgency either - unless you are claiming only shia's are actually iraqis?
look, ask your history teacher next month when you go back to jr high. i'm sure ms crabaple can straighten you out.
Bad Art ~ not that I know of.
But he was one of the sharpest critics as a backbencher on British invovlment in Iraq.
He regined his original post in protest of Blair's decision to go to war.
I still wouldn't want harm to befall ether's relatives and friends. I hate people getting hurt or killed. It's the liberal in me.
and your support of those lies is helping. seriously, dude. think about it.
How much does he care for his friends and relatives?
Iraq is a country that should not of existed in the first place.
Pie, Smalfish etc...
My buddy hardly supports Rummy or the war, he's a Marine sniper who had been on 2 tours, hit with an IED and seen good buddies blown-up and shot dead.
Regardless of the politics, I can't imagine any of you thinking a comment like "go insurgency" can be spewed without it being called what it is...
Traitorous.
Fuck you, Sharkcunt.
I know your goal is to portray our troops as cold-blooded killers
the "troops" don't make those decisions. there is a thing called chain of command.
Although we are engaging Islamists in rural encampments through the use of air-strikes and full on offensive actions,
read: assaulting towns and destroying houses, alienating the Iraqi population and creating further resistance (and could that phrase sould any more Pentagon-wankerish? Seriously -- "engaging Islamists in rural emcampments"?)
we are not "simultaneouslyfirebombing cities."
One word: Falluja.
Although we are engaging Islamists in rural encampments through the use of air-strikes and full on offensive actions,
read: assaulting towns and destroying houses, alienating the Iraqi population and creating further resistance (and could that phrase sould any more Pentagon-wankerish? Seriously -- "engaging Islamists in rural emcampments"?)
we are not "simultaneouslyfirebombing cities."
One word: Falluja.
Go ahead, Jeff--in actual dollars, our wages have declined ~25 percent. In adjusting for inflation, about ~33 percent.
'...and lest we forget who was first to use poison gas against Kurds in Iraq: "I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against uncivilised tribes." (Winston Churchill, 1919, in a memo as colonial secretary)'
Britain was gassing the Kurds in 1919 long before Saddam got a look in, how we forget history!
dirk gently:
Civil war?
Instigated by a Jordanian terrorist?
Do you know what the definition of a "civil war" is?
On Monday, he goes to New Mexico to sign a $14.5 billion energy bill and on Wednesday he visits Illinois to put his signature to a $286 billion highway bill.
At the ranch on Tuesday, he will meet his economic team and on Thursday will play host to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld."
America, Fuck Yeah!
ether
The energy bill includes $2 Billion in subsidies (welfare) for the oil companies, already choking on windfall profits.
America, Fuck YOU!!
I still wouldn't want harm to befall ether's relatives and friends. I hate people getting hurt or killed. It's the liberal in me.
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 08.06.05 - 2:44 pm | #
i'm with you, sallyh. that's the same problem i have w/ operation elephant (except as a shame tactic). i want less troops there, not more.
Regardless of the politics, I can't imagine any of you thinking a comment like "go insurgency" can be spewed without it being called what it is...
That is, in essence, what Bush was saying with the *I dare you* attachment.
Don't you see? Don't you understand how many in the military were furious when they heard he's said that?!!!
It was over two years ago! We're losing over there.
LOSING!!!!!
Dirk Gently understands the definition of civil war--he's reality based that way.
Oh, Haloscan, fuck you and your Slice.
sorry about the double post... never can tell when Haloscan will let the "reload" button re-post. Somebody should chop down the tree the elves who wrote this POS software live in.
My buddy hardly supports Rummy or the war, he's a Marine sniper who had been on 2 tours, hit with an IED and seen good buddies blown-up and shot dead.
Bring 'em on.
America has not got the manpower to occupy a country like Iraq.
their force is too small for such a big country and is in my opinion inefficient.
Do you know what the definition of a "civil war" is?
gorsh, no! why don't you explain it to us, and then explain how what you've already said about iraq is any different.
should be good for a laugh.
Traitorous.
Like the presidents right hand man?
Like his willing acomplish Bob Novacula?
Lilke the author of the faked Niger documents?
Like Denny Hastert, taking political contributions from foreign nationals?
Like Junior missing out on his complete trem of enlistment?
Like those who are involved in the AIPAC scandal?
I would say there are many more trators in this adminstration, that we don't even know about yet. And you have the gumption to call me traitorous.
Lilke Nike says...Get Real.
One word: Falluja.
Pere Ubu "
Again, Yawn.
Show me the firebombs...
Provide a link...
I recall an invasion, a higly politicized one at that, that included a window of opportunity for women and children to escape.
But then again, considering the support for the insurgency here, I could see how your heart would ache over the destruction of your Islamist "minutemen."
hey, ether, we could use a little help over here.
Sorry, Dirk, already blew your cover
We have no strategy for winning this war, and we've reached a point where any palatable options have long since ceased to exist.
We have to get out of there.
US Dependent on Saudi Arabia
Summit on Constitution Postponed/ Sistani accepts Federalism in Principle
My buddy hardly supports Rummy or the war, he's a Marine sniper who had been on 2 tours, hit with an IED and seen good buddies blown-up and shot dead.
Do you honestly think your president gives a shit about your buddy or his dead friends? He hasn't been to a single funeral for a single soldier since the war started.
Now he's on a five week vacation drinking margaritas and eating steaks. When was the last time any of us, including you, got a five week vacation?
dirk gently:
Ok you claim there is no insurgency, you claim there is a "civil war."
Please define to me the parties involved in this "civil war."
I can easily point to Zarqawi and former Baathists as the roots of an "insurgency," let's see who you label as party to your "civil war."
But then again, considering the support for the insurgency here, I could see how your heart would ache over the destruction of your Islamist "minutemen."
One stupid comment by one hot head out of 200 comments does not equal support for the insurgency.
dirk gently:
Civil war?
Instigated by a Jordanian terrorist?
Do you know what the definition of a "civil war" is?
ether
Is this implication that the Iraq "insurgency" is all the fault of one person, serious?
This isn't a movie, ya know.
I recall an invasion, a higly politicized one at that, that included a window of opportunity for women and children to escape.
the very first act of this war was bombing a restaurant filled with innocent civilians, killing all inside and destroying houses for blocks around; no warning was given because rummy thought that saddam might be there (he wasn't).
links? no, i saw the video on cnn this morning.
I know you aren't cut out for the marines, ether, but if you click the homepage there's a fine organization which will take you
Ether, why do yo ubother?
You will not win an argument here. WHat is your point?
GO back to your hole, and tell all your Orc buddies how traitorouss we here on the left are and be gone already.
No wonder everyone is so cranky. See what Right Wing Nut House has to say about this place?
ESCHATON
Atrios AKA Duncan Black runs the site Eschaton. I’d call Mr. Black a snake in the grass but that would be insulting snakes, grass, and the sun that gives life to both of them. A true leftist lickspittle his “community” is the most vulgar, most obscenely obnoxious group of party hacks around. Black has been known to sic his minions on bloggers who displease him. A real class act.
RQ: 3.1 (5 a firm footing in reality, 1 off on another dimension.)
Oh, well, fuck this guy.
Pie:
I admit Bush's "bring em on" comment was inciteful and idiotic.
What do you think of Sharkbabe's comment that openly supported the killing of your countrymen...
Bring on the equivalence.
am upset becase I have a buddy serving in Iraq right now, a sister that's a Marine in Japan, and a cousin on his way.
For some cunt bitch to say "go insurgency" is a direct endorsement of the killing of my family.
(snip)
ether
ether
your friend and relatives are in danger because of the bad decision made by GWB when he originally decided to attack Iraq. GWB also later said 'bring it on.' That statement certainly also increased the danger to your family.
Why are you not angry at GWB?
Iraq will not stop or at least reduce 'terraism'
you WANT to do that sort out Saudi Arabia, all the money for these groups and the madrases come out of Saudi pockets.
Iraq is a red herring and is only creating problems for our future.
Jeebus christ on a pogo stick why don't wingers get THIS?
ether, buddy, come on over, I'll show you what things are like.
This isn't a movie, ya know
You mean the insurgency does'nt have it's own version of Rambo?
Lame Ducky is about to lose his brain, Traitor Rove. Won't that be fun?
Why is it now so urgent that we should take military action to disarm a military capacity that has been there for 20 years, and which we helped to create? Why is it necessary to resort to war this week, while Saddam's ambition to complete his weapons programme is blocked by the presence of UN inspectors? Only a couple of weeks ago, Hans Blix told the Security Council that the key remaining disarmament tasks could be completed within months.
I have heard it said that Iraq has had not months but 12 years in which to complete disarmament, and that our patience is exhausted. Yet it is more than 30 years since resolution 242 called on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories. We do not express the same impatience with the persistent refusal of Israel to comply.
I welcome the strong personal commitment that the prime minister has given to middle east peace, but Britain's positive role in the Middle East does not redress the strong sense of injustice throughout the Muslim world at what it sees as one rule for the allies of the US and another rule for the rest. Nor is our credibility helped by the appearance that our partners in Washington are less interested in disarmament than they are in regime change in Iraq. That explains why any evidence that inspections may be showing progress is greeted in Washington not with satisfaction but with consternation: it reduces the case for war.
What has come to trouble me most over past weeks is the suspicion that if the hanging chads in Florida had gone the other way and Al Gore had been elected, we would not now be about to commit British troops...
Resignation Speech to the House of Commons.
RIP Robin Cook
ether, really, come on over. If you do we can have a long talk about the equivalence between some anonymous poster on an internet comment board and the president of the united states.
Ok you claim there is no insurgency, you claim there is a "civil war."
Please define to me the parties involved in this "civil war."
Try the Sunnis, the Shi'ites, and the Kurds.
Hey y'all, just checked in and it doesn't take much more than a cursory glance to see the place infested with
more boring than usual trolls. Is ether a parody or just plain stupid?
Jeebus christ on a pogo stick why don't wingers get THIS?
Cause SeanBillGretaKarl have'nt made this a talking point yet.
___league:
Pie:
I admit Bush's "bring em on" comment was inciteful and idiotic.
What do you think of Sharkbabe's comment that openly supported the killing of your countrymen...
Bring on the equivalence.
ether | Email | 08.06.05 - 2:55 pm | #
I'm with Dirk. I want to hear ether's definition of a Civil War, and how it is different than what we are seein in Iraq.
ether, you fucking coward, I'm trying to help you out here.
Is ether a parody or just plain stupid?
Yes.
Ok you claim there is no insurgency, you claim there is a "civil war."
i did not claim there was no insurgency - that is semantics. insurgents = freedom fighters, attacking an invading force. nationalists. certainly there is that element. what i said was, airstrikes on cities are not used to win a battle against insurgents - that is the actions of a conquoring nation.
as to civil war, since you declined to define it for me, that is iraqis attacking iraqis for control of the government based on social, religious, political, geographical and/or economic differences. you are the one who pointed out how iraq is largely divided. the "sunni" triangle, the western area where the blitzkrieg is taking place, bagdad itself is divided in many sections and alliances.
Provide a link?
Okay!
Fire Bombs in Iraq: Napalm By Any Other Name
Bring on the equivalence.
Little Boots is the president of the country. Sharkbabe is a person that is posting on an internet message board.
This isn't a movie, ya know
You mean the insurgency does'nt have it's own version of Rambo?
©smalfish
Well, I imagine their aspirations are about as realistic as a Rambo movie.
Or maybe "Red Dawn."
But then, so are Bush's aspirations. Apparently.
Is ether a parody or just plain stupid?
Yes.
Big Daddy Mars | 08.06.05 - 2:58 pm | #
That's what I thought.
the Sunni remain bitter over the fact they lost power.
the Shia think they can boss everyone around cause they are the majority
and the Kurds want more autonomy.
a recipie for a civil war.
So ether, what's your opinion on Iran? You should look it up first on a map. It's that really big country just to the east of Iraq. Here's an interesting bit of information: the vast majority (over 90%) of the population of Iran is Shia and have strong ties to the Shia of Iraq. Now we(the GOP and it’s spokepeople in the national press) are accusing the government of Iran (fundamentalist Shia) of permitting the production and export of high explosives to support the Iraqi insurgency. Our government is so concerned with the Shiite government in Iran that most experts believe we will undertake a military operation against them within the next two years. As a troll with a typical level of troll intelligence I would be interested in hearing your take on
1. Why the Shia of Iran support the Sunni insurgency that is directed against the Shiite controlled "Democratic" government and ‘good, decent’ Shia in Iraq? and
2. What will the Shia of Iraq do when we (i.e. fascist thug Dick Cheney and his insane militaristic partner Rumsfeld) start dropping bombs on their Shiite allies and relatives in Iran?
And I think Sharkbabe was being sarcastic. Irony. It's lost on the trollish members of the population.
This isn't a movie, ya know.
Rmj, Wandering Aengus | Email | Homepage | 08.06.05 - 2:54 pm | #
or a video game. there isn't one scenario, a "good" and an "evil" side. and you don't get to see the same actors if you tune in later - the dead stay dead.
ether is a waste of time
Yo, Robert. Welcome, my friend.
Little Boots thinks in terms of Rambo, Red Dawn, and the like. The fool has the thought processes of a 14 year old.
Billy B.
Pointing out groups within Iraq isn't proof they are engaged in a "civil war."
Point out instances of aggression by Shiites and Kurds please.
If the violence is primarily orchestrated by the actions of a particular group of individuals rather than by the mutual actions of conflicting parties, it seems the conflist would best be described as an "insurgency" rather than a "civil war."
I admit Bush's "bring em on" comment was inciteful and idiotic.
What do you think of Sharkbabe's comment that openly supported the killing of your countrymen...
Bring on the equivalence.
ether
Not equivalent. Sharkbabe is a commenter on a blog. Sharkbabe does not control any troops or have any political power. Bush controls many troops and has much political power. His statements have much more influence and when he makes "idiotic" statements they are much more dangerous to our troops than anything Sharkbabe could possibly say.
For some cunt bitch to say "go insurgency" is a direct endorsement of the killing of my family.
You mean, like the phrase "Bring'em on?"
Is ether a parody or just plain stupid?
Sadly, it's hard to tell with so many dittoheads, et al out there....
America has not got the manpower or cash to even think of invading Iran.
beside what justfication can they dream up?
Iran is a soverign nation which just happened to overthrow Americas corrupt despotic puppet the Shah.
Now I know Iran is hardly perfect and its not paradise OK but compared to Saudi Arabia is a bit more open.
the conservative arab countries dislike Iran because they got rid of the monarchy and became a republic. which was seen as destablising for their own spheres of power.
Iran has a long and distiguised history plus a whole different culture from the Arab world since they are Persians.
"Regardless of the politics, I can't imagine any of you thinking a comment like "go insurgency" can be spewed without it being called what it is...
Traitorous."
BRING 'EM ON!!!
If the violence is primarily orchestrated by the actions of a particular group of individuals rather than by the mutual actions of conflicting parties, it seems the conflist would best be described as an "insurgency" rather than a "civil war."
sunnis blowing up troops with ied and engaging in firefights.
the iraqi troops, supported by US forces, bombing cities in the western (largely sunni) area.
sounds like mutual actions to me.
Pointing out groups within Iraq isn't proof they are engaged in a "civil war."
Why O why, then would the SHia be pulling their representation to the "iraqi constitution" writing assembly?
WHy are government offficials being killed at an alarming rate, if there is no civil war?
the insurgency could very well lead to civil war since the country becomes more unstable and the various groups fight for power.
"1. Why the Shia of Iran support the Sunni insurgency that is directed against the Shiite controlled "Democratic" government and ‘good, decent’ Shia in Iraq? and"
The Persian Shia in Iran support the insurgency out of ill will towards the U.S. and speculatively, from the ill will arising form the Iran/Iraq war.
"2. What will the Shia of Iraq do when we (i.e. fascist thug Dick Cheney and his insane militaristic partner Rumsfeld) start dropping bombs on their Shiite allies and relatives in Iran?"
I doubt that will happen, I would see airstrikes by Israel vis a vis Iraq in 81' as the more likely outcome.
And honestly, I just don't think Muslims can hate the Jews any more than they do already.
Bring on the equivalence.
Last I looked, sharkbabe wasn't running the country.
I repeat: we're losing over there. They don't even have to come out into the open anymore.
The unseen insurgency. My God.
It's their country and they want us out. I don't blame them, considering the horrors we've rained upon them. Lots and lots of innocents.
it seems the conflist would best be described as an "insurgency" rather than a "civil war."
I say tomatoe, you say toMAHto.
scout prime, i fear you are correct. a waste of time. sometimes, though, we have to at least attempt rehabilitation - that's how bush's approval numbers keep dropping. but you can only beat your head against a wall so many times before it starts to ache.
think i'll go swimming instead. later, all.
Ether, just go back to pulling your pud. After all, your getting just as much satisfaction, without having to type.
Dirk, the bombing of the civilian restaurant with four 500 lb bombs was not the first act, but it was done in the first few daws. It did obliterate the entire restaraunt and a lot of the residential block around it. This was unquestionably a war crime.
Pie:
Glad to see you have the decency to call wrong, wrong.
Sad.
i'm with you, sallyh. that's the same problem i have w/ operation elephant (except as a shame tactic). i want less troops there, not more.
dirk gently |
not really sure where the convo. is. but i've no problem with dipshits like ether getting hurt. i don't know his relative physical prowess vs. my own. but if i could, i'd beat his ass to a bloody pulp. i'm sick of these asswipes. you want to talk about a civil war?
i don't want anyone going over to iraq to die however. our actions there are nothing but fuel on the fire. and that makes us all less safe, not just americans either.
"we're gonna smoke 'em out of their holes and whup 'em" is not a foreign policy. hell, it's even kind of lame as bar room braggadocio.
I would see airstrikes by Israel vis a vis Iraq in 81' as the more likely outcome
and what will happen in Iraq when the U.S. allows Israeli bombers to violate Iraqi airpace? Bush has already given Israel tacit permission to bomb Iran -- if you think things are bad in Iraq now, wait 'til THAT happens.
Arguing with idiots like ether is like bashing your head into a wall: it feels so good when you stop.
He's straight outta SallyH's Troll Reference: Take one comment, stretch it waaaay out of context, pound their shoe on the table about it relentlessly and eventually hijack the thread. What an idiot.
"It's their country and they want us out. I don't blame them, considering the horrors we've rained upon them. Lots and lots of innocents."
Was that a long-winded euphemism fo "go insurgency?"
If so, fuck you too, Pie.
Moral equivalency is the cancer of modern liberalism.
Hopefully it's terminal.
ether, what's sad is your continued cheerleading for this war, when many other people are doing the dying.
You're a fine boy.
Well, thanks for an answer Ether.
So Israel will be our Hessians in Iran.
oh, wait, i get it! ether doesn't think it can be civil wat unless both sides are wearing uniforms - preferably blue and grey! so he can buy a bunch of toy soldiers and re-enact the battles in his basement.
ether, we really need help here.
Damn, Robin Cook. That's a fucking loss. He would probably have returned to high office under Gordon Brown.
And yet ether lives. An obvious refutation of 'intelligent design'.
THE FIRST AND THE FOREMOST REASON
that the US invaded, conquered, occupied, and then raped Iraq was to ensure that, out of the inevitably ensuing chaos, mayhem, and anarchy, the State of Iraq would never again be able to pose a threat to Israel...
civil war--internecine conflict within a national boundary among contending intra-national powers--began the day the first US GI set a boot upon Iraqi soil, in March 2003, and it will not end until and unless another authoritarian/totalitarian regime re-assumes the mantel of power...
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Ether, I know where you can find that big dick your looking to suck on. Just outside of Waco Texas is this shithole of a town called Crawford. Ever heard of it? Well theres a man holed up there, who desperatly needs his wanker excercised. You are the perfect candidate.
the graphics being used to tell about the russian sub predicament are better than usual - almost makes it seem like real news - don't know why we can't pump air down there while they are waiting tho.
charley:
Funny, wonder where the big-talkers like you are at the counter-protests?
I long for the day.
Talk.Talk.Talk.
his “community” is the most vulgar, most obscenely obnoxious group of party hacks around. Black has been known to sic his minions on bloggers who displease him. A real class act.
Aw, shucks... We do our best. {{{pulling fetlock modestly.}}}
Dirk, the bombing of the civilian restaurant with four 500 lb bombs was not the first act, but it was done in the first few daws.
are you sure? of course, the real "first acts" where the stepped up bombing in the no fly zones, but i thought the restaraunt bombing happened before shock and awe (that is, mass murder) started.
i could be wrong, of course. i know it was before we launced the missles into the palestine hotel, killing those journalists.
ether, what would YOU have done if Germany had invaded in 1946?
Or do you refuse to think about a possible parallel?
Those people have nothing to lose except their pride, at this point.
And everyone involved in the fighting suffers.
But not Bushco, not me, and not you.
Stop with the fake outrage. You don't really care at all.
that the US invaded, conquered, occupied, and then raped Iraq was to ensure that, out of the inevitably ensuing chaos, mayhem, and anarchy, the State of Iraq would never again be able to pose a threat to Israel...
Sorry Woody, I disagree. Little boots and his cronies could care less about Isreal. First oand foremost, this war is all about PROFIT.
Second, it was about PROFIT.
THirdly, it was ALL ABOUT PROFIT.
After all NBC is not making money for the likes of GE. ANd KBR, is not in the market for shrinking its work force.
We also have to note the fact that Dicky has to earn his keep.
ether, what's sad is your continued cheerleading for this war, when many other people are doing the dying.
You're a fine boy.
pie | Email | Homepage | 08.06.05 - 3:09 pm | #
At least i'm supporting our side, rather than our enemies.
At least you libs have finally come out of the closet. I'm sure the folks at LGF will love reading through this very revealing thread.
"go insurgency"
-Eschaton regular
His statements have much more influence and when he makes "idiotic" statements they are much more dangerous to our troops than anything Sharkbabe could possibly say.
Another exaple of Bush's idiocy was when he was in Pakistan and used the word "crusade" to describe America's upcoming wars. Radical Islamists seize on Bush's words and have used them ever since to incite America's enemies. Could he have said anything more stupid than that?
Arguing with idiots like ether is like bashing your head into a wall: it feels so good when you stop.
There are many who read here but never comment. Some of them may be uncertain of their positions on GWB, the Iraq war etc. etc. When ether and the other trolls advance stupid arguments and we refute them hopefully some of those who are uncertain will see that the positions we hold are much superior to the positions held by GWB, ether, Toby and so on.
At least i'm supporting our side
What's *our side*?
America?
No way.
Well, Bush hates America right back. How else to explain the level of paranoia that requires the SS to issue a warning to the residents of Grapevine, TX not to look at the President when he arrived to accept the "Thomas Jefferson Freedom Award" from a conservative group. From the Daily Texan:
GRAPEVINE - Roads were shut down Wednesday and residents living in nearby apartments between Dooley and Ruth Wall Roads were warned not to look out of their windows Wednesday. School busses from Grapevine-Colleyville ISD formed a perimeter around the site where President George W. Bush was scheduled to land. No one was going to get a glance of the president on his way to the Gaylord Texan Resort and Convention Center.
http://tinyurl.com/dk5j9
Or maybe he's hiding from the scary Gold Star Mom, Cindy Sheehan, who says she's going to shadow him down in Texas.
If so, fuck you too, Pie.
Moral equivalency is the cancer of modern liberalism.
Hopefully it's terminal.
Wow eth, old cad, you just jumped the Grand Canyon with that one.
pie said nothing of the sort. She said she didn't blame them for wanting us out.
I want us out. Now. Period.
Or I want Little Boots, cheenee, and all the chickenshit tuffies that have never put had to worry about one fucking thing in their pitiful lives to get their asses over to Iraq.
Jesus pie:
But don't question your patriotism right?
At least i'm supporting our side, rather than our enemies.
that's all it is, right? Just a fucking football game, and you gotta cheer for your team.
I'm sure the folks at LGF will love reading through this very revealing thread.
As if we give a flying fuck what they think....
At least i'm supporting our side
What's *our side*?
America?
No way.
pie | Email | Homepage | 08.06.05 - 3:14 pm | #
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I've had enough, I don't even have to draw the hatred for your country out of you guys anymore.
You wear it as a badge of honor.
"Go insurgency"
-Eschaton regular.
OT
What's gotten into CNN? They're running a long piece now that's favorable to science. What's more, it's about astrobiology and the origin of life. So far they haven't brought on Falwell for balance. I'm stunned. I think Miles is about to get a phone call.
Must be trying to take advantage of the Scientist in Chief being out of town.
At least i'm supporting our side, rather than our enemies.
wrong, pissant. you are supporting their death and dismemberment, and for nothing other than the greed and power-mongering of a few murderous elite.
i am supporting "our side" - by doing what little i can to see they can make it home alive and unharmed. the sooner they come home, the more likely that will be.
i am supporting "our side" - by trying to prevent the horrendous, gut rending grief parents feel forever at the loss of a child. something you cannot understand until you experience it, and something i would not wish on you or anyone else.
that's my definition of support, and my definition of "winning".
what is yours? yellow stickers on your toy suv? killing enough iraqis that no one is left to fight? how can you possibly still support this war, and pretend that you support "our side"?
But don't question your patriotism right?
Bush has made a mockery out of the words *democracy* and *freedom*.
He shames and embarrasses me, but America will go on in spite of his incompetence. Yes, she will survive.
Worst. President. Ever.
linens
At least you libs have finally come out of the closet. I'm sure the folks at LGF will love reading through this very revealing thread.
Good for them. Fuck that bunch of effete pimps.
"At least i'm supporting our side, rather than our enemies"
Then what the fuck are you doing here instead of marching down to the Army, Navy, Marine Corp, or Air Force recuiting stations?
You're a fucking coward!
Have you ever in your life done ANYTHING to support the troops in any tangible sense?
Sent a care package?
Wrote a letter to congress or the president for better VA funding, or benefits and gear for the troops?
Enlisted?
No just a pud pulling troll, that the world would be better off for if he'd never have been born.
ether - "Our side"? 'Our side"? This is a football match to you? A brisk game where 'Our Side" goes up against "Their Side" and 'Our Side" wins?
Are you insane?
ether, enough of the fake outrage.
No one here is buying it.
I hope your friends and relatives stay safe.
ether,
draw this you sycophantic mindless asshat (turns back on detractors, extends middlefinger in a childish display of petulance)
What do you think of Sharkbabe's comment that openly supported the killing of your countrymen...
i think she's absolutely correct, in any objective universe...
there's no dispute...
in iraq, USers are the invaders, the Imperial Storm Troopers, randomly shooting and bombing and strafing the homes of innocent civilians, wounding and killing wantonly people who wish for nothing more than to be left alone...
USer troops in Iraq commit criminal acts every time they open fire; they would not be fired upon if they were not there--that's a tautology which even the most obdurately stupid trool cannot rebut...on an individual level, i know they have no other option (well, they do; but it is impractical: to refuse)...
but i do not and cannot support those acts of murder, arson, torture, pillage, and other crimes of which USer troops have been accused and found guilty...
bring 'em home, disarm 'em, and put 'em all in serious, hard-core therapy to help 'em reconcile the impossible stresses to which the illegitemate, illegal, immoral war has subjected them...
that's how i support the troops...
.
I don't even have to draw the hatred for your country out of you guys anymore
duh, yeah, we "hate our country" 'cause we oppose the crapweasels in power who are fucking it up, and the crapweasels like you who defend them no matter how bad it gets.
"Shut Up And Obey", that's the new patriotism. That's the new freedom.
Completely on the topic (sorry for that):
How many of the posters here were in the 12% who did not give Booosh an approval right after 9-11?
Raise your hands:
one two three four five...... fifty six sifty seven.... threee hunert ninety six three hunnert ninety seven......
yep, that's just about all 12%
You wear it as a badge of honor.
I bet you wear a T-shirt that say Freedum Ain't Free, don't you?
Every day. Sheesh. Patriotism. What a crock of shit.
First oand foremost, this war is all about PROFIT.
Second, it was about PROFIT.
THirdly, it was ALL ABOUT PROFIT.
and POWER. they go hand in hand. profit is used to cement power - power is used to generate profit.
hence the widening gap b/t the powerful rich and the impotent poor. hence the number of demos who didn't denounce this war because in the end they are part of the power structure.
the only thing i don't get is the number of middle class and poor who are championing the very people who only get richer to the detriment of those very supporters.
ether
I'm not a supporter of Sharkbabe's statement, but as others have said -- she's not the Preztwit or in any position of power and influence in the foreign policy of the US. I didn't want any US troops to be in Iraq in the first place.
As for an "insurgency." There is no insurgency -- that has been a misnomer from the beginning. It is a continuing primarimarily Sunni resistance to foreign occupation. Except for the Sadr militia about a year or so ago, the Shiites have mostly stayed out of it for pragmatic reasons -- i.e. they are the majority and may get complete power if they wait and see what happens. An "insurgency" implies a legitimate government which one suddenly rises up against. The fighting never stopped and the government, though we portray it as legitimate because of the purple finger election is a US creation.
"At least i'm supporting our side, rather than our enemies"
NO!
No you are not.
Supporting this president is supporting enemies of the free world.
I don't support thieves, liars and crooks.
or illegal wars.
The whole idea of preventive war is stupid as well. Its a case of 'I will decided to burgle your house in case you burgle mine'.
How many of the posters here were in the 12% who did not give Booosh an approval right after 9-11?
ooo, ooo (imitating horshak, raising hand)
when i saw his deer-in-the-headlights look at that school, his pandering photos on AF1, his grandstranding at ground zero, it made me physically ill. the only thing i gave him any credit for was his initial statement that we should avoid overreacting, and find the real perps rather than just start bombing "that region". of course, that all turned out to be a fucking smokescreen.
...hopefully some of those who are uncertain will see that the positions we hold are much superior to the positions held by GWB, ether, Toby and so on.
You're still arguing with an idiot. He's a troll. It's obvious after his first post that he's here for no other reason than to incite people into a shouting match that has nothing to do with anything even remotely related to the topic. To even try to unravel his convoluted logic, much less refute it with counter-arguments, is sad.
ether,
Your support for "Our Side" equals cheering on Bush as he sends our military to fight in a country which was no threat to the United States, lying about the reasons to go, denying the gravity of the situation, daring the opposition to "Bring it on", while sitting thousands of miles away and mourning the death of those soldier by taking a 5 week vacation.
On the other hand, our support for "Our Side" equals questioning our leadership, attacking the lies used, wishing for all of our soldiers to come home safe, being angry at our leadership for sending our military needlessly to war based on lies, and most egregiously not capturing the person who orchestrated the attacks of 9/11
Who is the better American?
Those who blindly follow our leaders such as you or those who refuse to accept what we are told at face value and demand honesty and integrity?
I know which side I am on.
How many of the posters here were in the 12% who did not give Booosh an approval right after 9-11?
Raise your hands:
(raise) I saw right through the bullshit. Still do.
I didn't vote for the bastard in 2000 because he was so stupid. I thought Powell and others would keep him in line. Wrongo.
Despite what some of you thought about the rest of Bushco, no one could have predicted the disintegration of our way of life, comfort level, and economic prosperity that they have brought about.
They're choking optimism.
o even try to unravel his convoluted logic, much less refute it with counter-arguments, is sad.
true, there may be no point in trying to refute the troll. but it does give an opportunity to work through my own thoughts and convictions, and get to see others. the contrast itself is useful - if one wants to draw with white chalk, one needs a blackboard on which to do it.
plus obviously some people ARE being turned around by hearing the truth of what is happening (hence the shrub's falling popularity). if we don't keep proclaiming it, all the world will hear is propaganda. perhaps other repubs/wingers will lurk here, without having posted the banal rhetoric themselves they will be less personally involved and thus see the truth.
of course, there comes a point where the tussle degrades to scatalogical insults or OT ranting, then it is time to just drop it.
How many of the posters here were in the 12% who did not give Booosh an approval right after 9-11?
when the obvious planted operative yelled out "we can't hear you" as comander coward stood on the bodies and ashes of the WTC on 9/13 so the idiot could recite his canned soundbite of "...hear us all soon"
(the stupid fuck needs cue cards to speak to high school kids) i knew it was a joke to him and bonanza for president cheney
Everybody should read James Kroeger's editorial posted on Buzzflash today. And then D candidates should hire this guy pronto.
I've had enough, I don't even have to draw the hatred for your country out of you guys anymore.
You wear it as a badge of honor.
Badges? we don't need no stinkin' badges!
but it does give an opportunity to work through my own thoughts and convictions,
Well, sure. There is something to be said for honing your blade to a surgical sharpness. It seems to me, though, after wading through a years' worth of Eschatonian comment threads, that arguing with idiots the likes of ether is a mind-numbing waste of a perfectly servicable Saturday afternoon.
Leave it to Atrios to be more upset at Bush, than the terrorist murdering civilians.
Thanks for 2004 moron.
Ether, are you sure you want to use this picture in your desperatesingles.com profile?
It's really not your best side, after all.
Dear Cog: George W. Bush is a terrorist who is murdering civilians.
That said, it is hardly necessary for anyone to keep repeating that they don't like people who do that sort of thing. Consider it stipulated.
And when will Bush stand in the dock for his crimes?
Cog: And Bush isn't murdering civilians.
Go blow a goat, Nazi!
Not liking Bush and opposing his war is not traitorous.
Screw you trolls.
I support the trolls by opposing their senseless death in a rich fuckwit's ego trip.
When is Bush's approval rating going to be in the 30's.
The trolls apparently can't read.
Let me rehash:
"This is Bush’s lowest rating on Iraq and the first time it has dropped below 40 percent in the NEWSWEEK poll. And 50 percent of those polled say the United States is losing ground in its efforts to establish security and democracy in Iraq.
Meanwhile, Bush’s approval ratings have dropped to 42 percent; 51 percent of Americans say they disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job as president. Bush’s approval ratings reached a high of 88 percent in his first term, in the month after the September 11 attacks. Forty-two percent is his low."
I love that picture of petulant Bush
"There ARE weapons of mass destruction!
There ARE, there ARE!
And don't tell me we're losing the war because if I don't want to believe it, it ain't so!"
"I've had enough, I don't even have to draw the hatred for your country out of you guys anymore."
God, that's SO 1960s!
And you couldn't draw flies if you dumped a jar of honey on your head.
How many of the posters here were in the 12% who did not give Booosh an approval right after 9-11?
Raise your hands:
(raise) I saw right through the bullshit. Still do.
Pitchforks and Torches
I've thought from Day One that Bush and Company were behind 9/11.
Nothing will change my mind about that.
"At least i'm supporting our side"
I don't support Bush and Company.
MY side is not on the side of idiots, warmonger, thieves and mass murderers.
My side is not on that of people who have made us hated worldwide and who is driving this country into bankruptcy.
My side is not on that of those who are in bed with the Saudis, the ones who bankroll terrorists and treat women like walking wombs.
No, I'm NOT on YOUR side.
I can think for myself!
"insurgency"? i prefer "freedom fighters"
how about "resisters for the homeland"?
As many times that Bush is photographed he always has the same face.
When the right lionize him what a fucking fugire to put on the face of a statue.
Its hard werk being Prseidnet. And Laura make s me swallow.
"How many of the posters here were in the 12% who did not give Booosh an approval right after 9-11?"
Hated this SOB long before 911.
Now... hatred is too kind a word for this loser child. This arrogant, dangerous ass. Hatred bordering on complete outrage and anger... spittle runs down my mouth when I see this B-A-S-T-A-R-D.
Any pictures of Bush in the paper get immediately X'ed out with black magic marker.
Insanity... yes. No less than the insanity that this X has unleashed on the country/world.
Bush = America's Car Bomb
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
- Thomas Jefferson
So fuck you, trolls!
ether says:
"Actually, cock-master, i am upset becase I have a buddy serving in Iraq right now, a sister that's a Marine in Japan, and a cousin on his way.
For some cunt bitch to say "go insurgency" is a direct endorsement of the killing of my family.
Sharkbabe:
Fuck you, you delusional, self-loathing, moonbat.
ether"
ether:
"Cunt bitch", huh? You want words? okay. I got your words.
My fervent hope is that your buddy sees his balls blown up in a bloody mist into his face, as he takes about 6 hours to die, slowly and painfully, bleeding every last pint onto the Iraqi ground.
I hope that your sister gets yanked out of Japan and shipped over to iraq, where she is kidnapped by the insurgents, raped incessantly, and eviscerated. Yeah, your sister, the whore, pal.
I hope your worthless fucking cousin completes the trifecta of death.
Now, why do I speak such shocking and inapropriate hatred, and left-wing extremist rhetoric?
because it hurts you.
because I want you to hurt a lot tonight.
because I want you to go to sleep, dreaming of your sister's bloodied tits being vaporized all over the streets of some God forsaken Iraqi city.
because I'm a leftist who fucking hates you.
I want to offend your fighting keyboard cowardly pussy ass like it's never been offended before. How am I doing?
Do words hurt you, you cowardly pussy? Let me give you a clue. Right now it's words. We non-sheep in America have put up with about all we can take from your smirking chimp and his fascist corporate scumbag friends. We can only use words for so long, and you just keep goading us and goading us. Not smart. We're not your father's peaceniks, asswipe.
You had better fucking hope that offensive speech like what I just wished on your whore sister, your bum of a friend, and your soon to be dead-as-Ronald reagan cousin is the extent of how angry we'll get, because if it gets any worse for us, it's the smart-mouthed pussies like you who are going to go first.
When we at long last lose it, you're going to PRAY for a merciful death at the hands of a more humane Iraqi insurgent (like the kind that will soon be visited on your friends and family).
Because people like us have grown very fond of the American way. When human shit like you take what's left the country we love away from us, you can take it to the bank that we're going to get very mean, very soon. And I doubt that a retard like you counted on that.
You smirking fucksticks with your keyboards, I'll say again, will go first.
Ether is so dumb he still thinks "moonbat" is an insult.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
- Thomas Jefferson
So fuck these trolls!
No matter how low Bush goes, he will be always more popular than Dean and netroots.
HD
Keep telling yourself that, Cletus!
"go insurgency"
-Eschaton regular
Proof, please!
If it was said, it was said to pull the chains of fuckwad trolls.
It's so easy to play headgames with Bush supporters.
Tuesday is the 31st anniversary of what historical event? Hint: it happened barely two years after Nixon won in a landslide...
dave™©®
And what a GREAT day for America!
Ether: cunt bitch
These trolls ALL have problems with outspoken women, don't they?
I guess it's because their sex life consists of a washcloth and a photo of (Tr)Ann Coulter.
OK, trolls, here's some red meat for ya:
I hate Bush. I hate the lying, fakey, cold son of a bitch. I hate his so-called loyalty, which blinds him to reality and criminality. I hate his puppet-on-a-string approach to politics, his weasly sense of humor, his absolute arrogance.
I hate his stupid family, too. I ride my bicycle past Jeb's mansion, and I can't help think of Columba's trying to sneak $12K of Parisian baubles past Customs, Nicole's crack habit, Jebbie Jr.'s sex habit, Neil's immorality, Barbara's viciousness, George Sr.'s lack of backbone, and Jeb's general cluelessness, although in comparison, he looks at least intelligent next to Shrub. But they all have a defective morality, and the only silver lining is that history will not be kind to any of them.
It is a damning indictment of the slim majority of voters that allowed this criminal enterprise, this "family," to achieve public office. They really should have just stayed in the arms and oil businesses...
"go insurgency"
Atrios's new Democratic party campaign slogan.
"go insurgency"
Atrios's new Democratic party campaign slogan.
Still lying, I see.
So much dishonesty cannot be healthy for the mind.
"After that last thread, I need a fucking drink." -- Toonscribe
How do you make one? Is it like a bloody Mary? Screwdriver? Purple Jesus, maybe?
Pere Ubu - How are Dr Faustrol & Bose DeNage these days? I heard the Palcontents are doing back-ups on David Bowie's next CD, to be titled "Polish Rhapsodies & Love Songs with Ziggy Stardust"
"But the economy is fucking great!"
So is the town whore.
What an ugly, shallow thread.
As a determined centrist, I usually wouldn't be here, and I certainly won't be back.
Ether, for what it's worth, thanks to your family, may they all be well and return safe.
Those of you who felt it necessary to mock and scorn, and especially the person who wrote "go insurgency", well, you are very lucky to live in a place where others are willing to pay the price to safeguard your freedom to act like foul-mouthed schoolkids.
I think this site provides an excellent explanation for why the left has lost almost all influence in the government, and will continue to do so.
Like I say, I'm a centrist, and no fan of Shrub; but YOU are appalling. The left must do better than this if they are to re-emerge from the slime.
I am amazed the popularity isn't zero. You have to be blind and deaf not to know he is an idiot.
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