I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
no comment
"physically?"
Just try it, pinheads.
Viva la revolucion!!
Naturally, the only proper response to this is to open a third front on the GWOT, where whoever isn’t fighting on the first two battlefields takes the fight directly to the American public - physically, rhetorically, or both
Thats the purpose of the trolls.
Karl knew what he was doing when he hired intapundits like assrocket and johna. He was creating a source of troop revenue.
I have a fascinating post up on my blog.
Just sayin'.
"flea market firearms vendors"
No offense, but I'm not sure we were talking the most stable of individuals to begin with...
From the news article:
In a telephone interview yesterday, Moore said police had told him not to discuss what sparked the incident or discuss his feelings about the Iraq war.
If Moore's telling the truth and the police really told him that . . . what the fuck??
Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq] war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who opposed it...
Let freedom fuckin' REIGN mutherfuckers!
:::pounding head on desk:::
Unbelievable.
Just.
Unbelievable.
Man that's a horrible story.
In a telephone interview yesterday, Moore said police had told him not to discuss what sparked the incident or discuss his feelings about the Iraq war.
The Poiliice State we all fear is happening before our very eyes.
Yet the trolls continue to believe in and promote the idea, that america is unsafe and that good king george is the only salvation to the lawd.
Praise (allah)jeezus.
so sad, beaten at the draw by the conservative. just feeds wimpy, limp wristed liberal stereotype.
but joke aside, my thoughts go out to the mans family. jesus, to die over an argument. awful.
FWIW, the news reports said the anti-war guy drew first.
I believe it. The same thing could have happened to me when someone that I had previously thought of as a friend threatened to shoot me because I criticized Bush and the Iraq war.
I'm still avoiding that guy whenever possible.
see, right after the election i said it was going to get violent.
my freind was physically assaulted by his republican neighbor over a political dispute.
we should perhaps remember "they need divisiveness, we don't" but this tension is pervasive.
on a brighter note i've noticed far less W stickers of late.
Poll numbers are down, but what the hell are the remaining 40% thinking? These people are sniffing industrial-grade glue.
Hi y'all.
I'm sure you all remember how
last week my idiot son had a
whiny post up on his blog about
how somebody here had threatened
to shoot him.
I just want to go on record as
saying that, although he is the
fruit of my loins (alas), I have
contemplated shooting Toby myself.
On numerous occasions.
Ultimately, however, I have always
rejected the idea, largely because
it would be very noisy.
That said, hanging would be too good
for the little moron,
so if he shows up at Eschacon,
feel free.
I have a fascinating post up on my blog.
Just sayin'.
That was interesting, Kid. Thanks.
Fuck this administration, I have nothing but utter contempt for them and their holier than thou suporters.
That Bush boy sure is a uniter.
hey man!
you cant talk that antiwar stuff to me!!!!
not in america !!!
FWIW, the news reports said the anti-war guy drew first.
True.
Just another good sign that dear leadewr is a uniter not a divider.Otherwise, how could both of them be armed?
Oh, there will be more, already is more. This is a variant on the number of wives being killed in a rage by their briefly returning military husbands - the 'Minutemen' idiots on the California and Texas (not AZ any more, dieu merci) borders, the clown at the AZ truckstop who, still packing his weapon from Iraq took hostage and nearly killed 7, smallish illegals who were attempting to run away from somebody nuttier than the coyote who'd dropped them in El Norte.... I suspect this has all passed under the radar of a lot of folks in states where personal possession of a weapon is unusual - and wearing weapons as an everyday fashion accent is a surprise.
It takes very little for someone who is in possession of a handgun on his or her person, along with a quick temper and a dispute, to use the weapon.
Follow the link:
Moore was questioned at the Floyd County Jail, but he was released without being charged after Kentucky State Police said it appears he acted in self-defense.
So how will this whip through wingnuttia? Probably something like this ....
"The crazed anti-war hippie was violent! He drew his gun! He was going to shoot the good American patriot!"
Self-defense, my eye.
would it be pushing it to say that this is the end-result of the attitude of the troll on the previous thread?
if you don't support US you must support THEM... and THEY must be killed.
It takes very little for someone who is in possession of a handgun on his or her person, along with a quick temper and a dispute, to use the weapon.
But christ know we can't have gun control, 'cause that'd be WRONG.
It might be prudent for this guy to shut his fucking mouth for a while.
.
Harold Wayne Smith is a martyr.
Same poll; 'By 53%-46%, those surveyed say it wasn't a mistake, the strongest support for the war since just after the Iraqi elections in January.' Hah! In your face!Libs are such assholes! Really I don't think we should start shooting them though, a sound asskicking every so often is much more satisfying.
There's no common ground, the gulf grows wider by the day, of course things like this will happen. It's when it gets organized that we'll have our own civil war.
According to the article, a witness said the antiwar guy drew first, and said something like, "I'm going to blow your brains out."
So I'm guessing he opposed the war for reasons other than pacifism . . .
the media has twisted this in favor of the anti-American in this story
Oh, no. Look what Bush done did.
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/...eb_c&
refer=home
Harold Wayne Smith is a martyr.
Ya might want to read the whole article before you say that . . .
Wow! Just thirty comments is how long it took for the jackasses and fools to rush to the field.
Our side! Our side!
Bang....
I say bring it on.
Jeez, we just had several people shot up here in peaceful Blue MA over traffic disputes. One killed and two wounded in two separate incidences in two days.
"No one touched the trigger but the Devil's right hand."
That's why I will never carry a loaded gun in my car. Just having it there would make me more likely to use it than to just point up at the sky with my middle finger.
GWOT = George's war on thinking.
a sound asskicking every so often is much more satisfying
I bet you're shining your jackboots right now, little Nazi.
I say bring it on.>/i>
Ô¿Ô - I got your back, mijo.
Please don't forget the signifigance of this day...
Via The Majoritry Report board:
How the 40% gets fooled.
Are y'all finally going to arm yourselves?
This is certainly an example of conservative terrorism, violence against someone based on non-compliance with the fundamentals of Bushianity.
I've got a feeling that there are a lot of people who won't speak up for fear of violence from conservatives, just about all of the Republicans. I've got a feeling that more than one politician pulls their punches while thoughts of getting killed by a winger goes through the back of their heads.
When you don't have the truth on your side reach for your gun.
This is certainly an example of conservative terrorism,
I dunno. If that article is true, it looks like an example of two morons with guns, but that's just me . . .
Good fucking grief.
I've been predicting this, but I'm not happy to hear it's actually starting to happen.
As things continue to deteriorate they'll need a scapegoat, and we'll be the target. There's no way that they'll admit that they were wrong in the first place.
what the hell are the remaining 40% thinking?
Good article in the Toronto Globe today about Ohio and the war. Here's the link:
http://tinyurl.com/c2cow
But here's one person's thinking:
"Mrs. Deyarmin believes opposing the war would be tantamount to betraying her son. “I can't go against the war. I stand behind Nathan and stand behind our military 100 per cent.”
To realize this is a futile, disastrous folly would be to admit their whole world is based on lies. Can't do it, no way.
Are y'all finally going to arm yourselves?
Ô¿Ô | 08.06.05 - 3:35 pm | #
No.
Hey, have you all seen this report yet?
http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072...05/ default.html
"Vote Fraud, Intimidation & Suppression In The 2004
Presidential Election"
by the American Center for Voting Rights
Lots of good stuff. Start with the Executive Summary.
I would have filed this one under Bobo's World ...
Please don't forget the signifigance of this day...
I thought you meant Hiroshima. I had forgotten about two-page PDB that Dear Leader couldn't understand and it wasn't the National Security Advisor's job to look into.
Are y'all finally going to arm yourselves?
Shut the fuck up, white boy.
Will these poll numbers finally convince the Democrats who voted for the war to say they were lied to about WMDs and would not have voted that way if they had known better? The Hackett campaign showed that the GOP is very vulnerable on this, even in a nominally safe district.
It takes very little for someone who is in possession of a handgun on his or her person, along with a quick temper and a dispute, to use the weapon.
One of the reasons I don't keep a firearm in the house. A few years ago my father wanted me to get one, and I said I wouldn't because I was more likely to use it accidentally rather than use it to "defend" something. When he told me that "first thing doesn't really happen," I reminded him of the time he almost shot me in the face one night (when I was still living at hom) because he thought I was breaking into the house--with keys, mind you.
Conversation stopped pretty quick after that.
kc, who started the fight that "got out of hand"? Who ended up getting killed? How many wingers get killed by anti-war people?
It's not surprising that a gun dealer would pull a gun but what happened in the end is certainly relevant.
Fine, go out like a booger shot by a wingnut. If I have to go out, I intend to go out in a blaze of glory.
Two words, everybody.
Kent State.
a sound asskicking every so often is much more satisfying
You're welcome to come try you stupid little pussy.
Guns don't kill people.
Ideas kill people who then kill people with guns.
There've always been people like this. It's not a "third front" any more than the people opposing the war are in league with the terrorists. People will draw battlelines between themselves and their neighbors, but here at home it doesn't really help a damn thing.
in Nazi Germany these folks were known as the Brownshirts (SA). They enforced obedience to Nazi ideology and punished open dissent through violence and intimidation.
Just sayin'.
(are you listening, Robert the troll?)
Kent State.
Ya know, Ohio'a really starting to piss me off.
But I need to let go of that idea.
Some of the local 'letters to the editor' continuing to support the Iraq war are incredibly angry these days. From the tone, it's like they want to kill those who don't support the war.
To realize this is a futile, disastrous folly would be to admit their whole world is based on lies. Can't do it, no way.
Yep. They can't do it- so the nuttier, more violent ones among them will find another focus for their rage.
Us.
Mrs. Deyarmin needs to meet Peg Mullen.
Quite a few good folk from the 'heartland' need to remember what Peg Mullen had to say.
Remember?
The Mullens had four children: Michael (born September 11, 1944), Patricia (born May 8, 194
, Mary Margaret (born August 5, 1950), and John Kevin (born February 11, 1952). Michael Mullen graduated from Don Bosco High School in Gilbertville in 1963 and in 1967 from Rockhurst College, a Jesuit school in Kansas City, Missouri, with a Bachelor of Arts degree in chemistry. He was awarded a fellowship for graduate study in chemistry at the University of Missouri and studied there for one year. In September 1968 he was drafted into the Army. He did his basic training at Camp Polk, Louisiana, and attended accelerated Non-Commissioned Officers (N.C.O.) training at Fort Benning, Georgia. In September 1969 he was sent to Vietnam and served with the 198th Light Infantry Americal division near Chu Lai. He was killed February 18, 1970, by shrapnel discharged by United States artillery, so-called "friendly fire."
Peg Mullen had opposed the Vietnam War before her son was drafted, but after his death she became an exceptionally vocal critic of the war. She became widely known for her unrelenting determination to learn from the Pentagon the exact circumstances surrounding her son's death and for her intense involvement in the protest movement.
With their son's military gratuity, the Mullens paid for two ads in The Des Moines Register. The first ran on April 12, 1970 with 714 crosses representing those Iowans reported killed in Vietnam. Another ran on April 26, with 719 crosses. Non-battle casualties, like their son's, were not included in the daily reports, a Pentagon policy the Mullens widely criticized. Each ad exhorted Iowans to express publicly their opposition to the war: "How many more lives do you wish to sacrifice because of your silence?" Peg Mullen soon became a national figure. She received thousands of letters of support from throughout the country; gave interviews for radio, television, and newspapers; counseled families; travelled to Washington to protest the war and spoke frequently at anti-war rallies. She worked tirelessly against the war in Vietnam. The Mullens were one of the families featured in a film, "And Another Family for Peace." In 1972 Mullen served as a McGovern delegate to the Democratic National Convention. In that same year she was nominated Iowa Mother of the Year. ...
Friendly Fire.
People will draw battlelines between themselves and their neighbors, but here at home it doesn't really help a damn thing.
I don't see what the big deal is. They're two bubbas with concealed carry permits and itchy trigger fingers. If they hadn't shot each other over Iraq, they would have shot each other over Pepsi vs. Coke.
One witness, Sam Hamman of Prestonsburg, told The Floyd County Times that the two men always carried guns and bickered frequently about the quality of guns, knives and the war.
"Harold was talking about the 14 people that were killed in Iraq the other day and Doug said that just as many people were killed on the highways here," Hamman told the paper.
...
Another witness, Chuck Newsome, said yesterday the Sept. 11 attacks also were included in the argument, which quickly escalated into an altercation and then to a kind of showdown in front of the market's snack stand.
After a scuffle, Newsome said he saw Smith stand beside the snack shed, pull a small pistol out of his pocket, cock the hammer and say, "I'm going to blow your ... brains out."
Witnesses said Moore pulled a .38-caliber pistol from his pocket.
"Doug was just quicker," Harold Hannah of Salyersville said.
...
Newsome described both men as "really nice guys."
"They always had words -- not fighting words -- like friends do," he said. "Doug said he didn't mean to kill him, the way he did. He just meant to hit him up in the shoulder."
Are y'all finally going to arm yourselves?
Ô¿Ô | 08.06.05 - 3:35 pm | #
With a patriotic distrust of unchecked power? Locked and loaded.
With a firearm? None of your business.
From the tone, it's like they want to kill those who don't support the war.
Incognito: FBI Profiler
"Doug said he didn't mean to kill him, the way he did. He just meant to hit him up in the shoulder."
oh, well that's different then. I'm sure that excuse will fly in court.
in Nazi Germany these folks were known as the Brownshirts (SA)
I still think calling them "brownshirts" these days is overstating their cojones.
I'd call them "pinkshirts". Or maybe "yellowshirts".
I have my 'support the troops' ribbon on my truck where I wrote, 'bring them home' on it. I get a lot of dirty looks but I'm keeping it on there at least when I'm in it. I wont leave it on there when I'm not around or I'm sure my truck would be keyed.
Ex-British Foreign Secretary Cook dies at 59...
USA Today Sat Aug 6 14:37:06 EDT 2005
. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq] war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who opposed it...
odd, it never seems to happen the other way 'round.....
just like there were NO reports of electronic voting machines that "accidently" cast votes for kerry. every single error found was in bush's favor.
tip of the iceberg, folks, tip of the iceberg. statistical extrapolation is all too valid.
Please don't forget the signifigance of this day...
I thought you meant Hiroshima. I had forgotten about two-page PDB that Dear Leader couldn't understand and it wasn't the National Security Advisor's job to look into.
Pere Ubu
Deja-vu eh?
George in Crawford, new terror warning, I'm more than a little creeped out...
I thought you meant Hiroshima. I had forgotten about two-page PDB that Dear Leader couldn't understand and it wasn't the National Security Advisor's job to look into.
Yes, the Aug. 6th, 2001, PDB.
Let's remember that as we remember that those who died on 9/11 were oblivious to the lack of concern being exhibited by the President of the united States. He didn't care about them at all then.
But he'd use them later to get his way.
odd, it never seems to happen the other way 'round.....
Read the article, the anti-war guy pulled his gun out first and said he was going to blow the other guy's brains out. It sounded like legitimate self defense.
There is a constituency of Bush supporters, some of which troll here, which will refuse, up until the bitter end, that all who oppose Bush are evil and must be eliminated.
Those people will move from rhetoric to physical action, when their cognitive dissnonance reaches a point where they no longer are able to delude themselves.
Unfortunately actions such as this will happen with increasing frequency until those that formerly supported Bush publicly renounce him and what he has done.
Only then will these people slink back into their holes until the next person comes along, upon whom they can hang their nationalist hats on.
"Doug said he didn't mean to kill him, the way he did. He just meant to hit him up in the shoulder."
oh, well that's different then. I'm sure that excuse will fly in court.
The thing is it probably would stand up as the other guy drew first. I think they said in the artical "Doug" was released because he acted in self-defence.
Friendly Fire.
Someone said last night (don't remember who) that a friend who was a doctor in the army, and who had been pro-war, was getting out of the service, completely disgusted.
He told him that casualties were double what the pentagon is reporting. That's both deaths and injuries.
I wonder if some of that is friendly fire?
Guns don't kill people.
bullets do. the guns get them moving real fast, though. it's pretty hard to just push a bullet into someone.
(attribution? IIRC, it was some standup comic, i don't remember who).
Aw, he was just going to wing 'em, carefully missing the major arteries in the arm and neck. That's what friends do when they pull heat on one another. They save the head shots for the enemies.
I'd say it's just natural selection, but that would have more reasonably required them each taking the other out.
You're welcome to come try you stupid little pussy.
four legs good | Email | Homepage | 08.06.05 - 3:39 pm | #
Word. HA HA.
I wonder if some of that is friendly fire?
four legs good - Given the increasingly poor training, extended tours, and absence of objective or even agreed upon rules, I'd be prepared to bet that friendly fire 'accidents' have increased by leaps and bounds.
I say bring it on.
Ô¿Ô
hey, been wondering about you.
yeah, me too.
IIRC, it was some standup comic
Jake Johannson, I believe.
bullets do. the guns get them moving real fast, though. it's pretty hard to just push a bullet into someone.
I, like, fell onto a bullet...
I'd call them "pinkshirts". Or maybe "yellowshirts".
I call them asshole chickenhawks.
If they love this war so much they should get their asses over there.
Read the article, the anti-war guy pulled his gun out first and said he was going to blow the other guy's brains out. It sounded like legitimate self defense.
maybe. but saying and doing are two different things, these guys sound like they may have waved guns around once or twice before.
just sayin. neither of them sound like the brightest pennies in the piggie.
bullets do. the guns get them moving real fast, though. it's pretty hard to just push a bullet into someone.
Sounds like something Kris Rock said. He also said something along the lines of there should be "bullet control"; make the damn things about five grand each. You'll see a lot fewer people get killed if that happened.
Could be Martians
scientists said on CNN today
tell Dobson
Glad I don't live in Florida.
a comment from the ever insightful Juan Cole:
Iraq is a huge mess, with virtually no security for its citizens, where massive bombs go off regularly and unpredictably, and where dozens of men show up in the morning shot to death on sectarian bases. So someone should please tell me what the 38 percent who think Bush is doing a good job over there are smoking.
Someone said last night (don't remember who) that a friend who was a doctor in the army, and who had been pro-war, was getting out of the service, completely disgusted.
May be getting out. Can you say 'stop loss.'
The wingnuts are basically craven cowards, I'm not too concerned about them.
So someone should please tell me what the 38 percent who think Bush is doing a good job over there are smoking.
They're smoking Bush's dick.
just sayin. neither of them sound like the brightest pennies in the piggie.
Like someone else said, this sounds more like a couple of bubbas pissing and moaning before they decided to throw down. If it wasn't the war, it would have been about where someone parked their truck.
Also, keep in mind: I'll bet one of these guys was the sort of person who'd want to sit down and have a beer with King Loser. Any takers?
Someone said last night (don't remember who) that a friend who was a doctor in the army, and who had been pro-war, was getting out of the service, completely disgusted.
Rumsfeld (squinty eyes,eerily calm voice): Hello Doktor. Where might you be going this fine evening?
No one is prepared to have their worldview flushed down the toilet but that'll happen to half the American public if the moonbats win (or vice versa) and that can't be good.
redstate + eschaton = escalation = civil war.
Stop reacting. Sing.
I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to buy the world a Coke
And keep it company
That's the real thing.
They're smoking Bush's dick.
So his pants must be on fire.
Jake Johannson, I believe.
Max Planck | 08.06.05 - 3:48 pm | #
thanks - i think you are correct.
similarly:
chris rock: i think bullets should cost about $5,000 each. that would cut down on innocent bystanders being hit - you want every one of those bullets to count!
dogbert: i think everyone should be allowed to own guns. but i think i'm the only one who should be trusted with bullets.
dilbert: what about charlton heston?
dogbert: i wouldn't trust him with a piece of string.
And you know it had to be the right-wing nut jobs who were shooting up Republican campaign offices on the eve of the 02 vote. I mean, no one on the left would EVER resort to violence, right?
"Mrs. Deyarmin believes opposing the war would be tantamount to betraying her son. “I can't go against the war. I stand behind Nathan and stand behind our military 100 per cent.”
I've seen or heard this several times, including once on NPR from a woman talking about her son having been killed in Iraq and saying that if she believed the war didn't matter it would make everything about her son's life and death meaningless. She burst into sobs at the end and couldn't finish her statement. It was heartbreaking, and also probably says something about those survivor families who are beginning to criticize the war, when the pressureis on to leave it be. I feel awful when I hear the ones who back the war out of this grief and misery; almost as if they know but can't bring themselves to acknowledge it.
Meanwhile, polar bears are breeding
like rabbits, thus disproving
global warming.
four legs good - Given the increasingly poor training, extended tours, and absence of objective or even agreed upon rules, I'd be prepared to bet that friendly fire 'accidents' have increased by leaps and bounds.
Yes. I agree.
Also, don't forget that the army uses different methods of training now than they did in the Vietnam era (or WWII). They wanted to make sure the soldiers were more efficient killers, reduce their resistance to actually shooting at someone.
I'll bet that plays into it too.
They're smoking Bush's dick.
You mean his little smokey.
dogbert: i think everyone should be allowed to own guns. but i think i'm the only one who should be trusted with bullets.
I still say, "original intent" on the 2nd Amendment -- you can own whatever firepower you want... as long as it's muzzle-loading black powder guns.
May be getting out. Can you say 'stop loss.'
True.
The wingnuts are completely nuts now.
Could be Martians
scientists said on CNN today
tell Dobson
i wonder if he would claim that god created them for us to have dominion over? or that satan put them there to test our faith?
Meanwhile, polar bears are breeding
like rabbits, thus disproving
global warming.
Huh?
I'll bet a lot of polar bears will starve as the pack ice disappears and they can't get out on it to hunt.
They're smoking Bush's dick.
mmmmm, smoked dick! mesquite flavored pork!
I still say, "original intent" on the 2nd Amendment -- you can own whatever firepower you want... as long as it's muzzle-loading black powder guns.
I'm down with that. Can you see the gang wars: "Lookie here, fucka, I'm gonna smoke yo ass as soon as I get this fuckin' musket ball down the barrel of this blunderbuss! Then we see who be laughin', bitch!"
The wingnuts are completely nuts now.
Ô¿Ô - You've been busy I know, but you're only noticing this now? 
Did you get Stringey one of those killer orange carrot thingeys yet? Do I need to mail you one? Talk about colonising the world.
four legs, I don't think that was Steve. Probably a name stealer.
Like someone else said, this sounds more like a couple of bubbas pissing and moaning before they decided to throw down.
most common redneck last words:
"Hey, bubba - watch this!"
(Foxworthy, I believe)
Nah, but she has tons of those little mice.
all i know is in fl. where i lives, you can get a concealed permit, the whole 9 yards.
if you feel threatened you can shoot to kill.
and dead men tell no tales.
actually i really am not into all this violence, despite the fact that i threatened the shit head down below.
no telling what one would do when there back is against the wall. mostly i just stay away from republicans, and war supporters. mind you, i'm all about going after the real threat of terrorism.
the war in iraq has, and will continue to do nothing but exacerbate that threat.
four legs good:
Read that moron John Tierney's
op-ed in todays NYTimes.
And you know it had to be the right-wing nut jobs who were shooting up Republican campaign offices on the eve of the 02 vote.
Do you know for a fact who did this??
I'm down with that. Can you see the gang wars: "Lookie here, fucka, I'm gonna smoke yo ass as soon as I get this fuckin' musket ball down the barrel of this blunderbuss! Then we see who be laughin', bitch!"
The only drawback is that the g-d re-enactors will suddenly take control.
Anyways, I have to split. Later all.
The wingnuts are completely nuts now.
Ô¿Ô
Now, and always.
say, "I'm going to blow your ... brains out."
I dunno. Maybe he said:
"I'm going to blow you"
(ala steve simel)
I've seen or heard this several times, including once on NPR from a woman talking about her son having been killed in Iraq and saying that if she believed the war didn't matter it would make everything about her son's life and death meaningless. She burst into sobs at the end and couldn't finish her statement.
there is no grief to match losing a child. in the end, it doesn't matter why.
This has little to do with the war. It has everything to do with these guys being morons. Morons shouldn't carry guns. Same goes for LARPers with 'live steel'. Shove all those weapons up your ass, idiots, or get some training and mental stability.
I *SWEAR* I closed that tag!
Nah, but she has tons of those little mice.
Get her one of the alien carrot things. I can't believe how much Maxx likes his. He plays with it incessantly.
It's bizarre.
I thought maybe Steve was being funny and I didn't get the joke.
The only drawback is that the g-d re-enactors will suddenly take control.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
But the re-enactors haven't yet earned their G-D's.
four legs good ...is there cat nip in the carrot?
The only drawback is that the g-d re-enactors will suddenly take control.
Having read Confederates in The Attic, I'd like to avoid that personally.
Them reenactors is crazy mofos.
This is bullshit!
Tsk, tsk, Editors. You used the word "logically" in your entry, thus rendering it moot and unworkable in the Bush Imperium.
For shame.
Read that moron John Tierney's
op-ed in todays NYTimes.
Ah so.
I knew there was a joke there somewhere.
Tierney should blow ALL of us. He's an idiot.
Bushboy's lie of the day was on his radio broadcast, where he claimed that his tax cuts have led to the surge in new jobs and the up-tick in the economy.
Of course, it's now 4 years after he passed his enormous tax cuts and according to Krugman, the problems of the additional costs of Bushboy's deficits, the increased costs for Medicare, the billions of $$$ for the war in Iraq, will all have a negative impact in years to come.
But Bushboy & the Goopers have always been good at taking any temporary situation and claiming it to be a long term trend.
Forgive me in advance for this joke...
Why did the anti-war guy have to be the one to take the bullet?
Kinda makes us look like pussies.
Geez, I'm still sorry for typing that. Not sorry enough to delete, though.
four legs good ...is there cat nip in the carrot?
There is.
There's a little interior cavity that closes with velcro (so as to keep the catnip fresh!!).
I don't think that explains his fascination. He has lots of other catnip toys.
I think it's because it's light and it has feathers on it- he really enjoys tossing it in the air.
Them reenactors is crazy mofos.
Pere Ubu - I can just barely, almost, understand the re-enactors for the Revolutionary and the Civil Wars. What amaze me are Great War re-enactors. Honest to G-d, they dig a trench, sit in it, scratch at their puttees, stand up suddenly and get blown into pieces. This to me does not seem like something I much need to be informed about (guys! we've got film!) or terribly entertaining personally. But then I am no great fan of Great War buffdom at its least offensive, still less the playing war business.
They should have seperate "Ammunition shows"
4LG...I know you said before where you got it but could you say again?
I think my cat would like one.
Wow; support the war or I'll kill you? Agree with me at the point of a gun? WTF?
I'll bet a lot of polar bears will starve as the pack ice disappears and they can't get out on it to hunt.
four legs good
i think most scientists agree, the polar bear is extinction in progress.
For those of you interested in the alien carrot, here it is:
http://www.petsmart.com/global/
p...D=1123358334728
And may I highly recommend another product for those of you with litterboxes?
I don't see it online, but I bought a "litter catcher" mat for Maxx- because of the tufts between his toes he was tracking litter everywhere. This one looks like a piece of astro-turf. It really works.
sounds like a story being put out to guage response
to see how much can be gotten away with when the putsch comes...
Wow; support the war or I'll kill you? Agree with me at the point of a gun? WTF?
WTF indeed.
How's the new laptop?
Nonviolence is good until the tipping point comes....
**************
When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting on death row
You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, the guns of Brixton
The money feels good
And your life you like it well
But surely your time will come
As in heaven, as in hell
You see, he feels like Ivan
Born under the Brixton sun
His game is called survivin'
At the end of the harder they come
You know it means no mercy
They caught him with a gun
No need for the Black Maria
Goodbye to the Brixton sun
You can crush us
You can bruise us
Yes, even shoot us
But oh-the guns of Brixton
What amaze me are Great War re-enactors. Honest to G-d, they dig a trench, sit in it, scratch at their puttees, stand up suddenly and get blown into pieces.
Ack. That's fucking crazy.
I doubt this really is the first time a person was murdered over the war. Chances are the others involved people coming back after dark and out of spite taking them out or some other means when nobody was around and nobody to say what the motives were. Considering how many times rightwingers drove their cars onto sidewalks trying to intimidate anti-war protestors it is only a miracle of sorts that nobody was killed, like some old lady who couldn't move fast enough or who fell in all the commotion and into the path of the vehicle, etc.
But considering how things are going right now I can't imagine rightwingers doing this more often now that things are not going their way. There might be some spiteful idiots out there who think liberals are the reason we're losing this thing rather than the enemy on the field, but like this Doug Moore guy, as long as we were faster on the trigger, there is not much we can do but defend ourselves.
MYOB'
.
Eddie Izzard's version was something like: 'Guns don't kill people. But they help.'
This incident, I think, was middle-aged gun-toters picking a fight. But the rhetoric is in place. Mr Neiwert has talked about how right-wing rage at their own fuckups is sublimated into 'librul traitors'.
Me, I'm armed with a one-way plane ticket.
What amaze me are Great War re-enactors. Honest to G-d, they dig a trench, sit in it, scratch at their puttees, stand up suddenly and get blown into pieces.
Ack. That's fucking crazy.
four legs good
I like to think of it as an unintentional lesson in why warfare is inherently ineffective.
from thornhill's link: (boldface and [notes] mine)
Retail employment rose 49,800, the biggest gain since April 2000. New York-based Coach Inc., the largest U.S. seller of luxury leather goods, is among those hiring. The company said its sales rose 24 percent in the three months ended July 2 and that it's adding 30 stores and outlets in the U.S. this year.
Clothing retailers added 13,000 jobs. Auto dealers added about 9,600 workers as sales surged to the second highest rate ever because of discounting by General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and DaimlerChrysler AG [note: by eliminating worker's employee discounts - now those discounts are the same as the general public].
Employment in financial services increased by 21,000 last month, reflecting strength in the housing market. [note: fueling the economy by adding debt once again] Since July 2004, real estate has added 54,000 jobs. Construction employment rose by 7,000 jobs last month after increasing 15,000.
Manufacturing payrolls declined by 4,000 jobs last month after falling by 21,000 in June. The workweek held at 40.4 hours last month while overtime rose by six minutes to 4.5 hours.
see, you can't just look at the numbers. you have to look at what they mean. low paying, no benefit retail jobs replacing higher paying, union-labor manufacturing. luxury goods increasing as the wealth gap continues to widen.
finance is funny - it's ALWAYS good for some people, bad for others. look at who made fortunes during the depression....
Fuck you to hell, Douglas Moore.
Santorum preaches to the choir
(snip)
Speaking of his early years in Congress, the two-term senator said, "The thing that frustrated me the most, to be very honest with you, is that Republicans from the time of the Great Society and for many years afterward, simply accepted the solutions that the left put forward. They just wanted to spend less money on them."
"Liberalism is a failure," Santorum argued. "It doesn't work ... it, in fact, destroys."
(snip)
Nonviolence is good until the tipping point comes....
Nonviolence is good even when the tipping point comes. Read Walking to Mercury by Starhawk.
Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook Dead
look at
who made fortunes during the depression....
dirk gently | Email | 08.06.05 - 4:10 pm | #
Scrooge McDuck?
Hecate-schmecate? Can I send you some jamoncillo? Found some valerian root too if you need that for any reason.
"Liberalism is a failure," Santorum argued. "It doesn't work ... it, in fact, destroys."
That man is a fucking nutcase.
I guess it's lucky for us that he's stupid enough to come out and say explicitly what he believes.
And to write it down in a readily available published book that we can beat him about the head and shoulders with.
"Liberalism is a failure," Santorum argued. "It doesn't work ... it, in fact, destroys."
Santorum is a moron. He doesn't think....he, in fact, sucks Bush's balls and acts like they're Godiva chocolates.
Casey better take that worthless bastard down next year.
GWPDA,
Oh, yes, please! Would love the valerian. What is jamoncillo?
all i know is in fl. where i lives, you can get a concealed permit, the whole 9 yards.
if you feel threatened you can shoot to kill.
and dead men tell no tales.
i still can't believe they passed that supid law.
re: civil war re-enactors - hell, fifty miles in any direction from atlanta, they are still fighting it.
And they say an armed society is a polite society...!
Ooh. Matt Taibbi is my new best friend.
Scrooge McDuck?
steve simels | Email | 08.06.05 - 4:12 pm | #
yes - that heartless robber-baron bastard!
damn, those nature walks are deadly for a certain class of brits.
And they say an armed society is a polite society...!
and I say that's only true if you believe death is an appropriate penalty from rudeness.
Hey,
Check out the new Political Comic at The Hollywood Liberal.
Bush Talks Politics With Jefferson.
HLs Main Page
If you like it there are lots more at. HLs Comic Feature Page
Thank You
Emphasizing the national character of the race, David Norcross,..... called it the "grudge match for Daschle-Thune."
Ah for me it's fight of sanity VS bat shit crazy
Meanwhile, I got a kick out of this:
A White House council on volunteerism said Friday it's taking another look at how the President's Call to Service Award -- accompanied by a laudatory letter from President Bush -- was issued to Stanley "Tookie" Williams, a California Death Row inmate who has written a series of books warning young people against the gang life.
A spokesman for the President's Council on Service and Civic Participation said that neither the council nor Bush had any way of knowing that the person they were honoring was a condemned multiple murderer.
"We're reviewing the case," said the spokesman, Sandy Scott. "We're looking at who he is, how he got the award and what the organization is that certified him for the award.
"We've never had anything like this before," Scott said.
Williams, 51, a co-founder of the Crips street gang, was sentenced to death for four 1979 murders in the Los Angeles area, crimes which he denies committing. He renounced gangs after eight years in prison and has since written 10 books for children and youths.
Admirers have nominated him for the Nobel Prize in both peace and literature. A cable network aired a movie about his life last year called "Redemption." Co-author Barbara Becnel, executive director of the Neighborhood House of North Richmond, said that about 60,000 e-mails have been sent to his Web site, www.tookie.com, and that he has been credited with saving or turning around countless lives.
A federal appeals court has upheld Williams' conviction and death sentence, despite commenting that his "good works and accomplishments since incarceration" might be grounds for clemency from the governor. His lawyers have asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review claims that the prosecutor displayed racial bias by removing three African Americans from the jury and by comparing Williams in the courtroom to a "Bengal tiger in captivity in the zoo. "
Gee, it's not like the guy was some obscure small-town preacher. His fucking bio is plastered all over everything he does - in fact, it's the fucking reason he does what he does, and everybody who deals with him knows it - in fact, it's why they seek him out!
Do you suppose that for generations after humans began walking upright there were folks like Santorum going around complaining about how walking upright was causing all sorts of problems and, particularly when combined with the evils of opposable thumbs, had to be stopped? How long do you think it took before those assholes shut the fuck up and found somthing new to complain about? Is that how long Santorum and pals will be complaining about public educaiton and social security and civil rights and birth control and respect for the envirnoment?
Just remember;
It takes a trigger to pull a finger.
Matt Taibbi mentions the major Ohio irregularities:
Kenneth Blackwell being a Bush reelection chair
10,000s of provisional ballots being disallowed.
Blackwell dismissing registrations on the "wrong" weight paper.
Miami county's bizarre 98.55% turnout.
The terrorist threat never reported by the FBI in Warren county.
Homepage for link.
neither the council nor Bush had any way of knowing that the person they were honoring was a condemned multiple murderer
duh, how could you expect them to know that?
Jeez, it's not like they're the government or anything.
Do you suppose that for generations after humans began walking upright there were folks like Santorum going around complaining about how walking upright was causing all sorts of problems and, particularly when combined with the evils of opposable thumbs, had to be stopped?
Yes.
Santorums great, great one million times removed ancestor also opposed fire I'm certain.
I'll bet a lot of polar bears will starve as the pack ice disappears and they can't get out on it to hunt.
four legs good
that was snark, go read safire's replacement on nyt's op/ed today.
"Fire is a failure," Santorum argued. "It doesn't work ... it, in fact, destroys."
So, is this like Lexington and Concord? First skirmish in the war to come?
dave,
It's OK. Laura 2005 is eliminating gangs. Bush gave her that job at his SotU speech and she's been working fanatically at it ever since.
Combien de valerian? It was in little knobs, for a tiny amount of money, but does it keep? If I send you like two quarts is that more than is necessary or desirable?
Jamoncillo
Ingredients:
1 liter of milk
1/2 kg of sugar
worn out cinnamon
Way to become:
The milk with the sugar and of carbonate is boiled just a little bit. It is expected until one thickens. One retires of the fire. A little is left oreé and all the paste is put in a table. It is divided in cuadritos. If it pleases a little nut can be put.
Mrs.. González. Valley of Beyond, Chih
This that I have has pecans.
ok, i've been here way too long. i've said too much already. time to go outside and get some air.
I heard Santorum say on Booknotes that when he first entered Congress he thought he could work with Dems and find compromise. He no longer believes that. In other words, my way or the highway.
OT - I noticed when he sits he does not have quite the same, eerr, package that Dick does. In fact, there doesn't seem to be any package at all.
I'm bad.
Here's evidence that John Tierney is a fucking idiot. From his column today:
"Polar bears are mammals with a mission, whether it's Gus obsessively swimming in the Central Park Zoo, or the mother and her cub that I once followed during a dogsled expedition here in the Canadian high Arctic. "
What kind of idiot follows a polar bear and her cub? Does he think they're giant stuffed animals?
Cindy Sheehan has not been allowed to talk to Bush, nor has she been arrested. This is day 1.
GWPDA,
Sounds heavenly. Just a little valerian will go a long way for me, maybe a cupfull? Thank you very, very much.
Reading that perhaps the Ohio election this past week might have been rigged makes me to depressed to read about it.
steve simels
thank you.
Ah this is a funny story:
http://tinyurl.com/ayhpt
My Boss owns property next to the UW Primate lab (animal research)
The UW has wanted to buy it but were being pricks to him, strong arm shit.
So he offered to sell it to PETA so they could put up a museum.
His Fuck You to power.
I died laughing when I heard it.
Seriously though he's taking heat.
that was snark, go read safire's replacement on nyt's op/ed today.
I got it.
My comment still stands.
Hecate, de nada. Eddie Basha has neat stuff.
Santorum say on Booknotes that when he first entered Congress he thought he could work with Dems and find compromise. He no longer believes that
while fuckweasels like Joementum insist that we need to reach across the aisle and find common ground with the Republicans.
Heads they win, tails we lose.
scout, did you get the carrot link?
So he offered to sell it to PETA so they could put up a museum.
His Fuck You to power.
Good for him. That is funny.
4LG...yes I did. Thank You
Do you think I'd find it at my local Petsmart?
Do you think I'd find it at my local Petsmart?
That's where I got mine. Ahem, I mean Maxx's.
"Wheels are a failure," Santorum argued. "They don't work ... they, in fact, destroy."
"Destroy what?" I asked.
"Destroy families." Santorum retorted. "They allow for the opportunity of the woman to leave the home."
"Wheels destroy families".
What kind of idiot follows a polar bear and her cub? Does he think they're giant stuffed animals?
Depending on your point of view you could be either glad or sad that he stayed far enough away from them.
In the end when it finally becomes undeniable that this war is lost, it will be the victims who are blamed. The Iraqis were just not ready, perhaps will never be ready,for peeance and freeance. The tragic flaw of Bush, of America herself,is that we're just to good, to noble, to generous of spirit for our own good. Column yards of punditry will be devoted to this bullshit. In the end they were unworthy of us.
4LG...but he was riding a bike by the shop and a cop went by, slowed down, and made a motion with his hand of shooting a gun at him.
Think it un-nerved him
steve simels
thank you.
1watt | Email | 08.06.05 - 4:27 pm | #
No sweat.
Why, though?
dirk gently | Email | 08.06.05 - 4:10 pm | #
hey, thanx for check'n that out. i never click trolls' links because ... well, i just don't.
and i do personally realize the economy is gangbusters for the richest and lame for the least. sort of put's the ridiculously optimistic radio address into perspective.
Seebach
See also this the final paragraph of Mark Crispin Miller's article in the the current
Harper's that WGG has been hawking all last week:
"In this nation's epic struggle on behalf of freedom, reason, and
democracy, the press has unilaterally disarmed-and therefore many good
Americans, both liberal and conservative,have lost faith in the promise of
self-government. That vast surrender is demoralizing, certainly, but if we
face it, and endeavor to reverse it, it will not prove fatal. This
democracy can survive a plot to hijack an election. What it cannot survive
is our indifference to, or unawareness of, the evidence that such a plot
has succeeded.
What I'm saying.
And I am not surprised that things are getting violent. How many incidents of vandalism go unreported or are covered up. I bet there are thousand.
Oh wow. I'm going to read that. I like Mark Crispin Miller.
Gee, it's not like the guy was some obscure small-town preacher. His fucking bio is plastered all over everything he does - in fact, it's the fucking reason he does what he does, and everybody who deals with him knows it - in fact, it's why they seek him out!
dave™©®
what's the surprise, the only person g.w. stayed an execution for was, Henry Lee Lucas.
Dirk Gently - from down below:
but it does give an opportunity to work through my own thoughts and convictions,
Well, sure. There is something to be said for honing your blade to a surgical sharpness. It seems to me, though, after wading through a years' worth of Eschatonian comment threads, that arguing with idiots the likes of ether is a mind-numbing waste of a perfectly servicable Saturday afternoon.
As far as this thread is concerned, what's one less redneck, more or less? What would the spin be if the pro-war dipshit ended up dead? I don't have much sympathy for a gun-totin' turd with a hole in his chest. Fuck 'em both, they probably voted for w anyway, given how red Kentucky is.
Jeebo-fascists, Republicans, idiot trolls, none of them are worth the breath to argue with, blade-honing notwithstanding. I hit my saturation point right around Halloween '04. Your mileage may vary.
Just to remind, Cindy Sheehan and others are going to camp out at Crawford until her arrest or she speaks to Bush.
This could ruin the petulant child's vacation. Enjoy.
aardbat
I think you got that right.
In the end they were unworthy of us.
Bulls... Whoops, that's Novakula's word of the day.
Bush and his cronies are idealogues who patronized the rich and fucked the rest of the world.
Including America.
I read a different account of this story yesterday that contained what I thought was a "funny" line that's missing from the one Atrios has linked to.
They began arguing over the war, said Floyd County Coroner Roger Nelson. "I think Doug was supporting it, and this other guy was against it," he said.
"Doug"? "other guy"?
http://www.wkyt.com/global/
story...tType=Printable
color me not surprised...
The only two reasons to reply to trolls are:
1. To defend yourself or another against their lies.
2. To taunt them and have fun.
If there is another one I haven't seen it yet.
Trolls are Earth Vogons, "Reason is useless!". And their poetry! Pee yew!
This could ruin the petulant child's vacation.
I don't see how. He's surrounded by fences and SS agents. He's a sociopath; her suffering or discomfort means nothing to him. He'll have a lovely vacation and will stay pickled for most of it.
scout prime--
I just bought a bike from your boss. Tell him I'd be thrilled if he sold to PETA.
Anyone familiar with Harry Harlowe's work on sensory deprivation in baby monkeys, how desperate they were for any kind of physical contact they'd cling to a wire form with a bit of terry cloth on it? This is the Primate Center.
Why, though?
steve simels
getting my back?
noblejoanie...you got mail.
Yeah it's the place of Harlowe
Bush and his cronies are idealogues who patronized the rich and fucked the rest of the world.
Including America.
pie
Beneath the Cony Island hoopla, the only thing the Republicans care about is whether they can loot the American treasury quickly or whether it's going to take a while. This is their second attempt in thirty years and it seems they're getting better at it. The U.S. is their piggy bank.
If you try to point out that they're destroying the Bill of Rights along with the treasury they'll blast you with their Six Flags.
I'd say it's just natural selection, but that would have more reasonably required them each taking the other out.
noblejoanie = 3:47 pm
unintelligent design?
?
Oh wow. This is a cute and clever idea. An engineer in Michigan is designing playground equipment that can generate power. Seesaws, for instance. That's a clever idea. It might not produce much, but maybe enough.
...but he was riding a bike by the shop and a cop went by, slowed down, and made a motion with his hand of shooting a gun at him.
Egads.
OT, but tonight is the sci-fi double feature of "Tornado" with Bruce Campbell and "Tidalwave" or something with no one we've ever heard from.
Should be fun.
An engineer in Michigan is designing playground equipment that can generate power.
Little ones have incredible energy. But this idea seems at bit odd.
A bit?!
"Tidalwave" or something with no one we've ever heard from
my favorite Joe Bob Briggs comment is still the "Starring nobody you've ever heard of before".
SciFi tends to have a lot of movies like that.
Good Grief
California Army National Guard troops sought unauthorized, off-the-books "rent" from Iraqi-owned businesses inside Baghdad's Green Zone to raise money for a "soldiers fund," military officials and sources within the troops' battalion said Friday.
The disclosure is the latest to emerge from a wide-ranging investigation into the conduct of the 1st Battalion of the 184th Infantry Regiment of the Guard, which is headquartered in Modesto.
Military officials had confirmed previously that the battalion's commander, Lt. Col. Patrick Frey, had been suspended and that one of the battalion's companies, based in Fullerton, had been removed from patrol duties and restricted to an Army base south of Baghdad.
According to military officials and members of the battalion, soldiers from the battalion's Bravo Company, which is based in Dublin, an East Bay suburb of San Francisco, approached several businesses earlier this year that were owned and operated by Iraqi nationals.
California Army National Guard troops sought unauthorized, off-the-books "rent" from Iraqi-owned businesses inside Baghdad's Green Zone to raise money for a "soldiers fund," military officials and sources within the troops' battalion said Friday.
Wasn't shit like this what helped motivate the American Revolution?
I also understand there are soldiers billeting themselves in houses in Falluja, much to the locals' annoyance.
Anyone familiar with Harry Harlowe's work on sensory deprivation in baby monkeys, how desperate they were for any kind of physical contact they'd cling to a wire form with a bit of terry cloth on it? This is the Primate Center.
noblejoanie
yes I remember studying that, but it was many yrs old when I was in college in the early 70's.
SciFi tends to have a lot of movies like that.
Especially lately.
I loves me some Bruce Campbell though.
The U.S. is their piggy bank.
Unleaded regular gas is up to $2.41 here.
I've noticed fewer RV's this summer. Way fewer. And none with out-of-state license plates.
Whatever. Vacation at home. Keep the money there.
Santorum say on Booknotes that when he first entered Congress he thought he could work with Dems and find compromise. He no longer believes that.
then the snivelling, snotsucking, scumlicking shitweasel should fucking RESIGN...
It is his fucking JOB to compromise...he's not elected to represent the GOPhascisti in Pennsylvania...he's in the Senate to represent ALL the people of Pennsylvania...
his house needs surrounded with thousands of torch-wielding, pitch-fork-shaking contstituents who are NOT in the wingnut orbit and remind the mutherfocker of his duties; and require of him, if they are too stringent, to resign them for someone who understands the workings of the republican system of government better...
sweet-fucking-jeezis-
isn't it time for a tar-and-feathers party yet???
I also understand there are soldiers billeting themselves in houses in Falluja, much to the locals' annoyance.
Oh good grief.
"we're here to liberate you!! In the mean time, give us your house and a little money for our soldier's fund."
Perhaps, Hecate. But he also doesn't like people bothering him and has rage issues. So maybe it won't affect him, maybe it will.
again from Juan Cole's Informed Comment:
"Al-Zaman reports that US troops are billeted in 1700 homes in Fallujah. The newspaper says that owners are largely refusing to accept rent, and just want the soldiers out of their homes."
(just for when the inevitable jerkass troll demands a link for proof)
Could we get a permit
to tar-and-feather Santorum in effigy at eschcon???
street theater...make a huge, costumed, bacchanalian revel of it?
and film it...
waddayasay, A???
.
Is it any wonder they hate our fucking guts?
I also understand there are soldiers billeting themselves in houses in Falluja, much to the locals' annoyance.
Isn't this what the third amendment addresses?
O.T. RAIN DAMNIT. (sorry) I've been hearing thunder for 5 hrs, we're 8 in. down on rain this yr. I built a hydraulic ram pump to make a waterfall, but the creek's be nerly dry for 2 mos..
Just let it go.
"isn't it time for a tar-and-feathers party yet???"
-.- .. .-.. .-.. -- .! (aka W
Only if the "real" thing shows up.
When did you change your name to Braille, or is that Morse code?
"Everyone knows terrorists are bad" - Atrios.
Hmmmmm
something about the Constitution?
or was it the American Revolution?
"Al-Zaman reports that US troops are billeted in 1700 homes in Fallujah. The newspaper says that owners are largely refusing to accept rent, and just want the soldiers out of their homes."
That's, ummmmm lemmme seeeee here....
yeah, that's it...
the Third Amendment....
it's unCOnstitutional to billet troops in the homes of USer civilians...
but since the Iraqis don't really have a Constitution yet, well, what the fuck are they gonna do about it anyway???
yeah, fuck 'em....this hearts and minds stuff? just crap...bullshit... they don't like us for shit, so just fuck 'em
.
Third Amendment to the Consitution:
"No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."
but I guess it's different when it's "hadjis" or it's different after 9/11 or something like that...
It's Morse Code
the last line of Johnny Got His Gun...
a novel about the institutional care and feeding of the wounded invalids in WW I...
"Kill me"
.
Poopie.
.
We're billeting soldiers in their homes? Just fucking great. We are now the British. Great.
but since the Iraqis don't really have a Constitution yet, well, what the fuck are they gonna do about it anyway???
as the man says, they can always use ours... not like we're getting a lot of use out of it these days
1watt, major thunderstorm predicted for here. Supposedly, hail the size of marbles and "cloud to ground" lightning. Never heard that term used before.
At the moment, distant thunder and the sky is darkening.
isn't it time for a tar-and-feathers party yet???
let's have a leiberfuck and santorum party, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
i'm not exactly joking.
as i told my sister the other day, who was most sanguine about bush, "fuck that, i want my country back."
and also i agree this incident was two rednecks out of control, but there is a real underlying tension permeating the discourse, evidence say, novak, etc...
one more thing, mostly for trolls. the war, right or wrong, should have or shouldn't have, is now lost, and that is bush's fault. he rushed in with his pants down around his ankles, tripped and bollixed the entire operation, but good. MORAL FUCKWIT.
Cog's a terrorist.
"Everyone knows terrorists are bad" - Atrios.
except when they're contras or mujiahdeen in which case douchebags like Cog will defend them as "freedom fighters" and excuse whatever atrocities they commit.
WGG,
What if we get an effigy of Santorum, and then we cast a circle, Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and then we raise energy and then we... Nah, wouldn't be prudent.
Cog's a terrorist.
Cog's a fuckwit.
During the Early Reformation the Protestants (the reformers or "left" of the day) violently attacked Catholic images (statues, catherdrals, etc.). The conservative Catholics (who were less articulate, on the whole) violently attacked the Protestants.
Cog is nothing if you don't respond.
the last line of Johnny Got His Gun...
a novel about the institutional care and feeding of the wounded invalids in WW I...
one of the great anti-war novels, right up with All Quiet on The Western Front, which was also about WW I.
But history? Who wants to learn from history when you can just create your own reality?
RE Polar bears: If there was a reduced chance of survival, wouldn't a species INCREASE the rate of reproduction to insure some survival? I mean it may seem counter intuitive to social humans (especially Santorum), but if an animal feels it is insured that it's genes would be carried on (such as animals in a zoo that get food everyday and have no predators), their rate of reproduction seems to go down. But if there was a sub-conscious lack of confidence that any progeny would survive, I think the rate might go up to try to better the odds.
I may be completely full of shit and spelling errors, but this seems objectively logical to me. (I am a chemist who used to mock the biologists who now get all the neat jobs.)
one more thing, mostly for trolls. the war, right or wrong, should have or shouldn't have, is now lost, and that is bush's fault. he rushed in with his pants down around his ankles, tripped and bollixed the entire operation, but good. MORAL FUCKWIT.
charle
And now they're screaming about weapons coming across the borders, that's bullshit. Rummy left all of the amrouries unguarded and allowed 380,000 tons of explosives to be removed. Spread the lies to cover their asses.
And now they're screaming about weapons coming across the borders, that's bullshit.
lying about it not only to cover their own fuckups but also to set the stage for the attack(s) on Iran.
We don't have tents? We can't build Quonset huts? Why in the name of all that is holy and all that is profane are we billetting troops in the homes of Iraqi citizens? So little children still in diapers can tell their grandchildren stories about how the rude American oppressors took over their homes and dishonored their mothers and made their sisters move out of their own bedrooms? Goddess! Anyone ever tells me that competence doesn't matter in a president is going to get punched in the mouth before I have a chance to think better of it.
Peter, Peter, Peter,........Don't you know that the only thing we learn from history is that we don't?
Bad Art,
Sounds logical to me.
A president wouldn't have to entirely competent if he wasn't surrounded entirely by incompetents.
But there we are.
Why in the name of all that is holy and all that is profane are we billetting troops in the homes of Iraqi citizens?
I didn't read the original story, but I sure as hell hope they're not keeping their dogs there with them.
THAT would be bad.
We can't put them in Saddam's palaces and converted rape rooms and the rooms where all those leaf shredders were? We have to put them in the homes of Iraqi citizens? I would say I was not angry since we came to Iraq, but I'd be lying. But this really pisses me off. I have a tiny little bungalow but it's my sanctuary and I know how I'd feel if it were invaded by some stranger.
A president wouldn't have to entirely competent if he wasn't surrounded entirely by incompetents.
Wasn't that one of the arguments in 2000? Even if w is a dope, Dick is mature and knowledgeable and will be able to help him out. And there were all these supposed adults who had worked for dear old dad who were ready to climb on board. Believe it or not, I took some solace from that line of crap.
so sad, beaten at the draw by the conservative. just feeds wimpy, limp wristed liberal stereotype.
late to thread, so sorry if this is repetitive, but: just because he was against the war doesn't mean he was a liberal. nor does the other guy shooting him for questioning it mean that he was a conservative.
what it DOES indicate is people's readiness in this country to go to fighting words, with potentially lethal results, over rhetoric. and that should give all of us pause - liberal, conservative, radical, whatever.
if we had Kristallnacht in this country, would we recognize it as such? a lot of people, with and without the tinfoil hats, have posited we've already had our Reichstag fire.
i wonder what Dave Neiwert has to say about this story.
may be completely full of shit and spelling errors, but this seems objectively logical to me. (I am a chemist who used to mock the biologists who now get all the neat jobs.)
Bad Art -5:14 pm
i think natural selection would support your hypothesis: more offspring means more chance of adaptive modification...
what troubles me is that there is nothing nature can do...the bears' environment and habitat will be destroyed far faster than they will be able to adapt to the changing conditions, and that is even without factoring in the increasing contact between bears and high-powered-weaponry-packing 'people.'...
someday, probably in my lifetime (i figger, optimistically, another 15 years), somebody will shoot the last polar bear, and the last bengal tiger, and probably the last snopw leopard, and likely the last giant panda, and likely the last great whales, in the wild
in the world,
in the universe,
ever...
what should be their (and our) fate, with such a crime on our plate?
.
Bad Art-
You describing what are known in population biology as r versus k strategies. You can breed like flies in an uncertain environment (r strategy) or invest more in fewer offspring (k strategy). And a number of species -- including humans--will shift strategies counting on environmental conditions. It may explain why humans seem paradoxically to have more offspring if they are in more unstable conditions (ghetto, rampant unemployment, war and pestilence), and have fewer children if they are well off (Japanese and Italian middle class). It does not explain all the variance. (Educating women also lowers birthrate. )
Dear QL in NY,
Yeah, that's what people kept telling me; it didn't matter if the president were a moron. Well, it does matter. It matters a lot. Stupidity has a way of leaking down and corrupting everything that goes on. We'll be paying for not rioting in the street following Bush v. Gore for as long as I'm alive. I'm as guilty as anyone; I should have rioted and I didn't. Sometimes, it's the sins of omission that cost the most.
Does anyone not support the Troops?
The thing about this administration
is that not one of the major players
isn't incompetent, corrupt, nuts
or some combination thereof.
Add compliant Dems and paid-for
press whores and you get
our current,
seemingly endless, national nightmare.
"Who cares about polar bears? We should only keep the animal species that are useful to us. Who's ever eaten a polar bear?"
And we're up against this.
Stupidity has a way of leaking down and corrupting everything that goes on.
I kind of think of Shrub as the toxic groundwater seepage that the EPA used to clean up. Someday, we may be brownfields again, if we're lucky.
QL,
Well I'd argue that educating women makes families better off. I've seen studies somewhere I think that, given a extra dollar of income, women will invest it or spend it on their families where men will spen it on themselves.
"What if we get an effigy of Santorum, and then we cast a circle, Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and then we raise energy and then we... Nah, wouldn't be prudent.
Hecate "
Not that far over the top read this...
Extremists pronounce 'pulsa denura' death curse on PM
By Amiram Barkat, Haaretz Service
A group of extreme-right activists said on Tuesday that they had held a ceremony to place a pulsa denura, a halakhic curse, on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in order to bring about his death.
Michael Ben-Horin, among the organizers of the ceremony, said that in view of the tight security around Sharon, which "is ten times tighter than the security around Hitler and Stalin," no man would be able to kill him.
They had therefore called on the Angels of Destruction to kill Sharon, Ben-Horin said.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
604981.html
RE Polar bears: If there was a reduced chance of survival, wouldn't a species INCREASE the rate of reproduction to insure some survival?
that would have to rely on the bears knowing that their nos. were declining. Unluckily they don't, the reduced ice cover is stressing the population, and that means reduced birth rates. The polar bear population has decreased 17% in the last decade. I originally made that staement as snark thinking that more had read the nyt's op ed page today. (google is your friend)
Does anyone not support the Troops?
Brownbuffalo -5:24 pm
depends...
i support 'em sitting on their hands, in tents, playing video games, writing home, and dissing their officers and non-coms...
i don't support 'em making sweeps through innocent persons' homes, ransacking possessions, randomly slaughtering suspicious characters who wopuldn't bee a danger to the soldiers if the soldiers were where they were supposed to be: in camps, in the USA...
like i said, it depends...
i wonder what Dave Neiwert has to say about this story.
Me too, but evidently he's been in San Juan for the last week & hasn't been able to comment.
I don't see what the big deal is. They're two bubbas with concealed carry permits and itchy trigger fingers. If they hadn't shot each other over Iraq, they would have shot each other over Pepsi vs. Coke.
Martin Luther King, Jr. | 08.06.05 - 3:43 pm
look at the statistics regarding how many people are killed each year by stray bullets. for instance, assholes shooting up in the air on the fourth of july.
personally, i don't give a shit if two bubbas decide to have it out the way they did in the 1700's at ten paces someplace with a lot of sandbags. but in a public place? that's a darwin awards show with potential for collateral damage.
Regarding the third front, about how the fight would have to be taken to the public. I think this is what the Fighting Keyboarders have argued all along. They have to support the war at home, so people will support the troops, so we can win.
What WGG said at 5:27.
I don't support torture.
But my heart goes out to poor 19 year old kids stuck in a stupid war miles from home who thought they were just getting some free computer training and maybe some free college courses. And if you don't think that there are many such kids, you've never taught high school in a poor rural area. Just sayin'
They have to support the war at home, so people will support the troops, so we can win.
not that they would be able to define what "winning" was.
In their mind, winning means killing all the terrorists.
"Who cares about polar bears? We should only keep the animal species that are useful to us. Who's ever eaten a polar bear?"
Who the fuck said this?
that would have to rely on the bears knowing that their nos. were declining. Unluckily they don't
Well we don't know what they know and what they don't. And lower overall birth doesn't mean that individual bears aren't bearing more offspring in response. Whenever we mess around with ecology, there are lots of what Rummy would call unknown unknowns.
My personal favorite troop supporting is a wonderful primitive piece of art I have. It's an exaggerated red chicken - sort of a 'keep on truckin' chicken. It's painted on the reverse of an old shell box. By a Mexican soldier, doing his service, with absolutely nothing more military to occupy him. A better use for the box there could never be. A better use for the soldier it's hard to imagine. For all the 'troops' in all the places, belonging to all the foolish nations who seem to think they're a good thing to have, may they never have any duty more arduous or more threatening, nor anything better to do with ammunition boxes.
That's my support.
They have to support the war at home, so people will support the troops, so we can win
Doesn't work that way.
Obviously.
In their mind, winning means killing all the terrorists.
Seebach | Homepage | 08.06.05 - 5:32 pm | #
Bingo!
Which is totally delusional. Like
there's a finite number of 'em.....
I still say, "original intent" on the 2nd Amendment -- you can own whatever firepower you want... as long as it's muzzle-loading black powder guns.
I'm down with that. Can you see the gang wars: "Lookie here, fucka, I'm gonna smoke yo ass as soon as I get this fuckin' musket ball down the barrel of this blunderbuss! Then we see who be laughin', bitch!"
Big Daddy Mars | 08.06.05 - 3:55 pm
i have always said that war and urban combat would certainly change its face considerably if somehow a nanovirus were released that rendered gunpowder and other explosives inoperative, and people were forced to return to swords, spears and bows and arrows.
can you imagine? bloods and crips throwing down like the capulets and montagues?
if georgie had to go out on horseback in a hot, heavy suit of armor and actually swing a big ungainly broadsword around to pursue his crusade, do you think he'd just go "aw screw it" and go back to crawford?
similarly: not much terrorism without C4, etc.
okay, fantasy over...
that would have to rely on the bears knowing that their nos. were declining. Unluckily they don't
What worries me is the thought that the bears know exactly what's going on.
Sigh.
Are=aren't.
But this really pisses me off. I have a tiny little bungalow but it's my sanctuary and I know how I'd feel if it were invaded by some stranger.
Hecate - Ehrrrrhhhmm.... Not my field of course, but it seems to me there's some history about quartering troops in private homes, and the consequences thereto.
Short version: not good policy.
I agree with the idea of conditional support for the Troops. Also, while I realize that many soldiers "volunteered" for arguably less than voluntary reasons, I have a hard time sympathizing with their situation. I also find the seemingly universal *support* they receive -- even by some of the most out spoken critics of the war in Iraq -- a bit puzzling.
We don't have tents? We can't build Quonset huts? Why in the name of all that is holy and all that is profane are we billetting troops in the homes of Iraqi citizens?
Supply lines are short, hell they can't even secure the road from Bagdad to the airport.
But history? Who wants to learn from history when you can just create your own reality?
Pere Ubu - Excuuuuuuuuuuuse me, I'm trying to make a living here. 'Enkyew.
Brownbuffalo,
In general they're a bunch of poor dumb kids. They didn't start or plan or profit from this war.
"Hey, bubba - watch this!"
(Foxworthy, I believe)
dirk gently
Alternate version: "Hold my beer and watch this!"
I also find the seemingly universal *support* they receive -- even by some of the most out spoken critics of the war in Iraq -- a bit puzzling.
the result of almost 15 years of propaganda equating not supporting the troops with wishing them harm and wishing America's defeat.
Linens.
"In general they're a bunch of poor dumb kids. They didn't start or plan or profit from this war."
I agree; generally speaking that may well be the case. But there also appears to be some troops who like fighting. You know, the kinds that write things on bombs and have "born to kill" tattoos". They too are the Troops.
In general they're a bunch of poor dumb kids. They didn't start or plan or profit from this war.
Hecate -- 5:44 pm
it's interesting how they 'troops' are being portrayed in verious media fora: from PBS to that new show, "over there" (is that a rip-off, or a clever expropriation? 'Over There' is a famous, WWI tin-pan alley celebration and propaganda anthem for the glories of saving the world from war in the war to end war, or some shit...),
anyway, they're showing a lot of hip jingos...
.
I agree; generally speaking that may well be the case. But there also appears to be some troops who like fighting. You know, the kinds that write things on bombs and have "born to kill" tattoos". They too are the Troops.
Brownbuffalo | Email | Homepage | 08.06.05 - 5:50 pm
i used to work at a coffee shop where the manager used to say things like "i want to join the police force so i can beat up homeless people". i think he eventually joined the military, not sure which branch. army maybe.
i think the guy was closeted and overcompensating. my guess is that if he's still alive, he probably owns a military surplus store in the suburbs or something.
Blackwell dismissing registrations on the "wrong" weight paper.
About a week later, he changed his mind and allowed them.
"the result of almost 15 years of propaganda equating not supporting the troops with wishing them harm and wishing America's defeat."
I think its more than 15 years of propaganda, but your point is taken. However, it an extreme situation like combat, when someone killing someone else agruably has no right to be there -- what outcome is a rational person to *wish* for?
Soo, I did not read link and foolishly jumped to a wrong conclusion. I beg the forgiveness of the Eschaton tribunal.
I DID read that link about the curse on Sharon . God I wish we could round up all the religious wack-os from all faiths and put them on 'the plains of Armeggedon' together to blow each other's fucking crazy brains out. Not the decent ones who go to church or temple or mosque cause they hope there is a higher being and want to grow spritiually, but the nut jobs who have absolutely no doubt "Their god" is real and will do anything they believe that higher being tells them to. I honestly wouldn't care how many millions upon millions of Christian, Jewish, Moslem, Hindu (etc etc) fanatics slaughtered each other. Just let them go to their own heavenly retirement village believing they were doing the work of their diety and let the remaining normals of the world try to work things out together. "God knows" how many real problems there are without those proto-homo sapiens around to fuck things up so much more.
California Army National Guard troops sought unauthorized, off-the-books "rent" from Iraqi-owned businesses inside Baghdad's Green Zone to raise money for a "soldiers fund," military officials and sources within the troops' battalion said Friday.
"War is a racket...I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
It looks like nothing has changed since Smedley Butler said that in 1933, except we're being more open about it.
A quarrel between two firearms vendors at a Floyd County flea market on Thursday allegedly led both men -- described as "good friends" -- to draw guns. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq] war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who opposed it, investigators said.
Shows the mentality of the Bushtards in MURKA.
I believe it. The same thing could have happened to me when someone that I had previously thought of as a friend threatened to shoot me because I criticized Bush and the Iraq war.
I'm still avoiding that guy whenever possible.
anonymous
Wonder why the fucker wasn't over there fighting for the retard in the White House!
"Cog is nothing if you don't respond."
I will take the bait.
"except when they're contras or mujiahdeen in which case douchebags like Cog will defend them as "freedom fighters" and excuse whatever atrocities they commit."
So, pointing out something posted on Eschaton was false means I excuse whatever atrocities they committed? Please. Go back to grade school.
I pointed out that the US funded the Pakistani ISI, who in turn directed the funds to heavily Islamist fighters in Afghanistan. I know this from reading about members of the Northern Alliance prior to 9-11, who almost to a man said this would set up even bigger problems in the future.
That is my problem with this site, and those who inhabit it. You are prepared to fling shiot until something sticks reasonably well, be it true or not, and then dance around the fire and chant it to the partisan gods.
Oh, and impeach Bush for all I care. But at least be as critical of the terrorists targeting civilians as you are of Rove, Rumsfeld, and Cheney.
Something Atrios fails at miserably.
"atrios", you're just an idiot.
Cog has yet to offer anything ever but not very well-reasoned opinions and unsupported criticisms. He is either unwilling or incapable (or both) of distinguishing between his personal opinions and objective, verifiable, linkable facts or research. Thus, he makes ridiculous assertions suggesting that Atrios, Kos, et al. somehow hurt the troops, encourage the terrorists, etc. that he has no way of supporting and doesn't even try. That he tries so hard to appear so earnest and cocksure simply makes him laughably sad.
Here's my question for you Cog: assuming all of your opinions are correct, what is your persentage estimate of the negative impact of this blog on, say, the US troops killed this week in Iraq? That is, accounting for all factors that led to their deaths, how big a percentage are we talking here? Similarly, what are your estimates of the percentage impact of our overall policy as determined by BushCo? You may parse that out into the number of civilians killed, the failure to rebuild infrastructure, the wholesale looting of Iraqi assets, the failure to institute some kind of works programs to keep people enployed, the inability to maintain adequate services, the random or systematic acts of brutality or torture, etc. Any way you want to slice it.
Bottom line is: even if everything you assert to be the case were true, how big an influence do you believe it to be, particularly versus the on-the-ground policies of the Bush administration. Let's check out the big brain on Cog with some numbers.
""Harold was talking about the 14 people that were killed in Iraq the other day and Doug said that just as many people were killed on the highways here," Hamman told the paper."
Will someone please send an infusion of commonsense out to these people trying to use the highway death toll as some sort of equivalent.
With this logic, I could kill 14 people without reason and until I matched at least the annual traffic death toll, I should get off scott free.
California Army National Guard troops sought unauthorized, off-the-books "rent" from Iraqi-owned businesses inside Baghdad's Green Zone to raise money for a "soldiers fund," military officials and sources within the troops' battalion said Friday.
So that's what they are doing when they aren't spying on local anti-war protesters: http://tinyurl.com/bzkcl
Sorry, looks like the link got zorched. Here's where it was supposed to go:
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/m...cs/
12300375.htm
"The Schwarzenegger administration and California National Guard are refusing to make public a series of 20 e-mails between two of the governor's spokesmen and a Guard official regarding a Mercury News story in June that revealed the existence of an intelligence-gathering unit."
The nuts are going to get even crazier next year after the midterm elections. They're not going to be able to take the Dem congressiobnal gains. They're not going to slink back into the margins; they're going to redouble their hate and rage.
Hey GN, long time no see.
it's unCOnstitutional to billet troops in the homes of USer civilians...
but since the Iraqis don't really have a Constitution yet, well, what the fuck are they gonna do about it anyway???
Puts me in mind of Robin Williams' line: "let's send them our constitution, we're not using it."
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
- Thomas Jefferson
So fuck the trolls!
""Harold was talking about the 14 people that were killed in Iraq the other day and Doug said that just as many people were killed on the highways here," Hamman told the paper."
Why did Harold even associate with such a stupid fuckweed?
Cog: That is my problem with this site, and those who inhabit it.
Since you have such a problem with us, why stay here?
As we have said before, a dozen or so times, while everyone is worried sick about the "civil war" Bush started in Iraq, we had all better be worried about the one he has started here. This is only the beginning of the insanity.
We are living in dangerous times.I am one liberal who now understands, very well, why the 2nd amendment comes right after the 1st amendment. For the first time in my life, I own a loaded gun.
the media has twisted this in favor of the anti-American in this story
Gary Ruppert
Oh, yeah - opposing an illegal war is anti-American.
You trolls haven't come up with anything original since the 1960s, have you?
"Fire is a failure," Santorum argued. "It doesn't work ... it, in fact, destroys."
dirk gently
"Education is a failure." Santorum argued. "It doesn't work ... it, in fact, destroys."
For the first time in my life, I own a loaded gun.
winterfire
Me too!
This is why I am armed to the teeth. I live in a rural area with only State Police suppport and they take up to 25 minutes to get here.
I write lots of letters to the editor, get into vocal fights, and am known as a left wing asshole to lots of locals. My veteran status only goes so far, and I'm sure on someone's list. I will not go down without returning fire....ever.
Y'spose the antiwar gun dealer had a few unresolved issues about violence?
Something karmic in his lifestyle, perhaps?
Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who supports the [Iraq] war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who opposed it, investigators said.
So, the warfloggers finally win one. It isn't against someone behind 9/11. It isn't against a brown Muslim man. It is against a taxpaying American citizen.
Kind of symbolic of Bush's fucking miserable failure of a crusade.
I live in Knott Co. and I haven't heard this on the local news yet. What's the news source?
Bring it on.
"He is either unwilling or incapable (or both) of distinguishing between his personal opinions and objective, verifiable, linkable facts or research."
From the man who did one keyword search and then called me a liar.
LMFAO!
"Here's my question for you Cog: assuming all of your opinions are correct, what is your persentage estimate of the negative impact of this blog on, say, the US troops killed this week in Iraq?"
That is something completely different than one I stated. But you have shown a propensity for misstating the comments of others, so I am not surprised.
Really, how do you expect to be taken seriously?
That is something completely different than "what" I stated.
Nice try Cog, but I have quoted entire paragraphs from you in the past that demonstrate you're a liar and that I didn't misquote you. Even then you ignore my pleas to support what I directly quote you, with full context, of asserting.
I won't bother again because your refusal to answer even the simplest questions in favor of calling others liars and morons simply confirms you to be intellectually dishonest and disinterested in supporting your ridiculous assertions. Your lame attacks on my credibility do nothing to support your contentions except to verify that you can't.
I do however apologize for my inexplicably atrocious spelling of percentage.
There's a war on; it's right here. Arm yourselves against these right wing fucks. I for one will not be cowed by these scumbags. Let one of these wingers fuck with me and it will not be me lying on the ground!!!
WAKE UP- ARM YOURSELVES AGAINST THESE NAZI BASTARDS
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