I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
uno!
Dos!
Dems, once again throw in the towel when faced with the right-wing noise machine I especially like how Kerrey said the public wont tolerate going to far. I gues outing a CIA agent, smearing 3 war veterans, and saying dems are interested in cuddling terrorist is not going to far, Fucking wimps:
"You could see from Naral pulling their ads down that the public is not going to tolerate going too far," said Bob Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska, who says Democrats will face difficulty if they frame the Roberts nomination solely in terms of abortion rights. "By all accounts it looks like he is going to get confirmed. So they are in a very difficult position."
well, not first, but not last either
I'm at a place called Vertigo!
Oh, shit, that last line in the post is a winner!
Atrios, I think you'd look fine in a purple fedora and a leather trenchcoat.
My God, the writer of the Poorman's illustration needs medication.
Also there is this:
"Some Democrats argue that their senators should not make too much fuss about Judge Roberts so the party can move on to other issues like embryonic stem cell research, the war in Iraq, a leak investigation involving presidential adviser Karl Rove that pack more political punch."
Where have we heard this before. Lets vote for this war so we can move on to economic issues. Lets pass this tax cut and bankrupcy bill, so we can move on to energy issues. Lets pass the energy bill so we can move on to Iraq
Geez
May I be the first to call John Cole a cunt?
May I be the first to call John Cole a cunt?
Atrios, can you tell Michelle Malkin to STFU again?
http://michellemalkin.com/archiv...ives/
003245.htm
Why does this lady enjoy assaulting people who've lost children?
Oh god, I'm going to have that earworm in my head all day now. ARGH!
"enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus"
I read it as Juan Cole, not John Cole, and got massive dognitive dissonance for a second. We apparently have gone, BTW, from a reality-based community to Atrios and his Human Debris. Can I be the keyboard player?
Oh, "in spite of," I think....
The phrases, cannibalized from a zillion forgotten blog rants (MEChA wants to conquor California!! Michael Moore is fat!! John Kerry shot himself!! They did so find the WMDs!!), and sputtered together, at random, until you get something not unlike poetry, but even less unlike the transcript from a nervous breakdown.
Pretty much what Orwell described as "duckspeak" -- just string together the ready-made phrases of invective against your opponents and it rolls out effortlessly, like liquid sewage washing into a river in upstate New York.
LFoD--I couldn't agree more. This kind of wankery is why we lose elections. That, and Diebold.
They sure do like their prostitution metaphors ... "Cindy Sheehan is a whore." "Atrios is a pimp."
I think this is the last time I am going to discuss this issue, because as careful as I have been to not say anything about Cindy personally, the jackasses on the far left are going to distort this post, lie, vilify, and attack anyway, and it just isn’t worth it to me to deal with their bullshit.
And how the fuck could this post be distorted so that it looks anymore batshit insane than it already is?
Best git yo ass off the pipe, man, and I mean like stat!
So if anybody thought that Erick was literally saying that Sheehan fucks people for money, please disabuse yourself of that notion forthwith! He merely meant that she behaves analogously to a whore in her dealings with the media. Please adjust your views accordingly, and remember to always beware of metaphors.
Brilliantly funny writing. But it is truly pathetic that idiots make it necessary.
I always know that when I'm struck by a topic or comment, and furrow my brow to compose a long-winded meditation upon it, that at least two new threads will have appeared when I finally "publish". Most vexing!
Of course, I am constantly in trouble at work because I have a production job that involves writing, and I have been repeatedly urged to the point of disciplinary action to stop getting behind because of my compulsion to be wordy and detailed.
Thus, I am a living refutation of Intelligent Design. Surely the Designer would appreciate my inconvenient approach and allow me to prosper, instead of justifiably perishing because I am unable or unwilling to adapt.
John Cole doesn't project much, does he?
That's a great article The Poor Man is making fun of. I'm very pleased to hear that the masses are blinded by hatred of Bush!!!
res ipsa--they're familiar with those metaphors; it's the only way they ever have sex.
Little Brother-
So your belief in ID will keep you from going extinct in your job./snark
Great post by the Poor Man.
However,
Taking songs and modifying them to make political points is something you'd never catch me doing on my blog.
Sallyh ... On an entirely different note ... the GREAT tomatoes have arrived! Bring on the BLTs! And the tomato sauce! And pasta with eggplant and tomatoes. And tomatoes with olive oil and basil!
Are we really, really sure that this "John Cole" person isn't really Brian Hardig? He sounds a lot like him....
I'm really glad Level 50 No-Backsies Force Field are back in vogue. I was getting ready to sell mine on eBay.
They sure do like their prostitution metaphors ... "Cindy Sheehan is a whore." "Atrios is a pimp."
res ipsa loquitur
It's a world view. One sees others through the lens of one's own perception.
Taking songs and modifying them to make political points is something you'd never catch me doing on my blog.
We'd also never, ever, ever call you a whore.
Taking songs and modifying them to make political points is something you'd never catch me doing on my blog.
We'd also never, ever, ever call you a whore.
res--they have indeed. I bought some from the farm and made homemade pasta sauce, bruschetta, cucumber and tomato salad, and whatever comes next, I'll make it 
Sallyh
Here is the "liberal" NYT yet again in an editorial telling a liberal group to apologize:
"If Naral Pro-Choice America wants to regain credibility after its 30-second TV spot linking Judge John Roberts Jr. with abortion clinic violence, it should start with an apology."
Did the NYT ask the RNC to apologize for trashing Cleland and Hackett? Did the NYT ask Bush to apologize for swift boating Kerry? Did the NYT ask Santorum to apologize for his Nazi comparison? Did Rove apologize for saying liberals want to cuddle with terrorist. At some point there is going to have to be a coordinated effort from liberal groups to point out every time they engage in IOKIYARism.
Attaturk--oh yes, and you never blogwhore, either
We apparently have gone, BTW, from a reality-based community to Atrios and his Human Debris. Can I be the keyboard player?
If spinoza gets to play keyboard, may I stand off on the side and glower?
And then he whines that the mean old lefties are going to smack him because he called Mrs. Sheehan a whore. They are always the victim.
Atrios and his Human Debris. Can I be the keyboard player?
Ferrets on bongos, and Ntodd podcasting on the beat box!
Oh, my God, I really needed that laugh.
A.
re: hatred of Bush.
I want presidents and congresscritters to succeed in making our country a livable, equitable place. I want them to be successful in implementing policies that improve life for all residents. I want them to be sober and thoughtful.
My hatred of Bush stems from his failure to accomplish any of the above, so I would hardly consider it blind.
Atrios, if we've learned anything from "Hustle and Flow," its that you can turn your pimping lifestyle into something positive and get yourself up out of the ghetto.
Given the ongoing meltdown and increasingly irrational behavior of the rightards, it seems pretty clear that things are going to get a whole lot worse in this country before any real improvement. This does not look good.
There is a pretty depressing WaPO article up -- "Democrats Conflicted on Playing Rough" -- on the decision to pull the NARAL ad. Here is a taste:
David Sirota, a former congressional aide who is forming a group of liberal state legislators, said the behavior has been learned. "Washington Democrats are afraid of their own shadow," he said. "They've internalized all the Republican attacks and made it part of their psychology. It's like if you're a kid and you've been bullied you begin to think you're a wimp."
Atrios and his Human Debris.
Didn't they have a hit a while back with "Don't You Want Me, Baby?"
We apparently have gone, BTW, from a reality-based community to Atrios and his Human Debris. Can I be the keyboard player?
If spinoza gets to play keyboard, may I stand off on the side and glower?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
I wanna be like Brian Eno in Roxy Music and play weird noises on electronics. May I? May I, please? I will be ever so good. Please?
Failing this, you deserve whatever you get, and anybody who calls you a whore is protected by a Level 50 No-Backsies Force Field.
OMG, this is hilarious. Gotta go finish reading.
I'm saving this to read every time georgie does something else that makes me want to cry.
Attaturk--oh yes, and you never blogwhore, either
Sallyh
Oh "blogwhore" is such a nasty word for it albeit accurate
Did the NYT ask the RNC to apologize for trashing Cleland and Hackett? Did the NYT ask Bush to apologize for swift boating Kerry?
The only "out" for the NYT in those cases would be to claim that those cases were part of an election cycle, and therefore a different case.
Sure as hell this is is different case. Roberts isn't going in for a two, four or six-year position - his appointment is for life. And I think we're perfectly justified to be critical of him for that single reason.
OT: Squeaky Johnson's favorite poster on LGF Iron "lobsterboy" Fist, holds forth:
#67 Iron Fist 8/13/2005 09:28AM PDT
Let's speak a little truth to power. The Clinton Administration knowingly allowed the al Qaeda terrorist cell headed by Mohammed Atta to operate in the United States because Bill Clinton was afraid that any negative publicity associated with arresting them would hurt Hillary's chance at being elected President.
9-11 happened so that Hillary could possibly be President. This must not be forgotten.
None of the lizards disagreed.
Remember, John Cole is a 'reasonable conservative', which means that he's allowed to question Dear Leader and call Cindy Sheehan a media whore, unlike filthy liberals.
Obviously, he knows something we don't: that Cindy Sheehan is being held against her will in Crawford by Michael 'Fat' Moore and Mr M. OveOn.
LFoD--the idea that liberals should 'apologize' for trying to improve life in this country is beyond preposterous.
I do not apologize for my POV, which is, above all, first, do no harm.
Our smack is so fresh, it's so on time. Gimme a pound.
(Anybody else love Any Given Sunday? Bueller? Just me? Okay)
A.
"Beneath John Cole's powerful writing is the archetypal shadow of the sad clown, a tragically misunderstood comic genius only the French can truly appreciate.
Given time to develop his craft, and the skilled hand of a disciplined editor, Cole may one day become the Jerry Lewis of right wing bloggers."
-Stinky's Literary Review
Atrios and his Human Debris. Can I be the keyboard player?
Ferrets on bongos, and Ntodd podcasting on the beat box!
Yeah, baybay! And I wouldn't mind being lead tambourine and maybe doing some vocals.
And may I please have the honor of tending the bar? I promise to share.
Squeaky Johnson is a poor student of history. Apparently Clinton was obsessed with locating bin Laden, and one of the great disappointments of his presidency was not capturing him.
Bill Clinton was afraid that any negative publicity associated with arresting them would hurt Hillary's chance at being elected President.
Iron Fistula must be eating the mercury-infused shrimp at Red Lobster.
Besides, Erick apologized, which I said was very decent of him. End of story, right?
Wrong.
As for Malkin, maybe we should start writing to newspapers who publish her tripe and ask them if they are comfortable publishing the ravings on a woman who is trashing a Gold Star Mother. Malkin seems to really be going off the deep end over Cindy Sheehan and her blog is turning into Hate Cindy 24/7.
Mer--I have the mimosas and bloodys at the ready, and some delicious French toast, bacon and blueberries. You're welcome to serve
Oh "blogwhore" is such a nasty word for it albeit accurate
It's not 'blogwhoring'. It's 'marketing ideas'.
Oh "blogwhore" is such a nasty word for it albeit accurate
It's not 'blogwhoring'. It's 'marketing ideas'.
The best thing about that idiot's post is that he was so obviously enraged when he wrote it. I figure if he's that pissed off somebody (in this case Cindy Sheehan and her pimp, Atrios) must be doing something right.
Attaturk--you know we love you when you're sleazy, right?
Bill Clinton was afraid that any negative publicity associated with arresting them would hurt Hillary's chance at being elected President.
I'm still scratching my head over this one . . . just way too many crazy folks out there.
Okay, but I get to write our E! True Hollywood Story, and I have a feeling your leadership is going to lead to an unfortunate costume decision right after my heroin habit gets out of control, and we'll end up breaking up on stage at the Pullman's Corners Fall Festival, right after Atrios sings "Smoke On The Water."
Plus, and I don't want to speak ill of the furballs here, but the ferrets' drinking could be an issue. Single malt is expensive on the road.
A.
...they are the focus of my anger- pimps like Atrios, who cynically take the regrettable phrase ‘media whore,’ and render it into more fodder for the masses...
I have absolutely no idea what this prick is trying to say here. Is he complaining that someone has taken the phrase "media whore" and twisted it into an insult? Is he upset that the term "media whore" has now been sullied and will no longer be sprinkled freely in the laughing conversation of grade school kids on the playground? Of course, with all the spread-eagle shots Atrios has been posting recently, I can see why Brownshirt J is calling him a "pimp"...
If spinoza gets to play keyboard, may I stand off on the side and glower?
GWPDA-We could do a four-hands rendition of "May the Eagle Soar"
Wow, isn't Cole supposed to be one of the normal, non-gibbering conservatives? From that rant, it sounds like he'd feel right at home with Fred Phelps, the LGFers, and the Klansmen who seem to run his party...
They sure do like their prostitution metaphors ... "Cindy Sheehan is a whore." "Atrios is a pimp."
well, it's always about the sex, innit?
a giant anus weeping tears of laughter? that's william burroughs imagery, isn't it?
it's kinda funny, cuz i'm currently at a cafe called the Bad Ass Coffee Company.
talking of assholes and being at place with ass in the name is kinda neat.
even if the place is horribly trendy.
I'm still scratching my head over this one . . . just way too many crazy folks out there.
That post by the loonie lobsterboy made no fucking sense whatsoever.
No hope for that one. He was obviously dropped on his head one too many times.
Does anyone have a Crawford update?
I have the mimosas and bloodys at the ready, and some delicious French toast, bacon and blueberries.
I'll bring the cow eggs!
Can anyone more familiar with the "career" of John Cole tell me where he stands on issues please? I went to his Balloon Juice blog and couldn't make heads or tails out of where he actually stands on things. I know he's been linked a few times at antiwar.com, so I'd thought him antiwar.
But I didn't follow the links--he to me was the guy who shouldn't be confused with Juan Cole. Is he some Libertarian or something? I don't get him or his perspective.
Malkin seems to really be going off the deep end over Cindy Sheehan and her blog is turning into Hate Cindy 24/7.
When it's not "Air Enron Ripped Off The Kids 24/7." Malkin's out of her fuckin' mind anyway; she was one of the first to start up with the "Left Big Pimpin' Cindy" deal.
Again--too many crazy people. Need to put them away somewhere, and like now.
Attaturk--you know we love you when you're sleazy, right?
Sallyh
Thanks, good thing I'm a slut at heart. I think it all goes back to showering with the Dad.
seaxneat--I won't hold trendy against a place if the coffee is kickass good.
what kind of duds does an anger-pimp wear? leather pants and wife-beater T-shirts? hyphenated clothing only?
maybe John Cole is a tad sore from all the bitch slapping he and his pals have been getting from "the masses" lately?
Wow, isn't Cole supposed to be one of the normal, non-gibbering conservatives? From that rant, it sounds like he'd feel right at home with Fred Phelps, the LGFers, and the Klansmen who seem to run his party...
well, you know, push em hard enough and the true colors come shining through, ya know?
in this case, a mother demanding answers seems to pushed them over the edge. maybe because it fucks with their narrative?
res,
Yous write
"It's like if you're a kid and you've been bullied you begin to think you're a wimp."
THINK you're a wimp? Face it dems are scared of everybody. Why is it that no matter how outrageous a claim or ad is, the republicans NEVER, back down or apologize. Dems, conversely, ALWAYS find a reason to back down, apologize and stab a fellow dem in the back. With the same type of behavior, I dont see how the dems are going to win in '06. Any thing hard-edged or controversial will be pulled, and the dems will spned most of their time apologizing or telling other dems to apologize.
I am waiting for these nutcases to claim that Sheehan and Bill Clinton have had an affair.
I wanna be like Brian Eno in Roxy Music and play weird noises on electronics.
I think he was offically listed as playing "treatments".
Attaturk--I just washed these jammies, which now have coffee on them from spurting through my nose.
Mrs. Ibrahim--I'm thinking they wear whatever's on sale at Walmart.
Atrios and his Human Debris. Can I be the keyboard player?
Ferrets on bongos, and Ntodd podcasting on the beat box!
Since I have no musical ability whatsoever can I be the business manager?
And I'm still cleaning coffee off the keyboard from 'enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus'.
seaxneat--I won't hold trendy against a place if the coffee is kickass good.
so far so good, though i am getting sick of people thinking i am some sort of freak for drinking my coffee black.
i should start explaining that italians laugh at our american habit of having breakfast drinks all day long. (cappucini, that is)
The Poor Man is a national treasure. And not in the crappy-Nick-Cage-movie sense of the term.
Can anyone more familiar with the "career" of John Cole tell me where he stands on issues please?
He used to troll here back in '03. I never read his rants then, and I haven't taken up the habit since he quit posting here.
Can anyone more familiar with the "career" of John Cole tell me where he stands on issues please?
Corporate conservative with a libertarian bent. Not impressed by the Dobson crowd that he empowered by voting for Dear Leader, Bringer Of Tax Cuts, and incapable of admitting he was a rube w/r/t Operation Iraqi Clusterfuck.
Bill Clinton was afraid that any negative publicity associated with arresting them would hurt Hillary's chance at being elected President.
Negative publicity? WTF is he *talking* about???
Wow, isn't Cole supposed to be one of the normal, non-gibbering conservatives?
That bullshit comes from the Kos site, who, for some reason, have given RedState a pass for some time now.
However, Brownshirt J is well-known in these here parts as one of the earlier moronic brownshirt fucks. And the person above who noted some "stylistic" similarities to some of our more recent wingnuts is probably on to something...
You cant blame Malkin for her garbage; after all, dogs lick their asses-that what they do. I blame the Dems for not making it harder for repubs to go beyond the pale, like they are used to doing. It all started with Rush calling Chelsea a dog, then continued with Max Cleland being compared to Osama. Then we had the purple band-aids at the convention. Where were the Dems during all of this? Every one of them should have made the sunday talk shows talke about this shit. But instead they ignored it and wimped out.
Eli--I don't know what he's talking about, but what's tonight's movie?
Sallyh ... You have a recipe in your email.
I am waiting for these nutcases to claim that Sheehan and Bill Clinton have had an affair.
Actually, Bill raped Cindy, which drove her to become an anti-American lebsian. Then she had a torrid affair with Hillary.
I am waiting for these nutcases to claim that Sheehan and Bill Clinton have had an affair.
Actually, Bill raped Cindy, which drove her to become an anti-American lebsian. Then she had a torrid affair with Hillary.
The freepers are supposed to be protesting in Crawford right now, noon C.T.
res--multo grazie!
SallyH, haven't seen any updates today about Cindy, but I read this in her Kos diary yesterday:
Three active duty soldiers from Ft. Hood came to visit me and tell me that they really appreciated what I was doing and that if they were killed in the war, their moms would be doing the same thing. That made me feel so good after all of the negativity I had been hearing from the righties. I also got to hold a couple of toddlers on my lap while their mom or dad took pictures of us. I am honored that people have resonated with the action that I took to make our mission of ending the war a reality.
Actually, Bill raped Cindy, which drove her to become an anti-American lebsian. Then she had a torrid affair with Hillary.
Isn't this the plot for Lynn Cheney's next novel?
Atrios and his Human Debris.
Can I design the album covers. I always wanted to be Hipgnosis!
Malkin seems to really be going off the deep end over Cindy Sheehan and her blog is turning into Hate Cindy 24/7.
Cindy is the #1 biggest threat to Bush's credibility and manhood, probably ever. Discrediting her is the Right's absolute number one priority right now.
That, and trying to coax Patrick Fitzgerald into a small plane.
pie--she's a class act all the way. There is no way the wingers can even hope to emulate that sort of class.
en we had the purple band-aids at the convention. Where were the Dems during all of this? Every one of them should have made the sunday talk shows talke about this shit. But instead they ignored it and wimped out.
and look what happened when hackett actually started talking tough? sure, he still lost, but he did far better than anyone thought.
if dems want to "talk" to conservatives, they need to grow abs, cuz most americans like a little intestinal fortitude.
Actually, Bill raped Cindy, which drove her to become an anti-American lebsian. Then she had a torrid affair with Hillary.
NTodd
Well, sheesh. That explains *everything*.
More proof of Dem wimpery from the WP:
"The decision by the abortion rights group NARAL Pro-Choice America to pull an incendiary ad attacking President Bush's nominee to the Supreme Court has produced a fresh round of recriminations within the Democratic Party and a return to a nagging question: Has the opposition lost its nerve?"
Amid similar criticism against another controversial ad, most Republicans brushed aside demands to repudiate Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that had taken aim at John F. Kerry's war record. Some Democrats said the difference revealed on their side an ambivalence about modern political combat that helps explain why their party is out of power.
"Republicans don't mind running an ad that's entirely false, but Democrats have never learned, and I'm not sure many of them want to learn, how to play that kind of politics," said Robert Shrum, an adviser to several Democratic presidential campaigns. NARAL had to pull the ad, he said, because "they weren't getting support from any substantial quarter."
can i be the band lawyer? or play bass (badly)?
Three active duty soldiers from Ft. Hood came to visit me and tell me that they really appreciated what I was doing and that if they were killed in the war, their moms would be doing the same thing.
Oh, I suspected that yer actual soldiers would be much more likely to offer support than join in the ClearChannel/Freeper shit.
from the comments section at Cole's site (which, btw, has an excellent compare and contrast from bkny) we get this kind of idiocy:
These left-wing bloggers—Poorman, atrios, kos—are, quite simply, out of control. How can it be that spewing this kind of anti-American filth is allowed while we are at war? I am sure that the FEC or the Attorney General’s office could shut them down. Why haven’t they? This is underming the war agasint terror—words have effects. Free speech must be used responsibly.
I am simply disgusted by what is going on in the far left blogosphere right now. Something must be done about this.
"When conservatives complained about the ad -- which suggested that nominee John G. Roberts Jr. condoned violence against abortion clinics -- a number of prominent liberals joined in the criticism and elected Democrats ran for cover rather than defend the ad, which was dropped."
Do a I smell a Dem loss in '06, even though repubs are extremely unpopular?
Atrios the pimp. I can't count how many times I've seen Duncan, or "Blackie," as we call him in the hood, rolling around in his drop-top Caddy. Hittin' switches and makin' big dollas. Holla, Blackie! Holla!
Oh, I suspected that yer actual soldiers would be much more likely to offer support than join in the ClearChannel/Freeper shit.
my army captain friend has noticed a slight shift in the support of the prez. not so many are blindly supporting him now. in fact there was even an anti-war editorial cartoon in the "Army Times" a couple of months back.
"Bill Clinton was afraid that any negative publicity associated with arresting them would hurt Hillary's chance at being elected President."
Let's see. Clinton arrests a bunch of people involved in a conspiracy to kill thousands of people and this nutcase thinks this would be negative publicity. And now they are trying to claim that Sandy Berger was stuffing this info about these people into his socks. And of course, they conveniently forget that Bush had nearly eight months to act on all this and did nothing.
Eli--I don't know what he's talking about, but what's tonight's movie?
Tonight is the space-aliens-eating-people-on-a-train movie.
can i be the band lawyer? or play bass (badly)?
You'll have to ask flory. She's business manager.
So who's going to get 'Pete Bested' in this band?
can i be the band lawyer? or play bass (badly)?
You'll have to ask flory. She's business manager.
So who's going to get 'Pete Bested' in this band?
Free speech must be used responsibly.
ah, i keep forgetting about that little phrase in the First Amendment. Written in invisible ink, it is, and it only becomes visibile during times of war. apparently it is visible to fascists only.
Eli--now that's quality entertainment. I'm so totally there.
can i be the band lawyer? or play bass (badly)?
You'll have to ask flory. She's business manager.
flory? can i please? huh? please? pretty please?
Free speech must be used responsibly.
Tell that to the Bush administration, Johnny boy.
What a freaking fool.
attaturk... thanks for the wonderful laugh. killer
man i likey
I loved this line from the Kos diary:
I came here so angry and I have been so encouraged and overwhelmed by the support from all over. I was thinking that there is no reason for us progressive liberals to be angry anymore. We have the power.
People sometimes overlook the last bit of the first amendment -- 'or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.' -- but I think it's possibly more important than the first bits.
Eli--I don't know what he's talking about, but what's tonight's movie?
Tonight is the space-aliens-eating-people-on-a-train movie.
Shit. We got Sci-fi shut off here last night by Comcast. Fuck them. Time to get a dish.
Sexneet,
"and look what happened when hackett actually started talking tough? sure, he still lost, but he did far better than anyone thought."
This is why my libertarian friends dont respect dems. They wnat someone who will stand up for their positions-no matter how unpopular- and themselves when attacked. Dems do neither and this NARAL ad fiasco, has dems looking even weaker. Watch Biden go on the shows tommorrow denouncing this add. Roberts will now be confirmed no matter what.
Joey needs to return to his 'Hooked on Phonics' lesson.
The first amendment does not guarantee the right for Ntodd to yell "Pants on Fire" in a crowded blog... just sayin.
Big Daddy--hey, get the dish--satellite rocks.
And you can get the whole thing liveblogged here.
'or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.'
"I am the Government"
wasn't it Delay who said that?
an orgy of group think, vitriol, and anti-Bush fervor
kind of makes me want to sign up for Eschacon.
Big Daddy--hey, get the dish--satellite rocks.
And you can get the whole thing liveblogged here.
I'm gonna do that before the week's out.
This is why my libertarian friends dont respect dems.
But they respect th thugs, right?
We're having a discussion about Cindy Sheehan here. Got something to say about that, by any chance?
1Watt--oh, do sign up!
It's what the Left Coast Women are doing!
"I am the Government"
wasn't it Delay who said that?
Yep, that was The Bugman.
The first amendment does not guarantee the right for Ntodd to yell "Pants on Fire" in a crowded blog... just sayin.
Shit.
LFoD:
This is why my libertarian friends dont respect dems. They wnat someone who will stand up for their positions-no matter how unpopular- and themselves when attacked.
i've suspected as much. americans tend to be "is that so? prove it" types. you don't have to be violent, just respectable.
NTodd-or that either
GWPDA-We could do a four-hands rendition of "May the Eagle Soar"
spinoza - Just so long as it doesn't interrupt the glowering. I think I'm getting really good at that and I want to preserve the effect.
is balloon juice similar to santorum?
-J.T.
freezing platter pore.
Yep, that was The Bugman.
well, shit, that's why the religiofascists hate sheehan. she's protesting against the wrong person!
This is why my libertarian friends dont respect dems.
Nah, it's mainly because they can't have interminable three-hour conversations about the penetrating power of different bullets.
an orgy of group think, vitriol, and anti-Bush fervor
kind of makes me want to sign up for Eschacon.
I wanna know--who's running the Pimp Cup concession?
Goddammit! Redistricting is back on the November ballot for CA.
can i be the band lawyer? or play bass (badly)?
You'll have to ask flory. She's business manager.
This band will need a lawyer - badly.
Musical decisions I leave up to Atrios, the frontman.
spinoza - Just so long as it doesn't interrupt the glowering. I think I'm getting really good at that and I want to preserve the effect.
do you sway, or nod your head or anything in your glowering, or do you just hang off to the side, in the shadows, looking forboding?
I like how Cole says that Cindy Sheehan has no right to make demands of the president.
I'd kinda thought that was the right of any American citizen.
Well, live and learn!
What was that "noble cause," again?
"I am the Government"
wasn't it Delay who said that?
Yep, that was The Bugman.
I thought it was Louis Quatorze...
This band will need a lawyer - badly.
does this mean i have the job?
I think he was offically listed as playing "treatments".
dave™©®
Liner notes for the first RM album and "For Your Pleasure" say "Eno -- Synthesiser and Tapes."
Shit. We got Sci-fi shut off here last night by Comcast. Fuck them. Time to get a dish.
Big Daddy Mars
Not that's just not right.
an orgy of group think, vitriol, and anti-Bush fervor
kind of makes me want to sign up for Eschacon.
I thought we were calling the event a 'Toga-optional Discussion of Philosophy, Sci-fi and Brewing Techniques'...?
yea pie,
they repsect the repubs because they fight for their unpopular ideas. I mean even SS is still out there. In regards to CS, republicans know that they can go beyond the pale to attack whoever gets in their way with repercusions from the media nor the dems, so why should they care? What I am saying is that it is the dems fault that the repubs are so crazy. Dems never drew a line in the sand when they had the opportunity. Anybody who disagrees with the repubs, will be smeared with impunity-even Jesus.
GWPDA-I am sure your glower is a "saintly glow" (36 down in today's NYT crossword. The answer is "aureole," which seems rather nipplish for a saint).
do you just hang off to the side, in the shadows, looking forboding?
seaxneat - I find that a few lank strands of hair unattractively arranged across my face add to a good glower, but otherwise I rely on projecting contempt and ire more than anything.
do you sway, or nod your head or anything in your glowering, or do you just hang off to the side, in the shadows, looking forboding?
Do you really explore the space?
I got a fever! And the only cure is more glowering!
More dme wimpery:
"The NARAL case was the latest incident to provoke Democratic recriminations. In June, Democrats demanded that Bush aide Karl Rove apologize for saying that liberals wanted "therapy and understanding for our attackers." Rove refused to apologize, and Republicans leapt to his defense. Just before the Rove episode, Republicans demanded an apology from Richard J. Durbin (Ill.), the number two Democrat in the Senate, who likened U.S. treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo Bay to techniques used by Nazis. Democrats joined in criticizing Durbin, who eventually delivered a tearful apology on the Senate floor.
Republicans say that they have been no more severe or dishonest in their rhetoric than the Democrats, and that they are no more apt to circle the wagons than Democrats are. "They play as nasty and as dirty as you can," said GOP strategist Grover Norquist, who called the NARAL ad a success because "they got the cheap shot out there."
The first amendment does not guarantee the right for Ntodd to yell "Pants on Fire" in a crowded blog... just sayin.
Shit.
NTodd
Assuming any pants are being worn, that is.
seaxneat - I find that a few lank strands of hair unattractively arranged across my face add to a good glower, but otherwise I rely on projecting contempt and ire more than anything.
oh, this is fantastic! so intense in your contempt, that you don't even notice that you are slightly unkempt.
this band is gonna kick ass!
This is why my libertarian friends dont respect dems.
Nah, it's mainly because they can't have interminable three-hour conversations about the penetrating power of different bullets.
as someone who's known more than a few Libertarians like this, *snicker*
(you seem to run into them a lot in the SF/RPG/wrgaming world)
LFoD - okay, okay, we get the fucking hint. Why don't you start your own damn blog?
Assuming any pants are being worn, that is.
If not, would it be autoerotic-de-fe?
LFoD--Grover Norquist is a pathological liar.
does this mean i have the job?
seaxneat (Band Lawyer???)
If you're sure you want it....its all yours.
oh, this is fantastic! so intense in your contempt, that you don't even notice that you are slightly unkempt.
Yes, and then after the show somebody buys me a nice glass of chilled sauvignon blanc and we can all have a good chuckle.
A decade ago, when I first glimpsed the dominant right-wing internet debate "style," my first reaction was "Damn, these guys sound like they have rabies." Their relentless foaming at the mouth both intrigued and repelled me, and I nicknamed them the "right-wing foamers." In IRC chat channels, when the vitriol and irrational spewing rose to dangerously high levels, I'd make remarks like "Warning to all chatters: We're currently experiencing a serious outbreak of right-wing foaming at the mouth, so make sure you've had your rabies shots!" or "Damn, the right-wing foaming at the mouth is bad today -- the foam's almost up to my knees in here!"
So, I gotta give it to Mr. Cole -- he's certainly the Right-Wing Foamer of the Day!
Yes, and then after the show somebody buys me a nice glass of chilled sauvignon blanc and we can all have a good chuckle.
hahahahahaha!
Oh yea, and this one had me on the floor laughing:
A number of Democrats still say the party's best hopes are on the high road. "We have to define the reckless left of our party and differentiate ourselves," said former Clinton aide Lanny Davis, who denounced the NARAL ad. He said such "smear and innuendo" has caused his party to lose recent elections"
Who thinks we are going to pick up seats being nice and fair? Ive got some land to sell you.
they repsect the repubs because they fight for their unpopular ideas
Well, then, your friends aren't too smart, since they fail to see the big picture.
What I am saying is that it is the dems fault that the repubs are so crazy.
Christ on a cracker! You're unbelievable.
If you're sure you want it....its all yours.
yes!
(and now i will pull a john a. malm jr. and register everything partly in my name!)
when you get right down to it, the RIGHTS obsession with cindy is born out of jealousy. she's getting a lot of media attention. whaaa...
it's not like we'll be bugg'n out tomorrow. they'll wait for the constitution, then a respectable period of time, before announcing troop withdrawals to coincide with 06 elections.
and if all goes as planned, WAR with IRAN!!! i really don't understand these right headed retards. they are getting everything they want and they just keep whining.
must hurt to be fucked in the ass, remember that next time you go to pump. OIL baby.
(you seem to run into them a lot in the SF/RPG/wrgaming world)
Oy. Yes, I've had those sort of conversations before with people I know.
i should start explaining that italians laugh at our american habit of having breakfast drinks all day long. (cappucini, that is)
seaxneat (fka PoppieProng)
I agree, I need to put the gin & tonic down.
Little Fuckoff & Die isn't reading a damn thing anyone posts.
And John Cole is still a cunt.
An awful lot of saber rattling re Iran.
Durn it - just when the fun starts, I gotta run.
Ok -- first band rehearsal is Monday 10am.
Wear pants.
In fact, I'd say that lfod's friends are easily led by the nose.
Sad, really.
But Mueller said he never considered pulling the Swift boat ads when Democrats reacted with fury and independent arbiters declared the ads to be misleading. "There was never any question in our minds," he said.
Why is it that no matter how outrageous a claim or ad is, the republicans NEVER, back down or apologize.
Not to excuse the Dem's general wimpiness, but I think the difference in behavior may have something to do with a fundamental difference in the nature of the beast. To wit:
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." -- Bertrand Russell
Another important element is, when the Rethugs metaphorically rub their opponents face in the dirt, who is it really that has to suffer the insult? Minorities, gays, vulnerable women, the poor - people who are far removed from the levers of power.
Conversely, if the Dems collectively suddenly grew balls and starting giving as good as they got, who would they be pissing off? Primarily the very same corporate moneybags they plan on hitting up for contributions at their next fundraiser.
It's the difference between kicking sand in the face of the 98 lb. weakling, versus biting the hand that feeds. Call it a built-in systemic flaw that forces the Dems to be circumspect, while allowing the Repukes to be as outrageous as they please without ever having to worry about suffering any adverse consequences.
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Dammit, Jim! Will there be a single fuckin' day in August that Micro$oft does not issue a security patch for XP?!?
Arrrgh!
I think I've spent two hours this month rebooting and re-acquiring an IP address.
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LFoD--I have a serious question. What would you have us, as liberals, do in order to attain power?
I agree, I need to put the gin & tonic down.
now now, i'm not really saying that people can't drink whatever they want throughout the day. i'm just saying that i shouldn't be treated like i come from mars because i drink my coffee black. that's all.
(and now i will pull a john a. malm jr. and register everything partly in my name!)
seaxneat (Band Lawyer!!!)
And if you wanna keep that cushy gig, you'll make sure the business managers name is on those papers as well.
Oy. Yes, I've had those sort of conversations before with people I know.
usually it's a group of guys who're ostensibly playing something like GURPS or D20:Modern and are instead sitting around arguing about the game effects of the various types of guns and how "unrealistic" they are.
I thought it was Louis Quatorze...
Eli
Oui, vouz avez raison.
"L'etat c'est moi."
1Watt--oh, do sign up!
It's what the Left Coast Women are doing!
Sallyh
Can't don't have a dogs sitter.
said former Clinton aide Lanny Davis
Joe Lieberman supporter Lanny Davis? who cares what some rightwing DINO hack thinks? throw them all in the dustbin of history and let them triangulate themselves into a frenzy of centrism.
Durn it - just when the fun starts, I gotta run.
Ok -- first band rehearsal is Monday 10am.
Wear pants.
flory, Business Manager
I don't care what you say; I will wear a sarong if I want to.
whoooooaaaaaa, Nelly!
Jeff Gannon, who has a damn good NEO CON blog (yes, he is a NEO CON, but he does get the point across) should be a media whore just like the rest of us, not just a 'man whore' (hat tip to John Avarotis, relaxing in paree)
Little Fuckoff & Die isn't reading a damn thing anyone posts.
He certainly has nothing noteworthy to say about the subject of this post.
Still banging that same old tired drum, however. Boring.
and i draw the line at saying that it is all the dems fault that repubs are crazy.
can dems do a better job defending their position? sure, but no surprise there.
but when people are evil, primary responsibility belongs with the evil.
I am reading every comment. But dont see the point of bitching about how mean repubs are to Cindy, when elected dems wont ever call repubs on their shit and fight back. It is as if the dems are playing the world series clean, but all the repubs are on the most effective steroids
Plus, Jeff is paying waaaay to much attention to Cindy. It just adds to her "PR Q" meaning attention is attention any way you slice it.
Jeffraham--Linux.
Attention moonbats:
I have now added video clips (well, one for now actually) from the Cindy Sheehan rally that was held in Phoenix yesterday.
More video to be added as the day progresses.
I don't care what you say; I will wear a sarong if I want to.
I think Omnes is going to be kicked out of the baaaaaannnnnd...
And if you wanna keep that cushy gig, you'll make sure the business managers name is on those papers as well.
hey, no problem! heheheh! (of course, we'll have to keep it quiet, or we'll the pants sued off of us!)
I will wear a sarong if I want to.
It's going to be a sari state of affairs.
I think nabob is on to something. Of course, if the Democrats were to appeal directly to the electorate for votes and money-
Okay, I *tried* to keep a straight face, but I just couldn't do it...
I look forward to throwing the worthless sack of dogshit named John Cole into the Duck Pit.
The ducks, however, might be a bit aprhensive.
Sorry if this has been posted already, but lookee here:
Police arrest armed man at U.N. garage
UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- A California man -- allegedly armed with two guns, a large knife and over 200 rounds of ammunition -- was arrested Thursday as he tried to enter a United Nations parking garage, authorities said.
Vernon J. Welker, 59, is to face charges of third-degree criminal possession of a weapon, police detective Kevin Czartoryski said.
He said Welker had a .22-caliber revolver, a .22-caliber Winchester rifle and a large knife in his car when he tried to enter the U.N. parking garage about 10:30 a.m. ET. Czartoryski said both guns were loaded and that Welker had more than 200 rounds of ammunition.
Authorities said Welker tried to enter the garage at 3 U.N. Plaza, which is commonly used by U.N. workers.
He was taken to a Manhattan police station and will be arraigned Friday in a New York criminal court.
Czartoryski said Welker gave no indication why he was carrying the weapons.
Calls to Welker's home in Salton City, California, went unanswered.
Salton City is a small Southern California community about 80 miles east of Oceanside.
But dont see the point of bitching about how mean repubs are to Cindy
Start your own blog, then.
"Rove refused to apologize, and Republicans leapt to his defense.--troll"
Yes, exactly. Thugs defend each other out of the most primitive tribalism, no matter how appalling their behavior is. I wouldn't want to be in a party with Rove or Cheney or DeLay, but I'm not about to defend Lieberman or Zell Miller either. That's why I'm an Ind who votes Dem. It sucks, no?
Actually the controversy over the NARAL ad got some people's attention about the abortion rights.
So it did achieve something. They need to decide where they stand here.
I am reading every comment. But dont see the point of bitching about how mean repubs are to Cindy, when elected dems wont ever call repubs on their shit and fight back. It is as if the dems are playing the world series clean, but all the repubs are on the most effective steroids
someone has not been paying attention. willful obtuseness is no way to go through life, fella.
I will wear a sarong if I want to.
It's going to be a sari state of affairs.
the sarong has gone away but the malady lingers on...
Sallyh, I responded to you on the last thread. Why do you keep insisting that I'm some sort of troll? And is my spelling incorrect or something? I don't know you, and I'm pretty sure I haven't killed your puppy or anything. I only started posting here yesterday. Seriously. What have I done to upset you?
But dont see the point of bitching about how mean repubs are to Cindy, when elected dems wont ever call repubs on their shit and fight back.
I don't see the point of bitching about the Dems' reaction to NARAL, et al. Start your own fucking blog if that's your pet issue.
No guitarist yet? I humbly submit my resumé. When do we go on tour?
Joey--I feel you've gotten the meme incorrect is all. This is not about how mean the Repubs are being to Cindy Sheehan. It is about one woman exercising her rights as a citizen and as a parent.
I don't know you, and I'm pretty sure I haven't killed your puppy or anything
however (from the previous thread):
Rumor has it that the writers at Powerline are being paid $5,000 each to strangle puppies. I think a government investigation is called for to check into these allegations.
Someone better call Backslider.
Moe--there are a lot of crazies in the CA desert. I wonder what this guy's provenance is.
I don't know you, and I'm pretty sure I haven't killed your puppy or anything.
He did, he did! I SEEN IT!
"Rove refused to apologize, and Republicans leapt to his defense.--troll"
Yes, exactly. Thugs defend each other out of the most primitive tribalism, no matter how appalling their behavior is.
Of course, Republicans can say, "Toe the line, and you'll be well taken care of. Cross us, and we will destroy you." Democrats can't.
Sallyh: Jeffraham--Linux.
On the Toshi laptop? Naw, I'll pass.
Now, the last two desktops I've built, I've invested in removeable drive bays, and I do have a Mandrake distro on one of the drives that I rather enjoyed. I was, in another former life, a certified HP-UX SysAdmin, so I've always intended to keep my hand in Unix... but things have not always gone as planned.
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why are the sad anti-war people so susceptable and gullible to misuse by a few sinister masterminds of bush hate; yet the pure reasoned pro-war folks are impervious pillars to any manipulation by the propagandist in the goverment (i.e. jessica lynch, pat tillman, and that crazy woman with the purple band-aid on her face mocking war wounds) or can it be that a mother who had her son senselessly slaughtered might really want her own answers? just like mr. bush who didn't need to be used by haliburton and texaco to seek the truth in Iraq...
No guitarist yet? I humbly submit my resumé. When do we go on tour?
let's see, we've got a glowerer, a lawyer, a manager, a treatmentist... who else? who have i missed?
of course, as flory, band manager, said, musical decisions are made by the anger pimp.
Jeffraham--yeah, I've got XP on the laptop, but for work purposes, it's Linux, baby.
usually it's a group of guys who're ostensibly playing something like GURPS or D20:Modern and are instead sitting around arguing about the game effects of the various types of guns and how "unrealistic" they are.
Well, if the effects were "realistic" you wouldn't have much of a game, would you? Because IRL most weapons, when used properly, are "one shot kill" weapons. That's "not fun" in a game envirnment, especially when you've got a PvP (Player vs. Player) scenario.
Which is why those guys are fucktards. They don't get it.
the first picture of our new band!
http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/cps...images/
main.jpg
No guitarist yet? I humbly submit my resumé. When do we go on tour?
let's see, we've got a glowerer, a lawyer, a manager, a treatmentist... who else? who have i missed?
I could be the photographer. Bearing in mind, of course, that I will photograph everything *but* the band.
I could be the photographer. Bearing in mind, of course, that I will photograph everything *but* the band.
well, that's a good gimmick! it shows that we're artsy. perfect for college radio!
What the hell? Is there another Joey posting here? All I've done today is make jokes. Sorry, Sallyh. I'll go play somewhere else if you'd like. And I promise to take those reading comp. classes. Jeez.
Sallyf,
you said
"LFoD--I have a serious question. What would you have us, as liberals, do in order to attain power?"
Dems need to do the OPPOSITE of the following paragraph- then they will win since they have all the popular ideas:
"Still, there is evidence of Democratic punches pulled. In the 2000 campaign, some aides to Al Gore proposed an ad juxtaposing Gore's service in Vietnam with photos from Bush's days as a young sports cheerleader -- but the idea was dismissed as inappropriate."
I will photograph everything *but* the band.
Make sure you get plenty of shots of the backstage floozies.
OT, to the extent there is a T: Did anyone here see the Rude Pundit's show?
JERUSALEM - In a stern warning to Iran, President Bush said "all options are on the table" if the Iranians refuse to comply with international demands to halt their nuclear program, pointedly noting he has already used force to protect U.S. security.
Bush's statement during an interview on Israeli TV late Friday was unusually harsh. He previously said diplomacy should be used to persuade Iran to suspend its nuclear program and if that failed then the U.N. Security Council should impose sanctions.
The U.S. government and others fear Iran's nuclear work is secretly designed to produce nuclear weapons. Iran's leaders deny that, saying it is only for the generation of electricity.
In the interview, Bush said the United States and Israel "are united in our objective to make sure that Iran does not have a weapon."
But, he said, if diplomacy fails "all options are on the table."
"The use of force is the last option for any president. You know, we've used force in the recent past to secure our country," he said.
Uh-oh, the chickenhawk is rattling his sword again, with his typical BS spin on Iraq to boot. I bet Iran is laughing at him, knowing he can't back up his tough talk.
Joey--If I upset you, I'm really sorry and I apologize to you. I was precaffeine when I wrote those things.
Oops, that was me, not Michelle Malkin. In case anyone was wondering.
So we've arrived at the point where being anti-war, especially this cluster not-ready-for-movie-of-the-week fuck war is symbolic of membership in the extreme leftist club?
Is a history book to Rethugs like garlic is to Dracula?
let's see, we've got a glowerer, a lawyer, a manager, a treatmentist... who else? who have i missed?
What with the missing pants, the pants on fire,and getting your pants sued off you, I think you will need a wardrobe mistress.
And they are the focus of my anger- pimps like Atrios, who cynically take the regrettable phrase ‘media whore,’ and render it into more fodder for the masses, who, themselves awash in outrage, blinded by hatred for Bush, will throw critical reasoning aside, and see nothing wrong with outright lies, as long as it helps their cause:
I guess it depends on what your meaning of the word "whore" is.
Does using an adjective to modify a noun strip that noun of its previous meaning.
For example, does modifying "man" with "black" take away from the meaning of the word "man".
if I say "black man" does that (for conservatives) mean that a "black man" isn't a "man"?
Oh wait..........
But, he said, if diplomacy fails "all options are on the table."
oh man, "all options"? last time he said that, it meant that that was the only option.
Make sure you get plenty of shots of the backstage floozies.
Tempting, but I'm more likely to be photographing the equipment. Of course, if I were *really* sexist...
Jeff Gannon, who has a damn good NEO CON blog...
How come JimmyJeff has not enlisted? We know he's in good shape.
OT(but speaking of Rove and people standing by things he says): Has the Thursday AP article about Rove been discussed?
On Americablog they pointed out that "Rove may have violated the federal false statements statute if he lied to Bush about his role in Plamegate. (And if he told Bush the truth, then Bush has been concealing evidence in national security investigation.)
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any
matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or
judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly
and willfully -
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or
device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent
statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the
same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent
statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5
years, or both."
Isn't this the crux of the matter, either Rove lied to Bush or Bush lied to us? (we already know Rove lied to us...)
"But dont see the point of bitching about how mean repubs are to Cindy
Start your own blog, then."
I thought about it, but I am in the corporate world, therefore I cant. In fact, every email I send to people is read.
I bet Iran is laughing at him, knowing he can't back up his tough talk.
maybe. they could also be saying "khomeni! would get that fucking bomb finished already?!?!?!"
Joey--and I was being unfair. I really do apologize.
Moe--there are a lot of crazies in the CA desert. I wonder what this guy's provenance is.
Sallyh
Salton City is just down the road from Slab City, and I'm guessing that's where he's really from.
Slab City, named after the "slabs" left from a WWII army base, is a sort of anarchic community of wanderers and malcontents. Sounds like an interesting place, with all sorts of people, but also with an underlying element of gun nuts, etc. Don't want to mis-characterize the whole community, though.
And they are the focus of my anger- pimps like Atrios, who cynically take the regrettable phrase ‘media whore,’ and render it into more fodder for the masses, - Cole
That cracks me up. Atrios, you PIMP, stop rendering the phrase "media whore" into fodder for the masses!
I'm going to Rude PUndit next week.
Respect, Sallyh. I'm only on my third cup. Then I have to do yardwork.
I have to agree that I'm tired of the press being afraid of hurting Georgie the Boy King's widdo feewings.
They should realize by now that it's impossible not to do that. Georgie Boy sees threats where they don't exist. It's the mark of the paranoid.
I thought about it, but I am in the corporate world, therefore I cant. In fact, every email I send to people is read.
This makes absolutely no sense. Atrios maintain anonymity for ages before he outed himself.
I thought about it, but I am in the corporate world, therefore I cant.
Sure you can. Don't you have access to the Internets at home? Just use some free service (Blogger's one), pick a pseudonym, and don't blog from work or about work.
It's easy!
In the interview, Bush said the United States and Israel "are united in our objective to make sure that Iran does not have a weapon."
But, he said, if diplomacy fails "all options are on the table."
any word on all those nuclear weapons being produced at Dimona? or are some nuclear weapons more equal than others?
Joey--thanks. Again, mea culpa, and condolences on the yardwork.
By the way, if y'all haven't seen the General's latest musings on Limbaugh, go. Now.
And they are the focus of my anger- pimps like Atrios, who cynically take the regrettable phrase ‘media whore,’ and render it into more fodder for the masses, - Cole
As a "mass" I find that your use of the word "fodder" is insulting sir.
Why do you think that neither Cindy Sheehan or the typical mass like myself can make up his/her own mind on the war.
Just because Republicans are easily manipulated does not in fact mean that we all are.
Can I be a backstage floozy? I don't like performing in public.
I'm more likely to be photographing the equipment.
Then with flory absent, I take it upon myself to speak for the entire band: you're fired, unless you shoot pictures of floozies. It's in the contract.
I'm afraid to look (well not afraind but I don't need the migrane) -- have the righty-blogs started trumpeting the discovery of "chemicals" in Iraq as the "proof of WMDs" yet?
In fact, you don't even need home Internets access. You can use the 'puters at the public library.
I just think Karma is fucking with us.
Rummy and Cheney get to preside over the needless destruction of our military twice in my lifetime.
What with the missing pants, the pants on fire,and getting your pants sued off you, I think you will need a wardrobe mistress.
yes, i think we will!
is anyone writing this down?
where's my pencil...?
p..w..n...3...r....ship... geee...tarrr....
k..a...r...i...n... ward..robe...mist...resss...
gotcha.
I'll tell you this much...
I'M crying.
Allen Ginsburg lives!
...he was worried she might use this second opportunity to try to sell Bush a set of overpriced encyclopedias, or steal his silverware.
So if anybody thought that Erick was literally saying that Sheehan fucks people for money, please disabuse yourself of that notion forthwith!
Priceless.
No guitarist yet? I humbly submit my resumé. When do we go on tour?
let's see, we've got a glowerer, a lawyer, a manager, a treatmentist... who else? who have i missed?
of course, as flory, band manager, said, musical decisions are made by the anger pimp.
seaxneat
Well, I gotta go - glowering master class starts at 11.30 and I have to warm up.
Can I be a backstage floozy? I don't like performing in public.
I'm sure that can be arranged. Doesn't pay well, but there are fringe benefits.
As a "mass" I find that your use of the word "fodder" is insulting sir.
I liked it when the phrase "media whore" was known only to a few, the cultural elite, if you will. Now everyone's using it. It's so over.
What'd I miss?
Someone said that I should propose a solution that dems can use. I think the dems should talk about how dispicable it is for repubs to be attacking dem soldiers. They could say that repubs only support soldiers with R's next to their names, while dems support soldiers from all parties. The repubs attack mothers who lost their son to this war if they have D's nest to their names. They put the GOP above the flag. Something to that effect. Start driving a wedge in the military-try to peel a few your way.
Sighted by hatred of Bush.
I love Patriotboy. Hysterical.
Then with flory absent, I take it upon myself to speak for the entire band: you're fired, unless you shoot pictures of floozies. It's in the contract.
*ahem*
"The party of the first part shall take pictures of aforementioned "floozies" and "studs" as well as any pictures the party of the first part shall deem necessary to the artistic interpretation as agreed upon by the party of the fifth of vodka and the tall gin & tonic."
see? it's right there!
new sheets.
-J.T.
What'd I miss?
we formed a band!
I thought about it, but I am in the corporate world, therefore I cant.
Sure you can. Don't you have access to the Internets at home? Just use some free service (Blogger's one), pick a pseudonym, and don't blog from work or about work.
Indeed. Lots of us are in the corporate world, including me. I don't even make all that much of an effort to conceal my identity. I sure as hell don't blog about work, unless it's in the vaguest (and neutralest) possible terms.
NTodd--the floozies get dental and vision?
Then with flory absent, I take it upon myself to speak for the entire band: you're fired, unless you shoot pictures of floozies. It's in the contract.
*ahem*
"The party of the first part shall take pictures of aforementioned "floozies" and "studs" as well as any pictures the party of the first part shall deem necessary to the artistic interpretation as agreed upon by the party of the fifth of vodka and the tall gin & tonic."
see? it's right there!
All right, all right. Is there anything that says they have to be *good* pictures?
any word on all those nuclear weapons being produced at Dimona?
Why, Israel have nuclear weapons? What an absurd idea!
No certainly not, even though we found out last week Britain helped build their nuclear weapon program, thus violating the NNP and thus being a bigger threat to the Mideast than Iran's program which is,according to the CIA, at least a decade away.
But no nukes in Israel. Nope, none at all. Nothing to see here, move along...
I will wear a sarong if I want to.
It's going to be a sari state of affairs.
the sarong has gone away but the malady lingers on...
Pere Ubu
The sarong has gone away but the Mandalay lingers on?
NTodd--the floozies get dental and vision?
I thought their work was pro bono.
kc,
you said:
"Sure you can. Don't you have access to the Internets at home? Just use some free service (Blogger's one), pick a pseudonym, and don't blog from work or about work."
I work beween 12-15 hours a day, The only way I could blog is on the weekends, which is kind of ineffective.
All right, all right. Is there anything that says they have to be *good* pictures?
not at all!
Can I be a backstage floozy? I don't like performing in public.
I'm sure that can be arranged. Doesn't pay well, but there are fringe benefits.
Yes, as long as you reeeeaaalllly like performing in private, that should be fine.
Lots of us are in the corporate world, including me. I don't even make all that much of an effort to conceal my identity.
I'm very sneaky: I use my real name and even told my entire company about my blog. They'll NEVER figure out it's me!
Start driving a wedge in the military-try to peel a few your way.
Are you paying attention??!!!!!
The wedge has already been driven. It happened the minute the troops realized that the reasons they were given for war were lies, the minute they weren't given adequate protection or supplies, the minute they recieved stop-loss orders, the minute georgie ignored the returning dead, the minute they realized that the Bush administration didn't care one tiny bit about them.
There's much more in that enormous wedge.
ack! received
Hang in there until the last paragraph and then you WILL laugh out loud! A classic.
it's here...
NTodd--the floozies get dental and vision?
Ah, not as such. They get all the green M&Ms, tho!
All right, all right. Is there anything that says they have to be *good* pictures?
Nope. In fact, the "worse" they are, the better!
Nope. In fact, the "worse" they are, the better!
Should not be a problem, then.
Of course, they'll need to give me their contact information so I can get them their own copies...
All I am saying about the dems is that if the dems were as ruthless as the repubs, the dems would have the White House, both chambers with a veto-proof majority, and a good chunk of the SC. I sse the polls and americans are overwhelmingly in support of your issues. Think about it-when the repubs did their midterm redistricting scheme in TX, CO and GA, why didnt the dem govornors respond in kind. What was the excuse to let the GOP rob them and them lie down and take it?
"an orgy of group think"
People like Cole don't get how funny this is, to me, as a comment on my views and processes. Nobody who knows me has ever, ever suggested such a thing. Rather, they offer unsolicited comments to the contrary.
It's simple. I agree with people when I think they're right. I could no more conform to a clique than sprout wings. I have been unable to do it for short-term profit, and wouldn't do it for fun here at Eschaton.
I work beween 12-15 hours a day
Uh huh. Except when you're commenting on blogs...
Good grief.
Later, gators.
All I am saying about the dems is that if the dems were as ruthless as the repubs, the dems would have the White House, both chambers with a veto-proof majority, and a good chunk of the SC.
Possibly. The only thing that would worry me is that ruthlessness works a lot better when the media is on your side. If it's against you, then there's a danger of being painted as wacko extremists. Which, of course, the Republicans actually are.
Sigh.
pie,
I guess you are right about the wedge already being driven. I just think dems should now throw gas on the fire.
"The remarkably humorous bit of all of this is that while Mrs. Sheehan is using the body of a dead solider to get her fifteen minutes of fame,"
I hae my own personal opinions on Cindy Sheehan. Particularly her bizarre willingness to discuss how religious and whatever bullshit religious speak is, about the president when she first met him. Then goes back on this, but without laying blame. She wants answers? But for some reason doesnt want to blame bush for the problems because he's a man of faith?
Total dimwit if you ask me.
But that quote above from that Erik freak at commie-red state.org takes the cake.
This is her son he's talking about and he says she's abusing his corpse by making a stand about the war?
She is like any other caring mother who wants to know why their child is dead should they ever find out. Should her son have died in an auto accident then she would demand to know whether it was a legitimate accident, or the result of gross or criminal negligence such as being drunk or fooling around with a date, whether it was her son that was at fault or the other driver.
Parents demand answers. It is needed for closure. It helps them to settle down and move on with the rest of their lives. But somehow idiots like this Erik are as capable of deeper thinking enough to realize this as a rock.
Really. I'm totally not surprised at this in the slightest. Everyone on the right's a f*cking expert on human psychology on these things and can easily tell whether you're a traitor or a stand up guy, all the while not knowing that guy one damned bit beyond some minor stunt they might pull that pleases you.
Easy to satisfy, easy to fool.
MYOB'
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I'm very sneaky: I use my real name and even told my entire company about my blog.
I'm not as brave as you are. I'll probably always blog pseudono - pseudomy - under a fake name. Even though nobody actually READS my blog . . .
So there are Protest Warriors in Crawford? And the media's not reporting the "We don't care" chant.
I work beween 12-15 hours a day, The only way I could blog is on the weekends, which is kind of ineffective.
Try it. If you have anything of value to say, it will work out.
Batsies! It's hot as heck here in northern VA. Finally got the Comcast wireless hooked up and, I think, completely working!
I'm not as brave as you are. I'll probably always blog pseudono - pseudomy - under a fake name. Even though nobody actually READS my blog
i hear you. some day, i will come out, when i can't get fired for it. (my boss is nuts)
and my blog readership is pretty pitiful, too.
i don't think i'm, um, whoring it enough.
Liner notes for the first RM album and "For Your Pleasure" say "Eno -- Synthesiser and Tapes."
Think I saw the "treatments" listing in an old copy of Creem a long, long time ago... however, from a reprint of an old copy of "Melody Maker" we get this: "Brian Eno (VCS3, mixer, more back-up vocals)".
you know, atrios is doing a really shit-poor job of pimping his anger. i'm get all the anger i want, for free!
Eli,
you said:
"The only thing that would worry me is that ruthlessness works a lot better when the media is on your side. If it's against you, then there's a danger of being painted as wacko extremists. "
This is the main defect of elected dems-that they care about what the media thinks. Do repubs care? Did Hackett care about how he would look when he called Bush a chickenhawk SOB?When Kerry listened to the media and threw a gentle DNC convention, and the repubs ignored the media and threw purple band-aid fest, who ended up winning? Dems need to say that we are going to ignore the right wing media-even when they are refering to NBCBSABCNNMSNBC. Just keep on repeating it. The media will never help a dem, so why pay attention to it. When a dem wins the WH, start treating the media like shit-like how Cheney treats the media. When they whine, tell them them that we will cut off acess to you. Start playing the game.
you know, atrios is doing a really shit-poor job of pimping his anger. i'm get all the anger i want, for free!
Remember when he was all about the thread, the anger, and the music? He's changed, man.
I think we might have to kick him out of the band. I'm not happy about it, but we gotta get back to our roots. It's what our #1 fan, Casey Sheehan, would want.
The Republicans ignore the media because they know the media has got their back.
A good, clear, forceful message can cut through the media, but it has to be pretty tight not to get twisted. And even with that caveat, I still think they could safely be a lot more forceful than they are right now.
"Cindy Sheehan is nothing more than a deranged woman who has become a threat to our nation. It is so maddening it is to see this, this liberal attitude that because you have lost a child in the war, you are suddenly some kind of an expert on military strategy.
As far as I’m concerned, we’d all be better off if Ms. Sheehan and her friends were shipped off to Gitmo."
Nice comment at John Cole's site.
Remember when he was all about the thread, the anger, and the music? He's changed, man.
I think we might have to kick him out of the band. I'm not happy about it, but we gotta get back to our roots. It's what our #1 fan, Casey Sheehan, would want.
hahahah!
"next, on Behind the Music:
From an upstart group of thinkers to a band, the anger-pimps were on top of the world...
But an hour later, dissension threatened to tear it all apart..."
John Cole does disown him, though. So that's nice. Michelle Malkin would not have.
Heh.
I'm going to see Brian Wilson tonight.
I cannot wait.
But an hour later, dissension threatened to tear it all apart...
That does it: I'm going solo. I'm sick of having my creativity stifled and being shoved to the side by that 'John Lennon wannabe' Atrios. Fuck you all!
I'm going to see Brian Wilson tonight.
He got out of bed?
That does it: I'm going solo. I'm sick of having my creativity stifled and being shoved to the side by that 'John Lennon wannabe' Atrios. Fuck you all!
does that mean i don't get to be band lawyer any more?
and my dream was in hand for a glorious hour!
BTW, I'm not saying I'm going out on my own yet. Just getting ready for the inevitable split, so I'll have my speech ready.
He got out of bed?
Apparently so. and he brought a 16-piece band with him.
And they're performing 'Smile,' and Mike Love will be nowhere in sight. Life's good.
BTW, I'm not saying I'm going out on my own yet. Just getting ready for the inevitable split, so I'll have my speech ready.
oh. well, happy to have you back. what's your role again...um, N...Todd? that your name? NTodd? sounds familiar.
anyone here know a backstabbing liar named NTodd? 
Speaking of Brian Wilson. I'd like to make an album someday, for all the heads out there. I'd call it
Pot Sounds
I will not be lectured about critical reasoning or group-think by a foam-at-the-mouth Bush apologist.
anyone here know a backstabbing liar named NTodd?
Uh, that was a namestealing band member.
I'm going to see Brian Wilson tonight.
Saw him last November at Davies Symphony Hall in SF. Think he's still doing the same show. They open with an "unplugged" Beach Boys Party-esque set of his early hits backed by acoustic guitars and bongos. Then move into full electric band with horn and string back-up for the mid-60s to "Pet Sounds" number ("God Always Know" is always a highlight). Then an intermission, when they come back and do the full "Smile" cycle.
This is the greatest band he's ever had, and I'm including the "Wrecking Crew" of his studio work. They can fucking do anything, musically or vocally.
BTW, aside from "Smile," the two highlights for me were "Sail On, Sailor" (without, unfortunately, the original lyrics, but I never dreamed he's sing it, anyway) and a rocking "Marcella". Enjoy!
oh.
well, then,
welcome back! hahahah!
I'm very sneaky: I use my real name and even told my entire company about my blog. They'll NEVER figure out it's me!
NTodd
You forgot to say that's your real picture, too.
dave™©®,
You bet I'm going to enjoy it. The venue is on the beach on the South Shore of LI, and we got $20 seats (at a Clear Channel venue, no less) that will put us high enough in the house to be able to enjoy the show and ocean-gaze at the same time.
I've been to probably thousands of shows over the past 30 years, and rarely have I been this jacked to go and see a concert.
Thanks for the summary.
Liberals fled the GOP years ago. Maybe liberals should just leave the Democrats as well. I don't think either party will ever again support liberal causes.
>"I think the pimps in the anti-war left..."<
This says it all. Those who oppose WAR are pimps.
WAR is the scourge of humanity; the disease we know how to cure yet cannot because of the obtuse insistence of troglodites among us who know that WAR is glorious! WAR is nothing more or less than collective murder. There is self-defensive collectve murder as with the Allies of WWII and there is premeditated collective murder as in Hitler, Mussolini & Tojo bent on expansion, Johnson & Nixon in Vietnam, Reagan in Grenada, Bush I in Panama & Iraq, Bush II in Iraq (completing his daddy's job), all Republicans except Johnson. What if my neighborhood association decided to gang up and capture the homes of a weaker adjacent association with the self-justifying lies that always accompany wrongdoing? There are always those who would do these things if it can be done collectively, thereby diluting any residue of guilt. And if they can win, there is no guilt, for to the victors go the spoils and the prerogative of writing the history.
>"I think the pimps in the anti-war left..."<
This says it all. Those who oppose WAR are pimps.
It's projection again.
The ones who call Cindy Sheehan a "whore" look like two dollar hookers themselves).
The males have a shitty attitude towards women who don't agree with them.
Projection, folks, projection! They accuse everyone of being what they are!
"As far as I’m concerned, we’d all be better off if Ms. Sheehan and her friends were shipped off to Gitmo."
Anytime any of those Cheeto eating, Kool Aid guzzling Nazi assholes think they can ship me off anyplace, I invite them to give it a shot.
To quote Eastwood: "Make my day!"
They sure do like their prostitution metaphors ... "Cindy Sheehan is a whore." "Atrios is a pimp."
res ipsa loquitur
Yeah, I noticed that, too.
Is that all they think of is sex?
Probably because they're not getting any!
Anger pimp??
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