I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Something unbearably profound.
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Even profounder acknowledgement.
Curse you, Atrios, and your amazing psychic powers!
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Something profoundly unbearable
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Heh, Indeedy, Atrios.
You called it, and right on schedule...
Oh, lovely. Hello, dears.
captain ed is an asshat!
captain ed, that's just gay (in the curt cobain way, not making a sexual slur} tho i guess asshat covers it.
Did that scared guy just yell "gonads?"
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Timelines? Timelines are only for those in the Reality Based Community! Those WMD's have always existed somewhere in the space/time continuum!
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And the alien spits goo!!
Excellent!
Any Battlestar Galactica fans? I am fracking tired of there being only one fracking curse word on the show. It fracking sucks.
Eli was almost right-
senator got it at 74 minutes in. Though his toupe seemed to come through it just fine.
So, what does this mean? I;m having difficulty parsing it out. Someone more intelligent please 'splain.
Crap- I can't count.
Only 44 minutes in.
....wow! judging by the first two comments, the propellers atop the tin foil beanies are spinning at maximum warp in reaction to the news out of Iraq today......we can't allow a few facts like these to undercut the HateBush program, can we?
*We're* the ones with tin foil props?
As Cog said...
It is not hard to imagine these being re-smuggled into Iraq, and set up again to attack coalition forces, the Iraqi security forces, or Iraqi politicians.
Ai caramba.
by Wingnut logic:
There was little opium production under the Taleban,
Opium production grew dramatically after the US occupation,
therefore: the US army is distributing and dealing heroin
Man, I'm sick of wingnut blogs always requiring a registration so they can easily ban me. I think we need to convene a panel on blogger ethics immediately.
What a bunch of sissies...
senator got it at 74 minutes in. Though his toupe seemed to come through it just fine.
74? More like 44.
*We're* the ones with tin foil props?
They're farking delusional.
It's them eeeeeeeeevil islamofascists!
Oh, wait.
There were no islamofascists in Iraq when Saddam was running the show. Damn. I forgot.
Freeance and peeance, moonbats!
*We're* the ones with tin foil props?
NTodd
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I really laughed out loud!
Cap'n Ed? This is what, a fried fish shack somewhere?
We always wondered if somebody would plant WMD ex post facto in Iraq. Who knew it would be the insurgents?
Aliens!! They're aliens!!
Now, is that the movie or is that me describing wingnuts?
Wait, was that the Skipper from Gilligan's Island?
Cap'n Ed? This is what, a fried fish shack somewhere?
He's a particularly stuplid wingnut.
74? More like 44.
74...44...what's the difference?
Elvis and Ann-Margaret are on - it's a tough call on who's the prettiest.
If we want a real pool, we should bet on how long it takes for a CoNN talking hairdo to casually "forget" to mention that the chemicals showed up after Saddam.
I have Monday, about 4 PM EST.
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Wait, was that the Skipper from Gilligan's Island?
I dunno but he's gonna need some big bandaids.
Cap'n Ed? This is what, a fried fish shack somewhere?
No relation to Cap'n Crunch.
trifecta: Any Battlestar Galactica fans? I am fracking tired of there being only one fracking curse word on the show. It fracking sucks.
You shoulda seen the butchery done to Fargo on one of the three local Sinclair outlets here, today. I got so frustrated trying to figure out what garbled word they were dubbing over the several instances of "fuckin'," I actually turned the closed-caption on. Still never caught it (Sinclair's gear is pretty goddamned shoddy here in GnashVegas... most stuff has no CC; lots of glitches in their broadcasts; lots of dead-airtime).
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maybe the chemical weapons containers actually have tom cruise's thetans in them! someone call people magazine!
They're farking delusional.
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*Look at em farking....*
Cap'n Ed? This is what, a fried fish shack somewhere?
Used to be called "Neptune's Nook", but the reference to other deities made the fundies nervous and they wouldn't eat there.
Any Battlestar Galactica fans? I am fracking tired of there being only one fracking curse word on the show. It fracking sucks.
Frack off eh?
Oh and I cannot believe my daughter starts THIRD FRACKING GRADE on Monday.
Cap'n Ed? This is what, a fried fish shack somewhere?
And he only serves tartar sauce with his fish'n'chips, no malt vinegar. Bastard. Aaaaaarrrrr!
74? More like 44.
Hey, I corrected myself.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to play with lion kitty before he steals my keyboard and begins tormenting Arthur again.
Aw, come on now. Give the Cap'n a break. "Facts" are an unnecessary and inconvenient encumbrance.
74? More like 44.
74...44...what's the difference?
NTodd
at age 60 this month I can tell you - quite a lot. A bunch, as a matter of fact!
Hey, I corrected myself.
Yeah, we cross-posted there... Sorry 'bout that.
Cap'n Ed?! I'm presuming the closest he's come to naval service is dressing up for Halloween?! Agh!
Walter!
Frank Rich is SHRILL
LIKE the Japanese soldier marooned on an island for years after V-J Day, President Bush may be the last person in the country to learn that for Americans, if not Iraqis, the war in Iraq is over.
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Now comes the hard task of identifying the leaders who can pick up the pieces of the fiasco that has made us more vulnerable, not less, to the terrorists who struck us four years ago next month.
No relation to Cap'n Crunch.
Nope. This Cap'n has the soggies.
Actually, Captain Ed is spectacularly stupid.
Welcome To Monster Shriller Theatre, with your host, Count Frank.
Arrr matey. Methinks ye olde Captain's been huffing the Old Spice yet again.
It means a desperate glutching at straws with the hope of confusing the inattentive.
In other news, bad acting by the wounded guy.
The slashed train guy is, um, not a very good actor.
Yeah, we cross-posted there... Sorry 'bout that.
Sniff.
Okay.
"I'm kicking some alien ass!!!"
"oh god, oh my god."
I have to play with lion kitty before he steals my keyboard and begins tormenting Arthur again.
four legs good - I told you before, Arthur's not going out tonight. And you know why.
He was laying eggs!
Where?
In what was left of the senator!
(Fervently hoping for such an end for Frist.)
*We're* the ones with tin foil props?
NTodd
my thoughts exactly.
tho tinfoil is going to do damn little good if the "terrorists" accomplish their intent. hell, with a little research i'm sure i could mix up something nasty that would incur maximal damage.
as i said earlier, we so should not be there. the death toll could get much higher. i've heard what they discovered could have caused the death of 80,000.
Any Battlestar Galactica fans? I am fracking tired of there being only one fracking curse word on the show. It fracking sucks.
Well, they use English words for everything else. Besides, it's pretty fracking realistic, when you consider the inventive use of 'fuck' in American military history. Read Paul Fussell.
I thought Lou was going to put his jacket over the wounded guy's head in an attempt to make him sleep...
That old guy is just acting his butt off.
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He told me, GWPDA. I am Shocked. But happy Arthur is safe.
grasping....at...straws
Frank Rich:
"Someone Tell the President the War Is Over
By FRANK RICH
LIKE the Japanese soldier marooned on an island for years after V-J Day, President Bush may be the last person in the country to learn that for Americans, if not Iraqis, the war in Iraq is over. "We will stay the course," he insistently tells us from his Texas ranch. What do you mean we, white man? "
http://www.nytimes.com
guy is, um, not a very good actor.
I'm guessing the guy can't act too well.
(not watching the bad scifi tonite. Got more important redbird asskicking to watch.)
four legs good - I told you before, Arthur's not going out tonight. And you know why.
If it makes you feel any better I sent Maxx to his room without ice cream.
Nice dramatic pause before... millions.
*Look at em fracking....*
Whoops, forgot to close the quotes on the "Shatner wingnut" impersonation above...
O-kay! Invisible!
bye bye, I suppose! Check you later.
Hell, he can't even act dead convincingly...
(Fervently hoping for such an end for Frist.)
Me too.
Well, they use English words for everything else. Besides, it's pretty fracking realistic, when you consider the inventive use of 'fuck' in American military history
I really dig BSG. I think it's the best SF television show in history.
If it makes you feel any better I sent Maxx to his room without ice cream.
four legs good - Sniff. Arthur had to wash the dishes and weed the melon patch.
My god, they're pathetic. That's all they got, and they're straw-grasping The End.
Hey, just got back from Crawford where Cindy Sheehan told us she had the "sixth best day of her life" as she witnessed the phalanx of cars driving towards Camp Casey!
I'm really exhausted, but inspired. Oh, what a day this was.
Also quite cheering that the numbers of the anti-protest were altogether dismal here in "Bush's America." Maybe 15 more so. I tried offering some water to the poor little nest of them as we drove past, but most politely refused. Interesting moment when one asked that I buy him gasoline instead. (Old blues song in there!) I'd wish I'd had the presence of mind to ask, "How many soldiers per gallon does your SUV get? Oh, one had this poster draped over his pick-up that said, "GO HOME! Stop picking on President Bush!" Ooooooh, poor, poor widdle Wubya. Everybody just mean.
Ray McGovern has a beautiful singing voice, btw. He led us into song following a few moments of silent meditation (marred by occasional barks from the dark side...the police *actually* told the anti-protesters to STFU!), and so we sang "God Bless America" (Cindy told us she'd thought that she was cursed and that America was cursed but that today showed her we were blessed!), and "We Shall Overcome." And it didn't feel cheesy at all. It felt magical. I think this woman is a Strange Attractor. Didn't get a chance to talk to her, but was within about 10 feet. She has this solid but transcendent spirit...it's compelling. Unfuckwithable. Bush doesn't know what the hell he's got on his hands!
And Maxx says to tell Arthur he's really really sorry and would Arthur like some of his ice cream?
farscape was much more inventive in alien curse worlds...i still haven't forgiven sci fi for cancelling it...
DWD:
You ever hear the song "I declare the war is over" by Phil Ochs, circa 1968 or so. Cool song, cool guy.
I really dig BSG. I think it's the best SF television show in history.
I've only watched the pilot miniseries so far, so Babylon 5 still gets my vote for now.
*Look at em fracking....*
Oooh! Where?
Well, Lou Diamond Phillips' agent must suck, because he hasn't been in a decent movie since La Bamba. I think he has some talent, but something went wrong with his career.
Same as it always is. Wingnuts today claim the presence of terrorists in Iraq today means that these same terrorists were there prior to our invasion. There's an entire thread over at my place with trolls arguing that very point.
Wouldn't it be cool if zombie euthanized cats raised together as an Army and clawed Frist to death, then used his office as a litter box after eating his intestines?
Now there's an appropriate end for a texas senator.
LOL.
*Look at em fracking....*
Oooh! Where?
On Frackle Rock, of course.
Rich nails it again:
To this day it's our failure to provide that security that has turned the country into the terrorist haven it hadn't been before 9/11 - "the central front in the war on terror," as Mr. Bush keeps reminding us, as if that might make us forget he's the one who recklessly created it.
Nail. Hammer. Etc.
These "WMDs" came from Iran, so we'll have to bomb and invade Iran before this smoking gun turns into a mushroom cloud.
Bush doesn't know what the hell he's got on his hands!
Way fracking cool.
Oh Sarah, come back, I'll talk to you.
I think I know how to solve all these problems. Send Gordon Liddy over with some more of the same stuff and set up a bunch of these so called WMD sites. Once they are in place, we "find" them and then Fearless Leader can threaten everybody in the neighborhood with an attack, as a last resort of course, and they will all stop hating us and start cooperating. Problem solved. think of all the candy and flowers they will throw. We could sell it and pay for the whole operation.
jules -- thanks for the report!
Thanks for sharing your experience, jules.
I feel a groundswell coming on..
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Thnks for the report, jules. Are you going tomorrow?
Same as it always is. Wingnuts today claim the presence of terrorists in Iraq today means that these same terrorists were there prior to our invasion. There's an entire thread over at my place with trolls arguing that very point.
Maybe they're Trollfamadorians.
Lou had quite the successful run in a revival of The King and I on Broadway and was nominated for a Tony.
Jules,
Thanks for the report. I'm glad you went and even gladder you filled us in on the dim bulbs countering Cindy Sheehan.
Was the baby alien actually wagging its tail?
Tail-waggin clenis ejaculator.
That is the worst looking alien ever.
It looks like it's made out of playdoh.
....wow! judging by the first two comments, the propellers atop the tin foil beanies are spinning at maximum warp
if only we could tap into that energy source ... 
Was the baby alien actually wagging its tail?
I think so.
"Are you OK?"
"Urrgghh.. not so much.. "
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I've only watched the pilot miniseries so far, so Babylon 5 still gets my vote for now.
Oh dude, you are so missing out. I would recommend finding a copy of season one and starting from there. It truely rocks.
Lou hasn't aged well.....
I really dig BSG. I think it's the best SF television show in history.
I've only watched the pilot miniseries so far, so Babylon 5 still gets my vote for now.
I'm a big Bab5 fan, but I have to say BSG kicks it's ass. Story arc hasn't developed as much, but the character dev is better, the CGI less cheesy, and is much grittier and more realistic. Bab5, with all the dystopian stuff, still was too polished--BSG has the 'lived in' look that Lucas begat in Star Wars.
Oh, and as much as I love Ivanova, Starbuck--not to mention Boomer, my cybernetic love muffin--can kick her ass.
"Urrgghh.. not so much.. "
Excuse me while I get eaten by a tribe of baby tail wagging aliens.
She has this solid but transcendent spirit...it's compelling. Unfuckwithable. Bush doesn't know what the hell he's got on his hands!
jules
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What a beautiful thing to hear. Amen.
Lou had quite the successful run in a revival of The King and I on Broadway and was nominated for a Tony.
An now he's doing this.....
Jules -- Were the wingos chanting "We Don't Care!" today?
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Lighter fluid for blood!!
OT
Was watching golf nad fell asleep. Woke up to COPS and some guy repeatedly yelling "get dowon on the ground." I was a little groggy but I thought it sounded like James Brown. "Get down on the ground! Get down on the ground! Can I take it to the bridge?! Weird
An now he's doing this.....
Maybe he has kids in college.
Oh dude, you are so missing out. I would recommend finding a copy of season one and starting from there. It truely rocks.
I actually do have it, I just haven't gotten around to watching it...
"LIKE the Japanese soldier marooned on an island for years after V-J Day, President Bush may be the last person in the country to learn that for Americans, if not Iraqis, the war in Iraq is over. "We will stay the course," he insistently tells us from his Texas ranch. What do you mean we, white man?"
Frank Rich. Read the rest. He's right. The war is over, we lost, and the history of this conflict will be written without wingnut spin. Donald Rumsfeld will be the goat, but it will define, in its hideous and unforgivable failure, the very presidency of the miserable failure in the oval office.
Wingnuts today claim the presence of terrorists in Iraq today means that these same terrorists were there prior to our invasion.
Ol'Froth
You might point out that using this logic, by deposing Saddam, we set the terrorists loose on the world.
Of course, that would lead to some other amazing reverse double-twisting backflips into the fantasy pool.
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Was watching golf nad fell asleep.
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I'm so sorry!
And Maxx says to tell Arthur he's really really sorry and would Arthur like some of his ice cream?
four legs good - No, thank you. Arthur has a little bit of a head left over from last night and is keeping to ginger ale. I hope they've both learnt a lesson about tolerance.
"I'm not going to kill myself being so macho tough guy like the last idiot!"
He was my partner, you...." (fight)
This is a great movie.
Is the blonde really named Rosie?
Got more important redbird asskicking to watch.)
©smalfi
you elists, got to listen on the am radio.
That is the worst looking alien ever.
It looks like it's made out of playdoh.
How do you know that aliens wouldn't look like they're made out of playdoh? Specist.
Lou hasn't aged well...
Who has?
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Oh, and Walter, do me (and you) a favor and go down to Bulldog Books and pick up a copy of Bellowing Ark magazine.
My short story "Head Talk" is in there and I would like people to read it.
Thing is, there's a ton of other great stuff in there as well.
Thanks.
Max Vague Is Dead. Long Live Max Vague!
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i'd like to nominate verbal gymnastics to an olympic sport...finally, an event rush windbag can compete in...cysts and all!
Ah, the engineer's master code.....
perhaps it's the ex-wife's birthday....
The Wingnut constitution:
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OK, OK. Cap'n. I remember you from when you played keyboards behind that Tennille chick. You weren't such an asshole back then.
Frank Rich. Read the rest. He's right. The war is over, we lost, and the history of this conflict will be written without wingnut spin. Donald Rumsfeld will be the goat, but it will define, in its hideous and unforgivable failure, the very presidency of the miserable failure in the oval office.
Noam Sane
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More beautiful words! sing it!
How do you know that aliens wouldn't look like they're made out of playdoh? Specist.
Then John Bolton could finally make himself useful, what with all his first-hand knowledge of play-doh's retreat.
Was watching golf nad fell asleep.
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I'm so sorry!
mena
Geez. My hands are still asleep. "and"
Story arc hasn't developed as much, but the character dev is better, the CGI less cheesy, and is much grittier and more realistic.
I dunno. I think the story line is a work in progress, but has had no flaws. I really like the continuity and the shifting of the story between locations. I can't tell which I lke better, the character dev, or the story line.
is this too obscure, or could bolton's mustache be an alien just like bob dobbs jr's pipe?
Straws kids, they are grasping at straws.
She has this solid but transcendent spirit...it's compelling. Unfuckwithable. Bush doesn't know what the hell he's got on his hands!
jules
I have been very struck by this. No matter what absurb thing she is dealt (the gobmother letter for example, or people protesting her vigil) she meets it with understanding magnimity then returns to her central question, why are these people, including her son, dying? She validates opposition, but knows that it doesn't in anyway nullify her own quest. I am very impressed by her. (And this is just reading her statements and seeing clips...)
Bush doesn't know what the hell he's got on his hands!
Oh, he certainly does, since he summoned Steve Hadley to Crawford to talk Cindy out of it. When was the last time that the National Security Advisor was dispatched in a one-on-one with protesters.
Le Monde reported a "wild goose chase" as the protesters rallied in Crawford and the anti-protesters rallied at Camp Casey.
I actually do have it, I just haven't gotten around to watching it...
Make sure you have Jergens and a towel handy. Oh, but I've said too much.
Oh, but I've said too much.
NTodd
That's NTodd in the spotlight, losing his religion..
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Diane:
U District - right?
Boomer is a hottie I think. My wife says if she ever turned lesbian, Starbuck would be the gal for her. I looked at her funny ever since.
awab - an actual grownup, in other words.
Uh-oh, time for Miss Bountiful Utah (snort!) to get eaten...
Walter, if you you need any assistance after your surgery, I'm sure that my nephew can help out. He just moved out to Seattle and I'm sure he hasn't found a job yet.
Is there a compelling reason for this girl to be in her bra?
Does anyone else find the SciFi Channel promo with the guy giving the balloon dog a rim job disturbing?
Is there a compelling reason for this girl to be in her bra?
YES!!!
Oops. Alien eats bra girl.
Does anyone else find the SciFi Channel promo with the guy giving the balloon dog a rim job disturbing?
Ohhh yes.
From that Frank Rich op-ed:
The endgame for American involvement in Iraq will be of a piece with the rest of this sorry history. "It makes no sense for the commander in chief to put out a timetable" for withdrawal, Mr. Bush declared on the same day that 14 of those Ohio troops were killed by a roadside bomb in Haditha. But even as he spoke, the war's actual commander, Gen. George Casey, had already publicly set a timetable for "some fairly substantial reductions" to start next spring. Officially this calendar is tied to the next round of Iraqi elections, but it's quite another election this administration has in mind. The priority now is less to save Jessica Lynch (or Iraqi democracy) than to save Rick Santorum and every other endangered Republican facing voters in November 2006.
Yeah.
All this talk about pulling out is about voters pulling the right levers.
(Umm, who closed the door behind Miss Bountiful Utah?)
Miss bountiful Utah was delicious!!
Thers wants me to make it clear that he's not movie blogging because he's cleaning the kitchen.
Praise him with great praise.
Robert Crawford writes in Capt. Ed's comments: "50% troll comments. This must be considered a serious blow to the left, for them to be sending out the troglodytes in such numbers."
Yes, as one of "them," I can vouch: we've got a fast-response synchronized troll squad we--The Left--deploy immediately upon finding some inane post by a dickwad rightwinger with a blog.
Ana Ng and I are getting old and we still haven't Walked in the glow of each others Majestic Presence.
Diane:
U District - right?
WalterNeff
Ayup,
Thanks, Walter.
I predict that the pullout will be scheduled to "happen" in mid November 2006.
All bullshit. I hope the country doesn't buy it.
The freight train is hailing nuclear waste! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Okay, nuclear waste!!
I told ya this movie had everything.
Nukular waste! I swear I nearly choked on my supper.
Just watched Larry King. A tribute to Peter Jennings.
My God, I have not watched CNN for about 3 years. Larry has to say at the end "CNN, the one you trust" What a load of bull.
They are like rabbits in the headlights.
Diane - I'll pick it up too, next time I'm down. But you should say the name again....
Erm, *hauling* nuclear waste. Der.
The freight train is hailing nuclear waste! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
And it could make the southwest uninhabitable for thousands of years.
Fuck, it IS waggin it's tail
Thers wants me to make it clear that he's not movie blogging because he's cleaning the kitchen.
I had to do that too. What did you do?
Thers wants me to make it clear that he's not movie blogging because he's cleaning the kitchen.
Tell me he did'nt forget the milk.
Man, the alien tail-wagging thing is just too adorable.
Does anyone else find the SciFi Channel promo with the guy giving the balloon dog a rim job disturbing?
At least we haven't seen disturbing psycho chicken guys giving out disturbing chicken fries.
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I had to do that too. What did you do?
I think he announced his intention to make Mary a football widow.
Ooooooh...taser!
Praise him with great praise.
NYMary
Wow!
Praises and hallelujas from this office to yours!
Good man, that Thers.
CS,
I *heart* They Might Be Giants.
At least we haven't seen disturbing psycho chicken guys giving out disturbing chicken fries.
That was on earlier.
And that is FUCKING DISTURBING.
I think he announced his intention to make Mary a football widow.
Ooooooooooh, man, that's no good.
NY Mary, nope not going back to Crawford tomorrow, unfortunately.
Jeffraham, no, didn't hear the "doesn't matter" line, but could definitely imagine it coming out of their hateful mouths. Oh, as we were leaving, they got even louder and uglier, and so I sang the first few lines of Spike Jones' "When the Fuhrer Says" complete with a Bronx cheer as we walked past...
"Rosie, come this way!"
Those are some happy tail-waggin' toothy worms, I'll tell ya!
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Ooooooooooh, man, that's no good.
Arthur, Maxx admits that you are a most handsome dog and wants to offer you some of his ice cream.
Rosie needs to be proactive not screamactive.
Arthur,
I tidied the living room.
Diane - I'll pick it up too, next time I'm down. But you should say the name again....
mena
Mena, I forgot you were also in Seattle. Sorry.
The mag's name is Bellowing Ark. My story is titled Head Talk.
And if folks want to go to Bellowingark.org, they probably could order a sample copy which should be the most recent.
Thanks for putting up with this blatant whoring.
Third thread I've tried to get a reaction on this. At least tell me to STFU, or something.
NPR News, or at least a local L.A. station's news briefs which I assume originate with NPR, said this about that big Brazilian bank job yesterday on my radio:
That it's the second biggest robbery in history...second only to (approx. quote) 'the theft of 9 billion dollars in central Iraq in 2003.'
So Halliburton's missing billions were stolen out the back of a truck somebody left idling while they went to buy cigarettes. That's what NPR thinks.
Comments?
'Enkew, Maxx, but I just can't do ice cream on top of all that stuff from last night. Maybe another time. Try not to shed.
Is there a compelling reason for this girl to be in her bra?
You had me at 'girl'. The 'in her bra' is just gravy, as it were.
Praise him with great praise.
That lout. He's just hoping to get laid. There's no real interest in cleaning the kitchen.
The freight train is hailing nuclear waste! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Eli
Hey, if you spent millions of dollars on a high-tech train, wouldn't you use it to transport nuclear waste?
No, I wouldn't either. This is turning into a classic - has anyone yelled "NOOOO!!" yet? Double points if it's followed by a huge explosion.
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Wow, Mena! That Frank Rich column was GREAT!
Maxx admits that you are a most handsome dog and wants to offer you some of his ice cream.
I always knew Maxx had no spine.
Hint to maxx, never,NEVER give in to the bigger species.
That lout. He's just hoping to get laid. There's no real interest in cleaning the kitchen.
A win-win situation.
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well, already said, but thanx for the report. cindy is an articulate and intelligent spokeswoman, and she's right.
When was the last time that the National Security Advisor was dispatched in a one-on-one with protesters.
Nûr al-Cubicle, i read on rawstory that they actually told her that president bush believes that there are WMD there. she responded "you don't even believe that" looks like bush has created his own reality, but we already knew that.
fourmourwars, not having heard the news bit, I don't know whether the announcing was being sarcastic, she may have slipped something anti-Halliburton in there and NPR not noticing. Or she's just stupid.
I always knew Maxx had no spine.
No, he's just trying to be nice.
He still thinks Arthur is a wuss about the thunder though.
Comments?
fourmorewars
Did they give any indication of WHY they would say a thing like that, or are they getting their scoops from Cap'n Ed?
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He still thinks Arthur is a wuss about the thunder though.
four legs good
@)(*#!_&&!@*(#^!@%#^!%!&&!*(@_)*(@#&*!q Maxx*(_@#+*$*&-389467*()@#&$)@#$^!!!!
never go broke betting on how dim the herd is.
-J.T.
If they were pre-Saddam, they would say MADE IN USA on them-we sold them to him, remember?
These are precursor agents shipped in from somewhere else AFTER the war. Hmmm...less than 100 miles from Syria, Iran, and Turkey!
That lout. He's just hoping to get laid. There's no real interest in cleaning the kitchen.
A win-win situation.
I suddenly feel so alone.
Arthur J. GWPDA
Are you gonna let them treat you like that?
Comments?
fourmorewars
what was it sixty four million? my reaction was, damn, i need to think about robbing a bank.
i don't imagine that's the reaction you're looking for. i don't know what to say about the 9 billion, yeah, they're ripp'n us blind.
fourmorewars: Comments?
Your report of this is the first I've heard regarding the missing $8.8B being a robbery, as opposed to simply being "missing."
Anyone got some Lexis/Nexis?
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He was in Kuwait?!?
they actually told her that president bush believes that there are WMD there
Well, it's not just Bush with his own reality, it's Chuck Schumer, too, since I have a letter from him saying the WMD "will be found soon."
"Die, you alien freaks!!"
Lou Dobbs guest stars in - Alien Express!
That kitchen remark was just uncalled for.
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That's enough for tonight. Arthur still has chores, and so does Maxx. Nobody rides this blog for free.
what was it sixty four million? my reaction was, damn, i need to think about robbing a bank.
Fuck that . Join the rebublican party and steal 8 billion. It's easy. No consequences, no cops on your trail.
I *heart* They Might Be Giants.
The Best of the Best!
Makes me wish my name was John. 
Hey, did anyone notice the content of that WaPo article seems to have changed a bit? I was going to do a clip 'n save of the relevant paragraph, which is now this:
Boylan said the suspected lab was new, dating from some time after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. The Bush administration cited evidence that Saddam Hussein's government was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction as the main justification for the invasion. No such weapons or factories were found.
I may be wrong, but I recall that when I read it a while ago, that part was worded a bit differently and maybe had another sentence or two in it. I know they edit their online stuff post facto all the time, but did anyone grab what was there to compare?
Actually I notice the part that's quoted on the winger site is different than what's at WaPo now. The paragraph I quoted above appears right in the middle of the part he posted and yet is absent from his post - though that may be because they moved things around (I thought it was later in the article previously), but if not, that's an egregious case of selective editing.
Probably best to post the money quotes when they happen since later they could easily be edited out.
I suddenly feel so alone.
NTodd
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You could put your pants back on. (helpfully)
4morewars,Charley - yeah, my reaction is of course they stole it, and of course they're going to put out some ridiculousshit like this to try and cover their asses. In a sane world, they'd of course never get away with it. But then, in a sane world, they'd never have gotten this far.
Anyone got some Lexis/Nexis?
Atrios does, I believe.
But really, there's no story there. Shit, who HASN'T lost $8,000,000,000? I'll bet I could find that in between the cushions in my couch!
fourmourwars, not having heard the news bit, I don't know whether the announcing was being sarcastic, she may have slipped something anti-Halliburton in there and NPR not noticing. Or she's just stupid.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | Email | 08.13.05 - 10:29 pm | #
No sarcasm. Straight news piece. And it's really nothing to do with the individual who read it. She's just a newsreader.
It's the meme. 'Halliburton can't account for all that money? Yes, we can so! Some bad guys robbed us!'
And NATIONAL FUCKING PUBLIC RADIO is running with it.
Please tell me they aren't using the long jump remark as some sort of foreshadowing.
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Well, it's not just Bush with his own reality, it's Chuck Schumer, too, since I have a letter from him saying the WMD "will be found soon."
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no shit? well, no matter how you cut it, wrong war at the wrong time. and maybe the precursors they found today aren't the only ones. no matter what you think of this war, right or wrong, it has been managed most ineffectively.
9 billion indeed.
I don't know what they're so excited over? For a year I kept finding WMD in my daughter's diapers. That stuff used to come out in colors that would I seriously considered patenting.
And they found a chemical plant in Iraq loaded down with household chemicals?
I'm more concerned with how the talking heads are going to respond in tomorrow's fascism-fest of talk shows. Let's see who is the first republican guest to bring this up as proof of Bush's claims? If the pussy-Democrat they usually line up for these things has any balls at all he'd respond that if this was the proof they wanted then they might as well attack Detroit Michigan because that place is filled with noxious shit worthy of being placed in delivery systems.
MYOB'
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i wonder how much 8 billion buys in votes and support when you're occupying a country and you've managed to piss everyone there off...
4morewars,Charley - yeah, my reaction is of course they stole it, and of course they're going to put out some ridiculousshit like this to try and cover their asses. In a sane world, they'd of course never get away with it. But then, in a sane world, they'd never have gotten this far.
mena | Email | 08.13.05 - 10:37 pm | #
You had to hear it, I guess. This wasn't quoting some BushAdmin figure, trying to excuse things. There was no commentary about the Administration putting the meme out.
It was a casually-passed-off statement, just a detail added on to the Brazilian-robbery story. When she said the Brazilian thing was #2 all-time, second only to.....I was expecting, I don't know, that British train robbery, or some heist from 1980-something, who knows, something they retrieved from google. But no...THIS is the common knowledge, like 'who doesn't remember the Great Iraqi Armored Car Caper of 2003?'
This unexplained loss of almost 9 billion dollars, which Al Franken says he's run by U.S. Senators for god's sake and they professed ignorance of it, this impeachable-offense-level plundering that the plundered pretty much have never heard about anywhere in the media, that NPR probably has never spent 10 minutes reporting on...it was a robbery! Didn't you know?
Winston Smith lives! He works at NPR!!!
Ubu - depends on how much you really have to have up front and how much you want to skim.
So why aren't things posting?
Well, that there is some pretty specific reporting. We can certainly figure out the precise nature of the factory based upon the vivid descriptions provided by the WaPo.
Yup.
*ahem*
Who wants to lay odds, based upon how all of these finds have played out, that this warehouse was originally stocked by a US contractor after the war to produce chemicals needed for oil extraction and production or some other "necessary" industry in the heady days after Saddam bolted from Baghdad, only to have some of the employees say "thank you, we have our own plans for this place, bye now!" The unspecified nature of the supposed precursors certainly makes me wonder whether an original purpose for the facility could be determined if a list of the chemicals found were released.
Re: Capt. Ed's claim that Eschaton readers can't read...
"No one believes at this point that the chemicals predate the fall of Saddam. That would mean that the chemicals made it into Mosul either by bringing them out of Syria or from a safe storage area in Northern Iraq. Either of those two scenarios could point back to pre-invasion Iraq as the source of the chemicals themselves, however; the former scenario only adds the possibility that Bashar Assad has lost his mind."
It certainly looks like Ed wants to believe Saddam is connected two measly sentences after saying no one believes Saddam was connected to the chemicals. The point is driven home by this sentence:
"We may have some radical rethinking to do about the nature of not just the terrorists in Iraq, but also the war narrative that said Saddam had no WMD available for his use."
The first sentence in the WaPo report displays a lot of hedging and implication, the kind of thing that got many people worked up before the war about nothing:
"U.S. troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said Saturday."
"suspected", "believed destined".
At this point, considering the unabated series of lies and half-truths that have reached the media from the military and administration, I'll wait on this one. There is simply no reason to believe a single claim made by military officers or administration officials until independently-found, solid evidence backs up anything they say.
That was fun!
What's breathtaking, IMO, is the tone: Ah, WMD, well there!
Instead of: Oh shit, WMD, our poor soldiers.
Or, oh shit, an attack on the Green Zone would be a nightmare. Or, I hope our soldiers are looking in the right places for this shit. Or, I wonder if insurgent soldiers _leaving_ Iraq will take chemical WMD skills with them? Or, oh fuck, the next tanker bomb at a checkpoint is going to fuck up 300 people instead 10.
Nope. CQ just says: So there! Take that WMD deniers.
Who'da thunk. Meth labs in Mosul...
I'm an engineer, not a chemical engineer mind you, but, unless these same folks are willing to publish an independent analysis of the chemicals, I say
cough *BS* cough
Not figuring in the difficulty of dispersion, 1500 gallons of XX would have what impact on a war zone where the insurgents have access to somewhere in the neighborhood of 250,000 tons of munitions?
That would mean that the chemicals made it into Mosul either by bringing them out of Syria or from a safe storage area in Northern Iraq. Either of those two scenarios could point back to pre-invasion Iraq as the source of the chemicals themselves,
Captain Ed is such a fucking moron. We allegedly knew where the WMD were - BushCo claims we did - which means BushCo had an obligation to provide adequate surveillance of those sites and the routes leading away from them.
If Saddam moved the weapons to Syria right under Bush's nose, despite our multiple satellites, ground-penetrating radar, and manned and unmanned recon overflights, it's a far bigger administration failure than simply being wrong about their presence.
If anyone wants 'em, I've got links to triumphalist NYT articles about how every inch of Iraq was being scanned in the run-up to the war. This "Saddam moved the weapons" argument only makes BushCo look more incompetent, but of course that doesn't occur to a blithering buffoon like "Captain Ed."
a blithering buffoon like "Captain Ed."
Phila
I would disagree, Phila.
Captain Ed is not a blithering buffoon.
Much worse than just being stupid, because he is in fact another willful idiot, who tends to be one of the first to promote unsubstantiated tin-foil hat theories and the usual Bushevik manufactured disinformation regularly. Captain's Quarters is the radical right tin-foil hat regime's equivalent to Drudge.
Wait a minute.
Now, I understand. The Captain is that guy at the beginning of every Sponge Bob episode. Okay. For a minute there, I thought you guys were talking politics.
I think my favorite is the non-denial denial Cap'n LOAD offers...that 'chemical weapons don't come out of nowhere'.
We don't know what the weapons were, but even a duly-sanctioned moron can make chlorine gas with a bathtub and a trash bag. And this doesn't even begin to take into account the number of industrial chemicals that can be 'weaponized'. The only real infrastrucure one needs for chemical weapons is somewhere to keep them.
Now, if it turns out they found 1600 pounds of prime VX, I'll be impressed. And terrified. The insurgency is already doing a nasty job without chemical attacks.
They have not even looked through the entire stash, and already Atrios is making proclimations about what was found and how long it was there?
Amazing.
Oh, and re-read the Duelfer report. Re-read the statements by the former foreign minister about Saddam's tactic of stockpiling WMD precursors, and labeling them as legitimate dual-use items.
This is getting ridiculous. Stick to making up things about Roberts.
proclamations
The whole point of the Duelfer report is that it was by a conservative and bent over backwards to be much more than fair to the W admin's lies.
It still, bottom line, found nothing.
and frankly, saddam was right
all the chemicals he SAID were dual use, were.
Hell, that was our line before the war. That we had to forbid them a whole catalog of supplies, even if that meant people died, because they wre dual use.
Dual use is one of the most common terms used in American reports on pre-war Iraq under the sanctions.
Saddam was no worse, at bottom, than a typical GOP overdog. They give their tribe, the rich, all the perks, they torture people and laugh about it, and they start otherwise pointless wars to grab a little oil and to give theit bankrupt and corrupt regime prestige.
If Saddam had been born in the US, he would be running the Christian Coalition right now.
Lou Diamond Philips is alive?
[checks dead pool]
Fuck. I had him down for yesterday.
Why would anyone think the Republicans will pay a price in 2006 when most Democrats went along with this stupid fucking war??
Please don't tell me the Democrats were lied to and couldn't help it. They were too cowardly to be a proper opposition party then.
Well he gets one thing apparently right:
No one believes at this point that the chemicals predate the fall of Saddam.
And then he says this:
That would mean that the chemicals made it into Mosul either by bringing them out of Syria or from a safe storage area in Northern Iraq.
But he doesn't explain why those are the only two options.
Could they have come from Iran? Could they have been manufactured from other, non-weaponized chemicals already available in the country? Could they have been shipped in by the US, and taken as plunder from an attack on a supply convoy? All of these possibilities would also explain the presence of these chemicals, without the need to imply that those elusive weapons were there all along, right where Rumsfeld and company said they were.
And in a nation ruled by theofascism, the government's apologists cannot dismiss the possibility that GOD put those chemicals there, perhaps to test their faith, or perhaps to give them something to feel persecuted about when rational people point out how silly their argument is.
Jesus H. Christ you morons!
How many fake WMD stories have there been so far?
Factories full of them (inoperative).
Trucks for making them (inoperative)
Canisters found buried (inoperative)
More Trucks (inoperative).
More factories (non-existant).
Scientists who made them (discredited)
Judith Fucking Miller's "Curveball" (a drunk).
Now a warehouse full of "precursors"!!!
Don't start making excuses, or scenarios up. There's no need. The story is bullshit. Just like ALL the WMD stories have been bullshit. And all the rest will be.
There are no WMDs. This is a distraction that will last just long enough for the Wingnut Media on shows like Fox And Friends to pass it off as a real find with those fucking nodding heads of theirs.
And then it will be forgotten. Like all the other "discoveries" of WMD.
Get a grip, fer Chrissake. This warehouse is a mirage.
"No one believes at this point that the chemicals predate the fall of Saddam. That would mean that the chemicals made it into Mosul either by bringing them out of Syria or from a safe storage area in Northern Iraq. Either of those two scenarios could point back to pre-invasion Iraq as the source of the chemicals...," says Capt. Ed. But any country that refines petroleum on a scale like Iraq's has a chemical industry to match, and Iraq's never shut down in the past two years. So as yet there's no reason at all to suppose that these chemicals weren't concocted from more innocous predecessor substances after we invaded. Remember the Duelfer Report: Saddam probably destroyed his chemical arsenal in 1991.
"So as yet there's no reason at all to suppose that these chemicals weren't concocted from more innocous predecessor substances after we invaded."
Except for the fact that the inordinate excess amounts were of the nerve agent and explosive fertilizer variety.
"Remember the Duelfer Report: Saddam probably destroyed his chemical arsenal in 1991."
Chemical weapons stockpiles, not dual-use chemicals.
"all the chemicals he SAID were dual use, were."
Read what his foreign minister said after he was captured. One tactic to subvert weapons inspectors was to stockpile dual-use chemicals so they could quickly restart programs after the inspectors left. Common knowledge.
"Saddam was no worse, at bottom, than a typical GOP overdog. They give their tribe, the rich, all the perks, they torture people and laugh about it, and they start otherwise pointless wars to grab a little oil and to give theit bankrupt and corrupt regime prestige. If Saddam had been born in the US, he would be running the Christian Coalition right now."
Take your lithium.
"Either of those two scenarios could point back to pre-invasion Iraq as the source of the chemicals themselves"
see, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction because, since matter cannot be created or destroyed, these chemicals existed in some form prior to the US invasion. So anything created after the invasion can be said to have existed prior to the invasion.
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