I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
fuck bush.
and damn them all to hell (even though I don't belive in hell).
Fucking pig-assed, vulture-brained motherfuckers.
the war is lost...pass it...And the administration is responsible...
But I thought they created reality. Mamma Karma, she's the bigget bitch of all of us bitches. Reality, bitches!
so does this answer Cindy Sheehan's question?
Countdown for blaming all of this on the liberals running at 5... 4... 3...
Well, can you imagine THAT?
shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning
...oh, how this adminstration has taught me the meaning of the word "cynical."
Well, can you imagine THAT?
Central Scrutinizer
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Funny how many of us did, that.
great job. now lets see, if we can get a million soldiers to iran we can win the crusades once and for all.not. would someone please poll the american people on whether or not they think the way to halt nuclear proliferation is to invade iran....please ask it now before the repub and dem congress authorize something really horrific.
Building countries is hard work. It's hard.
Now watch me clear brush.
Spin that, ass clowns.
so where does the buck stop? It's the privates, right? And maybe some sergeants, they're to blame right?
"We invaded Iraq, got 2000 soldiers killed, 12,000 soldiers wounded, 25,000 Iraqis killed, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."
"We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning."
Does this mean they are going to join the reality-based community?
Does this mean that they no longer "make their own realty?"
I won't hold my breath.
Total failure...........Even by Bush standards
I blame the liberals
So NOW we know what the "noble cause" was that 1,800 American soldiers died for - creating an Islamic Republic!
revision:
"We invaded Iraq, spent $300 billion, got 2000 soldiers killed, 12,000 soldiers wounded, 25,000 Iraqis killed, and all we got was this lousy T-shirt."
Mission Accomplished.
I blame Clinton.
I forget... is the Washington Post one of those conservative rags? Or one of those liberal rags?
Reality bites.
Fucking idiots.
They're not only evil and dishonest, they're incompetent.
Cindy Sheehan is not alone tonight.
There are 1800 other families who are now being told that we fucked up, and your child died to put a fundamentalist islamic government in power.
Thanks for the sacrifice to this noble cause.
Bastards
do you think anybody told chimpy expectations are being lowered?
I blame Michael Moore's belt size.
Quick summary:
"Our great and infallible plan for Iraq, our brave, heroic but dead soldiers and, most importantly, our great, infallible, brave, heroic but brain dead leaders were stabbed in the back by evil liberals spouting venomous truths."
Is the vacation version of the Friday document dump?
They're hoping people will forget by the time the ostrich-king is all rested and ready and open for business again...because you know he's not going to comment on this. He's on vacation, after all...
The war got Bush got re-elected. If Iraq turns into Iran West, that's for the next guy in the Oval Office to figure out. Not that we haven't seen this before, say at Harken or Enron...
But I thought they created reality.
So did they.
BWA HA HA HA HAH AH AHhA HAHA HAH AH!!
idiots.
Fucking ironic, isn't it? The self-admitted fact that these captains of industry, these worshippers at the altar of Ayn Rand, these persons who worshipp mammon above everything else -- that the one thing they simply cannot do is create an economy or provide even a basic level of sustenance. It's so fucking ironic that I'd laugh if I didn't want to slit my fucking wrists over the mess made in my name and with my tax dollars. Fuck them.
Whatever President Bush hoped to accomplish with his "sliding scale of reason" in Iraq is now lost and gone forever; he will get no oil, he will not recover the funds spent, and he will never again have the respect of other nations. His only "victory" comes in the profits he helped Haliburton obtain through no-bid contracts. Worst of all--he will not EVER get back the lives of the thousands he killed because of his hubris. Whoever is elected President in 2008 will spend their whole term (and likely the next few terms) fixing his shitty mess.
I can't believe Gore is getting away with this > calling for a Congressional hearing!
Now pass me a couple of million > I'm going on Vacation.
Haven't read the article yet - did they mention how it was all Atrios' fault that their plans are failing for his deceptive and damning posts of the magnificence that is BushCo that have so stiffened the resolve of those in Iraq who believe that perhaps they should determine how they should live and govern themselves?
Did the administration officials (speaking on condition of anonymity of course) extend their thanks to Atrios for helping them to retain power through his astoundingly influential blog that was the deciding factor in untold thousands of voters' final decision to drop Kerry and go with Bush in the last election?
Anyone?
"We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning."
Here's my suggestion.
The worthless sacks of pigshit that got us into this totally optional mess have two alternatives:
Put guns to their heads and pull the triggers now, or...
Face the gallows and die like the lowlife criminals they are.
Oops.
Hiya, Father Ted! Long time no see!
Hecate, did you conquer comcast this morning?
OT
Is James Wolcott being snarky or is he serious?
This being Saturday, the day before Sunday, I have decided to lay down my blood-stained cleaver and foster dialogue and understanding between the warring tribes of the blogosphere. There's no reason why Jeff Jarvis should the only roving ambassador of peace in these strife-torn times. I, too, wish to do my part.
Take that NARAL attack ad against Supreme Court nominee John Roberts, for example. I understand NARAL's passion, and the frustration many feel over the Swift Boat Vets ads.
But do we really want to sink to "their" level?
I think not.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Those who shout make it impossible to listen. It is only by reaching out to the other side that the hand of friendship can find a partner, and agreement can be forged.
What?
IMO there was nothing wrong with that NARAL ad.
I imagine that when Republicans heard they were getting a CEO President, they never imagined he'd be Bernie Ebbers.
I blame Michael Moore's belt size.
I forget... is "renator" a real troll or a parody-troll? What am I? Am I conservative because I agree with Pat Buchanan's foreign policy? Or am I liberal because I want to make sure that when bomb third-world countries we're doing it for the right reasons?
The United States no longer expects to see...anything that its government promised to the American people. But hey, at least we got to blow a lot of shit up!
Hey!!! Get away from him!!
"it burns..."
Sorry, I'm still watching the movie.
Exactly what Gary Frazier said.
Put guns to their heads and pull the triggers now, or...
Face the gallows and die like the lowlife criminals they are.
correct me if I'm wrong, but in Japan, if a leader screws up this bad, they resign or commit hari-kiri or something like that.
At least in Japan they understand that leaders above all must have honor.
"We set out to establish a democracy, but we're slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic," said another U.S. official familiar with policymaking from the beginning, who like some others interviewed would speak candidly only on the condition of anonymity.
So.
Osama Bin Laden's goal was to remake the whole of the middle east into one big islamic state.
And Bush did Osama's work for him.
George W. Bush is the best friend Osama Bin laden ever had in the west.
It's time for impeachment, imprisonment, and finally execution time for the commander in chief.
I suggest a good old fashioned hanging.
Being a texan-wannabe i figure George would like the gesture.
MYOB'
.
The United States: creating Islamic republics since 2003...
. . . at least Bush had a really "bitchin' ride and landing" on an aircraft carrier. He even got to have that strap snuggly fitted in his crotch.
So, basically what they're saying is "We totally and completely fucked up this country. And now we're trying to find a quick way out so they can fix our mess themselves."
I'm pretty sure their mothers would have sent them to bed without their suppers for behavior like that.
Or maybe not.
uh, I am renato and I am simply a snarky commenter.
or were you being sarcastic?
damn hard to tell these days.
HoneyBear ... I think he was being sarcastic.
(I don't think they should have pulled the ad, either.)
At least in Japan they understand that leaders above all must have honor.
renato
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w: honor?
You know...someone earlier said they didn't attack Iraq because it was unwinnable...hmmm.
Maybe Dubya should have talked to his wimpy earthly father rather than believing in what he thought was God's voice but was secretly Karl speaking into his battery back.
As someone who's been divorced, allow me to say: your ex doesn *not* necessarily possess thr truth of your soul....
Ya know, it's just the kind of thing those of us who live in reality have been saying. And the denial on the part of this administration has been infuriating. But reading this really brings home the true saddness of the situation. We fucked it up... and we can't fix it... Heartbreaking
All I can say tonight is, BLESS CINDY and Co...
4LG,
I have taken Comcast's horses and heard the lamentations of Comcast's women! I am posting right now on my wireless iBook! I recorded almost all my CDs on iTunes today. Tomorrow, I'm going to figure out these podcast thingies and make playlists. I rule!
Bwhahahahaha!
But most damage was from looting, which took down state industries, large private manufacturing, ....
Of course, bombing the shit out of the country didn't help either.
Fuckwits.
res I hope so.
I love his writing for the bite it has. I'd hate to see him go soft.
It's hard to convey sarcasm over the internets.
I guess the Bush Administration is just another bunch of Bush Haters.
The United States: creating Islamic republics since 2003...
You forget Iran!
Renato! Sorry about the typographical error.
And, yes, reality catches up with sarcasm so fast these days... I try not to satire because it often becomes true...!
Ray McGovern said today in Crawford that NO ANALYSTS in the field, NO ACADEMICS, NOBODY WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT thinks we can defeat the insurgency, and it's only going to get worse and worse and worse.The Iraqi-a-zation is as doomed as the Viet-a-mazation.
Also talked about how the newspaper headlines say that it's "Unwise" to pull out now, and that the very same words were used by all the war heads then.
The Queen of all Bitches:
1. Reality
2. Mars
3. Judith Miller
I just don't know. I'm thinking of just staying with Rick James and saying fuck the whole thing.
Gee, and who's been screaming for the past few years, warning of this exact situation?
You'd think they'd listen to us after this long. You'd almost think that Repubs are letting soldiers die out of spite for liberals. I'm kidding, of course. They're doing it because they are married to their philosophy to the point of self-destruction. I'm not sure which is worse.
It's so fucking ironic that I'd laugh if I didn't want to slit my fucking wrists over the mess made in my name and with my tax dollars. Fuck them.
Hecate
I hear you, Hecate. We've flattened a country, and for what? Some puerile wannabe with an Oedipal complex and a vision of toy soldiers in the sand, led by seriously psychopathic advisers.
For every one of the 1800 Cindie Sheehans there are tens of thousands Iraqi parents.
May God have mercy, because right now I cannot summon any.
"What we expected to achieve was never realistic given the timetable or what unfolded on the ground," said a senior official involved in policy since the 2003 invasion. "We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning."
shorter "anonymous administration official":
we were fucking wrong. The peaceniks were fucking right.
Thank you, asshole.
What do we win for being right?
The bill for this misadventure.
To be paid with interest. Literally. By us and our children and their children.
When the fuck do we get to put these murdering bastards up against the wall? I'm fucking pissed. We need a revolution.
PS I fucking hate Hell-o-scan.
Wait, but didn't the administration's plan result in a windfall of candy and flowers for our troops?
I have taken Comcast's horses and heard the lamentations of Comcast's women!
How are you fixed for salt to take care of their lands?
Bad, bad kharma. As HT said, big darkness, soon come.
We will pay for this, heavily.
And the bill will be paid not only by me, but by my son and dtr-in-law (who I adore), and by my grandkids.
Could I hate the BFEE more? Don't think so.
State industries, electricity are all below what they were before we got there .... The administration says Saddam ran down the country. But most damage was from looting [after the invasion], which took down state industries, large private manufacturing, the national electric" system.
Destroying the economy and infrastructure of a country that never posed a threat.
Now that is a noble cause.
HoneyBear ... I did a double-take when I read it, too. But it would be a complete about face from what he's written before. In any case, I'll be up to hear him on "Sedition." They never keep him on for long enough, though, IMHO.
The United States: creating Islamic republics since 2003...
You forget Iran!
Indeed. Creating Islamic republics since 1979. Before that we just created brutal dictatorships. But at least they weren't Islamic!
I recorded almost all my CDs on iTunes today. Tomorrow, I'm going to figure out these podcast thingies and make playlists. I rule!
It's awesome, isn't it?
To make a playlist you just do menu, create new playllist, then drag the songs you want into the new list.
Everytime you plug your iPod into your laptop it will automatically launch iTunes and update all the playlists.
iPhoto works the same way. Plug in your digital camera, turn it on, iPhoto will launch automatically, look at your camera, tell ya how many photos are on there and ask you what you want to do.
It's freaking awesome.
But most damage was from looting, which took down state industries, large private manufacturing, ....
Of course, bombing the shit out of the country didn't help either.
Fuckwits.
Raoul Paste
It couldn't have been the "looting"... that was just that one guy with the vase that TV kept showing over and over...
So, we were proved fucking right again!!!
Wait, but didn't the administration's plan result in a windfall of candy and flowers for our troops?
pissed away by Dubya just like the budget surplus.
So.
If even the administration now admits there is no hope of pulling the chestnuts out of the fire, what the fuck are we still doing there?
Because Bush is too stubborn to admit he's wrong, our soldiers have to keep dying.
Cindy Sheehan is right. Bring them home now.
It's so fucking ironic that I'd laugh if I didn't want to slit my fucking wrists over the mess made in my name and with my tax dollars. Fuck them.
Hecate
No reason to slit valuable goddessly wrists.
Plenty o' neocon wrists available for razoring.
It's so fucking ironic that I'd laugh if I didn't want to slit my fucking wrists over the mess made in my name and with my tax dollars.
I agree.
FUck them with a rusty chainsaw.
You know, my response to this admission of the inarguable is gonna run on far too long for a comments thread...so I'm gonna have to post it over at my place. By then everyone will have moved on to other outrages and discussions of ponies and the like.
"I still love you, Ntodd.... errr, Vic."
GWPDA,
I'm such a reasonable old lady. I just like people to show up when they say they will and do what they say they'll do. 
I believe that Comcast and I have now reached an understanding.....
trolls? care to take a spin? want to talk about paula jones anyone?
i think i'll go back to hiding my head under the covers for the rest of the night. because these assholes are not going to walk quietly away from power. something wicked this way comes, folks; i can feel it in these old bones.
Of course, bombing the shit out of the country didn't help either.
But that was done with pin point accuracy!!
< /wingut >
you'd thunk they would've asked. i'd told them it wouldn'd work
Gee could this be big-time troll repellant?
We're such fucking traitors. If we hadn't told them what would happen before it did, it might not have happened.
It couldn't have been the "looting"... that was just that one guy with the vase that TV kept showing over and over...
elkal | Email | 08.13.05 - 10:36 pm | #
besides, freedom is messy.
Exactly Sarah D. - we'll be paying for generations. And in ways unseen. There simply is no punishment great enough for what these people have done. In our name.
What do we win for being right?
The Galileo Medal for Veracity.
And to think everyone on these threads told Bush, their Senators, local newspapers, etc. for less than two cents, that the US was not going to achieve anything by the invasion in early 2003.
Well, perhaps the fault lies with us for giving fee advice. Next time, they won't be able to afford us.
I believe that Comcast and I have now reached an understanding.....
Hecate
Perhaps you'd like to explain these things politely to a certain little office in KC?
I been saving the salt until I was able to do a Lvn drive-by - but it will keep....
We're such fucking traitors. If we hadn't told them what would happen before it did, it might not have happened.
NTodd
Yeah, we jinxed it!
I believe that Comcast and I have now reached an understanding.....
Here's the good news. Now that you're up and running you'll never need to talk to their tech people again.
Oh, and make sure you download a personal firewall and virus support. (just to be safe)
Clinton's penis shorted out the electrical plants, shredded all the money, and infuriated the locals into resistance.
Damn that Clenis. Damn it to hell.
'free advice'--> the next time it will be "fee" advice.
"I still love you, Ntodd.... errr, Vic."
I'm not entirely sure how to take that.
So by sitting on the side of a road leading up to Fredo's "ranch" Cindy Sheehan is undermining the troops' morale. But by basically admitting that the whole plan was a giant clusterfuck from the beginning and that they've failed the anonymous U.S. official is not undermining the troops' morale?
4LG,
If you're going to be around tomorrow, I may call you to find out how to download those, OK?
The Galileo Medal for Veracity.
I hope we don't have to wait as long as he did for people to admit it.
We are so NOT pulling out of Iraq. We are building (or have built?) the largest US embassy in the world there,and we have planned and are in the process of building at least 14 military bases there.
WTF makes ANYONE think we are leaving Iraq, which has such a HUGe percentage of the remaining oil reserves left?
Jesus goddamned Christ on toast points, who the fuck do we think we're dealing with here, Soupy Sales?
We;re dealing with the dangerously deranged son of the former head of the CI fucking A.
Attend, people!!!
Fuck these bastards.
We told you, over and over. The military experts told you, over and over. The intelligence guys told you, over and over. The experts on the Middle East told you, over and over.
You lost the war, George. You and the idiots in your cabinet and at PNAC. You lost the war, and that's what they'll engrave on your tombstone and in the history books.
George W. Bush: Liar. Egomaniac. Child. Loser.
I thought Donald Rumsfeld said that there was no looting and that the liberal media were just showing video of the same vase being stolen over and over and over again?
If you're going to be around tomorrow, I may call you to find out how to download those, OK?
Sure, not a problem.
What's your area code (so I'll know it's you)?
didn't bush v41.0 warn that this is what would happen?
oedipus is not an australian mammal.
-J.T.
So by sitting on the side of a road leading up to Fredo's "ranch" Cindy Sheehan is undermining the troops' morale. But by basically admitting that the whole plan was a giant clusterfuck from the beginning and that they've failed the anonymous U.S. official is not undermining the troops' morale?
I think it's all in the tone of voice...
Sarah Deere, you are correct.
But occupation comes in many different forms.
I wonder if we're going to have an emergency helicopter rescue from the green zone in Baghdad when we finally wind this thing up.
Impeach Bush.
NOW
The Galileo Medal for Veracity
damnit i was going of the gallo medal
Well, thats just fucking great.
We were proved right. Now wheres our fucking prize?
Oh ya, I forgot, its a massive deficit and a huge monkey on our back called Radical Islam.
How sweet.
OT, but WAAAAY Cool...
MIT WorldStreaming Lectures and Performances
Lightning fast, beautifully clear imaging, everything in it's entirety (as far as I've seen).
Im watching Noam Chomsky on the militarization of Space. On deck: The late, Maurice Sendak.
Its my birthday
call this a little present to you!
Tony B.
4LG
703
Happy bday Tony! Lotta Leos around here!
And they used to be too stupid to chew gum and walk at the same time. Now they walk on their genitals with golf shoes.
correct me if I'm wrong, but in Japan, if a leader screws up this bad, they resign or commit hari-kiri or something like that.
Nah, Codpiece has a proxy fall on the sword for him.
Watch.
It's gonna happen. At least one high profile head rolls in the next 30 days. Count on it.
And then the "head" will get a presidential medal of freedom or some such shit. And a nice fat job down on K Street.
There is NO downside to being a sack of shit in this administration.
4LG
703
Hecate
You might want to warn Maxx that when Hecate calls, there'll be lightning bolts involved. So he better watch out!
I think it's all in the tone of voice...
I think you mean octave level...
"We set out to establish a democracy, but we're slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic"
Slowly realizing? I sure as hell hope this is a case of the neocon fantasists ignoring their intel, because it would really suck to have an analyst community so stupid that they couldn't predict what so many of the laypeople were saying before the frikkin' invasion.
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It's gonna happen. At least one high profile head rolls in the next 30 days. Count on it.
Ya, it'll be the guy who leaked the info.
I wonder if we're going to have an emergency helicopter rescue from the green zone in Baghdad when we finally wind this thing up.
Prolly not: the insurgents have shoulder-launched missiles...
Saddam is Evil- no one cares anymore; $50 billion
WMD- nope, all lies; $50 billion
Democracy- nope, electocracy; $50 billion
Freedom, the last Selling Point- now vanishing; $50 billion
not having been one of the fools that bought into this crap in the first place: priceless
No WMDs.
No peeance.
No freeance.
No democracy.
~1850 dead.
> 12,000 wounded.
tens of thousands of dead and maimed Iraqis.
$300 billion spent.
Fuck those motherfuckers to their ever-lovin' dying days.
It makes me wish there was a Hell so that I could be somewhat comforted in knowing they were all burning there for eternity.
What show had "Short Attention Span Theatre"?
Cause if we leave permanent bases in Iraq we'll have repeats of 9/11.
Don't these asshats remember that's what really pissed Osama off? Our bases in Saudi Arabia?
I thought this was an Onion article at first. Sadly it isn't.
Richard Cranium
Is that a monkey fucking a football in yor gravatar? It like so appropo.
Medals all around!
Monkeyfister - happy Bday, fellow Leo!
Thanks Hecate!
The Leo Life is certainly a good one... Like being stalked by a circus, 24/7.
Cheers!
Tony B.
So does the MSM now do its job and start holding the administration accountable for this most egregious of fuckups???
...
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
I kill myself sometimes...
But occupation comes in many different forms.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
GWPDA...elaborate? I'm highly unlikely to disagree w/you, fer shure.
Hey, no one in BushCo was held responsible for 9/11, why would we expect McFlightsuit to hold anyone accountable for $300 Billion and 1800 American lives pissed down a black hole?
Slowly realizing? I sure as hell hope this is a case of the neocon fantasists ignoring their intel, because it would really suck to have an analyst community so stupid that they couldn't predict what so many of the laypeople were saying before the frikkin' invasion.
Oh, I dunno. It kinda reminds me ofEdward Said lecturing at Univ of Texas to the assembled Middle Eastern specialists, and referring to Iran as a one bullet democracy. Whole lot of people in DC preferred to ignore a whole lot of intel that was waiting to be picked up off the hall table - people I knew who couldn't get appointments with 'people who mattered' to pass on things that were critical....
NOW would the Dems in Congress and the Senate please go on the goddamn warpath? NOW? Please? Man, I'd like to get ahold of that "we create our own reality; we're an empire" shithead and chop his dick off in small pieces and feed it to him.
Somehow, it only makes me angrier that every single fucking adult in the world saw this coming.
Its my birthday
call this a little present to you!
Happy B-day friend!
Medals all around!
WHOOHOO!
Can I have the Nobel Peace Prize Medal in Freeance, Peeance and Sheep Dip?
NTodd--
Cheers, Mate!
Tony B.
"We set out to establish a democracy, but we're slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic".
Gawd they're dumb. Too dumb for words. Juan Cole realized this on Day One and published an anaylsis. Just like Bin Laden. The US Arabist scholars advised Brezhenski against deploying the Wahhabis to Afghanistan. Fucktards.
There are 13 steps leading to the gallows.
13 knots in a hangman's noose.
13 feet which the guillotine blade falls.
After the trials.....of course.
Stupid assholes!
So by sitting on the side of a road leading up to Fredo's "ranch" Cindy Sheehan is undermining the troops' morale.
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You know, the obvious response is: if that's all it takes.......
Happy birthday, Tony! All these Leos.
This seems as good as time as any to share one of my favorite quotes ever:
"When the day comes for me to face my Maker and account for my actions, the thing I would be most humbly proud of was the fact that I fought against, and perhaps contributed to preventing, the carrying out of some hare-brained tactical schemes which would have cost the lives of thousands of men. To that list of tragic accidents that fortunately never happened I would add the Indo-China intervention."
Matthew B. Ridgway
For those of you currently scratching their heads, he wrote it in 1956. We really could have used someone with that kind of an outlook a few years back.
"We didn't calculate the depths of feeling in both the Kurdish and Shiite communities for a winner-take-all attitude," said Judith S. Yaphe, a former CIA Iraq analyst at the National Defense University.
Jesoos fucking Crisco, what universe do these people live in? They expect the Iraqis to be Jeffersonian democrats while their principle election strategy is destroy people with their lying right wing slime machine.
where have all the troolies gone?
looooong time lying.
where have all the troolies gone?
shriveled souls dying.
etc, etc.
-J.T.
elaborate? I'm highly unlikely to disagree w/you, fer shure.
Sarah Deere
Well, you don't actually have to occupy someplace with soldiers. You can occupy it by controlling the economy - always the best and cheapest way. You can occupy it by controlling the local lares and pentates, or by controlling the people who control. Granted it's a little more trouble than just sending in troops but in the end, we're building all those bases and selling all the resources to people whom 'we' control for a reason.
But most damage was from looting [after the invasion], which took down state industries, large private manufacturing, the national electric system"
Yeah, nothing to do with those Abrams rounds and cruise missile payloads blowing the Hell out of "Saddam's infrastructure." IIRC, all of the military briefers were pretty proud to point that out in the early days of Curious George Fucks Up Everything.
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Wooooot WooWoo! to all us Leos. Smiles to all.
Tony B.
Do we really believe that aliens have Mike-Mulligan-and-His-Steam-Shovel-style jaws?
I'd like to get ahold of that "we create our own reality; we're an empire" shithead and chop his dick off in small pieces and feed it to him.
It's gonna happen. At least one high profile head rolls in the next 30 days. Count on it.
Maybe one and the same?
I'm done - 'night all.
Ba ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!! Nope. They won't even be able to create an Islamic republics. The Kurds are going to want their own country (which will thrill Turkey to no end) at least. If Bushco is very, very, very lucky (and so far they are batting a thousand in bad luck) a 3 state solution can be worked out. I think Bush is going to pull the troops out as the October Surprise for the midterms and president elected in 2008 will be facing WW3.
GWPDA,
Lotsa ways to play colonialism.....
"What we expected to achieve was never realistic given the timetable or what unfolded on the ground," said a senior official involved in policy since the 2003 invasion. "We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning."
ummm Turkey denied troops to the north, all of the heavey armor was left behind, none of the U.N.s sealed bunkers were guarded and that dumb fucking rummy is still wondering what went wrong? It must be time for a medal of freedom.
The US Arabist scholars advised Brezhenski against deploying the Wahhabis to Afghanistan.
Well, they were kind of late to the game - the British Empire scholars were making vigorous noises in our collective throats long before. It's kind of a given in the field that screwing with Afghanistan is just not a winning move.
Heads On Platters...
The saddest, most irresponsible thing we citizens do is to *assume* that elected officials are smarter and better in some way than the people who elect them.
We fail to understand that it our job to supervise our public servants. If we do not, we get what we get, which is where we are today.
I have certainly been stupidly guilty of this. And I am paying the price.
I do intend to attend "town hall "meetings" w/my congresspeople and hold their feet to the fire.
The saddest thing is, I live in a blue state and am represented by very liberal folk. Which is not to say I am not grateful for them, but that I don't have much to hold to the fire!
shit, i hate that, when i get left down below meanwhile all the cool kids are up above, say'n all the cool shit.
my comment, democracy can be a messy business.
fuck'n asshats. may they each and every one burn in hell. it is very clear right here at home, not a damn one of 'em gives a rats ass about democracy
Amazing. I am speechless.
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Auntie GWPDA is right. (as usual!)
It's kind of like how the British controlled India for so long, right?
"The most thoroughly dashed expectation was the ability to build a robust self-sustaining economy.
Perhaps giving all those no-bid contracts to American corporations was not such a great bit of post-war planning after all? Pretty hard to build a self-sustaining economy when foreign workers are getting all the jobs.
Not only did Bush destroy Iraq, he destroyed the U.S. Army.
We are gonna be payin' for this asshole for a loooong time.
But inadequate training for Iraqi staff, regional rivalries restricting the power flow to Baghdad, inadequate fuel for electrical generators and attacks on the infrastructure have contributed to the worst summer of electrical shortages in the capital.
Water is also a "tough, tough" situation in a desert country, said a U.S. official in Baghdad familiar with reconstruction issues. Pumping stations depend on electricity, and engineers now say the system has hundreds of thousands of leaks.
So you see, Iraqis are free. Free from water. Free from electricity. Free from security.
Happy Birthday, Tony B.!
Goodnight everybody.
Do we really believe that aliens have Mike-Mulligan-and-His-Steam-Shovel-style jaws?
Yes, 'cept that they use diesel.
. . . too bad Bush doesn't read the papers. Do you think Rove or Condi will spoon-feed this piece to him in morsels small enough for his tiny mind to digest? I can just see him tomorrow morning before church when he's still in his jammies and sipping his juice box--he'll can get this news and pee himself. "You mean we AREN'T winning?"
It's kind of a given in the field that screwing with Afghanistan is just not a winning move.
"Haha! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never start a land war in Asia! But only slightly less well-known is this: never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"
The saddest thing is, I live in a blue state and am represented by very liberal folk. Which is not to say I am not grateful for them, but that I don't have much to hold to the fire!
Sarah Deere
I think the best way is not to give the Dems any money unless they become a true opposition party.
I got a letter from the NYS Democratic Victory Fund today asking for $ and I wrote on it "Get rid of Gregory Meeks. That's the only way you'll ever see any of my money".
Take that.
Whole lot of people in DC preferred to ignore a whole lot of intel that was waiting to be picked up off the hall table - people I knew who couldn't get appointments with 'people who mattered' to pass on things that were critical....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Which is exactly why every one of these big swinging dickheads should hang, then be drawn and quartered.
This was NOT an intelligence failure. The information necessary to avoid this clusterfuck was available for the asking.
They willfully and with malice aforethought chose NOT to ask, because they knew the truth would fuck their empire building plans but good.
If the next Dem admin doens't put these fuckers in the dock - I will move to Canada. That'll be the end of my rope.
G'nite, Samurai Sam... Thank you!
Tony B.
Happy bday Tony B. from another Leo!
M31
P.S. Isn't a monkeyfist some kind of a knot?
"Sometimes you destroy the empire with the asshat you have in charge, not the asshat you'd like to have in charge..."
- Nero
So now fucking Bushco has sent the message to the world... that Osama Bin Hiddin, and a small band of motivated terrorists, financed by the Saudi Royal Family, can lure the US into an unwinnable war played out for the whole world to see, to bring an islamic state to the formerly secular dictatorship in Iraq.
Umm, what do we win again?!?
AbovetheClouds,
He doesn't go to church. He went like twice before the election and hasn't been since. Just sayin'
Ah, the long-anticipated long jump....
Ben Grimm:
Any Matthew Ridgeways that were around in 2002 were 'retired' by 2003.
I hope this bit of news will finally give the Democratic party and its Congresscritters the balls to vociferously denounce the war and its perpetrators.
I hope...
"Haha! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never start a land war in Asia! But only slightly less well-known is this: never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"
I love that movie. 
GWPDA, yeah. "Control" has many faces, many facets. Yet...I doubt anyone ultimately controls the lares and penates, take a look at Xianity, which had to usurp the already existing pagan holidays for the Xian purpose.
The most dramatic example of control I know of is the Chinese attempt to eradicate the Hmong culture, an oral tradiion, by forbidding them their language. These resilient people learned to sew their stories into fabric.
In-fucking credible!! And...dauntless.
"The most thoroughly dashed expectation was the ability to build a robust self-sustaining economy.
Perhaps giving all those no-bid contracts to American corporations was not such a great bit of post-war planning after all? Pretty hard to build a self-sustaining economy when foreign workers are getting all the jobs.
Samurai Sam
The administration figured the Iraqis wanted to get as heavily into outsourcing as we are.
Sarah Deere, I'm glad you're still here. I wanted to wish you and the rest of the Leos a Happy Birthday.
After all, you guys can't help it that you didn't have the good fortune to be August Virgos. Excuse me, I have to go analyze something in a dispassionate manner..
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Turns out Iraq was flypaper.
But, uh, not to attract the 'terrorists' if you get my drift...
OBL is chuckling quietly to himself. "Eh-xcellent!"
He doesn't go to church. He went like twice before the election and hasn't been since. Just sayin'
Hecate
Bush's religious conversion is as much as a pose as his cowboy act.
If Bushco is very, very, very lucky (and so far they are batting a thousand in bad luck) a 3 state solution can be worked out.
Not a chance. The Sunni part of that 3 state solution has exactly zero natural resources (read: oil).
They're not going to settle for permanent 3rd world status.
"Inconceivable!"
OH NO!!!
SEQUELLL!!!!!
Not only did Bush destroy Iraq, he destroyed the U.S. Army.
Doesn't look like we had much of one to begin with...just a bunch of perk-seeking 35 year olds and 18 year-old kids from Podunk lookin' for a job. The planners relied on technology, and we've proven it's mostly worthless, except for faking bioweapons plants. Back to boots and bayonettes.
Yes, 'cept that they use diesel.
NTodd
Aren't you thinking of Pitch Black?
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flory: They're not going to settle for permanent 3rd world status.
You say this as if they have a choice.
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Hey, M31!!! Long time no see!
Yes, the Senor Bo'sun that prepares the monkeyfist lines for throwing ship to ship, or ship to shore, is called the Monkeyfister... Old Navy slang...
When Hotmail first started, I signed up AFTER my cousin, who shares the same name... I wasn't about to be a number, so I opened up my Navy, "Blue Jacket Manual." And there was the picture, and my destiny...
Tony B.
The saddest thing is, I live in a blue state and am represented by very liberal folk. Which is not to say I am not grateful for them, but that I don't have much to hold to the fire!
Sarah Deere
I live in misseri Bond & blunt. doesn't friggin matter what I think.
HoneyBearKelly |
Point made, and taken.
I suspect the payback for this fiasco is going to be hell. Not just at home, but for all of our foreign relations.
This is a defacto giving up momment by the administration. Where do they go from here?
We all know chimpy has said stay the course till he's blue in the face. But now that the truth is out. How can he do anything but withdraw? And when he does, the prevention of AQ in Iraq is left up to the Iraqi's themselves. WIll they be strong enough?
Yes, 'cept that they use diesel.
NTodd
Aren't you thinking of Pitch Black?
Riddick rulez!
" "Inconceivable!"
NTodd"
ding, ding, ding. we have a winner.
-J.T.
Fielding...I'm a Virgo -- have been 60 yrs this month!!
SD
Sunnis pressured to OK Constitution
And it's becoming clear that the new Iraqi Constitution is all about Furious George and not about a decent government for Iraq.
"""President Jalal Talabani predicted a draft constitution will be ready by Monday's deadline, and a Kurdish official said the draft would be presented to parliament with or without Sunni approval."""
Without Sunni approval? *shaking my head* That'll calm down the Sunni insurgents. *shaking my head*
It's kind of a given in the field that screwing with Afghanistan is just not a winning move.
They should have listened to Vezzini.
Sooooo....
now what?
Seriously though folks.
I really shouldn't blame President Bush for being responsible for all of this.
The guy has the brain of a child and the wits of a spoiled teenager.
I doubt he's intelligent enough even to screw up. He's got servants his dad's money and power got for him to screw things up for him.
But we should realize that this sort of revelation that the administration has done Osama Bin Ladens work for him will no doubt be lost on everyone on the right.
When all is said and done they will just be glad they got a couple hundred thousand sand nigger lives out of it to make sure they didn't leave empty handed.
I figure christians and Jews both should just be glad they never found large oil reserves under Israel otherwise we'd be living in the end times as Bush decides to play the role of the anti-christ and invades Jerusalem.
MYOB'
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It couldn't have been the "looting"... that was just that one guy with the vase that TV kept showing over and over...
elkal
Heh. In D minor.
Wooooot WooWoo! to all us Leos. Smiles to all.
Tony B.
Monkeyfister
Big up yourself (as our local raggae DJ says), Leos! I'm still trying figure out whether being born on the 19th gives me Clenis coattails on which to ride or whether its awesome power has left the rest of us born on that day (except for Gene Roddenberry, maybe) with only the celestial crumbs, dooming us to ordinariness.
This is a defacto giving up momment by the administration. Where do they go from here?
Well, we all know from our education by Gary Ruppert and Robert that we can't cut and run, so I guess we'll just declare victory and go home!
Ah crap. From Rich:
Nothing that happens on the ground in Iraq can turn around the fate of this war in America: not a shotgun constitution rushed to meet an arbitrary deadline, not another Iraqi election, not higher terrorist body counts, not another battle for Falluja (where insurgents may again regroup, The Los Angeles Times reported last week). A citizenry that was asked to accept tax cuts, not sacrifice, at the war's inception is hardly in the mood to start sacrificing now. There will be neither the volunteers nor the money required to field the wholesale additional American troops that might bolster the security situation in Iraq.
Fielding...I'm a Virgo -- have been 60 yrs this month!!
SD
Sarah Deere
Yay! Here's a.. hearty Virgo handshake.
I'm a bit worried about sallyh. She seems to have dropped out of bad SciFi liveblogging. Maybe she just went to the store.
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You might want to warn Maxx that when Hecate calls, there'll be lightning bolts involved. So he better watch out!
He loves his auntie Hecate.
And he thinks lightning is cool.
Burble, burble, burble. Burp. Erp.
So, they're beginning to figure out they started a war, and now have lost it.
Told them so. They didn't listen.
Ain't reality a bitch, neo-con swine?
You all belong in jail. On a good day.
We were fucking right all along.
How is Bush going to spin this? Just do what he did to the military guys who spoke off script last week?
He has only one theme: War president.
So, he can't let go of that--will he change the subject by changing countries? And with what army? Oh, that's right--the air force hasn't been pressed into infantry service yet (as some in the Navy have), so he can bomb Iran to hell.
I just can't see these anonymous leaks reflecting BushCo. What is going on?
Palace revolt?
I'm a bit worried about sallyh. She seems to have dropped out of bad SciFi liveblogging. Maybe she just went to the store.
Well, it's only 8 pm on the west coast. Maybe she was having dinner with Monsieur.
I'm sure Jean Schmidt will put the Republicans back on top when she gets to congress.
I think Sallyh got roped into taking her kid to Malibu.
Haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if someone has already pointed this out:
U.S. officials now acknowledge that they misread the strength of sentiment among Kurds and Shiites to create a special status. The Shiites' request this month for autonomy to be guaranteed in the constitution stunned the Bush administration, even after more than two years of intense intervention in Iraq's political process, they said.
"We didn't calculate the depths of feeling in both the Kurdish and Shiite communities for a winner-take-all attitude," said Judith S. Yaphe, a former CIA Iraq analyst at the National Defense University.
The "52% is a mandate" administration underestimated the winner-take-all attitude of the Kurds and Shias? Are they fucking kidding me?
We need bumper stickers:
IMPEACH, TRY
AND EXECUTE BUSH!
I'm going to go pound my head against the wall for awhile, then go to bed.
They invaded our land. They sodomized our husbands. They killed our sons. And all I got is this lousy Burqa.
If we lose Iraq, we will next lose Kuwait.
Then Saudi Arabia,
Then Egypt.
Then Libya
Then Malta
Then Italy
There goes te Pope
Ending the insurrection will save the Pope
Ya know, GWPDA is right.
There was so much expertise out there if only they'd have asked.
But NOOOOOO!! chimpy hates anyone with a Ph.D. after their name.
It's infuriating.
Good Evenin', JT.
I don't want to go jinxin' us, but have you all noticed that we've been monkey-free for a really long time?
Is there a Troll Convention this weekend, a birthday present from God? Has the Republican Rapture come?
Tony B.
Regarding the looting of Iraq after the invasion, I'm sure all the regulars know about Naomi Klein's article, so this is for any relative newcomers:
http://www.harpers.org/
BaghdadYe...adYearZero.html
Tom, here's the latest on the Constitution.
21:49 Baghdad. Sunni minority rejects federalism. We neither accept nor desire federalism. We remain convinced that it means division and it cannot be approved at this time, said Kamal Hamdoun, a Sunni delegate to the Constitutional Drafting Committee.
Even if they get a draft down to the Assembly, the Sunni provinces will vote in down. By law, if as few as three provinces "no" in the constitution referendum, it's null and void.
JT--
Dig this:
http://mitworld.mit.edu/stream/
Tony B.
Can someone name ONE FUCKING THING they've gotten right?
Even one? in any area?
I sure can't.
So what WAS the NOBLE CAUSE OVER 1,800 died for Mr. President?
OMG, You have to be kidding me, right?
>i>We were fucking right all along.
screwit | Email | 08.13.05 - 11:10 pm | #
I'm losing sleep over it.
Is there a Troll Convention this weekend, a birthday present from God? Has the Republican Rapture come?
Facts and definitive proof that their fearless leader is a fuckup works as excellent troll repellent.
This was NOT an intelligence failure. The information necessary to avoid this clusterfuck was available for the asking
I was reading the India Times * Pak. Times before the invasion, both said Saddam was dispering his arsenals to the masses. He handed out 40,000 RPG launchers & ammo for two mos. But of course everyone knows that chimpy & co don't read the papers.
we're forgetting about the amazing powers of karen hughes.
p.r. can fix anything.
this development will be entitled:
"Freedom United (muslims) Christians, Kurds, Ever Democratic!"
-J.T.
You say this as if they have a choice.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
They may very well end up with permanent 3rd world status -- courtesy of Chimpy and friends. But they won't settle for it, and certainly won't sign any piece of paper guaranteeing it - they'll get there kicking and screaming all the way.
Can someone name ONE FUCKING THING they've gotten right?
MARS, BITCHES!
The "52% is a mandate" administration underestimated the winner-take-all attitude of the Kurds and Shias? Are they fucking kidding me?
TJ | Email | Homepage | 08.13.05 - 11:12 pm | #
The chief executive of this administration did not know the difference between Shia and Sunni, or that there was one, as late as a month or two before the invasion. Source: an Iraqi exile, a gung-ho-for-invading Iraqi exile, who spoke with him at a WH function shortly before we went to war.
If we lose Iraq, we will next lose Kuwait.
Then Italy
There goes te Pope
It's an ill wind that blows no good.
It's not the first night.
Does this mean we rename it Operation Iraqi Islamic Republic?
Repubics is more like when we drop the last remaining illusion of a united Iraq.
The chief executive of this administration did not know the difference between Shia and Sunni
Hell, Wolfoblitz didn't even know that Najaf and Karbala were Shi'ite shrines.
I hate haloscan and haloscan hates me.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Sept. 11 commission knew military intelligence officials had identified lead hijacker Mohamed Atta as a member of al-Qaida who might be part of U.S.-based terror cell more than a year before the terror attacks but decided not to include that in its final report, a spokesman acknowledged Thursday.
this development will be entitled:
"Freedom United (muslims) Christians, Kurds, Ever Democratic!"
Actually, I believe that's the Singular Opportunity for Freedom United (muslims) Christians, Kurds, Ever Democratic!
Can someone name ONE FUCKING THING they've gotten right?
Diebold
Oh for fuck's sake! I SAID THIS BEFORE THE FUCKING WAR!
Apologize to me, wingnut trolls.
NOW.
Bush is accountable. Period. May his head explode. May his genitals wither. May what passes for his heart rupture.
Fucker.
Juan Cole was right folks.
The winner of the Iraq war is.....IRAN.
Nûr al-Cubicle --
Mission fucking accomplished, eh? The whole Constitutional in the middle of Civil (is not, so stop saying that) and resistance war...basically at American gun-point, the whole crazy deadline issue... All the while, BushCo KNOWS that it's all a loss and a sham, and a serious political catastrophy.
Thus the very confusing, yet impressive "discovery" of barrels of Formula 409. Freshly stored (it was not... been there all along, shush you) , and well, we already see that that those pesky facts are going to be dismissed, and supplanted with all kinds of Jingoistic mahem. And George had the nerve to rattle Saddam's gun at Iran today... what the fuck?
wrow! The madness of these people is killing me!
Tony B.
It's an ill wind that blows no good.
Hecat
luckily I live with a couple of dogs, and can always blame them for ill winds.
Central Scrutinizer: "I'm losing sleep over it".
Wonder if Bush is. Probably not.
Do we bail? It's getting to be the only option left, but are there others?
Would we tear down the bases? Would we try to manage things or have *some* sort of input from a distance? Is the UN capable of settling anything?
Is it really too late for us to do any good (and who I mean by 'us' is 'reality based' people rather than 'reality creating' loons)?
I don't like to think so... but that is the problem with the Truth... sometimes *everybody* gets hurt.
But let me also include Cheney, Rummy, Condi. And all the rest who have imposed this bullshit upon us. May they all reap what they have sown. Quickly. Soon. Immediately.
They're not going to settle for permanent 3rd world status.
We, however, are fucked.
So, does this story get national attention?
Evening, moonbats.
I guess the Israelis are not the only ones who can create facts on the ground.
and my typing is killing me too... Dang, did I string those words together?... ooooh.... sorry for the mess... I'm getting birthdayfied.
Tony B.
It's a good thing America soundly rejected the anti-war left in November...
Even if they get a draft down to the Assembly, the Sunni provinces will vote in down. By law, if as few as three provinces "no" in the constitution referendum, it's null and void.
Nûr al-Cubicle
What did Stalin say about voting and counting the votes?
What did Hersh say about the Busheviks and tampering with the previous election to force a coalition with pro-American exiles?
Remember to vote it down requires a two-thirds no in three provinces. A little tamper tamper here and there might make it 63% or 64% instead of 67%.
Oh for fuck's sake! I SAID THIS BEFORE THE FUCKING WAR!
Apologize to me, wingnut trolls.
NOW.
Thers
Absolutely! Where is my apology as well you simpering assholes?
Can you imagine a bigger clusterfuck than this?
Juan Cole was right folks.
The winner of the Iraq war is.....IRAN.
God like that wasn't always the most fucking likely outcome.
HEY, GREAT FUCKING JOB FIGHTING "ISLMOFASCISM," TROLLS!
luckily I live with a couple of dogs, and can always blame them for ill winds.
1Watt
hee hee..... 
Unfreakingbelievable! They act like no one could possibly have foreseen this! Christ, a LOT of people were saying exactly this before we even invaded the godforsaken place, but the liberal media wouldn't give them a second of airtime. I know this is all obvious, but I just gotta vent. Aaarrggh!
Oil production is estimated at 2.22 million barrels a day, short of the goal of 2.5 million. Iraq's pre-war high was 2.67 million barrels a day.
The United States had high hopes of quick, big-budget fixes for the electrical power system that would show Iraqis tangible benefits from the ouster of Hussein. But inadequate training for Iraqi staff, regional rivalries restricting the power flow to Baghdad, inadequate fuel for electrical generators and attacks on the infrastructure have contributed to the worst summer of electrical shortages in the capital.
Yeah... We "shock and awe" the hell out of them because we can make it better than when Saddam was in power... Seems to me as though someone was drinking too much or something.
flory: They may very well end up with permanent 3rd world status -- courtesy of Chimpy and friends. But they won't settle for it, and certainly won't sign any piece of paper guaranteeing it - they'll get there kicking and screaming all the way.
They'll even manage a good fight for a few years, I'm guessing -- they have some good stashes of ammo and weapons, I'd wager. But they will fall by the wayside soon enough, unless Turkey and/or Iran comes marching in.
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Can someone name ONE FUCKING THING they've gotten right?
If you read the RNC platform very carefully there was some small print about 'guaranteeing profits for Halliburton and related companies.'
I think they got that part right.
And its really the only part they ever cared about.
Oh for fuck's sake! I SAID THIS BEFORE THE FUCKING WAR!
You and me, and millions of others across the country and the world. We were there in DC in Oct., 2002, stood in the cold in January, marched again in March of 2003...
We TOLD them it couldn't work. But, they never listen to reason.
Hotheads.
Tony B.
Juan Cole was right folks.
The winner of the Iraq war is.....IRAN.
What if that's who we wanted to win all along?
Reagan wins in '80 because of the October Surprise. Vows to never deal with terrorists, but gets involved in Iran-Contra. Bush I weakens Saddam in 1991. Bush II finishes the job, thus creating an imbalance allowing the Shia to reassert themselves regionally.
Tom Clancy was right in end result--just wrong in means.
Juan Cole was right folks.
The winner of the Iraq war is.....IRAN.
Nikki
Ding. Ding. Ding.
We have a winner.
Is the UN capable of settling anything?
If you are capable remembering anything, the chimp blew off the U.N. and the rest of the world, that's why we are alone in the quagmire except for a few thousand buought & paid for allies.
I'd have to vote this story as the most important one posted at Eschaton this week.
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Going to bed.
Gore/Clark '08.
Mars, bitches.
I'm getting birthdayfied.
Tony B.
Enjoy it while you can -- the future ain't lookin' so hot....
evening batwing leftists
everytime I read "mars, bitches" I get a good chuckle.
So has it been revealed that the war is not going swimmingly?
This was NOT an intelligence failure. The information necessary to avoid this clusterfuck was available for the asking
Fuck, even if they'd ever watched "The Princess Bride"...
Oh for fuck's sake! I SAID THIS BEFORE THE FUCKING WAR!
Apologize to me, wingnut trolls.
NOW.
Thers
Trolls B Gone. Apparently a post saying "Admin officials admit they're a clueless bunch of dipshits" is even more effective than a music thread as repellant. I'm sure some of the dead-enders will be in here after in a couple hours. They just love to prove their manly virtues by posting drive-by slags at the end of a thread.
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Matthew: Why yes, yes it is going swimmingly; as long as you don't mind swimming in shit.
A mystery knock at my chamber door... (peek) not the cops.
Must go..
Good night.
Tony B.
But they will fall by the wayside soon enough, unless Turkey and/or Iran comes marching in.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Mebbe.
Depends on how much support they get from Saudi Arabia.
Will SA want a strong peaceful Iraq aligned with Iran? Doubtful.
Fuck, even if they'd ever watched "The Princess Bride"...
joycamp
you mean "Never go in against a Sicilian, when *death* is on the line?"
I'd have to vote this story as the most important one posted at Eschaton this week.
I'm not familiar with the other author of the article, but I have to give due credit to Robin Wright. I saw her on CSpan a couple years ago and have been paying attention ever since, she seems to be one of that rare breed, a competent reporter.
So has it been revealed that the war is not going swimmingly?
Oh, no, no, no, no, no...yes.
flory: Depends on how much support they get from Saudi Arabia.
Will SA want a strong peaceful Iraq aligned with Iran? Doubtful.
I'm kinda convinced that they have little choice but to cup their balls, and pray that Uncle Sam is ready to fire up the nukes to save their asses, though.
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I'm kinda convinced that they have little choice but to cup their balls, and pray that Uncle Sam is ready to fire up the nukes to save their asses, though.
No doubt this will become the CW among the warbloggers very soon.
We, however, are fucked.
Thers
great thread, and no trolls. hmmm...
still, without a complete awareness of what this portends i'm in the ill wind camp.
all that iran talk is making me nervous. juan coles assertions give me no comfort either.
remember, chimpy and crew don't give a fuck, obviously.
It's a good thing America soundly rejected the anti-war left in November...
NTodd
Too bad we didn't actually run an anti-war candidate. I'm hoping progressives smarten up and dig up some more Hacketts for 06. Really getting tired of trying to win elections by making noises about waging a smarter war.
Of course, the problem is that almost everyone inside the beltway is tainted from war fever. A whopping exception and a tip of the chapeau for John Conyers.
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Trolls B Gone. Apparently a post saying "Admin officials admit they're a clueless bunch of dipshits" is even more effective than a music thread as repellant. I'm sure some of the dead-enders will be in here after in a couple hours. They just love to prove their manly virtues by posting drive-by slags at the end of a thread.
But if Clinton had nabbed Atta back in 2000, 9/11 never would've happened and Bush never would've been forced to invade Iraq!
They'll even manage a good fight for a few years, I'm guessing -- they have some good stashes of ammo and weapons, I'd wager. But they will fall by the wayside soon enough, unless Turkey and/or Iran comes marching in.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
they have some very good stashes of HX, and they have a very good pipeline to the Balkins. The Euro. countries are in for one hell of a time. Blood fueds have lasted for over 600 yrs..Cheney has opened a can of Dune sized worms.
But...but...George, WHO's gonna fight Al Qaeda over there so we don't have to fight 'em here, once we roll up our flypaper and go home??? Doesn't this mean the terr'ists will show up on our shores?
"My answer is, bring 'em on."
Oh.
heads up all you scifi fans:
"humanoids from the deep": doug mcclure, ann turkel, vic morrow: a fisherman and a scientist fight back when mossy sea monsters assault women.
showing on ifc tonite.
http://walken2008.com/
gwah?!
hahahahahaha!!!
ah.
ooooooooooh.
I distinctly recall that Cheney was asked what would be the US response if a democratic Iraq voted for Islamic rule.
He dismissed the question, said it wasn't going to happen. But he didn't exsplain WHY it wasn't going to happen.
evening, batties. i'm majorly emotional tonight, so i'll make this comment on the topic:
we have two choices.
we either believe that
-boosh and his minions are the most incompetent, illiterate, willfully ignorant politicians in the history of the US. unable to read a briefing, consult with a knowledgeable academic, read a history book or think thru a post-imperial situation. they went forth on a romantic crusade of choice, utterly unconcerned with the cost in dollars, american and iraqi life, or impact on the global geopolitical structure. for no other reason than to piss off a dad, and make some self important 'think tank' signees feel relevant.
or
-this is not about incompetence. it's about money, and a great deal of it. its about Strauss, and a Perfect Storm of oil revenues, technocracy, MIC (brown & root, halliburton, carlyle) revenues, and the opportunity to sell out whats left of a dying empires credit to an emerging empire of slave labor driven capitalism. its about a group of people so few and elite, and so distanced in actuality from values of american patriotism and democracy as to be unbelieved, and their rush to get whats theirs' before a global collapse of environmental, oil related, and racial constructs which have supported, artificially, a western dominance and way of life of centuries, in the face of an unstoppable reaction on the part of those peoples and economic classes, who have artificially supported said system that itself has brought about its own destruction, at the cost of all.
or perhaps some combo of both, i'm not sure.
This stuff really upsets me. The bill's coming due for four years of lunatic policy and we all have to pay it, some of us in blood, all of us in national shame. Not to mention the money.
And I thought I was done having to put up with fuckwit irresponsible roommates after I left college.
Crrrrrrrrap.
you mean "Never go in against a Sicilian, when *death* is on the line?"
matthew
Close ...hey, that could explain it--Bush was choking on a pretzel during that line and missed it.
wouldn't it be cool if a guy who danced in a Fat Boy Slim video ran for president?
Christopher Walken as president would be . . .
Words escape me: creepy? Bizarre? Better?
chidyke basically covers it.
"humanoids from the deep": doug mcclure, ann turkel, vic morrow: a fisherman and a scientist fight back when mossy sea monsters assault women.
Doug McClure! Dr. Science's mentor, I believe...
"humanoids from the deep": doug mcclure, ann turkel, vic morrow: a fisherman and a scientist fight back when mossy sea monsters assault women.
Doug McClure! Dr. Science's mentor, I believe...
1Watt: thanks for worrying about my memory. I remember standing in a couple of fairly large crowds listening to John Kerry saying one of the things he wanted to do was get our allies and the UN involved in a meaningful way.
I just wonder if that is still possible... part of me thinks it is *if* we are willing to take a secondary role in the management... but the bigger part of me says the time for all that is gone now, screwed away by Bush.
& to think some of those fools said in public they thought the Iraqis would build statues of Bush...
chicago dyke: or perhaps some combo of both, i'm not sure.
BINGO was his name-o.
.
Can someone name ONE FUCKING THING they've gotten right?
They got rid of that pesky budget surplus.
CD--
as spectactularly incompetent as Bush seems in his rare public performances, I'd still have to vote for Scenario Number Two.
and it makes me weep for the future of my children.
chicago dyke, I don't know why they did it. I don't think THEY know why they did it.
They're like a bizarre crossbreed of Captain Ahab and Cap'n Crunch.
It's all about politics. Bush wasn't just gonna be a WAR president, but a WON A WAR AND LOOK AT ME NOW BITCHES president. Incompetence came along for the ride and monetary handouts to crony friends were just icing on an exceedingly stale cake.
i can't wait till this hits the freeper boards.
blood in the scuppers.
-J.T.
Walken for Prez?
seriously? that's not a joke?
He has my vote.
Just for the comedic value of seeing him deliver a State of the Union address!
But if Clinton had nabbed Atta back in 2000, 9/11 never would've happened and Bush never would've been forced to invade Iraq!
NTodd
That's one avenue of unreality, but I'm betting on a WaPo = librul media rant with a link to NewsMax for 'da trufe'. Perhaps we should wager a fine pair of trousers.
Nice summation, CD. As always, glad to "see" you here.
-
"But by basically admitting that the whole plan was a giant clusterfuck from the beginning and that they've failed the anonymous U.S. official is not undermining the troops' morale?"
Of course not. All good christians will now come with re-doubled vigor to the aid of the Bush admin because of their willingness to repent for their sins. All will be forgiven. BushCo will maintain their majority in the next round of national elections. See, that wasn't so complicated, now was it!
They're like a bizarre crossbreed of Captain Ahab and Cap'n Crunch.
Thers
well the roof of my mouth is always raw after listening to those nitwits, so I'm thinking a little more crunch than Ahab
Can someone name ONE FUCKING THING they've gotten right?
tax cuts for the rich.
(they got that right, if you're wealthy that is)
I guess we'll only be able to declare a modest victory instead of an overwhelming one.
I am a college-age student and appalled
anti-war activists and organizations, which are
exploiting a grieving mother.
It is no secret that Cindy Sheehan has already
met with President Bush and changed her story
about the meeting. In addition other members
of the Sheehan family do not agree with the
political motivations and publicity tactics of
Cindy Sheehan. I acknowledge that some
people disagreed with President Bush and the
war in Iraq. But, using a mothers grief over a
son, is not the way.
Jonathan Moore | Email | Homepage | 08.13.05
- 10:35 pm | #
jmoore34@indstate.edu
BushCo - fucking pwn3d by OBL.
Wonder how this WaPo story will be discussed on the Sunday morning atrocity shows.
I used to live in Vancouver, and miss the spectacular view I used to have every single day, so I visit the website: www.katkam.ca where they have a webcam set up on the English Bay beach.
Well, the woman who runs this site thinks this gives her the right to post such disrepectful comments such as this one:
This is truly the end of an era. Now we have dopes joining the US military and complaining about where they are sent to fight, and idiots camping out at the US President's ranch because someone's kid died in combat, as though what he joined was not the military but rather a college or summer camp or something. News flash: When you join the military, the idea is that you give your life to your country. Like, duh. But try telling that to some losers these days, who somehow got it in their retarded heads that there ought to be no risk in joining the bloody military.
If you think she is a warmonger and just plain wrong, do us all a favour and send her an e-mail at:
hepkat@telemark.net
but please do not indicate your real name anywhere, because she will post it on her site, and you will have a dickens of a time removing it from google.
an o.t. trool.
shocking.
-J.T.
Phil Ochs
What are you fighting for?
Turn on your TV, turn it on so loud
And watch the fool a smiling there and tell me that you're proud
And listen to your radio, the noise it starts to pour
Oh I know you're set for fighting, but what are you fighting for?
Read your morning papers, read every single line
And tell me if you can believe that simple world you find
Read every slanted word till your eyes are getting sore,
I know you're set for fighting, but what are you fighting for?
And listen to your leaders, the ones who won the race
As they stand right there before you and lie into your face
If you ever try to buy them, you know what they stand for
I know you're set for fighting, but what are you fighting for?
Put ragged clothes upon your back and sleep upon the ground,
And tell police about your rights as they drag you down,
And ask them as they lead you to some deserted door,
Yes, I know you're set for fightin', but what are you fightin' for?
But the hardest thing I'll ask you, if you will only try
Is take your children by their hands and look into their eyes
And there you'll see the answer you should have seen before
If you'll win the wars at home, there'll be no fighting anymore
An Islamic republic in Iraq?
Iraq allied with Iran?
Uh, yeah... we meant to do that!
</bushco>
Jonathan, I'm glad I retired from teaching college-age students who shouldn't be in college.
Jonathan Moore has a choice: either hop on the clue bus, or blow steve simels.
This stuff really upsets me. The bill's coming due for four years of lunatic policy and we all have to pay it, some of us in blood,
thers,
the bloodletting for this catastrophic fuck-up hasn't even begun, i fear.
Bush has accomplished what Saddam never did - turning Iraq into one heck of a terrorist training camp - Good Job Bubble Boy!
They're like a bizarre crossbreed of Captain Ahab and Cap'n Crunch.
Thers
Arrr, mateys! 'Tis Cap'n Ed with a hearty dish of rehashed wingnuttery.
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So does that mean we will AGAIN have "Shock & Awe" in Iraq while we are bombing Iran???
This war is an atrocity. History will not judge America well.
They got rid of that pesky budget surplus.
Ahem. 1Watt, you KNOW what word you should've used in place of 'pesky', right?
so shall we start a betting pool on who will be the first wingnut blogger to say:
Of COURSE we lost Iraq! Thanks to all the lefties who didn't clap hard enough!
Jonathan, I'm glad I retired from teaching college-age students who shouldn't be in college.
If you ever get nostalgic, I could send you a few....
How are you doing?
riiiiiight. the military is really just institutionalized suicide services for poor kids. Well, that'll help recruitment for the war to outstupid all wars just skyrocket, i'm sure.
fuckheads.
oh hell, i thought the walken2008 was a goof. talkleft says no. here's the press release:
http://www.walkenforpres.com/
pre...050809_rel.html
But if Clinton had nabbed Atta back in 2000, 9/11 never would've happened and Bush never would've been forced to invade Iraq!
NTodd
I...I...you...you...
big...doo-doo sniffin'...no, quick oats peddlin'...guy.
Christopher Walken as president would be . . .
Words escape me: creepy? Bizarre? Better?
DWD
Ever see True Romance? I rerun the final confrontation with Dennis Hopper every time I view it. There's a meeting for the ages.
an o.t. trool.
NTodd - looks like we both lose, but I'm not doing pants-free lawn mowing.
I will bet that one of the goofs pops in with Air America pretty soon.
-
Curly maint req'd. Hold the fort for a few, please.
.
NORTHCOM plans nuclear terrorist attack war games this month
Oh, are we ever so lucky (cartoon)
Christopher Walken as president would be . . .
Words escape me: creepy? Bizarre? Better?
DWD
I, for one, welcome our new Dead-Zone overlord.
re: Iraq
I blame Atrios and the Human Debris.
jmoore34@indstate.edu
Watch him trying to clear his name off of Google....
oh my fuckinmg gawd Chrisopher Walken as President!!!!!
Myb drerams have come true
I am replete.
NYMary, if you're still here, Hi!
Walken/Malkovich 2008!
oh my fuckinmg gawd Chrisopher Walken as President!!!!!
Myb drerams have come true
I am replete.
Sarah Deere | Email | 08.14.05 - 12:02 am
As bizarre as that would be, it would be far more sane than the crew of Stratego-playing fat asses currently infesting our White House.
But if Clinton had nabbed Atta back in 2000, 9/11 never would've happened and Bush never would've been forced to invade Iraq!
NTodd
and had someone in the bush admin had read the hart-rudman study someone would have put locks on the doors of aircraft. but dick dick blew it off until 9-10-01
Does anybody else think Bush is going to end up calling up a draft?
Remember kids: the floor-humper ad means whatever's on that site is pure nonsense.
Bush ain't gonna have a draft, he and his buddies will move to Aruba and let our financial ship sink.
This is why white women are missing in Aruba.
No thanks, Thers.
I'm fine, thank you.
Does anybody else think Bush is going to end up calling up a draft?
yeah.
make his Budweiser.
Seriously. I hope the realization that his effort to eradicate his daddy complex has resulted in a miserable failure (AGAIN), drives him to drink.
A lot.
I'm talking Joe McCarthy 'a lot'.
And you know how he ended his days.
my goodness--they admit operation endless clusterfuck is a failure. but recognizing reality is a slippery slope for them--how will they justify tax cuts for the rich, or pushing creationism, or trying to destroy social security, or any of a hundred other boneheaded policies if they start thinking reality is important?
I told my sister in February 2003:
"They're going to botch the war."
My next prediction, August 2005:
"They've run the economy into the ground."
"They've ignored our oil consumption problem."
"They let inflation go too far, calling the real estate prices GOOD for the country."
try to remember the kind of September.....
sure, we'll believe you just miscalculated, didn't know or couldn't have expected again.
...without a hurt the heart is hollow....
Will this admission make the Sunday morning circle jerk sessions tomorrow?
I think not.
Tomorrow will be more evil Cindy the strangler of our Troops resolve.
Or perhaps Fox will have the well-marbled Curt Weldon trying his best to peddle his Clenis-blaming story about 9/11.
chidy:
Door number 2.
And Dwight David Eisenhower - that screaming liberal - warned the country that this was coming about a half century ago.
We didn't fucking listen.
I blame Atrios and the Human Debris.
renato
I hate to resort to beer out the nose so I won't, O magnificent Renator!
It was pretty funny to watch cog trying to blame Atrios for the Iraqi insurgency.
"Do you have the explosive device prepared yet, Hassan?"
"No, I am too busy enjoying the posts of our friend Atrios. Thanks be to Allah that the total lack of infrastructure here has still somehow allowed me to access the intranet!"
"Allah is indeed merciful. Let us now destroy the avatars of Democracy and Freedom, which I would add parenthetically, we hate a whole bunch."
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No thank you Mr. Walken. First, we've had enough movie stars in government for quite a long time, thank you. Second, next time around, I want a president who can string together coherent sentences.
as for chicago's assertion 2 could not have happened without 1.
and christopher walken would be a better president. hell, my aggressive male cat would be a better president.
that doesn't mean i think he would be a good president.
Walken/Malkovich 2008!
renato '
oh, better and best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE!!!
Islamic Republic? You mean cheat, steal, lie, threaten, marginalize? Hedgemony?
The Iraqis learned well, from Bushco!
There is a lot of bad news for Bush coming outt Sunday.... real bad news...
General Casey personally chastised by Bush for talking about troop reductions.... but the Army is saying it can't take any more...
I think Bush's sanity is going to be questioned before this is all over.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...=/news/2005/08/
14/ixworld.html
Bush slaps down top general after he calls for troops to be pulled out of Iraq
By Philip Sherwell in Washington
(Filed: 14/08/2005)
The top American commander in Iraq has been privately rebuked by the Bush administration for openly discussing plans to reduce troop levels there next year, The Sunday Telegraph has learned.
President George W Bush personally intervened last week to play down as "speculation" all talk of troop pull-outs because he fears that even discussing options for an "exit strategy" implies weakening resolve.
...
Politically, the administration will be under pressure to signal a significant cut in the US presence by autumn next year to help Republicans fighting mid-term elections in November 2006. Military commanders, however, also need to wind down numbers, the imperative that prompted Gen Casey's comments, according to Dan Goure, a Pentagon adviser and vice-president of the Lexington Institute defence think-tank.
"It's number-driven," Mr Goure said. "The military can only maintain these levels in Iraq if it has absolutely no choice. Otherwise, the current pattern of rotations and other commitments mean that they will have to lower numbers."
Does anybody else think Bush is going to end up calling up a draft?
Sandy-LA (Calif) 90034
no because that would be the right thing to do. But that will be the thing that sinks him. he's sending troops for their third rotation soon, the equipment is already worn out. my biggest fear is that we're going to lose over 100 kids in one incident soon.
"Allah is indeed merciful. Let us now destroy the avatars of Democracy and Freedom, which I would add parenthetically, we hate a whole bunch."
-Fielding, if they destroy our avatars does this mean our gravatars get ruined?
Arnold Schwarzenegger had sex with a 16 year old. Breaking on Kos!
I...I...you...you...
big...doo-doo sniffin'...no, quick oats peddlin'...guy.
Ooh, that's a Police B-side, right?
We need Wesley Clarke in 2008. He'll get the military behind him and throw all of their asses in Gitmo where they belong. Condi included.
You have GOT to read Frank Rich:
Like the Japanese soldier marooned on an island for years after V-J Day, President Bush may be the last person in the country to learn that for Americans, if not Iraqis, the war in Iraq is over. "We will stay the course," he insistently tells us from his Texas ranch. What do you mean we, white man?
Linky here
President George W Bush personally intervened last week to play down as "speculation" all talk of troop pull-outs because he fears that even discussing options for an "exit strategy" implies weakening resolve.
see? this is what it boils down to.
Our troops are dying over there because Bush is afraid to admit how small his metaphorical dick is.
Sounds like a trillion dollars well spent.
I know in 300+ posts, this has been asked almost ad nauseum, but permit me to push it all the way, because the pleasure is simply too great:
Now what do Bush's supporters say? That even his Administration has committed treason and turned against him?
Whatever will the talking heads be talking about in the morning?
The top American commander in Iraq has been privately rebuked by the Bush administration for openly discussing plans to reduce troop levels there next year, The Sunday Telegraph has learned.
Can someone haul that drunken cokehead out of his lair and replay all those times he said he'd listen to the generals and then just frogmarch him to the Hague?
Night, all.
Hey, I watched "The Life Aquatic" last night. Awesome. I was ready to go out and buy me a red cap and some striped Speedo's. But alas, it seems they must be earned. Oh well, at least I can always pick up a Glock at a gun show...
Schwarzie the Nazi would have sex with a fire hydrant if his wife looks the other way.
I have a nephew, a senior in high school, whose parents are ardent repugs.
I have worried ever since Bush got in that he doesn't have to worry about reelection, so he might be likely to call for a draft...and now he's making noises threatening Iran. Scary, scary times.
I don't see why Bushco has a problem with leaving, the Iraqis have been aching to have a three-way civil war for decades now, we should allow them their "freedom." Whatever that means.
I think Bush's sanity is going to be questioned before this is all over.
You mean by absolutely every body else?
That sound you hear is the NeoCon empire and the Bush Dynasty being flushed down history's toilet.
Sweet, isn't it?
Arnold Schwarzenegger had sex with a 16 year old.
In other news, Francisco Franco is still dead, the pope has been determined to be catholic, and bears have been sighted shitting in the woods.
Whatever will the talking heads be talking about in the morning?
Ach. Ain't like they found any white women yet in Aruba, or wherever the hell that was.
I feel no shadenfreude. This is all so depressing. Nothing is harder to watch than waste.
Someone explain to me (and the bush supporters {hah bush supporters, a joke})
What is the plan in Iraq?
Why are we there?
What are the past, present, and future goals, for continued US presense?
What do we hope to accomplish by staying there?
jmoore34@indstate.edu
Watch him trying to clear his name off of Google....
Oh, he's the Vice President of the Indiana State University College Republicans. Imagine that.
You have GOT to read Frank Rich:
Oh, damn! Now I'll never get to sleep.
I'll be afraid to wake up and find it was all a beautiful dream.
I'm fine, thank you.
Glad... you going to be doing any anti-Santorum stuff, if you can swing it?
Oh well, at least I can always pick up a Glock at a gun show...
joycamp
That Glock may come in handy when Bushco crashes the oil supply and the red state bigfoot pickup bullies freak out when they can't get any gasoline.
direct from the sheep republic:
"Boy, the libs sure are gleeful about these polls.
Americans are not generally war-like, and so these polls win the "no-duh" award. In the meantime, those same polls show that we should stay, rather than pull out.
These gleeful libs should take a deep breath.
9 posted on 08/13/2005 9:08:45 PM PDT by Wiseghy"
not warlike? what is the longest period of peace since 1860?
sorry, i should know that the sheeple are fact-esque.
-J.T.
Don't you wonder who these anonymous sources were for this story?
This is (was?) a tightly controlled administration--so either rats are leaving the sinking ship or there is a method to their madness. Maybe it's as obvious as thinking this is the time to trot out a new product, or repackage an old one...but wait, it's August, isn't it?
I am stunned by the admissions, especially, ""... shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning", but at the same time wondering what they're setting us up for.
I feel no shadenfreude. This is all so depressing. Nothing is harder to watch than waste.
Thers
Shadenfreude? No. Delight that the truth is finally being spoken openly, and no one can now dance around the reality.
I'm always pleased when the truth is being spoken. Doesn't mean I don't grieve the horror of this war, or want Bush held accountable far more than politically; but to have people in the government finally speaking openly (if anonymously) of reality rather than fantasy?
It's a damned shame to have to say how refreshing that is. But it is.
Fielding, if they destroy our avatars does this mean our gravatars get ruined?
Elaine Supkisix
Fer sure. They'll take over McDonalds and make us eat lots of chickpeas instead. They'll eliminate the fizz from Coke, and mandate the wearing of funny hats! Forget casual day on Friday.
Look out! There's one behind you! Super special Tangerine Alert!
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Sounds like the administration will need to create a distraction....
I blame Atrios and the Human Debris.
renato
That's Atrios and the Human Debris™
The band's lawyer will be filing the papers first thing Monday.
Bushco is so desperate, I'm worried they'll blow up one of our own cities. The giveaway will be that the rethug party members will have evacuated first.
NORTHCOM plans nuclear terrorist attack war games this month
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but was'nt there some kind of test run in 2001 where the pentagon was testing for planes crashing into the pentagon?
Oh and this game I'm watching? Can you say third and fifty?
Oh, I know a lot of Catholics in the Hazleton area who need some learnin'. I hope to get back there at least once before the election to see what I can do.
Pitchforks and Torches
just those who are worth $50 million or better. some sacrifices will be made.
-J.T.
Further (I am enjoying this, at the same time I am not enjoying this. What's to enjoy about war? And especially a war as totally unjustified as this one?), this gives the Democrats the final reason they need to be an opposition party.
But will they take it? Will Biden and Clinton and the other "hawks" and "appeasers" (appeasers to the GOP, that is), finally stand on their hind legs and stand for something? Tonight, I imagine they will.
Tomorrow, I will undoubtedly be disappointed. But tonight, I can dream that the world might actually be a better place, and telling the truth might be part of that better world.
RMJ, dunno. The truth is being dragged out piecemeal through anonymous sources, to cushion a coming political disaster.
Not accusing you of shadenfreude (my comment on that wasn't to do with yours, just me musing to myself, honestly).
What horrifies me is that this... mess... is how my nation rose to the challenges of 9/11.
Rich is outstanding this time.
jmoore34@indstate.edu
Why would some annonymous troll put that in the body of thier post? Especially as a " college rebublican". I thought you were supposed to be smart to go to college?
so, for whatever agency snoops are monitoring this site, what do you think of your president now. and consider -- how confident are you that bushco won't sacrifice a city or two to maintain that hold on power. where do your loyalties lie?
The other side of the coin from what the anonymous officials are saying:
Nothing that happens on the ground in Iraq can turn around the fate of this war in America: not a shotgun constitution rushed to meet an arbitrary deadline, not another Iraqi election, not higher terrorist body counts, not another battle for Falluja (where insurgents may again regroup, The Los Angeles Times reported last week). A citizenry that was asked to accept tax cuts, not sacrifice, at the war's inception is hardly in the mood to start sacrificing now. There will be neither the volunteers nor the money required to field the wholesale additional American troops that might bolster the security situation in Iraq.
Frank Rich.
Oh, I know a lot of Catholics in the Hazleton area who need some learnin'. I hope to get back there at least once before the election to see what I can do.
Lemmee know. I'll be volunteering via a union buddy somewhere around Scranton.
The fucking treasury is empty!
Mission accomplished!
Not only did Bush destroy Iraq, he destroyed the U.S. Army.
Doesn't look like we had much of one to begin with...just a bunch of perk-seeking 35 year olds and 18 year-old kids from Podunk lookin' for a job. The planners relied on technology, and we've proven it's mostly worthless, except for faking bioweapons plants. Back to boots and bayonettes.
Nûr al-Cubicle | Email | Homepage | 08.13.05 - 11:04 pm | #
...but, he got rid of all those old weapons sitting gathering dust to make way for new and improved weapons which contracts would bring riches to his buddies.
I'd hazard a guess as to which city. An expendable one, low population, no defense installations, maybe a blue one for punishment.
Minneapolis
I blame...er...someone else
Bushco is so desperate, I'm worried they'll blow up one of our own cities. The giveaway will be that the rethug party members will have evacuated first.
I would pay attention to where Cheney is, if I knew where the hell he was. He has less sightings than the ivorybill.
Senior Administration Officials: Damn We Were Fucking Stupid
Gee, don't ya' just hate it when that happens?
And, those Bush administration officials -- "familiar with policymaking from the beginning, who like some others interviewed would speak candidly only on the condition of anonymity" -- may be ducking behind the cover of anonymity for the purpose of avoiding indictment for a variety of crimes -- including prosecution for war crimes, torture, lying to congress, the United Nations, and the American people, war profiteering, corruption and the mysterious disappearance of approximately $8.8 billion dollars under Paul Bremer's "watch" in Iraq.
Even Caligula couldn't have presided over greater decadence!
So, the Bush crime family, wrapped tightly in the flag, is willing to be "candid" only on the "condition of anonymity" -- well, no wonder!
They have done nothing of which they can feel proud, and so much about which they should not only feel shame but for which they should be prosecuted!
The NYT has just reported troops are still "struggling to get updated armor" -- how sad is that? If the incompetent Pentagon can't even keep the troops adequately supplied, then there is no better reason to bring them home now!
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/
1...agewanted=print
Are these sudden anonymous confessions from Bush administration officials the prelude -- or the trial balloons for their next move?
That would be Operation Claim Victory -- followed immediately by Operation Cut and Run...really fast!
The Bush crime family has given a whole new meaning to the term, "chickenhawk" -- times 10!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
these People have more tricks up their vile sleeves.
We haven;t seen the worst of them yet.
I dread what's coming.
The trouble with us is that we don;t think the way They do -we have no concept of the nastiness they do. We're just not mean enough.
But tonight, I can dream that the world might actually be a better place,
How can the world be a better place while we are watching a disaster of historical proportions take place right before our eyes? This is a stunning upset in the eyes of the world. We here knew it was likely to happen, but now that we are confronted with it, wow.
G'night lovely moonbats.
Better Days, starting with this one, eh?
Peace and love to all of you.
.
RMJ, dunno. The truth is being dragged out piecemeal through anonymous sources, to cushion a coming political disaster.
The political disaster was coming anyway. These "leaks" mean it is so bad, no amount of spin can prevent it now.
Not accusing you of shadenfreude (my comment on that wasn't to do with yours, just me musing to myself, honestly).
Understood. Mea culpa.
What horrifies me is that this... mess... is how my nation rose to the challenges of 9/11.
Reality remains unchanged. But people are starting to get off the hell-bound train.
Considering how long they've been on it, and how loud the party has been to try to deny the destination, this is a small, good thing.
I'm Socratic in my relationship to truth. It hurts. But it sets you free.
So I rejoice, if only a little, when the truth begins to be acknowledged publicly again.
I mean, it happens so rarely.....
Pitchforks and Torches: Bushco is so desperate, I'm worried they'll blow up one of our own cities. The giveaway will be that the rethug party members will have evacuated first.
I've been saying this for a long, long time, now. Nuke on a coastal city within six months. I wish I were wrong, but I am not. And that nuke will have been Born In The U.S.A.
.
Ah, RMJ, here's what I'm thinking:
We had fed the heart on fantasies,
The heart's grown brutal from the fare;
More substance in our enmities
Than in our love; O honey-bees,
Come build in the empty house of the stare.
tinkerbell's dead.
& its all yer fault.
I thought you were supposed to be smart to go to college?
I have a mental picture of "college" and "republican" fighting each other like two rubber-suited Japanese monsters. No wonder these folks are so fucked up.
Back in the day, you could be a repub if you were just smug and well-off. Now they've added "batshit crazy" into the mix.
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Minneapolis
Pitchforks and Torches | Email | 08.14.05 - 12:30 am
And Powerline and Hindrocket would literally be sizzling.
Sorry, sick joke.
Shock and Awe...in Crawford,Texas. Who, pray tell, will be held accountable for this mess? Who gets ownership? Will the price be paid in the 2006 elections? In the 2008 election?
The trouble with us is that we don;t think the way They do -we have no concept of the nastiness they do. We're just not mean enough.
Sarah Deere
sometimes sanity is a ball & chain.
Will Biden and Clinton and the other "hawks" and "appeasers" (appeasers to the GOP, that is), finally stand on their hind legs and stand for something?
RMJ:
I have my doubts that particular bunch will find their spines.
But I have hopes that there are actual vertebrates on the back benches.
We shall see.
Two other noteworthy quotes from the article:
"We've said we won't leave a day before it's necessary. But necessary is the key word -- necessary for them or for us? When we finally depart, it will probably be for us," a U.S. official said.
And this:"Ironically, White said, the initial ambitions may have complicated the U.S. mission: "In order to get out earlier, expectations are going to have to be lower, even much lower. The higher your expectation, the longer you have to stay. Getting out is going to be a more important consideration than the original goals were. They were unrealistic."
a pony bomb planted in baltimore? enough media to cover, close (but not too close) to d.c., harbor city, lots of blue state folks with a sprinkling of dundalk bush believers, and the crawford caligula could be at camp david.
-J.T.
I'd hazard a guess as to which city. An expendable one, low population, no defense installations, maybe a blue one for punishment.
Come to New Orleans. Although we are blue, primarily minority and low population, they need the port for grain and oil shipments.
tinkerbell's dead.
& its all yer fault.
I blame Thers, cause he went ad did the dishes tonite, AFTER taking the youngun to McGags.
tvland is doing night court for 48 hrs.
when will they rerun soap?
Thers--
Great stuff, of course. But I've led churches that were bitter, nasty places, fed on fantasies until the heart was a stone.
I've accepted that as human reality, too. I've also accepted that the arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice.
Which is to be welcomed, even as it doesn't undo the evil that men (and women) do.
There is always the work of burying and grieving. But right now, I'm thinking of Job, and Ecclesiastes. This has all been done. It will all be done again. And for this brief moment, I feel that I have seen my redeemer face to face. Even if that redeemer speaks to me out of a whirlwind.
I have to go finish shredding papers, unfortunately. So I'll be seeing you.....
My guess is Houston, after thinking about it another two minutes.
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I'd hazard a guess as to which city. An expendable one, low population, no defense installations, maybe a blue one for punishment.
Minneapolis
Pitchforks and Torches
Nah. That's the heartland. Might frighten off the sheeple.
Nice blue state town -- Rochester or Fresno maybe.
It is 84 degrees at 12:34 am.
anyone seen my fig leaf? I know I left it around here somewhere.
here figleaf, here figleaf.
wonder if the 06 Congress will have the balls to send these criminals to the Hague?
RMJ:
I have my doubts that particular bunch will find their spines.
But I have hopes that there are actual vertebrates on the back benches.
We shall see.
flory, Business Manager
I would be happy if some are found, and they sweep those I named away into the dustbin of history.
If the dems should have opposed the war in the first place and supported the likes of Dean, Clark, and Kucinich. But the DLC, the Clintons, Kerry, and Biden did it their way.
I hearby nominate that GWB's grave be know known as the,
GWB memorial Pissoir.
I blame Thers, cause he went ad did the dishes tonite, AFTER taking the youngun to McGags.
Bill Clinton made me do it.
My guess is Houston, after thinking about it another two minutes.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Population density is too low. You could hit the port, or one of the airports, or even downtown, and the rest of the city would learn about it on the news.
Even then, it might take a few days.
Frank Rich...truth to power.
G'night lovely moonbats.
Better Days, starting with this one, eh?
Peace and love to all of you.
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Central Scrutinizer
bah humbug.
I'm clocking out too.
all of Chimpy's Democratic war supporters should be purged from the party. let them join the GOP.
Biden, Lieberman, Hillary, sned them all on their way. unless and until
If the dems should have opposed the war in the first place and supported the likes of Dean, Clark, and Kucinich.
Everytime I think of those "Dated Dean, Married Kerry" T-shirts, I want to hurl.
I'm just as guilty of happy-think as anyone else, however. At least now we can hopefully learn from 04 and examples like Hackett and vote for people who possess the grapes to stand against the war.
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Rmj: Population density is too low. You could hit the port, or one of the airports, or even downtown, and the rest of the city would learn about it on the news.
It's perfect, then (WTC attack held the nation captive, if you'll recall). Even traitors won't want too many dead. They want people scared.
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I blame Thers, cause he went ad did the dishes tonite, AFTER taking the youngun to McGags.
Bill Clinton made me do it.
Thers
Erm...kids?
This is Eschaton.
Its Eli's fault.
Now comes the hard task of identifying the leaders who can pick up the pieces of the fiasco that has made us more vulnerable, not less, to the terrorists who struck us four years ago next month.
i drove by the place i was the day i heard the 9/11 alarm ,thought it was a joke on the radio. once i realised it wasn't, i knew the reaction would be bad.
i think i was more sad today than i was on that fateful day.
I'd like to know who those unnamed officials are, or at least where in the vast scheme of things they work. Are they floating these things on their own, or for their boss? And who's their boss?
And is this a palace revolt in the making? Chimp's a puppet -- where's Cheney? Is he in the undisclosed location solidifying his grip while the palace revolt unfolds?
God, I must be getting paranoid.
are there any networking geeks here?
I need to block an "IGMP" service.
my router's firewall only shows the following options for blocking destinations:
TCP
UP
ICMP
* (I take this is a wild card for all of above)
no "IGMP" option...
it's a D-Link DI-624 router.
TIA
tvland is doing night court for 48 hrs.
when will they rerun soap?
1Watt | Email | 08.14.05 - 12:38 am | #
I don't have to wait for "Soap" to show up on TV. I bought the collection from Amazon.com 2 years ago. What a purchase - a lot of money all at once, but well worth it. I had so many good laughs.
Its Eli's fault.
I have it on good authority that Eli would not kill off Tinkerbell.
BTW, I see Dean is supposed to be on "Press the Meat" tomorrow to discuss... Iraq.
Hit that fucking pumpkin-headed cocksucking prick with a steel chair, Howard. Thanks in advance.
Rmj, Wandering Aengus, what in the world keeps you in the very strange world of Christendom.
Đsmalfish: I have it on good authority that Eli would not kill off Tinkerbell.
If Tha Tink stood between Eli and the sweet, sweet collagen-enhanced lips of Angelina Jolie, he'd snuff Tha Tink like a candle.
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Something that has started to bug me. Iran a country which was not decimated 15 years ago still has no nukes. Iran hasn't had a continual presence of UN inspectors for the last 15 years. Iraq didn't even control the airspace of 1/2 to 2/3 of its country. Inspectors were in Iraq quite frequently. Iran still has no nukes, how could we possibly have expected Iraq to have them. Everyone was watching Iraq.
I'd like to know who those unnamed officials are
Well one of them is a 'senior official involved in policy' -- and that is a term of art that describes a limited number of people.
The Beltway Kewl Kidz know exactly who's talking.
I need to block an "IGMP" service.
Why do you need to block this service?
You may have spyware trying to use it.
renato - can you block specific IP addresses? IGMP is a multicast protocol and uses 224.0.0.22.
It's perfect, then (WTC attack held the nation captive, if you'll recall). Even traitors won't want too many dead. They want people scared.
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Email | Homepage | 08.14.05 - 12:45 am
A fake terrorist attack that leveled the Astrodome would yield the most sublime results. He would get the nation enthralled with an attack on a legendary landmark. AND he would make his energy buddies really happy by creating more parking for the rodeo.
Great thread tonight, folks.
I'm signing off now.
Yep, its one of those late posting right-wing trolls here. Its SHOWTIME!
There is frankly too much wacky vitriol and BS here to really address, but let me pick one turd out of the pile, mmmkay? I know this is waste of time because after reading through a couple of threads, its obvious you guys are more interested in a circle jerk than a conversation, but I'm feelin' fiesty.
"When all is said and done they will just be glad they got a couple hundred thousand sand nigger lives out of it to make sure they didn't leave empty handed."
I'll forgo the cheap shot about a supposed progressive liberal using the word "nigger" to make some sort of point, and address the point itself. Actually, I won't forgo it, but the shot won't be a cheap one.
I will also not bother to address the greatly inflated numbers, or the poster's seeming inability to seperate innocent Iraqis from the terrorists (yeah, that word is 'terrorist'. Not 'insurgent', 'resistance agent' 'freedom fighter' or whatever candy- coated euphemism is in vogue today).
So, let me get to my point. Where was all this concern for the innocent Iraqis being killed when Saddam was in power? Don't start rattling off this or that instance of what Bush Sr. or Rumsfeld did as a distraction. I am asking you; where was all this heartfelt concern for the Iraqis when Saddam was imprisoning them, torturing them and killing them in the hundreds of thousands? I seem to forget the mass protests against that villiany and fascism when it was carried on year to year. I seem to have missed the hate-filled denunciations of that monster and institutions like the UN that helped keep him in power. Maybe someone here can refresh my memory, cause it seemed to be, well, non-existent. And if that never did, I gotta ask myself, "Hmmmm, why?"
See, its almost as if leftists DO in fact consider Iraqis in particular, and arabs in general to be "sand niggers" as long as they are butchering each other. Leftists consider them subhuman and unworthy of concern nomatter the suffering they endure, UNLESS they can be used a handy prop against Jews or Americans, or both. Then, oh THEN, its all bleeding hearts and rending clothes and gnashing teeth.
It seems like the left does not really give a rats ass about oppression or genocide or fascism as long as the U.S. is not involved (irregardless of what side we are actually on). No, well, it does not 'seem' like it at all, actually. The blaring evidence is there for all to see. And its not limited to arabs is it? Nope, any darkies are fine for killin'.
Gassing of Kurds.
Crickets.
Mass Graves in Iraq.
Crickets.
900,000 killed in Rwanda.
Crickets.
Ethnic cleansing in Serbia.
Chirp.
Slavery and genocide in Sudan.
.....
Zimbabwe.
Crickets have been "relocated".
You guys and gals on the left are the biggest bunch of hypocritical phonies in history. Your ideological predecessors looked the other way, or even nodded approval, when it came to the murder of millions in Siberia and China and Cambodia, and you are carrying on the very fine tradition to this day. Who says kids today don't have respect for their elders? They would be very proud if most of them did not end up in the very death camps they had created.
You did not support the war in the first place, fine. You're allowed. But to be cheerleading and hi-fiving each other over any sign that Iraq is going to hell in a hand basker is pathetic. Quite frankly, I think you gents are a bit frisky over one article reported in part from a Baghdad hotel bar, but that's not the point. The point is that you are short stroking yourselves over this because it supports YOU and YOUR EGOS without giving a fuckwits consideration of the people it really effects. You WANT this to be true because it will validate those dark, empty portions of your souls, even if the cost is hundreds of thousands of those same lives you supposedly care so much about.
I know that the chances of any of this penetrating is akin to a spitball splitting a cinderblock, but I gave it a shot anyway. Thanks for letting me vent. Please, by all means, recommence circle-jerk.
Oh, and why would I bother if I think it is all pointless? Let's just say that in the end, I have faith in humanity. You guys should give a try some time.
BTW, I see Dean is supposed to be on "Press the Meat" tomorrow to discuss... Iraq.
Heavens. I might actually have to watch.....
Wow! An "Expectations" gap! Don't let the Roosskies find out about it or we'll all be in a world of shit. Of course, "The opera ain't over 'til the fat lady shits in the woods." They'll withdraw the troops next year - right across the border into Iran. The new meme will be "Tehran, bitches! We're gonna get one o' these sumbitches right!"
Give it about a week. There'll be another smack down story in the Telegraph about "US officials in Washington and Baghdad" being sternly rebuked personally by President Bush for openly discussing the highly classified "Expectations Gap". What comes next? The "Domino Theory"?
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but was'nt there some kind of test run in 2001 where the pentagon was testing for planes crashing into the pentagon?
Yes, smallfish, there was, although they were thinking more of an accidental crash.
From the CIA's 1952 overthrow of Premier Mossadeq in Iran to Bush's current colossal fuck-up in Iraq, the US has accomplished exactly the opposite of what we wanted. And just for good measure, we trashed the place along the way.
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yes.
please give me some clue how to block it! my googling and manual reading are getting me nowhere...
1-2-3-4- what the hell are we fighting for???
so this is the noble cause that people continue to die for, daily?
they have to be removed, now.
You guys and gals on the left are the biggest bunch of hypocritical phonies in history.
Bzzz! Wrong answer, but thanks for playing. Your parting gifts: my eternal scorn and derision.
This story is the most important story posted to Eschaton this week. Disseminate.
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OK - who made the bet that the trools would show up at thread-end to drop off their steaming pile?
Whoever it was wins free tickets to the band's first gig.
Captain Wrath -
Can I expect to see you at my protest of Bush's dissident-boiling buddy Islam Karimorov?
You did not support the war in the first place, fine. You're allowed. But to be cheerleading and hi-fiving each other over any sign that Iraq is going to hell in a hand basker is pathetic.
How do you say "We fucking told you so" in words rightwing idiots can understand?
Ooops! Did I say "Press the Meat?" Dean is scheduled to be on "Face the Nation" tomorrow.
I regret the error (and that I won't be able to see Dean split Pumpkinhead's pumpkin head in two with his cosmic scream)...
I'm sure Chimpy is gonna send troops over to Darfur any minute now.
any minute.
very soon.
we are almost ready to head to Darfur.
any. minute. now.
Captain Wrath
You pull strawman very well.
But let me point this out.
WHere is the outrage over whats happening in Niger, and Sudan, and all those other poor African countries, where millions are on the verge of starvation and in the middle of genocide?
I don't suppose that factors into your equasion of what the left stands for, now does it.
Gassing of Kurds.
Crickets.
I don't remember crickets, I remember Rummy pressing Saddam's palm to seal the deal to give him the aforementioned chemical components.
Mmmmkay?
You guys and gals on the l--
Choose from the following:
a) BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
b) Blow it out your ass, you cowardly motherfucking prick.
c) ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
And never forget, kids - the peaceniks were RIGHT - the chickenhawks were WRONG!
It's not so bad....there will be that Iraqi Constitution Monday.
They just a few pesky minor details to iron out according to CNNi:
1)Should we be a federated state
2)Should we have an Islamic gov't
So no worry they got about 48 hrs.
Iraq War: What a clusterfuck
Captain Wrath has put me to sleep. Good night, batties. I have a date with Somnus.
I guess captain ed (captain wrath's powerful alter-ego) is still smarting from his smackdown.
too bad, but it is always a pleasure to watch the useful idiots on the Right make fools of themselves.
Yes, smallfish, there was, although they were thinking more of an accidental crash.
Ya, they were planning for a crash , thats what it was all about.
Ya, no doubt.
Yep.
It is 84 degrees at 12:34 am.
Well, that sucks.
It's about 80 degrees here too.
So, let me get to my point. Where was all this concern for the innocent Iraqis being killed when Saddam was in power?
So Cap'n Crunch?
If Bill Clinton had wanted to mobilize the 3ID for an invasion of Iraq in, say, 1996 -- you'dve been all over that - right?
renato - are you being subjected to a DOS attack? What service do you need to block?
Maybe you can set your router to deny specific IP packet types of DCN, HMP, and PRM but this might have adverse side-effects depending on what's going on. Not much of a networking guy, so maybe others might have better insight.
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Oh, I forgot:
d) Shorter moronic brownshirt fuck: I hate being proved wrong.
4LG...we've finally got cool weather here.
I was cold today at work but I'll be damn if I was going to complain. After this summer I'll never complain about cold or rain again
Un the fuck believable
Un fucking believable
Why are the citizens of this nation not in the streets with torches and pitchforks!!!!
God this is all so unbelievable
Watching this football game, I see the teevee has found a new way to spam me.
They are now running ads during the action, cutting the screen down by about one third and inserting video of some shit product. WHILE THE GAME IS ON.
ASSHOLES!
well, i stayed till the really dumb troll showed up.
Captain Ed bwahhaaaaaaaa ha ha ha...
that's so gay.
nite bats.
As if Cpt. Wraith's Fearless Leader would give any kind of shit about any of that. Your point is what, Corporal Warp? That we shouldn't mind out own business? That we should believe that Saddam Hussein wasn't gassing and killing "his people" in between photo ops with Rummy? Or when he was taking shipments of chemicals and weapons marked "Made In America"? Or is your point that the Left has shit all over and underfunded the UN so that they can't do the job they're designed to? What is your point, Private Wingnut? That because the government didn't do enough about mass murderers worldwide, we should be happy to join them? We should feel exactly the same way about them killing themselves as us killing them?
Are you inhaling pressurized rediwhip again? Or has the specter of being a supporter of the stupidest, nastiest, most greedy , lazy useless hunk of shit to ever wear a fucking suit with cowboy boots finally pushed you over the edge? Look in the mirror if you really want to assess blame, then ENLIST!
Captain Wrath
You need to be a democrat, really.
Rethugs ain't gonna be there for ya, y'know?
Who else guessed this before the invasion? Hands in the air.
::raises hand::
They are now running ads during the action, cutting the screen down by about one third and inserting video of some shit product. WHILE THE GAME IS ON.
If it helps any - the management of our fine media institutions will be in chains next to the Bush Crime Family in Gitmo.
'nite, Atriots.
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This nation needs to repent for what it has done to the people of Iraq.
Okay, dears, I must sleep.
Blessings on all your sweet heads.
Eschew bedbugs!!!
Captain Wrath seems to have missed the salient point that the naysayers in the WaPo article aren't "Leftists," but administration officials.
He also misses the point that we here criticized THIS WAR on the grounds that IT WOULDN'T WORK. It would make the problem of terrorism worse and would damage our standing in the world.
All major polls and now the administration itself agrees that we were right. We take no joy in this (well, bitter satisfaction, some of us).
This Captain fellow, like all his ilk, is deluded, deranged, and never hated terrorists nearly as well as he hated an imaginary left, and he and his "movement" are destroying the nation.
Sorry -- should have read:
'nite, Atriots.
♥
So, let me get to my point. Where was all this concern for the innocent Iraqis being killed when Saddam was in power?
check out the archives at human rights watch. i'd be interested in you recounting your, no doubt, long, long history denouncing human rights abuses. right?
Captain Wrath, Damn, you are so fundamentally wrong on so many of your points it is really pathetic.
Go read a little fucking history.
Btw, gravatar sucks. It slows down everything. I hate it. It's not worth it. It does nothing for me.
The troll's post has completely distracted me from the fact that even Bush's lackeys are admitting that the Iraqi invasion has been a fucked-up mess from the git-go.
Well done. Medals of Freedom all around!
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Watching this football game, I see the teevee has found a new way to spam me.
They are now running ads during the action, cutting the screen down by about one third and inserting video of some shit product. WHILE THE GAME IS ON.
I think you need to calm down and cheer for the next second-and-four play, sponsored by Home Depot, Your Source for Lumber.
Newswire :
sept12 2008.
President Bush was found dead today in an apparent suicide involving eating pretzels while riding a bicycle. (although it appears that he had gotten confused, based on the teeth marks on the wheel and the pretzel crumbs on his shoes.)
Captain Wrath, Damn, you are so fundamentally wrong on so many of your points it is really pathetic.
Go read a little fucking history.
Vinnie | Email | 08.14.05 - 1:15 am
Your admonishment is futile, that talk-radio mind-meld shit has a powerful effect on our less cereberal brethern.
What a shock.
Carrot cake, anyone?
Rats, I missed Jeffraham. What's shaking, batses?
I think you need to calm down and cheer for the next second-and-four play, sponsored by Home Depot, Your Source for Lumber.
No doubt.
Thats what it seems like. I've seen them do it on nearly every series tonite.
Sickening is what it is. I know it has to do with the advent of tivo.
What are the right wingers going to say to this? Doesn't this demolish everything they've argued?
My band is on vacation, it was so nice tonight to go hear another band and watch them work and not be working.
I want Bush and Cheney and Rummy and Condi and Powell in chains at the Hague.
God should strike every American with lightning for the suffering our ignorance has caused so many innocent people. Seriously, we deserve to be nuked and put a stop to.
Best play of the night was a third and fifty.
Never saw that before.
Let's just say that in the end, I have faith in humanity. You guys should give a try some time.
Captain Wrath
Why, oh why, is the gaming community saddled with these losers?
Oh No! Captain Wrath used his +3 sword of Wingnuttery but rolled a 1 on his 20-sided die!
The pain of being chastised by a member of the Suffolk County D&D society..
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I'll have faith in humanity when humanity earns it, fucker.
Sickening is what it is. I know it has to do with the advent of tivo.
Đsmalfish | Email | Homepage | 08.14.05 - 1:21 am
Just wait till they superimpose a can of Bud on the actual football.
So, let me get to my point. Where was all this concern for the innocent Iraqis being killed when Saddam was in power?
What kind of bullshit question is this? I spent a good chunk of the early 1980s going to anti-Saddam demonstrations, writing letters, and calling Congress. I even had a hideous photo of a gassed Kurdish child taped to my college notebook, as a conversation-starter.
And of course, I got nothing but shit for it from the "Reagan is God Almighty!" crowd...
Rats, I missed Jeffraham. What's shaking, batses?
Sallyh
The Bush Crime Family is finally admitting they fucked up. The trolls are still stupid. Televised football is being ruined as we speak. Arthur is grounded for his misbehavior last night.
Oh - and I saved some homemade roasted tomato sauce for you. You can have it tomorrow if you like.
Rats, I missed Jeffraham. What's shaking, batses?
Sallyh
Glad to see you back! I was worried after you took off without a word in the middle of liveblogging.
You didn't call, you didn't write..
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Just wait till they superimpose a can of Bud on the actual football.
That touchdown was brought to you by Dell Computers.
When we return it's the Miller Light Extra Point Attempt.
When we start a war with Uzbekistan, you'll probably be asking why didn't any leftist complain when he was boiling people alive.
I tire of this.
hey sally,
just getting back myself
There's a house in my neighborhood with cars parked in front bearing "W- The President" stickers.
I'm waiting for a video file to compress.
So I'm going to go to the supermarket and get some chalk.
Tonight I'm going to scrawl in their driveway, "1847 KIA 0 WMD"
Got that idea from freewayblogger.com
I'll get a pic if I can.
my biggest fear is that we're going to lose over 100 kids in one incident soon.
1Watt
I read recently that some there are afraid an entire camp could be overrun.
who is playing football tonight? Is this NFL Europe? Replay of an earlier preseason game?
Best play of the night was a third and fifty.
Never saw that before.
Ach. The 'Canes used to routinely convert those in '00... what a fun team to watch.
So, did we win or lose? I can't tell.
Mellish--had company and they landed on me earlier than expected, so had to play hostess. Not that that was unpleasant; it was a lovely evening.
I read recently that some there are afraid an entire camp could be overrun.
Incog
That'd be great. An entire battalion held hostage in a country we occupy
I should add, too, that the "liberal media" responded to the stories of Saddam gassing people with the observation that, after all, it was rather odd to feel that being killed by chemical weapons was worse than being killed by anything else.
The cold-blooded apologetics for Saddam in the eighties infuriated me, and have a lot to do with my outrage over BushCo's Iraq "policy."
Honest trolls will at least admit it was "strategic" to support Saddam, 'cause he was fighting Iran. When you point out that we were supporting Iran too, they tend to make themselves scarce. Those who fight and run away, etc.
And of course, I got nothing but shit for it from the "Reagan is God Almighty!" crowd...
Phila
I'll bet you dollars to donuts our little troll was one of the people denouncing the activists calling for an end to the Iraqi embargo as "starry-eyed pinkos" or the like.
Of course, he was probably too young and hadn't graduated from Lawful Good Cleric school yet.
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1847? No way.
renato,
sounds like a good plan...However, I always assume that the reich-wing idiots with their W stickers on the backs of their ten ton SUVs wouldn't even know what I was talking about. Just as clueless as dear leader
Flory--would love some roasted tomato sauce. Can I interest you in a carrot cake trade?
Oh boogers. I missed NTodd. And I got him an interview with the St. Patrick's Four!
And of course, I got nothing but shit for it from the "Reagan is God Almighty!" crowd...
Dude, that was all Bill Clinton's fault anyway. Why weren't you protesting HIM in the early 1980s, hah?
Aha. I have caught you in the iron pincers of Logic. I laugh at your pitiful attempts to wriggle free!
thersites has gone lobster
1847? No way.
way.
48 dead so far, 13 days into August.
NYMary--he'll be skulking about come morning. He loves the attention too much
Sallyh,
Yeah, I know. The loveslut.
1847 for the Islamic Public of West Iran.
It just occured to me that the Left Behind freaks have one thing right, there is a "mark of the beast" . . . it's "W" sticker.
sallyh - the sauce is yours.
I loves me some carrot cake.
Renato--we've been there what, 1024 days so far? Formerly, we were losing about 1.2 soldiers per day. If this is the case, then we're up to about 1.8 soldiers lost per day. That is actually statistically significant.
Wow, great coverage on the late local news.
2000 protesters in Crawfird.
Hey, did anybody click the google on scary Captain Wrath? The last entry leads to this page:
"Welcome to Wages of Freedom. This site is meant to be a repository of wisdom amid folly, of sanity amid madness, truth amid lies. It is made of of items of note that I think people should be aware, and my own take on the things happening everyday around us."
Nothing follows. Nice follow-through, O resolute one.
Damn, these idiots take themselves seriously. That's what makes laughing at them almost as delicious as one of sallyh's concoctions.
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NYMary--plus, he won't want to miss the brunch--it was cool enough to make cinnamon buns today.
we're up to about 1.8 soldiers lost per day. That is actually statistically significant.
Especially if your kid's the statistic.
Phila-
There was some nut on cspan this week (Timmerman) who was screaming for intervention into Iran. He said that the US had no choice, and that we needed to bring democracy to Iran the way Reagan had brought democracy to... wait... yes, South Africa!
Why would you admit Iraq was fucked in the middle of an antiwar protest?
2000 protesters in Crawfird.
I hope the numbers grow.
If I had a decent car I'd go.
Roasted tomato sauce? Do tell. We're drowning in tomatoes here.
Thers--at that point, all numbers become meaningless.
thersites has gone lobster
I'm actually allergic to shellfish.
I see Phila cannot respond! I nhave proved him wrong! My Spider-Man underoos are damp and sticky! I now understand Wingnut Triumph!
He said that the US had no choice, and that we needed to bring democracy to Iran the way Reagan had brought democracy to... wait... yes, South Africa!
spinoza
You've got to be kidding me. That's hysterical.
These fuckheads really will say anything.
the way Reagan had brought democracy to... wait... yes, South Africa!
Hoo hoo hee hee hahahahahahahahahahaha!
(wiping tears)
Sorry about that. (hic!) Do people really have no memories at all?
Roasted tomato sauce? Do tell. We're drowning in tomatoes here.
NYMary
Yeah, I was wondering that myself...
Evening all.
Speaking of those black 'W' stickers, I found it kind of funny that Wyndam suites sued the campaign over them.
There have also been significantly fewer sightings of any 'W' sticker. Which is odd, because I have noticed more Kerry/Edwards stickers as of late.
I wonder if any of those were buyers remorse?
NYMary--nothing is easier or beats bruschetta. Dice up tomatoes, coat with olive oil, add garlic and basil to taste, serve on toasted crusty bread with freshly grated Parmesan cheese.
I actually saw an SUV with what looked like the W sticker scraped off.
Especially if your kid's the statistic.
Hoo boy.
Did you guys see the letter from a Ft. Hood soldier to Cindy Sheehan on Ntodd's site?
As I suspected, the soldiers are on her side. Sadly, the letter writer is about to be shipped out to Iraq.
It just makes me so angry.
I bet you could can it as well for later like in January when it's really cold.
Is this NFL Europe?
Naa, it was the Cowboys at the Cardinals.
Cowboys lost 13 to 11. Late saftey almost pulled it out for my boys, but alas a stupid penalty stopped the winning feild goal.
Antiwar protest Sept 24th, DC.
4Legs--how's Magnificent Maxx tonight?
And do you want some carrot cake?
48 dead so far, 13 days into August.
renato
And how many Iraqi cops and innocent bystanders? 48 young people that will never see another sunset, or hold hands, or go to the county fair, or hug their mothers. Fuckity fuck fuck fuck. I definitely viewed "Wake Me Up When September Ends" too many times today.
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4legs,
Do you hav a link to the letter?
I see Phila cannot respond! I nhave proved him wrong! My Spider-Man underoos are damp and sticky! I now understand Wingnut Triumph!
Thers
Just call me "Wrong Phila." Everyone else does!
Schwartzenegger had sex with a 16 year old? It's like Christmas!
What's in this box, mom? It sounds like an indictment rattling around!
Seebach,
They never had sex. They had "outercourse".
Did I mention FUCK GRAVATAR? I want words and thoughts from you people. Cindy Sheehan and anybody who matters could give a shit about some 80x80 pixel bullshit image. It's dumb bullshit timewasting crap and I hope it will die because of people being serious about stopping Bushco.
I hope the numbers grow.
The local news was reporting that number. the reporter seemed hesitant to tell the viewers there was that many.
NYMary--on the same theme, I slice tomatoes in half, drizzle them with olive oil, slap some mozzarella on top, and stick them under the broiler.
Just call me "Wrong Phila." Everyone else does!
Haha!
(Attempting to high-five self, missing, jamming pinky deep into nostril, attermpting to staunch blood flow with navel lint, still giggling madly with wingnut triumph)
Rmj, Wandering Aengus, what in the world keeps you in the very strange world of Christendom.
Sarah Deere
"Hope is the thing with feathers." Emily Dickinson. Being featherless, I turn to Christianity (very different, actually, from Christendom. Kierkegaard and I are in agreement in attacking that; in fact, I think it's long gone).
It's a very strange world, with or without it. But with it, the world simply makes more sense.
Which, granted, isn't saying much.
The shredder, by the way, seems to have died. Neither Leonardo nor Raphael were any help at all, either.
Eating is not cheating!
Phila,
Can I call you "Cute Phila"? It'll piss the hell out of Thers.....
C'mon, I got money on this and I need to go to bed.
Did we win in Iraq or did we miss the field goal or something and lose?
Schwartzenegger had sex with a 16 year old?
Say what now?
I loves me some carrot cake.
Carrot cake?
There's cake?
Cause I prefer cake to death.
I spoke with my nephew today who's in a reserve unit here. He's 20. He said that he didn't know when they were going to send him along with the rest of his unit. Some in it had already volunteered ahead of the rest of the unit and are there now, he said. He said that they were currently training him and others "to drive trucks", like, large fuel trucks."
Seebach--I worry for the girl, but I hope it's true.
Schwarzenegger. Must. Go.
(wiping tears)
Sorry about that. (hic!) Do people really have no memories at all?
NYMary
Don't you remember how Cheney parachuted into the Transvaal, made his way to Mandela's prison, knocked out a guard, dressed up in his clothes, and sprang Mandela? It was all over the papers. He made T.E. Lawrence look like...well, like an Eschaton troll.
Met an acquaintence in the barber shop the other day. This asshole went off on what a fucking asshole Kerry was back in September. The conversation got around to the price of gas and he said what do you expect with oil guys running the government. I told him, well, you dumb fuck, you voted for these criminals so what the fuck are complianing about. It didn't end nicely.
NYMary--on the same theme, I slice tomatoes in half, drizzle them with olive oil, slap some mozzarella on top, and stick them under the broiler.
Any kind of cheese except American, really.
"Hope is the thing with feathers."
AnnnnK!
Wrong.
Evil psychotic alien carrot is the thing with feathers.
Floyd--pay up. We lost back in 1998, when the PNAC signatories finalized "Rebuilding America's Defenses."
Go Cindy Sheehan. You have changed everything.
"You know they say life is short? One day you wake up and all your dreams and everything you wished for, gone just like that. And what I want, I want this day now, the way you look right now, the way I look at you and my feelings for you, I just want this to last forever, you know."
"And it will. No matter what, we've always had this and had each other. and nothing can ever change that. But, I just want you to know, you'll always have someone here for you. Always. I'm never gonna leave you. I'm never gonna leave you. I love you."
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Mornin', moonbats...Just showing my gravatar to my kid...we're having a late-nite cartoon fix while she dyes her hair purple.
I just hope she's this entertaining AFTER puberty.
Sallyh, it might not be true. It's not like there is any corroborating evidence that Schwartzenegger is unethical or has problems making sexual advances on women...
Any kind of cheese except American, really.
American cheese isn't actually cheese....
it's solidified orange, umm, something.
Can I call you "Cute Phila"? It'll piss the hell out of Thers.....
NYMary
I think if he can post chez moi about what a nice ass I have, you're more than entitled to call me "Cute Phila."
Sharkbabe,
Did something happen? Or are you on dial-up?
He made T.E. Lawrence look like...well, like an Eschaton troll.
In that they both dig getting whipped by Arab men?
I told him, well, you dumb fuck, you voted for these criminals so what the fuck are complianing about. It didn't end nicely.
LOL.
God but they're a bunch of dumb bunnies aren't they?
Too bad they've fucked america for a generation. 
Or they could be training him to drive those vehicles that are being blown up by IEDs. Not sure. I was too stunned to get specific afterwards.
Must run along now. Goodnight, folks!
As a counter to this depressing (but predictable) revelation about chimpy's administration being a clusterfuck.
Here's something odd and wonderfull I found in the new book section at the local library. Neil Gaiman's new book 1602, a bound Marvel comic done about that time in history. Of course the whole story line has almost no basis in real history. I view it as a kind of art piece.
Seebach--I understand that Ahnuld's rep precedes him, but let's make sure this is verifiable. Because nothing would make me happier, except for seeing the Crime Syndicate in DC collapse.
Captain Goto,
My kids like to check in to see renato and David (Austin, TX).
American cheese isn't actually cheese....
it's solidified orange, umm, something.
four legs good
cheese related program activities
I told him, well, you dumb fuck, you voted for these criminals so what the fuck are complianing about. It didn't end nicely.
Someday soon though people won't want to admit they voted for Bush.
It will be like trying to find people who'll admit they voted for Nixon.
Verifiable would be nice. But I'm also reminded of a story of a Texas politician who fucked sows.
I was just thinking, oh my god, he's going to be burned alive.
My kids like to check in to see renato and David (Austin, TX).
They don't check in to see lion kitty?
He'll be crushed.
I was just thinking, oh my god, he's going to be burned alive.
That's what I was thinking but I didn't want to say that.
Shit. Why don't they just paint a target on these kids?
What's better is that the stupid fuck swore he didn't vote for Bush!! I called him a transparent fucking liar just like w.
From the St. Pat's Four:
As Peter, Jessica and boys, Jeannie (that's our own redjb--NYMary) and other folks from Ithaca head down to Crawford Texas, Teresa reflects on the theme of mothers who are stricken with remorse at the senseless death their sons have met, due to administrations' greed for power over the worlds resources, at any cost!
How dare we even utter the words of justification for such carnage! Instead let us mourn, and organize ourselves into nonviolent resisters to the war machine! Peace be with you all, Teresa.
Come to the trial and citizens' tribunal the week of September 19th in Binghamton at the Federal Courthouse. Lunch and dinner provided across the street at the Christ Episcopal Church. Visit the website of the St. Patrick's Four at www.stpatricksfour.org for more information.
This is an excerpt of Betty Good's testimony in the trial of the Camden 28 which took place from February 5th- May 20th 1973. The 28 defendants (one of whom was John Peter Grady, father to Clare and Teresa,) in connection to a draft board raid on August 22nd 1971, were charged with conspiracy to remove and destroy files from the draft board, FBI office, and the Army Intelligence office, destruction of government property, and interfering with the Selective Service system. If convicted, some of the indicted faced over 40 years in federal prison.
Betty Good, mother of ten children whom she and her husband raised on a farm in Pennsylvania, was present at this trial in support of her son Robert Good a defendant in the trial. Another son James Good was facing charges for a similar action in Buffalo, N.Y. A third son Paul just years before, enlisted in the armed services and was killed in Vietnam.
Howard Zinn a historian Boston University testified just before Mrs. Good (she had not intended to testify), revealing the reasons for which her son, Paul, died. (Tin, Rubber, and Oil)!
She felt sickened, and to use her words "ashamed". She asked to testify next.
The following attachment are her words to the jury.
1)"These middle class Americans" refers to those prosecuting the defendants
2) "these kids are trying to do" refers to the defendants (even though my dad was only ten years her junior, if that)
3)She speaks of being proud of her son, Robert and Co. doing the right thing, that is how he was raised then, she then begins to speak being ashamed about her son Paul who was killed in Vietnam he didn't know that what he was doing the wrong.
4) She was proud of him, and then asks the question, "Can anybody stand here......."
All the defendants of the Camden 28 were acquitted of all the charges! Except for one, Anita Ricci, whose family put pressure on her to cop a plea before trial.
I'm sure I'm being overly alarmist.
Vinnie... so how Did it end?
Vinnie... so how Did it end?
How fucking nice. Bush can go to a little legue game, but can't meet with one woman who actually has something to say.
1602 is nice, but the ending is a bit rushed and not as expansive as planned.
And here's the testimony:
I really feel guilty---I feel guilty that we have sat aside and let them take our boys. Mr. Zinn put it so beautifully when he said they are kidnapped, literally, and they are taken ten thousand miles away from home.
Most of them just kids that maybe havent been more than 50 miles away from home. Like my son. He never owned a car, something he was looking forward to. Why should these lives be cut off for tin, rubber, and oil
?
I feel Paul should be here. He should be enjoying life. He would be 25. He might be married and have a child. He wouldnt know what it was to hold his first son, like we did
maybe these middle-class Americans dont realize what these kids are trying to do. They are trying to show us where were wrong
I certainly dont want to see my son in prison for what hes done. But Im proud of what hes done. Hes done what we brought him up to do
We ought to be ashamed of ourselves. I know that I was. I am ashamed of the day I took my son to that airplane and put him on. Im ashamed of any pride that I had when the taps were played and I did have pride in my country.
And Im proud of my son because he didnt know. We should have known, but he didnt know. A kid that never had a gun in his life, because we, like the Reillys, never had a gun in our home. When I say we were taught non-violence
Our children were taught non-violence. Thats exactly what I mean
To take that lovely boy and to tell him, You are fighting for your country
How stupid can you get? He was fighting for his country. Can anybody stand here and tell me how he was fighting for his country
?
I cant understand what were doing over there. We should get out of this. But not one of us, not a one of us, raised our hands to do anything about it. We left it up to these people, for them to do it. And now we are prosecuting them for it. God
.
What's better is that the stupid fuck swore he didn't vote for Bush!! I called him a transparent fucking liar just like w.
Yeah, he hated Kerry but he didn't vote for bush.
Anytime any of my local wingnut acquaintances complain about the war, or gas prices... I just say, "well, thank your boy in Crawford!"
I'm not invited to too many parties lately. LOL.
Thers - it was Turkish, not Arab, men who flogged and buggered Lawrence
So they're all resigning, right?
I mean, they acknowledge that they blew it.
So they're going to do the honorable thing, right?
Anyone? Hello?
(crickets)
Whatever he'll be driving, obviously it wont be in the Green Zone behind a desk where it's safe.
You know the other thing this article provides? It makes any winger objections to Cindy Sheehan's question moot.
I'm sure I'm being overly alarmist.
I hope so.
Any chance you can talk him in to going to Canada?
"I think that's bullshit... just let it go"
http://tinyurl.com/7rcme
Thers - it was Turkish, not Arab, men who flogged and buggered Lawrence
Nevermind. Close enough.
4legs,
I still get a moon from you. (Pull your pants up! Who do you think you are, NTodd?)
They can't even be greedy pricks well.
Don't mind me, I just woke up to go pee.
.
I'm aware already that the story line in 1602 is not as good as it could be, but I view it as visual art, and not literature.
Well we're both approaching 60 so we didn't get physical but it was rather ugly and I doubt if he'll acknowledge my prescence whenever I run into him next time. He is a fucking coward, he won't even admit he voted for the idiot and say he was mistaken.
Chickenshit motherfucker.
And I told him so.
"Captain Wrath" -
You realize that you, like all your sockpupppet alter-egos, are a fucktard?
Don't you, asswipe?
Wow, my gravatar has fans, huh?
That cool.
I guess.
4legs,
I still get a moon from you. (Pull your pants up! Who do you think you are, NTodd?)
It's a "moon" for bats.
One of the things which interests me about the St. Pat's Four trial is something someone said the other night: "We keep thinking we have to reinvent the peace movement with every war. But that's not true. We have a tradition."
WalterNeff--and you are still handsome.
Chickenshit motherfucker.
And I told him so.
Good for you. Everyone who voted for bush should be made to feel shame for inflicting this asshole on the world for another 4 years.
David (Austin TX),
My kid loves the Gorillaz. And if you're in Austin, do you know Ron Flynt?
must.go.to.sleep.
goodnight all you bats with your bat related program activities
Sallyh, what's for dessert, is anything left?
Oh, and the barber agrees with me. I wouldn't want to be him next time he gets a haircut!
sallyh - two recipes wending their way to you.
It's a "moon" for bats.
I suspected as much....
Anybody have a link to the real casualty figures for Iraq? Is it true that soldiers taken away from the battlefield aren't counted in the official toll?
The real tragedy of the whole mess for me is that it doesn't matter to them if they died in Iraq or if they died getting run over by a bus on main street. The end result is the same, and they aren't any more able to kiss their children or their parents if they get draped in the flags of patriotism. I almost vomited when I read that a local boy died the very same day his little daughter was born. I wonder if the story even got any play outside of the city.
God, it's such a waste. I need Incog to cheer me up right about now.
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Anytime any of my local wingnut acquaintances complain about the war, or gas prices... I just say, "well, thank your boy in Crawford!"
I'm not invited to too many parties lately. LOL.
four legs good | Email | 08.14.05 - 1:58 am | #
I have to remember that line! I've used the "Well, it's obviously that's what the people wanted, since they elected him," line quite often.... and enjoyed it, immensely!
I live in the "Live Music Capital of the World", so I should, but alas my experience with the local music scene is woefully lacking.
"Well, it's obviously what the people wanted, since they elected him,"
I suspected as much....
Well, I am all eeeevilll and shit.
Is the moon too creepy?
But he's not as handsome as me.
.
OWL--how many times have we heard that one?
No, an awful lot of people didn't want him. A lot more than 48%, if you have any faith in real math.
Gee, I see 1602 as both. comics generally are. Now, good literature or not is another thing. I think it's good for what it was trying to do. just not great. I liked it enough to get the hardcover though.
I especially liked the way it portrayed Cap America as not merely accepting his country with blind patriotism. As wanting to remake it as something better. I liked comics from a distance as a kid, but never really read or collected much. Always saw Cap as some overpatriotic do-gooder idiot. I had no idea he likes to beat up republican presidents and protested government stupidity.
It was, oddly enough, a she-hulk comic that increased my appreciation for the medium just recently. That was the first comic I had bought in almost 20 years. And I'm a rather literary soul, Mervyn Peake, Thomas Pynchon, Poe, Frederick Pohl, Lorrie Moore...etc...usually more my speed. But there are things to be learned from all literary mediums.
Is it true that soldiers taken away from the battlefield aren't counted in the official toll?
Yes, that's what I've heard. People who get airlifted to Germany or wherever aren't counted, so they try to get as many off the battlefield alive as they can. The 1850 or so of the official count had to be pretty seriously fucked up in order to not be able to covered for.
NYMary,
Yes, we do have a tradition. And this time around, we have the web and cell phones with cameras in them and Blackberries. We ought to be able to end this clusterfuck of a quagmire of a debacle. The UN will have to do what it was invented to do and come in and clean up the mess we've made -- to our shame.
EvilWalterNeff--what have you done with WalterNeff, Handsomest Man in the Universe?
I live in the "Live Music Capital of the World", so I should, but alas my experience with the local music scene is woefully lacking.
Mine too. I use the excuse that I'm old.
And that the bars just aren't set up to provide proper seating for a centaur.
The UN will have to do what it was invented to do and come in and clean up the mess we've made -- to our shame.
That is if chimpy's minion Bolton the walrus man doesn't blow up the UN first.
4lg,
I could see that as a problem
No, an awful lot of people didn't want him. A lot more than 48%, if you have any faith in real math.
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 08.14.05 - 2:09 am |
That's true, but it's fun to point out to the wingers that they voted for him
And that the bars just aren't set up to provide proper seating for a centaur.
Ain't that always the way?
4Legs--they really do design bar seating to be biased in favor of bipeds, don't they?
I'd sue for discrimination.
Is the moon too creepy?
four legs good
It's nothing compared to rorschach's constantly changing pictures of evil clowns brandishing deadly weapons, or Walter Neff's suavely alluring goateed alter-ego.
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Hmm... I wonder if it's possible if we're abandoning Iraq to move on to Iran. I mean, that's what Cheney wants. But I don't see how it's feasible. But that hasn't stopped the neocons yet.
Dammit. I come home buzzed from a night of great music and get hit in the face with this. Fuckers.
What great music, you ask? Why, Brian Wilson! Absolutely awe-inspiring. Review here.
Roasted tomato sauce? Do tell. We're drowning in tomatoes here.
NYMary
Very simple. Slice the tomatoes in half and remove the seeds. Spray with oil (or lightly brush) on both cut side and skin side; add salt and pepper on cut side. Put cut side down on baking sheet. Bake in 450 degree oven for 20-25 minutes depending on how big they are. Let cool and run thru food mill.
You'll never want the canned stuff again.
Fielding Mellish:
What a great quote. Love should always be like that -- are you married/taken? Romance is in your blood. It needs to be shared.
Ain't that always the way?
Life can be so difficult.
Alas.
That is if chimpy's minion Bolton the walrus man doesn't blow up the UN first.
four legs good
Koo koo ka choo!
4Legs--has Maxx made the world safe yet again from alien carrots?
I've not finished 1602 yet, but have found it enjoyable regardless of what it can be classified as.
"Schwartzenegger had sex with a 16 year old?"
in what state? there are, if memory serves, three states in the union with age of consent under 16.
-J.T.
He is strapped, spreadeagled, to a titanium gurney awaiting the focused rays of my patent-pending laser beam . . .
OF DOOM!
.
The look on their faces, when they've just been bitching about something caused by their man, and then you say something like that to them, is fantastic. It also shuts them right up. They give a nasty look and stalk away!
Someday I'm going to come and camp in your living rooms so I can attend the SXSW festival. You know that, don't you?
JT--CA isn't one of them.
Seebach,
We know that the neo-cons want the US in perpetual war.
First off, eventually we will get the sought after democracy they want installed
Second, they can keep people afraid.
Third, neo-cons don't get drafted, so when a draft is instituted, they know their children are protected.
4Legs--has Maxx made the world safe yet again from alien carrots?
He says it's a neverending task, as it has turned out that the carrots are un-dead.
Fortunately for the fate of the world, he is enthusiastic in his defense of the planet.
Here's the Schwartzenegger story.
Doug
1602 was supposed to be continued.
have you read gaiman's "american gods?" very fine craft writing.
all the 'sandman' comics were collected into trade paper editions.
-J.T.
Oh, yeah, EvilWalterNeff is hotter than WalterNeff.
flory,
Could one roast garlic with the tomatoes?
oh! sorry doug. I didn't realize. I'll not comment more on the ending then.
Are you at all familiar with comics otherwise? Or is this a shot in the dark for you?
EvilWalterNeff--if you do that to WalterNeff, who will get us ice cream?
NYMary,
I don't know.
After we meet next month, you may want to avoid me at all costs
Also, someone should dig up and re-air the stories about Schwartzenegger's ties with Enron. Just for that last twist of the knife.
Someday I'm going to come and camp in your living rooms so I can attend the SXSW festival. You know that, don't you?
As long as you don't mind sharing the sofa with lion kitty Maxx, c'mon down!
Seebach
ok. i had seen that info before. thought there might be a new incident.
-J.T.
I just can't understand the internal workings of people like Wolfowitz and Feith, who send people off to die for their neat little principles while they shop for suits and take PowerPoint briefings.
Do they not see them as humans? Is it really that simple for them? How the fuck do they sleep at night?
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I've heard the most wonderful things about the sandman, but I've stayed away from those trades. If I liked the first one, things would get very expensive very quickly...
Someday surely...
flory,
Could one roast garlic with the tomatoes?
I don't see why not.
That sounds delicious.
flory,
Could one roast garlic with the tomatoes?
Heck yeah. I wouldn't put them in til the last 10 minutes tho.
You do not want burnt garlic.
Do they not see them as humans? Is it really that simple for them? How the fuck do they sleep at night?
They do not, and they sleep fine at night.
They are fuckers of the worst sort.
"If I liked the first one, things would get very expensive very quickly..."
oh my yes. luckily i used to have a real job that paid actual money.
dang, i miss bill clinton being a full time president.
-J.T.
Did atrios turn off the thread bot?
Mellish--sociopaths sleep well. Look at Chimpy.
I just can't understand the internal workings of people like Wolfowitz and Feith, who send people off to die for their neat little principles while they shop for suits and take PowerPoint briefings.
Do they not see them as humans? Is it really that simple for them? How the fuck do they sleep at night?
This is a huge question for me, Fielding. Like it's all a big game of Risk or something. That's why Cindy Sheehan is so important. She's raw and human and real.
I have escaped - my evil brother stupidly used timber hitch knots to bind me to the table instead of the clove hitch favored by most evil geniuses - what a dweeb.
Back to bed for me - the bed . . .
OF DOOM!
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speaking of ms. sheehan:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
th...casey_5603.html
-J.T.
I should've added to the tomato sauce receipt:
You want to use really meaty tomatoes - plum are best but beefsteak also work. A lot of the heirloom varieties are mostly skin and seeds and don't work that well.
Also the tomatoes are roasted when the skin starts to just slightly blacken.
flory,
Could one roast garlic with the tomatoes?
Heck yeah. I wouldn't put them in til the last 10 minutes tho.
You do not want burnt garlic.
:D
Mellish--sociopaths sleep well. Look at Chimpy.
And in a pinch, there's Ambien.
There have also been significantly fewer sightings of any 'W' sticker. Which is odd, because I have noticed more Kerry/Edwards stickers as of late.
well guess what?
appears my neighbors who had the W stickers on their car...
...removed it!
I guess that's a small victory. Either they woke up or were shamed into removing them.
I vote Alison Janney as Ms. Sheehan when they make the movie.
Okay, I really leaving
Clean sheets, but I'm off to bed. Later, my 'bats!
My kids like to check in to see renato and David (Austin, TX).
NYMary
that's cool!
Hi, NYMary's kids! What are you doing up at this hour anyway???
NYMary--my guess is that Ambien is used in droves at this time by the thoughtful and not at all by the criminals in charge.
Would be so lovely to see that change.
instead of the clove hitch favored by most evil geniuses - what a dweeb.
Is it possible to be both an evil genius and a dweeb?
Just askin'
Fresh sheets.
fresh linen.
-J.T.
Clinton... seems like a dream now.
Now it's just idiots farther than one can see.
I find myself especially disheartened at how crazy Blair is going after his own little 9/11 and how he seems to be surging in the polls for it. Does this shit happen everywhere now? I liked pattern A a lot better.
What a great quote. Love should always be like that -- are you married/taken? Romance is in your blood. It needs to be shared.
Sandy-LA 90034
It's from the prologue of the "Wake Me Up When September Ends" video by Green Day that Atrios linked the other day. It will tear your heart out, and has particular resonance for me because the Army helped destroy my marriage. Not by sending me to Iraq, but by sending me to Korea.
All I wanted was to hold and be held, as corny as that was. I always thought that validation came from being loved, and it never worked out very well. Life can be very hard, but I guess that just makes it all the sweeter in the moments when everything clicks.
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JohnTomato
and
ken
"1602 was supposed to be continued.
have you read gaiman's "american gods?" very fine craft writing.
all the 'sandman' comics were collected into trade paper editions."
Thanks for the heads up on these.
Reading comics? I remember one month in Summer camp when I was a kid, and one of the other campers had a whole footlocker of remaindered (covers removed) comics. Had a good time then. I've really only looked at a few since.
Has there ever been a bigger foreign policy fuckup in the history of the U.S.? I think not.
CAPTAIN WRATH - "Where was all this concern for the innocent Iraqis being killed when Saddam was in power?"
Check out back issues of The Nation
capt Ahab - Your ideological predecessors looked the other way, or even nodded approval, when it came to the murder of millions in Siberia and China and Cambodia, and you are carrying on the very fine tradition to this day.
You don't have a clue about what "liberal" means.
Okay sir! Thank you for that admission! Now, after the troops return, can you please take the money and redirect it into actually finding the leaders of the terrorist groups so we can go after them in cooperation with other nations?
Sir? The money?
You do have the money?
Right?
Sir?
Why is there an echo in this bank vault?
"Taking the fight to the enemy" is one of those phrases that sounds good, until you start thinking about where you'd rather be fighting:
A Home Turf(which is what we had in the Revolution, and barely won our independence)You know the ground, you have the population on your side, and the 'enemy' is easily detected, etc.
or
B: Their Turf, where we're the outsiders blundering in who don't have enough translators, where there isn't a conventional 'army' to fight, and where the looting and lack of progress in restoring utilities droves and drives the population away, not toward us.
That's 0 for 22
I dunno about the rest of you guys, but I am getting really tired of being right about this shit every time.
Where was all this concern for the innocent Iraqis being killed when Saddam was in power?
Start with Amnesty International, and go from there.
"shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning" -senior official involved in policy since the 2003 invasion
Not just "unreality", but one which "dominated". That is a scary thing to fess up to. I'm with you Seraphiel, I'm damned sick of being right about all this stuff, and I want some ass to get kicked.
If this had been Clinton's war, you can bet your ass the very same fascist fucks who support a war that even the administration says was dominated by unreality (and it is virtually impossible to find a single example of "reality" in this fucking disgraceful mess), they would be baying for his impeachment. And so would I. But where are they now? Just as fearful and blood-crazed as ever. The Poodles of War.
In the real world, if you go out and gun down a few thousand people, you better have a goddamn bulletproof reason, or you go to jail. Whoevertherfuck you are, or your pappy is. Or what youre party is...
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The big problem as Frank Rich points out is who do we pick to clean up this mess? Seems the Dems thinkin of running in '08 are nothing more than enablers of Smirks war.
If voters put Repubs back in charge in '06, kiss this country goodbye.
but we're slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic
Wasn't this readily predictable at the outset from the known demographics of Iraq?
I know how we can pay for this stupid oil grab by the emperor! A friend of mine works for the IRS. For the past year or so he's been going into work each day and doing nothing but writing out refund checks to the RICH courtesy of the Bush tax cuts.
Pay back, as they say is a bitch!
Who do we pick to clean up this mess?!?!?!?!
She's down in Crawford right now holding the emperors feet to the fire. She's demonstrated all the qualities that neither party can manifest; integrity honesty compassion competence iron will . . .
Remember that a little guy in a sheet brought down the british empire. Who knows what a lady in a lawn chair could do.
We were all heroes in error.
Big deal.
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CAPTAIN WRATH - "Where was all this concern for the innocent Iraqis being killed when Saddam was in power?"
Check out back issues of The Nation"
No, I'd rather check out back issues of the Times or Post and try to find the massive protests that occurred calling for the end of the killing in Rwanda or Iraq, just like I am looking for the protests about Sudan righ now.
"What kind of bullshit question is this? I spent a good chunk of the early 1980s going to anti-Saddam demonstrations, writing letters, and calling Congress. I even had a hideous photo of a gassed Kurdish child taped to my college notebook, as a conversation-starter."
Really? When and where? And how many actually showed up? And what were your proposed solutions for that mess?
Please, let us all know.
So, this would mean we were right, no?
Doesn't someone owe us an apology?
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To Captain Wrath,
When are you going to enlist?
Or are you too busy fighting the war on ideas.
"Senior Administration Officials: Damn We Were Fucking Stupid" - Atrios.
Is this the sams senior adminitration official who said an upcoming military report would document US guards flushed a Koran down the toilet?
Ooops.
Nice to see Atrios reverts from 2 sentence foreign policy to copy-and-paste mode again.
Not surprised.
Atrios,
Ummm, from reading this article I have to wonder about those of us who called this catastrophe "wrongheaded" right from day #1, and Atrios, that includes those of us who read wonky magazines like Foreign Policy Review, Foreign Press Review, and had an interest in the intelligence rackets. We saw this disaster get sold like a sea bass wrapped in newspaper.
There was always one problem. The intel didn't jibe with the claims.
Yet, while Congress was spoonfed the neo-con drivel de jour and the wonkier intel voices who were screaming that the weapons claims were wrong were ignored, and are still beinging ignored. The intelligence community was torn between groups who use specific sources, and I think Ray McGovern can bear me out on this. This squabbling led Congress to choose the "worst case" scenario.
So, I can't feel Schadenfreude, but instead I feel a deep sadness for the loss our nation has taken at the hands of a village idiot, egged on by arch right wing fanatics lost in delusions of grandure.
Jesus H. Christ, what the hell were otherwise sensible men and women thinking?
Democracy in Iraq? No, we just created a place safe for Mullah-crats, their versions of the Dobson's, Chambers', Falwell's and Robertson's. We have traded a secular society strong armed together by a cold bastard like Saddam, for an Islamic Republic which throws acid in the faces of unveiled women, and makes "liberty" into a sick joke.
What a dividend for day-dreaming neo-cons who led the village idiot down the flowery lane with tales of gallantry, and visions of the greatness that was Greece and Rome! Ah, the paths of glory. How they have led so many to an early grave, and so many others into corruption.
Why is Bush still President?
Ah yes, here we have Capt Wrath another wingnut who's lost his way. Let's see how his logic works. Saddam killed innocents and we didn't protest. Ergo when we kill innocent Iraqis, we should shut the hell up because we didn't protest when Saddam did it.
There were protests, you just didn't care enough to notice then. The truth is most Americans, while concerned about brutal regimes, aren't hot on the idea of sending their sons and daughters to die to protect those innocent lives.
Our solution was to call out the brutality of his regime and to apply political and economic pressure. As I recall, the UN sanctions were particularly brutal, there were no-fly zones to the north and to the south, which we regularly enforced, and UN inspectors were on the ground just before Bush ordered them out in advance of the war. So I'd say we pretty much had a solution in place and it was rather effective in isolating Saddam. The no fly zones in ther north alone helped the Kruds to organize again Saddam (remember Daddy Bush sat and watched as the Kruds were slaughtered).
Hell Capt Wrath, even my friend the VFW Commander, a former special forces guy says that we didn't need to invade and that it's clear to him that resources needed in the hunt for Bin Laden (remember him?) were taken away to prepare for Iraq. He wants to know why Bin Laden keeps showing up on his TV threatening him. I suppose you have an answer for that one, huh, smart boy!
C'mon Cindy . . .
Your son and hundreds of others died to found an Islamic Republic and top ally to Iran.
Duh!
Cog? Oh yes, I thought I recognized your face during my morning dump.
Any minute now... I'm not an immature hypocrite... just you wait, any minute I'll prove my claim about Atrios being more responsible for what goes in in the Arab media than American activity in Iraq... any minute now, just you wait and see.
But not this minute, obviously. It's back to having "serious" debate by ignoring the thread topic entirely, pathetically parsing a previous topic on minutae instead of the actual details, and indulging in ad hominem again. Which I claim only liberals do. Shit! I made a boo boo!
Your sons died so Judy Miller could get laid.
"The goal now is to ensure a constitution that can be easily amended later so Iraq can grow into a democracy, U.S. officials say."
That way they dont NEED the 'nucular' option
Who is this Seņior Administrationofficial? Is he Scott McLean's replacement? It's odd an odd surname and it's weirder that he wants to be addressed as "Seņior" and not just as Mr. Administrationofficial.
We set out to establish a democracy, but we're slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic,"
I could never figure why this country is SO arrogant that it thinks OUR way of life would WORK with people in countries of completely different histories, beliefs, value systems, etc. than ours.
WHY does everyone HAVE to be like US?
"The United States no longer expects to see ... a society where the majority of people are free from serious security or economic challenges"
...Uh, exactly which country are we talking about here?
Democrats everywhere need to smarten up, look no farthur then Paul Hackett, and his success.
Just keep reminding people this a) Bush's war, and b) his failed policies have been rubber stamped by his GOP Congress.
What a bunch of stupid Bolshevik fucks you all are here! LOL
Go take a bath, drink a bit of Scotch and ponder ways to overcome your collective childhoods where things obviously went wrong for you after your daddies kept touching you in you "special place."
You people make the best argument for abortion. Ironic but hilarious! Keep up the good work!
Doesn't it make you long for the days when Saddam was in charge ?!?!
He was so far ahead of us . He understands the factions and the problems .
I think we should return him to power and get the f- out .
I’ve taken a quick look at your postings, which are very interesting. Lots of material and ideas! Congrats on being so focused!
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