facts? what are those?
genoasail |
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08.20.05 - 10:39 am | #
It amuses me how the ruff-'n'-tuff wingnuts are always ready to hide their factually-challenged carcasses behind "You're So MEAN!!!" defense.
Why, if I didn't know any better, I'd say they were all a bunch of mewling, puling cowards.
Phoenix Woman |
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08.20.05 - 10:41 am | #
My recent experience with lefty blogs that misread, freak out, and hurl insults makes me unwilling to engage with people who don't show a commitment to civil discourse.
Waaaaaaah!!!
Ahh...cheeba! |
08.20.05 - 10:42 am | #
"Hey, Jonah Goldberg, Glenn Reynolds and Terry Teachout love me! Get your own facts - I'm writing here!"
Foggg |
08.20.05 - 10:42 am | #
"I didn't fact check that either."
That woman Ann Althouse sounds as if she works almost a hard as the prez.
mer |
08.20.05 - 10:44 am | #
She writes very fucking incoherently. Then she whines about lefty blogs misunderestimating her. She needs to work on her issues.
trifecta |
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08.20.05 - 10:44 am | #
"Hey, a bunch of rationality-impaired liars with bad manners think I'm cool! Woo-Hoo!!!"
Pathetic.
Jennifer |
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08.20.05 - 10:46 am | #
Damn, and then she gets snotty about Atrios's post.
Meander, Vilis Peregrinus |
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08.20.05 - 10:47 am | #
Who needs facts? We just make shit up as it pleases us! That's what makes us Right!
Derelict |
08.20.05 - 10:48 am | #
Ann probably has never gotten as many hits on a Saturday morning. What is she moaning about?
Shorter Althouse: Spank me again Atrios.
trifecta |
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08.20.05 - 10:49 am | #
I just love it when the right wing presumes to lecture us about civil discourse when their whole M.O. is to smear and/or demonize liberals.
Another Bruce |
08.20.05 - 10:50 am | #
Ann Althouse? Who the heck is she?
Six Million Dollar Man |
08.20.05 - 10:50 am | #
Wingnuts sure do have thin skin.
Kate |
08.20.05 - 10:50 am | #
Any woman named Ann Althouse is cooler than me.
Jonah Goldberg |
08.20.05 - 10:51 am | #
Shorter Althouse: Spank me again Atrios.
trifecta | Email | Homepage | 08.20.05 - 10:49 am
yeah, you've got to love it - posting that crap is kind of like trying to stop chigger bugs from biting you by scratching harder.
r@d@r |
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08.20.05 - 10:51 am | #
OT, but this is way groovy. Too bad others won't take up his fine example:
Costas Refuses to Host Show on Holloway By DAVID BAUDER, AP
NEW YORK - While some cable TV hosts are making their living off the Natalee Holloway case this summer, Bob Costas is having none of it.
Costas, hired by CNN as an occasional fill-in on "Larry King Live," refused to anchor Thursday's show because it was primarily about the Alabama teenager who went missing in Aruba. Chris Pixley filled in at the last minute.
"I didn't think the subject matter of Thursday's show was the kind of broadcast I should be doing," Costas said in a statement. "I suggested some alternatives but the producers preferred the topics they had chosen. I was fine with that, and respectfully declined to participate."
Six Million Dollar Man |
08.20.05 - 10:51 am | #
Some woman named Ann Outhouse is smerter than me
Glenn Reynolds |
08.20.05 - 10:52 am | #
Obliged, not "obligated".
Grammar Nazi |
08.20.05 - 10:52 am | #
Morning, all!
steve simels |
08.20.05 - 10:52 am | #
Ann, no one likes a crybaby.
I don't want to see Gorelick (or anyone else) smeared, but by serving on the Commission, she contributed to the feeling many of us have now that we were deprived of the whole story.
And why do you suppose, darling, that we didn't get the whole story? How might it had been different if the Dems controlled, let's say, Congress? You want someone to blame, but you refuse to look in the most obvious place.
Why is that?
pie |
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08.20.05 - 10:52 am | #
MSM "whew, thank God they found the body of the missing brown girl in Philly that the bloggers shamed us into covering. Now, back to the missing southern white woman in Aruba and her pretty, white, southern mother".
Kate |
08.20.05 - 10:52 am | #
Why, if I didn't know any better, I'd say they were all a bunch of mewling, puling cowards.
Phoenix Woman
Right on PW,
Remember, these were the little bastards on the playgroung that would like to start shit up, but if said shit backfired, ran screaming to mommy, daddy, or the nearest authority figure, of course relating a completely different representation of the events.
Rove got his ass kicked by a girl whose bike had a kennedy for prez sticker on it.
.
PhilosopherKing™ Embigulator |
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08.20.05 - 10:53 am | #
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
William Shakespeare, "Hamlet", Act 3 scene 2
dc |
08.20.05 - 10:54 am | #
The right wing has often stated (Rush Limbaugh in particular) that their goal is to eliminate liberalism. When I read or hear statements like that, I can only presume that they would eliminate liberals if they could. So please STFU about civil discourse Ann.
Another Bruce |
08.20.05 - 10:54 am | #
Rove got his ass kicked by a girl whose bike had a kennedy for prez sticker on it.
.
PhilosopherKing™ Embigulator | Email | Homepage | 08.20.05 - 10:53 am
speaking of which, "Rove got his ass kicked by a girl" would make a nice bumper sticker.
r@d@r |
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08.20.05 - 10:55 am | #
The right wing has often stated (Rush Limbaugh in particular) that their goal is to eliminate liberalism. When I read or hear statements like that, I can only presume that they would eliminate liberals if they could. So please STFU about civil discourse Ann.
Another Bruce | 08.20.05 - 10:54 am
i always say, if they truly want to eliminate us, they're going to have to eat us first!
r@d@r |
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08.20.05 - 10:56 am | #
factesque is where it's at! who needs facts themselves?
and isn't it funny how so many right-wing blogs either don't offer comments, or heavily censor any comments they do have?
In case anyone cares, I am back from my job-seeking excursion to Orange County and I am 99% convinced I am going to move there...
renato |
08.20.05 - 10:56 am | #
UPDATE: A shorter Atrios... Wait! You can't get any shorter. I mean: Thanks to Atrios for providing an instant example of what I'm saying about lefty blogs. Sigh.
Six Million Dollar Man - finally, an American journalist with the gumption not to broadcast complete and utter nonnews even in a "slow season".
TheaLogie |
08.20.05 - 10:57 am | #
speaking of which, "Rove got his ass kicked by a girl" would make a nice bumper sticker.
Retarded amoebas find GR insufferably obtuse.
steve simels |
08.20.05 - 10:58 am | #
Just another republican whore, who like Michelle would be working in a rub and tug in Manilla if the Republican party and corporate media did not exist
wd |
08.20.05 - 10:58 am | #
In case anyone cares, I am back from my job-seeking excursion to Orange County and I am 99% convinced I am going to move there...
renato | Email | 08.20.05 - 10:56 am
watch out renato, there might be a job for you there which is of course good, but that's heavy rethuglican country there...and worse...
i had a good interview on thursday, my unemployed status may be over, in which case - drinks are on me! [not asking for a postgame gatorade shower]
r@d@r |
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08.20.05 - 10:58 am | #
Bonjour les 'bats!
Nűr al-Cubicle |
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08.20.05 - 10:59 am | #
Wow. Another conservative who plays fast and loose (or not at all) with the facts? I'm shocked -- SHOCKED, I tell you.
To add insult to injury, she's a really lousy writer.
res ipsa loquitur |
08.20.05 - 10:59 am | #
The right wing has often stated (Rush Limbaugh in particular) that their goal is to eliminate liberalism. When I read or hear statements like that, I can only presume that they would eliminate liberals if they could. So please STFU about civil discourse Ann.
Make Conservatives History
Ann Outhouse |
08.20.05 - 11:00 am | #
but that's heavy rethuglican country there...and worse...
Is that true about OC? I heard awhile ago that it was tending Democratic.
Another Bruce |
08.20.05 - 11:01 am | #
Ntodd, do you know who that idiot robdouth is? You are his Eschatidiot of the day. You should be proud. I won on Thursday. Mainly because he doesn't understand sarcasm.
trifecta |
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08.20.05 - 11:02 am | #
To add insult to injury, she's a really lousy writer.
And really poor taste in template style,
and bad hair.
My recent experience with lefty blogs that misread, freak out, and hurl insults makes me unwilling to engage with people who don't show a commitment to civil discourse.
In politics, civil discourse is flirting, ad hominem and insults are heavy petting, dirty tricks smears and mudslinging is missionary and head bashing with bats is just rough sex.
Ann Outhouse |
08.20.05 - 11:06 am | #
Ntodd, do you know who that idiot robdouth is? You are his Eschatidiot of the day.
No idea NTodd. I was looking at my site meter and robdouth.blogspot.com was giving me some hits so I looked.
I made a sarcastic comment that since Hagel and Feingold are for withdrawing troops, we have 2 Senators down 49 to go. He thought I was serious and not being snarky, so I won the Thursday honors.
You won for this comment today:
Don't. Ever. Call. Me. A Democrat.
What's more, I'm not entirely convinced FDR ever entertained the idea of a guaranteed income--he was no Socialist. Even if he were, I'm not.
trifecta |
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08.20.05 - 11:09 am | #
OC's creepy, but there are worse places to live.
Atrios -- 11:08 am
at least you're never far from the beach, and--apart from parking--it's still free...
surfin surfari...wooohooo!
WoodyGuthriesGuitar |
08.20.05 - 11:09 am | #
In politics, civil discourse is flirting, ad hominem and insults are heavy petting, dirty tricks smears and mudslinging is missionary and head bashing with bats is just rough sex.
What do you call it when you have a drunk-as-a-wombat buck-naked Liddy Dole flat on her face, a gerbil up her ass, and her auxiliary nipple covered in SAE 10-30 motor oil?
bebe rebozo |
08.20.05 - 11:10 am | #
Heh. Humble to a fargin' fault, aint she?
Doozer |
08.20.05 - 11:10 am | #
pie - really, no shit.
I don't want to see Gorelick (or anyone else) smeared, but by serving on the Commission, she contributed to the feeling many of us have now that we were deprived of the whole story.
Really, Ann? How would Gorelick's mere presence on the committee "contribute to the feeling many of us have now that we were deprived of the whole story"?
Did Gorelick have dictatorial powers over the committee? Was she the final arbiter of which witnesses to call, what questions to ask, and what to include in the final report? Was she even one of the committee chairs?
I, along with you, share that feeling many of us have. However, that feeling was generated in me not by a sole committee member who did not signify a quorum and furthermore did not chair the committee, but by a series of events and facts, such as: the administration's year-long foot-dragging in even recognizing that an investigation was in order. The smear campaigns against any and all who made the slightest suggestion that (DUH!) mistakes were made. The president's refusal to meet with the committee without Mr. Cheney at his side. And last but not least, the insertion in the end-notes of non-factual, politically-motivated assertions that benefit only the administration and the Republican Party.
All of those things gave me pause, Ann. The fact that Jamie Gorelick served on the committee with no more power than any other committee member, and with considerably less than some, would for any reasonable person rank far, far down the list of things that "contributed to the feeling many of us now have that we were deprived of the whole story." In fact, the reasonable people among us were raising these concerns at the time, rather than trying to go back now and re-write the historical record in an attempt at further smearing.
Jennifer |
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08.20.05 - 11:11 am | #
What do you call it when you have a drunk-as-a-wombat buck-naked Liddy Dole
flat on her face, a gerbil up her ass, and her auxiliary nipple covered in SAE
10-30 motor oil?
bebe rebozo | Email | 08.20.05 - 11:10 am | #
Good times?
steve simels |
08.20.05 - 11:11 am | #
What do you call it when you have a drunk-as-a-wombat buck-naked Liddy Dole flat on her face, a gerbil up her ass, and her auxiliary nipple covered in SAE 10-30 motor oil?
bebe rebozo | Email | 08.20.05 - 11:10 am
the GOPuke Congressional caucus luncheon buffet?
WoodyGuthriesGuitar |
08.20.05 - 11:12 am | #
Oh, I found robdouth. His concern about my party affiliation is touching.
NTodd |
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08.20.05 - 11:12 am | #
I used to go to school in "the OC", the poor part. The demographics are changing. Bob Dornan thought he was king for life. Much of the OC is becoming heavily latino/latina. There are still some heavy GOP white enclaves, but they are being overwhelmed.
trifecta |
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08.20.05 - 11:12 am | #
As I said, Jennifer, the guilty are standing right in front of her but, for some odd reason, she can't see them.
Ann obviously never read Franken's little tome, nor does she seem to care about the title of the Aug. 6th PDB.
Nor does she seem to care who the prez was on 9/11/01.
pie |
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08.20.05 - 11:15 am | #
What do you call it when you have a drunk-as-a-wombat buck-naked Liddy Dole flat on her face, a gerbil up her ass, and her auxiliary nipple covered in SAE 10-30 motor oil?
A typical Saturday night.
Toonscribe |
08.20.05 - 11:16 am | #
Southern California in general is another planet. It has it's own culture. I like cities but in a way SC is like one huge urban area with no actual cities, in the sense that there is no central urban core.
Another Bruce |
08.20.05 - 11:16 am | #
What is so silly about Ms. Althouse' protestations is that the following quote from her post:
"And this is the same commission that included one Jamie Gorelick, a deputy attorney general in the Clinton Justice Department. She's also architect of the policy that established a wall between intel and law enforcement, making "connecting the dots" before 9-11 a virtual impossibility"
is simply not true. Read the memo.
How someone concerned with the facts unknown can be so unconcerned with the facts known is laughable.
And her indignation with the "a woman named" business" is charming, considering the "...one Jaime Gorelick..." phrase, a poetic turn dripping with sarcasm and inuendo.
I just refuse to even attempt to wade through this drivel when it's so unfocused and incoherent. Maybe she has a point, but I read about two paragraphs and then remembered I'm mortal and only have a finite amount of time on this planet.
Virginia |
08.20.05 - 11:18 am | #
"A goddess named Echidne". Sounds all right to me. "A woman named Ann Althouse" would be derogatory only if being a woman is derogatory. Which it isn't.
Echidne of the snakes |
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08.20.05 - 11:19 am | #
Because chicken shit 'wingers like Althouse don't like anonymous commenters I am posting this here:
"A shorter Atrios... Wait! You can't get any shorter. I mean: Thanks to Atrios for providing an instant example of what I'm saying about lefty blogs. Sigh."
I think that Atrios is trying to poiont out that you don't address any of the FACTS TP used to debunk your factually challenged opinion on the impact of the Gorelick Memo on the Able Danger project. You chose instead to whine and claim a deep interest in facts, but don't seem inclined to provide any of your own.
You also seem to imply that you do not believe TP's citation of facts, yet do nothing except wish you could read a substantial analysis of the role off government lawyers in stopping the flow of information about the 9/11 plot. If your implication is that TP is soemhow BIASING the facts, then provide soem of your own.
Finally, the smokescreen you through up with your accusation that TP was sexist in idnetifying you as a woman is just ridiculous. YOu are a woman, no? Are you ashamed to be identified as such? Is acknowledging the gender of a writer in a completely neutral way now diasallowed under some new, bizare, right-wing reverse political correctness?
The overall tone of your response is whiny, inplies TP is lying, and obfuscatory. I think that Atrios went easy on you. He could have offered the alternative shorter Anne Althouse: "Whaaa!"
jri |
08.20.05 - 11:19 am | #
What do you call it when you have a drunk-as-a-wombat buck-naked Liddy Dole flat on her face, a gerbil up her ass, and her auxiliary nipple covered in SAE 10-30 motor oil?
bebe rebozo
Bob Dole's poker nite with the boys.
Ann Outhouse |
08.20.05 - 11:19 am | #
As ever, yer wingnut bloggers don't let the facts get in the way of a good smear.
pseudonymous in nc |
08.20.05 - 11:19 am | #
Southern California in general is another planet. It has it's own culture. I like
cities but in a way SC is like one huge urban area with no actual cities, in the
sense that there is no central urban core.
Another Bruce | 08.20.05 - 11:16 am | #
Some sci-fi writer (I forget who)
had the theory that Los Angeles
was a living organism relentlessly
growing eastward.
Sounds right to me.....
steve simels |
08.20.05 - 11:20 am | #
And I see I'm in fine company as Atrios and I are listed as Useful Idiots! Well, I guess I'd better blog about this so Robby can get some hits...
NTodd |
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08.20.05 - 11:22 am | #
And I see I'm in fine company as Atrios and I are listed as Useful Idiots! Well, I guess I'd better blog about this so Robby can get some hits...
NTodd |
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08.20.05 - 11:22 am | #
Some sci-fi writer (I forget who)
had the theory that Los Angeles
was a living organism relentlessly
growing eastward.
Frank Zappa?
Ann Outhouse |
08.20.05 - 11:22 am | #
"Facts are stupid things," Ronald Reagan.
Why do you silly lefties always get so tangled up in unimportant minutae. Who cares about the facts, ideology is what's important. Sheesh!
Indy the Indy-pendent Demo-Cat |
08.20.05 - 11:23 am | #
"A goddess named Echidne". Sounds all right to me.
Wrong. "A brilliant goddess named Echidne whom we all adore" I think is what you meant to say.
rorschach |
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08.20.05 - 11:24 am | #
"A goddess named Echidne". Sounds all right to me.
Wrong. "A brilliant goddess named Echidne whom we all adore" I think is what you meant to say.
rorschach |
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08.20.05 - 11:24 am | #
I was just getting ready to ask about you. How did your trip go, and is mom okay?
Email addy for gravatar only |
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08.20.05 - 11:27 am | #
"A woman named Ann Althouse" would be derogatory only if being a woman is derogatory. Which it isn't.
Except maybe to Annie...
Doozer |
08.20.05 - 11:28 am | #
I've said it before, and I'll say
it again:
Let's assume, for the sake of
argument, that the wingers are
right -- Clinton didn't do jack
shit to stup 9/11.
How does that change the fact that
Bush didn't do jack shit to stop
9/11?
steve simels |
08.20.05 - 11:28 am | #
Smooch, Rorschach. You made me all wobbly and happy.
And email addy for gravatar only, thanks for asking. My trip went well. My mom is doing better and we hope that she will be fine. Some results still not known but we hope.
Echidne of the snakes |
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08.20.05 - 11:30 am | #
I don't want to see Gorelick (or anyone else) smeared, but by serving on the Commission, she contributed to the feeling many of us have now that we were deprived of the whole story.
Many of THEM would have felt much better if the commission had consisted of Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, Condi Rice, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and George W. Bush.
jimmiraybob |
08.20.05 - 11:31 am | #
That should have been STOP, not
STUP (as poetic as that may sound).
We regret the error.
steve simels |
08.20.05 - 11:32 am | #
Rorschach. You made me all wobbly and happy.
I only speak the truth.
rorschach |
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08.20.05 - 11:32 am | #
"A woman named Ann Althouse" would be derogatory only if being a woman is derogatory. Which it isn't.
I guess she'd prefer to be described as "a pusillanimous, jiggling sac of bile who can't write worth a shit named Ann Althouse."
NTodd |
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08.20.05 - 11:33 am | #
"A woman named Ann Althouse" would be derogatory only if being a woman is derogatory. Which it isn't.
I guess she'd prefer to be described as "a pusillanimous, jiggling sac of bile who can't write worth a shit named Ann Althouse."
NTodd |
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08.20.05 - 11:33 am | #
Let's assume, for the sake of
argument, that the wingers are
right -- Clinton didn't do jack
shit to stup 9/11.
How does that change the fact that
Bush didn't do jack shit to stop
9/11?
Winger logic: If Clinton had stopped 9/11, then W's masterful inaction wouldn't have been a problem.
Toonscribe |
08.20.05 - 11:33 am | #
Vicki:
How are you, babe?
steve simels |
08.20.05 - 11:34 am | #
We regret the error.
We understood you.
.
PhilosopherKing™ Embigulator |
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08.20.05 - 11:34 am | #
I hate giving assholes hits, but it was worth it for NTodd's comment (the only one, BTW).
Next he'll opine that, of course you lie about being a Democrat, because, well, Democrats lie. QE motherfuckin' D!
Virginia |
08.20.05 - 11:34 am | #
BTW, Ms. Batshit Crazybitch still has a hard-on for that sweet, sweet police brutality:
...terrorists need to get the message that this one mistake isn't going to make life easier for them.
vulgarity is no substitute for wit.
toby's shrivelled penis |
08.20.05 - 11:36 am | #
I guess she'd prefer to be described as "a pusillanimous, jiggling sac of bile who can't write worth a shit named Ann Althouse."
But, But, she's a lawyer who supports the preznit proudly, which makes her edjumicated, and stuff.
.
PhilosopherKing™ Embigulator |
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08.20.05 - 11:36 am | #
I left her a sweet little comment.
Notice how the only posts that have more than one comment (if any) are the ones linked to here?
Ever hear a band called the
Dirtbombs?
steve simels |
08.20.05 - 11:38 am | #
When regular folks get all incoherent like, it comes out "Homina-homina-homina". WEhen a Winger does it, it comes out "Ad Hominem-Hominem". The only defense is a loud offense, hmmm?
Jeeze, it oughtta be their motto, right there under the yellophant, in big block letters; "We Got Nothin".
Doozer |
08.20.05 - 11:39 am | #
I don't want to see Gorelick (or anyone else) smeared, but by serving on the Commission, she contributed to the feeling many of us have now that we were deprived of the whole story.
I tried to post this on her blog -- but being a good wingnut she only allows registered comments. Paranoid bunch, ain't they?
How could one lone woman, like Jamie Gorelick, possibly have kept something as explosive as Able Danger -- about the freakin' Clenis™ administration -- away from a commission controlled by Republicans?
Is there even a trace of reality in that supposition?
flory, Business Manager |
08.20.05 - 12:02 pm | #
How does that change the fact that
Bush didn't do jack shit to stop
9/11?
steve simels
Probably that he was getting a blowjob while he was at it,( unlike Shrub, who is married to the Blowjob Queen of West texas, and a former Fluffer to boot).
Doozer |
08.20.05 - 12:25 pm | #
If you get rid of all the emotional signage, the right wing argument is that:
A terrorist attack during year one of Bush II was enabled by restrictions placed on the national security system by Clinton appointees but not revoked by Bush II during the first eight months of office. Then Bush II and the Republican congress created a commission that covered up the failures of Clinton appointees. The net result
is that Clinton was bad and it's great to be in the hands of Bush II.
I certaintly hope the Camel cigarette in her 5 1/2 inch holder doesn't burn the end of her nose.
Facts, schmacts. That's why God invented cosmetic surgery.
Mme. Mayhem |
08.20.05 - 4:13 pm | #
Wingnuts sure do have thin skin.
It's part of their need to exist in a constant state of victimhood, to help the faith-based community promote its perpetual siege mentality.
Seraphiel |
08.20.05 - 4:35 pm | #
A whole lot of you people are really sick. Part of your sickness is the glee with which you react to being told you're sick.
Just a thought. And, the main problem the country has right now is figuring out how to deal with the likes of you. What it'll take is some major Democrats waking up to realize they've got the moral and functional equivalents of Bull Connor dominating the party and left thinking in general.
I think it's starting to happen, in fact. Take a look at this, and note the attitudes of Andrew Young and Juan Williams.