HULK SMASH!!!
burp!
before the trolls?
bees don't burp, you cheated.
but not the bees
Fuck Bloomberg (thought I'd give it a NYC touch).
greetings atriots.
I got nothin'.
If the counter says *0*, does that mean I'm first?
A fire in the Sapphire mountains to the east of me blew up today. When I stepped out about 4:00PM there was a huge billow of smoke rising like a thunderhead.
perhaps someone should perform a rescue mission from the ugly thread below.
The war comes home.
+++
Today: August 20, 2005 at 12:12:20 PDT
In two shootings by Iraq vets, war stress blamed
By ANGIE WAGNER and DENISE LAVOIE
ASSOCIATED PRESS
One was a skinny 20-year-old discharged from the Army who couldn't shake the piercing rat-a-tat-tat reminders of combat. The other, a decorated Marine family man whose job preparing bodies of U.S. soldiers for burial had caused clammy, restless nights.
Both home from duty in Iraq, they were on opposite ends of the country, but their stories have much in common.
In Las Vegas, Matthew Sepi was on his way to get a beer, but he tucked an assault rifle inside his black trenchcoat just in case. In Lawrence, Mass., Daniel Cotnoir brought out his 12-gauge shotgun. Both pulled the trigger. Now Sepi faces murder and attempted murder charges while Cotnoir is charged with attempted murder.
In the otherwise unrelated cases, family, friends and even law officers are looking to the influence of wartime horrors on the two veterans.
Flashbacks, nightmares, a struggle to reconnect to an old life - these are all signs of post-traumatic stress disorder that many soldiers suffer from. The Army's surgeon general has said 30 percent of U.S. troops surveyed have developed stress-related mental health problems just months after returning home. A New England Journal of Medicine study found almost 1 in 6 soldiers showing symptoms of mental stress.
Sepi and Cotnoir both reportedly sought help. Some question whether the military is doing enough to aid soldiers.
The story is from a link at icasualties.org
Jeez, the guy I had so much trouble with last night is back. I swear, he's a blankety-blank dumb disaster monkey.
He doesn't even know what he's doing.
"The war comes home."
It's one of the bitter harvests of war.
What do you do with all of the veterans?
ARRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHH!!
the war is coming home, and Cindy is just the first of many Cindy's and the anti-war movement can only get stronger.
No More Years.
anybody know who said this? It's attributed to 'unknown' but maybe someone does know who said this:
every facet, every department of your mind is to be programmed by you and unless you assume your rightful responsibility and begin to program your own mind, the world will program it for you.
In a straight up fight, a modern day American infantry company vs. the Mongol hordes, who would win?
Toonscribe
only the beginning i fear. not enough money -cough-cough-bullshit-blow me-cough- left over to actually support the marines and soldiers.
-J.T.
Toonscribe | Email | 08.20.05 - 10:30 pm | #
this is why i've contemplated an MSW. gonna be a lot of fucked up people coming home.
some of them will be cops.
Toonscribe--many of the med professionals I'm acquainted with expected to see this, but not the number or the effect that's facing them now.
Maybe Chimpy's plan is to kill them all--don't have to take care of them when they get home that way.
In the otherwise unrelated cases, family, friends and even law officers are looking to the influence of wartime horrors on the two veterans.
That's what happens when you come back from a "cakewalk" that lasts weeks or months, not years. Fucking incompetents.
renato--John Travolta?
Hehehehe
I'd like to eat dinner but as long as he's here, I'm tied down behind this desk.
That's what happens when you come back from a "cakewalk" that lasts weeks or months, not years. Fucking incompetents.
4 more years!!! 4 more years!!!
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
the war is also coming home via servicemen contaminated by depleted uranium. not ready for that either.
-J.T.
*sniff* *sniff*
No scents of trool dung.
If NTodd links to any blog but his own.......DON'T CLICK!!!!!
Sorry to be OT,but ---
You know how good VERTIGO is?
First time I saw it was the first
time it was broadcast on network
TV -- somewhere between 1969-70 on
ABCs Sunday Night at the Movies.
I saw it on a ten inch black and
white TV, with commercials.
It was hypnotic even under those
conditions.
And the ending destroyed me......
Still does....
Maybe Chimpy's plan is to kill them all--don't have to take care of them when they get home that way.
Sallyh
==
Naw, that would require a plan. w's not capable and it doesn't appear as though any of his people are either. He's happy that he got to start this; he thinks his name is going down on history's honor roll. Somebody else can finish it.
renato, che cosa, il mio amigo?
simels ... Which cool Hitchcock blonde is your fave?
In a straight up fight, a modern day American infantry company vs. the Mongol hordes, who would win?
SWR
How big is a 'horde'?
How much ammo does the infantry company have?
Toonscribe, that number is from the ones that have been surveyed.
I tend to think it is over 60%.
My sentiments exactly, Incog. (the ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH part, not the dinner/desk part)
charley,
we finally got some rain up here. much thunder this week, little rain. until today
Fuck Bloomberg (thought I'd give it a NYC touch).
Too bad the Dems here are an unorganized mess.
Bloomie will be mayor again in a landslide.
simels ... What is this movie on PBS?
sallyh!!
Hi!
How goes the vacation?
Someone was around in the earlier thread wanted advice on whether a statistics book written in the '20s was still valid.
You weren't around.
ciao res
got back from da OC last night, dawg
hoping to get the job i applied for
if not i will probably move there anyway
spending my exciting saturday night working on the walls in my kitchen. Gonna lease out my fabulous house and move to San Clemente.
How big is a 'horde'?
How much ammo does the infantry company have?
flory, Business Manager | Email | 08.20.05 - 10:35 pm | #
The entire Mongol Horde under Ghenghiz Khan vs. an infantry company armed with rifles and light troops carriers (no air support or tanks).
Actually the Mongol Hordes weren't as big as most people thought. They won most of their battles on speed and mobility but we'd be talking about a few hundred Americans armed with M16s vs. about 100,000 horse riding demons.
I mean, can anyone run a war worse than these guys? It's remarkable. And the excuses for enslaving reservists until they're killed or wounded aren't going to last much longer if somebody comes along to take a piece of Cindy's work and run with it. She has a running start, who's keeping the thing going?
Flory!
You may not believe it, but American Airlines had almost on time service for us 
From Reuters,
By Luke Baker and Michael Georgy
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. diplomats have conceded ground to Islamists on the role of religion in Iraq, negotiators said on Saturday as they raced to meet a 48-hour deadline to draft a constitution under intense U.S. pressure.
U.S. diplomats, who have insisted the constitution must enshrine ideals of equal rights and democracy, declined comment.
Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish negotiators all said there was accord on a bigger role for Islamic law than Iraq had before.
But a secular Kurdish politician said Kurds opposed making Islam "the", not "a", main source of law -- changing current wording -- and subjecting all legislation to a religious test.
"We understand the Americans have sided with the Shi'ites," he said. "It's shocking. It doesn't fit American values. They have spent so much blood and money here, only to back the creation of an Islamist state ... I can't believe that's what the Americans really want or what the American people want."
Washington, with 140,000 troops still in Iraq, has insisted Iraqis are free to govern themselves but made clear it will not approve the kind of clerical rule seen in Shi'ite Iran, a state U.S. President George W. Bush describes as "evil".
"the war is also coming home via servicemen contaminated by depleted uranium. not ready for that either."
I've tried to find a definitive study about the effects of DeU. All I found was some papers that appeared to be apologetics and some very tin foil hatty posts.
Does anyone know of any good work in this area?
In a straight up fight, a modern day American infantry company vs. the Mongol hordes, who would win?
SWR, my money's on the Mongol hordes. Read this article and see what you think.
Too bad the Dems here are an unorganized mess.
Bloomie will be mayor again in a landslide.
Not an unorganized mess. They're not contesting it. The real powers in NYC are letting Bloomberg win it.
renato, che cosa, il mio amigo?
LOL!
speak ital-ish much? lol
the war is also coming home via servicemen contaminated by depleted uranium. not ready for that either.
-J.T.
I read something in the Times today that said 50% of returning vets in one state tested positively for depleted uranium, and the other 50% showed positive signs for symptoms of it, but was not verifiable. Oy fucking vey. What about their future children? This shit just goes on and on.
I know this is sacrilege, but I have a dream of remaking "Vertigo," only this time, after Madeline dies, the Jimmy Stewart character meets the Kim Novak doppelganger in his favorite strip club.
Flory--in all likelihood, most of the content in the stats book wouldn't be invalid, but there are instances where further exploration has, while not utterly negated certain theories, very much elaborated and expanded upon them. some of the differences are subtle but important.
If the counter says *0*, does that mean I'm first?
No, because HaloScan counts as well as the trolls do...
"a few hundred Americans armed with M16s vs. about 100,000 horse riding demons"
Without heavy machine guns, tanks or air support, on the American company side, my vote is for the horde.
simels ... Which cool Hitchcock blonde is your fave?
res ipsa loquitur | 08.20.05 - 10:35 pm | #
Wow, that's a good one, babe.
Tie: Eva Marie-Sainte in NORTH BY
NORTHWEST, and Grace Kelly in REAR
WINDOW.
No, I take that back -- Grace Kelly
in REAR WINDOW. If only because
the Jimmy Stewart character is a
fricking idiot for rejecting her
advances.
What's his goddamn problem? She's
GRACE KELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Although the picnic scene with
the chicken breast between Cary
Grant and Grace is pretty hot too.
Doug--the problem is that neither the NIH nor the DOD will fund studies related to DU.
If you deny it, it will leave...
You thank your lucky stars (or whatever) that you escaped this mess, and you offer whatever assistance you can. Now that we are aware that many servicepeople have been injured in hideous ways and would not have survived such wounds in previous wars, are we gonna let Ol' Tonedeaf and Cheney-for-brains deprive them of the medical care they need and were promised? Many of them will need frequent or constant medical intervention for the rest of their shattered lives. Paying for THAT is supporting the troops
Without heavy machine guns, tanks or air support, on the American company side, my vote is for the horde.
Wouldn't the Mongol horsemen think they're dealing with supernatural beings when the Americans open up with their M16s, panic and run?
SWR
no air or any armor?
most rifle companies have mortars, multiple heavy mg's, snipers and mines.
you start popping heads at 200 - 300 meters and your enemy suddenly feels a need to be elsewhere.
i'd have to say the rifle company.
-J.T.
renato, Spero che otteniate il lavoro. Buona fortuna.
steve
the scene with the tree rings is cool, but I always preferred rear window to vertigo, and saboteur to both.
Hitch-fetishism is a very good thing.
Now, another guy is here but he's cool and has it together. I don't think there'll be any problems from him.
Doug--also, the tests for DU are sensitive but not very specific; ergo, you don't know what you really need to see in the current testing method (urinalysis)
"Strangers on a Train"!!
"It's shocking. It doesn't fit American values.
No shit, Sherlock.
Bush caves on Iraq's Constitution...again
Still don't know what disaster monkey's plans are. I don't think he even knows.
Plantsman--a wait of 120 days to get an initial screening at the VA is NOT supporting the troops, but that's the way it's running at this point at the WLAVA.
What's his goddamn problem? She's
GRACE KELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She is gorgeous, no doubt. But Eva-Marie seems less high maintenance. She is so beautiful in "On the Waterfront."
simels ... What is this movie on PBS?
res ipsa loquitur | 08.20.05 - 10:
7 pm | #
Never seen it, but I think it's
an adaptation of that same Grahame
Greene novel that Michael Caine did
recently.....
you start popping heads at 200 - 300 meters and your enemy suddenly feels a need to be elsewhere.
A Mongol horseman could cover 300 meters faster than you could reload clips. And you'd have thousands of them coming at you at full blast. Not all of them are going to be aware of those skulls exploding at 300 yards.
bigvic
very, very small sample. like less than a dozen individuals in the total sample universe.
we'll have to be careful with the numbers as the "latest wave" conservatives will attempt to latch onto any sick handhold they can manufacture.
-J.T.
"neither the NIH nor the DOD will fund studies related to DU."
I became aware, working with industrial hygenicists at one job, that some of them feel the need to back up the company's interests ahead of the employees, regardless of the data collected.
OK, he's back again.
Stay tuned...
"Rear Window" has Thelma Ritter, who is just great.
Once Bush and Congress appropriate funding to establish appropriate programs to help returning soldiers to reintegrate into Anerican society, everything will improve. Just don't hold your breath.
Another great thing about "Vertigo" is how San Francisco is as much a "character" in the movie as anyone else. And so much of the "Vertigo" San Francisco is still recognizable today.
I think the Argosy Book Shop is still around.
Sallyh,
Paras los Gatos
~For a Cat wheech likes to hunt:
1 ea. turkey liver
1 ea. small plate
Cut the liver into gato sized bites* and serve weeth a leetle "juice" on eet.
~For a Cat weeth more refined tastes:
The same, but weeth chicken liver.
~For a cat who has never eaten raw meat:
1 can Friskies&trade Shreds and Gravy cat food.
1 can "Healthy" cat food ~ E.G.N. can heartily rrrecommend Nutro -Brand Natural Choice "complete care" adult food (ground)
place small dollop of healthy food on small plate.
chop small rivuletes into the food in a crisscross pattern.
open shreds and gravy can, pour B>gravy only onto healthy food, and lighlty mix it in a bit.
serve.
* size of bite depends on size of Gato.
*too much liver can geeve jour Gato a Vitimin A overdose, so dont overdo eet.
so.
SWR
mr. claymore doesn't care how fast your pony is.
hell, i was trained to place them to "herd" an enemy force. then you cut loose with the mortars.
-J.T.
simels ..."The Quiet American?"
Doug--same with pharma companies; they don't want anything that would conflict with their sales brochures.
A fire in the Sapphire mountains to the east of me blew up today.
Minnesota's Boundary Waters has had a major fire for a coupla weeks now, right near where my wife's family cabin is.
from my experience, there comes a time when the 'troops' realize that WE are the bad guys.
the war is coming home, and Cindy is just the first of many Cindy's and the anti-war movement can only get stronger.
You've got to be a special kind of nut to lose a child in this disaster and claim your kid died "protecting our freedoms." I expect more and more moms of war dead to speak out. It's the proper thing to do.
About those illegal day laborers: Tancredo has already indicated that he intends to make that a litmus test in the GOP 2008 primaries, so I think we can see immigration as a flash point for the 2006 elections as well.
Diane
Diane:
If you're still around.
Good.
Trying to make immigration an issue killed the Repukes in CA. I don't think it would do much for them in Texas or AZ either.
The Welfare State is impossible. Hayek proved it.
Okay, Hitchcock fans --
Ever see "Young and Innocent"?
It's a warm-up for "North By
Northwest" (same basic plot)
but it ends with the single most
outrageous camera pull-back in
cinema history -- both thematically
and technically.
You have to fricking see it to
believe it.....
You're really an annoying asshole, rorschach. You know that?
Ô¿Ô | 08.20.05 - 7:18 pm | #
I still await your humble apology, Incog.
If it costs 500, that's OK, or 5000, OK, or 50,000, that's OK with me.
-- Retired Gen. Tommy Franks on the loss of American service members in Iraq
¡El Gato Negro
What, no pate of fatted goose?
You're going to get banned from the cat guild.
My favorite scenen in Vertigo is when they're driving (north, I think) through a stand of eucalyptus. It's still there, or was last time I drove througha few years back, between Salinas and San Juan Bautista. I've always pictured that scene every time I've driven it.
OK, I've got the cool guy processed out, no problemo. Still waiting for disaster monkey. I'm sure it'll be something..
Scarboy chickens out of Florida Senate race.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...2001349_pf.html
For me the scenes on board the train break the tie in Eva Marie Saint's favor. Being from a railroad family and all, I mean.
-
The real Argosy Bookshop... and the real Pop!
sallyh:
Are you staying in a Marriott? Their hotels have neither SciFi or Comedy Central.
(Note to all EschaConians.....set your Tivo for SciFi Friday....)
My world for the last year....
El Gato Negro!--thank you for your contributions; they will be included in Cooking Liberally.
What, joo theenk we no include des gatos?
that old house on Eddy Street.
the Castro St Theatre double-feature Hitch festschrift's were simply the best. nice color prints.
and the legion of Honor never goes away.
Flory--Amerisuites. We do have Comedy Central, just no Scifi.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari,
not sure where up here is but lightening took out my satellite. all i have for entertainment is the good folks at eschaton. tho the news is so depressing it's not actually entertaining.
i said before the invasion, going into iraq will change the world as we know it. surely it's true 9/11 did that, but iraq exacerbated the consequences. and i loathe bush for playing right into osama's plan.
Doug, the Iraqi scientist that studied the effects of DU in Iraq from the 1st Gulf War is in Abu Ghraib.
But
here's something to get you started.
I still think you give me a squad, or at least a rifle platoon, and they could hold off the huns, barbarians, mongols, whoever.
Frank Rich:
...this White House no longer has any more control over the insurgency at home than it does over the one in Iraq.
The Welfare State is impossible. Hayek proved it.
K
Selma Hayek is very attractive, but I am not sure that she should be trusted as an authority in matters of political economy.
I still await your humble apology, Incog.
Humble? Apology? Incog?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...etc!
hell, i was trained to place them to "herd" an enemy force. then you cut loose with the mortars.
The Mongols could just captue a village somewhere along the route and use the enslaved villagers to walk through the minefield ahead of them.
BTW, that scene at the base of the Golden Gate Bridge is not optically enhanced or tricked in any way - that's exactly what it looks like when you go down there.
renato, San Clemente? Just don't start walking on the beach wearing wingtips, please?
Also, Hello-Scan is being especially stupid tonight.
from my experience, there comes a time when the 'troops' realize that WE are the bad guys.
gary in fl
==
And that's right about when the drug abuse starts. Shameful to make young kids carry the burden of our lies.
Hey NTodd--right now, instead of being ensconced in the warm sunniness of SoCal, I am in the less warm and muggy environs of So MA.
I'm happy to hear the boy is inside. Is he napping now?
I still think you give me a squad, or at least a rifle platoon, and they could hold off the huns, barbarians, mongols, whoever.
The bankers too?
"Support the troops" is a good example of what Cindy Sheehan calls "patriotic rhetoric." Let's start calling Bush and Company on their "patriotic rhetoric."
mena
I'm that way with Bodega Bay
mena
I'm that way with Bodega Bay
that's exactly what it looks like when you go down there.
Without any people?
The Mongols could just captue a village somewhere along the route and use the enslaved villagers to walk through the minefield ahead of them.
The Chinese used that tactic to good effect in Korea, but mostly their success with human waves relied on the watercooled machine guns we used. I think we have more stopping power now.
SWR:
2 points:
1. If we're assuming the hordes have never been exposed to modern weaponry then the infantry wins -- the firefight would scare the shit out of them. Superstitions and all.
2. If we take superstition off the table then I say it depends on how much ammo a standard infantry load contains.
If its less than say 1000 rounds per troop....the hordes win.
SWR
command detonated. puh-lease.
-J.T.
Whoo Hoo! He's gone.
How do you all manage to stand it - the way things are today? I find myself consumed with rage and worry. You all manage to go about your business with an admirable uplifting attitute, mainly.
I, on the other hand, have veryical cracks in my teeth from having gritted them too much, and I am obsessed with dangerous thoughts re: the BFEE and all who support them.
Some days worse than others, of course.
First!
.
My favorite scenen in Vertigo is when they're driving (north, I think) through a
stand of eucalyptus.
Oh god yes.....just a gorgeous
visual.....
Without any people?
If you go down there early enough - maybe!
You may not believe it, but American Airlines had almost on time service for us
Sallyh
Actually...most of my comments about AA have been snark. I've been very impressed with their on-time performance -- with a few memorable exceptions, not all their fault.
I'm happy to hear the boy is inside. Is he napping now?
No, he's licking his ass right now. One must always clean one's ass after a jaunt to the bog.
The bankers too?
Unless their visors are made of kevlar and they're packing more than fountain pens, I think we could take them.
Ntodd. this fire (the sapphire mountains one) is only one of hundreds or thousands here and in the Rockies, this summer. The Forest Service (forest circus) doesn't even list them individualy, but as "fire complexes" such as the Rock creek complex, which is also merrily roaring to the east of Lake Como.
Here is something else about the fires that I still don't understand but think about during the summer.
When it's cooler, the fires will keep burning till it rains or some of the smoke jumpers put enough fire retardant and water on it. What they don't do in cooler weather is blow up into major fire storms. This happens when the ambient temp gets above 90F.
So, why does 10 to 30 degrees make that much difference. Don't forest fires reach above 1,000 degrees F?
It's a warm-up for "North By
Northwest" (same basic plot)
but it ends with the single most
outrageous camera pull-back in
cinema history -- both thematically
and technically.
The train entering the tunnel in NxNW cracks me up every time.
In Las Vegas, Matthew Sepi was on his way to get a beer, but he tucked an assault rifle inside his black trenchcoat just in case. In Lawrence, Mass., Daniel Cotnoir brought out his 12-gauge shotgun. Both pulled the trigger. Now Sepi faces murder and attempted murder charges while Cotnoir is charged with attempted murder.
I heard one of Randi Rhodes guests tell us that 13 percent of all IRW vets have PTSD.
13 percent!
THats more than 13 thousand troops with a grudge.
WalterNeff--well, first in handsomeness.
BTW, that scene at the base of the Golden Gate Bridge is not optically enhanced
or tricked in any way - that's exactly what it looks like when you go down there.
dave™©® | Email | Homepage | 08.20.05 - 10:50 pm | #
That's amazing......
Mrs. al-J, California is full of these kinds of hypnotic, magical, evocative places. It's too bad the developers rule the country's imagination. It is still such a beautiful place, underneath all that concrete.
Smalfish--that's a very conservative estimate; they're being revised to around 20-25%.
Sallyh, I'm looking for the greatest modern essay or book on statistics. Where the author speaks to their peers and a wider audience. One that discusses broader concepts. No textbooks. Any recommendations?
renato, San Clemente? Just don't start walking on the beach wearing wingtips, please?
...........................
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
flory
if he'd just accept what a standard marine rifle company t.o.e. is, no alterations, the discussion would be over.
-J.T.
The bankers too?
one needs more than a rifle company to hold off the bankers.
Sallyh beat me to it. 13% PTSD sounds low.
Flory--what I liked about AA was that, this being a redeye, they had decent blankies.
Yes, sometimes the details matter
I still await your humble apology, Incog.
Humble? Apology? Incog?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...etc!
NTodd
Yes, I was just playing it for laughs.
"Rear Window" has Thelma Ritter, who is just great.
res ipsa loquitur
I love that saucy *broad.* She steals every scene shes in.
Smalfish--that's a very conservative estimate; they're being revised to around 20-25%
One quater of all vets that have servedd is a number that staggers the mind.
Mommas lock up your babies. Theres gonna be trouble.
Karin
Thanks for the link.
Was hoping for something more chewy, like it was done by pro health studies people. Maybe there is something chewy there, Will look at it in detail in a bit.
I hate Delta. ON a recent trip out of four flight (2 getting there 2 getting back) 2 were cancelled and they did not handle the situation at all well.
why does 10 to 30 degrees make that much difference. Don't forest fires reach above 1,000 degrees F?
As I am wont to do, I'm going to speculate out my ass: it's not the temp relative to the fire itself, but the temp's impact on moisture in the trees and other fuel that can determine how widely the fire can spread.
If its less than say 1000 rounds per troop....the hordes win.
flory, Business Manager | Email | 08.20.05 - 10:52 pm | #
I think a real advantage we'd have is that unlike most conflicts we wouldn't have to abide by the rules of the Geneva Convention.
Since the justification for the Geneva Convention is the possibility that our troops could be tortured by the enemy and we can pretty much assume the hordes would torture our prisoners in any case, we can simply use our more sophisticated methods of torture to find out how much superstitious fear of gunfire would affect the hordes.
simels ... What is this movie on PBS?
res ipsa loquitur
Don't know if anybody answered your question but it's The Quiet American" recently remade with Michael Caine.
thanks for the good wishes, Res.
"THats more than 13 thousand troops with a grudge."
varying degree's. but if only half a percent is going to be violent that's still too many for the system to care for.
i had a cousin who came back from the greater southeast asian war games and for years he took his rage out on cows, not people.
-J.T.
How do you all manage to stand it - the way things are today?
SD:
Martoonis.
I'm on my third. Would you like one?
Belvedere.
Speaking of "Rear Window" - who's the guy playing the composer who lives across the way and what's his big claim to fame?
(Simels, stay out of this!)
mena,
I was back there for a wedding this summer. wine country. sebastapol, occident. then back to the City with my sis from Sacramento. as we drove in, over the bridge, I got that feeling. that point that Dave was talking about, where Madeline goes into the Bay, is one of my favorite spots. where the pacific meets the bay. literally.
or the OC, where condo developers rule, still, the best beaches.
miss it so much. have a conference at USC in oct, and another visit planned for sf in nov.
viva cheap airfares.
I love that saucy *broad.* She steals every scene shes in.
I just saw "She-Devil" on TV, which is a silly movie, but I loved seeing Sylvia Miles in it.
I'm sure it's been mentioned here by now, but:
God bless Frank Rich.
True to form, the attack on Cindy Sheehan surfaced early on Fox News, where she was immediately labeled a "crackpot" by Fred Barnes. The right-wing blogosphere quickly spread tales of her divorce, her angry Republican in-laws, her supposed political flip-flops, her incendiary sloganeering and her association with known ticket-stub-carrying attendees of "Fahrenheit 9/11." Rush Limbaugh went so far as to declare that Ms. Sheehan's "story is nothing more than forged documents - there's nothing about it that's real."
But this time the Swift Boating failed, utterly, and that failure is yet another revealing historical marker in this summer's collapse of political support for the Iraq war.
Most of the cityscape in Vertigo burned to the ground after the earthquake.
John--one of my favorite 'layman' texts is entitled "Damned Lies and Statistics: Untangling Numbers from the Media, Politicians, and Activists" by Joel Best. it's small, cheap, not a textbook, and fun to read. Available at opamp.com and amazon.com
Chimpmunks - Ross Bagdasarian
Question:isn't 'depleted uranium' merely a euphemism for 'still-ionizing radioactive waste'?
_And, San Francisco's Filbert Stairs(Steps) from 'Vertigo' remain one of the most beautiful settings in the human experience. In fall, with thick perfume wafting from the Angel's Trumpets (Brugmansia sp.) itis an incomparable sight and scent to behold.
And yes, this IS a reminder of how vapid and inconsequential things get here.
right or wrong, 'support the troops'.
this is the big lie we've swallowed.
Mrs. al-J, California is full of these kinds of hypnotic, magical, evocative places. It's too bad the developers rule the country's imagination. It is still such a beautiful place, underneath all that concrete.
mena
The further north you go, the more unspoiled it gets. Driving back to Oakland from Portland was magical.
John--another one, but quite expensive ($50-$60 range) is "Statistics: Concepts and Controversies" by David Moore. It's a thicker and more technical read, but a quality volume.
"Ahhhh, one company of good ol Americans'll take out those horse-riding mongoloids in short order- we can save a few $ and not send the second company or the armor.
Attilla? Sheyit... sounds like someone who's got flowers on the brain."
yer Pentagon & White House at work planning victory over the hordes
Personally I think the mongol hordes would study our army, steal our arms, and and kick the crap out of it.
FYI, here's some info on wildfires from HowStuffWorks.
That's amazing...
The streets he's driving through following Madeline look pretty much the same. Not too long after its original re-release in the mid-80s, me and a couple of friends went driving around North Beach looking for Scotty's apartment. We found it!
testing ....
A Mongol horseman could cover 300 meters faster than you could reload clips. And you'd have thousands of them coming at you at full blast. Not all of them are going to be aware of those skulls exploding at 300 yards.
I think that's why Cheney's talking about nuking Iran.
He figures what the hell, it worked with Japan.
That's also why DARPA's developing microwave guns and War of the Worlds type plasma weapons.
There is no limit to the depths these so-called people are willing to sink in their war.
Sallyh,you have mail...hope your having a relaxing time, I plan to on the morrow,what a stressful week and all the neurological strokes sheesh! ....did you happen to see this?
Money > Work
Work until you drop: how the long-hours culture is killing us
With the longest working week in Europe, experts say Britain's health and productivity will decline unless something is done about it
Audrey Gillan
Saturday August 20, 2005
The Guardian
In Japan they call it karoshi and in China it is guolaosi. As yet there is no word in English for working yourself to death, but as more and more people put in longer hours and suffer more stress there may soon be.
This week, an American survey concluded that long working hours increased an individual's chances of illness and injury. It noted that for those doing 12 hours a day, there was a 37% increase in risk compared to those working fewer hours.
Ronald Reagan was wrong, it seems, when he said: "Hard work never killed anyone." Death from overwork is not a new phenomenon in Britain but it is largely unremarked upon.
In 2003, Sid Watkins, a paediatrician who was exhausted after working up to 100 hours a week, died after injecting himself with anaesthetic in an attempt to cope with his workload. The coroner at Dr Watkins' inquest described the hours he had to work as "crazy".
In 1994, the parents of Alan Massie, a junior doctor who collapsed and died after working an 86-hour week at a Cheshire hospital, claimed that their 27-year-old son was worked to death. He had worked seven days and three nights, including two unbroken periods of 27 hours and one of 24 hours.
In the same year, British Airways pilot David Robertson, 52, died while flying. Work stress and long working hours were implicated.
The American study, published in the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, points out that overtime and extended work schedules are associated with an increased risk of hypertension, cardiovascular disease, fatigue, stress, depression, musculoskeletal disorders, chronic infections, diabetes and other general health complaints. In Japan, most karoshi victims succumb to brain aneurisms, strokes and heart attack.
Professor Cary Cooper, a stress expert at Lancaster University Management School, says the risk is not just confined to those who work more than 60 hours but hits those that put in more than 45.
"If you work consistently long hours, over 45 a week every week, it will damage your health, physically and psychologically. In the UK we have the second-longest working hours in the developed world, just behind the States and we now have longer hours than Japan," he says.
Prof Cooper advocates "working smarter", not longer, and introducing flexibility into the workplace.
He acknowledges that the Department of Trade and Industry is trying to encourage business to adopt such practices, but it is a slow process.
Derek Simpson, the general secretary of Amicus, the manufacturing, technical and skilled persons' union, agrees with Prof Cooper. "UK employees work the longest hours in Europe, yet all the evidence shows that long working hours are bad for our health, equality, our families and for society. People's jobs are by far the biggest single cause of stress, and stress-related illness is the silent killer in our workplaces, impacting on workers' physical and mental health.
"As well as being bad for individuals, our long-hours culture is also bad for business because lower working hours relate directly to higher productivity. It is no coincidence that the UK has the least-regulated economy in Europe and is the least productive in the industrialised world.
"Yet while other European governments are aiming to reduce weekly working hours below the working-time directive limit of 48 hours, our government is still desperately trying to keep the opt-out."
In a survey, Amicus found that almost one in five workers was put off sex because of long hours. The union found a third of people said they didn't have enough time to spend with partners or children. Community work, socialising, personal fitness and hobbies all lost out to excessive working hours.
Earlier this month, the law firm Peninsula published a survey of 1,800 employers. It found that four out of five of them worked more than 60 hours a week and revealed that seven out of 10 got only four hours' sleep a night.
In her recent book Willing Slaves: How the Overwork Culture is Ruling Our Lives, the Guardian writer Madeleine Bunting points out that Britain's full-time workers put in the longest hours in Europe at 43.6 a week compared with the EU average of 40.3. The number of people working over 48 hours has more than doubled since 1998, from 10% to 26%. And one in six of all workers is doing more than 60 hours.
Roger Vincent, a spokesman for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, says that overwork inevitably leads to lapses in concentration and therefore accidents.
"Between a third and a quarter of all road accidents are in some way work-related. That means that somewhere between 800 and 1,000 deaths each year on Britain's roads are to do with somebody driving or being on the road as a result of their jobs."
In 1987, the Japanese ministry of labour acknowledged that it had a problem with death from overwork and began to publish statistics on karoshi. In 2001, the numbers reached a record level with 143 workers dying. Now, death-by-overwork lawsuits are common, with the victims' families demanding compensation payments. In 2002-03, 160 out of 819 claimants received compensation.
The health and safety magazine Hazards has continually warned that karoshi does exist in the UK. It said: "In July 2003 the government proposed abolishing the mandatory retirement of 65 years. The old notion that "we work to live, not live to work" could soon be superseded by "we work until we drop".
Nose to the grindstone in Europe's sweatshop
· The UK's long-hours culture means that on average many of us are now working a 43.6-hour week. Our counterparts in the rest of Europe do 40.3 hours
· The last seven years have seen a significant rise in the number of employees working in excess of 48 hours a week, rising from 10% in the late 90s to 26% now
· Women in the workforce have also experienced changes to their work pattern. Since 1992 there has been a leap of 52% in the number of women expected to do 48 hours a week
· The number of people working a long week has also jumped. Estimates from 2000 -2002 suggest that those clocking up 60 hours a week have increased by a third, which equates to one sixth of the UK labour force.
· We may be working more hours but many of us waste the opportunity to take time off. Recent surveys estimate that only 44% of workers use up their full entitlement to annual leave. Reasons cited for not taking paid holiday often include a heavy workload or fear of upsetting the boss
· The right to take a full hour for lunch seems at odds with our modern workplaces, with 65% of UK workers not using the full 60 minutes.The average time for a break is now 27 minutes, and more of us remain at our workstation
· Source: Willing Slaves: How the Overwork Culture is Ruling Our Lives, by Madeleine Bunting
Chimpmunks - Ross Bagdasarian
DING DING DING DING DING!
He was a good Fresno boy, too... just like Dick Contino!
I'm sure it's been mentioned here by now, but:
I loves me some Frank Rich.
Flory--what I liked about AA was that, this being a redeye, they had decent blankies.
Personally -- I like the extra legroom (they took out a couple rows of seats) and the headrests with the foldup ends so your head is supported, even without a pillow. Which they don't provide anymore.
flory, martoonie, yes, please.
I had one not long ago that was made w/vodka, chambord, and lime. Tasty.
But, I like vodka or gin. Matters not.
It works for a while, just haven't been able to achieve the permanent glaze I need.
I can't stand even the thought of GWB, never mind his voice (which makes me retch), or film or pix of him, which raise my blood pressure instantly to way too high.
I know I need to find a way not to react like that. Just haven't come up w/it yet.
BTW, TCM has been running Jimmy Stewart movies all day - in each one I've seen, he's always had a line asking if someone "want(s) a cup of coffee"...
My family's nickname for me is BK.
.
Renato,
every facet, every department of your mind is to be programmed by you and unless you assume your rightful responsibility and begin to program your own mind, the world will program it for you.
A band called Cirrus, off the album Boomerang is all I know
Attilla? Sheyit... sounds like someone who's got flowers on the brain."
yer Pentagon & White House at work planning victory over the hordes
There are entire spice trails in Asia paved with the bones of arrogant princes and their subjects who underestimated the hordes.
viva cheap airfares.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafar
Not for much longer. JetA comes from the same $67 barrel of oil my unleaded comes from...
Buckeye if you're testing gravatar use all lower-case in your e-mail addy.
4Legs--make sure you pet Maxx the Lion Kitty 4 me.
Mena and Sittenpretty and Flory--big hugs!
John--happy reading!
Everyone else--have a wonderful evening.
Thanks Sallyh, I'm not talking about a layman text. Maybe an essay or a special lecture that a well known authority would give to their peers. Berkeley has the Sather Classical Lectures on the ancient world. These are not layman texts. They are special lectures where a scholar discusses the foundations of the discipline or a new idea.
"Whaddaya mean this is beginning to resemble Custer's Expedition? Whatthehell?
....the Bomb... that's it..."
yer Pentagon & White House contingency plan upon learning "hordes" means "a whole lot of crazy fuckers that wanna kill so's *they* don't get killed"
later, 'bats
we can simply use our more sophisticated methods of torture to find out how much superstitious fear of gunfire would affect the hordes.
SWR
Who needs torture? They'd shit their pants at the demons attacking and run screaming the other way.
dave™©®:
He was in the original Broadway cast
production of Wm Saroyan's "The
Time of Our Lives."
BTW -- did I ever send you my
two favorite David Seville (Ross
Bagdasarian) b-sides?
From the first two Chipmunk singles?
The first is a hilarious jazz
instrumental called "Almost Good."
The follow-up which is not as
cool is called "Mediocre."
I'm not making this up......
Sarah D. - Iced tea heavily spiked with Limoncello works for me.
the tree ring scene.
ghaaaaaaa...
Coit Tower Trivia: built as a monument to the firefighters who lost their lives fighting the fireas spawned by the 1906 quake.
four leggers,
I heart Frank Rich too. It's the highlight of my Sunday paper reading. That's why I never read it before it land on my doorstep. I wish the stinking Times had more of his Arts section columns on the media, the pricks.
Who needs torture? They'd shit their pants at the demons attacking and run screaming the other way.
Didn't the Turks and Chinese actually use gunpowder against the hordes with little effect on their moral?
Testing, again, because Helloscam sucks.
Have a great time Sallyh! See you soon!
"I still want a huuuuullla hoooooop...."
A band called Cirrus, off the album Boomerang is all I know
The Crystal Method remixed a track on Community Service called, "Cake Hole"... is that by Cirrus originally?
In any case they both got it from somewhere else. I'm wondering who originally thought it up or if it's truly unattributed...
A Mongol horseman could cover 300 meters faster than you could reload clips. And you'd have thousands of them coming at you at full blast. Not all of them are going to be aware of those skulls exploding at 300 yards.
This means they are on an open flat plain, or steppes. Abrams and Bradleys are the new Mongol Horsemen. The older version wouldn't stand a chance.
Coit Tower Trivia: built as a monument to the firefighters who lost their lives fighting the fireas spawned by the 1906 quake.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
==
Wasn't it built by a firefighter's widow?
Don't know, Renato. shhhhh, I googled it. 
Question:isn't 'depleted uranium' merely a euphemism for 'still-ionizing radioactive waste'?
-plantsman
as i understand it, depleted uranium isn't very radioactive. that's the good news. the bad news is that it is extremely toxic.
Stllar bar anyone?
Say goodby to this kind of news as creationism takes stronger hold of our free thoughts.
On a more hopeful note, the wingnut wife actually made refrence to stars that were more than 6000 years , without snikering at all.
There may yet be hope.
Didn't the Turks and Chinese actually use gunpowder against the hordes with little effect on their moral?
Well, there's gunpowder, then there's smokeless powder in a 7.62mm full metal jacket projectile coming at you dozens of rounds per second...
dave™©®:
Is that mission real?
Is it still there?
Well, that's better! Thanks HoneyBear. Helloscam suddenly decided to delete either my name or my email addy, but not both at the same time. I curse thee to Hades, Helloscam!
Thank you, continue as you were.
And, San Francisco's Filbert Stairs(Steps) from 'Vertigo' remain one of the most beautiful settings in the human experience. In fall, with thick perfume wafting from the Angel's Trumpets (Brugmansia sp.) itis an incomparable sight and scent to behold.
I'm going there just next weekend! I shall check it out.
SD:
One martooni, coming up.
I'm assuming dry -- which in my world means the vermouth and vodka occupied the same zipcode at some point in time.
It's not a solution -- but its a damn fine stopgap measure.
sallyh:
Interested?
"Red Eye" is good fun. Cillian Murphy (from "28 Days Later") does evil really, really well.
just an FYI.
Whipping any army's ass in the desert... piece of cake. Occupying that large of a land mass and trying to "democratize" at gunpoint...
No one in their right mind ever thought this was going to get pulled off...
Kim Novak is a real headcase. She has no clue why she's disturbed?
Coit Tower Trivia: built as a monument to the firefighters who lost their lives fighting the fireas spawned by the 1906 quake.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari
Also, great social realist murals (though there is an odd anti-semitic aspect to them.)
Oh god, the most incredibly painful
scene....
"Not funny, Midge...."
it's too bad Hitch didn't have a thing for the Midge's of the world, rather than the Madeline's.
which is why I prefer Saboteur and the 39 Steps, better women protagonists coupled with the handcuffed males.
viva cheap airfares.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafar
Word. I have been really lucky that I've gotten my next 3 airline tickets before the prices go up up up. Now my only worry is that the airlines I'm going to be flying with don't go on strike or go bankrupt.
Cillian Murphy (from "28 Days Later") does evil really, really well.
No suprise. He did a good job in Batman Begins.
Good to hear Red Eye is fun! I would expect nothing less from Wes if he's on top of his game...
what was the great Hitch movie with widow killer Joseph Cotten. it was Hitches fave and mine too?..hugs back Sall!!!
watertiger - worth going to see in a theater? I thought about it today - it looks kinda fun, but I don't like fake gore ( or real gore, for that matter).
did anyone hear leno's line last night
about oil companies easing the pain at
the pump, their not lowering prices, but
the are putting vaseline on the nozzles.
He did a good job in Batman Begins.
His eyes are so blue they're eerie. And what was especially fun was that the crowd was so into it. It was like being on a roller coaster with a whole bunch of people.
did anyone hear leno's line last night
about oil companies easing the pain at
the pump, their not lowering prices, but
the are putting vaseline on the nozzles
Not fucking funny.
Whipping any army's ass in the desert... piece of cake.
Not so sure TE Lawrence would agree!
mena,
very little gore - there's an "incident" that makes you exceedingly uncomfortable, but that's the beauty of the film. Almost no blood at all.
Just tension.
YoY
he already took away our armor, heavy mg's and close air support.
still, mines and mortars backed up by medium squad sized mg's (the saw for example) would make any pony born assault not militarily worthwhile. the khan was not a fool.
-J.T.
I love The 39 Steps. Robert Donat is a doll.
Hypocrites and Liars
by CindySheehan
Sat Aug 20th, 2005 at 08:55:38 PDT"
"...Now I am being vilified and dragged through the mud by the righties and so-called "fair and balanced" main stream media who are afraid of the truth and can't face someone who tells it by telling any truth of their own. Now they have to twist, distort, lie, and scrutinize anything I have ever said when they never scrutinize anything that George Bush said or is saying. Instead of asking George or Scotty McClellan if he will meet with me, why aren't they asking the questions they should have been asking all along: "Why are our young people fighting, dying, and killing in Iraq? What is this noble cause you are sending our young people to Iraq for? What do you hope to accomplish there? Why did you tell us there were WMD's and ties to Al Qaeda when you knew there weren't? Why did you lie to us? Why did you lie to the American people? Why did you lie to the world? Why are our nation's children still in harm's way and dying everyday when we all know you lied? Why do you continually say we have to `complete the mission' when you know damn well you have no idea what that mission is and you can change it at will like you change your cowboy shirts?..."
from Cindy Sheehan's Diary at DKos
Even in her incredible grief, her eloquence speaks volumes. Perhaps it is time to paste the highlights of her entry today onto all the MSM sites I can access.
Iced tea heavily spiked with Limoncello works for me.
mena
Apparently, there is booze out there I haven't heard of. Who'd of thunk?
Didn't the Turks and Chinese actually use gunpowder against the hordes with little effect on their moral?
SWR
Dunno. But gunpowder -- big noise, some flash -- versus raking firepower mowing them down?
They shit their pants.
Remember -- in their world, you didn't die unless you were within sword, maybe arrow, distance of the enemy.
Mass casualties from a couple thousand yards away?? -- demons....
I spent 75 fracking dollars on gas this afternoon. AND DID"NT EVEN GET A FULL TANK!
ARRRRRGGGG!
Has there ever been a commercially
successful director whose work was
as personally and intimately revealing
as Hitchcock?
Don't think so....
Dude was an artist......
But this time the Swift Boating failed, utterly, and that failure is yet another revealing historical marker in this summer's collapse of political support for the Iraq war.
i'm no Frank Rich, but i said this the other day. swift boating a gold star mother is not like swift boating kerry.
for one thing she's not running for anything. and she is extremely verbal and well spoken. she's nothing to lose, she's already lost the most she could ever lose. so shove that up your bike riding ass chimpy, and all your slavish sycophants as well.
Well, there's gunpowder, then there's smokeless powder in a 7.62mm full metal jacket projectile coming at you dozens of rounds per second...
As the guy upthread said, landmines, channeling to plotted target mortar ref points and a few mini guns... hordes of horsemen would be dog food in short order.
bigvic
thw new town 'm working in, one can't get the NY Times. anywhere. I've looked.
well, the Internet, but the Guttenberg version. talk about backwoods.
what was especially fun was that the crowd was so into it. It was like being on a roller coaster with a whole bunch of people.
Reminds me of the premiere of Army of Darkness in Manhattan. What a fucking fun ride!
Bummer is that PBS is running
Olivier's HAMLET at the same
time.
Another great movie.....
Iced tea heavily spiked with Limoncello works for me.
mena
I ADORE limoncello!
And I never heard of spiking tea with it. That sounds almost...
sacrilicious!
"Red Eye" is good fun. Cillian Murphy (from "28 Days Later") does evil really, really well.
Good to know.
I've gotten very, very cynical about movie previews these days. They can make the worst stinker look interesting.
I likes me some scary movies though.
Oh, and somebody furry sends some purrrrrrrs your way.
flory, delicious and perfect. I am in complete agreement re: the vermouth.
And...in the Kim Novak vein, I loved Bell, Book, and Candle, me.
sittenpretty-Shadow of a Doubt, with Teresa Wright, a brunette!
what was the great Hitch movie with widow killer Joseph Cotten. it was Hitches fave and mine too?..hugs back Sall!!!
sittenpretty
Shadow Of A Doubt.
Great movie.
i'm no Frank Rich, but i said this the other day. swift boating a gold star mother is not like swift boating kerry.
Should never have swiftboated Kerry, somebody dropped the ball. We all saw what they did to McCain and Max Cleland, one of their own.
Oooooooooouuuulll!
(I think that's how you spell it.)
I spent 75 fracking dollars on gas this afternoon. AND DID"NT EVEN GET A FULL TANK!
That's way more than I spend in a month.
Even at these inflated prices.
I love The 39 Steps. Robert Donat is a doll.
Karin | Email | 08.20.05 - 11:18 pm | #
bigvic - go get you a big bottle. Just like a liquid lemondrop.
Has there ever been a commercially
successful director whose work was
as personally and intimately revealing
as Hitchcock?
Don't think so....
You think because, even thought he apparently was exploring a lot of his own neuroses, the movies were never about him?
Karin I owe you a coke.
And a drink.
I spent 75 fracking dollars on gas this afternoon. AND DID"NT EVEN GET A FULL TANK!
What, you drive an H2?
I love The 39 Steps. Robert Donat is a doll.
Karin | Email | 08.20.05 - 11:18 pm | #
steve simels | Email | 08.20.05 - 11:22 pm | #
What I meant was -- Madeleine
Carrol.
Hubba hubba!
I spent 75 fracking dollars on gas this afternoon. AND DID"NT EVEN GET A FULL TANK!
OH....ouch!
One martooni for smalfish, comin' up.
Reminds me of the premiere of Army of Darkness in Manhattan.
Hah! Murphy's character is named "Jackson", and at one point in the film, when he does something villainous, somebody in the audience shouted "JACKASS!"
And the crowd laughed - one of those tension breaking kind of laughs.
That's way more than I spend in a month.
Even at these inflated prices.
I spent 60 on Monday.
I gotta raise my prices now. Theres just no way around it. I had to charge an old freind more today, because he lives so far away.
FUCK!
My bad, Renato... I just rechecked/
It was this
Evil 9 - Cake Hole (Chrystal Method remix).
SWR
you might wish to recall what happens to pre-napoleonic armies when the great leader bites down.
why you have snipers.
-J.T.
sacrilicious!
renato
==
My word of the week(end)!
"Every facet, every department of your mind is to be programmed by you, and unless you assume your rightful responsibility, and begin to program your own mind, the world will program it for you."
4leggers:
I LOVE that shot of Maxx.
He looks so completely bored with the whole paparazzi thingy.....
You think because, even thought he apparently was exploring a lot of his own neuroses, the movies were never about him?
How can that be? He was in each one!
sorry small phish its the vertigo
What, you drive an H2?
I wish. Err, no I don't.
No I drive a very fuel inefficent one ton van with a fucking monster motor. Have to have it. Otherwise I run into major repairs too often.
He looks so completely bored with the whole paparazzi thingy.....
Nahh, he was just sleepy.
He always sleeps that way, with his chin propped on something. And the one leg extended.
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO EXPLORE YOUR OWN NEUROSES.
4Legs - you are so owned.
Our gas has gone up in the past week from around 2.3-something to 2.50-something. I have a feeling some of you in other states are a lot worse off. I did fill up at 2.37 and paid around $42, IIRC.
4Legs - you are so owned.
Aren't all cat owners?
I am in complete agreement re: the vermouth.
Glad you like it.
I went and bought the 1.75 liter bottle yesterday -- so if you want another, just holler.
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO EXPLORE YOUR OWN NEUROSES.
WHy not? If you can be extremely honest with yourself, you most certainly can.
oh, 4LG - what a kitty!!!
mena, the "liquiod lemondrop" sounds like a lovely summer drink.
Perhaps if we gave W a high colonic with this concoction, he'd behave better. But, I doubt it.
That's way more than I spend in a month.
Even at these inflated prices.
I spent 60 on Monday.
I gotta raise my prices now. Theres just no way around it. I had to charge an old freind more today, because he lives so far away.
FUCK!
Ah, inflation at the microeconomic level. Thank you, George Bush, you goddamned fucktard.
I want to thank you all for your support, please visit this site to understand what is really happening to this country.
I am so keeping my little 4 cyclinder accura.
I laugh, LAUGH!!! at SUV owners.
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO EXPLORE YOUR OWN NEUROSES.
Two words: Woody Allen.
Okay -- I'm taking the rest of
VERTIGO off to actually watch it.
Love you all, and see you when its
over.
Back, and cackling with glee at having turned the Flying Spaghetti Monster into a gravatar, and eagerly awaiting approval. hee hee...
Ah, inflation at the microeconomic level.
Soon to be joined by inflation at the macroeconomic level.
On a more hopeful note, the wingnut wife actually made refrence to stars that were more than 6000 years , without snikering at all.
Try her out on this site. These folks are Nazarenes who dig Real Science. File under Odd But Strange...
"Why did you lie to us? Why did you lie to the American people? Why did you lie to the world? Why are our nation's children still in harm's way and dying everyday when we all know you lied? Why do you continually say we have to `complete the mission' when you know damn well you have no idea what that mission is and you can change it at will like you change your cowboy shirts?..."
i'm really liking this young lady.
Evening Moonbats, I just bought an Accord with a four cylinder to supplant the van and all. . .
How can that be? He was in each one!
NTodd
Some people have trouble imagining a world that isn't all about them....
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO EXPLORE YOUR OWN NEUROSES.
v
==
Oh. Okay.
Aren't all cat owners?
four legs good
Of course. Just greeting a fellow member of the club.
Two words: Woody Allen.
Comedian.
I want to thank you all for your support, please visit this site to understand what is really happening to this country.
You fucking racist pig. Take your arayan nation elsewhere. You are the sleeze of the earth.
That's creepy.
Someone just tried my front door knob.
Rgr that, JT... no armor, no CAS
My cat likes to use my arm as a pillow. And talking about San Francisco, in the movie KISS ME DEADLY, isn't part of it actually shot in San Franscisco? There is one scene where the hero is breaking Caruso records to make a man talk and there are trollies going by the window.
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO EXPLORE YOUR OWN NEUROSES.
Then what the fuck am I doing spending all this money on my shrink?!
Evening Moonbats, I just bought an Accord with a four cylinder to supplant the van and all. .
Good move.
oh oh, I'm tripping.
the reds, disembodied heads.
falling..............
I have a feeling some of you in other states are a lot worse off.
Karin:
The Shell station down the street -- admittedly not the cheapest gas around, but I'm lazy -- $2.87 for regular. Premium is $3.07.
I want to thank you all for your support, please visit this site to understand what is really happening to this country.
Cindy Sheehan | Homepage | 08.20.05 - 11:29 pm | #
I hate these people. No fooling. Like I said earlier: civility? Don't fuckin' think so.
SD
okay, flory...may I have a double? Put it on my tab...? I'm losing my temper again.....
I have a 2 hour set by Evil 9.
Never thought anybody else had heard of them.
Lillie Coit, an "eccentric", donated the money for Coit Tower, most of the stories about her have been cleaned up. She liked fireman. The Tower is actually a large fire hose nozzle. A bit phallic, no? Rumor has it she may have been a Madam at one time.
sittenpretty-Shadow of a Doubt, with Teresa Wright, a brunette!
Karin | Email | 08.20.05 - 11:21 pm | #
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what was the great Hitch movie with widow killer Joseph Cotten. it was Hitches fave and mine too?..hugs back Sall!!!
sittenpretty
Shadow Of A Doubt.
Great movie.
HoneyBearKelly | Email | 08.20.05 - 11:21 pm | #
thanks guys ...and Robert Donat and Maxx are SUBLIME 
For anybody not yet dumb enough to click the link -- the 'Cindy Sheehan' post links to the Aryan Nations website.
Gas is all over the place around here. From 2.56 (where I filled up) to 2.65 in many other spots and higer in others.
And yes inflation is comming. NO way around it at this rate.
You fucking racist pig. Take your arayan nation elsewhere. You are the sleeze of the earth.
Had a feeling it was something insane. Clicking a tinyURL from an unfamiliar poster is like picking up your phone when the CID says "Unknown number."
Some people have trouble imagining a world that isn't all about them...
I have no response to that.
Some people have trouble imagining a world that isn't all about them....
Whoo boy. Here's a brick wall you might want to try hitting your head against.
I spent 75 fracking dollars on gas this afternoon. AND DID"NT EVEN GET A FULL TANK!
What, you drive an H2?
Jeebus! I have to use premium in my car and it has a fairly big tank, and at 2.87 a gallon I didn't spend anywhere near that! WTF? I saw a post from the wingnutty NY Post about a monster version of H2 (a real monstrosity) that costs $300,000. Whew! Can you imagine driving a hulking piece of shit like that in city traffic? Parking?
Iraqi fatality rate.
So far I'm seeing different sources suggesting that the numbers we're being shoveled is only those who died in combat, not those who died *after* combat, such as while being airlifted to hospitals or on the operating table.
A nice way to play their little semantics games.
Does anyone have links to sources that would give us an indication of the total fatality rate of U.S soldiers who have fought in Iraq? Not just those who died in combat?
I would like to find something hopefully more reliable.
Some are saying the 'total' fatality rate is at least 4X the number of combat related deaths. Anywhere from 8-10K, not including the nearly 30K of injuries.
Now why would this be a subject of discussion? Does anyone think that 2K fatalities would cause such turmoil? I doubt it would when compared to 130K+ troops. But when you take into account almost 30K injuries and perhaps 9K actual fatalities, then that number jumps down to 39K+/- for nearly 1/5th or 20% of the contingent in Iraq.
Now that is a real number worth discussing. I have several uncles who fought in both Korea and Vietnam. Aside form the horror stories they told me about Vietnam, the one thing they did tell me when I asked them about the fatalities in relation to Iraq was that they didn't encounter the enemy every day while on patrols. Sometimes you would go days without seeing anything. In one uncl'e sunit more men went down due to jungle related illnesses and common injuries than did combat. Of course when you spread this out over several years the numbers add up, and occasionally you had some really bad days where you saw combat for days straight. But all in all he says the numbers for Iraq are incredibly high considering that we're not talking about jungle warfare. And with our better trained and better equipped military, plus the lessons learned from the previous wars, we should not be dying over there in such numbers unless we are totally being clusterfucked by military commanders who just don't know how to change procedure to counter the insurgency's tactics. Then there is the civilian political officers who are over there telling the officers what they can and cannot do cause it might affect Haliburton or make us('us' = Bush+ Repubs) look bad.
MYOB'
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I spent 75 fracking dollars on gas this afternoon. AND DID"NT EVEN GET A FULL TANK!
Dude! WTF are you driving? That's 30 gallons. You got maybe a leak?
4lg
just got a 99 eclipse for my commute. the suv was 40 dollars roundtrip, the eclipse, 15.
can't even imagine what it woiuld cost to commute in my 71 Charger. oy!
Comedian.
I didn't realize there were exceptions to your rule.
Can you imagine driving a hulking piece of shit like that in city traffic? Parking?
Not to mention: Everyone laughing at your tiny pee-pee?
SD:
Martoonis are on the house. Double comin' up.
Here's a brick wall you might want to try hitting your head against.
If that doesn't work I have a mallet you can borrow.
Spoiled Americans! Buy gas in Sweden or Canada, Then you can bitch!
hah. and soon, used SUVs will cost $1.99.
Posted earlier, but here's some kitties!
And penguins.
Some people have trouble imagining a world that isn't all about them...
I have no response to that.
NTodd |
SD
Had a feeling it was something insane. Clicking a tinyURL from an unfamiliar poster is like picking up your phone when the CID says "Unknown number."
Clicking on any link by somebody claiming to be Harry Reid, Cindy Sheehan or anybody in the public eye is generally a mistake.
They are having problems with people filling the tank and driving off without paying so now you have to pay first.
http://sanfrancisco.about.com/cs...a/
coittower.htm
I think I mentioned last night that my local 7-11, where I always fill up, has had to require gasoline buyers to pay first for gas, because a hummer driver filled up with 75.oo woth of gas and took off. So just how long do these idiots think they're going to be able to keep this up?
Can you imagine driving a hulking piece of shit like that in city traffic? Parking?
Don't get me started on that. Luckily, I don't go downtown very often with the rig I drive. THere is way too much to lose inside that thing.
Dude! WTF are you driving? That's 30 gallons. You got maybe a leak?
29.94 gallons and it was'nt full.
I have no response to that.
NTodd
That was s'posed to be a joke. I didn't make you cry again did I?
Cos that means I'll have to buy another purty pitcher.
And I just bought a 'Kansas Museum of Science' tank top for EschaCon.
just got a 99 eclipse for my commute. the suv was 40 dollars roundtrip, the eclipse, 15.
Holy shit!
It's costing you $15 each day for gas?
I fill up about twice a month- about $27.00 the last time (this week) and I'm still bitching about it.
I don't know how people who commute long distances are able to afford it.
They are having problems with people filling the tank and driving off without paying so now you have to pay first.
Can you still buy locking gas caps for any ol' car, I wonder? Siphoning is going to be all the rage.
talking about hordes. Thin of the Vietnamese. They were supplied in the North by Russia and China, but in the south, they had to make do with what managed to be brought down to S. Vietnam, and what they could improvise with. They became very good at improvising.
I don't think the Mongol hordes are any dumber, then Vietnamese.
And people think S.F. has changed...
Lillie married financier Howard Coit but did not succumb to the norms of feminine high society. She smoked cigars, played poker, and shot guns. She shaved her head so that her wigs fit better. To show her continued devotion to the fire company, she always had the number 5 embroidered on all her clothes. Although eccentric, her quick wit and flair made her quite popular.
Between Lil Coit, Ambrose Bierce and Emperor Norton, I'd say it's mellowed with age
Can you imagine driving a hulking piece of shit like that in city traffic? Parking?
Not to mention: Everyone laughing at your tiny pee-pee?
That was a common theme in my "H3 tagline" thread...
Gonna keep that '89 Honda Civic hatchback running as long as I can. I used to be able to make 2 roundtrips upstate (400 miles total) on one tank of gas.
Bless her little indomitable heart.
because a hummer driver filled up with 75.oo woth of gas and took off.
Of course.
The guy who can afford a $80,000 monstrosity thinks it's okay to steal gas.
Asshat.
And I just bought a 'Kansas Museum of Science' tank top for EschaCon.
Somebody had better take a pic of you in it!
Spoiled Americans! Buy gas in Sweden or Canada, Then you can bitch
Spoiled? Probably. But this economy is built around cheap gas. This country is on the brink of an economic meltdown because of these prices. And you in a foreign nation will feel the effects as well. No matter what you pay in fuel costs.
oh, 4LG - what a kitty!!!
mena, the "liquiod lemondrop" sounds like a lovely summer drink.
Perhaps if we gave W a high colonic with this concoction, he'd behave better. But, I doubt it.
Sarah Deere | Email | 08.20.05 - 11:28 pm | #
love lemondrops yumeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 
Gonna keep that '89 Honda Civic hatchback running as long as I can. I used to be able to make 2 roundtrips upstate (400 miles total) on one tank of gas.
I had an '89 Accord Hatchback for a while when I was living in Manhattan.
Perfect little street car- easy to park and I didn't care if it got stolen.
hah. and soon, used SUVs will cost $1.99.
watertiger
Soon all the 'used car donation' charities will be refusing the fucking monsters.
Hee.
I don't think the Mongol hordes are any dumber, then Vietnamese.
Doug, | Email | Homepage | 08.20.05 - 11:39 pm | #
Absolutely correct, Doug. We will win every major engagement or battle. We will just lose the war, unless we are there to just decimate the entire population. The conditions for victory are what hangs you up.
oh, rorschach - Nils Olav has redeemed my sanity for me.
Thank you so much!
Between flory's dry matoonie and Nils, I think I have found reasons enough to live.
No kidding - there are some things the BFEE can't take away!!!
XXOO to all.
SD
Although eccentric, her quick wit and flair made her quite popular.
?????????
she wouldn't have been popular otherwise because she was eccentric? is that the point they are making?
oh, 4LG - what a kitty!!!
Why, thanks.
I think so anyhoo.
I think I might have lucked out on the Accord. I belonged to an older couple in CA. When the husband died and the mother decided to give up driving, they flew their son from Muskegon to CA and he drove it back. It is a 97 with 60K miles. (Belonged to a fellow teacher) I am pretty pleased at this point - the car is literally like new.
FLG, when Maxx grows up, he's gonna take that camera and...no, he may be listening.
The guy who can afford a $80,000 monstrosity thinks it's okay to steal gas.
==
I just wonder if he confessed to his god.
Gasoline
Over
Priced
I asked a cop (while discussing his new Magnum, issued by the sheriff's office, while he was collecting off-duty pay at the local movie theatre) how much his own Ram 1500 cost, and how many soldiers-per-gallon it got.
he smiled, and registered exactly what I was asking. even Chimpy's minions realize something is terribly, terribly wrong.
Gasoline
Over
Priced
I asked a cop (while discussing his new Magnum, issued by the sheriff's office, while he was collecting off-duty pay at the local movie theatre) how much his own Ram 1500 cost, and how many soldiers-per-gallon it got.
he smiled, and registered exactly what I was asking. even Chimpy's minions realize something is terribly, terribly wrong.
I am pretty pleased at this point - the car is literally like new.
It's got another 200 k miles left on it too.
Can you still buy locking gas caps for any ol' car, I wonder? Siphoning is going to be all the rage.
Damn, I had'nt thought of that. I park my van in the alley where anyone can see it if they drove by it. Completely vunerable to gas theft.
I need to go and get one.
Perfect little street car- easy to park and I didn't care if it got stolen.
Damned straight - when I have it in the city (I usually leave it out at the beach), I can fit into spots most regular cars can't handle.
Also why I'm lusting after a Mini Cooper.
I can remember people trying to horde gas in containers during the last oil embargo. Not a smart idea.
Dune on scifi, right now.
I belonged to an older couple in CA. When the husband died and the mother decided to give up driving, they flew their son from Muskegon to CA and he drove it back. It is a 97 with 60K miles. (Belonged to a fellow teacher) I am pretty pleased at this point - the car is literally like new.
BULLSHIT!
Then what the fuck am I doing spending all this money on my shrink?!
NTodd
For $200 an hour, we can talk about that...
Can you still buy locking gas caps for any ol' car, I wonder? Siphoning is going to be all the rage.
Silleigh
Oh, fuck me!!
I didn't even think about that.
Ladies and Gen'lmens -- welcome to 1973....
Also why I'm lusting after a Mini Cooper.
Me too.
The prius is small as well.
I like my current Accura though- it's small, but has a big hatch. I can fit a bike or just about anything back there.
And it's paid for.
This is what you will be driving soon... not sure what the soccer moms will do...
http://www.motobykz.co.uk/3wheel...l/
TTW_guide.htm
Somebody had better take a pic of you in it!
Silleigh
Has me an 'Operation Yellow Elephant' one as well....
That was a common theme in my "H3 tagline" thread...
Ooh, that was a nice collection.
That's always been our reaction around here to any car that looks overly marinated in testosterone, or anyone who drives that way.
Hummers just look like the "short bus" to me. (Especially a yellow one that parks somewhere around here.) I can't fucking believe those things exist, let alone that there are people who would be caught dead driving them without a damn good excuse.
Gas prices right now are almost enough to make you want to hang out at the gas station, heckling the owners of Hummers and other monstrosities.
They became very good at improvising.
The Iraqi insurgents have been using egg timers, or the timers taken out of washing machines, for setting off explosions.
In my youth, I and a couple buddues went from West Palm Beach to Tampa with a whopping 5 dollars. Siphoning gas the whole way.
The Swift Boating of Cindy Sheehan
By FRANK RICH
Published: August 21, 2005
"...CINDY SHEEHAN couldn't have picked a more apt date to begin the vigil that ambushed a president: Aug. 6 was the fourth anniversary of that fateful 2001 Crawford vacation day when George W. Bush responded to an intelligence briefing titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" by going fishing. On this Aug. 6 the president was no less determined to shrug off bad news. Though 14 marine reservists had been killed days earlier by a roadside bomb in Haditha, his national radio address that morning made no mention of Iraq. Once again Mr. Bush was in his bubble, ensuring that he wouldn't see Ms. Sheehan coming. So it goes with a president who hasn't foreseen any of the setbacks in the war he fabricated against an enemy who did not attack inside the United States in 2001..."
You just gotta love Frank Rich some days.
I hadn't mentioned it but my point about forest fires and the ambient temp, was to point out that if global warming is real (and the weather pros at NOAA, NCAR, and UCAR, now say it is) then fires of all kinds will get worse, forest, brush, household, firestorms in suburbs, and cities.
Ahh, the mini. I want one bad. But I don't like the two-tone thing. I'm thinking either solid black, or the racing green with a black top. At least it looks like all one color from a distance. And, of course, O'm just dreaming. I *am* a schoolteacher, after all.
Casey was killed by ZOG, how many more American boys will be killed for them?
DougO:
I'm originally from Lewiston, ID - just accoss the Bitterroots from you. Lots of fires near my (regionally spread out) family too. Take care!
I belonged to an older couple in CA.
Did you? What did they pay for you, if you don't mind my asking?
4LG, one day, when I grow up and get a digital camera, I will send pix of my manx. They are gorgeous in their own right. Mr Deere and I are dotty about them.
But they prefer radio detonation. They have tried proximity fuses but they are random. They want to get occupation forces with the IEDs so they wait for them to pass by.
It is a 97 with 60K miles. (Belonged to a fellow teacher) I am pretty pleased at this point - the car is literally like new.
DWD | Email | Homepage | 08.20.05 - 11:43 pm | #
have the timing belt changed. it's supposed to be replaced every 60,000. if it breaks, the engine will be completely destroyed.
Fuck You and Your Hummer 2
my Corolla gets 42 mpg hiway if I don't have a lead foot and 40mpg if I do. 36 mpg city. 33mpg city with the A/C running.
and it still cost me $30 to fill it up today.
"I'm lusting after a Mini Cooper."
Dammit, when are they going to import the turbo diesel cooper?
57 MPG/hwy.
That's what I want for an internal combustion engine powered car.
Casey was killed by ZOG, how many more American boys will be killed for them?
Cindy Sheehan | 08.20.05 - 11:49 pm | #
Superman was almost killed by Zod. Gen. Zod.
4LG, one day, when I grow up and get a digital camera, I will send pix of my manx.
Hurry up!
Honda's are junk compared to Acura's.
So when do they start putting 4 bangers in Humvees?
Heh tonight's SNL replay is the one with the Scissor Sistors (disco version of Comfortably Numb)
Superman was almost killed by Zod. Gen. Zod.
Johnny Quest always had a lot of trouble with Dr. Zin. I wonder if they are related?
Heh tonight's SNL replay is the one with the Scissor Sistors (disco version of Comfortably Numb)
oy i fucking HATE that cover!
Whenever I'm putting gas in my car (admittedly not often) I just smile and wave at the SUV owners, "how ya doing? can you believe these prices?"
They always look like they just ate worms or somthing.
hee hee.
Ibrahim's dream car. gonna buy buy her one when I go tenure-track. should have the convertible's on the secondary market by then. one can find a Mini on eBay Motors for 11K, if one looks hard enough
Spoiled Americans! Buy gas in Sweden or Canada, Then you can bitch!
Not sure exactly how to respond to this sort of thing, though you hear it now and then. The idea seems to be that since Europe is getting cornholed bigtime for it's oil, that becomes the norm, and we here are ever so fortunate not to be sharing that fate, and should STFU about it, or better yet, beg Washington to triple or forple our gas taxes to even things out. No thanks.
Sarah D., can I make you a deal? If you will get a camera and take pics of your kitties, I will do the same. We'd be forcing each other into the 20th cantury, at least.
I am pretty pleased at this point - the car is literally like new.
DWD, I would check out the hoses-the old ones get dried out and cracked, even on a car that hardly ever got driven.
Honda's are junk compared to Acura's.
Don't be an idiot.
An acura IS a honda.
Better picture of your new vehicles...
http://www.carver-europe.com/home.htm
have the timing belt changed. it's supposed to be replaced every 60,000. if it breaks, the engine will be completely destroyed.
Olaf glad and big
Traded in my last car at 120k -- original timing belt.
That 60k recommendation is completely dependent on how much city vs highway driving you do.
So when do they start putting 4 bangers in Humvees?
I drive bny a hummer dealershio in Plano the other day. THey had way too many out front. It looked like they might be having a bit of troubel offing the dammed things.
I didn't make you cry again did I?
Cos that means I'll have to buy another purty pitcher.
[sniff!]
Not cry so much as weep in a manly fashion.
Since you already bought Fire in Fog, a best seller, you might consider Love In A Park or Nook.
And I just bought a 'Kansas Museum of Science' tank top for EschaCon.
I am counting the days.
Olaf, I read that but it said only if the car had been driven in conditions consistenly below -10 and above 110. (Honest, it was in the manual) But I may have it looked at when I send the kid back to college for a while - damn! I am not sure I have ever been this broke.
They always look like they just ate worms or somthing.
hee hee.
four legs good
fucking morons! Did they really think gas would be $1/gallon forever?
by the way Detroit will be another casualty of the gasoline prices. Much of their profitability is built on sales of gas-hogging SUVs.
I guess their decision not to put serious money into researching and developing hybrid cars looks pretty fucking stupid about now, eh?
be forcing each other into the 20th cantury, at least.
back to the future.
one can find a Mini on eBay Motors for 11K, if one looks hard enough
Seriously?
I think I'm just gonna drive the integra until it falls apart.
If you're buying used, buy an Acura instead of a Honda.
Doozer,
The perception is that the rest of the world is getting reamed on account of us. Perception is everything. Have you ever seen the Arno Peters maps?
I guess their decision not to put serious money into researching and developing hybrid cars looks pretty fucking stupid about now, eh?
Yep.
As does chimpy and minions decision to not raise the MPG standard.
Clinton tried to get it through for 6 years running and all the rethugs fought him.
Dicks.
Think of the fun as you blow by in your surrey with the fringe on top and yell GET A HORSE!!!
Karin, that is the beautiful thing about the deal (and I was lucky to find it, four people had offered and two dealers) the man had driven the car for a year - replaced the tires and all of the hoses because of age.
I had to pay top retail for it. That is the most I have ever paid, relatively speaking, for a used car.
And I just bought a 'Kansas Museum of Science' tank top for EschaCon.
Somebody had better take a pic of you in it!
Oh, you can count on it. And during the nekkid panel discussion, I hope to take pictures of her out of it! But I've said too much...
Think of the fun as you blow by in your surrey with the fringe on top and yell GET A HORSE!!!
I have considered getting a Vespa.
I am counting the days.
You better be counting the miles. Only 14k to do on monday.
An Integra is a piece of gold compared to an Accord. Accord's run forever, but they actually need a lot of regular maintenance.
he guy who can afford a $80,000 monstrosity thinks it's okay to steal gas.
What afford? Prollie behind on the note, too.
I guess their decision not to put serious money into researching and developing hybrid cars looks pretty fucking stupid about now, eh?
There is a Ford Excape hybrid now. gets
~EPA estimate 36 City/31 Hwy mpg, front wheel drive. Your actual mileage will vary based on driving habits.
http://www.fordvehicles.com/esca...apehybrid/home/
DWD - 4legs(?) is right about the timing chain. My '89 Honda broke it's chain on the freeway after about 90,000 m. Luckily, I was on an off-ramp, in light traffic. I think 60,ooo m is the recommended point. You don't want it to happen if you can avoid it. Hondas are GREAT cars.
v - talk to me in a year and I will let you know what I think of the car. At this point, it is an unknown. I am hoping that it will be a good car.
BTW, whatever else I may be, I am not a liar.
My '97 Corolla gave me very close to 30 mpg here in Philly, taking the stop-and-start Schulkill from West Philly to King of Prussia every day, plus everything else city miles. Of course, I drive like an old lady. Since 2001 I got a job at Penn and ride my bike to work. Wife and son working and going to school within walking distance also, our car gets weeks rest at a time now.
Bring it on.
That 60k recommendation is completely dependent on how much city vs highway driving you do.
On the acura it's 90K- I did it at 85K because the car was 12 years old at that point. Better safe than sorry.
As does chimpy and minions decision to not raise the MPG standard.
well that was partly Big Oil and partly (taa-daa!) Detroit pressuring BushCo not to do so. And of course BushCo is inclined not to do things that are wise for the environment anyhow, as if trashing the Earth makes you a manly man or something.
Detroit's automakers deserve to go belly-up, they've been seriously stupid for 40 years with only occasional flashes of intelligence. First they ignored the Japanese and now they ignore Peak Oil.
American automakers are dinosaurs that deserve to go extinct and I'm sorry to say that but it's true.
Since you already bought Fire in Fog, a best seller, you might consider Love In A Park or Nook.
Can we wait til after I get Fire in Fog framed?
And I just bought a 'Kansas Museum of Science' tank top for EschaCon.
I am counting the days.
NTodd
Whoa!
Good thing I went to the gym today.
You can find a lot of Hitch's early movies like the original 39 Steps, Blackmail, Young and Innocent, etc... for a buck each on bargain DVDs.
Check out ROPE Interesting riff on the Bobby Franks murder case. It was Hitchcock's first color film. Also the film is set in a single aprtment; told in real time; and each scene goes 10 minutes before there is a cut.
Every person in the coutry can buy a freeking bicycle and the destruction of the economy is stillassured now. Way too many vehicles run on high fuel usage to make this country go.
The time to change was a number of years ago. It is past time. All we can do is grin and bear the onslaught of economic disaster.
They became very good at improvising.
The Iraqi insurgents have been using egg timers, or the timers taken out of washing machines, for setting off explosions.
And they've learned to shape charges...
I am hoping that it will be a good car.
It will be. I'm on my 4th car manufactured by Honda motor company, and not one has ever been in the shop for anything other than routine maintenance or for parts that needed to be replaced because of age.
The fuckers just don't break.
Vespas are cool. You feel like you are in a Fellini movie.
by the way Detroit will be another casualty of the gasoline prices. Much of their profitability is built on sales of gas-hogging SUVs.
I guess their decision not to put serious money into researching and developing hybrid cars looks pretty fucking stupid about now, eh?
renato
Yet another really obvious outcome that the conservatards in this country just couldn't grasp.
Clinton tried to get it through for 6 years running and all the rethugs fought him.
Dicks.
four legs good
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Hey now. Not by their light. They were making money. In their minds, the highest and best calling any american can follow.
First they ignored the Japanese and now they ignore Peak Oil.
THese gas prices have nothing to do with peak oil.
There is a Ford Excape hybrid now.
Saw it today at the Clearwater Festival. They also had a Prius and a couple of other hybrids, and some folks selling solar roof panel systems, so you can generate your own electricity.
I guess their decision not to put serious money into researching and developing hybrid cars looks pretty fucking stupid about now, eh?
Maybe while you're at it, you could drop ford a line and let 'em know where to get the cash to drop on a line of vehicles that only a very small percentage of folks are going to purchase.
I guess their decision not to put serious money into researching and developing hybrid cars looks pretty fucking stupid about now, eh?
This whole BS about hybrid cars is nuts. It is well documented that for a mere $8 hundred dollar conversion kit you can run a car on vegetable oil. The whole crude oil scam is nothing propping up the evil empire of Bu$h/Big Dick/Saudi blood money.
Has anyone noticed the latest stupid marketing ploy the car companies are using... The employee discount. You don't actually work for us, but we'll give you an employee discount!
It's as bad as the presciption strength medicine that over the counter. If it's over the counter it's objectively not prescription strength!
Stop the non sequiturs!
Vespas are cool. You feel like you are in a Fellini movie.
That's what I was thinking.
I could buzz around saying, "Ciao"
Traded in my last car at 120k -- original timing belt.
That 60k recommendation is completely dependent on how much city vs highway driving you do.
flory, Business Manager | Email | 08.20.05 - 11:54 pm | #
yeah, but it only costs a couple of hundred to change it. and if it breaks on a honda you are screwed.
Yet another really obvious outcome that the conservatards in this country just couldn't grasp.
If you think of the money that could be made in alternative energy development (and no, I don't mean biodiesel or hydrogen cars) you wonder, "what the FUCK is wrong with you people?"
but then again, these people aren't really known for their far-ranging vision.
Maybe while you're at it, you could drop ford a line and let 'em know where to get the cash to drop on a line of vehicles that only a very small percentage of folks are going to purchase.
You sure about that?
Gas hits $5 a gallon and I'll bet that changes.
Oh, you can count on it. And during the nekkid panel discussion, I hope to take pictures of her out of it! But I've said too much...
NTodd
I think there's been some misleading advertising for EschaCon.
I was under the impression the panelists would be nekkid -- not the audience.
Scooter are fun. I ride them on vacation each year, but I wouldn't like to ride one round here thanks to all the cell-phone yapping morons in their gaint SUVs not paying attention to where they're going.
Vespas are cool but really expensive.
I could buzz around saying, "Ciao"
Dogs are running faster than you. Face it, you're riding nothing more than a hair dryer!
Ciao.
-- Eddie Izzard
I've had three Accord's and one Integra. The Integra was an incredible car, all it needed was a tune up from time to time. All of the Accord's ran great, but water pumps, alternators, belts will have to be replaced again and again. Acura's can be run into the ground with nothing but an oil change. This is with lots of highway driving. My one Accord had 300k miles.
You better be counting the miles. Only 14k to do on monday.
Dude, I have the whole routine planned out. Some good inclines that rival the Tour, long loops, etc. I can totally cover 14,000 miles this Monday. Tuesday, at the latest. Or Wednesday, if the weather's bad.
I have considered getting a Vespa.
A Vestal Vespa?
Can we wait til after I get Fire in Fog framed?
[stomps feet]
NONONONONO! I've got property taxes to pay. Show a brother some love.
Good thing I went to the gym today.
I totally thought about working out today. But then I decided to do a podcast instead.
I was under the impression the panelists would be nekkid -- not the audience.
Thank you. I mean, it's not bad enough to have naked coed softball?
but then again, these people aren't really known for their far-ranging vision.
These are the asstards who think the world is 6,000 years old.
Gack.
Dogs are running faster than you. Face it, you're riding nothing more than a hair dryer!
I don't care.
I'd still look cool.
I totally thought about working out today. But then I decided to do a podcast instead.
Well, so long as your heart's in the right place.
have the timing belt changed. it's supposed to be replaced every 60,000. if it breaks, the engine will be completely destroyed.
Olaf glad and big
Sage advice, if a bit exaggerated; There is a possibility of the valves hitting a piston when the crank- and cam-shafts go independent, but it won't necessarily kill the engine. I had a Shitsibumi last another 150,000 miles, and I saw the damage when I replaced the head. 2 valves very slightly bent, and eventually burnt. The Ford I'm driving now lost a belt 2 years ago, and is still humming.
My husband has a Toyota Echo hatchback, which unfortunately aren't available outside Canada. Gas prices are hovering around $1.00 per litre here, but it hasn't hurt us too much, since it gets 44 miles to the gallon, and it's comparable to most hybrids at highway speeds. It's also cute Actually, most Toyotas are pretty good on gas. They're not perfect cars, but after the experiences my family's had with Ford, it's a relief to have had a problem-free car for almost 2 years now.
First they ignored the Japanese and now they ignore Peak Oil.
American automakers are dinosaurs that deserve to go extinct and I'm sorry to say that but it's true.
Time to stock up on swossages.
Hi all!
I spent some time recently on the silly side of the street. At my homepage, a saga of two posts that will surprise AND astound you.
Way too many vehicles run on high fuel usage to make this country go.
Watch what happens when MalMart has to double the price of their cheap Chinese shit because of the trucking costs....
Its the cost of gas to the trucking industry that's gonna kill the economy.
There is a Ford Excape hybrid now. gets
~EPA estimate 36 City/31 Hwy mpg, front wheel drive. Your actual mileage will vary based on driving habits.
yep and guess what?
Ford licensed Toyota's hybrid technology.
I guess it's a good thing that Ford didn't try to re-invent Toyota's wheel; it's just a shame that an American automaker didn't come up with it first.
You would think Detroit would have learned from the first oil crisis 30 years ago, which allowed the Japanese to get their foot in the door in the States. I guess not.
I spent some time recently on the silly side of the street.
Did you see any ocelots?
I belonged to an older couple in CA.
Did you? What did they pay for you, if you don't mind my asking?
Hoo, boy.
Detroit's automakers deserve to go belly-up, they've been seriously stupid for 40 years with only occasional flashes of intelligence. First they ignored the Japanese and now they ignore Peak Oil.
American automakers are dinosaurs that deserve to go extinct and I'm sorry to say that but it's true.
renato | Email | 08.21.05 - 12:00 am | #
I'll keep that in mind when I hit the unemployment line, or get transferred to some place cool like S.Korea.
Why isn't anyone bitching about the fucking oil barons sitting in office reaping the profits off the $3 per gallon gas?
"Way too many vehicles run on high fuel usage to make this country go."
One aspect is to consider that a person with a car loan has to decide if switching to a higher mileage car is worth it. If you save 100 bucks a month in fuel, have you achieved savings when jumping from one loan to another. If you have extended your loan essentially by taking on a new one, you lose both on the interest and the need to continue payments.
Or as in my case, I have a ford ranger, paid for. Trying to save money on fuel is counter productive if I have to take on a new loan to afford the gas mizer. The cost of fuel would have to become so great or availability so limited that it is absolutely necessary.
There are things that I could do to maybe make things work out to some degree, but practical solutions generally yield little return and incur more expense.
If you are in the market for a new vehicle for whatever reason, then it makes complete sense to make a switch however.
Gas is now officially 10 times as much as when I first started driving. What a fargin' milestone...
i want to see the documents to the secret cheney meeting. WTF that asshole is supposed to be working for me.
the only documents i have seen depict the oil fields in iraq. hmmm.
I liked the bluegrass cover album of the Wall...
Are there any deer in the theater tonight?
There's one in the headlights...
I totally thought about working out today. But then I decided to do a podcast instead.
Heard a commercial on rabid radio this afternnon (don't ask)
If columbus could have flown a plane he would have waited.
I was under the impression the panelists would be nekkid -- not the audience.
I beg your pardon, but I will be moderating that panel.
Nobody will be naked.
I will assign costumes later in the week.
I don't even want to think about what my brother's '69 Mustang Fastback with the Boss 429 under the hood gets.
But boy, is it fun to drive. You pull G's throwing it into third gear.
"Toyota Echo hatchback, which unfortunately aren't available outside Canada"
I believe that the Scion XA is a close cousin to the Toyota Echo.
"I don't even want to think about what my brother's '69 Mustang Fastback with the Boss 429 under the hood gets."
Gas prices or not, it gets "Respect"
Does Atrios even work here anymore? I havnt seen anything he has written for a long time.
Ah well, delete this one from the Bookmarks I guess.
Honda's are junk compared to Acura's.
Don't be an idiot.
An acura IS a honda.
four legs good | Email | 08.20.05 - 11:53 pm | #
Why isn't anyone bitching about the fucking oil barons sitting in office reaping the profits off the $3 per gallon gas?
Because the official orthodoxy is that Greed is Good and we should admire the rich for being rich.
If you think of the money that could be made in alternative energy development (and no, I don't mean biodiesel or hydrogen cars) you wonder, "what the FUCK is wrong with you people?"
And then you add in the tens of BILLIONS of dollars the oil companies are sitting on -- and literally can't figure out what to spend it on....
And you start banging your head against the wall.
Or having a 4th martooni
whatever.....
That 60k recommendation is completely dependent on how much city vs highway driving you do.
flory, Business Manager
No, it's up to the fucking Gods. Don't jack with the gods.
Unless you have AAA...
At my homepage, a saga of two posts that will surprise AND astound you.
I'm astounded that 79% of republicans are still that delusional about the war at this late date.
Incredible.
4Legs --
No, I've been arguing with Ann Althouse, who has proven to be even more delightfully stupid and pompous than anyone could have ever expected.
At my place, the rundown...
Gas prices or not, it gets "Respect"
It's a mean-looking car, I'll grant you that.
We're old Pony afficionados, he and I.
Wouldn't it be funny if high gas prices revived the railroad industry and they turned trails to rails. hahahahahha
Why isn't anyone bitching about the fucking oil barons sitting in office reaping the profits off the $3 per gallon gas?
i bitched, i bitched.
and ripley has a very telling graph on his blog about just this.
energy bill my ass. more like rape.
Why isn't anyone bitching about the fucking oil barons sitting in office reaping the profits off the $3 per gallon gas?
That goes without saying.
Has anyone noticed the latest stupid marketing ploy the car companies are using... The employee discount. You don't actually work for us, but we'll give you an employee discount!
Talk about putting lipstick on a pig! "We discontinued our employee discount, won't you buy a car from us???"
Feh.
"We're old Pony afficionados, he and I."
In the past I once had
a 66, a 69 and a 71 Grande.
I miss the 66 like a lost member of the family and it's little brother the 72 MGB Tourer that I once had.
Does Atrios even work here anymore? I havnt seen anything he has written for a long time.
Ah well, delete this one from the Bookmarks I guess.
OCHONE! OCHONE!
Let the women keeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!
Oh my life I loved him truly, the only Playboy of the Western World -- Georgio!!!!!!!!
WEEP, damn you!
"Toyota Echo hatchback, which unfortunately aren't available outside Canada"
I'm pretty sure I've seen Echos on the road but not sure if I've seen the hatchback version.
Thers... I couldn't help but scroll down a bit (I don't make the blog rounds as often as I should), and am still laughing my ass off at your Tuesday "Rules of Debate" post.
You guys should blogwhore MORE OFTEN, dammit!!!
Does Atrios even work here anymore? I havnt seen anything he has written for a long time.
Ah well, delete this one from the Bookmarks I guess.
Georgio
Please do, asshole. Be gone, already.
Ah well, delete this one from the Bookmarks I guess.
Good by.
Why isn't anyone bitching about the fucking oil barons sitting in office reaping the profits off the $3 per gallon gas
everytime I talk to someone about the cost of gas I try to mention this little tidbit.Thing is, it seems people know it already. And yet there is no outrage.
People really are sheeep. They are letting the dogs rule while they are getting slaughtered.
Does Atrios even work here anymore? I havnt seen anything he has written for a long time.
Ah well, delete this one from the Bookmarks I guess.
oh shit there goes Eschaton. Georgio has deleted it from his bookmarks!
We're doomed! DOOMED!
Show a brother some love.
If you're my brother -- what's all this nekkid stuff?
Thank you. I mean, it's not bad enough to have naked coed softball?
watertiger
Hey! Aren't you one of the organizers?
No, I've been arguing with Ann Althouse, who has proven to be even more delightfully stupid and pompous than anyone could have ever expected.
And she doesn't even realize it.
Amazing.
Kind of like Kelley conway on RealTime last night- saying with a straight face that Iraqi women were in burquas 5 years ago and how we saved them from that.
Completely fucking nuts. All of them.
Wouldn't it be funny if high gas prices revived the railroad industry and they turned trails to rails.
Subsidize Amtrak?! When there are Alaskan bridges to nowhwere to be built? Oh, it is to laugh...
Has anyone noticed the latest stupid marketing ploy the car companies are using... The employee discount. You don't actually work for us, but we'll give you an employee discount!
People fall for anything. Like the furniture stores that are perpetually having going out of business sales.
People really are sheeep. They are letting the dogs rule while they are getting slaughtered.
Hey you, Whitehouse
ha ha charade you are
You house proud town mouse
ha ha charade you are
You're tying to keep our feelings off the street
You're nearly a real treat
All tight lips and cold feet
And do you feel abused?
You gotta stem the evil tide
And keep it all on the inside
Mary you're nearly a treat
Mary you're nearly a treat
But you're really a cry
Hey Steve - this one's for you!
Pictures I took at the base of the Golden Gate bridge about a year ago - plus one other "Vertigo" location.
And Walter, I'll have something special for you in a coupla minutes, too!
We're old Pony afficionados, he and I.
I like ponies.
I want one for christmas.
Again.
Hey! Aren't you one of the organizers?
I'm just about the food, man. Nobody HAS to be naked at dinner, although if you so choose to be, we can make you the centerpiece.
With garnish, of course.
Ah well, delete this one from the Bookmarks I guess.
Don't let the door etc.
The perception is that the rest of the world is getting reamed on account of us. Perception is everything
No it aint. At least I don't percieve it to be...
And no, I haven't.
Yes, I have. W#hat's so controversial?
Ah well, delete this one from the Bookmarks I guess.
Georgio | Email | 08.21.05 - 12:12 am | #
you can do what you want to do, but atrios has been kicking ass of late.
besides, the comments, including the frivolity are the best on the net.
I think I'm gonna grab lion kitty and watch a movie.
watertiger, eat your heart out!!!
Cannot. Hold. Eyes. Open.
Must get rest.
Good
Niiggg......................................
Does Atrios even work here anymore? I havnt seen anything he has written for a long time.
Ah well, delete this one from the Bookmarks I guess.
Georgio | Email | 08.21.05 - 12:12 am | #
buh bye
Max Planck - love the Buster!
damn you, 4LG! (shakes fist)
I'm here, but lurking. Fried after a looooooong day with my crazy family.
There is no cumpulsory nekkididity at EschaCon.
And NTodd's not allowed to get arrested.
damn you, 4LG! (shakes fist)
here's what you'll be missing...
http://img.photobucket.com/album.../Awww2_8-
10.jpg
George Galloway will be in the U.S. on Sept. 24, in N.Y.C., to debate Christopher Hitchens at Baruch College, I believe, and sponsored by Democracy Now! and hosted by Amy Goodman. The hope is that Hitchens will be sober enough so that he does not disgrace himself against Galloway
You guys should blogwhore MORE OFTEN, dammit!!!
Hee hee. That one was flogged wnough, actually...
I'm actually really delighted by Althouse, though. She flat out says she was glad she was caught making shit up because Atrios made fun of her for it. I don't think she's joking, either. She's crazy.
Why isn't anyone bitching about the fucking oil barons sitting in office reaping the profits off the $3 per gallon gas?
One stock which I track, ConocoPhillips, has gone up 33% since May. In just 3 months!
Peculiarly, their stock price seems to match the price of a barrel of oil. Just a weird coincidence, I'm sure, since a stock price is based on a lot more than that. But still... just sayin'. The oil-producing countries aren't the only ones cashing in on the high prices.
Army plans to stay in Iraq for 4 more years.
As Sheehan's group held a religious service Sunday, nearby landowner Larry Mattlage fired his shotgun twice into the air. "I ain't threatening nobody, and I ain't pointing a gun at nobody," he said. "This is Texas."
and on THAT note, I am off to slumber.
Maybe while you're at it, you could drop ford a line and let 'em know where to get the cash to drop on a line of vehicles that only a very small percentage of folks are going to purchase.
If the demand is so small, why has there been a waiting list for the Prius since the day it came out?
Does Atrios even work here anymore? I havnt seen anything he has written for a long time.
Ah well, delete this one from the Bookmarks I guess.
Georgio
Sung to the tune of Don't Let The Door Hit Your Stupid Ass On The Way Out:
"Don't let the door hit
Your stupid ass
On the way out"
If you're my brother -- what's all this nekkid stuff?
Half-brother. Not genetically related, so it's all cool.
Thank you. I mean, it's not bad enough to have naked coed softball?
watertiger
Woo Hoo! We're having nekid softball? I might have to start working out a bit. I thought I'd just have to tone up from the belly down. No pants and shit.
Woo Hoo! We're having nekid softball? I might have to start working out a bit. I thought I'd just have to tone up from the belly down. No pants and shit.
just don't forget your cup!
Hey you, Whitehouse
ha ha charade you are
Floyd does such a good live version of that...
Max Planck - love the Buster!
mena
Tks. I just saw a few Keaton films. That guy was really something.
72 Midget's had important things to tell us. until those fuckers stole it, trashed it and the insurance company welched on their obligations.
but still, 72 Midgets were a very good year.
sam
I read that. Funny thing is I more and more feel that the reason these idiots pushed us into Iraq has little to do with oil as we think or fears about Iran or Syria.
I keep thinking about our buddies more north and north east. I fyou have been watching, it sure looks like China nd Russia are both deciding their time has come.
just don't forget your cup!
She doesn't wear one, I don't wear one.
(/bad news bears)
NTodd's not allowed to get arrested.
I thought I was allowed to get thrown in the slam so long as I had somebody lined up to post bail. Stop stifling my creativity!
Woo Hoo! We're having nekid softball?
Not completely naked. One team has no shirts and the other has no pants.
Woo Hoo! We're having nekid softball? I might have to start working out a bit. I thought I'd just have to tone up from the belly down. No pants and shit.
my hard work is payin' dividends, if I dare say so myself.
just looking forward to softball, thassall.
Obviously, for personal reasons the american auto-maker bashing gets to me. Do y'all understand that anything that the us auto makers put into research and development gets taken to asia, and developed there at no cost to the company itself, and there is no such thing as owning a patent, etc? But, we're supposed to keep people employed, pay living wages[which we have btw thanks to unions]and it's all going straight to hell because people think foreign is the way to go. Okay. Fuck employment, man, people can always join the gotdamn army.
"72 Midgets were a very good year."
I always wanted to try one out but never had the chance. But I was pretty happy with the MGB itself until it got clobbered twice.
besides, the comments, including the frivolity are the best on the net.
Good God, yes.
I went to some weird link this morning -- a calculator for "how much caffeine will kill you" -- just for fun, you input your choice of caffeine-containing drink and your own weight, and it tells you how many cans of Jolt or Coke or whatever will kill you.
The comments were INSANE. Some people bitched about the use of English measurement, which led to a bunch of knee-jerk jingoism, war debate, and in short the stupidest fucking comments page I have EVER read, I think. People demanding to know why Sprite wasn't in the list. People screaming that it was "bullshit, I've drunk WAY over that many cans of Blank Cola in my lifetime." Just fucking pinheaded. Really makes you value a place like this. You wonder how people that stoopid get their socks on in the morning.
Walter, this one's for you - pictures of that Diego Rivera mural at City College of San Francisco...
I beg your pardon, but I will be moderating that panel.
Yeah? Well, Mr. Moderator, you forgot a very important Rule for the debate.
7. Each panelist has to give their name every time they speak. If they forget, I will snarkily remark "You do know your name don't you?"
I thought I'd just have to tone up from the belly down. No pants and shit.
==
Better start working those lats!
The cars I wanted when I was 16:
MGB (in British racing green, natch)
Triumph TR-6
Triumph Spitfire
That Rover my neighbors down the street owned, with the cool wing mirrors
My first car? A '69 convertible VW Bug. In butter yellow.
WHITE COLLAR COMPENSATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HOUSE OF CARDS AND UNJUSTIFIED. NOW, THE ASIANS ARE SHOWING THAT THIS WORK CAN BE DONE FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR. A BRUTAL CLASS WAR IS COMING.
As watertiger well knows, I love the mini-Cooper. I wonder what kind of mileage they get?
desi
I sort of thought like you and you are correct in many ways, however, the quality of many of the American auto products is shabby considering the cost to the point I gave up. That doesn't mean I jumped into buying foreign only, but where I used to be a Ford man only, I have allowed Nissan and Mazda to be on my shopping list as well.
i'm sure minis get good mileage.
Ann Althouse being glad of hits she gets from Atrios linking to her because she's a liar is kind of like the guy who gets arrested and shows up on COPS but is thrilled to be on TV.
one last thing, and then I really am retiring for the evening:
one of my dear friends from college restored a 1962 MGA convertible back in 1980.
It's STILL running.
I'm almost finished.
Four leggers,
Awwww, hell. Lion Kitty Maxx is a glamore puss of the highest order. What a lovey. I'm sooooo happy you took that little guy in and gave him the love he deserves. Bless you.
Hey Steve - this one's for you!
does HLS know about this?
shit, i actually worry about stuff like this. welcome to Amerika.
Mini cooper fuel consumption
Fuel Type Premium
MPG (city) 28
MPG (highway) 36
MPG (combined) 31
Annual Fuel Cost $1328
Sty, why do you type in all caps? Are you aware that is a dreadful breach of netiquette?
i drive a fomoco product. the gas mileage isn't that great, but it is really comfortable. and i'm happy with the quality.
one of my dear friends from college restored a 1962 MGA convertible back in 1980.
It's STILL running.
watertiger
Better turn it off.
STY
While a lot of white collar work is over compensated, much of it in the past was realistic to the expectation of the lifestyle and economy.
Consider what the Asians have as individuals and compare to us and you should realize that they are paid with pennies and they live like it as well.
We are being screwed and so are they.
I have an observation to make.
The regular commenters at Eschaton are truly outstanding comedians and philosophers....
after 4 martoonis.
I went to some weird link this morning -- a calculator for "how much caffeine will kill you"
Oh yeah, my friend Bill blogged about that in his Thursday Linkdump. For the record, it would take 3510.00 cups of Coffee (Decaf, Brewed) to put me down. Not sure about how many double-shot cappuccinos.
As watertiger well knows, I love the mini-Cooper. I wonder what kind of mileage they get?
28/36 for the 5-speed
As watertiger well knows, I love the mini-Cooper. I wonder what kind of mileage they get?
28/36
per the way cool mini site:
http://www.miniusa.com/
Yeah? Well, Mr. Moderator, you forgot a very important Rule for the debate.
Are you implying that the panelists will be so crass as to not supply me with delicious cookies before we commence?
Possibly, possibly....
watertiger - As a kid, I always lusted after a racing green MGB. My dad got one in trade for a job he did for someone, but wouldn't let me have it: he didn't get what it meant to me. He's still paying for that.
She flat out says she was glad she was caught making shit up because Atrios made fun of her for it. I don't think she's joking, either. She's crazy.
Thers
No. The controversy with Atrios tripled her traffic.
NOW, THE ASIANS ARE SHOWING THAT THIS WORK CAN BE DONE FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.
Sure it can, dumbass. Go look at the # of 'haves' in asia, compared to the 'have nots'
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/
b...stworstNF.shtml
one of my dear friends from college restored a 1962 MGA convertible back in 1980.
It's STILL running.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 08.21.05 - 12:31 am | #
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well of course it is. he fixes it every weekend, after all.
Mini Cooper
Fuel Type Premium
MPG (city) 25
MPG (highway) 32
MPG (combined) 28
Awwww, hell. Lion Kitty Maxx is a glamore puss of the highest order. What a lovey. I'm sooooo happy you took that little guy in and gave him the love he deserves. Bless you.
I consider myself the lucky one.
desi,
my next car is definitely gonna be a magnum. the sxt, the extra hundreds for the ehanced v6 is surely worth it.
how many soldiers is a hemi really worth?
but nice lines on those magnums. the 4 doors on the charger don't really work for me.
but a used 99 froma japanese manufacturer (mistubishi motors, in my cae) is a safer bet than a 99 ford, gm, or chrysler product. mpg, plus the powertrain, with few dollars, will actually last until 300k miles.
just saying
Re: gas price, mileage, etc.
There was a really challenging entry the other day in www.kunstler.com about Harry Shearer's snarky comments on the war. (Le Show has been my radio show since 1991.) Basically, Kunstler, who was against the war, says, "Are those against the war ready to make the sacrifices for really expensive gas - like giving up the suburbs, commutes, the car-centric life, etc." (My inept summary; not his quote.) Check it out.
martoonis? Flory just how old are you?
dunno if the link will work, but you can check out the Toyota Echo hatchback in my Homepage. If not, check out www.toyota.ca for all the stats. Ours is silver
No. The controversy with Atrios tripled her traffic.
Right.
All the people who came to see what an asshat she is.
Not completely naked. One team has no shirts and the other has no pants.
Max Planck
*snort*
There goes the 4th martooni....right up teh nose!!
desi, if american car makers didn't make crap cars they wouldn't have problems competing.
Sty = Robert.
As for cars, my dad and I took a College Tour my sophomore year of HS. Visited Haverford, Swarthmore, Brown, and other such schools. Also spent a great deal of time in Philly and Boston because I wanted to make it into a Rediscover American History tour (visited the Friends Meeting House, Independence Hall, Liberty Bell, Philly Mint, Breed's Hill, the USS Consitution and all the usual shit).
Anyway, along the way I spotted a '67 convertible Vette for sale. $13k. I cried out, "Dad, stop the car, stop the car!" He did.
I really wanted the car. Dad offered me a choice: he'd buy me that car, or he'd send me to college. I chose college. I'm not entirely sure I made the right choice.
I've got an 88 Camry with 8 zillion miles on it, 31+ mpg.
I love it.
Floyd does such a good live version of that...
NTodd
Gray, balding, wrinkled and all, the Supreme Geezers--no, not the fucking Stones!--still do a hell of a job on stage.
Not to start a Stones v Floyd thing here, but the Stones come onstage these days all makeup, hair dye and strange costumery. Floyd in London for Live 8 brought just their chops. I admit to an anachronistic fondness for bands that perform in what they might wear to do laundry.
No. The controversy with Atrios tripled her traffic.
Yeah, I see that --
but she flat-out said that it was worth it to be caught making shit up in a shoddy fasion because it drove traffic and raised her profile as an Important Blogger.
I think that's nuts. But it pretty much is the mechanism of the Right Wankosphere, so there is method to her madness, I suppose.
There are no rules over there. It's FUN!
Are you implying that the panelists will be so crass as to not supply me with delicious cookies before we commence?
Hecate gave me these cookies, and I ain't sharing.
I know what you mean Charley.
Remember the response to the 70's gas crisis by the car companies? That is why I made the snarky remark about the 4 banger humvee.
We have the finest minds out there, but in the end they get told, make it like the other guy. Slap in a 4 banger and market the hell out of it. We will figure out if it really works later.
So then we saw wonderful cards like Chevettes and Vegas with disposable engines (sort of). Or we saw big hulks with teeny engines that would make 0-60 in two days if running downhill.
The Corolla scared the crap out of them.
No, I've been arguing with Ann Althouse,
Thers, no walls in your house to hit your head against? lol
All the people who came to see what an asshat she is.
four legs good
And, face it, that's gotta hurt.
NTodd,
I had a similar experience one college summer. I walked to work, and on the way passed a used car dealership with an early Mustang coupe convertible. Black top, someone had painted the body an inauthentic but wickedly cool bubble gum pink. They only wanted $3K for it, but no, I had to save for tuition.
*sigh*
I really wanted the car. Dad offered me a choice: he'd buy me that car, or he'd send me to college. I chose college. I'm not entirely sure I made the right choice.
NTodd
Good lord, Pantless. You must be kidding. Heh.
desi:
No one here is going to deny that there are good, creative, intelligent hard-working people at US auto companies.
But people buy Japanese made cars for a reason -- they're built better and last longer.
I traded in my last Japanese car at 120k miles - it was 11 years old.
I've never had an American car last beyond about 80k.
It has nothing to do with the employees of the car companies and everything to do with the greed and shortsightedness of the senior managers and boards.
"72 Midgets were a very good year."
i don't know what year it was, but one of the counselors at the group home i lived in had a midget. imagine 5 juvies and a counselor tooling around town. nice little car, but always felt like it was a sophisticated go cart. my 85 prelude an even more sophisticated go cart. but man the gas mileage, and that car rocked.
dave, thanx for the Diego Rivera pic.
i'm driveing to balt. in a jeep cherokee this week. hope i can afford it.
you say the senior managers and executives are greed. THEN WHY NOT DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? They all have addresses.
it was worth it to be caught making shit up in a shoddy fasion because it drove traffic and raised her profile as an Important Blogger.
Damn, I've been doing it all wrong. I guess I should start lying so I get more traffic.
So, I was talking to this DC insider who bumped into him when he was testifying before the FEC, and he said Atrios is not only sweaty, but was seen shaking hands with Santorum. More details at my Homepage link.
Evening all.
Reading the Lashawn Barber link below makes me glad I am not a Republican. I Would have to spend all my time censoring other people to prevent myself from becoming offended by what other people say.
As to the car comments.
There are only a couple of cars worth pursuing.
1954 Jaguar D-Type
1963 Corvette Stingray Split-Window Coupe
1974 Volkswagen Thing (aka Safari or Trekker)
1965 Porsche 911S
1961 to 1971 Triumphs or MGs
All VW Beetle Split or Oval Windows
All VW Beetle Convertibles
All Aston Martins
All Morgans
All Ford GT-40s
Pre-1970 Camaros
Other than that, there are very few worth spending the money on.
Hecate gave me these cookies, and I ain't sharing.
NTodd
Now, I am hurt.
Too bad they'll never make the 356 again, which was about $21,000 in today's dollars. This one is two years younger than the '54 Cabriolet I had in the hazy past. Still have a piece of the back seat in my attic. I would hear the engine revving in my sleep.
http://www.carroantigo.com/
image...20cabriolet.JPG
Shouldn't have let that one get away.
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Flory, I have three Fords at this moment, all with 150K + on them. They are good cars.
My problem with the auto companies is that they have never figured out that you can make a small car with GOOD stuff. If you buy a small car, it does not have the same quality of parts as a larger one.
But our economy is tied to the auto industry: don't root too hard for them to fail, the consequences could be terrible.
DWD
UAW Local #8 (Former member)
Dave do you cut the MG short at 71 due to the dual carb change to the single?
what Mr Deere and I covet:
http://www.columbiascooters.com/
...#people250_mark
we're old, and we want something big and stable.
STY - what's your address? It would help if we could correspond directly to coordinate The Revolution...
I sort of thought like you and you are correct in many ways, however, the quality of many of the American auto products is shabby considering the cost to the point I gave up. That doesn't mean I jumped into buying foreign only, but where I used to be a Ford man only, I have allowed Nissan and Mazda to be on my shopping list as well.
EkCenTriK
I'm not saying there's necessarily anything wrong with that really. Actually, it's rather difficult to find a car that you can say is really an 'american' car. It's just the 'fuck american automaker' mentality that gets to me. The asians have many advantages that the home based makers don't. With all the people who depend on them for employment, to say things like they deserve to go belly up just boils my blood.
ar that got away was the 70 GTO, with the For Sale sign in the window,parked on the road home eachand every day as I was painti ng houses and saving $ for my road trip to the Golden State.
mint, that car was
I consider myself the lucky one.
four legs good
I guess that's why I heart you. You saved Maxx at great emotional and financial expense and consider yourself lucky. I admire and understand that.
There are only a couple of cars worth pursuing.
+ Shelby Cobra.
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...she flat-out said that it was worth it to be caught making shit up in a shoddy fasion because it drove traffic and raised her profile as an Important Blogger.
Of course, every other post that Atrios DIDN'T link to has appx. 0 comments.
Looks like usually, there's no "traffic" to "drive." Good luck, Ms. Batshitcrazy!
The Corolla scared the crap out of them.
The Corolla (and Corona; we had a '69 Corona that looked like a mini-limo) in the late '60s-early '70s set off a bomb under The Big 3, and they're still picking up pieces of their asses, and walking around with a dazed look on their faces. The cream of American business? Hell, GM makes most of it's money off other things than cars anymore, which a)shows it's true, and b) shows why they seem not to care.
I traded in my last Japanese car at 120k miles - it was 11 years old.
I've never had an American car last beyond about 80k.
Carburetors vs. fuel injection.
Seriously.
Better to be known as pantsless than pantsfull.
Eh...?
"The Corolla scared the crap out of them."
The other issue is how well supported the Japanese is by their warranties.
I remember one friend who had an early Honda Civic. There was a problem with the heads on some of those. The dealer instead of just shrugging their shoulders, got a honda engineer on the phone, Turns out that the Honda factory decided to replace the engines any of those civics that developed this problem.
Contrast and compare with what American Auto companies do with problems that were engineered into their products. Unless, it's something that's mandated to be fixed for safety or emissions. You have to try to unload your car, and hope the next one doesn't have another glitch in the product.
Are you implying that the panelists will be so crass as to not supply me with delicious cookies before we commence?
More to the point -- will the software in operation at the debate remember the cookies or will the panelists have to refresh the moderators stash every time they make a comment?
The asians have many advantages that the home based makers don't. With all the people who depend on them for employment, to say things like they deserve to go belly up just boils my blood.
Many of the Asian carmakers assemble the ir cars in the US (esp. Toyota) whereas the "American" manufactureres are jsut as likely to have their plants in Mexico as in the US (esp. GM).
Even Eruo makers like BMW have US based plants.
If the US car makers are wasting all this money on R&D that only ends up being "stolen" by foreign car makers, why don't the American car companies spend some of those millions Researching and Developing a Honda? I hear there's no such thing as a patent over there.
QuentinCompson,
Sorry. I cannot believe I left out the Cobra. Thank you for correcting me.
EkCenTriK,
That, and the safety regs that came into effect in the 70's really made the MG suffer, looks wise.
Hecate gave me these cookies, and I ain't sharing.
NTodd
Heh. And I have a pony you won't get for your stinking B-day or get a party ride on. So there, Mr. No-Pants!
To whomever asked above about the waiting list for a certain eco car -- there's a LOT of massive plant closures/shuffling going on that is contributing to the wait. Actually, one of the most anticipated cars coming up is a new corvette built to compare to the Viper. Gas prices and all, it's what folks want.
martoonis? Flory just how old are you?
EkCenTriK
Old enough to have a martooni if I want one...
:-P
another "LaShawn Moment" (brought to you by Preperation H, petroleum products that make you feel good about yourself, as a person):
Practically every day we hear of another roadside bomb killing Americans. A ragtag bunch of ignorant losers who want to have sex with 72 virgins against a military increasingly de-balled by an effete media and seemingly intimidated president. No contest. Why, in 2005 and with all that military hardware at our disposal, Bush sends our men into hand-to-hand combat situations with 8th century psychos who’d strap a bomb to a baby, is a mystery.
Even more mysterious is Bush’s “fair” immigration policy that allows terrorists, the very people we’re fighting in Iraq, to walk right across the southern border. Every time an American is killed for “freedom” in that stinking desert, I wonder how better served our country would be if he’d been here at home guarding his borders.
Mini cooper fuel consumption
Fuel Type Premium
MPG (city) 28
MPG (highway) 36
MPG (combined) 31
Annual Fuel Cost $1328
Doug,
that sux for a car that small.
my honDa did much better i'm sure, did i mention it rocked.
flory, my jeep reengineered after lee iacocca (sp) took over has 150,000 miles on it. very reliable. the great thing about japanese cars was they were cheap, got great mileage, and lasted. all still true, except the cheap part.
David (Austin Tx), you left out the the Opel GT
Think of it as a sort of spare Corvette...
Doozer,
I am torn on the Opel GT.
I like the looks, but Opel was not the best car company at the time.
They all have addresses.
Yes, and they get quite a chuckle when the serfs get all riled up.
What was it that Bush called 3/4 of a million people out in the streets of NYC to protest the war? Oh yeah, a focus group.
That's what we are to the CEOs of the world.
I see you're new here, Sty. I felt the same way when I first stumbled in the blogosphere, that the world was coming to an end, I had found a bastion of secret knowlege, and the folks here are discussing birthdays, pants, and whatever else was mentioned in that rant yesterday. But you know what? It's okay.
This has been going on for years, centuries, millenia in fact. The little guy against the big guy. Writing a diatribe to some CEO isn't going to solve the world's problems.
Relax.
Doozer
I remember when I used to laugh at those dinky Corollas. Then things changed.
One I remember specifically belonged to a guy who owned a small ranch. He drove it everywhere and I mean everywhere. The roof was crushed, the body dented beyond repair. The side windows were two sheets of plexi, one inside, one outside bolted together. It was obvious the car had been rolled and I asked him about it when I had an opportunity. He noted it was the third time he had rolled the car, once down a bit in a ravine. He actually travel the typical texas country side off road in the damn thing when he went about his property.
Amazing.
From some time ago...
Is that mission real?
Is it still there?
Both Mission San Juan Bautista (where "Madeline" "jumps") and Mission Dolores are real and still exist. Mission San Juan Bautista, however, has no bell tower, and so a glass painting of one was added to the exterior shots.
No prob, Dave. One of my funnest times was in 1965 when my buddy talked a car dealer into letting him test drive a new Cobra, 45 miles (!). I helped him pull it off, so he took me along. I should have worn a flight suit.
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My problem with the auto companies is that they have never figured out that you can make a small car with GOOD stuff. If you buy a small car, it does not have the same quality of parts as a larger one.
My comments were thru the prism of someone who only owns small cars. I will accept your experience with larger ones.
In an era of $3 gas -- people are gonna want small cars.
...thanx for the Diego Rivera pic.
You're welcome! Hope Walter gets to see them...
Hell, GM makes most of it's money off other things than cars anymore, which a)shows it's true, and b) shows why they seem not to care.
Doozer
All the American car companies -- as well as the American divisions of the Japanese companies, and GE -- make their money off their finance arms.
On Buster Keaton--I had a college roommate who specialized in Keaton, as related to film history, critical theory, fashion, you name it. He scoffed at some of my favorite sequences in Sleeper, and knew precisely the Keaton flicks they were lifted from. One was Allen in the inflatable suit being shot and air-propelled.
One of the few jokes in Last Tango in Paris was also a lift from BK (the bit with the sinking life preserver).
And this guy was murder to watch Daffy Duck with for the same reason.
No prob, Dave. One of my funnest times was in 1965 when my buddy talked a car dealer into letting him test drive a new Cobra, 45 miles (!). I helped him pull it off, so he took me along. I should have worn a flight suit.
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QuentinCompson
Are you coming to Eschacon?
If so, I would have to beat you up just for having that experience.
desi, if american car makers didn't make crap cars they wouldn't have problems competing.
Same old bullshit we went through in the 70's. U.S. automakers kept yelling, "buy American" even though they made shitty, gas guzzling cars and the *Japs* whooped our asses in the car market. I've said it before, cars can run on farking vegetable oil but the big OIL companies pretend this is a fantasy. Fuck 'em. They are full of shit. Did I cuss enough in this post, or would a little more enhance my rant?
"Yes, and they get quite a chuckle when the serfs get all riled up."
CEO compensation is one area that should really be discussed in detail for general public consumption.
But the other issue is profit for shareholders. In lieu of reasonable profit coupled with competent steerage of a company, the focus is on profit performance only. We do flog the employees too much but the real culprits in the game are the large holders of a stock or stocks. At what point does their dividend get decried as obscene?
Heh. And I have a pony you won't get for your stinking B-day or get a party ride on. So there, Mr. No-Pants!
bigvic
oh, oh.
Now he's gonna cry.
Better be prepared to buy a purty pitcher.
I don't really like the direction this thread has taken, what with rory getting upset about my cookies, and bigvic not giving me a pony ride. Maybe they're just namestealers trying to rile things up...?
Don't remember where I saw it, but there was a story about SUVs and how the profit margin on them is gigantic because of the way they're built. That's why they've been so aggressively marketed, and the sheep WILL follow.
There is something very wrong with an industry that can sleep at night while it markets gas-guzzling behemoths that are intrinsically dangerous to their drivers and other cars. They will not begin to act responsibly unless it's profitable to them to do so, and that is a goddamned shame. Or it would be if there were still such a thing as shame.
I admit to an anachronistic fondness for bands that perform in what they might wear to do laundry.
Doozer |
Doozer, I don't know if that qualifies as an anachronism. I think it's just appreciating music for its own sake without the extras.
SD
Ntodd,
You know, after the Hesiod blowup, many don't know what to think?
Maybe you are getting too big for you britches, since Hesiod seems threatened by your presence?
"that sux for a car that small. "
Go here...
federal fuel efficiency ratings
contrast and compare.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/
b...stworstNF.shtml
Better be prepared to buy a purty pitcher.
In case of NTodd crying, break glass.
Better to be known as pantsless than pantsfull.
Eh...?
Sarah Deere
Hahahahahaha. Adult diapers are the next "big thing."
One of the few jokes in Last Tango in Paris was also a lift from BK (the bit with the sinking life preserver).
That was from The Boat. The life preserver sank and the anchor floated.
another "LaShawn Moment" (brought to you by Preperation H, petroleum products that make you feel good about yourself, as a person):
let's move on from the car controversy. that bitch is too stupid to live. interestingly i partially agree with her statement, and yet find it impossible to support.
too fuckin' stupid to live. of course she doesn't accept negative feedback so no worries i've offended her "beautiful mind". jesus f'n christ, or sweet jesus save us?
I don't really like the direction this thread has taken
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But I still care. Even though I have a houseful of teenagers getting ready to watch Shaun of the Dead.
BTW, here's your "Awwwwwww" Photo of the Day!
'K, I won't talk about the auto industry anymore tonight. But, thanks all y'all for being folks that are worth talking with about even the things we disagree on.
Have some music on me:
http://greatscat.blogspot.com/20...5/08/
music.html
Awww, dave, fiona has bedhead.
Even though I have a houseful of teenagers getting ready to watch Shaun of the Dead.
Oh, that sounds fun. I had 5 here earlier, watching Reefer Madness. One remains, and she has crashed. God, I love teenagers and just-turned-twenties.
dave,
Do you take Rex the rabbit on walks with a leash? That would be cool to see.
If so, I would have to beat you up
Alas, I'll not be able to accommodate you for this one, but I'll take a rain check for Eschacon II.
(Being young and naive at the time, I thought it was stripped down, because it didn't have a real accelerator pedal, just a little metal thingy.)
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You know, after the Hesiod blowup, many don't know what to think?
Maybe you are getting too big for you britches, since Hesiod seems threatened by your presence?
Nonsense! How can I be too big for my britches when I don't wear any?
... fiona has bedhead.
Ha! My wife calls it that "sleepy-eyed-kitty look"...
God, I love teenagers and just-turned-twenties.
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Luckily for me, I do too. BPOE, as far as I'm concerned.
Dammit, Dave!
You keep upping the Awwww, hell, that's cute factor.
dave™©®
Awwww....!!!
Great kitties. I know they're lucky to be w/you as you are lucky to be w/them!
SD