HULK SMASH!!!

GravatarFrist on a Friday nite!


Gravatarluck o' da draw, i reckon


Gravatarthrice


GravatarCindy Sheehan speaks for ME!


GravatarCindy speaks for me too. She is my personal Rosa Parks.


GravatarIcould have been, but I went back to read the article.


Gravatarhttp://www.barbneal.com/wav/tvth...emes/ cheers.wav



GravatarCindy Sheehan ought to shut it down. Take a rest. It's turning into the circus we all feared it would be, with the counter-demonstration and Al Sharpton, the soap-opera angle with her Mom's stroke. Joan Baez (bless her heart). I say, with all respect, get a little counseling (Cindy, not Joan). It really will help.

We need to get on to either prevailing in Iraq (and I know it's Hail Mary time) or some semblance of 'peace with honor'. It's time to concentrate on that, if only for the incredible men and women who are fighting over there.

I know this seems blasphemous to some, but there are other ways to do the anti-war thing. If you don't agree, it's time to check your head. We need to get those people home.

/arf


Gravatarwow I can breath again

PS Go Cindy...


GravatarSheehan was great on Maher.

I never saw her speak before without some talking head throwing bullshit Republicon talking points at her.

She seems really sweet and genuine.


GravatarNoam Sane | 08.26.05 - 11:48 pm | #

You justed repeated almost word for word Tucker Carlon's argument.

Tucker, is that you? Maybe when they cancel you they'll give Cindy Sheehan your time slot on MSNBC.


GravatarIt's turning into the circus we--

Awwwwwwww... a concern troll! The cutest, bestest troll of all!

You stand there, sweetie, while I get my flamethrower...


GravatarNoam Sane...Take a rest.


Gravatar[carves troll-warding rune on thread]


GravatarYou justed repeated almost word for word Tucker Carlon's argument.



LOL!


Gravatar Cindy Sheehan ought to shut it down.

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

(nods to dave™©®)


GravatarConcern Trolls kinda like Care Bears, only they smell like raw sewage and are professional victims.


GravatarAwwwwwwww... a concern troll! The cutest, bestest troll of all!


Concern trolls remind me of the kind of friend you had in college who'd "advise" you that the girl you had a crush on was "too pretty for you" and you should "settle for something more realistic" or risk being rejected.


Gravatarmoveon.org has a petition to sign to keep the estate tax.

http://www.moveonpac.org/estatetax/

sign it and share it!

just think how much armor for soldiers in iraq could be funded with the paris hilton tax! and to paraphrase bill maher, "if you have to tax, you might as well tax dead, rich people."


GravatarAnd remember, kids - You don't "support the troops" when you support the LIES that KILL THEM!


GravatarWe need to get on to either prevailing in Iraq (and I know it's Hail Mary time) or some semblance of 'peace with honor'.

Did a time warp from 1971 suddenly open?


GravatarI always get on these things exactly when they're over. WHAAAAAHH!!


furthermore, I sometimes think up some seemingly eloquent things... try to put it to the keyboard it always looks sophmoric at best if not downright moronic, so my apologies for that.


along those lines...


Reading lately, an article about DU, monstrous stuff, how badly it guarbles DNA, fish stock evolution overfishing produces the lowest remaing denomitator, you almost have to then actively fish off the worst thats become the norm, so that some semblance of the (former) mean returns, well its all kinda wacked I don't really want to put together what the DU, no I Duh (ID) crowds doing,

well there's the orbital vague version of whats crossing the cranium.. Not entirely sure this is anywhere I should go. just bothering me lately.

concerning long term damage, everybody exposed to the stuff, well you get it, maybe.

very deeply disturbing stuff
anybody?

pasted from last,
a little buzzed,

A new sheet cool.


GravatarMy batses, I'm going to bed. After a long day of describing a redtail hawk (four-foot wingspan!) in my alley (!) to everyone I meet and drinking whiskey while a raccoon toddles up to the ground-level birdbath within ten feet of me, well, I'm just about done in. I'm going to go snuggle up with the spouse and a couple of cats. That's all the critters I need.

Night, batses.


GravatarConcern trolls remind me of the kind of friend you had in college who'd "advise" you that the girl you had a crush on was "too pretty for you" and you should "settle for something more realistic" or risk being rejected.

Following that conversation, you invariably walked in on the two of them having wild sex involving stiletto heels, whips, and firm vegetables...


GravatarCindy is BEAUTIFUL.


Gravatarnoam, what do you mean, we? we have only the power that we take. we have been allowed almost none, and the right-wing rdical extremists that run the show are doing their level best to take any of our tools of freedom away. Cindy Sheehan has an exit strategy, putting her way ahead of Chimpy. She'll be gone mid-week, on her way to Washington, and she will pick up more as she goes. She needs no counseling, she's taking action and working out her pain and frustration, and feeling like she's doing something positive in Casey's memory. She has been largely responsible for Chimpy's precipitous drop in the polls, because she has people thinking about the real aspects of war, always dangerous for the warmongers. You should get behind her and support her. Or offer some reasonable alternative that has a chance of getting these folks home. Otherwise you're shootin' yer mouth off. And belittling peoples' 1st Amendment obligations.


GravatarEven'n all! Looks like that last thread went right on over the cliff. I just returned from our local AAR affiliate's first birthday bash, featuring the luminous Randi Rhodes. Don't listen to her self-deprecations: she is one very attractive and charismatic woman.

I don't know what exactly the station was thinking, but roughly three times as many people showed up as the 400 they had planned for. They held it at a local inn, and basically let in the first 400, then only let people in as others came out. However, after she had given a pep talk inside, Randi came out with a stack of photos and started signing autographs and chatting with everyone outside. She was still meeting and greeting when I left.

Hanging out with that many like-minded people is amazingly liberating. I met one guy who grown up in Poland in the 30's and escaped with his family in 1940! He had several things to say about what it's like to live among true Fascists, most notably that many of the German people under Hitler professed to have no idea that they were living in a fascist regime but simply went along with the program.

I talked with another woman who had driven 60 miles with her husband to be there- she said she used to be a moderate Republican (both sides of their families are pretty hardcore rightwing), but now she is a Democrat but doesn't feel she moved all that much. Her husband had 21 years of service in the Army and had many choice words for the likes of our chickenhawk leaders.

What was so amazing was that these are all people who actually listen to AAR and so know that most of the bullshit in the mass media is worse than useless. I overheard more than one person stating some version of "I feel sorry for her and her family, but can they please shut the fuck up about Natalee Holloway?"

My kind of peoples.


GravatarDoes the admalistration have to buy suits with, like, 15 pairs of pants? For all that liar, liar stuff they do?

36%


Gravatar36%

Heh.


GravatarFor all that liar, liar stuff they do?

Two words. Nomex thong.

Alright, three words: Cheney Nomex Thong.


Gravatarronjazz,

Well met brother!


Gravatar Cindy Sheehan ought to shut it down.

Yeah, Las Madres gave up after a coupla weeks, too. They needed to get on with their lives and make crisp decisions...


Gravatar Cindy Sheehan ought to shut it down.

Yeah, Las Madres gave up after a coupla weeks, too. They needed to get on with their lives and make crisp decisions...


GravatarTosh. First chance I get I'm going to steal all his pants and replace them with purple leggings...
NTodd |


you fiend!


Gravatarhere's one from my multipurpose bird feeder. Have an owl that sits on alimb about 5 ft. about the feeder waiting for chimpmunks. owl


GravatarI just downloaded the famous "9/11" episode of The Lone Gunmen. First twenty minutes are boring, but after that it's a mind blower.


Gravatars: Cheney Nomex Thong.
Dan McEnroe |


another band name


GravatarJeebus, Dan, scary pictures in my head. Shit, dude, now I have to have another hit.


Thanks...


Gravatarolexicon - have I ever claimed to be otherwise?


GravatarFunny, I don't smell like a troll.

Hey, I couldn't be more on your side. I'm a total lefty. Tucker Carlson is a schmuck, but at least he had the balls to admit he was wrong about the war.

Anyway, if you check the polls, you'll see that she isn't resonating in general with people. It looks like a loser, politically, in the long term and may turn out to be a rope thrown to an administration that is drowning in it's own incompetence.

You have to think with your head rather than your heart sometimes, and I'm just saying this might be one of those times. Having said that, I will support her totally in anything she does. If you're doing that, make sure you make equal effort in supporting the troops. Donate to the right places, do what you can with your time.


Gravatar36% Heh. Central Scrutinizer

1000 Helens agree: 2/3 of the US realize Bush sucks.


Gravatar s: Cheney Nomex Thong.
Dan McEnroe |


another band name
olexicon, cromulent thinker


I was thinking Nomex Jock Strap might be better.

I don't know about Cheney Nomex Jock Strap though.


GravatarCindy Sheehan--when I see her, I think, there but for the grace of the divine go I.


GravatarGo Kinky----

Maybe what we all need is more Texas Jewish wisdom. Sounded like comic relief but the guy sounded like a sage compared to Rick Perry.


GravatarOwls are way cool.


Gravatarolexicon - have I ever claimed to be otherwise?
NTodd


nein
will you be stealing them from the set of "fame"


GravatarI'm a total lefty.

What's a "total lefty"?


GravatarEvening all.....


Not clever, but it's all I've got....


GravatarAlright, three words: Cheney Nomex Thong.

Three words right back at you:

:::I just whupsed my cookies all over my freakin keyboard:::

Ok, gotta go scrub out my third eye with steel wool.

brb



Gravatarnight cats and kitties and pirahna's


peace and humptiness forever


GravatarKenosha Kid--I've got the videos but haven't watched them yet.


Gravatargood evening moonbaticus realiti


GravatarIs this the purple thread of freedom?


GravatarWhat's a "total lefty"?
SWR


a lefty who is sponsored by total cereal

that is all


Gravatarnoam: which polls in particular?


GravatarHey Central--you still boiling on the plains?


GravatarAnyway, if you check the polls, you'll see that she isn't resonating in general with people.

I disagree. Only 55% of the country is paying attention, and yet she's at 35/38. Not bad for a private citizen. And given how she's driving the wingnuts into fits, that's proof positive she's doing the right thing.

As Gandhi said, "First they ignore
you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

The media ignored her at first. Then people laughed at this lone, grieving mother who braved the heat, humidity and t-storms to hold her vigil. Then they began to smear her.

And now more and more people join her every day, while the regime refuses to "yield" to her "demands". Combined with the fact that 60% of Americans think the war is a mistake, she's providing the necessary spark.


Gravatar I just downloaded the famous "9/11" episode of The Lone Gunmen.

Off to torrentspy!


GravatarMaybe what we all need is more Texas Jewish wisdom. Sounded like comic relief but the guy sounded like a sage compared to Rick Perry.
Toes


I don't know how much of a compliment that is. Most people sound more eloquent than Gov. Goodhair.


GravatarCindy speaks for me too. She is my personal Rosa Parks.
Dr.Franklin


Me, too.

Hey, I really LIKE this guy!


GravatarRipley--no, this is the thread where I talk dirty to you.


GravatarIt's the episode amusingly titled "Pilot" - the fact that it aired in March 2001 makes the whole thing unbelievably creepy.


GravatarIf you don't agree, it's time to check your head. We need to get those people home.

/arf
Noam Sane |

Fuck off, okay?


GravatarYou can whine about "concern trolls" all you want but Noam Sane is right. Sheehan doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end. Yeah, what she is doing makes a lot of feel good because she is making Bush uncomfortable but that is a really shortsighted and stupid reason to rally to her.
Maybe if it were closer to election time where there was less of a window for her to screw up and say something stupid, then that would be better. But in the end she is going to come across as a flake. A pitiable flake perhaps, but a flake non the less.


GravatarTom Delay then and now

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The president began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the president started this thing, and there still is no plan today.”

Today, when explaining why he wouldn't meet with Sheehan

“Mr. DeLay disagrees with those who believe we should give the terrorists the timeline they want and simply cut and run from the war in Iraq,” said DeLay spokeswoman Shannon Flaherty.


GravatarWe need to get on to either prevailing in Iraq (and I know it's Hail Mary time) or some semblance of 'peace with honor'.

it ain't hail mary time...all the prayers are turned to sand in their mouths...it's hail fuckin' NO time, cully...no time like the present to

get on a plane, jane
drive off in a van, dan
haul your gear aboard ship, chip
climb on the tank, hank
jump in the bradley, hadley
summon the fleet, clete
if ya gotta, hike, mike
catch a seat on a bus, gus
flag down a taxi, maxey
comandeer some cars, lars
mount up a truck, chuck
load it on a camel, jamal
if it works, piggyback, jack

just get the fuck out...


GravatarWhat's a "total lefty"?
SWR


Maybe like me? I am so left handed, that I can't do really do anything with my right hand.


GravatarI'm going to the store, you guys sit tight. Anyone need anything? A real President, an un-corruptible Congress critter, a noble cause?

God is my co-commentor, so don't go sneaking off to dKos while I'm gone.


GravatarOwls are way cool.
ronjazz


Love the white ones!


GravatarSallyh,

Coolest and wettest August on record.

89 today, and that's as warm as it's been for a week or so. Humidity still sucks though.

I'm glad to see that you survived the family thing!


GravatarAddison--I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree.

Matt Taibbi gives a terrific description of Camp Casey in the Rolling Stone article, where he actually talks with Ms. Sheehan.

She's a mom.


Gravatar"We need to get on to either prevailing in Iraq (and I know it's Hail Mary time) or some semblance of 'peace with honor'."


I think I'll barf now!


Gravatar You can whine about "concern trolls" all you want but Noam Sane is right.

Mr. Hilter, he is right!


GravatarSallyh, are you still here?
Got a couple of questions for you if you've got the time.


GravatarSallyh, are you still here?
Got a couple of questions for you if you've got the time.


GravatarBoy, they're out here in droves...

...I feel so....cared for, y'know?


GravatarSounded like comic relief but the guy sounded like a sage compared to Rick Perry.

Carrot Top sounds like a sage compared to Rick Perry.


GravatarUm, what our not-a-troll-but-an-amazing-simulation friend is missing here is the realization that Cindy Sheehan is not a political operative and her actions are not political theater. She is not making strategic decisions for the long term blah blah blah - she is acting out of the core of her being and people are drawn to her for that reason. Her beingness is the kind of authenticity a party operative could only hope to see. It's not about fucking politics.

Aside from telling us how much you care and complaining that she is 'hurting the cause', what are you doing from the core of your being to improve things?


GravatarYeah, what she is doing makes a lot of feel good because she is making Bush uncomfortable but that is a really shortsighted and stupid reason to rally to her.


No. You're projecting.

The site of a mother who's lost her son doesn't make any of us "feel good".

If it makes you "feel good" you need to examine why.


GravatarSheehan doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end.

Oh, that's bullshit and you know it.


GravatarAddison: You can whine about "concern trolls" all you want but Noam Sane is right


No, he's wrong and so are you!


GravatarUmmm... sorry about my rudeness and all in the thread below. I wish I had access to ANY cunt. Even a dumb one.


GravatarIs there a better phrase than total lefty? Utmost liberal? Terrorist-coddling commie symp? Help me out.

Man, I've been poking around here a long time, but post something semi-provocative and everybody's fangs come out.

Shit. I just want to win some elections.


GravatarMaybe like me? I am so left handed, that I can't do really do anything with my right hand.

Ned Flanders has the store for you!


GravatarDoug--certainly.


GravatarIs there a better phrase than total lefty? Utmost liberal? Terrorist-coddling commie symp? Help me out.


Concern Troll?


GravatarYeah, what she is doing makes a lot of feel good because she is making Bush uncomfortable but that is a really shortsighted and stupid reason to rally to her.

bullshit, cully

what she's doing is fucking right, correct, and altogether proper. i rally to hwer because she's the only one in the country speaking truth to power who's not also already compromised by a fucking coprotate paycheck...

Cindy speaks for me...

The USA is worth fighting and dying for...

the Busheviks....um, well, really, not so much...

.


GravatarCentral--I made it a point to have cocktails every evening.


GravatarMaybe like me? I am so left handed, that I can't do really do anything with my right hand.
David (Austin Tx)


ditto, except for swinging a golf club, I'm a total lefty


GravatarFor our concerned trolls:

Las Madres.

Rosenstrasse.

Get a clue.


Gravatar[carves troll-warding rune on thread]
Dan McEnroe | 08.26.05 - 11:50 pm |


Ummm... sorry about my rudeness and all in the thread below. I wish I had access to ANY cunt. Even a dumb one.
Gordon The Magnificent


Here he is again. Spent nine days hanging in that damn tree for nothing...


GravatarI love Cindy.


GravatarWoody:

As usual, you cut right through the bullshit to the heart of the matter.

The naysayers have NO idea what they're talking about.


GravatarNTodd--

acting as if the concern trolls have a shred of sincerity (or any concern about what is "bullshit" and what isn't) is noble of you, but a waste of time.


GravatarMatthew--how's the little guy doing?


GravatarI anxiously await the next concerned stranger to agree with the first concerned stranger. That will be swell!


GravatarGandhi doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end. Yeah, what he is doing makes a lot of feel good because she is making the British uncomfortable but that is a really shortsighted and stupid reason to rally to him.


Gravatar82nd! I'm almost EARLY.


GravatarYou just repeated almost word for word Tucker Carlson's argument.



Tucker Carlson IS a dick!


GravatarKing doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end. Yeah, what he is doing makes a lot of feel good because she is making the segregationists uncomfortable but that is a really shortsighted and stupid reason to rally to him.
NTodd


Gravatar Gandhi doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end.

Remember when people in the Civil Rights Movement warned MLK not to speak out about Vietnam? And he went ahead and took the risk anyway?

Who in the mainstream is going to take that risk now? I've heard some good things from Feingold and Gary Hart and even Hagel but none of them really has the moral authority MLK had.


GravatarAddison
The wingnuts have already done their worst regarding Sheehan. If they could have unveiled bigger guns on her they would have and I think it would have failed. The only way for Sheehan to harm our cause is if they somehow link her to communists or terrorists and they've tried that already to no evail. It failed.
They've pulled out the family members that are against here which also backfired because in the minds of some people how could these people really be family or concerned family if they would so easily betray the mother of Casey Sheehan. As far as I am concerned the wingnuts went out of their way to find any relation possible, wether it was an aunt or uncle, or some distant third cousin who probably never met Casey in their lives. All of it to smear her.

I say let them try cause right now the wingnuts are doing everything they can to make sure she's ignored and made into old news because they have nothing to attacker her with. If they should do anything more severe than what they've done already it simply puts her and her story back into the limelight and they want to avoid that outcome as much as possible.

MYOB'
.


GravatarI've had a few interesting days, trying and I think being sucessfull getting my son situated in school. He did something odd at the last moment, right after he had the orientation talk about the writers program, he came out and said to me, that he wanted to change majors, to Physics.

I'm not that worried except that I want to do whatever I can to make sure he doesn't wash out of it. He's got the brain horsepower, to do this but I'm not sure he's got the motivation to pull this off. At U of M the Physics majors help run the research projects so, he's got to become competent at Physics, Astronomy (the real subject love of the department chair. his name is Dr. Friend) programing maths, and still fill the other subject obligations for the major, which really there is almost a dual one. Only a few credits is necessary to get a Physics/astronomy major from that dept.

Got any advice for me to pass on?


Gravatar"Squeaky" Johnson makes a huge big enormous announcement about "Pajamas Media"!

It's finally arrived!!!!

Go look!

www.pajamasmedia.com


And tremble!!!


Not.


GravatarAh, good evening, children. Worked late, home after 8PM, but the next four days are MINE.

Yee-ha, so to speak.


GravatarIs there a better phrase than total lefty? Utmost liberal? Terrorist-coddling commie symp? Help me out.


Concern Troll?
SWR


I think that is it. Because it is the Concern Troll, who claims to be a "Total Lefty"


GravatarYeah, and that Rosa Parks is wasting her time...they're just gonna make her get off the bus, and then where will she be?


Gravatarsally

Devon is doing good and is starting to get used to the au pair...she's been with us for a week now. The Au Pair is ready to go back to Denmark until it cools down a bit though, I think. I converted the temperature the other day for her, and when she heard me say 41 degrees, she nearly fainted.


GravatarJesus doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end. Yeah, what he is doing makes a lot of us feel good because he is making the Romans uncomfortable but that is a really shortsighted and stupid reason to rally to him.


GravatarWe need to get on to either prevailing in Iraq (and I know it's Hail Mary time) or some semblance of 'peace with honor'.

Did a time warp from 1971 suddenly open?
Thers


Exactly!

When I read it, I thought "Cripes, how Nixonian!"

Peace with honor! Please!


GravatarTucker who?
Anyone thats on when Jon Stewart is on,doesnt exist.


Gravatarok - i left a very good ball-game because i sensed someone commenting here with a semi-provocative post what was it ? and it better not be a fake concern troll...


GravatarTom Jefferson doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end. Yeah, what he is doing makes a lot of us feel good because he is making King George uncomfortable but that is a really shortsighted and stupid reason to rally to him.


GravatarRemember when people in the Civil Rights Movement warned MLK not to speak out about Vietnam? And he went ahead and took the risk anyway?


At times like that, I re-read his letter from Birmingham jail.

I many nascent leaders both famous and infamous honed their logic when behind bars...? ...like Guantanamo?


GravatarRemember when people in the Civil Rights Movement warned MLK not to speak out about Vietnam? And he went ahead and took the risk anyway?

Indeed.


GravatarYou may call him a concern trool, but Howard Johnson is right!


GravatarRemember when people in the Civil Rights Movement warned MLK not to speak out about Vietnam? And he went ahead and took the risk anyway?

and they killed him for it...
.


GravatarDid a time warp from 1971 suddenly open?


The government's tweaking of daylight-savings-time can't cover-up the fact they've been screwing with the continuum for years now.


GravatarSheehan doesn't help us.

I disagree. Regardless of whether people personally approve of her, by forcing the endlessly vacationing Bush into a position where he has to respond to her, the more he ends up revealing to the world what a heartless, venal dickhead he actually is. The message that is being made is that this is a man that puts "getting on with his life" above the troops.


GravatarAh, good evening, children. Worked late, home after 8PM, but the next four days are MINE.

And a finer place to spend it you will not find.

Hiya, SD. {waves}


GravatarGot any advice for me to pass on? Doug

What year is your son?


GravatarYou can whine about "concern trolls" all you want but Noam Sane is right.
Sheehan doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end.


Horseshit.

Bush's poll numbers have gone down
in direct correlation with Sheehan's
public face.


GravatarOh great, now Sheehan is Jefferson and Ghandi all rolled up into one. You people are in for a real disappointment =/


GravatarFranklin D. Roosevelt doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end. Yeah, what he is doing makes a lot of us feel good because he is making Adolf Hitler uncomfortable but that is a really shortsighted and stupid reason to rally to him.


GravatarI remember doing the time warp.


Gravatar"What year is your son?
JeffCO"

freshman, still 17 years old.


GravatarAbe Lincoln doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end. Yeah, what he is doing makes a lot of us feel good because he is making the Slave States uncomfortable but that is a really shortsighted and stupid reason to rally to him.


GravatarI many nascent leaders both famous and infamous honed their logic when behind bars...?Darryl...

Gramsci's best remembered for his Prison Notebooks (before Mussolini killed him)...


GravatarEach day the war goes on the hatred increases in the hearts of the Vietnamese and in the hearts of those of humanitarian instinct. The Americans are forcing even their friends into becoming their enemies. It is curious that the Americans, who calculate so carefully on the possibilities of military victory, do not realize that in the process they are incurring deep psychological and political defeat. The image of America will never again be the image of revolution, freedom, and democracy, but the image of
violence and militarism.



Each day the war goes on the hatred increases in the hearts of the Iraqis and in the hearts of those of humanitarian instinct. The Americans are forcing even their friends into becoming their enemies. It is curious that the Americans, who calculate so carefully on the possibilities of military victory, do not realize that in the process they are incurring deep psychological and political defeat. The image of America will never again be the image of revolution, freedom, and democracy, but the image of violence and militarism.


GravatarOK, two Hitler comments. I win big-time. See Godwin.


GravatarYou may call him a concern trool, but Howard Johnson is right!
H. G. Bergeron



Oh, Lord - can we defeat our enemies?

Or are we just jerking off?


GravatarTakin' my nomex thong and going to bed...


GravatarDo the concern trolls really think we're that stupid...

...or is it, perhaps, that they're so drunk on their own stunted version of history that they're completely clueless about how obvious their bullshit is?


Gravatar...and they killed him for it.

And Robert Kennedy talked about it.


Gravatar Oh great, now Sheehan is Jefferson and Ghandi all rolled up into one. You people are in for a real disappointment =/
Las Madres.

Rosenstrasse.

Bush = 36%.


GravatarNoam said 'shit'. must be a total lefty. an zero righty would never say 'shit'. they might say 'fuck you' on the floor of the US senate but never 'shit'.


GravatarOK, two Hitler comments. I win big-time. See Godwin.
Noam Sane


Didn't realize this was a contest!


GravatarI win big-time

Actually, you lose for giving yourself up so quickly. Poseur troll!


GravatarNoam's been around before and I never noticed any troll tendencies. The jury is still out on Mrs Sheehan (it seems to me a lot of people are not paying much attention), but I think he's wrong to say she should bail.

Mrs Sheehan seems to be handling herself pretty well-- but what happens once George goes back to DC without seeing her? What is the plan then?


GravatarI anxiously await the next concerned stranger to agree with the first concerned stranger. That will be swell!
Ther

I would but I've yet to meet anyone stranger than me.


GravatarYou can whine that he's a concern trool, but Gabby Johnson's right!

Gabby: Rrrrrbrrrr!


Gravatar OK, two Hitler comments. I win big-time. See Godwin.

Sorry, Godwin's Law was suspended years ago.


GravatarGramsci's best remembered for his Prison Notebooks

Thanks!

...something else to research.

Really, thanks.


GravatarIndeed.
NTodd -- 12:22 am


Amy G played this the other week, iirc...

it never fails to move me, and i've listened to it probably a dozen times./..


GravatarOh great, now Sheehan is Jefferson and Ghandi all rolled up into one. You
people are in for a real disappointment =/
Addison | 08.27.05 - 12:24 am | #


36, asshole.


GravatarI win big-time.

What did you win?


See Godwin.

Godwin doesn't apply anymore.

Haven't you been paying attention?


GravatarCindy Sheehan is what she is.
She's not mine and not the means to a political end.
I don't know how it will turn out and frankly don't care I just want her to see it to the end whatever that is for her.


GravatarCindy Sheehan is what she is.
She's not mine and not the means to a political end.
I don't know how it will turn out and frankly don't care I just want her to see it to the end whatever that is for her.


GravatarOh great, now Sheehan is Jefferson and Ganhdi all rolled up into one. You people are in for a real disappointment =/
Addison



Nobody here said anything of the sort.


Gravatar"You can whine about "concern trolls" all you want but Noam Sane is right.
Sheehan doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end. "


This is versus what ?, the current leader of the free world. I think I can deal with a bit of blow back from a Mother who lost their child and stood up versus a vacationing wimp who has all the empathy of a chunk of concrete.


GravatarMrs Sheehan seems to be handling herself pretty well-- but what happens once George goes back to DC without seeing her? What is the plan then?

She's planning on moving up to DC...


Gravatar OK, two Hitler comments. I win big-time. See Godwin.

Sounds a bit like Ted "Ad Hominem - I Win!" Smith...

Full disclosure: I am completely pro-Cindy, but the crowd of people around her now makes me uneasy, and I think it draws the focus away from her and diminishes her impact as an anguished, solitary figure.

But it's still a lot better than no Cindy at all.


GravatarOh, and now he's "disappointed" in us...

And invoking Godwin and declaring victory...my, how concerned he is!


Noam: fuck off. I say this with utmost concern for you.


Gravatar"all the empathy of a chunk of concrete"

Hey, don't insult concrete. It's a very usefull building material, which is more then I can say about chimpy.


Gravatar36%


Gravatar Oh great, now Sheehan is Jefferson and Ganhdi all rolled up into one. You people are in for a real disappointment =/
Addison


Actually nobody said that.

But I've heard almost every right wing pundit on cable news compare Bush to Winston Churchill.

As if Churchill spent the Boer War at home sucking his thumb.


GravatarHey, flory, agreed.

Mr Deere takes every Fri eve off to go listen to local blues bands. Me, I co uld care less about the blues, basically. It all sounds alike to me. Minmd. I don';t mean Stevie Ray, but the less than wonderful stuff. He likes the scene, has done it for yrs. Some is good, some not so much, but he enjoys being out there.

As long as lets the horse get him back to the barn, I say, let him have fun (not that it's up to me what he does - nor up to him what I do - but I mean that I'm not being an asshole about it!)There should always be some space in our Togetherness


GravatarGramsci's best remembered for his Prison Notebooks

Thanks!

...something else to research.

Really, thanks.
Darryl Pearce


short version.

Gramsci's a really cute little kitty letting rorshach share his house.


GravatarOh, Lord - can we defeat our enemies?
Or are we just jerking off?


He said, the sheriff is near!

Gabby: Rrrrrrrbrrrrrr!

Samuel Johnson is right!


GravatarI am completely pro-Cindy, but the crowd of people around her now makes me uneasy, and I think it draws the focus away from her and diminishes her impact as an anguished, solitary figure.

By herself, she's just one grieving mother. She needs to build support. Las Madres started as 14 mothers, and ended up bringing down a brutal regime.


GravatarSheehan doesn't help us, and could actually end up hurting us in the end.



NOTHING ELSE HAS WORKED.

Are we supposed to do a Twitney Spears and not question Preznit Fuckwad?

I think not!


GravatarDoug

I stand corrected,

he has all the empathy of the excreted contents of a neo-con, republican, radical extremist pissant.


GravatarOh, Lord - can we defeat our enemies?
Or are we just jerking off?

He said, the sheriff is near!

Gabby: Rrrrrrrbrrrrrr!

Samuel Johnson is right!
H. G. Bergeron |


Let me whip this out!


GravatarShe's planning on moving up to DC...

With a quick stop at Tom "does this cash in my pockets make my ass look corrupt?" deLay's office, on the way.


GravatarI am completely pro-Cindy, but the crowd of people around her now makes me uneasy.


Those folks are not out to make YOU feel comfortable.


Gravatar and ended up bringing down a brutal regime.


Yeah..., but it was our brutal regime.


GravatarFull disclosure: I am completely pro-Cindy, but the crowd of people around her now makes me uneasy, and I think it draws the focus away from her and diminishes her impact as an anguished, solitary figure.

I feel the same way.

The more people crowd around her, the more her story is drowned out and the easier it becomes to caricature her as a tool of the radical left.

Sharpton showing up is not a good thing.


GravatarNick, thanks for the shout. I don't get the level of venom, but whatever. Those who disagree with me, I sincerely hope you're right. As in correct. I'm going to bed.

(PS, I knew the Tricky Dick reference when I wrote it, it was shorthand for 'get the fuck and try not to look like complete assholes'. Which I know is a long-shot).


Gravatar OK, two Hitler comments. I win big-time. See Godwin.
Noam Sane


See NTodd's message above.





Damn you NTodd for beating me to that point.


GravatarA reference to "Mr Hilter" now trips off Godwin's Law?

Has it been broadened to include Monty Python sketches now?


GravatarAs in correct. I'm going to bed.


AND NOW I'M LEAVING !!!


GravatarWith a quick stop at Tom "does this cash in my pockets make my ass look corrupt?" deLay's office, on the way.
Ripley


Maybe she should dress like a cockroach.

Or better yet act braindead and have someone wheel her in on a gurney.

That MIGHT get Bugman's attention.


GravatarNoam, there's absolutely no reason to think the richest, most powerful, best armed, most militaristic, least scrupled regime on earth could not quite competently create and implement its own variety of fascism, which is already the envy of the world, and still--for the sake of comparison--strew the discourse with references to Hitler, and the nazis...

the germans, too, never admitted--til they were seeking absolution--that they were willing captives of fascism...
i wonder if we'll get that chance?
.


GravatarDante: "The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in a time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality."


GravatarAs in correct. I'm going to bed.



Don't let the door hit you in the ass!


Gravataroh, jeebus, sharpton showed up???

Have these people no fucking SHAME?

Apparently not, They've got the Jesse Jackson syndrome.

The only one who can do that successfully is Jimmy Carter, IMHO.


GravatarDarryl Pearce

Nice line, I have two friends that I can use that on.


GravatarI'm going to bed.

So...what's the over-and-under on how many comments before our concern troll shows up again?


GravatarThe only one who can do that successfully is Jimmy Carter, IMHO.

And Viggo Mortenson.


Gravatarwell i envy you people your cozy space, wish i had one of my own.

I mean that literally no offense to anybody.


I can't help thinking about everybody in that godforsaken country & all of the poor kids sent there by megalomaniacal wingnuts all of whom are getting one thoroughly DNA scrambling mutagenetic experience from it. I geuss what I was afraid to say earlier is that for people who are terrified of the concept evolution, its ironic that they've funded the most expensive, (in evey way imaginable) humanly intimate experiment in it, in the history of the world. Depeleted Uranium design theory, case studies, Kosovo, Afganistan, market penetration achieved in Iraq

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site...n/article/2298/


GravatarDante: "The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in a time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality."
Darryl Pearce


yeah, fuck the swiss...although I remember it being quite cool there...


GravatarEkCenTriK-- I use it as a motivator... for myself often enough.


GravatarTrolly will be back with a different name in 3.. 2.. 1....


GravatarBy herself, she's just one grieving mother. She needs to build support. Las Madres started as 14 mothers, and ended up bringing down a brutal regime.
NTodd

But weren't they Madres and not Padres...???


GravatarThose who disagree with me, I sincerely hope you're right.



Better than sitting around waiting for Bush to grow a conscience and have his brain finally start up.


GravatarThanks Terry! Fuck you!


GravatarWhen I consider people like MLK or Gandhi, I am first stunned by their forthrightness and their will to speak and to act. I thingk that I could never be like them.

Then I remind myself that they got where they were by the struggle of thousands upon thousands whom history will never name.

I am glad to be one of those nameless, as are all of you--small acts, talking to those around you, donating time and money--drops in an expanding ocean, that, as MLK said, "speed up the day, all over America and all over the world, when justice will roll down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."


Good evening, Bats o' the Moon, I'm glad to be with y'all tonight.


GravatarSo are you guys that good at textual analysis to figure out which idiot in the last thread was me? Are my writing glitches (of which I'd admit, are many. My own son chortles at my lack of writing skills.) that identifiable? That much of a signature?


GravatarI anxiously await the next concerned stranger to agree with the first concerned stranger. That will be swell!


I really agree that the first concerned stranger was swell and even though I'm strange I agree and anyway, where the hell are the cheetos?


MAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!


GravatarHere is something that someone may want to get, to do some wicked voodoo.


http://www.csbcommodities.com/


Gravatar"Better than sitting around waiting for Bush to grow a conscience and have his brain finally start up."

Shiavo had a better chance of that happening.


Gravataryeah, fuck the swiss...



Those bastards - taking Holocaust victims' money and keeping it!


GravatarTrolly will be back with a different name in 3.. 2.. 1....

DEFINITELY before the 2nd half of Duck Dodgers!


GravatarSharpton showing up is not a good thing.

Unfortunately she doesn't have the resources the president does to keep herself surrounded with perfect photo ops.


GravatarNoam Sane | 08.27.05 - 12:37 am | #

Well that didn't take long.

p.s. Let me play along with you and pretend you're serious. How exactly am I supposed to get Cindy Sheehan to "go home". Write her a letter? Are supposed to bring out a petition?


GravatarThe more people crowd around her, the more her story is drowned out and the
easier it becomes to caricature her as a tool of the radical left.

Sharpton showing up is not a good thing.
flory, Business Manager | Email | 08.27.05 - 12:32 am | #


Excuse me kids, but none of that
matters: the SCLM will swift boat
her no matter what she actually says,
or whoever is around her.

Fortunately, it's not working this
time around.


GravatarHere is something that someone may want to get, to do some wicked voodoo.



Now go do that voodoo that you do so well!


GravatarLas Madres.

Rosenstrasse.

Bush = 36%.
NTodd

NTodd, from your post to the eyes of god.


Gravatar Dante: "The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in a time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality."

D.H. Lawrence: "...It was neutrality, brought to a remarkable pitch."


GravatarThanks Terry! Fuck you!
Noam Sane



Charming!


GravatarYeah, GoTo, I was just locking up when your mom stopped in. I'll be 'up' for a while.


Gravatar"SCLM will swift boat
her no matter what she actually says,
or whoever is around her"

She has to be someone who feels she has something to lose, for that to work.


Gravatar
But weren't they Madres and not Padres...???


They would need to shore up the bullpen, either way.


GravatarAlessi does voodoo?

I want some!


GravatarFortunately, it's not working this
time around.
steve simels

SS, I most sincerely hope so. Please.


GravatarExcuse me kids, but none of that
matters: the SCLM will swift boat
her no matter what she actually says,
or whoever is around her.


Well, part of my concern is the smearability/dismissibility aspect of the crowd, but the other part is just the pure imagery of it. A crowd is never as poignant as a solitary figure.


GravatarLike a rock:

http:// www.pollkatz.homestead.co...98_image001.gif


GravatarScout: "She's not mine"

I don't feel she is mine, either. That's why I try to refer to her as Mrs Sheehan. This is her gig (as well as any other parents who might join her), and I think it's still in a really fragile stage where guys like Sharpton could really screw it up. I think the Dems know this too and it is why, for now, they are keeping distance.


Gravatarthat they were willing captives of fascism...
i wonder if we'll get that chance?
.
WoodyGuthriesGuitar


Exactly. Where is the discussion of that. We waged aggressive war based on lies...no damn good reason.
The Germans had to face the consequence of that when they lost.
Ever thought of having to face the same?


GravatarI many nascent leaders both famous and infamous honed their logic when behind bars...?Darryl...

yeah I believe Hitler did too. Too bad chimpy's daddy kept him out of jail, maybe he would have had an idea.


GravatarHere on the left, people are able to speak for themselves. Cindy Sheehan speaks as an anguished mother whose grief over the loss of her son must be unimaginable. She asks a legitimate question that many of us have also asked. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING IN IRAQ????

I'm sure she doesn't speak for me or anyone else here as we are perfectly capable of speaking for ourselves. This is a concept that is completely alien to the rightards. They all goose step in time to Hail Bush, and parrot the same discredited talking points over and over. They are the epitome of the borg collective.

That being said, Cindy Sheehan has every right to ask for an answer to her question. It's unlikely she will ever get a coherent truthful answer because Bush has never told the truth about the war to begin with.


Gravataryeah, fuck the swiss...although I remember it being quite cool there...

Oh, thanks for the laugh. Anybody remember the Tick when Das Fleidermausse said, "Does this look neutral to you?


GravatarOH, I am SO dissed!

I gotta say it's gratifying to have the troll confirm his pathetic-ness...and right on schedule!


GravatarHere is something that someone may want to get, to do some wicked voodoo.

Gaaah! It's like the knife-skewered valentine Mia Farrow sent Woody Allen!


GravatarNow go do that voodoo that you do so well!

I didn't get a harrumph out of that guy!

We've got to protect our phony-baloney jobs, gentlemen!

Rrrrrrbrrrrrr!

Yon Yohnson is right!


GravatarCindy will NEVER give up.

She's lost her son and her marriage, thanks to bush.

That said, I wish Al Sharpton would go home.


GravatarSharpton showing up is not a good thing.
flory, Business Manager



I don't think that Cindy would have any problem telling Al to back off if she needed to.


GravatarYou have got to be shittin me.....


GravatarNow go do that voodoo that you do so well!

I didn't get a harrumph out of that guy!

We've got to protect our phony-baloney jobs, gentlemen!

Rrrrrrbrrrrrr!

Yon Yohnson is right!
H. G. Bergeron |


Mongo only pawn...in game of life!


Gravatar'Nite, Ralph...


Remember:

if you want me to bring you some yummies from northern New Mexico, you gotta lemme know soonest...

email...


GravatarAl Sharpton gave a great convention speech.


GravatarBush has never told the truth about the war to begin with.
left field


I don't think Bush has ever told the truth in his entire life!


GravatarI don't think that Cindy would have any problem telling Al to back off if she needed to.

if she needed to is right. he did show some cojones during the primaries.


GravatarFor you cartoon fans: Is it just me, or does chimpy make even Duck Dodgers look like a thoughtful, capable leader?


GravatarYou have got to be shittin me...


GravatarWGG, Is it green chile season ???


Gravatarhe did show some cojones during the primaries.
footloose


He gave a DAMN good speech at the convention.


GravatarLike a rock

There's that spike in May 2003, with "Mission Accomplished," and then a tumble when the people said, "No it's not."

Hmmm...no spike during the August vacations, either. Who'da thunk it?


GravatarYou have got to be shittin me...
v | 08.27.05 - 12:46 am


Must be Cog.

It's repeating the same tired shit over and over again!


GravatarWell, fuck the concern trolls.


I don't care what Cindy does or says. She's like the conscience that Bush doesn't have.


And it's her right to be out there. If it makes people talk about the war, good.


Now, what else can we talk about?


GravatarAl was very funny in the debates.


GravatarLike a rock


Only dumber.

That's Bush.

AND our trolls.


GravatarFor you cartoon fans: Is it just me, or does chimpy make even Duck Dodgers look like a thoughtful, capable leader?


Yes.


Sad, isn't it?


GravatarNow, what else can we talk about?

I'm going to Memphis for last hurrah of the summer!


GravatarWhat was it that Al Sharpton did wrong?


Gravatar"Like a rock"

Anyone know what Bob Seger's politics are re; the war and chimpy are?


GravatarThe problem that Cindy's facing is that Bush doesn't have a long enough driveway.

See, Air Force 1 needs a good, long runway to take off and land. Now, for example, when you're bolting out of Crawford to sign a bill to save one woman's life, even after she expressed her wishes to not be kept alive, artificially, Air Force 1 can head out of the airport, do some flying around and land in D.C at 1am and get Bush where he needs to be.

But try to get that sucker to land at the end of the driveway and, well, Maverick and the Iceman together couldn't do it.

It's just plain physics, folks.


GravatarWell, part of my concern is the smearability/dismissibility aspect of the crowd, but the other part is just the pure imagery of it. A crowd is never as poignant as a solitary figure.
Eli


My concern is that the opportunists like Sharpton show up in droves and drive the story away from Cindy and onto the preferred slime machine meme -- the hateful antiwar loony left.

It would be the greatest gift to Chimpy.


Gravatarsharpton good
rove bad


Gravatarfour legs good: Well, fuck the concern trolls.



Amen!

Moving right along.............


GravatarLook, I can fit into Heddy Lamar's shoes...


Gravatar. Me, I co uld care less about the blues, basically.

heretic


GravatarWhat Bush really needs is a...

sidekick.


GravatarWhat was it that Al Sharpton did wrong?

I always saw him as a grandstander.


GravatarBut try to get that sucker to land at the end of the driveway and, well, Maverick and the Iceman together couldn't do it.


Don't you just know that chimpy has heartburn all the fucking time?

hee hee.


GravatarFor you cartoon fans: Is it just me, or does chimpy make even Duck Dodgers look like a thoughtful, capable leader?

Shrub does sort of have a Marvin the Martian quality...


GravatarHe gave a DAMN good speech at the convention.


Sharpton gets a ridiculous pass from the media.

He's a corrupt figure who takes money from the Republicans, and, unlike Cindy Sheehan, he *is* a borderline anti-semite (look up the Freddie's Fashion Mart Protests).

If he ever became a serious candidate, the media would sink him in 2 days.


GravatarSharpton good

Rove sucks!


Gravatar Look, I can fit into Heddy Lamar's shoes...
Uncle Smokes


That's Hedly.

Harvey Korman.



.


GravatarWe need to get on to either prevailing in Iraq (and I know it's Hail Mary time) or some semblance of 'peace with honor'.

With regards to making a football analogy, imagine a game where our side is currently down by 73-0, and the quarterback we are pinning our comeback hopes on is Ryan Leaf. The almost inevitable final outcome of Bush's folly is going to be a fundamentalist Islamic state sympathic to Iran and likely a lot more dead Iraqis in the process. There will NEVER be any honor in that.


GravatarSharpton takes money from the Republicans? I thought that was the Greens?


GravatarDoug--Haloscan devoured my last post, so let me repost it.

There are very few 'pure' math majors. Most apply their expertise in other areas in which they have been trained (in my case, biology).

My experience with physics departments has been that the professors and grad students are very friendly and accessible.

And, he gets to wear the T-shirt:

"Math is hard, and I'm good at it!"

I'd encourage him completely. Kudos to you for having raised such an intelligent, interesting child.


GravatarHe said that? You have got to be shittin me.


GravatarIf he ever became a serious candidate, the media would sink him in 2 days.

Unless he ran as a Republican.


GravatarFor some reason, I now have the urge to go watch Blazing Saddles again.

And Samuel Johnson was right: a concern trool is one who looks with indifference on a man struggling for life in the water--and, when he has reached ground, encumbers him with help.

Night, all!

Rrrrrrbrrrrr!


GravatarShrub does sort of have a Marvin the Martian quality...




Oh, you make me VERY angry!


GravatarThere's that spike in May 2003, with "Mission Accomplished," and then a tumble when the people said, "No it's not."

The spikes get smaller and the decline steeper as people get sick of the bullshit. Sooner or later (maybe already) he'll stall and go into a nose dive and won't recover.


GravatarWow. I am so freaking hungry and I have nothing to eat in this house.


Damn.


GravatarIf he ever became a serious candidate, the media would sink him in 2 days.
SWR


Didn't he take money from some high level Rethugs to keep his campaing going last year?


GravatarFor some reason, I now have the urge to go watch Blazing Saddles again.



That's HEDLEY Lamarr!


GravatarShrub does sort of have a Marvin the Martian quality...
Thers


smalfish would not be pleased with the comparison


GravatarSharpton takes money from the Republicans? I thought that was the Greens?


Read Wayne Barrett's columns in the Village Voice about Sharpton.

Remember that idiotic question to Howard Dean about how many blacks he had in the Vermont cabinet? A Republican speechwriter prepped him for it.

He's a trojan horse. Let him get important and you'll see that at the last moment, he throws the race to the Republicans. He's half the reason Bloomberg is mayor today.


GravatarHe's a corrupt figure who takes money from the Republicans, and, unlike Cindy Sheehan, he *is* a borderline anti-semite (look up the Freddie's Fashion Mart Protests).

Not to mention the Tawana Brawley thing, when he continued to defend her even after she admitted to lying.

Stupid.


GravatarWGG, Is it green chile season ???
left field- 12:46 am


yup...

want some?

email me...


Gravatarhe did show some cojones during the primaries.
footloose


He gave a DAMN good speech at the convention.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat


He's a great extemporaneous speaker, and livened the hell out of the primaries.

He's also an opportunist who frets when his fce isn't in the news.

Mrs. Sheehan doesn't need him butting in on her vigil.


GravatarDidn't he take money from some high level Rethugs to keep his campaing going last year?

Yeah I remember that-geesh!


GravatarRe the "opportunists": If Ms. Sheehan is made of what we hope she is, the opportunists will come and go, while she sticks it out.

Making it all the more clear that she does in fact mean it.

So I'm not worried about them. Either she's the real deal or she isn't, and the people floating in and out will prove themselves worthy allies or they won't. Based on how they stack up to the standard that she's setting.


GravatarComparisons to Marvin the Martian and Duck Dodgers in the 24th and a 1/2 Century are not appreciated.


GravatarDidn't he take money from some high level Rethugs to keep his campaing going last year?
What's wrong with that? The Republicans thought he helped them. He thought they were wrong.


Gravatar"Math is hard, and I'm good at it!"



Anyone remember when Mattel put out a Barbie doll that said "Math is hard!"

Nothing like discouraging girls, eh?


GravatarCindy has a plan, and she has full control of the situation. Sharpton, Baez, Earle, etc. are there to serve the cause. Sharpton will pontificate, and he will bring baggage, but it's his 1st amendment as well. Stormfront will show up, and they'll be assholes, and only the already braindead, converted to fascism, rightwing fools will yell about it; we all know who thay are, as will Middle Americans who will see their disgusting attitudes on the tube. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and the more freaks that show up o Cindy's shoulder, the more Americans will wonder "why all the commotion?" You scaredy-cats are sounding like the DLC, as if genteel and politically-correct protests are going to get anywhere. Get off you own asses and do something instead of cowering in the fucking corner. Christ, already.


GravatarSallyh--do you have the Teen Talk Barbie that says, "Math is hard?"


GravatarWow. I am so freaking hungry and I have nothing to eat in this house.

You could always eat psycho alien carrots...


GravatarHe's a corrupt figure who takes money from the Republicans

I wonder if Sharpton is still on the payroll.


GravatarLili Von Shtupp: Would you like another schnitzengruben?
Bart: No, thank you. Fifteen is my limit on schnitzengruben.
Lili Von Shtupp: Well how about a little...
[whispers in his ear]
Bart: [shocked] Baby. I'm not from Havana


Gravatar4Legs--we've got carrot cake! With cream cheese frosting!


GravatarAh, Terry C beat me to the punch.

Oh well, the stuff about the "Barbie Liberation Organization" is wonderful planned chaos.


Gravatar"I'd encourage him completely."

Well, I think now I've been in a state of panic for the last month or so. The FAFSA system totally glitched on me (or I glitched the system with regard to financial aid) and only in the last day has it been clear that he's eligible for Federal aid. I came up with the initial cash for school, and I guess, I could have paid for the whole thing, but it would have been kind of a load.


GravatarYou will NEVER convince me

that sharpton's as corrupt as Joe(mentum) Loserman...

.


GravatarI'm looking for another terrorist attack to get bush's poll numbers back up. Around the time of the 9/11 anniversary.


GravatarUncle Smokes--I hated Barbie growing up. And my daughter rejected the talking one when she was little.


GravatarI wonder if Sharpton is still on the payroll.


He was certainly paid off to push the West Side stadium for Bloomberg. Fortunately Sheldon Silver put a wooden stake through its heart.


GravatarHe's half the reason Bloomberg is mayor today.
SWR |


Michelle Malkin doesn't like Mikey, you know.

He's for gun control so that doesn't make him Repug enough for the Rabid Pekingese.


Gravatar 4Legs--we've got carrot cake! With cream cheese frosting!

*Alien* carrot cake?


GravatarI'm looking for another terrorist attack to get bush's poll numbers back up. Around the time of the 9/11 anniversary.
nick


I've been waiting for that since the Schiavo fiasco.


Gravatar4Legs--we've got carrot cake! With cream cheese frosting!


Yummmmmmm!!!!!


GravatarTo that, WGG... if you ever see the video of Bush making his "Where's the WMDs?" funny ha-ha speech, there's a shot of Lieberman laughing quite noticeably.

Fuckin pricks...


Gravatarrather than Marvin, chimpy reminds me of the idiot captain in Futurama, whatever the hell his name is.


Gravatar Uncle Smokes--I hated Barbie growing up. And my daughter rejected the talking one when she was little.

Star Trek Ken & Barbie is one of my prize possessions, though.


I've said too much.


GravatarIf the people of Connecticut re-elect Loserman they are crazy. He'll probably crow about saving that base in CT but Alf's dad needs to go.


GravatarOk, bats. As much as I want to stay and chat. My pillow looks very inviting right now.

Buenas Noches, Bats.

Keep up the good fight.


GravatarI'm looking for another terrorist attack to get bush's poll numbers back up.

I'm looking for Saddam to break free during his perp walk and magically rescue bush from Western Iran.


Gravatar rather than Marvin, chimpy reminds me of the idiot captain in Futurama, whatever the hell his name is.

Zap Brannigan. Zap's too likable, though.


GravatarMichelle Malkin doesn't like Mikey, you know.

Michelle Malkin doesn't like anybody who's to the left of George Lincoln Rockwell.

Bloomberg's still an arrogant, authoritarian fuckhead who violates civil liberties every chance he gets.

And he's going to get re-elected because Hillary and Schumer want him back (he raises money for Democrats).


GravatarLili Von Shtupp: Would you like another schnitzengruben?
Bart: No, thank you. Fifteen is my limit on schnitzengruben.
Lili Von Shtupp: Well how about a little...
[whispers in his ear]
Bart: [shocked] Baby. I'm not from Havana
Unrepentant Fenian |


They're always coming and going
And going and coming
And always too fast.

Are you in the show?

Then get your fwiggin' feet off the stage!


GravatarStar Trek Ken & Barbie ...?!

Red shirts, I hope!


Gravatar"Sharpton gets a ridiculous pass from the media"

Seeing Gary Hart's name mentioned lately led me to digging out Richard Ben Cramer's "What It Takes", his group bio of the guys running for President in 1988 and sort of a play-by-play of how the primaries went.

Gary Hart- now there was a guy who got *no* pass from the media, & he would have been ten times the President W Bush & Sharpton combined. The relentless childishness of our media has been going so long I don't know how the country can stand it.


Gravatareli has indeed said too much


Gravatar*Alien* carrot cake?


What do you think we do with the carrots after Maxx kills them?


Hmmmmmmmm????


GravatarI'm looking for another terrorist attack to get bush's poll numbers back up. Around the time of the 9/11 anniversary.
nick

I hope everybody has progressed beyond that & blames his dumb ass for letting it happen again.


GravatarMy eyes!

My eyes!


GravatarRed shirts, I hope!

Barbie's red, Ken is gold.


GravatarIt is a statistical fact that the biggest dicks are found in Africa and the smallest dicks are found in Asia. It is also a fact that African Iq's are the lowest and Asian IQ's the highest. Is there a statistical correlation between intelligence and penis size?


GravatarI've said too much.

Not at all, Eli! Please, elaborate!


GravatarUncle Smokes--I hated Barbie growing up. And my daughter rejected the talking one when she was little.

Star Trek Ken & Barbie is one of my prize possessions, though.


I've said too much.
Eli


I bought one a couple of years ago - the Irish Princess.

I also have one from e-bay - Canadian Barbie, dressed in a Mounties uniform.


GravatarOne thing I trust Sharpton to do:

take their money, as much as they are willing to throw, and then to spit right in their eye...

just sayin...

now truly to bed...

g'nite, and may sweet dreams attend your slumbers...

bush, on a tumbrell, hood over his head, weeping uncontrollably, and begging for his poppie, to the relentless swish-thump of the guillotine... works for me


GravatarThe relentless childishness of our media has been going so long I don't know how the country can stand it.
nick carraway


Amen


GravatarIs there a statistical correlation between intelligence and penis size?
.

Frank. You are a very smart man.


GravatarJim: Then one day I hear "Reach for it, mister." I spun around, and there I was standing face to face with a six year old kid. Well, I just laid down my guns and walked away. Little bastard shot me in the ass. So I limped to the nearest saloon, crawled inside a whiskey bottle, and I've been there ever since.


Gravataryou people are sick.


Get help.


GravatarEli--I take the alien carrots of doom...and put them in my carrot cake.

Does that mean I have the carrot cake...of DOOM?


Gravatarfrank:

fuck off.


GravatarYou scaredy-cats are sounding like the DLC, as if genteel and politically-correct protests are going to get anywhere. Get off you own asses and do something instead of cowering in the fucking corner. Christ, already.
ronjazz


You miss my point. I have no fear of any and every mother, father and family member of a soldier showing up and demanding Chimpy face them. The more and louder, the better.

I have a problem with the professional opportunists showing up and taking the spotlight off Mrs Sheehan and onto themselves.


GravatarI've said too much.

Not at all, Eli! Please, elaborate!
Captain Goto



That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight
Losin' my religion!


GravatarI miss Walter Neff.

Hope he's doing alright.


GravatarIs there a statistical correlation between intelligence and penis size?
frank -- 1:00 am


well, you're a thimblewit. Do you step on your dick when you walk?


GravatarRed shirts, I hope!
Darryl Pearce


ensign barbie


GravatarStar Trek Ken & Barbie is one of my prize possessions, though

As a child, I was obsessed with undressing other's Barbies and G. I. Joes--had that behavior been reported nowadays, who knows what cauldron of meds I'd be put on.

I've said too much

Oops...me, too.


GravatarGet help.
pro-war


You owe me $149.99 for a new irony meter.


Gravataryou people are sick.


Get help.
pro-war


And why don't YOU go play hide and go fuck yourself?


GravatarNot at all, Eli! Please, elaborate!

Still in the original packaging, so it's not like I'm acting out little "Ensign Barbie, go see if the giant lizard is trying to communicate" fantasies or anything.


GravatarAnd who could forget.

Hey, where the white women at?


GravatarMy eyes!


I had no idea there was a star trek barbie and ken.


Good grief.


GravatarDoug - you've got mail.


GravatarStill in the original packaging, so it's not like I'm acting out little "Ensign Barbie, go see if the giant lizard is trying to communicate" fantasies or anything.


Oh sure, like we believe THAT.


GravatarA substantive conversation about education in america must deal with IQ. The liberal denial of the legitimacy of IQ is worse than the conservative denial of global warming.


GravatarIs there a statistical correlation between intelligence and penis size?

and is ratio directional?


GravatarIs there a statistical correlation between intelligence and penis size?
frank


If that's so, Bush must need an electron microscope to find his!


GravatarDoug, if you are still around. Your son's choice of a major should not be binding in the freshman year, though I may be wrong. Still, I haven't heard of any college where you have to commit until the second year at the earliest.

If this is the case at your son's college, he could keep his options open by taking some courses in English, too. That way if he decides he doesn't want to do the physics major he wouldn't have too much trouble to switch.

There should also be an advisor from the faculty to talk to. Or at least most colleges have one, and he should take advantage of any advisors there are. Good luck.


GravatarCanadian Barbie...?!

...again, my eyes!


GravatarI miss Walter Neff.

Any updates?


GravatarI HAD to encourage him.

I never learn.


GravatarDoes that mean I have the carrot cake...of DOOM?

God, I hope so.


GravatarA substantive conversation about education in america must deal with IQ. The liberal denial of the legitimacy of IQ is worse than the conservative denial of global warming.
frank


I'm sick of the Bell Curve shit, okay?


GravatarIn some ways, I'm an anti-semite.

Not really, but I do think the US has supported Israel when it should not have.

One may take the moral high road just so long (because of WWII), but.....damn! After a certain point you are NOT allowed to do to others what has been done to you.


GravatarA substantive conversation about education in america must deal with IQ. The liberal denial of the legitimacy of IQ is worse than the conservative denial of global warming.
frank -- 1:03 am


iq is a construct derived from flawed psychology and learning theory. i bet you wanna drool on and on about the Bell urve, doncha, thimblewit?


GravatarCanadian Barbie...?!

...again, my eyes!
Darryl Pearce


That's the one!


Gravatar I HAD to encourage him.

I never learn.


It could have been much, much worse.


GravatarIn some ways, I'm an anti-semite.

Not really, but I do think the US has supported Israel when it should not have.



Criticizing Israel does NOT make one anti-Semitic.


GravatarThe Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., the current home of hundreds of wounded veterans from the war in Iraq, has been the target of weekly anti-war demonstrations since March. The protesters hold signs that read "Maimed for Lies" and "Enlist here and die for Halliburton."

The soldiers recuperating at Walter Reed asked that the protestors be sent away. They don't want them there.


GravatarDoes that mean I have the carrot cake...of DOOM?


Actually, I believe you have "Maxx's Studendously Delicious Psychotic Alien Carrot Cake of Doom"


and I hope you reflect that in the cook book.


GravatarYou'd think, with Bush & co fucking up so spectacularly, that the right would keep it's collective mouth shut about IQ.


GravatarThe soldiers recuperating at Walter Reed asked that the protestors be sent away. They don't want them there.
pro-war


Oh, fuck!

Gordon's back, folks!


Gravatarpro-war,


enlist yet?


Then shut the fuck up.


GravatarIt could have been much, much worse.

Sure, make me more afraid.


Gravatar In some ways, I'm an anti-semite.

Not really, but I do think the US has supported Israel when it should not have.

One may take the moral high road just so long (because of WWII), but.....damn! After a certain point you are NOT allowed to do to others what has been done to you.


No, you're just not mindlessly pro-Israel. By your standard, *I* would be an anti-Semite Semite.


GravatarThose of you worrying about the "anti-war loony left" BS that they'll throw at us over and over again must accept the fact that we are IN THE MAJORITY! They no longer have the weight of public opinion behind them. Whenever that sort of thing comes across now, over 60% of the regular American people know thay are being bullshitted. They are left with their radical, extremist base, and that is the enemy now. Cindy Sheehan has cut the legs out from under George Bush, and as he falls over, he must reach ut to grab people to take down with him. Isn't the troll bitchiness and whining clear indication of their fear and desperation? Pound away, in your own ways. Personally, I go into a laughing jag whenever anybody mentions chimpy's success at fighting terrorism. It really can get people questioning themselves if someone is bent over double laughing at them as if they were really making a joke when they thought they were being serious.


GravatarI have a problem with the professional opportunists showing up and taking the spotlight off Mrs Sheehan and onto themselves.
flory, Business Manager |

flory, WORD.


GravatarNot really, but I do think the US has supported Israel when it should not have.


Well I think that the major Jewish organizations should denounce the right's smearing of Cindy Sheehan as an "anti-semite" but they don't. I also think that the ADL was despicable for jumping on Dick Durbin.

Jews as individuals have political opinions as varied as anyone else but the major Jewish organizations are one issue, pro Israel lobbying groups now. And they're pushing their members and consituency into a defacto position of support for George Bush. They're more harmful in their own way than the Catholic Church (which is horrible on abortion but at least somewhat neutral on the war and the death penalty).


GravatarIs there a statistical correlation between intelligence and penis size?
frank


why you always on about penises frank?


GravatarAny updates?

Not that I'm aware of.

Does anyone know when Walter was scheduled for his operation?


GravatarThanks, Eli.

SD


GravatarGee, I've had a weird new gravatar for an entire day and no one has even asked me what it is.




GravatarWell, I am going to call it a night.

Good night, folks!


Gravatart is a statistical fact that the biggest dicks are found in Africa and the smallest dicks are found in Asia.

And who has done the measuring? Give reference to journal, volume and number here.
It is also a fact that African Iq's are the lowest and Asian IQ's the highest. Is there a statistical correlation between intelligence and penis size?

The Intelligence Quotient is not the same as intelligence. For one thing, the IQ scores change over time, can be affected by teaching and rise with self-esteem. They can also be manipulated by how the test organizers act towards the test takers. The IQ doesn't even try to measure memory, creativity or many other types of talents, such as social intelligence.

Finally, the IQ scores have been rising over the last fifty years or so, and it is unlikely that people have gotten smarter. All this means that whatever the IQ scores measure they don't measure the nebulous concept of "intelligence". And even if they did as we have no reliable penis size studies, we couldn't draw any correlation inferences.


GravatarSharpton, unfortunately plays THE GAME, which i think will greatly cheapen her (otherwise) valid position. he'll frame it in the language that they'll (wingnuts) know how to effectively attack her through.

Hope I'm wrong


GravatarI thought it was next Wed, CS. ??


GravatarSee my comment above re the professional opportunists. I'm not especially worried.


Gravatar Gee, I've had a weird new gravatar for an entire day and no one has even asked me what it is.

I just assumed it was Io, or possibly Mars.


GravatarI have a problem with the professional opportunists showing up and taking the spotlight off Mrs Sheehan and onto themselves.

I wouldn't worry. Ms. Sheehan can more than hold her own no matter what or whom. It's her own force of will that's carried her this far and will continue to do so. The only thing nervous handwringing does is encourage the brownshirts (which isn't such a bad thing because she's been more than able to pulverize them at every turn).

I also have no doubt that Ms. Sheehan will give such a tongue-lashing to anyone who comes looking for a photo-op with the "flava of the month," and frankly look forward to such public humilations...


GravatarGary Hart- now there was a guy who got *no* pass from the media, & he would have been ten times the President W Bush & Sharpton combined. The relentless childishness of our media has been going so long I don't know how the country can stand it.
nick carraway | 08.27.05 - 12:59 am | #
*******************

i don't think hart will run in 08, but if he does he has my vote.


GravatarAs Kinky Friedman sings:

They Ain't Makin' Jews like Jesus Anymore


GravatarGee, I've had a weird new gravatar for an entire day and no one has even asked me what it is.



four legs good


Same ol' gravy to me.

Guess its time to clear the cache.


GravatarIt looks like Io to me.


GravatarFor your edification, this celebrated man was an anti-semite.

Contrast and compare with your own views.


GravatarSWR, that holds true for Xians, as well.

I am weary of groups that claim to speak for an entire religion.

Of course, I am also, personally, sick to death of religion. Me.


GravatarWas I dreaming or did 20/20 do a whole segment on Count Dracula? What the fuck. 100,000 Iraqis take to the streets to protest their new constitution and ABC's flagship magazine show does a story on a fictional character dreamt up by a irish writer. Good God. Peter Jennings must be spinning is his grave.

Oh, and I can't wait until next week when John Stosell will have a segment on how I should'nt worry that our air is unfit to breathe and our water is too polluted to drink.


GravatarCaptain Goto--my opinion of the opportunists is that, if this is in fact part of a First Amendment issue, then perhaps the opportunists should not be dismissed. They will show themselves.


Gravatarwait... hold on... ok- i thought i was gonna have to go pinch run for Phillips, but no, so go ahead


GravatarIo, Io, so its off to work I go.


Gravatar The soldiers recuperating at Walter Reed asked that the protestors be sent away. They don't want them there.

BZZZZZZT! No, wrong, sorry.

Johnny, get him the fuck out of here...


GravatarGee, I've had a weird new gravatar for an entire day and no one has even asked me what it is.
four legs good -- 1:09 am


as a moonbat, i thought it was our own Luna...


GravatarSomeone saying they are pro-war is about as stupid as it comes.

What person in their right mind wants a war? You may hve to carry the heavy heart of going to war, understand the necessity and resign yourself to war, but it is never a rational desire.


GravatarCompletely intending to interrupt, Futurama just came on tbs here (not sure if they have regional feeds) - it's the one where they travel back in time to Roswell and Fry is his own grandpa. Heh.


GravatarOoooooo!! Night of the Living Dead is on Encore. The original one.


A guy already got eaten. Cool!!


GravatarEchidne--I saved you a chocolate dipped cannoli with chocolate chips from my visit out east.


GravatarGotta go. Taking the kid to see the rugby matches at South Park Fairground tomorrow...

...for you non-Pittsburghers, that was not a Comedy Central reference.


GravatarI saw Sheehan on Real Time tonight, and I have to say, I was underwhelmed. Which is the problem with expecting a private citizen to morph into the leader of a movement overnight. As much as I respect her for forcefully making the point that she's not ok with losing her son to lies, and speaking out and standing her ground, I thought she lost focus several times during the interview and kind of wandered, missing important points and making others that don't advance her main point and might turn off people who would otherwise be sympathetic to her point of view.

Which is only to say, if she's going to be doing interviews and such 24/7, she needs to work this stuff out before she's in the middle of an interview. That is, if she's going to be leading the end the war movement.

Like I said, that's the problem with taking a regular person and turning them overnight into a movement leader. In some ways, I think she might be more effective if she wasn't granting interviews. Kind of that whole "alone in her grief" image, which incidentally, would also make it harder to tag her as a radical political activist.


Gravatara petrie dish?


Gravatarguy already got eaten.

What's his IQ?


GravatarHe is keeping the world safe for democracy. Enlist and help him!


Gravatarmindlessly pro-israel...


http://www.ussliberty.org/


GravatarIsn't football season long enough without the preseason games?


GravatarI'm back. Who needs a bitchslap?


GravatarHe Knows, You Know,
Problems, Problems

Singing psychadelic praises to the depths of the china bowl...


GravatarUnrepentant Fenian,

Yes, the media (!!!) want to control and direct our every thought, our every insecurity, our every fear.

Fuck 'em all.

They are like the orthopoedists who come at our kneecaps, ankles, and wrists with their little hammers, looking for the involuntary "jerk" reaction.


Gravatar Isn't football season long enough without the preseason games?

No.


GravatarSallyh, thanks! We have the best cannolis.

But I still wonder what frank would score on the IQ test.


Gravatar4Legs--I flipped channels to watch Numb3rs, but we're stuck in preseason football.


GravatarWas I dreaming or did 20/20 do a whole segment on Count Dracula? What the fuck. 100,000 Iraqis take to the streets to protest their new constitution and ABC's flagship magazine show does a story on a fictional character dreamt up by a irish writer. Good God.


It was actually about Vlad Tepes and that book "the Historian" (and no, I didn't watch it). The title was stupid "the Summer of the Vampire"



Eli, no Io, Europa.

Flory!! clean that cache out now young lady!!


Gravatarsally,

I'll take the cannoli


GravatarSWR, that holds true for Xians, as well.

I am weary of groups that claim to speak for an entire religion.


All they have to say is something like "while we may disagree with some of the things Cindy Sheehan has said over the past few months, we support her right to oppose the war and resent frivelous accusations of anti-semitism being used by its supporters to stifle debate".


Gravatarflory, I'm sorry, but I think I get your point perfectly. We shoud be like our opponents, in lockstep, and well-behaved and on-message, and our black sheep (black or not) should stay out of the limelight. It's the surest way to lose I know, just because it hasn't worked now for 3 elections. Al Sharpton speaks to a lot of people who don't identify with Cindy Sheehan, and, while he will assuredly grandstand, he will also bring the light onto the cause, and his followers and fans will add to our strength. Without question, the right-wing noise machine will go into overdrive, and, again I say, so what? What more harm can they do? they have already lost every single debating point to over 60% of the American people. If they keep on spewing their racist drivel, they'll ony lose more of the public. There is quite literally nothing short of a miracle that can reverse the administration's downward plunge. I say we keep throwing them anchors.


GravatarBut I still wonder what frank would score on the IQ test.
Echidne of the snakes - 1:14 am


from his remarks, i'd say his dick trails along behind him in the dirt like flacccid, fleshy rudder...


GravatarYou know what? I couldn't give a fuck about football anymore.

I don't know why, I just don't.


I think it's the announcers. I just want to beat them all with a baseball bat.

And the fucking graphics- what the fuck is it with all the explosions and shit? stupid.


GravatarJennifer, I don't think Sheehan ever meant to "lead the anti-war mnovement". She's just a mom - okay???

I mean, FUCK this shit. WHo among us had stood up on our hind legs as much???

Shit on a stick...come on, people.

Damn no wonder I smoke. I do so to keep from killing people.

SD


GravatarEchidne--and it is a MA cannoli


GravatarBut I still wonder what frank would score on the IQ test.

2 inches.


Eli, no Io, Europa.

You *sure*? I see volcanoes. And... colors.


Gravatar"If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution."
-- Emma Goldman


GravatarFuck 'em all.

They are like the orthopoedists who come at our kneecaps, ankles, and wrists with their little hammers, looking for the involuntary "jerk" reaction.
Sarah Deere | Email | 08.27.05 - 1:14 am | #


Fuck 'em all? That's no way for a senior citizen to be talking.


GravatarRob from AMERICAblog nails it:

I just watched Cindy Sheehan on Bill Mayer. When Maher asked her jokingly that if she didn't get satisfaction from George Bush, would she go over his head to Cheney or Rumsfeld, she replied:

"You know what Bill, I have gone over his head, I've gone to the American people. And we employ him, he's our employee."

She has found her voice, and I gotta say, she's got a great voice. She's quick, she's smart, and I think that she's going to be a great face for the American people's growing frustration with the war.


GravatarNorah O'Donnell is a miserable hack who called the denizens at Camp Casey "antiwar extremists". Someone ought to tell O'Donnell, then, that well over half of Americans are antiwar extremists, according to latest polls
I know that it must be tough for Norah O'Donnell filling in for Chris Matthews on MSNBC's Hardball. What, with makeup, the hair stylist and all, I'm sure she doesn't have the time to actually look up any facts before the pretty camera light goes on.


Gravatarswr,

it was American Catholics from NM and CO who elected Chimpy.


They're more harmful in their own way than the Catholic Church (which is horrible on abortion but at least somewhat neutral on the war and the death penalty).


tell it to ratzi the nazi and the actively pro-Bush cardinals in the southwest. fuckers. may they rot in hell, these so-called "Catholics" who voted for Chimpy, violating the tenents of their own faith. feh!


GravatarWas I dreaming or did 20/20 do a whole segment on Count Dracula? What the fuck.


oh, ABC been done and paid for- maybe compesation for Disneys gay days but our LA abc radio affilliate runs hannity and savage- in Utah they censured the Sheehan ad and i have noticed a pattern of propaganda that would make andrea mitchell wet... nah forget about abc


Gravatargoodnight batses


GravatarI'm back. Who needs a bitchslap?

You?


GravatarAnd remember kids - when you ignore them, they slither away...


Gravatarguy already got eaten.


After the zombie killed him, I'd say about zero.


"They're coming to get you Barbara!!"


hee hee.


GravatarThere is quite literally nothing short of a miracle that can reverse the administration's downward plunge.

Miracles are what they're counting on... but they'll be sorely disappointed.


GravatarI thought she lost focus several times during the interview and kind of wandered, missing important points and making others that don't advance her main point and might turn off people who would otherwise be sympathetic to her point of view.

Which is only to say, if she's going to be doing interviews and such 24/7, she needs to work this stuff out before she's in the middle of an interview. That is, if she's going to be leading the end the war movement.


She's been sitting in the TX heat for almost 3 weeks, her mother just had a stroke. I think she deserves some slack.

That said, she's Not leading the end of the war movement. She's one grieving, angry mother. The fact that other people agree with her opinions of the war doesn't create an impetus for her to be a compelling speaker or untouchable public figure.

That said, I agree with your last paragraph but, other than granting interviews, how else Does she get her message out? Fewer interviews might be a good idea, I suppose, to avoid saturation and invite criticism.

I don't know what I'd do if I were in her position. I haven't done enough from my position, I'm ashamed to admit.


GravatarVoila! Ici on peut voir l'Io et l'Europa. Je pense que le gravatar de 4lg, c'est l'Io.


GravatarI also have no doubt that Ms. Sheehan will give such a tongue-lashing to anyone who comes looking for a photo-op with the "flava of the month," and frankly look forward to such public humilations...
dave™©®


I hope so.

But lets remember we're dealing with our 'fair and balanced' media.
They'll be more'n happy to push the meme that Mrs Sheehan is a tool of the loony left.
And ignore any slapdowns Mrs Sheehan deals the opportunists.


GravatarMatthew--I should wait and see if the Goddess wants the cannoli. it's not wise to get between Echidne and chocolate.


GravatarOf course, if you absolutely, positively can't ignore it - ask it about its two tours of duty in Iraq.


GravatarIf a man didn't play high school football, he's a pussy.


GravatarI mean, FUCK this shit. WHo among us had stood up on our hind legs as much???
Sarah Deere | Email | 08.27.05 - 1:17 am | # \


Considering you spent most of your time on all fours.....


but anyway, Cindy Sheehan has beena barking moonbat long before the death of her son. Sh's simply used his death as a ne weapon to promote her agenda.

Try to think for yourself Sarah. Wake up and smell the coffee.


GravatarGordi! Get back here! I'm not done with you!

whap! whap!

Call me a cunt, will you?

whap! whap!

Whassamatter tough guy, are those tears?

whap!


Gravatar Echidne--and it is a MA cannoli

There is a place in Boston, in the Italian part, which makes cannolis out of some type of heaven. Not a good idea to go there with money for, like, five...


Gravatarsallyh,

massachusetts canolii's are always already very tasty. how was your visit, back i the City of Angels yet?


GravatarSarah Deere - well, if she's not planning on leading a movement, she shouldn't be saying she is on TV.


GravatarMercy bow coo, monsoor Eli!


GravatarMikes Pastries. best cannolis anywhere


GravatarMatthew can share my cannoli. There's plenty for more than one in those.


GravatarEli, no Io, Europa.

Attempt no landing there.

Still looks like Io to me.

Europa: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov...eg/ PIA01295.jpg


GravatarIf a man didn't play high school football

He was a cheerleader?


Gravatarswr,

it was American Catholics from NM and CO who elected Chimpy.



Yes. The Catholic church quite obviously campaigned for Bush because of the abortion issue.


GravatarDave, would you mind emailing (not necessarily tonight) with details about the homeopathic remedies you guys used on your cat's stomatitis?

Maxx is okay for now, I just want to be prepared in case it comes back.

Maxx thanks you in advance.


GravatarBut lets remember we're dealing with our 'fair and balanced' media.
They'll be more'n happy to push the meme that Mrs Sheehan is a tool of the loony left.


She doesn't give a shit. That's her power.


GravatarGive Eli a Royale with Cheese.


GravatarI never understood the issue completely. My friend showed up in the morning with the boat, tackle and a case of beer. I had to politely explain that he had misunderstood when I said I wanted to spend the day ass kissing with him. We have never been really close since.


GravatarMrs. Ibrahim--visit was okay,` the cannolis were outstanding.

I'm back in LA. Home is the best place to be.

Except for next weekend, when I'll be at Eschacon


GravatarOkay, maybe it's IO, the website lied.


I thought the colors were pretty.


GravatarFlory!! clean that cache out now young lady!!
four legs good


Clean cache.

Pretty gravy.


GravatarIf a man didn't play high school football

He was a cheerleader?



SNAP!


GravatarSarah Deere - well, if she's not planning on leading a movement, she shouldn't be saying she is on TV.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 1:21 am | #

She is though. And I'm laughing my ass off. The woman's an idiot and a pawn. She'll drive even more of the silent majority from the left than you barking moonbats already have.


GravatarI looks like a giant marble doesn't it?


GravatarOf course, if you absolutely, positively can't ignore it - ask it about its two tours of duty in Iraq.
dave™©® - 1:20 am


last time it was three tours in Iraq, iirc...

or was it two in iraq and one in afghanistan?

or was it one in iraq, one in afghanistan, and one in North Korea?

i mean, the guy's such a fucking hero, anything is possible...


GravatarTry to think for yourself Sarah. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Heal thyself! Welcome back, Biff.


GravatarIf a man didn't play high school football, he's a pussy.


Well, there's more pussies than football players then.


Gravatarsallyh

fun at the con. we'll be attending our first faculty party, then 3 days at the beach.

be thinking of yall.


GravatarIo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ima...e: PIA02308.jpeg


GravatarExcept for next weekend, when I'll be at Eschacon

Sallyh--I'm stoked and ready to smoke.

The anticipation anxiety is starting to kick in.


GravatarPoor Gordo, still doesn't realize that 64% is almost double 36%.


Gravatar Give Eli a Royale with Cheese.

Mmm, c'est bien, ca! J'aime le biftek, um, poisoneuse.

Et je n'ai pas parler beaucoup de francais depuis l'ecole...


GravatarI could make a bacon sammich, but I aim't got no tomatoes....


Woe is me!!!


GravatarEchidne: still here, had to take a pudding cooking break. The school wants the students to comit to a major so that with subjects with a course track, they take the credit requirements so that they can graduate, in the normal number of years. He is planning on taking some writing courses but not the intense ones that he originaly would have taken from the writing program. He still has to take quite a few elective courses, and is planning on many of them being English or writing courses.

Last school purchase for today. A 1 Gig USB memory stick. I saw that the school had lots of computers but those machines did not allow the saving of students files. The school reccommends the use of removable media. I thought the USB stick would be better then CDR disks.


GravatarWatching Nancy Grace right now and she has gone ionsane over this Natalee Holloway case.

She played footage of the two young men brought in for questioning over a music bed of Elvis's Jailhouse Rock. OY.


Gravatar...the guy's such a fucking hero, anything is possible...

Except it still can't make that shit they serve at Red Lobster edible.


Gravatar"If a man didn't play high school football, he's a pussy."

Say hello to the Cheerleader in Chief, moron.


GravatarExcept for next weekend, when I'll be at Eschacon

Great, it'll be Biff and me for three nights here.


GravatarThere is quite literally nothing short of a miracle that can reverse the administration's downward plunge. I say we keep throwing them anchors.
ronjazz


We're going to agree to disagree here.
You have a greatly more tolerant attitude towards the Sharptons of the world than the vast American middle does.
Yes he speaks to a great number of people -- but they're not in danger of voting Rethug anytime soon. The ones he turns off, are.


Gravatar"story" of deep throat on Sundance Channel now...


Gravatar I looks like a giant marble doesn't it?

Io is definitely one of the more lurid bodies in the solar system.



Aside from mine, of course.


Gravatar...could make a bacon sammich, but I aim't got no tomatoes....


Jesus, we've got a ton of 'em... bring a truck!


GravatarMmm, c'est bien, ca! J'aime le biftek, um, poisoneuse.


avec des pommes frites...


GODDAMN IT!!!


cut it out. I'm starving here and you're talking about steak.


Gravatar"I think she lost focus several times during the interview..."

I think the problem is we are no longer used to seeing someone who hasn't been prepped and coached and primed with talking points before an interview.

I loved her - she sounds like a real person. Maher was also good in that interview IMHO


GravatarVia LGF:

Daily Kos Master Plan Countdown, Day 5

Number of days until Markos “Screw Them” Moulitsas Zuniga unveils his top secret plan to destroy the Democratic Leadership Council:

10


I know i'm excited at the extreme left's plan to destroy their party and reduce it to the level of the Socialist Party!


Gravatarmmmmm...... steaaaaaaake....

droooolllll......


GravatarUncle Smokes--I know what you mean about the anticipation anxiety, but I'm prepared to have a great time.


GravatarMike's Pastries? Is that Revere Beach or the North End? It's been too long.

Mike's Pastries will put you in a diabetic coma looking through the window.


Jennifer, I don't recall hearing or reading anything about Cindy Sheehan claiming leadership of the anti-war movement. Have you links? Or print sources? Did she say that on Maher's show?

Are you a Concern Troll?


GravatarYes. The Catholic church quite obviously campaigned for Bush because of the abortion issue.
SWR - 1:21 am


in NM it wasn't abortion which bugged the hispano/latino/chicano voters, it was gay rights...

even though there is a HUGE number of latino/hispano/chicano men who routinely have sex with other men, being 'gay' is very much a taboo in the ultra-conservative chicano culture...

.


GravatarYes. The Catholic church quite obviously campaigned for Bush because of the abortion issue.
SWR


Another case of the American Catholic church not listening to the Pope.


Gravatar "If a man didn't play high school football, he's a pussy."


Depends. I played high school football and I'm a .....

Forget I said it.

Seriously though high school football means a totally different thing in the northeast than it does in a place like Texas. I know a guy from Texas who's almost 30 now and it still bothers him he didn't play high school football.


GravatarDoug, you're a good parent. I don't think mine ever stepped foot on my college campus.


GravatarJeebus! Gordon's got a webcam, too.

Gordon, are those your Mother's Panties on your head?


Gravatar36%. isn't chimpy's new disapprove at 56% and approve at 40%?
senate races ought to be fun (can you say senator hackett??)
the senate is butt peanuts to what golden opportunities 06 House races will be?

the more braying asses trumpet Chimpy's Quagmire, the more antiwar primary D's have to gain. the majority of Americans have decided that the elites that lied them into this war have no credibility.

hence Hagel, and now, ex officio, Feingold.


GravatarIf a man didn't play high school football, he's a pussy.
frank | 08.27.05 - 1:20 am | #

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george w. bush is a pussy.


GravatarLike a rock:

http:// www.pollkatz.homestead.co...98_image001.gif


Gravatar Via LGF:

'Boogers are tasty and FREE! Now, who wants to try wearing makeup and talk about boys and politics all nite?'

Eat a brick, ya tosser!


GravatarAnd the photoshop caption on LGF even mentions our friend and Soros employee Atrios:

Dr. Kos and Frau Atrios share a laugh over the latest report of dead American contractors in Iraq.


GravatarWell, after thinking it over, if drinking out of the commode is good enough for my dog, then it is good enough for me.


GravatarI'm about ready to gnaw on my kitt-ttee.


Gravatar Gary R--

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz...


Gravatarthe senate is butt peanuts

Truer words were never spoken.


Gravatareven though there is a HUGE number of latino/hispano/chicano men who routinely have sex with other men, being 'gay' is very much a taboo in the ultra-conservative chicano culture...

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WoodyGuthriesGuitar | Email | 08.27.05 - 1:28 am | #


If anyone knows about being a pickleboy, it's Woody.


GravatarSo anyways, Kos is like 0 for 500 on political predictions (not one Kos-backed campaign has one, not one, and he has the political sense of a slinky). He was also very wrong on Ellsworth.


GravatarSharpton in Crawford

i haven't followed the SCM coverage of Camp Casey, but from what i have seen, the crowds there have been pretty white...not as diversified as the casualty lists...

just sayin'


Gravatarin NM it wasn't abortion which bugged the hispano/latino/chicano voters, it was gay rights...


Abortion and gay rights. And they campaigned for Bush.

This is why both the Catholic Church and the major Jewish groups hurt more than they help.

The Catholic Church is a one issue, social conservative organization dedicated to making abortion illegal and persecuting gays. They'll bend on everything else but they'll live or die on this.

The major Jewish groups are a one issue, pro Israel lobbying group. They'll bend on everything else but live or die on this.

Note. I have nothing against Catholics or Jews as individuals, but they both really have to drive stakes through the hearts of the people who "lead" them.


Gravatarplayed hs ball. and it's a friday night religion in these parts. I prefer saturdays to sundays, but what's not to like about the Boston Patriots.

Gators are ranked at 11!


GravatarIf I were in NYC there would still be restaurants open.


But no.





GravatarGordon, are those your Mother's Panties on your head?

If Gordo had a body like that he wouldn't be pestering us right now.

Make of that what you will.


GravatarShe doesn't give a shit. That's her power.
dave™©®

Yeah, she's the genuine article. That's why they've attacked her non-stop.

I was born a cynic and will die one, but I find myself moved be her. I like her more every day. Not a common thing for me.

And the only one with an agenda is you Gordon - Go sign up! Enlist you cowardly piece of shit. Encourage the people you call friends to do the same. Com'on, it's a noble cause isn't it?


GravatarSo, has Al Sharpton shared his anti-semitic jokebook with Cindy Sheehan yet?


GravatarThe cockroaches are really racing around the kitchen floor tonight, aren't they?

I love it.


GravatarBy now there are no more screams.


Gravatar he'll stall and go into a nose dive and won't recover.
The Old Man From Scene 24


Hopefully in mid-flight.


Gravatarronjazz-

As best I recall the Maher interview, he refered to Sheehan as the leader of the peace movement & she responded that she was the spark, but would be unable to stop it if she tried.

No ego on parade there


GravatarGary Ruppert... not as manly a name as Jeff Gannon but probably equally at home in the dark halls of 'come and get your love - MC/VISA/AMEX accepted', I'm sure.


Gary, can you get Jeff's autograph for me?


Gravatarronjazz - on Maher's show.

And no, I'm not a concern troll.

But my cringe factor went way up when Maher said now the right was accusing her of giving comfort to our enemies, and her response was, "if they're supporting me, then why is my checkbook $1200 overdrawn?"

Which sounded suspiciously like a) a very ineffective response and b) a not very subtle plea for money.

If it sounded that way to me, I know some other people watching it had the same reaction.

I completely support her vigil, her right to be heard, etc etc etc. That doesn't mean that I'm unable to watch and listen to her and determine that she's saying some things that don't help her cause.


GravatarGary Ruppert, you're going to burn in hell.


GravatarHopefully in mid-flight.




GravatarRandom note on Gallup

They had whacked out sampling. 37% Democrats, 29% Republicans, 34% Independents.

If they took the time to have an accurate sample, they would have seen that Bush is pretty darn popular, even now.


GravatarI know a guy who tells men they are failures if they aren't married by age 40. Is he a wingnut? No, it's SWR.


GravatarEli--I've contemplated earning my Ugly American merit badge by learning how to say "I can't speak your language" in as many languages as I could.

Being an old Ingmar Bergman fan, "nej tala Svenska" was as far as I got.


GravatarHell Incog, not even satan would take that miserable fuck in.


GravatarI know a guy who tells men they are failures if they aren't married by age 40. Is he a wingnut? No, it's SWR.


Nope. It's most people in conservative America. Talk to a couple of 20-something Mormons someday Gordon. See what they think of you.


Gravatarnot one Kos-backed campaign has one, not one,

Spelling counts. What's with you and 'one', Rain Man?


GravatarDr. Kos and Frau Atrios share a laugh over the latest report of dead American contractors in Iraq.
Gary Ruppert -- 1:29 am


contractore, regardless of their putative citizenship, are no better than mercenaries...

mercenaries, by definition, have sold their claims to humane treatment for the cash they're paid to kill for profit.

anything that befalls a mercanary is no more than they deserve.

when you sign on as a merc, you foresake your rights to claim the exemption from barbarity on any basis whatsoever...

i don't give s flying fuck about anyone fighting for a private contractor in Iraq. Mercs deserve whatever trouble they beget...


GravatarGordon The Magnificent has designed software programs for Fortune 500 companies and graduated from university at age 15. Show some respect folks.


GravatarGary Ruppert, you're going to burn in hell.
Incog | 08.27.05 - 1:33 am | #


Well if Incog beleives in hell, than he must believe in intelligent design.


Gravatarthey would have seen that Bush is pretty darn popular

Dream on moron.



Gravatar"I screamed Johnnie, Help me!! help me!!


I ran and I ran. But Johnnie didn't come."


GravatarBush is pretty darn popular, even now.

They had whacked out sampling.


Gravatargeorge w. bush is a pussy.

Yet, guys like Frank and Gordo want to pay tribute to their master by sucking his dick. The irony of it all.


GravatarReally, if you knew me at all, you would realize that if I didn't have that funky Troll doll from the seventies I would be very lonely man.


Gravatar Random note on Gallup

They had whacked out sampling. 37% Democrats, 29% Republicans, 34% Independents.

If they took the time to have an accurate sample, they would have seen that Bush is pretty darn popular, even now.
Gary Ruppert | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 1:33 am | #


So did the Harris poll have the same problem? And The American Research Group? Harris also shows a 40% approval rate, and The American Research Group a 36% one.


GravatarAmericans are scum.

They have sold their claims to humane treatment for the cash they're paid to kill for profit.

anything that befalls an American is no more than they deserve.

when you're an American, you foresake your rights to claim the exemption from barbarity on any basis whatsoever...

i don't give s flying fuck about anyone fighting in Iraq. They deserve whatever trouble they beget...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar | Email | 08.27.05 - 1:35 am | #


There.. I translated your anti-American post for you!


GravatarI think it's too late for this country to get out of Iraq without being thoroughly humiliated. Lots of bad signs, esp the open disagreement at the top about whether to stay or go.

I thought the way the President simplifies the argument to "stay" or "go" was a stall, to keep up the tough talk til they can get together on a plan. But I'm starting to think that's the way he really sees it, and no one can change his mind-- it's like Hitler at Stalingrad. Bush is just too stupid, stubborn and arrogant to let anyone do anything that may prevent the disaster from becoming total.

We're never going to get enough troops on the ground. We're not going to withdraw. Our guys will be stretched ever thinner trying to hold in a growing number of insurgents. And no one can tell the President he's wrong. Something's gotta give.


GravatarIt's my belief that god showed up and the universe was already here.

He said, WTF? shrugged his shoulders and moved in.


Just another opportunist.


GravatarFinally! I found THE outfit to wear to Eschacon... but I have a question.


GravatarHe was also very wrong on Ellsworth.
Gary Ruppert

is that so? I guess it's up to his detractors to keep score - he sure is right on the mark about what disgusting pukes repugs are. And he called them on being theiving murderers. He got that right too.

With or without a crystal ball kos rocks - his blog has the largest on-line community going and that rocks too. And you Gary? Just an asshat who hangs out where people think he's a cockroach.


GravatarHey! How the hell did Gordo rate one of those trolls dolls. Hmmm ... maybe I can steal it from him and finally get a date.


GravatarThey'll be more'n happy to push the meme that Mrs Sheehan is a tool of the loony left.

She doesn't give a shit. That's her power.
dave™©®


Her power is that she reflects a great uneasiness within middle america with the war and Chimpy's prosecution thereof.

Her pain resonates because they can identify with her. Anything that can damage that identification, damages her campaign.

Becoming identified with opportunists like Sharpton would damage her.

ANd the media have great control over whether that identification sticks or not.


Gravatarflory, I don't think that's a danger any more, that Sharpton will turn out more repig voters. But even if it is, how to stop it? Again, I think the self-flagellation is unnecessary. As gordo and the other idiots point out, correctly, we already have the losing thing down. Granted, it's hard when the machinery is rigged and the fix is in, but we can't keep replaying the losing plans. Nixon and Nam are still very much in play here, and that's the mistake the right is making. People aren't buying it like they did then, and we need to be proud of our freedoms, not ashamed like the republicans are. Proud to have people on our side that we disagree with and don't even like. We have lost precisely because we're not progressive enough, not left-wing enough, not passionate enough. They have won by being radical extremists. If it works for fear-mongers and warmakers, racists and bigots, rich oilmen full of disdain for you and me, it most certainly should work for GOOD humans. That's us. We're the peole that have changed the world for the better, time and time again. From the founding of this country, to civil rights, to labor rights, to environmental protections for the future, it's always been us. They live in a past that never existed; we work for a future that's better than the past. They are afraid, we are curious. They kill, we nurture. We can't do it politely, because they will never understand that.


Gravataroh, hell.


GravatarSo did the Harris poll have the same problem? And The American Research Group? Harris also shows a 40% approval rate, and The American Research Group a 36% one.


Now, Mom... you know trolls don't understand statistics.


GravatarDamn. The White Sox are going to win again.


GravatarIt's not too hard to have the largest blog of insane leftists. There's a lot of them out there.

The Daily Kosvda is the doom of the Democratic Party, and I support the destruction of the Democratic Party.


GravatarGina Ruppert is silly. Silly girl...


GravatarI love the smell of burning trolls in the morning.

It smells like...


Victory.




36%


GravatarBush is pretty darn popular, even now.
******************

and the information he had on iraqi wmd was darn good intelligence.


GravatarI'm going now to eat Velveeta, smoke hand-rolled smokes, and dream of W being BUSTED.


GravatarSo, have the Stormfronters reached Crawford yet to stand besides Cindy Sheehan?


GravatarEli--I've contemplated earning my Ugly American merit badge by learning how to say "I can't speak your language" in as many languages as I could.

Actually, by an amazing coincidence, it's the same in *every* language: "I... CAN'T... SPEAK... YOUR... LANGUAGE!"


GravatarRegarding Sheehan, I must fall back on the words of Lemony Snicket: "Anyone who's experienced it will never forget it. And anyone who's been spared it can't imagine it."

My own son is in the army now. He's a liberal like his parents before him. If he should fall, who will take his place?


GravatarI think it's too late for this country to get out of Iraq without being thoroughly humiliated. Lots of bad signs, esp the open disagreement at the top about whether to stay or go.

I won't be humiliated. I'd just like to see our troops come home in one piece.

I could give a flying fuck about Bush's 'legacy'. He deserves the greatest scorn that history can bestow on a man.


Gravatarand the information he had on iraqi wmd was darn good intelligence.




GravatarWell if Incog beleives in hell, than he must believe in intelligent design.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 1:35 am | #
************************

was that another one of your famous bitchslaps?


Gravatarand dance and drink and screw,
'cos there's nothing else to do


GravatarNow, Mom... you know trolls don't understand statistics.

Sigh. I know, son.


Gravatarand I support the destruction of the Democratic Party.


And quite obviously you favor a one party state.


GravatarI said I support the destruction of the democratic party but what I really want is a party with ponies and cake. Course mom banned me from having ponies since the incident, but I think the animal will pull through with therapy and reconstructive surgery. Besides, I have it's address and we will be together again so mom's opinions doesn't count for much anyway.


GravatarI won't be humiliated. I'd just like to see our troops come home in one piece.

Will you be humiliated when emboldened Iraqi terrorists kill millions of Americans in America after a "Surrender"?


GravatarThe United States gov't having private soldiers, unaccountable to Congress, do its work in Iraq strikes me as un-American.


GravatarBush's approval rating may be at 36% but 70% of the people still believe in The Devil.


Gravatarand the information he had on iraqi wmd was darn good intelligence.
Olaf glad and big


It's a Slam Dunk. Now where's my Medal of Freedom!


GravatarWill you be humiliated when emboldened Iraqi terrorists kill millions of Americans in America after a "Surrender"?


Exaggerating dangers just like the president, eh?


GravatarI'm about ready to gnaw on my kitt-ttee.
four legs good


Run, Maxx!!

RUN!!!!!!


GravatarAnd quite obviously you favor a one party state.

Nope.

I don't favor having one legal party. But if there's one dominant party and a bunch of second parties, that wouldn't be too bad.


GravatarI support the destruction of the Democratic Party.

There's Gary Ruppert's IQ on view for all to see, folks. This stupid fuckstick believes that our country can be improved by following the model of Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, Pinochet's Chile, Mussolini's Italy, and modern China by embracing the bestest of all possible systems of governance: the one party state.


GravatarWill you be humiliated when emboldened Iraqi terrorists kill millions of Americans in America after a "Surrender"?
Gary Ruppert | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 1:43 am | #



I dunno. I was never born. After we pulled out of Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh nuked New York City and killed millions of Americans (including my parents).


GravatarYou can't even get a simple thing right can you gary? Woody said mercenaries are scum. He didn't include nationality. Just, people who kill for money are scum.

You sound like you could use the money - and you sound like scum - why don't you show those darkies what a man you are. We know you're brave - you told us so, so many times.


Gravatar So, have the Stormfronters reached Crawford yet to stand besides Cindy Sheehan?

No, you still have time to catch up.


GravatarNothing in the Constitution requires that the Democratic party survive.

It will die very soon. It will be wiped off of the earth. Why? Leftists like Kos will destroy the Democratic Party.


GravatarWill you be humiliated when emboldened Iraqi terrorists kill millions of Americans in America after a "Surrender"?
Gary Ruppert -- 1:43 am


Nah

but i'd dance the happy dance all fuckin day if they got your sorry ass and cancelled it right the fuck out...


Gravatarwhen emboldened Iraqi terrorists kill millions of Americans in America

What Iraqi terorists? The one Bush is creating by occupying and generally fucking up an Arab country? The ones that did not exist before Bush invaded?

What will they use to kill "millions of Americans" the non-existent Iraqi WMDs?

Moron.


GravatarI don't favor having one legal party. But if there's one dominant party and a bunch of second parties, that wouldn't be too bad.
Gary Ruppert | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 1:44 am | #


So you're into the Mexican model for America. Good for you. I'm glad you're acknowleding the George Bush induced slide into third world status.


GravatarWill you be humiliated when emboldened Iraqi terrorists kill millions of Americans in America after a "Surrender"?

Like they did on 9/11, History Boy?

You don't appear to have the slightest grasp of politics, warfare, human interaction or common sense.

Thanks for stopping by. Grab a handful of Freedom Tickler condoms on your way out.

Smarter trolls, please...


Gravatar"My own son is in the army now. He's a liberal like his parents before him. If he should fall, who will take his place?
Darryl Pearce"

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GravatarI dunno. I was never born. After we pulled out of Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh nuked New York City and killed millions of Americans (including my parents).

The fall of South Vietnam led to Communist Slavery for those people. And then Laos and Cambodia fell to Communism.

People like Mark Felt are responsible for that


Gravatarflory, thinnk positively. We must, at this point, do that.

I do believe that this is a turning point. Look at the polls, the sonofabitch (literally) does not have support. He's fucked.

Write congresspeople. Write letters to the editor. Build on her momentum.

There will always be opportunists. We have to get, to BE, tougher.

SD


GravatarWhat Iraqi terorists? The one Bush is creating by occupying and generally fucking up an Arab country? The ones that did not exist before Bush invaded?

Zarqwai was an employee of Saddam Hussein.

And the extremists one to make the entire world into an Islamic Earth.


GravatarOh, I'm a good ol' liberal,
Now that's just what I am;
For this "fair land of Freedom"
I do so care a damn.
I'm sad I fight against it-
I only wish we'd won.
Still I don't want no pardon
For anything I've done.

I loves the Constitution,
This great Republic too;
I hates the jingo patriot,
who tells me what to do.
I hates the media zombies,
With all their brag and fuss;
But the lyin', thievin' neo-cons
I hates' em wuss and wuss.

We got one-and-forty-thousand
troops fightin' in foreign dust.
They break and bleed and die
for a war that isn't just...
I marched with all the millions
to bring the landgrab to a stop
But the profiteering toadies
got their contracts--good-n-hot!

So now they take my ballot?
Yet I fight' em now still mo',
And I ain't a-goin'to love' em,
Now that is sartin sho';
And I don't want no pardon
For what I was and am;
And I won't sit down, be quiet,
'Cuz I still do give a damn.


GravatarIt will die very soon. It will be wiped off of the earth. Why? Leftists like Kos will destroy the Democratic Party.
Gary Ruppert | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 1:45 am | #


That must be one potent blog. Can you imagine "pajamasmedia" destroying a whole political party. No wonder these people troll here.


GravatarIraqi terrorists

What a whack job!

Hey gary - how many terrorists responsible for 9/11 were Iraqi? How many terrorist attacks did Iraq suffer through before Shock and Awe? In the 15 years previous to pounding a 3rd world country to oblivion, how many international acts of terrorism did Iraqis commit?


GravatarYou don't appear to have the slightest grasp of politics, warfare, human interaction or common sense.

Just like a certain President I know.


Gravatarwow. gary ruppert is just completely insane.


GravatarIf I were in NYC there would still be restaurants open.


But no.


You can always have a bacon sammich. Got any eggs?


GravatarGary Ruppert:

Fat, stupid & drunk is no way to go through life, son.


Gravatarye gods, it's a *parody* trool.


Gravatar wow. gary ruppert is just completely insane.

I suppose it could be parody, but who can really tell anymore?


GravatarOldwhitelady:

I don't think black is your color.


GravatarWell, nothing new in the Troll Monkey Bitch Dance, same old racist, bigoted, ignorant KKKarl talking points, night all.


GravatarThe fall of South Vietnam led to Communist Slavery for those people. And then Laos and Cambodia fell to Communism.

| Homepage | 08.27.05 - 1:47 am | #


Such mindless, mindless sloganeering.

Chris Hedges calls this the "Linda Blair Effect".

We used to call it the "Linda Blair effect" in Bosnia. You think you've suddenly found the one, normal person that you can have a rational conversation with, and then after 15 minutes their head starts to spin around. It's just amazing how almost everyone becomes infected with the rhetoric of wartime, and they just parrot back the clichŽs they're handed. Whatever disquiet they feel, it's as if they can't express it. They're robbed of language.


GravatarDon't be so sure about Ellsworth. I'm here in South Dakota, and the news is good for now. However, I've got a $5 bet with someone at work that Bush will put the base back on the list.

Starting Sept. 23, he has, I think, at least two chances to do this.

Now that Daschle is gone, South Dakota no longer matters--certainly not as much as Texas.

When there's pork for Hammerhead Delay's state on the line, don't count your chickens before they're headless.


Okay that's a mixed metaphor, but it's getting late.


GravatarIt's too painful to stick around and see the trolls eviscerated.


Goodnight moonbats.




36%


GravatarThe fall of South Vietnam led to Communist Slavery for those people. And then Laos and Cambodia fell to Communism.

so I guess you don't wear Nike sneakers then, eh gary? just do it, Michael Jordan, etc... in league with the slave masters of Vietnam.

why aren't you warning us of the dangers of pho, and Nike's?

hippo-


Gravatarbut who can really tell anymore?

Other than merkin it's not possible to tell. Some of them really are that stupid and/or ignorant.


GravatarThat reminds me.... I served in the military. How bout you, Gary?

Ever see combat? Even feel a hot M16 shell drop down your sleeve at least? Ever pull your smarty talk to a DI with a boot on your back while you do pushups?

Ever think for yourself instead of letting Rush Limbaugh massage your colon and whisper 'Gold Bond Medicated Powder' in your ear?


Gravatarflory, Business Manager - Well, Ok, I guess I could go with the Lime Green!


GravatarWhat person in their right mind wants a war?

The neo-con scum that manipulated us into this war and are now setting the conditions for the next one, and the next one and the next one.


Gravatar Don't be so sure about Ellsworth.

He married the widda Garrett so he turned out OK.


Gravatarye gods, it's a *parody* trool.
nick carraway | 08.27.05 - 1:50 am | #


No. He's real. I meet this type in real life. I've got a coworker like this. He just comes out with the most insane shit like "all Muslims should be executed" or "I think all black people should not be allowed to vote".


GravatarThe fall of South Vietnam led to Communist Slavery for those people. And then Laos and Cambodia fell to Communism.

And the fact that Nixon illegally bombed Laos and Cmbodia back into the stone age had nothing to do with it.


GravatarHow many innocent Iraqis have died as a result of the invqasion?


Gravatar"... my fellow americans, our long national nightmare is over..."

Gerald Ford,
on Nixon's resignation


GravatarHey gary - how many terrorists responsible for 9/11 were Iraqi?

We don't know. The 9/11 terrorists used fake IDs.

How many terrorist attacks did Iraq suffer through before Shock and Awe?

Thousands, mainly from the Saddam Hussein regime.

In the 15 years previous to pounding a 3rd world country to oblivion, how many international acts of terrorism did Iraqis commit?

The First World Trade Center Bombing. They encouraged suicide bombings in Iraq. They have hardcore links to 9/11. Saddam gassed innocent Kurds.

Either you support the War in Iraq, or you support Saddam Hussein.


Gravatarfor Rupert and Gordon you pussies!

Pump it Up


Pump pump it up,

break break it down.

We are we are we are truckers,

dring trucks for Uncle Sam

Driving trucks the best we can.



Pump pump it up

break break it down.

We are we are foxs

Pumping fuel for Uncle Sam.

Pumping fuel the best we can.


GravatarAnd the extremists one to make the entire world into an Islamic Earth.

Hey, Hooked on Phonics - go back to school and Listen this time.


GravatarDamn these people keep interrupting me with facts, history and truth. When my handlers put in the boiler room I didn' think it would be too hard. They tell me something sensible and expect me to comply. It is just like my gym teacher who told me not to stick pencils in my ears in a silly quest for attention. The doctors always say the same thing when they do a MRI on my brain and ask me what a FABER No. 2 means. They always get a funny look when I tell them and then they get all judgemental. Damn doctors.


GravatarOr you can say:



Here's a little story,

A story should be told.

About an M1 Tanker

His name was Tanker Joe.



His home was in Kentucky.

The Land that God Forgot

The mud was 18 inches thick

The sun was blazin' hot.



Or you can say:

Submitted by Cadet Pvt. Robert Lechner

Deep in the battlefield, covered in blood,

lies and Airborne Ranger, dying in the mud.

He fought for his country, and died like a man.

Tho' some people back home just wouldn't understand.



(chorus)



Back at home a young wife waits,

unaware that her Ranger has finally met his fate.

Her little boy's cryin' as she tucks him into bed,

Although no one's told him, he knows his daddys dead.



{Chorus}



The boy grew up with a certain kind of shame,

His father was buried in a tomb with no name.

He finally got his chance when the country went to war,

he went to enlist just to even up the score.



{Chorus}



After seven months training he finally saw the day,

out of 93 men, he got his green beret.

As he stood there looking at the big cheering crowd,

He knows deep inside he'll make his daddy proud.



{Chorus}


GravatarSWR: the tragedy is, apparently, they are able to vote in significant numbers...


Gravatarflory, thinnk positively. We must, at this point, do that.

I'm actually very positive. Mrs Sheehan makes me smile everytime I see or hear her.

I just don't want the slime machine to have an opportunity to tear her down.


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Either you support the War in Iraq, or you support Saddam Hussein.


the flying spaghetti monster will smother your puny false dichotomies. smother you i n red sauce, or white sauce, or maybe pesto. silly parody troll.


GravatarThe First World Trade Center Bombing. They encouraged suicide bombings in Iraq. They have hardcore links to 9/11. Saddam gassed innocent Kurds.

Either you support the War in Iraq, or you support Saddam Hussein.
Gary Ruppert


Vice President Cheney is that you?


GravatarI think it's too late for this country to get out of Iraq without being thoroughly humiliated.

Sorry, but this country has already been thoroughly humiliated. Lying about nonexistent WMD to start a vanity war to give Georgie "political capital" have reduced our credibility to nil. Bush's use of torture at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo have completely eroded whatever moral authority the US had. Two and a half years on, the insurgency is as strong as it ever was and the Iraqi forces we're currently training are likely only going to end up being foot soldiers in a civil war. The only thing that might stop the downward spiral is a few hundred thousand more American troops, and that won't happen unless there is a draft (it has become painfully obvious that the vast number of war-loving pussies out there are never going to enlist willingly).


GravatarGary represents a new species of troll: The Rip Van Winkle Troll, who mindlessly recycles talking points that Bush himself has admitted are not true months or years ago.


GravatarLet me guess, you were Home Schooled, right Gary?


GravatarYou can always have a bacon sammich. Got any eggs?


I have eggs, but no english muffins.


I have bacon, but no tomatoes.

Maxx made me some toast though.


GravatarYou can't prove there were no WMDs. For one thing, they could be in Syria


GravatarYou see here's how Gary's logic goes.

He thinks that a blog (the Daily Kos) has the ability to destroy the Democratic Party.

In other words, he has a tremendously inflated sense of what a website can do.

But that applies to the war as well. He LITERALLY believes that by sitting up here at 2 in the morning and posting nonsense, he's doing as much for the war effort as someone in Fallujah getting shot at.

He literally believes this. That's why he'll go on with this shit all night.

Now you can do one of a few things. You can try to "debate" him but that's futile since he's just a mindless geyser of talking points. You can make fun of him the way you make fun of Gordon but he probably won't respond because he's consciously "trolling" (posting repetative shit) or you can ignore him (which won't do much good either since he'll just keep spamming).

So what's the solution? There isn't one. It's a blog/discussion board and if someone is determined and obsessive enough to spam it, he can do it.

Which reminds me, I have to clear those enlarge your penis ads out of my inbox. As a white man, I need them but a bigger penis would mean a lower IQ.


GravatarI just don't want the slime machine to have an opportunity to tear her down.


I don't think she cares.


That's what make her scary to them.


GravatarWe don't know. The 9/11 terrorists used fake IDs.

Wrong on so many levels. Show us the fake IDs. Surely, they survived the plane crashes, right?

The terrorists were identified. How many were from Iraq, Brain Warrior?

Stop talking, start listening, learn something about America and get back to us.

You're a fucking disgrace to this country. You dishonor every soldier who's given his Life for America, shit-hound.


Gravatargarry, i'm not one who encourages people like you to enlist, but in your case maybe it would be a good idea. you seem really frustrated. maybe you should go talk to a recruiter if you feel so strongly about it. i hear they've lowered their standards a lot lately, so even if they've rejected you before they might take you now.


GravatarDamn now they are calling me insane. Everyone comes to that conclusion, but I know better. If I just had that Troll Doll that Gordo owns, a little make up and a nice little purchase at Victoria's secret and I will show them. I am pretty sure the Troll Doll will understand and then I don't need anyone's respect.


Gravatarflory, Business Manager - Well, Ok, I guess I could go with the Lime Green!
oldwhitelady


Thats good.

Lime green is the new black.


GravatarYou can't prove there were no WMDs. For one thing, they could be in Syria
Gary Ruppert


Cheney it is you.

I can't wait until you run in 2008.


GravatarYou can't prove there were no WMDs.


Well, you guys spent MILLIONS and millions of dollars trying to prove that there were.


And you got nada.


Run along now fat boy.


GravatarI can't wait to see Dick Cheney run too, he would win easily.


GravatarMaxx made me some toast though.
four legs good


Toast, bacon, eggs.

Call it a bacon and egg sammich and have breakfast.


GravatarRuppert--sanctions were working. Iraq had less in the way of capabilities than they did before Gulf I. BTW, in case you've forgotten, Saddam bought his weapons from us.


GravatarSorry, but this country has already been thoroughly humiliated. Lying about nonexistent WMD to start a vanity war to give Georgie "political capital" have reduced our credibility to nil.

The Chinese were plenty happy to buy our bonds, though. I shudder to think what will happen when El Guapo tells them to 'fuck off, we're America!'.

Great job, values voters. Rhinestone Cowboy's Harvard MBA is paying off in fish and loaves.


GravatarSarah Deere - well, if she's not planning on leading a movement, she shouldn't be saying she is on TV.
Jennifer

Jennifer, fuck, I dunno.

I'm getting old and tired of all this crap.

She lost her son. If my son died bvefore me, I would be devastated. Devastated.

She know Bush et al lied. She knows this.

She;s not perfect. She's a p rivate citizen who has gone through the worst event a parent can endure (or not). Her mother has had a stroke. Her husband has filed for divorce. His repug family has spoken out against her.

She is assaulted by media, 24/7, because she is a "commodity" to them.

Please.

WHo among us could survive/withstand such pressures?

I mean...WTF.

None of us has had to step up to the plate in this way. WE haven't one fucking clue.

Frankly, I think Cindy Sheehan is as real as it gets, and we owe her, Big Time.

I sure as shit am not going to criticize her "performance" because she's not *performing* - know what I mean???


Gravatar...fudge (only I didn't say "fudge").


Gravatarolaf: the problem is, when I was young, I lost a few fingers in an unfortunate accident involving some M-80's and a frog.

Those darn things move fast!


GravatarCall it a bacon and egg sammich and have breakfast.


NOOOOOOO!!!


That's not what I want.


GravatarWill you be humiliated when emboldened Iraqi terrorists kill millions of Americans in America after a "Surrender"?

if this is not a parody, then this is the etiology of the pathology of him and his ilk-

humiliated, Americans in America, "Surrender"


GravatarWell, they could be on the fucking MOON, Gary, flown there on the space shuttle Saddam built in secret.

But that's about as unlikely as "they could be in Syria."


GravatarBesides, I don't have any good salsa.


Can't have eggs with out salsa.


Don't have any decent cheese either. WOE IS ME!!!


Gravatarspent MILLIONS and millions

...um, er, uh...

BILLions and BILLions of BILLIONS of dollars


Gravatar"Iraq? Incredible weapons, incredible weapons. How do y'all know that? Well, we looked at the receipt. But as soon as that check clears, we're goin' in! What time's the bank open? Eight? We're goin' in at nine for God and country and he's a Hitler and hey, look, a fetus! Whatever you need, let's go!"

-- Bill Hicks on the First Gulf War


Gravatar4Legs--I'd love to make you something to eat. We have the carrot cake, and I've got bacon, eggs, onions, peppers and cheese. Serve with some fried potatoes, and you've got breakfast.


GravatarThat's not what I want.
four legs good


For someone complaining of terminal hunger -- you shore are picky!!

Last suggestion -- get the alien carrot of doom from Maxx!!


Gravatarfucking MOON

...remember the "lost cargo-container ships of death"...? Oh, that was a good one!