I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Wanker.
Sully the Silly
Why is he so proud of that fact?
Why didn't we buy his summer house for back taxes?
Why has this issue re-emerged? Did I miss something this last week or so?
the bell curve is like the groundhog, emerges once a year until we kick it back in its hole.
But, I think howard dean's right - immigrants are going to be the whipping boys of '06, and this is part of layinig the foundation for the discussion.
When the Gestapo he so worships comes to drag Silly Sully off to the lampshade factory, I sure hope I'm there to yell "Told ya so!"
One of my proudest moments in journalism was publishing an expanded extract of a chapter from "The Bell Curve" in the New Republic before anyone else dared touch it.
Most people don't dare to touch dogshit either.
But, I think howard dean's right - immigrants are going to be the whipping boys of '06, and this is part of layinig the foundation for the discussion.
Atrios
I hate these people. Why do I get the feeling that 06 is going to make 04 look like a picnic.
Unrepentant, because 06 going to make 04 look like a picnic, alas.
I didn't read the book. Did they discuss how nigras can dance and sing real good, and have a rhythmic style to their music?
Who needs a bitchslap this morning?
Unrepentant, because 06 going to make 04 look like a picnic, alas.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
My Sen. Durbin is up for Re-Election and I can't wait. I just know the Illinois Republican party is getting all the parts together for their Slime Machine.
Well, thanks for all the good wishes from the NOLA thread - I'm off to gather supplies and figure out what the heck to do. Obvious smart thing is to flee. But no one saw this one coming - and it takes a while to get your head around the idea.
Bye all
I didn't read the book.
Lime Rickey | 08.27.05 - 10:54 am | #
Then perhaps you ought to shut the fuck up about it.
Speaking of illegal immigration, I got a kick out of this:
California's farm labor contractors and growers are struggling to find enough workers for the summer harvests because tougher border enforcement and competition from the booming construction industry and other sectors are shrinking agriculture's primary workforce: Mexican illegal immigrants.
According to the Department of Labor, 53 percent of the nation's agricultural workforce is composed of unsanctioned foreign laborers. California growers say that the number could be as high as 90 percent in the Central Valley and that they cannot survive without a steady supply of workers.
Farm labor activists who oppose the hiring of illegal workers say the reason farmers are dependent on foreign labor is that they refuse to pay workers higher wages and benefits.
They cite unemployment rates exceeding 20 percent in rural towns such as Huron and Mendota (both in Fresno County), suggesting that the problem isn't so much the supply of workers but their willingness to work under the current wages and conditions.
No shit, Sherlock!
...some say the state's booming construction industry is also siphoning off potential workers. Agustin Cardenas, a farm labor contractor in Dinuba (Tulare County), said his business -- usually a 300-man operation -- was down by one-third.
Jorge Resendiz, 23, switched from agriculture to construction eight months ago after working in the fruit fields for seven years. Resendiz, a native of Mexico's Guerrero state, now lays tile at job sites around Fresno.
"We're better paid in construction," he said. "We don't have to work in the heat. We have shade. We have water. And even if I have a half-day's work, I'll get paid for the full day."
Sully's favorite movie.
Well, that's a little unfair... who doesn't love that thing? 
Who needs a bitchslap this morning?
More to the point: Who needs a bitch?
Who needs a bitchslap this morning?
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 10:55 am
Not I.
But can you show us some more of your fascinating scat porn collection. I still think in awe of the sheer magnitude of dildo you must be to have such an extensive collection of poo-poo stories . . . and . . . the patience to steal handles and cut-n-paste these stories on a weblog that you don't agree with.
Wow.
captain bareback is beyond contempt. but if the reemergence of the odiuous bell curve is somehow related to illegal immigration, the Dems should not take the bait and use opposition to white supremacist theory to support illegals. best way to eviscerate repukes is to come out strongly against illegals. let smirk and his business cronies defend 'em. illegals bust unions, drive down wages and suck up public services. they are bad for racial and ethnic minorities in this country and it is not racist to be agin' em'. if dems wanna' peel off the yahoos in the red states going nuclear on illegals would stick it to the repukes big time. CA latino speaking here, child of LEGAL immigrants. Illegal Immigration is the Dem silver bullet, someone just needs to fire the gun!
And even if I have a half-day's work, I'll get paid for the full day."
dave™©® - Oh, surely not! They're - they're brown!
Gordi! What the heck have you been doing with my panties!
SLAP! SLAP!
Next time, use Daddy's shop rags for your sick urges!
SLAP! SLAP!
Then perhaps you ought to shut the fuck up about it.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 10:59 am | #
Did you get up on the wrong side of your mother's bed this morning? I'm asking a question: Was the superior musicality of nigras discussed in this book?
I was scrolling around yesterday's comments just now and found this piece of brilliance:
Well, Libbos, I know you hate this but it looks like there's gonna be a compromise on the Iraqi constitution.
Ha Ha
Another war won by Republicans.
Sloth | 08.26.05 - 9:26 am | #
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I wonder what it feels like to be SO wrong SO often. You really can't make this stuff up.
Oh, and fuck Handy Andy. As Bugs would say..."What a maroon".
Immigration is the Dem silver bullet, someone just needs to fire the gun!
irritated -- 11:02 am
Oppose Immigration...it's the polite way to be a fucking racist...
I didn't read the book.
Lime Rickey | 08.27.05 - 10:54 am | #
Then perhaps you ought to shut the fuck up about it.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 10:59 am
Read the post again, dicklick.
Wow, I pinched a loaf everybody! Come Look!
I think what this book clearly shows is that we need to bring up these inferior races to our own standards of high intelligence, so that all countries of the world can make decisions as intelligently as white-run America does.
I'm mean, we could "cull" them out, but it would take enourmous resources to eradicate stupid races from the planet - a world war of truly epic proportions that would destroy the white economy. You have to be mexican to even think of something so impractical.
Fortunately, nature has given us an ultimate weapon - the penises and vaginas of all these intelligent white folk.
We need to immediately begin a program of rampant, multiracial sex. We need to do nothing but send our sons and daughters into the ghettos of the inner city and the transient farm pickers, to sleep and be slept with and marry. But, every white women needs to have at least one pure white child, because we will need undiluted genes to mix with the second generation of mulatto children to really knock those stupid genes out.
Europe will have to do the same thing of course.
Then, the world. Since our manufacturing jobs will have all moved to inferior brown skinned countries by that point (which doesn't make sense ... but, white people are making that decision, so I guess it is OK), this will solve two problems at once. We will be improving the genestock of the world, AND find good stable working families overseas for our great grand children to move in with.
So we need to start working hard to get this plan into motion. I sugest going to fundementalist churches, which tend to be full of white people (who by nature must be smart), and pass out literature explaining why they must immediately divorce each other and start sleeping with brown and black people. Point out that this won't just be spreading smart genes, but will be a great opportunity to spread the word of God into new communities. Be sure to pass out copies of the book to them, and let them know they can contact the author if they have any questions
They cite unemployment rates exceeding 20 percent in rural towns such as Huron and Mendota (both in Fresno County), suggesting that the problem isn't so much the supply of workers but their willingness to work under the current wages and conditions.
dave??? | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 11:00 am | #
Cunthead Dave thinks it's ok for farmers to take advantage of illegals rather than see our own welfare slackjaws work.
Fuck the mexicans, right Dave?
Racist.
So we need to start working hard to get this plan into motion. I sugest going to fundementalist churches, which tend to be full of white people (who by nature must be smart), and pass out literature explaining why they must immediately divorce each other and start sleeping with brown and black people. Point out that this won't just be spreading smart genes, but will be a great opportunity to spread the word of God into new communities. Be sure to pass out copies of the book to them, and let them know they can contact the author if they have any questions
Mysticdog | Email | 08.27.05 - 11:08 am | #
Lots of racist spew from the moonbats this morning.
How 'bout you go burn a cross tonight MysticDog?
Racist.
Oppose Immigration...it's the polite way to be a fucking racist...
And so in tune with the currents of history; IIRC, there were books and screeds about The Passing of the Great Race and the need to restrict immigration so all those Southern and Eastern Eurpoeans wouldn't dilute our fine white western European elite heritage back in the 1890's.
Some people never change.
Well, Libbos, I know you hate this but it looks like there's gonna be a compromise on the Iraqi constitution.
Ha Ha
Another war won by Republicans.
Sloth | 08.26.05 - 9:26 am | #
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I wonder what it feels like to be SO wrong SO often. You really can't make this stuff up.
Cleveland Bob | Email | 08.27.05 - 11:07 am
Dems: WWII
GOP: Grenada and Gulf War Part I
I think I'll stick to a Dem war leader.
Oppose Immigration...it's the polite way to be a fucking racist...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar | Email | 08.27.05 - 11:07 am | #
Illegal or legal immagration?
You need to be more specific, blowtorch.
The Bell Curve was to the 90's that Freakonomics is to today, interesting statistics that don't take into account geographical and socio-economics stats. Sure, we need to keep studying, but generalizations equal only L. Ron Hubbards Dianetics in which the white race is considered the "Alpha".
Ah, comes the shitwitted gordito...
c'mon, gordito, bend over, spread those ass cheeks...sully needs a nother barebacked bottom...you told me just the other night you loved the feeling of a load of hot cum up your rectum....
or, to save yor ass, why doncha just blow me....
again...
Remember, kids: when you ignore it, it slithers back under its rock...
Most people don't dare to touch dogshit either.
Lab Coat Larry - 10:51 am
Funny you should say that. One summer evening when I was about 8 years old, I wandered out after dinner to play with the other kids in the driveway, as Philly kids will-- or did.
Sometimes parents would also sit out on the back steps, smoking cigarettes or just taking in the evening air or whatever. This evening, a group of kids was standing around Mrs. B's steps, and Mrs. B and her little poodle were standing nearby. She usually took the dog up to the grass median strip (we called it "the plot") to relieve itself.
They were all laughing and looking a a yellowish-brown cylinder sitting on the step.
"What's up?" I asked, and some wag said that somebody had left (the contents of) a can of Play-Doh™ on the step. Pick it up! they encouraged.
In my defense, the object really was perfectly cylindrical and looked like it just might have been popped out of a can. Sap that I was, I indeed reached out and, yes, actually touched the thing and started to pick it up. Just then the un Play-Doh™ sliminess and a whiff of dogshit hit me, and I dropped the disgusting thing while the crowd roared in delight.
Ah, the joys of urban proletarian humor! To this day I despise practical jokes. And it's why I don't engage our trolls, who are essentially the same kind of "Play-Doh™".
I'd have thought that sully's favorite movie might well be birth of a nation.It would seem to be a deficiency of murcan english that we have no word sufficient to describe a creature of this sort, but then the mother version doesn't seem to either, wanker is just a tad esoteric and not culturally embedded enough to suffice. Perhaps one of the african or asian languages might, being rooted in cultures more in affinity with the natural world and the germans might be able to concoct one of their jawbreaking compounds, but unfortunately we murcans are left while not speechless at least stutteringly underequipped.
c'mon, gordito, bend over, spread those ass cheeks...sully needs a nother barebacked bottom...you told me just the other night you loved the feeling of a load of hot cum up your rectum....
or, to save yor ass, why doncha just blow me....
again...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar | Email | 08.27.05 - 11:12 am | #
It's not hard to tell that woody spent some time in prison as someone's bitch. He's probably taken more balls off the chin than Johnny Bench.
Most people don't dare to touch dogshit either.
Obviously a guy who's never seen "Pink Flamingos"...
"Fuck the mexicans, right Dave?"
Ever been fucked by a mexican, Gordo?
"Fuck the mexicans, right Dave?"
Ever been fucked by a mexican, Gordo?
David Ehrenstein | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 11:16 am | #
No, but Woody has in prison.
Two cigs for a blowjob, was that your price Woody?>
It's not hard to tell that woody spent some time in prison as someone's bitch. He's probably taken more balls off the chin than Johnny Bench.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 11:15 am
It's not hard to tell that you're poorly educated and project a lot.
I'm pretty sure we covered a chapter or two in my University psych class too, to show what an utter twat the author was.
it is not racist to be against illegal immigrants. they allow plutocrats to exploit workers and drive down our standard of living here at home. it don't matter if the illegals come from mexico or ireland, they are ruining our economy.
this is econ 101. american jobs for americans workers. that should be what the Dem party stands for.
Am I just waking up from a 10 year sleep? Thought this fight had been fought and the BC had been labeled the fake it really was long, long ago. Who dug up this piece of trash?
See? The more you ignore it, the more it thrashes about.
Fun to watch...
Shorter irritated: I may hate the immigration, but never the immigrants.
Well knowing how the The New Republic is lossing money, surely it is nothing to cheer about.
that's right litte brother. I don't hate the immigrants, it's the practice of entering this country illegally and allowing repukes to give them american jobs. I'm wondering how many of the dems on this site support that? I'm the child of legal immigrants for god's sake.
can't afford to pay american wages and benefits? don't go into business. they come here to steal out jobs not take advantage of our non-existant services.
"One of MY proudest moments"- yeah, right. No matter how many people are hurt by the shameless huckterism of bullshit bigotry- It's all about YOU, eh, Sully?
Pathetic.
"Well knowing how the The New Republic is lossing money, surely it is nothing to cheer about."
Are you kidding? I can't wait for theat neo-fascist rag to go under!
sycophant SIK-uh-fuhnt, noun:
A person who seeks favor by flattering people of wealth or influence; a parasite; a toady.
I get paid by the post so it doesn't matter how stupid what I say is.
It was around the time Sully became editor that I cancelled my suscription to the New Republic and I haven't looked back.
Gordon, are those your Mother's panties
Not as big a vocabulary as Ted not as funny as Ricky Vandal but I suck with the best of them.
Gordon, are those your Mother's pantieson your head?
Those are my father's panties. I like the smell better. My parents are first cousins. So are my grandparents on both sides.
he should get back to work and prove that white light is better for working under than black light.
Paid by the Post!!!!
call Judy, she can get you in at the Times.
My sister and I are going on a date tonight. She's a FOXy babe but she won't let me slip her the tongue unless she's drunk.
Actually, AFTER everyone else covered it. And the book is nothing less than the Mein Kampf of modern racism.
Pompus Ass...He is his own bigest fan...Fuckin Log Cabin Repugs
Sure, the entire media might have been covering "The Bell Curve" but Sully was still gutsy. He devoted an entire issue of The New Republic to a book he hadn't even read. That's guts.
"One of my proudest moments in journalism..."
Silly Sully was not, is not now and has never been a journalist. In the classic sense of course.
I hope everything in Andy's closet matches the pink triangle that his GOP masters want to make people like him wear.
He and Mehlman make me sick!
it is not racist to be against illegal immigrants. they allow plutocrats to exploit workers and drive down our standard of living here at home. it don't matter if the illegals come from mexico or ireland, they are ruining our economy.
this is econ 101. american jobs for americans workers. that should be what the Dem party stands for.
irritated
Soooo, we should become like Pat Buchanan.
May I ask the immigrant bashers where "their people" came from?
Did they discuss how nigras can dance and sing real good, and have a rhythmic style to their music?
Lime Rickey
Let's not forget their love of watermelon and fried chicken.
The New York Review of Books tore "The Bell Curve" to pieces. It pointed out that credible sources were chronically taken out of context while studies whose conclusions unambiguously supported of Murray and that dead guy, were from non-peer reviewed journals financed by racist organizations.
Like I said previously, the book claimed to have shown Asians to be smarter than whites by the same margin that whites are supposed to smarter than blacks. I suppose most people reading this have no choice now but to join me in bowing down before our triumphant yellow masters.
Ah, Andy, Andy....You disappoint us.
"ANDREW SULLIVAN - THE POPE OF THE NEW REPUBLIC - GETS MARRIED TO HIS BOYFRIEND"
It has 2 fantastic photos..one is Andy dressed like the Pope...its way too funny
Oppose Immigration...it's the polite way to be a fucking racist...
The late Cesar Chavez fought brave and unceasing battles on two fronts.
The first was against wealthy Anglo growers who didn't want to pay Chavez's unionized farmworkers a fair living wage with modern standards of safety and hygiene.
The second was against illegal immigration, as Chavez perceived -- correctly, I would aver -- that the Anglo growers intended to use the increased supply of desperate rock-bottom-wage labor as a cudgel with which to destroy his union.
I suppose that Chavez must have just been a vicious racist all along. Thanks for clearing that up for us.
There really is an honest, non-racist, factually based left-wing case to be made for restricting immigration.
But damn, is it hard to have that debate without being called a bunch of names.
Look at it this way: who are the biggest single boosters of illegal immigration in the country? They are the heirs and assigns of the wealthy Anglos against whom Chavez fought: the ownership class in agriculture, construction, janitorial, et cetera.
Loosely policed borders in a poor and overpopulated world give affluent Republican business owners something that they desperately crave: dirt cheap, submissive, nonunion workers who can't sue and won't strike.
Those workers are not in fact as cheap as they look. Their presence does incur substantial ancillary expenses in health, education and policing. But the *employers* do not pay those costs. Taxpayers pick up the tab.
Privatized profits for GOP businessmen, socialized costs for the rest of us.
It's good old Bushonomics 101. And there are those on the left who shout angrily to defend this policy. Go figure.
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kudos to marquer. better said than I did.
how many of you progressive defenders of illegal immigration live in cities where unions have been busted by illegals? show of hands?
nothing is worse for african americans, the dem party's most loyal constituency, than illegal immigration.
Was Andy also proud of the fact that most of the contributors to that issue acknowledged they hadn't even read the book when they wrote their essays?
Not long after that issue appeared I got a call asking me to re-up my sub to TNR. Citing that issue, I said, "You've got to be kidding; not if you're going to publish that kind of sloppy garbage. And while you're at it, cancel what's left of this one."
nothing is worse for african americans, the dem party's most loyal constituency, than illegal immigration.
My understanding is that the unemployment rate for adult black males in New York City is above fifty percent.
Talk to the people who hire illegal day laborers, and they'll often say things like "Blacks are lazy and steal," which is something that I have had said to my face on more than one occasion.
Where I live, it is common to see roofing contractors sending their Mexican day-laborer help out on steeply pitched roofs, two or three stories up, with no safety rig whatsover. If these guys fall, they're toast. Similarly, on the ground, I see other men being sent into deep trenches with no wood shoring. Desperately dangerous, and a violation of law.
But to the money men, illegal workers are just easily disposable pieces of cheap equipment. A Juan got busted up on the job? Get another one. Plenty more where he came from. It's the same way in other low-wage, high-risk occupations like meatpacking.
I suspect the real reason these contractors won't hire African-American labor is that those guys would, correctly, refuse to work under such manifestly unsafe conditions. And by dint of being legal citizens, black workers have easy standing to invoke OSHA, or the state labor board, or retain legal counsel, with no risk of deportation.
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Charles "Bell Curve" Murray is also a known cross-burner:
...Near the end of his high school days in Newton, Iowa, Murray and some of his pals went out one night and burned a cross next door to the police station. To my knowledge, the reams of coverage accorded Murray for his pseudo-scientific apologia on behalf of racism have produced only two mentions of this incident. One was in a 1994 New York Times Magazine profile, the other a bit later on the Donahue show. In both instances Murray protested that he had no idea as to the racial significance of cross-burning. There were only two black families in Newton in those days, an old school chum of his added in the Times piece. Well. As it happens, I grew up just 30 miles away from Murray's central Iowa hometown, in an even smaller farming town with no black families at all. But somehow I managed to learn what cross-burning meant by the time I finished high school, and I expect Murray did too.
The most interesting thing a bout the debate over :"The Bell Curve" is how both sides agree with this basic premise- If there is a demonstrable difference between the races, this should lead to some sort of action, be the basis for some sort of public policy decisions, whatever.. There is no notion of accepting the famous pronouncement in the Declaration of Independence at face value: "All Men are Created Equal".
As I understand it, The New Republic comes out more than two weeks before its posted date, therefore Andrew is right that TNR was first.
Lay off Andrew !
Did you read his post today ?
He says TNR ran the only advance piece by Murray and that TNR's cover date is always a couple of weeks ahead.
Got any proof he is wrong ?
Hey Atrios, Adonis, or whatever your name is...were you EAC of a national political publication in your mid to late twenties ? Huh ?
Hey, I'm a DEMOCRAT , and will be until the day I die, but if Andrew says it, well hey, I'll believe him.
Enough of this childish blogger infighting. Frankly, from what I can tell, it doesn't seem to me like Andrew ever starts these things.
CAN YOU SAY JEALOUSY ?
thank you andrew's bud. andrew sullivan said he was the first editor to cover the bell curve in depth. he is correct. he says he is proud of this fact. sure, whatever. he also says he included several dissenting opinions cause he felt like it was a worthy debate. it was, and clearly still is.
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