I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Wow 1
Not 1
Boosh sed this? Okay, I'll check the link...
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Support the troops - impeach Bush!
Not 1...
Our authority, Dr. Reason A. Goodwin, says commercial messages do not officially count as "frist"... so congrats!
Bush, who personally intervened this week with a key Shi'ite leader in a bid to broker a deal on Iraq's constitution, said Iraqis were "making the tough choices and compromises necessary for a free and peaceful future."
Bush intervening isthe kiss of death
How the hell am I supposed to get any work done with threads proliferating like bunnies?
Mmm. Bunnies.
And speaking of commercial messages...
Well, of course Bush will supply the "resolve"; he's well known for that. The sacrifices will, naturally, have to come from other people. Can't expect him to provide everything, can we?
Why, from the LITTLE PEOPLE, peon; whomever did you think?
this cute little thing we call government is a huge fuckin lie.
impeach? that's good place to start but the whole thing needs to be burned down and reconstructed.
You talkin' to me? You talkin to me?
Yeah, didn't think so.
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SteveLG: Mmm. Bunnies.
Bring me my hasenpfeffer!
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"And when Iraqi forces can defend their freedom by taking more and more of the fight to the enemy, our troops will come home with the honor they have earned," he said.
Man this is sounding more like Vietnam everyday
"And when Iraqi forces can defend their freedom by taking more and more of the fight to the enemy, our troops will come home with the honor they have earned," he said.
Man this is sounding more like Vietnam everyday
Did someone say bunnies???
i guess hat wont be making the sacrifice, since like cheney he has better things to do than like fight for something he claims to believe in.
Bush, who personally intervened this week with a key Shi'ite leader
I'll bet Bushy asked him how much excercising he does? Also if he's heard the latest Saddam Hussein joke.
The Passive Voice Presidency in full effect.
Hey, I went on sabbatical to sacrifice for Shrub.... What's next, returning to work?
From now on, I'm referring to Bush as the "Crawford Coward" everytime I have to speak of him. Thanks, Cindy, for revealing him to the world.
Staying the course = choosing to lose.
Has anyone seen my Noble Cause in the shape of a Doughy Pantload?
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Bush, who personally intervened this week with a key Shi'ite leader
He encouraged appeasment for the Sunni Insurgency. You think George Bush is unpopular here, you should check out his numbers in Iraq. If the election was held today, who would win the election in Iraq, Bush or Saddam? I think we all know the rather depressing answer to that question.
Where in the world is Scotty?
In his radio address, he talked about Gaza before Iraq. Iraq is just boring to him now.
Um, how did Bush "personally intervene"?
...from his Crawford faux-ranch or from his
own private Idaho?
Did he just pick up the phone and call over there? His resolve and sacrifice must have been impressive.
Apparently there was a Shi'ite protest of ~100K yesterday. Why no mention in the major papers?
I question:
"'What is important is that Iraqis are now addressing these issues through debate and discussion -- not at the barrel of a gun,' he said."
Did he take a private tour to confirm that? If not, he should.
C&L has the video of Cindy Sheehan on Bill Maher's show last night.
No wonder Bush is afraid or her, she's just keeps focusing on his lies, and all he can do is try to deflect.
Compromise, compromise. Sounds to me like the only ones who are going to benefit are the Shite and Kurd men. Shia and women, not so much. Since when is disenfranchising over 50% of the population a compromise.
Two hundred billion dollars and two thousand soldiers worth of sacrifice so far, and the only thing to show for it is Iran having a new baby brother. Oh, how I wish someone could say that to the fuckwit on camera...
"What is important is that Iraqis are now addressing these issues through debate and discussion -- not at the barrel of a gun," he said.
What are all those bang-bang sounds I hear, Chimpy?
Lima: Where in the world is Scotty?
Alas, Scotty has gone to his Great Reward.
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from his Crawford faux-ranch or from his
own private Idaho?
shuffle diplomacy.
Bush shuffles around the ranch talking on his cell phone.
from his Crawford faux-ranch or from his
own private Idaho?
shuffle diplomacy.
Bush shuffles around the ranch talking on his cell phone.
True sacrifice would be increases in taxes for everyone to pay for this war and a draft so all had to fight it.
True sacrifice would be increases in taxes for everyone to pay for this war and a draft so all had to fight it.
(((Jeffraham and Curly!!!)))
"What is important is that Iraqis are now addressing these issues through debate and discussion -- not at the barrel of a gun," he said.
Huh?
Over a hundred Iraqis have died in the last few days.
WTF is this man talking about?
To the keyboards, Atriots! Man the phones, Eschatonians!
Time to make sure our Dems on the House Committee on International Relations and any persuadable Republicans vote to pass Rep. Barbara Lee's resolution which "requests (quoting directly from the bill), 'the President and directing the Secretary of State to transmit to the House of Representatives not later than 14 days after the date of the adoption of this resolution all information in the possession of the President and the Secretary of State relating to communication with officials of the United Kingdom between January 1, 2002, and October 16, 2002, relating to the policy of the United States with respect to Iraq.'"
The Dems have been joined by one Repub, with hopes of a second, Ron Paul (R-TX).
"Reported on Wednesday, August 24, by a meager number of media outlets (a search on Google News produced all of ONE result, this, from Political Affairs Magazine) Congressman Jim Leach (R) of Iowa has become the first Republican to publicly announce that he would cosponsor the bill (H. Res. 375) by representative Barbara Lee (D) of California."
Check out this entry, via antiwar.com:
http://www.dtmagazine.com/
specia...ningstreet.html
The sacrifices will always be made by those other people's children, (not our kind, dear)
/snark
Look who IS sacrificing...it's the blue state appeasers!
Scout--and they'd like us to sacrifice our kids, too. Frightening article on military recruiting in The Nation by Karen Houppert.
" True sacrifice would be increases in taxes for everyone to pay for this war and a draft so all had to fight it."
--scout prime
And I think that would bring a quick end to this major mess. The rich are not going to stand for an increase in taxes and both the rich and middle class will refuse to let their children participate in this war. The end.
Man, I go to get water and batteries and shit, and I miss like, what, 4 new threads?
Thanks for all the warm wishes on the hurricane thread. We're not planning to evacuate just yet. Mr. TJ just got back from a gas station where he had to break up a fistfight. Lovely. Apparently, the city is running out of gas. We filled up both our vehicles, so we're okay. But it's gonna get ugly, I'd imagine.
Only weeks away from the 2nd anniversary of this prediction.
And a year from now, I'll be very surprised if there is not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush. "
Richard Perle Sept 22, 2003
War criminal and now war profiteer.
And I think that would bring a quick end to this major mess
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Damn Haloscan.
It would be the end, mer.
So this talk of sacrifice is just bullshit
OT(but important):
If you live in/around New Orleans, get the fuck out NOW. Current NHC forecast track has Katrina making a BULLSEYE landfall across New Orleans as a high cat.4, possibly cat. 5 hurricane on Monday morning. I know there have been many false alarms for you folks in recent years, but this one looks like the real deal, because the model solutions are tightly clustered around the forecast track, and there is nothing in the synotpic picture that indicates any possibility of significant weakening.
If you wait until there is a general panic, it will be too late. You should pack up your essential belongings, board up your windows, and go visit your friends in Baton Rouge TODAY.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled Bush-bashing........
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
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sallyh, that protest wasn't noted because they were brown, non-Christian people protesting. So, they don't count.
I'll be very surprised if there is not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush.
Oh, there might well be a Total Fuckup Square in Baghdad by now.
so is baton rouge safe? ive got an aunt in prairieville, just outside it.
scout prime,
Did you not feed Haloscan today?
It seems angry with you.
Baton rouge is safe. All hotels are booked there. We figure if we have to evacuate we're gonna go to Austin and then Crawford. it's my only chance to go, because the office will be closed.
It seems angry with you.
Max Planck
No kidding.
Will have to make sacrifice
Sunnis reject Iraq's revised draft constitution.
So?
What now?
sallyh, that protest wasn't noted because they were brown, non-Christian people protesting. So, they don't count.
Nah, Buckeye. There were plenty of white Christians protesting the war who didn't get mentioned either.
First thing Congress will sacrifice next month is the estate tax.
Be safe, TJ. Our thoughts are with you.
I hear Crawford's supposed to be quite the party town this weekend.
HoneyBearKelly.: What now?
Now, the trools proclaim victory and purple fingers for everyone (as has already happened).
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So who put the starch in MoDo's Cheerios?
W. has jumped the couch.
Not fallen off the couch, as he did when he choked on that pretzel.
Jumped it.
According to UrbanDictionary.com, "jump the couch" has now become slang for "a defining moment when you know someone has gone off the deep end. Inspired by Tom Cruise's recent behavior on 'Oprah.' Also see 'jump the shark.'
And it just gets better from there...
Chef Dubya began his innovative Iraqi soufflé by giving Saddam a great fall, a la Humpty Dumpty.
Now he is hoping that the dish will rise to perfection on a layer of eggs served Sunni side down.
One can't even produce a decent omelette by such methods, let alone a soufflé.
"continued resolve".
Talk about a Resolution.
Gen. Myers was going on like this yesterday as well. He said that this military can do incredible things, as long as the civilians didn't let the military down by allowing the opponent to discourage them.
Basically: Clap harder! STFU! and it will all be OK.
The old bastard looked more tired than I've ever seen him, so maybe there is some blowback for supporting Bush over the military.
dave,
Even Tierney was semi-sane this morning. What's going on over there? Judy backlash?
"Our efforts in Iraq and the broader Middle East will require more time, more sacrifice and continued resolve," he said.
Gordo!!!!
They're playing your song . . . get off the keyboard, drop the Fritos, and grab a helmet.
Bush still hasn't answered the question:
What noble cause did Cindy Sheehan's son die for?
And we know "by whom".
The peons of course, (aka "we the people") have to sacrifice for ExxonMobil, and other Western oil companies, Halliburton and numberous defense contractors - that's the why we have to sacrifice, so they can make money via price gouging the peons.
And of course Bill Clinton is all for that dying of the peons as is good pal Wes Clark (surely Wes is preaching a different tune these days). Clark is pushing for even more sacrifice. Didn't Clark show up with MoveOn.org in the beginning?
As the Bill Clinton hobnobs with the Bushs all together wonder how the can save big oils contracts in the Mideast.
One Clinton jets to Alaska and Iraq with Republicans, and enthusiastically sponsors legislation with GOP lawmakers who impeached her husband. The other plays golf with former President Bush and accepts assignments from the current one.
All this bipartisan snuggling by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former President Clinton has some Democrats and Republicans questioning their motives.
Is this calculated politics designed to get the former first lady ready for a presidential bid in 2008?
It would be a safer bet to vote for Chuck Hagel.
More sacrifice = even lower poll numbers.
He's one clueless bastard.
Hey Lab Coat Larry! How goes it?
Even Tierney was semi-sane this morning.
I'll take your word on it. No way in hell I'm going to read that motherfucker...
Most likely, they realize what side of the bread their butter is on. 40% approval and dropping like a stone doesn't sound like the sort of wagon you'd want to be hitched to...
MoDo has been really strong since her return
Thanks, NYMary. Haven't quite reached "panic" mode yet, but it's looking pretty bad. I'll probably spend the rest of the afternoon moving all our books upstairs. I'm concerned about the possibility of no electricity for weeks on end following the storm.
This will end with helicopters airlifting the last remaining coalition members from the Green Zone as the Iraqi military moves in to take possession.
On Monday, it's going to be Yosemite Bolton against the Entire Fucking World, based upon the Angry Moustache's decision to wipe his arse with the UN millennium proposals within three seconds of arriving.
As Steve Clemons said, where's that leash, Condi?
Soon to be worn by every Times' op-ed writer...
Speaking of heroes, mine's Larry Greenfield.
MoDo is actually starting to write again, thank the red haired goddesses.
This will end with helicopters airlifting the last remaining coalition members from the Green Zone as the Iraqi military moves in to take possession.
sma
With Cheney and Rummy at the controls, just like in 1975.
Let's stop calling the renovated Pig Farm a 'ranch.'
not a lick of 'ranch work' gets done.
call it what it is: 1600 acre country estate of a city-boy oligarch...
and of course the fact that it's leased should be considered...
Gen. Myers was going on like this yesterday as well. He said that this military can do incredible things, as long as the civilians didn't let the military down by allowing the opponent to discourage them.
Wow. I imagine that the good general goes home at night and drowns himself in Scotch and waters. It must be a bitch to have risen through the military ranks only to end up doing little monkey jigs on TV scripted by doughy GOP jingle-writers.
Sunnis reject Iraq's revised draft constitution.
So?
What now?
It gets rammed down their throats, the Sunnis try to defeat it in the October referendum. Oh, and civil war.
I'd rather see a helicopter taking Bush from the White House than ferrying Americans from the Green Zone.
The Dems really do have steel themselves for a campaign that's based upon an appeal to the public to allow them to impeach the fucker.
Sallyh -- Are you home, now? How was your trip? And you're headed to Eschacon next weekend, yes?
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so is baton rouge safe?
Well, it's not quite as far away from the forecast track as one might like, but it is quite a bit further inland and presumably higher up than New Orleans. The center is currently forecast to go directly over the Interstae 10 bridge over Lake Ponchartrain. This would be particularly bad for New orleans, because the strongest winds from the storm would then be both pushing water from the Gulf into Lake Ponchartrain and from Lake Ponchartrain diectly into the city. This is almost a perfect recipe for the dreaded inundation of all the low-lying areas of New Orleans.
If the current forecast track verifies, Baton Rouge will be about 70 miles west of the center at its closest, out of the very strongest winds. But more importantly, there is no giant body of water right next to it to submerge it. Also, if the storm track shifts westward to go more directly over Baton Rouge, it will also have about 70 miles of overland trajectory before it hits, which will weaken it significantly, although it is forecast to be moving pretty fast.....
Now watch this drive.
NYMary, well the white, christian US folks were noted, but then the SCUM had to give equal time to the other white, 'christian' folk who were counter-protesting. Fair and balanced, you know.
Brown, non-christian folks protesting Baghdad? SCUM do not care. It's outside of the Green Zone.
(I fucking hope that ESPN has the cojones to show some highlights from the cricket on SportsCenter. There are a few good ones so far.)
well heck the only reason no ranch work gets done is all that dang uncleared brush. bush just hasnt had enough vacation time. plus he cant ride a horse.
[Warning: blogwhore]
Why not ask the Iraqi's what they think?
Might want to ask our allies, like the Australians, as well.
Too funny. Really.
Bush to tout Medicare drug plan in El Mirage
Billy House and Jon Kamman
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 27, 2005 12:00 AM
President Bush will preside over a round-table-type event at a West Valley RV park on Monday, where he will promote signing up for the new Medicare drug benefit.
The president will arrive at Luke Air Force Base on Air Force One shortly after 9:30 a.m. He will be greeted by military, political and community officials, but no formal event is scheduled there.
In the "Conversation on Medicare," to be held at the Pueblo El Mirage RV and Golf Resort in El Mirage after 10 a.m., Bush will focus on the prescription drug plans that will be available to seniors and the disabled under Medicare.
It is an invitation-only event for about 400 people, a White House spokeswoman said. How the invitees were chosen could not be learned Friday.
A west valley trailer park. Gosh all fishhooks.
Jeffraham--I'm happily at home, and yes, next Friday I'm off to Eschacon!
How's Curly boy?
Oddly enough, the Titans lost their third preseason game almost the exact same way they lost their first preseason game. I fell asleep around halftime. Floor sandin' is hard work!
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Bush to tout Medicare drug plan in El Mirage
That is hilarious.
c'mon, gordito, bend over, spread those ass cheeks...sully needs a nother barebacked bottom...you told me just the other night you loved the feeling of a load of hot cum up your rectum....
or, to save yor ass, why doncha just blow me....
again...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar | Email | 08.27.05 - 11:12 am | #
It's not hard to tell that woody spent some time in prison as someone's bitch. He's probably taken more balls off the chin than Johnny Bench.
Sallyh -- Are you home, now? How was your trip? And you're headed to Eschacon next weekend, yes?
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 11:36 am | #
I'll be there. Can't wait to see the reaction.
Also, if the storm track shifts westward to go more directly over Baton Rouge, it will also have about 70 miles of overland trajectory before it hits, which will weaken it significantly, although it is forecast to be moving pretty fast.....
thanks blerb!
TJ,
Having been in Miami for Hurricane Andrew, I recommend stocking up on bleach. And if the power is out for a significant amount of time, take the pictures off the walls. For some reason, once the AC kicks out, mold grows behind them.
But, DAMMIT, we are making progress
Bush to tout Medicare drug plan in El Mirage"
it's almost like they pick things like this on purpose, just as a big 'fuck you'...........
Hey, George - YOU broke it - YOU fix it!
blerb,
Any sense of the height of the surge?
And remember kids - when you ignore it, it slithers back under its rock.
It gets rammed down their throats, the Sunnis try to defeat it in the October referendum. Oh, and civil war.
And as Glenn Reynolds has pointed out, that's all the Iraqis' fault, the ungrateful bastards.
Why not ask the Iraqi's what they think?
Diane | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 11:38 am | #
You moonbats don't care what they think. You want to project your culture on theirs, as evident with your complaints on their constitution.
You can't have it both ways, blogtard.
wgrtheh
Sallyh: How's Curly boy?
Fuzzy, and especially needy, since I've barely been home the past couple of weeks (rehabbing the landlord's latest acquisition). So, each night, he's been getting a lot of attention, and lots of playtime with the toy I made using Soprano's catnip.
I think my being away so much has given him a complex -- when I get up in the morning, he comes in for his usual greet-n-rub, but as soon as I head for the bedroom door, he's off like a shot, around me, and into the spare bedroom, which is where the feeding takes place. I follow him, and sure enough, there's still a half-bowl of food there. Sigh. I top him off, and head out for the day.
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From neworleansonline.com -- the last paragraph is the most worrisome one as far as a large hurricane approaching is concerned.
New Orleans covers 4,190 square miles and sits 90 miles north from the mouth of the Mississippi River.
New Orleans city proper, shaped like a crescent (thus the nickname the Crescent City), is surrounded by water:
The Mississippi River at Canal Street has a width of 2200 feet, a bankside depth of 30-60 feet and a mid-stream depth of 100-180 feet.
Lake Pontchartrain, connecting with the Gulf of Mexico, covers an area of 621 square miles. The Causeway connects the south shore to the north shore and spans almost 24 miles, making it the world's longest over-water highway bridge. The Causeway opened in 1956 with a total cost of $51 million. A second bridge runs parallel to the first. The toll fee is $3 paid only on the north shore of the bridge.
New Orleans is below sea level. Depending on what part of town you are in, you can be from 5-10 feet below sea level. Generally speaking, the closer you are to the river, the higher the elevation.
Weird. Military helicopters flying over us all morning, pretty damn low. And I just saw a C-130 fly overhead. 82nd Airborne heading out from Ft Bragg, perhaps.
Cindy Sheehan, whose son died in Iraq in April 2004, has been holding a vigil outside the ranch seeking another meeting with him to press for the quick withdrawal of U.S. troops.
Is she back? I thought she left to be with her mother?
And remember kids - when you ignore it, it slithers back under its rock.
dave??? | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 11:43 am | #
Dave - you are the epitome of a stupid shit. You never post anything but references to me. You're obsessed and a hypcorite.
pseudonymous in nc: Weird. Military helicopters flying over us all morning, pretty damn low. And I just saw a C-130 fly overhead.
The BRAC commission has marked Nashville's air wing (8 C-130s) for realignment to KY & TX. The Guv has filed a lawsuit.
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WGG, where'd you get the info the fake ranch is leased? Just curious.
Can't wait to see the reaction.
You'll be lucky to remember it, if you ever wake up.
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Via Kos, Cindy speak - you listen:
I finally figured out George Bush's NEW reason for staying in Iraq. This reason has also been co-opted by the Move America Forward (forward to what: Fascism?) and the poor mothers who would be honored if their sons were killed in George Bush's war for greed and power.
Since the Freedom and Democracy thing is not going so well and the Iraqi parliament is having such a hard time writing their constitution, (and) since violence is mounting against Iraqis and Americans and since his poll numbers are going down everyday, he had to come up with something.
I have continually asked George Bush to quit using Casey's name (and) the name of the other Gold Star Families for Peace loved ones to justify his continued killing. He continues to say this: "We have to honor the sacrifices of the fallen by completing the mission." So the mission is now this: WE MUST CONTINUE KILLING AMERICANS BECAUSE AMERICANS HAVE ALREADY BEEN KILLED!!!
How can anyone, anyone in their right minds support this line of reasoning? I have been silent on the Gold Star Moms who still support this man and his war by saying that they deserve the right to their opinions because they are in as much pain as I am. I would challenge them, though, at this point to start thinking for themselves. Iraq DID NOT have WMD's; Iraq WAS NOT linked to Al Qaeda and 9/11; Iraq WAS NOT a threat or danger to America. How can these moms who still support George Bush and his insane war in Iraq want more innocent blood shed just because their sons or daughters have been killed? I don't understand it. I don't understand how any mother could want another mother to feel the pain we feel. I am starting to lose a little compassion for them. I know they have been as brainwashed as the rest of America, but they know the pain and heartache and they should not wish it on another. However, I still feel their pain so acutely and pray for these "continue the murder and mayhem" moms to see the light.
She shoots - she scores!
No wonder the brownshirts are crapping in their pants.
The more you ignore it, the more it thrashes about.
Really amusing, ain't it?
Well, I'm sure the advance work on El Mirage didn't bother to mention such dry details as this:
Median resident age: 24.6 years
Median household income: $33,812 (year 2000)
Median house value: $82,700 (year 2000)
New: El Mirage, AZ residents, houses, and apartments details
Races in El Mirage:
* Hispanic (66.8%)
* White Non-Hispanic (27.6%)
* Other race (26.2%)
* Black (3.3%)
* Two or more races (3.0%)
* American Indian (1.4%)
(Total can be greater than 100% because Hispanics could be counted in other races)
Ancestries: German (8.0%), Irish (5.2%), English (3.2%), Italian (1.5%), Norwegian (1.2%), French (1.2%)....
Yes, they'll be importing those 400 people from Sun City, next door. El Mirage's averaged 26 year old, Hispanic, making $33000 is probably not a big Shrub booster.
yeah dave, the logic is "we must continue digging the hole deeper because to stop would call into question the need to dig the hole in the first place".
Our efforts in Iraq and the broader Middle East
Looks like no one told Bush that everyone has given up on the Bush Doctrine.
I think I'll wander into my neighbor's house, screech "you're dumb!" and wander back out. Ought to make me lots of points in the neighborhood, don't you think?
There is something about being 'below sea level' that is very odd. I was visiting a friend in the Netherlands a while ago and remember having to go uphill to get to the beach. Think about that for awhile.
Let's dig a hole and throw Gordo in it!
WE MUST CONTINUE KILLING AMERICANS BECAUSE AMERICANS HAVE ALREADY BEEN KILLED!!!
Well, I'm glad Cindy Sheehan is saying it (she'll get more attention, I hope; though will the TV microphones listen if she says it to them?).
But some of us have been saying that since W. made his latest excuse for war.
And frankly, some of the pundits have noticed it, too.
Turn out the lights, George; the party's over.
Yes, they'll be importing those 400 people from Sun City, next door. El Mirage's averaged 26 year old, Hispanic, making $33000 is probably not a big Shrub booster.
Possibly, but I wouldn't be too sure about that.
"Cindy Sheehan, whose son died in Iraq in April 2004, has been holding a vigil outside the ranch seeking another meeting with him to press for the quick withdrawal of U.S. troops."
Has she ever "pressed for the quick withdrawal"? She's specifically disavowed that:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ci...as-
_b_6098.html
Your Liberal Media?
Baton rouge is safe. All hotels are booked there. We figure if we have to evacuate we're gonna go to Austin and then Crawford. it's my only chance to go, because the office will be closed.
TJ
Good. Go to Crawford. I have every intentions of spending many weekends in D.C. when Cindy moves her camp.
(So sorry about the evacuation. Let's hope this will not come to pass.)
I love the quote at the end from a story in todays LA Times...
http://tinyurl.com/e2lmv
The Cabazon Dinosaurs join at least half a dozen other roadside attractions nationwide that use the giant reptiles' popularity in seeking to win converts to creationism. And more are on the way.
"We're putting evolutionists on notice: We're taking the dinosaurs back," said Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, a Christian group building a $25-million creationist museum in Petersburg, Ky., that's already overrun with model sauropods and velociraptors.
"They're used to teach people that there's no God, and they're used to brainwash people," he said. "Evolutionists get very upset when we use dinosaurs. That's their star."
The nation's top paleontologists find the creation theory preposterous and say children are being misled by dinosaur exhibits that take the Jurassic out of "Jurassic Park."
"Dinosaurs lived in the Garden of Eden, and Noah's Ark? Give me a break," said Kevin Padian, curator at the University of California Museum of Paleontology in Berkeley and president of National Center for Science Education, an Oakland group that supports teaching evolution. "For them, 'The Flintstones' is a documentary."
No, no... El Mirage turns out not to be the source of Republican big bucks....
EL MIRAGE, AZ Political Contributions by Individuals
Ramos, Rogelio (Sheet Metal Workers International/I), (Zip code: 85335) $300 to SHEET METAL WORKERS' INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION LEAGUE on 05/21/03
Ramos, Rogelio (Sheet Metal Workers International/I), (Zip code: 85335) $300 to SHEET METAL WORKERS' INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION POLITICAL ACTION LEAGUE on 08/11/04
Jones, Jeff A Mr. (Riverside Rock & Boulder/Owner), (Zip code: 85335) $500 to NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE on 04/01/04
NULTON, DAVID P (IUPA/FIELD REPRESENTATIVE), (Zip code: 85335) $1000 to INTERNATIONAL UNION OF POLICE ASSOC AFL-CIO LAW ENFORCEMENT POL ACTION (I U P A LEPAC) on 02/15/04
GARCIA, TRACY L (HOMEMAKER/VOLUNTEER), (Zip code: 85335) $1000 to ALEXANDER FOR SENATE INC on 12/12/03
JP: this was a C-130 flying SW. And more than one, I presume, since I heard a helicopter escort about two hours ago...
And there's another C-130, with a Blackhawk escort...
"For them, 'The Flintstones' is a documentary."
LOL
You moonbats don't care what they think. You want to project your culture on theirs, as evident with your complaints on their constitution.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 08.27.05 - 11:44 am
Goddamn, you are a fine specimen of stupid.
The complaints about the constitution have more to do with the fact that Bush lied to start a war to end up with a theocracy.
RealTexan--that was a most nauseating article.
For real dinos in LA, visit the Page Museum and the La Brea Pits.
Any sense of the height of the surge?
From NWC advisory for Louisiana:
...STORM SURGE AND STORM TIDE IMPACTS...
KATRINA IS EXPECTED TO MAKE LANDFALL ALONG NORTHERN GULF OF MEXICO
COAST AS A MAJOR HURRICANE. WHILE EXACT LOCATION LANDFALL IS
UNCERTAIN AT THIS TIME SIGNIFICANT STORM SURGE FLOODING UP TO 18 FEET
IS POSSIBLE NEAR AND TO THE RIGHT OF THE LANDFALL AREA.
Note that in the case of New Orleans, hovever, because it is actually south of Lake Ponchartrain, the worst surge will be just to the left of the center, which is exactly where the city is forecast to be.
Baton rouge is safe. All hotels are booked there. We figure if we have to evacuate we're gonna go to Austin and then Crawford.
Good for you! When you've got lemons...!
You want to project your culture on theirs,
Comedy gold.
Terry Michael, writing in Thursday's Washington Times, said the Crawford protest "is the opposite of reasoned debate."
"It's a sideshow of verbal combatants yelling past each other," wrote Michael, founder of the Washington Center for Politics & Journalism. "For average citizens to be presented with meaningful alternatives to the current war policy, we must have legitimate, fully engaged discourse, with intelligent voices coming to competing conclusions."
Tell us, Oh Intelligent One, what conclusions do you draw?
Last night I left here in a funk of disappointment and despair over living in a country that has seemingly lost it's way. Led into a stupid, wasteful war by a corporate stooge waving a Christian flag, I see that millions of otherwise decent, hardworking people have completely forgotton the basic teachings of a saviour that they claim to follow. Greed, fear, and thirst for power have made the ones we used to look to for guidance into cardboard people without heart, soul or even, it seems, sense. After Gordon pissed in our bathwater last night, I'd finally had it, and I turned the computer off.
But, thanks to a vodka martini, an enjoyable movie on the DVD player, and some loving, committed, married sex, I'm once again ready to put my foot sideways up Bush's ass.
Go, Atriots.
"Cindy Sheehan, whose son died in Iraq in April 2004, has been holding a vigil outside the ranch seeking another meeting with him to press for the quick withdrawal of U.S. troops."
When Bush first made that claim, in Idaho, the NYT reported it and immediately rebutted it in the remainder of the article.
But the press is lazy, and repitition by the GOP becomes reality.....
Morning batties.
I see the wankering is prolific this morning.
Well, the Easily Agitated Dog is now awake and demanding that I go DO SOMETHING about the Boston terriers. So, I shall go read the paper to them.
A nickname for chimpie borrowed from WW II: ole blood and guts.
As in the movie Patton, a GI says of Patton, "His guts and our Blood."
Look in the upper right hand corner.
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"But, thanks to a vodka martini, an enjoyable movie on the DVD player, and some loving, committed, married sex, I'm once again ready to put my foot sideways up Bush's ass.
Go, Atriots.
nittacci"
sounds like the only way to live/enjoy the chimpco years...hunker down.
nitacci
that's the best kind of sex, aside from all the other kinds.
gravatar greatness: "somebody get me a flame, I'm having a nic fit"
Let's stop calling the renovated Pig Farm a 'ranch.'
not a lick of 'ranch work' gets done.
call it what it is: 1600 acre country estate of a city-boy oligarch...
and of course the fact that it's leased should be considered...
WoodyGuthriesGuitar | 11:34 am
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Cripes! It's feakin' LEASED?
But, for sure, DO NOT call it the "ranch." Estate, yes. Compound, yes.
Which brings to mind the comment (was it Hecate's?) that is should be "Compound W."
Which for some reason I immediately saw as Preparation H (and he is, for sure, a pain in the ass), but wart removal would be just as good.
If only...!
Cindy Sheehan was on Bill Maher's show last night by satellite and Maher didn't disappoint. He tried to push his, and Bush's agenda, onto Mrs. Sheehan, by asking her if she doesn't really believe that "democracy is on the rise" in the Middle East. Mrs. Sheehan wasn't buying what Maher was trying to sell. She told him that you can't force democracy upon another country at the point of a gun and support a war that is based on lies. He also asked her another bizarre question, asking her, when this is over, if she would miss being in the spotlight. Mrs. Sheehan replied quite patiently that she is not doing this for herself but for her son and wanting to stop this war so that more Americans and innocent Iraqis are not killed. I suspect for someone like Maher, who seems to crave the spotlight, this may be a difficult concept to grasp. This woman has more courage and integrity than Bush and Maher will ever know.
Gordon, are those your Mother's Panties on your head?
one of my favorite wingnut arguments is:
"hey liebralz, if you support higher tax rates, why don't you donate some of your hard earned money to the government?"
we hear this quite frequently in the nether regions of wingnuttia.
o.k. fine, i will start donating money to government programs when the chickenhawks start donating money to the government for the prosecution of the war. and i don't mean programs to help get troops armor or some other private aid venture, i mean cutting a big fat check to good 'ol uncle sam (or halliburton, i mean every penny they collect from donations will spare the u.s. gov't the need to kick it down)to aid in the prosecution of the war.
"freedom isn't free", so surely one could sacrifice this weekends greens fees for the COLLECTIVE security of the nation.
...He tried to push his, and Bush's agenda, onto Mrs. Sheehan...
I got the impression that Maher was simply trying to undercut the potential GOP talking points by feeding her those supposedly tough questions. She seemed prepared for them, as if it had been worked out in advance...
Why don't they appreciate the "noble cause" of being "flypaper"?
“The presence of the US airbase has become against our interests,” said Muriddin Zayniddinov, a senator representing the constituency where the US airbase at Karshi Khanabad, known as K2, is located.
“A man with two faces cannot be a friend of Uzbekistan,” Zayniddinov said in a speech before the assembly.
...
“We have received a lot of complaints from local people that the US airbase is spoiling the environment,” he said.
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“We know that usually where US bases are located fundamentalist and extremist groups appear. If you have a foreign military base in your country you will have a new enemy who will try to eliminate this base.
“We no longer want to be in between” these two forces, he said.
Why doesn't anyone seem to want to buy the lies Bush calls freedom? Why does the whole world hate America?
She seemed prepared for them, as if it had been worked out in advance...
More than likely it is about the 40th time she has had to answer those questions from the SCLM.
TRULY: "i'll supply the resolve, you supply the sacrifice"
Gordon, are those your Mother's Panties on your head?
Chris Tucker
Chris, you shouldn't be making fun of Gordon's sister that way. Apparently she's got enough problems.
Did the troll actually criticize us for imposing our cultural attitudes on an Islamic country?
It's a Bugs-and Daffy moment, my friends.
"It is!"
"It Isn't!"
"It is!"
"It Isn't!"
"It is!"
"It Isn't!"
"It isn't!"
"It is!"
"It Isn't!"
"It is!"
All right, Gordon, it's a bad idea to criticize the Iraqis for their governmental processes...
...or invade them 'n shit...
TRULY: "i'll supply the resolve, you supply the sacrifice"
well, in all honesty remaining "steely eyed" in the face of adversity is hard work, it's hard work.
The first time he has been explict in any way about expecting more dead american soldiers.
But again, why are they dying? what was that 'noble cause'? Do tell us, George, go on...
More than likely it is about the 40th time she has had to answer those questions from the SCLM.
40th? Try 4,000th...
None
Unfortunately, for about the past eight or nine months, Maher has been a big believer in advocating Bush's position of staying the course. Al Franken is another convert and has little tolerance for anyone daring to make the suggestion that setting a timetable for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq might be a good idea. The surprising thing is that these two were around during something called The Vietnam War and one would think that they would recognize that the phrases "stay the course, cannot cut and run, we are this close from ultimate victory", etc, are almost the same exact words that were said by our leaders forty years ago as they are today and sound just as hollow and invalid now as they did those many years ago.
More than likely it is about the 40th time she has had to answer those questions from the SCLM.
Possibly - I might be the only person left in America who hasn't seen an MSM interview with her yet. But in general, I'd expect that the format of his show requires him to prep his interviewees more than most.
this cartoon by Jim Morin of the Miami Herald is worth wider distribution:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamihe...ons/
2571886.htm
Well, thank God that the Iraqis are dealing with their problem through discussion and debate rather than, as our idiot in chief says, "The barrel of a gun." I guess our soldiers are dying because of... boredom with the debates?
Unfortunately, for about the past eight or nine months, Maher has been a big believer in advocating Bush's position of staying the course.
I think that is a gross misrepresentation of his (and Franken's) position. Neither are advocating the stay-the-course approach in the way Bush means it. Rather, they see the potential damage that a civil war that cascades into a middle eastern war could do to the world's economy.
Why should Maher and Franken think that, with Bush still in charge, our troops can do anything to avert a civil war? If there is any way to avert a civil war, it's either to let the Iraqis work it out themselves, or get ourselves the fuck out and let the UN do what they can.
As long as the Chimp is in charge, everything will continue to be screwed.
BTW, Maher totally lost me with his "get over it" rants in 2000-2001. A true civil libertarian would have been leading the charges in the streets on behalf of the 90,000 unfairly disenfranchised Floridians, if nothing else.
Maher's only concern is Maher. He may occasionally suppor the same positions we do, but he's really not interested in changing things.
I propose that we "sacrifice" HIM!
Bill Maher is a sexist asshole.
For that alone, he should go to hell.
He's actually said that we could have won in Viet Nam.
Never mind that HIS ass wasn't on the line over there.
I also don't like the way he trashed Bill Clinton. He NEVER trashes Chimpy like that.
Smug white guys don't cut it for me in comedy.
Maher couldn't carry George Carlin or Lewis Black's jockstraps.
He's just not funny!
Erroll:
Don't forget "peace with honor."
THAT from Tricky Dick.
He NEVER trashes Chimpy like that.
Are you kidding?? Did you see his recent HBO special, I'm Swiss? The whole thing was an anti-Bush tirade.
Saying that we could have won Vietnam, or Iraq, is a totally different thing than saying we should have gone to war or that it was led correctly.
And yes, he is sexist.
First... nice picture of Gordo Chris.
Maher is alright at times, but I can take it or leave it. And right now, my cat on my lap is preventing me from typing expeditiously.
More sacrifice?
More sacrifice???
It's not a sacrifice unless everyone feels it.
So, Mr. Nitwitdent, sacrifice your fucking August vacation. Sacrifice your private, gas-guzzling jet at taxpayer's expense.
Sacrifice YOUR fucking kids.
Draft Jenna!
yep.
More time, More sacrifice, More resolve, but no more planning.
SOS == Same Old Shit.
Can't say we didn't see this coming back in November. Must be what the American people want.
When's the next flight to Canada?
Looking at Gallup's numbers on the Polling Report site-- Bush was hovering +/- 3 points or so within 50% for most of the time since Saddam was caught. People willing to give him the benefit of a doubt. A few spikes one way or the other.
But in the month since he started his vacation with Cindy, his overall rating has been 45% or less, 40% in the latest. No sustained low, this low, before-- it's on its way down like Karl Rove easing himself into a hot tub.
And why not? What's he got to fight it with? Stay the course = pray things calm down, period. Not even more armor. And the polls show people realize this.
The only thing that will save him is to give the impression that he knows what he's doing-- which he's constitutionally incapable of. He thinks it shows weakness to "back down", ie, admit he was wrong and try something else-- like firing Rummy.
Would another terrorist attack help? Spike, maybe, but nothing can change the fact that he doesn't have the brains or the desire to think himself out of this, and no one can tell him he's wrong. And he's got 3 more years to flail around in there.
I'm not happy about it. I wish he wasn't so brain-damaged and arrogant, for the sake of people whose lives will be ruined because of him. The faith-based govt types brought it on themselves-- unfortunately on us as well.
Sorta on topic, my latest podcast is posted: In which NTodd looks at Bush's plummeting approval ratings, the anti-Cindy tour, and Vietnam versus Iraq. (25:00)
Rest assured I will whore this again on the next open thread.
re maher:
ari fleischer saved his ass. his abc show was dying and the white house threat gave him a new cache that maher parlayed into the hbo gig.
he has an extreme contempt for white women judging by his commentary and jokes. note his ugly comments about britney spears and, particularly, madonna on last week's show. otoh, he's fetishized black women. maybe deniro can get away with it, but not maher.
i just think there's something pathetic about a 50-year-old white man hanging with a bunch of rappers half his age.
Retrofit the chopper, add some date palms. Dust storm in the background would be a nice touch. Tell me, don't the third guy down on the ladder, the chubby one, look like Chalabi?
http://s88741803.onlinehome.us/
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Way upthread--"Dinosaurs lived in the Garden of Eden, and Noah's Ark? Give me a break...For them, 'The Flintstones' is a documentary."
Ha! Now I know why I come here.
So, Mr. Nitwitdent, sacrifice your fucking August vacation. Sacrifice your private, gas-guzzling jet at taxpayer's expense.
Sacrifice YOUR fucking kids.
Draft Jenna!
Litz |
Sacrifice?
Send those two heifers of YOURS, Georgie Bitch!
Tinfoil
"Gross misrepresentation of Maher's and Franken's position"- I think not. Maher has been saying and believing this since at least his last season of his show, in early '05. On one show, he said that "freedom is on the march" and Tim Robbins called him on that, as Cindy Sheehan did, by trying to explain to him that a country cannot force democracy upon another country at the point of a gun. Maher just looked at him and had nothing to say, probably because Maher's position was indefensible. On almost every show last season, he made sure to push the idea that "freedom is on the march". As for that alleged flaming liberal, Al Franken, back in June or July of this year, Franken had Boston Globe columnist Thomas Oliphant on his radio program and, as time was winding down, Oliphant said that it was time for the U.S. to at least start thinking about a timetable to withdraw the troops. Even this mild suggestion didn't sit well with Franken, who said, derisively, that proposing a timetable would not be a good idea and then time ran out before Oliphant could respond. I suspect that if you listen to Franken's show, the chances that Franken will have an anti-war, pull-the-troops-out view are slim to none. Because Franken backed Kerry [as I did] during the election, his position mirrors that of Kerry on Iraq, which is basically the same as Bush, which, again, is "stay the course, cannot cut and run", etc. Liberals are ecstatic that Chuck Hagel and Russ Feingold are mentioning the word withdrawal. But the devil is in the details. Hagel says the U.S. should wait six months and, if the situation hasn't improved, THEN start discussing troop withdrawal. Feingold's much lauded plan does not go into effect unti sixteen months from now. To endorse either one of these scenarios could quite possibly mean the deaths of a thousand more Americans along with tens of thousands of wounded and maimed and mutilated Americans and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis along with a thousand Gold Star Families being in a perpetual state of grief. As Andrew Bacevich, who teaches international relations at Boston Univ. and is a West Point Graduate and a Vietnam War veteran, said in an article in The Washington Post earlier this week, it is time to "Call It A Day" and bring the troops home with all due speed, in months rather than years.
As an earlier poster has pointed out and I agree, our experiment with the 200+ years of Jeffersonion Democray has just about run its course.
Between the Christo-fascist wingers, the Ayn Rand capitalist pricks and the Neocons, Amercia is in its last throes. I give it maybe another 100 years and it will be completely in the shitter of history.
Let's dig a hole and throw Gordo in it!
David Ehrenstein
Only if we can toss Bush in with him!
Bill Maher is a sexist asshole.
For that alone, he should go to hell.
He's actually said that we could have won in Viet Nam.
Never mind that HIS ass wasn't on the line over there.
I also don't like the way he trashed Bill Clinton. He NEVER trashes Chimpy like that.
Smug white guys don't cut it for me in comedy.
Maher couldn't carry George Carlin or Lewis Black's jockstraps.
He's just not funny!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat | Email | 08.27.05 - 1:18 pm | #
And you wonder why I call you a dumb cunt?
"Bush has said withdrawing now would only embolden insurgents who have sought to derail the drafting of an interim constitution."
1. So now even Bush is calling them insurgents? No more 'terrorists' or 'extremists?'
2. The way the wingnuts followed the script early in the first term 'boldness' was something to be admire. The president was considered 'bold' enough to make the tough decisions, blah, blah, blah.
But now boldness is attributed to negative things?
What idiots.
MYOB'
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"Now watch this drive."
More sacrifices.... well, there's till all that Social Security money to steal......
YET ANOTHER NEW POLL BACKIN' UP SHEEHAN'S CAUSE:
WEAR/ABC-TV POLL, FLORIDA, AUG. 27
"What do you think of Cindy Sheehan's protest?"
~She's making good points: 67%
http://www.weartv.com
PREVIOUSLY....
SAN MATEO JOURNAL NEWSPAPER POLL
"Do you agree with Cindy Sheehan?"
~YES: 73%
http://www.smdailyjournal.com/po...=18&
opinion=Yes
WRAL/CBS-TV POLL, NORTH CAROLINA, AUG. 21
"What do you think of Cindy Sheehan's efforts?"
~Sheehan is noble & right: 52%
http://www.wral.com/news/4480836...836/
detail.html
The problem with the easy apparent win over the Taliban was that it encouraged Bush to think he could go for a quickie in Iraq that would not involve much sacrifice. It is best that the US be roundly beaten in Iraq, for then we will not repeat it anytime soon.
"By whom?"
Certainly not by Atrios, who reserves the right to gloat over every setback, to mischaracterize and distort at will, all the while proclaiming that "he supports the troops."
asshole.
asshole
There's that intelligent, nuanced Left we know and love.
The answer to your question is: mostly Republicans, who make up about 80% of the military.
The military, btw, still overwhelmingly supports the war. You know, the people actually fighting and dying to make Iraq a better place, while the Left calls them inept torturers.
It is best that the US be roundly beaten in Iraq, for then we will not repeat it anytime soon.
Thank you. See, who says the Left isn't rooting for victory, or doesn't support the troops?
HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION THE LEFT'S PATRIOTISM!!
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