HULK SMASH!!!
HA HA HA HA HA YOU LIBERASL ARE LOOSERS IM FIRST
For fucks sake, SLOW DOWN!!!!
These threads are starting to remind me of SF MUNI buses. You wait an hour, then six of them come in a row.
actually, atrios, i wonder if the real watchdogs will be the bloggers and netziens following all the details.
we've got people like our own otter and kyle over at americablog on the ground, providing relief and getting things done that the fema folks still can't seem to manage.
this is a metastory for sure, and i think it's going to take more than just a cadre of dc based reporters interested in occasionally slumming in an adventure zone to cover all the details right.
The much anticipated land grab is actually going to be a lot tougher than the external folks planned I'm afraid. One of the places that sustained a great deal of damage were the New Orleans Notarial Archives where all property records are kept - and without which no deed can be executed.
They did manage to save some of the historical stuff, like receipts written by Jean Lafitte, but - it's going to be damned difficult to transfer property in New Orleans for a long time. Napoleonic Code, don't you know.
HOPEFULLY NEW OLREANS WILL RISE AGAIN OUT OF THE WATERS AND LIKE THE PHOENIX OF LEGGEND SHE WILL END UP IN ARIZONA
The Garden District and the French Quarter and anywhere there is a big hotel -- I guess they will just have the workers live on barges on Lake Polluted
" You'll be the only watchdog for this."
lol
this is right up there with that dog tags remark from before.
are bloggers really this self important?
god help us
he means the media you mental midget.
$52 Billion and probably more to come? Let the real looting begin.
There are going to be land grabs and corruption and bribery and efforts by the NO elite to keep the poor from returning.
What, they're not all going to want to stay in the Astrodome? I thought that was working so much better for them.
it's going to be damned difficult to transfer property in New Orleans for a long time. Napoleonic Code, don't you know.
That's where the Supreme Court decision about "imminent domain" will come in quite handy.
Paging Chief Justice Roberts, your payback is due....
pant...pant...pant...can't...keep...up...with... atrios...pant...pant...pant
And again, at the risk of bein excessively repetitive, we've all got to apply th eappropriate operant conditioning to our respective media outlets for how they cover all of this.
The outrage needs to carry all the way through 2006, so every time the Busheviks try to do something bad, which they most certainly will, we need to be all over our arbiters of the truth like flies on shit demanding that they tell the stroy the way we ant to hear it....
I would think some kind of buffer zone whether it be a wide swath of park land, non-residential zoned contstruction etc. will be built around the adult amusement park that is the French Quarter so the drunk white guys in for the big sales conference can feel more comfortable stumbling around with their 24 ounce beers.
Oh I give up!
I can't seem to type fast enough to keep up with this deluge of threads without it becoming unintelligible.
uncle smokes beat me to it. again, i wonder just how many of us are wholly familiar with all the fine print of the patriot act, various executive orders relating to terra and fema, and of course the implications of the SCOTUS case on domain.
somehow, in this lawless age, i don't see a bunch of displaced poor black folks being successful against boosh supporting corporate necrophile "developers." especially after that rep's quote about god "cleaning out new orleans."
The Garden District and the French Quarter and anywhere there is a big hotel -- I guess they will just have the workers live on barges on Lake Polluted
Liars for Bush
With a democratic governor and mayor, there's a much better chance that won't happen. Let's just hope they're up to the task of fighting for their people.
Perhaps we should plan a memorial park in the shape of a huge communion wafer, just to keep the evangelist right frothing.
not OT, due to the fundamental interconnectedness of all things:
"Michael Brown has done everything he possibly could to coordinate the federal response to this unprecedented challenge," Chertoff told reporters in Baton Rouge, La.
Does Chertoff not realize that he just explained the problem?
Disney Orleans... here we come!
How do you stop these fuckers?
I think there has to be a movement to get their hands off the levers of power NOW! They are a menace - GWB deserves the ignominy of the longest lame duck period in US history.
They need to be neutered pronto!
AND LIKE THE
PHOENIX OF LEGGEND SHE WILL END UP IN ARIZONA
Merkin Patriot | 09.10.05 - 10:44 am | #
Dude -- assuming you are a dude --
you're a fucking genius.
THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF TIME TO REBUILK NEW ORLEANS AND DEBATE THE MERITS OF THE RECONSTRUCTION
WE NEED TO DEBATE THAT ISLAMOCOMMIE MEMORIAL IN PENNSALVANIA DAMMIT - ITS AN ATRIOSITY NAD PART OF A WIDER TREND
IT STARTED WITH THAT WOMAN WHO DESIGNED THE VIENTAM MEMORIAL - ITS A V FOR CHRISSAKES AND IT POINTS LIKE A DAGGER AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT
If the city is to be re-built, I presume a massive reconstruction and improvement of the levee system must occur. Boston's Big Dig cost nearly $20 Billion(?) to improve traffic and liveability. How much to make NO liveable and safe from future floods?
I'm sure there will be every effort in the world to steal property within New Orleans - probably by some marginally legitimate consortia with unsavory connexions to the Shrubbery.
And I'm sure that various courts will come into play to bolster that effort.
But here's the thing - Louisiana's code of law is not now and has never been English common law nor even American. It is the Napoleonic Code. It overrides, not Washington.
Or, it would, had not the Shrubbery succeeded, however briefly, in federalising LA.
They can't keep the poor out of NO. Who'll do the work?
With a democratic governor and mayor, there's a much better chance that won't happen. Let's just hope they're up to the task of fighting for their people.
Stinky |
and thus we see why nagin and blanco must be villified and held responsible.
follow the money, folks, follow the mohey.
mcmansionville on the horizon in old new orleans. in fact, that's what they will probably call it - "Old New Orleans" - just like my old home town, rochester ny did when they reclaimed the lake front to build "old rochesterville".
Things like title disputes and rezoning and construction contracts do not attract as many viewers as missing white women. In fact, they probably rank somewhere next to crop reports on the Nielsen scale.
So, I think we all know what to expect.
Unfortunately, I think that it will also fall once more to the blogosphere to be the ones to count and document the dead. We already know from ICC's work that the Bush Administration will attempt to hide the bodies.
I wrote countless letters to countless news agencies who kept reporting that "50 troops have been killed in action since May 1" even as the number had reached 150. The documentation that ICC provided was invaluable to prove the point and to force a correction. Even the Pravda, NY, Times corrected itself.
All my charitable donations will go to Habitat For Humanity from here on out...
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They can't keep the poor out of NO. Who'll do the work?
NYMary
illegal imm.... i mean, guest workers
and don't worry about where they will live - the south is quite proficient at housing workers who have no rights as citizens. they've done it before, they'll do it again.
somehow, in this lawless age, i don't see a bunch of displaced poor black folks being successful against boosh supporting corporate necrophile "developers."
I presume a large percentage of poor folk are renters or living on public assistance. They'll be no problem keeping them "out" especially if a massive levee system makes that real estate "safe" for development.
A nonprofit group put together a list of toxic chemical sites in New Orleans to help people follow the cleanup.
Yep, the recount numbers are just in.
Gore +271, Bush -100,000
*Gore saved 271 from NOLA by airlift to Tenn.
*Bush numbers estimated (9/11, Afghan, Iraq, Katrina)
Dems 50%
Reepers 38%
but the talking heads on MSNBC thought with the helpful media they could recover before the midterm elections --especially Alex Witless MS MSGOP and Marcus Maybry of the Gutless Spineless Newsweek
they certainly will be doing their part to help Mr. Bush.
Including trying to make the low numbers the Katrina effect forgetting he has been in the dumper for months. And they couldn't understand why more people felt he was doing a bad job on homeland security and terrorism --
I guess they are as stupid as they look
" They can't keep the poor out of NO. Who'll do the work?
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 09.10.05 - 10:53 am | # "
Halliburton at first.
Once that contract dries up, there should be a lot of shiny new shopping malls and Bennigans in place, instead of that depressing low-income housing. Which will provide a lot of gainful employment for teens. Everybody wins!
AND LIKE THE PHOENIX OF LEGGEND SHE WILL END UP IN ARIZONA
Merkin Patriot
Now THAT made me laugh out loud. Thanks, MERKIN!
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Nagin and Blanco Failed to Execute Their Plan!
As a result 118 N'Awleonians died.
Nagin's black that majority of N'Awleonians dead are white.
Nagin's a racist who hates whites and Balnco's his comarade in arms.
Why do Dems hate whites...and what does this say about Dean?
Uncle Smokes is right. With the SCOTUS ruling in hand, the powers that be can pretty much build a Vegas strip-style area reasoning that hotels mean jobs. I would look for a wall of hotels surrounding the French Quarter that give a clear line of demarcation between the tourist area and the black folk. Except the Neville Brothers of course. They'll be allowed in. Nothing gets the big annual Exxon/Mobile sales convention rocking like the Neville Brothers.
NO will be about as exciting as the new Times Square.
Louisiana's code of law is not now and has never been English common law nor even American. It is the Napoleonic Code.
I read where a large percentage of the NOLA land ownership recording books were ruined in the flood.
I wonder whose property records were on the bottom shelf and whose were up top?
Things like title disputes and rezoning and construction contracts do not attract as many viewers as missing white women. In fact, they probably rank somewhere next to crop reports on the Nielsen scale.
See CNN homepage for Katrina MWW or Dead WW banner story.
With a democratic governor and mayor, there's a much better chance that won't happen. Let's just hope they're up to the task of fighting for their people.
That's where the true nature of our political system comes into play--in exchange for not being punished for trumped up blame over Katrina response, and to ensure federal dollars flow, the Governor will have no choice but to roll over.
Remember, the folks at the top are not just shifting blame away from themselves, they have a vested interest in ensuring blame is set to their benefit.
Politicizing Katrina? You bet! Power politics thrive on cataclysm. Republicans have succeeded spectaularly thus far because they seize every tragedy as an opportunity to dismantle existing power.
Operation Protection Racket is gearing up.
Please, follow the story. You'll be the only watchdog for this.
Don't count on it - not from this current generation of media whores. They are soaked through in blood
and have no chance for redemption.
THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF TIME TO REBUILK NEW ORLEANS AND DEBATE THE MERITS OF THE RECONSTRUCTION
Merkin Patriot
Hooo Boy, I'm on the floor here...
HAW HAW HAW!
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oops. Looks like GWPDA has had her name stolen.
Nagin's black that majority of N'Awleonians dead are white.
oh, the counts are done? i hadn't heard that. i guess it would be naive to ask for a link.
Nagin's black that majority of N'Awleonians dead are white.
oh, the counts are done? i hadn't heard that. i guess it would be naive to ask for a link.
" They can't keep the poor out of NO. Who'll do the work?
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 09.10.05 - 10:53 am | # "
Plus I believe their going to invoke some "law" that allows paying construction wages less than the local going rate (non-union of course).
estate developers must be rubbing their hands at the reconstruction.
They can't keep the poor out of NO. Who'll do the work?
Keep in mind that Bush issued an order on Thursday that allows federal contractors to pay below the prevailing wage.
The reconstruction has started. I hear that Houston is booming! And Bush abolished the minimum wage guarantees for federal contract workers! And Halliburton has the contract for rebuilding any damaged navy facilities in the area! So we can all just sleep.
Mister X,
don't you have a life,
dear?
Why do you always slum,
here?
Plus I believe their going to invoke some "law" that allows paying construction wages less than the local going rate (non-union of course).
Agent Orange
they already have. If you need I can find a link.
If only we had an administration whose feet were planted on Terra Firma, instead of terra and fema.
Damn, GWPDA,
I never read upthread too far. Sorry.
New Orleans continues grim search for the dead as floodwaters recede
NEW ORLEANS, United States (AFP) - Police in New Orleans continued the grisly search for those killed in Hurricane Katrina after a top federal official in charge of disaster relief fell casualty of mounting criticism of the operation.
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told journalists in Louisiana state capital Baton Rouge that Federal Emergency Management Agency director Michael Brown was to be recalled to Washington.
He would be replaced at ground zero by Coast Guard Vice Admiral Thad Allen, Chertoff said, while defending Brown's record.
"Hurricane Katrina will go down as the largest natural disaster in American history and Mike has done everything he possibly could to coordinate the federal response to this unprecedented challenge," he said.
Brown had resisted calls to resign over the sluggish federal response to the disaster in which hundreds are feared to have died and billions of dollars' worth of damage sustained to property and infrastructure.
Did anyone see Maher last night?
George Carlin was great, as usual.
WHY does Maher feel obligated to have at least one right wing scumbag on his show? And he says we "cured cancer." When did we miss that?
And I DIDN'T care for the way he was so cavalier about Roe v. Wade being in danger (got a real problem with women, Bill does).
But at the end, I love the way he trashed Chimpy!
wow, i just read that al gore saving 270 people story....and i'm weeping again to think of what this nation would be like if we'd just had the will to count all the votes in 2000.
speaking of which: who wants to bet a quatloo that the replacement voting technology in NOLA will be from diebold? and just in time to "elect" a cadre of developers and carpetbaggers who are all friendly to boosh in 06?
Is there room in Saddam's cell for Genocide War Bush?
NO will be about as exciting as the new Times Square.
ql in ny | Email | Homepage | 09.10.05 - 10:57 am | #
Hey -- the Spin Doctors are playing
BBKing's today!
Talk about excitement!
You can only carry so many TV sets on your back. But with a stroke of a pen on a reconstruction contract, you can loot without limits.
Think Blazing Saddles. From Miss to NO, whites will make sure all the good views are theirs. Mixed income housing will be triangular towers with the blacks on the bottom and facing the ocean. Floating raft on Lake P. [soon to be love Canal South] will be for public housing.
Are they going to rename the city New New Orleans, ala Futurama?
Seeing that the media cannot access the city, how are we supposed to know what's going on? Or, are there embedded reporters with the rescue squads?
This junta has basically declared a media blackout on anything that it's responsible for. It's only relegated to photo-op's and PR moves. It's as if they run the government like a business.
Wait...wasn't that the plan all along?
Corporate fucks.
Al Gore is a better human being than George Bush can ever hope to be.
GWPDA, ompleteca ncompoopia | Email | 09.10.05 - 10:56 am | #
Huh????????
If you're going to steal GWPDA's name, please at least have the decency to attempt emulate an erudite post.
Louisiana's code of law is not now and has never been English common law nor even American. It is the Napoleonic Code.
Interesting factoid: The Dominican Republic recently reworked its entire code of law, which had been Napoleonic (interesting story as to why) to more closely match the USA model. The implementation has been a disaster.
One of the alleged reasons for doing this was that the US put pressure on them to "modernize" their legal system and improve the investment climate, but I don't know how Napoleonic procedure affects such things.
Executive Order rescinding prevailing wage laws.
"See CNN homepage for Katrina MWW or Dead WW banner story.
Agent Orange | Email | 09.10.05 - 10:58 am | # "
I thought you were being sarcastic =
NO will be about as exciting as the new Times Square.
ql in ny | Email | Homepage | 09.10.05 - 10:57 am | #
NOLA will be a giant corporate/industrial park with a Times Square-style NOLA theme park in the center.
Because its primary purpose will be for business, it will get a state-of-the-art levy system.
You watch.
The people shipped off to (now) all 50 states in the union? They ain't going back to NOLA.
Are they going to rename the city New New Orleans, ala Futurama?
remember dirk the omnipotent declares: "Old New Orleans".
Wait...wasn't that the plan all along?
Yes.
Skipping down the thread for now to post this:
AND LIKE THE PHOENIX OF LEGGEND SHE WILL END UP IN ARIZONA
That's got to be one of the best you ever came up with Merkin.
Gawjus.
NOLA will end up like the London Docklands.
souless and locals priced out.
The reconstruction has started. I hear that Houston is booming! And Bush abolished the minimum wage guarantees for federal contract workers!
What is rationale for paying less? Clearly it's pure shameless exploitation! Why isn't this a story?
Following on my last post, one of the major unreported stories out there is how globalization is forcing countries to homogenize their legal systems and economic policies to meet the demands of the USA and the EU.
when the london docklands were rebuilt all the yuppies move in.
litte or nothing was done for the locals.
And about that death count --
it's less but no one can say how much less
This is a FEMA responsibility and the
press is barred from the crews (out of respect for the dead they either killed or left on the streets the last 11 days)
No numbers being released in Mississippi at all although some have said all the bodies have been picked up. So what's the story here?
The people shipped off to (now) all 50 states in the union? They ain't going back to NOLA.
res ipsa loquitur
Casinos need cleaning women and dishwashers. They'll bring back who they NEED and pay shit wages.
And Bush abolished the minimum wage guarantees for federal contract workers!
There's no doubt he would love to get rid of the wage guarantees everywhere, permanently.
And the environmental protection requirements he's lifted from the oil producers? They'll be in place for the rest of his reign, you can be sure.
Please, press, both local and national, do your job following the saga of the reconstruction of New Orleans
The local press will probably stay with the story.
But what about reconstruction in Mississippi and Alabama? Has Trent Lott yet received the portion of our tax dollars that he needs to rebuild his beachfront house?
"And I DIDN'T care for the way he was so cavalier about Roe v. Wade being in danger (got a real problem with women, Bill does)."
Terry C, I agree. Bill's got some issues.
The only positive that could possibly come out of the overturning of Roe v. Wade is that it would be the end of GOP as we know it. The religious fanatics who push them over the top in elections would not be as fired up by any other topic and would not come to the polls in anywhere near the numbers they do when they think they're stopping baby murder.
Everything else about the overturning of Roe v. Wade would be a nightmare.
I do believe there will be a strong movement to keep NOLA from being reconstructed as a theme park.
The city was unique and I think there are people who will insist that the fundamental things that made it unique not be further degraded, though I can see it's going to be one battle after another.
And that doesn't account for the evacuees - they are the poorest for the most part - how are they going to come back? What can they come back to?
goddamn it goddamn it goddamn it.
Plus I believe their going to invoke some "law" that allows paying construction wages less than the local going rate (non-union of course).
Agent Orange
they already have. If you need I can find a link.
Bush signed a proclamation to waive legal reqs where wages for rebuilding the disaster area are concerned.
And I DIDN'T care for the way he was so cavalier about Roe v. Wade being in danger (got a real problem with women, Bill does).
Putting aside whether he has problems with the chicks 
I don't think he was being cavalier. He was saying that 2000 and 2004 were probably the final nails in the coffin of Roe v. Wade, and that the red staters will get what they voted for, and any hardship visited upon their families as a result will be deserved. In a perverse way, it proves the adage: democracy gives the people the government they deserve.
But at the end, I love the way he trashed Chimpy!
That final bit where he tallied what's been lost under this regime was excellent. Short and to the point.
Following on my last post, one of the major unreported stories out there is how globalization is forcing countries to homogenize their legal systems and economic policies to meet the demands of the USA and the EU.
Sinclair First
Did you read Jonathan's Kozol's piece in this month's Harpers. It is now the stated goal in education to train our kids for the new, improved globalized business world. And they are doing it by standardizing everything from the teaching of reading to how kids walk in the hall, or "filing" as it is called. The result being the killing every last spark of imagination in both the kids and the teachers.
It's way to early to start drinking.
While waiting for his military flight back to Washington, the FEMA chief accused journalists of rushing to judgment and passing rumors off as fact.
``I'm anxious to get back to D.C. to correct all the inaccuracies and lies,'' he said.
Goddamn! You've got your hands full.
Start with Chimpy, and work your way down.
Bush signed a proclamation
Edicts and decrees to follow shortly.
Bush - the Genocide Preznit.
Both here AND abroad.
All my charitable donations will go to Habitat For Humanity from here on out...
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MisterX
Me, too.
And President Gore rises to the occasion once again. Do you think we can re-elect him in 2008?
Finally, to Atrios' point (and I'm also having a hard time keeping up with all these threads), the press has to stay focused on this story, and we have to stay focused on them and put as much pressure on them as we can. We all preach to the choir here (our stupid little trolls notwithstanding), but most people out there really don't have clue what's going on.
The press also has to monitor itself. I sent Little Johnnie Stossel's column praising price gouging to Krugman (after thanking him for showing up last Saturday) ... I would love to see him tear it to shreds.
Now listen. Did you ever hear of the Napoleonic code, Stella?... Now just let me enlighten you on a point or two... Now we got here in the state of Louisiana what's known as the Napoleonic code. You see, now according to that, what belongs to the wife belongs to the husband also, and vice versa... It looks to me like you've been swindled baby. And when you get swindled under Napoleonic code, I get swindled too and I don't like to get swindled... Where's the money if the place was sold?
Completely OT, but I thought people might be interested: I just uploaded 19 pics from Feral Liberal to the EschaCon2005 photo album. There is no semblance of order at the moment, not to mention any captions yet, but I'll be cleaning things up over the next week or so. If anybody else has pics and no place to put them, feel free to forward to me and I'll post them.
Also, you might not have seen that the National Journal also provided some EschaCon coverage. Hey, that's kinda on topic because we did talk about Katrina a lot...
WHY does Maher feel obligated to have at least one right wing scumbag on his show? And he says we "cured cancer." When did we miss that?
I get the impression he thinks it makes him "open-minded" and "worldly" in a pretentious Hugh Heffner-in-a-smoking jacket reading an anthology of great American authors sort of way.
I like Maher overall, but there are times I want to smack his stupid bitch ass, like when he said there was "no difference between Bush and Gore". And his claim on Roe not getting overturned? Wrong again, Bill. Just wait and see what happens, like when you supported Nader.
Putting aside whether he has problems with the chicks I don't think he was being cavalier.
"chicks"??????????????????
Casinos need cleaning women and dishwashers. They'll bring back who they NEED and pay shit wages.
Like the Hamptons and Nantucket and Hilton Head, those folks won't live there, for God's sake. They commute in ... some for hours.
Speaking of Harper's, here's a link to an article the mag is running on the Web called The Uses of Disaster.
A survivor's story
“It’s their own fault, really. Why didn’t those people just evacuate when they had the chance?” I overheard one woman saying to another in the line at the grocery store. I shielded my face with a box of frozen waffles and pretended to read the National Enquirer while I eavesdropped some more.
She, like many, was convinced that what we’re seeing on the 6 o’ clock news is merely Darwinism in action. And the unfit are not surviving.
Unfit people, like single mom Mabel Brown.
Mabel wanted to leave but couldn’t get gas for her aging car, all the stations were closed. A New Orleans newcomer who had just moved there from Atlanta, Mabel’s instincts told her to take the $20 dollars she had in cash and get out. But her sisters had lived in New Orleans for years. And they told her hurricanes were scary but if they had candles they would be okay.
continues at http://www.forgetperfect.com/col...s/
05_sep_08.htm
I guess I need a better sarcasm tag.
I like Maher overall, but there are times I want to smack his stupid bitch ass
Stinky
I've never liked his misogyny.
And if he wasn't rich and famous, these bimbos he likes so much wouldn't look his way twice.
The reason he dates these centerfolds and models is because he couldn't deal with a smart woman. She might disagree with him!
Following on my last post, one of the major unreported stories out there is how globalization is forcing countries to homogenize their legal systems and economic policies to meet the demands of the USA and the EU.
And CAFTA is just another in a series of agreements that amount to a Declaration of Independence for transnational corporations.
For the country that birthed them, it's "Thanks, Goodbye!"
All the right-wing blowhards that fussed over the decades about the United Nations taking away our sovergnity have abrogated it to corporate needs and investor rights.
Short-term gain for those in power, as they are thus invested--but who will the investors of the future be?
Welcome to 2050, when China decides that some of our laws are endangering their portfolio and are thus negated.
[Today's tinfoil hat is tomorrow's helmet]
Best way to keep an eye on things is to make sure the all the Demos that run the Parishes are kept out...
is kelo going to be used to grab the property in the low-lying areas of new orleans.
how do the people who owned homes there prove it. they've been scattered across the country, without any documentation. they are working class and without means to fight the guilded interests who are swooping in as i write this. check out the background scenes of live shots from new orleans. you will see the consultant and industry men just laying in wait for those fema check writers.
WHY does Maher feel obligated to have at least one right wing scumbag on his show? And he says we "cured cancer." When did we miss that?
Which right wing scumbag did he have on last night?
Before we berate CNN too much for their focus on white women:
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.
Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent news media from their news gathering and reporting activities in connection with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery efforts," said Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task force.
At least they stepped up to the plate on this one.
She, like many, was convinced that what we’re seeing on the 6 o’ clock news is merely Darwinism in action. And the unfit are not surviving.
This is the Bush Regime's version of the Final Solution.
Bush - the Genocide Preznit, both here AND abroad.
"chicks"??????????????????
Biddies?
And Bush abolished the minimum wage guarantees for federal contract workers!
What exactly does this implyu? THat workers will have to work for less than minimum wage? Or that skilled workers will be paid minimum wage?
Good luck getting anyone down there either way.
If you're going to steal GWPDA's name, please at least have the decency to attempt emulate an erudite post.
If you're going to write stupid stuff under my name please make sure to include the link to my phenomenonly successful and erudite web site.
Best way to keep an eye on things is to make sure the all the Demos that run the Parishes are kept out...
That sure ranks up there as one of the stupidest troll comments ever.
has no plans to bar, impede or prevent news media from their news gathering and reporting activities in connection with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery efforts,"
They'll just do a better job of hiding the corpses. GOd, thats a sick thought.
WHY does Maher feel obligated to have at least one right wing scumbag on his show? And he says we "cured cancer." When did we miss that?
Which right wing scumbag did he have on last night?
res ipsa loquitur |
Some jerkoff named Glassman, I believe, from the American Enterprise Institute.
He got all huffy when Kurt Vonnegut said this was the stupidest country on earth.
Kurt also trashed Bush. I was sitting there cheering every word.
People are acting as if a much lower death toll is a bad thing, somehow. It's not. And NO is a great test case for relacing a lot of rotted wood structures with the wonders of PLASTICS, as long as the oil holds out. I wish Habitat for Humanity would be selected to design and oversee new housing for the poor.
Why are Texans so Toxic?
is kelo going to be used to grab the property in the low-lying areas of new orleans.
Good Q. I'm willing to bet that most of the poor people did not own their homes. So the Kelo Q will depend on who the landlords are. Are they powerful people who were also slumlords? Or are they your average joe, who can be pushed around by Kelo?
If you're going to write stupid stuff under my name please make sure to include the link to my phenomenonly successful and erudite web site.
I encourage trolls to write stupid stuff under my name on the condition that they buy me a pony.
Just as many doctors have responded to this crisis -lawyers everywhere should adopt a client in NO to make sure their property rights and rights to receive compensation are protected --particularly their right to return. A lot of people were shipped off with nothing and a one way ticket and they are far away.
If you have evacuees in your hometown make sure they are getting proper legal advice and all that they are entitled to
Gilliard nails it:
...What surprised me about Kanye West's statement is not that he said it, but that it took the White House a week to understand how poisionous it was to Bush. Not only because of the racial animus, hell, it allowed white people to say what they were thinking as well, people like Ted Koppel and Anderson Cooper, but because it allowed people to say Bush didn't care about anyone. And it took a week for Bush to respond, while his wife called the greatest natural disaster in American history Corrina. Yeah, I bet you get Xanax and Merlot right. You don't call it Zantrax.
If the Bushes were looking to seem more out of touch than normal, they wildly succeeded.
vonnegut's great. was too shy to introduce myself, but he was at the premier of the 'hunting of the president' movie.
Best way to keep an eye on things is to make sure the all the Demos that run the Parishes are kept out...
That sure ranks up there as one of the stupidest troll comments ever.
NTodd |
Which is saying something because they are ALL stupid!
...and ABC was obviously ignoring the edict to not show dead bodies during the news last night. They were showing dozens around the city. I'm not sure I wanted to actually see that. Gruesome as hell but I'm glad they are showing the reality.
Thanks for posting all the pics NTodd.
.. and thanks for the CD Uncle Smokes. Love it.
The reason he dates these centerfolds and models is because he couldn't deal with a smart woman. She might disagree with him!
Well, Terry, the implication there is that smart women can't also be beautiful and that beautiful women can't also be smart. Not true.
Maher probably goes out with models because like many men in the public eye, he needs his arm candy to prove his manhood/economic status to other men.
OT:
"Predictions of 10,000 deaths turn out to be greatly exaggerated," I heard some asswipe anchor on TV say yesterday
Today's papers are filled with stories walking-back the death-toll predictions.
It's almost as if this item had shown up as yesterday's GOP talking point, and the media are doing their stenographic duty.
I hate to be cynical, but could this "story" - plus the attempt to keep the news media from witnessing the bodies - be a serious Rovian to cover up the damage from Katrina? Were these guys actually hoping to hide the real numbers from the public?
I still say the death toll will be 10,000, whether they lie about it or not.
I wish Habitat for Humanity would be selected to design and oversee new housing for the poor.
Halliburton couldn't make any money that way.
Merkin Patriot :
THERE'S NO NEED TO SHOUT! Turn off your caps lock. We already know you can't type, spell, or think. Could you please quiet down.
Hey, Smokes -
Listening to the CD right now!
WAY cool.
I loved George Carlin last night. I also loved when Glassman tried to call Carlin a Commy and Carlin shot back with the Fascism line. Glassman seemed totally clueless about how Carlin could call him a Nazi. Unitl Bill clarified it by saying that Fascism is when Corporations are the government, to which Glassman quickly changed the subject.
And being an English major, I LOVED KURT!!! How cool and wonderful is that man???
i'm suprise Bush is not going 100% and employing slave labour to rebuilt NOLA!
I encourage trolls to write stupid stuff under my name on the condition that they buy me a pony.
Look, what's it gonna be? A pony or a computerized telescope?
The just released Newsweek poll is remarkable for the beating it gives Bush.
All the numbers rebuke Rove, like approving the country's direction, at lower than 30%, and Bush's approval at a record plummet of 38 %.
The AP's morning poll was similarly lamentable for Bush lovers, but Newsweek's is much worse.
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most of the displaced poor will not return to NOLA - why should they? They were there because poor cannot afford to move...but now that they have been helped out of NOLA, they won't come back...New NOLA is gonna be teh lamerZ cause the soul of NOLA is what - rich white restaurant owners...or maybe - just maybe the soul of NOLA was made up mostly of the poor - those street performers and artists - the voodoo goddesses and teh cajun cooks all over...teh rich white gentrified masses are losers and have no soul - and that you can bet is what NOLA will be made of when it rises!
He got all huffy when Kurt Vonnegut said this was the stupidest country on earth.
I'm glad he was on Maher. He is somebody America needs to hear from more frequently.
The reason he dates these centerfolds and models is because he couldn't deal with a smart woman. She might disagree with him!
Well, Terry, the implication there is that smart women can't also be beautiful and that beautiful women can't also be smart. Not true.
Maher probably goes out with models because like many men in the public eye, he needs his arm candy to prove his manhood/economic status to other men.
Brooklyn Girl
I'm sure the dingdongs HE picks aren't smart.
And just because they're models and centerfolds doesn't mean they're beautiful. A lot of them are skanks....all silicone and hair dye!
I just get the impression that he's afraid of women with working brains. He even talks down to the ones on his show.
WHY does Maher feel obligated to have at least one right wing scumbag on his show?
It creates tension, which helps draw in viewers. As for myself, I like that he does put them on, because almost invariably they end up saying something that's patently stupid.
One of the great things about this blog is that it constantly points out the underlying idiocy and ugliness that lies beneath the fancy "whoosh" graphics and slick production values of the right wing message machine.
As long as Fox keeps paying tongue-tied appeasing twits to serve as fodder for the likes of Hannity and O'Reilly, I'm happy to have dumbass conservatives shoot themselves in the foot on Real Time.
the soul of NOLA was made up mostly of the poor - those street performers and artists - the voodoo goddesses and teh cajun cooks all over...teh rich white gentrified masses are losers and have no soul - and that you can bet is what NOLA will be made of when it rises!
mogwai
Isn't Marie Leveau buried in New Orleans?
The Bush Regime be messin' with forces they know nothing about!
Casinos need cleaning women and dishwashers. They'll bring back who they NEED and pay shit wages.
Two words: "guest worker"
A new age dawns for importing Mexican workers for sub-minimum wage and no benefits, and this model of flexible labor and economic efficiency expands and expands.
U.S. workers will learn to get less for their labors, just to ensure a minimum of survival.
Operation Third World Conversion has just been repurposed.
Carlin shot back with the Fascism line. Glassman seemed totally clueless about how Carlin could call him a Nazi. Unitl Bill clarified it by saying that Fascism is when Corporations are the government, to which Glassman quickly changed the subject.
Lemme guess..............9/11?
9/11 is ShrubCo's relief pitcher and he's thrown his arm out from overuse.
".teh rich white gentrified masses are losers and have no soul"
writes one rich white gentrified loser.
Maher probably goes out with models because like many men in the public eye, he needs his arm candy to prove his manhood/economic status to other men.
Bill Maher is short.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I'm willing to bet that most of the poor people did not own their homes. res ipsa loquitur
this was also a working class neighborhood where people had lived for generations, so i would think alot of the homes were owned. but regardless, with the open comments of that congr and the quotes from the wsj, it's clear that the landed gentry of new orleans are going to take advantage of mother nature's rath to conduct a little passive ethnic cleansing.
Merkin Patriot :
THERE'S NO NEED TO SHOUT! T
Of course there is. Are you often the last one to get the joke?
".teh rich white gentrified masses are losers and have no soul"
writes one rich white gentrified loser.
erm | 09.10.05 - 11:28 am | #
FUCK YOU - you know how much money I have?
THERE'S NO NEED TO SHOUT! Turn off your caps lock. We already know you can't type, spell, or think. Could you please quiet down.
Merkin's a parody, and beloved here.
.. and thanks for the CD Uncle Smokes. Love it.
Oh yeah, it's good stuff. I used a track on my podcast debrief about EschaCon, in fact!
Look, what's it gonna be? A pony or a computerized telescope?
I WANT BOTH!
And Bush abolished the minimum wage guarantees for federal contract workers!
What exactly does this implyu? THat workers will have to work for less than minimum wage? Or that skilled workers will be paid minimum wage?
Good luck getting anyone down there either way.
smalfish
There is a law from 1931 that forces any contractor getting federal money to pay a certain standard of wages (different from a minimum wage law). The law helps to ensure that workers get a liveable wage and that taxpayer money goes toward a rebuilding effort and isn't pocketed by execs so it can be spent on limos, whores, homes in Aspen and $6k shower curtains and so on.
Bush declared that law would not apply in the reconstruction of NOLA. Is that surprising?
The just released Newsweek poll is remarkable for the beating it gives Bush..."
And it crucifies him on Katrina, too.
On the whole, it made the champagne-taste wonderful here in the orient and justified, we thought, and orgy without restraint.
writes one rich white gentrified loser.
erm | 09.10.05 - 11:28 am | #
That's nice, dear - run along and play in traffic now.
could this "story" - plus the attempt to keep the news media from witnessing the bodies - be a serious Rovian to cover up the damage...
They already gave up on that one, thanks to CNN. I just don't think its that easy to sweep 10,000 corpses under the rug in America.
For the Vonnegut fans, I highly recommend this Alternative Radio interview.
President's Approval Rating Dips Below 40
WASHINGTON - President Bush' job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.
Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That's the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=...wh/
bush_ap_poll
Hehehehehehehe!
I loved George Carlin last night. I also loved when Glassman tried to call Carlin a Commy and Carlin shot back with the Fascism line. Glassman seemed totally clueless about how Carlin could call him a Nazi. Unitl Bill clarified it by saying that Fascism is when Corporations are the government, to which Glassman quickly changed the subject.
That's how stupid they are.
They still call people who don't agree with them (and walk around with flags sticking out of their asses) "Commies."
That is SO 1960s. The right-tards can't even come up with new material.
Glassman was a twit - we "cured cancer." Being a Republican IS a mental disorder!
i'm not going to follow a damned thing. white people are going to go in, steal up all the land and property at a bargain to themselves and misery to the poor black and white folks who once owned it and think they did them a favor. if any of them make it back to what was once their homes builders and contractors will bilk them out of any money they might get to help them rebuild and create shittyshacks for them to live in, cheap messed up crap, thinking the dumb niggers and white trash people who lived in whatever housing before should be glad to get what they got and shut up. believe me, with your white brothers large and in charge i know how its going to go and so do you. watch dogging aint going to do nobody a bit of good and you all know that. if you went down there with the militia trying to keep things straight it wouldnt work. there are some wonderful people out there doing great inexpensive design work, but you know they will never get the jobs; oh no, its going to be all the thieving white men that can get a ticket to la, nouveau whites and others, anyone but the original inhabitants of the region. so, yall just keep a lil ole eye out for all yalls white brethen that are gonna show up for the killin, ya hear? kudos to you if you manage to keep at least some of the people from being robbed blind. so far you havent done much as far as the vote and the white house are concerned have you? kept a good eye on that, know you did. diebold still robbed our asses blind and you havent done a damned thing since. oh, ive kept an eye on you tho, watched you go from wannabe kingmakers to asshole crybabies in one fell swoop. now aint that nothin?
dirk gently, that was an incredible story. I'm crying, because I know what potenital this country has.
Bushco is trying its best to destroy us, but we can't let it.
Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001
Of course, it did.
That was the whole idea.
Hehehehehehehe!
Dartanyon
I agree with the hehehehe!
But I wish to hell those people had figured it out before the fucking election.
We're now stuck with the Junta, unless we can get Congress back and do something about them.
shoe whore.
watertiger
Jeezus, what a nasty-looking bitch.
And she dresses like an old lady!
Thought you all might get a real kick out of this....
The "Rebilking of New Orleans," indeed!
September 10, 2005
G.O.P. Sees Opportunities Arising From Storm
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
HOUSTON, Sept. 9 - Republican leaders in Congress and some White House officials see opportunities in Hurricane Katrina to advance longstanding conservative goals like giving students vouchers to pay for private schools, paying churches to help with temporary housing and scaling back business regulation.
"There are about a thousand churches right here in Houston, and a lot of them are helping people with housing, but FEMA says they can't reimburse faith-based organizations," Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, the House majority leader, said, referring to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
Mr. DeLay, who joined three of President Bush's top economic advisers on a tour of relief efforts near the Houston Astrodome, added that Congress should also allow students displaced by the hurricane to use vouchers to pay for tuition at private schools. Conservatives have championed school vouchers for decades.
Those are only some of the ideas being considered by Congressional leaders and White House officials that could serve the dual purpose of helping hurricane victims and pursuing broader social and economic changes that Republicans have long sought.
The Bush administration has already moved to relax a variety of regulations in areas damaged by the hurricane. Many of the changes are small, like letting people take bigger tax deductions for the miles they drive while doing charitable work. Another change, announced on Friday by Treasury Secretary John W. Snow, will give preference to investment groups from hurricane areas that are seeking tax credits for community development projects.
But other changes are more ideological and more controversial. On Thursday, Mr. Bush issued an order that exempts federal contractors working on disaster relief projects from a longstanding federal requirement that they pay workers "prevailing wages," which are usually pegged to union pay rates.
The exemption strikes at the heart of a requirement that labor unions and Democratic lawmakers have ferociously defended for years.
"There are a lot of opportunities to experiment," said Mr. Snow, who jointed Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao and Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez in a rapid trip to highlight the administration's hurricane-relief operations.
Jumping quickly through visits in Houston; Baton Rouge, La.; and Mobile, Ala., Mr. Bush's economic team emphasized the amount and speed of financial assistance being made available to hurricane victims. In Houston, at a tent outside the Astrodome where job-placement services were being offered, the number of job counselors and visitors from Washington greatly outnumbered the number of people seeking help. Thousands of evacuees are staying at the Astrodome, though the number is declining as more people are settled into apartments and other temporary housing. For the moment, administration officials said they were focusing on the immediate job of getting emergency assistance - shelter, medical care and cash assistance as well as unemployment insurance benefits and Social Security payments - to the hundreds of thousands of people who have been dislocated.
In Baton Rouge, officials said they had received 150,000 claims for unemployment benefits and predicted that the number would continue to soar. The Congressional Budget Office predicted this week that 400,000 people would be temporarily jobless as a result of the hurricane.
But beyond the immediate needs, Republican lawmakers and administration officials are contemplating tax cuts intended to draw companies and workers back to New Orleans, regulatory changes to speed the expansion of oil refineries and scores of smaller changes to improve the recovery.
Mr. Snow and other administration officials were noncommittal on Friday toward some of the ideas now circulating in Congress, like offering major tax breaks to companies that set up operations in damaged areas.
But Mr. Snow did announce a change to the Treasury Department's "new markets" program, which provides tax credits to selected investment funds involved in community development projects. About $3.5 billion in tax credits are available, and the investment funds are awarded them through a competitive process on the basis of their proposals.
Mr. Snow said the program would now give special preference to projects in areas affected by the hurricane.
Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
Incidentally, the minimum wage has not been suspended - the Davis-Bacon Act, mandating that the -prevailing wage- be paid by the feds has. Of course, it's only been suspended in 'areas in Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida.'
" As relief and emergency workers continue to arrive in hurricane stricken areas, President George W. Bush yesterday issued a proclamation suspending a 74-year-old law mandating that companies using federal funds pay workers a prevailing wage.
The order, which drew outrage from labor leaders, follows letters urging the action from Republican representatives and an anti-tax group.
Last week, Americans for Tax Reform, an organization founded by long-time Republican activists Grover Norquist, sent Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao a letter asking that she suspend the Davis-Bacon Act in order to free taxpayers from paying too much for the disaster clean up and management. Wednesday, Representatives Tom Feeney (R-Florida), Jeff Flake (R-Arizona) Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colorado), sent Bush a similar letter, stating that the Act drives costs up and "effectively discriminates against non-union contractors."
The Davis-Bacon Act requires that companies or agencies employing workers with federal monies pay at least the prevailing wage in any given area. The wage is to be based on the amount "determined by the Secretary of Labor to be prevailing for the corresponding classes of laborers and mechanics employed on projects of a character similar to the contract work in the city, town, village or other civil subdivision…"
Bush’s proclamation does not carry an expiration date and applies only to areas in Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida.
Labor groups and national office holders immediately attacked the move as opportunistic and anti-worker.
In a statement yesterday, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney warned of "profiteering" by "White House corporate backers" and asked Congress to undo the action. Friday, Change to Win Coalition Chairperson Anna Berger offered a similar assessment of early calls to suspend Davis-Bacon."
WASHINGTON - President Bush' job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll
2/3 of the respondents feel that Shrub is leading the country in the wrong direction. Well hell, three wheels are already over the cliff edge. Are the remaining 1/3 in the trunk or something?
I loved George Carlin last night.
I've always liked his humor and social commentary. But I heard him last fall in an interview with Pumkinhead in which he said he hasn't voted since 1972.
He lost me right there. And he won't get me back till he gets his ass into a voting booth again.
Assrocket:
In any event, whatever the wisdom of Brown’s appointment in hindsight, firing him now would be an admission that FEMA performed poorly in the current crisis--an assertion that is constantly repeated, but for which I have seen, at this point, little hard evidence.
Via Crooks & Liars.
Wow, even the Weather Channel is piling on the "slow response" to Katrina!
It won't happen, but wouldn't it be wonderful to use this chance to get the area completely detoxified and restored to a greefield site before then rebuilding thecity using everything we now knowabout building livable cities with green technology and renewable energy?
Well, a girl can dream.
Bush has shown he cannot deal with either man made or natural disasters
he is fucking hopless
Will you please excuse a partial re-posting of my earlier comments, marred as they were by sloppy typos?
On the whole, the Newsweek poll made the champagne taste wonderful here in the Orient and justified, we thought, an orgy without restraint.
I love it when the brownshirts get all "ethnic"... you know they love it too!
Tena,
There's still the promise of DSM.
That beautiful "I" word seems to be tatooed on El Chimpo's simian forehead.
Slightly OT, I guess, but it might not be for the six or seven new posts that will be made while I'm typing this. (Some of the scientific types might want to wrench their eye away from the telescope and investigate the phenomenon of Future Shock vis-a-vis rapid blogging.)
Anyhoo, this week is another demonstration of how the scent of what is true and important and worth paying close attention to gets muddied in bogus, self-generating and sustaining news-story bubbles.
The true reported body count is necessary and important for several obvious common-sense reasons that I need not enumerate here. Ergo, the number itself and the means by which the number is obtained ought to be accurately and persistently reported. This includes the salient issues of how the bodies are gathered, whether independent reporters are permitted to observe the activity, etc.
But somewhere in there the story is being reduced to a much simpler headline about whether the body count is "less" than originally claimed or projected. We all have heard Mayor Nagin's early speculation that the count would reach 10,000 when all of the flooded land again became accessible.
The mayor's ballpark estimate was worth quoting in the first place, and how on the mark or wide of the mark it will ultimately prove to be is a valid enough, though hardly crucial, question for historians in the fulness of time. I'm sure the mayor didn't intend it to be taken and used as an actual benchmark.
But I'll bet that any serious reporting of this question is soon washed away in a silly froth of blather by journimalists and pundits over the artificial 10K question.
So far, it's like Professor Farnsworth's cheery refrain, "Good news, everybody!" It appears that the count is way lower than "we" feared!
And when somebody rushes down amidst the devastation to dump teddy bears and mylar balloons and pictures of Jesus and all of the other cheap and tacky crap that constitute the peerless photo-op of the "makeshift memorial", the correspondiments will gather like flies to pontificate in front of it.
You'll notice them jockeying so hard for position that you will see other correspondiments broadcasting in soft focus in the background.
It's as if reporters are like the "cadaver dogs" Jimmy Breslin famously mocks and derides, who rush furiously to some scent that turns out to be a liverwurst sandwich.
So how many threads behind am I now?
Bush’s proclamation does not carry an expiration date and applies only to areas in Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida.
One step at a time, Sweet Jesus...
And speaking of white devils:
... Consider this scenario: You are thirsty — worried that your baby is going to become dehydrated. You find a store that's open, and the storeowner thinks it's immoral to take advantage of your distress, so he won't charge you a dime more than he charged last week. But you can't buy water from him. It's sold out.
You continue on your quest, and finally find that dreaded monster, the price gouger. He offers a bottle of water that cost $1 last week at an "outrageous" price — say $20. You pay it to survive the disaster.
You resent the price gouger. But if he hadn't demanded $20, he'd have been out of water. It was the price gouger's "exploitation" that saved your child.
It saved her because people look out for their own interests. Before you got to the water seller, other people did. At $1 a bottle, they stocked up. At $20 a bottle, they bought more cautiously. By charging $20, the price gouger makes sure his water goes to those who really need it.
The people the softheaded politicians think are cruelest are doing the most to help. Assuming the demand for bottled water was going to go up, they bought a lot of it, planning to resell it at a steep profit. If they hadn't done that, that water would not have been available for the people who need it the most.
Hecate - yeah, and restoring the wetlands that protected the city - that would be lovely too.
Might happen, if we get rid of the vermin who are in charge.
I weep again for President Gore. What a different world it would have been.
You're right about Carlin. I've long enjoyed him but by not voting he seems to be guilty of hypocrisy.
New Orleans is dead as an American icon, unless Bushco is impeached abd jailed. the murder of working-class Americans continues unabated in Iraq, Afghanistan, NOLA, Mississippi, Alabama and now, across the country, as families have been broken up (remember slavery?) and sent off to concentration camps. The only solution is to drum Rover, Limbaugh, Hannity, Bush, Cheney and all the rest of the fascist America-haters out of government and into cells (or, perhaps, nooses, for Rove and the media Goebbels imitators at least). Lawfully taking back the government has a low percentage of working, becasue thay have fundamentally fucked the system, starting with an ubconstitutional decison by SCOTUS, and ending with the Republican ownership of voting machines with no paper trail. they are no different from the Axis leaders of WW2, and possibly worse, because they have learned from those same models. They don't seem to care that 60% or more of the citizenry hates them; in fact, they seem determined to make that 80%.
And about that death count --
it's less but no one can say how much less
This is a FEMA responsibility and the
press is barred from the crews (out of respect for the dead they either killed or left on the streets the last 11 days)
No numbers being released in Mississippi at all although some have said all the bodies have been picked up. So what's the story here?
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sorry that is eleohant manure!
Modesto company to deliver more body bags to New Orleans
The government's order for another 50,000 will be filled by about eight firms
By PATRICK GIBLIN
BEE STAFF WRITER
Last Updated: September 9, 2005, 04:24:14 AM PDT
The federal government is trying to purchase an additional 50,000 body bags for use in the Hurricane Katrina cleanup and in Iraq, according to an official for a Modesto manufacturer.
Previously, the Federal Emergency Management Administration purchased 25,000 body bags and shipped them to New Orleans.
"We recently delivered every bag we had in stock, which is about 400," said John Hassapakis, manager of Central Valley Professional Services in Modesto. "Those were sent directly to New Orleans."
This week the government put out a bid for 50,000 more bags, he said.
"They are for backup in Louisiana and for offshore purposes, but it will bemonths before they will be able to getthem," he said. "That's a lot of material."
The Modesto company can make 5,000 bags a month when it's operating at full capacity, he said, though he added his isn't the only company making bags for the government.
Besides Central Valley Professional Services, there's another Modesto business — California Professional Manufacturing — that makes body bags, Hassapakis said.
In addition to the two Modesto firms, there are about a half-dozen other companies in the United States that manufacture body bags, Hassapakis said. All of them are expected to help fill the latest government order.
Officials at California Professional Manufacturing declined to comment Thursday.
In New Orleans, officials have constructed a temporary refrigerated mortuary that can hold up to 5,000 bodies at a time.
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dave - I already said yesterday that what we ought to do is lock John Stossel in a room without any water for about 5 days and see how much he'll pay for a bottle on the morning of the 6th.
Chances are good we could all retire on what he ultimately is willing to pay after having no water at all to drink for that time.
I weep again for President Gore. What a different world it would have been.
Tena,
I was thinking last night that maybe Gore should just start acting like the president. He should call up the heads of agencies and tell them what needs to be done. I bet they'd do it, esp. if he called the career folks rather than the Bush cronies. Reading how he managed to get two planes to fly into New Orleans, how he managed all the logistics of getting people out of the city -- it sure made me wish that it were my president, Al Gore, in charge of this disaster, rather than President Marie Antoinette
Al Gore is a real human being who has compassion.
which is sorely lacking these day in power.
There is a law from 1931 that forces any contractor getting federal money to pay a certain standard of wages (different from a minimum wage law).
But what are those standard wages? Are they ridiculously high, as most federal contrat standards are? Or are they comparable to what the average skilled worker gets?
This is important. If the standard is god awful high, then it may be prudent to lower it. Not saying I agree with the man on this, but I would like to know what the stndards are before I come out swinging on this.
You're right about Carlin. I've long enjoyed him but by not voting he seems to be guilty of hypocrisy.
Actually, by not voting, he's being completely consistent with his beliefs -he truly, honestly believes that by voting, "you're only encouraging the bastards." So in this case, not voting means he's not a hypocrit!
historical events today
1419 - John of Burgundy is assassinated by adherents of the Dauphin, the future Charles VII of France.
1823 - Simón Bolívar named President of Peru.
1897 - In the Lattimer Massacre, a sheriff's posse killes more than nineteen unarmed immigrant miners in Pennsylvania, United States.
1898 - Empress Elizabeth of Austria is assassinated by Luigi Lucheni.
1977 - France's last execution is performed by guillotine.
2003 - Anna Lindh, the foreign minister of Sweden, is stabbed fatally while shopping, and dies of her wounds on September 11.
What the fuck about Carlin voting? His laser-like dissassembling of Bushco's bullshit is worth far more than any miscounted or undercounted vote he may have. Voting is a worthless exercise for the past 5 years, is it not? Vote with your feet and your dollars until the machines and the system are repaired. There's nothing that gives aid and comfort to the brownshirts and fascists than the knowledge that we still believe in the voting system. Wake the fuck up!
I was thinking last night that maybe Gore should just start acting like the president.
That right there would be more than Chimpy's done.
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It's great that everyone is concerned about whether New Orleans' culture can be saved, as opposed to being lost in a sea of McMansions and Olive Gardens.
Before you get too weepy and romantic about New Orleans' bygone days, bear in mind that a large part of that "culture" was crushing poverty, endemic corruption, and stark racial and class divisions, all to a greater extent than in nearly every other city in the USA.
Some aspects of New Orleans' culture aren't worth preserving.
Dave,
RE:You resent the price gouger. But if he hadn't demanded $20, he'd have been out of water
Wow. It is just stunning that people would actually think that way.
Don't you just want to grab that sanctimounious prick by the throat and shout WHAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY IN YOUR POCKET? AND WHAT ABOUT THE STORE OWNER WHO DECIDES TO GIVE AWAY HIS WATER, BUT MAKES SURE NOBODY GETS TO TAKE MORE THAN THEY ACTUALLY NEED S YOU WON'T GET SHUT OUT??
It amazes me, how these people consider capitalistic amorality to just be a given -- as if compassion in a time of crisis jsut doesn't compote as a human emotion. Can we just stone all the fuckers like this to death now? Please?
Fux News: Vice President Cheney claims that the displaced Negros are "living high on the hog." "They'll never go back to their former life," he said. "They're getting more subsidies than an arms manufacturer."
smalfish,
The prevailing wage in the New Orleans area for federal construction contracts is $9.55 per hour. Hardly excessive, but perhaps a livable wage in the area, I can't say.
...what we ought to do is lock John Stossel in a room without any water for about 5 days and see how much he'll pay for a bottle on the morning of the 6th.
I would have liked to drop him into the middle of the NO Convention Center last Wednesday night, hood and all...
I saw mention of that article the past couple of days, but that was the first time I had read the whole thing. It's truly appalling.
Hecate, don't know which story you read about President Gore, but there were these paragraphs in the one I read that sent chills -
""The situation was dire and becoming worse by the minute — food and water running out, no power, 4 feet of water surrounding the hospital and ... corpses outside," Simon wrote.
Gore responded immediately, telephoning Kline and agreeing to underwrite the $50,000 each for the two flights, although Larry Flax, founder of California Pizza Kitchens, later pledged to pay for one of them.
"None of the airlines involved required a contract or any written guarantee of payment before sending their planes and volunteer crews," Simon wrote of the American Airlines flights. "One official said if Gore promised to pay, that was good enough for them."
He also recruited two doctors, Spickard and Gore's cousin, retired Col. Dar LaFon, a specialist in internal medicine who once ran the military hospital in Baghdad.
Most critically, Gore worked to cut through government red tape, personally calling Gov. Phil Bredesen to get Tennessee's support and U.S. Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta to secure landing rights in New Orleans."
That's pretty much the way it's supposed to work of course -
Actually, by not voting, he's being completely consistent with his beliefs -he truly, honestly believes that by voting, "you're only encouraging the bastards." So in this case, not voting means he's not a hypocrit!
dave™©®
Exactly. Carlin is a national treasure.
George is anything but a hypocrit.
dave - I already said yesterday that what we ought to do is lock John Stossel in a room without any water for about 5 days
You forgot the alligator you'd need in the room.
Open your wallets.
http://action.ourfuture.org/acti...ep=2&
item=27747
I see our poet laureate is back.
Cinnamon buns, anyone?
Some aspects of New Orleans' culture aren't worth preserving.
CEA | 09.10.05 - 11:53 am
And just who the fuck you are to decide what's worth preserving? Hmmmm?
I'm sorry - I love a lot of what Carlin says, but someone who proudly does not vote is hardly a national treasure.
I don't care about his reasons - this is a participatory democracy, and that only works when people participate.
People who don't leave the rest of us at the mercy of those who do.
OT, but Daily Kos sure is a weird place on the weekends... here's a big fat diary on... home canning!
Actually, I might try it... we've got a shitload of tomatoes out back!
My, my... aren't we Mr. Reasonable this morning?
The past five years weren't a bad dream, Atrios. "Let us ALL strive together, democrats and republicans alike, for the sake of our greeeeeeeeat country....".
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit.
WHAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY IN YOUR POCKET? AND WHAT ABOUT THE STORE OWNER WHO DECIDES TO GIVE AWAY HIS WATER, BUT MAKES SURE NOBODY GETS TO TAKE MORE THAN THEY ACTUALLY NEED S YOU WON'T GET SHUT OUT??
That's what happens when society breaks down. Every man for himself and survival of the fittest.
Sorry it's harsh, but that's the way it is.
"At $1 a bottle, they stocked up. At $20 a bottle, they bought more cautiously. By charging $20, the price gouger makes sure his water goes to those who really need it."
Stossel sucks Satan's cock in Hell.
Auntie GWPDA--Al should run again in 2008.
And if you were managing the crisis in the Gulf, that's how it would work, too.
New Orleans was founed by a frenchman, no wonder the wingers are so horrible to it
New Orleans was founed by a frenchman, no wonder the wingers are so horrible to it
smalfish - Davis-Bacon Act demands payment of the 'prevailing wage' in the community. The prevailing wage is what it is, not something established externally. If Phoenix needs federal intervention to build a bunch more tacky cheapjack houses, then the feds, under Davis-Bacon must pay no less than the prevailing wage in Phoenix to the various people working to build those houses.
And just who the fuck you are to decide what's worth preserving? Hmmmm?
Phredd
Wait--so you're FOR "crushing poverty, endemic corruption, and stark racial and class divisions?" Either you can't be bothered to read entire posts, or you're proof that no injustice is so great that someone isn't willing to stand up and defend it.
Cinnamon buns, anyone?
Sallyh
Keep 'em warm! I haven't made my latte, yet.
Heard a (R) Rep. from Louisiana last night on Larry King (yes, this disaster has reduced me to watching Larry King. I blame local officials), who was adamant that New Orleans would be rebuilt as New Orleans, not as some post-war Munich anyone who's been to post-war Munich knows what I mean).
We'll just have to see how long and strong and resolve is.
There's nothing that gives aid and comfort to the brownshirts and fascists than the knowledge that we still believe in the voting system.
This may be the single most asinine sentence I've read in the last two weeks - a distinction for which there is a shitload of heavy competition. Read it again; I think you'll see what I mean.
Shorter version: Democracy - that's so '99.
dave - I already said yesterday that what we ought to do is lock John Stossel in a room without any water for about 5 days
Like I said before, I think back to when he got smart with some pro wrestler back around 1985 and the guy beat the piss out of him on the air.
Shame he didn't do more damage!
crushing poverty, endemic corruption, and stark racial and class divisions,
Sounds like exactly the kind of thing Bush would work hard to preserve.
god help us, they're shooting dogs. they're shooting dogs.
somebody do something. what can we do?
BTW, did I mispell "hypocrite"?
What about "mispell?"
Is this what the onset of Alzheimer's is like?
crushing poverty, endemic corruption, and stark racial and class divisions
Isn't that the Republican motto?
Door to door searches on Fox.
somebody do something. what can we do?
jell
hey, gang, rob is back. Hi rob.
I don't care about his reasons - this is a participatory democracy, and that only works when people participate.
You're confusing participatory democracy with voting.
I did not have the option of voting against the war last November. I had a choice between two pro-war candidates.
I voted for one.
When will Brown be nominated for the Supreme Court?
Cheney has already lined up several contracts for Haliburton. Is Costs plus 25% fair enough?
Auntie GWPDA--I think people always view disasters as opportunities. However, the way the GOP is viewing it, it's profane.
That's what happens when society breaks down. Every man for himself and survival of the fittest.
Sorry it's harsh, but that's the way it is.
Billy B
Stossel forgets another economic reality, which is that pointing a gun in the face of a price gouger will lower the going price of goods real quick.
dave™©® - Works for me too, but not tomatoes, cucumbers. I'm just about out of sweet pickles and the time is now. Besides, I'm going to be putting this up myself this weekend too.
Peach Pepper Salsa
3 fresh peaches, pitted and sliced
1 red bell pepper, seeded and diced
1 green bell pepper, seeded and diced
Oregano
1/2 cup canned 100 percent pear juice or nectar
1 tablespoon Dijon mustard
Ground black pepper to taste
Combine peaches, peppers, cilantro, juice or nectar and mustard. Add pepper to taste. Serve with barbecued fish steaks or fillets.
David Schultz didn't slap that fucker hard enough.
Jello--I tried to scream via phone at the WH, the governor's offices in LA and MS, contacted the HSUS and ASPCA. It's a pain to get through, but keep trying.
Dave,
RE:You resent the price gouger. But if he hadn't demanded $20, he'd have been out of water
Wow. It is just stunning that people would actually think that way.
I am reminded of the words of Isaiah, the Word of God:
"Come, buy food without money, buy wine without price."
Stossel forgets another economic reality, which is that pointing a gun in the face of a price gouger will lower the going price of goods real quick.
Stinky
Good point. I thought about that after I hit the 'publish' button.
As a matter of fact, if one has a gun in this type of situation, money doesn't matter quite as much.
RE:You resent the price gouger. But if he hadn't demanded $20, he'd have been out of water
Anybody remember the outrage after 9/11 how Starbucks charged volunteers for water?
RMJ--I keep wishing I could open my kitchen and just keep cooking. I'd stiff my creditors to do it, too.
smalfish,
The prevailing wage in the New Orleans area for federal construction contracts is $9.55 per hour. Hardly excessive, but perhaps a livable wage in the area, I can't say.
Phredd | 09.10.05 - 11:53 am |
THanks for the info.
9.55 is shit wages. It barely meets living expenses. Especially for people who have worked for years doing what they do.
Look at this headline from msnbc:
Link to headline
It reads: Dem rip U.S, respone
A "misplaced" comma makes it look like we are "ripping" the US
More of the same
"ITS AN ATRIOSITY NAD"
My reaction to most trolls.
"ITS AN ATRIOSITY NAD"
My reaction to most trolls.
I did not have the option of voting against the war last November. I had a choice between two pro-war candidates.
I voted for one.
Don't feel bad, most of us here did.
I said months beforehand that, when I cast that vote, I would feel a pain in my groin similar to a good, swift kick.
I'm still "feeling" it now.
That's what happens when society breaks down. Every man for himself and survival of the fittest.
Sorry it's harsh, but that's the way it is.
Billy B
Well, that was Hobbes' view, but it's not the only one available, nor an outcome inscribed in stone on the hearts or genes or medulla oblongatas of every human being.
And Hobbes used it to justify monarchy. So, be careful where you start from.
CEA,
Before you get too weepy and romantic about New Orleans' bygone days, bear in mind that a large part of that "culture" was crushing poverty
Well, I think you've hit something on the head, there. Are we really serving these people well is we rebuild all their run-down tenements and clapboard shacks and send them back to live in them as they did before? But of course, if they are relocated, there will be no way to avoid accusations of ethnic cleansing.
My fantasy would be that they rebuild the city for all the original inhabitants, but do it better. They give them decent houses, decent schools, and decent parks. Susidise the relocation of various clean industries to the area. Provide free vocational training and education. It could be a fascinating social experiment. See what happens when you take that same group of people and invest $100 billion in their economic development in the same place. IF it works, and NO then becomes an economic engine that more than pays back the investment, shedding its chains of crime and poverty, it could be a compelling argument for doing the same thing in other places, without the need for a hurricane to provide a clean slate first.
Well, like that's ever gonna happen -- right. But I can still dream.
You're confusing participatory democracy with voting.
SWR, not looking for a flaming, but how does what you said contradict what Tena said? Democracy requires participation. This does not mean that you are acting on some benighted "faith" that if you vote, the system will assuredly work just fine. It means you are acting on the certain knowledge that if you don't vote, the system assurely will NOT work.
I can hardly think of a more stark example than what we've seen the last two weeks. And I don't know, but I'd imagine the fact that you voted for one of the "pro war" candidates was based on the assumption - correct, in my view - that if the guy you voted for won, we would be out of Iraq sooner and with less damage to our people, our treasure, our standing in the world, and our safety, than if the other guy won. (Not to mention less damage to innocents in Iraq.)
god help us, they're shooting dogs. they're shooting dogs.
somebody do something. what can we do?
jello
Who is shooting dogs? The police? Rescue workers? People left behind in the melee who can't save the animals and would rather kill them quickly than let them suffer?
More info, please.
Cheney has already lined up several contracts for Haliburton. Is Costs plus 25% fair enough?
Jes Askin
No--it's an outrage. Halliburton didn't spend a decade getting these assholes elected so they could settle for a measly 25% profit margin.
David Schultz didn't slap that fucker hard enough.
BlakNo1
No, he didn't.
He left his empty head on his shoulders.
CEA I won't dignify your asinine statement.
Shorter version: Democracy - that's so '99.
I don't think I'm the only one here who fears how deeply our democracy was damaged by the appointment of the boy chimp by the US Supreme Court. As Wolcott is fond of saying, "How do you like it now, Gentlemen?"
You're confusing participatory democracy with voting.
Ok SWR, then you tell me - how does one participate if one doesn't vote, since democracy relies on voting?
I used to think it was important to vote.
But, with the past two elections (and Diebold), it doesn't count.
India sends aid for New Orleans
India has dispatched an air force plane laden with 22 tonnes of relief supplies to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.
India has already given the American Red Cross a donation of $5m to help relief efforts.
US officials now say that fears that up to 10,000 died in the disaster may be an overestimate.
The air force plane is expected to deliver its load on Monday after a first stop at Boston.
The Indian Ilyushin plane is carrying tarpaulins, blankets, personal hygiene kits and sheets, officials say.
9.55 is shit wages. It barely meets living expenses. Especially for people who have worked for years doing what they do.
smalfish
sh*t wages, regardless. And Bush thinks its too high.
Sorry, Mrs. Bush, but that's one more on the list of "disgusting" under the entry "George W. Bush, President, U.S.A."
I said months beforehand that, when I cast that vote, I would feel a pain in my groin similar to a good, swift kick.
I'm still "feeling" it now.
I have to think very carefully about what I'm going to do if it's something along the lines of Hillary (who will work so hard to protect me from video games) and Guiliani.
The rationale for the "lesser of two evils" used to be the Supreme Court and Roe vs. Wade. But Roe vs Wade is gone and Stevens will probably die soon giving Bush a chance to appoint another judge.
I think that maybe now is the time to start thinking about breaking away from the Democrats. I'm not saying "don't vote" but maybe it's time to start thinking about a new party.
This is a particularly disturbing account of a FEMA 'camp' set up in the absolute back of beyond Oklahoma, where apparently New Orleanais are to be detained, effectively for the next five months....
Let's not forget the rest of the Gulf re: rebuild. In MS, the casinos rule. An interview on NPR noted that the clientele draws only from a 100-mi radius, i.e., FL panhandle over to NO. So who is going to be playing blackjack anytime soon.
How about rebuilding these places to be more than tourist destinations, build a genuine economy. Of course that would require a better public school system to prepare workers for more than janitorial work.
Oh, never mind.
Note not only is Roe vs. Wade gone but the Democrats have not now and will do nothing to defend it.
Their jobs are more important.
blerb, I like your dream. I hope it happens.
Lost in the dust of the furious Atriot posting!
Don't miss This American Life this week. First person accounts of Katrina victims, plus other good stuff. EMS woman who wrote that description of the Gretna bridge incidents was on, with a second witness.
Question:
Thot I heard NPR say there was an actual written timeline on their website, but I can't pull anything up.
Anyone else hear that last night? And is there one there?
Their timeline is good because it starts earlier than some others, but I thought they had missed a few important things.
I do truly fear for NPR now--if Tomlinsen gets reports of this story. (He says he doesn't listen.)
CEA,
Before you get too weepy and romantic about New Orleans' bygone days, bear in mind that a large part of that "culture" was crushing poverty
We should all stand appalled that people in the Astrodome want to stay there, even for a few days, just because they are so unused to others being kind to them.
We don't need that New Orleans again. But we also don't need it anywhere else in this country. Yet people in Houston's old Wards would trade places with people in the Astrodome in a heartbeat.
We don't need to reconstruct the poverty of New Orleans. But we don't need to make it Disneyland on the Bayou, either.
Morning all.
How are we all this fine day?
I'll always vote no matter what. My polling place is two houses away.
However, I won't be voting for another pro-war, business-as-usual candidate.
I think that maybe now is the time to start thinking about breaking away from the Democrats. I'm not saying "don't vote" but maybe it's time to start thinking about a new party
Say hi to Nader for me. And by the way, for all the justifiable grousing about the Supreme Court, if there's no Ralph and his utopian Green vision of 2000, President Gore would be taking care of the hurricane victims today.
I said it in November 2000 and I'll say it again as long as this meme pops up. If you don't like the Dems, fight to change them. If we bail on them, the agenda of the left (and even of the anti-fundi center) will lose.
Not rebuild New Orleans?
Not rebuild Chicago after the Great Fire? Not rebuild San Francisco after the earthquake?
Not rebuild London after the Blitz?
Not rebuild Washington after the unpleasantness of 1812?
Why on earth would it be that in 2005 societies are less able to imagine and plan for a future thru rebuilding then we were in 1812?
But, with the past two elections (and Diebold), it doesn't count.
or for fuck's sake - that's what they want you to do - to give up and quit voting.
And that is most assuredly not what our founders had in mind.
New Orleans, Bush struggle to overcome Katrina
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AFP) - Floodwaters will likely be pumped out of New Orleans sooner than expected, but the US administration is reeling from Hurricane Katrina's aftermath as it prepares to commemorate the September 11 terror attacks.
Thousands are expected to march from the Pentagon and cross the Potomac River into Washington on Sunday, to congregate on the National Mall in commemoration of the September 11 attacks.
But the anniversary has served Bush's critics, in and out of government, who say that the war in Iraq -- waged in the name of the post-September 11 "war on terror" -- diverted attention, troops and resources from stateside emergencies like Katrina.
In New Orleans on Saturday, authorities continued the grisly search for those killed in the deadly storm, after a top federal official in charge of disaster relief fell casualty to mounting criticism of the operation.
Can we recall Bush?
Please.
so London should not of been rebuilt after the Great Fire of 1666?
How are we all this fine day?
Pissed on, and pissed off about it.
The much anticipated land grab is actually going to be a lot tougher than the external folks planned I'm afraid. One of the places that sustained a great deal of damage were the New Orleans Notarial Archives where all property records are kept - and without which no deed can be executed.
...it's going to be damned difficult to transfer property in New Orleans for a long time. Napoleonic Code, don't you know.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | 09.10.05 - 10:44 am
Maybe there was some longterm planning on BushCo's part: Maybe that's why is was worth people's lives to try to force the LA governor to give up sovereignty and hand LA over to the Feds.
Since the courts seem to think the executive branch can do whatever if damn well wants in time of "war," I'm sure they would extend that to time of "insurrection" or whatever BushCo was trying to achieve.
They are malicious, mendacious, but not totaly stupid. Very predatory. They are dumb, but they're not stupid: They figure out how to take care of themselves and their own.
Say hi to Nader for me. And by the way, for all the justifiable grousing about the Supreme Court, if there's no Ralph and his utopian Green vision of 2000, President Gore would be taking care of the hurricane victims today.
You're confusing 2005 with 2000. I voted for Gore in 2000.
You simply can't ride this horse forever. Now that the Supreme Court's gone it's time to realize that this is a moment perhaps where we'll have the freedom to break away from the Democrats.
Yes, I realize that once they've sold out Roe vs. Wade the Democrats will use Social Security as the new scare tactic to keep us in line. But I'm sure they'll sell that out too when the time comes.
I'll see how hard they fight Roberts. If they don't, I can't see any reason to prefer them over the Republicans.
I wouldn't vote for Nader if you put a gun to my head.
Last I checked, he wasn't the only 3rd party in town, although many like to pretend he is.
Cue someone kvetching about "ideological purity" in 3..2..
Why on earth would it be that in 2005 societies are less able to imagine and plan for a future thru rebuilding then we were in 1812?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
I blame television.
Oh, and local officials.
fux lies for fema
everone has said fema is resonsible for body recovery...and fux is trying to pretend they don't know that...
tont snow what a loser
Yahoo headline:
Bush seeks to rekindle national unity on Katrina
Translation:
Bush seeks to rekindle approval ratings after Katrina
heh. looks like i'm surrounded by wireless apartments.
wheeeee!
so London should not of been rebuilt after the Great Fire of 1666?
Moonbootica
That's so 17th century!
Rep Sensennbrenner, the fatfuck from WI who "solemnly" waddled into the capitol the articles of impeachment for a blowjob against the last duly elected president, Bill Clinton, remember him? Well, he was one of only 11 representatives to vote against the Katrina aid package, saying he wanted to see it contain some method of accounting for the spending. If that creep sees the problem, we're in a world of hurt.
Fox is now representing the views of the white police officers of La....
a part of their dump on the locals plan
I was shocked. Dateline NBC, which has been a major Bush fellator, was very damning of him and his people last night.
I agree with Ronjazz (and George Carlin, I guess).
I re-registered as an Independent in 1992 after not voting for years, because I just couldn't stand the thought of another four years of the Reagan-Bush dynasty.
I'm well aware of all of the pious arguments that regard voting as an absolute duty and obligation, from the "this is what people died for in the first place" to the "if you don't vote, you have obviously abandoned political discourse and are shunned".
My (older, of course) sister practically tore me a new one when I remarked after Kerry's nomination that he was simply another Al Gore who would fail because his handlers would simply attempt to install improved animatronics and reduce him to the Non-Incumbent. That may not have turned out to be the whole truth, but it was true enough.
In retrospect, her arguments, which included those noted above, can be summed up with, "As you know, you campaign with the candidate you have, not the candidate you might want or wish to have at a later time."
And it's possible to feel as if voting is simply a delusion of control or power. It's hard to resist the bleak suspicion that government is like a raging Irish elk running down the road, and voters are like microbes encouraged to race to the antler more consistent with their views and beliefs in order to control the rampaging beast, curb its violent and destructive excesses, and ultimately tame it to do the wisest microbes' bidding.
When the beast tilts our way, the microbes believe that their collective weight is causing the shift.
To vote or not to vote is not the no-brainer zealots make it out to be.
Last I checked, he wasn't the only 3rd party in town, although many like to pretend he is.
Yep. You can't keep shouting down debate on the Democrats by screaming Nader. He's out of the picture. It's a bit like campaigning against Michael Dukakis.
You're confusing 2005 with 2000. I voted for Gore in 2000.
Um, I think you are, actually.
And you're not keeping your eye on the ball. Roberts is no longer the issue. Rehnquist was the last Justice actually on the Court when Roe was decided. He voted in the minority (it was just him and Burger). There's not much question of Roberts being more conservative, in any respect, than Rehnquist.
The issue is the O'Connor seat. That's the big question mark.
--Fux News: Vice President Cheney claims that the displaced Negros are "living high on the hog." "They'll never go back to their former life," he said. "They're getting more subsidies than an arms manufacturer."
Lime Rickey | 09.10.05 - 11:53 am | #
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As Israel's disengagement from Gaza enters Day 2, we go to Gaza City to speak with leading Israeli journalist Amira Hass. A majority of the Jewish settlers have accepted a compensation package - in between $150,000 to $400,000 - from the Israeli government in return for leaving Gaza. Hass reports that the thousands of Palestinians working for the settlers are receiving nothing. [includes rush transcript]
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OF COURSE THE $$$$$$$$$$$$$ CAME FROM OUR POCKETS 
Who is shooting dogs? The police? Rescue workers? People left behind in the melee who can't save the animals and would rather kill them quickly than let them suffer?
More info, please.
Stinky
http://www.helpinganimals.com/f-...sp?
c=ha_kat_net
September 9, 2005, 12 p.m.: Officials Shooting Dogs in Louisiana—Feds Must Hear from You Today!
In the latest and most graphic display of our government's abandonment of animal-handling guidelines in disasters that were created with PETA's help years ago, some law enforcement agencies are now shooting dogs left stranded in St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana.
Revolting video footage posted on the Web site of the Dallas Morning News shows officers shooting dogs. At least one of their victims survived the gunshots and was apparently left to die a slow, agonizing death amid debris from the storm.
Of course, shooting is not an approved, reasonable, or reliable method of animal control. In fact, The 2000 Report of the AVMA [American Veterinary Medical Association] Panel on Euthanasia—the veterinary medical authority on euthanasia—states, "[G]unshot should not be used for routine euthanasia of animals in animal control situations." This dangerous method often fails to achieve instantaneous unconsciousness; animals can be injured by initial gunshots and suffer tremendously before dying, as seems to be happening in St. Bernard Parish. Gunshot is also categorized as an inhumane method of killing in The Humane Society of the United States' "General Statement Regarding Euthanasia Methods for Dogs and Cats."
This horror for animals, which is but the latest of many to be seen in Katrina's wake, underscores the urgent need for you to call on those in charge, today, to end immediately their callous policies toward animals suffering and to make the plight of animals affected by these disasters a part of planned investigations and hearings.
so London should not of been rebuilt after the Great Fire of 1666?
Moonbootica
Like London, NO should put up a Monument warning of fires caused by the "Catholic Menace?"
-although that phrase (in Latin) was scrubbed off the Monument long before I could get a pic of it. Ah well, we can still flip off Cromwell's statue...
heh. looks like i'm surrounded by wireless apartments.
wheeeee!
watertiger
So you're the one who keeps logging onto my system!
*shakes fist*
And get off my lawn!
Durn kids!
Sorry, but I just tuned in, due to computer annoyances. And while I get the point of the post here,I have to say: Yeah, it'll be boring to those who have no stake in the outcome. i.e. those who should shut the fuck up about it.
I don't even live there anymore, and I know that I will never be bored by a single meeting relevant to the future of my city.
Those who are bored, and those who are vultures looking to make a profit from this misery can just quite simply fuck off.
it is believe the Great Fire of London wiped out what was left of the plague rats.
The plague repeatedly returned to haunt Europe and the Mediterranean throughout the 14th to 17th centuries, and finally disappeared suddenly after 1665-1666, with the last major outbreak, known as the Great Plague of London. According to the bubonic plague theory, one possible explanation for the disappearance of plague from Europe may be that the black rat (Rattus rattus) infection reservoir and its disease vector was subsequently displaced and succeeded by the bigger Norwegian, or brown, rat (Rattus norvegicus), which is not as prone to transmit the germ-bearing fleas to humans in large rat die-offs (see Appleby and Slack references below). The Great Fire of London in 1666, sometimes credited as helping end the plague outbreak, contributed to the ascendancy of brown rats in England. The Great Fire of London may have killed off any remaining plague bearing rats and fleas, which led to a decline in the plague.
Black Death
I think that maybe now is the time to start thinking about breaking away from the Democrats. I'm not saying "don't vote" but maybe it's time to start thinking about a new party.
At the Congressional level, there has never been a greater opportunity for a third party. With the current degree of polarization, even a handful of third-party Senators would have a huge impact on anything that came to the floor (witness the "Gang of 14"). Of course, third party candidates would have no voice in committees, so couldn't bring any original legislation, but they could at least help choose between the Democratic evil and the Republican evil on any given issue.
But I hope the "progressives" who supported Ralph Nader learned their lesson. They're too deeply in denial to admit it, but they are personally responsible for George W. Bush being president of the United States. Until I see compelling evidence that there are as many dissatisfied R voters as there are dissatisfied D voters, I can't support a third party candidate--otherwise it's just a "divide and conquer" scenario for handing even more power to the GOP.
I think that maybe now is the time to start thinking about breaking away from the Democrats. I'm not saying "don't vote" but maybe it's time to start thinking about a new party.
At the Congressional level, there has never been a greater opportunity for a third party. With the current degree of polarization, even a handful of third-party Senators would have a huge impact on anything that came to the floor (witness the "Gang of 14"). Of course, third party candidates would have no voice in committees, so couldn't bring any original legislation, but they could at least help choose between the Democratic evil and the Republican evil on any given issue.
But I hope the "progressives" who supported Ralph Nader learned their lesson. They're too deeply in denial to admit it, but they are personally responsible for George W. Bush being president of the United States. Until I see compelling evidence that there are as many dissatisfied R voters as there are dissatisfied D voters, I can't support a third party candidate--otherwise it's just a "divide and conquer" scenario for handing even more power to the GOP.
I was shocked. Dateline NBC, which has been a major Bush fellator, was very damning of him and his people last night.
Sallyh
Reality.
It's a killer.
The issue is the O'Connor seat. That's the big question mark.
Yes or not.
The Democrats will hard for Roe vs. Wade?
I say no. I realize how you could disagree but the pro-Life/pro Christian fascist stuff I've been hearing from Hillary makes me doubt it.
I love Carlin and I loved every word out of Vonnegut's mouth, but I think on the whole I was most impressed with Cynthia Tucker last night on Maher. She had a lot of substantive facts on hand to rebuke the slime ball.
What pissed me off the most about where he went was the whole inevitable looting thing about "oh my a loss of ORDER! oh my god, a complete loss of order!"
Like it happened in a vaccum? Like order was lost with no precipitating events? Like the people that tipped the scales that caused the cascade of events to happen bear no blame for that loss of order, only the to people at the bottom of the cascade that reacted to the chain of other mitigating, PREVENTABLE, events?
Government exists, in part, to keep and preserve order, ya fucking conservative dimwit!
and that's what I yelled at the teevee....
Flory--I made cinnamon buns. Want some?
Gee, what fucking democracy are you fantasizing bout? The one where Gore won the popular vote and jeb Bush's whore K Harris got to overturn it? Ot the one where Blackwell of Ohio managed to keep all the black Dems in line for 6 or 8 hours until they got discouraged and went home? this is a sick, sad joke that anyone here still thinks we have a participatory democracy above the school board level. voting with your feet and your dollars is the ony thing that has a chance of turning America into a democracy, that and repealing the electoral college laws. What kind of democracy turns its government over to an electoral college? Pull your hea out of your ass. This is a republic, not a democracy. And it only works if there is a free press. Which there isn't.
hey, gang, rob is back. Hi rob.
Billy B
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grrr haloscan ate my post
New Orleanais are to be detained, effectively for the next five months....
GWPDA,
I read that yesterday, and my first thought was about the segregated dorms. Do they really expect grown ups, many of them married, to forego sex for six months. I'm also disturbed by boys as young as 13 being housed with grown men who are being denied carnal pleasure with women. Maybe I have watched to much "Oz" but it seems like we are deliberately setting up a dangerous situation here.
Bush seeks to rekindle national unity on Katrina
It's too late. The Republicans have already stripped away the veneer of their own civility and laid bare their hideous racist and imperial beliefs and ineptitude for all the world to see. There is no going back. There is no un-saying what has been said, and no un-doing what they have done.
Great Fire of London 1666
The fire of 1666 was one of the biggest calamities in the history of London. It destroyed 13,200 houses, 87 parish churches, 6 chapels, 44 Company Halls, the Royal Exchange, the Custom House, St Paul's Cathedral, the Guildhall, the Bridewell Palace and other City prisons, the Session House, four bridges across the rivers Thames and Fleet, and three city gates, and made homeless 100,000 people, one sixth of the city's inhabitants at that time. The death toll from the fire is unknown, and is traditionally thought to have been quite small, but a recent book theorizes that thousands may have died in the flames.
What ronjazz said, in triplicate.
oh me, Sally, I kept missing pie and quiche last night in every thread!
OK, let's not restrict it to Nader. Third parties will fail. They always have, and they always will. American parties are not ideological, that's the point. They are coalitions. What they stand for and what they do at any given moment depends on who is in them, and what they're fighting for, at any given time.
Look not only at Nader - look at Perot, John Anderson, George Wallace (all of whom got vastly larger percentages of the popular vote than Nader '00). Doesn't matter that these people were not left. Remember that each represented to their supporters a new way, a new vision, an idealistic chance to break free of the parties. The fallacy, of course, is that all they did was siphon off votes and enthusiasm down a black hole.
heh. looks like i'm surrounded by wireless apartments.
Just goes to show that many (I'll say 99%) of the people use their wireless routers right out of the box without configuring the security features at all.
New Orleanais are to be detained, effectively for the next five months....
Wait... Haloscan hid that post from me. Can you repost the link?
Christopher Wren was put in charge of re-building the city after the fire. His original plans involved rebuilding the city in brick and stone to a grid plan with continental piazzas and avenues. But because many buildings had survived to basement level, legal disputes over ownership of land ended the grid plan idea. From 1667, Parliament raised funds for re-building London by taxing coal, and the city was eventually rebuilt to its existing street plan, but built instead out of brick and stone and with improved sanitation and access. This is the main reason why today's London is a modern city, yet with a medieval design to its streets. Christopher Wren also re-built St Paul's Cathedral 11 years after the fire.
I have a dumb question.
Why weren't all the houses in NOLA built on stilts?
Yep, can't let the "wrong snake" win.
Tony Snow too stupid to be allowed to live --he just said the debit cards were discontinued because people were buying Louis Vuiton luggage instead of the facts -which is they required too much staff time to administer
why does't his head explode
There is no un-saying what has been said, and no un-doing what they have done.
Phredd
Oh, ye of little faith in Karl Rove!
Oh what could have been:
Gore airlifts victims from New Orleans
Former vice president chartered two private aircraft
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 7:22 a.m. EDT (11:22 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS...e.ap/
index.html
New Orleanais are to be detained, effectively for the next five months....
I still don't know how they are dealing with things here in Austin, but I'm scheduled to go down there and work with the evacuees tomorrow from 3 to 7, and I'll report back...
(And hey, you Austinites, you should be doing the same!)
the Great Fire of London wiped out basically the old medieval and Tudor London.
Wren had visions of a beautiful city which would of put European cities to shame.
But the businessmen were in a hurry to get back to making money so needed a quicker plan.
Also the rich moved out of former posh places like Covent Garden into more fancier squares.
The poor had to accept what they were given.
fuck CEA and GEE, Al Gore lost because al gore lost. 97,000 Florida Nader voters didn't lose the election, Al Gore lost the election.
re: let's abandon NO, that theme is spreading and fast. don't remember anyone telling the farmers flooded in 1993 that they should maybe not farm in a floodplain.
don't remember anyone telling the rich homeowners in Sanibel Island in 2004 that they might not want to rebuild their McMansions on a coastal barrier island. 4 Hurricans in FL in 2004, and not one word about rich white people abandoning their coastal views.
but yeah, let's abandon New Orleans. we can "rebuild" Fallujah but we can't rebuild New Orleans? now that sounds like a winning electoral strategery .
Jello--sent off with a vengeance.
The one where Gore won the popular vote and jeb Bush's whore K Harris got to overturn it?
The more I look at it the more I think that this was the moment when the Democrats ceased being a credible party, when Gore didn't fight the decision in Florida (contrast to the Ukraine). Since then they've pretty much been a bonsai party for show, to prove we're a two party state.
Why weren't all the houses in NOLA built on stilts?
res ipsa loquitur
My guess is that in order to have a chance to withstand the effects of a levee breach, the first floor would have to begin at least 15 feet in the air.
At the Congressional level, there has never been a greater opportunity for a third party. -CEA
Marshall Wittman, is that you? The Third Way, my ass. Forget it.
There is no un-saying what has been said, and no un-doing what they have done.
Okay, does it make me a geek that I immediately thought of Futurama:
You watched it! You can't unwatch it!
9.55 is shit wages. It barely meets living expenses. Especially for people who have worked for years doing what they do.
smalfish
Let's put this in perspective. At normal work hours, that's less than $20k per year.
Who the fuck can live on that -- especially in area where housing is going to be in short supply and therefore VERY pricey?
lavalamp--I saw your request and saved you some from last night.
And have a cinnamon bun for good measure.
Yes, I realize that once they've sold out Roe vs. Wade the Democrats will use Social Security as the new scare tactic to keep us in line. But I'm sure they'll sell that out too when the time comes.
I just don't buy the fact that the dems have sold Roe down the river. As the minority party, I think they have been working pretty hard in getting their voices heard. Especially when you consider that the repukes have just about destroyed the press. Are the dems as leftist as I would prefer. Absolutely not, but I agree with those who say we should be working to change the party. A third party will just be totally ineffectual and further diminish any chance we have of saving what is left of the republic.
Afternoon, all.
OT, but the Sci-Fi channel is
running a Bruce Campbell festival
starting in an hour.
Two new ones -- at 7pm, ALIEN
APOCALYPSE, with Renee O'Connor
(the little blonde cupcake from
XENA), and then at 9pm, the
piece de resistance -- MAN
WITH THE SCREAMING BRAIN, directed
by Campbell himself.
What an evening!!!!!!!
Just goes to show that many (I'll say 99%) of the people use their wireless routers right out of the box without configuring the security features at all.
Max Planck
Yeah, and encryption is not hard to enable on them. Even WEP will accord them some protection.
Look not only at Nader - look at Perot, John Anderson, George Wallace (all of whom got vastly larger percentages of the popular vote than Nader '00).
Anderson was irrelevent but Wallace and Perot had a profound effect.
Perot threw the race to Clinton by giving people on the right on out not to vote for Bush.
Wallace provided the base for Nixon's Southern Strategy and the Reagan Democrats.
And look at Williams Jenning Bryan and the Populists. The Democrats and Republicans were forced to become more liberal to coopt their votes. Had there been no Populist Party, we might not have had Roosevet and the New Deal.
I think that maybe now is the time to start thinking about breaking away from the Democrats. I'm not saying "don't vote" but maybe it's time to start thinking about a new party
Look, it's really very simple. In the current, situation, we are faced with a choice between a party that does not serve us as well as we might like and one that actually seems to want to destroy us. Supporting a third party in national races does nothing but undermine the party whose philosophy is closest to the third party in question.
Thus, undermining the party that disappoints us does nothing but strengthen the party that makes war on us. Anybody with a clear thought process has to recognize this.
Meanwhile, the third party never, ever gets enough votes to acquire any actual political power, save the power to strengthen the worst option.
So If you want to build a third party, you have to do it from the ground up You support it in local races in places where it actually has enough support to win elections. For example, I had no problem whatsoever with Matt Gozales running for mayor of San Francisco, or even with Peter Camejo running for governor of California. They were in a position to actually garner a reasonable fraction of the vote, and Bill Simon was not going to win a majority no matter what.
But Ralph Nader can now be reasonably regarded as the single individual most responsible for the destruction that has been visited upon our country by the Busheviks. Anbd I don't even think it makes him unhappy that that is true. He drinks from a cup of bitterness that he likes to share.
And as to the idea that we'll just get Diebolded anyway, not this point carefully:
Last time, it was easy to make the case that discrepancies between polling results and the vote counting were within the margin of error. I was only a couple of percentage points. It is hard to build too much widespread outrage on that kind of a margin.
If that discrepancy becomes more than 5%, it is going to become very, very hard for any faking of the vote that changes the result to pass the smell test. In other words, even if your vote doesn't count, it does.
I mean, are you just going to lie down and make it easy for them to Diebold you?? Are you? Get real!
Two new enemies in one day--I'm on a roll.
Mrs. Ibrahim--overdose of snark?
Naah.
But have some pie and cinnamon buns.
While it is heart-wrenching to see how the blacks were treated during Katrina, let us remember a dozen black men and women are the ones poised to bring down this Admin - DC Grand Jury investigating Plame case. Do you think they were not following Katrina coverage?
Time's Matt Cooper said the GJ (dominated by black women) was intense and they asked two-thirds of the questions, with Fritz asking the rest on their behalf.
They will take the ultimate revenge.
Fritz will wind them up like a catapult spring too.
Oh, and as far as cut-rate reconstruction in NOLA:
Philadelphia residents are well aware of how this city government scandalously and atrociously added insult to injury after the 1985 MOVE catastrophe, in which a police operation resulted in an entire residential neighborhood burning down.
There was what appeared to be a refreshingly responsible and humanitarian plan to rebuild the burned-out neighborhood to its former condition, or better, and return the victimized residents to the best approximation possible of their former lives.
But the construction work was contracted out to bidders who did what turned out to be a quick and dirty job, and many "new homes" quickly manifested structural defects that made them uninhabitable.
By then the city gummint had phased out of "Good Samaritan" Mode, and there ensued a scandalous war of litigation between doubly-victimized residents and a city administration who simply kept trying to point fingers while washing its hands of the mess.
Incidentally, there were plenty of "bipartisan" investigations and admissions that "mistakes were made".
Only this year, twenty years after, did a judge declare in favor of some of the "hard-line" residents who refused to accept previous lame settlements.
Cut-rate wages? Sure, why not! Just remember: you get what you pay for.
Merkin Patriot :
THERE'S NO NEED TO SHOUT!
May I suggest an informal rule? When people don't get Merkin let's not say anything. Merkin stands on his own, he doesn't need explanations.
Steve Simels--from the point of Scifi, it's going to be a glorious day.
New Orleans
Much of the city is located below sea level between the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain, so the city is surrounded by levees. Until the early 20th century, construction was largely limited to the slightly higher ground along old natural river levees and bayous, since much of the rest of the land was swampy and subject to frequent flooding.
This gave the 19th century city the shape of a crescent along a bend of the Mississippi, the origin of the nickname The Crescent City. In the 1910s engineer and inventor A. Baldwin Wood enacted his ambitious plan to drain the city, including large pumps of his own design which are still used. All rain water must be pumped up to the canals which drain into Lake Pontchartrain. Wood's pumps and drainage allowed the city to expand greatly in area. However, pumping of groundwater from underneath the city has resulted in subsidence.
Thanks sally, sorry to jump up so quick- didn't see those buns were flory's!
how are things with your daughter?
fuck CEA and GEE, Al Gore lost because al gore lost. 97,000 Florida Nader voters didn't lose the election, Al Gore lost the election.
Actually, I don't disagree with that. Gore runs a better campaign, he wins regardless of the Florida monkey business, Nader and the rest. But that doesn't really contradict what I said about Ralph. He's not in the race, Gore wins, period.
And notice that I did not find it necessary to say "fuck" anybody in the above.
However, pumping of groundwater from underneath the city has resulted in subsidence. The subsidence greatly increased the flood risk, should the levees be breached or precipitation be in excess of pumping capacity (as was the case in 2005 in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina). There were many warnings in the late 20th century that a major hurricane or a Mississippi flood could create a lake in the central city as much as 9 m (30 ft) deep, which could take months to pump dry.
John Stossel, White Devil: In his example, of course, someone has the ability to have ready cash with them, it wasn't washed away, it been used up, or whatever. His parent of the dying baby had $20 for the water.
What about the parent with no money or much less?
Stossel must suffer in a an afterlife, if there is one. Given the aveage life span, there isn't enough time left to his for him to suffer sufficiently.
Merkin Patriot :
THERE'S NO NEED TO SHOUT!
May I suggest an informal rule? When people don't get Merkin let's not say anything. Merkin stands on his own, he doesn't need explanations.
Finny
Merkin is sui generis.
This horror for animals, which is but the latest of many to be seen in Katrina's wake, underscores the urgent need for you to call on those in charge, today, to end immediately their callous policies toward animals suffering and to make the plight of animals affected by these disasters a part of planned investigations and hearings.
jello
That's just fucked up and wrong. There are plenty of people and resources who are on the ground and ready to assist in animal rescue efforts.
I can understand desperate people shooting suffering dogs - I don't condone it, but under the circumstances, I'd get it.
But rescue workers and police should know better.
In the 1920s an effort to "modernize" the look of the city removed the old cast-iron balconies from Canal Street, the city's commercial hub. In the 1960s another "modernization" effort replaced the Canal Streetcar Line with buses. Both of these moves came to be regarded as mistakes long after the fact, and the streetcars returned to a portion of Canal Street at the end of the 1990s, and construction to restore the entire line was completed in April 2004.
OT, anyone else listening to "This American Life" right now. NOLA stories from survivors. So unbelievable.
Lavalamp--she says she's happy, so I'm letting it go as best I can.
sallyh,
if there is one thing the Islamic Republic of Florida is good at is rebuilding McMansions on coastal barrier islands. again and again and again and again.
never once, in over a dceade here, seen anyone suggest that maybe putting McMansions on hurricane-prone coastal barrier islands is a bad idea. not once.
maybe Dennis Hastert could point us to his statements in 1993 discussing the need to relocate Midwestern farmers from their farms in floodplains?
and yes, a cinnamon bun would be muy deliciosa ahorra mismo.
ronjazz - Pull your hea out of your ass.
Because I advocate voting?
Oh right, that makes all the difference. I now see the light - how could I have been so foolish.
I voted all my adult life - someone lock me up.
shit.
Or perhaps i won't.
Gore had the votes, dammit, they just weren't counted. And if there had been no "butterfly ballot," the recount would not have been necessary. If there had been no Nader run, it wouldn't have been necessary.
IF....
Let's put this in perspective. At normal work hours, that's less than $20k per year.
Who the fuck can live on that -- especially in area where housing is going to be in short supply and therefore VERY pricey?
No, lets put in more stark manor.
Carpenters make in the vicinity of 14-16 dollars an hour here in Dallas. Plumbers nad electricians and AC guys make much more.
As I understand it, junior wants to lower it from 9.55 downwards.
There will be no one to build their fucking cities and towns at that rate. NO ONE.
Merkin is sui generis.
Sallyh
It would be kinda interesting to have a compilation of Mr. Patriot's take over the past year on several topics.
Hannity would probably try to book him on his show.
my father has never missed a vote.
except only once, and this person he knew who was running in the election lost by one vote.
my parents felt a little guilty for being so absent minded.
This yr it was my first vote in a General Election.
Why on earth would it be that in 2005 societies are less able to imagine and plan for a future thru rebuilding then we were in 1812?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
In 1812 we still had visionaries who were determined to make their grand experiment work running the place.
In 2005 we have the Bush Crime Family and their corrupt cronies -- who would have been very happy in the other King George's England.
I think O'Conner should have stayed on the Supreme Court until she couldn't function any more--because she created this mess, along with the other 4 bastards who voted Bush into office. She deserved to have to deal with the crap she helped heap on this nation.
OK iM SCREAMING ...AGAIN IF WE CAN PAY THE JEWISH SETTLERS ...HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, WHY ARE WE REAMING NOLA 
Stinky -
Jello is rob. ignore it.
re the houses on stilts- I suspect it may have to do with a prevalence termites-- big problem in Nola, I believe.
I used to have a friend that grew up down there who used to talk about termites-I'm trying to dredge it up from my memory but if I recall, there was a tremendous termite problem, which makes sense, given the reality of 100 percent plus average humidity and very old wood.
off to do research...(takes a cinnamon bun)
Perot threw the race to Clinton by giving people on the right on out not to vote for Bush.
This is an oft-repeated urban legend repeatedly disproven by polls at the time. There is zero evidence that Perot helped Clinton more than Poppy.
Even if it were true, it would prove my point. Conservatives who voted for Perot certainly weren't doing so to put Clinton in office. Yet by your accouunt, that's what they did.
Fuck this shit, if people enjoy life in a hamster wheel, who am I to tell them any different?
Had there been no Populist Party, we might not have had Roosevet and the New Deal.
SWR
I think Hoovervilles and folks relying on Al Capone to feed them may have caused some to lose faith in Republican stewardship.
I watched the video about shooting dogs--one that was shot was not killed outright before the shooters moved on in their military-looking vehicle. The guys filming wanted to stop to do something for the dog.
It was painful. These were not feral dogs, these were not threatening anyone.
Of course, the cats mostly will hide--and probably die painful deaths.
Liars for Bush: Tony Snow too stupid to be allowed to live--he just said the debit cards were discontinued because people were buying Louis Vuiton luggage...
Dammit! Those cards were for buying Ferragamo shoes!
re the houses on stilts- I suspect it may have to do with a prevalence termites-- big problem in Nola, I believe.
Could be. I suspect because of the potential for floods.
Used to be common in the Mississippi River flood plain.
My great aunt used to live in a hose on stilts. For three or for months a year, they got to and from their house in a boat.
OK iM SCREAMING ...AGAIN IF WE CAN PAY THE JEWISH SETTLERS ...HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, WHY ARE WE REAMING NOLA
Oh, you mustn't say that. Why, you must hate jews, or something...
I'm worried, Flory. Our acting FEMA head has degrees in recreation and business administration.
Flory--I made cinnamon buns. Want some?
Sallyh
You need to ask?
Pretty please.
he just said the debit cards were discontinued because people were buying Louis Vuiton luggage...
Yes, I believe $2000 should just about stretch to cover an eyeglass case. About.
Poor Elizabeth Bumiller.
Even she can't put out a decent fluffer about Bush and Drownie.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/
1...artner=homepage
Sittenpretty--no logic prevails in this Regime.
Even if it were true, it would prove my point. Conservatives who voted for Perot certainly weren't doing so to put Clinton in office. Yet by your accouunt, that's what they did.
Even if it were true, it would prove my point. Leftists who voted for Nader certainly weren't doing so to put Bush in office. Yet by your accouunt, that's what they did.
To the observant journalist, this shouldn't be boring at all. The details you outlined, and more, are the ones to watch. Don't be bored, journalists, and don't lose focus... there are going to be great stories in this.
billy, what kind of a monster would joke about dogs being shot? that's disgusting. i'm not rob. that's a real website i posted with real video footage. i'd appreciate you stop misrepresenting me.
Maybe I have watched to much "Oz" but it seems like we are deliberately setting up a dangerous situation here.
ql in ny
My first reaction was it was intentional. The last thing they want is 'those' people breeding.
More of 'em? Horrors.
smalfish--Chimpy wants workers to take $5/hour.
Isn't the Katrina devistation reconstruction on hold until Dear Leader's props and supports can be hammered back into place?
Even if it were true, it would prove my point. Leftists who voted for Nader certainly weren't doing so to put Bush in office. Yet by your accouunt, that's what they did.
Absolutely right, that's the same argument Nader cultists trot out every single time.
smalfish--Chimpy wants workers to take $5/hour.
Sallyh
Chimpy wants labor camps.
There hasn't been a dime minted that doesn't have these ghouls' names on it.
billy, what kind of a monster would joke about dogs being shot?
The same kind of moneter that ratted you out when you called me a monster when you were touting some other cause.
For the record, I didn't joke about any dogs being shot, rob. Stop putting words in my mouth.
can someone remind me again by how many votes Vice President Gore lost in Tennessee in 2000? just wondering?
Well, I'm successfully pissed off. That means it's time to go. Good day, eh?
The fallacy, of course, is that all they did was siphon off votes and enthusiasm down a black hole.
Gee - 12:24 pm
Far better that they maintain their votes and enthusiasm in the black hole they were already in, eh?
(It's a pity someone didn't remind Ray Nagin that it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness.)
Even if it were true, it would prove my point. Leftists who voted for Nader certainly weren't doing so to put Bush in office. Yet by your accouunt, that's what they did.
Right, that is what they did.
Not sure if I see how that proves your point, though.
By the way:
Clinton did begin to cut into, contrary to Vic's assertion, the Republican presidential coalition. Yes, a majority of Perot's voters voted for Bush in 1988. But, the more relevant point is that '88 Bush voters who abandoned the Republican ticket four years later split evenly between Clinton and Perot -- 21 percent and 20 percent respectively. (Bush kept only 59 percent of his 1988 voters who turned out this year.)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2519/
is_n5_v13/ai_13975246
wow - still the same thread?
a thought to consider: if gore is re-elected in 2008, do you think he is constitutionally limited to only one more term?
So what _is_ the deal with the "wage cut?" Is it just a way to let the insurance companies generate lowball repair estimates so that they can stiff their policyholders? Or is it a way to put the poor blacks in NOLA back to work collecting corpses and shoveling toxic sludge without having to pay them a living wage?
In any event, it's not going to make any difference in the skilled trades. Chimpy probably blew off Econ class the day they explained about supply and demand, but let's just say that any skilled tradesmen in NOLA are going to be setting their own wages for the next 5 or 10 years, and I don't think they'll be setting them at $9.55 an hour.
another thought to consider:
sometimes, there isn't room for jello after all.
AP Ipsos has Chimpy at 39 percent.
I'm shocked it's that high.
i didn't rat you out. i don't even know you.
So what _is_ the deal with the "wage cut?"
That is the way the repukes roll.
Far better that they maintain their votes and enthusiasm in the black hole they were already in, eh?
exactly. Joe Lieberman and Joe Biden have nothing but the best interests of America's working class at heart.
"How can I help the average American" is what the Senator from MNBA thinks everyday as he calculates the earnings on his portfolio.
AGAIN IF WE CAN PAY THE JEWISH SETTLERS ...HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, WHY ARE WE REAMING NOLA
Honestly?
Because AIPAC is a very powerful lobby and no one in Congress, Dems especially, want to piss them off. Much like the Cuba lobby.
Poor black folk in NO don't have a rich and powerful lobby working for them.
i didn't rat you out. i don't even know you.
jello
No, rob, I ratted you out. And you were using one of your other names.
Far better that they maintain their votes and enthusiasm in the black hole they were already in, eh?
Right, that's exactly what I was saying. Thanks for listening.
The point, in words of one syllable: we'll do it within the Dem party, or we won't do it at all. That doesn't mean we have to support Joementum or even Hillary. It may mean new candidates hardly anyone has even contemplated yet (I think it does). It may mean - I hope it does - a profound change in themes and in guts. Iraq was a mistake. There are two Americas and it's a scandal. Like that.
That's all I'm sayin'.
Leftists who voted for Nader certainly weren't doing so to put Bush...
******
and if it hadn't been for all the jews in dade county voting for buchanan....
excerpt from Bumiller:
"One prominent African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to Karl Rove, the White House political chief, said the president did not go into the heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on his first trip there, last Friday, because he knew that White House officials were "scared to death" of the reaction.
"If I'm Karl, do I want the visual of black people hollering at the president as if we're living in Rwanda?" said the supporter, who spoke only anonymously because he did not want to antagonize Mr. Rove."
Well I wish I was in New Orleans
I can see it in my dreams
arm in arm down Burgandy
a bottle and my friends and me
Hoist up a few tall cold ones
play some pool and listen to that
tenor saxaphone calling me home
I can hear the band begin
When The Saints Go Marching In
by the whiskers on my chin
New Orleans I'll be there.
Tom Waits -
They lost New Orleans and now as punishment they're going to be allowed to loot the treasury some more????
Take their hands off the levers of power! That march on the 24th is a good place to start - needs a national movement - PLEASE!
AP Ipsos has Chimpy at 39 percent.
So ~13% of Shrub voters abandoned ship within a year of the election, or people who already disapproved of him, voted for him.
Have numbers like these ever happened before?
Oh, and for all of you still keeping score on unanticipated consequences - let us not overlook in matters of rebuilding the place of timber. Granted the houses that remain standing in the region are obviously brick or block of some kind, there will still be a huge demand for timber.
Who right now has a few problems concerning lumber? Who ships over 19billion board feet of lumber a year? And who right now is trying desperately to destroy the import timber business?
Canada and the United States are the largest trading partners in the world. ...the ongoing softwood lumber dispute costs our countries both jobs and investment. The U.S. duties on Canadian softwood lumber imports have led to increased lumber prices in the U.S. and prevented many Americans from owning a home. Canada is seeking an end to the duties imposed by the Department of Commerce, the refund of over $3.4 billion (C$4.25 billion) in collected duties and a durable solution to prevent further disputes in our softwood lumber trade. On November 30, Prime Minister Martin and President Bush agreed on the need to resolve the softwood dispute. Canada is committed to finding a durable resolution to the dispute, and remains open to opportunities for negotiating a mutually beneficial settlement.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
cartoo...1566268,00.html
flood commentary from the gaurdian (just a pic)
The Whigs remain secure in the knowledge that no new upstart party will ever gain a foothold in America.
Our acting FEMA head has degrees in recreation and business administration.
Sallyh
Yeah, and this is the acting head. Imagine what the permanent one will be like.
And I sit less than a mile from the most dangerous earthquake faultline in CA....
can someone remind me again by how many votes Vice President Gore lost in Tennessee in 2000? just wondering?
Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari
prolly about 4-5 truckloads...|
Even if it were true, it would prove my point. Conservatives who voted for Perot certainly weren't doing so to put Clinton in office. Yet by your accouunt, that's what they did.
The problem is you addressed the less important example, Perot and not the more important example, Wallace.
Without Wallace running as a third party candidate, the alliance between right-wing southerners and racist northern white ethnics would have taken longer to crystalize. Nixon might have lost and we might not have gotten Reagan.
The fact that you chose Perot and not Wallace shows you realize it's a weakness in your argument.
you crazed troll hunters who see phantoms that don't exist are better left ignored.
Honestly, Nader didn't make Bush president in 2000.
Gore did. Nader couldn't have fought the vote count. Gore refused to.
I bet he goes to his grave regretting it.
Actually, 25% of Shrub's voters have wandered off the range. 13% of all voters.
Is MSNBC finally getting it?
Article about 80 percent of returning LA National Guard losing jobs, homes, and relatives.
Some things are so far off, they're not even wrong.
to me, "let's use Nader as an example" is prima facie evidence of the "concerned Democrat" troll talking point. just saying.
if gore is re-elected in 2008, do you think he is constitutionally limited to only one more term?
dirk gently
Oh, criminey!!
Lets not give them ideas. I can just see some wingnut foundation filing a lawsuit that he's consitutionally ineligible.
Flory--pray we don't have a major one while the Chimperor sits on the throne and Ahnuld is still playing court jester.
Not to sully Mr. Gore’s altruism with cheap politics and despite the reported Gore family assets, I have to imagine Bush wealth, to say nothing of the consequent non-offered assistance from that quarter, far outstrips the resources available to Mr. Gore.
he just said the debit cards were discontinued because people were buying Louis Vuiton luggage...
earlier, cnn (i think) reported it was because not enough functionig atms - s instead, survivors could register online and have a check mailed to them.
where the computers are available and what mailing addresses will be used wasn't explained.
Look, it's really very simple. In the current, situation, we are faced with a choice between a party that does not serve us as well as we might like and one that actually seems to want to destroy us.
That means the choice is between Marshall Petain and Hitler.
In a sick way, I am curious to see if they can turn this around. I'm thinking no, but hey, I didn't think the last election would have been close enough to steal.
thinking of rob the troll as ground up horse hooves is, actually, an appropriate image.
dirk--you don't think they're trying to stiff survivors of the princely sum of $2K now, do you?
Associated Press:
Gore told me he wanted to do this because like all of us he wanted to seize the opportunity to do what one guy can do, given the assets that he has…None of the airlines involved required a contract or any written guarantee of payment before sending their planes and volunteer crews…One official said if Gore promised to pay, that was good enough for them…He [Gore] also recruited two doctors, Spickard and Gore's cousin, retired Col. Dar LaFon, a specialist in internal medicine who once ran the military hospital in Baghdad. Most critically, Gore worked to cut through government red tape, personally calling Gov. Phil Bredesen to get Tennessee's support and U.S. Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta to secure landing rights in New Orleans. About 140 people, many of them sick, landed in Knoxville on Sept. 3. The second flight, with 130 evacuees, landed the next day in Chattanooga.
Drat.
I never got my cinnamon bun.
Look, we can argue all we want about
whether Gore lost on his own or
with help, but the fact is
Nader lied.
He said he was only gonna campaign
in states where Gore would win
easily, and then he did exactly
the opposite.
He's a shithead.
I have to imagine Bush wealth, to say nothing of the consequent non-offered assistance from that quarter, far outstrips the resources available to Mr. Gore.
which leads me to ask yet again - rememebr when Faux News reported (Weds after the hurricane) that George and Laura were going to "send a check" to the Red Cross "later today" so they would "be among the first to donate" [hah!]? anyone ever report that they actually DID? you'd think they'd make it a big PR deal.
Flory--pray we don't have a major one while the Chimperor sits on the throne and Ahnuld is still playing court jester.
Sallyh
Pray we don't have a major one for the next generation or two. Til we've paid down the debt on the Follies of King George and can afford it again.
steve simels - word.
and let's not forget that Ralphie showed up in Florida to stand with Delay and the rabid religious right at Terry Schiavo's bedside.
Fuck Ralph Nader.
He said he was only gonna campaign
in states where Gore would win
easily, and then he did exactly
the opposite.
coming into October, 2000, Gore was polling 8-10 points ahead of Bush.
just saying.
dirk--you don't think they're trying to stiff survivors of the princely sum of $2K now, do you?
Sallyh
i love answering questions with questions - so,
have you ever tried to register online at a government web site?
other than for the freedom walk, that is. the pentagon knows how to sign people up. but fema doesn't.
Thanks for that reminder, Tena. My blood pressure had gotten down into the "normal" range for a moment.
Thanks for that reminder, Tena. My blood pressure had gotten down into the "normal" range for a moment.
RMJ--you have your cinnamon bun right here.
Gotta move fast with this crowd.
Fuck Ralph Nader.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 09.10.05 - 1:05 pm | #
Fuck Geraldine Ferraro.
Just as relevent.
you'd think they'd make it a big PR deal.
dirk gently
Except that the check was for $25 -- and prolly restricted to aid for those who've passed a loyalty test.
and let's not forget that Ralphie showed up in Florida to stand with Delay and
the rabid religious right at Terry Schiavo's bedside.
Tena, I'd forgotten that.
What a putz.
Fuck Ralph Nader.
Tena
Ooh, ick.
Not gonna.
I just don't think we have much to lose by leaving the Democrats.
They're not going to win in 2006 or 2008. They simply won't fight. There's absolutely no sign they will.
Hell, they're not even contesting the New York City's mayoral race.
Except that the check was for $25 -- and prolly restricted to aid for those who've passed a loyalty test.
flory, Business Manager
of course, that's still $5 more than Jeb gave, and HE made a big deal out of it.
Back in an hour....
sheets pipples
meant to say coming into October 2000 in Florida Gore was polling 8-10 points ahead of Bush. no bullshit, a 10 point lead 6 weeks befotre the election. and how does the Gore campaign respoind? they pull their ads from the air, pulltheir most experienced staff out of the state, and pretty much go quite in the African American neighborhoods.
now that's what I call flubbing it. and of course it was all Nader's fault. Gore's media campaign: Nader's fault. Gore's get out the vote failures: Naders fault. Gore's failure to ask for a recount: Nader's fault.
feh!
and let's not forget that Ralphie showed up in Florida to stand with Delay and
the rabid religious right at Terry Schiavo's bedside.
Tena, I'd forgotten that.
What a putz.
steve simels | Email | 09.10.05 - 1:07 pm | #
Nader dies of a heart attack tomorrow and I say "it's time to break with the Democrats".
Are you still going to bring up Nader?
Pray we don't have a major one for the next generation or two.
flory, Business Manager
that's all we need. a major earthquake or terror attack would giuliani-ize ahnuld.
anybody else gag when it was suggested rudy be sent down to new orleans to take charge? uh, hello? the man hates black people. his nickname in ny is "adolph" guiliani.
I'm not saying Nader caused Gore to lose.
I'm saying Nader is completely and wholly untrustworthy.
I'm saying Nader is completely and wholly untrustworthy.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 09.10.05 - 1:14 pm |
So is Geraldine Ferraro. Does this mean we shouldn't support the Democrats in 2008?
NO has a strong system of neighborhood organizations -supporting them as they represent their residents would be something else people could do
The wingnuts are pissed 'cause Gore invented the Internets and the hybrid automobile.
There is a very interesting posting at Unknown News on this subject. It's titled "Rebuilding New Orleans for Big Oil" It sure makes you think.
http://www.unknownnews.org/05090...050909a-
cr.html
It could be the way in to the Gulf Coast for Liquid Gas.
Chris Matthews is Giuliani's cheerleader. I just wish Tweety would be quiet. Bush is not going to put Giuliani there because he would over shadow W.
There are going to be land grabs and corruption and bribery and efforts by the NO elite to keep the poor from returning.
I take that as a prediction...
I'm not so sure about Nader, but unlike Tom Cruise I haven't had time or inclination to find more information about him so I can come to an opinion based on the information that I have. I guess I'm not as passionate about learning and life as Tom.
Nader lining up with the Schindlers was obviously offensive, but I'm not on the bandwagon to demonize and scapegoat him. I don't expect that those who see him as the insidious and wicked Jeff Gilooly who whacked Gore on the knee will ever change their minds.
To use a more mechanical analogy than my Irish Elk upthread: the Democratic Party is like a pickup truck lurching and sputtering down the road in pursuit of the obscene and brutal Hummer that is the Republican Party.
I appreciate that those leaning out of the truck and pleading with others to jump in the back are sincere. But lately the truck seems prone to run off the road and into the ditch, and those not already on board think that it might be Unsafe at Any Speed. And that's not because the devilish Nader cut the brake lines. It's because the driver(s), mechanic(s), and parts suppliers are all thinking "Hummer".
I can't rebut the voices here declaring that it is only by investing money and commitment to upgrading the truck that we will overtake the Hummer; after all, that's a statement of faith. (And the "logical" arguments are premised on faith, albeit implicitly.)
For one thing, it's fairly certain that the improvements in the truck will be along the lines of adding more chrome and bulk to better resemble a Hummer-- for the "practical" reason that voters want to ride in a Hummer, not some American version of a Volvo.
We'll never be quite ready to install a Kucinich, seen as the Wankel engine of candidates, or even a Boxer-- or a Louise Slaughter (to higher office, that is). And if the Little Truck that Could is picked up by the crane and dropped in that car-compressor machine, the last voices will either curse Nader and the people who refused to get on board-- or claim that at least we're still moving.
Final dead-thread mournful observation: Bless the Founding Fathers, but they actually believed in the Enlightenment. Remember, they most sensibly planned and expected that our elegant new rational system of government, founded on principles of fair, free, and open sharing of power, would be free of the demons of party and faction!
Just sent...
Dear Senator Durbin:
I hope that in all the confusion about Hurricane Katrina, you, and your colleague Senator Obama, will speak out forcefully against any "urban renewal" that would prevent New Orleanians from returning to their homes and rebuilding them.
Many, many people are concerned that the Bush administration will use this catastrophe to steal these people's land, pave it over, and resell it to the higher bidder.
Please speak out and make clear to the press and the American people that the original residents will have first right to reclaim and rebuild their homes, at proper cost, without deceitful manipulation on the part of the Bush administration.
Thank you for the great job you do every day.
Nawlins is gonna be a lot whiter and a lot more Rethug when they are finished with it.
Search finds fewer bodies than feared
The first street-by-street sweep of New Orleans revealed far fewer corpses than originally feared, and the city's police chief said today that his force was regaining control despite a shortage of roughly 300 officers.
"We're much more organised at this point," said police chief Eddie Compass. "We have our logistics in order and the patrols are going very well."
Compass said more than 200 people had been arrested in recent days and were being held in a makeshift jail.
Of a force of 1,750, Compass said he is short of about 300 officers, but he has offered no details about where they are or why they are not available for duty.
Am I just dumb or won't homeowners (landowners) be able to reclaim their little plot of land that their house is on?
Won't they claim homeowners and flood insurance, if they had it, to rebuild on their plot of land?
I don't see how automatically everyone forfeits their property.
???
are bloggers really this self important?
erm
Are trolls really this stupid?
Nader's had his 15 minutes.
Won't they claim homeowners and flood insurance, if they had it, to rebuild on their plot of land?
I don't see how automatically everyone forfeits their property.
???
Jason
***
don't quote me, but i envision eminent domain being used. the city will try to declare entire swatches of land as condemned. even the ones not affected by the flood. buy it off the owners for pennies on the dollar. turn around and sell it to developers.
we'll see how corrupt the city council is (or whatever their power structure), or whether they'll stand by the people.
Considering all the toxic crap that is in that water, and that it will wind up being pumped into the lake and the gulf, wind up in the groundwater and the soil, who in their right mind will move back into NOLA? What other municipality will want literally cubic miles of that toxic soil and sludge trucked through their towns much less being the final repository for this stuff? Between the legal, political and NIMBY fights, NOLA is going to be a wasteland for a while.
I don't understand why people thinks it's boring. It's about property, and neighborhoods, and the places people know really well changing, and their legal rights, and their fortunes, and their standing as members of the civis.
People shoot each other over those kinds of things.
I just don't understand how people can think it's boring. But, then, I'm a city planner.
It's not as if Bush's family is inexperienced at the land-grab. Look at Rangers' Stadium.
All the money that should have gone into the preservation project for the wetlands & the levees would have prevented so much of the destruction, but Bush didn't want the public benefit of that.
Those tax cuts & the occupation of Iraq. The public gets to dig their own mass grave. The hurricane made it easier for the administration to scatter the poor to the winds, and the private developers, with their contractors (and the contractors private security forces) are sizing up the take as we speak.
They better not be the only watchdogs. The MULTITUDE are the watchdogs, not the fucking corporate media.
Who are "the New Orleans elite"? Rich people? Educated people? Landowners? Are they white? Creole? The city government is dominated by black politicians educated in elite Catholic schools. The investment district is mainly white. The music and arts are multicultural. The city voted for Kerry, against the state-wide anti-same-sex marriage amendment (actually, religious blacks in NOLA voted for it, but the black and white liberals were in greater numbers).
Who the fuck are these elite? You don't live in my city. You're making shit up. Worry about Halliburton, Shaw Group and Bechtel, not about the frigging Garden District dwellers who love the culture of the city more than they do money and power, or they would have packed their asses up and moved to New York or Houston.
I like this blog for the dedication you have in digging out news that the MSM misses, and for engaging one on one with the crap that's spewed in the rightwing blogs. But watch your kneejerk instincts for babble like "the elite" when you have no fucking clue what makes New Orleans tick. You don't have to take the easy shots, they just make you look stupid.
Bush orgasm audio here
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