I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
brist fush!
Atrios is simply the best with these open thread titles. Superb.
Ooh, more of that Shakespeare guy who invented the fishing pole.
So in Hamlet, the trolls would be part of the "dumb show?"
The ability of a river to carry sediment varies very strongly with its speed. When a river floods over its banks, the water spreads out, slows down, and drops its load of sediment. Over time, the river's banks are built up above the level of the rest of the floodplain. The resulting ridges are called natural levees.
When the river is not in flood state it may deposit material within its channel, raising its level. The combination can raise not just the surface, but even the bottom of the river above the surounding country. Natural levees are especially noted on the Yellow River in China near the sea where oceangoing ships appear to sail high above the plain on the elevated river. Natural levees are also present on the Rio Grande in Colorado's San Luis Valley.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...5/
091005A.shtml
There are mercenaries in New orleans...
Shocked? No
Is it time for Alien Apocalypse yet?
The same basic process occurs in tidal creeks when the incoming tide carries mineral material of all grades up to the limit imposed by the energy of the flow. As the tide overflows the sides of the creek towards high water, the flow rate at the brink slows and larger sediment is deposited, forming the levee. At the height of the tide, the water stands on the salt-marsh or flats and the finer particles slowly settle, forming clay. In the early ebb, the water level in the creek falls leaving the broad expanse of water standing on the marsh at a higher level.
This thread is a play?
The conscience of the king?
He hasn't one.
Atrios is simply the best with these open thread titles. Superb.
Only because he finally gave in to the pressure from his constituents. If he'd had his way, every one would be "Enjoy." Lazy bastard.
The area of water on the marsh is much greater than the water surface of the creek so that in the latter, the flow rate is much greater. It is this rush of water, perhaps an hour after high water, which keeps the creek channel open. The cross-sectional area of the water body in the creek is small compared with that initially over the levee which at this stage is acting as a weir. The deposited sediment (coarse on the levee and fine on the mud flats or salt-marsh) therefore tends to stay put so that, tide by tide, the marsh and levee grow higher until they are of such a height that few tides overflow them. In an active system, the levee is always higher than the marsh. That is how it came to be called "une rive levée" or raised shore
Is it time for Alien Apocalypse yet?
Is it ever not that time?
Me, I'm gonna finish watching Season Three of "Six Feet Under." Nate has become such an asshole.
And, lemme just say, I luv Keith.
Hecate, should you arrive, I've dispatched you my Bunny decoy in the mail. I was also able today to buy several Pennisetum alopecuroides 'Little Bunny' dwarf fountain grass which you might like. That way the bunnies would have a nice place to hide.
NTodd, not enjoy.
Have fun.
If it's a play , I get to play the guy who smokes and gets the girl after beating the snot out of some repugs who don't understand the lady doesn't want to dance .
k?
Our king has no conscience. Would that Bush had the moral compass and personal integrity of Claudius.
I was going to say 2003 UB313 instead of Quaoar. Looks like I'm going to have to wait.
The thread 's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king!
Fuck the lameducking in his ear!
Bush had his conscience remove at birth.
Would that Bush had the moral compass and personal integrity of Claudius.
Or Caligula.
Or Nero.
Or Ghengis Kahn.
Or Hitl...
holy hell, msnbc just reported about the status of prisoners and how everything -- case info, witnesses, lawyers, docs -- are gone. but the nightmare is -- think about the guy arrested for drunk driving on friday night and has now been shipped to angola prison (!!) or prisons across the country, while all of this is sorted out.
You forgot the sledded Polacks!
monica_nyc
Keith is in a new show called Reunion, I haven't seen it yet though.
BTW do yourself a favor and skip season 4.
Who will investigate George W. Bush on Katrina?
Why, of course, George W. Bush.
See http://dearkitty.modblog.com/cor...&
blog_id=735874
BTW do yourself a favor and skip season 4.
Can't do it. Now that I've taken the leap under, I gotta stick with it til the bitter end.
Keith is in a new show called Reunion, I haven't seen it yet though.
Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for it.
The conscience of the king?
He hasn't one.
Word. I bet he really does sleep well at night. Nobody in his entire family even knows how to fake it. Ditto for Cheney. He looked bored out of his skull touring hurricane damage.
Is it time for Alien Apocalypse yet?
10 minutes and counting.
You might want to tune in to MSNBC in a couple of minutes. Abrams is supposed to interview the Gretna sheriff. A couple alleged a few minutes ago that after the Gretna police (or whoever they were) prevented those people from crossing the bridge, the Gretna sheriff showed up and took their supplies at gunpoint.
Abrams was making sure he had ALL these charges straight. He looked like he's prepared to rip this sheriff a new asshole. (Yes, that's redundant.)
NTodd--do you have problems with people being lazy bastards? 
My query from the last thread...
Ship
High
In
Transit
Whodathunk?
Anyone know whether FEMA Deputy Director Patrick Rhode is the son of DoD vampire Harold Rhode?... about whom Juan Cole wrote on 9/1/2004:
"The classic expose of Pentagon operator Harold Rhode was written by Bob Dreyfuss and Jason Vest last January, and aptly entitled "The Lie Factory." It has long been known that Rhode has a close relationship with former School of Oriental and African Studies and Princeton historian Bernard Lewis. I received a tip from someone who knew the story of how Rhode, a Middle East expert, became ensconced in the Pentagon. She writes:
' Harold Rhode was completing his PhD [in the 1970s] at Columbia University . . . Although his PhD adviser was Tibor Halasi-Kun, Harold regularly visited Bernard Lewis at Princeton. He considered Lewis his real mentor. Later, [I was told by someone in the know that] that Lewis helped him get a job in Richard Perle's office at the Pentagon. The rest is history....
Some writers are asking about what the connections are between various individuals and groups in the Iraq/Iran/Israel/etc. mess. Were there ever to be a serious investigation of the Israeli infiltration of the Pentagon (unlikely, of course), one would certainly have to examine Bernard Lewis's role here.
Even though Edward Said raised the issue 25 years ago, in view of recent events, it seems high time that a scholarly society promote a frank and more balanced discussion of the political agenda driving Lewis's scholarship as well as his advice to leaders as a supposed senior scholar on the Islamic world. (On the other hand, I am not aware of any reputable treatment of his non-academic side; a Google search only reveals some rather unsavory publications that question his non-academic affiliations.) '
"Rhode participated in the meetings in Europe with the proto-fascist Italian military intelligence organization, SISMI, and the rightwing Italian Defense Minister, along with fraudster Manuchehr Ghorbanifar, at which suspected spy Lawrence Franklin also was present."
Here's Reunion, it's on Fox
http://www.fox.com/reunion/bios/
Hi, GWPDA!
A freind today was suggesting a fake owl in the garden to scare the bunny. In another few weeks, I'm going to harvest everything and mulch it for the winter anyway.
I feel compelled to alert you all to the fact that there is a major sale on horror DVDs from Anchor Bay (home of all the Evil Dead films) over at DeepDiscountDVD. You can preorder tonight's special, Man With The Screaming Brain for under $10. (They also have a buttload of decent titles that are all under $10 and buy 2 get one free. I'm picking up both Kiss Me Deadly and Sid and Nancy.)
Meanwhile, please enjoy this most useful suggestion for what to do with Big Dick Cheney.
What shall I bake for Alien Apocalypse and the Man with the Screaming Brain?
What shall I bake for Alien Apocalypse and the Man with the Screaming Brain?
Anything, and lots of it!
Could you get in trouble for walking into office buildings wearing a hazmat suit and telling folks, 'Please remain calm' ???
watching cnn. shrimper paddling around in small boat with a flag draped about his neck, surveying the damage. muttering to him self "the govt. agh, fema agh, bush ack, and to think i voted for the stupid bastard, shows you how smart i am."
charley
i bring to this thread just because i hate being left behind, and it was the best min. of tv. i've seen in awhile.
What shall I bake for Alien Apocalypse and the Man with the Screaming Brain?
Zombie muffins?
yeah, bkny, it's a legal dead zone there. my other half was dealing with patient in San Antonio the other day who was a parolee and had some kind of hearing scheduled in a NO court this week. They couldn't contact his parole officer or the judge, though they finally got him some loca legal aid and counseling to help establish due diligence, I think.
But in addition to being ill and separated from his family, the man was worried he was in danger of being declared an interstate fugitive.
Dan Abrams is presenting a good case.
I guess people wanted to pretend that all was well.
Katrina has delivered the smackdown.
res is right.
Katrina has changed everything.
Mike--not on Halloween.
Bush's conscience is a misnomer, make that sans-science.
"Could you get in trouble for walking into office buildings wearing a hazmat suit and telling folks, 'Please remain calm' ???"
Probobly, but in the right circumstances, fundie org, or such, it's a pretty funny concept for "human engineering".
Annoy a conservative - Love your fellow Americans
Ship
High
In
Transit
Lovely story, but false.
Monica--would those contain chocolate?
Do y'all know that RICH people are staying their ground, guarding their mansions?
Anywho, we all know who lacks the milk of human kindness.
What do you do when you think there might be no hope left anymore? Can anyone offer some to me? So much of my famil thinks George Bush is just fine. I feel like the underpinnings of my life are all gone.
"Could you get in trouble for walking into office buildings wearing a hazmat suit and telling folks, 'Please remain calm' ???"
In New York, yeah, I guess so ... maybe.
A friend today was suggesting a fake owl in the garden to scare the bunny. In another few weeks, I'm going to harvest everything and mulch it for the winter anyway.
I think you'll find that Bunny Decoy will be much more efficient. But I've spent the last three days clearing the melon patch and tomorrow start work on the beds - planting beans and such next week. Finally pulled out the feral tomatoes, after three years tho. Got a swell new location for lettuce, herbs, tomatoes, onions and peppers too, and the asparagus when it arrives in October. It was only 71F this morning - fall's here!
As this crazy sad summer winds down into uncertain autumn, things are stirring. I hear them when I awaken in the night and feel my wife's body moving rhythmically as she breathes in her sleep. I feel them crawling on my skin like ants. I smell them in the still-humid breezes off of Lake Michigan.
Iraq festers. New Orleans drowns. The press seems to wake up from its long dream. Voices, angry, regretful voices, begin to be heard.
What are they planning, to recover? To cement their power once and for ever? It worked so well for them on a September day not so long ago. Is it time for another blow to land, another shoe to drop?
I wake up a lot, nervous.
Would you get arrested for having a bumper sticker that said 'So Many Targets, So Few Nukes' ???
extremely distressed--hang out here and you'll find you're far from alone. You'll find those who share your knowledge, and some good recipes and bad movies to boot.
would those contain chocolate?
Well, yeah. Brains are made outta chocolate, aren't they?
Maybe 'So Few Home-Made Nukes' would be better
So much of my famil thinks George Bush is just fine. I feel like the underpinnings of my life are all gone.
Disown the entire family. You'll feel better.
52... cards in a deck!
Mike--no, but my daughter had her car trashed for having an anti-Bush sticker on it.
You know, since CNN challenged and won the ability to photograph dead bodies, all the wingnuts can do is boo hoo hoo about "preserving the dignity of the dead."
Too bad Dear Leader caused a whole lot of death from lack of action on his part. Would have been nice if he gave a shit about the dignity of those folks while they were alive.
Monica--well, brains need glucose to survive. Chocolate contains sucrose which can be converted to glucose...that works.
You know things are getting bad when The Onion's reporting is more accurate than most of the MSM's. Check out this week's edition at www.theonion.com
Some highlights: "Officials Uncertain Whether to Save or Shoot Victims," "Government Workers Mosey In to Help," and "White Foragers Report Threat of Black Looters."
GWPDA,
71, it was in the 80's here in SW Ohio. That's just wrong.
So, how are the pomengranates coming?
Bush had his conscience remove at birth.
Moonbootica
The family had conscience and empathy bred out of them many generations back.
What do you do when you think there might be no hope left anymore? Can anyone offer some to me? So much of my famil thinks George Bush is just fine. I feel like the underpinnings of my life are all gone.
Congratulations: You've taken the first step, hanging out at lefty blogs. No kidding, it'll help preserve your sanity.
I'm surrounded by almost all liberals, work and family, and I STILL need this.
Someone stole my Impeach Bush bumper stick a few weeks ago - I had to assume they needed it more than I. Anyway, it'd been on since November 2000 and was awfully faded. My new one is very bright and shiny.
What do you do when you think there might be no hope left anymore? ... I feel like the underpinnings of my life are all gone.
Well, I read when I feel that way, and I listen to music that has particular personal significance.
And I speak with the three people on the planet whom I know can understand.
Grab something that has meaning to you personally, and hold on tight.
If that doesn't work, challenge yourself to undertake something new and difficult. When I'm depressed, my brain needs to have an argument with something new.
Speaking of bad movies, 'Alien Apocalypse' now!
Does anyone else sing while using olive oil?
Extra Virgin...
Cold-pressed for the very first time!!!
Extra Vir-ir-ir-irgin
Pure and Natural
100 %
Eli--2 hot science babes?
So--we are paying for mercenaries to go against the American people? Everyday for five years I have heard yet a new atrocity against the people. This is really horrifying. They have treated those poor NO people like criminals. If we were there it would be the same for us.
"We're all gonna die!"
71, it was in the 80's here in SW Ohio. That's just wrong.
So, how are the pomengranates coming?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
We do these things very abruptly - one minute it's 116 and the next thing it's 110 and off you go. Still 71 at 6am was awfully refreshing after it being 90 and 91 at that time of the day.
The pomegranates are turning red. When they're absolutely and completely Elizabeth Arden Red they will be ready - about a month is all I can guess.
hoy blogkins
im making dinner, rice crust pizza with basil, freshh mozzerella, tomato, mushrooms, onions, olives, iced green tea
&
the laura flanders show!
"White Foragers Report Threat of Black Looters."
katie | 09.10.05 - 7:05 pm | #
That's a classic. Go read it, it's a hoot
my daughter had her car trashed for having an anti-Bush sticker on it.
How is your daughter, Sallyh?
well, brains need glucose to survive. Chocolate contains sucrose which can be converted to glucose...that works.
Ta da! Science saves the day again.
So much of my famil thinks George Bush is just fine. I feel like the underpinnings of my life are all gone.
Not if they watch more than Faux.
Watch Faux start to turn, btw.
Rabbits in the cabbage patch
Gardeners have also reported success sprinkling vinegar, hot pepper flakes and liquid chile sprays on and around plants. One method is to soak corn cobs in vinegar for five minutes and then place them throughout the garden. The corn cobs should be resoaked in vinegar after two weeks. I have tried just sprinkling vinegar around the bean plants but without much success.
Red pepper, like Oleo capsicum (postmen carry it for dogs, it's called Halt) is very good and controls aphids and other pests, too. You may not need it that strong and be cautious working with it. It's natural.
As the threat of forced evictions now looms in New Orleans and the city confiscates even legally registered weapons from civilians, the private mercenaries of Blackwater patrol the streets openly wielding M-16s and other assault weapons. This despite Police Commissioner Eddie Compass' claim that "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons."
Officially, Blackwater says it forces are in New Orleans to "join the Hurricane Relief Effort."
OMG. WTF is the purpose of this?
Monica--seems to be happy and doing all right. Plans to take the bus and get a job.
What do you do when you think there might be no hope left anymore? Can anyone offer some to me? So much of my famil thinks George Bush is just fine. I feel like the underpinnings of my life are all gone.
extremely distressed-- 7:02 pm
you've come to a place where the symptoms you describe are pretty commonplace...
most everyone here has experienced the feelings you are having, either intermittently or permanently...
it is well known that i, for example, believe the country is lost, forever, irredeemably and irremediably, to fascism, american style; and that the people now running things are in fact not stupid incompetehts, but dangerous agents of the corporate/fascist oligarchy who are acting as they do in order to destroy the faith of the people in the democratic form of government...
solutions?
1) get, and stay, drunk
or
2) get, and stay, stoned
or
3) find, and follow, your joy
and
4) post here frequently to at least vent the enormous frustrations involved in watching the destruction of the country you love...
good luck
get a dog/cat
Officially, Blackwater says it forces are in New Orleans to "join the Hurricane Relief Effort."
By force?
"Natural levees are also present on the Rio Grande in Colorado's San Luis Valley"
The way I heard it, the folks that seem to think they needed the floating boat casinos had to destroy these sand dunes in order to be there. This didn't help.
That's good to hear, Sallyh.
Finally pulled out the feral tomatoes, after three years tho.
I hope you saved them for the feral burros.
Monica--I just hope she knows what she's doing.
Eli--2 hot science babes?
For the moment.
Are we liveblogging? I paused it and went to get a snack...
OMG. WTF is the purpose of this?
bigvic -7:10 pm
practicing for the inevitable imposition of martial law after then next terra attack???
Luke, calm down. Yes, mercenaries are a bad idea. Hopefully, they're being watched better than they are in Iraq.
I'm sick and tired of hearing fear.
Eli--we're live, dude.
I hope so too, Sallyh.
It is frightening to watch a loved one constantly walk a razor's edge.
Eli--looks as if we lost Whiny Science Babe fast.
I'm sick and tired of hearing fear.
I see no harm in people expressing their -- very legitimate -- fears.
Monica--she's sober, which is good. My only worry is her education. She's taking one class right now (literature), but I would hope eventually she'd finish out her studies.
The pomegranates are turning red. When they're absolutely and completely Elizabeth Arden Red they will be ready - about a month is all I can guess.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Odd. We had pomegranates at the farmers market today. Wonder where they came from if they're not ripe in Phoenix yet?
Monica--quite honestly, Monsieur seems relieved to have her out of the house.
Researchers develop `virgin conception`
DUBLIN, Ireland (UPI) -- Scottish researchers have developed a 'virgin conception' -- made not by a fertilized egg but from an egg that had been tricked into dividing.
Dr. Paul de Sousa of Edinburgh University told the British Association meeting in Dublin, Ireland, it took around 300 human eggs to create half a dozen blastocysts -- human embryos that consist of around 50 cells, the Daily Telegraph reported Saturday.
They can be used as a source of stem cells that can be grown into all 200 or so types in the body and used for a vast range of treatments.
Attempts to grow stem cells from the blastocysts have not yet succeeded, as they have in non-human primates, but De Sousa said he was confident it was only a matter of time.
"What do you do when you think there might be no hope left anymore? ... I feel like the underpinnings of my life are all gone."
How familiar that sounds. I walk around with such sadness but I am damned if they are going to scare me plumb to death and I am going to keep truckin'.
practicing for the inevitable imposition of martial law after then next terra attack???
What city are you gonna pick, woody?
You realize, of course, that you are just as guilty of fear-mongering.
Fake blood! Cool!
watching cnn. shrimper paddling around in small boat with a flag draped about his neck, surveying the damage. muttering to him self "the govt. agh, fema agh, bush ack, and to think i voted for the stupid bastard, shows you how smart i am."
Dang. I wish I'd seen that. I think the scales are falling from all but the insane Bu$h supporters.
Researchers develop `virgin conception`
Hilarious.
Sallyh, I can understand that relief. As for her being sober, that is great! Maybe she will take time away from school before completing her studies. As I'm sure you know, that's something, like being sober, that she really has to want for herself.
Do you feel any sense of relief?
did Dan Abrams forget to take his razor to NOLA? Eehhhuuww.
he look downright haggard -- perhaps he's contracted some gastrointestinal distress from the toxic soup?
Monica--comes and goes.
I see no harm in people expressing their -- very legitimate -- fears.
Fear weakens you.
Fear weakens you.
to WoodyGuthriesGrrls' sage solutions, I would add:
if possible, given your geographical location, try to find a way to plug into the volunteer effort to help those displaced by Katrina. There are lots of ways to help others, no matter where you are- you can even donate minutes from your cell plan. If you don't live in an are where evacuees are being sheltered, think about adopting one of the hundreds of pets needing homes that have been taken out of the city.
I know I sound like a cheerleader but so be it. I happen to live in an area where I've been able to volunteer and I feel blessed to have the opportunity to step into the breach left by the inaction of our government.
flory, that article on the soldier with CJD was unsettling. So young, and yet with 'normal' CJD. My mom died of CJD, and we'll never know how/where she got it. I feel for that soldier's family, and the shitty way his senior officers handled it.
Well, I wish you and yours only the best, Sallyh.
Fear weakens you.
Legitimate fear is a fundamental part of life.
did Dan Abrams forget to take his razor to NOLA?
Was wondering that. It can't be impossible for him to shave there. It looks kind of ridiculous; he hasn't been stranded there since Katrina hit, but there's the stubble, dark circles under the eyes, etc.
Gretna police chief on now. Is that the same as the sheriff???
Legitimate fear is a fundamental part of life.
Let's not call it fear.
I'm sorry. I'm not afraid.
Appalled. Deeply concerned. Disgusted.
Not fearful. Not at all.
It's the wrong reaction.
"What do you do when you think there might be no hope left anymore?"
I watch movies... The Legend of Bagger Vance (yes you can..) Field of Dreams, things like that. Things that make me feel hopeful, like Rocky III, which i KNOW is a bag of shit, but is about coming back froma big loss. It inspires me.
Nothing inspires me like one scene in Disney's The Three Musketeers, believe it or not.
It's the scene where they are charging the palace, and Count Richelieu tells his guards to "kill those Musketeers!" They draw swords, and it looks like a 3 on 100 battle is going to start. Out heroes look worried. Then out of the crowd comes this bunch of people. They throw off their tunics, and BOOM - it's Musketeers 100, Cardinals Guards 100. Our heroes smile.
Corny? Yeah. But it makes me feel hopeful that one day, I will look behind me and there will be the Musketeers, and then we can go do this thing.
they're not there yet, but I am.
Okay, so that asshole showed up on Abrams.
You realize, of course, that you are just as guilty of fear-mongering.
pie -- 7:18 pm
well, i got no fish to monger, got no whores to monger, either...
so i guess it's fear-mongering for me...til something profitable comes along...
I'm sick and tired of hearing fear.
I am too. I've had it with having it shoved down my throat for the last 4+ years by Bu$hCo. I choose to fight the fucking system and I and others who do will win. Just a matter of time.
Nice dye job, sheriff.
so i guess it's fear-mongering for me
How long have you been in this line of work, anyway?
Death Administration.
Gretna police chief: "We were not prepared to accept evacuees."
Oh, this police chief is full of shit. "Evacuees wouldn't have been better off. We kept them out of Gretna to protect THEM."
He calls the MRE and water theft "ludicrous, mistaken identity." "I was not on top of the bridge, I didn't take anything." "We will look into it."
Says it was STILL not a mistake to keep evacuees out of Gretna. Because Gretna's levee might have broken.
Saw this at randy andy's site:
"Some holdouts seem intent on keeping alive the distinct and wild spirit of this city. In the French Quarter, Addie Hall and Zackery Bowen found a unusual way to make sure that police officers regularly patrolled their house. Ms. Hall, 28, a bartender, flashed her breasts at the police vehicles that passed by, ensuring a regular flow of traffic."
(from a NYT's link)
Nice dye job, sheriff.
pie
New thread on this very topic
Serious question here: Bush admin issued three declarations of emergency, one each for LA, MS, GA. But the LA one names the counties for FEMA control, and those countries are all the NON-critical ones from Blanco's request letter.
The ones likely to be hardest hit, and that WERE hardest hit, were left off the list.
Does anyone know why?
Whoops, I meant Louisiana, Mississippi, and ALABAMA (not GA).
Here's what ORACLE said elsewhere:
"Gov. Blanco's pre-Katrina letter divided Louisiana's 64 parishes into three categories: 1) Major damage; 14 coastal, Mississippi Delta parishes, 2) Significant damage; 17 further inland parishes, and 3) Minimal damage, evacuation parishes; 33 northern parishes.
So from where did the White House letter composer get these 39 Louisiana parishes that were listed and placed under FEMA control? The 33 "minimal damage" parishes were added to 6 "significant damage" parishes, while 11 "significant damage" parishes and the 14 "major damage" parishes just disappeared.
Do you see? Someone cherry-picked 6 parishes out of the mid-range category. The 39, non-"major damage," parishes listed in the President's official directive, therefore, were placed there intentionally. Deliberately.
Just as all the Alabama and Mississippi "major damage" counties were intentionally, deliberately, listed in those official directives from the White House covering Alabama and Mississippi days before Katrina hit.
So, who in the White House was behind the diversion of FEMA's disaster efforts from Louisiana's hardest hit parishes to those parishes under the least threat from Katrina?"
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I'd really like to know if this is mentioned in any of the timelines. It looks very important.
How long have you been in this line of work, anyway?
pie -- 7:29 pm
when the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro...
i turned pro in early 1999, when i realized the Chimp was gonna be the next prezanit...
Making more money from the dead?
NEW YORK - Holding up pictures of their loved ones and signs that read "Preserve Sacred Ground," more than 500 relatives of Sept. 11 victims rallied at the World Trade Center site Saturday against a proposed museum.
Family members worry the International Freedom Center will take attention away from those who died in the attack. They said the museum should not be allowed to show exhibits about struggles for freedom around the world.
"These are important stories to tell," said Jack Lynch, whose firefighter son Michael Lynch is one of the 2,749 people who died at the trade center. "Elsewhere, not at America's memorial."
The rally by more than a dozen family groups came a day before the fourth anniversary of the terrorist attacks. A bouquet of white flowers and several single, red roses were tucked into the metal fence surrounding the site, while huge American flags hung outside nearby office buildings.
"The IFC threatens to turn ground zero into a place of endless controversy rather than a place of honor," said Anthony Gardner, whose brother Harvey died at the trade center.
The Freedom Center and another museum, the Drawing Center, were chosen more than a year ago to occupy cultural space at the site in a building close to the planned "Reflecting Absence" memorial.
But rebuilding officials said last month that the Drawing Center would look elsewhere for a home and that the Freedom Center would have to submit more detailed plans and respond to family objections to ensure its place at the site. A mediator has recently been recruited to help museum officials and the families communicate.
"We respect those family members who believe that the World Trade Center site should be limited to the memorial and memorial center museum, even as we and other family members believe that a living memorial, reflecting our common resolve to preserve freedom, should also have a place on this sacred ground," Freedom Center chairman Tom Bernstein and vice chair Paula Berry _ who lost her husband on Sept. 11 _ said in a statement Saturday.
On Sunday, the city planned to observe moments of silence Sunday at 8:46 a.m. and 9:03 a.m. to mark the times that each hijacked jetliner struck the twin towers, and at 9:59 a.m. and 10:29 a.m., for the times each tower collapsed.
More than 600 family members who lost brothers or sisters will read the victims' names at the site, while Gov. George E. Pataki, Mayor Michael Bloomberg, former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice all planned commemorative readings.
So in Hamlet, the trolls would be part of the "dumb show?"
Jay C.
Let freeDUMB ring!
The ones likely to be hardest hit, and that WERE hardest hit, were left off the list.
Does anyone know why?
tubino
Er, cuz the people living there were non-white and poor?
Odd. We had pomegranates at the farmers market today. Wonder where they came from if they're not ripe in Phoenix yet?
flory, Business Manager
Either Fresno or Persia. Well, that's not quite true, necessarily. We had a stupendously, stupendously wet winter - everybody got rather a late start. Everything here ripened between two and four weeks past normal. I only picked the almonds last week, and usually those would be done at the end of July.
Atrios is simply the best with these open thread titles. Superb.
Thresholder |
The trolls won't get them though.
You'd have to quote something from American Idol or one of Chimpy's catchphrases for them.
City Market in Gunnison had pomegranates when I was there on Tuesday.
We are fast approaching a produce point where there are no more seasons.
Alas, nothing to look forward to.
Is anyone else besides me sick of the phrase on the ground? You know, troops on the ground in Iraq, or reporters on the ground in New Orleans. I mean, unless they're leaping into the air, or upstairs or something, isn't on the ground just three extra words that have no real meaning? Troops in Iraq; reporters in New Orleans. See?
First Runner Up: At the end of the day, blah blah blah. Which day? Last Tuesday? Whatever happened to when all is said and done, or even ultimately?
OK, I'm nitpicking. I annoy easily. So sue me.
I'm sick and tired of hearing fear.
I'm sick and tired of fearing fear.
Pat Robertson has been photographed taking money from David Dukes - go here for the proof.
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