Wait till rescuers gets to the buses and discovers them all full of drowned people. All holding cards that say, "FEMA bus. You are safe here. Do not leave bus."
spinoza |
09.17.05 - 4:12 pm | #
Prior Aelred: This is as close to first as I am going to get on dialup (SIGH!)
It's not the Frist, but the fight that counts!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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09.17.05 - 4:14 pm | #
(Okay, not the right one, but it's a start.)
jules |
09.17.05 - 4:14 pm | #
Say, we're FINALLY getting around to biofuels on the thread below
Prior Aelred |
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09.17.05 - 4:15 pm | #
I come to bury Atrios, not to praise him. But Gordo says he was ambitious, and Gordo is an honorable man...
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 4:15 pm | #
Joke for the day:
What's Bush's position on Rove v. Wade?.....
Answer: He doesn't really care how people get out of New Orleans.
lunascorp |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:15 pm | #
I was sorry for the man with no
shoes, until I met a man who had
no feet.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 4:16 pm | #
I've been thinking about Bush's hard-on for using federal troops for domestic disaster response, and I've concluded he wants to stand the military on its head - use the Guard and Reserve to fight their illegal war, while using combat-trained troops to 'restore order.'
That's pretty fucked up right there, dude.
stranger |
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09.17.05 - 4:17 pm | #
Prior - yeah, me too. This dialup just sucks. A week from tomorrow, I'm back on Comcast and that's one thing I am really looking forward to.
That and my house in Dallas always seems like a damn mansion when I'm first home because this place is so small. The house in Dallas is not very big - just two bedrooms. But it's very open, and that makes a big difference.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 4:17 pm | #
President Bush's push to give the military a bigger role in responding to major disasters like Hurricane Katrina could lead to a loosening of legal limits on the use of federal troops on U.S. soil.
Pentagon officials are reviewing that possibility, and some in Congress agree it needs to be considered.
[...]
At question, however, is how far to push the military role, which by law may not include actions that can be defined as law enforcement _ stopping traffic, searching people, seizing property or making arrests. That prohibition is spelled out in the Posse Comitatus Act of enacted after the Civil War mainly to prevent federal troops from supervising elections in former Confederate states.
Speaking on the Senate floor Thursday, Sen. John Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said, "I believe the time has come that we reflect on the Posse Comitatus Act." He advocated giving the president and the secretary of defense "correct standby authorities" to manage disasters.
spork - that's why when he said that the other night, I pretty much finished up the live blogging with Athenae - with "we're fucked." I knew what he meant, and it scares the fuck out of me.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 4:19 pm | #
spork_incident: I got a diginal camara.
Where can ya find a good abordiginal camera?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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09.17.05 - 4:20 pm | #
"One of these days the people of Louisiana are going to get good government - and they aren't going to like it." - Huey Long
Gumbo |
09.17.05 - 4:20 pm | #
Spork,
That's what I'm talkin' about.
They want to gut Posse Comitatus, so Bush can use the military in this country. For whatever.
Every one of our Libertarian friends ahould be running around with their hair on fire right now.
stranger |
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09.17.05 - 4:20 pm | #
Hey Jeffraham --
You really got an inside slot on a job as a WalMart greeter? That's likely to be a plumb position in Bush's economy!
Prior Aelred |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:20 pm | #
I don't fucking recognize this
country anymore.
And it's gonna get worse.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 4:20 pm | #
spork_incident,
Just preparing the legal frame work for the '06 National Elections Emergency Declaration.
bo |
09.17.05 - 4:20 pm | #
This is as close to first as I am going to get on dialup (SIGH!)
Prior Aelred
You'll need to come up with a a reason the Community will find it vital to have DSL. Hey, I know! You can do a Rovian style campaign and keep repeating "DSL is vital to our security."
bigvic |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:21 pm | #
biodiesel. Old hat,
the cool kids use Troll-Diesel.
Render unto Caesar what is Ceasar's, Render Trolls into diesel.
40 miles/per-troll.
doug |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:21 pm | #
Render unto Caesar what is Ceasar's, Render Trolls into diesel.
40 miles/per-troll.
And there's a virtually limitless supply.
Peak Troll is decades away yet.
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:22 pm | #
The black-helicopter crowd used to talk, and I didn't pay much attention, about how FEMA was really the agency to watch -- how it has the ability to take over everything in a declared emergency.
Haven't read anything, have no links, but some people I've talked to have encountered the idea that this massive FEMA fuck-up is part of a plot to have Joe Sixpack approve of beefing up FEMA for when the overlords are ready to take over.
Offered with no comment...
Silleigh |
09.17.05 - 4:22 pm | #
Just a reminder --
C-Span2 is running the Galloway-
Hitchens cage match tonight at
9pm eastern and again tomorrow
at noon.
I downloaded SLAX (it seems to be popular) and burned it to disc earlier today, now I'm waiting for a friend to come over later to fool around with it.
Central Scrutinizer |
09.17.05 - 4:23 pm | #
stranger, this Libertarian's hair has been on fire for a few years now.
Unfortunately, the neocons have co-opted the "libertarian" tag. If the neocons are so proud of their program (or pogrom?), you'd think they would would call it by it's own name.
Bruce |
09.17.05 - 4:23 pm | #
Jeffraham asks:
Where can ya find a good abordiginal camera?
Nikonaustralia. You can find Canongaroos there as well.
My house seems like a dry mansion. That makes a difference too.
Damn I feel sorry for those people. Three more years of Bush, too. I gotta get me another cup of coffee.
So when this Bush gets done are we gonna get Preznit Jeb, who used to take BB's in the ass for his big brother George? And after that are we gonna get Jebbie "not an alcoholic, they go to meetings" Junior for Preznit after that?
Maybe if actually have elections we can get some responsible people in the White House.
shrimplate |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:24 pm | #
You'll need to come up with a a reason the Community will find it vital to have DSL
Prior A - Couldn't you let it be known that "dial up is for Jesuits and Franciscans?".
spinoza |
09.17.05 - 4:24 pm | #
Haven't read anything, have no links, but some people I've talked to have
encountered the idea that this massive FEMA fuck-up is part of a plot to have
Joe Sixpack approve of beefing up FEMA for when the overlords are ready to
take over.
Wasn't that the plot of the X-Files
movie?
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 4:24 pm | #
Nikonaustralia. You can find Canongaroos there as well.
What about the capitol, Camberra?
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:24 pm | #
Oh no -- another pun run!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:24 pm | #
Central Scrutinizer
here again. Slax is also OK.
Try this link and burn a disk while you wait for your friend. Try running it as a live disk and see if you like this. http://kanotix.com/info/index.php
doug |
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09.17.05 - 4:25 pm | #
stranger sez:
Every one of our Libertarian friends ahould be running around with their hair on fire right now.
Oddly enough, when push comes to shove many, if not most, Libertarians end up standing with the rethugs regardless of how intrusive party policies are.
Which is why I rarely take Libertarians seriously.
Thanks again! I'll give it a try.
Central Scrutinizer |
09.17.05 - 4:26 pm | #
C-Span2 is running the Galloway-
Hitchens cage match tonight
Thanks for the reminder, Steve. I missed it the last time. I love seeing Hitch take a righteous pounding.
bigvic |
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09.17.05 - 4:27 pm | #
"This is as close to first as I am going to get on dialup (SIGH!)
Prior Aelred
You'll need to come up with a a reason the Community will find it vital to have DSL."
yeah...you need cable because with dialup yer probably missing many important emergency calls to the priory....
jdw |
09.17.05 - 4:27 pm | #
spork_incident: Which is why I rarely take Libertarians seriously.
And Libermantarians even less so...?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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09.17.05 - 4:27 pm | #
This nation has seldom lived up to its ideals (small pox infested blankets, anyone? -- betrayal of the freedman -- exploitation of immigrant labor -- systemic racism, etc,, etc.) -- don't give up hope -- the Republicans ran the nation from the Civil War (the last one thy won -- except the South seems to have made a comeback -- of course, they are Republicans now) until the Great Depression (the logical outcome of Republican policies) -- but the country survived -- there were always pockets of pregressivism -- don't give up hope -- the Republicans will eventually cause such a gigantic catastrophe that even the American people will notice!
Prior Aelred |
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09.17.05 - 4:28 pm | #
yeah...you need cable because with dialup yer probably missing many important emergency calls to the priory....
Not entirely a joke. The Prior does answer questions in a timely manner, without being snide or condensending.
Important to some.
doug |
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09.17.05 - 4:28 pm | #
Which is why I rarely take Libertarians seriously.
I'm sure our pal Toby considers
himself a libertarian.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 4:28 pm | #
My, my, my our boy Karl has been busy. Glad he has his priorities in order.
AUSTIN – White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove personally called the Texas secretary of state about a newspaper story quoting a staff lawyer about whether Mr. Rove was eligible to vote in the state.
The lawyer was subsequently fired.
Secretary of State Roger Williams said that he decided to dismiss the lawyer after talking with Mr. Rove but that the White House adviser didn't request that he do so.
"Absolutely not," said Mr. Williams, a longtime supporter of President Bush and a major GOP fundraiser.
...
Mr. Williams, a Weatherford car dealer, raised at least $100,000 for George W. Bush's 2000 presidential campaign and in 2004 was among the elite tier of Bush Rangers, who each raised at least $200,000 for the president's re-election.
As far back as eight years ago, Congress ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to develop a plan for evacuating New Orleans during a massive hurricane, but the money instead went to studying the causeway bridge that spans the city's Lake Pontchartrain, officials say.
The outcome provides one more example of the government's failure to prepare for a massive but foreseeable catastrophe, said the lawmaker who helped secure the money for FEMA to develop the evacuation plan.
"They never used it for the intended purpose," said former Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-La. "The whole intent was to give them resources so they could plan an evacuation of New Orleans that anticipated that a very large number of people would never leave."
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 4:28 pm | #
What about the capitol, Camberra?
I second that emu-lsion.
spork_incident
I vote negative.
bo |
09.17.05 - 4:31 pm | #
New York Times' ombudsmen calls Gail Collins to task for allowing Paul Krugman to get away with more lies:
An Op-Ed columnist for The New York Times who makes an error "is expected to promptly correct it in the column." That's the established policy of Gail Collins, editor of the editorial page. Her written policy encourages "a uniform approach, with the correction made at the bottom of the piece."
Two weeks have passed since my previous post spelled out the errors made by columnist Paul Krugman in writing about news media recounts of the 2000 Florida vote for president. Mr. Krugman still hasn't been required to comply with the policy by publishing a formal correction. Ms. Collins hasn't offered any explanation.
As a result, readers of nytimes.com who simply search for "Krugman" won't find any indication that there are uncorrected errors in the columns the query turns up. Nor will those who access Mr. Krugman's columns in an electronic database such as Nexis or Factiva. Corrections would have been appended in all those places if Mr. Krugman had complied with Ms. Collins' policy and corrected the errors in his column in the print version of The Times. (Essentially, to become part of the official archive of The Times, material has to have been published in the print paper.)
All Mr. Krugman has offered so far is a faux correction. Each Op-Ed columnist has a page in nytimes.com that includes his or her past columns and biographical information. Mr. Krugman has been allowed to post a note on his page that acknowledges his initial error, but doesn't explain that his initial correction of that error was also wrong. Since it hasn't been officially published, that posting doesn't cause the correction to be appended to any of the relevant columns.
...
A bottom-line question: Does a corrections policy not enforced damage The Times's credibility more than having no policy at all?
Funny Stuff |
09.17.05 - 4:32 pm | #
Where can I get a good didgiridoo camera?
Hang on, I've got a few out back.
stranger |
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09.17.05 - 4:32 pm | #
Eli: Where can I get a good didgiridoo camera?
I got mine out back, where they sell 'em down under cost.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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09.17.05 - 4:32 pm | #
You guys have nothing but hate.
Oh, and puns, too.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 4:32 pm | #
The Maori, the merrier.
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:33 pm | #
If you find out let me know - I wallabuy one.
Dingo look for yourself!
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:34 pm | #
Jeffreaham,
Please to get the F out of my head.
BTW - A friend of mine ran into Holdsworth in an airport a couple of weeks back. Siad he was a real nice guy, introduced him to his band and gave him a signed CD.
stranger |
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09.17.05 - 4:34 pm | #
The way he said it, too, was really ugly. He said, in effect, "you want more federal government involvement? Ok, I'll give you more federal government involvement. We'll just let the army take over."
Son of a bitch - I knew when he said it that it was bad news.
Tena |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:34 pm | #
Funny Stuff indeed --
Full oversight for any media figure who's not solidly right wing.
Oversight for government officials -- not so much.
Bruce |
09.17.05 - 4:35 pm | #
The Maori, the merrier.
We're doing New Zealand, too? Oh, dear...that makes me sheepish.
[ok that was the best i could do with "new zealand"]
I have decided, uncharacteristically,
not to respond to the Funny Stuff
troll.
It's just gonna keeping posting
that shit over and over again, anyway,
and who gives a fuck.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 4:35 pm | #
This is as close to first as I am going to get on dialup (SIGH!)
Prior Aelred
If you had a border collie you'd be able to get faster dial-up connexions.
Arthur J. GWPDA |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:35 pm | #
If DSL were available, we would get it -- if we could get a dish that would work for us (computer in different buildings) we would get it -- the cable doesn't get out here -- we are seriously rural (closest public transportation is 40 miles away)
Prior Aelred |
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09.17.05 - 4:36 pm | #
ok that was the best i could do with "new zealand"
If we could find the key, we could unlock the cabinet with the didgeridoo cameras in it.
stranger |
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09.17.05 - 4:36 pm | #
Offered with no comment...
Silleigh
notice that one of the first fixes moron proposed was expanded military powers. and the very worrying aspect is the neutered gabshow hosts -- matthews, blitzer, foxnews -- go all wobbly at the sight of uniforms and actually promote this. william cohen was on with blitzer yesterday really trying to put the brakes on this kind of talk.:
BLITZER: ...The president last night in his speech on the Katrina disaster said, you know what, one of the lessons I've already learned is the United States military is sort of the best positioned to deal with these disasters. And we got to learn how to use the military better. You heard those words. You are a former defense secretary, former U.S. senator. You know the subject well. Was he right?
COHEN: Well, I think right in the sense that the United States military is the only institution in the United States that has the capacity, the logistical capacity, the medical reinforcement capability, providing beds and assistance to those who are either wounded or, in this case, damaged by the hurricane and the winds. But we have to go fairly carefully here. The so-called posse comitatus statue is there for a reason. Historically, Americans very suspicious of having a standing army that that standing army can be used for oppression and for tyranny.
And so there have been very strict, very strict restrictions on the use of that military. We've seen some erosion of that act over the years. For example, we use the military for counter-drug activity. You could have the Insurrection Act being applied here, where the president could act to put down a rebellion at the request of a governor or such. So ...
BLITZER: But you need a governor to sign off on that?
COHEN: Right, you've got to be careful on that because, yes, the military could take over and control that very effectively, but then the question is is the military in charge or is civilian authorities in charge? So it's something that needs to be looked at. Senator Warner, for example, has written to Secretary Rumsfeld to ask for review of all the legislation on the books to see what the role of the military should be in the future.
In my judgment, this was not an issue of the lack of the military being prepared, but, rather, a failure of leadership, certainly, within the Homeland Security and on down, through state and local government.
The military was prepared to act. But you've got to have the kind of training, exercises, planning, to be able to move quickly in a situation like this, coordinating with the governor of the state and the local mayor and not wait until two or three days later then say "send in the marines." That's a situation we found ourselves in.
bkny |
09.17.05 - 4:37 pm | #
stranger: Please to get the F out of my head.
Just as there is no "i" in "team," there's also no "f" in "head."
(and in my case, there's been no f'in' head in a while, either)
BTW - A friend of mine ran into Holdsworth in an airport a couple of weeks back. Siad he was a real nice guy, introduced him to his band and gave him a signed CD.
Cool. I guess that means he's still got gigs overseas, at least. I'm pretty convinced I'll never see him play again.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 4:37 pm | #
Toby was pushing that Krugman
article, also.
Maybe this clown is Toby.
Who cares.....
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 4:38 pm | #
Jeeesh... just looked at who was looking at my blog, and somebody came over by something called conservativebynature4.blogspot.com/. Okay, so I think, why #4? Turns out there's a conservativebynature, then conservativebynature's #2, #3, and #4. All of them are quite stupid, as I guess you would suppose from people so unoriginal they can't come up with a blog name on their own....
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 4:38 pm | #
Tena sez:
Son of a bitch - I knew when he said it that it was bad news.
If it happens I think it will be a creeping thing... a restriction here, show your papers there, "do you mind if we ask you some questions..."
All bets are off if there's a terror attack, natch. Then it will be full-on dictatorship.
...New York Times' ombudsmen calls Gail Collins to task for allowing Paul Krugman to get away with more lies:
An Op-Ed columnist for The New York Times who makes an error "is expected to promptly correct it in the column." That's the established policy of Gail Collins, editor of the editorial page. Her written policy encourages "a uniform approach, with the correction made at the bottom of the piece."
Two weeks have passed since my previous post spelled out the errors made by columnist Paul Krugman in writing about news media recounts of the 2000 Florida vote for president. Mr. Krugman still hasn't been required to comply with the policy by publishing a formal correction. Ms. Collins hasn't offered any explanation.
As a result, readers of nytimes.com who simply search for "Krugman" won't find any indication that there are uncorrected errors in the columns the query turns up. Nor will those who access Mr. Krugman's columns in an electronic database such as Nexis or Factiva. Corrections would have been appended in all those places if Mr. Krugman had complied with Ms. Collins' policy and corrected the errors in his column in the print version of The Times. (Essentially, to become part of the official archive of The Times, material has to have been published in the print paper.)
All Mr. Krugman has offered so far is a faux correction. Each Op-Ed columnist has a page in nytimes.com that includes his or her past columns and biographical information. Mr. Krugman has been allowed to post a note on his page that acknowledges his initial error, but doesn't explain that his initial correction of that error was also wrong. Since it hasn't been officially published, that posting doesn't cause the correction to be appended to any of the relevant columns.
...
A bottom-line question: Does a corrections policy not enforced damage The Times's credibility more than having no policy at all?
You Moral Cowards |
09.17.05 - 4:40 pm | #
New York Times' ombudsmen calls Gail Collins to task for allowing Paul Krugman to get away with more lies:
We seem to have a cut-and-paste trollbot infestation. Blick.
Well, i guess it's time for me to quit procrastinating and get to work recovering a hundred or so genomic sequences for my DNA microarray screen targets from the NCBI website -- thrilling stuff, let me tell you! Especially when the sun is shining in Berkeley on Saturday for a change. Makes the finger keep twitching towards the Eschaton button in the worst way.....
blerb |
09.17.05 - 4:40 pm | #
It's koala you all to keep the puns going like this
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 4:41 pm | #
Thanks for the optimism. i seem to have been taken over by the 'oh no, we're screwed' bug today.
Look at Monkey Boy's poll numbers. Most have him at or below 40% Ou Repuglican governor (first republican Gov. here in 50 years) has a 38% approval rating and falling. Heh. The end is near.
bigvic |
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09.17.05 - 4:42 pm | #
It's koala you all to keep the puns going like this
It's Syndey irresistible, really. Of course, I was Melbourne for this sort of thing...
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 4:43 pm | #
Moe sez:
just looked at who was looking at my blog
In the first 24 hours that mine was open I got a bunch of .gov and .mil visitors and none since.
spork -- yes, former def sec during clinton admin
bkny |
09.17.05 - 4:43 pm | #
Sorry if this has been put up already:
From TPM Cafe
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By Rep. George Miller (D-CA)
From: TPMCafe Special Guests The President suspended wage standards for workers on the Gulf Coast before he declared a national emergency. That means he was so focused on cutting the wages of people who'd be returning to the Gulf Coast to rebuild their lives and their communities that, in order to hasten the suspension, he failed to follow the law. And at the same time the White House was cutting workers' wages, it was busy awarding no-bid contracts. The President has proven once again that he's more interested in governing for the few than in governing for all of us.
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"I'm so happy to be here with my people: the Haves and the Have-Mores." Little Bitch George in F911.
Lookee over here, LBG, it's the HAD-ENOUGHs.
bo |
09.17.05 - 4:44 pm | #
OK --
cut & paste trolls have returned -- might as well go to church
will try to stop by this evening
Prior Aelred |
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09.17.05 - 4:44 pm | #
Prior, are your builings too far apart to get a Satellite Dish and them a MIMO wireless system?
I live a dozen miles outside Des Moines in the country and have DirecWay and a Netgear Router that usually works (though I'm just in a single house, but it works throughout the house -- I'm in the basement a floor and 60 feet away from the 802.11(g) router)
attaturk |
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09.17.05 - 4:44 pm | #
Eli: It's Syndey irresistible, really. Of course, I was Melbourne for this sort of thing...
You know your evil work is done when your pun manages to plant a Robert Palmer (R.I.P.) earwig.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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09.17.05 - 4:45 pm | #
It's Syndey irresistible, really. Of course, I was Melbourne for this sort of thing...
Aussie what you mean
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 4:45 pm | #
Of course, I was Melbourne for this sort of thing...
SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES THAT THE TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED EAST OF
THE WINDWARD ISLANDS HAS ORGANIZED INTO TROPICAL DEPRESSION
SEVENTEEN. ...THE CYCLONE IS FORECAST TO BE OVER 30C WATER FOR THE NEXT 5 DAYS AND
THE SHEAR IS FORECAST TO BE LIGHT. THUS...STEADY STRENGTHENING
SHOULD OCCUR. THE INTENSITY FORECAST BRINGS THE DEPRESSION TO
HURRICANE STRENGTH IN 48 HR AND TO 95 KT BY 120 HR... WATCHES OR WARNINGS MAY BE REQUIRED FOR PORTIONS OF THE
LESSER ANTILLES LATER TODAY OR TONIGHT AFTER THE POSITION AND
MOTION OF THE CYCLONE ARE BETTER ESTABLISHED.
Keep a weather eye Florida, this one's heading for you....
blerb |
09.17.05 - 4:48 pm | #
Turns out there's a conservativebynature, then conservativebynature's #2, #3, and #4. All of them are quite stupid, as I guess you would suppose from people so unoriginal they can't come up with a blog name on their own.... - Moe Szyslak
It's the same shitheads that drive cars with vanity plates like "BMW 4 ME", "MY XR7",....
bo |
09.17.05 - 4:48 pm | #
bo: "I'm so happy to be here with my people: the Haves and the Have-Mores." Little Bitch George in F911.
And the fact that Moore didn't disclose that this scene came from footage of the Al Smith dinner made it a gross distortion -- according to my former friend who's turned from being a closet Beelzebublican to full-blown Bush fellator.
I mean, it's obvious he wasn't trying to make a cheap, crappy joke! Right?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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09.17.05 - 4:48 pm | #
spork - we've all been "noted," which is why I maintain that if they were going to do something to try to shut us down, they'd have done it already.
Now that the political capital the Repugs had is all gone, it would be a bad time to crack down.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 4:48 pm | #
Hey, Ophelia just hit Halifax. Big wind, lots and lots of rain. But so far, nothing more than any other rain storm that drops by. I guess the bulk of the storm is coming through in the next couple of hours.
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 4:48 pm | #
(Must go plant my tomatoes now.)
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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09.17.05 - 4:49 pm | #
Jesus, we just have to rid ourselves of these fucking criminals in power.
I don't really know how we are to accomplish that, but it is imperative for the future of the planet.
Then we must repeal every fucking thing Bush has done in the past five years.
Every.
Fucking.
Thing.
We cannot afford another three and a half years of this train wreck.
Vinnie |
09.17.05 - 4:49 pm | #
Even my eight-year-old son, a rabid anti-Bushite, is getting tired of sold the stupid "Bushy McHitler" remarks. He thinks it's time for the Left to grow up, like he has.
You Moral Cowards |
09.17.05 - 4:49 pm | #
bigvic sez:
Uh, oh. Get ready for a "sneak and peek."
Nah. I whored my place here and I'm sure Eschaton is being watched (if only for political reasons).
Although...I have a large collection of photography books and some of them have pictures of...of...nekkid people in them. Maybe Mullah Dobson will insist on a search!
Although...I have a large collection of photography books and some of them have pictures of...of...nekkid people in them. Maybe Mullah Dobson will insist on a search!
I know *I* will!
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 4:52 pm | #
(Must go plant my tomatoes now.)
GWPDA
Where are you, Australia?
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 4:52 pm | #
Not Oz Mo, AZ.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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09.17.05 - 4:52 pm | #
"Prior, are your builings too far apart to get a Satellite Dish and them a MIMO wireless system?
I live a dozen miles outside Des Moines in the country and have DirecWay and a Netgear Router that usually works (though I'm just in a single house, but it works throughout the house -- I'm in the basement a floor and 60 feet away from the 802.11(g) router)
attaturk | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 4:44 pm | #"
when we talked to some satellite sales reps they said there should be no problem -- they would check with the technical people -- its been months -- we checked back with them -- they said they would get back to us when they were ready -- never believe people in sales
Prior Aelred |
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09.17.05 - 4:53 pm | #
How early the fruit is falling
this season!
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 4:53 pm | #
Not Oz Mo, AZ.
She's a good sheila, Bruce, and not at all stuck up.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 4:54 pm | #
Tena sez:
spork - we've all been "noted," which is why I maintain that if they were going to do something to try to shut us down, they'd have done it already.
Early this morning had some great Cajun music, followed by country (strangely with a decidely anti-rich anti-republican bent) then some great folk/protest and, right now, a live concert from a Houston club featuring a variety of artists from New Orleans.
The "DJ" during the country music set kept up a constant barrage of anti-Bush talk. Listening to his accent and word choices I would have thought he was a redkneck reactionary...but he was any thing but....and all from Houston, Texas. Go figure.
Streaming KPFT - what a great discovery and a very pleasant way to spend a rainy Saturday...listening to cool music and well placed doses of Bush bashing....nice.
Pete |
09.17.05 - 4:55 pm | #
And let us not forget that the gubmint is disarming all individuals, even those with legal firearms.
I really am not tin foilly hattie, but man this is getting bad.
ql in ny |
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09.17.05 - 4:55 pm | #
I'm worried my tomatoes may not last this storm. They're only just now getting full-size, but they're plenty green. First frost can't be too far off-- two weeks, maybe?
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 4:55 pm | #
Hey, in case no one else has said it yet:
Fuck Bush!
(and yeah, I hate him too.)
Well what about that - it never gets old. Always feels as good as the first time.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 4:55 pm | #
Top 11 most egregious instances of looting.
11. Gas stations charging four dollars a gallon in anticipation of higher oil prices.
10. Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Adelphia, Arthur Andersen, Global Crossing, etc.
9. Pharmaceutical interests' authorship of the Medicare prescription drug "benefit."
8. The invasion of Iraq.
7. Taking 365 vacation days for every four years in office.
6. The energy bill.
5. No-bid, cost-plus contracts for Halliburton.
4. Record quarterly profits for the petroleum industry while we wage two wars.
3. Five percent of the world's population consuming 25% of the world's finite resources.
2. The 2000 and 2004 elections.
1. Trickle-down effect: reallocating funds for New Orleans levee repair to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy.
I have decided, uncharacteristically,
not to respond to the Funny Stuff
troll.
It's just gonna keeping posting
that shit over and over again, anyway,
and who gives a fuck.
steve simels - 4:35 pm
Steve, I can't speak for the other Trollshunners, but I just want to say that... (lump forming in throat)... I've never felt prouder of you than I do at this... this mo--
(breaks off abruptly, tear-dimmed eyes overflow)
Little Brøther |
09.17.05 - 4:56 pm | #
Did someone say Bruce?
Another Bruce |
09.17.05 - 4:56 pm | #
the stupid "Bushy McHitler" remarks
Yeah, that's unfair to compare Bush to Hitler.
Hitler at least got elected.
And at least he could write a book -- Lil' Boots can't even be bothered to READ one.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 4:56 pm | #
How early the fruit is falling
this season!
And so close to the tree....
Immanentize |
09.17.05 - 4:57 pm | #
I was ruminating about the whole Bush asking Condi for permission to wee wee thing, and I thought, you know, at least when Clinton had to perform a bodily function before meeting with world leaders, it was to finish jacking off into the sink outside his office when Monica wasn't doing it for him fast enough. Funny. Our presidents do have stuff in common.
You Moral Cowards |
09.17.05 - 4:57 pm | #
In which the usual suspects are already snout-deep in the hurricane reconstruction boondoggle, with the pigmaster Rove overseeing the serving of the slop.
Heywood J. |
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09.17.05 - 4:59 pm | #
How early the fruit is falling
this season!
And so close to the tree.... -Immanentize
And the horse apple never falls far from the horse's ass: consider the Republican.
bo |
09.17.05 - 4:59 pm | #
Pere Ubu seems to favor Hitler.
I thought Bush did. It's the eyes, isn't it.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 4:59 pm | #
First frost can't be too far off-- two weeks, maybe?
I'm deeply, deeply sorry for your trouble.
If I can get in these tomatoes, which are already to go, I should have fresh fruit on the plate in a couple of weeks - and then they'll go at least thru July. Since I'm putting them in much the same place as my previous feral tomatoes, who knows? They may go four or five years. They look pretty hardy to me. Also, I've got to put in the red bell peppers and the green, enough sage and basil to keep me going and start the lettuce.
My seeds should get here next week, and I'll have green beans, lima beans, carrots and shoepeg white corn, although I'm not sanguine about the corn. But this is our second season, the temp's not going over 100F in the afternoon any more and it's dropping as far as 68F at night, so blossoms are gonna set! Providing of course I get out there and start planting.
Then, there's always the question of mulch.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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09.17.05 - 5:00 pm | #
Pere Ubu seems to favor Hitler.
At least he was able to get shit done, and didn't have to go ask Goering whether he could take a shit or not.
All's I'm saying is as far as fascists go, Hitler was the more efficent of the two.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:00 pm | #
Nah. I whored my place here and I'm sure Eschaton is being watched (if only for political reasons).
Heh. This place is a whore house, I tell ya.
bigvic |
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09.17.05 - 5:00 pm | #
I think it bothers the little creatures that Bush got caught writing that note to Condi.
Strikes me that Nero is the better comparitor
Immanentize |
09.17.05 - 5:00 pm | #
This place is a whore house, I tell ya.
You say that like it's a bad thing
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 5:01 pm | #
I think it bothers the little creatures that Bush got caught writing that note to Condi.
BWAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
If only it had been some kind of mash note. Lord, that would have been funny.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:01 pm | #
There you go again, Pere, baby, talking up Hitler. Left Nutwits, you gotta love 'em.
You Moral Cowards |
09.17.05 - 5:01 pm | #
Strikes me that Nero is the better comparitor
I'm going to have to invoke Gibbon's Law and declare victory.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:02 pm | #
Now it's losing it.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 5:03 pm | #
Even my eight-year-old son, a rabid anti-Bushite, is getting tired of sold the stupid "Bushy McHitler" remarks.
Hasn't he heard that we've moved on to "Chimpy McHitlerburton"? C'mon, pry that copy of the Moonie Times out of his hands and edumacate him.
He thinks it's time for the Left to grow up, like he has.
Yeah, he probably thinks Dad oughta stick to losing at Super Mario Kart, too. And yet, here you are.
Heywood J. |
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09.17.05 - 5:03 pm | #
I get so much more sensible conversation from either the tomatoes OR Arthur than the odd little knotted up twits who have found an open computer at their local Boys and Girls Club.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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09.17.05 - 5:03 pm | #
There's that smell again.
Mind if I open a window in this thread?
bo |
09.17.05 - 5:03 pm | #
I haven't had any .gov or .mil visits in a long time.
I guess they figure if I was going to advocate something violent, I would have done so long ago. They got tired of waiting for me to say something dumb.
stranger |
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09.17.05 - 5:03 pm | #
Tena, don't you have some pen pal letters to write to your former clients in the slammer?
You Moral Cowards |
09.17.05 - 5:04 pm | #
The flowers and my patio tomatoes got nipped twice this past week; it's dropped into the 20's at night here a couple of times. It's warmed up a bit - 30's the last couple of nights.
But my stuff is done for.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 5:04 pm | #
bo -- Nice to hear/reconnect with your voice -- I have such limited time to hang with y'all. And I am so glad that at least today you have no new casualties to list....
If only it had been some kind of mash note. Lord, that would have been funny.
You never know. "Bathroom break" could be code for all kind o' naughtiness.
Nothin' turns Chimpy on more than talkin' a little doo-doo smack.
Heywood J. |
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09.17.05 - 5:05 pm | #
There you go again, Pere, baby, talking up Hitler.
Would it make you feel better if I compared him to Stalin instead? Or Caligula? Or Franco? Mussolini would probably be the better comparison -- Il Duce liked to play "soldier dress-up" too.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:05 pm | #
Listening to you people and farming. I grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan. I honestly believed that swallows were baby pigeons til I was in my twenties. heehee.
I did grow a few vegetables a looooooooooong time aga, and have a picture of the first tomato I grew hanging up.
ql in ny |
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09.17.05 - 5:05 pm | #
Heh. This place is a whore house, I tell ya.
bigvic
Damn I miss Deadwood...
RealTexan |
09.17.05 - 5:06 pm | #
Now why would I write pen pal letters to former clients, one wonders?
Most of them are probably out on parole by now. I no longer have their files, don't remember their names, don't care what happens to them from now on.
Done my job.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 5:06 pm | #
Pere, doll, that was some trenchant shit. Trenchant.
You Moral Cowards |
09.17.05 - 5:07 pm | #
How come Elton John got it?
james |
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09.17.05 - 5:07 pm | #
I got a phone call from a sportscaster the other day but I wasn't home. A message was left...
Boomer rang for you.
Better late than never (maybe).
FeralLiberal |
09.17.05 - 5:07 pm | #
Now why would I write pen pal letters to former clients, one wonders?
Well, if you were a *Republican* lawyer, you'd probably be hitting them up for jobs and shady business opportunities.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:07 pm | #
Yea, I've got corn too, but that seems even less likely to make it.
On a more positive note, I'm growing crops here I could never have in California-- Arctic kiwi, bluesberries, more raspberries than I know what to do with, asparagus, and rhubarb.
You know, I think it might be a good idea if Bush was raped with a spiked stelleto.
Think the .govs and .mils will like that?
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 5:08 pm | #
and all from Houston, Texas. Go figure.
My brother has lived in Houston for well over twenty years. He is the original Hippie Dude, and tells me there is, indeed, quite the progressive community/movement there. I lived there myself for a short while, but, alas, too short to become too actively involved in anything.
is one of the bro's preferred hangouts. Cool place, cool people, and very politically active.
ThinlyVeiled |
09.17.05 - 5:08 pm | #
FeralLiberal:
How're you doing, buddy?
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 5:08 pm | #
Tena, you have a continuing duty of loyalty. And a duty to love 'em.
You Moral Cowards |
09.17.05 - 5:08 pm | #
I like yours too flash guy
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 5:08 pm | #
I like yours too flash guy
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 5:08 pm | #
Tena, don't you have some pen pal letters to write to your former clients in the slammer?
Funny, one of my best friends, who is one of the greatest criminal; defense attorneys I have ever worked with, is currently representing one of Delay's compadres in Texas (already indicted three times).
he loves it -- these guys have plenty of money tpo pay for their mouthpieces.
As for pen pals?? Judy Miller for me!! Although I hope to add a few more folks in the next month or so.
Immanentize |
09.17.05 - 5:08 pm | #
Eli sez:
If only it had been some kind of mash note. Lord, that would have been funny.
"Condi-wondy - - Meet you behind the translators' booths in 15
-Your Georgums"
so you have one of those "Word-A-Day" calendars. Ooh I'm SOOO impressed. yor mentl skillz make mee look stoopid.
Can you tell how many fingers I'm holding up now?
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:09 pm | #
Tena, it's the saddest thing about the mountains to me - the early fall, the long quiet. Now granted the vegetal hysteria that characterises places like Southern California is more than I want to keep up with, still.... This business down here of having the two growing seasons, one about 4 months, one 6, seems very satisfactory to me. Even the perennials, once established, can make it thru the horrible fit of cold and baking heat if they're coddled a bit, and that cuts down on the work too. Right now I'm switching out a bunch of ratty looking cassias for some sleek muhlenbergia grass, some society garlic and French lavender - and those should require just about nothing at all to worry with.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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09.17.05 - 5:09 pm | #
I like yours too flash guy
Thanks. I think you are the greatest mascot in the history of sports.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:10 pm | #
He's not even pretending to make
sense now.....
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 5:10 pm | #
"You know, I think it might be a good idea if Bush was raped with a spiked stelleto."
Can you tell how many fingers I'm holding up now?
Pere Ubu - 5:09 pm
Apologize for interrupting-- but I'm guessing "one".
Little Brøther |
09.17.05 - 5:11 pm | #
Here's a fucking surprise from the NYTimes:
WASHINGTON, Sept. 16 - After weeks of trying to rally international support to confront Iran over its nuclear program and to reform the United Nations, the Bush administration has had an unusually frustrating week, rebuffed by crucial partners and also by a coalition of poor countries increasingly resentful of American power.
Never Forgive! |
09.17.05 - 5:11 pm | #
If only it had been some kind of mash note. Lord, that would have been funny.
Eli
Heh. And have him sign it "yor husbind"
bigvic |
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09.17.05 - 5:11 pm | #
Can you tell how many fingers I'm holding up now?
You need help counting?
You Moral Cowards |
09.17.05 - 5:11 pm | #
you have a continuing duty of loyalty. And a duty to love 'em.
MEANING? What an ingnorant thing to say.
Immanentize |
09.17.05 - 5:11 pm | #
Can you tell how many fingers I'm holding up now?
Pere Ubu - 5:09 pm
Apologize for interrupting-- but I'm guessing "one".
I'm holding two up to my forehead, assuming the thumb counts as a finger.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:12 pm | #
"the Guard and Reserve to fight their illegal war, while using combat-trained troops to 'restore order."
Police are trained to direct traffic and keep order.
The military are trained to kill.
Luke |
09.17.05 - 5:12 pm | #
Love them? fuck that.
Didn't even like most of them. No lawyering rule says you have to like your clients.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 5:12 pm | #
I think "YouMoralCowards" is "vegan" and "Ms. Anon". Same snottiness, same love of its vocabulary skills. It's so funny when you can tell which trolls are hiding behind new names.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:12 pm | #
It's just spewing random words
that happen to abut each other.
Think infinite number of monkeys
and typewritiers....
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 5:12 pm | #
Thanks. I think you are the greatest mascot in the history of sports.
Hey! Back in the 80's the Pirate Parrot was dealing coke. That counts for something.
Hey! Back in the 80's the Pirate Parrot was dealing coke. That counts for something.
On of the *worst* mascots in the history of sports. And I don't just mean in moral terms.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:14 pm | #
"Don't eat with your hands, son! Use your entrenching tool!"
Shoes for Industry!
Shoes for the Dead!
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 5:14 pm | #
I'm holding two up to my forehead, assuming the thumb counts as a finger.
Eli
Um, it looks like four to me. Can't see your thumb, but I'm guessing it's on the other side of the camera. Now, where might your other hand be?
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 5:14 pm | #
I wonder if Moral Coward is a psychiatrist.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:14 pm | #
The level of discourse is stunning, though.
Yes, though the average has dropped off a bit this afternoon.
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 5:15 pm | #
I mean, impressed by the word "trenchant"? You guys don't get out much, do you?
You Moral Cowards |
09.17.05 - 5:15 pm | #
On the other hand, naps are also nice. And it's not really very kind to put vegetables into the ground at the height of the afternoon sun....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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09.17.05 - 5:15 pm | #
Um, it looks like four to me. Can't see your thumb, but I'm guessing it's on the other side of the camera. Now, where might your other hand be?
No, that's just a historical document.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:15 pm | #
The level of discourse is stunning, though.
Yer not addin nothin.
Immanentize |
09.17.05 - 5:15 pm | #
Well, the monkeys have a much greater chance of typing something comprehensible.
Another Bruce |
09.17.05 - 5:16 pm | #
"I mean, impressed by the word 'trenchant'? You guys don't get out much, do you?"
Just able to tell when someone is a little too impressed with himself or herself.
Withnail |
09.17.05 - 5:16 pm | #
I wonder if Moral Coward is a psychiatrist.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 5:14 pm | #
Although not himself a sodomite.....
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 5:17 pm | #
Well, the monkeys have a much greater chance of typing something comprehensible.
And they smell better.
Poo-flinging skills, well, pretty much a wash.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:18 pm | #
Hitchens-Galloway also streaming on BBC Radio right now -- click on listen live logo at Radio 4
America: A nation that has a depraved moron as putative president and half it's citizenry suffering from Attention Deficit Disorder.
Rudy |
09.17.05 - 5:22 pm | #
Well, the monkeys have a much greater chance of typing something comprehensible.
If you put a million trolls at a million keyboards for a million years...
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:22 pm | #
trenchant?
Is that a ditch insect?
Vinnie |
09.17.05 - 5:23 pm | #
Whoa, I think Mr. Coward took his name seriously.
Now we need to get someone to clean up that slime trail leading out the door.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:23 pm | #
Hey Steve - Busy as Hell, but what else is new. Dodging in and out here as I'm working on a new batch of wine.
FeralLiberal |
09.17.05 - 5:24 pm | #
"Is that a ditch insect?"
That line had legs.
Withnail |
09.17.05 - 5:25 pm | #
Why the debate about using the military is huge, it's also a way of diverting blame away from the federal response in general. They are pointing figures, still, at the locals, and the argument over whether the feds or the governor would be in charge of the troops, while the most important issue at the time was how to get food and water delivered, and people evacuated.
ACK |
09.17.05 - 5:26 pm | #
What, did everyone go out to the kitchen for a sammich or something?
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:27 pm | #
Hey Steve - Busy as Hell, but what else is new. Dodging in and out here as I'm working on a new batch of wine.
FeralLiberal
Mr. QL is still talking about how impressed he was with your wine.
ql in ny |
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09.17.05 - 5:27 pm | #
Bushboy sees no need to raise taxes despite Katrina, the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan, the Medicare prescription drug benefit scam, the spiking interest on the already swollen national debt.
In fact, that Estate Tax elimination will go ahead as planned by the Gooper Congress!
yeah I can't figure out why they couldn't bring water and other basics in while still more or less getting the people out - they acted like those were mutually exclusive concepts.
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 5:28 pm | #
Last night was opening night for the San Antonio Symphony. Thanks to our new democrat mayor, a line item was inserted into the budget for the symphony, and with the community subscribing themselves, their friends, their neighbors, I'm proud to announce that our symphony is once again operating in the black.
Woo hoo!
And they played the hell out of the Shostakovich Symphony No. 5 last night. I've played 1st violin on this piece back in college. I am in awe of the string players ability to sound as one. Ahhhh...
And also yesterday I taught fresman English students how to research New Left groups and COINTELPRO, and attended events on our campus for Constitution Day.
What a great end to a rough week. And to top it all off...I just made mango bars. Anybody want one? I'm cele-brat-ing!
san antone rose |
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09.17.05 - 5:29 pm | #
yeah I can't figure out why they couldn't bring water and other basics in while still more or less getting the people out - they acted like those were mutually exclusive concepts.
Rescuin' people is hard! It's hard work!
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:29 pm | #
The White House is now trying to pin the blame for the levee failures on environmental groups, apparently:
The Clarion-Ledger has obtained a copy of an internal e-mail the U.S. Department of Justice sent out this week to various U.S. attorneys' offices: "Has your district defended any cases on behalf of the (U.S.) Army Corps of Engineers against claims brought by environmental groups seeking to block or otherwise impede the Corps work on the levees protecting New Orleans? If so, please describe the case and the outcome of the litigation."
What, did everyone go out to the kitchen for a sammich or something?
Naw, have been fixing a buffet. My son is back today, and brought some friends down from school. So today, we have the normal bunch of kids that still live in this town, + a brand new batch.
I think the local grocery stores are in love with me.
doug |
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09.17.05 - 5:29 pm | #
Yes, it had 6 legs to be exact.
Vinnie |
09.17.05 - 5:29 pm | #
What a great end to a rough week. And to top it all off...I just made mango bars. Anybody want one? I'm cele-brat-ing!
Ooo! Ooo!
*jumps up & down*
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:29 pm | #
I can't figure out why they couldn't bring water and other basics in while still more or less getting the people out - they acted like those were mutually exclusive concepts.
Mr. Met, it's their difficulty with keeping two thoughts in their little heads at the same time.
doug |
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09.17.05 - 5:30 pm | #
The Boooosh family.
A nest of vipers, spawned in a den of iniquity and a plague on America that rivals the Medieval bubonic.
Rudy |
09.17.05 - 5:30 pm | #
Super Happy Funland : Houston's venue for experimental electronic music
You just lost me, Super Happy Funland.
san antone rose |
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09.17.05 - 5:31 pm | #
but they're so good at double-thinking everything else!
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 5:31 pm | #
Well, we had a nice time at "Camp Alex" at Cambridge Common today. Lots of speechifying, good vibes, as well as Cindy.
BlakNo1 |
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09.17.05 - 5:33 pm | #
The White House is now trying to pin the blame for the levee failures on
environmental groups, apparently:
They never fail to amaze.
Bastards......
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 5:33 pm | #
But in just a few years, this very rich country became a poor, debt-ridden bankrupt nation with a weak currency. Money has left and so have the rich. Taxes are high and the currency has collapsed. Corruption is everywhere. If the problems are not solved, real anarchy could erupt.
(p. 113)
now off to catch up on this thread, which i've probably killed.
chicago dyke |
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09.17.05 - 5:33 pm | #
Here's one for Eli....
would you like extra powdered sugar, sugar?
san antone rose |
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09.17.05 - 5:33 pm | #
You just lost me, Super Happy Funland.
What, you don't like rhythmless music consisting of computer-generated bleeps and farts?
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:34 pm | #
What, did everyone go out to the kitchen for a sammich or something?
Good idea! Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of mac and cheese...
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 5:34 pm | #
"I think I may need a bathroom break? Is this possible?"
I think it's the first question mark that gets me. Doesn't he know whether or not he needs to pee? Or doesn't he know that a simple, declarative sentence ends with a period?
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 5:34 pm | #
yeah I can't figure out why they couldn't bring water and other basics in while still more or less getting the people out - they acted like those were mutually exclusive concepts.
Yeah, people who are enervated by dehydration are dying to get out of town. But they can't, because they're, you know, dying.
Another Bruce |
09.17.05 - 5:35 pm | #
Sorry - can't figure out how make linky worky.
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 5:37 pm | #
shoot, I think I'm feeding between 15 to 30 young men and women tonight. I may as well invite everyone. (for some reason that number changes every time I check)
Menu;
Roast ham,
Roast Duck,
Roast turkey,
Smashed potatoes,
Garden peas (got the last batch of those in yesterday, from a late planting)
Assemble it yourself salad, with a huge collection of different lettaces, vegetables, and other greens
Cherry Pie,
Huckleberry Pie
Apple Pie.
Have all stoves hopping now. I've even gotten some help with the cooking from some friends. Right now, all the prep work in done, the pies are out, and the ham, turkey, are in, the ducks go in later.
doug |
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09.17.05 - 5:37 pm | #
Corruption is everywhere. If the problems are not solved, real anarchy could erupt.
Well, for what it's worth I thought this WAS about the U.S., not Argentina. But that's just my cynicism speaking, of course -- we're the most special country that ever was created by God and nothing like that could ever happen here, nossir.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:38 pm | #
Tena, it's the saddest thing about the mountains to me - the early fall, the long quiet
It's true. The season is only about 2 months long, really. Three if you want to count June, but it dropped into the 20's in June this year.
"...the early fall, the long quiet" that's beautiful, GWPDA. The mountains do have a sadness to them.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 5:38 pm | #
Course it's a good idea, NTodd! Now stop your groveling.
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 5:38 pm | #
Super Happy Funland : Houston's venue for experimental electronic music
You just lost me, Super Happy Funland.
Aw, come on, give Super Happy Funland a break... From what bro says, they do a lot of other things there as well. It's *not* a high class joint or anything, but like I said, he's a Hippie; he doesn't give a shit. They have open mike night and such, and it's a place for like minded progressives to get together. Was just trying to illustrate the point that Houston does have its Progressives; it's not as "red" as you might think. Now, the outlying areas, on the other hand....
ThinlyVeiled |
09.17.05 - 5:38 pm | #
would you like extra powdered sugar, sugar?
That's very sweet, but I don't think mango bars would really need it.
"I think I may need a bathroom break? Is this possible?"
I think it's the first question mark that gets me. Doesn't he know whether or not he needs to pee?
Doesn't seem very resolute, does it.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:38 pm | #
They've been trying to blame enviro groups in California for levee failures there for decades.
In reality there are two levels of problems:
1. The proximate problem-- not enough money is put into levee maintainence.
2. The ultimate problem-- the rivers aren't respected as an environmental whole. Wetlands are filled in, the length of the upper river is rip-rapped, taking away natural flood zones, and the river evenutally tops into a poorly planned subdivision.
Different particulars in New Orleans, but same general problem.
The next flooded American city will be Sacramento, btw.
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 5:39 pm | #
Yeah, people who are enervated by dehydration are dying to get out of town. But they can't, because they're, you know, dying.
Lazy bastards. They should just suck it up and hijack a bus outta town.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:39 pm | #
with a huge collection of different lettaces
Ah - a "huge collection of different lattices" which will capture the salad ingredients within their crystalline forms.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:40 pm | #
Mr. QL is still talking about how impressed he was with your wine
So glad he enjoyed it. I'm gonna have to be sure to bring alot more next time! Got 15gal in the works so far so should have a good supply.
FeralLiberal |
09.17.05 - 5:40 pm | #
The Boooosh family is an American plague I tell ya'
They got's oil for blood & keep barrels in their cellar
Money is all
Their life's call
And they sell America out for cents on the dollar!
Rudy |
09.17.05 - 5:40 pm | #
Moe - where are you?
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 5:41 pm | #
you have to pay attention to the CAPS, Eli. The note was all lower case except "I MAY NEED A BATH". I wish they'd keep their kinky watersports to themselvese.
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 5:41 pm | #
Moe Szyslak
So have they "fixed up" the lowlands near Sacramento (sacred tomato?) so that they no longer flood when the rains come?
doug |
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09.17.05 - 5:41 pm | #
30 more dead in Baghdad today -- anyone know what the throe-to-deaths ratio is?
P O'Neill |
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09.17.05 - 5:42 pm | #
Yes, it's amazing to know, after all these years, that river valleys still get flooded.
Another Bruce |
09.17.05 - 5:42 pm | #
Course it's a good idea, NTodd! Now stop your groveling.
You're just like those bloody psalms: sooooo depressing.
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 5:43 pm | #
Ah - a "huge collection of different lattices"
his friends are all maths and science geeks, so this will be special to them.
No diffuse gell lattices though. Tomato aspic is gross.
doug |
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09.17.05 - 5:43 pm | #
What, you don't like rhythmless music consisting of computer-generated bleeps and farts?
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i can see i've arrived in time. listen, you narrow minded luddite- electronic music is the future. just because some people can't wrap their ears around the idea that you can create music with a computer doesn't mean it has no value.
try this station, www.somafm.com, groove salad is very, very nice and at a level that you can work, read, or screw to.
(you know i say this with luv, pere
chicago dyke |
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09.17.05 - 5:44 pm | #
and stop averting your eyes.
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 5:44 pm | #
No diffuse gell lattices though. Tomato aspic is gross.
No lattice and tomato at all?
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:44 pm | #
30 more dead in Baghdad today -- anyone know what the throe-to-deaths ratio is?
Tena, I'm now in Halifax. I lived in Chico, California for 15 years, and I still work on California water issues.
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 5:45 pm | #
Tomato aspic is gross.
No it's not. I make exceptionally nice tomato aspic, with little shrimpies and cucumber slices and hardboiled egg slices. I have this nifty fish mold for it, so it comes out like a giant aspic fish.... You put the whole thing on a giant bed of lattice of course.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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09.17.05 - 5:45 pm | #
i can see i've arrived in time. listen, you narrow minded luddite- electronic music is the future. just because some people can't wrap their ears around the idea that you can create music with a computer doesn't mean it has no value.
Have you ever *heard* the electronic music of the future? I'm pretty sure I've heard previews of it on shows like Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica, and possibly in Logan's Run. Let me tell you, I am *not* impressed.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:46 pm | #
A word from New York Times public editor Byron Calame:
An Op-Ed columnist for The New York Times who makes an error "is expected to promptly correct it in the column." That's the established policy of Gail Collins, editor of the editorial page. Her written policy encourages "a uniform approach, with the correction made at the bottom of the piece."
Two weeks have passed since my previous post spelled out the errors made by columnist Paul Krugman in writing about news media recounts of the 2000 Florida vote for president. Mr. Krugman still hasn't been required to comply with the policy by publishing a formal correction. Ms. Collins hasn't offered any explanation.
As a result, readers of nytimes.com who simply search for "Krugman" won't find any indication that there are uncorrected errors in the columns the query turns up. Nor will those who access Mr. Krugman's columns in an electronic database such as Nexis or Factiva. Corrections would have been appended in all those places if Mr. Krugman had complied with Ms. Collins' policy and corrected the errors in his column in the print version of The Times. (Essentially, to become part of the official archive of The Times, material has to have been published in the print paper.)
All Mr. Krugman has offered so far is a faux correction. Each Op-Ed columnist has a page in nytimes.com that includes his or her past columns and biographical information. Mr. Krugman has been allowed to post a note on his page that acknowledges his initial error, but doesn't explain that his initial correction of that error was also wrong. Since it hasn't been officially published, that posting doesn't cause the correction to be appended to any of the relevant columns.
If the problem is that Mr. Krugman doesn't want to give up precious space in his column for a correction, there are alternatives. Perhaps some space could be found elsewhere on the Op-Ed page so that readers—especially those using electronic versions of his pieces -- could get the accurate information they deserve.
A bottom-line question: Does a corrections policy not enforced damage The Times's credibility more than having no policy at all?
First O'Krent nails Krugman, now the new Public Editor of Krugman's newspaper, Byron Calame, does the same! Krugman's reputation is in the shitter. He has zero credibility with thinking people and is only defended by intellectually dishonest sycophants.
But it's another Rovian conspiracy, I'm sure.
Paul Krughack |
09.17.05 - 5:46 pm | #
and stop averting your eyes.
Sorry, Mr. Met!
Wait, why the fuck am I groveling? I'M GOD, not you...
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 5:46 pm | #
I think under our Constitution Iraqi deaths only count 3/5.
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 5:46 pm | #
(O'Krent? So *that's* why everyone's been calling him Danny Boy!)
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:47 pm | #
Oh god tomato aspic is an abomination. I didn't think that it was possible to torture a tomato to get it to taste that badly.
Another Bruce |
09.17.05 - 5:47 pm | #
I think under our Constitution Iraqi deaths only count 3/5.
No, that's black people. Iraqis don't count at all.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:47 pm | #
And don't apologize. Every time I try to talk to someone it's 'sorry this' and 'forgive me that' and 'I'm not worthy'.
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 5:48 pm | #
I think under our Constitution Iraqi deaths only count 3/5.
Unless they're "insurgents", in which case we count that double that, just to make sure we're winning.
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 5:48 pm | #
Have you ever *heard* the electronic music of the future? I'm pretty sure I've
heard previews of it on shows like Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica, and
possibly in Logan's Run. Let me tell you, I am *not* impressed.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 5:46 pm | #
I'm with you on this one.
My problem with contemporary
electro-pop or whatever those
crazy kids call it these days
is that it sounds really retro
and corny to my ears.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 5:48 pm | #
(you know i say this with luv, pere)
Oh comeon! I loves me some Tangerine Dream and Synergy. Nothing wrong with electronic music - I'm just unimpressed with the "experimental" kind, having heard too much of the "bleep-and-fart" type.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:49 pm | #
Is the Galloway-Hitchens slugfest worth the watch on C-SPAN?
What was the overall opinion of the Wednesday matchup?
Florence of Venice |
09.17.05 - 5:49 pm | #
Have you ever *heard* the electronic music of the future? I'm pretty sure I've heard previews of it on shows like Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica, and possibly in Logan's Run. Let me tell you, I am *not* impressed.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 5:46 pm | #
but you liked blade runner's theme, no?
and let's face it: Logan's Run isn't about the music, it's about the lovely women in short skirts. now that's a future i can endorse. minus the dying at 30 part.
chicago dyke |
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09.17.05 - 5:49 pm | #
GWPDA
Maybe I've just never had an aspic that was any good.
Gells are important in cooking. Almost all of sauces, and confections, has something to do with a gell forming regardless of if you've specifically put in a gelling agent or not.
though the food engineers get carried away with it.
The Xanthan gum salad dressings that suspend the chunks is space forever without any shaking are just weird.
doug |
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09.17.05 - 5:50 pm | #
Moe Szyslak
So have they "fixed up" the lowlands near Sacramento (sacred tomato?) so that they no longer flood when the rains come?
doug
Well, there are repeated efforts to shore up and enlarge the levees around Sacramento, but little political will to spend the money necessary-- both at fed and state level.
Doolittle keeps upsetting the political trade-off that nearly comes together every few years to make this happen, because he wants the Auburn dam built. The dam's a bad idea, for a lot of reasons, not least of which is that it sits on an fault line.
The nightmare scenario for Sacramento is a heavy snow year in the Sierra, followed by a sudden warm storm in April or May. When the snow pack melts all at once it will overwhlem both the Sacramento and American rivers, and their associated bypasses, and top the levees into Sacramento.
It isn't a question of if this will happen, but rather when.
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 5:50 pm | #
Moe - Ah - I remember now that you've mentioned Halifax. The brother of a friend of mine lives up there and by all accounts just loves it.
I've always wanted to see it - and I'm going to one of these days.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 5:50 pm | #
Chavez announces that US plans to invade Venezuela. Refers to name of plans as Operation Balboa.
WOW!! Many pundits have been saying this for years. I can't believe that Chavez has the balls to come out with this. Maybe we'll now get wind of this administrations plans to invade Canada (for oil) as well.
reader1 |
09.17.05 - 5:51 pm | #
he errors made by columnist Paul Krugman in writing about news media recounts of the 2000 Florida vote for president
Krugman should "apologize" for whatever just as soon as his fellow Times writer Judy Miller apologizes for her part in lying us into war.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:51 pm | #
but you liked blade runner's theme, no?
and let's face it: Logan's Run isn't about the music, it's about the lovely women in short skirts. now that's a future i can endorse. minus the dying at 30 part.
I think so, although I think I liked their themes for Chariots of Fire and (especially) Year Of Living Dangerously better.
I recently finished a book called Ilium, which had some echoes of Logan's Run. Except the pampered naifs got a hundred years.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:51 pm | #
Logan's Run isn't about the music, it's about the lovely women in short skirts. now that's a future i can endorse.
Ohmyyes.
As for futuristic electronic music from the 70s, I mean, come on. They were trapped by their historical frame of reference. And it was DISCO.
It's just like that fucking Egg in Albany, or EPCOT. Never trust what somebody thinks Tomorrowland will look or sound like. They're just wrong.
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 5:52 pm | #
Is some trollwit (tantamount to nitwit) smearing the esteemed Professor Krugman of Princeton U and the NYTimes?
This from the truth-challenged, sociopathic lying likes of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter and Savage???
Puhleeeeeeeze!!! Give me a break!!!
Rudy |
09.17.05 - 5:52 pm | #
i guess experiement electronic is like acid jazz: it's not for everyone. i can listen to anything but the ugliest of misogynist hip hop and country, and i like the way certain experimental pieces are different every time you listen to them. one fav of mine is a german outfit by the name of "fone."
it's definately weird, and best with a fat blunt and glass of elitist chard.
chicago dyke |
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09.17.05 - 5:52 pm | #
Is the Galloway-Hitchens slugfest worth the watch on C-SPAN?
From the little I saw on Democracy Now! yesterday, Galloway basically wads Hitch up into a little ball and dribbles him all over the stage, as I thought he was going to.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:52 pm | #
Oh, and Kraftwerk. Loves me some Kraftwerk.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 5:53 pm | #
but you liked blade runner's theme, no?
Vangelis, right? He also did Cosmos and Chariots of Fire. I love that shit.
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 5:53 pm | #
Tena-- yes, quite wonderful, especailly our two-month summer, which you're used to, I guess. (Opehlia is a dud, by the way. Sun just came back out.)
There's something about living next to the harbor, getting wakened by the fog hors every morning. Halifax has character, for sure.
And I'll of course buy you or any other Eschatonian a drink if you make it up my way.
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 5:55 pm | #
I recently finished a book called Ilium, which had some echoes of Logan's Run. Except the pampered naifs got a hundred years.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 5:51 pm | #
do you have 'olympus?' it's the conclusion. let me know what you think of it when you finish, IMHO the series falls far short of the hyperion/endymion set, which is on my top ten lists.
simmons, it turns out, is an anti-semite. when the semites speak arabic, that is. i was very disappointed to find this out.
chicago dyke |
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09.17.05 - 5:55 pm | #
For the most part, hip-hop is a travesty of its former self. Except for Mr Lif + Akrobatik, I'm not seeing anyone doing what Public Enemy, KRS-ONE or even Wu-Tang were doing way back when.
BlakNo1 |
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09.17.05 - 5:56 pm | #
For the record, in the Logan's Run book, City people had Lastday at 21, not 30.
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 5:56 pm | #
Krugman should "apologize" for whatever just as soon as his fellow Times writer Judy Miller apologizes for her part in lying us into war.
Pere Ubu
Ah, I have found my first intellectually dishonest Krugman apologist.
Maybe I'll play with it.
Paul Krughack |
09.17.05 - 5:56 pm | #
We've been having some lovely rain storms the last two weeks, that should by now, have all the fires out. I noticed yesterday that helicopter ops seemed to have been halted.
doug |
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09.17.05 - 5:56 pm | #
...If I don't go insane from this wind.
Do you not know a hawk from a handsaw?
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 5:57 pm | #
BlakNo1-- I don't anything at all about hip-hop. Do you know this Buck 65 character, and is he any good?
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 5:57 pm | #
Dollars to donuts, the Krughack
troll is a certain little
sociopath whose initials are TP.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 5:57 pm | #
Most unkind. They will immediately wilt. I think it is time for people in hot places to take their siestas.
Bet Arthur is already asleep -
I'm no good at solving dilemmas directly so I just put all the vegies out where they'll go when I do plant them and then mended two cozy equipale chairs I got at a garage sale. Arthur's well into napping season however, in happy compromise. His little head is cushioned on his gabbeh rug, but himself is cooling off on the saltillo.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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09.17.05 - 5:58 pm | #
That took me a second...
BlakNo1 |
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09.17.05 - 5:58 pm | #
do you have 'olympus?' it's the conclusion. let me know what you think of it when you finish, IMHO the series falls far short of the hyperion/endymion set, which is on my top ten lists.
Just got it last week - it's next on my list, after I finish The Historian.
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 5:58 pm | #
Is some trollwit (tantamount to nitwit) smearing the esteemed Professor Krugman of Princeton U and the NYTimes?
No, I was trying to get him to be honest with his readers. That's my job.
Byron Calame |
09.17.05 - 5:59 pm | #
The nightmare scenario for Sacramento is a heavy snow year in the Sierra, followed by a sudden warm storm in April or May. When the snow pack melts all at once it will overwhelm both the Sacramento and American rivers, and their associated bypasses, and top the levees into Sacramento.
You know, that exact scenario happened in 1991/1992 right around New Years' day. There was a tremendous snowfall in December, producing a 10-foot snowpack in Truckee at 6,000 feet. A week later, there was a roaring "pineapple express" storm that hit the coast with 80 MPH winds and torrential rain up to 12,000 feet. It melted essentially the entire Sierra snowpack in one day.
Although there was extensive flooding of the Central Valley and in other places, Sacramento made it through OK.
So if that event doesn't put Sacto underwater, I don't know what will.
blerb |
09.17.05 - 6:00 pm | #
If I can't write lies, I'll have nothing to put in my columns.
Anyway, it's everyone else's fault. The world is out to get me.
Paul Krugman |
09.17.05 - 6:01 pm | #
Paul Krughack
You may not be aware (or maybe you are but are ignoring it) but Krugman wrote a rebuttal to the criticisms you are citing.
FeralLiberal |
09.17.05 - 6:02 pm | #
doug - just wanted to say that it's very cool that your son wants to bring everybody home with him. You done good.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 6:02 pm | #
Moe - are you still serving the "Flaming Homer"?
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 6:02 pm | #
sociopath whose initials are TP.
Hey, MY initials are 'TP'. Got shit for it all the time as a kid...
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 6:02 pm | #
Trolls have a penchant for being shape shifters and sybils.
By hiding behind many disguised identities lying is easier.
Rudy |
09.17.05 - 6:02 pm | #
If I can't write lies, I'll have nothing to put in my columns.
Name one, trollie.
pie |
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09.17.05 - 6:02 pm | #
Posted elsewhere was this goody - google “Failure” and choose “I’m feeling lucky”. If you haven't already seen it....
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 6:02 pm | #
Posted elsewhere was this goody - google “Failure” and choose “I’m feeling lucky”. If you haven't already seen it....
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 6:02 pm | #
Not to beat a wobbly aspic, but the essence of a good tomato one involves starting out with V-8 or something similar - that is tomato juice with a lot of kick to it - and then not using every packet of gelatine in the house. The consistency is supposed to be gelled rather than congealed, rather like good gaspacho. It ain't jell-o and it ain't supposed to spring back at you. Just cold and tomatoey....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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09.17.05 - 6:03 pm | #
TP for my bunghole!!!!
BlakNo1 |
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09.17.05 - 6:03 pm | #
blerb -- I was there then. That storm was bad-- lots of levees broke in the Yuba City area-- but there can be much worse. Sacramento is by no means safe.
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 6:03 pm | #
TP for my bunghole!!!!
ARE YOU THREATENING ME?!
NTodd |
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09.17.05 - 6:04 pm | #
What is with all the aspickers today?
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 6:04 pm | #
In my country, we have no TP...
BlakNo1 |
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09.17.05 - 6:04 pm | #
NTodd - The wind is southerly. I know a hawk from a handsaw.
Tena |
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09.17.05 - 6:05 pm | #
NTodd:
Sorry about that.
What I meant to say was "a certain
little sociopath whose initials
are Toby Petzold."
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 6:05 pm | #
Tena
Naw, I'm just a sucker, when I see hungry faces. My first thought? Feed them.
doug |
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09.17.05 - 6:06 pm | #
GWPDA - I've mentioned this before but I'm envious of your tomatoes. Had a small crop this year due to a late spring and a prolonged drought, but still managed to can 24qts. and have a batch in the dryer right now.
FeralLiberal |
09.17.05 - 6:06 pm | #
It isn't a question of if this will happen, but rather when.
Moe Szyslak
Sixty Minutes did a segment on levees a few years ago. The expert they had on said this was pretty much the deal all levees.
ql in ny |
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09.17.05 - 6:07 pm | #
FeralLiberal, it is rather I who am awestruck.
And a little nervous about the rest of your household operations. Do you normally put the tomatoes in the dryer? Where do you put the towels after they're washed? What goes into the dishwasher?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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09.17.05 - 6:07 pm | #
Yeah, but what's a "Metal Wizz Cutter"
or a "Hand Reamer" or a "half round bastard" (all names for hand tools)
doug |
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09.17.05 - 6:08 pm | #
I'm outta here; another day of capitalism under my belt.
Good night all.
Pere Ubu |
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09.17.05 - 6:09 pm | #
Yeah, but what's a "Metal Wizz Cutter"
or a "Hand Reamer" or a "half round bastard"
Great names for microbrews, each.
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 6:09 pm | #
greetings from Dutchess County New York.
i say to you: fie!
watertiger |
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09.17.05 - 6:09 pm | #
"Barkeep, gimme a pint of Metal Wizz Cutter."
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 6:09 pm | #
eli- i don't want to ruin the ending for you. let's just say i was profoundly disappointed with what felt like a cheap shot at arabs that was wholly unnecessary, something that figures prominently into the next book and was a hokey as some of boosh's freedumb rhetoric.
chicago dyke |
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09.17.05 - 6:10 pm | #
Tonight's special: Two-for-one Half Round Bastards, leaving on a full, Round Bastard.
Left Lane |
09.17.05 - 6:10 pm | #
Since I'm talking California anyway, and since I'm supposed to be building a web site devoted to these issues but I'm here instead, I may as well tell you about the other water catastrophe awaiting California.
Global warming is bringing the ocean ever so higher, such that Pacific storms are increasingly pushing salt water into the delta.
The delta is in effect part of a giant engineering system. Water is stored behind dams in northern California (Whiskeytown, Shasta, Oroville, etc.) and then put into the Sacramento River, taken out at the delta and put in the California Aquifer, then sent to the Westlands Water district near Fresno to grow cotton, and to LA for about 20% (sometimes much more, as high as 70%) of its water supply.
One day a storm will break the levees in the delta, and overwhelm the pumps bringing water into the aquifer. LA will be without water for months.
That scenario has something like a 80 percent chance of happening in the next 30 years.
Moe Szyslak |
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09.17.05 - 6:10 pm | #
I'll take a rubber band sandwich. And make it snappy.
Mr. Met |
09.17.05 - 6:10 pm | #
I had a a bad day at the office, gimme a half round bastard! and hold the reamer please.
doug |
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09.17.05 - 6:10 pm | #
Yeah, but what's a "Metal Wizz Cutter"
or a "Hand Reamer" or a "half round bastard" (all names for hand tools)
Gimme a Hand Reamer Wizz With.
greetings from Dutchess County New York.
Really? Where? I went to high school up there!
Be sure to try some Four Brothers pizza!
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 6:10 pm | #
GWPDA - oh stop. Your recipe sounds like one my mother used to make. I know just what you mean about texture. My mouth is watering.
I wish I could have found Mother's fish mold - I don't know what happened to it.
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09.17.05 - 6:10 pm | #
Outside of Rhinebeck. I know Four Brothers well; there was one in Hillsdale, NY, where I had my house.
Mmm....chicken souvlaki...
killin' time before da movies.
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09.17.05 - 6:12 pm | #
tena- only now noticed your gravatar. What's that?
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09.17.05 - 6:13 pm | #
Do you normally put the tomatoes in the dryer
Works great, I can dehydrate a whole bushel at once. But for weeks afterwards my underwear comes out pink.
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09.17.05 - 6:13 pm | #
Just got back from seeing Broken Flowers w/ Bill Murray. Very good.
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09.17.05 - 6:13 pm | #
Outside of Rhinebeck. I know Four Brothers well; there was one in Hillsdale, NY, where I had my house.
I don't suppose they have a presence in Newburgh...
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09.17.05 - 6:13 pm | #
This nitwit troll was around a few weeks spewing the same crap about Krugman. Seems that Krugman incorrectly reported some factoid that was given him by some hack, which factoid was only tangential to the point he was making. He corrected it in the next column. It was along the lines of, the sky was blue that day, when in actuality it was a bit overcast. Not terribly important if you're discussing our long term indenture to the Chinese.
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09.17.05 - 6:13 pm | #
GWPDA - oh stop. Your recipe sounds like one my mother used to make. I know just what you mean about texture. My mouth is watering.
There was a recipe in there? Other than a can of tomato juice to a package of gelatin? You're right tho, the texture is the thing, with just a dab of handmade mayonnaise, it's a perfect thing. Like jellied consomme' - just every so often it's the thing to have.
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09.17.05 - 6:14 pm | #
Seems that Krugman incorrectly reported some factoid that was given him by some hack, which factoid was only tangential to the point he was making.
Yeah, IIRC it was something about how many of the newspaper recounts of Florida had Gore winning.
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09.17.05 - 6:14 pm | #
While Bushboy has seen fit to spend $200 billion (and counting) "pertectin' the 'Murican people" from terrorists in Iraq, how come he hasn't seen fit to spend some money "pertectin' 'Muricans" here at home?
While Bushboy has caused a trillion $$$ in tax cuts to be issued to the fatcats, how come he couldn't peel off a few billion for levee upgrades and re-inforcement like the Dutch did???
Do we have a depraved moron for POTUS or what????
Rudy |
09.17.05 - 6:14 pm | #
Wizz cutter.
Tomatos in the dryer.
Fish mold.
I just showed up, and am experiencing a "comedy stall."
Have you ever *heard* the electronic music of the future? I'm pretty sure I've heard previews of it on shows like Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica, and possibly in Logan's Run. Let me tell you, I am *not* impressed.
Eli
The "electronic intonations" used in Forbidden Planet did pretty good, I've always thought. 'course, it was our future, but the Krell's music, not to mention half a million years in the past, so maybe it doesn't count...
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09.17.05 - 6:16 pm | #
GWPDA,
I guess my horror of aspic was due to being fed until I got old enough to just refuse, the weird foamy green jelloie concoctions that some people think are festive.
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09.17.05 - 6:16 pm | #
Do you normally put the tomatoes in the dryer? Where do you put the towels after they're washed? What goes into the dishwasher?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Route 22 is a little out of the way.
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09.17.05 - 6:17 pm | #
I don't know - maybe y'all just had a mind meld - it was the shrimps and the cucumbers and the celery that I remembered. And the lovely texture. Yeah, it is a sometime thing. But when it's time, and the aspic is good, wow.
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09.17.05 - 6:18 pm | #
What goes into the dishwasher?
Trout, you poach them there.
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09.17.05 - 6:18 pm | #
(that was a pizza d'oh, of course...)
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09.17.05 - 6:20 pm | #
That scenario has something like a 80 percent chance of happening in the next 30 years.
Moe Szyslak - Yes, those of us who pray to the Central Arizona Project and fight tooth and nail to ensure our proper share of the Colorado River and the snow pack in the Arizona mountains live in continual fear of your little scenario. We like to keep lots of open desert between us and LA so as to see the DWP trucks coming over the mesas in time to run 'em off.
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09.17.05 - 6:20 pm | #
That scenario has something like a 80 percent chance of happening in the next 30 years.
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moe: whoa. i didn't know that. do i want to know the details? (and i should be working too, they don't call this place the 'crack den' for nothing.)
The "electronic intonations" used in Forbidden Planet did pretty good, I've always thought. 'course, it was our future, but the Krell's music, not to mention half a million years in the past, so maybe it doesn't count...
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speaking of great old sci-fi, does anyone know where i can get a copy of "when worlds collide" on dvd? i haven't checked in a while, but netflix doesn't have it and i couldn't find a dvd copy.
it's one of my favs.
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09.17.05 - 6:21 pm | #
But when it's time, and the aspic is good, wow.
Don't forget the party presentation, where you layer the cucumbers like scales so when you turn the thing over and decant it everybody is impressed....
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09.17.05 - 6:21 pm | #
Too...many...set-ups...
Yeah, "fish mold" made me laugh when I was typing it. I hesitated, as a vast sea of comedic possibilities opened before me. I shut the door and typed it.
Please take it - it's yours.
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09.17.05 - 6:23 pm | #
doug, that was one of my favorite episodes. That and Shrimp on the Barbie.
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09.17.05 - 6:25 pm | #
aspic gives me the heebeejeebees.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 6:23 pm | #
Especially the stuff with gefilte
fish.
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09.17.05 - 6:26 pm | #
That scenario has something like a 80 percent chance of happening in the next 30 years.
I agree that this scenario would be a big problem for LA, but it would not leave them without water for months. As GWPDA pointed out, LA gets its water from three separate sources -- the Central Valley Project, the Owens River, and the Colorado. Your scenario would only take out one of those.
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09.17.05 - 6:26 pm | #
Moe --
That's Louise (Lulu) Brooks -- you Phillistine! (kidding! -- if you're straight, how would you know?) -- I hadda ask Tena myself, but I knew it wasn't Mary Pickford "America's Sweetheart" (who, like America's other sweetheart, GWPDA, was from Canada)
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09.17.05 - 6:26 pm | #
Moe --
That's Louise (Lulu) Brooks -- you Phillistine! (kidding! -- if you're straight, how would you know?) -- I hadda ask Tena myself, but I knew it wasn't Mary Pickford "America's Sweetheart" (who, like America's other sweetheart, GWPDA, was from Canada)
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09.17.05 - 6:26 pm | #
And half a pimento stuffed green olive as an eye.
Yaaay!
Must go now - himself has brought me the shovel as an indication it's time to dig.
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09.17.05 - 6:27 pm | #
Especially the stuff with gefilte
fish.
Gefilte fish with horseradish is delish!
pie |
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09.17.05 - 6:27 pm | #
I'm expecially fond of the soundtrack he made for the documentary For All Mankind, Apollo.
He had a concept, discussed in the liner notes for Discreet Music, of being simultaneously the musician and the audience: Creating systems with tape loops wherein he's play a simple keyboard line, and have it return via tape minutes later. After a few lines played in, just sit back and let the interplay from the machines transport you.
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09.17.05 - 6:27 pm | #
Notice that comedic setups is one more item that scares away the trolls.
discussions that trolls can not tolerate
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09.17.05 - 6:28 pm | #
does anyone know where i can get a copy of "when worlds collide" on dvd?
I'd love to have that on DVD. Only have it on VHS myself. A lot of the classics STILL haven't been released on disc yet...
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09.17.05 - 6:29 pm | #
Well, LA could do without Colorado River completely, if they began reasonable conservation measures.
I think the real problem for the Colorado is San Diego.
But you're right: if the California water system fails, there goes Arizona.
Big decisions are being made in coming years, and a lot rests on responsible people doing the right things. I could outline several dozen horrible scenarios for you... for now, though, the repeated message should be reduce consumption, reduce consumption, reduce consumption.
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09.17.05 - 6:29 pm | #
Salmon in the dishwasher.
Yes, and I remember some time ago reading some recipes for meals you cook on your car's engine while you're driving down the road.
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09.17.05 - 6:30 pm | #
Sixty Minutes did a segment on levees a few years ago. The expert they had on said this was pretty much the deal all levees.
One of my Iraqi friends said the other day, talking about NOLA, that there are levees along the Tigris and Euphrates with 6 lane highways on top. Now that's a levee. Maybe whet really needs to happen is to build a huge new levee next to the old one, dig out the old one, and have a wider canal/river/lake. Lose a few houses and bidnesses, but hey, you wanna live next to a river that's over your head, you got your work cut out for you.
Of course, raising the lowlands would help things a bit, too; don't give the water a new level to seek.
Doozer |
09.17.05 - 6:30 pm | #
Spinoza,
The 40-Year Old Virgin. Whoa, lookin' at the clock I see that I need to be off with my bad self.
I'm off peeps.
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09.17.05 - 6:31 pm | #
Yes, and I remember some time ago reading some recipes for meals you cook on your car's engine while you're driving down the road.
Tena
Won't the soup clog the radiator?
Doozer |
09.17.05 - 6:32 pm | #
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I just don't understand why boobies and vaginas work. They only keep me...interested.
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09.17.05 - 6:32 pm | #
I lived once in Riverside CA. The water waste I saw there and in the LA basin was shocking. Hawaiian landscaping in a desert, sprinkler systems both private and municipal, that flooded streets, not for one night, but night after night.
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09.17.05 - 6:32 pm | #
steve simels - Louise is one my idols. Like I told the prior, she did what she wanted to and she was extremely bright in addition to being almost unbearably beautiful.
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09.17.05 - 6:35 pm | #
Doozer- they'd have to raise everything in Louisiana south of Interstate 10. All of that land-- the land of Acadian exiles-- will be underwater by the end of this century.
Then there's Florida...
but, my wife's whispering things about dinner, so I better get a-cooking.
Good discussing with you all, but I wish someone would summon up Merkin.
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09.17.05 - 6:36 pm | #
River Road, LA
when i lived in red stick, casa wgg was situated in the broad flood plain beside the Mississippi River levee...even after 10 yrs, it was occasionally disconcerting to look up and see an ocean-going vessel--tanker or container ship-- passing by at a good clip...
aside: one of the marks of Huey Long's commercial genius was the building of the US 90 bridge over the Mississippi just north of baton rouge, the height of which is fixed, and prevents the upstream navigation of big ocean-going ships...everything going up-river is loaded on barges in red stick or environs...
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WoodyGuthriesGuitar(aka |
09.17.05 - 6:37 pm | #
Hugh Hefner is a huge fan of Louise Brooks.
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09.17.05 - 6:38 pm | #
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doug
What I think actually happens is We tend to ignore the TrOoLz when the fun starts. They've figured this out--they may be idiots, but they're not totally stupid--and they toddle off.
Doozer |
09.17.05 - 6:38 pm | #
I'm off peeps.
You have some left over from EASTER?
spinoza |
09.17.05 - 6:41 pm | #
pie --
You know I love you, but the world does not contain enough horseradish to redeem gefilte fish!
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09.17.05 - 6:41 pm | #
A massive global increase in the number of strong hurricanes over the past 35 years is being blamed on global warming, by the most detailed study yet. The US scientists warn that Katrina-strength hurricanes could become the norm.
Worldwide since the 1970s, there has been a near-doubling in the number of Category 4 and 5 storms – the strength that saw Hurricane Katrina do such damage to the US Gulf coastline late in August 2005.
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