I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
aha~
two in a row!
they'll find as many of those people as family farms lost to the estate tax.
Wow, that's cold. Even for the GOP. Damn.
Yuk. Literally, the bodies aren't even cold.
Get real, millionaires got out before the storm hit.
Family farms? Estate tax? Here's the deal: a farm worth enough to be subject to the estate tax -- doesn't kick in until there's more than 200 K at stake, remember -- is more than likely already going to be an "Inc." operation 'cause that's how the family hangs onto their grocery money.
Which is to say, of course, the "death tax" is another GOP lie.
Habeus Corpus Christie!
Sessions and Kyl. The fucking insane talking to the deranged.
They are really setting themselves up on this one.
Assume they do find a storm victim with an estate subject to the tax. Not likely, since the people who had the money to get out of the way did so. But assume they're able to find one.
Their use of that person to "push back" then becomes a specious argument that by letting this one family off the hook for estate taxes, they are somehow helping the families of the estimated 2,000 other victims, all of whom would never be subject to the tax in the first place because, uh, they're FUCKING POOR.
I hope they do find that one lone rich guy who died as a result of the storm, because I'd really enjoy watching them step in this one.
They need to pass legislation for an estate tax on poor people, and then move to eliminate the estate tax for both millionaires and poor people.
Kyl is scum.
Fortunately, Jim Pedersen, who got Gov. Napolitano elected, and is both a pretty good Democrat and an AZ native from Casa Grande is going up against him this next election. Kyl is not only scum, he's crooked as most dogs' hind legs, loathes his own constituents and does nothing at all for them. He's been known to run away from them as well. (In case any one wonders, the exact reverse is the case for McCain which is why he will remain.)
Anything Kyl puts his dirty little hands to will be as crooked and horrible as he is.
However, I'm still interested in discussing the merits of tomato aspic, which does not have anything at all to do with either green or multi-coloured Jell-o or jellied gefilte or other fish. The one lives in the world of ladies' tea parties and extremely discreet luncheons and the others, do not. Different cuisines.
Yeah, I saw this on Daily Kos. Couldn't believe it.
Ambulance-chasing is despicable enough but hearse-chasing?!
IIRC the starting number is waaaaaay more than 200K. It had been about six, then was raised to $1M, I think. One of the Democratic congressmen suggested exempting the first $50M if they'd leave the tax as it stands on everything over that, the Repubs said no way --they want it all gone for the likes of the MARS (family) bitch!
The Other Sarah - actually, I think an estate has to be worth in excess of a million for the estate tax to apply. Maybe someone here knows for sure - in the meanwhile, I'll google it.
I've only heard Kyl on Imus.
Sounds like an obsequious turd to me.
How did Time get access to that voicemail?
OMG --
That is horrible even for the GOP
Happily I must now go recreate
Later, Moonbats!
two really good beers still haven't deadened my hatred of this administration and the republican party
g.o.p. fuck you
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A lot of people are going to face hard burdens if we keep the Death Tax on the books.
I know why the Taxocrats want to keep the Death Tax
Has he found any victims of both the hurricane and the estate tax? "Not yet," Apolinsky says. "But I'm still looking."
I'd say we have nothing to worry about as far as the estate tax is concerned. Unless, of course, Trent Lott drops dead unexpectedly.
Current threshold for the estate tax to apply is $1.5 million, set to increase to $3 million in 2007, $5 million in 2009, and sunsetted in 2011.
Of course, they can just use the usual tactic, mentioning "death tax" and "the dead of Katrina" in closely related sentences, creating the impression in the (unfortunately vast) gullible that they want to eliminate taxes on the dead poor of Katrina.
The same tactic that made people think Saddam was responsible for 9/11...
"If we knew anybody that owned a business that lost life in the storm, that would be something we could push back with."
See? See? Someone died and had to pay taxes! UNFAIR! DOUBLE TRIPLE TAXATION pass on to your heirs whats wrong bias liberal hate class war *poof*
Wow, ghoulishly exploiting Katrina victims for an estate tax...kinda like ghoulishly exploiting dead soldiers to oppose the mission in Iraq.
You and him ought to form a club, Atrios!
LOL!
eschaton was just shown (briefly, ever so briefly) on cnn as an example of the internets during jeanne moos's piece on bush's bathroom note at the u.n.
tho no mention of the name, or url, or anything that could actually help the blog.
also, to bill o'reilly: duck you!
The limit for the estate tax to kick in should be raised, not eliminated. It goes up to 1.5 mil, them it expires in 2010(?) and reverts back to 675K, or something ridiculous. Raise to 3 or 4 mil then leave it alone.
Gaah,
This is horrible.
If we can't kill the goddam estate tax repeal now, there is no hope.
THis tax is the only thing that stands between us and the deatyh of our regulated democratic capitalist system due to overconcentration of wealth. Shit -- the system is on life support already. But this would yank the plug right out of the wall....
you know, at this point i'm surprised they haven't used some (fake) image of a black person 'looting' a wal-mart to repeal the voting rights act.
this is close enough of an excuse for me to blogwhore on topic.
Shorter Gary Ruppert:
I'd much rather my kids and grandkids pay off debt plus interest than tax the estates of rich dead people.
Even Shorter Gary Ruppert:
I are stoopid.
You're right, Jennifer. I was going from memory, never a good idea for me. 
The current tax system should be completely scrapped and be replaced by a flat Income Tax of 15% and a nationwide Sales Tax.
All the other taxes are pretty much meaningless and pains for working people.
I can see raising the limit, offering an exemption for a (one) primary residence; it really would suck to see someone whose only large asset is an overvalued house get hit with this thing -- I mean come on, we have hearts over on the left.
Well, my references are from a 2002 estate settlement. I was executrix for my dad.
A family farm, indeed: 160 acres in Yoakum County with no mineral rights and no allotments (fed-speak for price-support eligible acres designated in particular crops) and a 'house well,' which wouldn't support irrigation.
It sold for less than $350 an acre.
The rich don't usually pay taxes but they have to be clever with assorted tax dodges.
The death tax may have something interesting buried in the fine print that makes it favor the rich more that one might expect.
Perhaps someone should look into this.
TheOtherWA - Even better - set the estate tax exemption at the current $1.5 million, and index raising the threshold annually to the CPI. At the same time, create exemptions to address family farms and businesses. Then leave it the fuck alone.
Repeal of the estate tax would actually benefit me personally. But I'm still against it.
When GHW and Babs kick off, how much money will the Bush family save if the estate tax is repealed? Any guesses?
With all the Carlyle Groups acquisitions, the old man may be a billionaire by now, even if he's one of many owners in TCG.
This wouldn't be a crusade for Little Boots born of selfishness, would it?
This wouldn't be a crusade for Little Boots born of selfishness, would it?
It's bigger than that. The regime needs to free up more cash to funnel through the Republican Party.
Hey, thanks to the DA, my estate just went, waaaay up!
Suddenly, I realise I'm, I'm.... I must be a Republican.
Quick, get my lawyer, I must re-draw my will or my heirs will be forced to pay taxes!
Oh. Sorry. UCLA Dept. of History are my heirs.
I'll go back to being a Democrat.
Oh, crap, it (they?) found the new thread...
The radiation is making all of us more stupid as we abide here.
"The current tax system should be completely scrapped and be replaced by a flat Income Tax of 15% and a nationwide Sales Tax."
Yes, my child. And remember, income is wages, salary tips. Not dividends, capital gains or stock options ot anything like that. Nice and simple.
Remember kids.. the Atrios "Crazy Left" says that..
When Republican Jeff Sessions seeks to find examples of Hurricane Victims being victimized by the Estate Tax, that's bad
When Democrat Cindy Sheehan seeks to exploit her dead son to bash Bush, that's good.
Not that stupid flat tax argument again. Rich people already get too damned much stuff for free. I'm all for a real sliding scale such as the (Swedish, I think it is?) way of dealing with moving citations. The fine is based on your income. If Bill Gates get pinched for running a light -- hello new police station. Now, of course our wingnut chattering class here would whine that people would quit their jobs just so they could make illeagle left hand turns on the cheap. Stupid wingers.
I have givenup hope on this country getting anything but dumber and poorer. Let them have their little death tax repeal. They're oing to getr it anyway. Fuck it. The faster the end comes. The easier it will be to (hopefully) pick up the peices.
"Victims" of the estate tax.
The mind reels.
Yep, we've got the Even Shorter Gary Ruppert with us this evening.
When do we get issued jack boots?
I hope Atrios enjoys his time as one of the puppetmasters of the DNC.
Soon the DNC will be wiped off of the Earth
Ak Press has an interesting Chomksy CD from 1995, Class War: The Attack On Working People.
"Victims" of the estate tax.
The mind reels.
Those poor, poor rich people.
Er, I mean, hard-working farmers and small-business owners.
*sniffle*
Tells us about those "victims" of the estate tax again, troll.
My estate planning professor (an old GOPer who actually favored keeping the Estate tax) put it this way:
If you're that rich, and you're still dumb enough to not take advantage of the numerous ways the government provides to get around the tax, then the people should have no qualms about enjoying a "windfall" at your expense.
Ooh, some "common sense," some "personal responsibility," AND maintaining the status quo to keep the rich on top. Even my Rethug relatives don't mind this approach.
None of them are gonna exceed the exempt amount, tho...
have the "panic rooms" been checked?
Maybe Sessions or Kyl would be willing to suck enough NOLA scum to off themselves, just for the cause.
The current tax system should be completely scrapped and be replaced by a flat Income Tax of 15% and a nationwide Sales Tax.
All the other taxes are pretty much meaningless and pains for working people.
Too stupid to understand his income is what will be taxed. and all the things he buys will then have an additional tax on top of the already heavy tax burden sales tax is.
What a fool.
A lot of the people who are relatives of Death Tax victims are much poorer. They have to give up parts of their inheritence for no good reason.
There's no practical reason to tax most of the stuff we tax, like income, inheritance, capital gains, property, all of that.
"much poorer."
Again, the mind reels.
Talk about shitting all over the english language.
should we be worried that yglesias gets a bit wet kiss from Sully?
YGLESIAS AWARD NOMINEE: Hey, a new award, and this time a nice one. It's an award for bloggers - or anyone else for the matter - who are prepared to alienate their core readership with some unpleasant truths. Matt Yglesias wins the first one and gets the eternal glory and fame that comes with a mention on this blog.
Has anyone ever looked at the impact of a 15% across the board tax? I mean everything - income, dividends, profits - everything. And no exemptions for mortgage interest, charitable contributions, IRA's - nothing. Just whatever you make, however you make it, 15% goes to the federal government.
I don't know what would happen. That's why I'm asking.
"two really good beers still haven't deadened my hatred of this administration and the republican party"
keep drinkin but don't know if there's enuf booze in the world to numb ya to hating gooper scum...
There's no practical reason to tax most of the stuff we tax, like income, inheritance, capital gains, property, all of that.
*Has* to be parody.
Soon the DNC will be wiped off of the Earth
Promises, promises.
You resmuglicans never keep your word on anything. EVER!
here's my question: is a troll polluting an internet message board usually a millionaire?
if not, why the fuck do they spout that crap?
you really, truly, absolutely can't take it with you when you die.
it's totally, completely, utterly true that only 1% of the nation's richest are 1% of the population.
it's also true that any analysis of income and wealth trends show a shrinking middle class, and an expanding poor and ultra rich class.
into which of those do our trolls fall?
i've never understood why middle class and poor right wing people will defend the rights of the rich to suck off of all of us. it's not like religion, where the Sky Father commands such. it's not even like abortion, which is another way the right expresses its hatred of women and fear of brown people.
defending the rich, when you're not one of them, is just stupid.
should we be worried that yglesias gets a bit wet kiss from Sully?
Sully's "awards" are just sooooo precious.
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I just hate, hate, hate Rethuglicans. Don't you? They drive big ol' SUVs, cause hurricanes, and strangle puppies. Fight the power!
"Tax the FUCK out of the churches."
Frank said that.
the amazing thing is that what yglesias wrote is actually news to sully.
not news to me.
defending the rich, when you're not one of them, is just stupid.
I wish I could remember where, but I saw a poll which said something along the lines of: 40% of Americans think they're in the top 10% of income.
I probably don't have the percentages exactly right, but it would certainly explain a lot...
There's no practical reason to insist we be paid to work.
--Even Shorter Gary Ruppert.
cdyke nails it. The only reason I can think of is sheer spite: "The rich Republicans may be fucking ME over, but at least they're pissing off liberals!! After all, everyone KNOWS they hate ME!!"
Hmmm, good premise for a ghost story. Rich person's ghost haunts the rebuilt New Orleans gated community. The ghost keeps trying to call someone on his ultra-thin conspicuous consumption mobile phone because no one retrieved his body from the sealed panic-room and no one knows the password.
Caller ID's keep flashing "666" when this far away and very pissed off voice keeps calling people at random demanding to know if they know who he is.
"Tax the FUCK out of the churches."
Sorry, unconstitutional
not news to me.
Atrios
Well, hell, A., that's no trick....
Of course, they can just use the usual tactic, mentioning "death tax" and "the dead of Katrina" in closely related sentences....
Too bad they burned that bridge when they equated "the dead of Katrina" with "black welfare freeloaders too lazy or stupid to get out of the way of a hurricane."
Oh well. Their bad. Damn those kidney stones of Karl Rove's!
The current tax system should be completely scrapped and be replaced by a flat Income Tax of 15% and a nationwide Sales Tax.
Gary Ruppert
I'll be willing to wager that you'd pay more under that system than you are now.
Plus, you'll spend just as much time doing your taxes as you do now, because it's the computation of income, not the computation of the tax that takes all the time.
Not that you're smart enough to understand what I just said.
defending the rich, when you're not one of them, is just stupid.
Word. It is so against their own intrest to think that way, and yet the buy into the propoganda with evey breath hannity and limdick spout.
What we need is an extra large Catapault, to get past the bullshit.
It's called estate planning, not rocket science. Trusts and such. Everything goes to the person's spouse scott free. Only after the spouse dies does any type of estate tax kick in.
The goopers are worried some brat will only be a multimillionaire, and might have to work to become a billionaire. Boo fucking hoo.
This country enabled these people to become ultra rich, so don't they owe the nation a tiny bit of it to KEEP THE COUNTRY at the point others can become successful too?
Geez, the troll sounds like The Eradicator from Kids in the Hall.
[in a cracking, high-pitched voice]
"Another win for the Eradicator! I climb the D-Squash Ladder one rung at a time. Today, you are my rung Armstrong! Don't try to follow me, I have a cab waiting. Eradicator!!"
...
"You will now spend each moment between now and the match worrying. Every minute will be a universe of terror, a marathon of fear!"
now that sully has pissed off powertools, instacracker, phewitt, and the hairless hack, he's looking for love on the left.
I enjoy what you've been writing for Corrente, CD.
Keep the blogwhoring coming!
Gary Ruppert wants to impose a Sales Tax?
Proof, if anyone needed it, that Gary hates the poor.
LOL! Now go kill yourself.
"Tax the FUCK out of the churches."
Sorry, unconstitutional
Just where in the constitution does it say "thou shalt not tax the church"?
The overwhelming majority of farms don't qualify for the estate tax anyway.
Any farm big enough to qualify for the estate tax is run by people smart enough to take the proper precautions to minimize the bite.
Time and again highly respected ag economists make those points.
Cargill, the grain merchandising company is, I believe, the largest privately owned company in the world (or is Walmart?) so repeal of the estate tax actually helps the people who make their livelihood making a % rather than producing the commodities.
Doesn't stop the Farm Bureau from pimping for repeal all the time. Can Thomas Frank explain this?
erm, i meant to say "the richest 1% are 1% of the population." sorry.
Has anyone ever looked at the impact of a 15% across the board tax? I mean everything - income, dividends, profits - everything. And no exemptions for mortgage interest, charitable contributions, IRA's - nothing. Just whatever you make, however you make it, 15% goes to the federal government.
I don't know what would happen. That's why I'm asking.
Dee | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 7:25 pm | #
iirc, the calls for a flat tax never deal with total wealth, only income. a study like you propose would possibly increase overall taxation, and thus never be supported by our current flat taxers.
people, it's not about a tax on individual wealth. iirc, via my last state tax mailing, corps in this country pay ~3% of their income in taxes. often, even less. to the point of getting refunds while the rest of us pay taxes.
"real" taxation of the individual is something like 60-80%. when you count fees, state and local taxes, sales tax, and other 'built in' taxation costs, a majority of your dollar, spent in any way, goes to your gov't. i saw think years ago in an analysis by a paper, back when we had a free media. only those who live off dividends get any kind of break, that is, people who already have enough in the bank not to work.
but then again, everyone but our troll knows this.
Churches can stay tax-exempt if they stay the fuck out of politics.
Deal?
The thing is that trolls believe that one day the estate tax will apply to them.
Sad.
P O'Neill--not a chance. He'll be on his knees to the right again in a nanosecond. He can't get over his need to be accepted as one of the kewl kidz.
justice bought justice blind out of sight out of mind
they will be dismissed if they try to resist
a wage is a chain taken on with consent
why own slaves when it is cheaper to rent
no one sees the poverty watching winners on tv
wishing in a well that is dug down to hell
we toss in our coins hoping we too can join
the masters of our fate
but we are too late
The thing is that trolls believe that one day the estate tax will apply to them.
I think a lot of Republican voters either think they're rich or that they will be someday.
Uncle Smokes, was that one of yours?
Just where in the constitution does it say "thou shalt not tax the church"?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
If you tax churches, you make it much harder for them to exist.
As well, I don't see why churches should be banned from talking about political issues.
Taxing = Prohibiting?
Wow.
I think a lot of Republican voters either think they're rich or that they will be someday.
Well, we've all have that dream.
But some people think the government is gonna make that happen.
Fools.
As well, I don't see why churches should be banned from talking about political issues.
Gary Ruppert
Idiot. No one's making that argument.
But debating a shit-for-brains like you is a waste of time.
Now, how about offing yourself?
But some people think the government is gonna make that happen.
But only if we get rid of it!
Eli, like I said: the poor english language will never be the same.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Funny, but I dont see any words in that amendment that says anything about taxing the church.
Aint that a bitch?
Just where in the constitution does it say "thou shalt not tax the church"?
The bit from the first amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
However, given the increasing politcal role played by many (thus far) tax-exempt religious orginizations, I'd have to say:
If taxation without representation is tyranny, then representation without taxation is skullduggery.
I can't fuckin' believe Duncan has the brass to call himself an economist. That is just the shit.
Oh, now we get the bargain troll. Sheesh.
Captain Goto: yes.
There's nothing in the Constitution about taxing churches, dumbass.
They are tax exempt on the basis of being non-profit, non-political organizations. There are quite a few of them already who do not legitimately qualify for tax-exempt status.
As to the Church/Tax thing. The deal is the Churches don't pay taxes but they stay out of politics. The churches (some of the red state mega churches anyway) have broken their end of the deal. There have been several instances where churches have violated their tax exempt status restrictions with reguard to for-profit activities forbidden to them under their non-profit charters. The freedom of religion is freedom to practice your religion, not freedom of the church to do any damn thing it wants to.
Good one, Unc.
As well, I don't see why churches should be banned from talking about political issues.
I don't see why everyone isn't allowed to attend speeches by Bush and Cheney.
Or any other political speech/event.
Eli: "think they are that rich or will be someday"
"& if not...well, I'd want the estate tax repealed if I *were* rich!"
s' what I like to call "upward empathy"-- or, as Scott Fitzgerald said about Ernest Hemingway, "he is always willing to give a helping hand to a man on a ledge a little higher up"
If taxation without representation is tyranny, then representation without taxation is skullduggery.
And what's really sad is that we've managed to pull off both. The people who are being taxed aren't represented, and the people who are being represented aren't paying taxes.
Sigh.
As Jennifer gets in juuuuuust before me. Well done!
Uncle Smokes, that's so cool!
some people think the government is gonna make that happen.
Gosh I don't know of anyone who thinks that. I do know of some people who believe in "We the people" not "ME the people."
That means, you know, helping out your fellow human being.
Churches that own a lot of property should be taxed on their holdings.
If they run something for profit, and most do, then those proceeds should be subject to taxation just like any other for profit.
Eli, re your last comment, remind me to kill myself later.
"Sigh" is right...
Captain Goto and Uncle Smokes - as I said, today we've got the Even Shorter Gary Ruppert troll.
As in:
Even Shorter Gary Ruppert:
I are stoopid.
The freedom of religion is freedom to practice your religion, not freedom of the church to do any damn thing it wants to.
Yes. "Practice", not "impose".
Bankrolled by Mr Soros, Euro Economy Wrecker.
The British Conservatives have latched on to the flat tax now. They are going round saying how well it is doing in Estonia.
We even had one of your former Republicans, on the BBC saying the flat tax is the most wonderful idea yet, and it is only idiot politicians who will not implement the idea. Because, you know, govt always does things wrong.
Of course the Conservatives won’t say what the flat tax rate would be. Some economist worked it out that at British spending levels, the flat tax would have to be at 37%. So this would mean a huge tax increase for the majority.
Greed is good is taking over the world, bad things are coming!
The churches (some of the red state mega churches anyway) have broken their end of the deal.
Tax Joel Osteen.
Tax Rick Warren.
Tax James Dobson.
Tax T.D. Jakes.
Tax Paris Hilton.
oops, wrong church. Tax that bitch anyway.
"Tax the FUCK out of the churches."
Sorry, unconstitutional
Gary Ruppert
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Boy, you are one goofy mofo. Unconstitutional?
You need to enroll in a high school civics class, Einstein. You know about as much about the Constitution as you know about quantum mechanics.
When are the SOros checks gonna be delivered, again?
That means, you know, helping out your fellow human being.
Well, yeah, exactly.
As long as they're rich.
But only if we get rid of it!
That and tax cuts.
More, please, sez Oliver.
This is pretty funny how all you Robespierresque fucktards are obsessing about taxing churches. Oooh, that's so radical.
These rich fucks are really getting to me. I'm ready to go Incog on those motherfuckers...
Tax Pat Robertson, for goodness sakes!
LC, why don't you just call Soros a dirty jew like you know you're dying to.
Dunky would be driving a Yugo without Mr Soros' support.
Uncle Smokes - nice - very.
You can take the man out of Plato's Retreat, but you can't take Plato's retreat out of the man. John Bolton:
"Reform is not a one-night stand," [Bolton] says. "Reform is forever."
What "clubs" in NYC might Bolton not be reforming?
Speaking of taxing churches, does anyone know what happened to this guy?
http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/fw...9603/
legal.html
Tax Pat Robertson, for goodness sakes!
smalfish
Nah, just take away his diamond mine.
And extradite him to Venezuela.
Good times!
And what's really sad is that we've managed to pull off both.
As Bill Moyers said about "people who turn faith-based initiatives into Karl Rove’s slush fund; who encourage the pious to look heavenward and pray so as not to see the long arm of privilege and power picking their pockets."
Come the revolution all trolls will be rounded up and sent to re-education camps.
No, not for political correctness; for remedial math ya dumb fucks!
Maybe the bargain troll thinks that if he posts his black-hole-for-a-brain one-liners here, the few wingers that show up here might smack their foreheads and say, "Oh, NO! Without the bargain troll's witty interjections, I might have slipped away from the warm embrace of wingnuttery and toyed with the idea of having an open mind!!
Or, maybe, he's just a stupid cunt with Mississippi River sewage for brains.
"Dirty Jew?" No, that's the underlying sentiment of the Sheehanites. Nice try, though.
If we could tax ignorance and willful stupidity we wouldn't have need for this conversation.
When are the SOros checks gonna be delivered, again?
smalfish
As soon as Gary Ruppert finishes giving all of us guys blow jobs.
You know, again.
Greed is good is taking over the world, bad things are coming!
Oh, bullshit.
Greed has always been alive and well.
Tena --
We pay taxes on our proerty (except the land that the church building itself stands on) -- we own a lot of woods -- every decade of so we sell some timber
We receive guests & have a suggested donation, but it is not required -- some people give more -- some have n othing to give (sometimes we feed & clothe people & send them on their way with some money after a couple of days)
We don't sell anything "not directly connected with the purpose of the institute" so as to avoid the whole income tax question
I can't give to political campaigns or work in them
We pay lots of taxes -- but not personal federal income taxes (I have no personal income)
"Dirty Jew?" No, that's the underlying sentiment of the Sheehanites. Nice try, though.
Lenin's Cock
Jesus. Rove is paying for this shit?
Dunky would be driving a Yugo without Mr Soros' support.
I actually got a glimpse of Atrios' Ferrari. That Mr. Soros is one generous fella! I hope he notices my many talents!
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Central - that's not gonna happen, because if we taxed those, Chimpy would be a pauper.
This is pretty funny how all you Robespierresque fucktards are obsessing about taxing churches. Oooh, that's so radical.
Lenin's Cock
And who is this silly motherfucker that is soiling the board?
Lenin's Cocksucker? Rob, is that you?
If we could tax ignorance and willful stupidity
...hell, the trolls on this thread alone would pay off 50 years of T-bills.
Jesus. Rove is paying for this shit?
Paranoia will destroy ya. So will your rank fucking stupidity.
Evenin' moonbats,
Just got here. Wassup? Trolls?
I've been reading up on Grover "Drown the Governmentin a Bathtub" Norquist.
He's married to a Palestinian, and some conservs refer to him as an Islamist.
Funny.
I hate the fucker.
Hi Tena!
If you tax churches, you make it much harder for them to exist.
Utter, total bullshit.
Churches aren't taxed because of the notion that they perform services benefiting the public good that make up for the tax.
No one has mentioned that tax benefits the clergy receive. One of my dearest friends is a minister and she gets all sorts of tax write offs normal humans would never imagine.
Of course, I feel she's entitled, she spends 20 hours a day working on behalf of the homeless and the imprisoned. But someone like that fat slob Rick Warren who is rolling in cash from his bullshit driven book ... tax the FUCK out of him.
As soon as Gary Ruppert finishes giving all of us guys blow jobs.
You know, again.
David (Austin Tx)
You know, I'm just as gay as the next guy, but I do not want that scumbag slobbing my knob.
Let him suck Ann Coulter's dick. You know he wants to.
Tax Joel Osteen.
Tax Rick Warren.
Tax James Dobson.
Tax T.D. Jakes.
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That Osteen guy is beyond creepy.
A fascinating specimen who induces vomiting and nausea. T.D.Jakes also is repugnant in his fancy suits and phony gospel crusade. Why are people so into this crap? Even the youth are putzing around like Children of the Corn with extreme Bibles in hand. I shouldn't post, I can't contain my revulsion towards these sickos.
Sorry
It's sad how little influence the rich have on fiscal policy. That tax break on Hummers was an obvious gift to Big Poor.
http://
seattletimes.nwsource.com..._katcost17.html
Did anyone catch this article (cover story in todays Seattle Times). Scared the shit out of me. Particularly lines like this:
Taxpayers will pay about $208 billion for the fiscal year starting Oct. 1 simply to cover interest costs on that debt. That's more than 25 times next year's $8.2 billion budget for the Environmental Protection Agency, illustrating that exploding deficits impose large costs on taxpayers
Oh, bullshit.
Greed has always been alive and well.
pie
So you are happy about the way the world is going are you Pie?
So I take it you don't mind if Bush gets rid of the death tax. What little fairness in the system that has been put there in the last 100 years is being taken away. So glad you are happy with that.
Why do Cindy Sheehan and her supporters hate Jews? Just askin'.
If you tax churches, you make it much harder for them to exist.
And?
Sorry if I missed it in this thread, but I recall seeing on a blog recently an item from Newsweek which said that the number of estates in Louisiana, Florida and Alabama currently taxable under the estate tax is something like 1600, or 1/25 of 1 percent. Can someone tell me where to find it? If so, you're swell.
Tax break on Hummers?
Why wasn't I told!!?
(consults escort directory)
As well, I don't see why churches should be banned from talking about political issues.
Gary Ruppert
Idiot. No one's making that argument.
i will.
imagine you are a member of a group of 100 people living on an island. imagine that you all share limited resources for food and water, and comfortable living space. you're all equal in that you only have the resources of the island, held in common, although individual traits are just that, and vary.
imagine that 10 of you think planting more coconut trees is a good idea, and they go off and do so. imagine that 10 more think building a hydroelectic generator on a stream is a good idea, and do so. imagine that 10 more think fishing is a good idea, and do so. imagine every set of ten coming up with ways to make something from the island's resources and people, and went off to do so in their own ways.
imagine that all 100 had voted that the groups could trade and share as they saw fit. imagine that this system allowed everyone to do what they wanted, and at the same time produced enough food, water, power and shelter for everyone to live comfortably.
now imagine one group of ten who differed.
instead of working to provide food, shelter or civilization to the group, they decided instead that everyone in the group should give up what they made, grew or built to the Invisible Sky Fairy- by way of his representatives. imagine that the ISF never shows itself, and only "speaks" to its representatives, the nonworking ten. imagine that these 10 demanded that they never had to work, or build or think- so they could spend all their time "communicating" with the ISF. imagine if they told the other 90 people that the ISF should choose the island's leadership, and dictate who got what share of what resource. imgaine the ISF's 'representatives' said that they should always be involved in the important decision making on the island.
in such a system, what would you do?
vote the ISFers off the island, or just eat them?
Why do Cindy Sheehan and her supporters hate Jews? Just askin'.
Lenin's Cock
Why hasn't LC wandered into traffic yet?
A gordon by any other name would smell.
Nice one, cdyke, but the nutjobs will never get past the "limited resources" thing.
After all, the Invisible Sky Fairy will always provide, if you're holy enough.
So sez the practicing Lutheran, anyway.
CD, bwahahaha! Nicely done.
Prior - I thought that religious orgs paid taxes on some property.
Here's what I'm talking about. I sound like a broken record, but this county is like a lab sample or something. There is a Christian youth camp called Camp Red Cloud, here. It was started by some people who were probably sincere. Some other people got involved and they somehow raised enough money to buy the adjoining ranch - for $4 million. They aren't affiliated with any church that anyone can find out about. This group is buying property all over the place up here. They have built a huge stable for their huge number of thoroughbred horses.
They aren't the only ones, either. Another "ministry" came in here and bought a lodge.
Every bit of the property I've just described has been taken off the country tax roles. It is killing us and there's no excuse for it. Those orgs should be paying taxes. They are making shitloads of money from somewhere.
Cherchez les juifs.
sally, (or are you mush something?),
Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth?
Prior Aelred reminds me that there's probably a lot of Republican Henry VIII's out there that would leap at the chance to seize Church property.
That is why a religious organization directly participanting in politics is playing a dangerous game.
The Establishment clause is a double protection--to keep government from being dominated by one religious sect, and to prevent government from interfering with religious affairs.
“Lenin's Cock “
Once again the trolls are fantasising about a left wing penis!
"If we knew anybody that owned a business that lost life in the storm, that would be something we could push back with."
Anyone surprised?
They don't care about anything or anyone unless it makes a shitload of money.....
and votes Repug!
So you are happy about the way the world is going are you Pie?
No, you stupid, incredibly clueless person.
Hi Shaw!
How do you get rid of counterfeit money? Put it in the collection plate at church!
- George Carlin
sally chalks one up...
pie, sally, play nice or I'll hafta separate yinz two...
Every bit of the property I've just described has been taken off the country tax roles. It is killing us and there's no excuse for it. Those orgs should be paying taxes. They are making shitloads of money from somewhere.
Tena
Shit, girl, that ain't nothing but a tax dodge. As long as the freaking repukes are in control, I guess we can expect such shennanigans.
Speaking on behalf of pie, I think it's quite clear she wasn't defending greed, merely pointing out that it is always with us. People now are just more shameless and face far fewer barriers in its unbridled pursuit.
I wish some snarky Dem would introduce a bill to impose criminal charges for avarice, and tout it as Biblically-based legislation.
As well, I don't see why churches should be banned from talking about political issues.
Gary Ruppert
You don't seem to understand a lot of things, do you?
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If you tax churches, you make it much harder for them to exist.
Goooood!
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Uncle Smokes and the Prior are so right - the churches being political is a double-edged sword. It's going to swing back and do some damage.
Once again the trolls are fantasising about a left wing penis!
That's kinda homophobic, albeit misspelled.
defending the rich, when you're not one of them, is just stupid.
But all the trolls do just that.
Thanks, Jen!
pie, sally, play nice or I'll hafta separate yinz two...
Who asked you?
God the founders of this nation were brilliant. Why do the Republicans hate the founding fathers?
Jennifer, instead of avarice, how about usury instead?
Granted, we might have some trouble getting that by Lieberbiden...
vote the ISFers off the island, or just eat them?
chicago dyke | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 7:51 pm
pretty nice analogy, dahlin'
didja ever read hayakawa's Language in thought and action? he was an early acolyte of Krzybsky's General Sementics...before he went batshit crazy and fell in with Reagan and his moronic coterie...there's a chapter early in the book in which he contrasts two possible social responses to the necessity inherent in capitalism for a class of unemployed...
i won't spoil it fer ya...
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Tena, bet ya lotsa quatloos that the first faith-based org to get stomped on by the gov't will be some social justice bunch like the Thomas Merton folks--who, natch, don't have a pot to piss in anyway, AFAIK.
tena- you have mail.
Why do Cindy Sheehan and her supporters hate Jews? Just askin'.
Lenin's Cock
CS and her supporters hate only some Jews.
CS and her supporters hate only some Christians.
CS and her supporters hate only some Muslims.
Ah Prior, if only you and others like you were the representation of Christianity in this country, many of us would lose a good deal of our anger at religion in general. Sadly we are responding to what gets shoved in our faces, and in yours too I imagine. We know there are good folks out there who pray in earnest and spread the gospel in earnest and I assure you, that our ire is not for such as they. The Church had it's turn at ruling nations and let's face it they are no better at it than any other collection of humans. Good intentions not withstanding, the powers that be all too often kept reporting that the voice of God, communicating through the proper chain of command, (i.e. them), had commanded war.
But then, you know all of this. Maybe next year at EschaCon we can capture a troll and show him the instruments. (I keeed, I keeed. A bit.)
God the founders of this nation were brilliant. Why do the Republicans hate the founding fathers?
You answered your own question.
"Not yet," Apolinsky says. "But I'm still looking."
A competent and functioning left wing noise machine would use this as an example of who the estate tax actually benefits, given that the victims of Katrina were overwhelmingly poor. I have no idea why Apolinsky would give the other side ammunition like that.
vote the ISFers off the island, or just eat them?
That was priceless.
I love you, Chicago Dyke...in a confirmed-bachelor-who-knows-Auntie-Mame-by-heart sort of way, of course.
efending the rich, when you're not one of them, is just stupid.
But all the trolls do just that.
No, the people who vote for repubs do that.
That includes the trolls, who are not poor.
CS and her supporters hate only some Jews.
CS and her supporters hate only some Christians.
CS and her supporters hate only some Muslims.
Ah, but it's those damn, dirty Jews they really hate.
Taxpayers will pay about $208 billion for the fiscal year starting Oct. 1 simply to cover interest costs on that debt.
Oh! In that case, I think we need another round of tax cuts!
Ah Prior, if only you and others like you were the representation of Christianity in this country, many of us would lose a good deal of our anger at religion in general. Sadly we are responding to what gets shoved in our faces, and in yours too I imagine. We know there are good folks out there who pray in earnest and spread the gospel in earnest and I assure you, that our ire is not for such as they.
Amen.
So to speak.
I have no idea why Apolinsky would give the other side ammunition like that.
ben
Because the other side, sadly, doesn't yet understand that it's at war.
Shit, girl, that ain't nothing but a tax dodge.
Well yeah.
But as long as the county lets them get away with it - it's a legitimate tax dodge.
You don't seem to understand a lot of things, do you?
heh...heh...heh...
tear that ass up, girl.
'sup, tc?
When Democrat Cindy Sheehan seeks to exploit her dead son to bash Bush, that's good.
Gary Ruppert
Ruppert is a fucking piece of shit!
I hope he gets cancer and rots in hell!
What me worry?
WGG- no. email me with some refs and i'll check it out. although, i confess: i tend to fall asleep after more than 25pp of semiotics, lit theory or econ. give me some hard core trilingual translating, i'm there all night. but lately, too much text....bores me.
i think it's because i'm so angry. i can't sit still long enough to "properly engage" the material.
However, I'm still interested in discussing the merits of tomato aspic,
If you're truly interested, I'll ask my Sister. She insist on tomato aspic at Xmas, believe she makes her own.
vote the ISFers off the island, or just eat them?
chicago dyke
I'd like to boil them first.
Pie,
You said I was talking ‘Bullshit.’ As I was complaining about the drive to cut taxes around the world, I asked you a question. There was no putting words in your mouth, just asking if you agreed with Bush.
No need to get so uppity
I'm living for the day when they hold flea markets in all those empty mega churches. Pray to God I live that long.
'sup, tc?
Billy B
Hey, Billy!
We sure need some troll spray tonight, don't we?
I hope he gets cancer and rots in hell!
Said with leftist love.
Why has church property grown so vast as to have become a source of such acquisitive predations?
i mean: why does the church have so much property, when so many have nothing? and why does the church contribute no taxes to support the services they enjoy with the rest of society...
i consider the padre a friend, especially on the event of our acquaintanceship at EschaCon, but i am not convinced by vows of poverty which stand upon billions in tax-exempt real estate...
nuthin personal...
Sorry for this but...
OK, this one is really making me scratch my head:
"Cindy Sheehan=Bob Denver"
I'm guessing it's meant to be clever. But for the life of me I can't figure it out.
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Is Lenin's Cock circumsized?
So what Sessions is doing is bad, but flogging Casey Sheehan's corpse is good?
Jesus. Rove is paying for this shit?
Death of Rats
Can't be much, though.
He's only gotta pay more than the trolls make at Mickey D's, etc.
But, hey, they're all gonna be mega-rich someday, right?
In their dreams.
I'm guessing it's meant to be clever. But for the life of me I can't figure it out.
Me neither, but I bet they're pissing themselves at their own cleverness.
Or for no particular reason at all.
Unc, this straight dude has to admit to a flash of sadness when I saw cdyke's rather fine pic at Dohiyi Mir.
I know, I know. Only a pig would put it that way...
Pops open new can of Troll-Repellant Bat Spray™ & tosses to Terry C.
Here ya go!
Terry C, you are one of the dumber fuckers posting here at Dunky's Leftwit Echo Chamber. And that's saying something.
just asking if you agreed with Bush.
How long have you been commenting here?
Not as long as I have, little girl/man.
I have no idea why Apolinsky would give the other side ammunition like that.
The arrogance borne of near total control have made many Republicans sloppy, allowing voice mails, emails, and memos and such to get out into the press.
Unc, this straight dude has to admit to a flash of sadness when I saw cdyke's rather fine pic at Dohiyi Mir.
Dammit, my allotment is only one "Amen" per night.
Shaw sez:
I'd like to boil them first.
Then it's settled: we'll send them to Uzbekistan.
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So what Sessions is doing is bad, but flogging Casey Sheehan's corpse is good?
hat
Oh, if it isn't the King of All Tedium!
my allotment is only one "Amen" per night.
:D
Well, I'm back. Never will be Mrs Snow was beautiful and I am destroyed. Fuck. What the hell?
Terry C, you are one of the dumber fuckers posting here at Dunky's Leftwit Echo Chamber. And that's saying something.
Cindy Sheehan=Bob Denver
And you're one of the most classless.
You must be REAL popular with women!
When Democrat Cindy Sheehan seeks to exploit her dead son to bash Bush, that's good.
Gary Ruppert
Damn son, you ain't too swift, are you?
Bash the chimp? No, you addle-headed turkey, she is pissed about the war.
I have a suggestion, Rupppppeee. Blow the pilot light out on your gas stove, turn that bitch on, wait 15 minutes, and flick your bic. That would be a fitting end for you. OK, ignatz.
God damn you are stupid.
Eli -
Anything on SciFi tonight?
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You must be REAL popular with women!
I suspect the $2 per minute types are mad crazy about his credit card number.
Why is this kid's noble cause pissing off the police?
http://tinyurl.com/9zo4v
Unc, this straight dude has to admit to a flash of sadness when I saw cdyke's rather fine pic at Dohiyi Mir.
Reminds me of a moment from a family vacation, where my brother and I finished breakfast early and asked to be excused.
Mom, knowing that nearby was a newsstand with readily available Playboy magazines (this was pre-Ed Meese times), said, "Okay, but remember: It's all right to be curious, but don't look."
I'm still working that one out.
Fucking ghouls.
Mother fuck the fucking GOP.
"How long have you been commenting here? "
Pie
What has that got to do with the price of fish?
I know you don’t agree with Bush, so why are you attacking me? You claimed I was talking bullshit, and that is what I responded too. I don’t know what the problem is, and frankly I don’t care.
So what Sessions is doing is bad, but flogging Casey Sheehan's corpse is good?
hat
Busy little worker drone.
Wow.
And, trust me, I know Dumbfucks as only the Dumbfuckest can.
Terry C, you are one of the dumber fuckers posting here at Dunky's Leftwit Echo Chamber. And that's saying something.
Cindy Sheehan=Bob Denver
Not hardly, pus-bag. As you just experienced at 8:09, tc just sliced and diced your ass.
Want to try again, bumpbump?
Anything on SciFi tonight?
Dude! Dracula 3000!
Casper Van Dien!
Erika Eleniak!
COOLIO!!!!
It's all right to be curious, but don't look.
One more for you, Unc... :-D
Sick fuckers. I'd be ashamed to live if I held views like Session, DeLie and the like. I really have a hard time believing those folks are fully human.
Sorry...I wasn't paying attention after "Erika Eleniak."
Cool-who?
And, trust me, I know Dumbfucks as only the Dumbfuckest can.
Cindy Sheehan=Bob Denver
You don't have to convince me.
I know you don’t agree with Bush, so why are you attacking me?
I don't know, because you said something stupid?
Yeah. That's it.
Nazi trolls fuck off
I get these mental pictures of everybody as they post, and the trolls always wind up looking like Linda Blair:
"Your mother sucks dicks in Hell"
"John Kerry was a coward"
"Cindy Sheehan hates Jews"
Or maybe Chucky.
Just cartoons really. Not like proper trolls -- the old sufficiency arguments, now there were some talented trolls. These things here are like cheap plastic shit at Wal-Mart or something.
Ted is morphing at an even faster rate than usual. His man god has been falling in popularity faster than mouldy brussel sprouts and he can't handle it. He can't take it. He's bet his entire manhood on Bush and Bush is going down.
Let's sit back and enjoy the show. Just remember they're all Ted and he's no Alec Guiness.
Well, I saw Cindy today at Cambridge Common and she was all that and a bag of chips, so there!
Casper Van Dien!
Erika Eleniak!
COOLIO!!!!
Casper van Dien! He's dreeeeeamy!
[swoon]
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I meant Erika Eleniak.
Really.
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Thanks, Spork--that column was good.
y'all
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I have a suggestion, Rupppppeee. Blow the pilot light out on your gas stove, turn that bitch on, wait 15 minutes, and flick your bic. That would be a fitting end for you
Hahahahahahahah. Even hell won't accept the moronic hate trolls.
I meant Erika Eleniak.
Really.
Right. Let's see Erika Eleniak try to play a sexy archeologist facing off against a 42-foot mummy. The believability just isn't there.
Why don't they just go ahead and whack someone? Could be a Democratic supporter, but rich. That way they could say "see, you guys need the help too!" It's only slightly more evil than what they're doing now.
Frank Rich:
ONCE Toto parts the curtain, the Wizard of Oz can never be the wizard again. He is forever Professor Marvel, blowhard and snake-oil salesman. Hurricane Katrina, which is likely to endure in the American psyche as long as L. Frank Baum's mythic tornado, has similarly unmasked George W. Bush.
*[bowing down and raising hands over head]*
I heart heart heart Frank Rich
Let's see Erika Eleniak try to play a sexy archeologist facing off against a 42-foot mummy. The believability just isn't there.
I'm sure you're right.
Who the hell is Erika Eleniak anyway?
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Eli--all set for Dracula 3000?
Let's sit back and enjoy the show. Just remember they're all Ted and he's no Alec Guiness.
EPT
Is the pissant ted or rob? Or are the two one in the same?
I guess it really doesn't matter as none of these dipshits have any game.
Toby is the "smartest", for lack of a better term, and he's an easy mark.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
The rest of these pimps got nothing. They are still under the impression that "I know you are, but what am I" is a stunning putdown.
Hey Ao!
Been meaning to ask, do you live in Philly or did you just reside there for a # of years? It was a real treat getting a small tour and the historic background of that fine city from you. You the man!
Is someone actually responding to a moronic brownshirt fuck?
Why???
Tena --
Maybe we are overly scrupulous (probably a good thing) but the situation you are talking about is a terrible abuse -- almost as bad as parents sending their kids to whites only "religious" schools trying to count tuition as a charitable donation (which happened under the Carter adminstration which is why there are so many more restrictions on the income genration activities of religious orders than their used to be) -- if the ranch doesn't serve a religious purpose, it should, under existing law, be taxed
Even hell won't accept the moronic hate trolls.
They're doomed to haunt the brush at the Crawford ranchette, rattling a half-full bag of Cheetos and moaning, "Wheeeere's myyyyy rewaaaaard? Wheeeere's myyyyy rewaaaaaaaaard?"
Believability? in the same sentence as "Erika Eleniak"??!?
The word "irrelevance" comes to mind...
Alas, after tomorrow Rich and Krugman and Herbert disappear behind the pay-wall.
Of course, through the magic of the internets I'm sure we'll get to read them anyway.
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Who the hell is Erika Eleniak anyway?
She was the eye candy in Chase, with Charlie Sheen, who ironically enough takes her hostage *with* a candy bar, IIRC. I think she was also Daisy Duke or whoever in the Beverly Hillbillies movie.
Eli--all set for Dracula 3000?
You know it.
New motto for the Republican party-
we want to see dead people.
The last election just laid the foundation of the next 500 years of Dark Ages.
Zappa 1981
bigvic
Born there, raised there, work there with a few detours along the way.
Alas, after tomorrow Rich and Krugman and Herbert disappear behind the pay-wall.
Of course, through the magic of the internets I'm sure we'll get to read them anyway.
Sigh.
On the one hand, I'd be willing to pony up the dough to satisfy my Krugman/Rich jones, but on the other, I don't want to encourage those NYT fuckers.
GO VOLS!!!
spork, if (for some reason I can't fathom) you ever saw the Steven Seagal vehicle about the ex-seal who fought off Tommy Lee Jones and the other terra-ists on the US Navy cruiser, Erika Eleniak was the babe who jumped out of the captain's cake.
In a most sea-worthy fashion, I must say.
Ted always gives himself away by his OC over Atrios (classic Oedipus complex), his OC approach to women and his constant yelling of "bigot" at all of us. He can't help it, he always gives himself away in the end. No matter how many names he posts under and how many disguises he takes from his jr. spy kit.
91% Ted, that's the formula for the troll scat you see.
Prior - I know it is an extreme example. It's just alarming because it seems to be a bit of a trend up here.
Lake City has always been church-y - the oldest church on the western slope is here (it's Presbyterian). This tiny community supports that church, an Episcopal church (tiny tiny), a Catholic church, a Baptist church, a Methodist church and two independent ministries: Glory to Glory and another one. And that doesn't even get to Camp Red Cloud, Ute Trail Camp or this new "ministry" out here that bought the lodge.
See what I mean?
Fuck Dracula 3000.
I wanna see Assisted Living Dracula like right now, beeyotch!
Hahahahahahahah. Even hell won't accept the moronic hate trolls.
bigvic
vic - they can float around as poltergeists. Shit, I will invite them over to my place, where I'll emanate a bunch of boiled egg and beer farts.
That way, they can float around with their lover.
And while I'm at it: what the hell is a "Dracula 3000?" Is it a robot vampire? Is it a vampire flick set in the year 3000? Is it the amount of blood expressed in calories Dracula must have daily?
I want answers, dammit!
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WGG --
I agree -- just pointing out that we don't have billions of dollars worth of tax except real estate (or billions of dollars worth of anything, really) -- the only tax except property we have is what our (tiny) church stands on -- we pay shitloads of property taxes & we pay sales taxes (which we could get out of, but we don't think that would be fair as long as we do things like use the roads & c.)
In case I haven't mentioned it before, MJS at Corrente is the funniest damn songwriter ever -- or at least a tie with our own filkertom.
I'd be willing to pony up the dough to satisfy my Krugman/Rich jones, but on the other, I don't want to encourage those NYT fuckers.
Eli
How much is it? $50/year?
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You must be REAL popular with women!
Terry C,
Real popular with this woman. Heh.
And while I'm at it: what the hell is a "Dracula 3000?" Is it a robot vampire? Is it a vampire flick set in the year 3000? Is it the amount of blood expressed in calories Dracula must have daily?
I want answers, dammit!
Dracula... In... SPAAAAAACE...
91% Ted, that's the formula for the troll scat you see.
EPT
Muchos gracias.
How much is it? $50/year?
Yep. I can afford it, I just don't want to reward wankers for wanking.
Captain Goto sez:
if (for some reason I can't fathom) you ever saw the Steven Seagal vehicle
I'm happy to say I've never ruined my beautiful mind watching Seagal. Though I did read a VF article a couple years ago that claimed he's mobbed-up.
[shrug]
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reward wankers for wanking
Now there's an idea for a website!!!!
Will someone 'splain what the deal with the trackback link is?
I just don't want to reward wankers for wanking.
Come, come now. Wanking is its own reward.
Did I just say that out loud?
be afriad, little troll. your "girlfriend" will like me better, i promise:
By MARTHA IRVINE, AP National Writer 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
More women — particularly those in their late teens and 20s — are experimenting with bisexuality or at least feel more comfortable reporting same-sex encounters, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The survey, released Thursday by the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics, found that 11.5 percent of women, ages 18 to 44, said they've had at least one sexual experience with another woman in their lifetimes, compared with about 4 percent of women, ages 18 to 59, who said the same in a comparable survey a decade earlier.
For women in their late teens and 20s, the percentage rose to 14 percent in the more recent survey. About 6 percent of men in their teens and 20s said they'd had at least one same-sex encounter.
While those who conducted the survey took measures to protect respondents' privacy, researchers say it's unclear whether the figure for men was lower because they're are more likely to avoid same-sex experiences or whether they're not reporting them.........
what was i saying about fisting again?
Hi Prior Aelred, I'm glad your here, along with others. I'm not sure I could keep my sanity in East TN if I had not discovered Eschaton.
My hope is that good will win over evil.
I'm happy to say I've never ruined my beautiful mind watching Seagal. Though I did read a VF article a couple years ago that claimed he's mobbed-up.
My sister's a professional photographer who has photographed just about everyone. Her scouting report on SS was that he was not very bright and kinda weird/crazy.
When she told him about her affinity with the Navajo and all the time she spent on the reservation with them, he got very excited and said, "Let's go there. Right now." Very odd.
Okay Eli, you buy it and give us the password, k?
How many cranks,
Would a wanker wank,
If a wanker could wank cranks?
I thought Kristy Swanson was the eye candy in 'the Chase.'
Also, I dunno if anyone else watches MadTV, but Will Sasso's Steven Seagal impression is fucking brilliant.
Wow.
Flipping through the channels to find showtime for Dracula 3000 and came across Bill Clinton on CNN, some kind of "World Summit" discussion.
There is much he did that I did not like, but damn is he good at discussing the issues--a casual command of information without a script and a succint manner of speech.
No matter how I felt during the 90's, at the core I had the secure feeling borne of having a leader who did his job thoroughly and thoughtfully.
That secure feeling has long departed.
AO, Eli,
I think my subscription to the Times is over 100 bucks a year. I pay it in advance which makes it cheaper by far. The Sunday edition is really expensive if you buy it at the news stands. And it's HARD WORK patroling coffee shops on Sunday morning looking for discarded sections.
http://lgfwatch.blogspot.com/200...f-
salesman.html
LGF rely on 'leftist' to sell their PJ media scam....sad really....the natives are getting restless
cdyke--
priceless.
Lenin's cock is really embalmed. Really, really embalamed. That explains how someone like this could be fathered. Dead.
I thought Kristy Swanson was the eye candy in 'the Chase.'
D'oh! You're right. EE was in *Chasers* - it is possible to see *too many* bad movies...
And the wank-athon wanketh on.
Jennifer rhymes:
How many cranks,
Would a wanker wank,
If a wanker could wank cranks?
None. Their forearms aren't strong enough.
What do I win?
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Eli - I remember how Spy magazine used to ridicule SS with the claim that he uses shoe polish to fill in his hairline.
Honest to god, it looks like he does. Ask your sister if it's really shoe polish or just a remarkable facsimile.
Okay Eli, you buy it and give us the password, k?
Would that work? I presume if a name and password were universally posted the NYT folks would spot the traffic overload and block the password.
What if only a few people shared it instead? Anyone know?
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I am counting on Common Dreams, The Smirking Chimp, Truthout & Working for Change to provide Krugman & Rich goodness, even if a day or two late -- I have sworn off not only the NYT but latrines & WaPo as well
Völkisher Beobachter & Der Stürmer were more respectable (OK, I exaggerate, but I am annoyed as in "seriously pissed off")
No matter how I felt during the 90's, at the core I had the secure feeling borne of having a leader who did his job thoroughly and thoughtfully.
I want my preznit to be smarter than me. Much, much smarter than me. Like, scary smart.
Is that really unreasonable? Or elitist?
Prior - what I guess I'm trying to say is, no one seems to be looking very closely at any of these orgs to see whether or not they are what they claim.
Somebody figured out what a fucking windfall this administration (pace WGG) is for religious orgs.
Michigan State beat Notre Dame.
In South Bend.
Great game.
The troll is pretending he has a girlfriend? Who wants to bet that she'd named "Flowers"?
Though of course, I don't know if you'd want to get something going with the troll's GF. You seem more like a "leather" type than an "inflatable vinyl" type.
"I hope he gets cancer and rots in hell!"
Let us not waste our cancer cells on such little fish. We have bigger boys to lymphoma at.
- they can float around as poltergeists. Shit, I will invite them over to my place, where I'll emanate a bunch of boiled egg and beer farts.
Hahahahahah. Whew!
Eli--I feel the same way.
I don't care if I don't want to have a drink with the president. That's not what I hired him for.
spork - my undying affection?
Sorry, the bank account's kinda low right about now.
Michigan State beat Notre Dame.
In South Bend.
Now, thass what I'm tawkin' 'bout.
I ever tell you I smoked dope in Spartan stadium back in '74? At about 2 am.
to lymphoma at
I guess it's true--you can "verb" anything...
What if only a few people shared it instead? Anyone know?
Krugman, at least, will likely available on the internets the same day. Indeed, I *might* put The Shrill One's columns up at my place.
We'll see.
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Eli--it's not possible to see too many bad movies.
Okay, maybe in 24 hours it is.
I don't care if I don't want to have a drink with the president. That's not what I hired him for.
Dammit, I don't want to think *I* could do a better job, ya know?
I ever tell you I smoked dope in Spartan stadium back in '74? At about 2 am.
Billy B
In '74 I did something in Beaver Stadium at 2 AM.
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Jennifer sez:
my undying affection?
Better than money or Turtle Wax™!
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mer --
Glad to see you, too -- you know that Gandhi quotation:
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS."
hehehehehe.
He sad, "beaver."
hehehehehe....
Only way I'd have a drink with Bush is if I was doing the mixing. And I had cement in my ears.
New motto for the Republican party-
we want to see dead people.
Richard
No - they want to see MORE dead people!
sad = said.
smalfish
Kown anything about heat pumps?
I have 2, but one seems to be getting wimpy. I hate to use the other because the air return is in a large garage, so I have to leave the door open and cool this large space. The unit runs and the fan works.
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Well, as the good prior says -- good night fellow moonbats, it's been a long day for yours truly and I need me some varsity level Z's.
*puts on Elton John's cover of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds -- just like my old DJ days*
In '74 I did something in Beaver Stadium at 2 AM.
Have anything to do with the old
IM69 RU12
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Okay Eli, you buy it and give us the password, k?
Would that work?
You can get a password by going to http://bugmenot.com for any paper. It's a pain in the ass, but sometimes worth it.
And Uncle smokes, dang I miss me a smart president who actually considers issues instead of going with its stupid, fat *gut*.
Only way I'd have a drink with Bush is if I was doing the mixing. And I had cement in my ears.
EPT
Bring plenty of arsenic!
Tax the churches.
I lived in Salt Lake City, where a significant chunk of the downtown property is off the tax rolls. Even more of that property is owned by the dominant church of the state of Utah (i.e., the organization now owns BOTH shopping malls in downtown).
Some years back, before it became more common for tax assessors to put tax bills online, I had access to a tax database. I did a lot of research on a certain church that dominates Clearwater, Florida. Oddly enough, one of their buildings, used as a hotel in addition to classrooms and whatnot, was only partially tax exempt.
It's amazing what you can learn from the tax rolls. Enough to say "Tax the Churches!"
OT: Hey! Is anyone watching the CNN- Global Summit on Poverty & Development with Big Dawg, Bono, Wolfowitz, Jeffry Sachs, Mohammad Yunis (Grameen Bank guy), Queen Rania and Wangari Maathai? Quite an impressive little panel discussion.
(I still can't get over the fact that the Wolfman is head of the WB.)
Kown anything about heat pumps?
Where y'at?
bigvic sez:
stupid, fat *gut*
Is that what he's calling Rove these days?
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I guess it's true--you can "verb" anything...
Correction, you can "verbify" anything. Corporatese is full of verbifications, to the point where verbificational confusion sets in, and deverbificationalization is needed.
[sorry...a silly word game I play in my mind when I'm walking: How many suffixes and prefixes can one add without tripping up]
Arsenic. I was thinking more diethyl mercury. I would wear gloves.
they always fall
Prior, I love that fact that you're here, but I keep thinking of all the trly avaricious shit-bags who made their money over the years screwing people out of their last dime, or starting wars to sell their stuff, and how much of that money is still out there supporting parasites like Scaife.
But keep telling us it will be all better some day. I need to hear it.
In '74 I did something in Beaver Stadium at 2 AM.
Have anything to do with the old
IM69 RU12
Outsmarting a successful defense, I eventually scored! The extra point was good too.
Just sayin'
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Bush doesn't go with his gut.
He does whatever Karl, Karen, Condi or Dick tell him to do.
just did a google image search on this Erika Eleniak person. she looks very talented....
If I was the President of the United States of America I would hire women and men who were knew what the hell they were doing. Not because they financed my campaign.
Where are we now? In a fucking mess, as far as I'm concerned.
OK, what's the outrage tonight? (besides the banal and total evil in Washington?)
hehehehehe.
He sad, "beaver."
I like how Oregon State's women's sports teams are called "The Lady Beavers."
I was also amused when I was listening to a game on the radio and heard the announcer say, "And he's looking into the teeth of a Beaver blitz..."
Of course, I'm much more mature now.
Bring plenty of arsenic!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
I would just do something symbolic like stir the boy's drink with my dick.
Arsenic. I was thinking more diethyl mercury. I would wear gloves.
EPT
Thallium
There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS."
Prior Aelred
One of the many reasons I heart Prior A.
Where y'at?
Billy B
SE TX
I still can't get over the fact that the Wolfman is head of the WB.
Whenever I see him, I stare at his hair, thinking of spit.
If I was the President of the United States of America I would hire women and men who were knew what the hell they were doing. Not because they financed my campaign.
Or recycle idiots from prior disastrous regimes.
Just curious - if taxes were levied on religious institutions, how much are we talking about - anyone have any idea of an approximation?
Notre Dame lost?
You make my day!
Notre Dame -- a professional football team with a college attached
It's been years since they were worth a damn (but they did beat Ann Arbor last week)
Prior A-
There is also:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw
God, that email is disgusting. Is there anyone anywhere who can articulate anything humanly noble in the vision of governance these people hold in their heads?
(I still can't get over the fact that the Wolfman is head of the WB.)
Wolfowitz is responsible for Gilmore Girls???
Billy B, remind me to drink very carefully in your presence.
Terry C, music to my ears.
Ted, Thallium is Doby Gillis' heart throb.
Naw. The most appropriate W cocktail would include mercury, lead, dioxin, and all the other pollutants he seems to think are just hunky dory for the rest of us. And also, his own personal poison - alchohol.
nightshade berries, Tasty!
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I ainn't readin the whole thread, but iffin I got enough to pay estate tax I probable have a home in vale, that I went to at the first warning.
BTW, anyone live near So. Cent. Mo? If so pls, come kick me in the butt.
agave -
My experience with the heat pump is that it works very well during temperate weather. But when the temps get too extreme, the things just can't keep up.
Diethyl mercury is forever.
OT - for those who are curious about Dracula 3000, click Homepage for a review of the film from Something Awful.
WARNING: contains spoilers...
...if anyone cares.
Bush doesn't go with his gut.
He does whatever Karl, Karen, Condi or Dick tell him to do.
I proffer another Bob the Angry Flower toon.
Unka S. --I have no esteem for the WB and the IMF ever since reading an expose on those development agencies called 'The Lords of Poverty,' a few years back. If you think FEMA is a corrupt bureaucracy, it's nothing compared to the IMF & the WB.
I assume Wolfie is settling in just fine.
Is it true that many institutions do not even have to file public documents of disclosure of income and expenses? Again, just curious?
Eli -- "Churches can stay tax-exempt if they stay the fuck out of politics.
Deal?"
It's a deal by me as long as stay the fuck out of politics means no money from government to church related endeavors, no way, no how. If a church can't keep it's mission going, whatever it defines that to be, from its collection plate and investments, then let it has no raison d'etre. Let it fold.
"I hope he gets cancer and rots in hell!"
Sorry about that.
But I didn't like what that piece of garbage said about Cindy.
He probably doesn't even have any kids...or any prospects of having any.
They accuse US of being hateful while the shit that spews from their sick minds is unreal!
Is it true that many institutions do not even have to file public documents of disclosure of income and expenses?
Public vs Private institutions.
Publicly held has to reveal
Private only for Tax purposes and only if it's a for profit institution.
The other night I was thinking about the estate tax and the middle class. My father-in-law and another two oldsters I can think of right off the bat had to liquidate all their assets except for a car, I think, in order to qualify for Medicaid (or Medicare -- can't recall at this moment, but I could look it up if the trolls are interested) long-term care coverage. So the middle class loses its assets while the rich keep theirs -- just another step on the road to becoming a third-world nation, as far as I can tell. So why am I supposed to feel sorry for the millionaires? I am certain in my bones that all my father-in-law wanted was to be able to leave something to his kids after a lifetime of hard work.
Galloway vs Hitchens, CSPAN 2, in ten minutes.
Hmmm, Drac3K OR Hitchens v. Galloway on Cspan2? Decisions, decisions...
One of the many reasons I heart Prior A
Me too.
It's true - they always do. It's just awfully hard waiting for it.
Is it all right to hope that he gets anal cysts? Apart from the one he thinks with.
Aeon Flux, check out Alternative Radio, which has a some good Arundhati Roy material.
I recommend "The Checkbook and the Cruise Missile."
OT - for those who are curious about Dracula 3000, click Homepage for a review of the film from Something Awful.
Heh heh heh... My girlfriend pointed me to that after she watched it on video. She confirms that the review is 100% accurate.
Of course, SA's finest moment has to be Lowtax vs. Juggalo...
i for one am very interested in what we are going to see within the coming weeks.
Captain Goto --
Scaife & Ahmunson are currently spending millions trying to destroy the Episcopal Church (& the Methodists & Presbyterians as well) -- they are supporting the homophobes & trying to grab church property, tie things up in the courts -- it is really quite infuriating -- it is tough fighting big money -- it can be done, but you gotta wanna (think Gandhi chasing out the British)
The model is the fundies taking over the Southern Baptists (which used to be a Christian organization) -- there is a shortage of fundies in the Episcopal Church (thank God) but you can find homophobes everywhere (especially in their carefully contructed closets -- see Rome's latest campaign to get gays out of the priesthood -- snark, snark!)
nsr-
But but.... cspan1 just began running the Young Republican's "Future of Marriage" Symposium. I am hoping for Santorum and some man-on-dog intellectualizing.
The first speaker just spoke of changes being "thrust" on the people of Nevada.
I ever tell you I smoked dope in Spartan stadium back in '74? At about 2 am.
No.
I will not say those were the good old days. They weren't.
But the Bush presidency is and always will be a sad time in our history.
The Iraq war supporters that remain are the most pathetic, because they can not come up with one good reason why this failure should continue.
They don't ask what's happened to the money that's been poured into Iraq that was supposed to restore what the military bombed and rendered useless.
Joe Klein, if you're reading this, people were better off under Saddam. And I'm not going to get upset because someone in the military (with whom you dined), who thrives on war, laments the death of his five lieutenants.
Go interview the families, you coward.
cs, I heard from a very social-justice-oriented minster friend that back in pre-Reagan days, a great deal of the gov't money for social programs was already being funneled through mainline church-based orgs. It turned out they were very good at what they did, and had no trouble keeping on the right side of the tax laws (i.e., not proselytizing, etc.). But they knew they didn't have a hope in hell of keeping up with all the real needs out there without gov't money, so you never heard them bitching about "privatizing" welfare.
Uncle Smokes -- I feel the same about Clinton. He does something that pisses me off, then I fall in love w/ him all over again. I have always, always understood Hillary . . .
There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS."
Prior Aelred
One of the many reasons I heart Prior A.
bigvic
Agreed, completely. He's the Real Deal.
http://static.flickr.com/21/
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Nightshade berries, one of the "crops" that can be harvested from my land.
Grows on any bit of the land that has water and half-way decent soil, even after you've pulled it out.
Tony Shalhoub and F. Murray Abraham.
Why, God, WHY??!?!?
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Cindy Sheehan=Bob Denver
I get it. It's the hat Ms. Sheehan is commonly photographed wearing. Looks like Gilligans.
No if that doesn't convince you the Right=Right, well nothin will.
Gosh, they're so clever.
Non-profits have to file a form 990 with the IRS, which is public record and available here (who says the Ford Foundation doesn't do anything good?).
I've done much good work using 990s...
One exception: several Christian Universities (including Harding University, which is how I know about this) have got themselves an exemption to this rule. This is criminal, in my opinion, because public tax breaks are going to them. I'll have more on this in a few weeks, when I finish writing an article about it...
for now, this elderberry wine has a surprising kick...
"pulled it out."
Oops posted to the wrong place.
OT, but I need a favor.
I need folks to go over to Yahoo to move this story up. Recommend it, give it stars, do whatever you need to do.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=...nation/
422412_1
This trial starts Monday, folks, and needs national attention.
Thanks!
Mary
Of course, SA's finest moment has to be Lowtax vs. Juggalo...
Indeed!
Huh. Wolfie just said that the state of Punjab is in Pakistan -- I know that there is a Punjabi state in India, is there one in Pakistan as well?
Prior:
Here in the 'burgh, I am pretty close with a guy who works for Rob't Duncan. He still has a lot of affection for the guy, but I sense he's getting pretty disillusioned.
Moe Szyslak
thanks about the 990 IRS form. I did not know about that.
Mooser sez:
Gosh, they're so clever.
"Clever" ain't the word for it.
But thanks for decoding.
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Mary,
Did it. Sick bastards.
Billy B
It's fairly hot here, but it's gets much hotter and we haven't had this problem before.
With both running even at near 100 deg we could make the house cold. Now it's 78 deg inside and the sun has been down for awhile, probably mid 80's outside.
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Mary, I did it too. Looks like you can recommend it over and over again, so I'm doing that as well.
I get back from a seminar in Columbus and find these dick-heads can't stop working at having no shame. Industrious momsers, aren't they?
Crap. I just realized I won't be able to type and eat popcorn at the same time.
Not very quickly, anyway.
So if you see me saying, "Ooo, it's Dracula!" 90 minutes in, please be understanding...
So I assume everyone is still grooving on Miami's triple OT victory?
good people, i have to go for a while. thanks for the conversation. night, if i can't come back, to all y'all beloved moonbats.
Cindy Sheehan=Bob Denver
I get it. It's the hat Ms. Sheehan is commonly photographed wearing. Looks like Gilligans.
No if that doesn't convince you the Right=Right, well nothin will.
Gosh, they're so clever.
Mooser
It shows they have no respect for women - or mothers.
Nothing clever about that.
Just curious - if taxes were levied on religious institutions, how much are we talking about - anyone have any idea of an approximation?
Florence of Venice
I don't know the Numbers, but the county I just left has 50% of their tax base redacted. (Home of assembly of god & askkroft) 3 rd largest city in the state. My repug state rep. just couldn't understand why I wanted an infastructure tax on non profits.
Thanks, bigvic.
I can't figure out why the Feds are pursuing this, really, except that they can. Such nice folks. We're expecting a lot lot lot of protesters in town next week.
Sopranos on in two minutes -- broadcast over the airwaves here in Canada, oy. See ya later...
NYMary
Just cruised by but I voted for it.
Just curious - if taxes were levied on religious institutions, how much are we talking about - anyone have any idea of an approximation?
Florence of Venice
Florence, ask me next time you see me here, I'll drag an answer out of my notes... gotta go.
We're expecting a lot lot lot of protesters in town next week.
Just as long as we don't have to put up with any of them shorthair Vermont maplesyrup photographer nutjobs, we'll be OK.
So I assume everyone is still grooving on Miami's triple OT victory?
Thers
Guaranteed here last nite. Just call me Jay the Greek.
But more importantly, did the U cover?
Otherwise, Frankie the Toe might be stopping by with his tire iron...
NYMary -
Done
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As long as we're dishing out the hugs:
I enjoy you, too, Prior Aelred, as I mentioned in a previous thread (in case you missed it).
The troll at the time spewed, "Why don't you two find a rest area and get it over with."
Well...get thee behind me, Satan's Waterboy--I'd never want to compromise such a decent man.
I have always, always understood Hillary . . .
cs
I've always gotten a kick out of the people who thought she should've left him.
Yeah - if she could acted like these good christian Repug politicians, she could be on her third or fourth marriage by now.
Just as long as we don't have to put up with any of them shorthair Vermont maplesyrup photographer nutjobs, we'll be OK.
Errrrr.....
Sheets.
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Sitting here at Pitt, not paying attention, I hafta ask: how bad did Nebraska paste Wannstedt's boys?
Sheets.
BTW, a friend told me that the Hitchens & Galloway will be on Bill Maher next week -- can anyone verify that?
(jeez - are they going on tour together? - imagine the bar tabs...)
Harding University is Satan's alma mater.
BTW, I HEART Amy Goodman.
Tena, Sarah my dear,
Yep. We heart the Prior 'cause he's a genuine, good man. Jeepers, I wish we had people running our ruined country of his caliber.
The troll at the time spewed, "Why don't you two find a rest area and get it over with."
Spoken by someone who gets his jollies, I'm sure, with a blowup doll.
Ooo, Udo Kier!!!
Recommended it, cutie.
This trial starts Monday, folks, and needs national attention.
Thanks!
Mary
NYMary
Done and done.
Maybe we could get some of our super bloggers to give this story some electrons, say, like our host.
It couldn't hurt.
aeon_flux
not aware of one, but Paula Z. said w. cut his vacation short by two weeks the other nite. cnn just makes shit up.
The Prior rocks!
I wish we had people running our ruined country of his caliber.
bigvic |
bigvic, if only. Makes my heart ache, wishing it were so. And wondering why it is not.
NYMary -- Done.
spinoza --
Sometimes GBS is so cool -- pretty looney in real life, though -- I first read GBS because the local library had his complete plays right next to those of Oscar Wilde -- I much prefered Wilde
spinoza --
& as you yourself said, "Be not astonished at new ideas; for it is well known to you that a thing does not therefore cease to be true because it is not accepted by many."
Sitting here at Pitt, not paying attention, I hafta ask: how bad did Nebraska paste Wannstedt's boys?
7-6, in a game the moved slower than the grass grew.
goto
nubbs won 7-6. pitt blew two field goal chances in last 8 seconds
so has anyone done a comparison of how much hasn't been collected since the "death tax" has been rolled back vs the amount that it would have taken to fund the levee construction/repair? tie the term "death tax" around their necks like a fuckin' albatross, especially with KenDoll Mehlman sending out that e-mail as the city was flooding
I am not a troll, and I go through the thread with nothing but disgust at Lenin and Gary - but what is it that makes us think we should be able to read Frank Rich without paying him?If we don't buy the Times, aren't we ripping him/them off?
agave -
Hate to say it, but it's time to call in the Mounties.
I've been nursing my AC along for several years. I wiah I'd have swapped it out this year. I've been waiting on the compressor to crap out, but it hasn't. Old unit that is not efficient. My electric has been running me $300+ per month this summer.
And this is in NE MD. Shit. Where you are, AC is a commitment. Up here, it's still kind of a luxury.
Good luck.
prior, a reading list from you would be welcome.
Captain Goto --
I don't think Bob Duncan is a bad man -- I do think he has some serious issues that he needs to address (well, we all do, but not everyone can do as much damage as he can)
I know a priest who was like his right hand man -- until he came out of the closet
The problems is the church(es) is not about the H-word "homosexual" but about the H-word "hypocrisy" -- a lot of persons with a same sex orientation have been very good in the "helping professions" -- I don't know the reasons, but it seems to be true
One priest describes the problem as "the ick factor" -- I think he's right since I have the same emotional reaction myself, but my intellect knows better
I was confirmed by a gay bishop & I was ordained by a gay bishop & I suspect that they lived in fear of being exposed -- that is not right
Sorry to go so OT
race relatons don't advance much in a 1,000 year, re scifi
t's the hat Ms. Sheehan is commonly photographed wearing. Looks like Gilligans.
As if Cindy Sheehan is obligated to look good for them.
The ones who criticize her couldn't even get a woman.
NY Mary: Well Done
MOTHAFUCKAHS REPRAZENT,
ONLY JIZZ USES THE TIFF
PNG FOR U AN ME< YIZZ YO
What the hell kind of language is THAT?
Dumb de dumb dumb!
I was confirmed by a gay bishop & I was ordained by a gay bishop & I suspect that they lived in fear of being exposed -- that is not right
Sorry to go so OT
Prior Aelred
Prior, almost nothing is OT these days, so many things are connected because the neocons have struck a spike into this country's heart ro split it in two. It's one of the only ways they can succeed, by turning us against one another. One must recognize one's basest instincts to conquer them, but most of us - myself included (though fortunately not all the time or forever) - just react instead of process the info.
SD
BTW, a friend told me that the Hitchens & Galloway will be on Bill Maher next week -- can anyone verify that?
Cage match?
Sarah --
A reading list -- wow -- well, the novititate reading list is geared very much towards monatic life but also towards guiding novices to topics & authors that they find helpful -- people are different & an author or approach which one person finds inspiring & helpful might mean nothing to another
You might find Marcus Borg's books of interest -- he teaches in Oregon, IIRC -- raised Missouri Synod Lutheran, he rejected not only that tradition but the hateful God he learned -- he is now married to an Episcopal priest -- I don't always agree with him, but he makes some excellent points & is a searcher with his heart in the right place, I think
And many thanks to all of you for the kind words -- I am simply trying to follow Jesus Chrsit & doing a piss poor job (as any of my confreres would be quick to tell you), but as a Methodist minsiter recently wrote, "Being a Christian is primarily about being kind." I initially rebelled against that statement, but the more I pondered it, the more I decided he was on to something.
"Being a Christian is primarily about being kind."
I'd have to agree it goes a long way towards being the unvarnished truth
It's challenge enough for most of us, in any event.
Prior, thanks. I just didn't know if you had any poetry you enjoyed or authors you personally liked. I'm not trying to be a Christian, I would like to be a decent human being, something I struggle with daily. I always enjoy and respect your comments and where your emotional and intellectual instincts take you.
thanks/SD
Good lord, we're really scraping the bottom of that 38% barrel with the current crop of trolls.
SD --
Poetry -- well, I always for for the poetry rather than the meaning -- I confess to a fondness for Andrew Marvell, for the feel as much as anything
Houseman can be quite astonishingly moving, I think -- everyone admires T. S. Eliott (or at least his poetry) for a reason
There was an Australian poet whose name escapes me at rthe moment -- modern themes in very traditional form -- I also like Theodore Roethke -- he has a feel for words & images
Novels -- Dostoevky's "Borthers Karamazov" is worthy of a lifetime of study -- like NTodd I love the historical novels of Patrick O'Brian (unlike NTodd, I didn't care for the movie)
Movies -- my favorite is "Lone Star" -- also "Searching for Bobby Fischer" -- "Smoke Signals" -- "The Adventures of Baron Munchausen" (if oyu notice that they are about family relationships, you are on to something)
Favorite sci-fi-fantasy writer -- unquestionably David Gemmell -- he seems to write in formulas but always has something to startle me & make me think in every book
Just some thoughts
Houseman T. S. Eliott (or at least his poetry) for a reason
In February of 1984 I got a really bad case of pneumonia. To cheer myself up I read Shropshire Lad at least ten times. It seemed to cure me of AE Houseman for the rest of my life, though I did read Last and More later.
Telling my Latin teacher about it he said, "I don't know what he had to be so sorry for him self about. Look at Chatterton, he really had something to get upset about."
Elliot is a poet I can't understand the attraction of. I've hurt feelings over him on these threads before so I'll leave it at that.
William Blake is an endless font of discovery for me. The Pebble and the Clod is a rather remarkable poem that doesn't get much notice.
Emily Dickenson too.
But Das Buch Der Bilder, especially the second volume, is the book that means the most to me just now.
"Tiere will ich nicht schrecken."
anyone ever read timothy findlay? "Not Wanted on the Voyage" by him, one of my fave books.
Good lord, we're really scraping the bottom of that 38% barrel with the current crop of trolls.
NTodd
Time to stop scraping, eh?
And let's not crack open a new barrel right away. How 'bout, say, New Years Day?
2020?
Prior Aelred, thought you might like this one.
Herbst
Die Blätter fallen, fallen wie von weit,
als welkten in den Himmeln ferne Gärten;
sie fallen mit verneinender Gebärde.
Und in den Nächten fällt die schwere Erde
aus allen Sternen in die Einsamkeit.
Wir alle fallen. Diese Hand da fällt.
Und sieh dir andre an: es ist in allen.
Und doch ist Einer, welcher dieses Fallen
unendlich sanft in seinen Händen hält.
FUCK THE GOD DAMN ESTATE TAX. IT'S TIME TO PUSH BACK ON THIS DECADENCE. THERE IS NOTHING, NOTHING THAT DIFFERENTIATES THESE PEOPLE FROM THE POOR AND EVERYONE ELSE, EXCEPT THEIR STATION OF BIRTH. GET THE FUCK OUT OF POLITICS.
Wilfred Owen.
Edna St Vincent Millay ("these things I do, being mad....")
Emily Dickenson
WH Auden
ee cummings
Just a very very few examples.
I don't recall who it was that hit upon the correct name for the estate tax repeal plan:
The Paris Hilton Stupid Spoiled Whore Subsidy Act
EPT --
Agree on William Blake
Eliott worked & re-worked everything -- I think it paid off -- we are allowed to disagree (especially about poetry)
SD --
Wilfrid Owen was a genius
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