wait, CS and Old Man are kansans? cool. i was born in junction city. haven't been back in several million years.
deluxe sampo |
09.17.05 - 11:09 pm | #
So, basically, a national ID card is the enemy of liberty and Democratic voters get a free pass on fraud because they are mentally or economically disadvantaged and the rest of us should just learn to put up with it. Okay. Thanks.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:10 pm | #
ignore, do not feed, etc.
deluxe sampo |
09.17.05 - 11:11 pm | #
One of these days, Atrios needs to declare a wanker of the millenium award....NYT is odds on favorite....
flory, Business Manager |
09.17.05 - 11:12 pm | #
Worthless as tits on a boar hog.
Central Scrutinizer |
09.17.05 - 11:12 pm | #
Katrina should be yet another reason why a national ID card is a great idea. People lose their confidence in governments and NGOs when nobody can verify a person's ID. Thumbprints or tattoos for all! That will be my battle cry.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:12 pm | #
Ease off on the Times - they're just trying to reach out to another segment of the population they feel they haven't addressed adequately in recent years: the chronically full of shit.
Dan McEnroe |
09.17.05 - 11:12 pm | #
What's that awful smell?
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
09.17.05 - 11:13 pm | #
Atrios, this sort of story doesn't really have any other purpose, does it? Let's mitigate the seriousness of the charge of fraud by shifting it around as much as possible. Okay.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:13 pm | #
So, basically, a national ID card is the enemy of liberty and Democratic voters get a free pass on fraud because they are mentally or economically disadvantaged and the rest of us should just learn to put up with it. Okay. Thanks.
I don't get the jump in logic.
And how does a national ID card prevent fraud? And what type of fraud are we talking about here?
Ripley |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:14 pm | #
y kant toby read?
I don't even think he bothered - I think he just showed up with a bug up his ass about ID cards.
Dan McEnroe |
09.17.05 - 11:14 pm | #
Once again I ask that people not respond to trolls. It's irresponsible. You don't know what their real lives are like or what damage comments here can cause there. Please . . .
cs |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:16 pm | #
But research is so boring! What's wrong with just repeating anything anyone tells us? [/dumbass lazy media]
TheOtherWA |
09.17.05 - 11:16 pm | #
"You lucky, lucky bastard!"
yeah, can't say i'm longing to return, though if i do it will be in a flying spaghetti monster t-shirt.
deluxe sampo |
09.17.05 - 11:16 pm | #
Donna Brazile gets an honorary Wankerita prize for the keess-eeng of el Chimperador's spotty culo.
Wankerrrita.
I'm convinced that her and Shrum are double agents.
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:16 pm | #
Toby:
Pop quiz:
Who said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 11:16 pm | #
New Jersey: It's the New Florida!
monica_nyc |
09.17.05 - 11:17 pm | #
Who said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?
El Gato Negro, I have to ask. How could you know Chimpy's culo is spotty?
And do I really want to know?
TheOtherWA |
09.17.05 - 11:18 pm | #
cs,
I'm in full-on ignore mode now.
Just watch me.
Central Scrutinizer |
09.17.05 - 11:18 pm | #
They'll issue me a national ID card when they haul my ass, kicking, scratching, and screaming, down to the Bureau of Identity.
Jennifer |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:18 pm | #
...the NJ GOP decided they would get some press by floating the idea that there was massive voter fraud in NJ, and the New York Times ate the entire press release up without telling you the entire process was merely an experiment in running a query in a database.
Not just wankers, Pravda, idiot wankers...
kelley b. |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:19 pm | #
Not just wankers, Pravda, idiot wankers...
Izvestia not to complain, really.
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:20 pm | #
Where's Sallyh?
This post would be right up her alley.
Central Scrutinizer |
09.17.05 - 11:20 pm | #
Jennifer, I believe national id already passed. If your state doesn't meet the new federal standards in 3 years, you won't be allowed to apply for any federal job or fly.
Welcome to amerika in the 21st century.
TheOtherWA |
09.17.05 - 11:20 pm | #
Who said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?
Sinclair Lewis
kelley b. |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:20 pm | #
Where's Sallyh?
This post would be right up her alley.
Good question. She missed Dracula 3000, too.
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:21 pm | #
The borrow and spend Big Government Conservatives running things would love to have a national ID card, it would make Corproate "America"'s life so much easier.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
09.17.05 - 11:21 pm | #
Who said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?
I don't know. Henry Ford?
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:22 pm | #
Jennifer, I believe national id already passed. If your state doesn't meet the new federal standards in 3 years, you won't be allowed to apply for any federal job or fly.
Welcome to amerika in the 21st century.
That'll work out Great for the airlines!
Hey, who wants a slice of Freedom? Last one, get it while it's fresh!
Ripley |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:22 pm | #
when they haul my ass, kicking, scratching, and screaming
You have a very angry ass. And rather tricked-out, since apparently it has claws and vocal cords, too.
I'm kinda jealous, cuz mine's the standard model.
SteveNS |
09.17.05 - 11:22 pm | #
Who said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?
Sinclair Lewis
kelley b. | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:20 pm | #
Henry Ford?
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:25 pm | #
Who said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?
I don't know. Henry Ford?
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:22 pm | #
Brilliant.
You're suggesting a genuine American
fascist would make a satirical
point about American fascism.
Dumber than a sack of hammers.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 11:25 pm | #
I'd never read Lewsi, butlast year I felt I had to (along with THe Handmaid's Tale and a re-re-read of 1984)
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
09.17.05 - 11:25 pm | #
What's that awful smell?
The Old Man From Scene 24
I'd never read Lewsi, butlast year I felt I had to (along with THe Handmaid's
Tale and a re-re-read of 1984)
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Email | 09.17.05 - 11:
Kiddo -- read "It Can't Happen Here"
and "Babbitt."
The guy nailed our reality....
including assholes like Toby.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 11:27 pm | #
I'm convinced that her and Shrum are double agents.
Eli
Uh, uh.
Neither one is smart enough.
They're just really, really good with that one act play -- the "New" Democrat.'
Doesn't take a lot of smarts.
flory, Business Manager |
09.17.05 - 11:28 pm | #
Anyway, what is the Democrats' objection to making ID cards a prerequisite to voting? Will it cut into their numbers?
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:29 pm | #
They're just really, really good with that one act play -- the "New" Democrat.'
What will it take for the Democrats to realize that they're Losers with a capital L?
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:29 pm | #
what did donna brazile say?
jello |
09.17.05 - 11:29 pm | #
who said, "ah, but your land is beautiful"?
Olaf glad and big |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:29 pm | #
Who said: "It's ritual sacrifice ... with pie."?
monica_nyc |
09.17.05 - 11:29 pm | #
Anyway, what is the Democrats' objection to making ID cards a prerequisite to
voting? Will it cut into their numbers?
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:29 pm | #
No, but when the Democrats retake
the government we will use them to
hunt you down and kill you.
Still think it's a good idea?
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 11:31 pm | #
glad to hear you're ok, agave. even though you are l;iving in exile in the vile state of texas.
Olaf glad and big |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:31 pm | #
who said, "ah, but your land is beautiful"?
woody guthrie?
No, it was the other one. What's his name, Buzz Lightspeed or somethin'.
SteveNS |
09.17.05 - 11:32 pm | #
what did donna brazile say? ~ jello
She say "oh! el chimperador! jour culo, eet looks machismo een those jeans, oohhhh... and weeth that fake work-shirt, ummm, I can no longer restrain myself, mmmmmmmmmmwah! *kissy kissy*
No, but when the Democrats retake
the government we will use them to
hunt you down and kill you.
Still think it's a good idea?
steve simels | Email | 09.17.05 - 11:31 pm | #
Oh and by the phrase "hunt you down
and kill you" I don't mean Republicans
in general....I mean you specifically.
Still think it's a good idea?
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 11:33 pm | #
Who said "Slim Jim Dolly, Slim Jim Dolly. Slim Jim Dolly got a Slim Jim body."?
No googling!
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:33 pm | #
no, sampo. it was someone whose name i can't remember. i believe his name was william payton. and it referred to south africa. it was in a book called "cry, the beloved country", i think.
Olaf glad and big |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:33 pm | #
One of these days, Atrios needs to declare a wanker of the millenium award....NYT is odds on favorite....
flory, Business Manager | Email | 09.17.05 - 11:12 pm | #
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my vote still goes to the incomparably ugly (inside and out) Andrea Greenspin....just sayin
sittenpretty |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:33 pm | #
The Handmaid's Tale is one of the scariest books I ever read. I could see the beginnings of religious fanaticism carried to those lengths, but my friends thought I was paranoid.
They don't think that anymore.
TheOtherWA |
09.17.05 - 11:33 pm | #
Texas isn't vile. It is a land of patriots. A place where people of all kinds know their place.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:34 pm | #
Who said "Slim Jim Dolly, Slim Jim Dolly. Slim Jim Dolly got a Slim Jim body."?
I don't have a problem proving who I am when I vote. Why should others? They're either too stupid to vote in the first place or they're hiding something.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:35 pm | #
Sure, I know they passed the national ID bullshit. I've just chosen not to go along with it.
You know, we all have a choice in this. We can choose not to comply. What the fuck are they going to do if half the country - hell, even the 25% of it that's relatively intelligent - refuse to comply?
We tend to forget that they "govern" (this isn't the right word for what they do) at our consent.
I don't consent to a national ID card. I don't know of many who do.
And yes, I know that most people are sheep, who even when they disagree, will go along so as not to rock the boat. And that's fine; that's their call. It doesn't have anything to do with what I choose to do, however.
Jennifer |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:35 pm | #
The Handmaid's Tale is one of the scariest books I ever read. I could see the beginnings of religious fanaticism carried to those lengths, but my friends thought I was paranoid.
Yup scary shit, and not too far off from what some of the the corse GOP supporters want...
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
09.17.05 - 11:35 pm | #
Texas isn't vile. It is a land of patriots. A place where people of all kinds know their place.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:34 pm | #
It is stupid for individuals, or even a small organized group (say a few hundred) to commit vote fraud by voting twice. The potential penalties (large fines and possibly jail time) far outweigh the potential gains (a few votes that won't tilt anything except the most tiny local race, in most cases). Even if there were 7000 of these cases, I have a hard time believing it was organized by anyone. Whatever fraud there was probably was spit between the parties.
marchbleed |
09.17.05 - 11:37 pm | #
Sure, I know they passed the national ID bullshit. I've just chosen not to go along with it.
You know, we all have a choice in this. We can choose not to comply. What the fuck are they going to do if half the country - hell, even the 25% of it that's relatively intelligent - refuse to comply?
That's happening in Britain already. There's a union formed to stop the Nat'l ID and the gov't is scared. gotta love it!
Ripley |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:37 pm | #
I thought it was,"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
Probably 10 people have posted this by now.
tinfoil hattie |
09.17.05 - 11:37 pm | #
At a minimum -- Donna Brazile, Shrum and all their ilk are ridden out of town on the rails....
I can't understand why anyone would touch Shrum with a 12-foot pole after 2000. Brazile at least didn't have nearly as long a track record of losing - Shrum's made a career out of it, he's like the Washington Generals of electoral politics.
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:37 pm | #
i want a motorcycle.
Olaf glad and big |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:37 pm | #
A place where people of all kinds know their place.
Umm... who said "A place for every man, and every man in his place"?
kelley b. |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:37 pm | #
I don't have a problem proving who I am when I vote. Why should others?
They're either too stupid to vote in the first place or they're hiding something.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:35 pm | #
We can choose not to comply.
Yup. The only weapon we have is our refusal. (Thanks, Michael Collins)
ThinlyVeiled |
09.17.05 - 11:38 pm | #
Oh, mi Gato Negro, you certainly do have a way with words. Your synopsis of Donna Brazile's wankeritisma was absolutely perfect. I swoon in your general direction.
strawhat |
09.17.05 - 11:38 pm | #
Umm... who said "A place for every man, and every man in his place"?
Henry Ford?
Viggo of Carpathia?
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:38 pm | #
Who said the following?
"One day we would send a letter to have someone taken off the rolls, and the next day, we would send one to put them back on again," .... "It makes you look like you must be a dummy."
Are you aware that the word irony
has nothing to do with pressing
your wet laundry?
Just wondering.....
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 11:39 pm | #
my vote still goes to the incomparably ugly (inside and out) Andrea Greenspin....just sayin
sittenpretty
The choices are many and varied.
But for sheer ugliness and effective wankeriness....its gotta be Izvestia on the Hudson....
flory, Business Manager |
09.17.05 - 11:39 pm | #
The most despicable part of the national id is that it's your driver's licence/state id (whichever you use). The states will require you to bring a copy of your birth certificate and whatever else they demand, in order to renew your DL.
If your state's licencing dept. fulfills the national id standards, you have a national id. If not, good luck living a modern life.
TheOtherWA |
09.17.05 - 11:39 pm | #
Who said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?
TheOtherWA - I predict a lot of unlicensed drivers in the very near future.
Jennifer |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:41 pm | #
Riddle me this:
How can you tell the difference
between the shit Toby Petzold
actually says, and the insane
crap meanspirited namestealers
post for him?
Answer:
You can't.
That's the point.
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 11:41 pm | #
"Once again I ask that people not respond to trolls. It's irresponsible. You don't know what their real lives are like or what damage comments here can cause there. Please . . ."
CS -- could you be more specific, please?
Sandy-L.A., 90034 |
09.17.05 - 11:42 pm | #
"Once again I ask that people not respond to trolls. It's irresponsible. You don't know what their real lives are like or what damage comments here can cause there. Please . . ."
CS -- could you be more specific, please?
Sandy-L.A., 90034 |
09.17.05 - 11:42 pm | #
Oh hell, can't we just wear our fucking Freedom Walk t-shirts and be done with it?
What more do they want from us? Seriously! What's next, fucking dress codes and no hair below the collar?
WTF happened to America, land of the free?
Ripley |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:42 pm | #
"Conservatives dumb. Me smart."
No. Actually, quite the other way around, yes?
Ok. "Me smart. Conservatives dumb."
Still works for me...
Dan McEnroe |
09.17.05 - 11:42 pm | #
A place where people of all kinds know their place.
Toby Petzold
The age old cry of the royalist.
Death of Rats |
09.17.05 - 11:42 pm | #
I can't understand why anyone would touch Shrum with a 12-foot pole after 2000
That goes to both the insider clubby, kewl kidz nature of retail politics... and to the aforementioned lack of gonads...
They're all scared shitless to step outside their comfort zone.
And the DLC types are the very heart of the comfort zone.
Winning elections appears to be a secondary consideration.
flory, Business Manager |
09.17.05 - 11:42 pm | #
Who said: "It's ritual sacrifice ... with pie."?
Sallyh?
Good guess! It was Anya, with whom Sallyh surely shares a justified fear of bunnies.
monica_nyc |
09.17.05 - 11:42 pm | #
Steve - Your retorts have become much more varied and cutting since you abandonded your former catch phrase. At least I have it immortalized on a T-shirt.
FeralLiberal |
09.17.05 - 11:43 pm | #
Radioacticity...
It's in the air, for you and me...
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
09.17.05 - 11:44 pm | #
TheOtherWA - I predict a lot of unlicensed drivers in the very near future.
Jennifer
No license, no insurance.
That's what'll scare most people, me included, into complying.
flory, Business Manager |
09.17.05 - 11:44 pm | #
Radioactivity...
It's in the air, for you and me...
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
09.17.05 - 11:45 pm | #
Who said "Slim Jim Dolly, Slim Jim Dolly. Slim Jim Dolly got a Slim Jim body."?
Jimmy Jeff Gannon Guckert?
monica_nyc |
09.17.05 - 11:45 pm | #
Doubtless also a descendent of the Plantagenets.
kelley b. |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:45 pm | #
Steve - Your retorts have become much more varied and cutting since you
abandonded your former catch phrase. At least I have it immortalized on a
T-shirt.
FeralLiberal | Email | 09.17.05 - 11:43 pm | #
Thank you for saying.
I like to think I'm entering some
kind of mid-period improvisatory
phase.
Like Miles Davis, or somebody.
But we'll always have the t-shirt.....
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 11:46 pm | #
No license, no insurance.
That's what'll scare most people, me included, into complying.
flory, Business Manager
Whereas I foresee a brisk business in phonying up ID cards.
America's last growth industry.
Death of Rats |
09.17.05 - 11:46 pm | #
No license, no insurance.
That's what'll scare most people, me included, into complying.
There's not enough jail space to put people away. If people can't drive, they can't buy gas or work or shop. Unemployment will go thru the roof.
Tying Nat'l ID to anything else is a bad, bad idea.
Ripley |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:46 pm | #
At least I have it immortalized on a T-shirt.
FeralLiberal
That t-shirt is gonna be worth a lot of money on eBay one day.
flory, Business Manager |
09.17.05 - 11:47 pm | #
No, wait! I change my answer. It had to be Joe Lieberman who said "Slim Jim Dolly, Slim Jim Dolly. Slim Jim Dolly got a Slim Jim body." Had to be.
monica_nyc |
09.17.05 - 11:47 pm | #
Y'all can see that there's a namestealer by runing your cursors over the hyperlink under Fauxby Petzold's signature. The dumbass misspelled something. Of course, now he knows he did, but I wanted you to see for yourselves, anyway.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:47 pm | #
A place where people of all kinds know their place.
Toby Petzold
The age old cry of the royalist.
Death of Rats | 09.17.05 - 11:42 pm | #
Yup.
I actually never thought I would
live to see somebody post such
obvious scumbaggery.
Tobes, just kill yourself okay?
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 11:48 pm | #
Whereas I foresee a brisk business in phonying up ID cards.
Remember that guy in the dorm room down the hall who was really good at changing the ages on drivers' licenses? Dude's gonna be hooked up...
Dan McEnroe |
09.17.05 - 11:48 pm | #
flory - fuck it. I'll drive without it.
I'm just not going to do this. It's bullshit. Anyone with a state ID or driver's license is already on the rolls. If they want to compile a national list, they have the means to do so already from state IDs and SS#s. These shitbirds are exactly the type to compile this information for political ops and to sell to corporate cronies. After seeing how DeLay misused the DHS to track down Texas legislators, they can suck it. I'm not getting a national ID.
Jennifer |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:49 pm | #
Simels, that's not me. Check it out for yourself.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:49 pm | #
It had to be Joe Lieberman who said "Slim Jim Dolly, Slim Jim Dolly. Slim Jim Dolly got a Slim Jim body."
He had Slim Jimentum!
Dan McEnroe |
09.17.05 - 11:50 pm | #
So once an evildoer gets a national ID card, she'll be good to go, no questions asked?
monica_nyc |
09.17.05 - 11:50 pm | #
No valid DL, no new bank accounts, no writing checks-hell sometimes using a credit card they ask for ID now, and how could an 18 year old register to vote?
It will be very difficult to live without a valid id. I understand your loathing of a national id. Agree even.
But these bastards have set us up well. We're screwed.
TheOtherWA |
09.17.05 - 11:50 pm | #
The Handmaid's Tale is one of the scariest books I ever read.
The Handmaid's Tail.
I once rented that movie. Aside from the overabundance of realistic sex scenes, it was quite good.
Felix Deutsch |
09.17.05 - 11:51 pm | #
Jennifer:
I'm not getting a national ID.
Then you'll be interfering in our fulfillment of Revelation. Why would you do that to us?
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:51 pm | #
There's not enough jail space to put people away. If people can't drive, they can't buy gas or work or shop. Unemployment will go thru the roof.
Won't require jail space. Will just require a few middle class types with no legal license, and therefore no insurance, to get in serious accidents, get sued for everthing and lose their shirts.
The rest of us will comply.
flory, Business Manager |
09.17.05 - 11:51 pm | #
Petzold, keep your rotten mouth off Texas.
Got that, maggot?
The Other Sarah |
09.17.05 - 11:51 pm | #
Simels, that's not me. Check it out for yourself.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:49 pm | #
Oh please.
Even if it isn't, it is.
You have no shame, he has no
shame....
A distinction without a difference.
Enjoy the embarassment......
steve simels |
09.17.05 - 11:52 pm | #
He had Slim Jimentum!
Slim Jimentum is a total jerky.
Eli |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:52 pm | #
If the era of Great Society big government is over, the era of big government for special interests is proving a fiasco. Especially when it's presided over by a self-styled C.E.O. with a consistent three-decade record of running private and public enterprises alike into a ditch.
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best Frank Rich eva
sittenpretty |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:52 pm | #
No valid DL, no new bank accounts, no writing checks-hell sometimes using a credit card they ask for ID now, and how could an 18 year old register to vote?
What if ya already have a passport that has nearly its full lifespan, you don't drive, don't have a state ID, and already have bank accounts or access to credit?
monica_nyc |
09.17.05 - 11:52 pm | #
ok, since we've long established the the nyt is an organ of wankery, why don't we use it for our own ends?
what's the sense of even attempting honest discourse if the slimes doesn't practice it?
instead of bitching about the slimes and trying to get them to change(pretty impossible) why not just go with it?
jdw |
09.17.05 - 11:52 pm | #
Name steeling is wrong!
Mispeeling is right!
Gotta go light the grill (Mellisa's home with some charcoal). T-Bones.
Think I'll call 9-11 (love those 1'st responders) now.
We're only screwed if we consent to being screwed by going along with it.
If enough people decide to not consent to being screwed, no one gets screwed, or there is only random token screwing, and eventually, they have to give up.
People seem to have forgotten this.
Jennifer |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:53 pm | #
It will be very difficult to live without a valid id. I understand your loathing of a national id. Agree even.
But these bastards have set us up well. We're screwed.
TheOtherWA
Word.
I totally agree with Jennifer's sentiments...but realistically, we all gotta live. And they've well and truly stacked the deck on this one.
Your life will become impossible without their id card.
flory, Business Manager |
09.17.05 - 11:54 pm | #
Slim Jimentum is a total jerky.
What's your beef?
Dan McEnroe |
09.17.05 - 11:54 pm | #
Wankers who oppose a national ID card or its bodily equivalent don't have any good reasons for doing so. And they don't have the mental resources to explain what more the G would have on us under such a system that they don't already have now.
Toby Petzold |
Homepage |
09.17.05 - 11:55 pm | #
And of course, the corollary:
When we consent to being screwed by going along with the screwing because doing otherwise would be inconvenient, we pretty much are asking to be screwed and deserving of it as well.
Jennifer |
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09.17.05 - 11:55 pm | #
"What if ya already have a passport that has nearly its full lifespan, you don't drive, don't have a state ID, and already have bank accounts or access to credit?
monica_nyc"
I guess you'll be ok, for a while. Until the passport expires anyway. *shrug*
TheOtherWA |
09.17.05 - 11:55 pm | #
Gotta go light the grill (Mellisa's home with some charcoal).
You're torching her house???
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 11:55 pm | #
What if ya already have a passport that has nearly its full lifespan, you don't drive, don't have a state ID, and already have bank accounts or access to credit?
monica_nyc
Then you're ok, as long as you don't want to change banks, refinance - or finance anything - and they don't change the passport rules to require the national id.
flory, Business Manager |
09.17.05 - 11:56 pm | #
jdw:
ok, since we've long established the the nyt is an organ of wankery, why don't we use it for our own ends?
That t-shirt is gonna be worth a lot of money on eBay one day
Couldn't do that Flory, can't part with my memento of meeting such a great bunch of people. Besides, when all of you are renowned writers, bloggers, critics, politicians, etc. I can prove it when I say "I knew them when..."
FeralLiberal |
09.17.05 - 11:56 pm | #
If enough people decide to not consent to being screwed, no one gets screwed, or there is only random token screwing, and eventually, they have to give up.
Where do I sign up for the random token screwing?
Eli |
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09.17.05 - 11:56 pm | #
Goodnight, Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.
Dan McEnroe |
09.17.05 - 11:56 pm | #
I totally agree with Jennifer's sentiments...but realistically, we all gotta live. And they've well and truly stacked the deck on this one.
Your life will become impossible without their id card.
And then the draft, erase the Bill of Rights, 1984 Flakes for breakfast every day.
Hell, they've already confiscated legal weapons from private citizens in New Orleans.
I'm going to the Gulf coast to help re-build but I swear I'll leave for Canada if they keep pushing this agenda of restricting personal freedom.
Ripley |
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09.17.05 - 11:57 pm | #
At least in Candada they get healthcare.
Ripley |
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09.17.05 - 11:58 pm | #
Besides, when all of you are renowned writers, bloggers, critics, politicians, etc. I can prove it when I say "I knew them when..."
Wankers who oppose a national ID card or its bodily equivalent don't have any
good reasons for doing so. And they don't have the mental resources to explain
what more the G would have on us under such a system that they don't already
have now.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:55 pm | #
So what you're saying is that
we should have to defend ourselves
from the national government?
I.e, if you haven't done anything
wrong, what do you have to fear?
Jeezus, asshole, when did you
stop pretending to be a libertarian?
steve simels |
09.18.05 - 12:00 am | #
clean sheets, folks
Linky? Blogger's hosed, I can't get to the main page.
Eli |
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09.18.05 - 12:01 am | #
State AG Bill Jones and Bob Dornan pulled this same shit a few years ago when the people in his district had the good sense to vote his ass into retirement and elect Laura Sanchez. They called for and got a recount and investigated the whole ``duplicate name'' issue. There was virtually no duplicity or vote scamming involved and Sanchez's election was easily upheld. Huge waste of taxpayer dollars. As she was a political novice, the idea that she somehow had the pull or the savvy to do a scam was ludicrous. This kind of crap the NYT fell for is just another form of smearing.
secularhuman |
09.18.05 - 12:17 am | #
Hey we're all for honest voting practices and procedures, right?
mike in pr |
09.18.05 - 12:49 am | #
Actually, I think we were talking about GOP in NJ trying to drum up a false voter fraud scare.
Oh, sorry to interrupt.
cde |
09.18.05 - 1:54 am | #
Yes, the NY Times is only commendable when it buys Atrios and Media Matters lies.
Funny how that works.
Cog |
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09.18.05 - 2:08 am | #
Yo, Toby.
We already know that your a fascist dumbass.
You don't have to keep posting to inform us of that, mkay?