I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

GravatarHey!


GravatarI think I may be first?


GravatarSo So close


GravatarKansas: 2, rest of the world: 0


GravatarHolaScan's not counting comments. huh that!


Gravatartenth!


GravatarFuck the chaeap bastards


Gravatarwait, CS and Old Man are kansans? cool. i was born in junction city. haven't been back in several million years.


GravatarSo, basically, a national ID card is the enemy of liberty and Democratic voters get a free pass on fraud because they are mentally or economically disadvantaged and the rest of us should just learn to put up with it. Okay. Thanks.


Gravatarhaven't been back in several million years.


You lucky, lucky bastard!



Gravatary kant toby read?


GravatarAw, Tobes, shut the fuck up.

G'night, 'bats.


.


Gravatarignore, do not feed, etc.


GravatarOne of these days, Atrios needs to declare a wanker of the millenium award....NYT is odds on favorite....


Gravatary kant toby read?
Atrios

What???


Gravatary kant toby read?

Worthless as tits on a boar hog.


GravatarKatrina should be yet another reason why a national ID card is a great idea. People lose their confidence in governments and NGOs when nobody can verify a person's ID. Thumbprints or tattoos for all! That will be my battle cry.


GravatarEase off on the Times - they're just trying to reach out to another segment of the population they feel they haven't addressed adequately in recent years: the chronically full of shit.


GravatarWhat's that awful smell?


GravatarAtrios, this sort of story doesn't really have any other purpose, does it? Let's mitigate the seriousness of the charge of fraud by shifting it around as much as possible. Okay.


GravatarSo, basically, a national ID card is the enemy of liberty and Democratic voters get a free pass on fraud because they are mentally or economically disadvantaged and the rest of us should just learn to put up with it. Okay. Thanks.

I don't get the jump in logic.

And how does a national ID card prevent fraud? And what type of fraud are we talking about here?


Gravatary kant toby read?

I don't even think he bothered - I think he just showed up with a bug up his ass about ID cards.


GravatarOh, never mind...


GravatarHas the ugly, stupid and unloved one yet made any commment to the point?


GravatarJust think how hard Diebold machines will have to work at discounting votes, if thousands of Democrats are voting more than once.

For shame!


GravatarYes Toby, now go back to sleep, mummy will bring you a nice cup of warm milk,that's nice


GravatarDonna Brazile gets an honorary Wankerita prize for the keess-eeng of el Chimperador's spotty culo.

Wankerrrita.

so.


GravatarOnce again I ask that people not respond to trolls. It's irresponsible. You don't know what their real lives are like or what damage comments here can cause there. Please . . .


GravatarBut research is so boring! What's wrong with just repeating anything anyone tells us? [/dumbass lazy media]


Gravatar"You lucky, lucky bastard!"

yeah, can't say i'm longing to return, though if i do it will be in a flying spaghetti monster t-shirt.


Gravatar Donna Brazile gets an honorary Wankerita prize for the keess-eeng of el Chimperador's spotty culo.

Wankerrrita.


I'm convinced that her and Shrum are double agents.


GravatarToby:

Pop quiz:


Who said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?


GravatarNew Jersey: It's the New Florida!


GravatarWho said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?


Ashlee Simpson!


Gravatar"el Chimperador's spotty culo"

El Gato Negro, I have to ask. How could you know Chimpy's culo is spotty?
And do I really want to know?


Gravatarcs,

I'm in full-on ignore mode now.

Just watch me.


GravatarThey'll issue me a national ID card when they haul my ass, kicking, scratching, and screaming, down to the Bureau of Identity.


Gravatar...the NJ GOP decided they would get some press by floating the idea that there was massive voter fraud in NJ, and the New York Times ate the entire press release up without telling you the entire process was merely an experiment in running a query in a database.

It's 'cause writing about numbers or statistical scientific stuff is hard work 'cause science types use that funny talk...

Not just wankers, Pravda, idiot wankers...


GravatarNot just wankers, Pravda, idiot wankers...

Izvestia not to complain, really.


GravatarWhere's Sallyh?

This post would be right up her alley.


GravatarJennifer, I believe national id already passed. If your state doesn't meet the new federal standards in 3 years, you won't be allowed to apply for any federal job or fly.

Welcome to amerika in the 21st century.


GravatarWho said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?


Sinclair Lewis


Gravatar Where's Sallyh?

This post would be right up her alley.


Good question. She missed Dracula 3000, too.


GravatarThe borrow and spend Big Government Conservatives running things would love to have a national ID card, it would make Corproate "America"'s life so much easier.


GravatarCS -- Thanks.
.


GravatarHey Toby:

We're still waiting for your
answer to the big question:

Why are you in bed with the official
party of racism, homophobia, theocracy,
murder and torture?


Bonus question:

Do you still say Kristen Breitwiser
is a 9/11 whore?


Gravatarboo.


GravatarSimels:

Who said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?


I don't know. Henry Ford?


GravatarJennifer, I believe national id already passed. If your state doesn't meet the new federal standards in 3 years, you won't be allowed to apply for any federal job or fly.

Welcome to amerika in the 21st century.


That'll work out Great for the airlines!

Hey, who wants a slice of Freedom? Last one, get it while it's fresh!


Gravatarwhen they haul my ass, kicking, scratching, and screaming

You have a very angry ass. And rather tricked-out, since apparently it has claws and vocal cords, too.

I'm kinda jealous, cuz mine's the standard model.


GravatarWho said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?

Sinclair Lewis
kelley b. | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:20 pm | #


Bingo!!!!!!

Think Toby's ever read him?


I don't.


GravatarHey Toby:

Ever read Sinclair Lewis?




Hell, ever even heard of him?


Gravatar boo.

Who?


GravatarSteve, toss him an easy one:

Who said, "Luke, I am your father?"


GravatarDo you still say Kristen Breitwiser
is a 9/11 whore?


More like a 9/11 pleasurebot, really...


Gravatari didn't read the post. how is everyone?


GravatarEl Gato Negro, I have to ask. How could you know Chimpy's culo is spotty?
And do I really want to know?


ˇMadre del Gatos de Dios! How can joo no see when eet ees plastered all over the televisor?

so.


GravatarWho said, "Luke, I am your father?"

Henry Ford?


GravatarWho said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?

I don't know. Henry Ford?
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:22 pm | #


Brilliant.

You're suggesting a genuine American
fascist would make a satirical
point about American fascism.





Dumber than a sack of hammers.


GravatarI'd never read Lewsi, butlast year I felt I had to (along with THe Handmaid's Tale and a re-re-read of 1984)


GravatarWhat's that awful smell?
The Old Man From Scene 24

People responding.

.


GravatarWho said, "Luke, I am your father?"

Uncle Jesse?


GravatarNo that was "Edsel, I am your Father".


Gravatarwho said "whomp! there it is!"?


GravatarWho said, "Luke, I am your father?"

Supermodel Kate Moss?


GravatarI'd never read Lewsi, butlast year I felt I had to (along with THe Handmaid's
Tale and a re-re-read of 1984)
The Old Man From Scene 24 | Email | 09.17.05 - 11:


Kiddo -- read "It Can't Happen Here"
and "Babbitt."


The guy nailed our reality....


including assholes like Toby.


GravatarI'm convinced that her and Shrum are double agents.
Eli


Uh, uh.

Neither one is smart enough.

They're just really, really good with that one act play -- the "New" Democrat.'

Doesn't take a lot of smarts.


Gravatarwho said "whomp! there it is!"?

henry ford?


Gravatarwho said "whomp! there it is!"?

Leisha Hailey, in one of those Yoplait commercials?


Gravatar read "It Can't Happen Here"
and


That's what I read.


GravatarHow's Dracula 3000? Bad as I expected?


GravatarWho said "Dino, I am your father" ?


GravatarWho said, "Luke, I am your father?"

OOOH! I know this!!!

The Baby Jebus!


GravatarAnyway, what is the Democrats' objection to making ID cards a prerequisite to voting? Will it cut into their numbers?


GravatarThey're just really, really good with that one act play -- the "New" Democrat.'

What will it take for the Democrats to realize that they're Losers with a capital L?


Gravatarwhat did donna brazile say?


Gravatarwho said, "ah, but your land is beautiful"?


GravatarWho said: "It's ritual sacrifice ... with pie."?


Gravatar who said "whomp! there it is!"?

Mr. Rogers?


GravatarThe Old Man From Scene 24:

Oops.



Sorry.....


GravatarWell,

All I can say is that if we are in fact stealing elections in this country, WE ARE DOING ONE HELL OF SHITTY JOB!

Christ, what is their problem. They can't understand why they didn't win EVERY FUCKING RACE IN EVERY STATE?

That's the sure sign of a Repuke -- never stop bitching, even when you've won everything!


Gravatar How's Dracula 3000? Bad as I expected?

Oh yeah. It rocked.


GravatarMore like a 9/11 pleasurebot, really...

[pats it]

Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout.

[explosion]


Gravatari didn't read the post. how is everyone?
Olaf glad and big

Mean ether.

I tried, but just didn't register. Gave up after a quick scan.

Fine here, how u.

.


Gravatar Who said: "It's ritual sacrifice ... with pie."?

Sallyh?


GravatarSimels:

Ever read Sinclair Lewis?

No. But wasn't he Eugene Debs' official biographer?


Gravatar"Conservatives dumb. Me smart."

No. Actually, quite the other way around, yes? You'll understand when you are older.


Gravatarwho said, "ah, but your land is beautiful"?

woody guthrie?


GravatarAnyway, what is the Democrats' objection to making ID cards a prerequisite to
voting? Will it cut into their numbers?
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:29 pm | #


No, but when the Democrats retake
the government we will use them to
hunt you down and kill you.


Still think it's a good idea?


Gravatarglad to hear you're ok, agave. even though you are l;iving in exile in the vile state of texas.


Gravatarwho said, "ah, but your land is beautiful"?

woody guthrie?


No, it was the other one. What's his name, Buzz Lightspeed or somethin'.


Gravatarwhat did donna brazile say? ~ jello

She say "oh! el chimperador! jour culo, eet looks machismo een those jeans, oohhhh... and weeth that fake work-shirt, ummm, I can no longer restrain myself, mmmmmmmmmmwah! *kissy kissy*

so.


GravatarNo, but when the Democrats retake
the government we will use them to
hunt you down and kill you.


Still think it's a good idea?
steve simels | Email | 09.17.05 - 11:31 pm | #


Oh and by the phrase "hunt you down
and kill you" I don't mean Republicans
in general....I mean you specifically.



Still think it's a good idea?


GravatarWho said "Slim Jim Dolly, Slim Jim Dolly. Slim Jim Dolly got a Slim Jim body."?

No googling!


Gravatarno, sampo. it was someone whose name i can't remember. i believe his name was william payton. and it referred to south africa. it was in a book called "cry, the beloved country", i think.


GravatarOne of these days, Atrios needs to declare a wanker of the millenium award....NYT is odds on favorite....
flory, Business Manager | Email | 09.17.05 - 11:12 pm | #
*********************************
my vote still goes to the incomparably ugly (inside and out) Andrea Greenspin....just sayin


GravatarThe Handmaid's Tale is one of the scariest books I ever read. I could see the beginnings of religious fanaticism carried to those lengths, but my friends thought I was paranoid.

They don't think that anymore.


GravatarTexas isn't vile. It is a land of patriots. A place where people of all kinds know their place.


Gravatar Who said "Slim Jim Dolly, Slim Jim Dolly. Slim Jim Dolly got a Slim Jim body."?

Ram Jam?


Gravataralan paton. i knew that. really.


GravatarSimels:

Ever read Sinclair Lewis?

No. But wasn't he Eugene Debs' official biographer?
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:31 pm | #


Ever read either one of them?


Gravatarmy vote still goes to the incomparably ugly (inside and out) Andrea Greenspin....just sayin

She's already chosen her punishment, though.


Gravatarglad to hear you're ok, agave. even though you are living in exile in the vile state of texas.
Olaf glad and big

Exile! Never thought of it taht (1337) way. That be cool.

.


GravatarI don't have a problem proving who I am when I vote. Why should others? They're either too stupid to vote in the first place or they're hiding something.


GravatarSure, I know they passed the national ID bullshit. I've just chosen not to go along with it.

You know, we all have a choice in this. We can choose not to comply. What the fuck are they going to do if half the country - hell, even the 25% of it that's relatively intelligent - refuse to comply?

We tend to forget that they "govern" (this isn't the right word for what they do) at our consent.

I don't consent to a national ID card. I don't know of many who do.

And yes, I know that most people are sheep, who even when they disagree, will go along so as not to rock the boat. And that's fine; that's their call. It doesn't have anything to do with what I choose to do, however.


GravatarThe Handmaid's Tale is one of the scariest books I ever read. I could see the beginnings of religious fanaticism carried to those lengths, but my friends thought I was paranoid.

Yup scary shit, and not too far off from what some of the the corse GOP supporters want...


GravatarTexas isn't vile. It is a land of patriots. A place where people of all kinds know their place.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:34 pm | #

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texas is vile. it is a confederate fantasy about the west.


GravatarWhat will it take for the Democrats to realize that they're Losers with a capital L?
Eli


At a minimum -- Donna Brazile, Shrum and all their ilk are ridden out of town on the rails....

Then a good anatomy lesson...location of the spine and gonads...


Gravataralan paton. i knew that. really.
deluxe sampo | Email | 09.17.05 - 11:34 pm | #

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thanks. the only thing i was sure of is that it wasn't walter payton.


GravatarOh, it's the asshole namestealer. How's it going?


Gravataror peyton manning


GravatarIt is stupid for individuals, or even a small organized group (say a few hundred) to commit vote fraud by voting twice. The potential penalties (large fines and possibly jail time) far outweigh the potential gains (a few votes that won't tilt anything except the most tiny local race, in most cases). Even if there were 7000 of these cases, I have a hard time believing it was organized by anyone. Whatever fraud there was probably was spit between the parties.


Gravatar Sure, I know they passed the national ID bullshit. I've just chosen not to go along with it.

You know, we all have a choice in this. We can choose not to comply. What the fuck are they going to do if half the country - hell, even the 25% of it that's relatively intelligent - refuse to comply?


That's happening in Britain already. There's a union formed to stop the Nat'l ID and the gov't is scared. gotta love it!


GravatarI thought it was,"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Probably 10 people have posted this by now.


GravatarAt a minimum -- Donna Brazile, Shrum and all their ilk are ridden out of town on the rails....

I can't understand why anyone would touch Shrum with a 12-foot pole after 2000. Brazile at least didn't have nearly as long a track record of losing - Shrum's made a career out of it, he's like the Washington Generals of electoral politics.


Gravatari want a motorcycle.


Gravatar A place where people of all kinds know their place.

Umm... who said "A place for every man, and every man in his place"?


GravatarI don't have a problem proving who I am when I vote. Why should others?
They're either too stupid to vote in the first place or they're hiding something.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:35 pm | #




Dude....just stop it already.

You're making a world class ass
of yourself.


Actually, don't stop it....
you're killing us!


GravatarWe can choose not to comply.
Yup. The only weapon we have is our refusal. (Thanks, Michael Collins)


GravatarOh, mi Gato Negro, you certainly do have a way with words. Your synopsis of Donna Brazile's wankeritisma was absolutely perfect. I swoon in your general direction.


GravatarUmm... who said "A place for every man, and every man in his place"?

Henry Ford?

Viggo of Carpathia?


GravatarWho said the following?

"One day we would send a letter to have someone taken off the rolls, and the next day, we would send one to put them back on again," .... "It makes you look like you must be a dummy."

Answer is here.


GravatarToby:

Are you aware that the word irony
has nothing to do with pressing
your wet laundry?


Just wondering.....


Gravatarmy vote still goes to the incomparably ugly (inside and out) Andrea Greenspin....just sayin
sittenpretty


The choices are many and varied.

But for sheer ugliness and effective wankeriness....its gotta be Izvestia on the Hudson....


GravatarThe most despicable part of the national id is that it's your driver's licence/state id (whichever you use). The states will require you to bring a copy of your birth certificate and whatever else they demand, in order to renew your DL.

If your state's licencing dept. fulfills the national id standards, you have a national id. If not, good luck living a modern life.


Gravatar

Who said "when fascism comes to
the United States, it will be wearing
an American face"?


Hey, looky here!


GravatarTheOtherWA - I predict a lot of unlicensed drivers in the very near future.


GravatarRiddle me this:


How can you tell the difference
between the shit Toby Petzold
actually says, and the insane
crap meanspirited namestealers
post for him?










Answer:

You can't.


That's the point.


Gravatar"Once again I ask that people not respond to trolls. It's irresponsible. You don't know what their real lives are like or what damage comments here can cause there. Please . . ."

CS -- could you be more specific, please?


Gravatar"Once again I ask that people not respond to trolls. It's irresponsible. You don't know what their real lives are like or what damage comments here can cause there. Please . . ."

CS -- could you be more specific, please?


GravatarOh hell, can't we just wear our fucking Freedom Walk t-shirts and be done with it?

What more do they want from us? Seriously! What's next, fucking dress codes and no hair below the collar?

WTF happened to America, land of the free?


Gravatar "Conservatives dumb. Me smart."

No. Actually, quite the other way around, yes?


Ok. "Me smart. Conservatives dumb."

Still works for me...


GravatarA place where people of all kinds know their place.
Toby Petzold


The age old cry of the royalist.


GravatarI can't understand why anyone would touch Shrum with a 12-foot pole after 2000

That goes to both the insider clubby, kewl kidz nature of retail politics... and to the aforementioned lack of gonads...

They're all scared shitless to step outside their comfort zone.

And the DLC types are the very heart of the comfort zone.

Winning elections appears to be a secondary consideration.


GravatarWho said: "It's ritual sacrifice ... with pie."?

Sallyh?

Good guess! It was Anya, with whom Sallyh surely shares a justified fear of bunnies.


GravatarSteve - Your retorts have become much more varied and cutting since you abandonded your former catch phrase. At least I have it immortalized on a T-shirt.


GravatarRadioacticity...
It's in the air, for you and me...


GravatarTheOtherWA - I predict a lot of unlicensed drivers in the very near future.
Jennifer


No license, no insurance.

That's what'll scare most people, me included, into complying.


GravatarRadioactivity...
It's in the air, for you and me...


GravatarWho said "Slim Jim Dolly, Slim Jim Dolly. Slim Jim Dolly got a Slim Jim body."?

Jimmy Jeff Gannon Guckert?


GravatarEmperor Shaddam Corrino IV speaking of the Faufreluches, of course.

Doubtless also a descendent of the Plantagenets.


GravatarSteve - Your retorts have become much more varied and cutting since you
abandonded your former catch phrase. At least I have it immortalized on a
T-shirt.
FeralLiberal | Email | 09.17.05 - 11:43 pm | #

Thank you for saying.



I like to think I'm entering some
kind of mid-period improvisatory
phase.

Like Miles Davis, or somebody.



But we'll always have the t-shirt.....


GravatarNo license, no insurance.

That's what'll scare most people, me included, into complying.
flory, Business Manager


Whereas I foresee a brisk business in phonying up ID cards.

America's last growth industry.


Gravatar
No license, no insurance.

That's what'll scare most people, me included, into complying.


There's not enough jail space to put people away. If people can't drive, they can't buy gas or work or shop. Unemployment will go thru the roof.

Tying Nat'l ID to anything else is a bad, bad idea.


GravatarAt least I have it immortalized on a T-shirt.
FeralLiberal


That t-shirt is gonna be worth a lot of money on eBay one day.


GravatarNo, wait! I change my answer. It had to be Joe Lieberman who said "Slim Jim Dolly, Slim Jim Dolly. Slim Jim Dolly got a Slim Jim body." Had to be.


GravatarY'all can see that there's a namestealer by runing your cursors over the hyperlink under Fauxby Petzold's signature. The dumbass misspelled something. Of course, now he knows he did, but I wanted you to see for yourselves, anyway.


GravatarA place where people of all kinds know their place.
Toby Petzold

The age old cry of the royalist.
Death of Rats | 09.17.05 - 11:42 pm | #


Yup.


I actually never thought I would
live to see somebody post such
obvious scumbaggery.


Tobes, just kill yourself okay?


GravatarWhereas I foresee a brisk business in phonying up ID cards.

Remember that guy in the dorm room down the hall who was really good at changing the ages on drivers' licenses? Dude's gonna be hooked up...


Gravatarflory - fuck it. I'll drive without it.

I'm just not going to do this. It's bullshit. Anyone with a state ID or driver's license is already on the rolls. If they want to compile a national list, they have the means to do so already from state IDs and SS#s. These shitbirds are exactly the type to compile this information for political ops and to sell to corporate cronies. After seeing how DeLay misused the DHS to track down Texas legislators, they can suck it. I'm not getting a national ID.


GravatarYeah, yeah: running.


GravatarSimels, that's not me. Check it out for yourself.


GravatarIt had to be Joe Lieberman who said "Slim Jim Dolly, Slim Jim Dolly. Slim Jim Dolly got a Slim Jim body."

He had Slim Jimentum!


GravatarSo once an evildoer gets a national ID card, she'll be good to go, no questions asked?


GravatarNo valid DL, no new bank accounts, no writing checks-hell sometimes using a credit card they ask for ID now, and how could an 18 year old register to vote?

It will be very difficult to live without a valid id. I understand your loathing of a national id. Agree even.
But these bastards have set us up well. We're screwed.


Gravatar The Handmaid's Tale is one of the scariest books I ever read.

The Handmaid's Tail.
I once rented that movie. Aside from the overabundance of realistic sex scenes, it was quite good.


GravatarJennifer:

I'm not getting a national ID.

Then you'll be interfering in our fulfillment of Revelation. Why would you do that to us?


GravatarThere's not enough jail space to put people away. If people can't drive, they can't buy gas or work or shop. Unemployment will go thru the roof.

Won't require jail space. Will just require a few middle class types with no legal license, and therefore no insurance, to get in serious accidents, get sued for everthing and lose their shirts.

The rest of us will comply.


GravatarPetzold, keep your rotten mouth off Texas.

Got that, maggot?


GravatarSimels, that's not me. Check it out for yourself.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:49 pm | #



Oh please.

Even if it isn't, it is.

You have no shame, he has no
shame....


A distinction without a difference.



Enjoy the embarassment......


GravatarHe had Slim Jimentum!

Slim Jimentum is a total jerky.


GravatarIf the era of Great Society big government is over, the era of big government for special interests is proving a fiasco. Especially when it's presided over by a self-styled C.E.O. with a consistent three-decade record of running private and public enterprises alike into a ditch.
***********************************
best Frank Rich eva


GravatarNo valid DL, no new bank accounts, no writing checks-hell sometimes using a credit card they ask for ID now, and how could an 18 year old register to vote?

What if ya already have a passport that has nearly its full lifespan, you don't drive, don't have a state ID, and already have bank accounts or access to credit?


Gravatarok, since we've long established the the nyt is an organ of wankery, why don't we use it for our own ends?

what's the sense of even attempting honest discourse if the slimes doesn't practice it?

instead of bitching about the slimes and trying to get them to change(pretty impossible) why not just go with it?


GravatarName steeling is wrong!

Mispeeling is right!

Gotta go light the grill (Mellisa's home with some charcoal). T-Bones.

Think I'll call 9-11 (love those 1'st responders) now.

(kinna buzzed)

.


GravatarTheOtherWA - that was exactly my point.

We're only screwed if we consent to being screwed by going along with it.

If enough people decide to not consent to being screwed, no one gets screwed, or there is only random token screwing, and eventually, they have to give up.

People seem to have forgotten this.


GravatarIt will be very difficult to live without a valid id. I understand your loathing of a national id. Agree even.
But these bastards have set us up well. We're screwed.
TheOtherWA


Word.

I totally agree with Jennifer's sentiments...but realistically, we all gotta live. And they've well and truly stacked the deck on this one.

Your life will become impossible without their id card.


GravatarSlim Jimentum is a total jerky.

What's your beef?


GravatarWankers who oppose a national ID card or its bodily equivalent don't have any good reasons for doing so. And they don't have the mental resources to explain what more the G would have on us under such a system that they don't already have now.


GravatarAnd of course, the corollary:

When we consent to being screwed by going along with the screwing because doing otherwise would be inconvenient, we pretty much are asking to be screwed and deserving of it as well.


Gravatar"What if ya already have a passport that has nearly its full lifespan, you don't drive, don't have a state ID, and already have bank accounts or access to credit?
monica_nyc"

I guess you'll be ok, for a while. Until the passport expires anyway. *shrug*


GravatarGotta go light the grill (Mellisa's home with some charcoal).

You're torching her house???


GravatarWhat if ya already have a passport that has nearly its full lifespan, you don't drive, don't have a state ID, and already have bank accounts or access to credit?
monica_nyc


Then you're ok, as long as you don't want to change banks, refinance - or finance anything - and they don't change the passport rules to require the national id.


Gravatarjdw:

ok, since we've long established the the nyt is an organ of wankery, why don't we use it for our own ends?

Rich.


GravatarThat t-shirt is gonna be worth a lot of money on eBay one day

Couldn't do that Flory, can't part with my memento of meeting such a great bunch of people. Besides, when all of you are renowned writers, bloggers, critics, politicians, etc. I can prove it when I say "I knew them when..."


GravatarIf enough people decide to not consent to being screwed, no one gets screwed, or there is only random token screwing, and eventually, they have to give up.

Where do I sign up for the random token screwing?


GravatarGoodnight, Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.


Gravatar
I totally agree with Jennifer's sentiments...but realistically, we all gotta live. And they've well and truly stacked the deck on this one.

Your life will become impossible without their id card.


And then the draft, erase the Bill of Rights, 1984 Flakes for breakfast every day.

Hell, they've already confiscated legal weapons from private citizens in New Orleans.

I'm going to the Gulf coast to help re-build but I swear I'll leave for Canada if they keep pushing this agenda of restricting personal freedom.


GravatarAt least in Candada they get healthcare.


GravatarBesides, when all of you are renowned writers, bloggers, critics, politicians, etc. I can prove it when I say "I knew them when..."

"Eli *who*?"


Gravatarclean sheets, folks


GravatarWankers who oppose a national ID card or its bodily equivalent don't have any
good reasons for doing so. And they don't have the mental resources to explain
what more the G would have on us under such a system that they don't already
have now.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.17.05 - 11:55 pm | #


So what you're saying is that
we should have to defend ourselves
from the national government?

I.e, if you haven't done anything
wrong, what do you have to fear?




Jeezus, asshole, when did you
stop pretending to be a libertarian?


Gravatar clean sheets, folks

Linky? Blogger's hosed, I can't get to the main page.


GravatarNever mind, I got it.

http://www.haloscan.com/ comments...701482440176514

If anyone needs it...


GravatarComments page for new thread, which is an open thread -- These threads are razors to my wounded heart -- is here.


GravatarThe New York Times is so, well, 19th century.


GravatarThe moronic brownshirt fucks is particularly brownshirty tonight, is it not?

And tepidly tedious, as usual.


GravatarState AG Bill Jones and Bob Dornan pulled this same shit a few years ago when the people in his district had the good sense to vote his ass into retirement and elect Laura Sanchez. They called for and got a recount and investigated the whole ``duplicate name'' issue. There was virtually no duplicity or vote scamming involved and Sanchez's election was easily upheld. Huge waste of taxpayer dollars. As she was a political novice, the idea that she somehow had the pull or the savvy to do a scam was ludicrous. This kind of crap the NYT fell for is just another form of smearing.


GravatarHey we're all for honest voting practices and procedures, right?


GravatarActually, I think we were talking about GOP in NJ trying to drum up a false voter fraud scare.

Oh, sorry to interrupt.


GravatarYes, the NY Times is only commendable when it buys Atrios and Media Matters lies.

Funny how that works.


GravatarYo, Toby.

We already know that your a fascist dumbass.

You don't have to keep posting to inform us of that, mkay?

Now, please kindly eat shit and die.

Asswipe.


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