I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
FRIST?
Excellent
second?
Frist--bah! Too slow.
At least it's so fitting now.
Fuck Frist!
But when Frist is in jail, will he still appear at the top of threads?
am i a threadkiller or what?
First! No, no, no, I am first!
Frist!
Whatever!
By the way, am I the only one who finds Martha Stewart strangely attractive?
am i a threadkiller or what?
chicago dyke
At least you're not a catkiller.
re complaints about the protest gumbo.
beggars can't be choosers.
now if we had an opposition party...
OK, I may not be first, but it is due to mer.
rad- i find her incredibly sexy, in an evil, dominatrix kind of way. she's a tad too old for me, but still, i bet she was great in the sack in her polish-last name days...
Hillary perfects human cloning. A little snark aimed at the local GOP.
Curmudgeon that I am, I could do without this bouncy college student emcee. Not a lot of gravitas.
rad- i find her incredibly sexy, in an evil, dominatrix kind of way. she's a tad too old for me, but still, i bet she was great in the sack in her polish-last name days...
chicago dyke
Yes! That's what I'm talkin' about. ;^D
I went to bed at around 1 am, and Chris /tx and Agave were about to get Rita - they live near Houston- has anybody read a post from them this morning?
By the way, am I the only one who finds Martha Stewart strangely attractive?
She would may an exquisite gargoyle on my house. It's a ghoul thing.
Omnes--and who more deserving to be first? 
I'm liking this actual Christian.
who is this Yes guy talking...oh, a UCC dude. we need some fire and brimstone liberal preachers, the pasty serious types are just dull.
Plum P--I think it missed them for the most part, if the news reports are to be believed.
Wow, someone resembling WGG was just up at the demonstration.
girlfriend says 100k at the protest.
I went to bed at around 1 am, and Chris /tx and Agave were about to get Rita - they live near Houston- has anybody read a post from them this morning?
Plum P | 09.24.05 - 1:13 pm | #
or Seaxneat/PoppieProng? he's in the Houston area too.
girlfriend says 100k at the protest.
DC Park Police will say 33K, whaddya bet?
cd-maybe we'll get Al Sharpton soon.
Love him or hate him. he's a barn burner in front of a crowd like this. Jesse Jackson spoke earlier, but he doesn't have the fire he used to when he was younger.
This mom could be me.
Halliburton! Iraq! Katrina! Haiti! Palestine! Venezuela! Poverty! Justice! Impeachment! Benton Harbor, Michigan!
Gee, there's nothing like a unified message. Is it any wonder that "God hates fags" and "support our troops" seem to play better in the trailer park?
WE're the People's Front of Judea!
I haven't seen a seaxneat post or blog update in two days.
Just remember: Chimpy is a uniter, not a divider.
lavalamp-
" On November 30, 2004, 24-year-old Phillip Quinn died in a lava lamp accident. The glass lamp bottle exploded while Mr. Quinn was heating it on top of his home stove, killing him by sending a glass shard through his heart."
-from wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava_lamp
Lavalamp--it's possible he went out of state to join the wife while weathering it out.
anne roesler- please run for office. she rocks.
This is the most boring preacher I've ever heard. I pity his congregation.
And I'm sorry for the surreal timing, but I'm live-blogging about 10 minutes delayed thanks to TiVo.
" Just remember: Chimpy is a uniter, not a divider."
Sure is - look how we all hate him.
Just remember: Chimpy is a uniter, not a divider.
CEA | 09.24.05 - 1:18 pm | #
I can add, but was never much good at math either. But that's where the similarities end!
The helicopters make me uneasy.
How about
"Worst President Ever"?
Unified Field of Boosh Critical Theory.
I love this guy - This is the most dangerous government in the history of the U.S.
Damn right.
rad -
it's a big country. you're bound to find others who find her attractive. am i the only one who finds her to be a repulsive, unsustainably consumeristic, bitch goddess?
-from wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava_lamp
spinoza --
oh man, is that cross-posted at darwin awards? 
First they kick them out, then they won't let them back in again.
Go, Anne Roesler.
The helicopters make me uneasy.
Sallyh
I think that's the point, SallyH.
Gee, there's nothing like a unified message. Is it any wonder that "God hates fags" and "support our troops" seem to play better in the trailer park?
But, but, but....there's just so much to be upset about these days!
speaking of gravitas, reminds me of richard clarke. he has that in spades. wouldn't it be interesting if he ran for prez? don't see it happening though.
Halliburton! Iraq! Katrina! Haiti! Palestine! Venezuela! Poverty! Justice! Impeachment! Benton Harbor, Michigan!
Gee, there's nothing like a unified message. Is it any wonder that "God hates fags" and "support our troops" seem to play better in the trailer park?
WE're the People's Front of Judea!
CEA | 09.24.05 - 1:17 pm | #
well, there's something to what you're saying, but i don't think goosestepping is what we're supposed to be going for on the left.
and besides, i think everyone here can agree on one idea: impeach bush.
CEA-everybody gets a few minutes to plug their pet cause at these things. It doesn't matter, the rally is just a way to keep people occupied until all the buses & trains arrive. When you're there, half the people are not listening to it anyway. They're trying to find their friends, shopping for buttons or t-shirts, or looking for food or a bathroom. The main thing is the marching, but there's no way to capture that on TV.
As for a unified message, ALL this crap is interrelated.
" The helicopters make me uneasy."
I have one big DC protest on my resume - the helicopters were a little freaky but the horses were the worst.
That, and the DC cops in mad max style body armor.
If I were to graph this, it would all converge at "Impeach Bush."
CEA - ok, this is the second thread where you've bitched about the speakers and the lack of organization.
I think you're wrong - every speaker has hit hard on the illegality of the administration and the war -
that's what this is about, right?
"am i the only one who finds her to be a repulsive, unsustainably consumeristic, bitch goddess?"
Some people find that attractive.
Oh, so THIS is the winter of our discontent!
Why is there not even ONE mention of the DC protest in the news?
Why do I have to read down through the endless "I'm first, no me, no me" chitchat on an Open Thread at Eschaton to even see if the protest march was cancelled or something?(thank you, Chicago Dyke!)
This place has been defanged by the Nov 3rd robbery. We now hide out in our darkened homes and peer out at the scary world fascism on the outside.
By the way, am I the only one who finds Martha Stewart strangely attractive?
well, id take her over leona helmsley.
thanks spinoza, I've received several similiar warnings but that was the most vivid! I'll avoid all stovetops in the virtual world.
THIS is the winter of our discontent!
Discount tent?
Bad Art--we knew goddamn well it wouldn't get coverage in the news.
cea compare it to the clowns at the pro war protests, i guarantee we look better.
By the way, am I the only one who finds Martha Stewart strangely attractive?
well, id take her over leona helmsley.
pretzelattack
We've all become experts at lowering the bar....
This is your "pull the other one it's got bells on it" moment of the day.
Rice fast became a "member of the family," spending more weekends with the President and First Lady than any other national security advisor in history, perhaps explaining her Freudian slip when in April 2004 she referred to Bush as "my husband." Now colleagues say she is so close to W that it's hard to tell what's his idea and what's hers. "At this point, it's a chicken-and-egg thing," says one Republican close to the White House. "The rap on Condi when she was national security advisor was that she'd look at the President's face and his words would come out of her mouth before they came out of his."
http://www.aarpmagazine.org/
peop...condoleeza.html
How many married women have you ever heard call another man "my husband"? How many never-been-married women have ever had this phrase come out of their mouths? You believe it just tripped off of her tongue?
And, no. I'm not a memeber.
Oh, great poet coming up.
Sallyh, I agree the root cause, and for that matter, the solution are interrelated. I'm saying that the message is hopelessly scattershot.
Do we want to bring the troops home? When? Now? Do we want to impeach Bush? Do we want to get Israel out of Palestine? If the problem is Bush, make the movement about Bush!
The helicopters make me uneasy.
I am just so sad that it took the federal government 2-3 days to get into action to cover this demonstration.
/snark
Thought I'd share....I had to call the IRS today for some payment crap. They've got a recorded message about deferring tax payments for people in the Gulfcoast area, or as they refer to it, the "Presidential Disaster Area."
Heh.
The Washington columnist in my local newspaper La Presse (in Montréal) had half a page today with the title " Will Condi run in 08?"
The bitch can't be serious. The columnist is paranoid, right?
cea compare it to the clowns at the pro war protests, i guarantee we look better.
pretzelattack
Thank you! I knew there was a silver lining somewhere!
ms. hammad is way hot.
well, id take her over leona helmsley.
pretzelattack-Raise your standards!
thanks for the seaxneat update, sallyh. How are those GIANT cinnamon buns coming, btw?
One of the things the helicopters are doing is photographing the crowd. Ostensibly for headcounts.
the Gulfcoast area, or as they refer to it, the "Presidential Disaster Area."
Another case of Rovian spin. Most of us would call the entire United States a "Presidential Disaster Area."
By the way, George Martin can speak.
" Will Condi run in 08?"
So will Condoleezza Rice run for president in 2008? "Nyet, nyet," she told the Russian press. "I won't do it," she told ABC's This Week in March. "I don't know how many ways to say no." Likewise, many friends and family dismiss the notion. "I don't think she'll run for office," says Aunt G. "Teaching is her first love." Also dubious are many political pundits. "This is about as serious as Laura Bush running," says political scholar Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institution, noting that the last person to win the presidency without experience in elective office was General Dwight D. Eisenhower. "I think it's silly, and frankly, I think she does too."
From the same lap-up job in the AARP rag.
The poetry ain't doin' it for me.
We need fewer bleeding hearts and more righteous rage.
cea i grant you , we dont have martin luther king making an "I have a dream" speech or JFK "Ask not what you can do for your country".
Lavalamp--they're on their first rising. Gonna be a couple of hours.
Yeah, that Condi/husband thing is a little creepy. Fantasies creeping into reality, no doubt.
I suspect that "nyet" is the extent of her fluent Russian. But I'm sure she says it fluently.
NTodd around? Kogda?
you actually make them from scratch Sallyh?
The Washington columnist in my local newspaper La Presse (in Montréal) had half a page today with the title " Will Condi run in 08?"
The bitch can't be serious. The columnist is paranoid, right?
Plum P | 09.24.05 - 1:28 pm | #
Try Colin & Condi in '08
"Nyet, nyet," she told the Russian press.
That's about the extent of Condi's "fluent Russian," if I remember correctly.
ept --
holy crap -- isn't that interesting that aarp would include that anecdote about rice in their magazine. that magazine claims that world's largest circulation. i think this is kind of subversive -- cause everybody thinks it's a weird friggin statement that rice made and completely undercuts the carefully crafted public image of her. she's a freak!
Plum P--sure do.
"Colin & Condi in '08"
Ball-less and Clueless
Fast-forwarding over the poet, sorry.
CEA, I suspect she's his concubine. What else does she have to offer Bushco? As much as I loathe him Collin had more to offer as Sec of State than Condi the shoe tree.
those wondering about chris and agave, press conference from Houston on CNN now and Rep Sheila Jackson Lee and Mayor White confirming widespread power outages. Some part of the city grid may have power, others don't.
So, they may be simply unable to get online.
You know what the real difference between Iraq and Vietnam is?
Bush had a plan for getting out of Vietnam.
As for a unified message, ALL this crap is interrelated.
Republican incompetence and corruption. That should be our narrative. Simple and accurate.
cea- have you even been to a protest? seriously, relax. it's not a strategy planning session, it's a protest. believe me, even during the "more effective" period of protesting in the 60s (my parents are vets of the antiwar movement) protests were always half party, half street festive, with politics, pot, and posters thrown in the mix.
contrast this with a highly "on message" rally at say, nuremburg. need i say more?
Shit, it's only 10.30 and already traffic in downtown LA is a mess. So much for paltry attendance.
Gee, Bad Art, you have convinced me. Everything I now post on an Open Thread will be remarkably substantive. Sorry you were inconvenienced.
I usually piss and moan about spamming the comments with news articles and other blocks of text, but since I'm never sure if non-subscribers will be able to view Salon.com links, I'm making an exception.
Here's the end of a wire service report, which seems to have been filed very early in the proceedings; the tiresome obligatory "balance" approach rules:
Cindy Sheehan, the California mother who drew thousands of demonstrators to her 26-day vigil outside President Bush's Texas ranch last month, joined the protest. Sheehan's 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed in an ambush in Sadr City, Iraq, last year.
Supporters of President Bush's policy in Iraq assembled in smaller numbers to get their voice heard in the day's anti-war din.
Gary Qualls, 48, of Temple, Texas, whose Marine reservist son, Louis, died last year in the insurgent stronghold of Fallujah, spoke in support of continued U.S. involvement.
"If you bring them home now, who's going to be responsible for all the atrocities that are fixing to happen over there?" he asked. "Cindy Sheehan?
The protest route runs to the front of the White House, down to the Justice Department and then back to the Washington Monument, site of an 11-hour concert and rally featuring folk singer Joan Baez and stretching well into the night.
Sheehan and other mothers against the war held a small rally near the Washington Monument on Friday. They spoke just a few feet from 1,000 white wooden crosses tucked into the grass to symbolize the more than 1,900 members of the U.S. armed forces who have died since the beginning of the war in March 2003.
At a rally at the U.S. Navy Memorial put on by Protest Warrior and other groups supporting Bush's policy, demonstrators denounced Sheehan as a mother exploiting her son's death.
"If I were to die in Iraq, I wouldn't want my parents to be like Cindy Sheehan," said Army National Guard Spc. Julie McManus, 20, of Drexel Hill, Pa., who was among more than 100 people holding signs. "I'd be ashamed of them."
McManus said she drove to Washington with her boyfriend; she wore a white tank top with the words "American Solider" in black marker.
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By JENNIFER C. KERR Associated Press Writer
Associated Press writer Elizabeth White contributed to this report.
After "perscription benefit" AARP can bite me.
Just remember: Chimpy is a uniter, not a divider.
CEA
He's a unitard.
re condi running--i dont think there is one black republican in Congress. So which state primary is she going to win? I mean, they like having a little cover, with Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, or Condi or Colin Powell at the State Department, but that's just marketing. They are still the party of racism.
downtown LA ?
CEA, I suspect she's his concubine. What else does she have to offer Bushco? As much as I loathe him Collin had more to offer as Sec of State than Condi the shoe tree.
EPT
Only if JimmyJeffJeff puts on a wig and a pair of Ferragamos and says "Call me Condi."
ms. hammad is way hot.
The stuff she did for Def Poetry Jam was really excellent. I love her.
And bj-we need bread AND roses.
Man, I have to say...so far the protest coverage I've read is VERY different from that of the pre-war protests. Nothing about hippies or nudity or anarchists, and one article had a long quote from a pro-Bush but anti-war husband and wife. I don't think I've ever seen protest coverage this...um...elegaic and respectful.
I'd be more comfortable if Condi referred to Chimpy as 'my boy toy.'
Thank God and Goddess for C-Span. With Rita making landfall, the news shills don't even have to make excuses for not covering the protest.
CNN Headlines gave it a quick mention, but that's all I've seen.
EkCenTrik--ANSWER has a sister march going on today in downtown Los Angeles.
Any discussion of whether it's a good strategy to heavily link the Irai War Protest to the Palestinian cause? The march's organizers seem to think it a good idea. My impression is they are losing some of the enthusiastic applause with the pro-Palestinian speakers. (This is not a polemic, more a question of how to organize the protest.)
merci lavalamp, but Algave said he had a generator, that's why i worry!
Of course, I'm not seeing what the TV coverage - if any - is like, and that's probably all that really matters...
I'd be more comfortable if Condi referred to Chimpy as 'my boy toy.'
Sallyh
Ummm... No, please.
And to keep my comment substantive: Impeach!
spinoza:
I think it's a bad idea.
Incidentally, I wonder how many showed up for the "pro war" (how sick) circle jerk.
Or if any of our trolls are there.
By the way, am I the only one who finds Martha Stewart strangely attractive?
radsaq
Well, obviously you're not the only one - but it's still very, very twisted. 
I'm liveblogging the DC march! Check out my blog!
being a cynic for a moment (out of bitterness that i can't be there) i will conceed this major point about the left's lack of unified message.
it's never about the message, it's always about the (wo)man. King, you may recall, came out hard against the war, and a host of other issues well outside the scope of the Dream speech in the years before his murder. you look at these folks, everyone with a different message, what you're really dissatisfied with is the fact that outside a few people active in the movement, the speaker isn't known to most americans.
where is our national leader? where is the heart, or voice of the left? is it dean? is it kennedy? personally, i think we need someone new, someone from the outside, someone with connections to people, and not to the dc establishment.
cindy is on her way to becoming something like a movement leader, but still, not on the scale we need. answer isn't the place to look for one, but until we have a leader, we're stuck with this kind of protest/street theater stuff.
Spinoza--I think it would have been better to perhaps indicate that Israel is NOT our friend, and why, as opposed to including pro-Palestinian speakers.
He's a unitard.
Stinky - 1:35 pm
"unitard"-- priceless.
I think this a great rally. So much truth outloud in one place. We are stompin' and singing and clappin' and punchin' our fists in the air along with the crowd. God, I swear the energy's radiating out of our tv screen.
Plum P. - here's a link to Robert Jeffers' blog. He's in Houston.
i wish they would focus more on iraq and less on palestine.
a petrosexual unitard
My apologies, cd--I guess I'm not in a sufficiently festive mood. I do realize that these things aren't intended to be all that structured. I just hate seeing good airtime go to waste. The choir is already converted and I want to hear a message that I think might persuade someone who _hasn't_ already concluded that Bush is evil.
As for Nuremburg, about the only thing you'll ever hear me say by way of complimenting the Nazis: they make Karl Rove look like an amateur.
By the way, am I the only one who finds Martha Stewart strangely attractive?
oedipal complex
just kidding!
The march's organizers seem to think it a good idea. My impression is they are losing some of the enthusiastic applause with the pro-Palestinian speakers. (This is not a polemic, more a question of how to organize the protest.)
I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think the "all or nothing" approach works. You have to lead people to things gradually, or you lose them. But some of these groups insist that people - many of whom have probably never been to a protest - have to have their noses rubbed in everything at once.
You see the same thing with animal rights people...some guy is thinking about becoming vegetarian, and people start shrieking that he has to give up everything from sugar to film, and scare him off. Purity often trumps practicality.
one article had a long quote from a pro-Bush but anti-war husband and wife.
How the hell can you be anti-war and pro-Bush?
How can you be pro-Bush, period?
chicago dyke -- I respectfully disagree. The message is unified, Galloway said it. There can be no peace without justice. All issues are subsumed in that truth.
the Nazis: they make Karl Rove look like an amateur.
Nope, you got it backwards.
Incidentally, I wonder how many showed up for the "pro war" (how sick) circle jerk.
100 is the number I saw.
cs - Oh yeah. I'm streaming it, my fists keep going into the air, I have tears in my eyes - this is getting to me just streaming C-SPAN.
Spinoza--the Israel message has to be tied into our actions in the Middle East as well in order to be effective. It's being treated as a subject unto itself, and that's not working.
The main thing is the marching, but there's no way to capture that on TV.
I thought the march/demonstration at the Repugnican Nazional Convention made for some great TV. Miles and miles of people, as far as the eye could see. And they just kept coming.....
merci Tina! They must be all sleeping in after waiting for a storm that finally didn't do that much to Houston. Good! Releived i am!
By the way, am I the only one who finds Martha Stewart strangely attractive?
Martha's not a bad looking woman!
spinoza-As I told CEA earlier, everybody gets to say their piece. Especially if they come from a contingent that contributes a lot of bodies and organizers to the effort, which the pro-Palestinian groups do.
That's just the way these things work.
Well, I like poetry, but this woman needs to be put on a purple prose - free diet.
Okay, this poet is not doing it for me.
Wingnuts blaming the Clenis™ for the impending flooding in Arkansas in 5, 4, 3...
I'd be more comfortable if Condi referred to Chimpy as 'my boy toy.'
Sallyh
I think you've got the power dynamic reversed. I'll leave visualizing the remainder of the scene as a very disturbing exercise to the reader.
I heart George Galloway.
This poem is called "time to go stand in line for the porta-potty."
I love that we are somehow connected, virtually linking arms in this . . .
This poem is called "time to go stand in line for the porta-potty."
CEA | 09.24.05 - 1:47 pm | #
heh
Well, at least I got clued in that the coverage was on C-Span. I turned on in the middle of the Palestinian-Israeli speeches. I agree that back in the 60's the speeches at protests usually covered a wide range of topics, but the 60s were as much as a cultural revolution as an anti-war movement. Now I think it would be more beneficial to focus energy and camera time on one big problem - the clusterfuck in Iraq, and leave the other 50 million big problems the world faces for some other venue.
CEA--she made me think, yeah, maybe a burger's not a bad idea.
protests were always half party, half street festive, with politics, pot, and posters thrown in the mix.
true. Somewhere, I've got a NYTimes clipping of a gay pride march in NYC. I saved it because my friends and I were in the section of marchers captured by the photo. While the noted how angry and strident the marchers were, all the the people around me at the moment the photo was taken were pointing at and discussing the utter fabulosity of the fabric used in the amazing gown of a particularly hot Puerto Rican drag queen on the float directly in front of us.
how do i put this?
so...the rumors aren't true, condi isn't a lesbian?
Geez, Condi Rice speaks Russian less fluently than Peggy Hill speaks Spanish.
How the hell can you be anti-war and pro-Bush?
How can you be pro-Bush, period?
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat
Beats me. But that's what they said. They apparently think the war's not going anywhere, and that Bush should admit he made a mistake and move on.
Like I said above, when someone expresses uncertainty about a previously held position, you've got to count your blessings. You can't expect 'em to be demanding justice for the Palestinians a week after they've realized that Bush just maybe isn't infallible. (This isn't directed at you, BTW...just sayin'.)
I don't have streaming, gotta go back to my mom's to watch on the tube. Think solidarity, everyone . . . Wage peace. It's the only world war that can be won.
What the hell is Protest Warrior anyway?
When we held a candlelight vigil in the Twin Cities a couple of months ago, some clods held up a sign that read (and I'm not shitting you) "Kill Iraq".
Are they just a bunch of angry frat boys that feel slighted that they can't score with any girl they want?
roxtar-I didn't see that, since I was there. I wish I had, I bet we looked great!
cs - I love that we are somehow connected, virtually linking arms in this
I feel ya.
Any discussion of whether it's a good strategy to heavily link the Irai War Protest to the Palestinian cause?
spinoza- imho, not being able to even fucking talk about this I/P issue, let alone acknowledge that there are some real humaniitarian issues over there, is america's #1 problem. not that it has an impact on americans directly, but that it's indicative of the real problem: racism against brown/muslim people enables our endless series of wars and distorts our understanding of "whose oil is it anyway."
i get waht you're saying, but at this point, if you can't understand that the pal. pple at least have a reason to be angry, i don't know how you can have any claim to begin to understand the situation in the ME and petropolitics in general. /not talking about you darlin, just folks who are uncomfortable at the mention of the palestinians/
where are you seeing the pro war rally?
What the hell is Protest Warrior anyway?
When we held a candlelight vigil in the Twin Cities a couple of months ago, some clods held up a sign that read (and I'm not shitting you) "Kill Iraq".
Are they just a bunch of angry frat boys that feel slighted that they can't score with any girl they want?
Zap Rowsdower
We have a winner!
I agree that back in the 60's the speeches at protests usually covered a wide range of topics,
Yeah, but they might've been even more effective if they hadn't.
CEA, I suspect she's his concubine. What else does she have to offer Bushco? As much as I loathe him Collin had more to offer as Sec of State than Condi the shoe tree.
EPT
I can believe that she dreams hot, sweaty, wet dreams about him. I'll never believe the feeling reciprocated. W is absolutely sexless, probably as a result of his many years of drug and alcohol abuse. I just don't get any sexual vibes from him at all. Positive or negative. None. Zero. Zilch. My gaydor isn't even set off by him. And usually powerful men set me off. I even found Gore sexy when I shook his hand!
Spinoza--the Israel message has to be tied into our actions in the Middle East as well in order to be effective. It's being treated as a subject unto itself, and that's not working.
Sallyh |
I agree. Never mind the cries of anti-semitism. They are a red herring, anyway, to shut down discussion. It's bullshit.
I think the poet and the last speaker made everyone consider pizza slices.
re condi running
I've said it SO many times: no matter what party she belongs to, no matter how much education KindaSleazy has, down in Cracker Nation she will still be "that nigrah wench."
They won't vote for her.
i think a protest warrior is a slightly more dangerous upgrade of a keyboard warrior, as long as they have you outnumbered. after all, they actually go outside. however, i doubt you would ever find one in iraq or afghanistan.
re complaints about the protest gumbo.
beggars can't be choosers.
now if we had an opposition party...
jello | Homepage | 09.24.05 - 1:10 pm
my wife and i are gnawing our fingernails over whether to head over to the A.N.S.W.E.R.-sponsored protest at Westlake Plaza at noon, or not.
press releases with lots of exclamation points and comments with "down with imperialism!" make me feel like i'm in the wrong century...
the cindy supporters at the federal building the past couple of weeks were way cooler. very on-message, focused and outgoing.
hell, we'll probably stop by anyway, commies or no. maybe we'll get to see the anarchist marching band.
i wonder how laura really feels about curious george.
" I'd be more comfortable if Condi referred to Chimpy as 'my boy toy.'"
I'm not even comfortable with you mentioning it. I may have to pour bleach into my brain to clean the image away.
I just don't get any sexual vibes from him at all.
Bush makes me sick.
Stupidity turns me off.
On the other hand, I find both Clinton AND Gore sexy.
My daughter just said she wonders if Dean does that scream in the bedroom.
Judy will probably never tell, though.
Shchi y kasha, pischa nasha! I can't transliterate.
OK, I did it again, posted at the end of a dead thread: here's what I said:
good morning again folks.
I'm sitting in a 'store front' legal office on 6th & Broadway here in LA, courtesy of a law school chum who called me out of the blue this morning.
She lives out this way and picked me up and then she parked in her only space behind this ancient building.
While I don't think we'll have the same size crowd as DC, things are really getting busy down here. There are cops everywhere and Sophy has a bunch of carnations she intends to pass out to them on our walk over to the rally site.
Egad, I feel like I'm 25 again!
I'll look for you Sallyh.
"they actually go outside"
Tons of sunblock and clutching an emergency number in the event it all becomes too overwhelming.
ql, I know one girl who's massively turned on by him. Course, she also thinks Ari Fleischer is a hottie, so there you go.
Got C-span going now ... that's a hell of a crowd.
A.
Tell it, Mahdi Bray.
so...the rumors aren't true, condi isn't a lesbian?
jello | Homepage | 09.24.05 - 1:49 pm | #
well, perhaps not. but fwiw, my boys and i often referred to ourselves as a family, and one of them in particular used to take perverse pleasure in dancing with me at gay clubs in a sexually suggestive fashion. shocking the gay community with our perversion, he called it. he was my "fabulous husband" when were playing it up like that.
I can believe that she dreams hot, sweaty, wet dreams about him.
I'll say it a third time: the only way Condi is Commander CooCoo's bitch is if JimmyJeffJeff puts on a wig and a pair of Ferragamos and says: "Call me Condi."
Okay, a couple of positivist barnburners!
That's what I like to hear!
r@d@r--I'm having the same debate about the LA one. I'm nervous in crowds, and the traffic indicates that there's a serious one forming. It's sponsored by ANSWER.
Now, I'm too young to know if there were groups like Protest Warrior around during Vietnam. Were there?
Or was it just the VFW and the Legion?
i wonder how laura really feels about curious george.
pretzelattack
She lies there, closes her eyes and thinks of the family bank account.
I just don't get any sexual vibes from him at all.
I don't even get the vibes of a living human being from him. What I do get is a feeling something like the one I had in the museum while looking at the mummies.
They are a red herring, anyway, to shut down discussion. It's bullshit.
But it's effective bullshit, unfortunately.
ql, I know one girl who's massively turned on by him. Course, she also thinks Ari Fleischer is a hottie, so there you go.
Would this be the nanny-blogger who had naughty thoughts about Tucker Carlson? Or is there a new fetish going around?
Now, I'm too young to know if there were groups like Protest Warrior around during Vietnam. Were there?
Does the FBI count?
cd-I certainly agreee that the silence in this country concerning the injustices in that part of the Middle East is horrible. My point, I guess, was more that some people who feel very strongly that we should get out of Iraq may feel marginalized by speakers on others issues. Does that make the possibility of getting us out of Iraq more or less? Perhaps it is more important to some that Americans are better understanding of other struggles than we get out of Iraq. Perhaps some believe we should be left in Iraq to be destroyed by our policies that reflect our contempt for oppressed people elsewhere in the middle east. I was just taken with the reduction in the crowds enthusiasm as the pro-palestinian speakers began. Nothing new about this. I remember the same problems coming up with anti-Vietnam protests in the 60s and 70s.
Uncle Blodge--compared to Condi referring to the Chimp as 'my husband,' it's a lot less creepy.
Now, I'm too young to know if there were groups like Protest Warrior around during Vietnam. Were there?
Or was it just the VFW and the Legion?
Zap Rowsdower
Construction workers.
It's not just the Israel/Palestine stuff, they also talked about Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, and every other place they could think of. I would prefer to see more focus. Also, they lost the crowd about an hour ago.
Now, I'm too young to know if there were groups like Protest Warrior around during Vietnam. Were there?
there were groups of construction workers and klansman that would try to beat the shit out of people.
How the hell can you be anti-war and pro-Bush?
What other President in our history can you truly picture performimg that astoundingly unhinged "Mission Accomplished" stunt on the USS Lincoln, while Iraq was rapidly devolving into chaos?
I'll never forget that drooling show of uncut hubris from a POTUS as long as I live.
My daughter just said she wonders if Dean does that scream in the bedroom.
HAH! your daughter owes me one coffee soaked keyboard.
I know one girl who's massively turned on by him.
By Bush?
Is she fucking retarded??????????
Or blind?
Kenosha Kid--the last couple speakers before Mahdi Bray sent everyone to the roach coaches.
It was the short-haired hardhats vs. the hippie longhairs during Vietnam.
And cranky older guys, John Bircher types.
I'll never forget that drooling show of uncut hubris from a POTUS as long as I live.
"Lookie, I get to dress up like a heee-ro! Screw you, poppy fuckface!"
I know one girl who's massively turned on by him.
By Bush?
Wow.
That is fucking creepy.
maybe we'll get to see the anarchist marching band.
r@d@r
when i went to my first anti-war rally, the drums blew me away. loved it. every political rally should start with drums.
and where else do you get to see supersized puppets?
"What other President in our history can you truly picture performimg that astoundingly unhinged "Mission Accomplished" stunt on the USS Lincoln, while Iraq was rapidly devolving into chaos?"
The Bush flightsuited action figure was the best though. Satire never recovered from that.
bj--the moment that chilled me most was when Bush was about to announce sending troops into Iraq and pumped his fist, saying, "Feels good!"
Here is a blog from one of these Protest Warrior guys, showing what they are up to today. Bonus points: if you scroll down, you can see that this guy is a Jeff Gannon lookalike!
Construction workers.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat - 1:58 pm
aka "HARDHATS"
Phila, I think we agree that a lack of focus of power weakens the effect of power. I was just that saying this scattershot protest is o.k. because the 60's protests were that way is not good enough.
BTW, I just got the Oct. Harpers. Lou Lapham's column about the state of modern fascist America is probably the snarkiest thing I have ever read by him.
there were groups of construction workers and klansman that would try to beat the shit out of people.
And John O'Neill, that disgusting motherfucker.
Meaning no disrespect by comparison with those who make the valid lifestyle choice to fuck their mothers. O'Neill is the kind of person that makes me wish I believed in hell.
And put me in the "STFU about Palestine and Cuba and imperialism" crowd. FOCUS. FOCUS. FOCUS.
A.
Kenosha Kid--the last couple speakers before Mahdi Bray sent everyone to the roach coaches.
No doubt. C-SPAN hasn't showed the crowd in a while.
It's not just the Israel/Palestine stuff, they also talked about Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, and every other place they could think of. I would prefer to see more focus. Also, they lost the crowd about an hour ago.
The Kenosha Kid
I've seen this at every protest I've been to. I'm telling you, it's exactly like the animal rights activist situation...it's all about making perfection the enemy of improvement, and there's a certain amount of pure vanity and hostility and ceremonious self-differentiation involved.
The intelligent commie theorists at least understood that you have to be able to win over the police, the soldiers, and the bourgeosie. You can't just hit 'em with everything but the kitchen sink and expect them to say, "Wow, everything I ever believed is wrong...I'm gonna turn my life over to you guys now!"
Now, I'm too young to know if there were groups like Protest Warrior around during Vietnam. Were there?
Or was it just the VFW and the Legion?
Zap R- Lots of Hoover and local police undercover. It would be curious to know how infiltrated these groups are now.
It doesn't take much for Condi to earn cheers from the wingnut crowd. Learning a few words in a foreign language makes her an "expert." Playing the C major scale makes her a "concert pianist."
Put a blue dress on her and who knows what might happen.
Construction workers.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
Damn...We need another Phil Ochs.
Echidne: did you mean,
Щи да каша -- пища наша.
?
Actually, I think both Bush's father and grandfather were much more physically attractive when they were younger.
Not that I would touch either of them!
I can't imagine Prescott or Poppy looking bored at meetings like this asswipe does.
Alright, I'll grant you that it's okay to talk about Palestine, but it really does seem to be overshadowing the Iraq war. And why the hell is Ralph Nader speaking.
Fucking Ralph fucking Nader.
Put a blue dress on her and who knows what might happen.
Lime Rickey
LOL.
Put a blue dress on her and who knows what might happen.
Lime Rickey
A lot of guys throwing up?
again, i think it's worth noting that this is the launching pad rally- every group that came gets their 5 minutes. shit, that's pretty much what happens at presidental conventions, right?
the march isn't supposed to be anything other than a demonstration of the size of the group of people who oppose the war. construction workers, naderites, puppeteers- it doesn't matter who you are or what you care most about, you're there to be seen.
cspan plays along with the "oh we can't do that b/c people won't like us" line of the dlc by showing this rally, but not the march itself. trust me, when you're in a march, or see one going down the street in large numbers, you get a totally different feeling about the diversity of the people marching.
Phila, I think we agree that a lack of focus of power weakens the effect of power. I was just that saying this scattershot protest is o.k. because the 60's protests were that way is not good enough.
Yeah, I agree.
ahhh, journalist saving puppies on CNN...what anti war demo???
And now...the man who BROUGHT you the George W. Bush Presidency...let's have a big round of applause for...
Ralph Nader!
Karin,
It was also Juicers vs. Heads. 
Jello,
The drummers do focus and increase energy. Also well organized chanting while you march.
Hi all. Just got back from the anti-war march, Halifax division. For some reason today's march in perfect weather was much less-attended (about 200 people) than the last one, in driving snow (400 people). But spirits were high, and we made our presence known.
A few speakers -- the one I noted was from Oxfam -- making lots of connections to Afghanistan and Haiti, both of which Canada is involved in. Then marched down to City Hall, about a half-hour walk, tying up intersections for a few light cycles-- enough to make our point but not really disruptive.
I don't know. I always go to these things, thinking I'm adding my presence as a number, if nothing else. Any word yet from the Eschatonians in D.C.?
To paraphrase a blog post I made about 3 years ago:
Screw Mumia! We're ALL political prisoners now.
"Go fuck yourself, Mr. Nader."
I guess the SCLM will ignor the war protesters today like they did before the war began.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Wish I could be there to hear it sung again today. I'll sing along from here.
It's not just the Israel/Palestine stuff, they also talked about Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, and every other place they could think of. I would prefer to see more focus. Also, they lost the crowd about an hour ago.
The Kenosha Kid
hello, what does this have to do with iraq?
sallyh --
For me it was that moment in F911, that smug know-nothing-&-proud-of-it arrogance of, "Now watch this drive!"
Matched only by Bush's "comedy" search of his office for WMD.
That moment alone should have brought out the villagers with pitchforks and torches.
It just seems so obvious to me that his whole reason for living is to say "screw you" to the world every and any way he can.
"The intelligent commie theorists at least understood that you have to be able to win over the police, the soldiers, and the bourgeosie. You can't just hit 'em with everything but the kitchen sink and expect them to say, "Wow, everything I ever believed is wrong...I'm gonna turn my life over to you guys now!""
Phila,
Bravo!!
Or was it just the VFW and the Legion
Wonder where they are? Weren't they supposed to be kicking our asses every time we stand up and say anything against the war or Commander CCB?
And John O'Neill, that disgusting motherfucker.
Meaning no disrespect by comparison with those who make the valid lifestyle choice to fuck their mothers. O'Neill is the kind of person that makes me wish I believed in hell.
There is someone I could wish cancer on and have no regrets about it.
His whole thing with Kerry is too creepy - he behaves like a spurned loved.
Thirty plus years spent with vendetta against John Kerry.
GET A FUCKING LIFE, O'NEILL!
Construction workers.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat - 1:58 pm
aka "HARDHATS"
Little Brøther
If they were beating up antiwar protesters, I'd consider them "HARDONS"
I just saw the pics from the "pro-war rally".
Did Castro open up the mental institutions again and put them on boats again?
"We are within 100 votes in the House..." Is this guy high?
And now...the man who BROUGHT you the George W. Bush Presidency...let's have a big round of applause for...
Ralph Nader!
CEA
Yawn.
Phila: Which intelligent commies are you thinking of?
I'm not sure Ralph Nader was a win.
r@d@r--I'm having the same debate about the LA one. I'm nervous in crowds, and the traffic indicates that there's a serious one forming. It's sponsored by ANSWER.
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 09.24.05 - 1:56 pm
it's not the crowds that make me nervous, so much as the white college kids in kaffiyehs, the fliers using rhetorical terms like "bourgeoisie", and the lack of fun.
protests used to be fun. it was as public enemy termed it a "party for your right to fight". now they're kind of like chamber music as opposed to folk music. it's hard to dance if the rhythm section's off. which, again, is why i hope i get to see the anarchist marching band.
Wonder where they are? Weren't they supposed to be kicking our asses every time we stand up and say anything against the war or Commander CCB?
They are coming for you. Right after they finish their blue plate special over at Morrison's.
vaara:
Echidne: did you mean,
Щи да каша -- пища наша.
Yes, that's it!
I just saw the pics from the "pro-war rally".
Did Castro open up the mental institutions again and put them on boats again?
Zap Rowsdower | Email | Homepage | 09.24.05 - 2:07
see theres the silver lining.
Condi wants my red shoesies!
http://planetsean.blogspot.com/u...oes1-
744778.jpg
Construction workers.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat | Email | 09.24.05 - 1:58 pm
in other words - COINTELPRO in costume.
Tena, more of them are dead now. By and large the VFW and the Legion were WWII vets, and they're kicking it by the thousands every week. there were thousands of them still alive during Vietnam, but not so much now.
Shut up, Ralph. Go somewhere and do what you used to be good at. It's not this.
A.
It's not just the Israel/Palestine stuff, they also talked about Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, and every other place they could think of.
Don't forget Benton Harbor.
Not wanting to denigrate one's personal choice of literary expression, but I think the poets lost the crowd.
YOU GO JESSICA LANGE!
and where else do you get to see supersized puppets?
jello | Homepage | 09.24.05 - 2:01 pm
a lot of people complain about the puppets. i for one like puppets.
All right, Jessica Lange!
Bush isn't here again ... God forbid he be anywhere where he could actually understand how the American people feel.
She's got 'em whipped up again. Good girl.
A.
Or was it just the VFW and the Legion
Wonder where they are? Weren't they supposed to be kicking our asses every time we stand up and say anything against the war or Commander CCB?
Tena
What with?
Their canes and walkers?
Were they going to gas with their beer breath or the odor of stale cigarettes?
I laughed the first time I read of their "threats."
Shut up, Ralph. Go somewhere and do what you used to be good at. It's not this.
A.
Athenae
Aren't there any fucking exploding cars that need investigation about now??
She's hitting them on the lies, lies, lies.
Run for office, Jessica!
A.
JESSICA LANGE FOR PRESI-FUCKIN'-DENT!
a lot of people complain about the puppets. i for one like puppets.
They are marginally less creepy than clowns.
Jessica Lange rallies the crowd. You go!
Jessica Lange. The TiVo finally caught up.
CD is saying again what I said earlier. It's like a Vermont town meeting. Simply showing up gives you the right to get the microphone for 2 minutes, doesn't matter how tedious or off topic others may think you are.
If any of you complainers think you could do a better job organizing a mass protest, and get this many widely divergent groups to show up, I invite you to take charge next time.
OK, Tena, you can come back now-- Nader's gone.
Hey, shouldn't there be an obnoxious Nader-troll popping up around here any minute now?
-
She's got 'em whipped up again. Good girl.
A.
Athenae
Ok. I admit it. I read that the first time through and thought it was "She's got 'em whipped out again."
Must have Kong on the brain.
in other words - COINTELPRO in costume
naw, there were lots of real hardhats and rednecks that lived for the chance to kick a hippies ass. and old ww2 and korean vets. the cointelpro guys were the ones trying to dress like hippies (remember that old fbi agent in the doonesbury cartoons--"Peace, man. Groovy")
I can't imagine Prescott or Poppy looking bored at meetings like this asswipe does.
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat | Email | 09.24.05 - 2:03 pm | #
Well, you see he does have a problem...the barometric pressure between his ears is always below 900mb.
Any alteration of his facial features will cause immediate implosion.
"did not serve!"love you jess!
... DID NOT SERVE. DID NOT SERVE. DID NOT SERVE.
Beautiful!
Ooooh, she's on the chickenhawks now.
DOUGLAS FEITH! Yeah! Get 'em!
Geroge W. did not really serve!
THE CHAIR!
A.
Omnes--the puppets always kind of freaked me out, too. And yes, I'm terrified of clowns.
I just saw the pics from the "pro-war rally".
Did Castro open up the mental institutions again and put them on boats again?
Zap Rowsdower
see theres the silver lining.
pretzelattack
Sounds like the crew who is defending the Archdiocese and their coverup here in Philly.
The biggest weirdos.
Karl Rove did not serve!
Paul Wolfowitz did not serve!
Richard Perle
Douglas Feith
Eliot Abrams
Newt Gingrich did not serve!
Jeb Bush did not serve!
And we know George W. did not really serve.
They are marginally less creepy than clowns.
Omnes Omnibus
It's those fuggin' ventriloquist dummies that give me the heebie-jeebies...
-
You can't just hit 'em with everything but the kitchen sink and expect them to say, "Wow, everything I ever believed is wrong...I'm gonna turn my life over to you guys now!"
Phila | Homepage | 09.24.05 - 2:02 pm
although hitting some bourgeois m**f**er with a kitchen sink does sound kind of fun, in a WWF kind of way.
seriously, the bourgeoisie have been disenfranchised by the Oil Barons as much as anyone else - in fact, i'll bet you a fair portion of the folks showing up at all these marches is well within the statistical margins of that descriptive term.
Well, you see he does have a problem...the barometric pressure between his ears is always below 900mb.
No wonder I hate him. I abhor a vacuum!!
DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE
THIS MAN HAS NO HEART
God just to hear it out loud over the public airways....
DID NOT SERVE. DID NOT SERVE. DID NOT SERVE.
YOWSAH!
It's those fuggin' ventriloquist dummies that give me the heebie-jeebies...
So you're not into Jenna and Not-Jenna?
"What we owe the dead is an end to the killing"
Nice Big Crowd.
Good!
Not one military funeral has been attended by George Bush.
Disregard for human life. This man has no heart.
God, I love this woman. Marry me, Jessica.
She's not all blowdried and Glamour Shots, either. She looks like she rode a bus all night.
"What we owe the dead is an end to the killing."
A.
"Not one military funeral has been attended by George Bush or his cabinet"
Is that really true? Holy shit.
Karl Rove did not serve!
Paul Wolfowitz did not serve!
Richard Perle
Douglas Feith
Eliot Abrams
Newt Gingrich did not serve!
Jeb Bush did not serve!
And we know George W. did not really serve.
Don't forget Cheney.
Athenae - Yeah, I know, but a couple of weeks ago the guy who is head of the VFW gave that speech in which he said that the VFW was going to kick our asses.
I sent an email and pretty laughed in his face.
Karl Rove did not serve!
Paul Wolfowitz did not serve!
Richard Perle
Douglas Feith
Eliot Abrams
Newt Gingrich did not serve!
Jeb Bush did not serve!
And we know George W. did not really serve.
CEA
This administration has just been served!
CEA--completely true.
Yo, doofus college emcee. Stop walking around behind the speaker and chatting.
"these monstrous men"
"defeated and diminished men"
"do not represent the will of the people"
"they are wrong and we are right"
Say it, preach it, sing it!
250,000
See, this is how Hillary is in an alternate universe.
Unfortunately, in the alternate universe she also has a goatee.
I love Jessica too.
"We will not give up."
20 blocks long! More than a quarter mil!
250,000 people in the streets.
(Cops will claim 50,000 -- so 150,000?)
250,000? When are they going to show an overhead shot?
250,000 marchers. Whoo hooo!
That guy was talking out his ass, girlfriend. You cook and serve bigger meals than him before breakfast.
"We will embrace and practice true compassion and we will not give up."
Has she always been like this? I never knew she could kick this much ass.
Mahdi Bray: 250,000 people.
A.
OK, now let's hear Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern.
Take that, Ralph.
Little Brother - Oh fuck Ralph - I turned the sound off and ignored the motherfucker.
I cannot stand the lying egomaniac. He is so not a man of conviction.
20 blocks long! More than 250,000 in the streets!
I have goosebumps - I wish I could be there.
The Marching has begun?
A Filipina is speaking.
Michelle Malkin's head is exploding.
They Might Be Giants did an impromptu song about puppets once... Strangly a propos to the giant puppets.
See, this is how Hillary is in an alternate universe.
Word!
The Anti-Maglalang is speaking now.
I dont get CSPAN, but have been watching CNN for a couple of hours: NOTHING on the rally, not one minute!
And now for something completely different...the Philippines.
Damn, Terry C beat me to the punch.
Omnes--the puppets always kind of freaked me out, too. And yes, I'm terrified of clowns.
Sallyh
Same here. Oddly, though, my wife has a number of paintings of clowns done by a friend of her grandfather, and they are in our living room. And they are very cool and not at all creepy, which proves that the guy was a true artist.
i always thought jessica lange was hot; but i had no idea she had this much heart.
a poem for Bushco
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
And fix the sign on the goddamn podium.
john wayne gacy played a clown at parties.
Uhhh.. yeah.
CEA-Remind me not to invite you to any parties at my house. You would be checking for dust on the sills.
Damn, I wish Eminem would show up and do his pre-election song. I love that piece and he would have everyone up and screaming.
T S Eliot rocks.
cea were you the guy that thought martha stewart was a babe?
Michelle Malkin's head is exploding.
If she's watching, which I somehow doubt, she's fantasizing this speaker in the cooler of an internment camp.
a poem for Bushco
A poem for all the Bush kids:
They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.
We now know for a fact that Bill Frist is a...
cat killer
documented liar
What's next?
Mother fucker?
Hey, somebody tell that speaker to cut his hair. He looks like a girl!
CEA, 1969.
Bring Jessica back up there.
Has Martin Sheen been by yet? I need to see a real president.
A.
Is it raining down there?
cea were you the guy that thought martha stewart was a babe?
Not particularly.
Hi all.
Now we have the Phillipines protesting.
I agree that the focus needs to be Iraq and the lying Little Boots.
They are all over the place with this thing...
Has she always been like this? I never knew she could kick this much ass.
Yes, she has. Also, Rosie Perez is another actress who kicks ass at the antiwar rallies.
( I think it was radsaq who said Martha Stewart was hot )
"Gravatar Hey, somebody tell that speaker to cut his hair. He looks like a girl!
CEA, 1969."
--spinoza
Needed that laugh. Thanks,
with 60% against the war, is there some reason the dem honchos are avoiding this like the plague?
Wha...? Oppa-boppa-makka-hatta?
Spinoza--you can come to my house anytime. There's not much dust on the sills, but we do have huge clusters of papers, journals and books lying everywhere. No matter how clean the place is, it always looks like a mess.
( I think it was radsaq who said Martha Stewart was hot )
yeah it was a joke. never mind.
It looks like it's pouring.
Okay, time to go check the laundry.
A.
Billy B
do we have consensus...is he Little Boots or Nero? Have we taken a vote yet?
The other day I decided that hadenough was Bob Somerby.
Now I'm wondering the same thing about CEA.
I don't mean that in a bad way, necessarily. There's just a certain tone.
Sallyh-Thanks! And I would even pick up the dead cats and empty scotch bottles if you visited.
Also, I am not sure that kareoke at a protest rally is a good idea,, esp Pink Floyd kareoke.
Now it's like a high school election.
One problem with the Rally on CSPAN right now is its length. And a second problem is that the women, especially, are not savvy communicators for the mass media.
I support the diversity of issues being represented.
Iraq is directly related to Haiti, which is directly related to Venezuela, which is directly related to China.
It's okay to show the many interrelated ways the issues of globalization, militarization and racism rear their ugly heads.
However, media training is requisite. Choirs practice and thus increase their skills.
Women, especially, need to be coached on how to use a microphone without creating pain in the listener. If we want a progressive message to be heard and understood, we have to be better users of technology.
And be more savvy in our crafting of the links among the represented issues.
Goodness, all we have to do better than is this quote from George W. Bush: We want to hear your vision, so that we can more better do our job."
The bar is not set that high.
Unfortunately.
Spinoza--feel free to leave the full Scotch bottles lying around.
Hey, somebody tell that speaker to cut his hair. He looks like a girl!
CEA, 1969.
I guess I had that coming.
Wait a minute, I have some problems with this lawyer Stewart--unless the government made up charges against her out of whole cloth.
Gong!
Hey Kenosha, she heard you!
Iraq is directly related to Haiti, which is directly related to Venezuela, which is directly related to China.
And Kevin Bacon was in China once!
Heehee!
6 degrees of kevin bacon
Spinoza-
Iraq is directly related to Haiti, which is directly related to Venezuela, which is directly related to China.
And Kevin Bacon was in China once!
rorschach
And the hip-bone is connected to the thigh-bone!
CEA-Sorry for the snark. It's Lorenz's flush model of motivation. When no trolls are around, I just have to take it out on someone to get some drive reduction.
do we have consensus...is he Little Boots or Nero? Have we taken a vote yet?
SHG | 09.24.05 - 2:27 pm | #
i vote nero. little boots was crazy, but nero was a playboy, a callous self concerned fool who died a very ignoble death. caligula killed a lot of the upper classes, which boosh most certainly isn't doing. in contrast, nero had intellectuals and peacemakers put to death in moments of paranoia. that sounds closer to boosh to me.
do we have consensus...is he Little Boots or Nero? Have we taken a vote yet?
SHG
Either works for me. I just love the Little Boots sobriquet because you know that the little bastard would be foaming at the mouth because anyone referred to his ass as little.
The yellow-bellied jerk has the mother of all inferiority complexes.
with 60% against the war, is there some reason the dem honchos are avoiding this like the plague?
gary in fl
I'm surprised YOU'RE not there with those patriotic pro-war folks.
What is it, 100?
Rorschach,
Well, Marx for starters. IIRC, he talked about the importance of the bourgeosie learning enough to act against class interests.
Gotta run along...but I just wanted to say, I'm not trying to knock this protest. I think it's great. But there are problems in how the Left presents itself, as always, and these problems are one of the things that got us where we are today. My problem with groups like ANSWER is that they have this didactic aim of "educating" people, whereas the most effective rally would be one explicitly set up to let the crowd have more unity and agency, rather than treating them as potential "consumers" of various ideologies.
Of course, we're not regimented and in lockstep like the Right, so we find it hard to stay on message. And that's a strength, in many ways. But it also means that we have a tendency to drive away more tentative allies, which is a shame.
Still, I support it, and I'm headed out to my local one now. I've always found it heartening and exciting to be part of these demonstrations, and I'm sure today's will be no exception.
My pity expands.
Gotta go do a couple of things - back in a bit, Batties.
Aw, does that mean Chimpy is off the list? That's my favorite.
nero was a playboy, a callous self concerned fool who died a very ignoble death.
Nero's mother (Caligula's sister), Agrippina, would have made a far better emperor than Nero or Caligula.
But, Rome being the sexist cesspool....
"WASHINGTON - Embattled Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Lester Crawford abruptly resigned Friday, telling his staff that at age 67 it was time to step aside.
President Bush designated the National Cancer Institute’s director, Dr. Andrew von Eschenbach, to be the FDA’s new acting commissioner.
Crawford’s resignation came just two months after the Senate, in a long-delayed move, elevated the longtime agency deputy and acting commissioner to the top job."
MSNBC
Keep those Friday resignations coming!
Spinoza--my model of motivation depends upon who I'm motivating. With my undergrad assistants, I find threatening them within an inch of their lives very effective.
Wow. I'm watching the anti-war rally in DC on CSPAN right now and there must be whole halves of hundreds there on the Ellipse!
I can feel the tide turning.
Oh, wait. Sorry. That was my breakfast. I need to go lie down.
Morning, batses.
More compassionate conservatism in action.
Senate 'Thugs have delayed passage of the bill that would provide Medicaid coverage to Katrina evacuees.
Too expensive. And we wouldn't want to set any dangerous precedents -- like providing healthcare for too many brown people.
Some of my favorites:
Commander-In-Chimp.
Chimpy McCokespoon.
Chimperor.
Chimpoleon.
and my all-time fave:
C+ Augustus.
Phila--
I am right with you on that.
is he Little Boots or Nero? Have we taken a vote yet?
One thing I know is that he is not the emperor of ice cream.
At least the protests made CNN.com (first non-Rita article).
No head counts other than "More than 2,000 people gathered on the Ellipse hours before the showcase demonstration past the White House..."
Has anyone see any MSM coverage with numbers yet? Or any MSM coverage at all?
"We see when he embraces the Saudi Monarch!!"
ANDY THAYER!
Yeah, the Chicago contingent is represented!
Now he's tying it all together: Bush I sucked, Reagan sucked, Bush II sucks, they all hate democracy.
No More wasted lives!
A.
elkal--here I thought it was C- Augustus.
the canned heat commando of crawford.its got that alky thing going for it.
Iraq is directly related to Haiti, which is directly related to Venezuela, which is directly related to China.
Kidding aside, U.S. foreign policy pretty much is all of a piece.
Now, do any of the snarkers here want to complain about the gay rights speaker being off topic?
What a seriously depressing sight. The crowd looks detatched, unmotivated and, worse, uninterested.
Geez, these things used to be fun.
Spinoza--you can come to my house anytime. There's not much dust on the sills, but we do have huge clusters of papers, journals and books lying everywhere. No matter how clean the place is, it always looks like a mess.
Sallyh
Unlike my house, that is fairly neat, but dust bunnies galore!
Damn, I wish Eminem would show up and do his pre-election song. I love that piece and he would have everyone up and screaming.
Tena
Marshall is still in rehab, unfortunately.
I'll agree that he would get things going!
CD, this does put Bab's in the role of Agrippina...which is entirely fitting.
I was leaning in the direction of Nero myself.
with 60% against the war, is there some reason the dem honchos are avoiding this like the plague?
gary in fl
How come you never get tired of aaking this question, no matter how often peple answer it?
Apart from the fact that a large number of Dems are either cowardly or complicit - as you know perfectly well - I'm not sure their support for it would help it so much as detract from its effectiveness.
What a seriously depressing sight. The crowd looks detatched, unmotivated and, worse, uninterested.
Geez, these things used to be fun.
Looks like the concern trolls have arrived.
The cable newsers are far too busy showing video of the complete lack of damage in Galveston to cover the march.
maybe, just maybe, the idea of having everyone's interests represented is to speak to the idea that, "We all come from a different perspective, but we have one mutual goal, and that is destruction of this unlawful regime."
What a seriously depressing sight. The crowd looks detatched, unmotivated and, worse, uninterested.
sure troll.
It is amazing that there is so little "news" coming out of Washington. The Post is declaring tens of thousands, they lie repeatedly. We had a hurricane that basically turned into a big storm with the requisite damage, but not a catastrophe. So, we ignore the scene and report on basically nothing.
I agree with the person who posted that since the MSM basically ignored the war protests (and continues to do so) the war protests have become one on one and personal. Perhaps, considering the complicity of the news media in the whole affair, this was the wiser choice.
As far as democrats trying to fight the war effort: in many ways it is like the old adage, "Don't kill someone when they are committing suicide."
Still, in a better world those who disagree would be treated equally.
Gotta go do a couple of things - back in a bit, Batties.
Get a life!
"We all come from a different perspective, but we have one mutual goal, and that is destruction of this unlawful regime."
Sallyh
Kudos to Sallyh. She just convinced me!
Seriously.
What a seriously depressing sight. The crowd looks detatched, unmotivated and, worse, uninterested.
sure troll.
pretzelattack
Really - what the fuck is HE watching?
Wishful thinking.
you know that the little bastard would be foaming at the mouth because anyone referred to his ass as little.
Its not his ass that's undersized -- and that he's so sensitive about.
Now, do any of the snarkers here want to complain about the gay rights speaker being off topic?
Karin
I guess it depends on whether this is a rally against the Iraq War, specifically, or a rally against every type of injustice currently making America a quasi-fascist hellhole.
It's always good to see the big picture, but it's not always good to present the full picture, depending on who you're talkig too.
OK, I've really got to stop or I'm gonna be late. Sorry if I'm irritating anyone...not my intention, and I realize this is probably not the day for this discussion.
Peace.
Its not his ass that's undersized -- and that he's so sensitive about.
flory, Business Manager
heh... heh...heh...
"his ass" referred to the whole enchilada. His entire corporeal being.
Kind of fits, don't you think?
CEA, if that is your real name, sounds like the CNN news is from the same wire service report I found on Salon.com.
Apparently Toby considers the reported number wildly inflated.
I'm reminded of Matt Taibbi's writing (in "Spank the Donkey") about the lame and manipulative manner in which counts are published. Everyone skews the eatimate in accordance with their interests.
Well, duh, I guess. But I still wish for an accurate and reliable number. How long, O Lord, how long?
Get a life!
Anonymous
You are a cheeky monkey.
Ok, I know I'll be accused of being "snarky" and "trolling" and the usual. But look. Bush needs to go. The war needs to end. Bush is more of a problem than the war, since he is fucking up a lot more than just the war. If I'm being critical of those who are giving their time to this demonstration, it's not that I don't think racism and poverty and Cuba and Venezuela and Israel and Palestine and the Philippines and Mississippi aren't important. It's because I think the fundamental message is being diluted. But in the final analysis, I guess anything that gets people into the streets on the right side is a positive step.
So today it's BLT's & Scotch?
Dona't forget Cheney, CEA.
OK, I've really got to stop or I'm gonna be late. Sorry if I'm irritating anyone...not my intention, and I realize this is probably not the day for this discussion.
Peace.
Nope, I tend to agree. It's about marketing. Seriously. Focus on Iraq, Lies, Little Boots, and drive the message home.
One thing that has been successful, LB hauled ass today so he wouldn't have to deal with it.
Bwock Bwock Bwock.
cindy is on her way to becoming something like a movement leader, but still, not on the scale we need. answer isn't the place to look for one, but until we have a leader, we're stuck with this kind of protest/street theater stuff.
chicago dyke
I agree, we need a face and voice.
Preferably more then one, each with the ability to function as an eloquent embodiment of our multitude of voices. They need to take the embers of the messages that we here on this discussion board have been tending and sheperding these past years, and fan them into a signal flame, a beacon of dissent in the name of liberty and freedom visible to all in the nation.
[/end Tom Friedman-esque metaphorization]
According to this, up to 350 buses were delayed as well.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...5092400852.html
CEA, if that is your real name, sounds like the CNN news is from the same wire service report I found on Salon.com.
Apparently Toby considers the reported number wildly inflated.
Yeah, that's the same wire service report that as far as I can tell, came out before the speeches even started. I haven't seen ANY number reported as to the number of overall participants in DC. Have you?
"his ass" referred to the whole enchilada. His entire corporeal being.
Kind of fits, don't you think?
Billy B
True. Besides, its kinda hard to figure out what's more undersized -- his brain or his dick.
i agree cea.
howard dean, with his sleeves rolled up, would've been a nice touch.
IF a million people marched in the streets and it never appeared on the TV or radio did it really happen?
THe Cspan coverage is REALLY bad. Looks like about 200 bored people on the Elipse, but some posters here say there are 100,000+ there for the march. Are they dreaming, or are we completely blindfolded by the press?
yeah, dont have anybody like MLK or Robert Kennedy now.
"It's not just the Israel/Palestine stuff, they also talked about Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, and every other place they could think of. I would prefer to see more focus. Also, they lost the crowd about an hour ago.
The Kenosha Kid
I've seen this at every protest I've been to. I'm telling you, it's exactly like the animal rights activist situation...it's all about making perfection the enemy of improvement, and there's a certain amount of pure vanity and hostility and ceremonious self-differentiation involved."
amen...I find this stuff embrassing, frankly. These events devolve into every pet cause and every ego has gotta get their .02. No focus. Bad optics.
And nadir showed up, to boot? fuck him.
THe Cspan coverage is REALLY bad. Looks like about 200 bored people on the Elipse, but some posters here say there are 100,000+ there for the march. Are they dreaming, or are we completely blindfolded by the press?
CSpan can't just cover what it wants to cover--it's all done by bipartisan agreement and in this case the deal was obviously to show the lectern and the Ellipse. If anyone is seeing any actual reportage on the overall demonstration, please let me know.
True. Besides, its kinda hard to figure out what's more undersized -- his brain or his dick.
flory, Business Manager
Surely not his ego.
Terry C - Marshall is still in rehab, unfortunately.
I didn't know that - what is his drug of choice?
US out of Philippines! US out of Puerto Rico! This is the most important event to protest the Spanish American War ever!
Oh, I can't help it. I'm back to thinking that they really are going too far off target. I'm glad to see that all these disparate groups are opposed to the war, and that there are many, many injustices perpetrated by this regime, but really, I can just see limpdick watching this, taking notes, and piling up ammunition. One fight at a time, and right now the fight should be bringing the troops home. Not Puerto Rican socialists fighting against the imperialist United States when they took over back in the 1800s.
And need to learn how to use a mike.
MSNBC coverage, claims "tens of thousands". At least it's something in the MSM. I'll check in later once the train and bus crowd arrives.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9463993/
THe Cspan coverage is REALLY bad. Looks like about 200 bored people on the Elipse,
One of the speakers, who was one of the organizers, said about an hour ago that there were at least 250,000 lined up to march.
They aren't all at the podium listening the the speakers, apparently
I hope it's true, Tena. It sounds like more are arriving by the minute. Who knows--250,000 people marching in D.C. might even make the news.
Terry C - Marshall is still in rehab, unfortunately.
I didn't know that - what is his drug of choice?
Tena
Sleeping pills.
How come none of you are there?
One of the speakers, who was one of the organizers, said about an hour ago that there were at least 250,000 lined up to march.
Wow.
It'll be "hard work" for Bush to ignore that many people.
But he's done it before and he'll do it again...
Oh, and apparently the Ellipse rally has run over an hour longer than scheduled, which may explain why it lost its audience to the march.
Actually, Puerto Rico was annexed in 1901.
Are they dreaming, or are we completely blindfolded by the press?
Bad Art | 09.24.05 - 2:50 pm | #
dingding! we have a winner!
that's right folks, plenty of shots of the loony, antiimperialsimgetoutofcubafreemumua people, and NO shots of the march itself, which the rally speakers kept pointing to and saying "look at the 250,000 in the streets!"
nope, cspan isn't ever going to show that.
Does anyone know if there's coverage of the march itself anywhere, either on tv or blog photos, anything? Thanks.
It'll be "hard work" for Bush to ignore that many people.
Anything more than a half-dozen causes his eyes to glaze over. He learned how to count that high to make sure he didn't miss any when buying a 6-pack.
CNN keeps mentioning Cindy Sheehan's presence and that there are thousands of people there. An awfully convenient number to use, IMO - a million is only a thousand thousands. 
Ugh - food poisoning is a bad way to spend a weekend. Thank goodness for you folks and the panda webcam!
This is the most important event to protest the Spanish American War ever!
The Kenosha Kid
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
REMEMBER THE MAINE!!!!!!!
O.K., but like I said, it's a total blindfold situation. Seems like there were hundreds more American journalists in Tianaman Square 16 years ago than are botherng to point a camera right outside their windows right now.
cd, like I said, CSpan can't cover what's happening--a bipartisan editorial committee decides what it is going to show and then it has to stick with it. They can't walk over to Pennsylvania Avenue even if there are 250,000 people there, and the wingnuts wouldn't have let them add that to the schedule anyway.
We have to, God forbid, rely on the media to show us what's happening, and they seem to be more interested in what didn't happen in Galveston than what is happening in D.C.
Grumble.
It would be nice if the local PBS channel or such had some cameras out there. Anybody know? No one can get an overshot because the gov't is not going to allow anyone into the airspace.
Oh, CSPan is going to cover the pro-war rally tomorrow.
Ladies and gentlemen - dingleberries on parade.
My daughter said "Pro war? That's like saying you are pro murder!"
THe Cspan coverage is REALLY bad. Looks like about 200 bored people on the Elipse
Right now, I'm glad only CSpan is covering things. Events on the ellipse are playing into every conservative stereotype of the anti-war movement.
Which of course means its all Faux will ever show.
Oops, preznit asswipe's radio address.
Change channel!
Wha...? A troll? Now that hurts. I'm sitting here watching people on the teevee standing around, arms folded - and seeing a lot of daylight between groups of folks.
I hope and pray that that's the result of a crappy job by C-Span and not reality. But, geez, a troll?
Did anyone catch Bush's rambling mumblefest from NorthCom here in Colorado Springs yesterday? I think he took one too many Ambiens.
Is it possible that Kay Bailey Hutchison is stupider than the shrub? She certainly seems to try to be.
my kingdom for a Martin Luther King
How come none of you are there?
Anonymous
Some of us had to stay here so we could fuck with you.
And to make sure you don't loot the place during the demonstration.
By the way, wingnut rally tomorrow on C-Span at noon ET.
nope, cspan isn't ever going to show that.
chicago dyke
Because it, like the rest of the media in this country, is a GOP whore.
THe Cspan coverage is REALLY bad. Looks like about 200 bored people on the Elipse, but some posters here say there are 100,000+ there for the march. Are they dreaming, or are we completely blindfolded by the press?Bad Art | 09.24.05 - 2:50 pm |
The reason there are not so many in camera range now is because the event was supposed to be over LONG before 2:50 pm--the streets are so filled with people that it has slowed down the march and the program.
Also, STRANGELY ENOUGH, there was some VERY SPECIAL power failure along the railway between NYC and DC, JUST at the time many people were scheduled to depart from NYC.
If you all listen to KPFA via Real Player, you can get real news on both events in DC and TX all day today, rather than the creamed ordure NPR and CNN, and their media peers, provide.
The C-SPAN coverage straight through from 11:30 to 2:50 and beyond showed the event without the garbola comments of "analysts" voiced over and muting the voices of the actual speakers. It was possible to hear all the speeches, from start to finish.
Actually, Puerto Rico was annexed in 1901.
Moe Szyslak
Yeah, but according to the speaker, apparently we marched in in the 1800s. I do not vouch for the speaker however.
How come none of you are there?
Anonymous
Staying in Austin to volunteer to help the evacuees.
Why are you here?
C-SPAN might as well be running an O-Reilly-Hannity "discussion." Seriously; why is it that something does deserve massive protests the only people getting press are the cringe-inducers?
I'm out for a while. I'll check back in on the coverage or non-coverage later. Thanks for the company.
I hope and pray that that's the result of a crappy job by C-Span and not reality. But, geez, a troll?
Super Milk Chan
If you're a troll, then I'm one too.
I thought the subject matter of the speeches was a little disjointed, also.
The March - Reports from the Ground
http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.c...aily.com/?
p=671
Did anyone catch Bush's rambling mumblefest from NorthCom here in Colorado Springs yesterday? I think he took one too many Ambiens.
steve
I don't want to look at him.
I don't want to listen to him.
I just want him to die!
Here's the news coverage of events right now on "Boston.com":
NATION
Anti-war protesters march in Washington- Demonstrators rallied today in Washington D.C. to demand the return of U.S. troops. (AP, 11:25 p.m.)
>Cheney has surgery for aneurysm behind knee
>Puppy swallows 13-inch knife, survives
The March - Reports from the Ground
http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.c...y.c...aily.com/
? p=671
Pamela
Oh, yeah - the MSM isn't going to report that there are 250,000 to 300,000.
It might displease their GOP masters!
"I'm glad to see that all these disparate groups are opposed to the war, and that there are many, many injustices perpetrated by this regime, but really, I can just see limpdick watching this, taking notes, and piling up ammunition"
i don't give a shit about limpdick, cause he's gonna do what he's gonna do for his little dittomonkeys. what's important, tho, is that vast middle. and from what people are reporting there ain't much to make them feel kinship with the various wingnut groups that are representing on stage right now.
i'll never understand why otherwise intelligent people on the left don't 'get' this.
DC traffic cams-
here
Our liberal NPR: just hearing the top of the hour update. Reporter notes the protest in DC has "run into counter-protesters who support the President." No numbers, thus must be parity.
The kicker: "The protest has been peaceful for the most part; a group of College Republicans standing on a corner was not harassed or yelled at, unlike what we've seen in other protests." (Not an exact quote)
Let's have a big hand for our liberal NPR everyone!
How come none of you are there?
Anonymous
Taking care of a 13 year old with autism tomorrow morning so his parents can go to church.
There are a thousand reasons to fault the anti-war marches, many of which appear upthread, and many of which I agree with. But all of them collectively don't match the importance of being a body, a number, expressing dissent.
I've got problems with ANSWER's approach, too, but until someone else steps up to the plate, I'm joining the ANSWER march.
(Actually, the march I went to today was unaffiliated.)
I always wonder, though, if I should put on my suit and tie when I join these marches, to try to broaden the image a bit.
I didn't really have time to prepare, but I think next time I'll bring a sign that says "Just another American ashamed for his country." You know, hoping that Canadians don't hate all Americans.
i'll never understand why otherwise intelligent people on the left don't 'get' this.
jdw
Just had to throw in the little barb, eh?
There should be social stigma attached to such rudeness.
How do you 'turn off tags'?
bush's "no WMDs under the desk" soiree was well attended by the dems.
How do you 'turn off tags'? Bad Art
Use a forward slash in front of the i in your italics tag. So, LTiGT text LT/iGT (subbing for the LT anf GT of course).
Just had to throw in the little barb, eh?
There should be social stigma attached to such rudeness.
rorschach
Of course, I kind of agreed with the sentiment, tho. Everybody's got an agenda, it seems.
"i'll never understand why otherwise intelligent people on the left don't 'get' this.
jdw
Just had to throw in the little barb, eh?
There should be social stigma attached to such rudeness."
feel free to disagree or stigmatize! it's cool, imo. Someone upthread wished for an MLK, and i agree.
The optics of events like this are easy to predict and plan for. So why aren't they done better, rorschach? Do you really think they can't be done better?
FUCKKKKKK
YOUUUUU
BUSHHHHH!!!!!!!
That Traffic Cams site is providing better coverage than CNN.
Reporter notes the protest in DC has "run into counter-protesters who support the President."
What - all 100 of them?
a group of College Republicans standing on a corner
And NOT running to their nearest enlistment office.
The optics of events like this are easy to predict and plan for. So why aren't they done better, rorschach? Do you really think they can't be done better?
jdw
Of course. Just teasing.
Kid -
Where you looking? I'm at 17th st NW and Penn Ave.
The crowd just started building there.
Course, she also thinks Ari Fleischer is a hottie, so there you go.
Yeah , for all those who fantasize about nice, jewish men in Nazi uniforms?!
i don't give a shit about limpdick, cause he's gonna do what he's gonna do for his little dittomonkeys
His rapid shrinking audience.
Kenosha Kid - how does it look from the traffic cams? I couldn't get them to load - slowest damn dialup on the planet.
RAPIDLY
New thread, now with trolls!...
O.K., Thank you
JeffCo.
Course, she also thinks Ari Fleischer is a hottie, so there you go.
Yeah , for all those who fantasize about nice, jewish men in Nazi uniforms?!
plantsman
Jewish?
I thought Ari was from another planet.
There also was a large demo against the War in Iraq today in London.
Another large one is starting now in San Francisco.
Cheneyite Baghdad Bobs will try to play these things down, if they can't get away with ignoring them completely.
Critical Mass Radio is doing some call-ins from DC. Click 'Listen Now'
Billy B, wave at the camera so I can see you.
Another large one is starting now in San Francisco.
BartCop is supposed to be at that one.
Billy B, wave at the camera so I can see you.
The Kenosha Kid
heh...heh...heh...
I thought Ari was from another planet.
Oh, he is; but Planet Cakewalk is actually all Jewish!
I am of two minds on this.
I'm thinking of the interview in "Before Stonewall", or a similar gay rights documentary, in which one of the first public protestors to anti-gay discrimination pointed out that a conscious choice was made to wear dress clothes during their demonstration.
(Oh, and only the men wore suits and ties, and only the women wore dresses-- as far as the casual viewer could tell, at least.)
And to my sympathetic eye, those courageous pioneers, men, women and otherwise, indeed looked dignified and respectable.
Then I think of the "Queer Nation" phase, with hot video bites eagerly, even gleefully, broadcast on local news just to creep out not only Granny, but Daddy, Mommy, Bub, and Sis.
So I think, yeah, it's obvious that public demonstrations should be conducted to appeal to non-participants as far as possible, and let the solidarity and the "preaching to the choir" take care of itself.
But I also resent the pathological commoditization of culture, which dictates that life is an artifact of mass media rather than the other way around. And I can sincerely say that even intelligent people don't "get" that it's all "really" an infomercial.
It's like saying forget the heart, forget the moment, forget the natural energy of people uniting in a cause, i.e. solidarity, forget the soul, the kairos. It's all savvy product placement, clarity of "message"-- making the sale.
It's easy to claim that it's possible to craft a focused message and promote all of the above, but it's like the difference between being and acting.
I don't think that the "average" person is going to tune in to the coverage to help make up his/her mind anyway. Pro-war, pro-Bush types will tune in just long enough to confirm their prejudices.
They will scorn the yowling herd of cats.
making the sale.
Bush co still thinks its all making the sale, but fewer and fewer are still buying.
The soulful power of still shots in Iraq, Katrina, ,that first time you saw "Wake me up when September ends" ; all have great power that savvy product placement can neither produce nor destroy. Seeing a blind Louisiana man reunited with his guide dog after two weeks apart can DO it to you, Chimpy in a stuffed-crotch flightsuit can't.
Somehow, the mind knows GENUINE when it sees it.
Man, heavy troll shit upstairs
That little asshole Anonymous, Toby and some other fuckwads.
" DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE
THIS MAN HAS NO HEART
God just to hear it out loud over the public airways...."
What else would you expect from a mean drunk?
"i wonder how laura really feels about curious george."
She has probably been suicidal for decades. That is a trap I wouldn't want to be in and I suspect one that is heart breaking and bone crushingly horror filled. I am sure she is terrified of him and prays everyday for his demise and her freedom.
"DID NOT SERVE. DID NOT SERVE. DID NOT SERVE."
COULD NOT SERVE. WILL NOT SERVE. CANNOT SERVE.
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