I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Fristle?
secondo?
Whoo!
Fierst?
shhhh..be veddy veddy quiet and don't tell the trolls we're here...
so, what can i sigmatize today?
soup?
Fresh air, football weather.
bacteria?
bowling for douchebags?
Quick, somebody state an opinion so we can talk about it before the trolls come in an sling their shit at us like a bunch of monkeys.
what am i, fucking cursed? this threadkilling of mine has got to stop.
top thread blogwhoring. it's the protest post.
ok, my opinion is we should be more judgemental and stigmatize a lotta stuff, esp rors...
Quick, somebody state an opinion so we can talk about it.
College football overtime is ok, but still kind of silly. That's my opinion.
Yes, someone please keep the trolls downstairs. I got through the whole march without seeing any pro-war counterdemonstraters and I don't want to start now.
Anyone heard from RJM or incog?
Opinion: I find it incredibly sad that the news media chose to concentrate on a Hurricane that really wasn't and ignore a peace rally that really was?
Instead of finding better means of crowd control, why don't we concentrate on eliminating the need for people to take to the streets?
These are the threads that try men's souls.
chidyke,
I think the press takes pics of the most extreme people at the protest. There were far more "middle Americans" than anything else. Moms with babies in strollers. Old folks in their comfortable walking shoes and fanny packs. Suburban parents calling their kids who were at soccer practice so they could hear the drumming. This wasn't a group of weirdos. This is what democracy looks like.
Heyn New gravatar made it!
jdw,
I suggested a snack for your gravatar and its buddies on the previous thread.
Lurk...
seaxneat's back with a brand new blogwhore:
http://seaxneat.blogspot.com/200...ns-of-
rita.html
some interesting media things happened down here.
top thread at Kos via the nyt, from the 'oh yeah, we trust you this time' dept:
"It is going to be different," said Senator Lincoln Chafee, Republican of Rhode Island, who is socially liberal and has said he will vote to confirm Judge Roberts.
Mr. Chafee said he would apply a more skeptical standard to the next nominee because of the balance of the court and might even oppose a jurist similar to Judge Roberts. "I will be looking very carefully" at the next nominee's views on privacy rights, "separation of church and state," and the scope of federal power, he said.
Senator Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, a Republican who supports abortion rights and has said she will vote to confirm Judge Roberts, took a similar view. She previously voted to confirm some of Mr. Bush's appeals court nominees who met stiff liberal opposition, like Judge Priscilla R. Owen and Judge Janice Rogers Brown, two people said to be on Mr. Bush's shortlist. But Ms. Snowe said she might not support either one for the Supreme Court. "This is certainly a different level of evaluation," Ms. Snowe said, "especially because of the balance of power on the court."
balance. it's all about balance. right.
"College football overtime is ok, but still kind of silly. That's my opinion."
agree, what's wrong with a tie?
This wasn't a group of weirdos. This is what democracy looks like.
Assuming democracy itself isn't weird now.
now, the hurricane really was, it just nailed less populated areas. that said, the communities of Jasper and Vidor Texas can rot in hell for all eternity. perhaps god punished them for their racism and intolerance?
Opinion: I find it incredibly sad that the news media chose to concentrate on a Hurricane that really wasn't and ignore a peace rally that really was?
Nicely put, DWD.
I am so bummed to think I'm going to miss my weekly fix of Frank Rich. DRATS!
so there was some sort of protest? god, wall-to-wall hurricane coverage leaves you alienated from the world!
I am so bummed to think I'm going to miss my weekly fix of Frank Rich. DRATS!
But John Tierney gets roped off, so it's got a silver lining.
agree, what's wrong with a tie?
gary in fl
Was it Bear Bryant who said it "was like kissing your sister"? I always thought, "Well, isn't that what y'all do in Alabama?"
I think the press takes pics of the most extreme people at the protest. There were far more "middle Americans" than anything else. Moms with babies in strollers. Old folks in their comfortable walking shoes and fanny packs. Suburban parents calling their kids who were at soccer practice so they could hear the drumming. This wasn't a group of weirdos. This is what democracy looks like.
Hecate | Email | Homepage | 09.
i know that hec. i'm no virgin to the whole protest movement, and that's usually the case- press focusing on the freaks, regular people ignored.
thanks for going, btw. i looked for familiar faces on c-span. i hope you met nice people.
top thread at Kos via the nyt, from the 'oh yeah, we trust you this time' dept:
Yup, that was my reaction, too - have they completely forgotten which vacancy Roberts was initially nominated for, and how much resistance he encountered (not)?
I suggested a snack for your gravatar and its buddies on the previous thread.
bo"
and to save me from scrolling thru trollshit, it would be....????
Schumer Staffers Get Free Vacation For Privacy Violation
Senator Chuck Schumer, who runs the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, has long decried the potential for identity theft and the loss of privacy in the marketplace. In April of this year, Schumer introduced legislation to create an entire new bureaucracy for "data merchants", the Schumer-Nelson ID Theft Prevention Bill. What penalties does the Schumer-Nelson bill prescribe for violations? A thousand dollars per violation, for starters, and repeated violations probably would get escalated.
So what did Schumer and the DSCC do with two staffers that got caught with Lt. Governor Michael Steele's (R-MD) credit report? Apparently gave them a two-month vacation with pay, according to the New York Post:
Phil Singer, a spokesman for the Schumer-headed Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said two staffers were instantly suspended — with pay — in July after admitting they obtained the credit report of Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael Steele, who is running for Senate.
Sources familiar with the situation said the committee's head of research, Katie Barge, and a deputy, Lauren Weiner, got the credit report by using Steele's Social Security number, which they say they obtained from public documents.
Records obtained by The Post show the two continued to be paid by the Democratic committee at least through Aug. 31.
Katie Barge has quite a resumé as a researcher. She worked in that capacity for Media Matters, and before that for the John Edwards presidential campaign. In fact, she did opposition research for Edwards according to Common Dreams, which touted her as a key player to David Brock at Media Matters.
It seems that Ms. Barge got hired by the DSCC for exactly the purpose for which she got suspended. It seems telling that the Senator who wants to impose a new licensing and compliance bureaucracy on so-called data merchants hires people like Barge and then expresses outrage when they perform the tasks that made her such an attractive candidate for their position.
The DSCC's suspension with pay -- such a painful scolding! -- earns Schumer the Captain Louis Renault Award, a recognition of hypocrisy so transparent that its existence serves only to entertain us. When Schumer starts treating his staff the way he proposes that the government treat the taxpayer, we'll alert the usual suspects.
"College football overtime is ok, but still kind of silly. That's my opinion."
really? i like how they do overtime...much better then the pro game...
Was it Bear Bryant who said it "was like kissing your sister"? I always thought, "Well, isn't that what y'all do in Alabama?"
Maybe he meant a tie was like only getting to first base with your sister.
Was it Bear Bryant who said it "was like kissing your sister"? I always thought, "Well, isn't that what y'all do in Alabama?"
hahahahahah!
:loL:
so, i want to move to austin. anyone know cool lawyers there?
i might want to move back to bloomington, indiana, too.
Eli, sorry: that was Duffy Daugherty - legendary coach of Michigan State. But MSU Looks like they have it goin this year. Kind of cool, their star quarterback's father is a high school friend.
I like the back-and-forth, Mortal Kombat-style overtime, that's fine. I would recommend starting possessions further back so scoring was more difficult.
Or a modified NFL style- not sudden death, but with each side guaranteed a possession.
If Rita spared the oil refineries in the Gulf, why has regular risen 12 cents in 24 hours?
i don't want an answer from them, but i have this question: if we're all so much a tiny minority and "most people" really support boosh and his war, why aren't there any pictures of this phantom majority that look like this?
i suppose eating cheetos is too taxing.
Gaylord Stanton went to school with me. Now Gaylord is a name you seldom hear these days . . .
a 'tie' is unamerican. someone MUST win.
Maybe he meant a tie was like only getting to first base with your sister.
Eli
And yet knowing that the rest of the nation wouldn't "understand", he had the good sense not to put it that way. See?!! He was a fucking genius!!
Dartanyon, I heard some idiot on ABC's 20/20 (I was not watching, passing through for a drink) opine that it is a miracle the oil companies ever make money for their profit margins are so thin . . . . (Bunch of dull tools on ABC)
"i don't want an answer from them, but i have this question: if we're all so much a tiny minority and "most people" really support boosh and his war, why aren't there any pictures of this phantom majority that look like this?"
it seems to have been reported in numerous polls that most people aren't for boosh's war...how much coverage would be suitable for that sentiment?
The Bush government apparently chose to interfere with commerce in this country by shutting down Amtrak and Metro trains to keep protesters away. Since Bush is hiding in Colorado and Rove is grubbing for money in North Dakota I have to figure this was Cheney's idea. He seems naturally drawn to the type of totalitarian tactics a Soviet-style government would use anyway. He probably regrets not being able to shoot at the crowds.
From the Washington Post:
In a hitch for some coming to the protest, 13 Amtrak trains running between New York and Washington were delayed for up to three hours Saturday morning for repair of overhead electrical lines. Protest organizers said that held up thousands coming to the rally.
Wow! Still no trollies? Hokay, here's my opinion.
The Bush administration is the most corrupt, venal and destructive administration in the history of the US.
Ever.
Ever.
In my opinion.
FOAD trolls!
what's wrong with a tie?
I personally will never wear a tie.
"i don't want an answer from them, but i have this question: if we're all so much a tiny minority and "most people" really support boosh and his war, why aren't there any pictures of this phantom majority that look like this?"
it seems to have been reported in numerous polls that most people aren't for boosh's war...how much coverage would be suitable for that sentiment?
Who would ever have thought that 60% of the population would become marginalized peacenik hippies?
Hey Seaxneat...glad you are ok. We were wondering about you and the other Houstonians this morning.
We evacuated our little coastal paradise on Wednesday afternoon and have been enjoying the lovely Hill Country weather (despite being sick). Odd to have a 95* wind from the north though.
I personally will never wear a tie.
ruviana
Well, certainly not a bow tie, I hope...Fucker Carlson is such a weinie.
a tie suggests classlessness.
"Who would ever have thought that 60% of the population would become marginalized peacenik hippies?"
I actually find it amazing that 60% are anti-chimpco war.
DWD,
Really? Fuckards.
EXXON-Mobile made $10 billion (yep that's billion with a "B") in profits the last quarter.
Oh well, what can you expect from the morons who brought us the hidious John Stossel?
Or a modified NFL style- not sudden death, but with each side guaranteed a possession.
I've always thought football should do it basketball style, except for a full quarter: no sudden death, just play 15 minutes of real football. Seems the most fair.
The college version is kind of exciting, in the same sense that a soccer shootout is -- that is, tense, but it feels kind of cheap.
DWD: most excellent new gravitar.
A majority of US citizens do not support Bush and his policies.
A MAJORITY OF US CITIZENS DO NOT SUPPORT BUSH AND HIS POLICIES.
Sorry for the shouting, but it needs to be repeated loud and often.
The unpopular president Bush is not supported by a majority of the American people.
It's nice to have a thread without trolls. No rampant stupidity, no cut-and-paste bullshit, no fascism, no Cog.
I think every thread should be like this from now on.
SHG: glad to hear you're okay too! yeah, this heat is horrible! blech!
It would be interesting if someone investigated the AMTRAK delays that occured this morning. Talking to the workers (as opposed to their supervisors) would tell a lot I believe.
Hey, you know what I heard somewhere?
A MAJORITY OF US CITIZENS DO NOT SUPPORT BUSH AND HIS POLICIES.
I, too, apologize for the shouting, but only kind of.
sdf, it is a portion of an aboriginal painting from OZ.
seaxneat! Welcome back, glad to see you're okay!
The Bush administration is the most corrupt, venal and destructive administration in the history of the US.
Worst administration ever.
I'm sad to hear about Amtrak's questionable need for repairs.
OTOH, it only makes people more resolute. They can't stop that train.
"I think every thread should be like this from now on.
Seraphiel"
it can be by just ignoring them...they'll go away if no one engages them
EXXON-Mobile made $10 billion (yep that's billion with a "B") in profits the last quarter.
Seven and a half, not ten.
I think every thread should be like this from now on.
Like a bush speech with no hecklers to guarantee success.
seaxneat, nice to see you and glad you made it through intact.
lavalamp: thanks! luckily, i live on the west side, so we were only ever in real trouble if Rita came in at Matagorda. Galveston and points east would put us on the "clean" side. heh. who's been watching the weather too much? yeah, me.
pie: thanks!
EXXON-Mobile made $10 billion (yep that's billion with a "B") in profits the last quarter.
Seven and a half, not ten.
That's one company. What about the others?
DWD, very cool.
If they did mess w/ Amtrack, it didn't matter. There were so many people that it wasn't so much a march as a continuous circle of people. One thing, on reflection, that I did notice was a larger, although still small, percentage of African American and Hispanic marchers than I've seen in previous marches. I was behind some people who carried photographs of their loved ones fighting in Iraq.
i thot it was darrell royal. anyway, the way they do ties is kinda cheap, i think they should just keep playing quarters till somebody wins. i mean cmon, regular rules. as it is its like a penalty kick in soccer.
As I said, $10 billion.
http://houston.indymedia.org/new...05/09/
43386.php
It's nice to have a thread without trolls. No rampant stupidity, no cut-and-paste bullshit, no fascism, no Cog.
I think every thread should be like this from now on.
Seraphiel
Is FOX and MSNBC presently showing an O'Reilly/Scarborough/Hannity?Geraldo simulcast with Mann Coulter guesting? Where'd they all go? Not that I'm complaining, mind you.
That's one company. What about the others?
Go look it up.
Afternoon, freethinkers
Any good news?
That's one company. What about the others?
2 quarters ago, BP made something like $3bn in profits.
entierly, i suspect, due to less-than-full gasoline refining capacity.
which fucked 2.75 million Texans.
Texas! Aren't we, like, Oil Country? I mean, we have to know oil & gas law for the bar exam!!
A MAJORITY OF US CITIZENS DO NOT SUPPORT BUSH AND HIS POLICIES.
Category 5 Incompetence!
Category 5 Malfeasance!
And I don't apologize for shouting.
the texas railroad commission has been messing with texans for decades
From Fortune article, "Poor Little Rich Company":
"Exxon Mobil CEO Lee Raymond should be enjoying a victory lap right about now. But instead of celebrating the fact that surging energy prices have brought his company to within shouting distance of the top spot on this year's FORTUNE 500 (it's No. 2 again), the soon-to-retire CEO suddenly has a new anxiety: how to spend the windfall wrought by $55-a-barrel oil. By the end of April, Exxon will have a cash hoard of more than $25 billion."
As I said, $10 billion.
I'll take the SEC filing over "Indymedia", thank you.
http://eol.edgar-online.com/edga...-05-
000119.html
Scroll down to where it says "Net Income". That's their profit.
man, i guess i'm just waaaay out there. this is just too much.
i guess we're the 'far left' site on the internet. but still, this is pretty shocking to me. i guess no one cares about hecate and all those 'normal' people who showed up today, even within our own ranks.
Ow! My anus!
Category 5 malfeasance sounds about right. and lies. i never thought our local media would be such stoolies to the official line.
Isn't it curious how the Bush apologists are always named "Anonymous?" 
Afternoon, freethinkers
Any good news?
Ripley
A MAJORITY OF US CITIZENS DO NOT SUPPORT BUSH AND HIS POLICIES.
AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO APOLOGIZE FOR SHOUTING.
Go look it up.
It doesn't matter. It's a ridiculous amount of money.
also, most people disapprove of the college football overtime rules.
SHOUTING CAN BE FUN!!!
(but so can whispering)
Crap. Ruppert's here.
Ignore the troll.
people shout during college football ot.
Isn't it curious how the Bush apologists are always named "Anonymous?"
Dartanyon
In-breeding, Dartanyon, in-breeding!! 
Hi Seaxneat,
There's a great new law firm in Austin. Deats, Durst, Owen, Levy. They practice labor, employment and education law.
They're on retainer with the Texas Federation of Teachers, a state affiliate with my union local.
Texas! Aren't we, like, Oil Country? I mean, we have to know oil & gas law for the bar exam!!
That's why everybody talks about the TX bar exam in ooh-scary hushed tones...
In Mass, we get to learn gay marriage law- much cooler, and easier to apply.
In-breeding, Dartanyon, in-breeding!!
ZuZu's Petals | 09.24.05 - 6:21 pm
it starts with sister kissing.
I saw that diary earlier, ChiDy, and I couldn't even finish reading it. Right now I just don't give a flying rat's ass about Israel.
We have plenty of good old American problems to deal with right now.
I'm not sure how far left that makes me. I don't know much about ANSWER but they don't sound like they're very organized. Yes? No?
Yes, Frist has problems on two very serious fronts:
1.) TORTURE: What he knew and when did he know it
2.) INSIDER TRADING: The SEC is investigating him
No wonder he has such a pained look on that Android face of his lately.
And I just thought he was constipated?
also, most people disapprove of the college football overtime rules.
I was happy to see Iowa State beat Army in regular time last night.
It doesn't matter. It's a ridiculous amount of money.
If you don't like it, don't give them any of your money.
i think answer is pretty organized--at least theyve been doing this stuff for a while. they do seem pretty doctrinaire.
never thought our local media would be such stoolies to the official line. -seaxneat (fka PoppieProng)
Dusgustapatin', I tells ya! [/popeye
The nebish percentage of journalists will continue to increase. Knight Ridder is laying of 50 news people in San Jose & 100 in Artiosville. NYT announced it's chopping 500 jobs, and the SF Chronic announced a 120 person layoff last month.
Isn't it curious how the Bush apologists are always named "Anonymous?"
Dartanyon
In-breeding, Dartanyon, in-breeding!!
ZuZu's Petals
And a little cowardice thrown in.
And I just thought he was constipated?
Dartanyon
Well, yeah, that too. That helmet haired sack of shit is my senator.
That's why everybody talks about the TX bar exam in ooh-scary hushed tones...
In Mass, we get to learn gay marriage law- much cooler, and easier to apply.
that is much cooler. the oil and gas part wasn't too hard, though. it's just property law with royalties, and if you throw a bunch of crap on the page, they'll give you points for what sticks! the hardest part for me, to be honest, was the Multistate Multiple choice, actually, cuz i suck at that!!!
dedominator,
Love your gravatar.
You know, it's a miracle that working folks can scratch out a living with all that capital being sucked up to the very top.
We're all getting fisted by the Hidden Hand.
[apologies to Chicago Dyke ]
"I think the press takes pics of the most extreme people at the protest."
Of course they do.
They serve their Repug masters.
If you don't like it, don't give them any of your money.
I hardly give them anything any more.
Certainly much, much less than other people. Driving has become a luxury.
More wit and wisdom from Duffy
http://www.creativequotations.co...com/one/
847.htm
The nebish percentage of journalists will continue to increase. Knight Ridder is laying of 50 news people in San Jose & 100 in Artiosville. NYT announced it's chopping 500 jobs, and the SF Chronic announced a 120 person layoff last month.
i don't know why we even have the press anymore. all they do is print and broadcast the press releases anyway. shameful.
i thought it was the new york bar exam that was supposed to be so tough.
"i guess we're the 'far left' site on the internet. but still, this is pretty shocking to me. i guess no one cares about hecate and all those 'normal' people who showed up today, even within our own ranks."
Oh, think they DO care, and care a lot. It seems to me that there's a faction of people that think that a sort of 'doing your own thing' is more important then the purported goal of the rally itself. It's all about me, me and my pet cause du jour. All well and fine, I guess. This is America(what's left of it) so have at it. Just don't be suprised or cry the blues when people make comments like this:
"I and a group of about 10 friends went to what we thought was a protest against the US-Iraq invasion and occupation. It was held on Boston Common.
To our dismay, the agenda was much like today, with the additions of "Free Mumia!" and "Free Leonard Peltier!"
But yeah, the pro-Palestine, anti-Israel dogma coming off the stage was the real turn off for our group. Some of my group were core progressives who could handle the dissenting viewpoints -- but others were friends who were just barely convinced enough to come to participate in the rally. This was a tipping point for them...
... and they felt very uncomfortable by the bait-and-switch. "I thought this was about Iraq" they kept saying. "I don't like this shit about Israel -- I support Israel." "Let's get out of here."
We slinked away, most of them threw their leaflets in the trash, and we went home not feeling very good about the experience. I spell it out in detail now because our group was the exact range of people needed to form an effective anti-war movement: progressives, solid Dems, libertarian-leaning independents, and centrists."
Certainly much, much less than other people. Driving has become a luxury.
pie
I haven't driven in two weeks.
I use my feet and/or busses.
And I just thought he was constipated?
Dartanyon
Well, yeah, that too. That helmet haired sack of shit is my senator.
ZuZu's Petals
So many conservatives have that dead-eyed, constipated look.
Like George Will. When I see him on TV I just want to shout, Metamucil, George!
If you don't like it, don't give them any of your money.
oh like that's an option. what? take the bus? what does a bus run on? walk to work? i'd love to, but i live 26 miles from work, because it's where i can afford it. please. we're at the whim of the gas companies.
"I think the press takes pics of the most extreme people at the protest."...
Take that as a given. Now, how do you deal with that?
i thought it was the new york bar exam that was supposed to be so tough. - pretzelattack
True that. I never made it past McSorely's.
i thought it was the new york bar exam that was supposed to be so tough.
that and the CA are the ones where we all say "wow! you're brave!"
oh to have been admitted to Wisconsin, and have been licensed upon graduation...
Please remember to ignore trolls. Thank you.
I haven't driven in two weeks.
I haven't driven in more than 5 months and I'm selling my car in a few weeks. To someone who lives closer to work than I do, which is about a mile. Doh!
the hardest part for me, to be honest, was the Multistate Multiple choice, actually, cuz i suck at that!!!
Everyone sucks at that one, seaxneat. It's impossible not to suck, when out of every 4 choices, 2 are equally correct.
Grrrr -
Hey, Chicago Dyke, I've gotten burned with the dead-thread posting all day.
I just finished a comment on the last thread inspired by a comment of yours.
Fuck this shit, goddamnit, I'm not going to repost. Even I know that one chance is plenty for my ponderous offerings.
In the Haloscan of the future, a two-minute new thread warning will chime, and a Haloscan Attendant will offer the option of transferring one's Work In Progress to the new thread.
And nobody will be frist.
In the meantime, CD, check it out if you feel like it.
i thought it was the new york bar exam that was supposed to be so tough.
pretzelattack
I had a moment of clarity when I was studying for my exam: what better way to end a competitive law school cycle than to compete over who has the roughest exam? Everyone had their own horror stories, of course.
That said, Rhode Island's essays are all on non-multistate topics. That's a headache I'm glad I didn't have to deal with...
"We're all getting fisted by the Hidden Hand."
--Uncle Smokes
Lately, I feel like there is a $25 surcharge every time I enter the grocery store. Prices in the produce dept. are escalating daily.
Like George Will. When I see him on TV I just want to shout, Metamucil, George!
Dartanyon
Hmmmmm..maybe we all should send him some. Would be a hoot for ABC to get hundreds of pounds of "fiber" in Georgie's name.
I think the press takes pics of the most extreme people at the protest.
Just as, if you go by television coverage, every gay in this country is either a chained and pierced leather guy, a flaming drag queen, or a hyperactive, leaping skinny guy with nothing on but speedo.
And they're coming to take you children and Bibles away!
Aaaaaaaeeeiiii!
Everyone sucks at that one, seaxneat. It's impossible not to suck, when out of every 4 choices, 2 are equally correct.
Grrrr -
yup. all through law school, we're taught "make there be an answer," and then the MPT says "there can be only one!" and christopher lambert walks by and lops off yer head!
Like George Will. When I see him on TV I just want to shout, Metamucil, George!
Dartanyon
Hmmmmm..maybe we all should send him some. Would be a hoot for ABC to get hundreds of pounds of "fiber" in Georgie's name.
ZuZu's Petals
Maybe he'll share with John Stossel?
the hardest part for me, to be honest, was the Multistate Multiple choice, actually, cuz i suck at that!!!
Everyone sucks at that one, seaxneat. It's impossible not to suck, when out of every 4 choices, 2 are equally correct.
Oddly, my Multistate scores made up for my mediocre essay scores in Ohio. I guess it takes all kinds.
oh like that's an option.
Of course it is.
what? take the bus? what does a bus run on?
They usually run on diesel, but some run on electric.
walk to work? i'd love to, but i live 26 miles from work, because it's where i can afford it.
Hate to break it to you, but Exxon neither chose your job nor where you chose to live. If you choose to live 26 miles from work, it's kind of silly to complain about all the oil the US consumes, since since at 30 mpg you're using 500 gallons of gas just to get to work and back every year.
please. we're at the whim of the gas companies.
No, we're not. You are.
Typical liberal losers. Full of hate for our nation and our troops and our president. Hopin to see us fail and our enemies triumph. Why don't we have sedition laws? We could have avoided this whole circus in DC and had everyone arrested. That's the kind of country I want back, and so do many of us.
.
And they're coming to take you children and Bibles away!
They can HAVE the fucking bibles!
We could have avoided this whole circus in DC and had everyone arrested. That's the kind of country I want back, and so do many of us.
WRONG!!!!
I haven't driven in two weeks.
I use my feet and/or busses.
Right on. Good for you, man.
Someone cut one? Phew!.... Oh
They make you take the VA bar exam wearing a suit. So, I took the Maryland exam and then waived into D.C. No way was I going to wear a suit for two days.
That said, Rhode Island's essays are all on non-multistate topics. That's a headache I'm glad I didn't have to deal with...
texas had 12 state-specific exam questions. i preferred that to other states like IL and FL where there where two exam questions which could be on anything. having 12 questions let me know what i could focus on and what i could sorta let slide.
like oil and gas.
Video footage from 2 Anti-war protest rallies today
http://www.canofun.com/blog/viddate.asp
If you choose to live 26 miles from work, it's kind of silly to complain about all the oil the US consumes, since since at 30 mpg you're using 500 gallons of gas just to get to work and back every year.
Yeah, liberal. You should live where you work and practice what you preach.
.
They make you take the VA bar exam wearing a suit. So, I took the Maryland exam and then waived into D.C. No way was I going to wear a suit for two days.
good lord! a suit!
SHOUTING CAN BE FUN!!!
THAT'S RIGHT, BRIAN!!! I'M VERY INTERESTED IN SHOUTING!!! I'VE BEEN SHOUTING, IT'S WONDERFUL!!!"
"And what does your wife think about all of this?"
I AGREE WITH HIM!!!
Please remember to ignore trolls. Thank you.
You're welcome.
The Texas Bar Exam has something like a 90% pass rate. You really do not want to be one of the 10% who don't pass on the first try though.
This liberal is moving to the Gulf coast to help with rebuilding.
I wonder what the proud American neocons who trool these sites are doing to help America...
i guess we're the 'far left' site on the internet.
Far left? Hardly.
It's called having a love of country and being horrified at the events of the last five years.
I fucking do not have to go to a rally to show that. I do it every day, every chance I get.
Just as, if you go by television coverage, every gay in this country is either a chained and pierced leather guy, a flaming drag queen, or a hyperactive, leaping skinny guy with nothing on but speedo.
And they're coming to take you children and Bibles away!
Aaaaaaaeeeiiii!
Uncle Smokes
Not to mention, they under report.
When I lived in San Francisco in the late 80's, MSM always reported the gay pride parade as having "250,000 participants."
The police put the number at "100,000."
Organizers at "1,000,000."
The SF Tourist and Convention Bureau at "500,000."
The Texas Bar Exam has something like a 90% pass rate. You really do not want to be one of the 10% who don't pass on the first try though.
it's 80%, but you are right. you don't want to be in that 20% who didn't make it.
You should live where you work and practice what you preach.
Makes...no...fucking...sense!
ripley- answer's a weird mix of college kids, true far left freaks, and probably some plants to make us look bad.
... and they felt very uncomfortable by the bait-and-switch. "I thought this was about Iraq" they kept saying. "I don't like this shit about Israel -- I support Israel." "Let's get out of here."
jdw- i blogged on this, and here's my rejoinder:
Further, I understand that it’s a long string of words to connect why freeing Mumia is related to the war in Iraq. I appreciate the comments that by doing so, the anti-war movement puts off a large group of otherwise anti-war moderates, ones who will vote, spend money, and even speak out in order to end the war. But I will fight, to my dying breath, the idea that education is a bad thing in the fight against American pseudofascism. And I honestly think that while “unity” of message has value, I’m not going to absolve people of the responsibility of understanding the relatively simple idea that Muslims care about the plight of the Palestinians, and see the war in Iraq as much the same thing: a magnification of the war on Muslims around the world, funded by US tax dollars, carried out by overwhelmingly superior US-led forces, and aided by the government of Israel. That’s not so hard to understand, is it?
please. we're at the whim of the gas companies.
No, we're not. You are.
Anonymous | 09.24.05 - 6:32 pm | #
What about increased fuel prices for shipping and trucking? What about heating prices (especially with what I'm told is gonna be a booger of a winter coming up)? Then there's all the other industrial uses from petroleum beyond just gas in the tank to consider. Whatever economic hoodoo is going on in regards to the oil supply affects more than folks who drive SUV's, ya know. And it all affects everything else, one way or another.
How you intend to get around all that?
It's called having a love of country and being horrified at the events of the last five years.
I fucking do not have to go to a rally to show that. I do it every day, every chance I get.
pie
He seems naturally drawn to the type of totalitarian tactics a Soviet-style government would use anyway. He probably regrets not being able to shoot at the crowds.
Of Course. And that's why Condi's Soviet expertise is so vital to this Administration!
DP: Hopin to see us fail
You've already failed!
If you choose to live 26 miles from work, it's kind of silly to complain about all the oil the US consumes, since since at 30 mpg you're using 500 gallons of gas just to get to work and back every year.
just to correct the record, i was actually complaining about the profit margins of oil companies when they have been running at less-than-full capacity at gasoline refinieries. in other industries, according to my antitrust classes, that's called price-fixing.
anyway, i'm going to eat some dinner.
Of Course. And that's why Condi's Soviet expertise is so vital to this Administration!
plantsman
Usually, this is where I chime in to make a joke about her renowned ice skating ability. But I'm not gonna do that this time. Nope, not this time...
We could have avoided this whole circus in DC and had everyone arrested. That's the kind of country I want back, and so do many of us.
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David Patterson
ROFL!!! How many of "us" is inside you?
What about increased fuel prices for shipping and trucking?
Quick Quiz: Who here is old enough to know why Hamburger Helper exists?
If you choose to live 26 miles from work
Hilarious.
Yes, by all means, spend money to move closer to a residence that will cost you more in rent/mortgage.
Asshole.
Terry C: makes perfect sense, and YOU are wrong. You are liberal bias to assume Americans, especially here in the Heartland, don't want a few rules around here and the grownups want the kids to go clean their rooms. Most of us voted for Bush. You had your chance. Your ideas are tired and biased and you failed. Too bad.
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They make you take the VA bar exam wearing a suit. So, I took the Maryland exam and then waived into D.C. No way was I going to wear a suit for two days.
Hecate
They say Virginia is made for lovers.
And wingnuts.
Quick Quiz: Who here is old enough to know why Hamburger Helper exists?
cause hamburgers needed help?
Good afternoon, kiddos!!
Can I just ask...Is there nothing better than alcohol and Joy Division?
Well an impeachment..... maybe.
Quick Quiz: Who here is old enough to know why Hamburger Helper exists?
Tastes just fine without meat.
Wow, that was pretty cool. Someone around here owns a bunch of old cars, and a really old one (early 1920's looked like) just went down the street. Verrrrry slowly.
What about increased fuel prices for shipping and trucking?
Buy locally. Grow your own. Lots of things you can do.
What about heating prices (especially with what I'm told is gonna be a booger of a winter coming up)?
Insulation, better windows, etc. There's also alternative fuels. Learn how to zone heat. Put on a sweater. Wear slippers.
Lots of ways to conserve and be more efficient, as well as alternative heating options.
Then there's all the other industrial uses from petroleum beyond just gas in the tank to consider.
True. But like I said, if you're conscious about what you're consuming, you can avoid most of that.
Whatever economic hoodoo is going on in regards to the oil supply affects more than folks who drive SUV's, ya know. And it all affects everything else, one way or another.
I know that. But it doesn't mean one has to be personally vicitmized by it.
How you intend to get around all that?
I've already prepared for all this long ago. It doesn't really affect me personally.
fuck, i'll never catch up. Little Bro, you wrote:
I don't think that the "average" person is going to tune in to the coverage to help make up his/her mind anyway. Pro-war, pro-Bush types will tune in just long enough to confirm their prejudices.
bingo. let's all try to remember that. at this point, if you're really so uninformed as to not know how you feel about boosh, then i'm less interested in engaging you. only the undead don't have an opinion, and those who use logic, however lightly, have no choice but to see "something's not right" with this country.
puppet waving freaks are not the cause of that.
I was behind some people who carried photographs of their loved ones fighting in Iraq.
That was YOU?
Can I just ask...Is there nothing better than alcohol and Joy Division?
Beer and some blues here. But I'll subscribe to your newsletter, just the same.
Buy locally. Grow your own. Lots of things you can do.
yeah but if you grow your own they can bust you.
when they have been running at less-than-full capacity at gasoline refinieries. in other industries, according to my antitrust classes, that's called price-fixing.
You better take a better class, because running below capacity has nothing to do with price collusion, though price colluders could intentionally curb supply.
It's not the refiners doing it, though, at least not short-term.
Can I just ask...Is there nothing better than alcohol and Joy Division?
Well an impeachment..... maybe.
Zap Rowsdower
And a big, antibiotic resistant infection for Cheney.
Bush is the best president ever, and you can't stand it, the proof right in front of you, your bias and hatred is so out of control. Liberals are in denial of reality, but their hatred is real. You will be stopped. You will be silenced, because you have no "right" to say the Anti-American things you do. Your liberal courts might think so, but guess what? Ha ha ha. We have those who interpret the Constitution as it is supposed to be, NOT making up liberal hoohaw from it, back on benches, not making laws up but doing the will of the people and the president. You can't stand it. We will get God back. We will get government back from the traitors, and we will get our children back from the clutches of the multi-cult gay lobby.
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Another great sign I saw today said:
Born Republican
At age 55, started thinking.
People can change.
Who here is old enough to know why Hamburger Helper exists?
It helps you make a great meal, silly.
yeah but if you grow your own they can bust you.
I am a shrubber!
Now, please, take these handcuffs off me.
The answer: Hamburger Helper was marketed to help you stretch your meat dollar.
The 1973 Oil Embargo had a catastrphic effect on the U.S. economy.
One of those effects was skyrocketing meat prices. A common joke of the time has a housewife going to the bank to secure a loan for a Sunday pot roast.
The prices of everything will go up dramatically--it'll be the late 1970's again.
Dust off your WIN buttons.
The answer: Hamburger Helper was marketed to help you stretch your meat dollar.
Oh, ok. I thought you were gonna say, "It's PEOPLE!!!"
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That said, Rhode Island's essays are all on non-multistate topics. That's a headache I'm glad I didn't have to deal with...
That's how it was in Texas when I took the Bar Exam. I looked at a sample Colorado exam and couldn't believe it - it was all first year law subjects: contracts, criminal law, torts, federal procedure. In Texas the essay exam was all kinds of strictly Texas law. The thing that made me feel the best about it was that they asked my dream question. I had told someone the day before that I wished they would have a question comparing state and federal discovery procedures. By god, they did. I wrote in the margins, on the inside of both covers of the blue book, I could have written all day on that. Good thing - I faked it totally at the oil and gas question.
And a big, antibiotic resistant infection for Cheney.
Now, that's harsh. Come over here and sit by me.
Hilarious.
Yes, by all means, spend money to move closer to a residence that will cost you more in rent/mortgage.
Asshole.
My, you're quick to jump to conclusions, insults, and profanity.
I don't remember hearing any details whatsoever about where the person lives, where they work, and why they feel they need to work at that particular job.
Now use some more profanity, since that seems all you're equipped to do.
Afternoon, rational people.
Ah...it was nice being with the 62% of Americans who oppose the Iraq war.
It was also nice to see and hear Stephanie Miller speak: funny, incisive, coherent.
I have no idea how many people gathered here in downtown Los Angeles, but it was a bunch more than I expected.
You liberals are all living in the past, with pessimism. We are looking to the future, and America's role in leading it, we have no doubts. You are in the way. You weaken our resolve and sap our dreams from us. Pease: shut up, or et out. We don't want you in the USA.
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when you go to mcdonalds, hamburger helpers are there to ask you if you want fries with that.
We could have avoided this whole circus in DC and had everyone arrested. That's the kind of country I want back, and so do many of us.
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David Patterson
So move to Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, N. Korea or any of the other axis' of evil Little Bootsy McCokespoon blathers about, Sparky. Please....move there....now.
You better take a better class, because running below capacity has nothing to do with price collusion, though price colluders could intentionally curb supply.
did i say anything about colluding? antitrust law is not only about colluding. nintendo, if you recall, intentionally kept their supply of the NES low to drive up prices. they lost an antitrust suit. did they collude with SEGA? no.
OT
we'll be better in October but meds have us down
so until next Chick:
What do Catcher in the Rye, Slaughterhouse-Five, The Handmaid's Tale, Love in the Time of Cholera, The Lords of Discipline, Exodus, A Thousand Years of Solitude, The Color Purple, The Name of the Rose, The Bluest Eye and I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings all have in common?
They're all part of the "The Fidel Castro loving, internet porn loving, anything-goes-at-any-age ALA" secret plan to turn your son or daughter gay! Read more at Pabbis, the only concerned group of Virginian Sheila Broflofskies to sound like a Dr Who villain.
Also, Dr Who is in on it too.
Perhaps most deliciously, these morons offer FREE SAMPLES of the worst of the smut, starting with a book called 33 Snowfish, which centers around a runaway child-abuse victim named Boobie who tries treating his clap with Gatorade (we are not making this up).
Bush is the best president ever, and you can't stand it, the proof right in front of you. David Patterson
Speaking of proof:
NEWSWEEK POLL, September 10:
-Only 38 percent of Americans approve of the way Bush is doing his job overall, a record-low for this president. 55% of Americans disapprove of his overall job performance. And only 28% percent of Americans say they are "satisfied with the way things are going" in the country.
TIME, INC. POLL, September 11:
-Bush's approval rating is slipping, even among Republicans. The poll found only 42% percent of all respondents approve of Bush's job performance; 52% percent disapprove. Time's poll also found that 61% percent of respondents think Bush bears a great deal or some responsibility for "what went wrong with the relief effort after the hurricane," and 70% percent think the federal government bears a great deal or some responsibility.
AP-IPSOS POLL, September 10:
-Bush' job approval has dipped below 40% percent for the first time, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina. Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39% percent job approval. That's the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.
ZOGBY POLL, September 6 through 7:
-Bush's job approval has tanked to a stunning 41% -- an all time low and if the election were held today, Bush would lose to every modern president.
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I've already prepared for all this long ago. It doesn't really affect me personally.
Anonymous | 09.24.05 - 6:43 pm | #
It affects most other folks, though, and even Thoreau had to go into town for vittals. Not everyone in this country has the forsight and knowledge you claim (especially concerning alternative fuels, thanks to the mainstream media's lapdog behavior towards the oil industry), and unless you're planning on pulling a Kazinski (sans mail bombs, one would hope), I'm not sure how one would avoid the inevitable fall-out. And what of the people, like my parents, who will be and already are gravely affected by rising crude oil prices. Do you recommend just casting them to the wind?
And how do you have internet access in such a manner than is in no way affected by crude oil prices?
Monsieur and I spent a short time at the demo in LA. We didn't see any counteridiots.
And a big, antibiotic resistant infection for Cheney.
Dartanyon
Hell, I'll take that, too.
I have a report from a pretty reliable source that they are capping natural gas wells in Michigan. (Dunno why but it seems to me they are preparing for a huge price increase.)
Taking Tin Foil Hat off now.
You liberals are all living in the past, with pessimism. We are looking to the future, and America's role in leading it, we have no doubts. You are in the way. You weaken our resolve and sap our dreams from us. Pease: shut up, or et out. We don't want you in the USA.
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David Patterson
We're not going anywhere, Dickbreath. You, on the other hand...well, see my previous post.
Shut up or eat out?
Can't I just stay home with a pizza, some beer and my attitude?
Cocknipplebullshitfuckhellbastard!!
Sorry, Typettes Syndrome....
Pease: shut up, or et out. We don't want you in the USA.
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David Patterson
ANYtime you think you are big and bad enough to MAKE me shut or leave, take your best shot.
I DO know how to use a gun!
And a big, antibiotic resistant infection for Cheney.
Dartanyon
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
And a big, antibiotic resistant infection for Cheney.
Now, that's harsh. Come over here and sit by me.
Hecate
GMTA.
Oh, ok. I thought you were gonna say, "It's PEOPLE!!!"
Well...now that you mention it, what do you do with the superfluous poplulation, as the United States becomes a "human-resource rich" country?
Paging Jonathan Swift...
Anti-War Rally video clips...
Bush is the best president ever, and you can't stand it, the proof right in front of you. David Patterson
This joker has to be a parody.
He CAN'T believe that!
Another great sign I saw today said:
Born Republican
At age 55, started thinking.
People can change.
Hecate
did i say anything about colluding? antitrust law is not only about colluding. nintendo, if you recall, intentionally kept their supply of the NES low to drive up prices. they lost an antitrust suit. did they collude with SEGA? no.
Antitrust presumes that an entity has sufficient market power to manipulate prices - usually a monopoly or oligopoly, but like you mentioned, an entity with high enough market share would qualify.
Not really sure how that would apply to refiners, unless it's far more consolidated than I think it is.
Diane--I am happy to report that Monsieur and I had a great deal of difficulty finding parking for le marche.
okay, really am going to eat.
Bush is the best president ever, and you can't stand it, the proof right in front of you. David Patterson
OK, I get it. You're a parody troll, right? Like Merikan Patriot? Because nobody is that stupid.
Insulation, better windows, etc. There's also alternative fuels. Learn how to zone heat. Put on a sweater. Wear slippers.
What if you have young children and live in a house that already has all that? And it's still cold when the temperature is in the teens?
We can all do things to conserve, and many will have to cut back.
Hope your baby gets warm gruel and mother's milk.
Alternative fuels are the future.
Ground up and boiled down Bush voters might work well as an alternative to pertrolum based fuels.
I think that I shall never see,
A troll less stupid than DP.
But I DP should cease to call,
It wouldn't bother me, at all.
PABBIS first came to our attention by way of an entry in the new Harper's Readings:
[Appraisal]
YOU KNOW TIT WHEN YOU SEE IT
From the "Sample book review documentation form,"
supplied by Fairfax, Virginia, activist group Parents
Against Bad Books in Schools, for use by parents when
registering a complaint about a book in a school
library or on their child's reading list.
Does the book contain any sexual content?
Indicate the level of vividness/graphicness, using the
following as a general guide:
Basic: large breasts
Graphic: large, voluptuous, bouncing breasts
Very graphic: large, voluptuous, bouncing breasts with
hard nipples
Extremely graphic: large, voluptuous, bouncing breasts
with hard nipples covered in glistening sweat and bite
marks
Does the book contain any violent content?
Indicate the vividness/graphicness, using the
following as a general guide:
Basic: cut off his head
Graphic: cut off his head, blood gushed onto floor
Very graphic: cut off his head, blood gushed onto
floor, splattered on wall, and head bounced on the
floor
Extremely graphic: cut off his head, blood gushed onto
floor, splattered on wall, and head bounced on the
floor, and his brains slowly oozed out onto the carpet
in a purple gray mass.
chicago dyke: you can make a case that all that stuff-right down to Israel and freeing mumia and etc etc is interrelated and bemoan 'regular' people from not being able to get it or accusing them of laziness or a fucked up press or whatever. Fine.
But as far as I understood it, this was a rally about ending the war in Iraq. Fine, I'm down with that. I'll stand with people who want that...even the most repugnat conservatives.
But in my mind the speakers should love THAT cause and be married to it and understand it's bigger then themselves, and therefor would not do anything to jeopardize the possibility that that message will be lost amongst the clamour of various other causes.
We want to draw people to unite with that issue, right? So why potentially push them away with other stuff?
Sorry,
"But if DP should cease to call,..."
A. Boksa Roxz, very nice.
One of the greatest modern public health threats in institutions is antibiotic resistant Staphylococcus aureus. Perhaps one of these strains will, er, complicate Cheney's recovery...
Sallyh,
Do you have any idea of how many people were there for the rally? I'm no good at that kind of estimating.
I'm not sure how one would avoid the inevitable fall-out. And what of the people, like my parents, who will be and already are gravely affected by rising crude oil prices. Do you recommend just casting them to the wind?
You're presuming a doomsday-esque scenario. As yet, it hasn't happened, and there's little I can do to stop it if it does. I can't help it if people make themselves vulnerable to certain things -- it's not like it's a big secret that certain prices can go up and down pretty substantially and that there are alternatives to being affected by that.
And how do you have internet access in such a manner than is in no way affected by crude oil prices?
Crude's 3% of electricity, so it doesn't really affect electricity prices much, and even then, it's regional.
Uncle Smokes--"Soylent Red! Made of 100 pure rightwing Republicans! Available now on your grocer's shelf."
I don't remember hearing any details whatsoever about where the person lives, where they work, and why they feel they need to work at that particular job.
Who made the original assumption, turkey?
are we still on opinions?
i am decidedly of the opinion that george w. bush is a moral fuckwit.
anyone who disagrees is also a ...
i know, it's not very democratic. facts don't require democracy.
Diane--we were guessing 20K, but we are being conservative here. All I know is that you couldn't park for love nor money. And that is a good thing.
So why potentially push them away with other stuff? --jdw
You know Chi Dyke, we were told the rally was about about the evils of the Soviet Union. We can't understand what all this crap about Afghanistan and Poland and Hungary and Prague can possibly be about. Try to keep it to one subject, please, you're losing us.
ASNWER puts the number at 250,000. A crowd stetching more than 20 blocks.
I have been thinking that David Patterson is a parody troll all day...
Sallyh, glad you are here. I have the canape's out and the G&T's on ice.
A troll less stupid than DP.
"DP" is also porn lingo for "double penetration," which perhaps makes the troll "lucky Pierre" (the guy in the middle of an all-male threesome).
Oops...by saying something outlandish like that, does that mean I don't get to join in the "right kind" of rallies?
What if you have young children and live in a house that already has all that? And it's still cold when the temperature is in the teens?
One can make pretty much any place require very little outside heat, and even then, one can use wood, forced solar, or even things like corn instead of things like natural gas. Worse comes to worse, you can use electric heaters, since electricity prices are subject to regulation and don't fluctuate very widely.
One could also move somewhere warmer, if you don't want to do any of what I've mentioned.
We can all do things to conserve, and many will have to cut back.
Hope your baby gets warm gruel and mother's milk.
You're a nasty person. All I did was explain a few things and all you can do is wish bad things on people you don't know.
That's pretty disgusting.
Did I write turkey?
I meant chicken.
I might fuel my car with a ground up Bush voter, but I would never eat one.
OT: (on an open thread?)
Is anyone else excited about Ryan Adams' new album this week?
He's the new Gram Parsons. And, tragically, I think he's going down the same road.
SHG--Did you say canapes?
Who knew that being on the left could be so civilized?
sallyh, heh...I was hoping it was like that many or more.
Any estimates out on the DC march and rally?
or even things like corn instead of things like natural gas.
Oh, good grief.
Worse comes to worse, you can use electric heaters, since electricity prices are subject to regulation and don't fluctuate very widely.
you mean like enron in california?
Staphylocheneyoccus aureus: attacks evil, former Halliburton CEO's with a history of telling Senators to "go fuck themselves."
K&Y, sounds like my books toward the end there.
So why potentially push them away with other stuff? --jdw
You know Chi Dyke, we were told the rally was about about the evils of the Soviet Union. We can't understand what all this crap about Afghanistan and Poland and Hungary and Prague can possibly be about. Try to keep it to one subject, please, you're losing us.
Maybe it should be organized like university courses. Anti-Bush 101 for the new people and upper level protests for more advanced people.
To be fair, Diane, I'm reasonably good at estimating #s of cell colonies under a microscope, but for love or money can't tell how many people are in one spot.
Who made the original assumption, turkey?
The person told us he or she lives 26 miles from work. That's all we know.
Do you think you can stop being vile for a moment and stop with the nasty insults and namecalling?
I doubt it. So I'll just stop interacting with you at this point, unless you choose to grow up.
I'm shocked, shocked! at some of the language displayed in these comments.
Frankly, it's disgusting.
/vapors troll
charley
Dartanyon--science will immortalize you for that one
All I did was explain a few things and all you can do is wish bad things on people you don't know.
Huh? Warm gruel and mother's milk is nasty?
Who knew?
I have to say that IMO, Billmon has had perhaps the greatest day of blogging I've ever read. Sums up all my feelings on Iraq precisely.
The whole of the day a thing of beauty.
Please read it.
so were burning corn so exxon can price gouge?
Not only does Osama Bin Laden talk about Palestine almost every single time he speaks in an offical capacity, but Zionist columnists for some mysterious reason (often the same ones who for some mysterious reason falsely claimed that Sunni Muslims led the world in suicide bombers) said he doesn't care about Palestine. Surely this was just an unfortunate typo that has no bearing whatever on the war on terror or the global perceptions of the US.
Anonymous, kinda hard to burn wood in an apartment complex that doesn't have a fireplace. Plus the cost of wood ain't cheap either. So, you argument falls apart on so many levels.
Diane--I'm expecting that tomorrow or Monday, KPFK will have a head count.
"DP" is also porn lingo for "double penetration," which perhaps makes the troll "lucky Pierre" (the guy in the middle of an all-male threesome).
So that's you call him? I thought he was just lucky?
We can all do things to conserve, and many will have to cut back.
i have a colonial era bed warmer.
'course i live in florida, so it's mostly decorative.
seriously, i'm a marylander by birth, but i don't know how you guys handle the cold north. it's going to be expensive this winter, and cold.
Fresh post and Billmon. Very distressing, although not surprising if you read yesterday's cri de cour.
The man is hurting, as we all should be, I guess...
maybe youre supposed to cook corn in the microwave, till it turns into a fuel.
Sallyh, but of course...Bombay Sapphire over ice & White Rock tonic with a twist of lime or your choice of some lovely 2001 Cote du Rhone.
Now, there's the duck confit or your choice of pate' some freshly baked, and lightly toasted French bread, a brie...room temp of course, an assortment of fruit...I know, it should be the last course, but what the hell...
you mean like enron in california?
Depends on the state, but most if not all shield their citizens from exploitation by regulating consumer electricity rates. I think what happened in California is that Enron screwed people at the wholesale level, but that wouldn't directly affect consumer prices unless the PUC approved a rate increase to cover losses the utilities might have lost.
I have to say whenever I go and read Billmon (well, everyday), I feel there is still some hope for America.
Corn furnace:
http://www.dansons.com/glowboy-corn.htm
Attaturk, read that earlier: Billmon is one of the best.
Down here in small-town Ahia, we had sonewhere around 40 people on the Roy Rogers Esplanade. One of the organizers was (I think) a Green who spent an overlong time on the PA droning at us about things rather remote from the anti-Iraq War and anti-Bush sentiments that brought most of us out, but as I spent most of my time up at the corner of Gallia and Chillicothe holding up a sign for people driving by to see, he was easy enough to ignore. We got quite a few smiles, waves, peace signs etc. A few froens, head shakes, but no taunts or harassment.
--"Soylent Red! Made of 100 pure rightwing Republicans! Available now on your grocer's shelf."
Mmmmm...cornfed and kept tender by barely moving from the couch to the SUV and back.
Unfortunately, due to their unforturnate voting habits, Soylent Red is likely to contain radioactive and toxic contaminates from the wastes of factories and power plants--when they voted for "values," they didn't realize they'd get poisoned, too.
Consume with care.
Crude's 3% of electricity, so it doesn't really affect electricity prices much, and even then, it's regional.
Anonymous | 09.24.05 - 6:55 pm | #
Actually, I'd heard crude oil prices drastically affected energy prices, but in a general, umbrella sense (if there's a way to make even more money, these are the folks who'll find a way). Same thing goes for regional, as crude oil is an intergral part of an industrialized society. In other words, just cause you've weened yourself off crude oil doesn't mean everyone you buy from has. If you've pulled that off, that's a pretty neat trick.
And in all actuality, I don't really see any sort of doomsday scenario think happening. I do think prices will go up across the board and purchasing power will not be able (allowed?) to match it for the majority of Americans. Just because you say you can't do anything about it or that it really isn't illegal doesn't make it right. Still, there's way, way too much money to be made by the folks in corporate America to allow this country to slip into a third-world situation. When the oil needle is finally dry, the energy companies will figure out something else. Friend of mine thinks they already have something on the backburner and are just riding the whole crude oil thing out. No proof, of course, but I must admit it does make sense. In the meantime, normal people will continue to work themselves to death just to stay above water. Most folks don't have any other option.
Personally, I think that the "way things are" don't neccessarily have to be that way, and while I admit I'm just assuming this is where you stand, I reject the idea that there's nothing you can do about it, so there's no reason to even try.
The level at which Billmon's post speaks to me is the one that says, we have only horrible choices left.
in california a lot of people got screwed at the retail level.
Thanks, Sallyh.
And for the record: I was not the oldest person there, not by a longshot.
ok, total overload. i've made the recommended list at kos, and i can't keep up here, there and at my own blog. /brain explodes/
jdw:
We want to draw people to unite with that issue, right? So why potentially push them away with other stuff?
jdw | Email | 09.24.05 - 6:54 pm | #
look, is it too much to ask that some types of people come into contact with different kinds of people? i mean, should we have rallies for black people, mumia people, palestinian people, and antiwar people all in separate corners?
don't like a message? say so. just say, "that's stupid. i don't care. but i'm against the war, are you?"
the answer will be "yes." this is one of those framing the issue moments- do you really believe there is still a 'moderate undecided middle' so great in this country as to swing the balance? i'm sorry, i don't.
i'll defend your moderate beliefs even as i engage you to consider mine. all i ask is that you do the same. if you can't, to my mind, that is the problem. are you so insecure in your beliefs that you can't defend them? i'm not.
...runs off to other blog...
so were burning corn so exxon can price gouge?
Most people don't heat their homes with oil (it's mostly on the East Coast), nor is much electricity generated with it.
Exxon has very little to do with keeping homes warm.
there was some quote by one of the enron guys--something like "screw the grandmas".
k&y- i left you a message at my blog.
Please read it.
Attaturk
i love billmon alerts.
this is my favorite blog. except billmons. i was always afraid to comment on billmon's blog (not smart enuf}. alrite, off to see billmon.
gw. is still a moral fuckwit. does evidence support the facts, or do facts support the evidence?
The person told us he or she lives 26 miles from work. That's all we know.
Let's go over the conversation:
seaxneat walk to work? i'd love to, but i live 26 miles from work, because it's where i can afford it.
ChickenHate to break it to you, but Exxon neither chose your job nor where you chose to live. If you choose to live 26 miles from work, it's kind of silly to complain about all the oil the US consumes, since since at 30 mpg you're using 500 gallons of gas just to get to work and back every year.
And what's this *we* crap?
What kingdom do you rule?
Anonymous, kinda hard to burn wood in an apartment complex that doesn't have a fireplace.
Most apartments include heat as part of the cost of rental. So, unless you're renting month to month, the landlord's locked in during your lease term, and he or she will have to eat the extra heating cost if prices go way up - at least for one season.
"Plus the cost of wood ain't cheap either. So, you argument falls apart on so many levels."
Well, if I had said "burning wood is the only alternative", you might have a case. But I didn't, so you don't.
I think what happened in California is that Enron screwed people at the wholesale level, but that wouldn't directly affect consumer prices unless the PUC approved a rate increase to cover losses the utilities might have lost.
Anonymous
You're wrong.
What happened in California is the entire legislature-- Dems and Repugs alike-- bought into deregulation, which in essence took the PUC out of regulating consumer prices.
In all seriousness, the guy who started this ball rolling was the guy who wrote the movie, "The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes." A San Diego assemblyman by the name of Steve Peace.
SHG--I have some lovely double Gloucester I'm willing to add, and we have some Reposado and Australian chardonnay as well.
Eli, what's on Scifi right now?
there was some quote by one of the enron guys--something like "screw the grandmas".
Yep - they're total bastards.
That's why I have little sympathy for people who leave themselves vulnerable to being controlled by the likes of them.
Eli, what's on Scifi right now?
Storm Of The Century. Feh.
Moe Szyzlak--whoever wrote that the Enron debacle didn't impact prices in CA clearly doesn't fucking live here.
Laura Flanders is broadcasting live from DC.
Yep - they're total bastards.
That's why I have little sympathy for people who leave themselves vulnerable to being controlled by the likes of them.
DAMN those stupid victims for putting themselves in harm's way!
That's why I have little sympathy for people who leave themselves vulnerable to being controlled by the likes of them.
Do me a favor, kill yourself now. It's really the best thing for the likes of you.
there was some quote by one of the enron guys--something like "screw the grandmas".
Yep - they're total bastards.
That's why I have little sympathy for people who leave themselves vulnerable to being controlled by the likes of them.
Anonymous
What kind of fucking sociopath are you to make a comment like that? Blaming those that got screwed? Everyone in CA is a sucker?
Look at Schwarzenegger's poll numbers and tell me people haven't bought a fucking clue.
Most apartments include heat as part of the cost of rental.
Wrong again.
I've lived in: Virginia, Alaska, California, Oregon, Minnesota, Arkansas, and now in Nova Scotia. Of all those places, only Minnesota required that landlorsd provide heat.
"If you choose to live 26 miles from work"
This classical econobullshit again: virtually in our economy is chosen, but for purposes of this filthy religion masquerading as a science, EVERYTHING has to be thought of as a totally voluntary choice the chooser can opt out of at any time. The first thing our best economics prof did was use a severe example of a third world sweat shop with less than a dollar an hour wages, groping and or rape on the line and no benefits, to smash this canard of choice (Clearly, these Mexican women are choosing to be raped or murdered, etc): then he fell ill and got replaced by a Business School retard who talked more about Conan O'Brien's career than about useful economic applications and whose one virtue was a degree of honesty when it came to Laffer.
That's why I have little sympathy for people who leave themselves vulnerable to being controlled by the likes of them.
He says as he furiously pedals the stationary bike linked to the generator that powers his computer.
Fresh post and Billmon. Very distressing, although not surprising if you read yesterday's cri de cour.
The man is hurting, as we all should be, I guess...
SteveLG
In a word...wow.
I just read that whole thing. Really, really on the spot.
I guess i'ts back to alcohol and Joy Division for me.
Thanks a lot, fucking defenders of the administration.
and what exactly could the grandmas do to not leave themselves vulnerable?
i mean it seems obvious that the problem was deregulation, so why go through contortions to avoid admitting this.
You're wrong.
What happened in California is the entire legislature-- Dems and Repugs alike-- bought into deregulation, which in essence took the PUC out of regulating consumer prices.
http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/static/en...riffs/
index.htm
Enron screwed the utilities, not end-consumers.
Diane--not even close, sister. I think every age range was represented.
Most people don't heat their homes with oil (it's mostly on the East Coast),
Well, every single house in Nova Scotia is heated with home heating oil. The province actually produces natural gas, but it isn't much available here. They put a pipeline down my street last week, I called and asked for a connection, they said it would be ready in two years.
So, not completely wrong, but mostly wrong again.
Anonymous--do you fucking live in CA?
If you don't, shut the fuck up. Believe me, it had plenty of impact at the retail level.
Krugman researched this in detail.
this is just talking points bs, anonymous.
So, not completely wrong
Hooray!
Hey!
Who stole the Pretzeldent's cojones?
Wingnut Kristol sez it wuz Pickles.
I say, like the "WMD's", they never really existed at all.
Why all of you are even arguing with this waste of oxygen is beyond me.
"Isn't it curious how the Bush apologists are always named Anonymous?"
Not me, I'm a staunch supporter of the man.
Blak--you're right.
How's my man Dudley?
Anonymous, kinda hard to burn wood in an apartment complex that doesn't have a fireplace.
they will be checking for 'sterno' at the door
Great, another one who would be better off as wormfood.
I'll be back when the stench dies down.
Most places I've rented, I paid all the utility bills.
I'm a staunch supporter of the man.
What a coincidence!
I'm a supporter of staunching him.
What kind of fucking sociopath are you to make a comment like that? Blaming those that got screwed? Everyone in CA is a sucker?
Calling the guys at Enron "bastards" is "sociopathic"? And to think people should take responsibility for their lives to the extent they can is wrong?
You and I live in different realities.
Dudley is hiding out somewhere in the house.
This will totally get lost in the shuffle....but....
Duncan is a hypocrite.
Talking aginst the Bushies, and against the war is really cheap entertainment.
But, Duncan my friend. Where are you on actually, like, doing something?
There was a major anti-war protest in Washington today. Did you have anything to say? I didn't see a word.
So, are you really any different than the DLC, whom you criticize with frequency?
Take a stand of some kind for god's sake.....
Mike
ou're wrong.
What happened in California is the entire legislature-- Dems and Repugs alike-- bought into deregulation, which in essence took the PUC out of regulating consumer prices.
http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/static/en...tic/en...riffs/
index.htm
Enron screwed the utilities, not end-consumers.
Total bullshit. Google FERC case EL00-95 and figure out why the name of the case is SDG&E v. Sellers of Energy and Ancillary Services.
Once Enron bankrupted PG&E and drove Edison to the brink, the State of California, via CERS, a division of CDWR, began buying power to servie California's consumers. This was in early 2001. Californians will be paying off the bonds that funded this and paying above market for the contracts entered into at that time far into the future.
http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/static/en...riffs/ index.htm
Enron screwed the utilities, not end-consumers.
Anonymous
Dude,
your link doesn't prove a thing.
For sure, PG&E declared bankruptcy, after protecting all its money-making assets. But the situation was set up to screw the consumer, who doesn't have the luxury.
Sallyh, sounds wonderful. What manner of Reposado? I have been drinking a wonderful thing called Sotol lately that is made from wild agave. Good. Very good.
Unfortunately, my lawyer (who also owns my favorite liquor store) is closing his doors in October...going to be hard to find good stuff without going to Austin. My mother lives in California, when I was there in June I was amazed at how much cheaper libations were. Texas taxes the shit out of anything fun.
Then, google a case from fall 2004 called Lockyer v. FERC and read what the court had to say about your dumb idea that Enron didnt hurt consumers.
Wonderful, now we have an asswipe "concern" troll in the house.
Terrific, a concern troll.
God, can't you guys just masturbate, like other frustrated little jerks do?
dedominator,
Love your gravatar.
Dartanyon | Email | Homepage | 09.24.05 - 6:26 pm | #
Muchas gracias, Dartanyon.
DAMN those stupid victims for putting themselves in harm's way!
That's about right.
It's not the world's responsibility to give people a clue. If you don't want to be controlled, don't let yourself be controlled. Otherwise, don't whine when people exploit your dependence.
Or don't you think people should take responsibility for their lives and understand the environments they live in?
Hecate, thanks for the case links.
Most places I've rented, I paid all the utility bills.
same here. it is my experience that the places that pay all utilities, are also, the ones with the most crime.
do i say something to ward of quibbling?
something. there.
if you live in china and work in the etch-a-sketch factory for 18 cents a day breathing graphite fillings it's
YOUR FAULT
you're not the Ambassador to Guam.
AND
I will not accept any bleeding heart liberal arguments to the contrary
SHG--this is 1800, it's pretty tasty.
Just because asswipe "concern" trolls don't have a life, they figure Atrios should willingly suffer the same lack of life.
God, can't you guys just masturbate, like other frustrated little jerks do?
heh. frustrated little jerks.
if you live in china and work in the etch-a-sketch factory for 18 cents a day breathing graphite fillings it's
YOUR FAULT
you're not the Ambassador to Guam.
AND
I will not accept any bleeding heart liberal arguments to the contrary
everything bad that happens is your fault.
unless you're better than anyone else. which makes you superduper cool!
Such quaint, unadulterated, unAmerican fascism coming from our trolls. It's a really bad sign for the GOP if all they can muster is these pathetic morons. Any rational Republican would be seriously embarrassed by these fools. But then again, it's hard to find rational Republicans any more.
well, here's an 'official' estimate for the crowd in DC from the STrib
Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, noting that organizers had hoped to draw 100,000 people, said, "I think they probably hit that.''
Once Enron bankrupted PG&E and drove Edison to the brink, the State of California, via CERS, a division of CDWR, began buying power to servie California's consumers. This was in early 2001. Californians will be paying off the bonds that funded this and paying above market for the contracts entered into at that time far into the future.
And if you would take two seconds and pay attention to what I said:
"but that wouldn't directly affect consumer prices unless the PUC approved a rate increase to cover losses the utilities might have lost."
So, if the state pays off the losses and taxes increase as a result, it's the same kind of secondary effect I was referring to. But it doesn't mean that Enron could directly move end-consumer electric rates -- those are regulated.
Capice?
if you are an Iraqui citizen and your child has been captured and tortured by the American army
IT'S YOUR FAULT
you are not of Armenian descent and own a KFC franchise in Bakersfield.
AND
I will not accept any liberal bleeding heart arguments to the contrary
the law against sleeping under bridges applies equally to the rich man and the tramp---what could be fairer. same old argument.
At EschaCon, did anyone walk up behind Atrios, yell "Hey Duncan!" and start berating him about nothing in particular?
.
What's in a name? That which we call a thread by any other name would smell as sweet.
i call it "rope."
nah, still smells like poo.
People who don't want to live in an inter-dependent society should go live in the fucking wilderness and stop demanding that others share their sick delusions.
Milton Friedman rerun on bookspan. Boy is he whacked. He just said that things were better for Americans when he graduated from hs in 1928. Too bad he is not being interviewed by Rosa Parks.
Wrong again.
I've lived in: Virginia, Alaska, California, Oregon, Minnesota, Arkansas, and now in Nova Scotia. Of all those places, only Minnesota required that landlorsd provide heat.
Your anecdotal experience doesn't necessaruly correlate with generalized reality.
Or can't you make that distinction?
woops, I pasted my e-mail into the wrong box, which explains why my gravitar didn't show up
good thing I don't use that e-mail addy
probably gonna be a bunch more spam there
"but that wouldn't directly affect consumer prices unless the PUC approved a rate increase to cover losses the utilities might have lost."
Why is the case called SDG&E v. Sellers of Energy and Ancillary Services? Until you figure that out and why it shows how stupid you are, please shut the fuck up about a topic about which you know nothing.
SHG--this is 1800, it's pretty tasty.
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 09.24.05 - 7:25 pm | #
Me likes the 1800. If you can find it give Sotol a try. If you drink vodka, to to JT's and pick up some of Tito's Handmade...that's loverly too.
Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, noting that organizers had hoped to draw 100,000 people, said, "I think they probably hit that.''
police estimates should generally be multiplied by 3 for 'anti govt' rallies and deducted by 50% for 'pro govt' rallies
In a word...wow.
I second that word: if you haven't, please take a minute to read Billmon's post..
I too have conflicting feelings about withfrawal from Iraq--damned if we do; damned if we don't.
It seems, though, that We the People, striving for a more perfect Union, will be more damned if we don't.
My deepest dread is that we've already passed an event horizon where government of the people, by the people, and for the people, has an expiration date.
By the year I'm at the age that my Father died at, 2026, will this country will be in deep depression, with martial law a matter of routine?
I am deeply, almost paralyzingly frightened of the future.
Someone please start punning before I begin to weep or punch holes in the wall.
At EschaCon, did anyone walk up behind Atrios, yell "Hey Duncan!" and start berating him about nothing in particular?
Um, no... no, of course not. Why do you ask? Who have you talked to?
*looks around nervously*
It's not the world's responsibility to give people a clue. If you don't want to be controlled, don't let yourself be controlled. Otherwise, don't whine when people exploit your dependence.
Earl in (I'm guessing) Toronto beat me to it with this:
if you live in china and work in the etch-a-sketch factory for 18 cents a day breathing graphite fillings it's
YOUR FAULT
you're not the Ambassador to Guam.
So, what else?
Let's start a list. If you don't want to be controlled, don't let yourself be controlled. Otherwise, don't whine when people exploit your dependenc, you:
-Iraqi people being controlled by the insurgents-- stop whining!
-Afghani women being controlled by the Taliban, stop whining! (oh, wait a minute....)
- Christian minority in Sudan being slaughtered by the Muslim majority-- stop whining!
Please add to the list....
He says as he furiously pedals the stationary bike linked to the generator that powers his computer.
Omnes Omnibus
I heard there was a concern troll around and I came running.
Where's he yat? Let me at'im.
I've never seen one in person.
and what exactly could the grandmas do to not leave themselves vulnerable?
Have solar panels installed on their roofs. Buy a small windmill. Install compact fluorescents.
There's a ton of things to reduce consumption and change the source of your power. That people don't avail themselves of alternatives is their choice.
it's a marigold that i got to drive around today, just after a big fucking hurricane hit.
(how's that for punning? or is it just quasi-homonymous?)
faith based economics. cant reason with them.
God, can't you guys just masturbate, like other frustrated little jerks do?
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome robbed me of my love life.
There...I feel better now.
If you don't, shut the fuck up. Believe me, it had plenty of impact at the retail level.
Not directly, it didn't. You can huff and puff all you want, but Enron didn't manipulate consumer electricity rates directly.
(how's that for punning? or is it just quasi-homonymous?)
Yew some kind of homophone?
it's hard to find rational Republicans any more.
All the rational Republicans jumped ship awhile back.
aw fuck, someone's going to berate me for using gas. whatever.
Or don't you think people should take responsibility for their lives and understand the environments they live in?
Environments in which they live?
In what environment do you live?
How dare you judge others?
Yew some kind of homophone?
You called?
God, I hate these Randian fucknozzles.
Have solar panels installed on their roofs. Buy a small windmill. Install compact fluorescents.
There's a ton of things to reduce consumption and change the source of your power. That people don't avail themselves of alternatives is their choice
enron chose to game the system. so they should pay all the grandmas that lost as a result of enron violating its contract. right? personal responbility.
Yew some kind of homophone?
hahhaha! willow will i not reply in kind?
People who don't want to live in an inter-dependent society should go live in the fucking wilderness and stop demanding that others share their sick delusions.
I'm planning to do that but you don't have to make me feel so bad about it. Geez...
I hate it when people let themselves be controlled by fascistic governments. I mean if they didn't like it, they should just overthrow.
Those weaklings in Cambodia during Pol Pot just let themselves be put into the killing fields. If they had a bit of backbone, they'd have done something about it.
And people who are starving in Africa where there's no food. They oughta just go where the food is.
police estimates should generally be multiplied by 3 for 'anti govt' rallies and deducted by 50% for 'pro govt' rallies
earl in | 09.24.05 - 7:29 pm | #
I kinda figured as much. That 250,000 figure given upthread looks to be closer to the truth.
your dumb idea that Enron didnt hurt consumers.
It's easy to knock down strawmen. I didn't say their actions didn't hurt consumers in the end. I've clarified that for you after your original comment to me, so to continue to misrepresent what I said is dishonest.
I said they didn't manipulate consumer electricity rates directly.
This one's read too much Ayn Rand. I'm through feeding it.
I'm seeing estimates of 250,000 to 300,000 in D.C. today. Sallyh and Diane, good on you for going in LA. I was far from the oldest one marching in DC!
There is no damned if we do, damned if we don't. Why? Because we are already damned?
How dare you judge others?
Why, upset that someone's encroaching on your territory, judge?
and the numbers in DC would also explain why the Resident chose to be elsewhere to keep an eye on Rita, eh?
said they didn't manipulate consumer electricity rates directly
Which is factually wrong. Google the case yet?
police estimates should generally be multiplied by 3 for 'anti govt' rallies and deducted by 50% for 'pro govt' rallies
earl in
I would just like to say I find this an irritating 'know it all' sort of post.
Oh yeah, and that Enron thing was a victimless crime.
Boy, we get the real wingnuts here, don't we?
enron was the proximate cause of consumers getting gouged on electricity prices. so enron, being a good corporate citizen, and being responsible, should pay. correct? the stockholders that bought enron stock assumed this risk.
on billmon's post.
morally i think it is wrong to abandon iraq. but the course we are on now is a course of continuing death and destruction. this is why i voted for the first time in 25 years of eligibility. it was very important to me that john kerry, or any other canidate win.
their are a billion + "muslims", or "islamofascists" if you prefer. can't kill 'em all. or maybe you can, and the soul of a nation along with them.
this nation is on a sad trek towards death, and iraq is the reason why.
have i mentioned gw. is a moral fuckwit. iraq is the reason why.
and the numbers in DC would also explain why the Resident chose to be elsewhere to keep an eye on Rita, eh?
so did he show up in texas? i mean stay in texas? i mean, what the fuck did he do the past couple of days? is he in LA, where most of the storm hit?
Why, upset that someone's encroaching on your territory, judge?
Anonymous
Isn't it about time to pump your stomach, jismjaw?
Have solar panels installed on their roofs. Buy a small windmill.
Have you ever priced solar/invertor systems? I have. I don't think a lot of Social Security grannies are going to rush out for solar systems.
Windmills? Not practical for city living. Also not cheap, although you can build one yourself. Not easy for a grannie.
I can see the point you're trying to make but not everyone has the capacity to become totally independent. I'm planning to move to a cabin in the mountains but I'll still have some ties to society.
I get the feeling you're not very familiar with family farming lifestyles. No offense intended.
"I've clarified that for you after your original comment to me, so to continue to misrepresent what I said is dishonest."
[Slept through freshman composition.]
Hey, anonymous? What have you actually said here that's relevant, accurate, practical, and non-judgmental, dearie?
As far as rally attendance goes, I always take what the police say and what ANSWER says and split the difference.
Cool, my new gravatar showed up today.
Right now I am drinking something called Chocolate/Cherry Kijafa.
Over Diet Pepsi.
On ice!
I loves me some chocolate spirits.
personally, i think a gerbil powered windmill would solve most of society's energy needs.
Hecate--those of us in CA who pay for electricity (all of us) do realize, whether we know the specifics of the cases or not, that there was a direct and strongly felt impact on consumers.
so did he show up in texas? i mean stay in texas? i mean, what the fuck did he do the past couple of days? is he in LA, where most of the storm hit?
seaxneat (fka PoppieProng)
I saw him going somewhere, his shirt drenched with flop-sweat. He smelt of fear.
Well, this is lovely:
If you want to see the true face of war, go to the amateur porn Web site NowThatsFuckedUp.com. For almost a year, American soldiers stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan have been taking photographs of dead bodies, many of them horribly mutilated or blown to pieces, and sending them to Web site administrator Chris Wilson. In return for letting him post these images, Wilson gives the soldiers free access to his site. American soldiers have been using the pictures of disfigured Iraqi corpses as currency to buy pornography.
At Wilson's Web site, you can see an Arab man's face sliced off and placed in a bowl filled with blood. Another man's head, his face crusted with dried blood and powder burns, lies on a bed of gravel. A man in a leather coat who apparently tried to run a military checkpoint lies slumped in the driver's seat of a car, his head obliterated by gunfire, the flaps of skin from his neck blooming open like rose petals. Six men in beige fatigues, identified as US Marines, laugh and smile for the camera while pointing at a burned, charcoal-black corpse lying at their feet.
The captions that accompany these images, which were apparently written by the soldiers who posted them, laugh and gloat over the bodies. The soldier who posted a picture of a corpse lying in a pool of his own brains and entrails wrote, "What every Iraqi should look like." The photograph of a corpse whose jaw has apparently rotted away, leaving a gaping set of upper teeth, bears the caption "bad day for this dude." One soldier posted three photographs of corpses lying in the street and titled his collection "DIE HAJI DIE." The soldiers take pride, even joy, in displaying the dead. "
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Hearts and minds, people...hearts and minds.
Well, every single house in Nova Scotia is heated with home heating oil.
You have an incredible ability to read something and not understand it. I said that oil heating is most prevalent on the East Coast. Last I checked, Nova Scotia is on the East Coast. And you sound ridiculous claiming "every single house" in the province is heated with oil. You have no way of making that claim.
New Open Thread, please.
Terry C,
That sounds good for some insane reason.
speaking of windmills, our brave weather-jockies were in kemah during last night's blowthrough: they expressed wonderment that the ferris wheel down there would spin freely in a strong wind.
have they never seen a bicycle?
Stick this idiot in a gerbil wheel generator, poke him with a cattle prod every once in a while and presto, instant power!
personally, i think a gerbil powered windmill would solve most of society's energy needs.
Hmmm...just how much energy is generated at gyms and "wellness centers," as folks desperately work out on their high-tech hamster wheels?
speaking of windmills, our brave weather-jockies were in kemah during last night's blowthrough: they expressed wonderment that the ferris wheel down there would spin freely in a strong wind.
If a ferris wheel spins, and there are no carnies to see it...
personally, i think a gerbil powered windmill would solve most of society's energy needs.
Gerbils don't really have the lung capacity to run a windmill. Well, maybe a little tiny one that powers a digital watch. But who wants to carry all that around with them?
Most of all, White House aides want to reestablish Bush's swagger -- the projection of competence and confidence in the White House that has carried the administration through tough times since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
If I never see that swagger again, it's going to be too soon.
Hey, anonymous? What have you actually said here that's relevant, accurate, practical, and non-judgmental, dearie?
pie
pie, my dear -
Anonypuss is a haughty little bitch that thinks it is up to trading insults with the Atriots.
It's got nothing.
We have determined that it is employed in the Little Boots Review as a fluffer for Scotty McClellan.
It is our understanding that Scotty refers to it as "Silly Rabbit".
they expressed wonderment that the ferris wheel down there would spin freely in a strong wind.
Egad....
I saw him going somewhere, his shirt drenched with flop-sweat. He smelt of fear.
it was odd listening to him talk after listening to judge eckels and mayor white all weekend. he really doesn't inspire confidence.
Hearts and minds, people...hearts and minds.
Nim
My Lai Redux
Makes ya real proud to be a MURKA, huh?
Oh god. Against my better judgment, I went to the link in my post with the war porn...it's even worse than they desribe.
It's some of the most horrifying shit you can imagine. You don't have to go to the site to confirm the story, it's true =(
Hey, anon. (sigh, uggh., bite me) You saying I read things and don't understand them? Well, maybe. But, really now, what you've demonstrated is the ability to look at the entire world, parse it through an ideological lens, understanding every bit of it through those terms, and understanding nothing at all.
you have to develop the gerbils into little aerobic machines through interval training. sure it takes time, but thats your choice as a consumer.
Why is the case called SDG&E v. Sellers of Energy and Ancillary Services?
Because the utility, SDG&E, is the plaintiff in a case and "Sellers of Ancillary Services" is the defendant.
Until you figure that out and why it shows how stupid you are, please shut the fuck up about a topic about which you know nothing.
Your belief that your bluster and profanity will somehow cause me to cede reason and facts to you is sadly misguided..
Most of all, White House aides want to reestablish Bush's swagger
That swagger done gone.
they expressed wonderment that the ferris wheel down there would spin freely in a strong wind.
Egad....
they also were astounded by the waves!
"you can see a swell out there and you can watch it come all the way in, and you know exactly when it will hit the boardwalk! it's amazing!"
and i am not exaggerating.
Bought a button today that said, "Give the pretzel another chance."
personally, i think a gerbil powered windmill would solve most of society's energy needs.
Yes! I have had gerbils generate a tremendous amount of energy when running inside my rectum. Can we call the company Endron?
Moe--Anon was saying that he and I lived in different realities. Too bad he developed his on the Simms.
Oh god. Against my better judgment, I went to the link in my post with the war porn...it's even worse than they desribe.
It's some of the most horrifying shit you can imagine. You don't have to go to the site to confirm the story, it's true =(
Nim
Oh, what society is going to have to deal with when those sociopaths come home!
"the answer will be "yes." this is one of those framing the issue moments- do you really believe there is still a 'moderate undecided middle' so great in this country as to swing the balance? i'm sorry, i don't."
I disagree. The vast majority are the people who weren't present today. The vast number of Americans who aren't super partisans...those minds are made up already. But let's say the opportunity exists to change another 10%. You think that's trivial- so trivial you can afford to have them walk away from mumia loons or anti-zionist stuff?
If so, that's cool, but I'd say that the goal has now been subsumed by your need to be *right* rather then any attempt to persuade.
Nim,
It's got to be against some treaty to do what those soldiers have done.
you have to develop the gerbils into little aerobic machines through interval training. sure it takes time, but thats your choice as a consumer.
What we need are Super Gerbils! Yes, I think we're on to something here, folks. Quick! To the ... umm.. place where we go to.. come up with cool ideas!! Away!
Please add to the list....
You're comparing the US to poor, totalitarian societies?
That's pretty desperate to try that one.
It is our understanding that Scotty refers to it as "Silly Rabbit".
Scotty refers to it as...
Oh, my.
Anon apparently is unaware that Hecate is an attorney who is intimately acquainted with regulatory issues...
Bought a button today that said, "Give the pretzel another chance."
Hecate
my favorite, though, was the guy in beaumont who was doing the whole, walking against the wind, walking backward "because it's so hard to go forward!"
in the background, is a guy just trudging along.
You're comparing the US to poor, totalitarian societies?
It's getting there.
Give Bush time!
We want to draw people to unite with that issue, right? So why potentially push them away with other stuff?
jdw - 6:54 pm
I return from a break to find that cd and others have already responded to this point.
But it occurred to me also that jdw's point cuts both ways. Sure, you can parse it from the POV of the guys who show up in good faith and with good will, and end up becoming disaffected by icky collateral off-message hi-jinks.
If you parse the problem that way, the obvious solution is to "clean up" the presentation to woo the attracted.
But if you flip it around, it's equally reasonable to wonder just how strongly committed these antiwar wannabes are. If you're hungry, it's not going to bother you so much that the crusts haven't been cut off.
I have exactly zero personal experience with grass-roots political activity. And even my ignorant ass knows that the single-issue focus jdw argues for doesn't ring true in practice.
If you have a plurality of groups with a common denominator of being anti-war, and those groups are merged in a public arena requiring public speech, it seems inevitable that the group is going to use its moment in the pulpit to explain what it is, what it feels, what it hopes, and its basis for solidarity and affirmation of the general cause.
Hard to envision a narrow, focused, simpler alternative. Would speakers step forward like Soup Nazi patrons and simply provide name, rank, and serial number and an anti-war slogan? "We are such-and-such, and are against the war! That's all you have to know today! Please come and see us at some suitable public forum if you want to know who we are and where we fit it!"
Or is it primarily a matter of being more exclusive, and only allowing in individuals or groups that are "purely" anti-war without distracting ancillary agendas? Nothing too challenging or far-out? Politely discourage interested parties who are only marginally relevant or insufficiently "off-message"?
Ah, I long for the good old days, when the crowd was so intent on being welcoming and polite that it applauded Ravi Shankar and his musicians at the Concert for Bangladesh just for tuning up.
It's got to be against some treaty to do what those soldiers have done.
I guess we can expect those pics from the Pentagon now. What was it, July, when they were supposed to be released?
Can we call the company Endron?
True story. Enron was originally to be named Enteron. Which turned out to be the name for some part of the lower GI track. It was quickly changed to Enron.
BTW, Moe, what're we drinking tonight?
Anonymous
well since every one is entertaining this fool. my evaluation is, marginally brighter than the others with equally stupid arguments.
leave it alone.
Nim,
It's got to be against some treaty to do what those soldiers have done.
Hecate
We don't gotta obey no treaty.
We're the EWE-nited States of MURKA and everyone must blow before us!
Dear Leader's thought for the day is about the rumors of him drinking again... click on homepage.
enron chose to game the system. so they should pay all the grandmas that lost as a result of enron violating its contract. right? personal responbility.
It's all being worked out in the courts, right?
Grandmas elect the legislators who are supposed to be there to manage these things. If they don't manage it well, then the grandmas can vote for other people.
And if they don't want to be vulnerable to manipulation by depending on the electric grid, there's plenty of options - ESPECIALLY in California.
That's what democracy and capitalism are all about - making choices and living with the consequences of those choices.
Can we call the company Endron?
bebe rebozo | Email | 09.24.05 - 7:47 pm | #
heh.
It's got to be against some treaty to do what those soldiers have done.
But let's put the ten commandments in the court rooms.
It's got to be against some treaty to do what those soldiers have done.
well, if they don't wear a uniform, they aren't part of a military, and thus the geneva convention doesn't apply! (by fiat)
and neither do the political offense provisions, or most extradition treaties and other treaties with extradite or prosecute clauses, apply. (by the terms)
It's got to be against some treaty to do what those soldiers have done.
But let's put the ten commandments in the court rooms.
anti-zionist stuff?
JDW, what the hell are these supposed non-partisans doing buying into zionist stuff?
In case you didn't pick up on it,
ZIONISM IS THE "GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR"
Oh god. Against my better judgment, I went to the link in my post with the war porn...it's even worse than they desribe.
Nim
Hey, do you suppose this is the pornography AG Gonzales is going after?
I suspect not.
(Blatant blogwhore)
Hey, Not to fault Bilmon-- I in the end agree with him-- but we don't need the porn thing to argue for immediate withdrawal. I found this on commond dreams, which pretty much says what I've been thinking from the get-go....
Anon apparently is unaware that Hecate is an attorney who is intimately acquainted with regulatory issues...
Appeal to authority doesn't make a specific argument more or less valid. I hope you know that.
"We don't gotta obey no treaty.
We're the EWE-nited States of MURKA and everyone must bow before us!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat | Email | 09.24.05 - 7:50 pm | # "
What's sad is this is even't satire. It's our actual foreign policy now.
Although the light is a bit funky, over a year ago I bought those low watt compact fluorescents for my retired parents - something like 13 watts gives as much light as a 60 watt incandescent. They have noticed a drop in the electric bill over that time. At Costco it's something like $13 for an 8 pack, way cheaper than other stores.
Next year I shall divert a river to run through their yard so I can install a small hydroelectric generator. You know, high energy prices begin at home.
Charley--quite honestly, I'm here to drink and liveblog in about an hour.
Hey grandmas who froze to death in the Sierra: don't worry! It will all work out! The courts will settle this in your favor....
And if they don't want to be vulnerable to manipulation by depending on the electric grid, there's plenty of options - ESPECIALLY in California.
Again, factually wrong.
aygh. i fucked up the last post. blame it on not being able to see the keyboard. what? is it a sin to not have the whole touch-tyoing thing down by now?
Which is factually wrong. Google the case yet?
Here's a suggestion. Try posting the salient facts to support your argument instead of saying "Go Google this" while sixteen people are bitching at me simultaneously.
Think you can handle that?
grytpype
Appeal to authority??? It's Teddy Smith!!!
School us dimwits in formal logic some mores, college-boy.
Quick! To the ... umm.. place where we go to.. come up with cool ideas!! Away!
To the Patentcave!
Diane--someone should give Gonzales a subscription to Playboy. Might end this nonsense.
"We don't gotta obey no treaty.
We're the EWE-nited States of MURKA and everyone must bow before us!
Terry C, Feminazi Moonbat"
What's sad is this is even't satire. It's our actual foreign policy now.
Nim
Exactly! What's why I said it!
Your belief that your bluster and profanity will somehow cause me to cede reason and facts to you is sadly misguided..
aNonypuss is a legend in its own mind.
Fighting the Atriots with all its haughtiness.
It was taught that it was a superior individual by its mommy and it does not intend to yield to anyone.
Even tho its delusions of grandeur have led it to the halls of power.
As the personal servant of none other than Scotty McClellan.
It can elicit a boner from Scotty's 3 inch gherkin in 3.2 nanoseconds.
Here's a suggestion. Try posting the salient facts to support your argument instead of saying "Go Google this" while sixteen people are bitching at me simultaneously.
Here's a suggestion. Don't make up facts and talk out of your ass to people who know what the facts are.
I'm here to drink and liveblog in about an hour.
Sallyh
Sallh-- why, if I wasn't married...
I was watching TV (against my better judgement) with Mrs. DWD and they had an advertisement for an exploitation film about Martha Stewart. My thought was, and continues to be, WHY ISN'T KEY LAY and his lackeys in prison? Not a big Stewart fan, but her crime seems minor compared to these cretins.
and those villagers long ago who allowed the Vikings to rape and pillage them-------why didn't they just choose something else to be unhappy about?
Moe--(blush)
Yo, waste-of-space douchebag, it's up to you to prove that your fevered delusions have some basis in reality. You're in our house, chief.
Moe--any Propeller ale on hand?
Have you ever priced solar/invertor systems? I have. I don't think a lot of Social Security grannies are going to rush out for solar systems.
Windmills? Not practical for city living. Also not cheap, although you can build one yourself. Not easy for a grannie.
Did I somehow say that life is a box of chocolates and that everything is easy? No. I said that people have choices, and if they choose not to avial themselves of those choices and leave themselves at risk to this or that, then that's pretty much what karma is all about.
If one doesn't like being manipulated by oil prices, one can do something about it. Same goes for electricity and natural gas prices. Is it easy? Of course not. But that's the way it is.
It all depends on what value you place on specific things. It's just silly for people to whine about being "helpless" when they're not.
Sallyh - so what's this about 'that's just about what I'd pictured Barndog like' comment from last nite?
I'm like all discombobulated and stuff.
OK Mr. Vice Presi...err I mean Mr. Patterson, put your laptop away and I'll give you some more happy drugs that you can share with your roomate Georgie.
WHY ISN'T KEY LAY and his lackeys in prison?
DWD,
Excellent question. Lay and Skilling are now set to stand trila in January. Sure did take DOJ a long time, huh?
Love your new gravatar. Hope you're feeling better.
and those villagers long ago who allowed the Vikings to rape and pillage them-------why didn't they just choose something else to be unhappy about?
No one can stop the berzerkers. Our mighty Norsk blood is filled with rage and hope. err.. mostly rage...
Blak -
Anonypuss has no take. No game.
It seems to think it is superior because mommy and Scotty tell it so.
A very sad thing it is.
but corporations make choices without having to deal with the full consequences of those choices. they have limited liability. but if you want people to deal with the consequences of their choices, then every institutional investor that owned enron stock should pay off the consumers in california, without regard to the actual value of the shares. responsibility--what capitalism and democracy are all about.
"...insufficiently on-message..."
Next year I shall divert a river to run through their yard so I can install a small hydroelectric generator. You know, high energy prices begin at home.
JeffCO
ha.
Thanks Hecate, I am doing a little better but sleeping 15 hours a day ain't gonna make it. (My hope and fear is that I am not burned out on inner city school teaching. Been stressed out this year: No child left behind is making my job untenable)
Diane--someone should give Gonzales a subscription to Playboy. Might end this nonsense.
Sallyh
I just discovered that water is easier to clean off the monitor than iced tea.
speaking of beer, i am going to see if there are any free-market convenience stores open because it's my fucking fault a hurricane came and made everyone but us smart ones evacuate.
"...and understanding nothing at all."
And another debate concludes with a personal insult.
Thanks for playing.
So how do you get the picture icon at the right???
Barndog--Monkeyfister posted pics of you, and you look like what I'd imagined. You can take the uniform off the Marine, but it's still a Marine, even in tie-dye.
yes people that buy stock are making choices, and they shouldnt be shielded from full liabilty just because they bought stock in a corporation.
What unAmerican liars like our nony troll here always pretend is that we live in a society with a level playing field, one in which there is no discrimination or corporate malfeasance, one in which all consumers are well-informed as to the facts so they are able to make rational decisions about their own well-being, where real costs are public knowledge, where politicians represent their constituencies rather than their corporate sponsors.
And one in which corporations actually function according to free-market capitalist principles instead of massive government welfare projects, rigged regulations, tax favors that would land an ordinary citizen in jail, and relatively tiny risk of negative consequences for policies that hurt the populace. But you know, in nony troll's fantasy world, I'm sure it all looks good on paper.
Does anyone else have the sense that Anon is roughly as concerned about energy conservation as Gordon is about rape and women's rights?
Our mighty Norsk blood is filled with rage and hope. err.. mostly rage...
And vodka. Actually, more vodka that hope or rage.
I think our mighty ancestors started out attacking English monasteries. It was the monk's fault. If they didn't want to get attacked, they shouldn't have had all that gold.
With the trolls, again . . . I just don't get it.
I thought all the speeches at today's rally were terrific. Like my friend Bob says:
I ain't lookin' for you to feel like me,
See like me or be like me . . .
I don't think we have to agree with every speaker, or even know if we do or not. Listening to what they had to say taught me a lot . . .
Although the light is a bit funky, over a year ago I bought those low watt compact fluorescents for my retired parents - something like 13 watts gives as much light as a 60 watt incandescent.
We replaced our torches with them. Although it isn't as traditional as firelight, we think our decision to forgoe bathing will offset any complainst from the pro-heritage people.
And vodka. Actually, more vodka that hope or rage.
I'll come in again.
Oh, what a thrill!
Tony Blankney on C-Span.
Whoopty shit!
Again, factually wrong.
You're a peach.
You're now claiming there aren't alternative energy and efficiency options in the state of California?
You're unbelievably misinformed.
And another debate concludes with a personal insult.
Thanks for playing.
Anonymous
Time to pump the stomach there, anonypuss?
Diane--someone should give Gonzales a subscription to Playboy. Might end this nonsense.
The FBI was doing this 'research" as things were going bad for Nixon.
The Meese Comission released released their specious report in 1986, and then came Iran/Contra and souring numbers for Reagan.
Is adult porn a bellwether?
Is an administration that turns, yet again to taking notes on images of people copulating, an administration about to fall?
On the other hand (no pun intended), if life begins at conception, aren't images of men and women copulating are graphic celebration of the Miracle of Creation?
Oh, what society is going to have to deal with when those sociopaths come home!
more evidence, and unintended consequence of gw's moral fuckwitedness.
I think our mighty ancestors started out attacking English monasteries. It was the monk's fault. If they didn't want to get attacked, they shouldn't have had all that gold.
It was those damned robes. They should have known how robes enrage us. I mean, they're monks! They study things! I hope they're happy now...
Unfortunately, if we were to withdraw completely from Iraq today, there probably would be a lot of death, maybe a civil war.
If we stay, we might delay the inevitable by a couple of years.
Is it too late to ask the U.N. for help on this one? I think it's fitting to make George Bush address the U.N., apologize, ask for forgiveness, then ask for help. For that and immediate resignation, we let him off with 25 years probation and 5 years community service. Wait, skip the community service part.
You're here to be our punching bag, not to be "debated".
You are, of course, choosing to be the punching bag...
sallyh-- I went by the bar tonight, just long enough to get riled up, which explains my agitation with our no-name guest. Was drinking Keith's, cuz that's all they have on tap... I've got a couple of Props downstairs, though, and must now go take care of those. I'm outta here, please knock the trolls around a bit in my absence....
The 6th year of any 2 term US president has historically been a low water mark for he and his party.
So Bush is either a little early, or we have another scandal to go.
The minority party almost always picks up seats in the off year elections.
Consider, each 2 term president had his Waterloo in year 5 or 6:
Clinton:Monica
Reagan:Iran/Contra
Nixon:Watergate
Eisenhower:U2
Roosevelt:CourtPackingScandal
Wilson:LeagueofNations
I could go on, but you see the point.
Optimus
our 'troops' break the arms and legs of detainees with aluminum baseball bats to 'let off steam'?
u.s. soldiers trade dead porn for live porn.
i think that's what benjamin franklin had in mind for a future society.
Not a big Stewart fan, but her crime seems minor compared to these cretins.
DWD
And now there's the saga of Bill Frist, Cat Killer Extraordinaire.
Optimus: but the men you mentioned actually approached competence. George is an incompetent boob wildly out of place as a leader of anything other than a pack of rabid fratboys on a panty raid.
"The California Energy Commission's Renewable Energy Program began in 1998 to help increase total renewable electricity production statewide. This followed decades of bi-partisan legislative and gubernatorial support for renewable energy helping to make California a recognized leader in the field.
The current program provides market-based incentives for new and existing utility-scale facilities powered by renewable energy. It offers consumer rebates for those installing new renewable energy systems. The program also helps educate the public regarding renewable energy."
http://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/
Hi Sall....I want to send you some turkey...email me ok? amg how about a lovely tequila /mango juice ,to go with your mango butter! 
Terry C--is your screen large enough to accommodate all of Blankley?
The DC protest made All Things Considered today. Waiting for the actual story to come.
I'm worried about the sociopaths coming home from Iraq, too. After VietNam, the guys that came home mostly hated the war. This time, we're going to get many more who jes LOVE the killin' and the torturin'. They will each be immediately hired as instructors for the School of the Americas.
our 'troops' break the arms and legs of detainees with aluminum baseball bats to 'let off steam'?
gary in fl
Lovely
Gotta go. Thanks for the debate.
Sittenpretty--how nice of you! Thank you, I will!
And how are the duckies?
Terry C--is your screen large enough to accommodate all of Blankley?
Sallyh
I wouldn't know.
I've made it my practice not to watch any of those fascist bastards -- including preznit fuckwad!
someone should give Gonzales a subscription to Playboy. Might end this nonsense.
Anyone recall what happened the last time this bullshit was a national priority? Congressmen went on junkets to Playboy parties, they received cash and held Playmates in their laps. Porn stayed in exactly the same legal position. It's a god-damned undisguised Mafia shakedown.
Oh, are we finally going to be free from the lectures now?
Anonymous,
Pal, OK, you win. We all AGREE with everything you said. We think you are just the brightest boy. Such a good boy. Now, can we move on please? Better yet, can YOU move on please?
Anonymous,
Pal, OK, you win. We all AGREE with everything you said. We think you are just the brightest boy. Such a good boy. Now, can we move on please? Better yet, can YOU move on please?
But General, how will the brave defenders of the good christians souls of Gretna LA, gonna light the welcome crosses?
You're now claiming there aren't alternative energy and efficiency options in the state of California?
You're unbelievably misinformed.
Care to list a few, jizzbo?
Enough on the insults, it is time to jam your silly ass.
Which alternate forms of energy are you speaking of?
And how could the citizens of CA have anticipated Enron gaming the system to the point that the former taken advantage of said alternatives prior to the crisis?
someone should give Gonzales a subscription to Playboy. Might end this nonsense.
Remember the Meese report?
Why are Repugs SO put off by sex but love war and violence?
It was those damned robes. They should have known how robes enrage us.
Robes are unmanly. They're like dresses. Our Lord and Savior wore pants, usually denim, but sometimes an ancient predecessor of Dockers. And of course, He wore chaps when he went into the wilderness.
All the paintinhs of Him in robes are nothing more than feminist propaganda.
'tens of thousands' was the NPR count.
'several hundred' showed their support for Bush's policies.
I'll take that ratio, I guess.
I'm worried about the sociopaths coming home from Iraq, too. After VietNam, the guys that came home mostly hated the war. This time, we're going to get many more who jes LOVE the killin' and the torturin'. They will each be immediately hired as instructors for the School of the Americas.
Ratzo, Head Pope in Charge
Frightening!
'several hundred' showed their support for Bush's policies.
100-150 is "several hundred."
Compared to 250,000-300,000 SANE people?
Charley--quite honestly, I'm here to drink and liveblog in about an hour.
? isn't that what we do every nite.
and albert doesn't need no subscription, it's 2005, we have the internet. porn is freeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
which is i imagine the problem.
Did the Defend the White House guy defend the White House?
ou're now claiming there aren't alternative energy and efficiency options in the state of California?
Please provide a CPUC order that currently allows California consumers to select their energy provider. You can't. Again, quit talking out of your ass. There are people here who do know the facts of this case.
You're unbelievably misinformed.
If you dare to disagree with these trolls, you're unbelievably misinformed.
Either that, or they're telling you to get out of "their" country and/or making threats that they can't carry out.
(Yawn!)
All the paintinhs of Him in robes are nothing more than feminist propaganda.
Dirty feminists... Next they'll be painting him with bunnies or lambs, or some other stuffed animals, like some little girl!
It makes me clench up even tighter.
What unAmerican liars like our nony troll here always pretend is that we live in a society with a level playing field...
Reminds me of this Barry Deutsch toon.
Here's a suggestion. Try posting the salient facts to support your argument instead of saying "Go Google this" while sixteen people are bitching at me simultaneously.
Here's a suggestion. Don't make up facts and talk out of your ass to people who know what the facts are.
Hecate
Thanks, Hecate. As someone whose electricity went up 400 percent in 2000, I'd like to know what my "options" were to find a retail supplier of electricity off the spot market. And no, none of the legislators who represent me had shit all to do with dereg.
Enron's little shenanigans fucked a lot of people in the West - especially businesses. Plants and factories shut down and people lost their jobs because it was literally more profitable not to run their operations. Don't even ask what the effect was on Ports and municipal government ops like wastewater plants that were dependent on electricity. The customers are still paying those rate increases to cover the costs.
Did the Defend the White House guy defend the White House?
Gen. JC Christian, patriot
What a bunch of assholes!
Delusional!
May I intrude with a bit of non sequiter stupidness? Please? I'm bored. You're boring me - all of you, from chimpan-A(non) to chimpan-(Terry C, Femina)Z. Blah blah blah blah blah blah! Stop it already! Let's count all the heads, arms and legs, divide by five and start over.
Feedest thou not the trolls!
it's my fucking fault a hurricane came
think back Seaxneat, was it the pinata in gr.5? was it maybe too much lemondade three summers ago? was it enjoying a particular song too much?
was it the kissing?
somehow you attracted the hurricane the way dinosaurs attracted an ice age.
maybe you were nice to a homosexual?
clean sheets, btw
Trolls walk into the room
With their wee ones in their hands
They see that Bush is naked
And they say "Who is that man?"
They try so hard
but they don't understand
just what they'll say
when they get home.
Because something is happening here,
but they don't know what it is
they just know they're boned.
For real, have there been any "official" numbers from today's rally?
The MSM is saying 100,000 expected, but our side is saying 200-300,000. I'm not saying I don't trust people who were there, but I've been to rallies and got caught up in the moment and thought there were more people than there really were. People in the crowd start coming up with figures: "There's 1.5 million people here today! No, there's 3 brazilian!"
He wore chaps when he went into the wilderness.
Rob Halford signature model, of course!
I'm sure that Arnold's meetings with Enron during the electricity shortage were innocent. Surely, he was encouraging them to leave Grandma Millie with enough cash to buy the Terminator 3 DVD.
The interesting thing about Commander CooCoo Bananas is that before 9/11/01, his first term looked a lot like a bad preznit's 2d term.
Our sub sliced a Japanese fishing boat in half - and one of Cmdr CCB's donors was driving.
An unmanned spy plane went down in Chinese territory and Cmdr CCB just let them dismantle it.
He was working up to being about as unpopular as he is now. And then - he hit the trifecta.
He was working up to being about as unpopular as he is now. And then - he hit the trifecta.
One does have to wonder just where he'd be right now without 9/11...
And of course, He wore chaps when he went into the wilderness.
"verily verily I say unto you when you leave a town that does not welcome you shake the dust off your spurs...'
and what exactly could the grandmas do to not leave themselves vulnerable?
Have solar panels installed on their roofs. Buy a small windmill. Install compact fluorescents.
There's a ton of things to reduce consumption and change the source of your power. That people don't avail themselves of alternatives is their choice.
Anonymous
I've replaced all of the lighting in my house with CFLs (actually have done that beginning 5 yrs. ago.) It hasn't made any appreciable impact on my electric bill, which is already pretty low.
I'm considering installing 2Kw of photovoltaic cells on my house next year - but thats cuz I may be lucky to have 15 grand to spare for that. Gramma Smith and Auntie Jones generally may not be that lucky.
The fervor you have in your theoretical beliefs needs to be tempered with a little exposure to some of the harsh facts of reality.
Tired of waiting for the media to start doing their job? Why not help spread the word yourself?
It's easy: just print and distribute a few pages like:
http://psstpsstpsst1.blogspot.co...ptember-
24.html
BLACKOUT!! Washington DC, September 24, 2005 by William Rivers Pitt
http://psstpsstpsst1.blogspot.co...ic-
dissent.html
Patriotic Dissent by Cindy Sheehan
http://psstpsstpsst1.blogspot.co...ver-
ending.html
War! What Is It Good For? Never-Ending Profits! by Chris Floyd
There's a lot more where these came from... so Please visit http://psstpsstpsst.blogspot.com and Be The Media! ... because somebody's gonna have to do it!!
Please provide a CPUC order that currently allows California consumers to select their energy provider. You can't. Again, quit talking out of your ass. There are people here who do know the facts of this case.
Still at it with the dishonest arguments?
It's the simple question of whether people have alternatives. They do. To deny otherwise is to lie.
Did I claim that consumers have utility choice? No. What I said is they can power themselves if they choose, they can switch fuels, they can invest in efficiency, etc.
Maybe if you spent less time telling us how great you are and actually making salient points with supporting evidence, then we'd get somewhere.
Seems like your whole point is just to insult and berate.
Whatever floats ya. Lots of that going around.
I'm considering installing 2Kw of photovoltaic cells on my house next year - but thats cuz I may be lucky to have 15 grand to spare for that. Gramma Smith and Auntie Jones generally may not be that lucky.
Home equity loans, as well as low-interest loans for efficiency and renewable upgrades are available.
Why are you and so many others insistent on the belief that everyone is so powerless (mind the pun)?
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