I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
fuck
tooth
Perhaps.
Hello.
Don't be a fool, ignore the trool!
Chief?
Here, kitty kitty kitty
Is William Bennett dead yet?
THis country has had all it can handle of the bush junta. Anymore nonsense and we all go down with them.
FINAL PLEA FOR CONTRIBUTION TO DR. CHUCK PENNACCHIO'S
PROGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN
As I wander around the city—quite aimlessly at times no doubt—and talk to people about Chuck Penn’s candidacy it occurs to me that I don’t know every policy position that Dr. Pennacchio has staked out. Of course, the nice thing about supporting Chuck Penn’s candidacy is that if he’s elected I’m fairly certain that he’ll actually vote in the public interest most of the time—as opposed to Ricky Santorum, who, like most Republicans, will vote against and sell out the public interest most of the time. In other words, I know that I can trust Chuck.
There’s also a big difference between Chuck Pennacchio and Bob Casey Jr., or as I call him Senatorial nominee Zell Miller from Pennsylvania.
For example, let’s take a look at the Roberts nomination. Democrats should have voted no just on principle. That principle being that President Bush generally makes terrible decisions—especially long term and which we got a chance to see in action with NOLA--and that if someone wants a seat on the highest court on the land they should at least give forthcoming answers and not smokescreens. And, sure enough, Dr. Penn would have voted no against Roberts, just as our Republican-lite Democrat Party nominee Bob Casey Jr. would have voted yes. Keep in mind that labor backs Casey Jr. even though he’s guaranteed to confirm anti-labor, corporatist judges. I’m still trying to think of what pro labor bills would make it to the floor that Bob Casey Jr. could vote yes on. The only thing that comes to mind are pork barrel projects and no votes for higher emission standards for coal plants—thus “leading” in the same way that the auto unions have “led” against higher fuel standards for cars and trucks, especially helpful when we hit 5 dollars a gallon no doubt.
It has been pointed out that people who support Chuck Pennacchio are one issue people, with that one issue being choice. But keep in mind that Bob Casey Jr. isn’t just bad on the choice issue, he’s shown incredibly bad judgment on arctic drilling, the inanely intrusive Terri Schiavo case, moratorium against the death penalty, stem cell research, and the living wage. So, Bob Casey isn’t just anti choice and robs us of intelligent women who want to control their own bodies as opposed to fundie theocrats, his whole platform is an attack against the coalition that makes up the Democratic Party coalition, which was a winning coalition for both Kerry and Rendell. It was a loser for Ron Klink, another pro life Democrat. Of course, what if the leadership of Pennsylvania is Pro life? Perhaps they might even want to lose...which, I guess, would explain a Bob Casey Jr. run for the US Senate.
So, it’s not just the one issue folks. And no I don’t buy the Kos argument that it’s the coalition. We’ve already lost the filibuster because we don’t have democrats in the US Senate who would be willing to use it. Shameful. We need democrats who stand for something
No kidding.
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So, it’s not just the one issue folks. And no I don’t buy the Kos argument that it’s the coalition. We’ve already lost the filibuster because we don’t have democrats in the US Senate who would be willing to use it. Shameful. We need democrats who stand for something and will make a solid 40.
I mean, there’s so much gnashing of teeth at Kos and Mydd and Atrios about turncoat democrats who vote with the Republicans…doesn’t it make sense not to make Zell Miller the next Democratic Senator from Pennsylvania…? I think we can do better. Chuck Pennacchio is clearly better and I think he could actually win if we provide a contrast.
So, if you would like to nominate someone the GOP will not use to undermine the Democratic Party message and/or base then please consider giving Chuck Pennacchio a contribution today as the quarter ends. He’s looking for small contributions, 5, 10, 25 dollars, as well as big. So give what you can to help this truly progressive voice. You never know. It might even be the beginning of an opposition party. God knows we could use one.
Thers please ask watertiger if she got my card.
Thanks.
What, no cats?
What have we done to deserve this maltreatment?
Lurk...
The Endandgered species act revisions passed in the house appear to have no chance in the senate. Phew.
a modest experiment.org
Anybody recall where the database of Shrubbery affiliates can be found? The 'Where's the Brownie' potential list?
My crossed eyed Teddy Bear
Did I hear "Fresh linen, no cats"? Say it aint't so!
Is William Bennett dead yet?
And if not, why>
Scroll the troll. (Unlike me in the last thread.)
Pledge we took as children:
Cross my heart and hope to die. Stick a needle in my eye.
How sick is that?
BlakNo1--are you and Dudley settled in for the evening?
Grand Jury lets out. Indictments to follow?
Grand Jury lets out. Indictments to follow?
Fuck Bush.
It had to be said.
Among the few remarks Judy the tool made after her testimony was that she had ordered a special dinner to be cooked by her hubby -- do you think it is crow, her hat, humble pie?
And can you imagine Judy's diary --
Here Sally --
Let There Be Cats!
Feingold says we can take back both Houses and hold them for ten, fifteen, twenty years.
So that's forty-five, right?
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NTodd--now that it's cooler, is Sam more reliable about getting in by curfew? He was a very naughty boy about that all summer.
The Grand Jury is over?
(Judy was that important?)
When can we expect indictments?
Kuro and Teddy Bear are magnificent kitties!
Judy Miller's lips must be chapped from performing so much fellatio.
Yes, HBK! Thanks!
well on the 700 + thread below i made a brilliant compliment to Woody's new role in the psychological western, which now resides in haloscan limbo. let's just reduce it to "break a leg".
and bill bennett doesn't care about black people. in fact he wants to kill them.
GOP, the party of Racists.
Dudley is snoring, I'm studying.
I still have a question. Is it pronounced "ESH-ka-tawn" or "ESS-ka-tawn" or "ESH-a-TAWN" or what?
Oh, and is it just me, or is Haloscan fuckin up???
I'm udy the tool made after her testimony was that she had ordered a special dinner to be cooked by her hubby
She can eat shit and die as far as I'm concerned.
http://findthebrownie.squarespace.com/
For those who missed it earlier, Friday Nudibranch Blogging is in full effect.
Now I'm gonna go out for dinner, a couple-three too many drinks, and a bookstore or two. Have a pleasant evening!
And as for you folks up at "Liberal Mountain," try to avoid running afoul of the Vice Squad.
HANK ERWIN, ALABAMA STATE SENATOR:
"If you look at the factors, that you had a city that was known for sin—the signature of New Orleans is the French Quarter, Bourbon Street. It is known for sin. And you have a Bible that says God will judge sin, you can put two and two together and
say, it may not be the judgment of God, but it sure looks like the footprint.”
"So, I just told my friends, in an opinion, I think it could be the judgment of God on the Gulf Coast and on New Orleans. "
JOE SCARBOROUGH:
“I saw young children, 15-month-old
babies, who were suffering. I saw, in New Orleans, young children. I mean, you look on TV, you see young babies dying on the sidewalk of heat exhaustion. Certainly, these babies aren‘t sinful, are they?
Should they be made to pay for the sins of tourists from Florida that go over and gamble in New Orleans and Biloxi?”
ERWIN:
“Well, I think you need to understand that, whenever—wherever sin goes, the sins of a few can affect the innocence of many.”
Thank you watertiger.
Off to obsess about the Yankees.
"Cross my heart and hope to die. Stick a needle in my eye."
How sick is that?
mer
Eat a cow manure pie.
now that it's cooler, is Sam more reliable about getting in by curfew?
Being cooler isn't the big factor: just getting dark so much earlier. We had frost last night, but in general the temps won't really force him in for a while.
Smalfish and anyone else in Dallas: breakfast tomorrow at 10 a.m. - 11:15 a.m. at Mama's Daughter's Diner. (The one on Industrial just south of Manufacturing Street).
If you can make it I'll be the short gal with slightly longer than shoulder length brown hair and a white, long sleeved t-shirt. I usually bring the son of a friend of mine with me and sit with some good liberals. The more the merrier. If you beat me there be sure to sit in Jimmie Sue's section as we are all her fans and committed to her as our favorite server.
mmmhhhmmm best biscuits in town!
"Is William Bennett dead yet?"
Not till you see those three lemons in the sky.
Naw, I'm not going to post it.
Too depressing.
OMFG. Judy Miller has a voice made for silent movies.
Ok Keith Olberman just said her meal was a fruit plate and a martini
I think I perfer the Hecate menu
" big steaming pile" followed by
hemlock it is the only honorable thing to do
Yikes! Looks like Barack Obama isn't exactly feeling the love over at dKos.
When can we expect indictments?
Prior Aelred
And when can we expect the mother of all WHANGDEPOOTENAWAH?
n. In the Ojibwa tongue, disaster; an unexpected affliction that strikes hard.
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Is it pronounced "ESH-ka-tawn" or "ESS-ka-tawn" or "ESH-a-TAWN" or what?
Since it's related to eschatology, you can prolly look to the dictionary:
Main Entry: es·cha·tol·o·gy
Pronunciation: "es-k&-'tä-l&-jE
Saw this when scouring the wingnut side of the blogoshere, from Townhall:
According to a very reliable source close to the White House vetting process for the next nominee, Priscilla Owen has withdrawn her name from the process.
With Owen out, conservatives have lost one of the better women on the short list.
What, no cats?
What have we done to deserve this maltreatment?
Sallyh
Ya think maybe he found out how much of his booze we consumed last time he was away?
Texan Embsd by Bush
Again, I am forced to work. THse bills are growing and if I don't work, there will surely be hell to pay. Can I get another rain check? Surely there will be some saturday that I do not have to work.
Central--these people who think this way are insane. As in certifiable.
"With Owen out, conservatives have lost one of the better women on the short list."
What a sad, sad commentary.
is that MLK quote by the side of the top of the page supposed to be "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"?
chris/tx
That's good news. Hope it's true.
ERWIN:
“Well, I think you need to understand that, whenever—wherever sin goes, the sins of a few can affect the innocence of many.”
Culture of Truth
Shorter Erwin:
They were nigger babies -- who the fuck cares!
Thanks, NTodd, I'm going with "ESS-ka-TAWN"
es·cha·tol·o·gy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sk-tl-j)
n.
The branch of theology that is concerned with the end of the world or of humankind.
A belief or a doctrine concerning the ultimate or final things, such as death, the destiny of humanity, the Second Coming, or the Last Judgment.
They were nigger babies -- who the fuck cares!
Did they look like Oscar the Grouch?
craig crawford commenting on the miller developments on olbermann: 'i wouldn't want to go to jail with a name like scooter.' 
"Is William Bennett dead yet?"
Emotionally? Spiritually?
Many, many long years ago.
Just don't confuse eschatology with scatology.
The government is paying contractors an average of $2,480 for less than two hours of work to cover each damaged roof — even though it's also giving them endless supplies of blue sheeting for free.
Good work, if you can get it.
The branch of theology that is concerned with the end of the world or of humankind.
A belief or a doctrine concerning the ultimate or final things, such as death, the destiny of humanity, the Second Coming, or the Last Judgment.
...and i feel fine...
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I think Woody is ready for the role of "Frightening Convict", playing opposite Frightened Convicts #1 and #2.
There may be a Frightened Convict #3 if the budget allows-- a bit of a stretch, perhaps, but nothing WGG can't handle.
Owen, Brown, and Luttig are the ones the right had a boner about. Also one like McConnel or something. Really glad to see Owen off the list.
I'm beginning to think Gonzales, or this Hispanic women judge. Bush seems to really want to pick an Hispanic.
Just don't confuse eschatology with scatology.
NTodd
Too late.
Did they look like Oscar the Grouch?
NTodd
The early years.
Kinda dark brown-orange.
Just don't confuse eschatology with scatology.
NTodd
Too late.
Shit!
Well, I'm gonna read and snuggle with Sam and Cairo for a while. Later batsies.
"Is William Bennett dead yet?"
Not till you see those three lemons in the sky.
Wow. You're good.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did it not used to be that the government just handed out checks to homeowners and let them hire out their own work? WHats with the fed becommming a nanny over peoples lives?
"Bush seems to really want to pick an Hispanic."
That should make for an entertaining Lou Dobbs show.
well, with all the hullabaloo about serenity hereabouts, we are going to a 10pm show. hope the sox can beat the Yankees by then.
...and i feel fine...
I lloves me an REM reference. Been singing that song all week anent some business setbacks my company has been experiencing. I'm sure they all think I'm flipped.
Thanks, pie.
"The signature of New Orleans is the French Quarter, Bourbon Street. It is known for sin"
I suppose that's why the French Quarter was the part of N.O. that was not flooded.
Or, as the San Francisco poem after the 1906 earthquake goes;
"If, as they say, God spanked the town
for being over-frisky,
then why'd He burn His churches down
and spare Hotaling's whiskey?"
Kuro's eyes...
Those aren't eyes, those are TV Dinner Peas! Nothing else is that color. Even artists oil paints won't make that color. The brush melts. Professional photographers, I've been told, have to take special care--as I see you've done--because TVDPs tend to suck the green out of whatever they're photographed with. EG, when TVDPs are photographed on a bed of lettuce, they appear as bright green dots on a pile of gray cardboard shreds. It's the Curse of Old Man Swanson...
"ESS-ka-tawn"...
is the usual pronunciation, but I'm incredibly drunk, so whadIknow. We did order dinner to drive itself here. Munchkins showed up and forgave me for being a bit squiffed in light of the week's events. In fact, they are delighted to see Mommy squiffed. It's like I'm a toy they can play with. We are Pokemonning via GameCube (one of us is apparently ashamed of this, not me) and rejoicing at each others' company.
Hello, beloved 'bats. I gave up on catching up on the last thread.
"If, as they say, God spanked the town
for being over-frisky,
then why'd He burn His churches down
and spare Hotaling's whiskey?"
That is great. And wasn't there some bar that hasn't been closed for decades and survived Katrina--staying open the whole time?
Todd:
Just don't confuse eschatology with scatology.
That should be in the masthead.
Hundreds of health care workers are on strike in San Francisco, primarily over staffing cuts. Read more, sign a petition or support the strikers here.
Nope, those are his eyes.
WHats with the fed becommming a nanny over peoples lives?
smalfish
This is your modern "Get The Government Off My Back" Rethuglican party at work.
Doozer--and how are Fruney and Whitley this evening?
I like kei & yuri's new gravatar. very sexy.
The third dogblogwhoring today (the same one):
Hank
She is doing fairly well. If it is cancer it has not spread. I will know on Wednesday.
"According to a very reliable source close to the White House vetting process for the next nominee, Priscilla Owen has withdrawn her name from the process."
It's a bitch when those forgotten photographs surface...
Judy Miller has a voice for the silent movies
but cant you just hear her thin, breathy, little-girl tones growing more and more ardent with every storke: "ooooooooh Pinch, harder, harder, deeper..."
bolt-on visited her in jail just to reinvigorate himself...
"A completely unrelated article. Inside the banner headline."
oh dear Jesus, who forget to set the logic bomb to keep the brownshirts down below?
Little Boots--that'd be Johnny White's.
Sci Fi movie of the week, Gimli takes on some sort of squirmish whatever( http://tinyurl.com/833ck ) monster in the movie 'Chupacabra: Dark Seas' Saturday at 8pm eastern time.
Sounds like fun. If they stick to the actual legendary Chupacabra
http://skepdic.com/chupa.html
http://www.oftm.com/chupa.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra
http://www.mysteries-megasite.co...ch/chupa-
1.html
At least the Sci-Fi channel is trying to follow a pattern here.
MYOB'
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suppose that's why the French Quarter was the part of N.O. that was not flooded.
See, now you're trying to introduce logic into the conversation, and with wingnuts, that's just pointless.
Anyone else ever listen to Wishbone Ash?
I was just thinking how nice a voice she has. It least it's not nauseating like Mother Sheehan's.
echidne,
good luck with Hank. he's way cute, hope the x-rays prove positive.
"Bush seems to really want to pick an Hispanic."
The Senate already gave Gonzales a pass once (& how did he get the porn obession from Ashcroft?)
"Bush seems to really want to pick an Hispanic."
The Senate already gave Gonzales a pass once (& how did he get the porn obession from Ashcroft?)
I thought you people were lying about that, but it's true: John Bolton really did visit Miller in jail.
There's a hell of a lot of nuke-building material is loose all over the world that could easily fall into terrorist hands if steps aren't taken to do so. But Bush, Condi and friends are otherwise engaged.
What happens when stupidity comes in the form of a mushroom cloud?
"See, now you're trying to introduce logic into the conversation, and with wingnuts, that's just pointless."
In fact, it just upsets them and leads to all sorts of unpleasantness.
nice cats, all.
this is my last catspam of the day..in case anyone missed it!
Little Boots - This is just my gut feeling from watching Dubya since he hit the scene in TX in around 91' or so.
Republicans all know if they don't make inroads into the Hispanic community soon, they will never again win a national election (or at least after 2010). TX, AZ, FL have all had such a huge influx of Hispanics, if we could get them to vote, the Goopers are doomed nationally.
Plus Pickles seems to be making her voice heard.
Billy:
Anyone else ever listen to Wishbone Ash?
No, but I used to dig Black Oak Arkansas.
How terribly sad life is without cats on Friday. . .
Anybody recall where the database of Shrubbery affiliates can be found? The 'Where's the Brownie' potential list?
Dunno, but it's perfect website material. Create a database of names, and get people to supply links to bios or articles showing their previous roles as Bush election flunkies.
All the FEMA spokesbots named in the past month are former election shills. Lie for Bush-Cheney Inc., get a job lying about disaster relief.
Geez, we actually had a woman in the store today asking where she could buy a good wood-burning stove. She's afraid of what's said to be coming (but by the time she buys the stove, has someone install it and add the other necessities, and buys the wood, whose price will skyrocket...)
Whoa.
My husband tells me that business for same is booming in AR, according to a recent news report.
I thought you people were lying about that, but it's true: John Bolton really did visit Miller in jail.
What? Dod your latest coloring book have the news?
ehy woody, goin to the ballon fiesta at all? i think i'm going to go tomorrow. they are having a wine festival at the balloon festival tomorrow. sounds like a really good idea. for 10 extra $ you get to drink up a bunch of nm wine.
'cuse me while I kiss this guy!
(well, thats how I heard it)
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The Senate already gave Gonzales a pass once (& how did he get the porn obession from Ashcroft?)
Know what's going to be on the Supreme Court's plate at some point?
Whether or not the Pentagon has to release the next wave of Abu Ghraib photos and videos.
Feingold says we can take back both Houses and hold them for ten, fifteen, twenty years.
So that's forty-five, right?
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QuentinCompson
Rove would have us for 45 in Gitmo just for bringing it up.
NPD? What is it and where does it come from? Nobody really knows. Perhaps IT is the source of the 70% Dark Energy Contingent in the Known Universe. Hate is Energy; Dark, Dark Energy... When condensed and purified, it becomes Dark Matter. Ooooh!
What does one do to cope with a Narcissist? A Personality Disorder of this magnitude is such a stunning work to behold, a masterpiece of malice and hypocrisy.
I just had a Clinically Diagnosed Control Freak accuse ME of being a control freak (shouted, of course)...
Ahhhh, it isn't just the Goooopers that suffer from delusional denial, pathological lying, serial false accusation syndrome and SuperEgo Lacunae, now is it?
Sweet, sweet irony.
But I luv Her so, SSJ (irony, that is)
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Just don't confuse eschatology with scatology.
what's the difference?
one thing is certain, we are in a world of shit.
Anyone ever listen to Wishbone Ash?
I ask you, who can forget "jail bait" or "lady whiskey"?
Rock on.
jdw--love the kitties staring down the fridge!
"Open sesame..."
Wait, are we catwhoring too?
I got mine out of the way this morning, but it couldn't hurt to do it again...
Ah, that's it, SallyH.
My husband tells me that business for same is booming in AR
I'm hoping to go into the woods next weekend with my chainsaw and find me some partially dead trees to heat my house with this winter.
I thought you people were lying about that, but it's true: John Bolton really did visit Miller in jail.
Tobes -
Rumor is that that Bolt and Judee got down and did the boar-hawg grind at the jail house.
Rather unseemly, don't you think?
but it's true: John Bolton really did visit Miller in jail.
*yawn*
Don't you hate that you're so uninformed?
Come on, Tobes. Get with it!
many cats on my homepage
and here
http://homepage.mac.com/
virgotex...otoAlbum25.html
If it is cancer it has not spread. I will know on Wednesday.
Echidne of the snakes
MOOooOOMM!!
NOOoooo....
I hope and pray Hank will be ok.
We very desperately need to stop the influx of Mexicans into the United States. It's too much balkanization.
If Hillary rides that horse in '08, she may go far.
Anyone else ever listen to Wishbone Ash?
Billy B
Yes, but couldn't tell u anything about them now.
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OMFG. Judy Miller has a voice made for silent movies.
Sallyh
Hahahahaha. She sounds like a petulant child. Does she yell at generals with that voice? or can you just hear her yelling, "I WAS FUCKING RIGHT1!!" with that little squeaker?
Eli--Mocha's a sweetie!
Sallyh; out frolicking in the just-showed-up-this-evening autumnal splendor. (It's cool and dry all a sudden). Fruney's been meowing at me to chase her around the yard. Which, of course, I did. She tired of that after a couple hours, and turned to dominating Bozo, the alpha male hereabouts. Well, acting alpha male when Fruney's around...
With Owen out, conservatives have lost one of the better women on the short list.
In the wingnut dictionary, 'better' means 'more batshit insane'. A pity, really: Bush absolutely has to feed the bloodlust of Radical Cleric Dobson and the rest of the Justice Sunday gang, and producing a nominee that could possibly get Democratic votes in the Senate will just piss them off.
Oh yeah, them balkan Mexicans is a real thang. Now, watch this drive.
Echidne--I will make all the offering to the goddesses they request for Hank to be okay.
Eli--Mocha's a sweetie!
Yes, she is. She likes to lie on her side and hitch herself along the carpet with her front paws.
We very desperately need to stop the influx of Mexicans into the United States. It's too much balkanization.
Balkanization. I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Sci Fi movie of the week, Gimli takes on some sort of squirmish whatever( http://tinyurl.com/833ck ) monster in the movie 'Chupacabra: Dark Seas'
Looks to have the potential for MASSIVE cast devourage.
Heh.
Billy, I very much doubt that Bolton and Miller had sex while she was in jail. After all, it's a secured facility; we're not talking about the Oval Office here, you know.
Echidne of the snakes,
It's experimental, but check this out:
http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/
...cout527931.html
"At the highest concentration of ascorbic acid, if given intravenously, they don't touch normal cells and they kill lots of cancer cells. We don't know why," Levine said.
According to the study, published in the Sept. 12-16 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, vitamin C led to the formation of hydrogen peroxide, a chemical that can kill cells. This suggests a potential mechanism for therapy, Levine said.
"The mechanism has to be validated in animals -- the effects tested in animals to see if this is true," he said.
Google "Klenner vitamin C" for lots more info.
Hecate:
Balkanization. I don't think that word means what you think it means.
What makes you [think] that?
I'm hoping to go into the woods next weekend with my chainsaw and find me some partially dead trees to heat my house with this winter.
How cold does it get in Dallas?
That is not Jesse Ventura??!!! Is it?
Oh, good grief, Minnesota.
whoa, is jesse ventura morphing into genghis khan?
Lavalamp--Lemmy looks like he was a marvelous cat.
pie,
toby is also quite upset that "those people" are clogging up the streets of San Antonio, and wishes they would leave as soon as possible.
not only is he a brownshirt cocksucker, but he's a stupid and selfish brownshirt cocksucker. just like his heroes.
Friend of mine is buying one of those pellet/feed corn burning stoves.
Hey Pretzold.
This one's for you.
" Wait, are we catwhoring too?" -- Eli
Isn't that what knocked Priscilla Owens out of the running?
Jesse Ventura is morphing into Arnold Schwarzenegger is morphing into Mr. Whipple.
I very much doubt that Bolton and Miller had sex while she was in jail.
In a women's prison?
Surely, you jest.
(& how did he get the porn obession from Ashcroft?)
A Justice Department staff that's desperate for six-month assignments surfing online porn and taking trips to titty bars?
central, Echidne--Linus Pauling's claims re vitamin C were never substantiated; the dude did, however, live a long, long time.
We very desperately need to stop the influx of Mexicans into the United States. It's too much balkanization.
If Hillary rides that horse in '08, she may go far.
God you're a fucking moron.
How cold does it get in Dallas?
Cold enough that high Natural Gas prices are going to kill people here.
I go to see Eli's cat pics, and what do I learn?
""Nobody can handle nipples like Bobo."
wow!
At EschaCon (as a Xian religious fanatic, I took the pronunciation for granted -- was surprised at the # of people there who used a "German pronunciation" -- as it were) the pols were saying that all the signs point to 2006 being a good year for the Dems -- I hope they know what they are talking about
So Feingold said that did he? Well, I hope HE knows what he is talking about
The Senate already gave Gonzales a pass once (& how did he get the porn obession from Ashcroft?)
Prior Aelred
Prior A,
The obsession has a motive behind it:
check this out.
I'm beginning to think Gonzales, or this Hispanic women judge. Bush seems to really want to pick an Hispanic.
chris/tx
Christ, Chris, there really is a vengeful God,as the rethugs believe. Few judges seem to retire during even a moderate president's watch. We're cursed.
toby is also quite upset that "those people" are clogging up the streets of San Antonio, and wishes they would leave as soon as possible.
Hey, 'those people' are my neighbors.
I go to see Eli's cat pics, and what do I learn?
""Nobody can handle nipples like Bobo."
Oh yeah, I guess I should have mentioned that it's also Friday Quote Blogging...
If it is cancer it has not spread. I will know on Wednesday.
Echidne of the snakes
Oh, Echidne! Your beautiful baby! I hope she's going to be OK. My parent's Irish setter had a cancer operation 3 years ago and is fine now, so it isn't always the worst news. Hopefully, she's going to be OK.
Peace!
And here I was, watching Anderson Cooper virtually esviscerate the Bush administration for a full hour tonight.
It was a beyoootiful thang. It was a thang of beauty.
I remember Hurricane Hugo well. Four years after Hugo swept through N and S Carolina, they still hadn't recovered. But the TV crews had long gone home.
I very much doubt that Bolton and Miller had sex while she was in jail.
Pie:
In a women's prison?
Surely, you jest.
Oh, yeah. I keep forgetting. Y'all are insane.
toby is also quite upset that "those people" are clogging up the streets of San Antonio, and wishes they would leave as soon as possible.
He's afraid of them.
Sad.
My fellow Americans...
How many speeches start with that, Toby?
Richard -
Cool. If you can see my gravatar that's the cover of Argus. The Melody Maker album of the year in 1972. One of my all time faves.
Tobes - Argus came out at the same time Black Oak's "When an Angel Came to See You, Would You Make Her Feel at Home. Get both. Trust me.
I grew up in the town where most of the BOA folks were from. I see the boys regularly when I go home.
Richard - I got a kick out of the goofball that referred to you as dick brain. The boy was none too swift.
I got mine out of the way this morning, but it couldn't hurt to do it again...
Eli
Cheez, Eli.
I was desperately ill last weekend and didn't even notice that you'd posted Princesa.
And her little friend.
Doozer--somehow, I don't think Fruney would let anyone get in front of her.
Echidne --
Sorry to hear Hank still has problems -- I hope all the cancer tests are clear
Maybe we should beat the shit out of any "Democrat" who ever votes for any Repug lesgislation.
We very desperately need to stop the influx of Mexicans into the United States. It's too much balkanization.
If Hillary rides that horse in '08, she may go far.
God you're a fucking moron.
Thers
Don't worry, President Sluggo will ruin the economy completely, and the influx will turn into an exodus. Guadalahara's looking pretty good.
I have a fundy xtian training partner who is all het up about illegal immigration. When he wants to sound moderate, he tells me he's vote for a Dem who would crack down on it. He also tells me that he is (now) in favor of divided government, to have a Dem branch act as a check against a Rep branch. I asked him why he voted for junior. He had no answer.
Anyone been to the Windsor Ballet?
Ah. Some more of your trenchant analysis, eh, Thersites?
Cold enough that high Natural Gas prices are going to kill people here.
We just dropped $500 to sill up the oil tank. This better be a mild winter...
not only is he a brownshirt cocksucker, but he's a stupid and selfish brownshirt cocksucker. just like his heroes.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari | 09.30.05 - 8:56 pm
Watch it with your epithets, Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari. Some of us are proud to say that we suck cock. Choose another term of abuse or be prepared for a frontal assault.
not only is he a brownshirt cocksucker, but he's a stupid and selfish brownshirt cocksucker. just like his heroes.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari | 09.30.05 - 8:56 pm
Watch it with your epithets, Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari. Some of us are proud to say that we suck cock. Choose another term of abuse or be prepared for a frontal assault.
in md i used to work with lots of illegal mexicans. salt of the earth, for the most part. none of them had any intention of remaining in gringolandia for more than a year or two either. i always figured that the ones you meet in md are probably among the smartest ones, since they obviously had the good sense to get the hell away from the border once they snuck in.
Oh, yeah. I keep forgetting. Y'all are insane.
No, you're irony-impaired.
"Oh yeah, I guess I should have mentioned that it's also Friday Quote Blogging..."
not a problem with me...nipples goooood 
"Little Boots - This is just my gut feeling from watching Dubya since he hit the scene in TX in around 91' or so. Republicans all know if they don't make inroads into the Hispanic community soon, they will never again win a national election (or at least after 2010). TX, AZ, FL have all had such a huge influx of Hispanics, if we could get them to vote, the Goopers are doomed nationally."
I agree. I do think Goopers are overestimating the whole, hey, they're Catholic so just tell 'em you hate gays and they'll vote for you thing. I know some will, but I believe most won't. But (as always) Dems have to get their act together and seize the opportunity to appeal to this huge voting bloc. And especially in Texas and Florida, they have got to pay attention to the voting process itself.
I was desperately ill last weekend and didn't even notice that you'd posted Princesa.
And her little friend.
Well, that's a damn shame. I was wondering where you were - there were lots of questions about the photo that I could not answer...
Jesus, how many people have you bluffed in your life?
"At the highest concentration of ascorbic acid, if given intravenously, they don't touch normal cells and they kill lots of cancer cells. We don't know why," Levine said.
Didn't Linus Pauling get ridiculed late in his career for advocating megadoses of Vit C?
Yep.
One of my friends' tutors, Michael Gearing-Tosh, died a few months ago. He was given six months to live from a rare form of cancer. In 1994. He wrote a book about the regimen he embarked upon. And ultimately, it was an infection that wasn't at all related to his cancer that killed him.
Cold enough that high Natural Gas prices are going to kill people here.
I'm either buying a lot of blankets or finding a couple of concubines. I figure after the first heating bill, the wife will be OK with that.
Flory--I'll be Scifi Saturday night liveblogging. What should I bake for snacks?
What could have disqualified Owen
from consideration for the Supreme Court which did not also already compromise her fitness for and disqualify her from that seat to which she was recently confirmed (by the feculent Seven) on the Appellate Bench?
will somebody please explain...
not that i'm complaining...one fewer batshit crazy fucking Religioon in the running is fine with me...
but mebbe she should resign from the Circuit, too???
just askin'
.
not a problem with me...nipples goooood
I have another nipple quote from that same movie which might be even better.
The rethug conundrum.... they hate Mexicans, but want the lowest wages possible. If they kick them out, wages go up, if they overlook the illegals, their constituency gets angry.
Shhhhhh. Let's not talk about that either....like everything else.
Jesus, how many people have you bluffed in your life?
Wow, and I thought *I* was cynical about Christianity.
http://wizbangblog.com/archives/007187.php
Somebody:
Maybe we should beat the shit out of any "Democrat" who ever votes for any Repug lesgislation.
Right. I'll see you after the putsch, ja?
BTW --
My copy of Athenae's book "Special Plans" arrived today!
I'll have to go over to Chicago to get it inscribed!
Richard Cranium
it seems that reporters who are actually out in the field get what's going on. watched Washington Week In Review for a while tonight, funny funny funny. the deeply conservative mindset of the supposedly neutral Beltway insiders was laughable. they all seemed to think DeLay was being railroaded on flimsy charges. WaPo's Balz was the worst, just so full of himself, and asked the Time reporter "why don't we know about all this rampant cronyism until now?"
maybe because in most Western countries they have a working press?
Cock.
It's not just for breakfast anymore.
If your cat ever has cancer, go with the radiation if you can, but do not go with chemo. very few have their kidneys survive chemo.
The rethug conundrum.... they hate Mexicans, but want the lowest wages possible. If they kick them out, wages go up, if they overlook the illegals, their constituency gets angry.
Shhhhhh. Let's not talk about that either....like everything else.
Let them keep coming, but *pretend* to be angry about it and trying to stop it.
That's great, Pitchforks. Now comes your opportunity to demonstrate some intellectual honesty: what reason do Democrats have for unfettered Mexican immigration?
Echidne, blessings your way.
also remember that they are so much more physically resilient than we are, and very much less psychologically upset about physical pain and hardship than we would be in a similar state. You are may be much more upset than she is right now.
I hope all goes well.
JDW:
The picture of the four cats sitting patiently by the stove is PRICELESS!
WaPo's Balz was the worst, just so full of himself, and asked the Time reporter "why don't we know about all this rampant cronyism until now?"
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
Guadalahara's looking pretty good.
Pitchforks and Torches | Email | 09.30.05 - 9:01 pm
Ohhh, nooo, Guadalajara won't do...
All right! TV killed before Rita Loogie Cosby could utter her first syllable!
Watch it with your epithets, Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari. Some of us are proud to say that we suck cock. Choose another term of abuse or be prepared for a frontal assault.
proud cocksucker
Some women are proud of it too, I hear.
Diane --
Thanks for the link -- makes sense (sadly)
Did you hear that John is moving to Philly -- no more meetings at Temecula, alas!
C'mon folks if you want to make a trool cry just ignore it.
S'fun!
All right! TV killed before Rita Loogie Cosby could utter her first syllable!
Eschaton killed the video star...
"Sci Fi movie of the week, Gimli takes on some sort of squirmish whatever( http://tinyurl.com/833ck ) monster in the movie 'Chupacabra: Dark Seas'"
God. I can not wait for that movie!
God. I can not wait for that movie!
There is just no way that can not be Teh Awesome.
Right?
That's great, Pitchforks. Now comes your opportunity to demonstrate some intellectual honesty: what reason do Democrats have for unfettered Mexican immigration?
Toby Petzold
They're helping the "huddled masses."
Learn Spanish Toby, it may be necessary in Austin soon.
I agree. I do think Goopers are overestimating the whole, hey, they're Catholic so just tell 'em you hate gays and they'll vote for you thing.
Hasn't worked in CA yet.
There are a couple gay rights bills on the ballot this fall. Could be test cases.
Hi Prior Aelred, How are you? Whenever I read your posts I feel better. Not sure why, but I do.
Well, that's a damn shame. I was wondering where you were - there were lots of questions about the photo that I could not answer...
Eli
OK -- archival comment reading for flory....
Now comes your opportunity to demonstrate some intellectual honesty: what reason do Democrats have for unfettered Mexican immigration?
I have a very simple one (though I'm not a Democrat): if you have mobility of capital, you ought to have mobility of labour.
The rethug conundrum.... they hate Mexicans, but want the lowest wages possible. If they kick them out, wages go up, if they overlook the illegals, their constituency gets angry.
Shhhhhh. Let's not talk about that either....like everything else.
Let them keep coming, but *pretend* to be angry about it and trying to stop it.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 09.30.05 - 9:04 pm | #
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they do want them here. they just want to make sure that they don't have any rights. me, i'll start really worrying when nobody wants to sneak into the us any more.
Some women are proud of it too, I hear.
Trouble is, Judy's creating scarcity in the market.
so you and the disshy Melissa are well ? it mighta got a bit worrisoe where you were, que no?
WoodyGuthriesGuitar
que no!
Not so bad, tho, as it turned out.
Just enough to get a little scary.
I sat out all nite in a protected area away from the wind. (ran in a couple times when it seemed the shit was about to hit the fan) Melissa slept.
The power has finally become reliable, which is a big relief.
Thanks for asking, I'll tell Melissa.
.
agave
Now comes the tricky part: If businesses were not allowed to threaten an undocumented worker with deportation would the labour remain as cheap?
"There is just no way that can not be Teh Awesome.
Right?"
Nope, there is no way possible.
Now is time for pizza!
this yanks/boston game is really good. the playoffs have essentially started early. lucky us.
I think there's a liberal conundrum on illegal immigration, too. If all immigration ceased, there would be upward pressure on wages. That is good. With illegal immigration, there is downward pressure on wages. That is bad.
If they really want to stop illegals, they'd make hiring them without due dilligence a felony. They just want the bigot vote.
Well, the Repukes are shcozoid on illegals -- the poor & stupid hate those brown folks taking away the jobs that they wouldn't take themselves & the rich & clever rely on exploiting the labor of those same people -- so the rich Republicans need to keep playing the race card in theory but never actually getting rid of the illegals -- sadly, they seem to keep doing a bang-up job!
Hey, anybody wanna buy a generator? Low hours, works great!
I drove all the way into Houston today to get an aux gas tank, so I wouldn't have to keep running out there every 2 hrs 15 min, and after 2 hrs making the stupid thing fit, got it fired up again, and as I turned back to the house to turn on the AC, what do I see? The one tell-tale light I left turned on, on the single live circuit, glaring at me with a mute "fuck you, puny Human!" gleam in it's evil photonic eye. The power was back on. After all the horrible damage reported by Entergy, and vague "estimates" of extended time for repairs, and news reports of "several weeks", which caused a ton of us to scamper to Houston and spend money we didn't really have on generators and accessories, boom, we're up and running again. Now, I suppose I should be glad I don't have to use that noisy, gas guzzling contraption any more, but, damn, guys, how 'bout letting us know what's going on here, huh? "Several weeks" my ass. In an Information Age, when they hoard it like that, it may as well be the Dark Ages.
"Now comes your opportunity to demonstrate some intellectual honesty: what reason do Democrats have for unfettered Mexican immigration?"
And here's one for you. How many Republican capitalists honestly don't love all the cheap labor from Mexico and would absolutely shit themselves if it were suddenly cut off?
oooh....pizza.
haloscan ate my apology.
apologies to cocksuckers everywhere for putting you into the same catgeory as Toby the Brownshirt. cocksuckers don't advocate the forced sterilization of poor women, nor do they generally make racist comments on their blogs.
again, by putting cocksuckers in the same category as the Brownshirt I have offended cocksuckers, and for this I apologize.
Flory--I'll be Scifi Saturday night liveblogging. What should I bake for snacks?
Sallyh
Isn't this one about a cruise ship?
I'd say seafood is in order.
Crab stuffed 'shrooms. Shrimpies.
Like that.
Confiscate the property of anyone who hires an undocumented worker.
problem solved.
Milbank, 27th September
"...Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) sent his budget director, Bill Hoagland, who cautioned that federal Katrina spending might not exceed $100 billion. But John Clerici, from a law firm that helped sponsor the event, told the group that spending would "probably be larger" than $200 billion. "It's going to be spent in a fast and furious way," Clerici said.
Sipping coffee from china cups and munching on doughnuts, the corporate crowd heard Joe McInerney, president of the American Hotel and Lodging Association, predict: "I think we'll see Mardi Gras in New Orleans to some extent this year."
Small Business Administration official Herbert L. Mitchell told them to think of the SBA as "really the federal government's disaster bank." Mitchell said his payroll has gone from 800 to 2,300 since the storm and he is adding 200 people a day as he tries to increase maximum payments to small businesses.
This sort of federal honey pot alarms fiscal conservatives. Earlier this month, the conservative Heritage Foundation complained about a 33 percent expansion of the federal government since 2001, even before the Katrina spending. "Unless lawmakers make difficult decisions now, they will dump the largest debt in world history into the laps of the next generation," Heritage concluded.
The natural enemy of this spending is Pence's 110-member Republican Study Committee in the House. House GOP leaders have taken to calling the group "the minority caucus," believing that Republicans would return to minority status if they were to follow its recommendations.
But the minority caucus lost its nerve. People arrived at Pence's speech to learn that, after he objected to YAF's original description, the topic had been changed to a more neutral question: "Have conservatives given up on smaller government?"
Pence's answer: Not in the least. The silver-haired third-termer lamented that "many Republicans see government increasingly as the cure for every social ill," and he said "we've got to figure out how to pay" for the Katrina spending.
But Pence did not have thoughts on that question, other than the RSC's "Operation Offset," a list of possible cuts that has been dismissed by the GOP leadership he lavishly praised. As for the originally planned talk questioning the leadership's fealty to small government, YAF spokesman Jason Mattera said "it would have been nice" to hear Pence's views."
I love it. Governmental disaster relief (which consists of guaranteed loans, repaid) - and the pittance paid to those who bring it - is a 'honey pot'.
Let's let Halliburton fix everything!
I just need to point this out: young Rosie is walking around with a raw potato and is gnawing on it right now.
One of the blessings here,
it never gets killer cold.
Hell, I'd rather BBQ outside in Dec than Aug.
.
pseudonymous:
I have a very simple one (though I'm not a Democrat): if you have mobility of capital, you ought to have mobility of labour.
A very palpable hit, sir.
But Left-leaning Democrats are opposed to borders and want everybody from the second and third worlds to come and take a drag off of Uncle Sucker's joint.
Gives you something resembling an electoral base until it bankrupts your culture and economy. Great idea!
I just need to point this out: young Rosie is walking around with a raw potato and is gnawing on it right now.
Irish do that.
The answer to the imbalances
between the mobility of capital and labor is to regulate both equally stringently, not to go all laissez faire...
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back in the 80s/ early 90s in the northeast, you couldn't swing a cat without hitting an illegal irish or british immigrant. it was never an issue. the anti-mexican rhetoric is nothing but racism.
Papa John's spicy italian pizza!
Prior A,
Just emailed you a pic of yourself and Feral Liberal. Lousy picture, but hopefully a nice rememberance.
Hecate,
Did you finish reading the new book by Starhawk that you mentioned recently (I can't remember the title)?
I've have two other books by her that are heavily underlined:
"Dreaming the Dark: Magic, Sex & Politics"
"Truth or Dare: Encounters with Power, Authority, and Mystery."
I think she makes a lot of sense.
jdw, I think your newly adopted cat should be named Slinky-based on his pose in that photo.
Mrs al-Jafaari:
cocksuckers don't advocate the forced sterilization of poor women
It's no surprise to me that Bennett could be misinterpreted when the intellectual quality of the opposition in this country is no better than what you've shown.
When are we going to have Friday Rosieblogging?
There is just no way that can not be Teh Awesome.
Right?
Eli
Si.
Now is time for pizza!
Eli
Ask the ocelots.
If all immigration ceased, there would be upward pressure on wages. That is good. With illegal immigration, there is downward pressure on wages. That is bad.
Nah. When real murkans want to go back to doing the very physical, less than sought-after jobs that legal and illegal immigrants have taken, then you may have a point.
offended cocksuckers, and for this I apologize.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari
I did the same, I forget to whom.
A lady was offended.
Won't use the term again.
Oral sex is a good thing.
.
back in the 80s/ early 90s in the northeast, you couldn't swing a cat without hitting an illegal irish or british immigrant.
Well, many of the Irish have gone home, but there are still plenty manning the bars.
" I just need to point this out: young Rosie is walking around with a raw potato and is gnawing on it right now."
"Irish do that." -- Eli
You guys stay safe. I hear there are actually Liberals on Liberal Mountain. I've heard that they don't wear clothes. I've heard, well, all sorts of intrig -- I mean disturbing things.
The little potato-chewing ones are often the most dangerous.
This sort of federal honey pot alarms fiscal conservatives.
Cousin? There ARE no fiscal conservatives. They all have their hands in the honey pot now.
they hate Mexicans, but want the lowest wages possible.
If they really wanted to get rid of illegal immigrants, they'd crack doen on the employers. They're much, much easier to track down and nail. But taht, um, er, would be bad for business, see?
What they want is to keep them here just like they are now: overworked, underpaid, underserved, and scared.
I just need to point this out: young Rosie is walking around with a raw potato and is gnawing on it right now.
There's two centuries of genetics for you.
I just need to point this out: young Rosie is walking around with a raw potato and is gnawing on it right now.
watertiger
She's Irish.
You're point would be?
Uh, pizza?
Papa John's spicy italian pizza!
I had a Papa Murphy's vegetarian calzone in Colorado Springs last summer. It was tasty.
No doubt, as Olaf pointed out, there is a racisct component in the current agrument re illegal immigration. If that were parsed out, would we still favor illegals who under the value of indigenous labor?
the anti-mexican rhetoric is nothing but racism.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 09.30.05 - 9:14 pm
there usta be a regular little colony of illegal Northern Irelanders (Belfast) in Santa Fe...did rather well for themselves, iirc...
blended in too, cuz NM is really tri-cultural...i love living in a third world country, consistently hearing two languages, seeing billboards in spanish, hearing radio...
i love it here...
Caligula:
How many Republican capitalists honestly don't love all the cheap labor from Mexico and would absolutely shit themselves if it were suddenly cut off?
Probably as many as there are Democrats who don't care about the future of our political or intellectual culture and want all borders erased.
offended cocksuckers, and for this I apologize.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari
Hahahahahaha. Get over it, cocksucker.
It's no surprise to me that Bennett could be misinterpreted when the intellectual quality of the opposition in this country is no better than what you've shown.
crawl back to the sewer from which you came, Brownshirt.
I just need to point this out: young Rosie is walking around with a raw potato and is gnawing on it right now.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 09.30.05 - 9:13 pm | #
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ha! the little irish urchin!
i have a niece whose favorite thing when she was little was frozen peas. she liked them frozen. for a while her parents actually had her believing that if she misbehaved, she wouldn't be allowed to have any frozen peas.
"shcozoid" was supposed to be "schizoid" -- dunno how i messed that up THAT badly!
mer -- thanks -- likewise I'm sure
Things have been hectic here lately -- I always wear a lot of hats but it has been worse than usual -- I'm filling in for two diffewrent people tomorrow morning so I am supposed to be the first one up & make the coffee & put out the butter & jam, etc. and also ring the bells for church & light the candles, etc. -- also teaching a class before Mass
When you have a pattern everything is managable, but adding these one off things can get tricky to remember
Gives you something resembling an electoral base until it bankrupts your culture and economy.
The Statue of Liberty just keeled over.
Oral sex is a good thing.
damning with faint praise, methinks.
I think there's a liberal conundrum on illegal immigration, too. If all immigration ceased, there would be upward pressure on wages. That is good. With illegal immigration, there is downward pressure on wages. That is bad.
It's a conservative conundrum-if we stopped illegal immigration, there might be full employment, and a seller's market for workers, which capitalists hate.
Sandy-L.A., 90034 -- other good books: When God Was A Woman by Merlin Stone, The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler.
Gives you something resembling an electoral base until it bankrupts your culture and economy.
Well, that's one way of thinking about it.
A crass, stupid way.
Cultural bankruptcy? Bollocks.
If that were parsed out, would we still favor illegals who under the value of indigenous labor?
Left Lane | Email | 09.30.05 - 9:18 pm
oh, you bet...
they'd be heralded as the finest exemplars of Murkin Entrepeneurialism,
if only they weren't mexicans/nigras...
Thanks for all the Hank support. I brought her home and she's all groggy and has a shaved leg in the back, too, but she still tried to run out of the car.
So, which Native American tribe are you directly descended from, Tobes?
Sandy-L.A., 90034: thanks!
Karin: isn't that amazing? She can almost turn 180 degrees between tail and head!
Cronkite on Larry King-
US should get out of Iraq right now.
It's no surprise to me that Bennett could be misinterpreted when the intellectual quality of the opposition in this country is no better than what you've shown.
Oh puhleeeze
If they really wanted to get rid of illegal immigrants, they'd crack doen on the employers.
They'd crack down. They'd be the employers.
They ain't cracking down on themselves.
Much easier to demonize poor brown people.
bigvic --
got the pic -- thanks -- you see that my glass is empty -- a tragedy -- especially with Guiness a $7.00 a pint!
It's no surprise to me that Bennett could be misinterpreted
Ha. He compared himself to Jonathan Swift. I wrote part of my doctoral thesis on Jonathan Swift; and Bill Bennett is no Jonathan Swift.
"But Left-leaning Democrats are opposed to borders and want everybody from the second and third worlds to come and take a drag off of Uncle Sucker's joint."
No, seriously. Liberals (and some Republican presidents) recognize that there is a porous, wink-wink border and a whole lotta dishonesty about this argument that borders are sacred, nobody can cross without the right forms and the 20 relatives to vouch for them and the whole fuckin bit. That we have in effect an unacknowledged common labor market with Mexico and we might as well admit it. But it's just terribly hard to get that reality past the grim and bitter "ther takin our jobs" insane clown posse in Congress. It's not an easy issue, because no question it drags down wages overall, and I don't think people on either side of this particular issue place a high priority on honesty. This is the one issue I think Bush had good intentions on solving. I think his guest worker idea was a good start, but it would not fly in his own party.
Confiscate the property of anyone who hires an undocumented worker.
problem solved.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari
Make it easier for those that just wanna come here and make some money for thier families.
problem solved.
(You know many rely on them for cheap labor, and they rely on them needed it)
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Left Lane:
I think there's a liberal conundrum on illegal immigration, too. If all immigration ceased, there would be upward pressure on wages. That is good. With illegal immigration, there is downward pressure on wages. That is bad.
It figures that the best thing I've read here all night should come from someone who isn't lying in wait to splutter out "FRIST!" or "My cat's got a thorn in its paw!"
5 to 1. now ain't that just the sweetest thing in the whole world?
How many Republican capitalists honestly don't love all the cheap labor from Mexico and would absolutely shit themselves if it were suddenly cut off?
Reminds me of that movie IIRC "a day without Mexicans".
But seriously, we have been having our streets repaved, new drainage, and water lines. I have had to talk to the workers about twenty times or so. NEVER has there been a man on any of the crews that speak english.
Couple that with all the yard crews, maids, tree trimming, and the guys working on the freeway widening. I make a point to look for white or black faces. Almost never see a black, and the whites are standing around doing management type stuff. Houston would come to a standstill without the Hispanic blue collar workers.
Marcia:
"Sandy-L.A., 90034 -- other good books: When God Was A Woman by Merlin Stone, The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler.
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison | Email | Homepage | 09.30.05 - 9:20 pm"
Yes -- I loved The Chalice and the Blade -- she and her husband published a workbook for that, too.
These books made a great impression on me.
Goddamit people.
The degree of bigotry about lax immigration enforcement in this country is appalling - so much so that it spills into everything.
One of the main arguments by my 'superiors' in the Army as to why it was okay to harass and discriminate against me was that they believed - -believed- mind you, that my citizenship status was irregular. Not that it was, not that it ever was, but they 'thought' it was. So that made it all right.
Illegals produce more for this country in the way of monetary proceeds, in terms of benefits that are never retrieved, including such items as Social Security payments and every other form of government allocated benefit programme into which they pay but from which they receive nothing at all, than any single other identifiable group. The only actual and documented harm caused comes as a result of the expense of caring for them when they are harmed crossing the border - and that expense is born by the border towns and counties, not by somebody in Backofbeyond Ohio worrying about seeing a Mesikin.
Christ - Why on earth should I give a damn if my gardener is legal or illegal? It's not my concern nor ever will it be. Any more than the presumption that I was illegal was grounds for discrimination against me.
This is the g-d United States. People want to come here, tho for my sins any more I'm not sure why. This g-d last man in close the gate crap is about as bigotted, racialist and pointless as anything there could be - nativist sentiment is crap in this country.
And take the damned potato out of Rosie's fist - you might as well just mainline sugar and ethnically absurd punchlines.
lavalamp-Cronkite said that? Details please!
That we have in effect an unacknowledged common labor market with Mexico and we might as well admit it.
"Unacknowledged"?! Jesus!
Yes, she is. She likes to lie on her side and hitch herself along the carpet with her front paws.
Eli
Called "scootching". I put down new rug a few years ago, and had all five (at that time) on the floor doing it.
in md i used to work with lots of illegal mexicans. salt of the earth, for the most part. none of them had any intention of remaining in gringolandia for more than a year or two either. i always figured that the ones you meet in md are probably among the smartest ones, since they obviously had the good sense to get the hell away from the border once they snuck in.
Olaf glad and big
as my good buddy from the domincan republic, in florida, talking about his family in jersy told me,
"we are everywhere"
as a white suburban boy from md. who grew up with many black freinds and worked with inner city youth it saddens me to think this is even a topic we have to continually rehash. i recognize cultural differences, as a white boy from suburban md. i think that's a good thing.
love, the only thing in the world, that there is just to little of.
oh, and fuck Bill Bennett!!! remember he ain't the only one.
but she still tried to run out of the car.
Echidne of the snakes
That's a good sign.
BTW -- how'd a girl puppy get a name like 'Hank'?
Republican- having only two colors left in your box of crayons.
I just need to point this out: young Rosie is walking around with a raw potato and is gnawing on it right now.
Can we get a picture?
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.30.05 - 9:22 pm | #
Thanks for ignoring all other comments.
And make sure you ignore GWPDA's at 9:22.
When you have a pattern everything is managable, but adding these one off things can get tricky to remember
Word. I get nervous everytime I get a new task added. I have to leave myself extensive notes. For example, I'm now taking an extra allergy pill for the fall season! Heh. Ain't youth grand!
agave
yes, I am a firm believer in the free flow of both capital and labor. the point I was trying to make was the Democratic response should be two-fold: a guest worker program, and a proposal to confiscate the property (farms, factories, pool cleaning business, construction companies) of anyone hiring undocumented workers.
make it clear that stopping "illegal" immigration is as easy as stopping "illegal" drug trade. confiscation of assets would be a way to penalize the people who profit from the use of illegal labor.
Hey all - hugs for everyone, especially the furry among us. Best wishes for Hank, echidne.
Also, congratulations to Woody on his future feature film debut! (too many f's!) I look forward to seeing three handsome men on screen very soon...
I still love John Olerud. Wish he had played out his career with the Mets.
GWPDA, well said.
I just need to point this out: young Rosie is walking around with a raw potato and is gnawing on it right now.
Last week it was a pretzel and a bottle of whiskey, IIRC.
It figures that the best thing I've read here all night should come from someone who isn't lying in wait to splutter out "FRIST!" or "My cat's got a thorn in its paw!"
It was a dog and it was cancer that she most likely has in her shoulder. This after a year when I have lost an aunt and four out of five people around me have had a very serious health condition.
Toby, do you like snakes? They told me that they like you. And they are hungry.
Probably as many as there are Democrats who don't care about the future of our political or intellectual culture and want all borders erased.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.30.05 - 9:18 pm | #
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what little "political or intellectual culture" we have here isn't worth shit.
BTW -- how'd a girl puppy get a name like 'Hank'?
Short for Hannebelle.
G:
The only actual and documented harm caused comes as a result of the expense of caring for them when they are harmed crossing the border - and that expense is born by the border towns and counties, not by somebody in Backofbeyond Ohio worrying about seeing a Mesikin.
What the hell are you talking about? Once they're here, they're here: the kids get schooling, they all get health care, they get food stamps and subsidized housing, etc. They work for low wages and a lot of it's off the books. You think they're paying withholding and SS?
This is the Bracero Program Cubed and Squared. This is the end of the America that Lincoln promised the world.
I have to say I use undocumented workers. Its one way to get around the federal payroll tax. plus they work their asses off to make money. They usually have a very good attitude and just do what they're told, no bitching.
"Unacknowledged"?! Jesus!"
Yes, officially unacknowledged, you jackass.
It figures that the best thing I've read here all night should come from someone who isn't lying in wait to splutter out "FRIST!" or "My cat's got a thorn in its paw!"
Toby's jealous that animals sense his evil and won't go near him.
Olaf:
what little "political or intellectual culture" we have here isn't worth shit.
Right. Because great Americans like you spend your time tearing down everything.
I still heart Cronkite
Yes everybody, anti-immigration rhetoric is racism, yes, the effective way to deal with the problem is to punish the employers (exploiters) of illegals -- which is why it will never happen
Keep up the rhetoric to fire up the base -- do nothing so the people who actually run the Repuke Party can continue to exploit labor
OTOH -- when NAFTA was cooking, the OLD AFL-CIO would have been down in Mexico organizing the work force because there IS an international "brotherhood" (sorry "brother & sister hood doesn't work -- siblinghood is worse) of labor -- it is wrong to exploit poor people no matter where they were born or where they live
No, seriously. Liberals (and some Republican presidents) recognize that there is a porous, wink-wink border and a whole lotta dishonesty about this argument that borders are sacred, nobody can cross without the right forms and the 20 relatives to vouch for them and the whole fuckin bit.
The big disconnect is this:
Most Americans have no fucking clue how totally fucked the immigration service is. It's underfunded, understaffed, and a political punchbag; its rules are often self-contradictory and enforced differently based upon who you're talking to and the phase of the moon.
If you're a well-educated English speaker, it's just a tortuous, often humiliating Kafkaesque process to get a green card. (I just had to get an immigration medical ($300, cash only) that checked me out for fifteen different sexually-transmitted diseases. Way to go, USA.)
Compare it, say, to the transparent process in Canada and Australia, and the mind boggles.
In North Carolina, you have pols who want to enact 'anti-illegal' legislation that will punish people following the rules. It's easy, because no-one ever lost a vote by bashing immigrants, save from the citizens married to them.
So, frankly, I admire illegal immigrants in the US. They're delivering a hearty fuck-you to a dysfunctional system.
you see that my glass is empty -- a tragedy -- especially with Guiness a $7.00 a pint!
Prior Aelred
An unspeakable horror on 2 levels.
This is the Bracero Program Cubed and Squared. This is the end of the America that Lincoln promised the world.
crawl back to the sewer from which you came. nobody wants to hear your racist claptrap around here.
And take the damned potato out of Rosie's fist - you might as well just mainline sugar and ethnically absurd punchlines.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
This is the only part of the magnificent rant I disagree with.
Immigration status is a political artifact. This country grew on the backs of immigrants. There's no more reason to think they're 'bad' now than there was 200 years ago.
Raw potatos are actually a good thing. More fiber than sugars.
off to Chinese buffet and then to see Serenity!
Linus Pauling's claims re vitamin C were never substantiated
Part of that is due to Ewan Cameron being unwilling to turn their C therapy program into a clinical trial, as it would mean depriving half of his elderly patients of their dosage, and giving them a placebo. He had seen such good results with high dosages that he didn't have the heart to do that to them.
Toby, get off my cock. There's also a conservative conundrum on illegal immigration. With illegal immigration, there's downward pressure on wages. That's good. Without it, there's upward pressure on wages. That's bad.
I really feel that this is an issue that is not easily split out. Maybe someone else has a better answer.
Todd:
Toby's jealous that animals sense his evil and won't go near him.
That's only true of small children. They don't like me because I don't go in for their cutesy-poo bullshit.
But Left-leaning Democrats are opposed to borders and want everybody from the second and third worlds to come and take a drag off of Uncle Sucker's joint.
Christ, you are a putz, Toby. Did you ever even read what it says on the Statue of Liberty? Do you actually know any Mexicans? Do you think they really all live on welfare, cabron?
They work harder than any other people I know, and they are more honest, too. They are also quite a bit less xenophobic than the Chinese. They are without a doubt a big plus to our economy. And to our culture. It's cheeto-munching shitheels like you, with your arrogant attitudes and sense of entitlement who are the problem, Toby. You empower this malignant oligarchy that seems to be determined to pull our whole beloved country into the toilet, because somehow you think you're one of them.
The Mexicans, on the other hand, are just trying to do an honest day's work for an honest day's pay, like good Americans.
Toby, I want you in my mouth NOW.
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make it clear that stopping "illegal" immigration is as easy as stopping "illegal" drug trade
I know what ur saying!
Stop making them 'illegal'!
Sad to say, but it's needed deal that works for both.
Why fight it?
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it is wrong to exploit poor people no matter where they were born or where they live
So good, it deserved to be posted twice.
Last week it was a pretzel and a bottle of whiskey, IIRC.
NTodd
Begorrah!!
My Wild Irish Rosie.
That's only true of small children. They don't like me because I don't go in for their cutesy-poo bullshit.
And now his sadness over never being able to reproduce bubbles to the surface.
Anyone who claims to be concerned about the effects of immigration on U.S. political and intellectual culture is, as historian GWPDA points out, simply highlighting his racism.
Short for Hannebelle.
Echidne of the snakes
Pretty puppy name.
out of here to see Serenity.
if you aren't gonna ignore the Brwonshirt be sure to punch him. Fascists rule us because enough decent people didn't stand up to their thuggery.
later
lavalamp..great kitty pics
Smalfish:
They usually have a very good attitude and just do what they're told, no bitching.
So Simon Fucking LeGree has a reason to use a pseudonym after all.
What brave fucking souls I've come to engage.
So I saw Serenity this evening...
Can we please not turn this thread into "All About Toby?"
God, what a waste of time.
Christ - Why on earth should I give a damn if my gardener is legal or illegal?
-gwpda
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my attitude was always that since la migra never sent anyone around to where i worked to help me get the trucks loaded and unloaded, i sure as hell wasn't going to help them catch illegals.
offended cocksuckers, and for this I apologize.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari
Hahahahahaha. Get over it, cocksucker.
bigvic
Get over what? The small size of your brain or of your cock? Get over it? Didn't even notice, until you mentioned it.
offended cocksuckers, and for this I apologize.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-jafaari
Hahahahahaha. Get over it, cocksucker.
bigvic
Get over what? The small size of your brain or of your cock? Get over it? Didn't even notice, until you mentioned it.
This country grew on the backs of immigrants. There's no more reason to think they're 'bad' now than there was 200 years ago.
Thank you.
And bigots like Tobes existed then, too.
He really hasn't evolved at all, the little monkey.
Hecate --
Thanks!
How's the rug?
Doozer--somehow, I don't think Fruney would let anyone get in front of her.
Sallyh
Suuure she will! How else can she jump on you?
Of course she's got a mean sideways jump that, someday perhaps, I'll capture on fillum. Someday...
Anyone who claims to be concerned about the effects of immigration on U.S. political and intellectual culture is, as historian GWPDA points out, simply highlighting his racism.
monica_nyc
Word.
Anybody watching Larry King tonight.
Cronkite just appeared and stated that it is time to leave Iraq.
I just need to point this out: young Rosie is walking around with a raw potato and is gnawing on it right now.
Can we get a picture?
Karin
I love it when they find something they like and carry it around in thier mouths from place to place.
(well not a little snake or a dead bird)
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It all may come down to a frieghtening possibility -- what if there isn't enough to go around? I think most thoughtfull people would agree that there isn't enough energy and other resources currently available to enable every man woman and child on earth to live as the wealthiest do. Back off the lifestyles of the top 10% and there still isn't enough to get everyone to that level either.
Now, the basic rightwing answer these days is "Every man for himself, devil take the hindmost, where's my gun?" That kind of psudo-Darwinist ideology is behind all this talk from the so called "free-market" crowd. The leftwing answer is--well, there's that problem, the left doesn't have an answer. The really, really leftwing -- i.e. communists, rely on as unrealistic a model of human behavior in order for their vision to be realized as do the fascist totalitarian master race crowd. Both camps can be summed up with the thought "Our plans would work if only 'THOSE' people weren't allowed to mess them up. We just have different ways of classifying who "those" people are. Now, there aren't very many dyed-in-the-wool Communists here (Socialists, yeah, we got those) but if we were somehow able to redistribute everything equally, I don't imagine many of us would be terrible pleased with the results.
Might may not make right philosophically but might very often makes it so . I doubt we shall ever be able to argue our way into power -- into office occasionaly but not into power. If there isn't enough to go around, our way is doomed to fail too. We shall not avoid conflict born of scarcity -- fear will always rule that situation. We dread such a thing, our political counterparts count on it.
blerb:
Did you ever even read what it says on the Statue of Liberty?
Yeah. I don't recall Emma Lazarus being the final authority on US immigration policy.
The REpublicans aren't going to squat about illegal immigration no matter how much their base froths about it. We all know why. The twits who vote for them don't.
when NAFTA was cooking, the OLD AFL-CIO would have been down in Mexico organizing the work force because there IS an international "brotherhood" (sorry "brother & sister hood doesn't work -- siblinghood is worse) of labor -- it is wrong to exploit poor people no matter where they were born or where they live
And CAFTA, same goes. But, oddly enough, some U.S. corporations are opposing CAFTA.
And, yeah, internationalized organized labor is a reasonable response to the prevalence of borderless capital.
Anyone who claims to be concerned about the effects of immigration on U.S. political and intellectual culture is, as historian GWPDA points out, simply highlighting his racism.
Concur wholeheartedly. What is our nation if not a synthesis of different cultures, languages, worldviews, politics and ideals? Did Germany reap the benefits of jewy Jews like Einstein, or did we? National/racial purity is nonsense, and dangerous nonesense at that.
Goodnight, sweet Batses. I am on the road until Sunday afternoon or night.
Have a lovely weekend,
and have sweet dreams.
Pie:
He really hasn't evolved at all, the little monkey.
What, are you channeling Howard Cosell?
Christ, you are a putz, Toby. Did you ever even read what it says on the Statue of Liberty?
Next to the label that say "Made in France."
I love it when they find something they like and carry it around in thier mouths from place to place.
That's a good analogy for how Toby does his posts.
pizza's tasty.
just sayin.
So I saw Serenity this evening...
The Old Man From Scene 24
And?
No spoilers, please.
Yeah. I don't recall Emma Lazarus being the final authority on US immigration policy.
You've never been to Ellis Island, have you.
it is wrong to exploit poor people no matter where they were born or where they live
Prior Aelred -9:29 pm
yes, padre...d'accord...
nixon told haldeman it would be wrong to divert funds from the campaign to pay off the plumbers and buy their silence: "It would be wrong..."--and then did it anyway...
exploitation is just about the wrongest kind of think you can do, to man or beast, probably...
but these economic power imbalances exist, are fostered, exaggerated, celebrated by the oligarchs.
the system itself is too huge to overturn piecemeal...
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Mexico is sui generis, you self-righteous degenerates. It has the proximity to us that none of these other countries that have fed our population have had. That's the first thing you need to process.
Cronkite just appeared and stated that it is time to leave Iraq.
If Dubya's lost Cronkite...no, wait...
This country grew on the backs of immigrants. There's no more reason to think they're 'bad' now than there was 200 years ago.
My dad once went off on one of his rants about Pakistani immigrants now living in the terraced houses that he grew up in and around, complaining about them turning a disused church into a mosque.
I pointed out that those terraces, when he was a child, were home to Irish and Italian immigrants and their families, who built Catholic churches and went to Irish and Italian clubs to preserve their heritage, and were equally discriminated against when they arrived. Families like his, and by extension, mine.
It gave him plenty of pause for thought.
I wrote part of my doctoral thesis on Jonathan Swift; and Bill Bennett is no Jonathan Swift.
pseudonymous in nc
jebus jim, is everyone here a dr.?
bill bennett showed his true colors, the prevailing notion in the GOP from what i can determine.
personally, i don't think they are all that keen on poor whites either.
So I saw Serenity this evening...
Toby's diaper?
Tena:
Have a good trip. See you in Dallas next week.
Punchin out for now. Ketchup yall later.
Pie:
You've never been to Ellis Island, have you.
I was there when I was seven. Does that count?
It is said that FDR (my favorite president) once began an address to the DAR, "My fellow immigrants..."
The illegals stole this land from the Indians -- The religious fanatics & criminals have been trying to keep the darker skinned "others" out ever since (US immigration policiy has always been racist -- now they try to conceal it is all)
In East TN all the ATMs have both English and Hispanic language buttons to press. Many Catholic churches have Hispanic masses. Grocery stores have added new shelves of Mexican foods. This is in East Tennessee.
What, are you channeling Howard Cosell?
Tobes, you're a monkey. No doubt about it. You haven't evolved.
What the hell are you talking about? Once they're here, they're here: the kids get schooling, they all get health care, they get food stamps and subsidized housing, etc. They work for low wages and a lot of it's off the books. You think they're paying withholding and SS?
-toby petzold
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all the ones i know are. they have legitimate jobs that they got using fake green cards ($75 on the street in dc. you don't even have to know anybody, just ask around.)
Anybody watching Larry King tonight.
Cronkite just appeared and stated that it is time to leave Iraq.
Buck
Uh, oh! We just lost Cronkite agin. Buh bye Iraq. Buh bye, Boosh.
Mexico is sui generis, you self-righteous degenerates. It has the proximity to us that none of these other countries that have fed our population have had.
Zuni? Blackfoot? Anasazi?
Really, Tobes, you should fuck off to the middle of Idaho.
It has the proximity to us that none of these other countries that have fed our population have had. That's the first thing you need to process.
Toby Petzold
EEEeeeeKKKK!!!
They live right next door!!!
Bad. Bad. Bad.
Mexico is sui generis, you self-righteous degenerates. It has the proximity to us that none of these other countries that have fed our population have had. That's the first thing you need to process.
Your point being?
It also so happens that we stole the best part of it from them for no good reason in the last century. It's only fair to ghive them a little bit of it back, isn't it?
I was there when I was seven. Does that count?
Were you smarter at seven?
Next to the label that say "Made in France."
"Just like the American Republic"
"Mexico is sui generis, you self-righteous degenerates. It has the proximity to us that none of these other countries that have fed our population have had. That's the first thing you need to process."
Yes, you begin to understand.
Shorter Toby: don't you know how close the brown people are?
Administration Nominee to Relief Agency Draws Criticism
By Ken Silverstein
Times Staff Writer
5:36 PM PDT, September 30, 2005
WASHINGTON — Less than a month after the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency stepped down amid accusations of cronyism and incompetence, the Bush administration is being assailed for nominating another political ally to head a key agency for responding to foreign disasters.
One leading international relief group publicly is opposing the appointment of Ellen Sauerbrey to the U.S. State Department's Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration, and others have expressed private concerns over her lack of experience in emergency response work.
Sauerbrey, a former member of the Republican National Committee who was Bush's Maryland state campaign chairwoman in 2000, is serving as the U.S. representative to the U.N. commission on the status of women.
If confirmed by the Senate, which has not set a date for a hearing, Sauerbrey would head an agency with a $700 million annual budget that has responsibility for coordinating the U.S. government's response to refugee crises during natural disasters and wars.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nati...-home-
headlines
"National/racial purity is nonsense, and dangerous nonesense at that." --
NTodd
Not to mention the fact that that ship done sailed a long time ago.
and giving them a placebo
I've never understood this placebo stuff. If there is such a thing as a placebo effect in a double blind test wouldn't the subjects recieving the placebo also display a placebo effect? And even if you figure that into your tabulation, how do you know what the size of it is? Is the percentage of people displaying the placebo effect relatively constant over the course of different studies or is it variable? If it is constant why use placebos in further studies and if it is variable how can you ever know how it figures into the tests of effective drugs or treatments?
And we can get into the origin of the concept.
I don't buy it.
Shorter Toby: "I see brown people."
proud cocksucker
Hi,
My names agave.
U cum here much?
Haven't we met before?
What's ur sign?
Did u go to Wayne High School?
Nice wheather, Huh?
(hey, where u going?)
ZOEYS HOME!
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And?
It was fucking brillinat! I had high expectations and they were exceeded. Sure there are some thing I could quibble over, but overall it was very very good.
With characters and writing like that they could make an excellent TV show out it... (har)
I won't spoil anything, but some big questions are answered but some are not, and at the end lets just say some things change and some things stay the same...
yes, what monica nyc said. I understand the low wage argument(not that I necessarily agree with it), but there IS no American political/intellectual culture without immigration.
Can we please not turn this thread into "All About Toby?"
Too late...
Todd, no one should be talking about racial purity. But people who come here should get a few things straight. For one thing, speak the Queen's English, goddammit.
Secondly: don't come here if you aren't going to do it legally.
fucking tribe is gripping it...again...
and to make matters worse, so are the skankies..
tribe picked a fine time to quit hitting...
I pointed out that those terraces, when he was a child, were home to Irish and Italian immigrants and their families...
Fucking Micks and Wops! If we let them in, the'll ruin EVERTHING!
Republican- having only two colors left in your box of crayons.
SSquirell
Priceless...
Prior,
I've been scrubbing it. I love this cat, but, jeez. She does it on purpoe, too, and knows she shouldn't. It's not as if she doesn't have two, count them, two perfectly clean nice litter boxes....
"With Owen out, conservatives have lost one of the better women on the short list."
List or bus?
For one thing, speak the Queen's English, goddammit.
Oh, good lord.
"Uh, oh! We just lost Cronkite again." -- bigvic
I wonder how many more wars he's going to be the barometer for.
Make that wouldn't the subjects recieving the drug or treatment also show the placebo effect.
Non placebo oculos meos.
mer --
ARE YOU FROM HAWKINS COUNTY?
Tena -- (waves)
Ya'll drive careful now, ya hear?
We wil miss you until your return (when you will have broadband -- SIGH!)
blerb:
It also so happens that we stole the best part of it from them for no good reason in the last century. It's only fair to ghive them a little bit of it back, isn't it?
No, we took it from them fair and square. Remember when there used to be a point to fighting a war?
Secondly: don't come here if you aren't going to do it legally.
Then those meat-packing plants in the Midwest better stop bringing them up.
For one thing, speak the Queen's English, goddammit.
This is parody gold (unless he means the borough of Queens)!
"For one thing, speak the Queen's English, goddammit."
Really? Like, as soon as you land? So all those Cubans, Vietnamese, Laotians, East Europeans, and the others that righties love should have been what? Turned back? Drowned? What?
I don't do Toby, not my department.
What the hell are you talking about? Once they're here, they're here: the kids get schooling, they all get health care, they get food stamps and subsidized housing, etc.
See, this is what I mean about Americans having no fucking clue about immigration law. Or, for that matter, GOPwits having no fucking clue about what it takes for natural-born, red-white-and-blue-blooded Americans to get state benefits.
"The kids" are American citizens. You want to repeal the fourteenth amendment while you're at it?
Because it's pretty fucking hilarious for conservatives to proclaim that being born in the USA bestows special rights, freedoms and privileges, and then want to withhold them to the wrong sort of babies.
Hey, A-man, maybe you could schedule a "Toby Thread" and/or an "Avestus Thread" or whatever every evening for the inveterate Trollfeeders among us. And the rest of us could just kinda like skip those. Threadbot3000 could handle that, right?
If there isn't enough to go around, our way is doomed to fail too. We shall not avoid conflict born of scarcity -- fear will always rule that situation. We dread such a thing, our political counterparts count on it.
There *is* enough to go around [apart from oil, eventually]. The problem is the distribution of resources, which must be kept out of any kind of reasonable balance to reinforce the power of the ruling elite by affording them ready propaganda tools that appeal to fear.
"Fucking Micks and Wops! If we let them in, the'll ruin EVERTHING!' --
NTodd
Shhhh. The people on Liberal Mountain will hear you.
No, we took it from them fair and square. Remember when there used to be a point to fighting a war?
Good times, good times.
'moutta here, hate-filled moonbats. See
ya on the flip...
pseudo:
Really, Tobes, you should fuck off to the middle of Idaho.
Yeah, okay. We've always gotta remember the Indians. God love 'em.
"Uh, oh! We just lost Cronkite agin. Buh bye Iraq. Buh bye, Boosh.
bigvic"
oh, it's much worse then that...chimpy lost Drum a few weeks ago...
the horrah, the horrah
No, we took it from them fair and square
Like Hitler took Poland, the Netherlands, and France, you mean?
For one thing, speak the Queen's English, goddammit.
yeah here in pa lots of polish miners never learned english. but died nevertheless from blacklung and mine accidents as their bodies were used up by the man. the third generation actually got to go to college.
t is said that FDR (my favorite president) once began an address to the DAR, "My fellow immigrants..."
A Sister Souljah moment if there ever was one....
"(unless he means the borough of Queens)!" -- spinoza
Whatchu sayin! We's got mad English skills up in 'ere.
Hecate --
Trouble is -- once an animal posts, it is likely to go in the same spot again -- instinctual urges can sometimes overwhelm good intentions
Why is anyone talking to Toby?
Because it's pretty fucking hilarious for conservatives to proclaim that being born in the USA bestows special rights, freedoms and privileges, and then want to withhold them to the wrong sort of babies.
Like the guy who was seized in Aghanistan when he went to go find a wife, was put in Gitmo and then they found out he was citizen because he was born in the USA, then they stuck him in solitary for two years and only let him out when he signed a paper "voluntarily" giving up his citizenship and then he got a one way ticket to Saudi?
Marcia, scale counts for a lot. Proportion and concentration count, too. Maybe the old brahmins in Boston recoiled at all those Irish, but their numbers were finite and their influx was under far greater control.
The supply of Mexicans is practically inexhaustible. And it doesn't require two months in steerage to get here, either.
Well, Tobes, if nothing else (and really, there's nothing else) you've shown us once again why there will not be an intelligent discussion about immigration any time soon. Thanks for that, I guess.
No, we took it from them fair and square. Remember when there used to be a point to fighting a war?
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.30.05 - 9:44 pm | #
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Thankfully, there still is. In Iraq, we are freeing a nation and a region. Toby understands this and liberals do not. Toby, can you please think of me while you are sucking off Sean Hannity?
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Shhhh. The people on Liberal Mountain will hear you.
Oh, don't get me started on the Hebes...
Okay, on that Tobes-inspired note, I am really leaving. My hate-filled animals are bored and need attention.
Another Pledge of Allegiance
I pledge no allegiance
To the court appointed unelected regents
( G W Bush and Dick Cheney )
Of the United States of America
For which they use the flag
To make a political grandstand.
I make my pledge
To the United States
And its constitution instead.
Not getting your legislation passed? Do it my way for once. Read my plan here.
http://tinyurl.com/8ghl8
http://revolution-nine.spreadshirt.com
Where Republicans tread, innocent people end up dead.
monica_nyc, point taken -- an artificially generated shortage is still a shortage. I mean, look what we pay for water to drink from a bottle! If someone had told me this 30 years ago I'd have laughed in his face.
Like Hitler took Poland, the Netherlands, and France, you mean?
blerb
You could always throw in a few digs at Bavarians, that's where "Petzold" comes from.
Those Bavarians.
Well, blerb, if you think your country is such a bunch of murderous racists, then why don't you exit stage left?
Trouble is -- once an animal posts, it is likely to go in the same spot again -- instinctual urges can sometimes overwhelm good intentions
Why is anyone talking to Toby?
Sorry, I peed on him once, and now I can't help it.
And now I'm really leaving.
Right, pseudo in nc, the idea that illegals are getting all these benefits is laughable.
Shit, if I could get health care just by being illegal, I would give up my citizenship and start wading the Rio Grande right now.
My family comes from Schwerin-Mecklenburg, E.
it is said that FDR (my favorite president) once began an address to the DAR, "My fellow immigrants..."
We really need and FDR about now. Cool quote.
Marica B,
Yep, Cronkite marks another humiliating defeat for America. Another Texan blew it to smithereenes.
Hecate : see your vet...oftentimes this can be cured. Our frankiesackohammers sprayed once or twice, but we used some stuff and he hasn't since...
Prior thinks I'm an animal, eh? How brotherly.
"Those Bavarians." -- EPT
Good beer, though.
"mer --
ARE YOU FROM HAWKINS COUNTY?"
No, actually from Hennipen. Minneapolis, Minnesota.
My parents moved to TN when I was a young thing (my father's job). I'm now in Knox Co., trying to fight the good fight.
Maybe the old brahmins in Boston recoiled at all those Irish, but their numbers were finite and their influx was under far greater control.
Moron.
Well, blerb, if you think your country is such a bunch of murderous racists, then why don't you exit stage left?
Toby Petzold
maybe we got together, bought a buch of weapons and are going to come after you, or not.
on Cronkite
http://badattitudes.com/MT/archi...ves/
003108.html
Said he was playing singles tennis until three years ago when he pulled his achilles.
Still quite sharp.
Look for the transcript tomorrow at CNN transcripts and spread the word.
In East TN all the ATMs have both English and Hispanic language buttons to press. Many Catholic churches have Hispanic masses. Grocery stores have added new shelves of Mexican foods. This is in East Tennessee.
mer
Not really an OT response, BUT
An ATM I use, talks to you:
In a British accent!
In TX.
(ofcourse alotta(burger?) Spanish here)
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Why is anyone talking to Toby?
I duno, cuz it fun baiting him?
Cuz nobody else has said anyhing particularly worth commenting on?
Unlike, say, Avestus, Ruprecht, or Moron, he acually seems to want to convince people of his point of view. S it's pretty easy to start arguing with him.
How about this -- you say something controversial and I'll argue with you instead!
All this discussion of American racism reminds me of the Jekyl/Hyde nature of this country -- such high ideals & such profound racism (the wound of the legacy of slavery may never heal) -- we do have a vision that is most laudable (mostly stolen from the Enlightenment Whigs of England) but we also have a blind shadow that has "innocently" perpetrated ghastly crimes against humanity (generally brown people)
"Prior thinks I'm an animal, eh?"
And everyone else thinks you're an asshole. Go figger.
San Diego municipal bonds are now rated lower than Tijauna's.
After Katrina, Mexican troops came in trucks with supplies to help us. They only left San Antonio on Wed.
All this carping about Mexicans coming here and ruining the country is misguided.
We are becoming more and more like Mexico not because the Mexicans are coming here, but because the ruling class in the US is becoming like the Mexican ruling class, a kleptocracy.
There's a saying in Mexico (but it is in Spanish), "Behind every rich man is a thief."
My family comes from Schwerin-Mecklenburg, E.
Toby Petzold
Oh, they emigrated North, did they?
Sorry, I peed on him once, and now I can't help it.
Well, blerb, if you think your country is such a bunch of murderous racists, then why don't you exit stage left?
Why don't you take your racist ass and fnd a new home instead, and leave this one to those that are willing to put a foot foward, instead of trying to relive the wretched past?
Just get bent, toby.
An ATM I use, talks to you:
In a British accent!
I once hit the wrong button on an ATM in Chinatown and got Chinese characters. I couldn't figure out how to exit and was sure I'd wind up totally screwing up my account. Eventually, it timed out and spit my card back at me. Thankfully.
n East TN all the ATMs have both English and Hispanic language buttons to press. Many Catholic churches have Hispanic masses. Grocery stores have added new shelves of Mexican foods. This is in East Tennessee.
Let us know when it starts spitting out pesos.
damn this just showed up as 0 comments, my knee hurts.
" In East TN all the ATMs have both English and Hispanic language buttons to press." -- mer
We have ATMs with English, Greek, Spanish, Russian, and sometimes Chinese here. And you can attach a headset if you're hearing impaired.
Hey Tooby,
Let's make a deal. I'll go along with you on immigration controls when you personally find enough American citizens in San Diego to fill all the empty dish washing jobs.
What you say gringo?
How about this -- you say something controversial and I'll argue with you instead!
blerb
Texas is the best state in the onion!
The Bengal are gonna do good!
Lima beans are yummy!
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You could always throw in a few digs at Bavarians, that's where "Petzold" comes from.
Those Bavarians.
Bavaria ia actually kind of a "red state;" lots of conservatives, also shocking sexual education ignorance for a European country. Fuck the Bavarians, the good beer's in Czech Republic anyway.
Why is anyone talking to Toby?
Well, I'd rather be talking aboug placebos but they don't please anyone else tonight.
My ATM has Braille.
We really need to stop this illegal immigration of blind people.
an artificially generated shortage is still a shortage
Well, I don't agree, catalexis. It isn't a shortage; it's a political tactic. And your point about water is especially apt because, after oil -- or maybe even on a par with oil -- the availability and control of sources of potable water is *the* issue of this century, the last and the next.
blerb --
I haven't said anythnig controversial?
"She does it on purpoe, too, and knows she shouldn't. It's not as if she doesn't have two, count them, two perfectly clean nice litter boxes...."
--Hecate
My cat has been doing the same thing. I've put a towel on the floor close to the litter box, and she goes for that now.
The supply of Mexicans is practically inexhaustible. And it doesn't require two months in steerage to get here, either.
Toby Petzold | Email | Homepage | 09.30.05 - 9:48 pm | #
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you should keep in mind that mexicans, at least in my experience, don't really like it here. they prefer mexico. many of them come here to work and save money to buy a piece of land or start a business in mexico. and then they leave. others come here, leave, come back over and over again. a lot of the numbers for mexican immigration are inflated because in a lot of cases the same person is coming here 5 or 6 times.
Well, blerb, if you think your country is such a bunch of murderous racists, then why don't you exit stage left?
.......(Gasp!).......
Cough! cough! Wheeeeeeze!
Oh, man, you're killing me!
How about, because somebody has to stick around and fight for what's right? Amazingly, whn confronted with inevitable moral choices, in the end this country has always done what's right, albeit as a last resort.
I'm staying here to help make sure that keeps happening.
an artificially generated shortage is still a shortage
No, it's extortion.
You should keep in mind that mexicans, at least in my experience, don't really like it here.
Too many assholes.
Yeah, okay. We've always gotta remember the Indians. God love 'em.
Toby Petzold |
gee thanks fuckwit, my dad was born & raised on the reservation at Stilwater Ok.
Toby, I want your dick. Why will you not give me it?
Toby is Snagglepuss?
Bavaria is to Germany what the deep South is to the US.
My father was from Germany, and he still complains bitterly that the northern industrial part of the country, which never voted for Hitler(the majority were Social Democrats or Communists) got bombed to smithereens during the war, while the Bavarians, who were more pro-Nazi, got off easy.
I haven't said anythnig controversial?
Well, not lately, anyway. Perhaps I didn't read far enough upthread?
"Well, I'd rather be talking aboug placebos but they don't please anyone else tonight." -- EPT
Good band. I enjoyed their cover of 20th Century Boy. Cute eyelinered Brian Molco lead vocalist pleases me.
Lima beans are yummy!
I'm warning you! Those are fighting words!
We really need and FDR about now.
Things are so bad, I'd settle for Nixon. At least he wasn't a total fucking moron. That said, the way the Republicans are stupidly playing chicken with the deficit, we'll need an FDR II to pull ourselves out the depression that their antics are setting up to happen at about the time the crown prince of fools leaves office.
These conservatives are always up in arms about people from Latin America coming here to find opportunity, a positive virtue in people from Eastern Europe. Long as they're not from too far south.
If the oligarchs in the United States and elsewhere hadn't spent so much time exploiting and oppressing people in Latin America they'd probably be able to develop their economies and do what just about everyone else does. Stay home.
mer --
Knox County? -- Did they ever put any roads in there yet?
(I'm from Appalachia myself -- my Momma sounds like Dolly Parton -- never looked like her, though)
We have ATMs with English, Greek, Spanish, Russian, and sometimes Chinese here. And you can attach a headset if you're hearing impaired.
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison
NY?
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Well, blerb, if you think your country is such a bunch of murderous racists, then why don't you exit stage left?
Toby Petzold
instead, why don't we take assholes like you out. i never get into this with you. it's a blog but in real time mother fucker it's not all just talk. some are willing to fight for what they believe in.
it's still just talk right now dumbass, but when the blood starts to flow, remember, your side drew first blood. it's not supposed to be your country, it's our country.
fuck you, go die in hole you worthless piece of shit.
*stetching hand up and waiving furiously*
Umm-uh-uh-ummm.....
"Yes, what is it?"
"Is it all right to talk about the troll so long as we don't actually talk to it?
"Well, that could be problematic as the troll would still be in the general audience and could simply assume that comments made about it might just as well have been made to it and would then take it upon itself to respond as though you had addressed it directly."
But, it's annoying!
"Yes, it is, like an infected chigger bite or something, and if you scratch it it will just get worse. So that's it, finale! No talking to or about the troll. No loose talk about its obvious pedestrian and lascivious passtimes. No double entendre jokes about its 'handle' (like that one), in short just stop it. All of you."
Can we draw pictures?
"All right."
Toby, why won't you respond to my seductive wigglings and poses? I want you to want MY COCK!
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Lima beans are yummy!
Not as yummy as okra, however!
Toby: the minute we start treating people from THERE as less than those from HERE, America stops existing, as a city on a hill, for the entire world. If we can't or won't provide the dream of a bettter life, all our advertising's ineffective and untrue. Do we wanna be "old America" yet?
Toby, if you do not swear you will be my lover forever I will have to post those photos.
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Toby, if you do not swear you will be my lover forever I will have to post those photos.
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"She does it on purpoe, too, and knows she shouldn't. It's not as if she doesn't have two, count them, two perfectly clean nice litter boxes...."
--Hecate
Our cat had a urinary problem caused by her food that made her act like this. The vet put her on some dry food (can't remember the brand) and the problem went away.
Lima beans are yummy!
I'm warning you! Those are fighting words!
blerb
Put 'em Dude!
Put ur mouth where the beans are!
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Bavaria is to Germany what the deep South is to the US.
-karin
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i've heard that austrians are even worse. more than one german has told me that austrians are german hillbillies.
"NY?" --
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agave
Why, yes. Astoria.
catalexis
But you talked about it.
I'll go along with you on immigration controls when you personally find enough American citizens in San Diego to fill all the empty dish washing jobs.
He's just pissed off that the Tijuana hookers haven't crossed the border yet.
Hey there. I need cheering up. Today was my last paycheck. For me and thousands of other New Orleans workers whose employers committed to 30 days. Just got an email from my firm. Unless I get my ass to Baton Rouge (where there is no place to live) I will no longer be permitted to work via the net.
This fucking sucks.
Toby: the minute we start treating people from THERE as less than those from HERE, America stops existing, as a city on a hill, for the entire world.
Illegal Immigrants: Providing Lawncare for the City on the Hill for over Fifty Years.
i've heard that austrians are even worse. more than one german has told me that austrians are german hillbillies.
A free tip: never work with Austrians. I worked for a company with offices right across Europe, and the one branch guaranteed to fuck up any roll-out was the bloody Austrians.
Judy Miller has a voice for the silent movies
My mother heard her voice for the first time today on the radio. After a few minutes she said, "This isn't a joke? She sounds like a cartoon,".
Karin --
If the "Barvarians" (Br Bernard's pronunciation) had been clever enough to build factories, maybe we would have dumped more bombs on them
Berlin was never a Nazi city (ironic, isn't it?)
"She does it on purpoe, too, and knows she shouldn't. It's not as if she doesn't have two, count them, two perfectly clean nice litter boxes...."
--Hecate
so who's the boss? train yu're critter!!!!
Prior Aelred, we've got more roads and freeways than I know what to do with. All the money is going to roads. Funny that. With the price of gas, everyone is going to end up walking, since there is very little public transportation in Knoxville. Lucky me, I work at home.
Night, Moonbats! I am SO not setting the alarm for tomorrow.
Robert Frost - Immigrants
No ship of all that under sail or steam
Have gathered people to us more and more
But Pilgrim-manned the Mayflower in a dream
Has been her anxious convoy in to shore.
I missed all the Judy comments today, but my take away from the whole thing was that she only testified after Fitzgerald promised to only ask about a single source, Scooter Libby.
She said okay I guess because then she wouldn't have to talk about Mr. Mustache of Love.
My ATM has Braille.
Damn, touch-screen technology is much more advanced than I ever imagined...
"This fucking sucks." -- TJ
All I can say is I'm sorry.
i've heard that austrians are even worse. more than one german has told me that austrians are german hillbillies.
Then they are asshole Germans. There's plenty of those.
Fucking haloscan....
TJ,
If I win the lottery you'll be on my short list, OK?
If it's controversy you want this might be a good time to bring up frottage again.
Or maybe not.
On second thought, no one in this country that doesn't have a bunch of dollars is not lucky. Including me.
I have a friend whose family came over in the early eighteenth century. They stopped speaking German at home only in the generation before his.
Said he was playing singles tennis until three years ago when he pulled his achilles.
Still quite sharp.
Indeed!
Things are so bad, I'd settle for Nixon. At least he wasn't a total fucking moron.
Sad state of affairs to long for a Partially insane law breaker, eh?
Damn, TJ, sorry about that. Does it have to be Baton Rouge? If you're working via the net, why do they care where you are, or am I missing something?
TJ --
JEEBUS, I am sorry -- glad you got out, though -- is the going to Baton Rouge to register for something or do yu really have to establish residence -- will nothing temporary work? How about a job with Brown and Root (known unaffectionally in Iraq as "Burn and Loot")?
I once saw a Braille sign for "CAUTION! HOT! DO NOT TOUCH!"...
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I heard that all Germans are like either Colonel Klink or Sgt. Schultz.
Agave, Count me in on the people who find Fresh lima beans one of the tastiest of all vegetables.
Toby, please eat my manhood alive.
I am not actually gay, that would be evil, but those liberals do not understand that we have needs. Persecuted religious patriots as ourselves need to be loved too.
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Marcia, I think I heard it on NPR this week, that Queens Cty has more nationalities than any other county in the US.
i've heard that austrians are even worse. more than one german has told me that austrians are german hillbillies.
Not the cities! Vienna was the center of Jewish culture in Europe. But out in the sticks, yeah. Check out a book called The Right Hand of Sleep
Mer, you doing better this day?
(Or do I need to threaten you with my 279KB of jokes gleaned from the web?)
I have a friend whose family came over in the early eighteenth century. They stopped speaking German at home only in the generation before his.
Echidne of the snakes | Email | Homepage | 09.30.05 - 10:12 pm | #
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my grandfather was born in illinois around 1898. he spoke swedish until he started school. everyone in his town did.
"If it's controversy you want this might be a good time to bring up frottage again." -- EPT
Now there's something EVERYONE can get behind.
Back to the serious topic -- I guess I misspoke and certainly did not mean to imply that an artificially created shortage should be viewed the same as a real one -- just that the rhetoric used concerning the haves vs. the have nots would be similer.
I find myself being reminded of a scene in Ursala K. LeGuin's Dispossesed where a proudly communist society faced a food shortage and were ultimatly unable to live up to the philisophically pure unselfish model. Enough stress will break any social model -- I guess I find myself defending liberalism's inherent generosity against totalitarianism's premature capitulation to an ethos of desperation.
I've known some really nice Germans and even a few Austrians. I once had a teacher, a German Swiss named Kasper Schnitzler who as as cute as a button. He was very understanding of a bumpkin like me.
Now there's something EVERYONE can get behind.
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison
Hey, I'm ALL OVER the frottage thing...
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Unless I get my ass to Baton Rouge (where there is no place to live) I will no longer be permitted to work via the net.
Wow. That sounds severe. If you really want to keep working for that firm, can you move to some place near Baton Rouge and commute?
If not, can you file for unemployment insurance? Will the firm work with you to get those benefits?
Not the cities! Vienna was the center of Jewish culture in Europe. But out in the sticks, yeah. Check out a book called The Right Hand of Sleep
Divided By
I find myself being reminded of a scene in Ursala K. LeGuin's Dispossesed where a proudly
Equals
The Left Hand of Darkness
Does it have to be Baton Rouge? If you're working via the net, why do they care where you are, or am I missing something?
They're saying it's not feasible to work via the net anymore at all. It's just an excuse. No one in the firm has billed for a month--they need to start cutting costs, and I'm it. I'm the farthest away (other folks are in Houston, Dallas and Shreveport) and they're saying I have to find a place in Baton Rouge or go back to new orleans. With no schools for my kids. And no water or sewer services.
I have looked in something in BR for weeks now, with no luck. Plus the landlords are gouging people and requiring long lease terms. We simply aren't in the financial position to do that. My bosses bought houses there, they can't relate.
A bunch of other companies announced layoffs today. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Not the cities! Vienna was the center of Jewish culture in Europe. But out in the sticks, yeah. Check out a book called The Right Hand of Sleep
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i have also heard that vienna is the only city in the world where you can go into any restaurant and order a bowl of schlag, and they will just bring you one. no questions asked.
If it's controversy you want this might be a good time to bring up frottage again.
Well it does tend to rub some folks the wrong way...
"that Queens Cty has more nationalities than any other county in the US." -- Karin
Yes, we are the most ethnically diverse county in the country. Where I live there are a lot of beautiful Eastern European girls and beautiful Greek and Turkish boys.
Multiculturalism has its advantages.
OOOH!
Hecate is taking a Saturday off!
Saturday is a regular work day in the monastery (& I have several jobs filling in for others tomorrow)
Sunday is our holiday -- but we spend more time in church on Sundays than on normal days
mer -- just kidding -- one of the reasons that Lincoln wanted to recover western Tenn in "the Late Unpleasantness" was that it was pro-Union (certainly not suited to a slave based plantation economy) -- but the logitics were impossible -- no RR, no navigable rivers -- no decent roads -- a logistical nightmare
working at home -- do you get dental with that?
There was a Norwegian language newspaper printed a couple of towns over until the early 1960s, I believe... during the WWI years German speaking 'mericans were persecuted pretty damn mercilessly...
Fear & stupidity motivates way the fuck too many "patriotic Americans" these days.
Now there's something EVERYONE can get behind.
Not everyone! And isn't the idea to avoid that kind of thing?
I'm not kidding about it being controversial. People have come to blows just discussing it with their clothes on. Friendships and professional reputations have been ruined.
Imagine how bad it would be if it wasn't supposed to be fun.
Why, yes. Astoria.
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison
Wow!
(google map)
I'm rural (kinda sorta)
Spent some time in Brooklyn, near the 'river'. And a roof top party in Hoboken. Nice view from the 'backside' of the city.
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Why, yes. Astoria.
Marcia Brady,SaneByComparison
Wow!
(google map)
I'm rural (kinda sorta)
Spent some time in Brooklyn, near the 'river'. And a roof top party in Hoboken. Nice view from the 'backside' of the city.
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Hi monica. I'll have to file for disaster unemployment I guess. The deadline is October 7. I worry about all the folks who don't have access to the news and who aren't aware of that cutoff date.
Here's a good one. Poor George has been wronged!
CONSUMER GROUP CALLS BUSH A “LAWSUIT HYPOCRITE”
I guess I find myself defending liberalism's inherent generosity against totalitarianism's premature capitulation to an ethos of desperation.
Yeah, I think that is the crux of the problem. But the revolutionary totalitarians aren't capitulating: They are mobilizing for desperation.
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I like Austria, and I love Vienna. When I spent a couple months there, I went to the opera every single day, getting cheap seats by standing on line. It was so fucking great.
I've got to go to bed but if "thermy" shows up, it's gordon in drag. Be merciless.
Agave, Count me in on the people who find Fresh lima beans one of the tastiest of all vegetables.
DWD
like lima's love butter beans.
"OOOH!
Hecate is taking a Saturday off!"
Oh, those shiftless Pagans.
Vienna was the center of Jewish culture in Europe
Vieanna is one of the world's great cities, though often overlooked.
Five of the world's 14 8,000-meter mountains were first ascended by Austrians
They are mobilizing for desperation.
I need some hot cocoa.
And my blanky.
Grown-up reserves allllll gone. Need to go play and recharge.
Red Sox win, 5-3.
TJ --
That sucks!
mer --
I did a summer school after my nervous breakdown (thank you Nixon) with a bunch of Austrians -- they were a fun group -- when I drank enough I could speak German to them (they slurred all their endings so much that you didn't ned to know the grammar) -- I have always wanted to see Vienna & I don't even know why (all of my ancestry is from the British Isles)
"Nice view from the 'backside' of the city." -- agave
I have a view of Manhattan from my bedroom window (as well as Hellsgate Bridge), which makes Astoria better than Manhattan.
Red Sox win, 5-3."
fuck...oh well, tribe at least tied it and forced extra innings...c'mon tribe!
well i'm setting my alarm. i'm going to go watch a couple thousand hot air balloons all take off at once around dawn. then later i'm going to drink a bunch of new mexican wine. then when it gets dark i'm going to watch them glow on the groud. i'll take some pictures. i can sleep sunday.
I heard that all Germans are like either Colonel Klink or Sgt. Schultz.
And which of those were Einstein and Beethoven and Erich Remarque and Goethe and Heine and Schiller and Gunther Grass and Kant and Marx and Thomas Mann and Albert Schweitzer?
TJ Do you think you'll relocate? How many kids do you have? What is it you do for a living (if you said it earlier I missed it)
Seattle's not a bad place to be right now, depending on what you do.
Red
Hey! Why you cannin' on Austria?
TJ, again, I'm so sorry. That is just rough and awful.
Say something else bad about my homeland, and I'll shove this poker up your ass!
jdw --
Still around?
Red Sox win -- not good for the Tribe, right?
We ought to get Hargrove back...
If you think Austria is just a bunch of hilbillies, then your understanding of world culture is either inconsistent or incomplete!
Hey, cool stuff on BAGnewsnotes.
Interprets the different Bush cover photos for The Economist, as well as Karen Hughes' photos from her grand Mid East adventure.
http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/
"I once saw a Braille sign for "CAUTION! HOT! DO NOT TOUCH!"..."
I once saw a WRITTEN sign at the door of the state college, pa micky-d's that said 'braille menus available'.
You got that right, Kurt, or maybe you don't...
I did a summer school after my nervous breakdown (thank you Nixon)
Prior,
That is the funniest line I've read all night!
Nixon did a lot of dammage. And Vienna is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Keep hope alive!
If you think Austria is just a bunch of hilbillies, then your understanding of world culture is either inconsistent or incomplete!
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most of the really smart "austrians" were actually hungarians.
Ludvig Wittgenstein
Didja ever see the house he designed? I think it's occupied by an embassy now. I could live there; it's extremely stark.
Need to go play and recharge.
Makes emminent good sense to me. I just ordered Chinese food, and I'm gonna watch "Poltergeist" when it gets here.
Gotta recharge.
Bullshit! I was born in Salzburg!
Sallyh around this evening?
I love Vienna too, monica_nyc. Even though my mother and her brother had to leave there on the Kindertransport, and my ex-mother-in-law got kicked out of the Vienna Opera Ballet for being half Jewish.
Or maybe it was her other Romany half they didn't like.
evening Österreichers and Hochbats
My Miller/Franklin cartoon
We had TWO people decide to squeal on the overlords today. Both have interesting tales to tell.
And I was born in Vienna!
Nixon did a lot of dammage. And Vienna is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Keep hope alive!
bigvic
Yes it is, bigvic. But I couldn't believe that a Hooters is right there near St. Stevens.
Honest to Gott!
Zay zomezing elze bad about mein homeland, and I'll shove zis poker up your asch!
Ludvig Wittgenstein | 09.30.05 - 10:30 pm
der boy vass nodt bleyink gems...
Karin --
Einstein said something like if his theories of relativity proved correct, he would be a great German scientist -- if not, he would be some deluded Jew
It is WAY too late for me to be up -- g'nite Moonbats!
Me too! I was born in Vienna too!
"We had TWO people decide to squeal on the overlords today. Both have interesting tales to tell."
what did franklin get and what did he say?
Good night, fellow free thinkers. I need to sleep off this cold. You guys weren't kidding about its potency. I woke up with a bit of a sore throat and a cough and now I'm taking cold/flu medicine (and to get the cold/flu medicine at Target you have to show i.d. or they won't sell it to you.) Has anyone notice the staggering rise in Meth addiction under the current administration? Bush has fucking ruined everything. EVERYTHING!
. I worry about all the folks who don't have access to the news and who aren't aware of that cutoff date.
TJ
They cannot get away with shit like that! Family values, my ass!
Agave, Count me in on the people who find Fresh lima beans one of the tastiest of all vegetables.
DWD
like lima's love butter beans.
1Watt
Hey!
My Mom was (still here, doesn't cook much now) a wonderful 'cook'. Pies, great dinners, My Dad was into it to. He'd make the sauces, gravies, ect.
BUT
She always over cooked the veggies.
Damn, I hated Peas, I gagged on Lima beans once!
Shit, You just get them hot.
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Don't forget me! I was born in Vienna too!
Hey... It just occurred to me!
Most big white collar crimes are committed by ceo's and managers!
If we just forced all of their wives to have abortions, then crime would really drop!
Austria also gave us Billy Wilder, which makes up for Ahhnold.
And I forgot to mention Brecht and Weill and Lotte Lenya and Dietrich in my earlier list.
I was almost born in Vienna! Does that count?
Austria also gave us Billy Wilder, which makes up for Ahhnold.
And I forgot to mention Brecht and Weill and Lotte Lenya and Dietrich in my earlier list.
Karin
Austria also gave me my son-in-law!
Thank you Austria (Vienna).
Yes it is, bigvic. But I couldn't believe that a Hooters is right there near St. Stevens.
No fucking way!!!!!! Jeepers H. Chirstmas. Such a beautiful city to host such a stinking nightmare like Hooters. Did you visit the catacombs? Awesome.
Naah! You're just a hillbilliy like me. I was born in a place called Rohrau in the Burgenland.
Not only is there a Hooters near St. Stevens, but a MacDonalds right below the house where Strauss wrote his sappy waltzes!
And one puny statue of Beethoven in the whole city.
They're too crazy about Strauss and his sappy music.
But I did see the house where Wolfgang wrote the "Marriage of Figaro."
Well, I don't like those damn Austrians. They were a bunch of prudes who condemmned my vagina paintings!
Prior, you would love the Heurigen
(outdoor wine-drinking establishments) and the pastry and the beautiful blue Danube(well, more gray than blue).
Ich liebe Wien
have been there half a dozen times...
one thing about it: you get to see how scale dominates...
the kunst-historisches musee (my favorite place except the Riesenrad in the praterbahn) is lodged in a huge, lavish, imposing, old Hohehzollern/Hapsburg edifice, on a promenade dominated by other immense stone structures, each as majestic (and intimidating) as the next and the last...
human scale flat disappears, is all i'm sayin'
i am also extremely fond of salzburg and munich...
Danube(well, more gray than blue).
Karin
I thought it was more brown than blue.
"...when I drank enough I could speak German to them..."
--Prior Aelred
Oh, how funny. My mom spoke only German until she started the first grade. Both sets of my grandparents immigrated Luxemborg and Germany.
Insult my country and I will turn your state of being into mere subsistence!
Austria also gave me my son-in-law!
Awwwwww! How sweet. I have fond memories of backpacking accross Europe as a college student. I spent a good deal of time in Austria because some of it's fine citizens took me under their wing and offered me a place to stay. Excellent hosts, they were.
still waiting for the cats
They're too crazy about Strauss and his sappy music.
Maybe it's genetic but I love his sappy music, and Lehar's too.
Why ARE more black people in Jail per cap?
Why are More Spanish dudes in NM in a gang?
The white mans foot?
Really?
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agave
still here? butter beans are dried limas. cooked with ham & butter.
Maybe it's genetic but I love his sappy music, and Lehar's too.
Karin
And I've been known to solo waltz around the house to those sappy waltzes. But I prefer Wolfie over anyone. Well almost anyone.
/Hapsburg edifice, on a promenade dominated by other immense stone structures, each as majestic (and intimidating) as the next and the last...
Word! So beautiful, white polished stone and so EVIL!!!!!
preznitwit
All I can think of when seeing that picture is that two cats were playing chicken and neither flinched. The picture is the result of the collision.
Last time i was in Wien
i/we got to see a rehearsal/practice session of the Spanish Riding School...the Lippizaners...i'd seen 'em in performance, but from the very edge of the arena, which is ancient in its own right was pretty amazing...you hear the horses' explosive grunts of breath, hear and feel the ground when they landed these wondrously athletic arabesques...
I shoulda been an Autrian, but they made me be an Italian instead!
I will deflect any poker waved at me or my native land.
Wien, Wien, nur du allein
Sollst stets die Stadt meiner Träume sein!
still waiting for the cats
preznitwit
OMFG! What IS that thing?
And Woody, that entire area where they have the stables for the Spanish Riding School is amazing. I stayed with friends a few blocks from there.
agave
still here? butter beans are dried limas. cooked with ham & butter.
1Watt
Melissa is a bean freak.
I'll make it for her.
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Austria also gave us Billy Wilder
Forgives a multitude of sins right there.
Just for the record (from way upthread) it was East Tennessee that was pro-Union, or at least not-at-all-Secessionist, during the Civil War, not West.
I live in West Tennessee, alas. (Yeah, nobody held a gun to my head to move here, it seemed like a good idea for several reasons at the time--but..well...not so much anymore, and now too damn poor to do anything about it.)
Tony Horwitz has an excellent discussion of the topic--including how the Lost Cause postwar Confederate-apologetic mythos has infested people's minds to the point where they have completely forgotten what really happened--in the later parts of Confederates in the Attic, which is still quite worth a read even now, ten years after publication.
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